1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,860 Good morning. It is Monday, November 13, 2023. We are about to kick off the City of Denton 2 00:00:10,860 --> 00:00:17,380 Public Utility Board meeting of that same day. It is 9/0/1. I'd like to call to order 3 00:00:17,380 --> 00:00:23,240 the meeting. Are there any presentations from members of the public this morning? It doesn't 4 00:00:23,240 --> 00:00:28,120 appear to be. We'll move on to our regular meeting, our consent agenda. Would anyone 5 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,840 like to pull anything from the consent agenda? Mr. Chairman, I would like to pull item B 6 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:39,720 from the consent agenda. Be happy to do so, Mr. Wright. Any others? It doesn't appear 7 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:49,360 to be. So we will entertain the Chair will entertain a motion for items A, C, D, E, F, 8 00:00:49,360 --> 00:01:00,280 D, and H. So move. We have a motion. Second. And we have a second. Any further discussion? 9 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:06,040 If not, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Signed the same. Passes 10 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:13,800 unanimously. Item number B, Mr. Rybak. Yes, I noted there was a presentation included 11 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:20,360 with the links. I thought it might be worthwhile for us to see that based both on the scope 12 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:38,560 and dollar expenditure. Thank you. Of what these buildings are and where we're using 13 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:51,720 them? Is that better? That's better, yeah. So switch curve buildings are used in DME's 14 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:59,200 electric substations. They're about 43 by 15 foot. We get modular buildings from the 15 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:03,480 manufacturer so they build them at the factory and then they ship them to the site and they 16 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:09,920 get placed on our foundations. They're arc resistant. They house many types of equipment 17 00:02:09,920 --> 00:02:17,320 inside of them like switch gear, batteries, chargers, protective devices. Here's some 18 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,320 pictures of the inside. So you see some batteries here on the left. On the right picture you 19 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:28,480 see switch gear and relay panels. So protective devices and the actual breakers and switches 20 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:33,320 and stuff that connect to the distribution lines in the city. Those all connect to these 21 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:39,960 buildings inside the substations. Here you get kind of a brief overview of kind of how 22 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:44,360 they connect to things. So the power transformers inside the substations, you're probably familiar 23 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:50,520 with that term, transformers. Inside the substations are large power transformers and those connect 24 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:55,760 to the switch gear buildings and the overhead and underground power lines in the city connect 25 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:00,200 to these buildings. Typically they connect underground and connect underneath the building 26 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,600 to the breakers and switches inside. >> So the cost of the building includes the 27 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,320 switch gear or? >> Yes, sir. Yes, sir. The cost includes everything 28 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:14,560 inside the building needed to make it functional. >> So it's a total modular switch gear room 29 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:20,640 shipped to your site? >> That's correct. Yes, sir. Here the contract 30 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:25,120 amount will cover four buildings, one for Brinker substation, two for Underwood and one 31 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:30,640 for a future project. Here's some more pictures of the inside. 32 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:36,720 >> And are these custom made or do they come as a shell and then you add custom features 33 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,200 to them? >> They're all custom, but like we said, 34 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,760 we provide a specification to the manufacturer and they build it to what we want. 35 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:48,200 >> Okay. So you design it or you outsource the design probably, I would imagine? 36 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,320 >> Really the manufacturer designs it. We just tell them what we want. So we tell them 37 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:56,000 the building needs to be so big. We need this many breakers in it, these kind of batteries, 38 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:01,420 et cetera. >> So is the equipment therein tested, needed 39 00:04:01,420 --> 00:04:04,960 tested before it leaves the manufacturer's facility? 40 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:09,940 >> It is tested. We also go down to the manufacturer and attend a factory acceptance testing to 41 00:04:09,940 --> 00:04:14,240 witness the testing and make sure it's acceptable. >> So you have the manufacturer on site as 42 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,600 well? >> We go to the manufacturer and witness the 43 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:17,600 testing. >> Okay. You go? 44 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,840 >> Yes, sir. >> Does your design engineer or are you guys 45 00:04:20,840 --> 00:04:26,580 doing the design? Third party design engineer for the building? 46 00:04:26,580 --> 00:04:28,400 >> It's just us. >> What's that? 47 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,360 >> We are the only ones that go to the factory acceptance testing. But like I said, the manufacturer 48 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,600 is the one that designs it. We approve the designs and then go down and witness the testing. 49 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,560 >> But the manufacturers themselves do not send a representative to the testing? 50 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:45,120 >> Yes, it's actually at the manufacturer's facility, the testing is. 51 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:51,140 >> Well, the manufacturer, the people who build the building aren't the equipment manufacturer 52 00:04:51,140 --> 00:04:54,340 or am I missing something? >> They are in this case. They build everything. 