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 Good morning. We are here at the Mobility Committee meeting Wednesday, November 29,

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 2023, 8 a.m. in our council work session room. We are going to start with our citizens' comments.

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 Have you all heard of any citizens' comments from anyone that we need to speak on? All

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 right? There's no citizens' comments. So the second thing, items for individual consideration,

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 we are going to start with AMC 23-048, consider approval of the minutes of October 25, 2023.

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 Is there any movement made? I'm sorry, I'm a little bit distracted. And I second. I'm

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 going to vote. All right. So minutes are approved. BMC 23-049, receive a report and hold a discussion

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 regarding the city that didn't transportation/mobility project status report. Good morning. Oh, there's

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 Mr. Brandon. Oh, Councilmember McKee. Good morning. That's okay. We're just getting started.

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 Obviously, we're right in here, right in between everything. Is that mine? Wow, I did that.

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 Look at that. I did that. He did it all by himself. Yes, I did. My name is John Polster

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 with Innovative Transportation Solutions, and I'm here to give the update on the transportation

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 projects within City of Denton, mostly on system projects. We're working on projects

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 that average about $4 billion, we're all told, once they're completed. And we'll start right

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 off with I-35 North. You'll note that there's ready-to-let dates, and there's let dates.

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 Those are because of where the money is in the fiscal years. But essentially, just by

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 the way, the luck of the draw occurred. The purple 076 job is currently under construction

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 with -- you all see that, too. I thought I was imagining that thing on the bottom. The

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 455 project that's going from the high school on the east all the way out to 2449. And then

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 the next two projects that are let, just because of the timing on the utilities, is the 081

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 to the north and the 116 to the north. And then last will be the 074, which starts right

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 where 77 ties in to 35 and goes all the way north. It'll be six lanes, and it's a total

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 of about $800 million, and the funding is secured in those accounts for those different

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 categories. And there's really no issues other than everything you see there with those bullets

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 or all utilities that we are working to make sure they hit their completion dates. And

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 it literally goes from A to Z on the number of firms we're working with. I apologize.

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 >> So on this item last month, there was -- forgive me, I forgot to look at the previous report.

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 One of the companies had not been chatting with you?

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 >> Bolliver Water. When we sent you this report, I think it was like a week ago, we ended up

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 getting in contact with Bolliver Water, and they are going to be able to hit our marks

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 that we need them to, and it's not going to require us to facilitate any of their work

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 with financial assistance. So we'll correct that on the next report. But yes, we are -- that's

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 what we do. We just keep going down every one of the utilities, and when they have an

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 issue, we work with them to see if we can't get it resolved cordially, and if not, financially,

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 and then a third thing. >> Appreciate that. Thank you.

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 >> I have a question. >> Yes, ma'am.

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 >> This is an education question. When you're doing projects like this, and we notice, of

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 course, recognizing the amount of work that's being done underneath there, what would be

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 -- what's the thing that could hold up a project like this, you know, more substantially?

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 >> Right. So the -- every project that has federal money on it goes through essentially

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 three stages. The first stage is environmental clearance, and depending upon the newness

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 of the road or the impact, the level of environmental clearance can be programmatic where you just

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 check a box or incredibly involved where you have to do a deep dive, and it goes from six

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 months to five years on the spectrum. Second is concurrent with that because you have to

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 do 30% design in order for the environmental document to know what to -- what you're impacting.

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 The second phase is to take it all the way through design, but it's not just design.

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 It's the design, which are the plans, specifications, which type of material, and then an estimate

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 so that the state will have a document that they can put on the street. Depending on the

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 project, that could be two years or more. >> Is that going on at the same time?

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 >> It's concurrent. So what you'll do is you get to 30% on the design, get to the environmental

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 document, and then about six months before you're cleared, you really press on -- because

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 you have to be able to respond to the public on their concerns, so you don't want to fully

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 design it until then. Then you do the design, and then that design is never the issue. So

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 as soon as it's cleared, what happens is you start to design and you begin right away acquisition

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 and utility relocation in that order, usually. And right away usually takes about a year,

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 and utilities can take about a year as well, and that's going on at the same time as you're

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 doing the design. And typically what you do is you hold the design back at 95%. So if

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 you'll look on the PS&E here, we are working on the 100% PS&E. We want to wait, right?

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 Because if something changes, we want to be able to make that change in the last 5%. So

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 when the right of way is acquired, the utility is relocated, and we finish the 100% design,

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 then the project is called ready to let. It's ready to be funded. And on our projects you'll

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 see most of the time there is a let date and/or funding. A lot of times there isn't any funding,

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 so the let date is an asterisk. We don't know when we're going to get the money. But all

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 told from the beginning of Iwanta Road to the road going under construction, somebody

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 like me or this fine crowd here, Becky, we've all been working on it from anywhere from

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 three to seven years. Okay. So that is -- thank you so much. Because I think it's just important

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 that folks out there know that what they're seeing right now has already been worked on.

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 For years. For years. And then when we see that word ready to let, that means now we've

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 got to get the funding from all the work that we've done. We did all the work, everything

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 except going to construction. Okay. So like when you look at 35 out there around Mayhill,

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 you see a lot of construction going on out there. Oh, yeah. I love it. But that's just

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 the utilities being relocated. Okay. They're getting out of the way. Okay. Thank you very

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 much. I appreciate that. And then same conversation on the merge except that this project will

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 go -- sorry. See, everything in my chivalrousness wants me to crawl down there and do that for

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 you. I don't know what I'm doing either. I didn't say they did. It's my nature. It's

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 my nature. I was raised by three older sisters. I know they don't. No, that was just him.

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 So this project is just under a half a billion at $480 million. And this project will go

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 to construction. You'll see that the ready to let date and the let date are the same.

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 So we got a couple of utilities with some dates in here, April, April, or before. And

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 we're going to let that project on the assumption that we're going to hit that mark. And this

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 is from the merge, both E and W, about North Texas Boulevard up and just north of the rural

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 track up all the way to 77. It'll be six lanes. And then between the merge and 380, there'll

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 be additional pavement for the future toll managed lanes. So come April, this thing goes

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 under the knife. I have a question. Yes, ma'am.

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 You mentioned something about the toll managed lanes. How quickly can those be opened up

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 after it's decided that they're going to be opened up?

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 So the problem with this part of the toll managed lanes is that everything from the

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 lake to here, when we did the interim project, we didn't buy all the right of way. And we

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 didn't put the footprint in place that is needed for the able to add the managed lanes.

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 So it'll be a while before we get from basically the lake to here with the toll managed lanes.

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 And the reason that is when we did the estimate back whenever that was 2012, we had one point.

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 So if you look, there's 480 million and 800. So real quick, that's about $1.3 billion.

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 The interim job from 380 all the way down to 635 was $1.4 billion. And so we had the

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 option of either building an interim, which in this case was putting a size 13 shoe foot

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 into a size seven shoe, right? Or spend a billion to on right away, get all the right

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 away, but not build anything. And so the state decided that that would look bad. So they

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 built the interim. And so we're doing breakout jobs. Mayhill up here, further south, we're

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 doing 1171, 121 in corporate, we're doing breakouts. Because once you get all the big

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 structures widened, it's easy to come in and do the main lanes in between. But it'll

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 be a while. And I don't want to speculate because there's dog years, people years and

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 highway years. And I'm talking about a while in highway years. But this goes under the

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 knife in April. And here's another one of those breakout jobs. It's just right at about

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 125 million. It's the Mayhill project. And this includes the northbound frontage road

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 and all the work at Mayhill plus the bypass at Brinker. Because the southbound frontage

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 road was built with the interim job because of the buckets coming in. So we're looking

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 at being ready to let just next year, first part of next year, and if we can in this current

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 unified transportation program, move that $124 million up into this current UTP that

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 they're drafting, then we can let it sometime in '24. Because if the money is funded, it's

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 just in '25. And there's always projects that are not making their mark. And so they

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 need to rearrange the dominoes, for lack of a better word. And we're going to put our

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 project in as a candidate for that. And it shouldn't be a problem because we don't have

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 -- you'll see we have category two, which are cog funds, and then category four, which

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 are the district's funds. So it shouldn't be a problem because the ones that give you

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 trouble if you need to move around too much are your category 12 funds. Because those

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 are clear lanes and strategic priority, and those are picked by the commission. And there's

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 always a political reason for that. So we don't have that on this project. So we think

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 that if we can stay on course for the February '24, during this current UTP update, we'll

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 be able to move it up. I think that's my favorite project right now. Mine, too. I live over

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 there. Because it impacts me quite greatly more than any of them. In y'all's job on

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 the Mayhill Bridge, that's going to be a game changer over there. It sure is. Excited about

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 that. Okay. So now we move over to the other 35W, 35W, 35, which is 30W. And we are -- this

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 project had been environmentally cleared since 2020. And so we're buying right away. And

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 the reason it's so long between the environmental clearance and right away acquisition is they're

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 only giving us tranches of money for right away at a time. So they're not giving it to

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 us all at once. And so you'll see here that it's 341 million for the two frontage roads

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 and there's an Astracon funding, which means that all we have on this project is money

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 for right away, no construction dollars. And the reason it's 341 is because every structure

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 2449, 407, Cleveland Gibbs, everything in between, all the bridges in between, we're

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 reconstructing the bridges at their ultimate width and configuration with the frontage

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 road. So it's not just the frontage road job, it's the frontage road and several large

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 interchanges. And we're going to be ready to let in 25. And there is no money. So when

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 there's no money and there's an Astrac you usually look over here and it's, it's always

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 five years or better out because that's no man's land in funding for transportation.

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 And those 5.57 miles. Yes, just because it would cut it in half. It's from the 2449 to

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 407 and then 407 down to Del Arnhardt is the next one. And then 2449 up to the railroad

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 track. And the reason that is, if you see here, that's nothing but really a lot of flood

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 plain area. And so nobody wants to touch it. Okay. So your project on 380 out east, we

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 are looking at being done next month. And it's looking like they're going to stick onto

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 that completion date. And this was where we took the road and we went six lanes when it

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 used to be for take away the flush median and put in a raised median with protected

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 left turn. So it's added capacity and improved safety. And going forward, if we need to look

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 at tweaking median openings, that's always possible as long as the city supports it.

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 Because the, that median is just basically pegged to the concrete except on the bridge.

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 That's where those, that's where those new neighborhoods or frontage stores or something

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 like that. You'd be able to navigate openings when they come through or those say it'll

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 be primarily where, where the city wants them. And if you agree with something that a business

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 wants, then we can look at it as long as it fits within the design criteria. But yeah,

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 you don't want to have too many openings because then you go back to the problem you had before.

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 And we're going to six lanes. And the reason that's important is when you have to take

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 a right to make a U-turn to come back, you can do the U-turn with six lanes. You can't

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 do it with four. And so we're, we're adding that third lane, which actually ends up being

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 your essentially your right turn lane. Okay. And then loop 288 West Frontage Road. So when

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 I said that somebody has been working on this, you know, five to seven, 10 years with this

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 one was, I started this when I was single and young and handsome. And now I've got three

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 kids out of college and it's, it's been a whippin, but we are cleared in 2020 the right

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 away. The reason the right away is taking that along is because all those white dots

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 you see are gas wells and we have to deal with those concurrent with the utility relocation

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 in the right at the same time. But we are pressing head. We've got everything resolved

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 at Underwood on the south end. And this is where, this is where the 35 job will stop

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 that I just showed you before. It goes from 2449, which will eventually be loop 288 South

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 to 407. So you'll be able to bypass. And I don't know what's happened lately. I don't

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 know if you've been out there, but I've traveled this road multiple times in the last 10 days

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 and the traffic is getting backed up so bad going north, it goes all the way to the little

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 creek underpass. So when we start 35, we'll wish we had 288 and then the other 288. So

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 we are pressing head with a July, 2025 environmental clearance we've done. We met with tech stock.

