WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.360 Good afternoon and welcome to the special called meeting of the City of Denton Planning 00:00:06.360 --> 00:00:10.560 and Zoning Commission from Wednesday, May 29th. 00:00:10.560 --> 00:00:16.840 This is our work session and with the quorum present, I will call us to order. 00:00:16.840 --> 00:00:21.800 With this full agenda, I'm going to turn this over to Richard for a minute to discuss the 00:00:21.800 --> 00:00:24.520 format of tonight. 00:00:24.520 --> 00:00:26.680 Just wanted to provide a couple of clarifications. 00:00:26.680 --> 00:00:33.840 As noted on the agenda, item J has been postponed to June 26th. 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:36.360 So that item will not be heard. 00:00:36.360 --> 00:00:43.920 Item A, just before that, which involves area 8, we're going to be taking that out of order. 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:49.800 We're going to be hearing that right after item A and then we'll get into the hearings 00:00:49.800 --> 00:00:58.520 for the remainder B through Y, I believe, B through Y again with the exception of I 00:00:58.520 --> 00:01:06.960 and J. One thing that's a little bit different than other public hearings where we've had 00:01:06.960 --> 00:01:11.880 cases, again, this is a large amount of city initiated rezonings. 00:01:11.880 --> 00:01:19.520 There is the ability to open the public hearing for all of them and then vote one time if 00:01:19.520 --> 00:01:22.240 that's -- if everyone is in agreement. 00:01:22.240 --> 00:01:27.960 If there is some opposition or there's a concern about a particular area, certainly that item 00:01:27.960 --> 00:01:33.060 could be sort of pulled -- think of it similar to a consent agenda item. 00:01:33.060 --> 00:01:36.480 Again, that's up to the commission. 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:41.800 We were just trying to make it for ease sake to allow for that rather than have to call 00:01:41.800 --> 00:01:44.600 each one and take action on each individual. 00:01:44.600 --> 00:01:50.720 It could be done sort of on a wholesale -- on a wholesale basis. 00:01:50.720 --> 00:01:51.720 >> Commissioner Smith. 00:01:51.720 --> 00:01:52.720 >> Thank you. 00:01:52.720 --> 00:01:53.720 Thank you, Vice Chair. 00:01:53.720 --> 00:01:59.280 If there was, let's say, I don't know, where item D, there's a discrepancy on that or something 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:04.640 wanted to be voted on separately for acceptance, would it be a motion to approve all except 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:05.640 item D? 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:06.640 How would we go about doing that? 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:10.640 Would we just -- how would that motion look, I guess, or could we make a motion, say, accept 00:02:10.640 --> 00:02:15.920 all with item D having these changes made to it, I mean, I just -- direction from legal 00:02:15.920 --> 00:02:19.680 or Richard on how we should make motions if there are going to be changes and tweaks to 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:20.680 it? 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:21.680 >> Yeah. 00:02:21.680 --> 00:02:24.320 I think if you're at the point to make a motion to just pull whatever item that would need 00:02:24.320 --> 00:02:25.920 to be pulled to be heard separately. 00:02:25.920 --> 00:02:26.920 >> Okay. 00:02:26.920 --> 00:02:27.920 >> And deal with it. 00:02:27.920 --> 00:02:28.920 >> Mm-hmm. 00:02:28.920 --> 00:02:29.920 >> Okay. 00:02:29.920 --> 00:02:33.080 Or even possibly during a work session bring it up to where we just say, hey, it looks 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:37.360 like, yeah, we've had some pretty dark -- not dark discussions, that's wrong -- some pretty 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:44.180 deep discussions on a certain item, can we -- we will open a public hearing for A through 00:02:44.180 --> 00:02:50.160 B, A through C, and then E through Y, and then we'll go back to item D and have that 00:02:50.160 --> 00:02:51.840 public hearing be open or something like that. 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:53.000 >> Yeah, we could certainly do that. 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:54.000 >> Okay. 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:55.000 Got it. 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:56.000 Thank you. 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:57.000 >> Is everybody else okay with -- that way? 00:02:57.000 --> 00:02:58.000 Commissioner Pernod? 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:01.800 >> And I just have a question kind of along those lines. 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:07.080 So we will be establishing which ones we're voting on at the beginning of this session 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:08.080 or how? 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:12.200 I guess my concern is I want to ensure that, you know, we don't walk in there and wind 00:03:12.200 --> 00:03:19.800 up having a particular section have public pushback and then, you know, have that complicate 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:20.800 the vote. 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:26.440 So are we going to be deciding at the tail end, at the beginning, how are we determining 00:03:26.440 --> 00:03:28.280 which way we're voting these? 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:32.500 >> So the way we're -- the first way we're doing it is by pulling I out, we're actually 00:03:32.500 --> 00:03:37.880 voting on I separately because Jerry has to recuse himself and then he'll come back for 00:03:37.880 --> 00:03:39.520 the rest. 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:42.000 The rest -- the plan is to take them as a bulk. 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:47.240 Per staff, they have not gotten opposition to any of these. 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:51.120 Now that doesn't mean things, I guess, won't change when we get into chambers or around 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:53.020 here as our discussion. 00:03:53.020 --> 00:03:56.840 So right now the plan would be to vote on the rest of them as a block. 00:03:56.840 --> 00:04:04.920 But if we do need to alter that, pull something at that time, then we can do that accordingly. 00:04:04.920 --> 00:04:07.820 If you're comfortable with that. 00:04:07.820 --> 00:04:09.720 >> And even if there is opposition, we can certainly just -- 00:04:09.720 --> 00:04:10.720 >> Discuss it. 00:04:10.720 --> 00:04:11.720 >> Just discuss it. 00:04:11.720 --> 00:04:12.720 Yeah. 00:04:12.720 --> 00:04:13.720 And even pull that item. 00:04:13.720 --> 00:04:14.720 >> Pull it if we need to in postponement. 00:04:14.720 --> 00:04:16.480 Does that make sense? 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:17.480 Okay. 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:18.480 Okay. 00:04:18.480 --> 00:04:19.480 Thank you, Richard. 00:04:19.480 --> 00:04:27.120 So with that, we will move to our first agenda item, which is work session report. 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:28.120 Receive a report. 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:29.120 Hold a discussion. 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:34.080 Give staff direction on policy regarding motions made, the planning and zoning commission 00:04:34.080 --> 00:04:35.080 meetings. 00:04:35.080 --> 00:04:36.080 And Charlie. 00:04:36.080 --> 00:04:37.080 >> Good afternoon, commission. 00:04:37.080 --> 00:04:39.040 Charlie Rosendahl, business services manager. 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:41.560 I don't have a presentation for you today. 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:47.560 I just wanted to discuss with you all quickly and get some of your direction on when a motion 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:54.120 is made, whether -- what the default, if you will, should be, if that motion should include 00:04:54.120 --> 00:05:00.840 the staff recommendations, unless the motion specifically says otherwise. 00:05:00.840 --> 00:05:06.000 Or if you don't include the staff recommendations in that motion, if we should take it as you're 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:08.840 not including staff recommendations. 00:05:08.840 --> 00:05:10.560 Does that make sense? 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:11.560 >> Yes. 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:12.560 >> It does make sense. 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:17.920 I just want a commission direction on that. 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:24.000 >> Just one concern I have, as we talk about building heights, not exceeding two stories 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:29.880 on the square itself and no more than three stories on the mews, or whatever we call them, 00:05:29.880 --> 00:05:32.200 the back streets, MEWs. 00:05:32.200 --> 00:05:33.200 >> Okay. 00:05:33.200 --> 00:05:36.040 We're not -- that's not what we're discussing at the moment? 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:37.040 >> Okay. 00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:39.120 I thought we were into the design thing. 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:40.120 I was -- 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:41.120 >> No. 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:42.120 No. 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:43.120 I'm sorry. 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:44.120 >> Okay. 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:45.120 Commissioner Smith. 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:46.120 >> Okay. 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:48.840 >> Thank you, Vice Chair. 00:05:48.840 --> 00:05:53.880 I'd like to second Larry's idea, I'm just kidding. 00:05:53.880 --> 00:06:00.160 On the motions, I think that if we -- unless it's stated without staff recommendations 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:05.400 or unless it's stated with changes to staff recommendations, if it's a motion with recommendations 00:06:05.400 --> 00:06:10.480 or just a motion to approve, then that would mean a motion for approval with staff recommendations. 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:14.920 So I think that's the direction that I would say we should go, because I know it gets kind 00:06:14.920 --> 00:06:15.920 of confusing. 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:18.760 Sometimes we forget because we get it presented to us, like, yeah, that sounds good, so, yeah, 00:06:18.760 --> 00:06:23.800 unless it's explicitly stated, I think it would be with recommendations. 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:24.800 >> Commissioner St. John's? 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:25.800 >> Yeah. 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:26.800 I feel the same way. 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:32.120 I think when I read the recommendations or when I go through the paperwork, the motion 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:37.760 is to include those staff recommendations, so I assume that's what we're doing. 00:06:37.760 --> 00:06:44.280 And to reiterate as a separate item and say, okay, I make a motion to approve, and then 00:06:44.280 --> 00:06:50.720 also say with recommendations, it seems kind of redundant, because we're looking at the 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:54.320 staff recommendations, and that's included already. 00:06:54.320 --> 00:06:58.000 So that's the way I look at it. 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:03.400 >> And I guess -- and I'm good with that, too, as long as we make sure that staff recommendations 00:07:03.400 --> 00:07:13.080 are in the public meeting presentation, okay, because that -- I think that's really important. 00:07:13.080 --> 00:07:18.000 Everybody doesn't go through the backup like we do, even though they can access it online, 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:22.920 but what they do watch is the staff presentation, and so as long as I think we always have that 00:07:22.920 --> 00:07:28.440 slide that has what staff recommendations are, then I think I'm good with just -- Commissioner? 00:07:28.440 --> 00:07:30.240 >> Thank you, Vice Chair. 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:34.440 So I think with -- we had it a couple of weeks ago with one of the presentations, some of 00:07:34.440 --> 00:07:38.200 the staff recommendations weren't included in that presentation slide, so I think it's 00:07:38.200 --> 00:07:40.800 just going to be up to us as a discretion to maybe have to add it in. 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:43.320 We can be redundant if we need to, I guess, but -- 00:07:43.320 --> 00:07:45.940 >> Well, I don't mean us adding it in. 00:07:45.940 --> 00:07:46.940 This was more -- 00:07:46.940 --> 00:07:47.940 >> We'll make sure that those -- 00:07:47.940 --> 00:07:48.940 >> Right. 00:07:48.940 --> 00:07:53.680 This was the direction that staff should always include that in their presentation, so that 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:59.360 the public knows that when we make a vote, it's that presentation with those recommendations. 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:01.120 Does that make sense? 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:05.760 >> And I will let the Commission know that in the past, we have -- if there hasn't been 00:08:05.760 --> 00:08:10.400 discussion around the staff recommendations or anything to the contrary, and you know, 00:08:10.400 --> 00:08:15.480 it's late and a motion is made to approve, we have made that assumption that it's with 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:20.100 staff recommendations, so we just -- but as we're developing these policies for the Planning 00:08:20.100 --> 00:08:23.920 and Zoning Commission, we just wanted to make sure we discussed that with you guys and make 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:25.400 sure that's your preference as well. 00:08:25.400 --> 00:08:26.400 >> Right. 00:08:26.400 --> 00:08:32.240 And then if we don't agree with staff recommendations, we can pull whatever it is in the motion 00:08:32.240 --> 00:08:37.360 and state the motion to approve, vote, taking that out. 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:39.360 Does that make sense? 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:41.320 >> I agree. 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:45.080 If there's something that we don't agree with, I mean, we're going to discuss it, and I'm 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:49.560 sure that's -- then at that point, things change -- you know, then the recommendations 00:08:49.560 --> 00:08:50.960 -- it's going to change. 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:55.800 We're going to change the recommendations from the staff and see if we all approve of 00:08:55.800 --> 00:08:56.800 it. 00:08:56.800 --> 00:09:02.000 But I think there is -- 90% of what we've done in the past, I think we go with the staff 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:06.800 recommendations, but there has been issues in the past where, you know, we don't agree 00:09:06.800 --> 00:09:13.040 with particular recommendations, and we can make that change. 00:09:13.040 --> 00:09:17.400 And at that time, you're aware of it, because I think we make that recommendation. 00:09:17.400 --> 00:09:18.520 Would you make these changes? 00:09:18.520 --> 00:09:19.520 >> Yes, sir. 00:09:19.520 --> 00:09:20.520 >> Commissioner Beck. 00:09:20.520 --> 00:09:21.520 >> Thank you, Vice Chair. 00:09:21.520 --> 00:09:29.920 So I'm assuming if there are, say, three recommendations in there, and one of us sees a recommendation 00:09:29.920 --> 00:09:36.920 we like, we'll discuss that with the notion that at least the person who doesn't want 00:09:36.920 --> 00:09:42.720 to see that recommendation in there would motion to move to approve minus that. 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:46.600 So there would be that discussion before we got to that point, right? 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:47.600 >> Correct. 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:48.600 >> Right. 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:49.600 Thanks. 00:09:49.600 --> 00:09:50.600 >> Anybody else? 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:52.320 Charlie, did all that make sense? 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:53.320 >> Yep. 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:54.320 >> Okay. 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:55.320 Great. 00:09:55.320 --> 00:09:56.320 >> Thank you. 00:09:56.320 --> 00:09:57.320 >> Thank you. 00:09:57.320 --> 00:09:58.320 Okay. 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:04.600 I think we can move to item A, then, on our regular agenda, which is the Denton Square 00:10:04.600 --> 00:10:05.600 District. 00:10:05.600 --> 00:10:14.480 And I will call up Sean Jacobson for his presentation. 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:24.320 >> Good evening, Madam Chair and members of the commission. 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:29.320 My name is Sean Jacobson, assistant planner with the planning department, and I am honestly 00:10:29.320 --> 00:10:33.760 delighted to be here to bring before you at long last the Denton Square District standards 00:10:33.760 --> 00:10:36.680 and guidelines. 00:10:36.680 --> 00:10:40.560 As you all know, because we've come before you before, this all started with the tragic 00:10:40.560 --> 00:10:45.160 fire on the square, which highlighted the need we have for standards to protect the 00:10:45.160 --> 00:10:47.920 historic nature of our square. 00:10:47.920 --> 00:10:53.200 At that time, council directed us to, as quickly as possible, move forward with getting a district 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:55.200 and standards in place. 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:57.440 As you know, it took a little bit longer than we expected. 00:10:57.440 --> 00:11:00.200 It ended up being about an 18-month process. 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:03.880 But as a result, we've been able to have a very transparent process, and I believe what 00:11:03.880 --> 00:11:09.300 we've ended up with is truly an excellent ordinance to protect our square. 00:11:09.300 --> 00:11:14.600 So we began by doing research, looking at cities that we believe have done this well. 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:19.300 And we took that and distilled it into initial draft standards, which we actually have brought 00:11:19.300 --> 00:11:20.620 to you before. 00:11:20.620 --> 00:11:22.760 And from there, we went to our stakeholders. 00:11:22.760 --> 00:11:26.840 So we wanted to take this to business owners and property owners on the square, as well 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:30.680 as residents both from within the square and from around the city. 00:11:30.680 --> 00:11:32.320 We took that feedback. 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:37.440 We also came before you all, before the Historic Landmark Commission, and before city council 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:39.960 to get that feedback input. 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:43.080 And based on all of that, we revised the standards. 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:47.040 And the last time we went to council, they had just a few additional changes. 00:11:47.040 --> 00:11:50.480 For the most part, this document has stayed the same throughout the process. 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:54.000 But they did want an adjustment made to the review process so that they were taking that 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:56.080 review directly rather than going through a board. 00:11:56.080 --> 00:12:01.560 They also had some direction that we provide additional standards for murals on buildings 00:12:01.560 --> 00:12:05.780 fronting on the square, those facades that face the courthouse, as well as some better 00:12:05.780 --> 00:12:08.640 standards for temporary construction fencing. 00:12:08.640 --> 00:12:12.560 So we have included all of that per their direction. 00:12:12.560 --> 00:12:15.840 And we're coming to you tonight with all of that. 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:19.840 So as you can see here, this is the process that after talking with city council, receiving 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:24.080 their direction, we've come to where those general repairs, minor alterations would come 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:27.840 to staff where they could be approved or denied administratively. 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:31.360 And then a denial would then be able to be approved to city council. 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:37.320 All major projects, as well as murals, then would go to city council for approval or denial, 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:39.600 and they would be the final body. 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:45.200 This would not touch at all on interior change, exterior projects, as you can see. 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:51.080 We did notify extensively both property owners within the district, as well as within 200 00:12:51.080 --> 00:12:54.260 feet, and residents out to 500 feet. 00:12:54.260 --> 00:12:59.400 We received, and you have with you there, I just handed you the letters we received, 00:12:59.400 --> 00:13:04.680 in support, three letters from within the district, opposition, three letters from within 00:13:04.680 --> 00:13:07.800 the district, as well as one from within the 200 feet. 00:13:07.800 --> 00:13:10.680 I will say one of those property owners who is in objection went over and talked with 00:13:10.680 --> 00:13:12.720 him today, and he is no longer in objection. 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:15.120 He's comfortable with what we're proposing. 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:16.120 Sean? 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:17.120 Yes ma'am? 00:13:17.120 --> 00:13:20.160 Is that this person here that you gave us in opposition? 00:13:20.160 --> 00:13:21.160 Those are the letters they support. 00:13:21.160 --> 00:13:23.400 No, is that the gentleman you talked to, or no? 00:13:23.400 --> 00:13:26.040 One of the letters in opposition there is. 00:13:26.040 --> 00:13:27.560 Is the person you talked to? 00:13:27.560 --> 00:13:28.560 Yes. 00:13:28.560 --> 00:13:29.560 Yes. 00:13:29.560 --> 00:13:30.560 I want to say that was Danny. 00:13:30.560 --> 00:13:31.560 Danny? 00:13:31.560 --> 00:13:32.560 Yes. 00:13:32.560 --> 00:13:33.560 Yeah, he asked to be called, and you did, and he's... 00:13:33.560 --> 00:13:34.560 Okay. 00:13:34.560 --> 00:13:35.560 Yep. 00:13:35.560 --> 00:13:36.560 Went over. 00:13:36.560 --> 00:13:37.560 We just went over and chatted with him. 00:13:37.560 --> 00:13:38.560 Okay. 00:13:38.560 --> 00:13:39.560 And that was the case with a few others who didn't write in. 00:13:39.560 --> 00:13:40.560 They just wanted to talk, and so we went and talked, and they were comfortable. 00:13:40.560 --> 00:13:41.560 Understand. 00:13:41.560 --> 00:13:42.560 Yeah. 00:13:42.560 --> 00:13:43.560 Okay. 00:13:43.560 --> 00:13:46.680 And truly, we have received just overwhelming support when we've taken this to the public 00:13:46.680 --> 00:13:53.400 in many, many meetings, including the AIA Dallas, and the support has been overwhelming. 00:13:53.400 --> 00:13:57.300 So with that, I will stand for any questions you all have. 00:13:57.300 --> 00:13:58.800 Commissioner Beck. 00:13:58.800 --> 00:14:00.600 Thank you, Vice Chair. 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:06.800 On the height, I'm reading that we're limited to two stories on the square area itself, 00:14:06.800 --> 00:14:11.000 and up to three stories on the streets behind it. 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:12.000 Yes, sir. 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:13.000 Okay. 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:20.520 In the event that Wells Fargo decides to move out, what do we do with that building? 