53 00:04:54,340 --> 00:04:57,640 >> So the building comes from the manufacturer? >> That's right. 54 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,480 >> So is it Emerson gear, ABB gear? >> It's Powell. 55 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,520 >> Powell? >> Powell switch gear in Houston, Texas. 56 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,960 >> So it's Powell gear and a Powell enclosure? >> Building, yes, sir. 57 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:12,440 >> Okay. My misunderstanding. Thank you. >> So it's a turnkey operation from Powell, 58 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,080 is that what you're saying? >> That's correct. 59 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:22,600 >> And then I'm curious on the medium voltage. Can you share with me what that, for a layman, 60 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,600 what would that mean? >> Sure. Medium voltage just means the distribution 61 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:30,160 lines in the city. So the voltage on those is considered medium voltage. So anywhere 62 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:34,320 from like 10 kV up to 50 kV is considered medium voltage. 63 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:38,320 >> So do we have anything of a heavy voltage here in Denton? 64 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,240 >> We do have high voltage. That's our transmission system. 65 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,640 >> And that's what you would call that then? >> Yes, sir. 66 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:48,760 >> Okay. Thank you. >> That's really the end of the presentation. 67 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,920 But happy to answer any more questions. >> One other question. So you mentioned for 68 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:58,440 future projects. So you're basically buying one of these four buildings in advance. How 69 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:05,280 soon will that switch gear building be implemented? >> The one we're purchasing now has about 70 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:09,680 a year lead time. So about a year and a half from now it will be in service. 71 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:15,240 >> So three of the four are already slated to go somewhere and the fourth one isn't yet 72 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,840 ready for that building to be provided. >> That's right. 73 00:06:18,840 --> 00:06:22,200 >> Is that essentially correct? >> It's a future project that we don't know 74 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,000 if we really need one or not. >> Okay. And do these funds all come from 75 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,000 bond money or are they -- >> Capital projects, sir. 76 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:33,840 >> Capital projects. Okay. Thank you. >> Would you like to move approval, Lee? 77 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:37,680 >> Yes, I would like to move to approve this recommendation. 78 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:42,520 >> Item number B, item letter B. We have a motion. 79 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:43,520 >> Second. >> Second. 80 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:48,880 >> We have a second for Mr. Rayner. All those in favor, please say aye. 81 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,760 >> Aye. >> Any opposed? Sign the same. There appears 82 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,440 to be none. Passes unanimously. Unanimously we'll move on to items -- 83 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,000 >> Thank you, sir. >> Thank you. 84 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:03,440 >> Number three, items for individual consideration. Consider approval of the October 23rd, 2023 85 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,920 minutes. >> So moved. 86 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:07,920 >> Okay. >> Second, sir. 87 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,840 >> We have a motion and a second. Did you get that, Kim? Okay. All those in favor, please 88 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:13,840 say aye. >> Aye. 89 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:20,560 >> Any opposed? Passes unanimously. Okay. Item letter B for individual consideration. 90 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,760 This is considering -- consider recommending adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton 91 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:29,000 to Texas Home World Municipal Corporation authorizing the city manager to execute a construction 92 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:34,880 manager at risk contract with Sunt Construction Incorporated for construction phase services 93 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:40,180 for neighborhood two and six improvements for the capital projects department providing 94 00:07:40,180 --> 00:07:48,560 for the expenditure of funding for providing an effective date RFQ8055- awarded to Sunt 95 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,800 Construction Incorporated including the first guarantee maximum price in the partial not 96 00:07:52,800 --> 00:08:00,000 to exceed amount of $13,889,600. >> All right. Good morning, board members. 97 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:05,680 Seth Garcia, deputy director of capital projects. Sorry for the mouthful there, but he is Craig. 