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 My firm met with tech start and the consultant just before the holidays had to come to Jesus

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 with that on the tie in. And we're going to, there are currently four alternatives that

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 were being shown to the public. When we bring it back to you, there will only be two. So

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 we'll cut our trauma in half by the time we get here. And we're looking at design speed.

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 So a 70 mile an hour design speed has flatter vertical and horizontal curves than a 60.

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 And it makes it where you can't miss as much. And so we're looking at looking at a lower

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 design speed because it's really supposed to be a connection, not a freeway. So we'll

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 bring all that stuff back to you probably before you will get with Becky before your

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 next mobility and then we'll figure out how to get you the info. Do we have any more clarity

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 on on that, that bypass alignment? Where exactly that's going? And you know, I know you're

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 saying you're taking down from from, you know, getting rid of two options, but I think we're

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 missing the endpoint and not that bypass, right? No, no, the bypass, the connections

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 from 380 to 288 is everything else is working inside the lines for lack of a better word.

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 It will be, so I refuse to answer that on the grounds of incriminating. Give us a little

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 bit of time. But with the outer, I'll continue this, the outer two alternatives are the least

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 viable and that's where the ones that impacted the most people. And when we looked at it

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 and tech, the consultant was saying we're impacting 14 homes. They were talking about

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 out here on this part of because they're saying, well, we know 380 is going to be a freeway

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 in the future, so we're just going to go ahead and buy the right away and do it now. And

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 I was a consultant saying that. And so after I fired them and then hired them back, we're

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 going to stop the project because it can be 20 years where I mean, the interim, I just

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 showed you the interim is going to be done in December, Texas going to want to get their

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 money out of that because that has five interchanges. So it's going to be a while before we do the

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 freeway. So one of the things we discussed was just truncating the end project wherever

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 it makes sense to transition from what you're direct connecting from to 380 as the existing

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 arterial, which is the sixth lane with a median. So we're shrinking the end, pulling in the

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 alternatives and then seeing if we can get a design speed that allows us to miss things.

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 as citizens, but I don't know that the consultants understood was there. Did we get any clarity?

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 further out, we're not even we're not near it. Okay. I appreciate that. Thank you. But

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 it's, the problem is, is if I share it with you right now, you'll share it. And then it's,

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 it's going to be old and I want to make sure I'm giving you the right stuff and I need

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 a little bit more time. Okay. Sure enough. Bonnie Bray. So again, Bonnie Bray is this

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 part of the 288 job. So we just show it as a breakout for you because it's shown as Bonnie

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 Bray seven and you're reporting. So it's part of our environmental clearance process and

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 it'll be paid for by the people who build this project, which is probably the County

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 and the state. So that's why we show it as a separate project. 1515 we're on the mark

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 still moving forward. There's no really critical path items for completion of the, all the

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 components for ready to let of June of 2025, we're just muddling through all the utilities

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 and changing. So until we get closer to the project, we, the state and the County in general,

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 if the city or developers or anybody comes in and says, Hey, we need to make a couple

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 that we can accommodate those things as we're going forward. So primarily we're working

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 we get closer to the right away and utilities being done. So we have flexibility to change

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 things that we need. So 1173 the right aways, the right away is acquired for this project.

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 with crumb. Uh, I think it's this week on the aesthetics of this intersection. And, uh,

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 what they want to do aesthetically, let them know what their options are. And then we can

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 incorporate that into the environmental document, but we're on track for an RTL of 25 with the

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 exception of everything east of the railroad track, which we've already progressed that

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 farther because we're going to add that to the 35 job. I have a question. Is that downtown

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 crime? That is literally that little tiny little corner space right there. And they

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 went, yes, no, yes, no, yes on whether or not they even wanted us to go down in there

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 because it's all historic. So that's, that's what is driving the breaking on the environmental

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 cause until we know exactly what they want us to do, we won't know the impacts in there.

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 Everything there is historical and as you know, uh, you step off the sidewalk and you're

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 in the 35 project. Yes, sir. Okay. Cause we're building the two projects break at 77 and

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 we want to go ahead and just get the connection built so that it's fair. Um, so we don't have

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 to come back and impact those properties twice. It makes sense. I just just want to make sure.

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 Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. So it just makes me ask, and I think we asked this before,

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 so I'm going to apologize for repeating myself. What happens to the old 1173 intersection

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 at 35? It just dead ends? No, uh, the state's going to want the city to take it at some point,

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 but we, they always want to have that conversation sooner than we want to have that conversation.

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 it deviates. And so what we're talking about doing is also, um, moving this at grade to

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 here, which would mean that this would be a U-turn or a dead end and this would be a

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 dead end. Uh, so this would be basically a long drive and this would be a drive back

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 and we tie this road back into the future 1173. So they still have access. They just

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 got a, we can't cross a railroad track, but you don't have to say yes, but they start

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 sweating you as you go forward on things. So the section east of the track between track

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 and 35 would only be accessible to the access road of 35. Is that correct? Correct. So if

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 you live, and I don't know who lives here, but if you, if you live here, you'd still

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 do what you always do. Come out and go this way. If you want to go this way, you got to

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 come out, go this way, come back up. Are there any homes that are currently there? I didn't

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 think anything. I don't think there is anything there. We expect some future growth, right?

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 mentioning, this roadway is now going to be taken off system. It's no longer going to

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 engineering team would have conversations to understand the implications, what works

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 best in coordination with the mobility plan. There are other roadways in this area that

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 at some later date will be connected or constructed. Currently, everything east of the railroad

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 track minus one home that has not been lived in for some period of time. Everything east

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 of the railroad track currently is development on the south side of 1173. So all those conversations

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 want to take over portions of the roadway, all of the roadway and parts of the reason

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 why John's mentioning the at grade crossing, possibly moving locations is anytime. And

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 we've mentioned this to you before you work with the railroad. There's the conversation

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 of a one to one swap typically doesn't happen. It's typically a one to two or a one to three.

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 that area. And one multifamily on the north side of 1173. I'm sorry, I was thinking on

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 the south side. There is one multifamily that's being constructed on the north side. So all

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 of those conversations will come into play as far as what's the best way to get folks

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 in and out that entire area is going to look and if you've been out that way, it looks

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 completely differently. I mean, it's currently being resurfaced by the developments that

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 are in that area for a large portion of it, but not the complete portion. So there will

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 be a lot of conversations that will have to be we're talking we're talking years. So

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 highway years? Yes, because we're just now getting around on Elm and Locus and we started

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 that conversation many, many moons ago. It was years. So it takes a long time for everybody

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 to agree on a turn back. So and I'm still arguing that if you say no, they'll just turn

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 it into business 1173 and wait for you to ask them for anything. And if this is a later

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 conversation, I'm happy to just say, I don't know yet or something. Will this track the

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 same way as Elm and Locus like they'll make improvements before we take it? Or maybe whatever

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 is up for whatever you all feel comfortable with. You don't have to buy the house, right?

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 I just didn't know all of when roads are turned over to the city, if they all kind of work

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 the same way as we're seeing with Elm and Locus. That's all. It depends. Each project

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 is separate. And in this particular case, what they're going to argue is they gave you

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 back a road called Bartow, just now 1173. And they're going to do the cul-de-sac-ing

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 because they have to in order to get the crossing at the new location. So and it's still their

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 road. Thank you. Okay. Nobody wants to talk about the outer loop, right? Nobody. We move

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 everything out there for their Expo Center area. And there are some concerns about where

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 can on a $800 million job, we are simply going to extend the bridge structure because Milam

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 air on a project like that. So we don't know where outer loop is going to be, ultimately

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 on the west. So we're just giving ourselves some flexibility on the 35 job. And then everything

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 else we're tracking with the Corps of Engineers. The Corps is telling us that that, and y'all,

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 I think y'all are in a concurrence with this, that the only place we can cross the Green

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 Belt is at 428 existing. And the current plan is since it's only 150 feet wide and we need

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 500 feet for the freeway, and the Corps is going, good luck with that. So we're looking

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 at a stack scenario where it'd be the frontage roads would be at grade and the main lanes

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 would go over. So it'd be stacked like this so it all comes up and then goes back out

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 so we don't impact and go outside the footprint that's already existing there. And then everything

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 else is pretty much just stuff. Those are the ones I think y'all can care about, is

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 Milan and the Green Belt. I have a question. You bet. The county, oh okay, I was just going

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 to ask where does Denton, will the, will the, I'm trying to figure out where does Denton

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 begin in that area. What's the, what's the, is it Milan Road or north of Milan Road or

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 south of Milan Road? So really honestly to be best we would need to be able to show you

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 the city limits map because there is a sliver that goes up through. So if you can very faintly

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 see the purplish color, that's kind of an outline block along 428. So a lot of that

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 is city of Denton city limits but it'd be best for us to show you on a map. It's almost

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 like you should like have a map like right here over there. Yeah, good idea. So one of

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 the things we're doing that I think y'all might be interested in is this is a 23 mile

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 long dam and watershed goes to Dallas. One of the things we're looking at doing is making

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 the outer loop a best management practices water conveyance scenario where we would take

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 the water, hold it, not hold it and let it slowly trickle down the Trinity River but

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 hold it and let it through, we haven't figured this part out yet, push it into the aquifers

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 so that we recharge the aquifer because we're at the tip end of the aquifer so if the aquifer

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 starts to dry up, we dry up first. So we're going to try to do something where we chase

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 the waterways further north and south so that they're larger hold and that they move towards

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 a filtration system that allows us to safely put rainwater, stormwater into the groundwater

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 and nobody knows how to do that yet so we're going to figure it out on the way. John, I

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 know you said not to invoke the Texas Parks and Wildlife because it's scary with the regulations

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 but if you're actually talking about detention areas that you want to drain from then the

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 one billion dollars would come in very handy to get some of that land to drain it into

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 the aquifer and all kinds of other things. I may have changed my mind on that because

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 we are actually a, Corps of Engineers put out this nationwide, I don't know what the

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 program was but we got to be the pilot so we are actually doing this in concurrence

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 with shoulder to shoulder with the Corps of Engineers so this is something they were wanting

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 to look at so I think it would be easy and if you've got to deal with the Corps, you

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 might as well just throw in the Texas Parks and Wildlife because they're not any worse

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 than the Corps to deal with. So yes, I think that we probably need to go back and look

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 nation where somebody's used a road to recharge an aquifer and we just think it's environmentally

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 the right thing to do because otherwise what the Corps of Engineers and what Cog wants

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 to do is take all of this land from half of Wise County and all of Denton County and turn

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 that it doesn't push water down to Dallas because they didn't plan properly and that's

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 not going to fly so we've got to come up with an alternative. We've got the outer loop,

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 we've got everybody's attention, we've got the Corps, we're going to see if we can figure

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 out some way to -- and it may be an amenity, right, where one of the things I'm envisioning

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 linear lake in between the main lanes, right, and it stays constant because we're slowly

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 recharging the aquifer and it takes longer to recharge the aquifer than it does to send

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 it downstream. So it's all up in the air. It's going to -- it will just cost the county

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 about $7 million to try to study it.

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 to be good stewards of the watershed. And here's where I stop talking.

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 >> Thank you, John. Elm and Locust has two different steps that we're currently working

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 through right now. First is a resolution, as we've talked to you about before, to actually

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 take over Elm and Locust from 380 all the way to Eagle Drive. That resolution is specific

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 to the actual right of way description of those roadways. It has nothing specifically

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 written about the construction that's going to happen from TxDOT or the construction that's

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 going to happen in concurrence with the county bond funding receiving -- that we've received

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 and also the project that Trevor's team is currently delivering for the water and sewer

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 relocations north of the courthouse, drainage improvements and of course that roadway completion.

