WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:08.680 >> Good evening, and welcome to the Indian Depth Traffic Safety Commission. 00:00:08.680 --> 00:00:16.280 It is Monday, the 3rd, 2019. 00:00:16.280 --> 00:00:25.760 We have a quorum at 5.30, and we'll get started. 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:37.400 So, has everyone had an opportunity to read the minutes? 00:00:37.400 --> 00:00:39.600 >> I got a correction. 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:40.600 >> Okay. 00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:41.600 We have one correction. 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:42.600 >> I wasn't here. 00:00:42.600 --> 00:00:45.400 And it says I was. 00:00:45.400 --> 00:00:48.600 I don't know what that says about me, but. 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:49.600 >> We felt your presence. 00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:51.600 >> My second miss in four years. 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:52.600 >> Okay. 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:53.600 Okay. 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:54.600 >> And it was excused. 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:55.600 >> Okay. 00:00:55.600 --> 00:00:56.600 >> Okay. 00:00:56.600 --> 00:01:06.080 So we have an amendment to the April 1st minutes taking Jim off as attendance. 00:01:06.080 --> 00:01:07.080 Any other corrections? 00:01:07.080 --> 00:01:10.800 >> I make a motion we accept with the corrections. 00:01:10.800 --> 00:01:11.800 >> Okay. 00:01:11.800 --> 00:01:12.800 Do I have a second? 00:01:12.800 --> 00:01:13.800 >> I second. 00:01:13.800 --> 00:01:14.800 >> Okay. 00:01:14.800 --> 00:01:15.800 And everyone in favor? 00:01:15.800 --> 00:01:16.800 Aye. 00:01:16.800 --> 00:01:17.800 >> Aye. 00:01:17.800 --> 00:01:18.800 >> Okay. 00:01:18.800 --> 00:01:19.800 Opposed? 00:01:19.800 --> 00:01:20.800 Okay. 00:01:20.800 --> 00:01:21.800 Passes unanimously. 00:01:21.800 --> 00:01:31.940 1B, which is TSC 19-024, which is to receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff 00:01:31.940 --> 00:01:38.000 direction regarding bicycle and pedestrian crossings of US 380. 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:39.000 Thank you. 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:40.000 >> Good evening. 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:41.000 Mark Alton, bicycle and pedestrian coordinator. 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:48.840 I'm going to talk about a number of different crossings on US 380, specifically 10 crossings 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:56.320 in the center of town, sort of within the beltway, if you will, and I'm going to quickly 00:01:56.320 --> 00:01:59.680 discuss them from west to east. 00:01:59.680 --> 00:02:08.560 I believe two months ago I spoke about 35 and how it can sometimes function as a barrier 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:14.160 within town, and it is true that university can also sometimes function as that, although 00:02:14.160 --> 00:02:20.760 because we have the traffic lights along the way, and it has more crossings, it is a little 00:02:20.760 --> 00:02:23.200 more accessible, but I'm going to talk about each of these. 00:02:23.200 --> 00:02:26.400 So here's a list of each of the intersections. 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:28.360 We'll start with town center trail. 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:32.240 This is in one of the recently developed areas. 00:02:32.240 --> 00:02:38.080 It has really good sidewalk, ramp, crosswalk infrastructure. 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:43.560 Really my only complaint about this is the huge distances that you have to cross. 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:51.160 We're talking 120 to 140 feet, so at distances like that you might look at putting medians 00:02:51.160 --> 00:02:57.460 or something in the middle so that people don't get caught partly through the intersection. 00:02:57.460 --> 00:02:59.920 Next is Bonnie Bray. 00:02:59.920 --> 00:03:05.760 This one also has some pretty good infrastructure, and generally as we go west to east, we have 00:03:05.760 --> 00:03:13.400 better infrastructure to the west, and it gets less good as you go to the east. 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:21.360 So Bonnie Bray has ped heads, push buttons, crosswalks, and Bonnie Bray, as part of its 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:28.680 project, a text up project to upgrade it, will be receiving a 10-foot path adjacent 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:35.840 to it, which will further improve not just the specific crossing, but the through travel 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:40.400 from areas south of university to areas north of university, because that's a part of this 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:46.480 too, whether or not you can cross safely once you get to the far side, can you then continue 00:03:46.480 --> 00:03:47.480 on? 00:03:47.480 --> 00:03:53.080 So that's also a consideration here, and that will be coming in phases. 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:59.160 Malone Street, we just, in the last year, we finished the bike lanes on the south side. 00:03:59.160 --> 00:04:04.240 We moved that to two lanes with a center median for turns. 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:09.300 This also has good pedestrian infrastructure specifically in the intersection, though here 00:04:09.300 --> 00:04:15.020 is an example of, if you look to the north, there are not sidewalks on that west side 00:04:15.020 --> 00:04:16.320 that continue to the north. 00:04:16.320 --> 00:04:18.800 We do have them on the east side. 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:24.600 We've also looked at continuing the bike lanes to the north, but we just don't have the right 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:30.760 of way width currently to do that, but on the south, those lanes connect all the way 00:04:30.760 --> 00:04:33.600 to the campus, which is a great thing. 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:39.960 Moving on to Fulton, and again, here to the north, our sidewalk infrastructure really 00:04:39.960 --> 00:04:40.960 disappears. 00:04:40.960 --> 00:04:47.960 We only have two out of a possible four crosswalks, so you can cross in both an east-west and 00:04:47.960 --> 00:04:53.200 north-south direction, although depending where you're coming from, you, for instance, 00:04:53.200 --> 00:04:56.360 if you're at that northeast corner, you would be stranded. 00:04:56.360 --> 00:05:02.080 There's not a way to come from there, and we've received some communications about this. 00:05:02.080 --> 00:05:08.020 One thing to keep in mind, too, is we don't have full control of this. 00:05:08.020 --> 00:05:13.200 TxDOT has jurisdiction there, and so we do have to work through them. 00:05:13.200 --> 00:05:16.120 Let's see what we have next. 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:17.240 On to Alice. 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:22.040 This is another example of a partial intersection. 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:27.040 We've received some specific complaints about this northeast corner specifically, because 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:31.780 if you cross that, say if you're in a mobility device or something, there is not an accessible 00:05:31.780 --> 00:05:32.780 way. 00:05:32.780 --> 00:05:37.200 You get here, and then you're basically on an island currently, and that's some issues 00:05:37.200 --> 00:05:42.440 with right-of-way ownership and things like that, but we are looking at ways it can be 00:05:42.440 --> 00:05:44.320 updated. 00:05:44.320 --> 00:05:46.120 Carroll. 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:51.800 This one has good crossing infrastructure, but north and south of Carroll, getting to 00:05:51.800 --> 00:05:59.440 it on a bike at least, I would recommend against riding on Carroll as a cyclist in general. 