WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.120 >> Good afternoon and welcome to the city of Denton's planning and zoning commission 00:00:06.120 --> 00:00:10.000 meeting for Wednesday, November 15, 2023. 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:14.320 This is our work session and with the quorum present I'll call us to order at 5.03 p.m. 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:19.140 I'll let the record show that Commissioner Smith is absent at this time. 00:00:19.140 --> 00:00:23.880 First item in our work session is citizen comment on consent agenda. 00:00:23.880 --> 00:00:26.120 Is there anyone wishing to speak on consent? 00:00:26.120 --> 00:00:27.120 Okay. 00:00:27.120 --> 00:00:34.760 Seeing none we'll move on to our second item which is the clarification for tonight's agenda. 00:00:34.760 --> 00:00:39.820 First we have our minutes from October 25th and November 1st. 00:00:39.820 --> 00:00:44.560 Any questions, comments? 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:47.160 Next is consent agenda. 00:00:47.160 --> 00:00:49.160 And I think you all saw the e-mail that came through. 00:00:49.160 --> 00:00:55.080 There was a -- that needed to be removed on one of the plats in consent. 00:00:55.080 --> 00:00:56.080 Okay. 00:00:56.080 --> 00:00:58.680 Moving on to our items for individual consideration. 00:00:58.680 --> 00:01:02.640 Our first one is our calendar for next year. 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:06.400 Haley, you want to -- I don't know if you want to say anything or -- 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:07.400 >> Sure. 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:11.120 Yeah, I'll let Julie pull it up on the screen just in case there's anything we need to look 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:12.120 at. 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:13.120 >> Great. 00:01:13.120 --> 00:01:16.880 I did have a question just regarding March spring break week. 00:01:16.880 --> 00:01:17.880 >> Okay. 00:01:17.880 --> 00:01:21.520 >> I know that that is the week of some spring breaks. 00:01:21.520 --> 00:01:27.120 I'm assuming probably most, I believe. 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:30.080 In the past we've had an issue I know getting a quorum that week. 00:01:30.080 --> 00:01:32.480 I don't know if that would be the case this year. 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:35.840 But I believe it's that week of the 10th. 00:01:35.840 --> 00:01:36.840 >> Okay. 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:41.360 Yeah, we can look at that and confirm I believe you're right. 00:01:41.360 --> 00:01:45.760 Our goal was to try to avoid PNZ and council meeting in the same week. 00:01:45.760 --> 00:01:49.680 And I believe they're meeting on the 5th and the 19th in March. 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:50.680 >> Okay. 00:01:50.680 --> 00:01:51.680 >> That week. 00:01:51.680 --> 00:01:52.680 >> Yes. 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:53.680 Yeah. 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:56.040 So, yeah, I guess just bring that to your attention. 00:01:56.040 --> 00:01:59.720 And if we have to tweak anything, because I don't know how that works even for y'all. 00:01:59.720 --> 00:02:02.920 You're going to have absences and whatnot. 00:02:02.920 --> 00:02:03.920 Yeah. 00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:09.160 So, I know, it's so far out that, you know, we can all say, oh, yeah, we'll be here. 00:02:09.160 --> 00:02:10.660 And, you know, but -- 00:02:10.660 --> 00:02:11.660 >> Sure. 00:02:11.660 --> 00:02:16.960 And I don't know, since Sean is here, he might be able to look and see if we would run into 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:20.360 any shot clock issues if we do not have that meeting. 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:23.360 I believe that was the other thing we were trying to keep in mind is keeping our meeting 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:27.000 spaced for plats to be able to have that 30-day window. 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:28.000 >> Hi, Sean. 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:29.000 >> Yeah. 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:30.000 Hi. 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:31.000 Yeah. 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:32.000 Sean Jacobson. 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:33.000 Yeah. 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:36.000 As Commissioner Pruitt taught last year, we always have to check to make sure that we 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:39.720 have no more than 30 days between dates, so that would be the only part that we would 00:02:39.720 --> 00:02:40.720 have to check. 00:02:40.720 --> 00:02:43.480 And I'm sure we can confirm that between now and when we get to -- 00:02:43.480 --> 00:02:44.480 >> Yeah. 00:02:44.480 --> 00:02:45.480 Yeah. 00:02:45.480 --> 00:02:49.720 I mean, I guess we've got plenty of time to, like, if we saw a problem, tweak it at that. 00:02:49.720 --> 00:02:50.720 >> Sure. 00:02:50.720 --> 00:02:51.720 >> Okay. 00:02:51.720 --> 00:02:53.720 Anybody else with questions on the calendar? 00:02:53.720 --> 00:02:54.720 Okay. 00:02:54.720 --> 00:02:55.720 Thank you. 00:02:55.720 --> 00:02:56.720 Let's see. 00:02:56.720 --> 00:03:05.240 Next item on our individual consideration is for B. We did have a late email come through 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:06.240 on that one. 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:12.800 I don't want to steal your thunder, Julie, you go right ahead. 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:16.160 >> I'll be brief, I promise. 00:03:16.160 --> 00:03:18.760 All right. 00:03:18.760 --> 00:03:19.920 Julie Wyatt. 00:03:19.920 --> 00:03:23.200 And this is a preliminary plat for the prestige at Mayhill. 00:03:23.200 --> 00:03:28.040 The subject property is there at the intersection of Mayhill and Edwards. 00:03:28.040 --> 00:03:31.680 It is a preliminary plat for a multifamily development. 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:35.240 They had a couple of items that they had to address in order to get approval. 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:40.040 They did work diligently with staff in order to meet all those technical requirements. 00:03:40.040 --> 00:03:46.720 And so staff is now -- has modified the recommendation from your backup material to a recommendation 00:03:46.720 --> 00:03:49.840 of approval and I'll be happy to answer any questions. 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:52.840 >> Any questions? 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:53.840 Okay. 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:54.840 Thank you, Julie. 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:55.840 >> Thank you. 00:03:55.840 --> 00:03:56.840 >> All right. 00:03:56.840 --> 00:03:57.840 That will take us to 4C. 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:00.480 That would be Shawn's. 00:04:00.480 --> 00:04:05.200 Do we have any questions on that or do you want to go ahead and say what you need to 00:04:05.200 --> 00:04:06.200 say? 00:04:06.200 --> 00:04:07.200 >> Absolutely. 00:04:07.200 --> 00:04:17.600 Shawn Jacobson and this is a plat for the 100 north loop 288 edition. 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:21.040 So this is off loop 288 and McKinney. 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:26.200 And they have not quite met all of our comments yet and they're close. 00:04:26.200 --> 00:04:30.320 So we are recommending approval of an extension. 00:04:30.320 --> 00:04:36.960 Recommending not, but we're cool with the extension. 00:04:36.960 --> 00:04:40.160 >> Thank you, Shawn. 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:43.440 4D, that's yours as well. 00:04:43.440 --> 00:04:46.080 I think it's going to sound similar. 00:04:46.080 --> 00:04:49.080 >> Very much so. 00:04:49.080 --> 00:04:50.720 This is the Mayhill edition. 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:57.440 It is off Mayhill and again, they're very close but haven't quite locked down all of 00:04:57.440 --> 00:05:02.240 their details including some things with surrounding neighbors and so we're not yet ready to recommend 00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:03.240 approval. 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:04.240 >> Okay. 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:05.240 Questions? 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:06.240 Anyone? 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:07.240 No. 00:05:07.240 --> 00:05:08.240 Okay. 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:09.240 Thank you very much. 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:17.240 4E belongs to Ashley and 4F and 4G as well. 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:20.520 >> Ashley, excellent planner. 00:05:20.520 --> 00:05:23.640 This is a final plat for Sagebrook phase 2. 00:05:23.640 --> 00:05:28.000 This is for 42 residential lots and this did originally come over as an extension but they 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:32.320 were able to work through all of their comments so we are now recommending approval. 00:05:32.320 --> 00:05:34.320 Happy to answer any questions. 00:05:34.320 --> 00:05:36.880 Just one quick one. 00:05:36.880 --> 00:05:45.440 I recall when the preliminary plat came before us some time ago, there was some discussion 00:05:45.440 --> 00:05:55.220 on the covering of a gas well that was capped or something and I think it was in this region. 00:05:55.220 --> 00:05:59.600 >> It is right -- this is pointing to the gas well right here so that will be an HOA 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:02.320 lot that's required by their PD so it is right here. 00:06:02.320 --> 00:06:03.320 >> Very good. 00:06:03.320 --> 00:06:04.320 Anybody else? 00:06:04.320 --> 00:06:05.320 Okay. 00:06:05.320 --> 00:06:06.320 Thank you. 00:06:06.320 --> 00:06:12.320 I know you've got the next one as well related. 00:06:12.320 --> 00:06:14.240 >> And this is Sagebrook phase 2B. 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:18.720 This is for 115 residential lots and they were able to work through their outstanding 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:22.200 comments on this one also so we are also recommending approval for this one. 00:06:22.200 --> 00:06:24.680 Happy to answer any questions. 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:25.680 >> Okay. 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:26.680 No questions. 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:33.680 Take the 4G then. 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:34.680 >> This is a final plat for the cottages. 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:35.680 This is approximately 1.8 acres. 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:37.280 It's one multifamily lot. 00:06:37.280 --> 00:06:40.640 They do still have outstanding comments so we are recommending denial but we have no 00:06:40.640 --> 00:06:42.360 objection to the requested extension. 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:44.640 Happy to answer any questions. 00:06:44.640 --> 00:06:47.520 >> Thank you, Ashley. 00:06:47.520 --> 00:06:48.520 Thanks. 00:06:48.520 --> 00:06:49.520 All right. 00:06:49.520 --> 00:06:52.520 That will take us to our public hearings. 00:06:52.520 --> 00:06:55.000 We've got two this evening. 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:58.360 First is 5A DCA 230011. 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:00.280 Hi, Cameron. 00:07:00.280 --> 00:07:01.520 >> Hello. 00:07:01.520 --> 00:07:09.040 >> This was one we opened the public hearing back on the 25th and left that open and then 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:11.320 postponed it until now. 00:07:11.320 --> 00:07:12.320 >> Yes. 00:07:12.320 --> 00:07:15.120 Good evening, chair and commissioners. 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:17.360 Cameron Robertson, principal planner. 00:07:17.360 --> 00:07:22.160 So this is an update to our debt and development code regarding private cemeteries. 00:07:22.160 --> 00:07:25.840 The proposal is to update four different sections of that debt and development code. 00:07:25.840 --> 00:07:34.080 Our table 5.2A, section 5.34, table 7.9I, and our section 9.2. 00:07:34.080 --> 00:07:36.720 The rationale for this is House Bill 783. 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:43.360 It does allow for private cemeteries to be established or used within the city, especially 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:47.680 due to the fact that we are within a county of a population of more than 750,000. 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:52.980 Currently, we do not regulate nor recognize this land use, and prior to this, they were 00:07:52.980 --> 00:07:55.120 not permitted in within city limits. 00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:56.960 So staff is recommending approval. 00:07:56.960 --> 00:07:58.280 And I can stand for any questions. 00:07:58.280 --> 00:07:59.280 >> Thank you. 00:07:59.280 --> 00:08:00.280 >> Commissioner McDade. 00:08:00.280 --> 00:08:01.280 >> Thank you. 00:08:01.280 --> 00:08:07.880 >> This is a public hearing because I -- >> This is a public hearing, yes. 00:08:07.880 --> 00:08:08.880 >> Okay. 00:08:08.880 --> 00:08:09.880 I may wait. 00:08:09.880 --> 00:08:16.200 I'm just having a big issue with those two words, privately owned. 00:08:16.200 --> 00:08:21.920 I don't -- I mean, it says -- I really want to get a good definition of a probably owned. 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:24.360 I mean, are there stipulations with a probably owned? 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:27.480 I mean, are they -- >> Yes. 00:08:27.480 --> 00:08:28.480 We did create a definition. 