98 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:12,000 This is for GMP1 for neighborhood two and six associated with our 2019 bond. So for 99 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:17,000 a quick overview of the entire neighborhood. So neighborhood two and six is outlined in 100 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:23,520 the blue there. It's roughly 118 roadway segments, a little over 30,000 linear feet of water 101 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:28,600 main replacement, 28,000 linear feet of wastewater main replacement. We've done some sidewalk 102 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:33,760 connectivity studies and street lighting, photometric studies. We've also done partial 103 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:38,000 lighting design and are including conduits and pull boxes for future street lighting 104 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:43,440 as well. And just to point out, this is our second construction manager at risk project 105 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:51,000 we have going to construction. So more specifically for GMP1, it's going to be the 15 roadway 106 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:57,120 segments outlined in red here. It's roughly 6,000 linear feet of wastewater main, a little 107 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:02,080 over 1800 square yards of sidewalk replacement. And once again, we're installing conduit and 108 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:09,800 pull boxes for that future street lighting. So to quickly cover the GMP process for a 109 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:14,600 CM at risk project. So we separated the work into eight separate categories that you can 110 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:20,080 see listed there. And then our construction manager at risk publicly bids those individual 111 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:25,600 work categories. We go through an evaluation process. We then hold interviews with the 112 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:30,600 CM at risk with the highest ranking firms to confirm their scope and pricing. Once we 113 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:36,000 have that done, we convert those eight into lump sum packages. Sunt Construction provided 114 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:42,280 the GMP based on those bids, general conditions costs, bonds and insurance requirements, their 115 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:49,600 CMAR contingency, and then their contractor's fee, which was agreed upon in the RFP. So 116 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:54,600 this gives you a further breakdown of the actual cost of the GMP. So again, in that 117 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:59,640 top section, you'll see packages one through eight, including their general work items. 118 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:04,760 That is the total cost of the work at a little over 9.6 million. You'll see the next section 119 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:09,600 includes allowances. So those allowances are areas that we worked with our CMAR to be able 120 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:16,040 to quantify items that we saw as a risk. Again, with these allowances, if we do not use these 121 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:21,400 funds, they do revert back to the city. And then that last section, you'll see the CM 122 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:26,760 at risk contingency, construction fee and general conditions costs. So you add all three 123 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:34,360 of those up together and we get to our total of 13.4 million. Question. I know what a contingency 124 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:40,840 fund means. It's things go bad, things change, whatever plans are wrong, utility problems. 125 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:49,300 Is the construction portion included in that contingency or is that just the managers contingency? 126 00:10:49,300 --> 00:10:54,960 So the contingency here is actually for the contractor's use. And so like you said, it 127 00:10:54,960 --> 00:11:01,680 would cover things that aren't necessarily scope growth, but things that were unforeseen, 128 00:11:01,680 --> 00:11:06,240 but not necessarily like a site condition. We would still compensate them for something 129 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:11,480 of that nature. So that goes into their, that's coming towards, I mean, that's going to apply 130 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:17,440 towards their management of possible overruns of other items. Is that correct? No. So they 131 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:24,040 cannot use it for overruns or things of that nature. If I would say probably the most common 132 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:30,000 thing that we would see is if we run into an area to where for phasing the project, 133 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:35,680 they need to shorten a water main testing to get it in service quicker. That would be 134 00:11:35,680 --> 00:11:41,680 additional testing costs that we didn't anticipate. They would request to use those contingency 135 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:46,080 funds to help expedite the project. Maybe I'm not asking it correctly, but what I'm 136 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:56,560 trying to get at is does the $404,000 go towards the actual construction and or the management 137 00:11:56,560 --> 00:12:04,200 fee to the manager? So it goes towards the construction unless the city approves it if 138 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:09,660 they need additional general conditions costs. Okay, so that'd be another line item change 139 00:12:09,660 --> 00:12:15,160 order. Correct. Let's say you have a gas line throughout the whole project, right? That's 140 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:21,280 horrible because it's not ours, so then you have to deal with them and obviously the manager 141 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,120 is going to say we're going to be out here another year managing this thing and we're 142 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,920 going to want compensation for that. That'll be a separate line item, correct? Correct. 143 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:33,640 And in that case, we could use this bucket of money if there was funds remaining depending 144 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,320 upon when that popped up in the project or we could use owner's contingency. Okay, okay. 145 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:42,480 That answers my question. Perfect. And again, with these contingency funds, that $404,000, 146 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:47,360 something not used reverts back to the city at the end of the contract. Yes, sir. Quick 147 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:53,480 question. You mentioned this is our second GMP project. Is Sunt the contractor on the 148 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:58,560 first one? Sunt is not. The first one is McCarthy Construction. McCarthy. Yes, sir. And how 149 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:04,440 has that been going from a management standpoint? Really good. We have a lot going on, so it's 150 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:10,560 our Southeast Denton Package B project. I would say the biggest advantage is really being 151 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:14,120 able to work with