00:05:59.440 --> 00:06:04.120 It's a high-speed, high-volume road, although you do have alternatives to the east and the 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:07.080 west, but the actual crossing is pretty good. 00:06:07.080 --> 00:06:14.120 We've got crosswalks in all four crossings, and ped head signals, and push buttons, and 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:15.120 so forth. 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:16.640 Elm and Locust. 00:06:16.640 --> 00:06:19.000 These are also pretty good. 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:24.240 If I had a wish list, I'd get some paint, get some money for crosswalk painting. 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:28.160 Just touch those up a little bit so they're a little more visible, but in general, these 00:06:28.160 --> 00:06:31.860 are pretty good north-south corridors, especially for cyclists. 00:06:31.860 --> 00:06:39.520 They don't have designated bike lanes, but the traffic volume is lower, certainly, than 00:06:39.520 --> 00:06:45.080 Carroll and slower, and they're definitely more friendly to bicycles. 00:06:45.080 --> 00:06:48.520 Let's see, any other points there? 00:06:48.520 --> 00:06:53.080 Yeah, so these are much better alternatives than Carroll. 00:06:53.080 --> 00:06:54.080 On to Bell. 00:06:54.080 --> 00:06:57.720 Bell's another example of one where south of the university, it's actually quite good. 00:06:57.720 --> 00:07:02.800 You've got great sidewalks, you've got great bike lanes there, going through the TWU campus. 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:08.000 Now, once you get to the north, the sidewalks do continue, but you lose your bike lanes. 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:13.420 It's a lower-volume, lower-speed road, though, but you don't have a lot of space. 00:07:13.420 --> 00:07:19.920 It's fairly narrow lanes, so if I had a wish list, that would be improved as well on the 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:24.440 north side, and I will mention, too, we're in the midst of, we've just kicked off our 00:07:24.440 --> 00:07:28.680 mobility plan, and so all of these things will be considered as part of that, and there 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:32.760 will be an update to the bicycle element to that plan. 00:07:32.760 --> 00:07:35.960 So we're going to be taking a closer look at many of these things. 00:07:35.960 --> 00:07:38.240 On to Riddell. 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:40.460 This one's missing. 00:07:40.460 --> 00:07:45.040 It's an awkward intersection with the strange angles. 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:50.880 You have that island there, and so if you got to the island, you can get to the ramp, 00:07:50.880 --> 00:07:52.360 but there's no continuation. 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:56.600 So this is another one, we're on the north side, we're missing some infrastructure, and 00:07:56.600 --> 00:08:02.040 to the south side, too, it's actually not very good. 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:04.360 It's not a high-speed road. 00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:12.280 Ideally, when TWU redevelops that golf course area, this can also be improved, because I 00:08:12.280 --> 00:08:19.760 think traffic in that area will certainly increase once that gets redeveloped. 00:08:19.760 --> 00:08:21.740 Nottingham. 00:08:21.740 --> 00:08:27.400 This is a low-volume road, and to the north, this goes into the neighborhood. 00:08:27.400 --> 00:08:33.360 You've got an elementary school just off of Nottingham to the north. 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:34.760 Lower volume. 00:08:34.760 --> 00:08:38.960 The actual crossing is substandard. 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:41.960 You're missing your crosswalk on the west side. 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:44.160 It's very faded on the east side. 00:08:44.160 --> 00:08:46.680 There are, though, push buttons and head heads. 00:08:46.680 --> 00:08:52.120 The sidewalk infrastructure, while we do have the ramps, they don't connect, especially 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:53.120 not on the north side. 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:56.360 Now, on the south side, you do have some connections. 00:08:56.360 --> 00:08:59.560 I think there's a school and a church down there. 00:08:59.560 --> 00:09:00.560 Onto Old North. 00:09:00.560 --> 00:09:03.280 This is the final one before we get to the east side. 00:09:03.280 --> 00:09:06.440 So the ramps are in place, but that's about it. 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:09.160 There are not connecting sidewalks in that area. 00:09:09.160 --> 00:09:18.360 There's only one marked crosswalk, three out of the four ped signals and ped heads are in place. 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:23.760 To the north, I'd say Old North is quite a bicycle-friendly road. 00:09:23.760 --> 00:09:32.920 It has a line delineating a space next to the curb, which it's not specifically called 00:09:32.920 --> 00:09:34.360 out as a bike lane. 00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:39.480 So sometimes cars park there, but also a lot of the time, cars are not parked there and 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:41.640 it can be used as a bike lane. 00:09:41.640 --> 00:09:43.800 That's also fairly low volume. 00:09:43.800 --> 00:09:49.960 Now on the south side, you've got a tighter road and faster traffic going between University 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:52.080 and Mingo down there. 00:09:52.080 --> 00:10:00.320 So again, if I had my magic wish box, I would widen the right-of-way there, widen the road 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:07.480 to get some space for bicyclists to travel through there and there is no sidewalk there. 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:12.400 So that's a brief summary of what the situation is currently. 00:10:12.400 --> 00:10:18.920 The mobility plan is underway and we will be looking further into a lot of these things 00:10:18.920 --> 00:10:25.800 in specific locations where improvements can be made so that we can program future projects. 00:10:25.800 --> 00:10:27.600 So that concludes my presentation. 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:31.460 I'm happy to answer any questions. 00:10:31.460 --> 00:10:36.460 I have a question. 00:10:36.460 --> 00:10:44.360 I have a question as a bicyclist, and I've read many of these, but not all of them. 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:48.840 Because we go as a group, sometimes what we have to do is we have to push the button to 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:56.480 get across because you don't have very many -- when the light changes, it's really geared 00:10:56.480 --> 00:11:02.280 towards cars, and so when you go across as a bicycle, you really have to book it to get 00:11:02.280 --> 00:11:07.600 across in order to make it before the light turns. 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:11.760 So sometimes what we do is we'll -- if there's a push button, we'll try and hit the push 00:11:11.760 --> 00:11:15.520 button, but sometimes that's an issue, too, because if you move up and you move over to 00:11:15.520 --> 00:11:19.640 push the button, then the car behind you will move up and then you no longer have your place 00:11:19.640 --> 00:11:22.620 in line to get ahead. 00:11:22.620 --> 00:11:27.080 Is there -- I'm looking for a solution to that. 00:11:27.080 --> 00:11:30.800 Is there a way to get a button that's closer, or, you know -- 00:11:30.800 --> 00:11:35.840 Well, I think a lot of our signals are tripped by loops, which is like an electromagnetic 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:40.600 thing, and bikes don't really have the mass to trip that. 00:11:40.600 --> 00:11:44.200 Now, there are some newer ones, I understand, that are like lasers or something. 