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:31.840 And I'm going to go into a little bit more detail, but I can share that definition right 00:08:31.840 --> 00:08:32.840 now with you. 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:35.040 >> Yeah, that'd be great. 00:08:35.040 --> 00:08:36.080 >> Here. 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:40.520 So it is -- what we're defining a privately owned cemetery as is it can be established 00:08:40.520 --> 00:08:44.640 by an individual, corporation, partnership, firm, trust, or association. 00:08:44.640 --> 00:08:48.120 So that's that private aspect of that definition. 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:53.360 And then the cemetery itself, it can be used or intended to be used for internment and 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:59.040 does include a graveyard, burial park, mausoleum, or any other area containing one or more graves. 00:08:59.040 --> 00:09:05.640 So this is all text that was brought from that House Bill 783, as well as that Texas 00:09:05.640 --> 00:09:06.640 Health and Safety Code. 00:09:06.640 --> 00:09:07.640 >> Okay. 00:09:07.640 --> 00:09:13.000 Well, I guess the issue I'm having, you know, with probably owned, you know, like established 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:22.120 by an individual, I mean, you may see it one way, but I see it -- I mean, I see it two 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:23.120 ways. 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:24.120 >> Okay. 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:32.840 >> Because, I mean, we still remember IAOF Cemetery, where, I mean, it was owned by, 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:37.520 I guess, a group of individuals, and they were told, hey, only certain people can be 00:09:37.520 --> 00:09:38.960 buried here. 00:09:38.960 --> 00:09:42.280 That's the problem I have with a probably owned cemetery today. 00:09:42.280 --> 00:09:48.560 I mean, if I buy it, I make -- I mean, I'm allowed to make up the rules, correct? 00:09:48.560 --> 00:09:49.560 >> Correct. 00:09:49.560 --> 00:09:51.160 >> See, that -- I have a big issue with that. 00:09:51.160 --> 00:09:56.040 I mean, this is 2023, and I don't see where anyone should be able to say, hey, I don't 00:09:56.040 --> 00:09:58.360 want you buried in my cemetery. 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:01.280 You know, I have a real issue with that. 00:10:01.280 --> 00:10:02.680 Thank you. 00:10:02.680 --> 00:10:05.920 >> Thank you, Commissioner McDade. 00:10:05.920 --> 00:10:15.000 I know things that are governed within -- I forgot what that manual is. 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:16.000 What that is? 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:17.000 Yeah. 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:18.000 The Texas Health and Safety Code. 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:23.680 I don't know if anything is -- I don't know what's addressed there with regard to any 00:10:23.680 --> 00:10:27.400 of Commissioner McDade's concerns. 00:10:27.400 --> 00:10:32.320 >> From what I've seen, I don't believe it addresses anything with respect to who could 00:10:32.320 --> 00:10:33.680 be buried within the cemetery. 00:10:33.680 --> 00:10:38.480 It's more the regulation specific to how it's created and ensuring the health and safety 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:41.080 issues that could be associated with the cemetery. 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:42.080 >> Correct. 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:46.040 So from our understanding, going through the House bill and having legal go through the 00:10:46.040 --> 00:10:51.040 House bill, it's essentially what is -- we're going to be establishing via ordinance will 00:10:51.040 --> 00:10:55.760 be what regulates it, and then as part of that ordinance, we've stated that it is required 00:10:55.760 --> 00:10:59.280 to be reviewed as a specific use permit. 00:10:59.280 --> 00:11:07.320 So it does allow for some varying degrees of -- I guess -- there's nothing that we have 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:12.760 established within the ordinance that stated that people are allowed to come up with something 00:11:12.760 --> 00:11:18.380 outside of our specific use permit requirements in terms of only X religion can be buried 00:11:18.380 --> 00:11:25.160 here or -- so I would have to point to legal in this case, because it is a House bill and 00:11:25.160 --> 00:11:30.000 I'm not sure of the kind of the specifics of that Texas health and safety code. 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:31.000 >> Okay. 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:32.000 Well, okay. 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:33.000 Yeah. 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:39.560 If you could somehow get a legal aspect, because, I mean, I remember IFF, but I also remember 00:11:39.560 --> 00:11:44.840 Oakwood Cemetery when, you know, I mean, I'm almost 60 years old, well, that was almost 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:50.760 50 years ago where people of color could only be buried in one section of that cemetery. 00:11:50.760 --> 00:11:55.120 And it actually filled up, and now, you know, they're being buried all over, but I just 00:11:55.120 --> 00:12:01.560 -- I just don't want to go back to those days, and being a private-owned cemetery, I mean, 00:12:01.560 --> 00:12:08.440 you're rolling back the clock on a time to where, you know, it -- I mean, it is what 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:17.160 it is back then, but now, 2023, I just -- I have a real hard time dealing with that one. 00:12:17.160 --> 00:12:18.160 >> Understood. 00:12:18.160 --> 00:12:22.120 So I guess during maybe our break, I can speak with legal and maybe we can try and find you 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:25.840 an answer so that at the public hearing portion, we can have that discussion. 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:26.840 >> Okay. 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:27.840 Thank you. 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:32.040 Anything else on that slide? 00:12:32.040 --> 00:12:34.200 Okay. 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:39.200 Our next public hearing is 5BZ230012. 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:41.480 That belongs to Sean. 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:45.880 >> Good evening, Chair, members of the Commission. 00:12:45.880 --> 00:12:49.880 Let me go ahead and pull up my presentation here. 00:12:49.880 --> 00:12:54.520 And we'll hit just the highlights for now. 00:12:54.520 --> 00:13:03.780 This is a zoning change, Z2312, that's just off Teasley, and we're going south of Robinson. 00:13:03.780 --> 00:13:07.960 This is a request for rezoning from a planned development to a suburban corridor district 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:13.600 on 1.09-acre property currently vacant. 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:20.540 This was created as part of a PD in 1999, and that PD, as well as subsequent amendments, 00:13:20.540 --> 00:13:26.480 have designated this to be developed commercially, but have vested it in a variety of outdated 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:27.920 codes. 00:13:27.920 --> 00:13:33.080 This rezoning would allow it to develop with a suburban corridor use under all of our current 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:34.080 standards. 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:36.320 And staff has reviewed this and does recommend approval. 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:40.280 Happy to answer any questions. 00:13:40.280 --> 00:13:43.280 >> Questions for Sean? 00:13:43.280 --> 00:13:57.440 >> Just out of curiosity, I mean, I will miss the PD numbers in the backup, so forgive me 00:13:57.440 --> 00:14:02.760 for being general in my description, but I believe the lots surrounding this, the commercial 00:14:02.760 --> 00:14:09.200 lots anyway, are still under the PD that this one is being proposed to be zoned out of, 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:10.200 right? 00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:11.200 >> Yes, that's correct. 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:15.520 >> Is the reason that those are not within this application also because it's a different 00:14:15.520 --> 00:14:20.200 owner or because those are already developed and there's no need to at this time? 00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:21.840 >> I would say both of those are correct. 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:26.360 There are a range of owners, and they have already developed, so they wouldn't need to 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:30.040 come forward with a detailed plan, whereas this property would have to do that in order 00:14:30.040 --> 00:14:31.040 to develop. 00:14:31.040 --> 00:14:32.040 >> Okay. 00:14:32.040 --> 00:14:33.040 Thank you. 00:14:33.040 --> 00:14:35.560 >> Any other questions? 00:14:35.560 --> 00:14:43.760 >> I'm still trying to understand exactly what the property owner is trying to do. 00:14:43.760 --> 00:14:51.320 You know, the uses are almost the same, you know, and it's a one-acre tract of land, so 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:55.720 I'm not even worried about, like I think was mentioned, like, oh, they can't do heavy industrial 00:14:55.720 --> 00:14:56.720 or something like that. 00:14:56.720 --> 00:15:00.640 Well, they're not going 200-acre site anyway. 00:15:00.640 --> 00:15:09.760 So the only thing that gives me pause is, you know, PD right now, it's that it has to get 00:15:09.760 --> 00:15:17.560 looked over at the site plan and whatnot, and if we do this, that part of it's gone, 00:15:17.560 --> 00:15:23.120 and it is right next to Wheeler Ridge, I mean, it does side to those homes. 00:15:23.120 --> 00:15:27.040 So I'm trying to wrap my head around, you know, do we have enough in the code right 00:15:27.040 --> 00:15:31.740 now that is protective enough? 00:15:31.740 --> 00:15:37.320 So that's what -- I'm trying to understand exactly what the owner is trying to avoid 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:39.840 is just a couple of steps here. 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:44.600 >> I can't necessarily speak to the owner's intent, but I think at least from staff's 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:50.800 perspective, having this reviewed under our current standards instead of the 2003 parking 00:15:50.800 --> 00:15:57.240 code, the 1998 landscape code, we've developed more robust standards since then. 00:15:57.240 --> 00:15:58.240 >> Yeah. 00:15:58.240 --> 00:15:59.240 Yeah. 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:00.240 And I like all of that. 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:01.240 >> Yeah. 00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:08.400 >> Just the part I don't like is the review that's there in place in the PD now. 00:16:08.400 --> 00:16:14.320 So I'm still kind of churning through that. 00:16:14.320 --> 00:16:18.240 >> If it is helpful, and obviously they're not at all held to this, but this was -- they 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:24.560 came to us with a plan for commercial development, essentially a two-story medical office and 00:16:24.560 --> 00:16:31.520 retail development on that, in that space, which would be permitted under either -- 00:16:31.520 --> 00:16:34.600 >> Yeah, but that's allowed in the PD, right? 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:35.600 >> Mm-hmm. 00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:36.880 >> Now they could do that. 00:16:36.880 --> 00:16:42.960 So that's -- see, that's where I'm going with this, is like I'm trying to -- I'm trying 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:43.960 to understand. 00:16:43.960 --> 00:16:44.960 >> Yeah. 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:50.320 And part of what staff considered is -- so essentially the PD permits that use by right, 00:16:50.320 --> 00:16:53.160 our code permits the use by right. 00:16:53.160 --> 00:16:56.440 The way it would be reviewed is essentially the same. 00:16:56.440 --> 00:17:01.360 This does take out that public hearing process, but at the same time, it's -- it would be 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:06.200 very hard for the commission or council to find reason to deny a site plan when the use 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:09.840 is already permitted by zoning and if they meet all of the standards that are in place. 00:17:09.840 --> 00:17:16.760 So it's somewhat of a -- just putting something that should not be subjective because it's 00:17:16.760 --> 00:17:21.240 meeting the code through a discretionary process with that detail plan amendment, since that's 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:24.640 really all that they have left to do under the PD at this point is get the site plan 00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:25.640 approved. 00:17:25.640 --> 00:17:26.640 >> Right. 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:27.640 So why do they want to go -- 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:28.640 >> So it just allows them to go through the -- 00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:30.080 >> Why do they want to go through this expense? 00:17:30.080 --> 00:17:35.000 All they had to do was put a site plan together and bring it forth under the PD. 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:39.320 >> This would allow them to do that site plan by right through the administrative process. 