00:14:20.520 --> 00:14:23.160 Does it stay that way, or do we... 00:14:23.160 --> 00:14:29.880 If somebody comes in and wants to keep it at that height, are we stuck with that? 00:14:29.880 --> 00:14:34.480 There is nothing that would require them to lower the height of that building. 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:35.480 Okay. 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:37.840 They could if they wanted to. 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:38.840 If they wanted to. 00:14:38.840 --> 00:14:39.840 Right. 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:40.840 But, okay. 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:41.840 All right. 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:42.840 So it's going to stay five stories. 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:45.640 There's nothing in here that would require an existing building. 00:14:45.640 --> 00:14:47.080 It's for new buildings and new facilities. 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:48.080 Right. 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:51.800 If a new owner came in, though, the city wouldn't require it to... 00:14:51.800 --> 00:14:52.800 No. 00:14:52.800 --> 00:14:55.720 It's only for you if the owner is proposing to make an exterior change. 00:14:55.720 --> 00:14:56.720 Okay. 00:14:56.720 --> 00:14:58.760 Kind of like a non-conforming situation? 00:14:58.760 --> 00:14:59.760 Yes. 00:14:59.760 --> 00:15:00.760 Okay. 00:15:00.760 --> 00:15:01.760 Absolutely. 00:15:01.760 --> 00:15:02.760 Got you. 00:15:02.760 --> 00:15:03.760 Thanks. 00:15:03.760 --> 00:15:04.760 Yes, sir. 00:15:04.760 --> 00:15:05.760 Commissioner Burnetta? 00:15:05.760 --> 00:15:06.760 Yeah. 00:15:06.760 --> 00:15:13.960 So, on the facade standards, the first item is that existing unpainted brick and stone 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:15.360 facades must not be painted. 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:22.720 So for an example, like the newly redone Jupiter House, where the bricks are all black on the 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:28.640 outside, say someone wanted to change that in the future, would they be able to change 00:15:28.640 --> 00:15:33.120 the paint without issue? 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:35.800 Now that it has been painted, yes, they would. 00:15:35.800 --> 00:15:36.800 Okay. 00:15:36.800 --> 00:15:37.800 All right. 00:15:37.800 --> 00:15:38.800 If it's... 00:15:38.800 --> 00:15:40.960 So it's only for existing brick that is currently unpainted. 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:41.960 Okay. 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:44.120 So everything that's painted right now is grandfathered in? 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:45.120 Yes. 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:46.120 Okay. 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:47.120 All right. 00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:48.120 Thank you. 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:49.120 Thank you. 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:50.120 And I'm sorry. 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:51.120 I should have explained this. 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:52.120 I should have mentioned this. 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:56.800 We simply did some renumbering, Jerry and I did, and some adjustments to legal language 00:15:56.800 --> 00:15:57.800 on Friday. 00:15:57.800 --> 00:15:59.480 So I just wanted to make sure you had a copy of that. 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:04.600 All the changes are bolded and shown in blue. 00:16:04.600 --> 00:16:05.600 Commissioner Sanchez? 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:10.080 When I was looking through this under subject, and I was looking at it says the Denton Square 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:15.160 District generally bounded, it should be... 00:16:15.160 --> 00:16:20.080 To me, it's the Denton Square District is bounded by, and then name the streets. 00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:24.060 When you say generally, it kind of leaves it open. 00:16:24.060 --> 00:16:27.960 And I was just curious, is this the definition we use? 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:29.720 And then you go on to say... 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:35.200 And then it says in Denton, Texas, generally including all properties. 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:39.880 When you use the word generally before something, it kind of leaves it open to... 00:16:39.880 --> 00:16:41.540 It can be something else. 00:16:41.540 --> 00:16:47.240 But when we're defining what the Denton Square District is, it's this, this, and it's not 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:48.400 going to change. 00:16:48.400 --> 00:16:52.200 So I was just curious if it made any difference. 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:56.600 So that's for the AIS specifically, we use that language. 00:16:56.600 --> 00:17:00.560 For the ordinance itself, we will actually have incredibly detailed meets and bounds that 00:17:00.560 --> 00:17:03.440 will lay out exactly what property is affected. 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:04.440 Okay, okay, okay. 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:11.960 Well, that word just kind of stuck out to me as a generally. 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:12.960 Commissioner Smith? 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:13.960 Hey, Madam Ambassador. 00:17:13.960 --> 00:17:21.480 Sean, on the building facade height standards under the catastrophic loss, the item about 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:22.480 the building... 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:27.600 The reconstruction needs to be done within 12 months, it has to be done within 18 months. 00:17:27.600 --> 00:17:32.120 If those parameters aren't met, do they have to go through a traditional permitting process 00:17:32.120 --> 00:17:36.400 like they would with any of the other facade changes they want to make, if those timelines 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:37.400 aren't met? 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:41.920 If that timeline is not met, they would then have to follow the height standards that are 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:42.920 set. 00:17:42.920 --> 00:17:46.800 That's the state in which they can rebuild to their previous height. 00:17:46.800 --> 00:17:49.680 After that, then they would fall subject to the minimum and maximum. 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:55.120 So a one story building on the square within that, the district burns, they want to rebuild 00:17:55.120 --> 00:18:02.500 to one story, but because of whether insurance or something else wrong with it, they don't. 00:18:02.500 --> 00:18:06.720 They don't commence within 12 months, they're not finished within 18 months. 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:10.400 They would then have to build to two stories then. 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:11.400 That would be how we've written it. 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:16.920 However, we've also built in, I believe, a director, an addition there, to allow for 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:17.920 that. 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:18.920 An extension? 00:18:18.920 --> 00:18:19.920 Yes. 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:20.920 Okay. 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:21.920 So it's only an extension. 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:22.920 It's not a... 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:25.440 The standard cannot be... 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:29.520 There's nothing in here that says the standard doesn't have to be met in that city. 00:18:29.520 --> 00:18:30.520 There's nothing in there. 00:18:30.520 --> 00:18:34.720 However, I will say that we've designed this so that city council has the option, if they're 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:38.840 presented with the overall project, what they would look at is the intent and purpose of 00:18:38.840 --> 00:18:43.080 the district, and if what's being proposed, they believe that meets it, then they would 00:18:43.080 --> 00:18:46.240 be able to sidestep a particular standard and say, "You know what? 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:47.240 This is overall... 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:48.240 This is a great project. 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:49.240 This meets what we want here." 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:50.240 That would be an option. 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:51.240 Thank you, Sean. 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:52.240 Yes, sir. 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:53.240 Commissioner Sanchez. 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:54.240 And that was my... 00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:55.240 I was going to ask that question. 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:56.240 I mean, we've got... 00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:01.120 We set all these standards, but then city council can sidestep some of that stuff. 00:19:01.120 --> 00:19:09.920 If they see that it meets something that they approve of, they can go ahead and... 00:19:09.920 --> 00:19:15.520 We actually have a detailed list that provides an intent and purpose, and so we would have 00:19:15.520 --> 00:19:17.040 to actually meet that. 00:19:17.040 --> 00:19:19.560 They'd have to be able to say, "This is... 00:19:19.560 --> 00:19:25.400 We are not enforcing this particular standard rigidly because what is being proposed really 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:29.880 does meet, say, the intent of preserving the character of the square," because you might 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:35.480 be doing something that really fits historically, but it happens to not meet that particular 00:19:35.480 --> 00:19:36.480 standard perfectly. 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:37.480 Okay. 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:38.480 Okay. 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:39.480 That's what... 00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:40.480 Question. 00:19:40.480 --> 00:19:41.480 Richard? 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:45.920 We might want to clarify that it's not necessarily a sidestep. 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:46.920 Yes. 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:47.920 I'm sorry. 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:48.920 I misspoke there. 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:54.640 But it is an option for city council to say, "In most cases, this standard makes sense. 00:19:54.640 --> 00:20:00.280 In this case, what has been proposed is better than what would be required if they followed 00:20:00.280 --> 00:20:03.680 this precise." 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:08.000 And I might even add to that, that ultimately standards are standards, so there's guidelines, 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:13.680 and where there may be some ambiguity somewhere on some project, then they have that flexibility. 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:15.720 That's where that appeal process comes in. 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:20.760 But ultimately, there's a set of standards, and council's following that set of standards. 00:20:20.760 --> 00:20:21.760 Okay. 00:20:21.760 --> 00:20:27.280 I guess I have a question, I guess, on that same line. 00:20:27.280 --> 00:20:30.800 Are standards and guidelines included in this, and they're different? 00:20:30.800 --> 00:20:31.800 Yes. 00:20:31.800 --> 00:20:33.520 So what you handed us here are standards. 00:20:33.520 --> 00:20:38.200 So this generally is not deviated from, right? 00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:44.760 So what I noticed in the understanding the district document, which I believe is part 00:20:44.760 --> 00:20:50.140 of this entire process as well, right, this is something that the developer is going to 00:20:50.140 --> 00:20:51.140 read and... 00:20:51.140 --> 00:20:54.400 Yeah, it's provided to clarify what is in the ordinance itself. 00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:59.880 Yeah, because in there, it does state that city council will not deny a certificate of 00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:03.320 design if the project doesn't meet design guidelines. 00:21:03.320 --> 00:21:04.320 Yes, yes. 00:21:04.320 --> 00:21:05.320 Okay. 00:21:05.320 --> 00:21:07.480 But that is not talking about if it doesn't meet this. 00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:10.480 No, it is not. 00:21:10.480 --> 00:21:11.480 Okay. 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:12.480 Understood. 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:15.320 Anybody else have a question? 00:21:15.320 --> 00:21:16.320 No? 00:21:16.320 --> 00:21:18.480 Okay, then I have another one. 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:22.840 And this is probably just more idea for you guys. 00:21:22.840 --> 00:21:30.400 In here, you talk about encouraging the integration of art into public spaces and private spaces. 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:35.040 Have you brought this at all to the public art committee for any kind of discussion as 00:21:35.040 --> 00:21:41.360 far as maybe they can be involved with ideas that could make this even better? 00:21:41.360 --> 00:21:47.120 That is, I don't believe that is a body we've gone before yet with this time. 00:21:47.120 --> 00:21:49.360 So there's a little bigger picture at play here. 00:21:49.360 --> 00:21:51.720 This speaks specifically to the buildings. 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:56.920 We haven't gotten into those public spaces as of yet. 00:21:56.920 --> 00:22:01.640 So this is really just trying to preserve the character as a result of that loss and 00:22:01.640 --> 00:22:03.600 anything to the future. 00:22:03.600 --> 00:22:08.560 But we absolutely intend, and we've had some sidebar conversations on some other items 00:22:08.560 --> 00:22:13.680 with public art, and then we're going to continue as we move to create some other design standards 00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:15.520 in some other unique areas of downtown. 00:22:15.520 --> 00:22:20.840 Yeah, I think they would just be a great body to tap just for discussion purposes. 00:22:20.840 --> 00:22:26.440 So when you're talking with the developers in this area, it can be an idea that maybe 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:31.220 they gave you that says, "Hey, you might want to consider doing this to your building." 00:22:31.220 --> 00:22:35.840 Just basically as picking the brains of people who are on that committee. 00:22:35.840 --> 00:22:36.840 Great advice. 00:22:36.840 --> 00:22:37.840 Thank you. 00:22:37.840 --> 00:22:45.800 And then I just have one more question regarding ... where's my note? 00:22:45.800 --> 00:22:48.800 It talks about new signs in murals. 00:22:48.800 --> 00:22:54.560 HLC, I think, at one time was involved in mural decision in that. 00:22:54.560 --> 00:22:58.040 Is that going away and it would just be a council decision? 00:22:58.040 --> 00:23:03.680 Within the district, murals will be going directly to the city council per their direction. 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:05.680 Very good. 00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:06.680 Anybody else? 00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:07.680 Commissioner Cole. 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:08.680 Thank you, Chair. 00:23:08.680 --> 00:23:15.040 I was looking through ... I wonder if somebody wants to put a rooftop like LSA. 00:23:15.040 --> 00:23:19.520 Is that addressed at all, or would that be a director? 00:23:19.520 --> 00:23:24.440 That is a project that would definitely have to go to city council for them to assess that. 00:23:24.440 --> 00:23:25.440 Yes. 00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:26.680 Anybody else? 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:32.200 I think I've just ... Commissioner Pernado. 00:23:32.200 --> 00:23:35.160 And just to kind of piggyback off of what Commissioner Cole was saying. 00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:42.880 So if the maximum standard is three stories and they were to add a rooftop deck with, 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:50.560 say, a covering on that, would that technically be a fourth story then, or how would we break 00:23:50.560 --> 00:23:52.140 that down? 00:23:52.140 --> 00:23:56.560 It wouldn't be defined as a story, and again, then it would be really on the basis of really 00:23:56.560 --> 00:24:00.960 what that site design is and what that facade is going to look like. 00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:05.320 And I guess if I reference LSA, their roof is in the rear portion of that building, not 00:24:05.320 --> 00:24:07.280 the front of the building. 00:24:07.280 --> 00:24:08.280 Just as an example. 00:24:08.280 --> 00:24:09.280 Okay. 00:24:09.280 --> 00:24:16.520 Because I just wanted to say somebody had, on the top of the third story, grill in a 00:24:16.520 --> 00:24:21.760 large pergola or something like that, I just wanted to verify what that would be considered. 00:24:21.760 --> 00:24:27.760 And that's where the standards are very specific on the story, so story by definition versus 00:24:27.760 --> 00:24:32.280 then where it is, does it meet the intent of what those design standards are for and 00:24:32.280 --> 00:24:37.240 why it is that it goes before a body rather than just a person making that decision. 00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:41.840 So council ultimately would look at that elevation and say whether that meets the intent of the 00:24:41.840 --> 00:24:42.840 guidelines. 00:24:42.840 --> 00:24:46.400 So we have guidelines and standards, and then both of those work synonymous to make sure 00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:49.960 that we have a flexible document rather than being incredibly rigid. 00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:50.960 Okay. 00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:57.960 And then I guess, I don't know if my question, first of all, are you Richard or Scott, as 00:24:57.960 --> 00:24:58.960 far as the process of this. 00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:05.400 So this basically amends our current code and our new code, or the new adopted code 00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:09.200 has to, are we going to have another amendment to that, or? 00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:10.640 You would ask that question. 00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:11.880 Yes, I would. 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:18.760 So it is designed in such a way, and it's numbered to integrate into our freshly adopted 00:25:18.760 --> 00:25:19.760 code. 00:25:19.760 --> 00:25:20.760 Okay. 00:25:20.760 --> 00:25:23.080 If it's 19 DDC, this will walk right into it. 00:25:23.080 --> 00:25:24.080 Excellent. 00:25:24.080 --> 00:25:29.160 But because it is going to go in effect after passage, that it's got a numbering that's 00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:34.720 a little bit different, so it's a standalone code, but it's designed to go, to integrate 00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:36.280 immediately into the design. 00:25:36.280 --> 00:25:42.880 So with a positive adoption from council, does that take care of current and new code? 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:43.880 Correct. 00:25:43.880 --> 00:25:44.880 Yes. 00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:45.880 Okay. 00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:46.880 So we wouldn't need to have this discussion again, too? 00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:50.600 Our legal staff ensured that that's the process that we needed to go to just have an individual 00:25:50.600 --> 00:25:51.600 stand-alone code. 00:25:51.600 --> 00:25:52.600 Okay. 00:25:52.600 --> 00:25:53.600 Excellent. 00:25:53.600 --> 00:25:54.600 Okay. 00:25:54.600 --> 00:25:55.600 Commissioner Smith. 00:25:55.600 --> 00:25:57.880 Thank you, Vice Chair. 00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:02.000 On that, so you did say the numbering will make it where it fits into the codes. 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:06.560 I know that was an issue with why we needed the DDC update, was because there were code 00:26:06.560 --> 00:26:11.520 and design standards and guidelines that were kind of spread across multiple different areas, 00:26:11.520 --> 00:26:15.760 so just to clarify, you did say that it will be included in the DDC. 00:26:15.760 --> 00:26:17.520 It's numbered correctly where it will fit into there. 00:26:17.520 --> 00:26:20.440 It's where they could pick up the book and they could find it and hear it correctly. 00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:26.720 We had all hopes, as Sean had indicated, council had this as a priority for us to get completed. 00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:29.800 It was important for us to get to all the stakeholder groups and to get to the citizens 00:26:29.800 --> 00:26:33.960 and visitors, just so we had a good understanding of really all those stakeholders. 00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:40.440 And in doing that, prior to the adoption of the DDC, we intended on having that come before 00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:46.640 this body and city council to be adopted so it would be printed in that draft version 00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:48.260 that was approved. 00:26:48.260 --> 00:26:53.120 We didn't make that date, but all of the numbering and all of the references go specifically 00:26:53.120 --> 00:26:56.360 to where it is that they would fit, so there's no conflict. 00:26:56.360 --> 00:26:59.560 So we have a clean code once again instead of adding something. 00:26:59.560 --> 00:27:04.320 So there's not going to be a developer that needs to go reference another piece of code 00:27:04.320 --> 00:27:05.320 somewhere else? 00:27:05.320 --> 00:27:06.320 No. 00:27:06.320 --> 00:27:07.320 So they're looking to develop downstairs? 00:27:07.320 --> 00:27:08.320 No. 00:27:08.320 --> 00:27:09.320 Downtown. 00:27:09.320 --> 00:27:10.320 Geez, what's wrong with me today? 00:27:10.320 --> 00:27:11.320 Thank you. 00:27:11.320 --> 00:27:12.320 Appreciate it. 00:27:12.320 --> 00:27:13.320 You bet. 00:27:13.320 --> 00:27:14.320 Okay. 00:27:14.320 --> 00:27:15.320 I don't see any other questions. 00:27:15.320 --> 00:27:16.320 Thanks, ma'am. 00:27:16.320 --> 00:27:17.320 Nice job, Sean. 00:27:17.320 --> 00:27:21.000 Yeah, if I could actually speak to that last point, one of the things that we actually 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:28.680 discussed is this ordinance is not in final form yet, and one of the things that we discussed 00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:34.640 is it might be possible to put a section in there that authorizes us to get with the codifier 00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:44.600 to implement this into the new DDC as a clerical issue rather than as a substantive change. 00:27:44.600 --> 00:27:45.600 That'd be preferable. 00:27:45.600 --> 00:27:46.600 Thank you. 00:27:46.600 --> 00:27:47.600 Okay. 00:27:47.600 --> 00:27:48.600 Okay. 00:27:48.600 --> 00:27:54.920 With that, we will move into our many public hearings. 00:27:54.920 --> 00:27:59.160 Do we want -- did you have a plan as Ron just presenting everything? 00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:00.160 Yep. 00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:01.160 He was going to start with -- 00:28:01.160 --> 00:28:02.160 Okay. 00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:03.160 Okay. 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:04.160 Do you want to go ahead and do aye out of order? 