WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:10.860 Good morning. It is Monday, November 13, 2023. We are about to kick off the City of Denton 00:00:10.860 --> 00:00:17.380 Public Utility Board meeting of that same day. It is 9/0/1. I'd like to call to order 00:00:17.380 --> 00:00:23.240 the meeting. Are there any presentations from members of the public this morning? It doesn't 00:00:23.240 --> 00:00:28.120 appear to be. We'll move on to our regular meeting, our consent agenda. Would anyone 00:00:28.120 --> 00:00:32.840 like to pull anything from the consent agenda? Mr. Chairman, I would like to pull item B 00:00:32.840 --> 00:00:39.720 from the consent agenda. Be happy to do so, Mr. Wright. Any others? It doesn't appear 00:00:39.720 --> 00:00:49.360 to be. So we will entertain the Chair will entertain a motion for items A, C, D, E, F, 00:00:49.360 --> 00:01:00.280 D, and H. So move. We have a motion. Second. And we have a second. Any further discussion? 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:06.040 If not, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Signed the same. Passes 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:13.800 unanimously. Item number B, Mr. Rybak. Yes, I noted there was a presentation included 00:01:13.800 --> 00:01:20.360 with the links. I thought it might be worthwhile for us to see that based both on the scope 00:01:20.360 --> 00:01:38.560 and dollar expenditure. Thank you. Of what these buildings are and where we're using 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:51.720 them? Is that better? That's better, yeah. So switch curve buildings are used in DME's 00:01:51.720 --> 00:01:59.200 electric substations. They're about 43 by 15 foot. We get modular buildings from the 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:03.480 manufacturer so they build them at the factory and then they ship them to the site and they 00:02:03.480 --> 00:02:09.920 get placed on our foundations. They're arc resistant. They house many types of equipment 00:02:09.920 --> 00:02:17.320 inside of them like switch gear, batteries, chargers, protective devices. Here's some 00:02:17.320 --> 00:02:21.320 pictures of the inside. So you see some batteries here on the left. On the right picture you 00:02:21.320 --> 00:02:28.480 see switch gear and relay panels. So protective devices and the actual breakers and switches 00:02:28.480 --> 00:02:33.320 and stuff that connect to the distribution lines in the city. Those all connect to these 00:02:33.320 --> 00:02:39.960 buildings inside the substations. Here you get kind of a brief overview of kind of how 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:44.360 they connect to things. So the power transformers inside the substations, you're probably familiar 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:50.520 with that term, transformers. Inside the substations are large power transformers and those connect 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:55.760 to the switch gear buildings and the overhead and underground power lines in the city connect 00:02:55.760 --> 00:03:00.200 to these buildings. Typically they connect underground and connect underneath the building 00:03:00.200 --> 00:03:04.600 to the breakers and switches inside. >> So the cost of the building includes the 00:03:04.600 --> 00:03:08.320 switch gear or? >> Yes, sir. Yes, sir. The cost includes everything 00:03:08.320 --> 00:03:14.560 inside the building needed to make it functional. >> So it's a total modular switch gear room 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:20.640 shipped to your site? >> That's correct. Yes, sir. Here the contract 00:03:20.640 --> 00:03:25.120 amount will cover four buildings, one for Brinker substation, two for Underwood and one 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:30.640 for a future project. Here's some more pictures of the inside. 00:03:30.640 --> 00:03:36.720 >> And are these custom made or do they come as a shell and then you add custom features 00:03:36.720 --> 00:03:40.200 to them? >> They're all custom, but like we said, 00:03:40.200 --> 00:03:43.760 we provide a specification to the manufacturer and they build it to what we want. 00:03:43.760 --> 00:03:48.200 >> Okay. So you design it or you outsource the design probably, I would imagine? 00:03:48.200 --> 00:03:51.320 >> Really the manufacturer designs it. We just tell them what we want. So we tell them 00:03:51.320 --> 00:03:56.000 the building needs to be so big. We need this many breakers in it, these kind of batteries, 00:03:56.000 --> 00:04:01.420 et cetera. >> So is the equipment therein tested, needed 00:04:01.420 --> 00:04:04.960 tested before it leaves the manufacturer's facility? 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:09.940 >> It is tested. We also go down to the manufacturer and attend a factory acceptance testing to 00:04:09.940 --> 00:04:14.240 witness the testing and make sure it's acceptable. >> So you have the manufacturer on site as 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:16.600 well? >> We go to the manufacturer and witness the 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:17.600 testing. >> Okay. You go? 