00:17:39.320 --> 00:17:42.920 So they understood coming in that they had a public hearing in their future no matter 00:17:42.920 --> 00:17:45.120 which path they went. 00:17:45.120 --> 00:17:50.720 Their choice was to fall under current code and go through what would then become a staff 00:17:50.720 --> 00:17:56.080 approval of their site plan versus bringing the site plan through the public hearing process. 00:17:56.080 --> 00:17:57.560 >> Okay. 00:17:57.560 --> 00:18:02.760 And you all in reviewing don't think we're losing anything that we have in that PD? 00:18:02.760 --> 00:18:09.360 >> No, I actually looked pretty closely at it and even did try to do a comparison one-to-one 00:18:09.360 --> 00:18:13.160 of what requirements were one versus the other, and I could tell it was either going -- as 00:18:13.160 --> 00:18:18.600 far as I could tell, it was either going to be comparable or we would have some superior. 00:18:18.600 --> 00:18:24.160 And actually with our parking, it allows us to potentially avoid some over parking issues 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:26.200 that could otherwise occur. 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:27.200 >> Okay. 00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:28.200 Okay. 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:29.200 Question? 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:35.880 >> Just real quick, you've answered most of my questions already. 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:41.500 But is there a reason why we aren't able to update the PD through this process as opposed 00:18:41.500 --> 00:18:43.700 to changing it to straight zoning? 00:18:43.700 --> 00:18:50.480 Is that something that we can -- that we're able to do, or is that just cost prohibitive? 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:57.240 >> If the applicant had decided to pursue that, certainly that could have been an option. 00:18:57.240 --> 00:19:04.320 I think it would have been -- it would have been a lot of changes to make to the PD because 00:19:04.320 --> 00:19:09.800 the PD talks -- I mean, invested in uses that are set back in the '90s, landscape code back 00:19:09.800 --> 00:19:10.800 then. 00:19:10.800 --> 00:19:15.400 Essentially, you would have been doing almost the same thing and then saying, but you'll 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:17.840 still have to come back and have it reviewed. 00:19:17.840 --> 00:19:21.400 I think it is a very complex PD. 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:29.880 With many factors to it, keeping that around is maybe not the best planning recommendation 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:30.880 if it's not needed. 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:31.880 >> Sure. 00:19:31.880 --> 00:19:37.200 I guess I just have concern about setting a negative precedence that harms future communities 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:38.200 going forward. 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:43.040 If we have, you know, vote for a PD down the line and in 20 years we decide to -- or not 00:19:43.040 --> 00:19:50.400 us, but a future commission decides to change it to straight zoning without the community's 00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:55.960 approval, I think that would cause some grief down the line, but that's neither here nor 00:19:55.960 --> 00:19:56.960 there. 00:19:56.960 --> 00:19:57.960 Appreciate it. 00:19:57.960 --> 00:19:58.960 Thank you. 00:19:58.960 --> 00:20:00.400 >> Sean, is this the last parcel in this PD? 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:01.400 >> It is. 00:20:01.400 --> 00:20:02.400 >> Okay. 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:03.400 Any other questions? 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:04.400 Yeah. 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:14.320 I know these get complicated because, yeah, I think what Commissioner Villarao was going 00:20:14.320 --> 00:20:16.720 for is, like, why can't we just bring them into today's code, you know? 00:20:16.720 --> 00:20:20.240 There's still the PD with all these restrictions, but let's just bring it, you know, into -- and 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:26.280 I think there's a way that we could do that because, yeah, we've seen these things before 00:20:26.280 --> 00:20:30.800 where we've got to change something because they're just outdated, they can't work, it 00:20:30.800 --> 00:20:36.680 doesn't work, and today's code and whatnot, but anyway, okay. 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:37.680 Thank you. 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:38.680 Thank you for answering our questions. 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:40.640 Appreciate it. 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:44.940 That's the last item on our agenda for this evening, so we'll go ahead into our work session 00:20:44.940 --> 00:20:53.160 report, which is 3A-PZ-23259, and that's Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion Regarding Capital 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:59.240 Improvement Project Address for Elm & Locust, Bonnie Bray, I-35, and Westgate. 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:00.240 Hello. 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:07.240 Thank you for your patience. 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:11.720 >> All right. 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:12.720 Good evening. 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:13.720 My name is Trevor Crane. 00:21:13.720 --> 00:21:16.640 I work for Elm & Locust Capital Projects, and tonight I'll be giving you a few updates 00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:20.660 on those listed projects that you just talked about. 00:21:20.660 --> 00:21:22.320 So first, we'll start out with Elm & Locust. 00:21:22.320 --> 00:21:25.600 So currently, Elm & Locust is a couple different phases. 00:21:25.600 --> 00:21:31.000 So Elm & Locust Phase 1, the limits of that project were from Walnut to Eagle. 00:21:31.000 --> 00:21:35.420 All the utilities have been completed on that project. 00:21:35.420 --> 00:21:39.000 So Elm & Locust is a little funky. 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:44.000 Both those streets are actually TXDOT owned roads currently, so I'm going to get to that 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:45.000 here in a minute. 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:52.280 But TXDOT is responsible for actually fixing the street, the pavement on the street. 00:21:52.280 --> 00:21:56.600 We have been working with them probably since I've been here, and I've been here four years, 00:21:56.600 --> 00:22:03.160 longer than that actually, but working through kind of what that looks like, what that cross 00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:05.560 section needs to look like, and all those things. 00:22:05.560 --> 00:22:13.300 So we actually are bringing an agreement to council within I think the next council date. 00:22:13.300 --> 00:22:18.800 So we've worked through, TXDOT will be starting to do that reconstruction of Elm & Locust starting 00:22:18.800 --> 00:22:21.240 Q2 of 2024. 00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:28.160 So they will be reconstructing both Elm & Locust from Walnut to Eagle. 00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:34.400 Elm & Locust Phase 2, so that's going to be from US 380 down to McKinney. 00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:36.920 That is a project that Capital Projects will be delivering. 00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:40.920 So we have water, wastewater, drainage, and street reconstruction. 00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:47.240 We will be looking at sidewalks, but really that project is contained to the actual roadway. 00:22:47.240 --> 00:22:52.600 A portion of this project was funded in the 2022 county trip bond. 00:22:52.600 --> 00:22:58.120 We're currently at 60% design, and we estimate moving forward with that construction in quarter 00:22:58.120 --> 00:23:00.560 4 of 2024. 00:23:00.560 --> 00:23:04.840 So we will be completing all the utilities on that section and doing the street reconstruction 00:23:04.840 --> 00:23:06.920 on that segment. 00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:08.440 So the Elm & Locust turn back. 00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:12.520 So turn back is an agreement that we're going to have with TXDOT that we're working through 00:23:12.520 --> 00:23:13.840 right now. 00:23:13.840 --> 00:23:18.040 The resolution to city council went in November of 2023. 00:23:18.040 --> 00:23:23.800 And then we're currently awaiting approval from the TXDOT Transportation Commission. 00:23:23.800 --> 00:23:28.520 So once both projects are complete, both the roads will be turned back over to the city 00:23:28.520 --> 00:23:34.320 of Denton by D transfer, and then we'll own both of those roadways moving forward. 00:23:34.320 --> 00:23:38.240 >> Can you go back for a minute? 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:39.240 >> Sure. 00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:40.240 >> Sorry. 00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:41.240 I'm probably going to stop you there just to see. 00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:42.240 >> No, that's fine. 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:45.000 Yeah, we can -- >> Do you have any questions on these items, 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:46.000 Commissioner Peruppe? 00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:47.200 >> Thank you, Chair. 00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:53.320 So maybe my math is fuzzy, but it looks like there's a gap between Walnut and McKinney 00:23:53.320 --> 00:23:56.640 that is not incorporated in this Phase 1 and Phase 2. 00:23:56.640 --> 00:23:57.640 >> Yeah. 00:23:57.640 --> 00:23:58.640 Phase 2. 00:23:58.640 --> 00:24:02.840 >> So the square is not being reconstructed as a part of any of these projects. 00:24:02.840 --> 00:24:06.400 There is a -- we're looking at some of the utilities there and looking to try to get 00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:08.160 those out of the square. 00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:13.520 It really makes a lot more sense if we don't have any utilities, you know, in those streets, 00:24:13.520 --> 00:24:15.840 so that we don't have to come back. 00:24:15.840 --> 00:24:21.080 But we probably will have to do some construction in the square, but really, Almond Locust Phase 00:24:21.080 --> 00:24:24.500 2, it goes around the square. 00:24:24.500 --> 00:24:32.640 So there will be complete street reconstruction from 380 all the way to Eagle and that piece 00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:35.280 of Eagle that goes to Dallas Drive. 00:24:35.280 --> 00:24:36.280 >> Okay. 00:24:36.280 --> 00:24:43.040 >> So the street will be reconstructed the entire way, minus maybe some of the square. 00:24:43.040 --> 00:24:44.040 >> Okay. 00:24:44.040 --> 00:24:50.080 So those little stubs north of Walnut and south of McKinney would still be incorporated? 00:24:50.080 --> 00:24:51.080 >> Yeah, absolutely. 00:24:51.080 --> 00:24:53.920 >> Because it's within the 600 feet of the intersection or something like that? 00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:54.920 >> Yeah. 00:24:54.920 --> 00:24:55.920 >> Okay. 00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:56.920 I think that was it. 00:24:56.920 --> 00:24:57.920 Thank you. 00:24:57.920 --> 00:24:58.920 >> Okay. 00:24:58.920 --> 00:24:59.920 >> Good. 00:24:59.920 --> 00:25:00.920 >> And -- no. 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:01.920 >> Oh, sorry. 00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:02.920 >> No, super quick question. 00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:03.920 >> No, you're good. 00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:08.760 >> Yeah, so with the Phase 1, so the reason that the road is abysmal right now is just 00:25:08.760 --> 00:25:12.160 because they've been doing drainage work and whatnot, I mean, are we going to get rid 00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:13.160 of the -- 00:25:13.160 --> 00:25:18.040 >> Yeah, so the reason it's like that is because -- so normally TxDOT does not allow utilities 00:25:18.040 --> 00:25:19.040 underneath their roadway. 00:25:19.040 --> 00:25:23.160 Almond Locust is a little different animal just because there's nowhere else to put utilities 00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:25.240 outside of the roadway. 00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:29.120 So that's one of the reasons why we work through this turn back so that we can keep the utilities 00:25:29.120 --> 00:25:33.800 in the roadway and then the city of Denton will be responsible for the actual roadway 00:25:33.800 --> 00:25:34.800 itself. 00:25:34.800 --> 00:25:39.080 So what happened was we came through, did all utilities, so you'll see kind of those 00:25:39.080 --> 00:25:40.800 patches that go across the street. 00:25:40.800 --> 00:25:44.040 Some of them are going with the street and they've settled and now you've got kind of 00:25:44.040 --> 00:25:46.560 that bumpy road. 00:25:46.560 --> 00:25:50.400 Usually what happens and what will happen on Almond Locust Phase 2 is we'll come in, do 00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:54.720 all the utilities and then reconstruct the road so you have a brand new -- you have brand 00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:57.160 new utilities underneath it, brand new surface. 00:25:57.160 --> 00:26:01.800 That didn't happen because TxDOT is responsible for doing the roadway. 00:26:01.800 --> 00:26:06.920 So that's part of the reason why -- and then we're actually supposed to do Almond Locust 00:26:06.920 --> 00:26:08.960 the part north of the square. 