00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:05.160 Okay. 00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:06.160 And -- 00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:07.160 Yes. 00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:08.160 Jerry, do you want to remain for a work session on that or not? 00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:13.520 If you're just speaking in general terms, then I probably could, but if you're speaking 00:28:13.520 --> 00:28:14.520 to -- 00:28:14.520 --> 00:28:19.680 Yeah, I can speak in general, and if it gets to a point where, you know, the discussion 00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:21.920 changes, then we certainly can take that. 00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:22.920 Sure. 00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:26.400 Good afternoon, Madam Chair, members of the commission, Ron McGee with Development Services. 00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:27.680 Excited to be here. 00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:31.640 We've been working on this for several weeks or probably months. 00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:35.200 It was -- you know, when I say we, it's been staff. 00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:40.240 We've been meeting every other day looking at areas within the city that we feel should 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:44.800 be part of our city initiated rezoning proposals. 00:28:44.800 --> 00:28:51.240 We've taken a lot of input from you, from the council, from the citizens, general public, 00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:54.360 of course, and the DCRC. 00:28:54.360 --> 00:28:58.000 We've been talking about this, again, for several times. 00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:05.280 So with that, I'm going to go into our schedule, and I just want to share this with the commission 00:29:05.280 --> 00:29:10.680 because we have a lot coming up, and I want to make sure that we are all on the same page. 00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:15.240 Our first group is what I'm calling it is today, March 29th. 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:18.840 That will be then going to city council on June 11th. 00:29:18.840 --> 00:29:25.560 That is the area along I-35E between the southern city limits up to generally Fort Worth Drive. 00:29:25.560 --> 00:29:29.560 And then, you know, the second group would be from there all the way up through the northern 00:29:29.560 --> 00:29:38.640 city limits, part of 380 or 380, the loop in that general corridors, those general corridors. 00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:46.360 And then our last area would be Teasley, 377, parts of them, as well as the area within 00:29:46.360 --> 00:29:47.760 the core of the city. 00:29:47.760 --> 00:29:53.400 So we've got a lot ahead of us, and again, this will be our first one, and hopefully 00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:54.400 it goes smoothly. 00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:58.920 If, you know, if there's things that we can improve, we're certainly going to notice those 00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:06.320 and imply or apply those to the ones that will be coming in the future. 00:30:06.320 --> 00:30:10.960 So how do we start analyzing and evaluating which area? 00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:14.840 So obviously we started with the transition chart because that's what we have today. 00:30:14.840 --> 00:30:17.720 That was adopted on April 23rd. 00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:23.200 Looking at the transition chart, we've actually mapped the areas, and you've seen those maps. 00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:30.160 Using that, also looking at existing uses, where they are, obviously we focus on I-35 00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:35.240 because that's generally some of the existing uses there was brought to our attention and 00:30:35.240 --> 00:30:41.040 wanted to address those nonconforming uses as soon as possible. 00:30:41.040 --> 00:30:47.400 Of course, nonconforming uses we want to eliminate or limit as much as we can, while protecting 00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:50.280 existing neighborhoods throughout the city. 00:30:50.280 --> 00:30:55.400 Again, we looked at corridors, and that's what's been our main focus, again, I-35, 380, 00:30:55.400 --> 00:31:01.640 the loop, any other specific study areas or special study areas that we were looking at. 00:31:01.640 --> 00:31:06.840 Through public comments, looking at the future land use map, the future, I'm sorry, the land 00:31:06.840 --> 00:31:12.800 use element, and then if there's certain areas that draw certain things that fit more with 00:31:12.800 --> 00:31:19.360 the future or the land use designations that we have or the zoning districts that we have, 00:31:19.360 --> 00:31:25.160 we identified those areas and again, wanted to bring that forward. 00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:28.640 So our group one is the area that you see here. 00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:36.080 It starts on the southern city limits, where our bill, other forward dealership is located, 00:31:36.080 --> 00:31:39.120 and we made our way up, all the way up to Fort Worth Drive. 00:31:39.120 --> 00:31:42.160 We try to stay within the highway corridor. 00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:47.720 We kind of touch a little bit just north or south of it, not extending more than what 00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:48.720 we needed to. 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:50.680 We've been focusing on the corridor. 00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:59.600 We have 24 identified, however, we are pulling one item of this area, and that is area 9 00:31:59.600 --> 00:32:02.280 because of a notice issue. 00:32:02.280 --> 00:32:08.040 So we'll bring that forward, excuse me, we will be bringing that forward on the next 00:32:08.040 --> 00:32:10.280 go-around, which is June 26. 00:32:10.280 --> 00:32:17.280 Otherwise, we are going to discuss this set of areas here in the work session. 00:32:17.280 --> 00:32:24.840 Again, you can see from the map, it's primarily HC along the corridor from 1 all the way through 00:32:24.840 --> 00:32:25.840 24. 00:32:25.840 --> 00:32:30.200 Now, there are pockets that are not HC, but again, those are areas that we felt would 00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:35.880 benefit from us taking it as a city-initiated rezoning as part of this effort. 00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:39.640 Does anybody have any questions to this point? 00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:41.560 Okay. 00:32:41.560 --> 00:32:47.600 So here's the next slides, and there's several. 00:32:47.600 --> 00:32:55.680 I've started looking at this as a presentation, and in the end, it just made more sense that 00:32:55.680 --> 00:33:00.520 we went through each area by themselves rather than a whole, because they're all different. 00:33:00.520 --> 00:33:02.400 They're all in different areas. 00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:04.780 They all have different existing uses. 00:33:04.780 --> 00:33:07.980 They all have different zoning districts to a certain degree. 00:33:07.980 --> 00:33:11.160 So I've prepared two slides for each area. 00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:16.480 We can go through those right now, or we can go through them at the public hearing, just 00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:20.800 to what your preference is, commission. 00:33:20.800 --> 00:33:25.360 That's up to you. 00:33:25.360 --> 00:33:28.480 I would think you're going to do them in the regular meeting, correct? 00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:29.480 Yes. 00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:30.480 For sure. 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:31.480 Okay. 00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:32.900 I think it's just a great opportunity. 00:33:32.900 --> 00:33:40.720 This is probably one of the simpler ones for us, and it's a lot of properties. 00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:46.240 So if we need to kind of expand on something, I think it's a little simpler to do here, 00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:48.680 knowing that these will be coming forward. 00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:55.720 As Ron indicated, staff has put an immense amount of time in walking through this, probably 00:33:55.720 --> 00:34:02.520 challenging decisions from when we start with Area 1 to the time we got to Area 24, and 00:34:02.520 --> 00:34:06.600 come back to Area 1, there was a whole other thought process, because we've already forgotten 00:34:06.600 --> 00:34:09.720 what we had talked about because of so many properties. 00:34:09.720 --> 00:34:15.360 So it's just really important, I think, rather than trying not, in the public hearing, to 00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:20.360 be asking questions or causing confusion, is that if we can vet as much of that out 00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:23.720 as we can in work session, I think it's very useful. 00:34:23.720 --> 00:34:27.520 I don't know what we'll anticipate for having from the public. 00:34:27.520 --> 00:34:32.000 We spoke with the property owners to make sure that they understood what we were doing 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:34.640 and the benefit. 00:34:34.640 --> 00:34:40.480 And truly, the greatest number, well, all of these, really, are to mimic what's on 00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:48.000 the ground, to eliminate nonconformities, and really in the ease of use and recognizing 00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:52.200 that our corridors are our primary focus of what we're looking at and trying to do the 00:34:52.200 --> 00:34:53.200 best thing. 00:34:53.200 --> 00:34:57.840 So I just certainly encourage anything that you might have as a question in the overall 00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:01.840 process or specific to these properties that we try to nail that down as much as we can 00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:06.260 so that we afford that time for the public to be able to speak and certainly try not 00:35:06.260 --> 00:35:09.080 to confuse them. 00:35:09.080 --> 00:35:10.080 Thank you. 00:35:10.080 --> 00:35:11.080 Commissioner Beck. 00:35:11.080 --> 00:35:12.080 Thank you, Master. 00:35:12.080 --> 00:35:18.440 I was discussing with Ron earlier on area one, there was that parcel directly to the 00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:19.440 east. 00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:22.760 Why we didn't add that to that, and I think you said Richard was going to explain that. 00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:26.440 Is this a good time to bring that up now? 00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:27.440 Yeah. 00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:36.000 Larry, if I can get to there and then we can bring up the map. 00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:43.160 I have arranged the slides to go straight to area eight, because that was our schedule. 00:35:43.160 --> 00:35:48.240 If the commission would like, I can go to area one, make our way through, and have area 00:35:48.240 --> 00:35:53.000 eight as the last one, and then, Jerry, then if you want to recuse yourself at the end, 00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:54.680 that might be the way to do it. 00:35:54.680 --> 00:35:57.840 We can start with area one, is what I'm saying. 00:35:57.840 --> 00:35:58.840 You mean in work session? 00:35:58.840 --> 00:35:59.840 In work session. 00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:00.840 Okay. 00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:01.840 Yes. 00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:04.680 Because we are actually going to start with area eight at the meeting. 00:36:04.680 --> 00:36:07.800 I would say why don't we stick with eight so as not to ... 00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:08.800 Okay. 00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:09.800 Is that okay? 00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:10.800 Is that okay? 00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:11.800 Jerry. 00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:12.800 That's your cue. 00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:13.800 Yeah. 00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:14.800 Let's do that. 00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:15.800 To me, that makes more sense. 00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:16.800 Okay. 00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:17.800 Perfect. 00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:18.800 I just wanted to see what was best. 00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:19.800 Thank you. 00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:20.800 Okay. 00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:27.240 As you can see here, it is in this general area, just southeast corner of Lillian Miller 00:36:27.240 --> 00:36:28.240 in I-35. 00:36:28.240 --> 00:36:33.120 It is the Southridge Village Shopping Center. 00:36:33.120 --> 00:36:40.920 It is being proposed to go from RCR2 to HC, Highway Corridor, approximately 18.5 acres, 00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:44.760 contains about eight parcels, and you can see in the bottom bullet there, those are 00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:46.800 the existing uses. 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:49.560 There is a gas station, Chevron. 00:36:49.560 --> 00:36:53.840 There is a number of restaurants within that shopping center. 00:36:53.840 --> 00:37:01.240 The main shopping center also includes a trampoline place as well as the Goodwill store, so a 00:37:01.240 --> 00:37:06.360 number of different uses within this particular area. 00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:11.560 What's being proposed, again, is HC, and as you can see, the area eight here is outlined 00:37:11.560 --> 00:37:13.240 in this red. 00:37:13.240 --> 00:37:17.120 That will be the zoning if it is to pass. 00:37:17.120 --> 00:37:20.640 Changing the zoning to HC will not change the status of those areas. 00:37:20.640 --> 00:37:29.600 Those areas are normally the same as far as uses permitted, so either on the MN, which 00:37:29.600 --> 00:37:34.840 is what it would transition to. 00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:38.200 What we're proposing is HC, nothing is going to change as far as the uses. 00:37:38.200 --> 00:37:42.840 They would still remain conforming, is what I'm trying to say. 00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:48.720 No public hearing notices were received regarding this particular area. 00:37:48.720 --> 00:37:49.720 Any questions? 00:37:49.720 --> 00:37:50.720 No. 00:37:50.720 --> 00:37:51.720 Okay. 00:37:51.720 --> 00:37:52.720 Okay. 00:37:52.720 --> 00:37:57.200 Let me let Jerry back in. 00:37:57.200 --> 00:38:01.840 In regular session, we would consider it and make a motion, and then, of course, then the 00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:04.760 next rest of it would be the- 00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:05.760 The group. 00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:06.760 The group. 00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:07.760 The group. 00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:08.760 Discussion. 00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:09.760 Right. 00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:10.760 Does that make sense? 00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:17.000 We're going to move on this one separately, since Jerry has to leave for this item, we'll 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:22.280 bring it up, open public hearing, close the public hearing, discuss it, vote on it, and 00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:25.000 then move in, and then we'll do the rest of them as a group. 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:26.000 Okay. 00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:30.800 Except for area nine, I think, with that one that was postponed, right? 00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:32.080 The one that's being postponed? 00:38:32.080 --> 00:38:33.080 Right. 00:38:33.080 --> 00:38:34.080 Yes. 00:38:34.080 --> 00:38:35.080 Correct. 00:38:35.080 --> 00:38:36.080 Okay. 00:38:36.080 --> 00:38:44.600 So, just a parcel, one parcel, that is, 1.88, generally located right there on Lakeview 00:38:44.600 --> 00:38:50.480 and Shadyshore, southeast corner, as you can see in this outline aerial. 00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:54.000 The property is owned by Bill Utterford. 00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:59.700 There actually is a piece of it being used as a parking lot for the dealership. 00:38:59.700 --> 00:39:04.160 That area that is outlined in yellow is in the city of Denton. 00:39:04.160 --> 00:39:08.800 The area south of that area is in the city of Corinth. 00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:16.520 The proposed zoning is to go from RCR 1 to HC, Highway Corridor. 00:39:16.520 --> 00:39:21.480 Looking at the proposed zoning map, it is this small parcel to the far bottom here, 00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:28.600 and you can see that all of the area close to I-35 is being proposed as HC, so we're 00:39:28.600 --> 00:39:35.760 talking about this small area here, again, 1.8 acres and 1.9 acres. 00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:43.200 Proximity is close to I-35, again, Bill Utterford, part of that dealership is this parcel, makes 00:39:43.200 --> 00:39:53.000 sense that be part of the zoning that allows for automotive sales and leasing, and by going 00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:59.280 to HC, it would actually make it conforming, because right now it is not allowed under 00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:07.720 the RCR 1, the zoning district, so going to HC would make the auto sales and leasing use 00:40:07.720 --> 00:40:15.840 a conforming use for this site, for this area, and we have not received any notices for this 00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:20.520 proposal. 00:40:20.520 --> 00:40:23.960 You had a question, I apologize, regarding the parcel to the-- 00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:25.320 Yes, and you answered it. 00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:31.240 We're not extending that to make it look even and not having to worry about dealing in the 00:40:31.240 --> 00:40:34.040 future, because that's not the city of Denton, it's the city of Corinth. 00:40:34.040 --> 00:40:38.560 Well, I'm sorry, maybe I misspoke, but this area right here is part of the city of Denton, 00:40:38.560 --> 00:40:43.080 this piece right here, but everything south of that is in the city of Corinth, and this 00:40:43.080 --> 00:40:48.560 area, we didn't include it, because I believe the ownership may be different than it's not 00:40:48.560 --> 00:40:52.500 part of the dealership, and so we were just trying to address the nonconformity. 00:40:52.500 --> 00:40:57.880 It's one long parcel, so part of the northern end is in Denton and the southern end is-- 00:40:57.880 --> 00:40:58.880 Correct. 00:40:58.880 --> 00:40:59.880 Yes, yes. 00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:02.160 Don't ask me how that happened. 00:41:02.160 --> 00:41:06.200 But again, we wanted to address the nonconformity, and the reason why we chose this area is because 00:41:06.200 --> 00:41:09.280 part of it is being used as a dealership. 00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:12.440 Great, thank you. 00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:20.320 Area two, going north of that particular area, just on the southeast corner of Parker's Page 00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:28.640 and I-35, it is being proposed to go from RCCD to HC, Highway Corridor, again. 00:41:28.640 --> 00:41:31.720 It's approximately 35.61 acres. 00:41:31.720 --> 00:41:36.040 There are seven parcels there, and there's a number of uses existing, including United 00:41:36.040 --> 00:41:42.800 Rental, Explorer, USA RV, Supercenter, the Eckerd-Honday dealership, as well as the Classic 00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:52.680 pre-owned dealership, and as similar to the other one, changing the zoning from RCCD to 00:41:52.680 --> 00:41:58.960 HC would make those automotive sales and leasing use conforming. 00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:04.680 So again, looking at that, and to be honest, along the highway, that's where the dealerships 00:42:04.680 --> 00:42:11.120 are proposed or are currently existing, but if we were to propose new, it would most likely 00:42:11.120 --> 00:42:17.120 be along I-35, and that's where we're trying to identify some areas and making it consistent 00:42:17.120 --> 00:42:23.600 in that it is HC, again, which is part of our proposal. 00:42:23.600 --> 00:42:26.160 As far as the other uses, it would not change those other uses. 00:42:26.160 --> 00:42:31.320 They would still remain conforming with the HC. 00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:35.360 Uses were received for this particular property as well, or this area. 00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:36.360 Questions? 00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:37.360 Okay. 00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:48.560 Area three, it is, again, across the highway on I-35, it is the area that's where James 00:42:48.560 --> 00:42:54.720 Wood, his dealership or their dealership, a number of, obviously, mixed models. 00:42:54.720 --> 00:42:58.200 Honda of Den and Toyo Den is in this area. 00:42:58.200 --> 00:42:59.200 It's a larger area. 00:42:59.200 --> 00:43:06.960 It's about 74 acres, again, generally located on I-35, the southeast corner of the I-35 00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:09.540 and State School. 00:43:09.540 --> 00:43:10.540 Let's see here. 00:43:10.540 --> 00:43:14.440 RCCD to HC, similar discussion as we had earlier. 00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:19.240 Going to HC would make those dealerships conforming. 00:43:19.240 --> 00:43:25.960 Again, with the RCCD, it's not currently permitted, but by going to HC would, and then if there 00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:30.600 are any other uses, there was one use, I believe it was a medical office, and that would not 00:43:30.600 --> 00:43:36.340 change its status if it were to go to HC, so it would still remain conforming. 00:43:36.340 --> 00:43:42.320 We did receive two responses in favor of this particular area, and it came from James Wood, 00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:47.920 and I provided that to y'all earlier this afternoon. 00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:52.560 I'm just going to go unless there's a question, and we'll just move on, okay? 00:43:52.560 --> 00:43:59.840 Area four, it is an area that is occupied by Eckerd Hyundai Pre-Owned dealership, and 00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:04.240 when you see the proposed zoning map, you'll see why we're proposing a change here from 00:44:04.240 --> 00:44:06.880 RCR1 to MR. 00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:07.880 It's a smaller lot. 00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:15.360 It's about .88 acres, and the reason why we're choosing to go to MR is that the area surrounding 00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:19.160 it, almost on all four sides, is MR. 00:44:19.160 --> 00:44:23.920 So it is currently transitioned to MN. 00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:28.360 What we're trying to do is make it consistent with the environment, with the area, and the 00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:30.560 zoning surrounding it. 00:44:30.560 --> 00:44:39.480 Again, MR would still allow for the dealership, and it would just make sense that this is 00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:41.240 MR. 00:44:41.240 --> 00:44:44.000 No responses were received. 00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:50.440 Area five, we're, again, making our way up I-35. 00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:58.560 This area is where, just north of the Unicorn Lake multi-family, or mixed-use development, 00:44:58.560 --> 00:45:04.520 it's got the restaurants along I-35, Chewie's, Bone Daddy's, and BJ's. 00:45:04.520 --> 00:45:13.480 It also has a flooring company and a gymnastics center, as well as Jostin's main buildings. 