00:11:44.200 --> 00:11:46.600 I think Todd can enlighten us. 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:52.680 So we are converting a lot of our older signals to video and radar detection. 00:11:52.680 --> 00:11:57.000 I think that exists there, but that's still a little -- and Brian could probably speak 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:58.000 to some of this as well. 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:02.800 It's a little harder even then to pick up the cyclists unless they're in mass. 00:12:02.800 --> 00:12:07.440 So we can look at some alternatives, and Brian, you may know of some alternatives to look 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:08.440 into. 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:09.440 All right. 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:10.440 I'm going to try this. 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:11.440 Okay. 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:15.760 So there is technology out there to detect cyclists specifically, and a lot of that is 00:12:15.760 --> 00:12:19.720 key to having the bike box at the front. 00:12:19.720 --> 00:12:25.080 So you know where to look to extend -- there's a lot of different ways you can do that. 00:12:25.080 --> 00:12:30.840 If there's a cyclist in the bike box, then you can actually extend the green so that 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:35.000 it provides that time that you're needing to get across, more like a pedestrian or somewhere 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:38.080 between a pedestrian and an auto. 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:42.920 To answer your first question, is there -- yes, there are some opportunities that we have. 00:12:42.920 --> 00:12:47.520 In fact, there are some obligations that we have on a lot of our signals, and I'm new, 00:12:47.520 --> 00:12:54.560 so I'm assuming that -- I come from Fort Worth, so their signals probably are similar to yours, 00:12:54.560 --> 00:12:58.360 and some of them are not to current standards where the push buttons have to be a certain 00:12:58.360 --> 00:12:59.360 distance from the ramp. 00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:00.360 Okay. 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:04.520 A lot of them are on the actual upright of the signal, and that really no longer satisfies 00:13:04.520 --> 00:13:05.520 the requirement. 00:13:05.520 --> 00:13:09.520 So there are some other techniques that we can put a little -- what we call a pedestal 00:13:09.520 --> 00:13:14.360 that's closer to, so you don't have to lose your place in line, but the bike detection, 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:19.000 which is what a lot of cities are moving towards, might be a better solution where you actually 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:24.680 paint the box -- you may have seen these -- the bike box, and so that that sensor knows 00:13:24.680 --> 00:13:28.700 where to look to see if there's a bike waiting in the queue. 00:13:28.700 --> 00:13:34.960 So that also assumes that the cyclist knows that that bike box is for them, and they need 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:40.760 to queue up in there to get detected, or it's going to detect the vehicles and not extend 00:13:40.760 --> 00:13:41.760 that green for the cycles. 00:13:41.760 --> 00:13:42.760 Got it. 00:13:42.760 --> 00:13:44.760 It's a little education on everyone's part. 00:13:44.760 --> 00:13:45.760 Yeah. 00:13:45.760 --> 00:13:51.040 But, I mean, it's a learning curve, but there are a couple of different ways we can address 00:13:51.040 --> 00:13:53.000 your issue with the crossing times. 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:54.000 Okay. 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:55.000 That'd be good. 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:56.000 Yeah. 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:57.000 Thank you. 00:13:57.000 --> 00:14:05.040 I'm glad you brought this up, because the last few times I've been on the university, 00:14:05.040 --> 00:14:13.360 I've noticed at Fulton, some people with carts and stuff heading eastbound, right where your 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:20.480 arrow is, and then they will cut, they will go down the ramp, and then they will -- exactly 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:27.560 what you're doing, except they will cross into traffic and go against traffic up there, 00:14:27.560 --> 00:14:31.520 and there's just potential for somebody getting there. 00:14:31.520 --> 00:14:32.520 Yeah. 00:14:32.520 --> 00:14:36.440 Because like when you do sidewalks and anywhere, you start looking for the travel patterns 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:42.480 and where where is where people are walking, and these people aren't going to normally, 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:48.040 and most of us aren't going to, bounce down, bounce over, and then bounce up a couple of 00:14:48.040 --> 00:14:49.040 blocks down. 00:14:49.040 --> 00:14:52.480 It's just not human nature to do that. 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:58.320 But I understand you have some of the problems with my property, but that's -- I've seen 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:06.760 at least two people pulling carts, going to front or whatever, having to do that. 00:15:06.760 --> 00:15:12.240 Both of these intersections, Fulton and Alice, we've had a lot of commentary recently, and 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:20.400 so they're rising to the top as far as priorities and finding solutions. 00:15:20.400 --> 00:15:21.400 Right. 00:15:21.400 --> 00:15:29.000 And on Riddell, because I ride my bike through Riddell quite often, I don't have that much 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:38.480 of a problem, but it is a weird angle of intersection as a driver and as a cyclist, because it's 00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:45.240 almost as -- it looks like it's longer to go across, but -- 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:50.680 Okay, there we go. 00:15:50.680 --> 00:15:52.680 Some better marking and all of that. 00:15:52.680 --> 00:15:55.560 The other problem is down Riddell. 00:15:55.560 --> 00:16:02.080 I don't believe there's sidewalk or usable sidewalk, and I see several people on motorized 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:08.960 wheelchairs and scooters going over Pertain. 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:26.400 I'm on the wrong road, that's -- okay, here we are, here we are. 00:16:26.400 --> 00:16:27.400 Yeah. 00:16:27.400 --> 00:16:28.400 It's spotty. 00:16:28.400 --> 00:16:29.400 It's spotty. 00:16:29.400 --> 00:16:35.960 If you go south a little bit, and keep going until we get to Mingo. 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:36.960 Okay, yeah. 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:41.240 And there -- I've seen a motorized wheelchair on Mingo, which is -- 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:42.240 Yes. 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:51.720 Okay, now if you go east a little bit to Pertain, okay, there's Pertain. 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:58.120 People are coming -- there's a nursing home or assisted living center down in Latimore, 00:16:58.120 --> 00:17:05.080 and people are coming down across Pertain, down Mingo and up Riddell, and I've seen 00:17:05.080 --> 00:17:09.800 at least two different people doing this. 00:17:09.800 --> 00:17:15.640 So some of those will be resolved when we take Riddell under construction. 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:21.520 As a capital project, Riddell and Mingo are both under study right now, traffic study, 00:17:21.520 --> 00:17:26.360 both for vehicles, peds, cyclists. 