00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:12.000 We told them to wait because we have utilities to do there. 00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:13.360 We don't want the same issue to happen. 00:26:13.360 --> 00:26:17.160 Or we don't want them to put a new pavement down, us come in, tear it all up and then 00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:18.160 reconstruct it again. 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:19.160 >> Okay. 00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:20.160 >> Yeah. 00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:22.720 So the finished product is going to be a smooth road? 00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:23.720 >> Yes, ma'am. 00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:24.720 >> Okay. 00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:28.920 >> Yeah, we've been working through kind of what that -- so the city of Vinton's cross-section, 00:26:28.920 --> 00:26:34.760 so what we require like pavement thickness, subgrade is a lot more robust than what TxDOT 00:26:34.760 --> 00:26:35.760 requires. 00:26:35.760 --> 00:26:39.320 So we've been working through what that looks like because, of course, they want to go back 00:26:39.320 --> 00:26:41.760 with what they do because it's cheaper. 00:26:41.760 --> 00:26:46.280 We want it to be to our standard because we're going to have to maintain it for, you know, 00:26:46.280 --> 00:26:47.280 from here on out. 00:26:47.280 --> 00:26:51.040 So we've been working with them and we finally got that agreed, too, and so that's why they're 00:26:51.040 --> 00:26:54.000 going to be moving forward in quarter two of next year. 00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:55.000 >> Okay. 00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:56.000 Commissioner Perot. 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:58.040 >> Sorry, I thought of another one. 00:26:58.040 --> 00:26:59.040 >> That's okay. 00:26:59.040 --> 00:27:05.480 >> The -- so you said all the utility work that's planned south of the square in phase 00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:07.400 one has already been complete? 00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:08.400 >> Correct. 00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:09.400 >> Okay. 00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:11.720 >> As a part of phase -- as a part of phase one, yeah. 00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:12.720 >> Okay. 00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:19.800 This may be general comment or questions to some on the downtown area plan that's ongoing. 00:27:19.800 --> 00:27:27.000 I know many moons ago visionaries, before we redid a lot of the square, had the money 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:32.520 somehow to bury a lot of the utilities, overhead utilities, right? 00:27:32.520 --> 00:27:36.520 And that went down to Prairie, I think, and it didn't go further south, and it extends 00:27:36.520 --> 00:27:39.160 even a shorter distance north of the square. 00:27:39.160 --> 00:27:44.480 I didn't know if there were any thoughts along with the downtown plan to expand that area 00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:47.900 in the future or -- >> Yeah, I'm not sure about that specifically, 00:27:47.900 --> 00:27:53.360 so we are working with Cameron and Sean and their team as a part of that downtown plan, 00:27:53.360 --> 00:27:58.080 specifically with Elm and Locust phase two, to understand, you know, what we can incorporate 00:27:58.080 --> 00:27:59.360 with this project. 00:27:59.360 --> 00:28:04.440 We don't want to kind of delay Elm and Locust phase two just because it's been, you know, 00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:08.960 it seems like 50 years, so -- but we are working with them to understand what can be done as 00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:13.320 a part of that project, and then, you know, kind of how that folds into what they're doing 00:28:13.320 --> 00:28:15.000 as a part of that project as well. 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:16.000 >> Okay. 00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:17.000 Thank you. 00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:19.200 >> Anything else on this one? 00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:20.200 Okay. 00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:21.200 Thank you. 00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:22.200 >> Perfect. 00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:23.200 >> Let's go to Bonnie Bray. 00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:24.200 >> All right. 00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:25.200 Bonnie Bray. 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:27.760 So Bonnie Bray has multiple phases, so I'm going to kind of walk through these. 00:28:27.760 --> 00:28:31.320 Bonnie Bray phase one is from Rose Lawn to Vintage. 00:28:31.320 --> 00:28:33.120 Project's complete. 00:28:33.120 --> 00:28:36.360 Bonnie Bray phase two is actually Vintage itself. 00:28:36.360 --> 00:28:38.560 That project is also complete. 00:28:38.560 --> 00:28:41.400 Bonnie Bray phase three, Rose Lawn to I-35. 00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:46.000 We just started breaking ground on that project within the last couple weeks. 00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:49.480 We have an estimated completion date of quarter two of 2026. 00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:51.520 Pretty large project. 00:28:51.520 --> 00:28:56.680 Bonnie Bray phase four A and four B. So that was one project at one point. 00:28:56.680 --> 00:29:02.320 They broke it out, did the roundabout, so the roundabout's actually complete. 00:29:02.320 --> 00:29:05.680 Bonnie Bray phase four B is I-35 to Scripture. 00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:08.200 That is that 90% design. 00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:14.560 That project was also included as a part of the 2022 county trip bond, and we're holding 00:29:14.560 --> 00:29:15.560 off on construction. 00:29:15.560 --> 00:29:17.320 We're going to bring it all the way to 100%. 00:29:17.320 --> 00:29:21.160 I don't want to start construction on that one right now, kind of the same thing with 00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:26.080 Bonnie Bray phase five because I can't have all of Bonnie Bray under construction all 00:29:26.080 --> 00:29:29.680 at the same time with I-35 also under construction all at the same time. 00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:33.600 So trying to phase those out will bring them all the way to 100%, and then once we get 00:29:33.600 --> 00:29:38.680 close on Bonnie Bray three and six, then we'll start looking at rolling those out and starting 00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:40.960 that construction. 00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:43.680 Bonnie Bray phase five, Scripture to US-380. 00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:49.360 That's also at 90% design, kind of the same story, was included in that 2022 county trip 00:29:49.360 --> 00:29:53.100 bond, and then we'll probably start both of those constructions pretty close together 00:29:53.100 --> 00:29:57.000 once five and six are getting close. 00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:00.840 Bonnie Bray phase six, so that's US-380 to US-77. 00:30:00.840 --> 00:30:07.080 We're working through our final utility relocations on that and working to get our final letter 00:30:07.080 --> 00:30:15.920 of intent from TxDOT, so that has a lot of TxDOT funding associated with it, so it's 00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:20.800 a little longer process, but we're really close on that one, should be bidding it out 00:30:20.800 --> 00:30:27.440 the beginning of next year and then starting construction on that one in Q2 of 2024. 00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:30.280 And I'll pause there for any questions on Bonnie Bray. 00:30:30.280 --> 00:30:35.620 What is your guesstimate on phase six completion? 00:30:35.620 --> 00:30:41.400 It is a two-year project, if I remember correctly, so probably Q2, 2026. 00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:46.000 I would probably push that to Q3 just because there's going to be a lot of coordination 00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:50.160 with this project along with some of the other projects I'm going to go through here. 00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:56.040 Really that whole section is about to be under construction here pretty soon, so. 00:30:56.040 --> 00:30:58.080 Any questions for Bonnie Bray? 00:30:58.080 --> 00:31:04.360 I'm sure it will be nice to get it done, especially with all that growth there, so. 00:31:04.360 --> 00:31:10.480 So the I-35 utility relocation project, so these are all projects that my team is delivering 00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:15.880 and they're in conjunction with the I-35 widening projects that TxDOT is doing, so I'll go through 00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:17.920 those here on the next slide, but. 00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:22.560 So we have multiple projects broken up into different segments. 00:31:22.560 --> 00:31:28.520 We have the I-35 relocation at Mayhill, so that's Loop 288 to Mayhill. 00:31:28.520 --> 00:31:30.880 That project is actually almost completed. 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:35.160 We're finishing up some final things, so we're looking at, you know, probably end of this 00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:40.240 year maybe pushing into the beginning of next year just to work around some of the businesses 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:42.320 that we have right there. 00:31:42.320 --> 00:31:46.340 Northwest Water Transmission Line, so that's Loop 288 to Nicosia. 00:31:46.340 --> 00:31:51.200 That project is currently underway and we're looking at an estimated completion of Q3, 00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:53.280 Q4. 00:31:53.280 --> 00:31:56.460 Also the next one is 380 to Milam. 00:31:56.460 --> 00:32:01.840 Construction is underway with an estimated completion of Q2 of 2024. 00:32:01.840 --> 00:32:08.560 The merge to 380, Q2 of 2024 as well, and then we have a utility relocation at Fort 00:32:08.560 --> 00:32:09.920 Worth Drive. 00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:14.900 That construction is estimated to begin in quarter one of 2024 with an estimated completion 00:32:14.900 --> 00:32:19.840 of quarter three of 2024, so those three I just talked about, we worked really closely 00:32:19.840 --> 00:32:20.840 with TxDOT. 00:32:20.840 --> 00:32:26.320 We have a very expedited timeline on getting their projects out, so we worked to get ours 00:32:26.320 --> 00:32:30.600 out and get them finished before they needed to be out there. 00:32:30.600 --> 00:32:37.200 And then the final one on this is our Milam Creek Gravity Sewer, US 77 to Ganser. 00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:42.360 This one is going to start in Q2 of 2024 with an estimated completion of quarter three of 00:32:42.360 --> 00:32:43.360 2025. 00:32:43.360 --> 00:32:49.600 And the next slide kind of goes with these, so I'll run through those as well. 00:32:49.600 --> 00:32:51.540 So these are the actual TxDOT projects. 00:32:51.540 --> 00:32:56.280 We aren't managing these projects, but TxDOT is managing these and this is the actual widening. 00:32:56.280 --> 00:33:01.160 So the I-35 relocations at Mayhill, they're looking to start that construction in June 00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:03.120 of 2025. 00:33:03.120 --> 00:33:08.560 The Loop 288 to Nicosia, they're looking to start that construction or let date. 00:33:08.560 --> 00:33:10.240 Their wordage is a little different. 00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:13.520 That's when they send it out to bid, it's let date. 00:33:13.520 --> 00:33:16.520 So they're looking to do that in July of 2026. 00:33:16.520 --> 00:33:21.840 380 to Milam, they're letting that in April of 2024. 00:33:21.840 --> 00:33:26.360 Same with the merged to US 380s, that's one of the reasons we had to get our projects, 00:33:26.360 --> 00:33:29.680 our utilities out of the way so they could start those projects. 00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:34.400 Fort Worth Drive, they're looking to let that one in June of 2024. 00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:39.680 And then 77 to Ganser, April of 2024. 00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:42.640 How long is that bidding process typically? 00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:44.040 30 days, usually. 00:33:44.040 --> 00:33:45.040 30 days. 00:33:45.040 --> 00:33:51.760 And then is there any kind of time from when they award that to start? 00:33:51.760 --> 00:33:54.240 Yeah, usually it's pretty quick. 00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:59.000 TxDOT has a separate kind of bidding procurement than we do at the city. 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:02.920 So all of their projects have to be what we call low bid. 00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:06.720 So that's kind of whoever is the lowest bidder wins those. 00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:07.720 We can do those. 00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:11.300 We don't really do them anymore just because you kind of get what you pay for in that way. 00:34:11.300 --> 00:34:15.960 So we do a lot of what we call competitive sealed proposal, which brings into some other 00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:19.240 factors instead of just price. 