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:20.840 >> Yes, sir. >> Does your design engineer or are you guys 00:04:20.840 --> 00:04:26.580 doing the design? Third party design engineer for the building? 00:04:26.580 --> 00:04:28.400 >> It's just us. >> What's that? 00:04:28.400 --> 00:04:32.360 >> We are the only ones that go to the factory acceptance testing. But like I said, the manufacturer 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:36.600 is the one that designs it. We approve the designs and then go down and witness the testing. 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:40.560 >> But the manufacturers themselves do not send a representative to the testing? 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:45.120 >> Yes, it's actually at the manufacturer's facility, the testing is. 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:51.140 >> Well, the manufacturer, the people who build the building aren't the equipment manufacturer 00:04:51.140 --> 00:04:54.340 or am I missing something? >> They are in this case. They build everything. 00:04:54.340 --> 00:04:57.640 >> So the building comes from the manufacturer? >> That's right. 00:04:57.640 --> 00:05:01.480 >> So is it Emerson gear, ABB gear? >> It's Powell. 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:03.520 >> Powell? >> Powell switch gear in Houston, Texas. 00:05:03.520 --> 00:05:06.960 >> So it's Powell gear and a Powell enclosure? >> Building, yes, sir. 00:05:06.960 --> 00:05:12.440 >> Okay. My misunderstanding. Thank you. >> So it's a turnkey operation from Powell, 00:05:12.440 --> 00:05:14.080 is that what you're saying? >> That's correct. 00:05:14.080 --> 00:05:22.600 >> And then I'm curious on the medium voltage. Can you share with me what that, for a layman, 00:05:22.600 --> 00:05:25.600 what would that mean? >> Sure. Medium voltage just means the distribution 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:30.160 lines in the city. So the voltage on those is considered medium voltage. So anywhere 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:34.320 from like 10 kV up to 50 kV is considered medium voltage. 00:05:34.320 --> 00:05:38.320 >> So do we have anything of a heavy voltage here in Denton? 00:05:38.320 --> 00:05:40.240 >> We do have high voltage. That's our transmission system. 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:42.640 >> And that's what you would call that then? >> Yes, sir. 00:05:42.640 --> 00:05:48.760 >> Okay. Thank you. >> That's really the end of the presentation. 00:05:48.760 --> 00:05:52.920 But happy to answer any more questions. >> One other question. So you mentioned for 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:58.440 future projects. So you're basically buying one of these four buildings in advance. How 00:05:58.440 --> 00:06:05.280 soon will that switch gear building be implemented? >> The one we're purchasing now has about 00:06:05.280 --> 00:06:09.680 a year lead time. So about a year and a half from now it will be in service. 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:15.240 >> So three of the four are already slated to go somewhere and the fourth one isn't yet 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:18.840 ready for that building to be provided. >> That's right. 00:06:18.840 --> 00:06:22.200 >> Is that essentially correct? >> It's a future project that we don't know 00:06:22.200 --> 00:06:26.000 if we really need one or not. >> Okay. And do these funds all come from 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:29.000 bond money or are they -- >> Capital projects, sir. 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:33.840 >> Capital projects. Okay. Thank you. >> Would you like to move approval, Lee? 00:06:33.840 --> 00:06:37.680 >> Yes, I would like to move to approve this recommendation. 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:42.520 >> Item number B, item letter B. We have a motion. 00:06:42.520 --> 00:06:43.520 >> Second. >> Second. 00:06:43.520 --> 00:06:48.880 >> We have a second for Mr. Rayner. All those in favor, please say aye. 00:06:48.880 --> 00:06:51.760 >> Aye. >> Any opposed? Sign the same. There appears 00:06:51.760 --> 00:06:55.440 to be none. Passes unanimously. Unanimously we'll move on to items -- 00:06:55.440 --> 00:06:57.000 >> Thank you, sir. >> Thank you. 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:03.440 >> Number three, items for individual consideration. Consider approval of the October 23rd, 2023 00:07:03.440 --> 00:07:05.920 minutes. >> So moved. 00:07:05.920 --> 00:07:07.920 >> Okay. >> Second, sir. 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:12.840 >> We have a motion and a second. Did you get that, Kim? Okay. All those in favor, please 00:07:12.840 --> 00:07:13.840 say aye. >> Aye. 00:07:13.840 --> 00:07:20.560 >> Any opposed? Passes unanimously. Okay. Item letter B for individual consideration. 