00:17:26.360 --> 00:17:32.240 And then in a future bond program, we would be realigning Riddell as a four-lane roadway 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:37.520 with a median and then sidewalks on both sides and the bicycle connectivity. 00:17:37.520 --> 00:17:42.200 It would also turn to where it's not skewed coming across Mingo. 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:49.920 So it would cross Mingo perpendicular, and then that would be the only crossing across 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:50.920 the railroad tracks. 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:56.040 Pertain, we would disconnect from the railroad, and so would Willis. 00:17:56.040 --> 00:18:01.440 So you'd have Riddell with sidewalks and full pedestrian accommodations there to make that 00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:02.440 move. 00:18:02.440 --> 00:18:08.880 It's just a matter of time getting the funding to make that happen. 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:12.720 In the interim, we can continue to work with TWU, see if maybe there's some other things 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:20.240 we could do in that spot as far as sidewalks and accommodations. 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:32.760 And if you go up to where Old North actually, Mockingbird, and yeah, Mockingbird, go, yeah, 00:18:32.760 --> 00:18:36.600 right there, that intersection, we may need to be careful with marking. 00:18:36.600 --> 00:18:37.600 Well, down below, Mingo and Mockingbird. 00:18:37.600 --> 00:18:38.600 Oh, that's funny. 00:18:38.600 --> 00:18:39.600 Oh, that's about the weirdest intersection. 00:18:39.600 --> 00:18:41.600 Because that's a funny intersection. 00:18:41.600 --> 00:18:42.600 Yeah. 00:18:42.600 --> 00:18:46.560 Well, that's also part of that Mingo Road project. 00:18:46.560 --> 00:18:47.560 Right. 00:18:47.560 --> 00:18:52.320 So Mingo and Riddell is one project, and Mingo will come all the way down to the crossing 00:18:52.320 --> 00:18:54.760 under the University Drive. 00:18:54.760 --> 00:19:02.800 Yeah, we have to stop talking about Mingo. 00:19:02.800 --> 00:19:08.520 So I always have a concern about the 380 and Malone crossing. 00:19:08.520 --> 00:19:14.280 They're used to, of course, that is currently, and this may become a non-issue, but it's 00:19:14.280 --> 00:19:20.320 still going to take a couple years because Newton Razor is one block away, and it serves 00:19:20.320 --> 00:19:23.840 all of the children in the neighborhood to the north of 380. 00:19:23.840 --> 00:19:30.120 Now, Newton Razor is going to, within five years, four or five years, move over to where 00:19:30.120 --> 00:19:32.160 Denton High is. 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:36.420 So that's going to, their baseball field is going to become Newton Razor. 00:19:36.420 --> 00:19:41.680 So that's going to create a whole new, you know, kiddie traffic pattern. 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:50.480 And that's why there used to be a Refuge Island on Malone, and I have a continued concern 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:55.400 about that because we're still going to have, no matter where Newton Razor is, we're still 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:59.460 going to have children needing to cross University. 00:19:59.460 --> 00:20:05.480 And I believe we have crossing guards up there, but you still, that's a lot of space. 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:07.480 It's a long way. 00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:08.480 Yeah. 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:15.760 We've got about 100 feet. 00:20:15.760 --> 00:20:20.480 So I don't know what will be eventually when Razor is moved. 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:30.440 That might still be the path that those students take because it will either be Malone or it'll 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:32.520 be Fulton. 00:20:32.520 --> 00:20:41.160 So Fulton could get heavier foot traffic or they could continue up Malone. 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:52.400 So I guess I was going to feel, like, would it ever feel safer to their parents? 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:57.200 Yes. 00:20:57.200 --> 00:21:02.760 Our job is to provide staff with direction, is what would we like to direct? 00:21:02.760 --> 00:21:07.080 We've made some comments, some concerns. 00:21:07.080 --> 00:21:09.200 We don't need a recommendation, but we need -- 00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:12.840 Well, you provided some good input. 00:21:12.840 --> 00:21:17.440 Yeah, the comments and the response. 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:18.840 This is in the works. 00:21:18.840 --> 00:21:24.920 Have you looked at NCTC when they open in the fall, if you need anything extra there? 00:21:24.920 --> 00:21:25.920 No. 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:31.360 But that's a good thing to look at, yeah. 00:21:31.360 --> 00:21:32.360 Okay. 00:21:32.360 --> 00:21:35.640 Does anybody have anything else then on item 1B? 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:37.200 Okay. 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:46.440 We'll move on to 1C, which is TSC 19-025, to receive a report about the planned roadway 00:21:46.440 --> 00:22:00.040 updates for Parkway Street, Oakland Street, from Carroll Boulevard to Withers. 00:22:00.040 --> 00:22:01.040 Good afternoon, everyone. 00:22:01.040 --> 00:22:02.040 My name is Pamela Muthal. 00:22:02.040 --> 00:22:05.280 I am a traffic engineer with the City of Denton. 00:22:05.280 --> 00:22:09.480 I will be presenting on this item in the following two. 00:22:09.480 --> 00:22:18.400 So this first item, staff wanted to provide the future plans for Parkway/Oakland from 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:24.260 Carroll all the way to Withers Street. 00:22:24.260 --> 00:22:27.440 So this is a two-part project. 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:34.320 The first part would be to conduct a traffic signal warrant analysis for Parkway at Elm 00:22:34.320 --> 00:22:39.240 Street, right here, and Parkway at Locust. 00:22:39.240 --> 00:22:44.920 So we believe the volumes have tremendously have gone down along Parkway since signals 00:22:44.920 --> 00:22:48.340 were installed in 1983. 00:22:48.340 --> 00:22:50.800 So we have the collected volumes. 00:22:50.800 --> 00:22:58.440 We just need to actually conduct a study, and if they do not warrant any more, we will 00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:02.720 submit the report to TechStat for review and approval. 00:23:02.720 --> 00:23:09.560 And then the second part, after we conduct the traffic signal warrant analysis, we will 00:23:09.560 --> 00:23:16.800 update the cross-section, or we're proposing to update the cross-section from the current 00:23:16.800 --> 00:23:23.840 configuration of four lanes undivided to provide one lane on each direction with a center turn 00:23:23.840 --> 00:23:27.240 lane and a bike lane on each side. 00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:33.780 We feel this is ideal for the area it's located, for Parkway and Oakland. 00:23:33.780 --> 00:23:45.840 There's the library, it's primarily residential, and that's all I have for this item. 00:23:45.840 --> 00:23:46.840 Any questions? 00:23:46.840 --> 00:23:48.840 What is the timeline for that? 00:23:48.840 --> 00:23:52.840 Do you have a proposed timeline? 00:23:52.840 --> 00:24:00.140 So the warrant analysis, we will get it done soon, maybe a week or two. 00:24:00.140 --> 00:24:05.260 We'll see what the results show, and then I will submit it to TechStat. 00:24:05.260 --> 00:24:10.760 We believe once that is approved and gone through TechStat, it'll take about four to 00:24:10.760 --> 00:24:17.800 six months to do the work on Parkway and Oakland. 00:24:17.800 --> 00:24:22.600 So if that does not warrant, what will happen is these two intersections will become two 00:24:22.600 --> 00:24:27.980 way stop control, so Parkway will be stopped. 