00:34:19.240 --> 00:34:22.000 Really, another word for it is best value. 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:24.080 So that's what we do a lot. 00:34:24.080 --> 00:34:28.400 And we've also started doing CMAR, which is construction manager at risk. 00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:32.880 Just a different way to deliver projects. 00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:36.040 Any questions on Commissioner Pruitt? 00:34:36.040 --> 00:34:45.640 So I'm guessing the I-35 EW merge, that's a fairly large project, right? 00:34:45.640 --> 00:34:46.640 Absolutely. 00:34:46.640 --> 00:34:47.640 It's like $500 or $600 million. 00:34:47.640 --> 00:34:51.240 Yeah, I don't have the numbers. 00:34:51.240 --> 00:34:52.240 It's a lot of money. 00:34:52.240 --> 00:34:58.640 So I can tell you, TxDOT is spending a lot of money in Denton County right now in the 00:34:58.640 --> 00:34:59.640 billions. 00:34:59.640 --> 00:35:05.900 I'm just trying to turn my brain through how many decades longer it'll be before Bonnie 00:35:05.900 --> 00:35:08.240 Bray is finished. 00:35:08.240 --> 00:35:15.920 So if they're letting mid 2024, it's probably a, what, three-year project, even if it's 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:16.920 accelerated? 00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:20.280 You're talking about for the TxDOT project? 00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:21.280 Yeah. 00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:22.660 I can get those dates for you. 00:35:22.660 --> 00:35:28.080 So we get what we call an on-system report that we go through during mobility committee. 00:35:28.080 --> 00:35:32.200 So you can pull it off of the mobility committee. 00:35:32.200 --> 00:35:33.200 They have some estimates. 00:35:33.200 --> 00:35:35.960 They'll give you all the costs with it and all that stuff. 00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:45.160 So just to refer back to the Bonnie Bray, you had, I think it was phase three and five? 00:35:45.160 --> 00:35:46.160 Three and six. 00:35:46.160 --> 00:35:47.160 No, sorry. 00:35:47.160 --> 00:35:48.160 Three and six. 00:35:48.160 --> 00:35:49.160 No, no, no. 00:35:49.160 --> 00:35:50.160 Four B and five. 00:35:50.160 --> 00:35:51.160 Oh, four B and five, yes. 00:35:51.160 --> 00:35:55.960 The to-be-determined construction start date would be aligned at the completion of that 00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:58.080 35Y project? 00:35:58.080 --> 00:36:02.400 I don't want to guarantee that, but those are things that we take into account of when 00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:03.680 we're going to let those projects. 00:36:03.680 --> 00:36:07.840 So that was one of the reasons why I don't want to, you know, technically I could move 00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:12.200 both of those four B and five to 100% within the next couple months, get them out to bid 00:36:12.200 --> 00:36:13.560 mid-next year. 00:36:13.560 --> 00:36:18.400 And then I've got I-35 all under construction, Bonnie Bray from, you know, Roselon all the 00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:20.400 way to 77 under construction. 00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:21.400 Doesn't make a lot of sense. 00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:24.500 So that's why we're kind of taking those things into account. 00:36:24.500 --> 00:36:27.640 We want to see how those projects are progressing. 00:36:27.640 --> 00:36:31.280 We can get our projects done so that we've got, we don't have the whole corridor under 00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:35.880 construction, you know, we're very cognizant of construction fatigue, making sure you can 00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:41.720 get from A to B. And that was one of the goals on Bonnie Bray B, or Bonnie Bray, to kind 00:36:41.720 --> 00:36:45.480 of do it in chunks, because we knew 35 was going to be under construction. 00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:49.040 So try to get that, you know, another north-south corridor built. 00:36:49.040 --> 00:36:50.040 Okay. 00:36:50.040 --> 00:36:51.040 Thank you. 00:36:51.040 --> 00:36:52.040 Yes, sir. 00:36:52.040 --> 00:36:53.040 Anything else there? 00:36:53.040 --> 00:36:54.040 Okay. 00:36:54.040 --> 00:36:55.040 All right. 00:36:55.040 --> 00:36:59.320 So the next one is Westgate Drive. 00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:02.660 So I didn't put a map up here, which I should have, because it gets really confusing. 00:37:02.660 --> 00:37:09.680 But so the limits of this project are from I-35 to Westgate. 00:37:09.680 --> 00:37:14.460 There's a north-south Westgate that goes from Windsor and Dead Ends. 00:37:14.460 --> 00:37:15.720 That's a part of this project as well. 00:37:15.720 --> 00:37:22.900 And then there's an east-west Westgate that goes from I-35 and Dead Ends to Bronco Way. 00:37:22.900 --> 00:37:31.440 So this project will actually connect I-35, the east-west Westgate, from I-35 to Bronco 00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:37.960 Way, which means it'll be a straight connection from Bonnie Bray all the way to I-35. 00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:40.600 Does that make sense? 00:37:40.600 --> 00:37:41.600 Okay. 00:37:41.600 --> 00:37:45.520 So it's kind of a square with missing the I-35 piece. 00:37:45.520 --> 00:37:51.140 So this project includes water, wastewater, drainage improvements, roadway reconstruction, 00:37:51.140 --> 00:37:52.360 and pedestrian improvements. 00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:57.320 So when I say pedestrian improvements, sidewalks, bike lanes where applicable, those types of 00:37:57.320 --> 00:37:58.320 things. 00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:04.140 So this project will connect east-west Westgate to Bronco Way and then we'll rename that to 00:38:04.140 --> 00:38:10.180 Bronco Way all the way so we don't have multiple brownie roads and Westgates and all those 00:38:10.180 --> 00:38:11.180 types of things. 00:38:11.180 --> 00:38:13.800 We're trying to clean that up. 00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:18.600 The project will connect north-south Westgate to the new Bronco Way with limited vehicular 00:38:18.600 --> 00:38:24.280 movement so there'll be no left turn onto Westgate. 00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:28.680 That project is currently at 60% design and we're estimating construction start date in 00:38:28.680 --> 00:38:37.540 quarter three of 2024. 00:38:37.540 --> 00:38:38.540 Questions there? 00:38:38.540 --> 00:38:44.360 So you're renaming, it's the Westgate that comes off of Bonnie Bray now, right? 00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:46.400 Is that getting renamed? 00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:51.320 So the Westgate comes off of, so the north-south Westgate comes off of Windsor. 00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:53.620 It doesn't actually connect to Bonnie Bray. 00:38:53.620 --> 00:38:58.880 Bronco Way, they've renamed that piece that they built right by the high school, the east-west. 00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:03.120 We'll connect that and then name it Bronco Way all the way to 35. 00:39:03.120 --> 00:39:04.320 So there's a piece. 00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:05.520 That's the piece you're renaming. 00:39:05.520 --> 00:39:06.520 Correct. 00:39:06.520 --> 00:39:11.680 So there's a piece that's in between current, the Bronco Way that's in front of the school 00:39:11.680 --> 00:39:13.800 and east-west Westgate that there is no road. 00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:15.120 It's not constructed. 00:39:15.120 --> 00:39:19.100 So we're going to connect those and then name that Bronco Way the entire way. 00:39:19.100 --> 00:39:22.560 So those people have a new street name who live there? 00:39:22.560 --> 00:39:26.160 The north-south Westgate will not be changed. 00:39:26.160 --> 00:39:27.160 Okay. 00:39:27.160 --> 00:39:28.240 So that's saying Westgate. 00:39:28.240 --> 00:39:29.240 The new piece is... 00:39:29.240 --> 00:39:30.240 Will be Bronco Way. 00:39:30.240 --> 00:39:31.240 Will be coming. 00:39:31.240 --> 00:39:32.240 Correct. 00:39:32.240 --> 00:39:33.240 Bronco Way. 00:39:33.240 --> 00:39:34.240 Okay. 00:39:34.240 --> 00:39:35.240 Interesting. 00:39:35.240 --> 00:39:39.360 Any other questions? 00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:45.240 I hope all of those people know when you get started in there just because they're going 00:39:45.240 --> 00:39:46.240 to be very surprised. 00:39:46.240 --> 00:39:47.240 They're not going to be surprised. 00:39:47.240 --> 00:39:48.240 Trust me, they know. 00:39:48.240 --> 00:39:49.240 Good. 00:39:49.240 --> 00:39:50.240 This has been a long time. 00:39:50.240 --> 00:39:55.240 Oh, I know because I remember at one time that wasn't going to happen, that connection. 00:39:55.240 --> 00:39:56.240 Yeah. 00:39:56.240 --> 00:40:01.400 There used to be a road there that got closed and then it's been a long time. 00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:02.400 Yeah. 00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:03.400 So they know. 00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:04.400 We have lots of community meetings. 00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:05.400 Okay. 00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:06.400 Good. 00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:07.400 They've got my number. 00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:08.400 Good. 00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:09.400 Okay. 00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:10.400 All right. 00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:11.400 So that's all I have on those projects. 00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:14.760 Are there any other questions that I can answer? 00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:17.240 Any other questions? 00:40:17.240 --> 00:40:18.240 Okay. 00:40:18.240 --> 00:40:19.240 Trevor, thank you. 00:40:19.240 --> 00:40:20.240 Yeah. 00:40:20.240 --> 00:40:21.240 Great. 00:40:21.240 --> 00:40:22.240 Thanks for having me. 00:40:22.240 --> 00:40:23.240 Appreciate it. 00:40:23.240 --> 00:40:24.240 It's incredibly helpful and I know we've been talking about wanting to have that discussion 00:40:24.240 --> 00:40:25.240 for a bit now so... 00:40:25.240 --> 00:40:26.240 Yeah. 00:40:26.240 --> 00:40:27.240 Anytime. 00:40:27.240 --> 00:40:28.240 Thanks for making the time. 00:40:28.240 --> 00:40:29.240 Appreciate y'all having me. 00:40:29.240 --> 00:40:31.240 And good luck and we hope for smoother roads soon. 00:40:31.240 --> 00:40:32.240 We'll try. 00:40:32.240 --> 00:40:33.240 Thank you. 00:40:33.240 --> 00:40:36.240 Thank you, Trevor. 00:40:36.240 --> 00:40:38.940 Okay, that was the last item on our work session. 00:40:38.940 --> 00:40:39.940 So we can... 00:40:39.940 --> 00:40:40.940 Madam Chair. 00:40:40.940 --> 00:40:41.940 Yes. 00:40:41.940 --> 00:40:42.940 Of course. 00:40:42.940 --> 00:40:43.940 Can I address something very briefly? 00:40:43.940 --> 00:40:44.940 Oh, of course. 00:40:44.940 --> 00:40:45.940 Okay. 00:40:45.940 --> 00:40:46.940 Of course. 00:40:46.940 --> 00:40:52.000 So staff is very quick and got an answer to Mr. McDade's question so I just thought it'd 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:53.440 be good to address it. 00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:54.440 That would be lovely. 00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:55.440 Okay. 00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:56.440 Yes. 00:40:56.440 --> 00:40:57.440 Thank you. 00:40:57.440 --> 00:40:58.440 And thank you, Cameron and Tina. 00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:02.840 So we were all furiously looking and they're much faster than the attorney in finding the 00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:04.320 legal basis. 00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:12.160 So the way staff has written the ordinance says that any of these private cemeteries 00:41:12.160 --> 00:41:17.400 have to comply with the Texas Health and Safety Code, Chapter 711, which specifically has 00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:24.200 a discrimination prohibition in it, so that says a cemetery organization may not adopt 00:41:24.200 --> 00:41:29.720 or enforce a rule that prohibits interment because of the race, color, or national origin 00:41:29.720 --> 00:41:34.240 of a decedent and there's other provisions too, but it's covered. 00:41:34.240 --> 00:41:41.360 What I wanted to hear, because I mean, my deal was, you know, if I build apartments 00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:46.880 and I keep certain people out, I can be shut down and fined for that, so this should apply 00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:51.560 to anything that's being done in the state of Texas, but that's the answer that I was 00:41:51.560 --> 00:41:52.560 looking for. 00:41:52.560 --> 00:41:53.560 Yeah. 00:41:53.560 --> 00:41:54.560 Now I can put my mind at ease right now. 00:41:54.560 --> 00:41:55.560 Absolutely. 00:41:55.560 --> 00:42:00.120 No, staff did a great job in creating that ordinance and it's all covered. 00:42:00.120 --> 00:42:01.120 Yep. 00:42:01.120 --> 00:42:02.120 Thank you very much for that. 00:42:02.120 --> 00:42:03.120 Thank you. 00:42:03.120 --> 00:42:04.120 That is great. 00:42:04.120 --> 00:42:05.120 Thank you. 00:42:05.120 --> 00:42:06.120 Okay. 00:42:06.120 --> 00:42:07.120 There's no other questions. 00:42:07.120 --> 00:42:20.240 We're going to go ahead and adjourn at 545 and we will reconvene at 630 in Council Chambers. 