the contractor on scheduling and the amount of work that we're getting 152 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:20,000 done. So currently, we're doing almost a million dollars a month in construction. We've got, 153 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:24,040 I think, seven or eight different streets currently under construction. So just with 154 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:28,320 the phasing, we're seeing that it helps us expedite some of those streets. So a normal 155 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:33,240 project that would take us, say, two years, we've been able to cut schedules down to about 156 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:38,040 15 months just with phasing and working with the contractor through that pre-construction 157 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:44,840 phase. So, so far, if we can avoid any big weather hiccups, we will finish that one on 158 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:51,960 time in May of next year. And budget, too? Yeah. We have used, I believe, half of our 159 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:58,840 owner's contingency on some unforeseen utility items, and they've used roughly half of theirs 160 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:03,080 on some ground penetrating radar. We're working close to downtown, and we're finding a lot 161 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:09,160 of really old lines. The subgrade called out for flex base. A lot of these lines are within 162 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:15,160 12 inches of the top of surface. So we use some GPR technology to find those things so 163 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:20,960 we could identify those franchise folks and either lower them, or if we can remove them, 164 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:25,360 remove them out. So that was an additional cost that has, I think, really helped the 165 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:30,920 project, though. When you gave that timeframe of sometime next year, was that the, what 166 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:36,480 I'll call the Barnard section of the city, or is that this that you're talking about? 167 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:42,440 So McCarthy's working on a separate project. Yes. That is actually neighborhood 7A, and 168 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,120 they're going to be done at the beginning of next year. But again, that one's separate 169 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:50,080 from the Seymour project. That's a different project than McCarthy has with us. But it's 170 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,360 saying McCarthy. Correct. That's what caught my attention, because I've seen them all around. 171 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:58,960 I was just curious about Barnard, and then the northeast Idiot Hill area. Are they doing 172 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:05,000 that as well? They are not doing that one. That one is Sunmount Paving. Okay. Is there, 173 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,440 and I believe their utility contractor is DDM. And did, do you have a top of your mind 174 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:16,480 of a potential end of that purgatory? I believe it's June of next year, is what's coming. 175 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,600 I would recommend check out Discuss Denton. Our project managers update that monthly. 176 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:26,400 Discuss Denton, did you say? Discuss, I'm sorry. Discuss Denton. And you can find the 177 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:33,840 most current update schedule there. Mr. Raynard, I'll provide the comic relief over here, okay? 178 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,160 It's been a long time, sir. I know. It's good to see you. Good to see you. All right. So 179 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:42,120 quickly for the project schedule. So, PUB and council approved the design and Seymour 180 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:47,560 contract back in November of 2022. So here we're before you today. With y'all's approval 181 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:52,440 and council's approval tomorrow, we will issue a notice to proceed next month. We're anticipating 182 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:57,020 them actually breaking ground in January. And then for package one, we're looking at 183 00:15:57,020 --> 00:16:04,200 an April 20, 25 completion date. And again, this will be the first package of three total 184 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:09,360 coming. So we're still working on design. We'll have two more GMPs coming. And so with 185 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:15,280 that, we recommend approval of the construction contract with Sunt Construction. And for the 186 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:21,040 total amount of just over 13.8 million, that includes what we saw for GMP number one and 187 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:27,680 then an owner's contingency of just over 400,000. And I can take any other questions. 188 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:34,000 A couple of questions. Devin. Thank you. So I have a few questions. If you go back to, 189 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:41,760 I think it's the third slide, the one with the GMP one map. So the red is what's being 190 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:46,960 worked this project? Correct. Okay. And then the black is like the next like phase two 191 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:54,600 or whatever. That is correct. Okay. And I had my questions are focused on the sidewalk 192 00:16:54,600 --> 00:17:01,080 and lighting illumination. Do you know where what sidewalks are being replaced or installed? 193 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:08,460 Yeah. So on this project specifically, anything that has a ADA ramp that is not in compliance, 194 00:17:08,460 --> 00:17:16,840 we're bringing that up to code compliance. On Marietta Street and sections of Houston, 195 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:23,120 I believe we have quite a few replacements. A lot of those sidewalks are very old from 196 00:17:23,120 --> 00:17:28,320 the thirties and cross slopes and different things didn't meet current ADA standards. 197 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:34,680 So we're doing a lot there. And then the section of maple is within the UNT area that has a 198 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:40,680 lot of eight foot, 10 foot side paths that were in poor condition that needed replacement. 