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 At this time, we are working with TxDOT on how to move forward with taking a resolution

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 forward that would turn over a roadway to the city of Denton without a similar agreement

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 that states that they are going to complete the project they're supposed to complete and

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 that we are going to have the opportunity to complete the project we need to complete

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 north of the courthouse. So I'm working with TxDOT on that. I don't want to send a resolution

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 through council to approve and take over the roadway until I have some kind of agreement

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 that states they're going to complete, which I know they're going to. We have multiple

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 conversations. Everyone's in alignment. They're in agreement. But we need some kind of documentation

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 that states that. And so until we get to that point, which we are currently working through

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 with TxDOT -- Travis actually just emailed me today -- then you will not see that resolution

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 come forward. Been working on the resolution. Everything's ready to go. But we also need

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 some kind of document, whether it's an agreement through TxDOT, et cetera, that says they're

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 going to complete their portion of the project. They are working through all of the plans.

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 Their plans are very close to completion, and they anticipate starting construction

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 on the southern portion in 2024. But we just want to have both of those documents in hand

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 or some type of agreement before we move forward. >> And that's really not a minor thing because

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 I worked for Crowley as well, and Crowley has 1187 going through it, and they wanted

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 to turn back and do some stuff. And they needed -- because if you keep TxDOT in the loop,

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 if there's any federal money that you need to move or do stuff, then the state pays the

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 20% local match. And Crowley, being good citizens as they were, without my acknowledgement or

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 notice, passed a resolution saying that they would take over 1187, and they didn't put

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 any of the wiggle words in there. And so the commission adopted it two months later. And

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 then when I went back to try to get the local match from the state, they said, that's not

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 our road. So you don't want that to happen. So you need the belt of suspenders on this.

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 recommendation, it's a dual track process that needs to be taken through. And the resolution

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 is, like I said, specifically just for the land takeover. It has nothing to do with the

389
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:42,320
 agreement or the construction that TxDOT has to complete or the construction that the county

390
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:47,200
 and the city are working on. So we don't want to take over a roadway until we have that

391
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,400
 confirmation, whether it be an agreement or whether we bring the resolution forward after

392
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:57,120
 the construction is all completed. So just trying to protect the city in this perspective.

393
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:08,580
 >> Absolutely. Okay. Let's do a test. That's all I got.

394
00:45:08,580 --> 00:45:14,280
 >> Thank you, John. >> I think you're welcome. I mean, you are

395
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:21,680
 welcome, but I don't know where I was at. >> Okay. Well, then that takes us to CMC 23.

396
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:30,720
 Did you all have any other questions? I forgot to ask. Okay. So that's going to take us to

397
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:39,000
 CMC 23-051. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and approve the mobility committee 2024 meeting

398
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,440
 schedule. >> All righty. Thank you very much. So as

399
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 we do annually, we want to take the opportunity to go through the calendar for the 2024 calendar

400
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:56,160
 year. And one of the things, and I'll bring that up, one of the things that we wanted

401
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:03,120
 to also discuss today is the time of the meeting. So currently you can see the time or the dates

402
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:09,120
 for January all the way through December. You will note that the November and December

403
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:14,520
 meetings instead of being the fourth Wednesday of the month have been moved to the third

404
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:19,920
 Wednesday of the month due to the Thanksgiving and Christmas holiday weeks. And the purpose

405
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:26,140
 of the discussion today is to make sure that we all come in agreement as to what time that

406
00:46:26,140 --> 00:46:31,520
 meeting can start. And we currently have the meeting starting at 8 a.m. I do want to make

407
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:38,840
 mention that we do have staff that has to come in around 630, 645 a.m. to make sure,

408
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:43,480
 which they're happy to do, but to make sure that everything's ready and set up because

409
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:50,880
 this is live. And so there are some logistical things that do happen on those time frames.

410
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:56,320
 We would like to possibly recommend a 9 or 10 o'clock time frame, but wanted to give

411
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:01,720
 you all the opportunity to have that discussion as a committee and settle on what time you

412
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:09,240
 think is best. And then once that's all approved, you will receive the invitations from Megan.

413
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:14,360
 And we will work with the city secretary's office to make sure that the calendar is reserved

414
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:20,120
 for all of those dates starting in January on the 24th. So with that, I will open it

415
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:29,280
 up for y'all's discussion. Well, I will go first. And either one of you all can speak

416
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:44,760
 afterwards. I am good with the dates. Okay. The times I am good with 9 o'clock and could

417
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:54,160
 certainly work my schedule to 10 o'clock. I just happen to be retired. So let me throw

418
00:47:54,160 --> 00:48:01,040
 that in for you. So I'm good with either time, preferably 9. Okay. But I'll certainly go

419
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:11,440
 with 10. All right. Well, I'm going to join you in retirement on December 31st. So unfortunately

420
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:19,160
 for me, that means that I'm more flexible. So I'll do whatever y'all want. And that means

421
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:30,040
 that it is our other member of the committee who needs to be the PTA on this issue. What

422
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:46,000
 do you think? Oh, man. Sorry. I appreciate y'all. As the only working person going in

423
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:52,360
 the next year on here, I need 8 a.m. because I have to go to work after this. So my apologies

424
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:59,120
 to all of the staff who has to come in early. I'm up with you. So I would really like for

425
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:06,920
 us to keep 8 a.m. And I will continue to do my best on Wednesdays. But gosh, we're already

426
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:12,400
 here on Tuesday. That seems like to be a really great day if we could just move these to Tuesdays.

427
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,840
 But I recognize that that probably won't happen because there are three of us. So I'll just

428
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:23,220
 say that my preference is always going to be a day that council already meets on a Tuesday

429
00:49:23,220 --> 00:49:31,120
 at 8 a.m. So I will throw out. I will throw out the environment is currently Tuesdays,

430
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:35,560
 but that's not every week. It's not every week. We just have to be mindful twice a month.

431
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,240
 Right. You have to be mindful not to overlap that committee. Sure. We meet twice a month

432
00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:43,640
 because you and I are both on that committee. Yeah, we meet twice a month. There's a whole

433
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:47,380
 nother Tuesday in the month. That's always going to be my preference. But I respect that

434
00:49:47,380 --> 00:49:51,240
 you all have to agree. And of course, that has to agree. I'm amenable to that. If we

435
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:56,960
 keep Wednesday, I'll do my best. But I'd still really like eight a.m. So that way I can get

436
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,640
 out here and go to work. So I will say on Tuesdays, it probably will be very difficult.

437
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,480
 We can look at that time frame. But there's a lot of other meetings that happen on Tuesday

438
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,560
 other than just the committee on the environment. There's also an executive staff meeting that

439
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:16,080
 staff goes to every Tuesday at nine a.m. at the Civic Center. So happy to look at Tuesday,

440
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:21,560
 getting this room and it being able to be televised. And then, as you know, council

441
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:26,460
 could start at eleven thirty if we have a work session that starts early, if it's a

442
00:50:26,460 --> 00:50:31,220
 joint meeting with planning and zoning or the school district. Those meetings always

443
00:50:31,220 --> 00:50:36,000
 started eleven thirty and the same individuals who would need to prepare for this would have

444
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,960
 to start preparing for that around nine thirty. So I do think Tuesdays will be logistically

445
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:49,360
 an issue. You know, I understand the need for eight a.m. on the Tuesday mornings and

446
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:54,020
 if Wednesday mornings at eight a.m. work, I understand that. I do want to make sure

447
00:50:54,020 --> 00:51:00,440
 that we can have a quorum where the meetings have to be canceled. So, you know, I'm happy

448
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:06,900
 to have that discussion with the city secretary's office and the city manager's office. I know

449
00:51:06,900 --> 00:51:11,200
 we were looking, like I said, to try to move it later in the day, just simply from the

450
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:16,560
 fact that it is a logistical situation, especially if there's been a late council meeting that

451
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,680
 might not be over till midnight or one o'clock to have staff back here at six thirty in the

452
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:26,400
 morning to try to get set up for the meeting. So but I do know that you have a schedule

453
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:33,400
 that you're trying to work around with your work also. So if you can make a recommendation

454
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:39,440
 as a team or a group, a committee as to what you feel like is best, I will tell you that

455
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,720
 the city manager is interested in moving the meeting to nine a.m. also just so that it

456
00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:48,240
 is better suited for staff that's involved in it. But obviously we'll take those recommendations

457
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:52,360
 back to the city manager's office to see if they have anything additional that they'd

458
00:51:52,360 --> 00:52:00,640
 like to discuss with us as a team, as a committee and as staff. But happy to move forward with

459
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:15,460
 whatever your recommendation is. Well, I'll say that since you missed a few of these meetings,

460
00:52:15,460 --> 00:52:22,360
 which I don't I think is maybe about three. I actually think you've only been in attendance

461
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:32,760
 at two since you've been on the committee. And so with that, I believe you've missed

462
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:43,840
 possibly five or six. Oh Lord. We live. Let's move on. So with that being said, you know,

463
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:50,920
 I'm just kind of teasing on that part. But with that being said, I'm wondering if we

464
00:52:50,920 --> 00:53:00,500
 can compromise in that you stay on the committee and we move the time and you let us know when

465
00:53:00,500 --> 00:53:07,120
 you're going to be able to make it. And we may sacrifice that particular time when we

466
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:15,480
 know that you're going to be here. That might be, you know, I don't know, two or three or

467
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:21,720
 four or five times that you will be here. You know, what is our stance in regards to

468
00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:35,640
 members making it to the committee members meetings? Do we have Mr. Lawyer rules regarding

469
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:48,480
 uses for City Council members? I mean, we know we got forum stuff that Mayor Pro Tem

470
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:55,920
 and I have been making the many meetings. And we've been able to hold the meetings because

471
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:03,200
 of the quarrel. And so it hasn't been necessarily a big deal. But if we're talking about moving

472
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:09,720
 the time, is he going to be most likely be here or most likely not be able to make it

473
00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:18,520
 if we move to nine o'clock or if we even stay at eight o'clock? What's your schedule like

474
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:23,920
 if you're if you know that you're most likely not going to be here, which if there's nothing

475
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:33,320
 wrong with that, because we'll have a quarrel, then I'll go on going on in compromising in

476
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:37,320
 allowing us to put it at nine. But if on the times when you know that you're going to be

477
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:44,840
 here, then we can compromise and make sure that we hear at eight o'clock for you. That's

478
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:50,600
 the way I think. Yeah, and I'm happy to check with the city secretary's office to make sure

479
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:55,920
 that the so what I understand if I'm hearing you correctly, and I know Councilmember McGee

480
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:00,440
 obviously has a work schedule he's trying to work around so completely understand that

481
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:05,740
 if I'm hearing you correctly, move the time to nine a.m. unless Councilmember McGee can

482
00:55:05,740 --> 00:55:10,440
 confirm he can be here. And what I would just tell you on the confirmation, we could block

483
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:15,000
 the room as long as it's available in the city secretary's office allows us to do that.