00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:18.920 We are proposing for this to go to HC, from RCR1 to RCCD. 00:45:18.920 --> 00:45:21.440 Now, there is one correction here. 00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:28.200 We are not including this piece that is outlined in red, dash red, that is. 00:45:28.200 --> 00:45:33.680 That is actually part of a PD, and we did receive a notice or response from the property 00:45:33.680 --> 00:45:38.160 owner, and they've asked that they not be part of the zoning change to HC and just remain 00:45:38.160 --> 00:45:39.160 as PD. 00:45:39.160 --> 00:45:46.360 So, that is one correction that has been made and will be part of the presentation to City 00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:50.520 Council and ultimately to, as part of the ordinance, that is. 00:45:50.520 --> 00:45:55.040 So Ron, that's just changing area five as it was first presented? 00:45:55.040 --> 00:45:56.040 Correct. 00:45:56.040 --> 00:45:57.760 It's just going to change the boundaries of area five? 00:45:57.760 --> 00:45:58.760 Right. 00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:03.520 We'll just cut this parcel off, or we'll just not make it a part of the ordinance, or consideration 00:46:03.520 --> 00:46:05.560 moving forward. 00:46:05.560 --> 00:46:09.600 Commissioner Beck? 00:46:09.600 --> 00:46:10.600 Thank you, Vice Chair. 00:46:10.600 --> 00:46:12.600 What's currently on this property? 00:46:12.600 --> 00:46:13.600 It's vacant. 00:46:13.600 --> 00:46:14.600 There's nothing there. 00:46:14.600 --> 00:46:21.680 It's a pad site in front of Buc-E's along I-35. 00:46:21.680 --> 00:46:24.840 Okay, thanks. 00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:32.880 Changing the use of the zoning to HC will change some of the zoning, the use in particular 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:35.760 the materials and supply store. 00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:41.280 It is not permitted in its current zoning district as per the transition chart, but 00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:44.320 changing it to HC will make it conforming. 00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:46.480 All the other uses will not change. 00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:52.000 They would all be permitted under the HC, and again, no public hearing notices responses 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:58.120 were received. 00:46:58.120 --> 00:47:03.500 Area six, it's another area that we looked at. 00:47:03.500 --> 00:47:05.960 It is in the Unicorn Lake development. 00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:09.000 It's about 7.3 acres. 00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:11.520 It is the shoreline apartments. 00:47:11.520 --> 00:47:17.400 Its transition zoning is to our, I'm sorry, it is currently RCR2, which will transition 00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:18.400 to an MN. 00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:25.040 However, if you look at the proposed or the zoning area, and it's identified here in this 00:47:25.040 --> 00:47:31.240 weird looking shape, and you can see surrounding it on all four sides is MR. 00:47:31.240 --> 00:47:41.560 So staff is proposing that that area, or that area six be re-zoned, that is, to MR as well. 00:47:41.560 --> 00:47:45.640 The MR would make it consistent with the surrounding area. 00:47:45.640 --> 00:47:49.120 It will not change the use as far as being conforming or non-conforming, it would still 00:47:49.120 --> 00:47:55.400 remain conforming, and again, just to be consistent with the area's zoning district. 00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:59.920 And no public hearing notices were received. 00:47:59.920 --> 00:48:05.480 Area seven, another area that is along I-35 that we looked at. 00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:07.560 It's about 30 acres. 00:48:07.560 --> 00:48:16.120 You can see here, generally, between the loop and Brinker Road, it is currently the ridge 00:48:16.120 --> 00:48:20.360 at North Texas apartments, as well as Pace Crossing. 00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:21.480 There's two parcels there. 00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:26.560 I believe this is Pace, and this is the ridge at North Texas. 00:48:26.560 --> 00:48:29.040 What we are proposing is to go to MR. 00:48:29.040 --> 00:48:35.280 Again, this is the area right here that we are talking about. 00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:41.720 Pretty much surrounded by MR on all, basically on all three sides, and then I-35 along the 00:48:41.720 --> 00:48:43.000 front of it. 00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:53.840 So staff is recommending MR and has not received any responses from the public hearing notice. 00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:56.360 Area nine is the area that we are going to postpone. 00:48:56.360 --> 00:49:00.800 I just wanted to just have it here in case so that we are reminded that it will be part 00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:04.560 of the June 26th public hearing. 00:49:04.560 --> 00:49:06.280 Area 10, we're moving north. 00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:11.200 We're now on Dallas Drive, between Dallas Drive and I-35. 00:49:11.200 --> 00:49:19.360 Area 10 is currently zone ECC and would transition to LI. 00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:23.600 We are proposing, staff is proposing as part of the city initiated zoning change to suburban 00:49:23.600 --> 00:49:24.600 corridor. 00:49:24.600 --> 00:49:32.440 Dallas Drive is a corridor, and the parcels that are here and that are included as far 00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:35.840 as uses are listed here won't list them all. 00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:43.520 All of those parcels in this pink area, again, is what we're talking about. 00:49:43.520 --> 00:49:51.920 All front or have access along Dallas Drive and it is all commercial related instead of 00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:59.080 the employment or LI zoning district that is currently part of the transition chart. 00:49:59.080 --> 00:50:04.080 So again, the area that we're talking about is this pink area here. 00:50:04.080 --> 00:50:09.600 All access is I-35, I'm sorry, Dallas Drive and that is why we chose suburban corridor 00:50:09.600 --> 00:50:12.120 for this area. 00:50:12.120 --> 00:50:13.120 Commissioner Beck. 00:50:13.120 --> 00:50:14.120 Thank you, Vice Chair. 00:50:14.120 --> 00:50:18.760 The area that extends to I-35 touches Dallas Drive and comes in there. 00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:19.760 Okay. 00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:20.760 That's one parcel obviously. 00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:21.760 Yes. 00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:22.760 Okay. 00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:25.960 Down the road, if this isn't, well, what's in there currently? 00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:28.080 I believe it's part of the apartments. 00:50:28.080 --> 00:50:29.080 Apartments? 00:50:29.080 --> 00:50:30.080 Yes. 00:50:30.080 --> 00:50:31.080 Okay. 00:50:31.080 --> 00:50:34.480 So I think down the road could be sold and divided, but probably not because of what's 00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:35.480 there. 00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:36.480 Yeah. 00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:37.480 It may be a possibility. 00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:41.520 It could be that it could be subdivided, but probably not because it is existing in some 00:50:41.520 --> 00:50:43.560 multifamily development now. 00:50:43.560 --> 00:50:44.560 And I agree. 00:50:44.560 --> 00:50:45.560 Probably not. 00:50:45.560 --> 00:50:51.480 But say we ran into a situation like that where something could be divided later. 00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:53.480 They could come and ask for a rezoning of HR. 00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:54.480 Certainly can. 00:50:54.480 --> 00:50:55.480 Yes. 00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:56.480 Yes. 00:50:56.480 --> 00:50:57.480 That's where I was going with that. 00:50:57.480 --> 00:50:58.480 Thank you. 00:50:58.480 --> 00:50:59.480 So that's area 10. 00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:11.440 We did receive one notice in response, again, in favor for this zoning change to SC. 00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:14.160 In the general same area, we have area 11. 00:51:14.160 --> 00:51:21.560 Now, area 11, we chose to go to Highway Corridor primarily because it is fronting I-35 and 00:51:21.560 --> 00:51:24.880 the access is off I-35. 00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:32.600 It's about 3.5 acres, Wells Fargo, and the Hooters Restaurant is in this area. 00:51:32.600 --> 00:51:37.560 And you can see, again, this is the area we're talking about, area 11, again, primarily because 00:51:37.560 --> 00:51:47.360 the frontage is on I-35, makes sense that this goes to HC and no responses were received. 00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:50.520 Area 12, generally in the same area. 00:51:50.520 --> 00:51:55.080 Again, and let me go back a little bit so I can explain. 00:51:55.080 --> 00:52:00.320 The reason why we chose to keep these as different areas, and I know they're in the same general 00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:06.800 vicinity, but we have multiple zoning here proposed and we want to make it as clear as 00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:07.800 possible. 00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:12.200 So I apologize if I'm repeating a lot of what I've already said about another area. 00:52:12.200 --> 00:52:19.520 But if you look at this area, this is how we see it and this is how the zoning is proposed. 00:52:19.520 --> 00:52:25.140 But generally anything that's along I-35 is going to get an HC. 00:52:25.140 --> 00:52:30.360 Anything that's on a corridor such as Teasley or Dow's Drive, it will most likely get or 00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:36.000 will get an SC zoning, again, based on the existing uses, based on all the other factors 00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:38.600 we discussed earlier. 00:52:38.600 --> 00:52:46.760 So area 12 is the Den Square Shopping Center, has a number of different uses. 00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:55.600 It is going to go from ECC to HC, again, primary reason is because it's along I-35 and we did 00:52:55.600 --> 00:52:56.600 not receive any responses. 00:52:56.600 --> 00:52:57.600 Ron? 00:52:57.600 --> 00:52:58.600 Yes, ma'am. 00:52:58.600 --> 00:53:01.760 I'm going to break you right here and we're going to take a quick recess and get dinner 00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:02.760 and then we'll come back and do the rest. 00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:03.760 Is that okay? 00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:04.760 That's fine. 00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:05.760 Okay. 00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:06.760 I'll call a recess at 6.03. 00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:12.560 I will call the planning and zoning work session back to order at 6.10. 00:53:12.560 --> 00:53:15.720 Thank you, Madam Chair, members of the Commission. 00:53:15.720 --> 00:53:18.740 I'd like to propose something. 00:53:18.740 --> 00:53:23.160 I know that there's a lot of information that I've been presenting and a lot of it's repetitive 00:53:23.160 --> 00:53:26.800 and a lot of it is what you have already in your backup. 00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:33.240 If it's to the Commission's interest, I can just present from this slide here. 00:53:33.240 --> 00:53:36.480 I don't know if it's helpful going through area by area. 00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:40.760 What are your thoughts so that, you know, when we go to the public hearing, if it's 00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:46.320 something I need just to be focused more on one slide or one area or a larger area versus 00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:48.420 each area by themselves? 00:53:48.420 --> 00:53:50.960 Just thoughts. 00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:51.960 Commissioner Smith. 00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:52.960 Thank you, Madam Vice Chair. 00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:55.880 I think you're moving through it pretty quickly. 00:53:55.880 --> 00:53:58.960 So I think, I mean, even if it takes you 30 minutes to go through it, and I know I'd like 00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:03.120 to get out earlier too, but at the same time, if there are people here who want to hear 00:54:03.120 --> 00:54:07.520 it, it'd be better to go through, I think, area by area, even if it's just two quick 00:54:07.520 --> 00:54:11.560 ones, say this is a, well, just like the last one, this is the same thing, no response spell 00:54:11.560 --> 00:54:15.280 bar, move through and through, so we can at least see, and then if somebody from public 00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:20.640 comes up and says, I have a question about my parcel, it's in area 20, and then we can 00:54:20.640 --> 00:54:24.120 go pull up area 20 and remind ourselves, but I think that it really isn't that. 00:54:24.120 --> 00:54:27.920 For the, I mean, yeah, and I appreciate that, and I think we were just discussing that a 00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:28.920 bit earlier. 00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:33.960 For the work session, would you care for the same thing, go through it area by area, or 00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:37.680 are we just talking about the area for the public hearing? 00:54:37.680 --> 00:54:40.360 I think for the public hearing, too, personally. 00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:41.600 Both public hearing and work session. 00:54:41.600 --> 00:54:48.200 Yeah, I mean, to me, at this point, I think we've got only about 10 left, right, so, which 00:54:48.200 --> 00:54:49.200 we're moving pretty quickly through. 00:54:49.200 --> 00:54:50.200 Yeah. 00:54:50.200 --> 00:54:51.200 Okay. 00:54:51.200 --> 00:54:52.200 Is that okay with everyone? 00:54:52.200 --> 00:54:53.200 Not worried about it. 00:54:53.200 --> 00:54:54.200 Okay. 00:54:54.200 --> 00:55:06.600 I'm going to go back to 13 and just continue with the presentation. 00:55:06.600 --> 00:55:13.560 Okay area 13, this is again further north heading towards Fort Worth Drive. 00:55:13.560 --> 00:55:21.200 We have a property or area that is currently zone NRMU proposed to go to SC, suburban corridor. 00:55:21.200 --> 00:55:28.280 It's approximately 17.7 acres, has 12 parcels, a little bit more mix of uses. 00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:35.680 We've got some business offices, professional offices, that is, got a car wash, a automotive 00:55:35.680 --> 00:55:46.360 fuel sales area in the form of Exxon, a motel or hotel, as well as other uses within the 00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:48.360 area. 00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:50.800 We are proposing that this area go to SC. 00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:56.280 Now, you may ask, well, why are we going to SC if it's along I-35? 00:55:56.280 --> 00:56:04.680 Primarily is because the existing uses there now are more suited for an SC, and it is also 00:56:04.680 --> 00:56:08.480 adjacent to single family to the south. 00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:14.520 So that being said, we really want to be sensitive of that, and so we're going with SC. 00:56:14.520 --> 00:56:20.960 Now, SC versus HC, the difference there is intensity, but the uses are generally the 00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:21.960 same. 00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:25.600 So staff is proposing SC for area 13. 00:56:25.600 --> 00:56:31.840 We did receive one response, and that again is in favor. 00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:38.440 Area 14 is north of that, it is on the northwest corner of Teasley and I-35. 00:56:38.440 --> 00:56:45.800 It is the shopping center that contains Point Bank, KFC, Pizza Hut, Brahms, and 7-Eleven 00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:47.360 on the corner. 00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:51.160 That is going from DCG to HC. 00:56:51.160 --> 00:56:56.080 This is what's being proposed in area 14, as you see here. 00:56:56.080 --> 00:57:02.120 Again, primarily the reason it's going to HC is because it's along I-35, and it's surrounded 00:57:02.120 --> 00:57:07.260 by more intense zoning or intense uses. 00:57:07.260 --> 00:57:11.940 Staff has not received any responses. 00:57:11.940 --> 00:57:18.280 Area 15, just north of that, that is proposed to go from DCG to SC, suburban corridor. 00:57:18.280 --> 00:57:23.160 That is, again, north of where we just saw area 14, on Teasley, and the reason why it's 00:57:23.160 --> 00:57:29.360 going to SC is primarily because it fronts Teasley, which is a corridor, and the existing 00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:33.480 uses there are mostly non-residential. 00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:43.400 However, there is a single-family use currently, is generally in the area right here. 00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:50.960 It's one small home with a large lot, however, the area is along Teasley, and again, that's 00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:53.160 why we're pursuing SC. 00:57:53.160 --> 00:58:01.040 The thing to note is that going to SC, the single-family home would be non-conforming 00:58:01.040 --> 00:58:03.800 because it is not permitted in that zoning district. 00:58:03.800 --> 00:58:12.640 However, single-family per our zoning district, I'm sorry, our development code would not 00:58:12.640 --> 00:58:13.640 warrant it to be non-conforming. 00:58:13.640 --> 00:58:18.400 It would still be conforming per a section of our development code. 00:58:18.400 --> 00:58:20.880 Just a note for your consideration. 00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:24.880 Which is stating that anything that is currently residential, right, would not be considered 00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:25.880 non-conforming. 00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:26.880 Correct. 00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:27.880 Yes. 00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:37.440 Area 16, we are moving south of I-35, and this is an area on Londonderry, and I don't 00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:39.280 know if you all are familiar with this area. 00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:47.680 This street has a lot of different uses, primarily commercial in the form of an academy, the 00:58:47.680 --> 00:58:54.080 Metzler's Barbecue's there, a number of parking, I'm sorry, multi-family, as well as professional 00:58:54.080 --> 00:58:56.480 and medical offices. 00:58:56.480 --> 00:59:02.840 The area is currently zoned per the transition chart, R7. 00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:08.720 Staff is proposing that it be zoned SC, as you can see in this area here. 00:59:08.720 --> 00:59:18.760 SC is to the north, and to the south is the South Lakes Park, and yeah, McMath Middle 00:59:18.760 --> 00:59:23.280 School as well, and that's why it's shown as blue. 00:59:23.280 --> 00:59:31.840 But this is more suitable for an SC, primarily because it already has existing commercial 00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:38.400 uses and it's close to Teasley, and again, it's bordered between SC to the north and 00:59:38.400 --> 00:59:41.320 a park to the south. 00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:44.600 No responses was received. 00:59:44.600 --> 00:59:47.860 A little bit to the west is area 17. 00:59:47.860 --> 00:59:54.760 This area is proposed to go from two zoning districts, NR, MU12, and Community Makes Use 00:59:54.760 --> 00:59:58.120 General to an MN. 00:59:58.120 --> 01:00:05.080 It is approximately 6.8 acres, contains a number of uses, apartments, a medical office, 01:00:05.080 --> 01:00:12.920 and a medical, I think it's another apartment, so mostly apartments in this general area. 01:00:12.920 --> 01:00:22.160 That is suitable for MN, which would permit multifamily and would make these consistent 01:00:22.160 --> 01:00:24.880 in that it would be conforming. 01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:32.280 Currently for the medical office, MN would allow for medical office to be permitted by 01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:39.920 right and therefore conforming, as opposed to R7, and again, no responses were received 01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:43.320 for this area. 01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:51.880 Area 18, just to the north of that area, as you can see from the aerial here, mainly multifamily, 01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:57.120 going from CMG to MN Zoning District. 01:00:57.120 --> 01:01:05.060 Just on the corner, the northeast corner of Londonderry and San Bas Boulevard, two apartments 01:01:05.060 --> 01:01:13.360 currently are in here in this area, Studio Place Apartments and Salem Ridge Apartments. 01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:21.960 Going from the two zoning districts, I'm sorry, CMG to MN would make this consistent with 01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:26.560 the surrounding zoning of MN that you see here. 01:01:26.560 --> 01:01:34.600 Changing the MN would also continue, it wouldn't change the status of the apartments. 01:01:34.600 --> 01:01:36.880 They would still be permitted. 01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:46.000 And again, it's along Londonderry and San Bas, and we have not received any responses. 01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:52.960 Area 19, we are jumping across the highway going to the north on the corners or the corner 01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:57.000 of Allegra Vista and I-35. 01:01:57.000 --> 01:02:02.560 If you know this area, it has the Hampton Inn Suites, the First United Bank, Chuck E. Cheese 01:02:02.560 --> 01:02:04.800 and Johnny Carrinos. 01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:13.000 It's about seven acres, and again, for the reason that the uses are more non-residential, 01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:19.240 the area is surrounded by multifamily, and also it fronts I-35. 01:02:19.240 --> 01:02:27.240 The zoning for this area is suitable for HC, and that's the purpose of what staff is proposing. 01:02:27.240 --> 01:02:29.240 No responses was received. 01:02:29.240 --> 01:02:37.680 Area 20, just to the west, similar to what we discussed in area 19, it is non-residential, 01:02:37.680 --> 01:02:46.280 surrounded by multifamily, and along I-35, suitable for HC in this area. 01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:50.520 Four more to go. 01:02:50.520 --> 01:02:54.600 Area 21, we get to Fort Worth Drive. 01:02:54.600 --> 01:03:01.840 This is an area that is currently DCG, and staff is proposing as part of the city initiated 01:03:01.840 --> 01:03:04.120 zoning to go to SC. 01:03:04.120 --> 01:03:10.100 Fort Worth Drive is a corridor, and therefore, all of the area that you see and the uses 01:03:10.100 --> 01:03:17.120 that you see here front and have frontage and access to Fort Worth Drive. 01:03:17.120 --> 01:03:29.240 Therefore, area 21, again, in this long linear area, is being proposed to SC, and we've received 01:03:29.240 --> 01:03:35.880 two responses in favor of this proposal, and those were included in your backup, or in 01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:40.320 the planning zone commission backup. 