199 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:46,000 So we're doing a lot there as well on maple street in this first package, eight to 10 200 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,000 to eight to 10 feet on maple. And that is correct in the neighborhood. They're probably 201 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:56,320 like three ish typically five foot of sidewalks. Correct. Yeah. Unless some of the older neighborhoods 202 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:00,360 have four foot, if there's an existing four foot and we're just doing replacements, we're 203 00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:05,280 matching the existing. So we don't have sections of four foot and five foot looking funny through 204 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:06,280 the neighborhood. 205 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:12,960 And so really the sidewalk is only replacement or ADA compliant? 206 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:18,480 In this section, that is correct. Once we get into phases two and three or GMPs two 207 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:23,760 and three, you'll see sections to where we've actually identified some sidewalk gaps through 208 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,520 connectivity. A lot of it in University of North Texas that we'll be filling in those 209 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:32,920 gaps as we go through and do the roadway construction. Okay. And my second question is on illumination. 210 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:37,680 I know when they upgraded the neighborhood to LED lights, there were a lot of complaints 211 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:44,160 and a lot of calls in to turn down the street lights. So I'm, I'm curious what process you 212 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:51,280 had to, to engage the neighborhood to make sure that that's not too bright of illumination. 213 00:18:51,280 --> 00:19:02,680 I will pass that to Tony. Very interesting topic, a difficult one to deal with. I think 214 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:08,480 generally speaking, most of the complaints that we're getting are about insufficient 215 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:16,160 lighting across the city. Where there is too much lighting, we do have the ability to dim 216 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:22,240 those lights. And so, as you know, we recently came forward with a streetlight criteria manual. 217 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:27,920 Within our processes, we will dim lights down to 50% illumination. That tends to resolve 218 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:34,000 a lot of the issues. And so, you know, in these areas of the community, the complaints 219 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,480 we get are really about insufficient lighting. So I really don't anticipate that whatever 220 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:43,400 we do here will be an issue. Now, the one thing that we do kind of similar to what Seth 221 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:50,000 said about sidewalks is we, we try to basically put in similar fixtures that are already there. 222 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:55,000 So what you find in most of these older parts of town are the Cobra headlights, which, which 223 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,240 the good thing about the Cobra heads is that they're, they are dark sky compliant. There's 224 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:05,560 zero up light. So we likely won't be installing any, any of the acorn head streetlights. And 225 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:10,680 as you know, you may recall, we're going to be phasing those out after the 1st of January. 226 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:17,240 We'll be going to a new type of residential neighborhood fixture that'll be dark sky compliant. 227 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:22,040 And, and the good thing about that fixture, it tends to project the light straight down 228 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:26,880 into the roadway or the sidewalk and eliminate some of the, some of the light pollution that 229 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,320 normally goes into neighborhoods, which is another source of complaint that people have. 230 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:34,320 So, but again, here it'll likely be Cobra heads. So we won't get those complaints from 231 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,480 people about light shining into their houses because those already shine pretty much straight 232 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:44,040 down. And, and to, to kind of understand those terms, Cobra heads are the ones that they're 233 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:49,440 kind of round and I guess oval and flat and point straight down. And acorns are the ones 234 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:54,960 that have the tapered. The acorn is literally the, it looks like an acorn, right? You must 235 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:59,320 have found it in a new, newer neighborhoods. The Cobra heads are the ones you find in major 236 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,400 thoroughfares. Interestingly enough, we used to install those in neighborhoods. And so 237 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,800 in this older neighborhood likely has a lot of the Cobra heads. So we'll be installing 238 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:12,300 those there. So thank you. Yes, sir. Question, if I could ask you on the, it was intriguing 239 00:21:12,300 --> 00:21:17,800 when you said you could, you can turn them down with the complaints. Is there a formula 240 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:27,360 as to when you decide to turn down the voltage somewhat? Yeah. So, so if the speed limit 241 00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:35,640 is above 30 miles an hour, what the national standards that we follow that there's insufficient 242 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:43,200 light coming from, from vehicular headlights. And so if it's above 30 miles an hour, we 243 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:48,960 will keep those at a hundred percent. Those tend to be the major thoroughfares and roadways 244 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:56,320 in the neighborhood area. The headlights tend to be the primary safety. So as long as it's 245 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:02,240 below 30 miles an hour below, we're able to dim them down to 50%, but nothing below that. 246 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,880 It's just something that our engineers didn't feel comfortable going below 50. Well, I understand 247 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:10,880 that. Pardon me for interrupting, but what is the trigger mechanism for you to even do 248 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:19,320 that? Five complaints. So, so we set, we set all lights at 60%. That's kind of our standard, 249 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:26,120 right? 