00:24:27.980 --> 00:24:35.400 There will be plans to put the signals on flash and get the motorist in the area, citizens 00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:42.840 used to having to stop at the intersection before we completely remove the signals. 00:24:42.840 --> 00:24:43.840 I have a question. 00:24:43.840 --> 00:24:44.840 Yes. 00:24:44.840 --> 00:24:47.280 So you're going, can we go to Withers? 00:24:47.280 --> 00:24:51.200 So you're going up to Withers, right? 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:53.460 And then it stops there. 00:24:53.460 --> 00:25:04.040 So above that, then there wouldn't be a bike lane, right, past Withers? 00:25:04.040 --> 00:25:08.240 Is the road, I guess, not as wide and it doesn't accommodate it? 00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:09.920 Is that why? 00:25:09.920 --> 00:25:11.960 Maybe. 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:15.880 I think you're probably right. 00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:16.880 It is fairly narrow. 00:25:16.880 --> 00:25:21.400 Yeah, it looks, it definitely looks more narrow because it doesn't have that turn lane. 00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:32.600 And then I don't know if this is a bike route, cannot tell, but you're probably correct. 00:25:32.600 --> 00:25:37.300 Not too positive on that. 00:25:37.300 --> 00:25:43.920 Because I think it narrows and then it kind of widens out later again. 00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:55.840 I noticed that some work had been done on Oakland clearing out some of the brush across 00:25:55.840 --> 00:25:57.200 from the library. 00:25:57.200 --> 00:26:03.820 Yes, we received a citizen concern about this intersection, that it was hard to see the 00:26:03.820 --> 00:26:05.640 oncoming traffic. 00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:12.520 So we got with one of the staff members at the city and they were able to clear out a 00:26:12.520 --> 00:26:17.660 lot of that, the bushes and landscape. 00:26:17.660 --> 00:26:19.680 It greatly improved the sight line. 00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:20.680 Oh, great. 00:26:20.680 --> 00:26:21.680 Thank you. 00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:22.680 No problem. 00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:30.640 Okay, I have one card to speak on this item. 00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:31.640 Mary Anderson. 00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:32.640 Yes. 00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:33.640 Come on up. 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:38.640 State your name and address. 00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:44.400 Hi, Mary Anderson, I-24 West Oak. 00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:45.960 I work at TWU. 00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:46.960 I live on Oak. 00:26:46.960 --> 00:26:50.240 Guess what street I use every day to go to work and back? 00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:51.240 Parkway. 00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:55.440 Did I really understand that you want to take the lights out on Locust and Elm and put stop 00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:56.440 signs? 00:26:56.440 --> 00:26:57.440 Do you have any idea? 00:26:57.440 --> 00:27:00.920 I mean, I don't know when you're doing your traffic survey, but trust me, I'll never get 00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:01.920 to work. 00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:02.920 The students will never get to work. 00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:06.000 There will be more accidents and a lot of congestion. 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:09.680 It just is not well thought out. 00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:12.440 There's a lot of traffic around there and I want to thank you for clearing that brush 00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:16.680 out, by the way, because I figured the homeless were living in there because I drive by it 00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:19.520 every day, every day. 00:27:19.520 --> 00:27:22.600 You cannot take the stop lights out and the bikes will never get across because they can't 00:27:22.600 --> 00:27:28.140 go fast enough to beat the people coming down Locust. 00:27:28.140 --> 00:27:32.800 The dividend in Elm is the only thing that keeps that from being any faster. 00:27:32.800 --> 00:27:34.960 They hit it, and they have to slow down. 00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:38.000 But if you take out these lights, nobody's going to get to school on time. 00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:39.000 There's going to be more accidents. 00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:42.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no. 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:45.160 Please don't do that. 00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:46.160 Thank you. 00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:47.160 Okay. 00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:50.160 Does anybody have anything else? 00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:53.160 On this one? 00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:54.160 Okay. 00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:55.160 Thank you. 00:27:55.160 --> 00:28:00.720 Or did you have anything else to tell us? 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:01.720 No. 00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:02.720 Okay. 00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:12.480 All right, so that brings us to item 1D, TSC 19-026, which is to receive a report, hold 00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:17.880 a discussion, and make a recommendation to City Council for prohibiting on-street parking 00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:26.000 on the north side of Greg Street between Fulton and Denton Street. 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:35.080 Yes, so staff is recommending to restrict on-street parking on the north side of Greg 00:28:35.080 --> 00:28:39.600 Street from Fulton all the way to Denton Street. 00:28:39.600 --> 00:28:47.960 We've received several citizen concerns of the width and being able to safely maneuver 00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:59.000 over across Greg Street, and currently, the pavement width from Fulton to Amarillo is 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:01.080 26 feet wide. 00:29:01.080 --> 00:29:09.160 From Amarillo to Mounds is 25 feet, and from Mounds to Denton Street is 28 feet. 00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:16.600 So considering that a fire truck needs about 20 feet to maneuver through a road that only 00:29:16.600 --> 00:29:23.680 leaves 5 to 8 feet for parking, so that's primarily the reason why we would like to 00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:31.640 recommend restricting on-street parking on one side of Greg Street. 00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:39.960 I looked at this corridor, and I decided to recommend no parking on the north for several 00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:40.960 reasons. 00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:49.280 I believe there are more trash bins and larger trash bins that need to be picked up by the 00:29:49.280 --> 00:29:55.160 city trucks, so that should help out conduct the work. 00:29:55.160 --> 00:30:01.920 On the south side, it appears there's more parking spaces versus the north based on the 00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:09.320 driveway widths and the number of driveways in total along this corridor. 