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:24.760 This is considering -- consider recommending adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton 00:07:24.760 --> 00:07:29.000 to Texas Home World Municipal Corporation authorizing the city manager to execute a construction 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:34.880 manager at risk contract with Sunt Construction Incorporated for construction phase services 00:07:34.880 --> 00:07:40.180 for neighborhood two and six improvements for the capital projects department providing 00:07:40.180 --> 00:07:48.560 for the expenditure of funding for providing an effective date RFQ8055- awarded to Sunt 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:52.800 Construction Incorporated including the first guarantee maximum price in the partial not 00:07:52.800 --> 00:08:00.000 to exceed amount of $13,889,600. >> All right. Good morning, board members. 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:05.680 Seth Garcia, deputy director of capital projects. Sorry for the mouthful there, but he is Craig. 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:12.000 This is for GMP1 for neighborhood two and six associated with our 2019 bond. So for 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:17.000 a quick overview of the entire neighborhood. So neighborhood two and six is outlined in 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:23.520 the blue there. It's roughly 118 roadway segments, a little over 30,000 linear feet of water 00:08:23.520 --> 00:08:28.600 main replacement, 28,000 linear feet of wastewater main replacement. We've done some sidewalk 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:33.760 connectivity studies and street lighting, photometric studies. We've also done partial 00:08:33.760 --> 00:08:38.000 lighting design and are including conduits and pull boxes for future street lighting 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:43.440 as well. And just to point out, this is our second construction manager at risk project 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:51.000 we have going to construction. So more specifically for GMP1, it's going to be the 15 roadway 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:57.120 segments outlined in red here. It's roughly 6,000 linear feet of wastewater main, a little 00:08:57.120 --> 00:09:02.080 over 1800 square yards of sidewalk replacement. And once again, we're installing conduit and 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:09.800 pull boxes for that future street lighting. So to quickly cover the GMP process for a 00:09:09.800 --> 00:09:14.600 CM at risk project. So we separated the work into eight separate categories that you can 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:20.080 see listed there. And then our construction manager at risk publicly bids those individual 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:25.600 work categories. We go through an evaluation process. We then hold interviews with the 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:30.600 CM at risk with the highest ranking firms to confirm their scope and pricing. Once we 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:36.000 have that done, we convert those eight into lump sum packages. Sunt Construction provided 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:42.280 the GMP based on those bids, general conditions costs, bonds and insurance requirements, their 00:09:42.280 --> 00:09:49.600 CMAR contingency, and then their contractor's fee, which was agreed upon in the RFP. So 00:09:49.600 --> 00:09:54.600 this gives you a further breakdown of the actual cost of the GMP. So again, in that 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:59.640 top section, you'll see packages one through eight, including their general work items. 00:09:59.640 --> 00:10:04.760 That is the total cost of the work at a little over 9.6 million. You'll see the next section 00:10:04.760 --> 00:10:09.600 includes allowances. So those allowances are areas that we worked with our CMAR to be able 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:16.040 to quantify items that we saw as a risk. Again, with these allowances, if we do not use these 00:10:16.040 --> 00:10:21.400 funds, they do revert back to the city. And then that last section, you'll see the CM 00:10:21.400 --> 00:10:26.760 at risk contingency, construction fee and general conditions costs. So you add all three 00:10:26.760 --> 00:10:34.360 of those up together and we get to our total of 13.4 million. Question. I know what a contingency 00:10:34.360 --> 00:10:40.840 fund means. It's things go bad, things change, whatever plans are wrong, utility problems. 00:10:40.840 --> 00:10:49.300 Is the construction portion included in that contingency or is that just the managers contingency? 00:10:49.300 --> 00:10:54.960 So the contingency here is actually for the contractor's use. And so like you said, it 00:10:54.960 --> 00:11:01.680 would cover things that aren't necessarily scope growth, but things that were unforeseen, 00:11:01.680 --> 00:11:06.240 but not necessarily like a site condition. We would still compensate them for something 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:11.480 of that nature. So that goes into their, that's coming towards, I mean, that's going to apply 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:17.440 towards their management of possible overruns of other items. Is that correct? No. So they 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:24.040 cannot use it for overruns or things of that nature. If I would say probably the most common 00:11:24.040 --> 00:11:30.000 thing