01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:46.080 Area 22, slightly different, just primarily because it has frontage in I-35, and it has 01:03:46.080 --> 01:03:50.120 similar characteristics as the ones along Fort Worth Drive, but this, again, because 01:03:50.120 --> 01:03:55.440 it's along I-35, we felt that it would be more suitable for an HC. 01:03:55.440 --> 01:04:02.080 It's a smaller piece of property, about four acres, and contains two existing uses, a bank 01:04:02.080 --> 01:04:07.680 and a graphic business, and it's important to note that the properties that are on the 01:04:07.680 --> 01:04:14.960 south southern part of the area is being consolidated and being proposed as a McDonald's restaurant. 01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:23.680 Again, the proposed zoning is to go to HC, and it's in this area here, area 22. 01:04:23.680 --> 01:04:34.640 23 is similar to 21, in that it fronts along Fort Worth Drive, those uses there would be 01:04:34.640 --> 01:04:39.640 consistent in the uses that are permitted in the suburban corridor, it would not create 01:04:39.640 --> 01:04:45.240 any non-conforming uses, it would still keep them conforming. 01:04:45.240 --> 01:04:50.800 It's about 24 acres, there's a lot of uses, as you can see, the names of those businesses 01:04:50.800 --> 01:04:53.840 are listed on this slide. 01:04:53.840 --> 01:05:01.640 Staff is proposing to go to SC, again, primarily it's along Fort Worth Drive, a major corridor, 01:05:01.640 --> 01:05:07.120 the uses are consistent with the uses that are permitted, and we've received one response 01:05:07.120 --> 01:05:10.560 for this area, and again, it's in favor. 01:05:10.560 --> 01:05:21.080 Last, sorry, not least, the area 24, it is proposed to go to HC, from DCG to HC, again, 01:05:21.080 --> 01:05:27.440 similar reasons, it's along I-35, the uses are permitted, would not create any non-conforming, 01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:36.160 it's approximately 8.2 acres, contains a Valero gas station, a water burger, a religious assembly, 01:05:36.160 --> 01:05:44.000 and an apartment complex, or I'm sorry, not apartment, but rather a hotel or motel. 01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:50.160 Staff is proposing HC, and staff has not received any responses. 01:05:50.160 --> 01:05:54.320 That concludes my presentation, of course, staff recommends approval. 01:05:54.320 --> 01:06:02.480 I will now stand for any questions that you all may have. 01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:03.480 Commissioner Sanchez? 01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:09.600 You mentioned that the visual, where you have the different colors, and this type are really 01:06:09.600 --> 01:06:14.640 good, I think, for the public, even when you started saying how you're placing it, it makes 01:06:14.640 --> 01:06:18.600 a lot more sense, and when you're looking at these, even when we were looking at them, 01:06:18.600 --> 01:06:23.400 it's all individual, but when you see how it flows, it really makes sense. 01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:25.000 Yes, and I appreciate that. 01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:30.500 When I was preparing the staff report, I had the same thought, and Cody here, who wouldn't 01:06:30.500 --> 01:06:35.000 be able to do this without obviously staff, and Cody in particular, who is our GIS analyst, 01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:39.800 put these exhibits together, and I do appreciate that comment. 01:06:39.800 --> 01:06:40.800 Okay. 01:06:40.800 --> 01:06:41.800 Great. 01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:42.800 Thank you, Ron. 01:06:42.800 --> 01:06:44.800 I told you this was easy. 01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:51.520 The other ones may not be, but hopefully this goes smoothly, and we'll be presenting at 01:06:51.520 --> 01:06:52.520 the public hearing. 01:06:52.520 --> 01:06:53.520 Very good. 01:06:53.520 --> 01:06:54.520 Thank you, Ron. 01:06:54.520 --> 01:06:55.520 Thank you. 01:06:55.520 --> 01:06:56.520 Okay. 01:06:56.520 --> 01:06:58.680 That concludes the agenda discussion. 01:06:58.680 --> 01:07:01.080 So I will close our work session at 6.25. 01:07:01.080 --> 01:07:03.920 We will reconvene for our regular meeting in council chambers. 01:07:03.920 --> 01:07:09.480 Good evening, and welcome to the special call meeting for the City of Denton Planning and 01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:13.260 Zoning Commission on Wednesday, May 29th. 01:07:13.260 --> 01:07:17.660 With the quorum present, I will call us to order at 6.35. 01:07:17.660 --> 01:07:21.680 Our first order of business is to stand if you are able and give pledge to the U.S. and 01:07:21.680 --> 01:07:29.080 Texas flag. 01:07:29.080 --> 01:07:44.440 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for 01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:48.560 which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 01:07:48.560 --> 01:07:56.180 Okay, and then just a couple of agenda clarifications. 01:07:56.180 --> 01:08:01.680 Item J on our agenda is postponed to our June 26th meeting. 01:08:01.680 --> 01:08:05.320 Item J. So that will not be heard tonight. 01:08:05.320 --> 01:08:10.600 Item I on our agenda, we are going to take out of order, and we will be hearing it after 01:08:10.600 --> 01:08:18.480 our item A. So with those clarifications, we will move to public hearing A. 01:08:18.480 --> 01:08:35.120 I will call up Sean Jacobson for presentation and open the public hearing. 01:08:35.120 --> 01:08:37.400 Good evening, Madam Chair and members of the commission. 01:08:37.400 --> 01:08:42.760 My name is Sean Jacobson, assistant planner with development services, and I am delighted 01:08:42.760 --> 01:08:49.040 to be here tonight to at long last present to you the Denton Square District. 01:08:49.040 --> 01:08:55.000 This process started with the tragic fire on the square, which highlighted the need 01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:59.560 we had desperately for standards to protect the buildings on the square and that historic 01:08:59.560 --> 01:09:00.560 character. 01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:05.040 So the direction of city council at the time was to as quickly as possible put in place 01:09:05.040 --> 01:09:09.000 a district and standards to protect that valuable historic character. 01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:13.520 As it worked out, it took a little longer than we initially planned, about 18 months, 01:09:13.520 --> 01:09:18.040 but the result has been a very transparent process, a lot of feedback, and what I believe 01:09:18.040 --> 01:09:23.480 is really an excellent ordinance designed to protect our square. 01:09:23.480 --> 01:09:27.520 We began this process by researching standards from seven cities that we believe have done 01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:29.480 this well. 01:09:29.480 --> 01:09:34.060 We took those standards and from there drafted standards that we believe were tailored to 01:09:34.060 --> 01:09:37.040 the unique character of Denton. 01:09:37.040 --> 01:09:40.840 From there, we felt that it was incredibly important that we go to our stakeholders. 01:09:40.840 --> 01:09:45.960 So we had numerous meetings with business and property owners from around the square 01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:53.520 district, as well as citizens of Denton who live both within and without, and the feedback 01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:56.720 was overwhelmingly supportive of what we were doing. 01:09:56.720 --> 01:10:01.120 We also came before historic landmark commission, planning and zoning commission, and city council 01:10:01.120 --> 01:10:06.480 multiple times received their feedback, and we took all of that and made some revisions, 01:10:06.480 --> 01:10:11.440 but throughout we've had primarily the same standards from beginning to end, making improvements 01:10:11.440 --> 01:10:13.680 and changes based on that feedback. 01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:18.960 The final changes that city council recommended when we were before them last regarded the 01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:20.240 review process. 01:10:20.240 --> 01:10:23.400 They preferred that they be the final review body. 01:10:23.400 --> 01:10:28.720 They requested standards for murals on facades facing the square, and improved standards 01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:35.440 for temporary construction areas, and that has brought us to the public hearing tonight. 01:10:35.440 --> 01:10:39.320 The process I mentioned that city council requested, as you can see here, for general 01:10:39.320 --> 01:10:43.400 repairs and minor alterations to the exterior buildings in the square, those would go to 01:10:43.400 --> 01:10:46.680 staff for administrative approval or denial. 01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:48.960 Denials could then be appealed to city council. 01:10:48.960 --> 01:10:52.720 Major projects, as well as murals, would go directly to city council for their review, 01:10:52.720 --> 01:10:57.360 and they would be making the final decision. 01:10:57.360 --> 01:11:02.880 We did notify extensively both property owners within the boundary of the square district, 01:11:02.880 --> 01:11:08.760 as well as those within 200 feet, with letters, and sent postcards to residents within 500 01:11:08.760 --> 01:11:09.760 feet. 01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:15.880 We received three letters of support from property owners within the district, four 01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:22.960 letters of opposition, three from within the district, and one from within the 200 foot 01:11:22.960 --> 01:11:24.280 boundary. 01:11:24.280 --> 01:11:30.000 Staff does recommend approval of the Denton Square District with the associated standards 01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:31.000 and guidelines. 01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:41.000 With that, I will stand for any questions. 01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:49.120 Right now, I have one card who wishes to speak on this item, and that is Mr. John Crew. 01:11:49.120 --> 01:12:00.960 Hello, thank you, my name is John Crew, I live in Denton at 141 Springtree Street, and 01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:07.400 I really, actually, I realize all the activities that's been going on with this, it's been 01:12:07.400 --> 01:12:11.800 very extensive, but I wanted to make a comment about the height restrictions. 01:12:11.800 --> 01:12:19.640 I do feel like a two-story height restriction is very restrictive, to use that word again, 01:12:19.640 --> 01:12:24.120 because there's already buildings that are three stories tall, like the Texas building, 01:12:24.120 --> 01:12:30.920 historically built in the 1800s, so I know the original concept of the square was inclusive 01:12:30.920 --> 01:12:36.200 of at least three story buildings, and later the Wells Fargo building was built, of course, 01:12:36.200 --> 01:12:40.240 with the requirement that it wasn't taller than the courthouse, and I'm not saying you 01:12:40.240 --> 01:12:47.600 need to go that tall, but I really would feel like three stories is more, basically, more 01:12:47.600 --> 01:12:48.600 ideal. 01:12:48.600 --> 01:12:52.480 It would allow for more residential in that area, where you have like the first floor 01:12:52.480 --> 01:12:56.880 commercial, maybe the second and third could be residential dwellings, if you're trying 01:12:56.880 --> 01:13:03.840 to promote the bringing in citizens to live in the downtown area, and all I was really 01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:10.680 here to talk about was the height restrictions, believing that two stories is too limiting 01:13:10.680 --> 01:13:14.880 to most development nowadays that might want, if something was to happen catastrophic and 01:13:14.880 --> 01:13:20.280 a building had to be rebuilt, that it couldn't be rebuilt with maybe residential spaces on 01:13:20.280 --> 01:13:26.120 the second and third floor, that's really all I have. 01:13:26.120 --> 01:13:31.440 Thank you for sharing your comments. 01:13:31.440 --> 01:13:35.160 Anyone else wishing to speak on this item? 01:13:35.160 --> 01:13:40.920 Sir, you can come to the mic, please. 01:13:40.920 --> 01:13:44.320 If you'll just state your name and address. 01:13:44.320 --> 01:13:51.600 Curtis Loveless, I own part of the building at 218 North Elm, which is partially included 01:13:51.600 --> 01:13:57.160 in the, or maybe totally included in the district, and I think there's one thing I note, they 01:13:57.160 --> 01:14:03.040 said there was one letter returned against, I know both the other owner and I returned 01:14:03.040 --> 01:14:11.400 against this, and we are in the district, so I'm not sure if somehow they weren't recorded, 01:14:11.400 --> 01:14:16.960 but I think that's fine if you want to do that on the square. 01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:19.920 Don't go off and include our building. 01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:21.800 We don't want to be in it. 01:14:21.800 --> 01:14:27.320 I don't see anything that I know of that would improve us. 01:14:27.320 --> 01:14:37.440 We improved that building 35 years ago and been sitting there since that time and continue 01:14:37.440 --> 01:14:44.120 to sit there, but we see no benefit to us and we see no reason why we should be included, 01:14:44.120 --> 01:14:48.920 and no one has ever come and talked to me about this project ever. 01:14:48.920 --> 01:14:56.240 So if we're included, I fail to understand why we weren't reached out to, and so that's 01:14:56.240 --> 01:15:01.120 basically what I have to say, if anybody's got a question, I'll answer it. 01:15:01.120 --> 01:15:02.120 Yes, sir. 01:15:02.120 --> 01:15:03.120 Commissioner Beck. 01:15:03.120 --> 01:15:04.120 Thank you, Vice Chair. 01:15:04.120 --> 01:15:07.120 Mr. Loveless, is that your name? 01:15:07.120 --> 01:15:08.120 Yes. 01:15:08.120 --> 01:15:09.120 Okay. 01:15:09.120 --> 01:15:10.120 218 North Elm? 01:15:10.120 --> 01:15:11.120 Right. 01:15:11.120 --> 01:15:12.120 What is that building? 01:15:12.120 --> 01:15:16.200 It's a law office with maroon awnings across from the old city hall. 01:15:16.200 --> 01:15:17.200 Okay. 01:15:17.200 --> 01:15:24.480 Is there something in the new standards here that's going to create problems for you particularly? 01:15:24.480 --> 01:15:25.480 I think it could. 01:15:25.480 --> 01:15:30.360 If you're limiting the access, we were told we could build up when we bought that. 01:15:30.360 --> 01:15:35.340 We have not done that, although we have talked about it over the years, but I don't want 01:15:35.340 --> 01:15:42.440 any object to any restrictions being placed on us arbitrarily because of something burning 01:15:42.440 --> 01:15:43.440 on the square. 01:15:43.440 --> 01:15:48.080 I have no problem if y'all want to control that and those people want to agree to it, 01:15:48.080 --> 01:15:50.160 but I don't want to be part of it. 01:15:50.160 --> 01:15:55.320 So you possibly could see yourself building something higher than two stories? 01:15:55.320 --> 01:15:56.320 We talked about it. 01:15:56.320 --> 01:16:03.160 We've had people approach us at times with some ideas, nothing that's ever gone up, but 01:16:03.160 --> 01:16:05.440 maybe three or so. 01:16:05.440 --> 01:16:06.440 Okay. 01:16:06.440 --> 01:16:08.440 And I apologize for the city that you didn't get any notice. 01:16:08.440 --> 01:16:12.640 I hope that's duly noted to the people that sent those out and that doesn't happen again. 01:16:12.640 --> 01:16:13.640 Thank you very much. 01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:14.640 Thank you. 01:16:14.640 --> 01:16:15.640 Commissioner Parnetto? 01:16:15.640 --> 01:16:16.640 Yeah. 01:16:16.640 --> 01:16:17.640 I just wanted to clarify. 01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:20.000 So right now you have a one-story building, correct? 01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:21.000 Right. 01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:22.000 Okay. 01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:27.320 And based on what I'm reading, and if I could get staff to clarify, Sean, the building in 01:16:27.320 --> 01:16:33.960 question, he does have the ability to go up to three stories, is that correct? 01:16:33.960 --> 01:16:35.320 Okay. 01:16:35.320 --> 01:16:37.280 Scott McDonald, Director of Development Services. 01:16:37.280 --> 01:16:42.140 Just a couple of corrections that there were four letters of opposition, and I believe 01:16:42.140 --> 01:16:47.360 Mr. Loveless's letter of opposition was one of those four. 01:16:47.360 --> 01:16:53.060 Number two, I believe that that building is between McKinney. 01:16:53.060 --> 01:16:54.400 Is that on McKinney? 01:16:54.400 --> 01:16:55.400 Between McKinney and McConn. 01:16:55.400 --> 01:17:03.100 It places M. McKinney's on the north side, and is it McConn on the south, I'm not sure. 01:17:03.100 --> 01:17:05.440 And it's a parking lot to the south, correct? 01:17:05.440 --> 01:17:10.740 We have parking on both sides of the building and the building in the middle. 01:17:10.740 --> 01:17:15.160 And I'm happy to visit offline, but I don't believe that these standards do apply to that 01:17:15.160 --> 01:17:16.680 building in any way. 01:17:16.680 --> 01:17:17.680 So just -- 01:17:17.680 --> 01:17:18.680 Thank you. 01:17:18.680 --> 01:17:25.040 If that's the commitment, then I'm going to sit down. 01:17:25.040 --> 01:17:26.040 Yes. 01:17:26.040 --> 01:17:29.240 And I just wanted to clarify, because based on the map that we're seeing, and I don't 01:17:29.240 --> 01:17:37.640 know if we can get that up anywhere, the U would be -- this is right here, right? 01:17:37.640 --> 01:17:38.640 Yeah. 01:17:38.640 --> 01:17:43.380 The new building height would be a minimum of two stories in height if you were to build 01:17:43.380 --> 01:17:45.640 in a maximum of three. 01:17:45.640 --> 01:17:47.760 So you could go up to three, as you mentioned. 01:17:47.760 --> 01:17:48.760 That's us right there. 01:17:48.760 --> 01:17:49.760 Based on my -- 01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:50.760 Okay. 01:17:50.760 --> 01:17:51.760 Well, that's fine. 01:17:51.760 --> 01:17:52.760 He's -- 01:17:52.760 --> 01:17:53.760 Clarified. 01:17:53.760 --> 01:18:08.440 His building is right here, and the -- it only applies to those buildings that are on the 01:18:08.440 --> 01:18:09.440 street. 01:18:09.440 --> 01:18:13.160 So it would not apply to this building. 01:18:13.160 --> 01:18:14.160 Okay. 01:18:14.160 --> 01:18:19.720 And, again, he's addressed off of Elm, and his frontage is on Elm. 01:18:19.720 --> 01:18:20.720 So -- 01:18:20.720 --> 01:18:25.720 Can we just put that on the -- on the sky? 01:18:25.720 --> 01:18:37.200 Because based on what I'm seeing, his building is actually the big red block. 01:18:37.200 --> 01:18:38.200 Is that correct? 01:18:38.200 --> 01:18:39.200 Yeah. 01:18:39.200 --> 01:18:40.200 I believe it's the big red block. 01:18:40.200 --> 01:18:42.240 There's two red blocks, and I think yours is the large one. 01:18:42.240 --> 01:18:43.240 Correct? 01:18:43.240 --> 01:18:44.240 Is that your building? 01:18:44.240 --> 01:18:45.240 That's a corner. 01:18:45.240 --> 01:18:46.240 Yes. 01:18:46.240 --> 01:18:47.240 Yeah. 01:18:47.240 --> 01:18:58.960 That, I believe, also -- the red block includes part of Mr. Byneton in the small red. 01:18:58.960 --> 01:18:59.960 Yeah. 01:18:59.960 --> 01:19:00.960 Oh, I'm sorry. 01:19:00.960 --> 01:19:02.960 Can you open up the screen? 01:19:02.960 --> 01:19:03.960 Yeah. 01:19:03.960 --> 01:19:07.560 And that was most likely my error in not looking more closely at where the line felt that you're 01:19:07.560 --> 01:19:12.880 actually addressed off of Elm, and so out of a desire to notify fully -- 01:19:12.880 --> 01:19:13.880 Yeah. 01:19:13.880 --> 01:19:17.200 Do you want that back up on the screen? 01:19:17.200 --> 01:19:18.200 Yeah. 01:19:18.200 --> 01:19:22.240 I mean, there's further discussion that people at home might want to see, but -- 01:19:22.240 --> 01:19:23.240 Do you want to let them know? 01:19:23.240 --> 01:19:24.240 We just say -- 01:19:24.240 --> 01:19:25.240 Okay. 01:19:25.240 --> 01:19:26.240 Can we go ahead and get that view back from the eyes guy? 01:19:26.240 --> 01:19:27.240 Thanks, Mike. 01:19:27.240 --> 01:19:28.240 Okay. 01:19:28.240 --> 01:19:42.880 This property question, which is -- I believe the big square block is ours, and I'm not sure 01:19:42.880 --> 01:19:46.080 about the smaller red block. 01:19:46.080 --> 01:19:51.760 If it, for some reason, doesn't go through on our alleyway, it's a drive-through that 01:19:51.760 --> 01:19:55.160 we made, or that may be part of Mr. Byneton's. 01:19:55.160 --> 01:19:56.160 I can't tell. 01:19:56.160 --> 01:19:57.160 Yes, sir. 01:19:57.160 --> 01:19:58.160 Okay. 01:19:58.160 --> 01:19:59.160 That is his separate objection letter. 01:19:59.160 --> 01:20:00.160 Okay. 01:20:00.160 --> 01:20:01.160 Yes, sir. 01:20:01.160 --> 01:20:02.160 Okay. 01:20:02.160 --> 01:20:03.160 Yes, sir. 01:20:03.160 --> 01:20:07.480 And I know, sir, that staff would be happy to discuss this further with you as well. 01:20:07.480 --> 01:20:11.520 Staff would be happy to discuss your particular property with you as well. 01:20:11.520 --> 01:20:12.520 Okay. 01:20:12.520 --> 01:20:13.520 Thank you very much. 01:20:13.520 --> 01:20:14.520 All right. 01:20:14.520 --> 01:20:15.520 Thank you. 01:20:15.520 --> 01:20:17.520 Commissioner Back, did you have more to add? 01:20:17.520 --> 01:20:18.520 No. 01:20:18.520 --> 01:20:19.520 Let's see if staff can work it out. 01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:26.760 I guess my concern was that one diagram showed that on Pecan Street there, cuts right across 01:20:26.760 --> 01:20:27.760 the mill there. 01:20:27.760 --> 01:20:33.840 So I guess what I'm hearing is if the address is on McKinney, that doesn't affect that building, 01:20:33.840 --> 01:20:34.840 correct? 01:20:34.840 --> 01:20:35.840 Yeah. 01:20:35.840 --> 01:20:38.400 That building is then not fronting on that, what we call the Mew Street. 01:20:38.400 --> 01:20:39.400 Yes. 01:20:39.400 --> 01:20:40.400 Pecan. 01:20:40.400 --> 01:20:41.400 Which is Pecan. 01:20:41.400 --> 01:20:42.400 Okay. 01:20:42.400 --> 01:20:43.400 Great. 01:20:43.400 --> 01:20:44.400 Thanks. 01:20:44.400 --> 01:20:45.400 Okay. 01:20:45.400 --> 01:20:46.400 This is a public hearing. 01:20:46.400 --> 01:20:47.400 Anyone else wishing to speak on this item? 01:20:47.400 --> 01:20:48.400 Okay. 01:20:48.400 --> 01:20:55.560 Seeing none, I will close the public hearing and open the floor for a motion or a further 01:20:55.560 --> 01:20:56.560 discussion. 01:20:56.560 --> 01:20:57.560 Okay. 01:20:57.560 --> 01:20:58.560 Commissioner Smith. 01:20:58.560 --> 01:21:01.560 Make a motion to approve. 01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:02.560 Commissioner Sanchez? 01:21:02.560 --> 01:21:03.560 I second. 01:21:03.560 --> 01:21:04.560 Okay. 01:21:04.560 --> 01:21:09.680 We have a motion on the floor to approve. 01:21:09.680 --> 01:21:10.680 Any discussion? 01:21:10.680 --> 01:21:11.680 Okay. 01:21:11.680 --> 01:21:16.200 I will just take a quick moment to commend staff on this. 01:21:16.200 --> 01:21:20.180 I think this has been very thoughtful, a very patient process. 01:21:20.180 --> 01:21:23.060 This was brought up a long time ago. 01:21:23.060 --> 01:21:25.120 They've reached out extensively. 01:21:25.120 --> 01:21:26.880 They've gotten great feedback. 01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:33.340 They've made changes and I think this is something that our city does need. 01:21:33.340 --> 01:21:36.520 So thank you to all involved there. 01:21:36.520 --> 01:21:47.560 With that, I'll call for a vote on the board. 01:21:47.560 --> 01:21:52.400 Motion carries 6-0. 01:21:52.400 --> 01:22:00.400 That will move us to our item I that we are taking out of order. 01:22:00.400 --> 01:22:07.800 And with that, I will call up Ron Manjita for presentation and open the public hearing. 01:22:07.800 --> 01:22:26.760 Item I. Thank you, Madam Chair, members of the commission. 01:22:26.760 --> 01:22:34.040 We are going to talk about item I, but before we get into it, I just want to just quickly 01:22:34.040 --> 01:22:38.800 go over the proposal. 01:22:38.800 --> 01:22:43.840 We are bringing forward to the Applying Zoning Commission and ultimately the City Council 01:22:43.840 --> 01:22:51.320 city initiative re-zonings and how we got here is that we consider, the City Council 01:22:51.320 --> 01:22:57.960 considered the development code, which includes a transition chart and that transition chart 01:22:57.960 --> 01:23:02.640 basically carried forward a transition forward existing zoning districts to what the new 01:23:02.640 --> 01:23:07.520 line of zoning districts are in the development code. 01:23:07.520 --> 01:23:13.440 With that, there are some areas that were transitioned to zoning districts that created 01:23:13.440 --> 01:23:18.640 some non-conformity or just does not fit the area, not suitable for the area and therefore 01:23:18.640 --> 01:23:25.440 we are bringing forward some city initiative re-zonings to help address those transition 01:23:25.440 --> 01:23:26.440 zonings. 