484
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,320
 But the publishing and postings and cancellation of this meeting have a weekend at least a

485
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:24,200
 week in advance. So this would all be published on Friday. So he would have to be able to

486
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:29,160
 confirm Thursday or Friday if he's going to be here for the following Wednesday night,

487
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:34,800
 I just want to make sure you're aware of that in case for some reason, you're not available

488
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:39,680
 or aware to know that that far in advance. I don't I don't know anything about your work

489
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:45,920
 schedule or your business and I want to be respectful of that. The weeks that we have

490
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:52,040
 council on Tuesdays, it makes it extremely difficult for me to make the meeting the next

491
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:57,680
 day only because I thank God for my job. They have given me tremendous latitude with allowing

492
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:02,000
 me to do this. I will not continue to go back to the well because I want to be respectful

493
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:07,280
 of the fact that we do have business and I have customer obligations. So if we have a

494
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:14,880
 council on a Tuesday, I'm very difficult for me to also come in, go in late on Wednesday,

495
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:19,040
 albeit even an hour later because I have to meet my customer obligations. The weeks that

496
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:25,000
 we don't have council, I have a little more flexibility because I can sub my Tuesday for

497
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:30,480
 Wednesday half a day. That makes sense. So the weeks we don't have council, it makes

498
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:35,440
 it easier for me to do it 9am because I missed the Tuesday before that Wednesday meeting.

499
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:41,240
 Does that make sense? But if we have the Wednesday right after the Tuesday and hour later, that's

500
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:46,480
 probably going to be a no. Does that make sense? Yes it does. It makes sense to me.

501
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:55,760
 So what if, I'm sorry, go ahead. I like to give. No, I'm flexible so I'm trying not to

502
00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:01,280
 insert too much. I'm okay with whatever, I mean you're running the meeting and you're

503
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:07,720
 the one with the scheduling conflict so I'm trying not to insert too much because my schedule

504
00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:14,020
 is going from very tight to very flexible this month. Can I just say, I can't wait

505
00:57:14,020 --> 00:57:17,880
 to be retired one day. I can't wait to be in this situation. It looks nice from over

506
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:25,480
 here. Oh yeah, it is. So would you like for us to evaluate the calendar based on the future

507
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:31,080
 council calendar to see when those meetings are? Most of the time they're typically the

508
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:36,040
 second and fourth Tuesday. We're currently on the fourth Wednesday of the month to see

509
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:41,480
 if we moved and if the room is available for the third Wednesday of the month and then

510
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:46,520
 moving to 9 a.m. and we could bring that back at the December meeting and make those decisions

511
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:51,480
 at that time for the January meeting. Does our schedule typically need two and four for

512
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:57,400
 council? Yes. Let not. Because a couple of them, I know a couple of them are different.

513
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:02,520
 Not always consistently. Like this we miss one, December is different. Right, so December

514
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:07,840
 we're meeting the fifth and the 12th just simply because of the council. I mean because

515
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:12,600
 of Christmas holiday but we could look at that and try to compare to see if there's

516
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:17,720
 a happy medium and you can also always skip a monthly meeting if you have to if there

517
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:24,320
 is you know in July there's some times that y'all take the time off or the council agenda

518
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:29,120
 is a little bit less. So we could look to see if there's a balance that could come from

519
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:38,720
 that. That reminds me I will be out the entire and it's germane to this issue because we're

520
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:43,720
 meeting quorum with Vicki and I, Council Burt and I. So I will be out the entire month of

521
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:49,640
 July. Okay. So there will be no no time in July for any committee or the council where

522
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:58,680
 I will be available. So in July we're scheduled to meet two and three and four the third and

523
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:09,640
 fourth week council is. So 16th and the 23rd. Interesting. Okay well so if maybe if we met

524
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:18,040
 on the 31st. Yeah so yeah I got to go through all that of course. What I would propose is

525
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:24,640
 that we have the council or that we have the council calendar through the year we can go

526
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:29,440
 in and put those calendars maybe with it that color with a different color in a different

527
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:36,160
 shape on the entire calendar and work to make sure it's all about a room availability and

528
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:41,960
 then obviously the ability to be live and we can take that and review it to see if we

529
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:48,920
 can find a way that we can find a solution. Yes sir that's fine. No you're fine to move

530
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:56,180
 to a different time and day that might work more flexible with the council calendar. Does

531
00:59:56,180 --> 01:00:01,680
 that make sense? I'm good with that. I'm good with that. I think that that's just be a healthy

532
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:09,360
 compromise for this young man to you know stay stay on this committee and for us allowing

533
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:15,560
 him to do that. So that's what we can do. I suppose if we if there we can reach an accommodation

534
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:21,300
 then he can make the decision on whether he wants to stay on the committee or not. Yes

535
01:00:21,300 --> 01:00:26,340
 I think that that will make sense and then we can also look at the terms to understand

536
01:00:26,340 --> 01:00:31,780
 when the terms are actually up to and how that impacts the overall yearly calendar too.

537
01:00:31,780 --> 01:00:39,000
 So that way you have the full picture. The whole picture that's what we need. Okay. Okay

538
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,800
 well I think I have everything I need for this item. Okay. Ben I don't know if you had

539
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:52,320
 anything you were gonna add. You're good. To your question yes I guess three three unexcused

540
01:00:52,320 --> 01:01:01,980
 absences are I guess considered cause under the charter. Okay and then I'm the chair would

541
01:01:01,980 --> 01:01:08,600
 have to initiate that. Does that come through the city? I think since it's appointed by

542
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:15,160
 the board. Okay so the chair. Okay all right thank you. Okay. Oh I'm sorry. Would you

543
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:22,160
 repeat that for Councilor. Oh okay we were talking about that. Under the section under

544
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:31,200
 the city code of chapter 2 it's three absences for members. It's considered cause. It can't

545
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:39,320
 be considered cause for removal under the charter. And so that was just a response to

546
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:46,000
 chair's question. If that is the will of the body I understand. No no not I mean it's the

547
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:50,360
 full body. Yeah the full body. So I mean hey. And that was situated long before we got here.

548
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,040
 Council we already know council's not designed for regular folks. It's not for rich folks

549
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:58,320
 and retired folks. So I understand that. I will be happy to adjust if council decides

550
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:03,600
 to appoint somebody else. So Councilmember McGee just so you are aware what we discussed

551
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:09,280
 and will bring back in December is taking the calendar putting the future council dates

552
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:14,440
 on here that are already currently scheduled. We have that for the year looking at the terms

553
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:22,560
 to when these modifications might be made based on if there's new council elections

554
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:27,720
 and then also trying to find that happy medium to make sure the rooms available and be on

555
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:31,320
 the Wednesday where there's not a council meeting looking at possibly 9 o'clock is the

556
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:37,800
 start time. So we'll bring that back in December. That would absolutely be amenable. Okay wonderful

557
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:47,920
 thank you all for the discussion. All right so we're going to move on to DMC 23-050 staff

558
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:56,240
 memorandums. There was a short person up here before. Good morning Trevor Crane director

559
01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:00,960
 of capital projects. So I'll start off with a couple of project updates and then I'll

560
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:06,400
 hand it off. So we'll make this a little bigger. So starting off with Bonnie Bray. So Bonnie

561
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:12,720
 Bray phase three that is currently under construction started last month. So the contractor has

562
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:18,360
 mobilized and has started work. Project has a 30 month construction schedule so a little

563
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:25,080
 while but we're starting work and you starting to move on on that project. Bonnie Bray phase

564
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:31,200
 six so we're looking to advertise for bids. Probably going to be either late this month

565
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:36,960
 we may hold off advertising to Q1 of next year just because during the holidays we get

566
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:42,080
 a lot of design I mean contractors that aren't really paying attention so we want to make

567
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:47,540
 sure we get good coverage on that. So we may consider moving that and starting that advertisement

568
01:03:47,540 --> 01:03:52,720
 beginning of next year. So we're working on right of way and rearrangement agreements with

569
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:57,560
 Eagle Ridge which will allow us to get our state letter of authority from TxDOT which

570
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:05,280
 allows us to bid. So once that project starts we have an estimated two year construction

571
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:15,000
 schedule and we're anticipating that starting like I said late Q1 or early Q2 of next year.

572
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:20,760
 Hickory Creek phase three so that project is currently we had to put on hold we're working

573
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:25,440
 through an issue with the railroad right now. So we're anticipating that being resolved

574
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:32,800
 here in the next couple weeks and the contractor remobilizing back on site in January. We don't

575
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:38,720
 foresee that affecting the total schedule too much maybe just a month or two but once

576
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:45,640
 we get them back on we'll be ready to rock and roll and start construction on that again.

577
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:51,720
 Any questions on Bonnie Bray or Hickory Creek three before I turn it over to my counterparts.

578
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:58,400
 I don't have any questions. You don't have any questions? Yes. So that was the alignment

579
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:06,400
 on Hickory Creek was for the railroad issue that was well you know what I tell you what

580
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:12,880
 I will refresh my memory and then I'll reach out to Becky. Yeah so we're actually the bridge

581
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:17,520
 is going over the railroad so the issue we're working through is we're actually decommissioning

582
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:23,200
 that crossing as a part of the project in order for us to get on their property to do

583
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:27,480
 the work we need to do we need an agreement with the railroad which we're working through

584
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:32,000
 right now. So the issue really the big issue was Kansas City Southern got bought out by

585
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:36,840
 Canadian right when we were about to get the agreement agreed to and so they had to send

586
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:44,360
 it all the way back through their new legal team so. Do that we have the same I know UPR

587
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:51,280
 is a pain on the two for one which I think I will say publicly and on the mic is BS but

588
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:58,880
 yeah I don't care what we get. So this one's actually a little bit. Are we going to be

589
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:08,160
 able to bank this as a closure? We will use that in the future if we can but if it works

590
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:15,960
 it's yet to be seen. Do we generally try to bank closures? So normally we try to do them

591
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:20,720
 at the same time so that we will say hey we're closing these two we want to get this one

592
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:25,960
 or we're closing these three. Normally we don't just close them without having something

593
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:32,460
 in mind to to open a new one. So this is a first for me usually we're trying to add one

594
01:06:32,460 --> 01:06:36,600
 so we're scrambling trying to find other ones we can close. And do the other railroads have

595
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:43,360
 the same two for one? Yes two or three. Their goal is really safety and so the safest railroad

596
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:47,840
 is one where no one's track no one's crossing it which doesn't necessarily work for other

597
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:53,960
 mobility so. I appreciate that thank you. Great thank you. You have any questions? Before

598
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:57,960
 you go. Oh come on. The beard looks great. Thank you man I appreciate it. Friday's coming

599
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:01,920
 are you getting rid of it? Um I've been thinking about it but I'll probably let it keep going.