that we would see is if we run into an area to where for phasing the project, 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:35.680 they need to shorten a water main testing to get it in service quicker. That would be 00:11:35.680 --> 00:11:41.680 additional testing costs that we didn't anticipate. They would request to use those contingency 00:11:41.680 --> 00:11:46.080 funds to help expedite the project. Maybe I'm not asking it correctly, but what I'm 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:56.560 trying to get at is does the $404,000 go towards the actual construction and or the management 00:11:56.560 --> 00:12:04.200 fee to the manager? So it goes towards the construction unless the city approves it if 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:09.660 they need additional general conditions costs. Okay, so that'd be another line item change 00:12:09.660 --> 00:12:15.160 order. Correct. Let's say you have a gas line throughout the whole project, right? That's 00:12:15.160 --> 00:12:21.280 horrible because it's not ours, so then you have to deal with them and obviously the manager 00:12:21.280 --> 00:12:25.120 is going to say we're going to be out here another year managing this thing and we're 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:28.920 going to want compensation for that. That'll be a separate line item, correct? Correct. 00:12:28.920 --> 00:12:33.640 And in that case, we could use this bucket of money if there was funds remaining depending 00:12:33.640 --> 00:12:37.320 upon when that popped up in the project or we could use owner's contingency. Okay, okay. 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:42.480 That answers my question. Perfect. And again, with these contingency funds, that $404,000, 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:47.360 something not used reverts back to the city at the end of the contract. Yes, sir. Quick 00:12:47.360 --> 00:12:53.480 question. You mentioned this is our second GMP project. Is Sunt the contractor on the 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:58.560 first one? Sunt is not. The first one is McCarthy Construction. McCarthy. Yes, sir. And how 00:12:58.560 --> 00:13:04.440 has that been going from a management standpoint? Really good. We have a lot going on, so it's 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:10.560 our Southeast Denton Package B project. I would say the biggest advantage is really being 00:13:10.560 --> 00:13:14.120 able to work with the contractor on scheduling and the amount of work that we're getting 00:13:14.120 --> 00:13:20.000 done. So currently, we're doing almost a million dollars a month in construction. We've got, 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:24.040 I think, seven or eight different streets currently under construction. So just with 00:13:24.040 --> 00:13:28.320 the phasing, we're seeing that it helps us expedite some of those streets. So a normal 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:33.240 project that would take us, say, two years, we've been able to cut schedules down to about 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:38.040 15 months just with phasing and working with the contractor through that pre-construction 00:13:38.040 --> 00:13:44.840 phase. So, so far, if we can avoid any big weather hiccups, we will finish that one on 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:51.960 time in May of next year. And budget, too? Yeah. We have used, I believe, half of our 00:13:51.960 --> 00:13:58.840 owner's contingency on some unforeseen utility items, and they've used roughly half of theirs 00:13:58.840 --> 00:14:03.080 on some ground penetrating radar. We're working close to downtown, and we're finding a lot 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:09.160 of really old lines. The subgrade called out for flex base. A lot of these lines are within 00:14:09.160 --> 00:14:15.160 12 inches of the top of surface. So we use some GPR technology to find those things so 00:14:15.160 --> 00:14:20.960 we could identify those franchise folks and either lower them, or if we can remove them, 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:25.360 remove them out. So that was an additional cost that has, I think, really helped the 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:30.920 project, though. When you gave that timeframe of sometime next year, was that the, what 00:14:30.920 --> 00:14:36.480 I'll call the Barnard section of the city, or is that this that you're talking about? 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:42.440 So McCarthy's working on a separate project. Yes. That is actually neighborhood 7A, and 00:14:42.440 --> 00:14:46.120 they're going to be done at the beginning of next year. But again, that one's separate 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:50.080 from the Seymour project. That's a different project than McCarthy has with us. But it's 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:53.360 saying McCarthy. Correct. That's what caught my attention, because I've seen them all around. 