01:23:26.440 --> 01:23:30.780 And we chose those areas primarily with the following criteria that you see here. 01:23:30.780 --> 01:23:37.000 We started with the I-35 corridor and we will be making our way up through I-35, eventually 01:23:37.000 --> 01:23:42.640 US-380, the loop and other areas within the core of the city. 01:23:42.640 --> 01:23:50.440 Again, trying to address existing uses, their non-conformity, if there are any, while protecting 01:23:50.440 --> 01:23:53.200 our residential neighborhoods. 01:23:53.200 --> 01:23:58.960 We talked about, again, special specific areas or corridors. 01:23:58.960 --> 01:24:04.680 We heard from the public and some of those public comments we are using in our analysis 01:24:04.680 --> 01:24:10.240 or evaluation, looking at the land use element and the future land use map and of course 01:24:10.240 --> 01:24:14.640 if it's a regional community or neighborhood draw. 01:24:14.640 --> 01:24:21.080 The areas that we're looking at are shown here, starting with area one from the southern 01:24:21.080 --> 01:24:29.440 city limits all the way up to 24, which is Fort Worth Drive, but as opened by Madam Chair, 01:24:29.440 --> 01:24:35.440 we're going to start with area eight and from there we'll continue with the other areas. 01:24:35.440 --> 01:24:38.320 So with that, area eight. 01:24:38.320 --> 01:24:49.520 Area eight is proposed to go from RCR-2, regional center two, residential two that is, and regional 01:24:49.520 --> 01:24:55.600 center commercial neighborhood RCCN to HC, highway corridor. 01:24:55.600 --> 01:25:00.800 The area is approximately 8.49 acres, containing eight parcels. 01:25:00.800 --> 01:25:09.200 That contains a number of uses, a automotive fuel sales in the form of Chevron, restaurant 01:25:09.200 --> 01:25:10.200 uses. 01:25:10.200 --> 01:25:17.400 We've got Old West Cafe, Fuzzy Tacos, Chili's Grill and Bar, as well as a Goodwill retail 01:25:17.400 --> 01:25:20.120 store in the shopping center. 01:25:20.120 --> 01:25:27.520 There's also, I believe, a trampoline facility as well as other non-residential uses, restaurants 01:25:27.520 --> 01:25:35.160 and the like that are within this shopping center, the Southridge Village Shopping Center. 01:25:35.160 --> 01:25:40.800 Staff is proposing an HC, highway corridor, and primarily the consideration here, the 01:25:40.800 --> 01:25:44.240 findings is that it is along I-35. 01:25:44.240 --> 01:25:50.960 The existing uses already that are allowed there are consistent with the highway corridor 01:25:50.960 --> 01:25:53.000 zoning district. 01:25:53.000 --> 01:26:01.000 And again, just to reiterate that this shopping center, all of the area here, as far as access 01:26:01.000 --> 01:26:06.600 and frontage, building orientation, all are towards I-35. 01:26:06.600 --> 01:26:12.960 And again, that's the primary reason why staff is recommending an HC, highway corridor for 01:26:12.960 --> 01:26:14.340 this area. 01:26:14.340 --> 01:26:21.320 Staff has not received any responses either in opposition or in favor as of this afternoon. 01:26:21.320 --> 01:26:25.960 Staff is recommending approval and that concludes my presentation and I will be happy to answer 01:26:25.960 --> 01:26:26.960 any questions. 01:26:26.960 --> 01:26:30.560 >> I don't see any at this time, Ron. 01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:31.560 Thank you. 01:26:31.560 --> 01:26:36.880 Right now I do have two cards on this item. 01:26:36.880 --> 01:26:43.120 So Mr. Jerry Drake would like to speak in opposition. 01:26:43.120 --> 01:26:45.640 >> Good evening. 01:26:45.640 --> 01:26:49.400 Thank you for your patience and understanding while I come up here. 01:26:49.400 --> 01:26:55.880 I'm coming as a private citizen and a homeowner and a taxpayer and that's why Mr. Collister 01:26:55.880 --> 01:27:02.640 agreed to fill my seat there up at the dais with you. 01:27:02.640 --> 01:27:07.440 And I just want to make sure that it's thoroughly understood, I'm not going to try to advise 01:27:07.440 --> 01:27:13.880 you in any way on the legalities of this or comment on that whatsoever. 01:27:13.880 --> 01:27:21.360 But as I understand it, the point of the city initiated rezoning is to address a few items 01:27:21.360 --> 01:27:22.360 here. 01:27:22.360 --> 01:27:24.920 One of them is to address annexed but unzoned land. 01:27:24.920 --> 01:27:26.400 That doesn't apply here. 01:27:26.400 --> 01:27:28.680 We've been zoned for some time. 01:27:28.680 --> 01:27:31.360 One is to update to reflect the vision of the city. 01:27:31.360 --> 01:27:37.240 Well, I think this has been here for a very long time and I don't see that the vision 01:27:37.240 --> 01:27:40.000 of the city has changed. 01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:44.720 Another is to address split zoning across parcel lines. 01:27:44.720 --> 01:27:45.720 That's not the case here. 01:27:45.720 --> 01:27:49.280 Any split zoning is following parcel lines. 01:27:49.280 --> 01:27:56.320 And then finally, to legitimize legally nonconforming uses. 01:27:56.320 --> 01:28:03.200 As the staff report points out, all of the existing uses are illegally conforming and 01:28:03.200 --> 01:28:07.040 nothing in this rezoning would legitimize anything. 01:28:07.040 --> 01:28:12.640 It wouldn't accomplish anything with regard to any existing uses. 01:28:12.640 --> 01:28:17.400 So let me take you back to April 10th, 2019. 01:28:17.400 --> 01:28:26.080 And I was up here with all of you that day when we were talking about the citywide rezoning. 01:28:26.080 --> 01:28:36.640 And there were people lined up outside the building to come and talk about this and to 01:28:36.640 --> 01:28:37.920 be heard. 01:28:37.920 --> 01:28:45.780 And what happened was that they were directed to talk to staff and be reassured that their 01:28:45.780 --> 01:28:50.000 existing zoning and the zonings of their neighbors really wasn't going to change materially. 01:28:50.000 --> 01:28:53.200 It was just going to get a new name. 01:28:53.200 --> 01:28:57.760 And so if I could have the overhead cam here. 01:28:57.760 --> 01:29:02.700 This is what was presented as a draft zoning map to the Planning and Zoning Commission. 01:29:02.700 --> 01:29:06.960 This is what you approved on April 10th. 01:29:06.960 --> 01:29:15.360 And as you can see there, there's primarily the R7 that's shown in brown was on the proposed 01:29:15.360 --> 01:29:24.200 zoning map and then the purple was some kind of an RCC use. 01:29:24.200 --> 01:29:27.680 I don't remember exactly what it was. 01:29:27.680 --> 01:29:35.560 But that's what people were assured was going to be coming out of the citywide rezoning. 01:29:35.560 --> 01:29:44.920 Again, when it went to council on April 23rd, it was the same proposed zoning that went 01:29:44.920 --> 01:29:46.280 forward. 01:29:46.280 --> 01:29:51.760 And I don't believe that there was anybody from our neighborhood that came up to object 01:29:51.760 --> 01:29:52.760 to that. 01:29:52.760 --> 01:29:54.120 They didn't see that as any kind of a problem. 01:29:54.120 --> 01:29:58.240 It's certainly no worse than anything that we have. 01:29:58.240 --> 01:30:02.320 What you can see is our neighborhood is right here in the yellow. 01:30:02.320 --> 01:30:05.640 That little white dot there is about where I live. 01:30:05.640 --> 01:30:15.160 And if you go to the future land use map that was referred to in the backup, it's showing 01:30:15.160 --> 01:30:18.520 that it's in a regional mixed use district. 01:30:18.520 --> 01:30:23.920 But what's being proposed as a highway corridor is highly industrial zoning classification. 01:30:23.920 --> 01:30:29.120 It's one of the most intense zoning classifications in the city. 01:30:29.120 --> 01:30:34.760 And I don't really know that it can be fairly characterized as mixed use. 01:30:34.760 --> 01:30:45.120 Is that really what is contemplated by a mixed use zoning to have this very intense industrial 01:30:45.120 --> 01:30:46.800 use? 01:30:46.800 --> 01:30:54.240 If it is, then is it legitimate for it to extend into these residential areas? 01:30:54.240 --> 01:31:02.200 May I just quickly go through the differences that we see that we find problematic? 01:31:02.200 --> 01:31:04.000 Can you do it quickly? 01:31:04.000 --> 01:31:05.360 I sure can. 01:31:05.360 --> 01:31:06.360 Okay. 01:31:06.360 --> 01:31:13.240 Canals, RV parks, industrial laundries, building supplies, auto fuel that could include truck 01:31:13.240 --> 01:31:18.800 stops perhaps, auto repair major and minor, auto sales and leasing, equipment sales and 01:31:18.800 --> 01:31:28.320 rentals, travel plazas with an SUP, sexually oriented businesses, outdoor storage, hazardous 01:31:28.320 --> 01:31:35.240 materials, warehouses, feedlots, slaughterhouses, meat packaging, food processing, low, medium 01:31:35.240 --> 01:31:41.320 and high manufacturing, commercial incinerators and solid waste transfer stations. 01:31:41.320 --> 01:31:45.520 Again, none of this is necessary. 01:31:45.520 --> 01:31:50.240 Not speaking to you as a lawyer, but if this is up zoned in this fashion, you're not going 01:31:50.240 --> 01:31:55.880 to get it back unless you pay to down zone it back. 01:31:55.880 --> 01:31:57.560 And that's the problem. 01:31:57.560 --> 01:32:05.080 Why not wait for somebody to come up with a use that needs some kind of change zoning 01:32:05.080 --> 01:32:07.400 and then consider an overlay of some kind? 01:32:07.400 --> 01:32:08.400 Thank you. 01:32:08.400 --> 01:32:09.400 Thank you, Mr. Bates. 01:32:09.400 --> 01:32:10.400 We do have a question. 01:32:10.400 --> 01:32:11.400 Commissioner Smith. 01:32:11.400 --> 01:32:12.400 Thank you, Chair. 01:32:12.400 --> 01:32:18.920 I just have a question for staff. 01:32:18.920 --> 01:32:22.040 Yes, sir. 01:32:22.040 --> 01:32:27.440 Just to recap on the presentation you gave, there wasn't a change for nonconforming use 01:32:27.440 --> 01:32:28.440 type deal. 01:32:28.440 --> 01:32:31.640 It seemed like in most of these other presentations we saw that it was the requested zoning was 01:32:31.640 --> 01:32:36.080 because of it was a nonconforming use currently in that area that wasn't conforming to the 01:32:36.080 --> 01:32:37.720 zoning that was being changed. 01:32:37.720 --> 01:32:39.720 That's one of the criteria, yes. 01:32:39.720 --> 01:32:40.720 Okay. 01:32:40.720 --> 01:32:44.440 I don't think I saw that highlighted actually in this area eight. 01:32:44.440 --> 01:32:47.160 No, there is none that-- 01:32:47.160 --> 01:32:49.800 Is the request just because it's fronting on I-35? 01:32:49.800 --> 01:32:54.640 Fronting and again, yes, that's one of the major characteristics. 01:32:54.640 --> 01:33:01.000 Of course, the future land use map and the land use element talks to this being as a 01:33:01.000 --> 01:33:04.160 mixed use center. 01:33:04.160 --> 01:33:09.080 Of course, I-35 is a big major factor in making this recommendation. 01:33:09.080 --> 01:33:10.080 Okay. 01:33:10.080 --> 01:33:14.400 And then after, so what Mr. Drake had presented was that it was, it went through and then 01:33:14.400 --> 01:33:21.320 been voted on in city council as a combination of RCCN and R7 or what was it? 01:33:21.320 --> 01:33:22.320 Could you clarify, maybe? 01:33:22.320 --> 01:33:23.320 Sure. 01:33:23.320 --> 01:33:24.320 Sure. 01:33:24.320 --> 01:33:25.320 Is it split zoned? 01:33:25.320 --> 01:33:26.320 Is that right? 01:33:26.320 --> 01:33:29.560 The property is actually currently split zoned per the transition chart. 01:33:29.560 --> 01:33:34.000 When I say property, the area, not necessarily the parcel, so it doesn't really qualify 01:33:34.000 --> 01:33:35.000 as a split zoning. 01:33:35.000 --> 01:33:43.520 It does have two zoning districts in that it has RCR1 and RCR, I'm sorry, RCR2, sorry, 01:33:43.520 --> 01:33:44.520 and RCCN. 01:33:44.520 --> 01:33:45.520 Okay. 01:33:45.520 --> 01:33:47.520 So there's two zoning districts within this area. 01:33:47.520 --> 01:33:48.520 Okay. 01:33:48.520 --> 01:33:52.640 And without having to pull up the transition map, what is the zoning just beneath Highway 01:33:52.640 --> 01:33:53.640 Corridor? 01:33:53.640 --> 01:33:54.640 It's zone MN. 01:33:54.640 --> 01:33:55.640 MN. 01:33:55.640 --> 01:34:03.600 This is the, sorry, I want this one. 01:34:03.600 --> 01:34:12.240 The property between the shopping center and the existing residential subdivision is zoned 01:34:12.240 --> 01:34:20.040 as part of the transition chart as MN, mixed use neighborhood. 01:34:20.040 --> 01:34:30.840 Mr. Drake, I did have a question for you in your discussion point. 01:34:30.840 --> 01:34:38.600 So with this transition, it's with the way the table transitioned, did you have a zone 01:34:38.600 --> 01:34:44.760 classification that you wanted to see here in your discussion, or? 01:34:44.760 --> 01:34:50.280 Well, you know, my understanding, and I've got a copy of the zoning district transition 01:34:50.280 --> 01:34:59.160 chart here, RCR1, RCR2 shows to transition to MN and not Highway Corridor. 01:34:59.160 --> 01:35:04.760 CMG and CME show to translate to Highway Corridor. 01:35:04.760 --> 01:35:12.440 And I know that back when we had our original discussions about this, I didn't consider 01:35:12.440 --> 01:35:21.000 that to be horribly offensive to have MN, more or less, in the front facing the highway 01:35:21.000 --> 01:35:32.840 and R7 as a buffer between that use and our residential use of R3. 01:35:32.840 --> 01:35:36.160 Thank you. 01:35:36.160 --> 01:35:38.720 Okay. 01:35:38.720 --> 01:35:43.260 Is there a card on this item, Billy Casper? 01:35:43.260 --> 01:35:47.920 Hi there. 01:35:47.920 --> 01:35:50.560 You don't have marked on the card in support or opposition. 01:35:50.560 --> 01:35:53.320 I don't want it changed. 01:35:53.320 --> 01:35:54.320 Okay. 01:35:54.320 --> 01:35:55.320 Thank you. 01:35:55.320 --> 01:35:56.320 Definitely. 01:35:56.320 --> 01:35:57.320 I'm Billy Anne Casper. 01:35:57.320 --> 01:36:00.880 I'm president of the homeowners of South Ridge Estates. 01:36:00.880 --> 01:36:05.480 I live in 2816 South Ridge Rd. 01:36:05.480 --> 01:36:06.480 Thank you. 01:36:06.480 --> 01:36:14.100 I was here in fuss when you all did the transition area that Jerry talked about, but we have 01:36:14.100 --> 01:36:19.600 objections to you all changing it to a highway corridor, no telling what we could get up 01:36:19.600 --> 01:36:20.600 there. 01:36:20.600 --> 01:36:28.000 The South side has already gotten so much commercial now, and you're just destroying 01:36:28.000 --> 01:36:30.160 our property values. 01:36:30.160 --> 01:36:35.600 We've already got a Buc-Ease at our back of our neighborhood, and now we could get just 01:36:35.600 --> 01:36:39.200 anything up there in front of us. 01:36:39.200 --> 01:36:40.720 I didn't receive a notice. 01:36:40.720 --> 01:36:47.200 I guess I'm more than 500 feet, but I can assure you that if this goes further, by the 01:36:47.200 --> 01:36:53.920 time we get to council, I'll knock on every door in my neighborhood and try to beseech 01:36:53.920 --> 01:36:58.560 you people to leave it as it is. 01:36:58.560 --> 01:37:01.960 We have enough commercial. 01:37:01.960 --> 01:37:08.480 On another subject, please, all this changes to apartments, apartments, apartments. 01:37:08.480 --> 01:37:12.200 We don't have the roads for all these things, and everybody keeps saying let's build another 01:37:12.200 --> 01:37:13.200 apartment. 01:37:13.200 --> 01:37:19.240 If you all are out on the roads, you know we're dying from it, but my main concern right 01:37:19.240 --> 01:37:24.200 now is please leave it just as it is. 01:37:24.200 --> 01:37:25.920 It's commercial. 01:37:25.920 --> 01:37:30.760 It doesn't need to be highway corridor because we could get all sorts of things, and I thank 01:37:30.760 --> 01:37:31.760 you. 01:37:31.760 --> 01:37:34.080 I have a question for you, Commissioner Pernetto. 01:37:34.080 --> 01:37:40.800 I just wanted to clarify with staff, because looking at the transition that we have right 01:37:40.800 --> 01:37:47.880 now, based on everything that's in there, I'm not really seeing the potential for there 01:37:47.880 --> 01:37:51.720 being any advantage to go into highway corridor. 01:37:51.720 --> 01:37:55.960 Knowing what's in there right now, we have restaurants, we allow restaurants, we allow 01:37:55.960 --> 01:38:03.240 alcohol sales, we allow a gas station and things like that. 01:38:03.240 --> 01:38:10.080 Somebody bought up the sexually oriented businesses, I don't see that being admissible to either 01:38:10.080 --> 01:38:11.080 one. 01:38:11.080 --> 01:38:15.800 A special exemption, I mean, you know, we just like to protect ourselves. 01:38:15.800 --> 01:38:23.000 But it actually can't, that one actually can't go in an HC, but I'm just kind of curious 01:38:23.000 --> 01:38:29.760 as to, and I guess Commissioner Smith kind of bought it up, we are simply doing this 01:38:29.760 --> 01:38:33.760 because it's along the highway, because right now everything that's in there and everything 01:38:33.760 --> 01:38:37.720 that's kind of set up to go in there would seem to make sense with maintaining this as 01:38:37.720 --> 01:38:42.640 an MN. 01:38:42.640 --> 01:38:47.720 That is the Commissioner's opinion. 01:38:47.720 --> 01:38:53.840 We certainly are recommending HC again, primarily that it's along I-35. 01:38:53.840 --> 01:39:00.400 You're actually correct, the uses that are there now are permitted in the MR and MN, 01:39:00.400 --> 01:39:10.520 so remember, there's two zoning districts that are in play, let me bring this up. 01:39:10.520 --> 01:39:16.720 The property has MR along the front and then has MN in these areas here. 01:39:16.720 --> 01:39:23.320 So we were trying to consolidate these zoning districts into one, and again, one of the 01:39:23.320 --> 01:39:27.880 reasons along I-35, we went to HC, but this is what we have today. 01:39:27.880 --> 01:39:32.880 They're both MR and MN as it is currently per the transition chart. 01:39:32.880 --> 01:39:36.640 So just out of curiosity, because I don't see it up there, I don't remember it off the 01:39:36.640 --> 01:39:42.560 top of my head, right across the street or across the highway from that, basically the 01:39:42.560 --> 01:39:48.940 businesses and everything that's in it looks fairly close in terms of their character, 01:39:48.940 --> 01:39:55.800 what are we putting in that center that's got the Burger King and the restaurants across 01:39:55.800 --> 01:39:56.800 the way? 01:39:56.800 --> 01:40:05.560 That's currently MR, if I'm not mistaken, MR, yes, makes use of regional. 01:40:05.560 --> 01:40:06.560 Okay. 01:40:06.560 --> 01:40:07.560 That's all I've got. 01:40:07.560 --> 01:40:08.560 Okay. 01:40:08.560 --> 01:40:09.560 Commissioner Smith. 01:40:09.560 --> 01:40:10.560 Thank you, Chair. 01:40:10.560 --> 01:40:15.720 Mr. Drake brought up the sexually oriented businesses, the right, you know, the print 01:40:15.720 --> 01:40:21.520 date and May 10th code that we have shows that the sexual oriented business is not allowed 01:40:21.520 --> 01:40:24.360 in HC nor is it allowed in MN or MN. 01:40:24.360 --> 01:40:28.120 It's really only allowed with a special use permit in HI, just to confirm, correct? 01:40:28.120 --> 01:40:32.560 So there is no worry that even if we did approve it as HC, there is no sexually oriented business 01:40:32.560 --> 01:40:33.560 allowed in HC. 01:40:33.560 --> 01:40:35.720 And I believe it's with a specific use permit in the HI. 01:40:35.720 --> 01:40:39.400 In the HI only, not in HC, which is not what we're voting on. 01:40:39.400 --> 01:40:40.880 We're voting on HC, correct? 01:40:40.880 --> 01:40:41.880 Correct. 01:40:41.880 --> 01:40:43.360 It's HC Highway Corridor. 01:40:43.360 --> 01:40:45.000 Thank you. 01:40:45.000 --> 01:40:46.400 Thank you. 01:40:46.400 --> 01:40:49.280 This is a public hearing. 01:40:49.280 --> 01:40:57.040 I don't have any other cards here, but anyone else wishing to speak on this item? 01:40:57.040 --> 01:41:00.880 Seeing none, I will close the public hearing and open the floor for discussion. 01:41:00.880 --> 01:41:01.880 Richard. 01:41:01.880 --> 01:41:06.160 If I just may add a little bit of, a little bit more background into this. 01:41:06.160 --> 01:41:11.320 I think one thing, it's important to note that one of the main differences between MN 01:41:11.320 --> 01:41:18.040 and MR to HC in MN and MR, multifamily is permitted by right. 01:41:18.040 --> 01:41:19.920 It's a P plus. 01:41:19.920 --> 01:41:23.640 Multifamily within the HC requires an SGP. 01:41:23.640 --> 01:41:27.200 And so I just wanted to also bring that up because I think it's worth noting and that 01:41:27.200 --> 01:41:31.880 was also part of that, part of that decision making and looking at our commercial areas 01:41:31.880 --> 01:41:37.480 and the possibility of it converting to multifamily in the future. 01:41:37.480 --> 01:41:40.080 Thank you, Richard. 01:41:40.080 --> 01:41:41.080 Commissioner Beck. 01:41:41.080 --> 01:41:43.880 Thank you, Vice Chair. 01:41:43.880 --> 01:41:51.200 Looking at HC, I understand the concern of the nearby neighborhoods in a more intense 01:41:51.200 --> 01:41:59.000 area, but looking at what's going in HC, slaughterhouses aren't allowed. 01:41:59.000 --> 01:42:05.920 Both high and medium impact manufacturing isn't allowed, low impact is and when we look 01:42:05.920 --> 01:42:13.040 at the definitions of that, that's something that could exist in an area like this. 01:42:13.040 --> 01:42:18.560 So I'm not sure, you know, if we were talking about light industrial or heavy industrial, 01:42:18.560 --> 01:42:20.960 yeah, obviously we wouldn't set that up over there. 01:42:20.960 --> 01:42:26.600 But Highway Corridor may intimate that there's going to be a lot of heavy duty stuff that's 01:42:26.600 --> 01:42:31.000 going to be negatively impacting neighborhoods, but it's not real obvious when we look at 01:42:31.000 --> 01:42:34.320 what actually is allowed and not allowed. 01:42:34.320 --> 01:42:48.040 So put a great big car lot up there. 01:42:48.040 --> 01:42:51.960 I mean, there's things in here that, I mean, we've already got enough commercial. 01:42:51.960 --> 01:42:57.200 Theoretically, you could, but basically, what's their restrict? 01:42:57.200 --> 01:43:01.040 Commissioner, did you have a question for him? 01:43:01.040 --> 01:43:02.040 Yes. 01:43:02.040 --> 01:43:05.920 We don't want a discussion as much as a question if you want to take a discussion. 01:43:05.920 --> 01:43:07.880 You're correct, Vice Chair. 01:43:07.880 --> 01:43:09.320 And I do understand the concern. 01:43:09.320 --> 01:43:17.160 I think, you know, my response to something that might be upsetting there is probably 01:43:17.160 --> 01:43:22.760 less likely to go in based on what's there now. 01:43:22.760 --> 01:43:27.840 Some things, I was trying to find SUPs, so if there was something really disruptive, we'd 01:43:27.840 --> 01:43:31.480 have a right to look at it through an SUP, but there weren't a lot of those. 01:43:31.480 --> 01:43:34.520 But I'm kind of torn between the two. 01:43:34.520 --> 01:43:36.320 I think HC would work. 01:43:36.320 --> 01:43:43.360 I don't see it being the threat to the neighborhood that's being expressed here, but just the 01:43:43.360 --> 01:43:48.840 concept itself can probably be a little intimidating, I understand that, too. 01:43:48.840 --> 01:43:55.640 I suspect I will go with this, but I'm willing to hear the rest of the commission's opinion 01:43:55.640 --> 01:43:56.640 on this. 01:43:56.640 --> 01:43:57.640 Thank you. 01:43:57.640 --> 01:43:58.640 Thank you, Commissioner Beck. 01:43:58.640 --> 01:44:02.800 I just wanted to say a couple words. 01:44:02.800 --> 01:44:07.760 There is merit for the discussion on this corner, and here's why, I think. 01:44:07.760 --> 01:44:09.440 It isn't just simply a parcel. 01:44:09.440 --> 01:44:11.600 I think that fronts I-35. 01:44:11.600 --> 01:44:16.200 What we have to look at is the rest of it and what's around it. 01:44:16.200 --> 01:44:18.400 The loop's even called something different on that side. 01:44:18.400 --> 01:44:23.920 It's called Lillian Miller because it changes from what that other side of 35 is going up 01:44:23.920 --> 01:44:24.920 the loop. 01:44:24.920 --> 01:44:33.800 It's very densely populated in that area, so I think there's definitely room for discussion 01:44:33.800 --> 01:44:44.360 on, perhaps, Highway Corridor on this corner doesn't quite fit the surrounding. 01:44:44.360 --> 01:44:50.000 What is the corner across Lillian Miller from this parcel? 01:44:50.000 --> 01:44:51.520 There's a jack in the box there. 01:44:51.520 --> 01:44:56.000 There's a failing strip center. 01:44:56.000 --> 01:44:57.000 Looks like it's MN. 01:44:57.000 --> 01:45:06.760 I'm not sure why we would propose something different on this corner that we're discussing. 