00:42:20.240 --> 00:42:23.480 Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission meeting for 00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:27.280 Wednesday, November 15th, 2023. 00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:31.440 With the quorum present, I will call our meeting to order at 630 p.m. 00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:35.160 First item on our agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance to the U.S. and Texas Flags. 00:42:35.160 --> 00:42:43.400 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for 00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:50.480 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:42:50.480 --> 00:43:02.800 On the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to the Texas one state, under God, one and indivisible. 00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:03.800 Thank you. 00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:10.320 That will move us to consider the approval of our meeting minutes from October 25th and 00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:12.320 November 1st. 00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:13.320 Commissioner Villarreal. 00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:15.200 I move approval. 00:43:15.200 --> 00:43:16.200 Commissioner Cole. 00:43:16.200 --> 00:43:17.200 Second. 00:43:17.200 --> 00:43:22.200 We've got a first and a second to approve our minutes from the 25th and the 1st of November. 00:43:22.200 --> 00:43:23.200 Any discussion? 00:43:23.200 --> 00:43:24.200 Okay. 00:43:24.200 --> 00:43:33.020 Let's vote, please. 00:43:33.020 --> 00:43:35.420 That motion carries 6-0. 00:43:35.420 --> 00:43:39.040 That will take us to our Consent Agenda. 00:43:39.040 --> 00:43:40.040 Commissioner Villarreal. 00:43:40.040 --> 00:43:41.040 Move approval. 00:43:41.040 --> 00:43:42.040 Commissioner Cole. 00:43:42.040 --> 00:43:43.040 Second. 00:43:43.040 --> 00:43:47.280 We've got a first and a second to approve the Consent Agenda discussion. 00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:48.280 Okay. 00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:58.120 Let's vote, please. 00:43:58.120 --> 00:44:01.120 That motion carries 6-0. 00:44:01.120 --> 00:44:04.720 That will take us to our Items for Individual Consideration. 00:44:04.720 --> 00:44:12.920 First item for APZ23260, that's the Consider Approval of our 2020 Planning and Zoning Commission 00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:13.920 Meeting Calendar. 00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:18.560 Julie, I guess you're going to put that up? 00:44:18.560 --> 00:44:19.560 Thank you. 00:44:19.560 --> 00:44:23.720 You bet. 00:44:23.720 --> 00:44:30.440 So during the work session, I had brought up that we do have a scheduled meeting during 00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:32.760 the week of spring break. 00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:35.400 Staff was able to look things up timeline-wise. 00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:41.240 They did say we had a couple of options if we wanted to entertain them. 00:44:41.240 --> 00:44:45.840 We could move the 13th meeting to the 6th. 00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:51.080 That would put us back-to-back meetings last week of February and then the 6th of March 00:44:51.080 --> 00:44:52.760 if we wanted to do that. 00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:58.120 Or they said they would also be okay to cancel that meeting on the 13th and just do one in 00:44:58.120 --> 00:45:01.080 March and the timeline would still be okay. 00:45:01.080 --> 00:45:03.480 Commissioners, do you have thoughts on that? 00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:08.160 Commissioner Smith, I know you were not at work session, so I don't know if you wanted 00:45:08.160 --> 00:45:11.920 to weigh in at all. 00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:14.920 I don't have any care about the -- not that I don't care about spring break. 00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:20.040 I have no opinion about the meeting of spring break, but if we're able to cancel it and 00:45:20.040 --> 00:45:23.840 still be on the right timeline, I think we should do that versus doing back-to-back. 00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:24.840 Okay. 00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:26.720 Is there any other -- go ahead, Pamela. 00:45:26.720 --> 00:45:30.860 I just wanted to note, if you would like to cancel the meeting on the 13th and switch to 00:45:30.860 --> 00:45:34.440 one meeting in March, we would propose that be on the 20th. 00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:39.600 Just balance out that month? 00:45:39.600 --> 00:45:40.600 Commissioner Pruitt? 00:45:40.600 --> 00:45:41.600 Thank you, Chair. 00:45:41.600 --> 00:45:46.760 Really, my only question is to staff with the number of area plans that we have going 00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:56.560 on and touch points and final hearings and all that, does going a month between meetings 00:45:56.560 --> 00:46:03.080 there risk delaying some of that progress or would we not be the long pole in the tent, 00:46:03.080 --> 00:46:05.760 so to speak, so it doesn't really matter? 00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:11.320 I think Tina's going to come down and speak to that. 00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:12.320 Hi, Tina. 00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:15.200 Hey, Tina Fargans, Deputy Director of Development Services. 00:46:15.200 --> 00:46:17.000 So great question. 00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:20.760 In looking at some of our scheduling, I think we would be fine, especially if we go to one 00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:22.360 meeting in March. 00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:25.560 The other thing is, just past the conversation we've had, we always have the ability to call 00:46:25.560 --> 00:46:31.640 a special meeting if we needed to, to be able to address anything to those projects. 00:46:31.640 --> 00:46:36.440 Any other thoughts, discussion? 00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:41.960 Okay, Commissioner Villarreal, you've got a motion. 00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:47.920 I'm of approval of the present the PNZ calendar with the change of March to a single meeting 00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:48.920 on March 20th. 00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:49.920 Okay. 00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:50.920 Commissioner Cole? 00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:51.920 Second. 00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:52.920 Okay. 00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:54.720 Is there any discussion with that change? 00:46:54.720 --> 00:46:55.720 Okay. 00:46:55.720 --> 00:46:56.720 Great. 00:46:56.720 --> 00:47:04.040 I'm going to vote then, please. 00:47:04.040 --> 00:47:09.480 That motion carries 6-0, and thanks to all staff for working through that and doing those 00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:10.600 timelines and all of that. 00:47:10.600 --> 00:47:11.600 Very much appreciated. 00:47:11.600 --> 00:47:12.600 Okay. 00:47:12.600 --> 00:47:20.400 That will take us to 4B, PP23-0021, and Julie is here to present that item. 00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:26.040 Good evening, Julie Wyatt, Principal Planner with the City of Denton. 00:47:26.040 --> 00:47:31.280 I am presenting PP23-0021. 00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:36.240 This is a preliminary plat for a multifamily development near the intersection of Mayhill 00:47:36.240 --> 00:47:38.280 and Edwards. 00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:41.520 On your backup, it did have a recommendation of denial. 00:47:41.520 --> 00:47:44.960 They did have a couple of items they needed to work through in order to meet the technical 00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:47.440 requirements for platting. 00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:52.040 Since the agenda posted, they have been able to work through those, and so staff is recommending 00:47:52.040 --> 00:47:55.760 approval of the preliminary plat, and I'll be happy to answer any questions. 00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:56.760 Okay. 00:47:56.760 --> 00:47:57.760 Thank you, Julie. 00:47:57.760 --> 00:47:58.760 Any questions for Julie? 00:47:58.760 --> 00:47:59.760 Thank you. 00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:02.240 I do not see any thanks. 00:48:02.240 --> 00:48:03.240 Commissioner Smith. 00:48:03.240 --> 00:48:04.600 Make a motion to approve. 00:48:04.600 --> 00:48:05.600 Commissioner Perrett. 00:48:05.600 --> 00:48:06.600 Second. 00:48:06.600 --> 00:48:08.480 I've got a first and a second for approval. 00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:09.480 Any discussion? 00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:10.480 Okay. 00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:17.820 Let's vote, please. 00:48:17.820 --> 00:48:19.880 That motion carries 6-0. 00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:24.320 That will take us to 4C, FP23-0030. 00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:26.560 Shawn is here to present that item. 00:48:26.560 --> 00:48:27.560 Good evening. 00:48:27.560 --> 00:48:28.560 Good evening. 00:48:28.560 --> 00:48:29.560 Shawn Jacobson, Associate Planner. 00:48:29.560 --> 00:48:40.920 I'm just gonna pull my item up here. 00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:46.480 So this is a final plat for the 100 North Loop 288 edition. 00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:51.440 This is located at the corner of Mayhill and Loop 288. 00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:57.000 At this time, it does not meet our criteria for approval, and therefore staff is not recommending 00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:01.560 approval, but does not have any objection to the second requested extension to a date 00:49:01.560 --> 00:49:04.480 certain of December 13th, 2023. 00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:06.520 Thank you, Shawn. 00:49:06.520 --> 00:49:08.820 Any questions for Shawn? 00:49:08.820 --> 00:49:09.820 Commissioner Villarreal. 00:49:09.820 --> 00:49:12.960 Do we believe the second extension will provide them with enough time to? 00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:13.960 We do. 00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:14.960 Okay. 00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:15.960 Thank you. 00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:16.960 Commissioner Smith. 00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:21.640 Make a motion to approve the extension to date certain of December 13th, 2023. 00:49:21.640 --> 00:49:23.520 Thank you, Commissioner Cole. 00:49:23.520 --> 00:49:24.520 Second. 00:49:24.520 --> 00:49:25.520 Okay. 00:49:25.520 --> 00:49:28.520 We've got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of December 00:49:28.520 --> 00:49:31.240 13th, 2023. 00:49:31.240 --> 00:49:32.240 Any discussion? 00:49:32.240 --> 00:49:33.240 Okay. 00:49:33.240 --> 00:49:40.200 Let's vote, please. 00:49:40.200 --> 00:49:42.120 That motion carries 6-0. 00:49:42.120 --> 00:49:46.520 That will take us to 4D, FP23-0031. 00:49:46.520 --> 00:49:49.060 Shawn is here again for presentation. 00:49:49.060 --> 00:49:50.060 Good evening again. 00:49:50.060 --> 00:49:53.240 Shawn Jacobson, Associate Planner. 00:49:53.240 --> 00:49:58.000 This is a proposed final plat for the Mayhill edition. 00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:00.420 This is off Mayhill. 00:50:00.420 --> 00:50:03.880 At this time, it does not meet our criteria for approval, therefore staff is recommending 00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:09.400 denial, but does not object to the first requested extension to a date certain of December 13th. 00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:11.240 Happy to answer any questions. 00:50:11.240 --> 00:50:12.920 Thank you. 00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:13.920 Questions for Shawn? 00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:14.920 Thank you. 00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:16.840 Thank you, Commissioner Villarreal. 00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:22.120 I move approval of the extension to a date certain of December 13th, 2023. 00:50:22.120 --> 00:50:23.120 Thank you, Commissioner Cole. 00:50:23.120 --> 00:50:24.120 Second. 00:50:24.120 --> 00:50:25.120 Okay. 00:50:25.120 --> 00:50:27.480 We've got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of December 00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:30.080 13th, 2023. 00:50:30.080 --> 00:50:31.080 Any discussion? 00:50:31.080 --> 00:50:32.080 Okay. 00:50:32.080 --> 00:50:44.240 Let's vote on the board, please. 00:50:44.240 --> 00:50:46.240 That motion carries 6-0. 00:50:46.240 --> 00:50:51.000 That will take us to 4E, FP23-0028. 00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:53.560 Ashley is way up for presentation. 00:50:53.560 --> 00:50:54.560 Hi. 00:50:54.560 --> 00:50:55.560 Good evening. 00:50:55.560 --> 00:50:57.800 Ashley Eckstead, Assistant Planner. 00:50:57.800 --> 00:51:00.200 This is FP23-0028. 00:51:00.200 --> 00:51:03.040 This is a final plat for Sagebrook Phase 2. 00:51:03.040 --> 00:51:07.200 This is for 42 residential lots on approximately 9.5 acres. 00:51:07.200 --> 00:51:10.560 This was originally an extension request, but they have worked through all their outstanding 00:51:10.560 --> 00:51:12.600 comments and we are now recommending approval. 00:51:12.600 --> 00:51:14.720 I'm happy to answer any questions. 00:51:14.720 --> 00:51:16.460 Thanks, Ashley. 00:51:16.460 --> 00:51:18.600 Any questions? 