600
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:07,340
 I like that good man. Yeah. Grow and since I couldn't grow live vicariously. I love it

601
01:07:07,340 --> 01:07:26,560
 thank you. Morning Chandra senior engineer transportation services. I'm here to present

602
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:32,480
 on existing school facilities and traffic issues. We don't have any policy but as a

603
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:38,840
 procedure we address safety congestion and queuing issues around schools based on complaints

604
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:44,840
 from primarily from citizens via engagement and or social networks or if there is any

605
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:50,280
 issues from the schools they approach us then we go and make observations during the morning

606
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:58,520
 drop off pick up hours on a fairly typical day for a normal periods and we have discussing

607
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:05,920
 with the school staff or school principal or the transportation or school safety officers

608
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:12,160
 who are in charge for those schools to find out what issues they have and follow up with

609
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:18,560
 our recommendations based on our field observations and if it's major changes then we would sit

610
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:24,880
 down with the businesses or churches anything nearby to address what we can do or stagger

611
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:31,600
 operations from schools point of view so that's typically our procedure from existing schools

612
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:41,280
 and we implement based on input from everybody and for newer schools I'll pass on to Karina

613
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:50,080
 for new months like high school and that comes along. Yeah. No question. Sure. So I understand

614
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:59,520
 that in it at the end these improvements could be and you give a laundry list. In general

615
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:08,040
 I mean is it is the is you know considering reversing traffic where would we be thinking

616
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:13,080
 about which schools and things would I mean I'm trying to nail you down to a solution

617
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:19,000
 set because the whole point of this item is we figure out a solution to that school's

618
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:27,920
 issues. But I'm trying to understand I can't I'm not envisioning anywhere in town where

619
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:34,360
 traffic reversals would work and so that's what's giving me pause you know some of the

620
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:40,680
 one ways and staggerings and lanes and all that is more standard stuff but I'm not because

621
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:46,200
 y'all brought it up I'm trying to think where would you pull the trigger on that tool in

622
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:52,980
 any of the schools in town. One of them in my past this is my second round in city of

623
01:09:52,980 --> 01:10:02,240
 Denton. Three years ago before covid we considered around King's Row and we did not implement

624
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:08,800
 because it was not favorable and also it is a complete like a learning experience residents

625
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:14,960
 how to drive around. So it's an option in the toolbox but it won't fit for every situations

626
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:21,040
 but that's an option. You know I understand it's it's you know I guess what I'm asking

627
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:31,680
 is do we envision that is a solution that is if there's a 0.0001 likelihood of pulling

628
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:36,480
 screwdriver out of the toolbox then I'm not going to bother talking to not bother but

629
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:42,160
 I'm going to not end up spending a lot of time communicating with citizens that this

630
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:47,560
 is an option but if we think there's a chance that that will be used then I guarantee you

631
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:53,360
 there will be a lot of concerned about where and how that works. So I understand we want

632
01:10:53,360 --> 01:11:05,360
 to cross that bridge possibly pun intended when we come to it but I guess when we do

633
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:12,460
 come to that I'm going to ask for a lot of lead time and a lot of description and I mean

634
01:11:12,460 --> 01:11:17,920
 way more than you would for other things because I can see the public going crazy on something

635
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:22,760
 like that is they don't understand and it will require a lot of education outreach and

636
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:28,680
 training if that's the tool. Now I'm not trying to dissuade you from using that tool but like

637
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:33,160
 I just can't vision where we would put that in any of the schools that I'm aware of so

638
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:45,720
 maybe a lot of education would be involved in that is what I mean. Sure definitely. You

639
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:53,880
 know as you're speaking I'm thinking here in regards to working with the schools I don't

640
01:11:53,880 --> 01:12:03,400
 believe that we would have a difficult time with didn't ISD you know accepting recommendations

641
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:08,960
 you know in that regard and the odd thing is is that when you were talking initially

642
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:16,200
 I was thinking about the King's Row people and my question to you all is since we've

643
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:22,280
 had that big conversation I guess it must have been last year or year before last in

644
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:30,080
 regards to the parents picking up in the cars backing out onto 288 now that we've gone past

645
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:35,640
 the COVID situation are we still experiencing those kinds of things around in that area

646
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:41,200
 or has it kind of slowed down are we back to normal or what I just hadn't heard anything.

647
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:46,520
 I just got back into the city. Were you the one that was kind of dealing with that? Yes.

648
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:52,880
 Before COVID and right after COVID and after two years hiatus I'm just back. Okay okay

649
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:56,520
 well it's good to have you back. Sure thank you. Councilmember Bird I can speak a little

650
01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:01,800
 bit to that we have currently not heard any additional conversations or communication

651
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:07,320
 with that area in great depth there is a lot of conversation that's happening with the

652
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:11,800
 development community in that area and Karina can speak maybe to some of that when she's

653
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:16,800
 talking about her portion on new facilities but I will tell you that Chandra along with

654
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:24,280
 several others worked very hard to try to find new routes and new ways to facilitate

655
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:29,280
 with that school with the principal with the bus pickup and the difference between you

656
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:35,040
 know the K through two versus the three through five and the time frames associated with that

657
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:39,880
 where the facilities made sense as far as where the actual buildings are located for

658
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:44,560
 pickup and drop off and so there have been a lot of conversations there were modifications

659
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:49,960
 made to some of the signing and signaling in that area and at this time we haven't heard

660
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:55,120
 a whole lot of additional conversation and it seems to be working very smoothly at this

661
01:13:55,120 --> 01:14:01,840
 point so I know that there is obviously a lot of a lot of development that's going to

662
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:09,160
 be continuing to happen that area also keep in mind there was a traffic signal that was

663
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:15,440
 completed in that area where there were some work done in that area to redo that intersection

664
01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:20,840
 and so that did help and improve from text dot's perspective on the loop so but of course

665
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:24,960
 if there are continued questions or concerns that come up I know transportation services

666
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:32,400
 will work through that so yes sir yeah I just comment I have and so what I'll do is I'll

667
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:36,960
 chat with you guys offline about some of the feedback that I've received so we don't take

668
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:47,240
 time okay thank you thank you sure let me move this down all right Karina Maldonado

669
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:53,280
 transportation planner with transportation services so I'll kind of jump back to Chandra's

670
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:57,880
 topic and some of the questions that you asked so in relation to that tool in our toolbox

671
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:04,720
 for reversing flow to assist a school if that situation were to come up we would probably

672
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:12,400
 ask for some sort of traffic study to assist in identifying whether it does work not just

673
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:17,040
 for the school in the general area but the traffic distribution around it and so that's

674
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:23,720
 a similar situation to the the school hodge elementary off Kings Row that was the situation

675
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:28,480
 where the development came in we knew about traffic issues with the elementary and so

676
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:33,440
 that was part of their traffic study was to assess it so it wasn't DISD but it was the

677
01:15:33,440 --> 01:15:41,320
 development that did that so with that I'll jump back into how we handle coordination

678
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:49,160
 with DISD and the other universities if they were to come in with a new facility or even

679
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:56,000
 an expansion of a facility so that's still an option so we regularly work with those

680
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:01,040
 entities DISD and the universities through a pre-development process so I think you're

681
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:06,240
 aware through development services of our pre-application meetings so once you know

682
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:11,360
 they come in with a new school idea I'll say Ronnie Road Elementary is a good example of

683
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:16,680
 the latest one in Denton High School so they'll come in we'll look at their preliminary layout

684
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:21,480
 and we'll give them feedback from a traffic perspective we will look at their access points

685
01:16:21,480 --> 01:16:26,760
 their circulation their stacking especially based on their timing of school pickup and

686
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:33,520
 drop off their bus loops as well as employee parking so we do take a more thorough look

687
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:39,360
 up front to make sure that we're capturing that I'll say Denton High School's probably

688
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:45,320
 the latest example of the development review process and us going through evaluating traffic

689
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:49,680
 flows and entry points and so I think maybe some minor hiccups but it's always a learning

690
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:57,960
 process so with that through the development process they're also responsible for complying

691
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:02,800
 particularly DISD not so much the universities but they're responsible for complying with

692
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:08,360
 our Denton Development Code our criteria manual that's applicable at the time of submittals

693
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:13,800
 our mobility plan and any other industry standards so that is the process that we follow with

694
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:25,240
 new facilities. Do we have a current expectation since we bring

695
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:35,440
 up Denton High School and the new Riney Elementary whatever it's going to be called but what

696
01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:39,320
 is the functional name? Riney Road Elementary is that what we're calling that project? That's

697
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:43,480
 the project name we've used through the development process that I don't know that that's necessary

698
01:17:43,480 --> 01:17:49,400
 to name them after the fact so the Riney Road Elementary Denton High School I get a lot

699
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:56,560
 of concerned questions about traffic flow up and down Bonnie Bray I know that's nothing

700
01:17:56,560 --> 01:18:09,540
 new y'all feel tons of that I looked around and do we have a I know we don't like to get

701
01:18:09,540 --> 01:18:20,080
 tied to particular stop signs and control access mechanisms until later in the process

702
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:27,640
 because it has there's some expectation management you're trying to do with the public where

703
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:33,200
 you don't want to tell them something that isn't coming in but I will tell you some of

704
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:37,960
 the heartburn from the public is because they don't know what's coming in and they see the

705
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:47,880
 fog of war only and it looks like that outer loop map oh sorry and so what I guess what

706
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:54,880
 I'm saying is do we have a best practices guide to how we're going to treat North Bonnie

707
01:18:54,880 --> 01:19:02,440
 Bray you know in an ideal world where you're saying you're telling the public what these

708
01:19:02,440 --> 01:19:06,880
 are the options that we think we're exploring we're not nailing it down I know we don't

709
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:12,680
 like to do that but I think a lot of the heartburn is the public I'm getting sort of feedback

710
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:18,120
 that makes me think the public thinks we're doing nothing even though we're not we're

711
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:22,160
 doing a lot of things we just haven't nailed it down to where you feel comfortable telling

712
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:29,920
 the public so all you know Windsor Reiny Road Bonnie Bray the traffic flow patterns we hear

713
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:33,880
 a lot of the options here in this committee the traffic safety committee the former traffic

714
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:39,000
 safety committee heard some of that development services and so I guess what I'm asking for

715
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:49,120
 is on discussed dent or somewhere that the council can point to could we get what we

716
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:55,960
 would like to have aspirational goals for some of these areas so that the public sees

717
01:19:55,960 --> 01:20:01,800
 oh and I know it's gonna there's the potential to get in trouble quote-unquote with the public

718
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:09,280
 because then they'll yell about those aspirational goals but I still think it's that responding

719
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:16,760
 to that disquiet is better than responding to the uncertainty of telling them nothing

720
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:21,720
 and so is there is I guess that's a long-winded preamble is there something we could get to

721
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:26,860
 where we can you know narrow the funnel a little bit and tell them yeah we're the team

722
01:20:26,860 --> 01:20:31,080
 is on top of this we're not doing nothing and I think that's what I'm trying to ask

723
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:35,700
 for especially for Bonnie Bray especially for Kings Row these are these are problem children

724
01:20:35,700 --> 01:20:41,680
 areas so I I can't speak on the process that you're I think what I'm picking up is is you're

725
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:47,160
 asking for more public input during the site design process and feedback to the public

726
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:52,880
 okay feedback to the public since this is DISD and our zoning regulations require that

727
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:56,640
 they're they're permitted by right and so they would follow our standard development

728
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:02,680
 review process and currently the the process is administrative it doesn't go through council

729
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:10,520
 at any point shy of changing that development code and requiring more public comment on

730
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:16,360
 that type of application there really isn't a mechanism at this time however we could

731
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:23,160
 suggest or recommend that DISD has more community meetings to allow that feedback to come in

732
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:29,440
 but but the way that our process works now is because they come in by right through an

733
01:21:29,440 --> 01:21:37,240
 administrative process there's no specific use permit required we've we evaluate their

734
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:44,720
 design based on current standards unless there was some sort of criteria manual for DISD

735
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:49,120
 that's another new process that would have to be created yeah I think it's too too dense

736
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:55,960
 to too too much of the standard process that I'm not trying to we should do that I think

737
01:21:55,960 --> 01:22:03,840
 this is more is there is there a roadmap kind of concept so that and again I make the analogy

738
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:09,960
 to the outer loop fog like that's what the public sees and that that gives them heartburn

739
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:15,240
 if you were to say when we started nailing down and again I'm on topic because I'm using

740
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:24,400
 this as analogy I felt Ben but as soon as we nailed down Milam and the bridge and the

741
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:29,560
 other connection I can't remember out to the east for the outer loop people started to

742
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:33,520
 feel more comfortable because there was predicted but they understood where it was headed and

743
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:38,960
 so I guess what I'm saying is do we have a thing that the council can refer the public

744
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:45,560
 to that says okay in situations where two arterials come together we anticipate we would

745
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:50,400
 use these options and rainy road we might use these options we don't know which and

746
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:54,520
 you know here's five option but so I know it's going to depend on the final design plan

747
01:22:54,520 --> 01:23:00,080
 but I'm trying to get the heartburn of the public lowered yep absolutely so Trevor Crane

748
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:05,600
 director of capital projects so I would say I would point them to our general standards

749
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:10,280
 you know mobility plan first that tells you kind of what that roadways supposed to be