60%. You know, we, we can dim them down to 50, depending on people calling complaining. 250 00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:30,320 Interestingly enough, a lot of times we have somebody that that's across the street from 251 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:34,720 the light complaining about the light being too bright, we'll dim it down. And then the 252 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:39,080 person on the other side says it's now it's too dark, dim it up. And so we have to kind 253 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:45,280 of manage that. Interestingly enough, recently I had one gentleman at the same house. It 254 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,080 was complaining that it was too bright and too dark. So I didn't know how to help him. 255 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:56,760 Right. And so, no, he was not married. But, but so, so anyways, so, so we're able to go 256 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:02,080 down to 50%. That tends to alleviate a lot of the issues. And then, and then we try to 257 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,880 get creative. There's some, there's some globes out there. They're a little foggier than others. 258 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:11,400 And so we'll take a foggy globe, you know, from one neighborhood and move it to another 259 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,560 one where somebody's complaining and we'll, and we'll try to accommodate people as best 260 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:20,440 we can. I think, I think, you know, it's been now several years since we started going forward 261 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:25,640 with the LED conversion. We get, we get very few complaints now about the lights being too 262 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:32,360 bright or they're too white. So, so again, we try to accommodate people as best we can. 263 00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:39,960 Thank you, sir. Any other questions on this item? John, entertain a motion to approve. 264 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:47,400 So moved. Second. We have motion and second on an item of an individual consideration, 265 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:54,360 3B. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That's just unanimously. Thank 266 00:23:54,360 --> 00:24:00,680 you. All right. Moving right along. Management reports. So, Mr. Chair, members of the PUB, 267 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:08,600 so in front of you have a future agenda items. This is only through December. We do on December 268 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:14,400 11th, we do have the final wastewater master plan that will be coming to you in work session. 269 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:19,320 You know, we'll be adding additional items, you know, here in the next few months. But 270 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:24,120 as you know, generally speaking, after, after the first of the year, the utilities and a 271 00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:27,760 lot of our internal service funds kind of begin the their own internal budget processes. 272 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,880 And so we'll try to pop, you know, begin to populate that for you so that you'll have 273 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,640 an idea of when those items will be coming to you. So yeah, so we just had the budget 274 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,240 approved not long ago, getting ready to kick, you know, kick started again. So we'll be 275 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,240 back in front of you with awesome. Glad you're getting started earlier. You got behind there 276 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,760 on those during the COVID period. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Thank you for catching up. Yes, 277 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,840 sir. And then the next item is a new business action items. We did have a request that we 278 00:24:52,840 --> 00:25:00,040 completed regarding questions about the Garland power and light power plant. And then we had 279 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:06,400 two requests that last meeting one for relate to EVs and our fleet services. We did put 280 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:11,400 this out to come back to you in a year that will give time for the folks to kind of see 281 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,240 how how that's working out and we'll get you some information back. And it was a question 282 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:20,260 about third party software. I do have a meeting scheduled with our attorneys and, and tech 283 00:25:20,260 --> 00:25:25,920 service as well, so we can strategize on how to bring that back to you in what format. 284 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,220 So we'll have those discussions. Well, that's why we put this out to January, but you know, 285 00:25:30,220 --> 00:25:34,920 we might be able to come back sooner. So with that happy to answer your questions you have. 286 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:41,140 I have a question about another item I'd like to add. Okay. I noted that all of the propositions 287 00:25:41,140 --> 00:25:47,140 at the state level passed, one of which included some incentives for power, electrical power 288 00:25:47,140 --> 00:25:56,660 generation. I wanted to maybe get some feedback from DME about what impact for to or on that's 289 00:25:56,660 --> 00:26:09,620 going to have for our local utility. We can do that. Thank you. Very good. Looks like 290 00:26:09,620 --> 00:26:21,920 that's about everything we have entertain a motion to adjourn. Second, we are adjourned. 291 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:22,260 No vote.