00:30:09.320 --> 00:30:16.400 And then, just from the aerial, it looks like the majority of people are parking on the 00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:23.280 south, and restricting the parking on the north will also help the visibility for all 00:30:23.280 --> 00:30:29.880 the residents and the driveways exiting and entering as there won't be an obstruction 00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:32.120 in front of them. 00:30:32.120 --> 00:30:37.720 So for those reasons, the city of Denton is recommending to restrict on-street parking 00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:40.920 on Greg from Fulton to Denton. 00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:49.360 That's all I have for this item. 00:30:49.360 --> 00:30:56.640 Looks like also restricting parking on the north side of Greg will potentially cut down 00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:00.280 then on people parking too close to the Amarillo intersection. 00:31:00.280 --> 00:31:01.280 Yes. 00:31:01.280 --> 00:31:03.280 That was another big factor. 00:31:03.280 --> 00:31:06.520 Yeah, that's just collateral damage right there. 00:31:06.520 --> 00:31:10.680 It could take, you know, minimize that. 00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:11.680 Exactly. 00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:12.680 Any questions? 00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:13.680 Seems reasonable to me. 00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:14.680 Okay. 00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:30.120 We have cards for people wishing to comment either by speaking or not. 00:31:30.120 --> 00:31:40.160 On top, I have Brian Morrison, 305 Mounts Avenue, who supports this recommendation. 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:44.160 Since Greg Street is so narrow, we've needed one-sided parking for some time. 00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:47.680 The north side is the correct side for no parking as there are many more driveways and 00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:49.400 intersections on that side. 00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:54.320 So Brian Morrison in support of the recommendation. 00:31:54.320 --> 00:31:57.360 Vicki Morrison also does not want to speak. 00:31:57.360 --> 00:32:02.480 Vicki Morrison, 305 Mounts Avenue, supports the recommendation. 00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:08.080 UNT students park on both sides of Greg Street, making it very difficult to go in and out 00:32:08.080 --> 00:32:09.080 of driveway. 00:32:09.080 --> 00:32:11.280 I live on the corner of Mounts and Greg. 00:32:11.280 --> 00:32:12.640 Driveway is on Greg Street. 00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:15.440 Greg Street is too narrow for more than one-sided parking. 00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:17.760 North side is best. 00:32:17.760 --> 00:32:22.920 And wishing to speak, Mary Anderson. 00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:48.880 I live here and I went to the big meeting they had on safety and traffic and everything 00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:51.000 and I'm so glad that people have started to respond to this. 00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:52.760 I want to thank everybody. 00:32:52.760 --> 00:32:55.880 It's very dangerous to go down Greg all together. 00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:58.760 I'm a little disappointed that you're going for the north side. 00:32:58.760 --> 00:33:03.080 I say this because my driveway is right here. 00:33:03.080 --> 00:33:04.200 I can't get out. 00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:08.480 I can't see because nobody parks far enough away from my driveway to get out. 00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:13.480 I commonly try to get cars towed because I can't get out of my driveway because I'm also 00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:18.320 very close to Amarillo and it doesn't seem to show here but in case you're in a mobility, 00:33:18.320 --> 00:33:20.560 the real trick is right here. 00:33:20.560 --> 00:33:25.520 That's usually garbage dumpster and well, that means everybody has to kind of go around. 00:33:25.520 --> 00:33:28.560 I think what you need to do is eliminate parking on this side. 00:33:28.560 --> 00:33:33.040 Already there is no parking in front of the school. 00:33:33.040 --> 00:33:38.680 I think if you eliminate it on this side, it would -- if you eliminate it over here, 00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:42.640 you're not eliminating that much and all the people that overpark here because they gave 00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:46.760 them all separate addresses, thank you very much, are all going to wind up blocking my 00:33:46.760 --> 00:33:47.880 driveway anyway. 00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:52.520 So unless you're willing to put the right markers on there and enforce them because the 00:33:52.520 --> 00:33:57.160 real problem is I thank the policeman that comes by every time I see him for ticketing 00:33:57.160 --> 00:34:00.480 the cars that park right to here, right to here. 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:02.320 You cannot see to get in. 00:34:02.320 --> 00:34:06.680 I would much prefer to have no parking on the south side of the street. 00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:10.000 I 100% agree that you have to take it away. 00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:13.040 I really would like some parking but I don't know how you saw that other -- you know, I 00:34:13.040 --> 00:34:17.160 know that they say that you can't use the stickers and stuff and it wouldn't matter 00:34:17.160 --> 00:34:22.160 because the people here have about 10 cars all the time and in fact park right in front 00:34:22.160 --> 00:34:27.280 of my driveway all the time and they're -- because there are garbages on the way. 00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:31.480 So I would really prefer that you come up -- I mean, there's -- it turns out that most 00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:35.280 of these are students and yes, they have lots of cars but they are required by city code 00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:40.040 to have how many parking spaces for each address? 00:34:40.040 --> 00:34:41.120 There is a code for this, right? 00:34:41.120 --> 00:34:45.740 There's at least -- I think the answer is four spaces per residence to supply. 00:34:45.740 --> 00:34:49.720 So they should all -- each one of these should be able to park on their own street, in their 00:34:49.720 --> 00:34:51.920 own driveway. 00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:57.160 So the real reason is visibility getting out and being as they're not here and I am, I 00:34:57.160 --> 00:35:00.280 would prefer you to park them on because they don't care, clearly. 00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:02.160 You hung tags. 00:35:02.160 --> 00:35:04.520 Take it off for the south side. 00:35:04.520 --> 00:35:07.900 >> Thank you. 00:35:07.900 --> 00:35:16.520 We also have Donna Morris speaking on this item. 00:35:16.520 --> 00:35:31.000 >> Hello, I'm Donna Morris, 918 West Oak, right next door to Mary. 00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:35.480 First of all, I want to thank you all so much for doing this. 00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:42.680 Also from your picture, school wasn't in session when you took this, was it? 00:35:42.680 --> 00:35:47.600 When school's in session, there are no parking spaces, period. 00:35:47.600 --> 00:35:53.040 A couple things I would like to ask. 00:35:53.040 --> 00:35:58.840 When you make your no parking on one side and parking on the other side, are you going 00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:06.240 to mark off the parking spaces like you did on Oak Street so that this many cars -- you 00:36:06.240 --> 00:36:15.660 know, the cars aren't parking up to the edge of the driveways, that that parking thing 00:36:15.660 --> 00:36:21.280 comes -- because we have a big problem with somebody. 