750
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:15,720
 arterial collector you know whatever then in our general and our standard specifications

751
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:21,960
 and standard details it it tells you what a standard arterial will look like whether

752
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:27,240
 it's four lanes two lanes all those types of things so going back to Bonnie break the

753
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:33,400
 intent was you know we we we had those conversations with the ISD prior to them building that school

754
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:37,880
 the high school so the intent was to have Bonnie Bray completed before that school was

755
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:42,080
 was done obviously didn't happen a lot of federal funds were involved in that a lot

756
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:47,520
 of hoops to jump through so now we're kind of getting there so the intent is to have

757
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:53,280
 Ronnie Road east done before Ronnie Road elementary school and that's that came about with communication

758
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:58,360
 with the ISD they put off building that school for another you know an extra year so that

759
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:02,920
 we could get all that infrastructure in first I would say so that's always the intent we

760
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:07,760
 want to get there before the schools get there so that the infrastructure is there because

761
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:12,120
 we know they're going to build a school there after the fact I would point them you know

762
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:16,880
 just to discuss didn't once we get to a certain point in those design plans like now on Bonnie

763
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:21,720
 Bray six I'm very comfortable telling people hey this is what that's going to look like

764
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:25,000
 this is where we're going to have traffic signals this is where we're going to have

765
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:28,480
 stop signs and actually I've been fielding calls on that you know in the last month or

766
01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:36,360
 two so no issues with that if there's questions specific like Bonnie Bray six we have a place

767
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:40,240
 on discuss then where you can ask a project manager hey can you tell me if there's going

768
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:44,660
 to be a traffic signal at you know Ronnie Road and Bonnie Bray absolutely we can give

769
01:24:44,660 --> 01:24:49,240
 you that information so that's where I would kind of point there so the intent is always

770
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:55,440
 for us to get there prior and have that infrastructure in for the school system but we're happy to

771
01:24:55,440 --> 01:25:01,600
 share that information and even you know even if we don't have 60% 100% plans we can easily

772
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:05,440
 give you know point people to our details and say this is what the intent is this is

773
01:25:05,440 --> 01:25:09,880
 what we're trying to build kind of like we talked through you know with the bond 2023

774
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:13,200
 bond this is what we'd like to build I don't know until I get out there and start looking

775
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:17,400
 at right away and those types of things but this is what our mobility plan tells us to

776
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:20,400
 build this is where we're trying to get to and that's something we work through with

777
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:24,320
 our transportation planning where they kind of go through that planning piece and saying

778
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:27,640
 hey this is what it needs to look like and then we get a hold of it and say well this

779
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:30,880
 is what we can do because we got right away and those types of things so it's kind of

780
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:36,620
 that back and forth if I can make a recommendation in the age of self-service on the internet

781
01:25:36,620 --> 01:25:42,840
 that we all enjoy if I can make the recommendation if you get the same question more than twice

782
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:47,840
 that that becomes an FAQ right that's the way I handle my desk at UT and if you get

783
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:53,440
 this if you get as much things as you can put on a map that they can go okay I feel

784
01:25:53,440 --> 01:25:59,200
 better now and walk away you may you may avoid questions and get 20% of your workday back

785
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:03,840
 again and I know that's the goal yeah absolutely no that's great we'll take that appreciate

786
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:08,060
 it and the only thing I would add is Trevor just gave a presentation recently to the Planning

787
01:26:08,060 --> 01:26:13,520
 and Zoning Commission that talked a lot about what's happening really north of 380 south

788
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:20,340
 of 77 kind of in that entire area there's a lot of parts and pieces to I-35 connection

789
01:26:20,340 --> 01:26:27,560
 to Windsor Windsor Westgate Bonnie Bray Riney Road there's a lot of things happening in

790
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:33,560
 that kind of triangular portion of the town and so maybe one of the things to Trevor

791
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:38,920
 we can consider is adding that presentation to discuss Denton if bare minimum even just

792
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:43,620
 the picture that shows all the roadway projects because we know that they're all connecting

793
01:26:43,620 --> 01:26:47,280
 because we're working on them every day and we know you can go to each individual discuss

794
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:52,120
 Denton page but there actually is a map that's been created that shows all of that information

795
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:56,840
 which I think would help share the story no I think that's excellent and I was I know

796
01:26:56,840 --> 01:27:02,640
 we have the mobility map but it doesn't have everything y'all know so anyway thank you

797
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:05,720
 and that's kind of bridging the gap just to be completely honest with you the mobility

798
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:10,720
 plan is one document it's a planning level document Trevor's plans are construction level

799
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:15,720
 plans but there is that gap of putting together here's what that whole picture looks like

800
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:20,720
 with all of these different projects taking that mobility plan from a plan to reality

801
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:24,600
 so I think that will help with that conversation I appreciate that thank you absolutely and

802
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:33,480
 then the also the other part of that is you know having the city to really push people

803
01:27:33,480 --> 01:27:40,040
 and also city council members when we speak to our constituents and seems like they want

804
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:46,320
 to somebody else to give them you do the research and give them the answer and if we can do

805
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:52,440
 a better job and saying hey that's on discussed in but then when you go to discuss Denton

806
01:27:52,440 --> 01:27:58,240
 the communication and the ease you know the kindergarten level push button in my head frequently

807
01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:04,560
 asked question you know thing is right there at the front closer to the front so I'll certainly

808
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:11,200
 charge the city with marketing discussed didn't at a higher level I think I had mentioned

809
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:15,000
 something about putting it on a billboard discussed in dot com you know as you're coming

810
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:21,200
 in to the city but that was certainly I would I would definitely want to charge the city

811
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:25,680
 we're doing that thank you for bringing that up because I had that in my head somewhere

812
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:34,000
 deep down in there that's probably coagulated a little bit in there so to come get back

813
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:40,660
 to where we were ma'am please and did you have anything all right so let's go ahead

814
01:28:40,660 --> 01:28:45,800
 all right there were you done yes that was the end of the topic questions thank you thank

815
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:52,360
 you very much I'll stick up here just for shy bit longer so back in September the mobility

816
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:59,200
 committee requested some information generally about bicycle etiquette I kind of expanded

817
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:03,980
 that to bicycle pedestrian etiquette the topic came up related to the facility north of

818
01:29:03,980 --> 01:29:10,680
 us here on Parkway the multi-use path with bollards how to navigate that and then generally

819
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:17,400
 how to navigate other facilities that also have bollards so without reading through the

820
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:23,000
 pretty lengthy description I thought it would be best to assist in providing you with the

821
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:30,520
 visual because I know I work better with the visuals if you tell me left and right my brain

822
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:36,420
 starts to blink out so what I did here is I provided the facility on screen for you

823
01:29:36,420 --> 01:29:43,800
 this is I believe this is at Elm and Parkway could be wrong it might be Locust but nonetheless

824
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:50,520
 it is on Parkway so this is that multi-use path that was proposed as a pilot project

825
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:57,920
 in the city of Denton it is a on-street multi-use path it is intended for shared use for bicycles

826
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:04,720
 and pedestrians so it is not intended to be solely a bike lane it is a bidirectional facility

827
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:10,760
 for pedestrian cyclists and micro mobility so if someone wants to go on their scooter

828
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:17,840
 they could use that facility so that facility runs from Carroll Boulevard to Congress Street

829
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:24,520
 as a shared path so navigating I thought would be best obviously we know it is bidirectional

830
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:29,700
 you would use the entire facility to walk through or cycle through but at the terminus

831
01:30:29,700 --> 01:30:35,320
 is where there is potential confusion with how to enter exit the facility so at Carroll

832
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:44,600
 Boulevard / Parkway sorry this is on the west end I provided some yellow maybe that was

833
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:50,400
 not the best color but a yellow arrow to just show if someone was trying to exit the facility

834
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:59,680
 going westbound they would use the crosswalk to then go west to west of Carroll if they

835
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:05,720
 were to and same if they were coming from that direction wanting to enter north eastbound

836
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:10,880
 they would again use the crosswalk the crosswalk facility so the push signal there they would

837
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:19,800
 use that to safely cross Carroll and then coming from the south again using that facility in

838
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:24,680
 for cyclists it might be slightly different there is no specific bicycle facility but

839
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:29,440
 we do have a state law and a safe passing ordinance that does allow cyclists to take

840
01:31:29,440 --> 01:31:36,360
 the full lane if someone was bold enough to take the full lane on Carroll they could enter

841
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:42,720
 through at the intersection cross preferably at the crosswalk and then enter the facility

842
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:49,520
 to go eastbound so making the way towards the eastern terminus of the project this is

843
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:57,640
 where congress aligns with the one way into the parking lot for Emily Fowler north of

844
01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:05,320
 this intersection Oakland becomes a share so it is a shared facility so a cyclist would

845
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:11,800
 use that facility northbound and would take the lane vehicles would have to safely pass

846
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:20,720
 around but in terms of the facility cyclists congress is also a shared lane with Cheryl

847
01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:26,240
 markings so if a cyclist was wanting to enter the facility from this direction they would

848
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:32,600
 just be on street turn movements and if they're wanting to go northbound and continue their

849
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:40,240
 path they would be recommended to do so at that crosswalk before entering the lane so

850
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:48,120
 that is the preferred usage at that end we do understand that there may be a need for

851
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:53,280
 additional signage or pavement markings to assist with that so we'll have that discussion

852
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:59,800
 internally to evaluate it and see where those locations would be needed there are Cheryl

853
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:06,560
 markings today and we have to do we do have to comply with signage standards so MUTCD

854
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:13,720
 we stumble on that so we'll just we can evaluate that if there continues to be some confusion

855
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:21,440
 related to entering and exiting but that would be the path for Parkway Oakland facility and

856
01:33:21,440 --> 01:33:26,560
 for pedestrians it's the same they would cross at the crosswalk I will point that it might

857
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:30,760
 be a bit confusing here because there's a it appears to be a double crossing but this

858
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:36,080
 is for the shared path whereas this is an existing sidewalk crossing so pedestrians

859
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:42,260
 would use the sidewalk crossing and so before I jump into other facilities do you have questions

860
01:33:42,260 --> 01:33:49,720
 related to Parkway you say this is a pilot this is a pilot project that is essentially

861
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:56,360
 a permanent installation at this point okay so I say pilot because this is an on-street

862
01:33:56,360 --> 01:34:01,600
 facility if we were to do reconstruction we would evaluate whether it remains a permanent

863
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:06,920
 solution it has pavement improvements and I'll leave that to my colleagues on the side

864
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:11,920
 if we have if we have that I'm not aware of it but I'm aware that it's a permanent installation

865
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:17,520
 at this point I've seen head nods so yes okay have you all had any conversations with business

866
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:29,360
 owners I'm thinking about the the garage mechanics across from the development do you mean after

867
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:36,000
 installation after installation how are they have you all heard from them in their regard

868
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:42,200
 their concern I believe we had a discussed end page and my colleagues had this project

869
01:34:42,200 --> 01:35:02,320
 beforehand so I'm seeing a hand of two to meetings to me post I'll invite Brett please

870
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:06,680
 pretty sure that the city engineer yes for this project we actually had two community

871
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:11,440
 meetings we had one in the design stage of the project where we met with the local businesses

872
01:35:11,440 --> 01:35:17,760
 and with the community nobody attended the meeting but we did a video presentation and

873
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:22,360
 posted on the discussed end page and then prior to the construction of this project

874
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:26,200
 when the design was completed we had a second community meeting where we had a pretty good

875
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:31,960
 attendance turnout by by Denton and local community to see the actual project and get

876
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:35,880
 ready for the installation of it and we haven't heard any feedback from the local businesses

877
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:42,200
 or any we've heard feedback from residents that have used it some have had some complaints

878
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:46,600
 as in construction wasn't finished yet because the signage wasn't done the striping wasn't