00:51:18.600 --> 00:51:20.680 Okay. 00:51:20.680 --> 00:51:21.680 Thank you. 00:51:21.680 --> 00:51:22.680 Commissioner Smith. 00:51:22.680 --> 00:51:24.160 Make a motion to approve. 00:51:24.160 --> 00:51:25.160 Commissioner Cole. 00:51:25.160 --> 00:51:26.160 Second. 00:51:26.160 --> 00:51:28.840 We've got a first and a second for approval. 00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:29.840 Discussion? 00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:30.840 Okay. 00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:37.800 Let's vote, please. 00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:39.640 That motion carries 6-0. 00:51:39.640 --> 00:51:42.640 That will take us to 4F, FP23-0029. 00:51:42.640 --> 00:51:46.740 Ashley here again. 00:51:46.740 --> 00:51:49.120 This is FP23-0029. 00:51:49.120 --> 00:51:52.400 This is a final plat for Sagebrook Phase 2B. 00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:56.720 This is for 115 residential lots on approximately 24 acres. 00:51:56.720 --> 00:51:59.960 They also were able to work through all of their outstanding comments and we are also 00:51:59.960 --> 00:52:02.320 recommending approval on their final plat. 00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:03.320 Happy to answer any questions. 00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:04.320 Thank you. 00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:06.800 I do not see any questions. 00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:09.200 Thank you very much. 00:52:09.200 --> 00:52:10.200 Commissioner Smith. 00:52:10.200 --> 00:52:11.520 Make a motion to approve. 00:52:11.520 --> 00:52:12.520 Commissioner McDade. 00:52:12.520 --> 00:52:13.520 Second. 00:52:13.520 --> 00:52:14.520 Okay. 00:52:14.520 --> 00:52:15.760 We've got a first and a second for approval. 00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:17.240 Any discussion? 00:52:17.240 --> 00:52:18.600 Okay. 00:52:18.600 --> 00:52:25.760 Let's vote, please. 00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:28.080 That motion carries 6-0. 00:52:28.080 --> 00:52:33.080 That will take us to 4G, FP23-0032. 00:52:33.080 --> 00:52:34.240 Hello again, Ashley. 00:52:34.240 --> 00:52:35.240 Hello. 00:52:35.240 --> 00:52:38.260 This one is a final plat for the cottages. 00:52:38.260 --> 00:52:42.300 This is one multifamily lot on approximately 1.8 acres. 00:52:42.300 --> 00:52:46.280 At this time, we are recommending denials that they do not meet all of our criteria for approval, 00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:50.920 but we have no objection to the requested extension to a date certain of December 13th, 00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:51.920 2023. 00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:52.920 Happy to answer any questions. 00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:53.920 Thank you. 00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:56.000 I do not see any questions. 00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:57.000 Oh, yes, I do. 00:52:57.000 --> 00:52:58.000 Commissioner Villarreal. 00:52:58.000 --> 00:52:59.000 Just real quick. 00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:04.320 Do we believe they're able to complete the task within the length of the second extension? 00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:06.480 They're not going to require a third or a fourth extension? 00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:09.840 Yes, they have very few comments remaining on this one. 00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:10.840 Okay. 00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:11.840 Thank you. 00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:12.840 Commissioner Smith. 00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:17.200 Make a motion to approve the extension request date certain December 13th, 2023. 00:53:17.200 --> 00:53:18.200 Commissioner Pruitt? 00:53:18.200 --> 00:53:19.200 Second. 00:53:19.200 --> 00:53:20.200 Okay. 00:53:20.200 --> 00:53:22.360 We've got a first and a second to approve the extension request to a date certain of 00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:25.200 December 13th, 2023. 00:53:25.200 --> 00:53:26.200 Any discussion? 00:53:26.200 --> 00:53:27.200 Okay. 00:53:27.200 --> 00:53:35.120 Let's vote, please. 00:53:35.120 --> 00:53:37.140 That motion carries 6-0. 00:53:37.140 --> 00:53:40.240 That will take us to our public hearings for this evening. 00:53:40.240 --> 00:53:46.040 First one is 5A, DCA230011. 00:53:46.040 --> 00:53:48.560 Cameron's making her way down for presentation. 00:53:48.560 --> 00:53:53.560 That public hearing was opened on our meeting on October 25th, and it was left open. 00:53:53.560 --> 00:53:54.560 Good evening. 00:53:54.560 --> 00:53:55.560 Good evening. 00:53:55.560 --> 00:54:01.320 Cameron Robertson, principal planner. 00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:06.960 This is for DCA230011, Private Cemetery Use. 00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:14.200 So House Bill 783, that was passed this past summer and needs to be implemented by September 00:54:14.200 --> 00:54:15.200 1st. 00:54:15.200 --> 00:54:20.560 Essentially, this House Bill is allowing for individuals, corporations, partnerships, firms, 00:54:20.560 --> 00:54:27.560 trusts or associations to establish or use a cemetery in a municipality that is located 00:54:27.560 --> 00:54:31.640 in a county with a population of more than 750,000. 00:54:31.640 --> 00:54:38.360 Currently, the city does not regulate nor does it recognize this land use. 00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:44.880 Staff did feel that it was necessary to allow for this use in zoning districts where funeral 00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:50.800 and interment facilities are permitted, with the exception of our mixed use downtown core, 00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:55.920 as well as allow for this use in residential rural, our R2 districts, as well as our public 00:54:55.920 --> 00:55:03.960 facilities where current non-city-owned cemeteries currently reside. 00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:10.600 So in terms of that, the staff has made recommendations and proposed amendments to four different 00:55:10.600 --> 00:55:13.040 debt and development code sections. 00:55:13.040 --> 00:55:18.040 The first one was that Table 5.2-A, which I just had. 00:55:18.040 --> 00:55:20.600 The next one is 5.3.4-I. 00:55:20.600 --> 00:55:27.360 This is a new addition for cemetery privately owned, which relates to stating that the cemetery 00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:33.040 does need to comply with our Texas Health and Safety Code, which does include a discrimination 00:55:33.040 --> 00:55:35.560 clause. 00:55:35.560 --> 00:55:39.880 In addition, it does require that a privately owned cemetery may not be maintained in a 00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:46.440 manner that does adversely affect public health, safety or welfare. 00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:51.100 We've also made amendments to our minimum required off-street parking. 00:55:51.100 --> 00:55:56.200 It will be following that same city-owned cemetery use. 00:55:56.200 --> 00:55:59.960 So it will not require a minimum parking requirement. 00:55:59.960 --> 00:56:05.080 Lastly, we do need to define what privately owned cemeteries are. 00:56:05.080 --> 00:56:11.320 So using that Texas Health and Safety Code, as well as that House Bill 783, staff has 00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:17.840 implemented a place established by some individual corporation, partnership, firm, trust or association 00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:23.400 that is used or intended to be used for internment and includes a graveyard, burial park, mausoleum 00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:27.000 or any other area containing one or more graves. 00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:31.480 So staff is recommending approval, as it does meet our Code Text amendments, as outlined 00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:36.200 in our Section 2.7.4-D of the Debt and Development Code. 00:56:36.200 --> 00:56:39.240 And staff's next steps are going to City Council on December 5th. 00:56:39.240 --> 00:56:41.440 And I can stand for any questions. 00:56:41.440 --> 00:56:42.440 >> Thank you, Cameron. 00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:43.440 Any questions? 00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:44.440 Okay. 00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:52.000 Thank you very much. 00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:53.000 Commissioner Smith? 00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:56.000 >> I make a motion to approve. 00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:57.120 >> Great. 00:56:57.120 --> 00:56:58.120 Commissioner Cole? 00:56:58.120 --> 00:56:59.120 >> Second. 00:56:59.120 --> 00:57:00.120 >> Okay. 00:57:00.120 --> 00:57:01.880 We've got a first and a second for approval. 00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:02.880 Any discussion? 00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:03.880 Okay. 00:57:03.880 --> 00:57:16.640 Let's go ahead and vote, please. 00:57:16.640 --> 00:57:18.280 That motion carries 6-0. 00:57:18.280 --> 00:57:25.800 And I am going to just step back because I did actually not close the public hearing 00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:29.560 on that item. 00:57:29.560 --> 00:57:34.560 So I guess -- okay. 00:57:34.560 --> 00:57:36.520 We will go ahead and close the public hearing. 00:57:36.520 --> 00:57:38.720 I did not have any cards wishing to speak on that item. 00:57:38.720 --> 00:57:42.480 I apologize. 00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:47.680 That will now take us to 5-B. That's Z230012. 00:57:47.680 --> 00:57:48.840 Sean is here for presentation. 00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:50.960 I will open the public hearing. 00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:51.960 >> Okay. 00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:58.120 Good evening, Sean Jacobson, Associate Planner, here to present Z23-0012. 00:57:58.120 --> 00:58:02.280 The Teasley commercial rezoning. 00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:06.480 This is a request for rezoning from a planned development to a suburban corridor zoning 00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:12.840 on a 1.09-acre tract east of Teasley and south of Robinson, essentially just south of that 00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:13.840 intersection. 00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:19.320 Background here, this was part of a PD, PD 176, that was created in 1999. 00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:23.640 As part of that PD and the following amendments to it, this was part of an area designated 00:58:23.640 --> 00:58:29.960 for commercial development, and one aspect of that is that the property is now vested 00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:35.760 in a number of outdated codes, so everything from the 1998 landscape code to the 2003 parking 00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:36.920 code. 00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:43.280 And a little background, at that time we created a number of PDs because the 1991 code was 00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:44.600 essentially on its last legs. 00:58:44.600 --> 00:58:49.160 We were getting very close to updating it, but it was fairly outdated, and so PDs were 00:58:49.160 --> 00:58:54.560 being created in part to address the fact that we had a very old code. 00:58:54.560 --> 00:59:00.400 At this time, this rezoning would allow development of the site under suburban corridor uses, 00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:02.880 but under our current DDC standards. 00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:06.200 So staff is recommending approval. 00:59:06.200 --> 00:59:09.980 Just to give you a little, we went into just a little bit of the history there, it is currently 00:59:09.980 --> 00:59:11.600 a vacant lot. 00:59:11.600 --> 00:59:16.040 It's the last remaining lot in this area, surrounded by developed commercial and industrial 00:59:16.040 --> 00:59:17.040 properties. 00:59:17.040 --> 00:59:20.840 Industrial, that's just self-service storage, but we do classify it that way. 00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:24.480 There is a drive aisle and infrastructure already built onto this lot that connect it 00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:27.080 to the surrounding commercial development. 00:59:27.080 --> 00:59:32.720 As we said, mix of somewhat outdated codes applies, you see on the table there. 00:59:32.720 --> 00:59:36.120 We did confirm that there are no previously approved conditions of approval that still 00:59:36.120 --> 00:59:37.760 apply to this lot. 00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:41.840 So there have been various plans approved over the years as part of this PD, but none 00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:45.680 of those provisions apply to this lot that have not already been met. 00:59:45.680 --> 00:59:51.080 So the impact of this, this would enable development of a similar mix of uses as is currently permitted 00:59:51.080 --> 00:59:52.080 by the PD. 00:59:52.080 --> 00:59:57.120 It would exclude some uses that would not necessarily be appropriate such as vehicle 00:59:57.120 --> 01:00:02.240 sales, commercial laundry, dormitory, and it would require that any development follow 01:00:02.240 --> 01:00:03.240 our current standards. 01:00:03.240 --> 01:00:07.400 So current landscape code, street trees, which were not required by the code, this would 01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:10.400 be under, et cetera. 