00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:33.160 We have our garages comes out onto Greg Street and it's a two-car wide driveway and half 00:36:33.160 --> 00:36:39.480 of car is on each side of the driveway hanging over. 00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:44.960 So please mark them well that they're off. 00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:50.640 Also, don't even consider a bicycle laying there. 00:36:50.640 --> 00:36:54.180 [ Laughter ] 00:36:54.180 --> 00:37:01.400 We have for years said you couldn't get a fire truck down there on garbage days. 00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:07.280 I don't know how they do it with those garbage trucks. 00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:08.640 It's horrible. 00:37:08.640 --> 00:37:13.400 I am so glad you are making it no parking on one side. 00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:17.640 I'm not going to argue this side or that side if you're going to put that parking on my 00:37:17.640 --> 00:37:25.180 side, make sure that it's marked that people aren't still parking in my driveway. 00:37:25.180 --> 00:37:31.480 And thank you, and will you be out tomorrow morning to do this? 00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:33.500 [ Laughter ] 00:37:33.500 --> 00:37:38.500 Thank you. 00:37:38.500 --> 00:37:58.360 One thing I forgot to mention is if you leave southside parking, we already lost our front 00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:02.560 yard and now we're not going to be able to get to our backyard because of the people 00:38:02.560 --> 00:38:03.560 that park badly. 00:38:03.560 --> 00:38:09.800 We're not going to be able to get to our backyard because of the people that park badly. 00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:19.420 We're not going to be able to get to our backyard because of the people that park badly. 00:38:19.420 --> 00:38:27.000 We're not going to be able to get to our backyard because of the people that park badly. 00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:39.240 On Oak Street, maybe a good solution for Greg, something. 00:38:39.240 --> 00:38:50.880 And I have one more card, Bob Crouch, who also wishes to speak. 00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:58.840 My name is Bob Crouch and I own the properties at 912 and 912 and a half Greg and the house 00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:05.520 that faces the corner of Greg and Amarillo and thank you very much for bringing this 00:39:05.520 --> 00:39:06.520 project up. 00:39:06.520 --> 00:39:13.000 I've talked to the fire department and the police department for some 25 to 30 years 00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:17.520 and this is the finally we're getting to it. 00:39:17.520 --> 00:39:24.420 I would definitely support the no parking on the north side of the street and there's 00:39:24.420 --> 00:39:29.440 driveways on all the houses facing Greg. 00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:33.880 Their driveways are blocked a lot of the times. 00:39:33.880 --> 00:39:42.000 Fortunately, my two car driveway, the duplex on Greg, I don't have a problem with but as 00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:51.040 far as the trash is concerned we have a major problem and I cannot even imagine how a trashman 00:39:51.040 --> 00:39:55.360 can get that truck down there but they do. 00:39:55.360 --> 00:40:02.000 Be glad to answer any questions. 00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:03.000 Thank you. 00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:10.480 Thank you very much. 00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:16.580 We are needing to make a recommendation to city council. 00:40:16.580 --> 00:40:17.580 So I have a question. 00:40:17.580 --> 00:40:22.160 Can we go back down to that side? 00:40:22.160 --> 00:40:29.400 So, so they're talking about having it, your recommendation is on the south, right? 00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:31.040 No parking on the north. 00:40:31.040 --> 00:40:32.720 No parking on the north. 00:40:32.720 --> 00:40:33.720 Parking on the south. 00:40:33.720 --> 00:40:36.240 So north is up, south is down. 00:40:36.240 --> 00:40:37.240 Yes. 00:40:37.240 --> 00:40:38.240 Is that correct? 00:40:38.240 --> 00:40:39.240 Yes. 00:40:39.240 --> 00:40:50.200 So, so with this green space with right here without any houses there, could you just have 00:40:50.200 --> 00:40:55.800 like, I don't know, would that be more, could you have more parking just there and not on 00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:56.800 the other side? 00:40:56.800 --> 00:40:58.680 I mean, would that accommodate more people? 00:40:58.680 --> 00:41:01.840 I believe there's already a no parking restriction. 00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:06.120 I went into street view and didn't see any signs. 00:41:06.120 --> 00:41:11.040 So we just want to ensure with this, that it is no parking. 00:41:11.040 --> 00:41:12.560 I believe there already is. 00:41:12.560 --> 00:41:13.560 Oh, okay. 00:41:13.560 --> 00:41:14.560 All right. 00:41:14.560 --> 00:41:15.560 Yeah. 00:41:15.560 --> 00:41:21.920 And I think that that is part of the current bus path because that's the south side of 00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:22.920 Calhoun. 00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:23.920 Oh, okay. 00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:31.520 So I think that the pattern, I think that the bus pattern has traveled Gregg street. 00:41:31.520 --> 00:41:36.240 It travels Mounts, so I think that that's part of the reason that's already been. 00:41:36.240 --> 00:41:37.240 Okay. 00:41:37.240 --> 00:41:41.240 I didn't know if there was any way you could like do a little flip and... 00:41:41.240 --> 00:41:47.360 They come down to that and they don't go down Mounts because it's too narrow. 00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:53.040 The teams, the sports teams go down Mounts, the buses do. 00:41:53.040 --> 00:41:54.040 Yeah. 00:41:54.040 --> 00:41:55.040 Yeah. 00:41:55.040 --> 00:41:56.040 That's actually Mounts. 00:41:56.040 --> 00:41:57.040 Which is, yeah. 00:41:57.040 --> 00:42:05.560 Okay. 00:42:05.560 --> 00:42:06.560 Anybody... 00:42:06.560 --> 00:42:12.440 So the lesser of two evils is what we're going for here. 00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:13.800 Okay. 00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:15.400 Yeah. 00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:16.400 Okay. 00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:21.400 Anybody want to put forward a recommendation? 00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:43.440 Well, it doesn't seem to me like it's an easy solution, but I'm going to go with your recommendation. 00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:44.720 Okay. 00:42:44.720 --> 00:42:45.720 So we... 00:42:45.720 --> 00:42:46.720 Second. 00:42:46.720 --> 00:42:47.720 Okay. 00:42:47.720 --> 00:42:53.200 I understand the removal of prohibiting on-street parking on the north side of Gregg Street. 00:42:53.200 --> 00:42:55.240 We have a second. 00:42:55.240 --> 00:42:56.240 Everyone in favor? 00:42:56.240 --> 00:42:57.240 Aye. 00:42:57.240 --> 00:42:58.240 Aye. 00:42:58.240 --> 00:42:59.240 Aye. 00:42:59.240 --> 00:43:00.240 Opposed? 00:43:00.240 --> 00:43:01.240 Okay. 00:43:01.240 --> 00:43:02.240 That's it. 00:43:02.240 --> 00:43:03.240 So yes, take this recommendation to city council please. 00:43:03.240 --> 00:43:04.240 Thank you. 00:43:04.240 --> 00:43:05.240 All right. 00:43:05.240 --> 00:43:06.240 Thank you. 00:43:06.240 --> 00:43:07.240 Question. 00:43:07.240 --> 00:43:12.240 Do you need to put those parking blocks on that too? 00:43:12.240 --> 00:43:13.240 No. 00:43:13.240 --> 00:43:14.240 That would be separate. 