01:45:06.760 --> 01:45:10.520 That's a thought that I'm having right now. 01:45:10.520 --> 01:45:11.520 Commissioner Pernetto. 01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:17.640 Yeah, and I just kind of wanted to echo that sentiment. 01:45:17.640 --> 01:45:25.480 Ron, as long as you're up there, the area that's immediately behind that, that's all 01:45:25.480 --> 01:45:27.960 single-family houses, correct? 01:45:27.960 --> 01:45:29.680 Immediately behind the shopping center. 01:45:29.680 --> 01:45:35.360 There is this parcel here, that's MN, and then there's this parcel here is also MN. 01:45:35.360 --> 01:45:42.320 I believe this is currently occupied by an assisted living facility, and then the south, 01:45:42.320 --> 01:45:46.880 directly south of the shopping center, is currently undeveloped. 01:45:46.880 --> 01:45:53.440 With the assisted living facility, then that would fall closer into, once again, what we're 01:45:53.440 --> 01:45:59.120 looking at for an MR or an MN. 01:45:59.120 --> 01:46:00.120 That's all I have. 01:46:00.120 --> 01:46:01.120 I'm sorry. 01:46:01.120 --> 01:46:04.480 I think your question answered my question. 01:46:04.480 --> 01:46:06.480 Commissioner Sanchez. 01:46:06.480 --> 01:46:09.040 Yeah, Ron. 01:46:09.040 --> 01:46:19.040 So the whole purpose of you trying to, when you look at the HC, is you're trying, along 01:46:19.040 --> 01:46:28.280 the 35, you're trying to make that more industrialized, I guess, commercial. 01:46:28.280 --> 01:46:35.560 More commercial, by definition, by, I guess, definition, is probably a better word. 01:46:35.560 --> 01:46:38.040 HC is auto-oriented. 01:46:38.040 --> 01:46:44.680 It's higher intense commercial in the sense that it allows for larger shopping centers, 01:46:44.680 --> 01:46:45.680 that sort of thing. 01:46:45.680 --> 01:46:52.360 If we look at the use table, there is, MR does have similar uses, and that's why you 01:46:52.360 --> 01:46:59.560 see we're proposing some of that along the highway, but this particular area is mainly 01:46:59.560 --> 01:47:06.140 commercial, and again, going back to what we initially discussed, it is along I-35. 01:47:06.140 --> 01:47:10.680 The other areas, we started off with HC. 01:47:10.680 --> 01:47:17.200 We made our way up, and when you see the next couple ones, they're also HC and they're adjacent 01:47:17.200 --> 01:47:27.680 to the highway, but no, we weren't trying to increase industrial, it was more meet or 01:47:27.680 --> 01:47:33.880 have the existing uses be suitable with the zoning that's there. 01:47:33.880 --> 01:47:40.800 Right, right, and you do see a lot of, I mean, that's where all your vehicle dealerships 01:47:40.800 --> 01:47:41.800 are. 01:47:41.800 --> 01:47:42.800 Right. 01:47:42.800 --> 01:47:48.120 Your big, like I said, Buc-E's, all the big stations, all the main stuff there on 35, 01:47:48.120 --> 01:47:54.080 so I guess my concern is, it's not really a concern, I guess. 01:47:54.080 --> 01:48:02.360 I'm trying to figure, you know, they brought up a lot of legitimate issues, but at the 01:48:02.360 --> 01:48:11.040 same time, I look at, that's, HC is one of the areas that along 35, that to me is, I 01:48:11.040 --> 01:48:21.420 guess you would say, those businesses, if we don't cater, if we don't look at 35 as 01:48:21.420 --> 01:48:27.200 important as a very commercial, where else would we put some of that? 01:48:27.200 --> 01:48:28.200 The commercial. 01:48:28.200 --> 01:48:29.200 The commercial. 01:48:29.200 --> 01:48:30.200 Yeah. 01:48:30.200 --> 01:48:31.200 Where else would we put it? 01:48:31.200 --> 01:48:39.880 It will be along corridors with an SC or in the area just to the north, again, where the 01:48:39.880 --> 01:48:45.480 den crossing is, I believe that's currently MR, so there are special areas, regional draw 01:48:45.480 --> 01:48:53.280 that would qualify for an MR, but along the highway, again, that kind of breaks the difference 01:48:53.280 --> 01:48:58.480 between the MRs and the HC is that this is along I-35. 01:48:58.480 --> 01:48:59.480 Right, right. 01:48:59.480 --> 01:49:09.920 And I think that's what makes that, I-35 is, to me, the, anything along 35 is very important, 01:49:09.920 --> 01:49:14.560 it should be highway corridor, and there's a whole slew of things you can put in there, 01:49:14.560 --> 01:49:20.040 and I just want to make that comment. 01:49:20.040 --> 01:49:27.040 Leaning towards going to HC, because I think it's very important to maintain that area 01:49:27.040 --> 01:49:33.480 along that corridor long-term for the future, I mean, we don't know what's going to happen 01:49:33.480 --> 01:49:39.800 there, but at the same time, it's important to realize that that is a corridor for 35 01:49:39.800 --> 01:49:43.400 in its very important commercial locations. 01:49:43.400 --> 01:49:52.040 Right, and just to reiterate, and Richard did bring up a good point, you know, the HC 01:49:52.040 --> 01:49:59.280 would not, would permit multifamily with a specific use permit, where in the MRN it would 01:49:59.280 --> 01:50:01.240 be permitted by right. 01:50:01.240 --> 01:50:08.760 Not that this is going to turn into multifamily, but that was one of the considerations. 01:50:08.760 --> 01:50:09.760 Commissioner Smith. 01:50:09.760 --> 01:50:10.760 Thank you, Chair. 01:50:10.760 --> 01:50:18.240 Ma'am, I didn't catch your name, I apologize, but can I ask you a quick question? 01:50:18.240 --> 01:50:24.360 His name is Casper, like the ghost, easy to remember. 01:50:24.360 --> 01:50:26.480 Casper, Ms. Casper, nice to meet you. 01:50:26.480 --> 01:50:34.200 The MN or MR, where there's the ability for there to be multifamily development there 01:50:34.200 --> 01:50:40.080 as representative or president of HOA, I think is what you said, is the HOA, I mean, have 01:50:40.080 --> 01:50:41.080 they thought about that? 01:50:41.080 --> 01:50:46.480 If there was not the HC, now that opens up the door to, by right, allowing multifamily 01:50:46.480 --> 01:50:53.080 apartment development there, if that was to happen, which may or may not, but. 01:50:53.080 --> 01:50:57.760 The way we feel about it right now is that we'd rather see it stay just like it is. 01:50:57.760 --> 01:51:02.200 If something else comes up, we figure that most of those people are going to stay in 01:51:02.200 --> 01:51:09.600 there and that owner is probably not going to, you know, change his tenants or if he 01:51:09.600 --> 01:51:10.600 does. 01:51:10.600 --> 01:51:16.880 We're figuring that we're not going to get, you know, a multifamily in there. 01:51:16.880 --> 01:51:17.880 Okay. 01:51:17.880 --> 01:51:21.600 And if it comes to that, we fought that before. 01:51:21.600 --> 01:51:27.680 Well, and that's the thing, is I think that if you argue for something other than HC, 01:51:27.680 --> 01:51:31.600 then there's not going to be really a chance to really fight multifamily, if that makes 01:51:31.600 --> 01:51:35.440 sense, because once it's permitted by right, that means they can tear down the building 01:51:35.440 --> 01:51:40.040 and build a multifamily as quickly as they want to without having to make a notification, 01:51:40.040 --> 01:51:44.400 whereas an HC, they would have to come before us with a specific use permit. 01:51:44.400 --> 01:51:50.440 And so I don't know if that's been thought about at all as an option for the HOA. 01:51:50.440 --> 01:51:51.440 So. 01:51:51.440 --> 01:51:55.080 I got to ask Jerry on that one. 01:51:55.080 --> 01:51:56.080 Okay. 01:51:56.080 --> 01:51:57.080 All right. 01:51:57.080 --> 01:52:00.080 Mr. Drake, would you like to address the question? 01:52:00.080 --> 01:52:05.120 I'm the president, he's the brain. 01:52:05.120 --> 01:52:07.960 Sometimes we say the same thing about the CND commission. 01:52:07.960 --> 01:52:13.440 I'm the interim vice president, while they're looking for another one, but, no, I think 01:52:13.440 --> 01:52:21.860 that I agree with Ms. Casper that what we have, and that's precisely what was presented 01:52:21.860 --> 01:52:25.200 to everybody back in April. 01:52:25.200 --> 01:52:33.400 There's no, you know, reason for it to up zone this at all to allow more intense uses. 01:52:33.400 --> 01:52:39.520 You know, we're already the one who got the brunt of Bucky's when it came through. 01:52:39.520 --> 01:52:43.920 It's that green one, the area that backs right up to us. 01:52:43.920 --> 01:52:52.640 And so it's like, gee, we're getting hit from all sides when this stuff comes up. 01:52:52.640 --> 01:52:57.920 And I think with multifamily, I'd sure prefer it to some of the more intense commercial 01:52:57.920 --> 01:53:03.480 uses, myself, as far as the traffic impact of multifamily is concerned. 01:53:03.480 --> 01:53:10.840 It looks to me like everybody's going to be going out onto I-35 or up over the loop. 01:53:10.840 --> 01:53:13.640 It's certainly not going to be running past our neighborhood. 01:53:13.640 --> 01:53:14.640 Great. 01:53:14.640 --> 01:53:17.040 Thank you, Mr. Drake. 01:53:17.040 --> 01:53:23.940 Ron Koski, quick question. 01:53:23.940 --> 01:53:30.080 The current zoning, does it allow multifamily by right or by with a specific use permit? 01:53:30.080 --> 01:53:37.760 It's permitted by right with use specific standards, but it's P plus. 01:53:37.760 --> 01:53:38.760 Gotcha. 01:53:38.760 --> 01:53:41.360 And then, okay, got it. 01:53:41.360 --> 01:53:47.560 And then what it was done, what it was put through in the draft with the R7 mix and whatnot 01:53:47.560 --> 01:53:53.560 in there, permitted by, if we did nothing, if we didn't even vote for it, would multifamily 01:53:53.560 --> 01:53:55.400 be permitted by right there? 01:53:55.400 --> 01:54:03.280 Per the transition chart, the area in the area eight would allow for multifamily by 01:54:03.280 --> 01:54:04.280 right. 01:54:04.280 --> 01:54:05.280 Gotcha. 01:54:05.280 --> 01:54:06.280 Okay. 01:54:06.280 --> 01:54:10.760 So what they voted, what they were expecting before this was proposed was, yes, we understand 01:54:10.760 --> 01:54:13.360 that multifamily by right could be allowed over there. 01:54:13.360 --> 01:54:17.960 So the neighborhood, from what Mr. Drake was approaching was that what was originally shown 01:54:17.960 --> 01:54:23.320 to us was what we wanted to stay, so that means that they were okay with multifamily 01:54:23.320 --> 01:54:24.320 at that time. 01:54:24.320 --> 01:54:25.320 It's just basically what I'm trying to break down. 01:54:25.320 --> 01:54:28.180 Well, no, I mean, let me just correct that real quick. 01:54:28.180 --> 01:54:34.320 With the Planning Zoning Commission on April 10th, there was a transition chart that had 01:54:34.320 --> 01:54:40.360 all of these areas that are currently MN as R7, however, between P and Z and City Council, 01:54:40.360 --> 01:54:47.160 there was an amendment to the transition chart, which now has these areas as MN. 01:54:47.160 --> 01:54:55.240 So before P and Z, it was R7, and that looks like it requires a specific use permit. 01:54:55.240 --> 01:55:03.520 But currently, as we have the transition chart, it is MN and MR, and it would be all out. 01:55:03.520 --> 01:55:13.600 The City-initiated change to HC here, was that discussion brought up by a current tenant 01:55:13.600 --> 01:55:14.600 over there? 01:55:14.600 --> 01:55:19.480 Because I know it's a City-initiated, so was it just something that was identified? 01:55:19.480 --> 01:55:22.920 Was any tenants discussed with this about it being an HC? 01:55:22.920 --> 01:55:23.920 That's a good question. 01:55:23.920 --> 01:55:31.120 No, this was our staff's review and evaluation as we went up I-35 and identified areas that 01:55:31.120 --> 01:55:33.200 would be suitable for an HC. 01:55:33.200 --> 01:55:36.640 So there was no current property owner that was looking at that saying, "We needed to 01:55:36.640 --> 01:55:39.520 be more of an HC," or something like that, and then the City said, "Yeah, we kind of 01:55:39.520 --> 01:55:40.520 agree with you. 01:55:40.520 --> 01:55:41.520 We would make this a City-initiated." 01:55:41.520 --> 01:55:42.520 No, sir. 01:55:42.520 --> 01:55:45.480 It was our county staff's evaluation of the area. 01:55:45.480 --> 01:55:46.480 Gotcha. 01:55:46.480 --> 01:55:47.480 Okay. 01:55:47.480 --> 01:55:48.480 Understand. 01:55:48.480 --> 01:55:49.480 Thank you. 01:55:49.480 --> 01:55:50.480 Commissioner Beck. 01:55:50.480 --> 01:55:52.080 Thank you, Vice Chair. 01:55:52.080 --> 01:55:58.040 Ron, the area that was R7, is that what's MN now? 01:55:58.040 --> 01:55:59.040 Correct. 01:55:59.040 --> 01:56:00.040 Okay. 01:56:00.040 --> 01:56:06.960 So there still is a buffer of sorts between the highway corridor and this R3 residential 01:56:06.960 --> 01:56:07.960 neighborhood? 01:56:07.960 --> 01:56:08.960 Correct. 01:56:08.960 --> 01:56:10.800 The area that's here and here. 01:56:10.800 --> 01:56:15.880 Is there enough similarity between the R7 and the MN to...? 01:56:15.880 --> 01:56:21.480 Well, the MN is obviously mixed-use, it's outside of the residential, but they're right 01:56:21.480 --> 01:56:22.880 next to each other. 01:56:22.880 --> 01:56:25.840 It would be a little bit more commercial than the R7. 01:56:25.840 --> 01:56:26.840 Okay. 01:56:26.840 --> 01:56:28.840 But the R7 has some mixed-use also. 01:56:28.840 --> 01:56:31.920 It has some, but obviously MN is a little bit more. 01:56:31.920 --> 01:56:32.920 Okay. 01:56:32.920 --> 01:56:33.920 Great. 01:56:33.920 --> 01:56:34.920 Thank you. 01:56:34.920 --> 01:56:35.920 But that's not what we're considering. 01:56:35.920 --> 01:56:38.360 I just want to make clear that what we're talking about is the shopping center and not 01:56:38.360 --> 01:56:39.360 these parcels. 01:56:39.360 --> 01:56:40.360 No, I understand. 01:56:40.360 --> 01:56:41.360 Okay. 01:56:41.360 --> 01:56:42.360 I just wanted that point for my own clarification. 01:56:42.360 --> 01:56:43.360 Okay. 01:56:43.360 --> 01:56:44.360 Thank you. 01:56:44.360 --> 01:56:50.600 Just some more thoughts here for the commissioners. 01:56:50.600 --> 01:56:55.560 It seems to me that enough food for thought has been brought up on this one, that maybe 01:56:55.560 --> 01:57:02.400 it warrants a kickback to maybe the DCRC to staff for further discussion here, that maybe 01:57:02.400 --> 01:57:06.560 we would want to perhaps not vote on this one today. 01:57:06.560 --> 01:57:12.460 I'm just putting that out there for you all to consider. 01:57:12.460 --> 01:57:20.080 For me, there's enough thoughts for me to vote no on Highway Corridor at this moment. 01:57:20.080 --> 01:57:23.360 For me, Bucky's is misplaced here. 01:57:23.360 --> 01:57:30.360 We don't need it necessarily mimicking in what I consider a mistake in that area. 01:57:30.360 --> 01:57:34.760 I think enough thoughts merit further discussion. 01:57:34.760 --> 01:57:38.880 That's an opinion I have. 01:57:38.880 --> 01:57:39.880 Commissioner Smith. 01:57:39.880 --> 01:57:50.480 I will move to adopt this as a zoning change to MN rather than HC. 01:57:50.480 --> 01:58:00.800 Yeah. 01:58:00.800 --> 01:58:01.800 Commissioner Preneta. 01:58:01.800 --> 01:58:05.400 I would second that. 01:58:05.400 --> 01:58:15.600 So we have a motion on the floor to change the zoning to MN. 01:58:15.600 --> 01:58:16.600 Commissioner Beck. 01:58:16.600 --> 01:58:20.040 With that motion, I'm probably going to vote no. 01:58:20.040 --> 01:58:24.960 So I would be more in favor if we postpone this and discuss it some more, because I'm 01:58:24.960 --> 01:58:33.180 looking at long-term, I agree with Commissioner Sanchez, that Highway Corridor looks at the 01:58:33.180 --> 01:58:37.680 future of this area, and that's why I'm thinking this probably is the right one. 01:58:37.680 --> 01:58:39.560 It doesn't look good to some people right now. 01:58:39.560 --> 01:58:45.600 I understand that completely, but I would have to vote no on this motion, so I would 01:58:45.600 --> 01:58:51.840 make a motion to postpone to a date certain, one month from now. 01:58:51.840 --> 01:59:02.240 Maybe indefinitely, perhaps, since we wouldn't know exactly when the discussion will be had. 01:59:02.240 --> 01:59:10.400 So do we have a second to postpone indefinitely? 01:59:10.400 --> 01:59:11.400 Commissioner Cole. 01:59:11.400 --> 01:59:13.560 I'll second. 01:59:13.560 --> 01:59:29.880 That motion does supersede the first motion, so we will vote to postpone indefinitely. 01:59:29.880 --> 01:59:44.560 Call for a vote on the board. 01:59:44.560 --> 01:59:50.560 That motion will carry 6-0. 01:59:50.560 --> 01:59:51.560 Thank you. 01:59:51.560 --> 02:00:10.600 We'll move on to our legal re-join, and then we will move forward. 02:00:10.600 --> 02:00:14.040 We will move further down our agenda. 02:00:14.040 --> 02:00:24.320 I will now open the public hearings for items B through Y, excluding items I and J. I will 02:00:24.320 --> 02:00:31.320 open the public hearings for agenda items B through Y, excluding items I and J, and Ron 02:00:31.320 --> 02:00:34.320 will continue presentation. 02:00:34.320 --> 02:00:38.120 Thank you, Madam Chair, members of the commission. 02:00:38.120 --> 02:00:43.880 Moving along with Area 1, we're going to begin with the southernmost area. 02:00:43.880 --> 02:00:51.480 This is an area on the southeast corner of Shady Shore and Lake View, which is comprised 02:00:51.480 --> 02:00:56.160 of a 1.8-acre, 1.89-acre. 02:00:56.160 --> 02:01:07.480 The area is currently owned and contains some use of the Bill Utterford dealership. 02:01:07.480 --> 02:01:10.280 Staff is proposing to change this to HC. 02:01:10.280 --> 02:01:16.160 The use of Bill Utterford is automotive sales and leasing. 02:01:16.160 --> 02:01:21.200 By changing this to HC, it would make the use conforming. 02:01:21.200 --> 02:01:28.080 The proximity of the parcel is located in close proximity to I-35E, and staff has not 02:01:28.080 --> 02:01:34.020 received any responses regarding this area. 02:01:34.020 --> 02:01:37.280 Area 2 is north of what we just saw. 02:01:37.280 --> 02:01:44.160 It is proposed to go from RCCD to HC, Highway Corridor, Zoning District. 02:01:44.160 --> 02:01:47.200 It is approximately 35.61 acres. 02:01:47.200 --> 02:01:55.080 It contains a number of uses and businesses, including United Rental, Explore USA RV Super 02:01:55.080 --> 02:02:01.560 Center, the Eckert Hyundai, and Classic Pre-Owned dealership as well. 02:02:01.560 --> 02:02:08.840 Again, similar to the Bill Utterford, automotive sales and leasing use would be conforming 02:02:08.840 --> 02:02:20.380 with the change to HC, as it is not permitted in the transition change from MR to HC. 02:02:20.380 --> 02:02:25.960 The other uses identified would have no other changes to their status, and again, staff 02:02:25.960 --> 02:02:29.800 has not received any responses. 02:02:29.800 --> 02:02:36.880 Area 3, moving north on the other side of I-35, we've got a larger parcel, or parcels, 02:02:36.880 --> 02:02:47.360 larger area, approximately 74 acres, proposed to go from RCCN and RCCD to Highway Corridor, 02:02:47.360 --> 02:02:52.480 generally located on the southeast corner of I-35 and State School Road. 02:02:52.480 --> 02:02:58.120 Contains a number of dealerships, the James Wood dealerships, Honda of Den, and Toyota 02:02:58.120 --> 02:02:59.240 of Den, that is. 02:02:59.240 --> 02:03:06.040 We also have a medical office on the corner that treats cancer, it's a cancer center. 02:03:06.040 --> 02:03:11.240 Staff is proposing HC, similar to what was across the highway. 02:03:11.240 --> 02:03:17.840 It will permit automotive sales and leasing by right, which would make them conforming. 02:03:17.840 --> 02:03:24.780 The change of the other uses would not affect their statuses, and then we did receive two 02:03:24.780 --> 02:03:30.160 responses in favor, and those were presented to the Planning and Zoning Commission earlier 02:03:30.160 --> 02:03:31.160 today. 02:03:31.160 --> 02:03:36.120 I believe those two were from the James Wood dealership. 02:03:36.120 --> 02:03:42.840 Area 4 is an area that is occupied by the Eckerd-Honday Pre-Owned dealership, approximately 02:03:42.840 --> 02:03:45.500 0.8 acres. 02:03:45.500 --> 02:03:51.080 It's proposed to go from RCR1 to MR. 02:03:51.080 --> 02:03:56.680 What staff is proposing is that it go to MR to match and be consistent with the surrounding 02:03:56.680 --> 02:03:59.200 zoning of the area. 02:03:59.200 --> 02:04:05.640 The area that you see to the north, east, and west, even across the street, is MR, therefore 02:04:05.640 --> 02:04:12.200 staff is proposing a mixed-use regional zoning district for this area, or this parcel, and 02:04:12.200 --> 02:04:14.440 staff has not received any responses. 02:04:14.440 --> 02:04:24.920 Area 5 is the area just south of I-35, just on the north, sorry, south east. 02:04:24.920 --> 02:04:28.600 It's kind of angled here, so I really can't really describe it clearly, but you can see 02:04:28.600 --> 02:04:35.160 here is currently the area north of the Unicorn Lake development, mixed-use development, contains 02:04:35.160 --> 02:04:42.440 the Chewie's, BJ's, Bone Daddy's, restaurants, and a number of other businesses. 02:04:42.440 --> 02:04:48.760 And of clarification, we did receive a response from the property owner that owns this area 02:04:48.760 --> 02:04:52.760 here that's shown in the dash dotted line. 02:04:52.760 --> 02:04:59.920 We are requesting that that parcel be removed from this consideration, which would only 02:04:59.920 --> 02:05:07.960 consist of the area outlined in yellow, which consists of approximately 36.66 acres. 02:05:07.960 --> 02:05:14.120 Staff is proposing that these parcels within Area 5 be zoned HC. 02:05:14.120 --> 02:05:22.200 Again, changes in this area uses-wise would not be changed or affected, and staff has 02:05:22.200 --> 02:05:29.640 not received any responses except for the one that was discussed earlier. 02:05:29.640 --> 02:05:36.440 Area 6 is a parcel, or parcels, there's two of them, approximately 7.3 acres, which consists 02:05:36.440 --> 02:05:38.640 of the shoreline apartments. 02:05:38.640 --> 02:05:42.740 This is within the Unicorn Lake development. 02:05:42.740 --> 02:05:50.720 Staff is proposing that this go from RCR 2 to an MR zoning district and use classification. 02:05:50.720 --> 02:05:57.400 The area here is shown in this solid black line, and you can see that it is surrounded 02:05:57.400 --> 02:05:59.600 by MR on all sides. 02:05:59.600 --> 02:06:04.400 Staff is recommending that be MR to be consistent with the surrounding zoning districts. 02:06:04.400 --> 02:06:07.660 Staff has not received any notices. 02:06:07.660 --> 02:06:14.400 Area 7, very similar in that it is going from a zoning district, in this case RCR 1 and 02:06:14.400 --> 02:06:18.320 RCR 2, to a mixed-use regional MR. 02:06:18.320 --> 02:06:26.040 It is two different apartments, the Ridge at North Texas and Pace Crossings. 02:06:26.040 --> 02:06:32.000 The proposal is to go to MR to be consistent with the surrounding zoning districts in the 02:06:32.000 --> 02:06:41.320 area, and by going to MR, it would allow for the multifamilies to remain and be conforming 02:06:41.320 --> 02:06:46.360 with the proposed MR zoning district. 02:06:46.360 --> 02:06:51.600 Staff has not received any responses on this area, within this area. 02:06:51.600 --> 02:06:55.640 Area 9 we are going to be considering at a later date. 02:06:55.640 --> 02:07:00.760 Area 10 is an area between Dallas Drive and I-35. 02:07:00.760 --> 02:07:06.280 Currently it is ECC, proposed to go to SC, Suburban Corridor. 02:07:06.280 --> 02:07:14.080 Staff is recommending Suburban Corridor, primarily because it is fronting the Dallas Drive corridor. 02:07:14.080 --> 02:07:19.720 All of the businesses there currently have their main access off of Dallas Drive, and 02:07:19.720 --> 02:07:25.920 they consist of a number of different uses, including a hotel, a gas station or automotive 02:07:25.920 --> 02:07:32.440 sales, and also other apartments. 02:07:32.440 --> 02:07:39.980 Area 10, again SC, primarily fronting Dallas Drive, and is accessible from Dallas Drive. 02:07:39.980 --> 02:07:45.800 Staff did receive one response, and that was in favor. 02:07:45.800 --> 02:07:52.720 Area 11, just in the same general vicinity, is along I-35, is being proposed to go to 02:07:52.720 --> 02:07:53.720 HC. 02:07:53.720 --> 02:08:01.680 It is approximately 3.49 acres, contains a Wells Fargo bank and a Hooters restaurant. 02:08:01.680 --> 02:08:07.160 Staff is recommending an HC zoning district, primarily because it is fronting I-35, and 02:08:07.160 --> 02:08:13.000 the uses are consistent with the zoning district's allowed uses. 02:08:13.000 --> 02:08:18.040 No responses were received by staff on this area. 02:08:18.040 --> 02:08:23.440 Area 12, just to the west, similar in that it is an existing shopping center. 02:08:23.440 --> 02:08:28.760 It has a number of uses, it is referred to as the Den Square Shopping Center. 02:08:28.760 --> 02:08:31.480 It's approximately 9.3 acres. 