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:58.960 I was just curious about Barnard, and then the northeast Idiot Hill area. Are they doing 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:05.000 that as well? They are not doing that one. That one is Sunmount Paving. Okay. Is there, 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:09.440 and I believe their utility contractor is DDM. And did, do you have a top of your mind 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:16.480 of a potential end of that purgatory? I believe it's June of next year, is what's coming. 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:20.600 I would recommend check out Discuss Denton. Our project managers update that monthly. 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:26.400 Discuss Denton, did you say? Discuss, I'm sorry. Discuss Denton. And you can find the 00:15:26.400 --> 00:15:33.840 most current update schedule there. Mr. Raynard, I'll provide the comic relief over here, okay? 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:37.160 It's been a long time, sir. I know. It's good to see you. Good to see you. All right. So 00:15:37.160 --> 00:15:42.120 quickly for the project schedule. So, PUB and council approved the design and Seymour 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:47.560 contract back in November of 2022. So here we're before you today. With y'all's approval 00:15:47.560 --> 00:15:52.440 and council's approval tomorrow, we will issue a notice to proceed next month. We're anticipating 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:57.020 them actually breaking ground in January. And then for package one, we're looking at 00:15:57.020 --> 00:16:04.200 an April 20, 25 completion date. And again, this will be the first package of three total 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:09.360 coming. So we're still working on design. We'll have two more GMPs coming. And so with 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:15.280 that, we recommend approval of the construction contract with Sunt Construction. And for the 00:16:15.280 --> 00:16:21.040 total amount of just over 13.8 million, that includes what we saw for GMP number one and 00:16:21.040 --> 00:16:27.680 then an owner's contingency of just over 400,000. And I can take any other questions. 00:16:27.680 --> 00:16:34.000 A couple of questions. Devin. Thank you. So I have a few questions. If you go back to, 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:41.760 I think it's the third slide, the one with the GMP one map. So the red is what's being 00:16:41.760 --> 00:16:46.960 worked this project? Correct. Okay. And then the black is like the next like phase two 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:54.600 or whatever. That is correct. Okay. And I had my questions are focused on the sidewalk 00:16:54.600 --> 00:17:01.080 and lighting illumination. Do you know where what sidewalks are being replaced or installed? 00:17:01.080 --> 00:17:08.460 Yeah. So on this project specifically, anything that has a ADA ramp that is not in compliance, 00:17:08.460 --> 00:17:16.840 we're bringing that up to code compliance. On Marietta Street and sections of Houston, 00:17:16.840 --> 00:17:23.120 I believe we have quite a few replacements. A lot of those sidewalks are very old from 00:17:23.120 --> 00:17:28.320 the thirties and cross slopes and different things didn't meet current ADA standards. 00:17:28.320 --> 00:17:34.680 So we're doing a lot there. And then the section of maple is within the UNT area that has a 00:17:34.680 --> 00:17:40.680 lot of eight foot, 10 foot side paths that were in poor condition that needed replacement. 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:46.000 So we're doing a lot there as well on maple street in this first package, eight to 10 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:50.000 to eight to 10 feet on maple. And that is correct in the neighborhood. They're probably 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:56.320 like three ish typically five foot of sidewalks. Correct. Yeah. Unless some of the older neighborhoods 00:17:56.320 --> 00:18:00.360 have four foot, if there's an existing four foot and we're just doing replacements, we're 00:18:00.360 --> 00:18:05.280 matching the existing. So we don't have sections of four foot and five foot looking funny through 00:18:05.280 --> 00:18:06.280 the neighborhood. 00:18:06.280 --> 00:18:12.960 And so really the sidewalk is only replacement or ADA compliant? 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:18.480 In this section, that is correct. Once we get into phases two and three or GMPs two 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:23.760 and three, you'll see sections to where we've actually identified some sidewalk gaps through 00:18:23.760 --> 00:18:27.520 connectivity. A lot of it in University of North Texas that we'll be filling in those 00:18:27.520 --> 00:18:32.920 gaps as we go through and do the roadway construction. Okay. And my second question is on illumination. 00:18:32.920 --> 00:18:37.680 I know when they upgraded the neighborhood to LED lights, there were a lot of complaints 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:44.160 and a lot of calls in to turn down the street lights. So I'm, I'm curious what process you 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:51.280 had to, to engage the neighborhood to make sure that that's not too bright of illumination. 