00:43:14.240 --> 00:43:15.240 We would just work. 00:43:15.240 --> 00:43:16.240 Okay. 00:43:16.240 --> 00:43:17.240 Okay. 00:43:17.240 --> 00:43:18.240 Any other concerns could be noted. 00:43:18.240 --> 00:43:19.240 I noted. 00:43:19.240 --> 00:43:20.240 Yes. 00:43:20.240 --> 00:43:26.240 I made your recommendation which I like. 00:43:26.240 --> 00:43:27.880 Okay. 00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:35.840 That brings us to item 1E, TSC 19-027, which is to receive a report, hold a discussion, 00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:41.360 and make a recommendation to city council for prohibiting on-street parking on Jago Street 00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:45.840 at the northeast corner of Jago and West Oak. 00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:47.400 Yes. 00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:52.440 So this originated as a request from the police department. 00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:58.720 So this section of the road is about 25 feet long. 00:43:58.720 --> 00:44:06.040 And according to our chapter 18 code of ordinance for the city of Denton, you are not allowed 00:44:06.040 --> 00:44:14.040 to park within 30 feet of a controlled intersection and five feet from a driveway. 00:44:14.040 --> 00:44:16.680 So if you add that up, that's 35 feet. 00:44:16.680 --> 00:44:21.120 So this little area is restricted for parking. 00:44:21.120 --> 00:44:34.640 So basically, what we are recommending is to do something similar to Bradley Street 00:44:34.640 --> 00:44:41.120 and put the sign, no parking standing or stopping on pavement corner to here. 00:44:41.120 --> 00:44:52.520 Just to help the police department for enforcement, visibility, turning radius, you name it, safety. 00:44:52.520 --> 00:44:53.840 It's just this side of the intersection. 00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:55.840 It's really one parking spot. 00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:56.840 It's one parking spot. 00:44:56.840 --> 00:44:59.640 Or two if you really want to watch. 00:44:59.640 --> 00:45:07.000 And I didn't ask for the number of citations, but it was enough to where an officer brought 00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:13.240 this to my attention. 00:45:13.240 --> 00:45:16.240 And that's all I have for this item. 00:45:16.240 --> 00:45:17.240 Questions? 00:45:17.240 --> 00:45:25.960 I guess my question is, if it's already in the ordinance and no parking there, why do 00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:31.120 you have to ask permission for a sign? 00:45:31.120 --> 00:45:36.520 It seems like you should just put the ordinance is there. 00:45:36.520 --> 00:45:41.560 That is true. 00:45:41.560 --> 00:45:43.840 Did you hear from anybody? 00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:47.680 No, not for this one. 00:45:47.680 --> 00:45:56.280 Yes, and I did not receive any calls or objections. 00:45:56.280 --> 00:46:08.020 I have a question, what's the parking like on the other side? 00:46:08.020 --> 00:46:10.760 On the other side? 00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:22.320 Well the others on Jago Street, that's a turn lane so no one can park here already. 00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:26.440 But someone's parking here and it's a bike route. 00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:30.680 It seems like it would just cause trouble for somebody to turn and suddenly there would 00:46:30.680 --> 00:46:31.680 be somebody there. 00:46:31.680 --> 00:46:32.680 Exactly. 00:46:32.680 --> 00:46:33.680 Looks easy. 00:46:33.680 --> 00:46:56.160 Okay, looks easy but we have to make a recommendation to City Council. 00:46:56.160 --> 00:46:59.840 And we've got a second, okay, everyone in favor, aye? 00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:00.840 Aye. 00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:01.840 Opposed? 00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:02.840 It's unanimous. 00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:03.840 Okay, we'll sign up. 00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:04.840 Thank you. 00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:06.600 Okay, thank you very much. 00:47:06.600 --> 00:47:15.200 Okay, that brings us to item 1F, which is TSC 19-028, these staff reports including 00:47:15.200 --> 00:47:16.640 the matrix. 00:47:16.640 --> 00:47:25.680 Hi, Todd Estes, City Engineer, Inflation Pre-TM-MUIC. 00:47:25.680 --> 00:47:31.400 So in several items on here, number one, the attendance message, we've included the attendance 00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:36.880 ordinance, or at least the information in your backup in regard to attendance on committees, 00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:38.640 boards and commissions. 00:47:38.640 --> 00:47:42.000 That information is there for you to review, there will be an item coming forward next 00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:46.960 month at the next meeting where that item will pertain to that discussion. 00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:54.960 So that's there for your review, we just ask that you please take a look at that item. 00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:59.080 As for the street construction report, we've included last week's street construction 00:47:59.080 --> 00:48:05.040 report, so you can see the closures in the backup, any questions on that item or any 00:48:05.040 --> 00:48:08.320 of the closures included in that item, we'd be glad to answer those if we can. 00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:09.320 I've got one. 00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:10.320 Yes, sir. 00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:15.120 Why did you have to extend another month on the EGLE, the one block on the EGLE? 00:48:15.120 --> 00:48:19.280 We ran into multiple utility conflicts out there that weren't known at the time when 00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:24.400 construction started, they were franchise utility issues, so we got those resolved and 00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:28.600 we'll be back on schedule as quickly as we can, but it did cause the construction delay 00:48:28.600 --> 00:48:35.980 to go a little bit longer. 00:48:35.980 --> 00:48:42.480 And then moving on to the matrix, we added, Mr. Rowan's comment earlier to the matrix, 00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:45.680 if there are any other items on the matrix, I don't have an update this week, we'll bring 00:48:45.680 --> 00:48:50.360 an update next month to those items, but if there's anything we need to add to the matrix, 00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:59.540 we'll be willing to add those items now. 00:48:59.540 --> 00:49:03.480 Usually we like to give pre-tem like 10 or 15 items apiece. 00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:12.000 And by we, since Brian asked, Brian Yon is our new city traffic engineer, so he will 00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:17.080 be taking over staff liaison duties, so when I say we, I really mean Brian. 00:49:17.080 --> 00:49:18.080 Really, yes. 00:49:18.080 --> 00:49:21.440 Yeah, we'll go easy on you this month. 00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:26.800 Save them up for July. 00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:33.920 If there's any questions, I'm about to answer them, but that's it for this month. 00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:34.920 Okay. 00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:35.920 Anything? 00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:36.920 Nothing. 00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:37.920 Okay. 00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:42.720 If we have nothing else, we are adjourned for the month. 00:49:42.720 --> 00:49:43.720 Okay. 00:49:43.720 --> 00:49:44.720 It's 6/20. 00:49:44.720 --> 00:49:54.720 [BLANK_AUDIO]