02:08:31.480 --> 02:08:37.840 Staff is recommending an HC Highway Corridor, primary frontage along I-35, and staff has 02:08:37.840 --> 02:08:43.720 not received any responses in favor or in opposition. 02:08:43.720 --> 02:08:51.240 Area 13, moving to the west, northwest, staff is recommending a zoning change from NRMU 02:08:51.240 --> 02:08:58.280 to SC on approximately 17.7 acres, generally located just as you can see here, south of 02:08:58.280 --> 02:09:03.240 I-35 and east of Teasley Lane. 02:09:03.240 --> 02:09:11.520 Number of uses from offices to car wash to an automotive sales establishment in the form 02:09:11.520 --> 02:09:14.400 of Exxon. 02:09:14.400 --> 02:09:21.360 Staff is recommending SC, and you probably are asking, "Why is an SC along I-35?" 02:09:21.360 --> 02:09:30.360 We recognize that SC is more of a lesser intensity, and the uses there already are allowed under 02:09:30.360 --> 02:09:31.360 the SC. 02:09:31.360 --> 02:09:38.520 It would also allow for the uses in the form of the parking lot, the auto wash, and the 02:09:38.520 --> 02:09:44.200 motel uses to be conforming under the SC zoning district. 02:09:44.200 --> 02:09:50.480 We did receive one response in favor for this zoning change. 02:09:50.480 --> 02:09:58.400 Area 14, downtown Commercial General to HC, approximately 6.2 acres, contains the Point 02:09:58.400 --> 02:10:00.120 Bank, KFC, and Pizza Hut. 02:10:00.120 --> 02:10:06.480 If you're familiar with that corner, including the Bronze and the 7-Eleven, staff is recommending 02:10:06.480 --> 02:10:14.200 that also be proposed to be HC as it fronts I-35 and has mainly access off of I-35, no 02:10:14.200 --> 02:10:18.000 responses on this area. 02:10:18.000 --> 02:10:22.240 Area 15 is along Teasley Lane. 02:10:22.240 --> 02:10:27.680 It contains a number of uses, primarily non-residential, more commercial. 02:10:27.680 --> 02:10:30.560 Suburban Corridor is the proposed zoning district. 02:10:30.560 --> 02:10:35.920 The area does front Teasley Lane as well as Dow's Drive, and staff has not received any 02:10:35.920 --> 02:10:37.680 responses. 02:10:37.680 --> 02:10:44.000 16, on the south side, on the other side of the highway, along Londonderry, if you're 02:10:44.000 --> 02:10:47.160 familiar with this area, it does contain a mix of uses. 02:10:47.160 --> 02:10:54.840 Staff is proposing an SC zoning district as it is adjacent to SC to the north and the 02:10:54.840 --> 02:10:57.520 South Lakes and McMath Mills School to the south. 02:10:57.520 --> 02:11:04.640 SC does allow for parking lot as a principal use, medical office, indoor recreation, and 02:11:04.640 --> 02:11:08.240 restaurants, which are existing uses there now. 02:11:08.240 --> 02:11:12.800 By going to SC, it would make those uses conforming. 02:11:12.800 --> 02:11:15.960 Staff has not received any responses. 02:11:15.960 --> 02:11:24.160 Area 17, to the west of what we just saw, is proposed to go from NRME 12 and CMG to 02:11:24.160 --> 02:11:26.720 MN, Mixed Use Neighborhood. 02:11:26.720 --> 02:11:29.440 The area there is primarily multi-family. 02:11:29.440 --> 02:11:37.320 By going to an MN zoning district, it would make the medical office a conforming use. 02:11:37.320 --> 02:11:42.000 All the other uses mentioned would be permitted and their statuses would not change. 02:11:42.000 --> 02:11:46.680 No responses for area 17. 02:11:46.680 --> 02:11:52.480 Area 18 is zoning change request to go from CMG to MN. 02:11:52.480 --> 02:11:58.720 Currently, it is occupied, as you can see, by multi-family or apartments. 02:11:58.720 --> 02:12:04.520 Both the Studio Place apartments and the Salem Ridge apartments occupy this area. 02:12:04.520 --> 02:12:11.120 Changing it to MN would not change the status of the zoning, however, to be consistent with 02:12:11.120 --> 02:12:18.080 the zoning of the area and to also create a transition between the HC along I-35 and 02:12:18.080 --> 02:12:21.400 as you move south, MN is proposed. 02:12:21.400 --> 02:12:26.720 There were no responses received as of this afternoon. 02:12:26.720 --> 02:12:33.480 Area 19, moving north again on I-35, this is an area that contains a hotel, the Hampton 02:12:33.480 --> 02:12:39.560 Inn Suites of Den, a bank, two restaurants, Johnny Carino's and Chuck E. Cheese. 02:12:39.560 --> 02:12:46.600 It's on the corner of I-35 and Allegra Vista, or Center Place, that is. 02:12:46.600 --> 02:12:54.020 Staff's proposing HC as it fronts I-35 and the uses again would be conforming or suitable 02:12:54.020 --> 02:13:05.440 for the HC zoning district and, again, be consistent with the surrounding environment. 02:13:05.440 --> 02:13:08.280 No public hearing notices were received. 02:13:08.280 --> 02:13:16.680 Area 20, again to the west of this area, similarly, it is HC proposed from a DCG zoning district. 02:13:16.680 --> 02:13:25.480 The uses there are in line with a highway corridor uses where there are moving and storage 02:13:25.480 --> 02:13:31.800 business, a restaurant and a bar, as well as retail, general retail, currently, within 02:13:31.800 --> 02:13:39.560 area 20, primarily fronts I-35 and no responses were received for this area. 02:13:39.560 --> 02:13:42.160 Area 21, we're getting close to 24. 02:13:42.160 --> 02:13:46.240 Area 21 is along Fort Worth Drive. 02:13:46.240 --> 02:13:52.800 It consists of 23.16 acres, a number of uses, I'm not going to read the names of the businesses, 02:13:52.800 --> 02:13:58.680 but you see that there are apartments, retail, restaurants, and the reason that staff is 02:13:58.680 --> 02:14:04.520 recommending that this be rezoned or changed to SC is that Fort Worth Drive is considered 02:14:04.520 --> 02:14:13.280 corridor and it contains higher design standards, but with that, most of the businesses do front 02:14:13.280 --> 02:14:19.840 Fort Worth Drive, changing the use of SC would be consistent with the area. 02:14:19.840 --> 02:14:27.320 No response, I'm sorry, two responses were received for this area, both in favor. 02:14:27.320 --> 02:14:33.980 Area 22, just south of area 21, this is a little different in that it is fronting I-35. 02:14:33.980 --> 02:14:40.840 There are two businesses there now, Impress Graphics and BBVA Campus, or Compass Bank, 02:14:40.840 --> 02:14:46.640 and also will be a future McDonald's restaurant site, as it will be in the general area shown 02:14:46.640 --> 02:14:50.880 here, just south of those two businesses. 02:14:50.880 --> 02:14:55.400 Staff's recommending HC, again, it fronts I-35 and the businesses are consistent and 02:14:55.400 --> 02:14:59.640 suitable for an HSC zoning district. 02:14:59.640 --> 02:15:06.840 Area 23, similar to area 21, suburban corridor, it does front Fort Worth Drive, the uses are 02:15:06.840 --> 02:15:12.720 permitted in the SC, the status would not change their uses. 02:15:12.720 --> 02:15:20.920 Fronts in access from Fort Worth, staff received one response in favor for this area. 02:15:20.920 --> 02:15:28.280 Last is area 24, this is along I-35, where there is a Valero, a Water Burger, and a religious 02:15:28.280 --> 02:15:35.360 assembly, as well as a motel, Studio 6 Den UNT, it's located in this area. 02:15:35.360 --> 02:15:42.800 The proposal is to go to HC, again, HC would be consistent with the surrounding environment 02:15:42.800 --> 02:15:47.160 as it is along I-35 and the businesses are suitable. 02:15:47.160 --> 02:15:51.760 No responses were received for this item or for this area. 02:15:51.760 --> 02:15:56.200 That concludes my presentation, staff does recommend approval of those areas identified 02:15:56.200 --> 02:16:03.240 or discussed and presented, I'll be happy to stand in for any questions. 02:16:03.240 --> 02:16:07.920 I don't see any at this time, Ron, thank you for your thorough and very organized presentation. 02:16:07.920 --> 02:16:08.920 Appreciate it. 02:16:08.920 --> 02:16:10.360 Thank you. 02:16:10.360 --> 02:16:11.360 This is a public hearing. 02:16:11.360 --> 02:16:26.740 I do have some cards wishing to speak on the area three, is Jimmy Robinson? 02:16:26.740 --> 02:16:29.840 Come down and state your name and address and your time will begin. 02:16:29.840 --> 02:16:37.840 Good evening, my name is Jimmy Robinson, and me and my wife are outside at 3505-516 Court, 02:16:37.840 --> 02:16:42.960 and I want to assure you James Wood is a good neighbor. 02:16:42.960 --> 02:16:48.000 We have concerns, though, and, of course, more information should have been provided 02:16:48.000 --> 02:16:53.640 to us, you know, as far as the changes. 02:16:53.640 --> 02:16:57.920 But we have concerns, are you guys familiar with the area, the creek down there, the green 02:16:57.920 --> 02:17:00.300 belt? 02:17:00.300 --> 02:17:03.760 We're right down there, we live on Wessex Court on the cul-de-sac in the back of our 02:17:03.760 --> 02:17:10.920 property on that creek, and we're on a very, very low spot down there, and if you look 02:17:10.920 --> 02:17:15.000 at James Wood, I've got some pictures here, you can keep these things if you want to. 02:17:15.000 --> 02:17:22.400 I took some of them from the back of the house, I took some of them on the James Wood's property 02:17:22.400 --> 02:17:26.080 and I took some, you know, down in the creek, give you an idea where they're from, you're 02:17:26.080 --> 02:17:30.680 welcome to keep them, give you an idea what I'm talking about, but we're on the low side 02:17:30.680 --> 02:17:35.220 of that creek, and when they put Unicorn Lake in years ago, I guess, you know, a lot of 02:17:35.220 --> 02:17:40.920 that water was displaced under that creek, and they put us in a flood zone, and I'm like, 02:17:40.920 --> 02:17:46.360 "Sis, get out of the flood zone," but I don't think it's going to happen, but the more concrete 02:17:46.360 --> 02:17:51.120 you put in there, the more the water's going to come up, in fact, that's happened over 02:17:51.120 --> 02:17:58.440 there when they put the Buckees in and the Holiday Inn, and these are my concerns, that 02:17:58.440 --> 02:17:59.440 need to be addressed. 02:17:59.440 --> 02:18:05.160 You don't want to go to rezoning places, that, you know, we look out for that green belt. 02:18:05.160 --> 02:18:09.680 Also, I mean, we need a sound barrier back there, too. 02:18:09.680 --> 02:18:15.720 I know we have one, they've done a lot of infrastructure work, they put a pipeline back 02:18:15.720 --> 02:18:21.920 here that goes back up under I-35, I believe, and back around behind James Wood. 02:18:21.920 --> 02:18:25.640 Before they did that, you know, we actually had sewer, raw sewage rising in the street 02:18:25.640 --> 02:18:29.420 over there on the cul-de-sac, so that's been correct, and of course, you know, the bridge 02:18:29.420 --> 02:18:33.240 out there, you know, is correct a little bit, but we still have a drainage problem, and 02:18:33.240 --> 02:18:37.840 we, it's, we're in a flood area, and what's happened, the reason we got in that flood 02:18:37.840 --> 02:18:44.560 area is because of the development, and, you know, it's, it's just something that happens, 02:18:44.560 --> 02:18:51.320 but these are the concerns I have, and the other one is, is the wildlife issues. 02:18:51.320 --> 02:18:55.640 We have a lot of wildlife down there in that, in the, in the green belt area. 02:18:55.640 --> 02:19:00.880 I've seen a beaver come up the creek, we've got coyotes, a herd of hogs being down there, 02:19:00.880 --> 02:19:05.120 we've got a red-tailed hawk that hangs out in the backyard, I know we've got a bobcat 02:19:05.120 --> 02:19:09.880 down there somewhere, you know, we're displacing these animals, you know, what do you do with 02:19:09.880 --> 02:19:10.880 development? 02:19:10.880 --> 02:19:15.400 So these are things I think the plan and the zoning commission need to look at, you know, 02:19:15.400 --> 02:19:22.000 when they're rezoning, and, you know, I hope you guys, you know, take a look at it from 02:19:22.000 --> 02:19:27.320 our point of view when you make your decisions on, on, on what to do and how to move forward, 02:19:27.320 --> 02:19:31.480 and again, let me assure you, James Wood is a great neighbor, so, and that's it. 02:19:31.480 --> 02:19:32.480 Great. 02:19:32.480 --> 02:19:33.480 Thank you. 02:19:33.480 --> 02:19:34.480 We do have a question for you. 02:19:34.480 --> 02:19:36.480 Yeah, I do have, I do have one more thing I want to add. 02:19:36.480 --> 02:19:37.480 Okay. 02:19:37.480 --> 02:19:44.920 This map, it's a little, it's, it's, it's somewhat deceiving here, because this creek. 02:19:44.920 --> 02:19:49.040 Sir, do you want to put it on this X and we will get it put up here for us to see? 02:19:49.040 --> 02:19:50.040 What now? 02:19:50.040 --> 02:19:51.040 Put it on that dot? 02:19:51.040 --> 02:19:52.040 Yeah. 02:19:52.040 --> 02:19:53.040 Okay. 02:19:53.040 --> 02:19:54.040 And then we can bring it up here. 02:19:54.040 --> 02:19:55.040 I want somebody to do this here. 02:19:55.040 --> 02:19:59.960 This creek that runs down here, okay, it goes back up under I-35, somewhere, if I'm not 02:19:59.960 --> 02:20:04.800 mistaken, there's a pond back down there somewhere, and, and, and I believe the city of Corinth 02:20:04.800 --> 02:20:11.880 was probably responsible for part of that grain belt down there, but it, it starts over 02:20:11.880 --> 02:20:16.880 here, back over here at Unicorn Lake, back up here somewhere, and it goes along State 02:20:16.880 --> 02:20:20.360 School and it goes under that bridge, and of course, you know, we get a lot of drainage 02:20:20.360 --> 02:20:26.120 from those lakes over there at Unicorn Lake also, but it goes back down to, if I look 02:20:26.120 --> 02:20:32.000 at it correctly, and, and I could be mistaken, it appears that it goes back under I-35 somewhere 02:20:32.000 --> 02:20:38.680 down there where they're building that new car max in, in Unicorn, down there in Corinth, 02:20:38.680 --> 02:20:44.880 but, you know, personally, what I like to see is the buffer zone, you know, away from 02:20:44.880 --> 02:20:50.340 that creek a little bit, but anyway, you guys have my, my point of view and I thank you 02:20:50.340 --> 02:20:51.880 guys very, very much. 02:20:51.880 --> 02:20:52.880 Thank you, Mr. Robinson. 02:20:52.880 --> 02:20:55.120 We do have a question for you, Commissioner Beck. 02:20:55.120 --> 02:20:56.120 Thank you, Vice Chair. 02:20:56.120 --> 02:20:57.120 Thank you, Mr. Robinson, for your presentation. 02:20:57.120 --> 02:20:58.120 Can you hear me okay? 02:20:58.120 --> 02:20:59.120 I can hear you. 02:20:59.120 --> 02:21:00.120 Okay. 02:21:00.120 --> 02:21:04.760 Well, I've sometimes been known not to be able to be heard. 02:21:04.760 --> 02:21:10.720 It's amazing to me, but the area we're looking at tonight isn't impacting the green area 02:21:10.720 --> 02:21:12.160 that you're talking about. 02:21:12.160 --> 02:21:15.160 It's the area that James Wood and everybody else has already built on. 02:21:15.160 --> 02:21:19.600 So by approving this area three, nothing's going to change. 02:21:19.600 --> 02:21:23.920 Now, we are concerned about the area that hasn't been developed yet. 02:21:23.920 --> 02:21:27.920 I don't know if there's an ESO in there or a riparian buffer, but those are protected 02:21:27.920 --> 02:21:28.920 if they are. 02:21:28.920 --> 02:21:31.840 There are some green areas that we'll be protecting. 02:21:31.840 --> 02:21:36.640 We'll be looking at that closely when that area does come under development, but approving 02:21:36.640 --> 02:21:41.040 area three tonight isn't going to impact anything that isn't already there. 02:21:41.040 --> 02:21:45.400 So just wanted you to feel a little comfortable about that, and that you do have people on 02:21:45.400 --> 02:21:49.880 your side that want to see that green area preserved as much as possible. 02:21:49.880 --> 02:21:51.880 Well, thank you very much. 02:21:51.880 --> 02:21:52.880 I appreciate it. 02:21:52.880 --> 02:21:54.880 Is it all right if we can be excused? 02:21:54.880 --> 02:21:57.400 Can we be excused? 02:21:57.400 --> 02:21:58.520 Oh, sure. 02:21:58.520 --> 02:22:02.360 We have one more question from Commissioner Sanchez. 02:22:02.360 --> 02:22:03.360 Okay. 02:22:03.360 --> 02:22:09.120 Mine was pretty much the same thing as what Mr. Beck stated, is that this zone change 02:22:09.120 --> 02:22:12.720 isn't going to do anything other than a zone change. 02:22:12.720 --> 02:22:19.680 So we're not talking about any kind of redirecting of water or building walls or anything like 02:22:19.680 --> 02:22:20.680 that. 02:22:20.680 --> 02:22:21.680 It's just a zone change. 02:22:21.680 --> 02:22:29.680 It's based on the fact that it sits on the I-35, they want to change it to Highway Corridor, 02:22:29.680 --> 02:22:35.680 and that's what they're trying to do all along I-35, is if there's an opportunity or there's 02:22:35.680 --> 02:22:43.600 a -- what do you call it -- non-conforming zoning, then they'll go in there and look 02:22:43.600 --> 02:22:47.720 at that area and say, okay, here's a chance to change it. 02:22:47.720 --> 02:22:49.920 We're looking at I-35 Corridor. 02:22:49.920 --> 02:22:53.280 Let's go with the I-35 Corridor, the HC zoning. 02:22:53.280 --> 02:22:54.280 That's all they're trying to do. 02:22:54.280 --> 02:22:55.280 I appreciate you saying that. 02:22:55.280 --> 02:22:59.320 That should have been mentioned on this letter we received -- oh, I'm sorry. 02:22:59.320 --> 02:23:04.840 That should have been mentioned on this letter we received from correspondence from the city 02:23:04.840 --> 02:23:10.760 exactly what was happening, and I apologize for coming down here, taking up time, not 02:23:10.760 --> 02:23:15.400 understanding completely what it was, but like I say, whenever we do zone down there, 02:23:15.400 --> 02:23:19.040 I hope we reconsider that and take a look at some of that stuff. 02:23:19.040 --> 02:23:20.040 Okay. 02:23:20.040 --> 02:23:23.520 Mr. Robinson, we are always happy to have your thoughts, so thank you for coming out 02:23:23.520 --> 02:23:28.480 to speak, and certainly if you need further clarification from staff, they are happy to 02:23:28.480 --> 02:23:31.680 sit down with you one-on-one and talk with you as well. 02:23:31.680 --> 02:23:37.720 I visited with Scott, and Scott seems like he understands some of the issues we're running 02:23:37.720 --> 02:23:38.720 across. 02:23:38.720 --> 02:23:40.720 Thank you guys very, very much, and you guys have a great evening. 02:23:40.720 --> 02:23:41.720 Thank you. 02:23:41.720 --> 02:23:42.720 Commissioner Smith. 02:23:42.720 --> 02:23:43.720 Thank you, Chair. 02:23:43.720 --> 02:23:48.080 Mr. Robinson, I live over on Waterford, so I know you're -- I live on Waterford, so I 02:23:48.080 --> 02:23:51.560 know you're -- we're the forgotten neighborhood in the city of Denton. 02:23:51.560 --> 02:23:52.560 It's okay. 02:23:52.560 --> 02:23:53.560 Are you back along the creek? 02:23:53.560 --> 02:23:54.560 Yeah. 02:23:54.560 --> 02:23:55.560 I'm back up to the creek. 02:23:55.560 --> 02:23:56.560 We cleaned our house. 02:23:56.560 --> 02:23:57.560 That's real nice of you. 02:23:57.560 --> 02:24:03.280 We have it looking nice back there, and we're kind of proud of it. 02:24:03.280 --> 02:24:04.840 Just to let you know, we're looking out for you. 02:24:04.840 --> 02:24:05.840 Well, I appreciate it. 02:24:05.840 --> 02:24:06.840 Appreciate you guys showing up. 02:24:06.840 --> 02:24:07.840 Thank you, guys. 02:24:07.840 --> 02:24:08.840 Thank you. 02:24:08.840 --> 02:24:15.080 We do have another card on area three, not wishing to speak, but Mr. Don White is in 02:24:15.080 --> 02:24:20.480 support. 02:24:20.480 --> 02:24:28.000 Area seven, Cindy Venables, wishing to speak. 02:24:28.000 --> 02:24:43.120 Did you want to come up to the mic, and then we can -- 02:24:43.120 --> 02:24:53.220 Well, if I followed correctly, you started with B and went all the way through to Z. 02:24:53.220 --> 02:24:54.220 I didn't hear -- 02:24:54.220 --> 02:24:58.220 Well, the downtown standards we did is item A on the agenda, so that's actually already 02:24:58.220 --> 02:24:59.520 been discussed and voted on. 02:24:59.520 --> 02:25:00.520 Okay. 02:25:00.520 --> 02:25:02.000 So it's okay from -- it's already been discussed and voted on? 02:25:02.000 --> 02:25:03.000 It has. 02:25:03.000 --> 02:25:11.400 Can I share a concern I have? 02:25:11.400 --> 02:25:12.760 It's really just a comment. 02:25:12.760 --> 02:25:20.480 I'm not -- I mean, it's something -- I'll not speak if you don't want me to. 02:25:20.480 --> 02:25:23.880 You know, Mr. Scott McDonald is behind you. 02:25:23.880 --> 02:25:26.600 Will you share your comment with him, and then we can discuss it? 02:25:26.600 --> 02:25:31.720 We talked earlier, and part of his response is what I have a question on. 02:25:31.720 --> 02:25:34.640 So do you want me to go out and talk to him? 02:25:34.640 --> 02:25:35.640 I do. 02:25:35.640 --> 02:25:36.640 Thank you. 02:25:36.640 --> 02:25:37.640 I appreciate it. 02:25:37.640 --> 02:25:38.640 Thank you. 02:25:38.640 --> 02:25:58.560 Okay, so next card, speaking on area 21, Dick and Kelsey. 02:25:58.560 --> 02:26:12.600 Good evening, and thank you for hearing us. 02:26:12.600 --> 02:26:16.360 First of all, I want to say thank you for what you did on 2225 East McKinney. 02:26:16.360 --> 02:26:17.360 Okay. 02:26:17.360 --> 02:26:19.040 Can you state your name and address, please? 02:26:19.040 --> 02:26:20.040 Oh, I'm sorry. 02:26:20.040 --> 02:26:23.000 Dick and Ann Kelsey, 206 Reg Crest Circle in Denton. 02:26:23.000 --> 02:26:24.720 Thank you very much. 02:26:24.720 --> 02:26:28.680 Thank you for what you all did on 2225 and the hard consideration. 02:26:28.680 --> 02:26:33.440 I understand there was a complete staff meeting on all of that area and that problem. 02:26:33.440 --> 02:26:37.960 We really do appreciate the efforts you all put into it, staff as well. 02:26:37.960 --> 02:26:43.480 Now moving to 21, we also have property in 505 Fort Worth Drive, one acre of land. 02:26:43.480 --> 02:26:44.840 We've had it since '86. 02:26:44.840 --> 02:26:50.560 When they changed it in '02, they made us a nonconforming use because they zoned us downtown 02:26:50.560 --> 02:26:52.240 square. 02:26:52.240 --> 02:26:53.480 We said, please don't do that. 02:26:53.480 --> 02:26:54.880 We're not downtown square. 02:26:54.880 --> 02:26:55.880 It didn't help. 02:26:55.880 --> 02:27:00.120 This is, I think, is an opportunity for us to get out of the nonconforming use we've 02:27:00.120 --> 02:27:04.800 been in for 16 years, which has caused us a number of problems. 02:27:04.800 --> 02:27:11.220 And we strongly endorse the recommendation of staff that you zone it as indicated so 02:27:11.220 --> 02:27:15.400 that we will no longer be in nonconforming use status. 02:27:15.400 --> 02:27:16.400 Thank you. 02:27:16.400 --> 02:27:17.400 Any questions? 02:27:17.400 --> 02:27:18.400 I'd be happy to answer them. 02:27:18.400 --> 02:27:20.940 I don't see any questions. 02:27:20.940 --> 02:27:22.440 Thank you for sharing your thoughts. 02:27:22.440 --> 02:27:27.160 Thank you very much. 02:27:27.160 --> 02:27:32.320 I don't have any other cards wishing to speak, but this is a public hearing, so if anyone 02:27:32.320 --> 02:27:38.240 would like to come down and speak, you are welcome to. 02:27:38.240 --> 02:27:39.240 Anyone wishing to speak? 02:27:39.240 --> 02:27:40.240 Okay. 02:27:40.240 --> 02:27:45.200 Seeing none, I will close the public hearing and open the floor for discussion or a motion. 02:27:45.200 --> 02:27:46.200 Commissioner Beck. 02:27:46.200 --> 02:27:47.200 Thank you, Vice Chair. 02:27:47.200 --> 02:27:54.680 Before I make a motion, we approve areas, all areas 24 except 8 and 9, is that right? 02:27:54.680 --> 02:27:58.160 Am I doing that right? 02:27:58.160 --> 02:28:01.160 Let me clarify. 02:28:01.160 --> 02:28:02.160 Okay. 02:28:02.160 --> 02:28:09.840 I think perhaps if you state your motion that you were discussing items B through Y, excluding 02:28:09.840 --> 02:28:10.840 I and J. 02:28:10.840 --> 02:28:11.840 Thank you. 02:28:11.840 --> 02:28:12.840 I like that wording better. 02:28:12.840 --> 02:28:18.880 Do you want me to restate that? 02:28:18.880 --> 02:28:24.200 Move that we accept B through Y with exception of I and J. 02:28:24.200 --> 02:28:25.200 J. 02:28:25.200 --> 02:28:30.080 Is there a second to that? 02:28:30.080 --> 02:28:31.080 Commissioner Smith. 02:28:31.080 --> 02:28:32.080 I move to approve. 02:28:32.080 --> 02:28:33.080 I move second. 02:28:33.080 --> 02:28:34.080 Okay. 02:28:34.080 --> 02:28:40.440 So we have a motion on the floor to approve agenda items B through Y, excluding I and 02:28:40.440 --> 02:28:41.440 J. 02:28:41.440 --> 02:28:44.040 Is there any discussion? 02:28:44.040 --> 02:28:45.880 Okay. 02:28:45.880 --> 02:29:05.320 Call for a vote on the board. 02:29:05.320 --> 02:29:10.000 That motion passes 6-0. 02:29:10.000 --> 02:29:17.320 That takes us, I believe, to our matrix. 02:29:17.320 --> 02:29:20.000 That does not -- we do not have a matrix on this one. 02:29:20.000 --> 02:29:26.360 So that takes us to the end of our meeting, which I will adjourn at 7:58. 02:29:26.360 --> 02:29:26.800 Thank you, everyone.