879
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:51,560
 completed yet but since those have all been completed we haven't heard any negative response

880
01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:58,680
 yet great councilmember McGee had a question yes thank you chair what does the statement

881
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:06,160
 mean we recognize the need for more signage and markings yeah that's a great question

882
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:11,560
 so I mentioned earlier that there is the state law and the city has a safe passing ordinance

883
01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:18,920
 that permits cyclists to use on street lanes for a full lane so there are instances around

884
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:24,960
 the city where there is not a a may use the full lane sign because it's not actually acknowledged

885
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:30,360
 in the city per the mobility plan that it's a bicycle facility however they still have

886
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:37,280
 the the rights as a user to use that facility so I don't have the map of all the signage

887
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:43,480
 and locations so that's generally if we need to evaluate that if someone comes up and asks

888
01:36:43,480 --> 01:36:49,840
 and says well there's no signage here to indicate that we can go back and evaluate that scenario

889
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:54,640
 so that's just a recognition that there may be instances where there is insufficient signage

890
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:58,400
 now I could be completely wrong and there's signage in every location it's not really

891
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:03,720
 my cup of tea so I just want to make that general acknowledgement thank you thank you

892
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:15,320
 madam chair um state roads does the city make recommendations for the state to make bicycle

893
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:20,760
 lanes like carol I mean you say that sound it kind of you know impossible that carol

894
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:27,920
 would be yeah we do have regular coordination with text about their facilities and we do

895
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:32,800
 recommend or require based on our mobility plan now with state facilities it's a little

896
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:41,760
 bit trickier because there's a capacity requirement for their roadways so if their design specs

897
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:48,520
 call for a six lane divided and it's a high speed roadway I don't think our preference

898
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:54,900
 would be to have an on-street facility so it's very context-based context-sensitive

899
01:37:54,900 --> 01:38:00,740
 and that's why our mobility plan does call for the shared use paths within the right

900
01:38:00,740 --> 01:38:10,000
 obey but off-street to account for the bicycle circulation without safety incidents with

901
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:18,400
 that said there's still opportunities in other parts of the city to be reevaluated if we

902
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:24,120
 go through the mobility plan process in the future to evaluate that because again it is

903
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:32,580
 all context-sensitive so thank you yes so and I think it's just my confusion but so

904
01:38:32,580 --> 01:38:41,220
 this is an education question the default is that bikes have full access unless they

905
01:38:41,220 --> 01:38:47,680
 are specifically excluded which would be like highways and controlled access generally yes

906
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:51,080
 and I don't have that specific information so I'd have to I could probably pull the

907
01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:58,720
 language and send it to to y'all but that's close that's close that's close it generally

908
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:05,360
 speaks to if it's a two lanes of travel so mingo is a good example they take the full

909
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:10,680
 lane and someone who have to safely pass three feet for cars six feet for trucks if it's

910
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:15,940
 a two lane they can take the full lane two cyclists can ride to abreast within the lane

911
01:39:15,940 --> 01:39:20,680
 and so because of that they have the right to be everywhere then you would have to have

912
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:28,640
 signage on the roads that exclude them that is that so if there's a road that excludes

913
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:35,840
 a bike like a freeway for example there has to be road signage that says you may not enter

914
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:40,040
 if you're a pedestrian or a bike or how does that work I don't have the answer to that

915
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:44,400
 question but we can certainly research that question and get you an answer and I'll provide

916
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:51,360
 context to the question that if if bicycles have the default right to 80 percent of the

917
01:39:51,360 --> 01:40:00,960
 roads then well well I want signage because that adds clarity and expectation management

918
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:09,280
 to the whole mobility planning part of the education would be hey cars bikes have the

919
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:14,840
 right to be wherever they want to be except in the excluded circumstances I think that's

920
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:22,320
 where I'm going with this is part of the education process is cars you don't you don't own the

921
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:28,080
 roads yeah there's certainly an educational element to that and I think once we're more

922
01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:32,680
 staffed up generally I think that's part of you know the bike ped coordinator position

923
01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:38,200
 that's open is part of their you know job responsibilities would be outreach and I believe

924
01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:44,800
 that was the instance as they did a lot of outreach with the community so and now I just

925
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:49,680
 mentioned that that's the reason why on the higher speed roadways you see an alternate

926
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:55,440
 location through the side path with the roadway cross section so a lot of this has to do with

927
01:40:55,440 --> 01:41:00,840
 the roadway cross section based on the classification of the roadway which then allows for the safe

928
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:08,720
 movement for bicycle or pedestrian traffic and so you know that that is how those roadway

929
01:41:08,720 --> 01:41:14,760
 networks are designed so that they understand the etiquette of I guess specifically if we're

930
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:23,760
 going to use that term as to where they can and cannot be based on the speed of the roadway

931
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:29,560
 so just briefly because the question was asked about other facilities with ballards I'll just

932
01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:34,360
 briefly touch over it most like we've been talking about most of the multi use paths

933
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:39,320
 within the city and I give you an example of McKinney and Mayhill Road they are within

934
01:41:39,320 --> 01:41:44,160
 the right of way but off street so similar to a pedestrian you would use the crosswalks

935
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:49,840
 and follow that facility for circulation when there's a separated facility and we do have

936
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:57,880
 a few in the city of Denton so Hickory Street is one but also Hinkle those are separated

937
01:41:57,880 --> 01:42:03,920
 bike lanes typically you have one on each side so it's a single directional travel with

938
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:10,360
 the flow of vehicular movement I give the example of the roundabout because roundabouts

939
01:42:10,360 --> 01:42:15,460
 aren't typically bike ped friendly but you would in this case also there's a separate

940
01:42:15,460 --> 01:42:22,660
 sort of off ramp for a cyclist to exit around through the crosswalk and an on ramp back

941
01:42:22,660 --> 01:42:30,720
 onto the bike facility so that's how you would use that facility as well in situations where

942
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:36,400
 the bike lane crosses an intersection if there's a striped crossing area that's where they

943
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:42,320
 would follow versus the crosswalk so it's dependent on each situation and how it's designed

944
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:48,800
 typically their signage the ped crossings is what they would use if there's no specific

945
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:54,240
 bicycle signal I don't believe we have those in the city of Denton James can correct me

946
01:42:54,240 --> 01:42:59,920
 on that so because she can know we don't have any but if our intersections did have that

947
01:42:59,920 --> 01:43:06,600
 along a bike lane that's what they would use.

948
01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:11,400
 So I did talk about Hickory Street this is a one way street so slightly different in

949
01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:16,320
 that there's no two ways of travel but they have a designated single directional flow

950
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:22,440
 so they would just remain within that bike lane so not for two way and then sharos we

951
01:43:22,440 --> 01:43:27,120
 do have several sharos in the city of Denton so those are where usually when right of way

952
01:43:27,120 --> 01:43:32,860
 restrictions apply there's no area to put a separate bike path or bike lanes sometimes

953
01:43:32,860 --> 01:43:39,080
 it's an issue of on street parking being an interruption so if residents aren't willing

954
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:43,840
 to give up that on street parking to put in a bike lane that's usually what you're seeing

955
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:51,400
 the sharo come in so the example here is Old North there are bollards on Old North those

956
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:57,460
 I believe are intended to block from parking near the intersections as a safety measure

957
01:43:57,460 --> 01:44:04,320
 not necessarily a full bike lane pedestrians could use them if there is no sidewalk but

958
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:10,800
 they would come into conflict with parked vehicles so they would use are intended to

959
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:22,160
 use the sidewalk and I think that's the last visual I have for you and I think I'm passing

960
01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:38,600
 it back to Chandra I don't know where I'm at the third one on top there you go Chandra

961
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:48,720
 senior engineer transportation services so on the more street Woodrow Lane question that

962
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:56,120
 was brought on the last mobility meeting I did drive myself to the intersection and made

963
01:44:56,120 --> 01:45:02,520
 observations and did notice that there is a small mound on Woodrow Lane to the right

964
01:45:02,520 --> 01:45:09,200
 so that actually will delay the decision making of the vehicle on Morse lane to make a left

965
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:16,920
 turn or a right turn lane and that could be a safety issue so we made request for data

966
01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:22,960
 collection for historical crashes from the last five to ten years and also we're planning

967
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:30,440
 to get traffic data counts for 24 hours and also during the peak hours for Morse and Woodrow

968
01:45:30,440 --> 01:45:35,640
 Lane and we have to wait until the schools are back in session in January because it's

969
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:41,160
 holiday holiday season the traffic are usually higher than the normal times so we will follow

970
01:45:41,160 --> 01:45:48,460
 up back in February with the analysis on the crashes how much delays the vehicle would

971
01:45:48,460 --> 01:45:53,120
 patiently wait on Morse lane to make a left turn or a right turn lane and we will follow

972
01:45:53,120 --> 01:46:03,880
 up on that okay any questions on more street okay moving on is an update what we got from

973
01:46:03,880 --> 01:46:09,880
 this citywide and downtown parking studies the downtown parking study is done by the

974
01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:14,320
 economic development and they have hired a consultant fair and peers so they are on the

975
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:20,400
 data collection stage right now and they have some pop-up events that here and there in

976
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:26,200
 the city one was washed out from October but there is one coming up this Saturday from

977
01:46:26,200 --> 01:46:32,720
 8 to 1 at the Denton Community Center for input from public on what they feel about

978
01:46:32,720 --> 01:46:37,880
 availability of parking in the downtown and the visitor experiences so they are documenting

979
01:46:37,880 --> 01:46:44,360
 right now and they also collected data from drones and vehicles on those specific events

980
01:46:44,360 --> 01:46:52,280
 where they have the concerts of inquiring whether they have enough parking and all those

981
01:46:52,280 --> 01:46:58,760
 data to document what needs to be done and we will provide an update when this draft

982
01:46:58,760 --> 01:47:09,120
 study comes back with the Saturday I can't think what that is farmers market being on

983
01:47:09,120 --> 01:47:16,760
 the new what is that community market being on county property is that parking lot it's

984
01:47:16,760 --> 01:47:24,080
 three one seven Mulberry Street yeah Mulberry that's city yes it's a city parking lot yes

985
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:29,800
 okay I thought that was a county parking lot Bay of LaSalle is county I can't answer that

986
01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:34,200
 question I'd have to look into it it's directly across from a county facility which is the

987
01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:43,320
 Carroll building in the museums my gut tells me that that is a county parking lot and not

988
01:47:43,320 --> 01:47:48,800
 a city parking lot based on the location they also own all the land next to that so I believe

989
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:56,960
 that is a county parking facility but we would have to follow up okay all right thank you

990
01:47:56,960 --> 01:48:03,240
 and a real high level update on the citywide parking study is the RFP request for proposals

991
01:48:03,240 --> 01:48:09,480
 for a citywide parking study was closed on November 15th so we should have some consultants

992
01:48:09,480 --> 01:48:18,360
 who apply for doing the making the study we will update back in spring once we have a

993
01:48:18,360 --> 01:48:27,400
 draft or a scope when we have it yes is the Oak Street historic district because we've

994
01:48:27,400 --> 01:48:32,880
 had those prior discussions is that included in the downtown I mean it's obviously include

995
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:37,760
 the citywide because the citywide is everything but is also included in downtown or in just

996
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:42,880
 in the citywide in terms of the evaluation of the parking needs of the Oak Street area

997
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:48,260
 I don't have this big specific right now but I can follow up on the next meeting it's only

998
01:48:48,260 --> 01:48:52,880
 included in the citywide parking study it's not a part of the downtown the citywide specifically

999
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:59,880
 is going to look at university areas historic areas and that will be one of the classifications

1000
01:48:59,880 --> 01:49:04,640
 as far as the downtown all right thank you absolutely that's all I got thank you thank