00:18:51.280 --> 00:19:02.680 I will pass that to Tony. Very interesting topic, a difficult one to deal with. I think 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:08.480 generally speaking, most of the complaints that we're getting are about insufficient 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:16.160 lighting across the city. Where there is too much lighting, we do have the ability to dim 00:19:16.160 --> 00:19:22.240 those lights. And so, as you know, we recently came forward with a streetlight criteria manual. 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:27.920 Within our processes, we will dim lights down to 50% illumination. That tends to resolve 00:19:27.920 --> 00:19:34.000 a lot of the issues. And so, you know, in these areas of the community, the complaints 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:38.480 we get are really about insufficient lighting. So I really don't anticipate that whatever 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:43.400 we do here will be an issue. Now, the one thing that we do kind of similar to what Seth 00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:50.000 said about sidewalks is we, we try to basically put in similar fixtures that are already there. 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:55.000 So what you find in most of these older parts of town are the Cobra headlights, which, which 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:58.240 the good thing about the Cobra heads is that they're, they are dark sky compliant. There's 00:19:58.240 --> 00:20:05.560 zero up light. So we likely won't be installing any, any of the acorn head streetlights. And 00:20:05.560 --> 00:20:10.680 as you know, you may recall, we're going to be phasing those out after the 1st of January. 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:17.240 We'll be going to a new type of residential neighborhood fixture that'll be dark sky compliant. 00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:22.040 And, and the good thing about that fixture, it tends to project the light straight down 00:20:22.040 --> 00:20:26.880 into the roadway or the sidewalk and eliminate some of the, some of the light pollution that 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:30.320 normally goes into neighborhoods, which is another source of complaint that people have. 00:20:30.320 --> 00:20:34.320 So, but again, here it'll likely be Cobra heads. So we won't get those complaints from 00:20:34.320 --> 00:20:38.480 people about light shining into their houses because those already shine pretty much straight 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:44.040 down. And, and to, to kind of understand those terms, Cobra heads are the ones that they're 00:20:44.040 --> 00:20:49.440 kind of round and I guess oval and flat and point straight down. And acorns are the ones 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:54.960 that have the tapered. The acorn is literally the, it looks like an acorn, right? You must 00:20:54.960 --> 00:20:59.320 have found it in a new, newer neighborhoods. The Cobra heads are the ones you find in major 00:20:59.320 --> 00:21:03.400 thoroughfares. Interestingly enough, we used to install those in neighborhoods. And so 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:06.800 in this older neighborhood likely has a lot of the Cobra heads. So we'll be installing 00:21:06.800 --> 00:21:12.300 those there. So thank you. Yes, sir. Question, if I could ask you on the, it was intriguing 00:21:12.300 --> 00:21:17.800 when you said you could, you can turn them down with the complaints. Is there a formula 00:21:17.800 --> 00:21:27.360 as to when you decide to turn down the voltage somewhat? Yeah. So, so if the speed limit 00:21:27.360 --> 00:21:35.640 is above 30 miles an hour, what the national standards that we follow that there's insufficient 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:43.200 light coming from, from vehicular headlights. And so if it's above 30 miles an hour, we 00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:48.960 will keep those at a hundred percent. Those tend to be the major thoroughfares and roadways 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:56.320 in the neighborhood area. The headlights tend to be the primary safety. So as long as it's 00:21:56.320 --> 00:22:02.240 below 30 miles an hour below, we're able to dim them down to 50%, but nothing below that. 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:05.880 It's just something that our engineers didn't feel comfortable going below 50. Well, I understand 00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:10.880 that. Pardon me for interrupting, but what is the trigger mechanism for you to even do 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:19.320 that? Five complaints. So, so we set, we set all lights at 60%. That's kind of our standard, 00:22:19.320 --> 00:22:26.120 right? 60%. You know, we, we can dim them down to 50, depending on people calling complaining. 