01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:13.800 As you know, one of the most important things we look at is consistency with our comprehensive 01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:16.400 plan and our future land use map. 01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:21.200 The suburban quarter zoning district is consistent with the primary future land use designation 01:00:21.200 --> 01:00:23.080 here, which is community mixed use. 01:00:23.080 --> 01:00:28.600 So that's where commercial uses are predominant and it's designed to bring commercial that 01:00:28.600 --> 01:00:29.920 raises the standard of design. 01:00:29.920 --> 01:00:33.600 So again, keep in mind that this would ensure that any future development would follow our 01:00:33.600 --> 01:00:38.760 current code that does align with the intent of that future land use. 01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:44.480 In addition, this does help to further the goals of our comprehensive plan, goal LU3, 01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:47.760 maintaining, strengthening neighborhoods, commercial employment areas. 01:00:47.760 --> 01:00:50.480 One of our actions there is to create and apply design and development standards to 01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:52.280 improve development quality and functionality. 01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:57.920 So again, bringing development there up to our current code levels. 01:00:57.920 --> 01:01:02.720 We did send out the standard notifications on this and received no responses. 01:01:02.720 --> 01:01:07.620 The applicant did hold a neighborhood meeting and no one was in attendance. 01:01:07.620 --> 01:01:11.920 So with that, staff does recommend approval because this does meet our criteria for approval. 01:01:11.920 --> 01:01:16.200 Happy to stand for any questions and the applicant is also here, although I believe it does not 01:01:16.200 --> 01:01:18.960 have a presentation, but can certainly answer questions. 01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:20.080 >> Thank you, Sean. 01:01:20.080 --> 01:01:21.880 Any questions for Sean? 01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:28.480 Sean, they would, I assume, use this drive that is currently there that services the 01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:31.200 other spaces or would they need another one? 01:01:31.200 --> 01:01:34.920 >> That would be my -- they could develop with the existing drive that would give them 01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:40.320 the two points of access and cross-access that we require. 01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:43.320 >> Okay. 01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:45.060 I do not see any other questions. 01:01:45.060 --> 01:01:46.720 Thank you. 01:01:46.720 --> 01:01:47.720 This is a public hearing. 01:01:47.720 --> 01:01:48.860 I don't have any cards. 01:01:48.860 --> 01:01:52.720 Is there anyone wishing to speak on this item? 01:01:52.720 --> 01:01:55.280 Okay. 01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:59.120 With that, I will go ahead and close the public hearing and open the floor for discussion 01:01:59.120 --> 01:02:06.440 or a motion. 01:02:06.440 --> 01:02:07.440 Commissioner Smith? 01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:08.960 >> Make a motion to approve. 01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:09.960 >> Commissioner Cole? 01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:10.960 >> Second. 01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:13.540 >> We've got a first and a second for approval. 01:02:13.540 --> 01:02:17.120 Any discussion? 01:02:17.120 --> 01:02:18.120 Commissioner Villarreal? 01:02:18.120 --> 01:02:19.120 >> Yeah. 01:02:19.120 --> 01:02:23.280 Very much appreciate all the work you all have done on this and definitely want to make 01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:28.200 sure we are updating the standards to the current code. 01:02:28.200 --> 01:02:34.880 However, I have apprehension at removing the public hearing requirement in the PD and perhaps 01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:36.760 some negative precedents this may set. 01:02:36.760 --> 01:02:39.080 So with that, I will be voting no. 01:02:39.080 --> 01:02:40.080 Thank you. 01:02:40.080 --> 01:02:41.080 >> Thank you. 01:02:41.080 --> 01:02:42.080 Commissioner Perrett? 01:02:42.080 --> 01:02:45.160 >> Point of clarification. 01:02:45.160 --> 01:02:47.580 This is a public hearing now, right? 01:02:47.580 --> 01:02:51.000 So are we removing this public hearing from the process and the public hearing that would 01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:55.120 be present at council? 01:02:55.120 --> 01:03:01.200 >> Well, I mean, this has to go before council. 01:03:01.200 --> 01:03:02.200 >> Yeah. 01:03:02.200 --> 01:03:06.200 So there's this public hearing as an opportunity for the public to speak and then there will 01:03:06.200 --> 01:03:08.320 be another public hearing at council to speak. 01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:09.320 >> Oh, absolutely. 01:03:09.320 --> 01:03:10.320 >> Okay. 01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:11.320 >> Right. 01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:22.920 >> So, look, there are many times that we set PDs as the zoning for good reasons because 01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:26.720 we can't achieve what we need to for that parcel. 01:03:26.720 --> 01:03:34.120 Doing so does not guarantee that it will never change, just like any zoning change. 01:03:34.120 --> 01:03:42.080 It guarantees our citizens to do process, the ability to come before us again if it 01:03:42.080 --> 01:03:45.160 does change and speak their minds. 01:03:45.160 --> 01:03:52.840 I, like many of you, wish others would have come tonight, but this was properly noticed, 01:03:52.840 --> 01:04:01.000 the information in the back up of the notification process, and we're here tonight to be able 01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:08.680 to clean up our code so that residents and business owners can contribute to our city 01:04:08.680 --> 01:04:15.520 with less friction when they're really just looking to develop essentially the same thing 01:04:15.520 --> 01:04:17.280 they're already allowed to. 01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:26.840 I don't see why making that process more onerous on staff and the applicants has any benefit 01:04:26.840 --> 01:04:31.920 when we still have a dual public hearing in this process as well. 01:04:31.920 --> 01:04:32.920 Thank you. 01:04:32.920 --> 01:04:33.920 >> Thank you. 01:04:33.920 --> 01:04:34.920 Commissioner Villarreal. 01:04:34.920 --> 01:04:37.120 >> Definitely respect that point of view. 01:04:37.120 --> 01:04:43.240 However, this is a bit more nebulous than a development coming before us in the community 01:04:43.240 --> 01:04:47.920 having a chance to voice their piece on that development, so with that I'm going to stick 01:04:47.920 --> 01:04:48.920 to my vote. 01:04:48.920 --> 01:04:49.920 Thanks. 01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:50.920 >> Any other discussion? 01:04:50.920 --> 01:04:55.800 I'll go ahead and just say a few words. 01:04:55.800 --> 01:05:02.720 I did have a couple of concerns with this request at work session that between how Sean 01:05:02.720 --> 01:05:12.280 and Haley answered my questions and I delved further into the situation, while I appreciate 01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:19.560 what the PD had in respect to having a public hearing on the design plan, when you think 01:05:19.560 --> 01:05:25.880 about the fact that this is dealing with an old code, it is the last parcel that's here. 01:05:25.880 --> 01:05:32.920 It is a one-acre site, so that's going to eliminate many things from being able to go 01:05:32.920 --> 01:05:33.920 there. 01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:43.560 And with our current code, I feel comfortable that the buffer to that adjacent neighborhood 01:05:43.560 --> 01:05:45.200 will be absolutely adequate. 01:05:45.200 --> 01:05:48.720 So yeah, I'm happy to have answered my question. 01:05:48.720 --> 01:05:51.120 So thank you all. 01:05:51.120 --> 01:05:52.120 There's no further discussion. 01:05:52.120 --> 01:06:01.560 I'll go ahead and call for a vote, please. 01:06:01.560 --> 01:06:04.520 That motion carries 5-1. 01:06:04.520 --> 01:06:12.360 That will take us to our matrix, so I will go ahead and turn that over to Haley. 01:06:12.360 --> 01:06:16.120 >> All right. 01:06:16.120 --> 01:06:20.840 So with this evening's work session discussion, we will be able to strike a couple of the 01:06:20.840 --> 01:06:26.560 understanding items off of our matrix, so we'll get that updated at our next meeting. 01:06:26.560 --> 01:06:30.840 Just a few announcements related to council action. 01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:37.440 There was a few items that were voted on on the November 7th agenda, and let me flip over 01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:38.440 to that. 01:06:38.440 --> 01:06:43.920 We do have an annexation that is working through the process that's out on East McKinney Street. 01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:48.280 So once that process is complete, I'm sure you all will see a zoning case coming before 01:06:48.280 --> 01:06:50.600 you soon after. 01:06:50.600 --> 01:06:54.620 The criteria manual for street lighting as well as the associated code amendment were 01:06:54.620 --> 01:06:56.960 approved by council. 01:06:56.960 --> 01:07:02.760 We did have at that meeting a Tisley Lane multifamily specific use permit that was approved. 01:07:02.760 --> 01:07:05.280 It was a pretty lengthy and lively discussion. 01:07:05.280 --> 01:07:10.480 If you're interested in watching, there was quite a bit of debate regarding the tree preservation 01:07:10.480 --> 01:07:15.560 on the lot, the access to the lot and things of that nature, but it was ultimately approved. 01:07:15.560 --> 01:07:19.040 And then if you followed that meeting and the subsequent meeting, you'll notice that 01:07:19.040 --> 01:07:25.400 the Stuart apartments, the SUP for the additional building height, was initially denied by council, 01:07:25.400 --> 01:07:29.860 but a motion was made to reconsider, and at last night's meeting, they did approve that 01:07:29.860 --> 01:07:30.860 motion to reconsider. 01:07:30.860 --> 01:07:37.680 So that will be back before council in December for further consideration. 01:07:37.680 --> 01:07:41.000 Some things for you all to keep in mind related to some of our area plans. 01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:45.360 We do have the downtown advisory group meeting tomorrow afternoon at 2 p.m. 01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:47.620 That'll be at the development service center. 01:07:47.620 --> 01:07:50.840 If you're interested in following along with that. 01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:56.640 And then on December 4th, we do have a workshop for downtown that will be at 6 p.m. in the 01:07:56.640 --> 01:07:59.560 evening at the UNT Cola building in downtown. 01:07:59.560 --> 01:08:03.960 So you're welcome to stop by and participate and see how that event is progressing. 01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:09.720 And then the following day on December 5th, there is a joint meeting with PNZ and council 01:08:09.720 --> 01:08:13.760 and the downtown or I'm sorry, with the parks board regarding the downtown plan. 01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:15.840 So that will also be our building at 11 o'clock. 01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:18.040 So I'm sure you have it on your calendars already. 01:08:18.040 --> 01:08:19.240 But if not, thank you. 01:08:19.240 --> 01:08:20.240 You're now noticed. 01:08:20.240 --> 01:08:21.240 Yes. 01:08:21.240 --> 01:08:22.240 Thank you. 01:08:22.240 --> 01:08:23.240 What was that? 01:08:23.240 --> 01:08:24.240 Commissioner Cole. 01:08:24.240 --> 01:08:25.240 Thank you, Chair. 01:08:25.240 --> 01:08:26.240 What was that date again? 01:08:26.240 --> 01:08:28.880 December 5th. 01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:31.000 Okay. 01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:34.560 Anything to add to the matrix? 01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:36.000 I have one thing. 01:08:36.000 --> 01:08:41.880 It comes from watching that lively discussion at the council meeting and it led me to think 01:08:41.880 --> 01:08:50.000 that perhaps a discussion, a work session item regarding the concern over the subdividing 01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:58.720 of commercial lots and losing tree preservation in doing so, can we maybe have a discussion 01:08:58.720 --> 01:08:59.720 on that? 01:08:59.720 --> 01:09:04.880 I think it could help us understand better what that means and understand that concern 01:09:04.880 --> 01:09:14.440 by a council member, just to kind of see if we should be doing that, how often we do that, 01:09:14.440 --> 01:09:15.840 just that kind of discussion. 01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:16.840 Sure. 01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:20.640 We can bring forward a discussion regarding the tree code and the subdivision process. 01:09:20.640 --> 01:09:21.640 Okay. 01:09:21.640 --> 01:09:22.640 Excellent. 01:09:22.640 --> 01:09:23.640 Thank you very much. 01:09:23.640 --> 01:09:25.840 Anything else on the matrix? 01:09:25.840 --> 01:09:27.960 Any concluding items? 01:09:27.960 --> 01:09:29.840 Okay. 01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:33.320 With that I'll go ahead and adjourn our meeting at 6.57 p.m. 01:09:33.320 --> 01:09:35.400 Thank you very much, everyone.