1001
01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:14,920
 you did you all have any other questions y'all want anything on there okay all righty I think

1002
01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:24,920
 that covers everything on our agenda that does so oh I'm sorry I need to do future items

1003
01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:35,040
 from ability committee meeting coming up I'm sorry about that agenda okay so let's let's

1004
01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:39,900
 see Bonnie Bray Hickory Creek Trevor brought those to you we're asking to remove the planning

1005
01:49:39,900 --> 01:49:45,640
 involved in school zones as Corina made that presentation along with a bike ped etiquette

1006
01:49:45,640 --> 01:49:52,160
 and then the corner of Moore Street and Woodrow so those three were asking to remove the citywide

1007
01:49:52,160 --> 01:49:56,560
 downtown parking study information that's all going to be led through the transportation

1008
01:49:56,560 --> 01:50:04,080
 services team and that information will be brought back at a future meeting the transportation

1009
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:09,960
 services report will be given in a future staff memorandum and that'll be something

1010
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:16,280
 that's coming in January mr. dr. butt Farhan butt will be making that presentation the

1011
01:50:16,280 --> 01:50:22,800
 mapping of the bicycle and sidewalk corridors is still currently an ongoing process and

1012
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:28,220
 so when that's ready we'll bring that forward you heard mr. mr. pollster mentioned today

1013
01:50:28,220 --> 01:50:35,600
 the spurred loop 288 and 380 connectors that's going to be coming in an upcoming ITS report

1014
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:41,100
 when that's ready for public consumption he will have that information ready and then

1015
01:50:41,100 --> 01:50:47,100
 Ryan Road Trevor will bring back when that's ready as you are very aware we're waiting

1016
01:50:47,100 --> 01:50:52,520
 to move forward on Ryan Road until Hickory Creek is at a future phase so with removing

1017
01:50:52,520 --> 01:50:57,040
 those three leaving the others on there the only other thing we need is any future additional

1018
01:50:57,040 --> 01:51:01,320
 items that you would like to have in the next eight minutes before we run out of time on

1019
01:51:01,320 --> 01:51:08,480
 this meeting yeah the couple questions I got from the public that I'll ask is and we can

1020
01:51:08,480 --> 01:51:13,360
 evaluate here whether it needs to be an item or not people have asked me a lot about the

1021
01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:20,800
 asphalt heave at Bonnie brand oak near the the power station does not need to be a part

1022
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:25,040
 of this Trevor's already on top of it and we're taking care of it okay awesome and then

1023
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:31,360
 the other one and again may not be an item so I'm asking is Anderson's J Anderson is

1024
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:41,420
 asked about the potential for a hot crossing like across from DC BC I understand that there

1025
01:51:41,420 --> 01:51:49,760
 might be distance from intersection issues in that region so I've encouraged them to

1026
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:56,000
 talk to city staff about that but I don't maybe we could have a just a brief sentence

1027
01:51:56,000 --> 01:52:01,880
 or two unless you can tell me the answer now about what the distances are and what would

1028
01:52:01,880 --> 01:52:07,000
 be involved in a crossing at Anderson's and whether that would be potentially allowable

1029
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:12,440
 or not and so not currently on the agenda and I guess if you're talking about Anderson's

1030
01:52:12,440 --> 01:52:18,160
 I want to make sure we're looking at the right location you're sitting center okay all of

1031
01:52:18,160 --> 01:52:23,160
 those evaluations go through a process so happy to have staff stay back and explain

1032
01:52:23,160 --> 01:52:29,080
 that process to you and also happy to talk to the Anderson's if they have specific questions

1033
01:52:29,080 --> 01:52:32,760
 I don't think that needs to be a part of this agenda item but those conversations can be

1034
01:52:32,760 --> 01:52:39,100
 had at a later time so we can stay back and have that conversation with you and of course

1035
01:52:39,100 --> 01:52:42,800
 reach out to the Anderson's I don't know that I've heard that request but transportation

1036
01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:51,160
 services might have all right thank you absolutely I'll just say that I spoke with the Anderson's

1037
01:52:51,160 --> 01:53:01,600
 and I have noted to the Anderson's about the signs that they have in front of their building

1038
01:53:01,600 --> 01:53:10,160
 suggesting that their customers park across the street which leans to the idea that their

1039
01:53:10,160 --> 01:53:15,380
 customers will use you know take advantage of parking across the street at the Civic

1040
01:53:15,380 --> 01:53:22,240
 Center and you know my safety concerns you know in that regard because that's a busy

1041
01:53:22,240 --> 01:53:31,800
 curb right there and so they you know gonna have to fit that onus if they're you know

1042
01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:39,200
 if that if the safety you know is heightened right there for me I did notify City Manager's

1043
01:53:39,200 --> 01:53:48,480
 office that I was of concern significant concern about them encouraging their you know their

1044
01:53:48,480 --> 01:53:55,240
 clients to walk back and forth across there like that but they there you know they want

1045
01:53:55,240 --> 01:53:58,760
 to leave it up there because they don't they feel like that that's not that's the only

1046
01:53:58,760 --> 01:54:05,800
 alternative they have since that parking lot is so small so that needs to be you know part

1047
01:54:05,800 --> 01:54:11,100
 of the conversation somewhere else not necessarily right here and apparently it's the same thing

1048
01:54:11,100 --> 01:54:16,360
 with the brewing you know parking crossing over so I'm thinking of pulling all of that

1049
01:54:16,360 --> 01:54:25,120
 into the downtown I know we got a big discussion on upgrading or you know downtown conversation

1050
01:54:25,120 --> 01:54:29,820
 and be pulled into that conversation as well sure I think those are great examples that

1051
01:54:29,820 --> 01:54:36,320
 need to be a part of the downtown conversation the parking study and as far as what's currently

1052
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:41,520
 happening at the Anderson location I can't speak to but I think that transportation services

1053
01:54:41,520 --> 01:54:45,240
 will definitely look into that I know that's probably a project that went through the planning

1054
01:54:45,240 --> 01:54:51,400
 process that we weren't a part of so happy to discuss with transportation services and

1055
01:54:51,400 --> 01:54:56,640
 I appreciate you bringing those other aspects up as far as there is a current crosswalk

1056
01:54:56,640 --> 01:55:04,080
 at the intersection of McGinney and Belle Avenue for folks to be able to walk to so

1057
01:55:04,080 --> 01:55:08,880
 we'll have to have staff look into that and happy to bring that forward actually honestly

1058
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:12,040
 I don't believe that's something for the mobility committee I think if you brought this to our

1059
01:55:12,040 --> 01:55:17,160
 attention staff can work through those conversations and I appreciate you bringing that aspect

1060
01:55:17,160 --> 01:55:23,160
 email the city manager group absolutely and I think staff can look at you know the concerns

1061
01:55:23,160 --> 01:55:28,160
 in that area I can get with Scott McDonald and Farhan to discuss yeah just take a look

1062
01:55:28,160 --> 01:55:32,480
 at it from a bird's eye view and a little bit bigger picture because you both had different

1063
01:55:32,480 --> 01:55:37,200
 pieces and parts to that shuttle so we want to make sure we understand the purpose and

1064
01:55:37,200 --> 01:55:43,560
 the need okay well I do understand that we've already had a discussion on the crosswalk

1065
01:55:43,560 --> 01:55:49,720
 on McKinney over across from the courthouse and I know that there was a request to put

1066
01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:54,160
 some kind of big crosswalk thing so people can get over across the way to visit those

1067
01:55:54,160 --> 01:56:01,600
 bills those businesses over there but in I and I know that that's already been talked

1068
01:56:01,600 --> 01:56:08,680
 about but still that Janey Street that's there it's got these two big trees in the middle

1069
01:56:08,680 --> 01:56:15,480
 of the road and they go you know it's just it's unappealing and it looks like it's that

1070
01:56:15,480 --> 01:56:22,280
 road is being neglected because there's no curbs no nothing it's just like you turn the

1071
01:56:22,280 --> 01:56:27,560
 corner and you're back in 1934 no problem so are we all please add that and take a look

1072
01:56:27,560 --> 01:56:34,320
 at that again yes I think that the response this is my second ask in my three years being

1073
01:56:34,320 --> 01:56:43,360
 here the first response was just kind of just it wasn't it wasn't enough attention as far

1074
01:56:43,360 --> 01:56:47,680
 as I'm concerned that was paid for that area and just kind of spruce it up around there

1075
01:56:47,680 --> 01:56:53,640
 sure we're happy to look at I don't know how trees I don't know what but it looks it looks

1076
01:56:53,640 --> 01:56:57,640
 like it's been neglected the entire street as far as I'm concerned it doesn't didn't

1077
01:56:57,640 --> 01:57:04,160
 have any curves so that's the only thing that I have is that Janey Street and you have anything

1078
01:57:04,160 --> 01:57:09,040
 sir that you want to add to the list thank you chair I know I've had these discussions

1079
01:57:09,040 --> 01:57:14,520
 a bunch of times I feel like I need to bring it up every opportunity I get McKinney's dangerous

1080
01:57:14,520 --> 01:57:25,560
 for pedestrians and folks in and wheelchairs and cyclists between Woodrow and 288 I just

1081
01:57:25,560 --> 01:57:29,560
 right in front of Mac Park I just need to keep bringing it up I know it's coming I know

1082
01:57:29,560 --> 01:57:33,840
 it's coming okay you approved that as a part of the CIP I know but I just feel like in

1083
01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:42,560
 the interim can we look at some more lighting in the interim to make it you know to make

1084
01:57:42,560 --> 01:57:47,000
 the road brighter because people are oftentimes trying to reverse McKinney at night I don't

1085
01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:53,640
 know if that's possible but I'm happy to look into yeah anything that we can do to make

1086
01:57:53,640 --> 01:58:01,120
 things safer for folks to cross no no not crossing just walking down they're not crossing

1087
01:58:01,120 --> 01:58:05,560
 they're just walking down the street sure and there's a lot of things that are going

1088
01:58:05,560 --> 01:58:10,440
 into that project including a lot of right away acquisition and putting the sidewalk

1089
01:58:10,440 --> 01:58:15,000
 in where it needs to be located but as a part of the sidewalk project lighting will be one

1090
01:58:15,000 --> 01:58:20,040
 of the considerations to make sure that there's the ability it will take time to evaluate

1091
01:58:20,040 --> 01:58:23,440
 that because we don't have right away in all of those areas to currently construct the

1092
01:58:23,440 --> 01:58:29,400
 project as is I guess I understand that I'm saying does not having right away access prevent

1093
01:58:29,400 --> 01:58:34,960
 a temporary lighting solution to if it does that's okay I would say that it would be a

1094
01:58:34,960 --> 01:58:39,640
 large and expensive endeavor to put temporary lighting in an area that would have to be

1095
01:58:39,640 --> 01:58:46,160
 relocated okay but happy to see if there's anything from a municipal electric standpoint

1096
01:58:46,160 --> 01:58:49,880
 that can be done from a lighting perspective and we'll definitely have that conversation

1097
01:58:49,880 --> 01:58:57,440
 thank y'all I appreciate that absolutely I know it's coming so I'm absolutely patient

1098
01:58:57,440 --> 01:59:03,920
 no problem I appreciate your patience yeah I'm everybody's alright well then thank you

1099
01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:09,160
 very much absolutely you all are doing a great job I just I think this is one of my favorite

1100
01:59:09,160 --> 01:59:14,320
 committees it is it's so interesting also we'll move on to concluding items or any concluding

1101
01:59:14,320 --> 01:59:19,160
 items all right if there's no concluding items then we will call this meeting adjourned at

1102
01:59:19,160 --> 01:59:22,240
 nine fifty nine thank