00:22:26.120 --> 00:22:30.320 Interestingly enough, a lot of times we have somebody that that's across the street from 00:22:30.320 --> 00:22:34.720 the light complaining about the light being too bright, we'll dim it down. And then the 00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:39.080 person on the other side says it's now it's too dark, dim it up. And so we have to kind 00:22:39.080 --> 00:22:45.280 of manage that. Interestingly enough, recently I had one gentleman at the same house. It 00:22:45.280 --> 00:22:49.080 was complaining that it was too bright and too dark. So I didn't know how to help him. 00:22:49.080 --> 00:22:56.760 Right. And so, no, he was not married. But, but so, so anyways, so, so we're able to go 00:22:56.760 --> 00:23:02.080 down to 50%. That tends to alleviate a lot of the issues. And then, and then we try to 00:23:02.080 --> 00:23:06.880 get creative. There's some, there's some globes out there. They're a little foggier than others. 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:11.400 And so we'll take a foggy globe, you know, from one neighborhood and move it to another 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:14.560 one where somebody's complaining and we'll, and we'll try to accommodate people as best 00:23:14.560 --> 00:23:20.440 we can. I think, I think, you know, it's been now several years since we started going forward 00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:25.640 with the LED conversion. We get, we get very few complaints now about the lights being too 00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:32.360 bright or they're too white. So, so again, we try to accommodate people as best we can. 00:23:32.360 --> 00:23:39.960 Thank you, sir. Any other questions on this item? John, entertain a motion to approve. 00:23:39.960 --> 00:23:47.400 So moved. Second. We have motion and second on an item of an individual consideration, 00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:54.360 3B. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That's just unanimously. Thank 00:23:54.360 --> 00:24:00.680 you. All right. Moving right along. Management reports. So, Mr. Chair, members of the PUB, 00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:08.600 so in front of you have a future agenda items. This is only through December. We do on December 00:24:08.600 --> 00:24:14.400 11th, we do have the final wastewater master plan that will be coming to you in work session. 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:19.320 You know, we'll be adding additional items, you know, here in the next few months. But 00:24:19.320 --> 00:24:24.120 as you know, generally speaking, after, after the first of the year, the utilities and a 00:24:24.120 --> 00:24:27.760 lot of our internal service funds kind of begin the their own internal budget processes. 00:24:27.760 --> 00:24:31.880 And so we'll try to pop, you know, begin to populate that for you so that you'll have 00:24:31.880 --> 00:24:35.640 an idea of when those items will be coming to you. So yeah, so we just had the budget 00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:39.240 approved not long ago, getting ready to kick, you know, kick started again. So we'll be 00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:43.240 back in front of you with awesome. Glad you're getting started earlier. You got behind there 00:24:43.240 --> 00:24:47.760 on those during the COVID period. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Thank you for catching up. Yes, 00:24:47.760 --> 00:24:52.840 sir. And then the next item is a new business action items. We did have a request that we 00:24:52.840 --> 00:25:00.040 completed regarding questions about the Garland power and light power plant. And then we had 00:25:00.040 --> 00:25:06.400 two requests that last meeting one for relate to EVs and our fleet services. We did put 00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:11.400 this out to come back to you in a year that will give time for the folks to kind of see 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:15.240 how how that's working out and we'll get you some information back. And it was a question 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:20.260 about third party software. I do have a meeting scheduled with our attorneys and, and tech 00:25:20.260 --> 00:25:25.920 service as well, so we can strategize on how to bring that back to you in what format. 00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:30.220 So we'll have those discussions. Well, that's why we put this out to January, but you know, 00:25:30.220 --> 00:25:34.920 we might be able to come back sooner. So with that happy to answer your questions you have. 00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:41.140 I have a question about another item I'd like to add. Okay. I noted that all of the propositions 00:25:41.140 --> 00:25:47.140 at the state level passed, one of which included some incentives for power, electrical power 00:25:47.140 --> 00:25:56.660 generation. I wanted to maybe get some feedback from DME about what impact for to or on that's 00:25:56.660 --> 00:26:09.620 going to have for our local utility. We can do that. Thank you. Very good. Looks like 00:26:09.620 --> 00:26:21.920 that's about everything we have entertain a motion to adjourn. Second, we are adjourned. 00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:22.260 No vote.