1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,200 - So I guess I'll open my name first. 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:08,440 So today is Tuesday, November 7th, 2023. 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,080 It is 11.37 a.m. 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,080 We do have a forum, so I'll call the City Council 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,560 portion of the meeting to order. 6 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,680 Turn it over to Board of Trustees and President Spieparst. 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,120 - And we have a forum as well, 8 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:27,160 so we can begin to (mumbles) 9 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,280 - Excellent, thank you very much. 10 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,120 City Manager, Superintendent, anything to start off with, 11 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,220 open and safe, anything like that, Chair? 12 00:00:34,220 --> 00:00:35,060 - No, we're ready. 13 00:00:35,060 --> 00:00:35,880 - I'll get it. 14 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:36,720 Okay. 15 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:37,560 - Can I get a meeting for you today? 16 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,380 - Yeah, excellent. 17 00:00:39,380 --> 00:00:40,640 Excellent. 18 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,560 Well, but let's do, let's do point this out. 19 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,520 So we have, Doc, so we had a World Series champion 20 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,160 that went to where? 21 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:50,120 Guyer, is that right? 22 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,020 Associated with Guyer? 23 00:00:52,020 --> 00:00:55,320 - Jackson Rutherford. 24 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:56,600 He's associated with Guyer High School, 25 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,880 and his mom is a long-time PTA member. 26 00:00:58,880 --> 00:00:59,720 - Yes. 27 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:00,820 - Jenny Mabry. 28 00:01:00,820 --> 00:01:01,660 - Excellent. 29 00:01:01,660 --> 00:01:04,420 - And she's an actress, too, which is kind of interesting. 30 00:01:04,420 --> 00:01:05,260 - Man. 31 00:01:05,260 --> 00:01:06,360 - Got Jackson Rutherford, again, 32 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,160 state champion with Macy Wingard. 33 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:10,000 - Yeah. 34 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,200 - Cross country this last week. 35 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,240 She's just a sophomore, so we expect a couple more. 36 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:14,080 - Wow. 37 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,600 - So exciting times for that as well. 38 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:17,440 - Excellent. 39 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:18,480 - And then three teams in the football playoffs 40 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,160 this Friday night. 41 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,080 Guyer and (coughing drowns out speaker) 42 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:22,920 - The Broncos. 43 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,760 - Ryan's hosting, Ryan's hosting in St. Collins, 44 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,840 so you guys come out and watch them play against Lake Hill. 45 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:28,680 - Okay. 46 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:29,500 - It's Friday night. 47 00:01:29,500 --> 00:01:30,340 - Is it Friday night? 48 00:01:30,340 --> 00:01:33,540 - They're Friday night, and they are in Collier, okay? 49 00:01:33,540 --> 00:01:34,380 - Wow. 50 00:01:34,380 --> 00:01:35,200 - Yeah. 51 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,300 - And then Guyer's playing compel at compel. 52 00:01:37,300 --> 00:01:39,440 It's busy. 53 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:40,260 - Wow. 54 00:01:40,260 --> 00:01:43,080 - But of all the things, if anyone here gets an opportunity 55 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:47,000 to go see the musical at Guyer this week, 56 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,800 it's last week and this week, 57 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,000 it'll be your least expensive ticket 58 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,780 for the most professional show you'll ever be a part of. 59 00:01:53,780 --> 00:01:54,620 - Mr. Shep. 60 00:01:54,620 --> 00:01:55,460 - Fantastic. 61 00:01:55,460 --> 00:01:56,760 - Mr. Shep. 62 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,320 - It's a different, it's a weird thing. 63 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,360 I mean, this opportunity is really, really good. 64 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:02,200 - Yeah. 65 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,020 - Susanna, look it up. 66 00:02:03,020 --> 00:02:03,860 - Yeah, I just-- 67 00:02:03,860 --> 00:02:04,700 - Okay. 68 00:02:04,700 --> 00:02:05,540 - We'll let you know before we eat. 69 00:02:05,540 --> 00:02:06,380 - Yeah, we'll come back. 70 00:02:06,380 --> 00:02:07,520 - It wasn't one that was familiar to me. 71 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,720 - That's why, you know, like, if it was Mamma Mia, 72 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:10,560 we would know. 73 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:11,400 - Right, right. 74 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:12,840 (laughing) 75 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:13,680 - We would know. 76 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:14,520 - Yeah. 77 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:15,360 (laughing) 78 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:16,200 - Well, great. 79 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:17,480 Well, I wanted to start off with those things 80 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,360 so that those that are watching potentially, 81 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:21,640 or we can share the link out, 82 00:02:21,640 --> 00:02:24,120 but congratulations to all those, 83 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,120 and thank you for the tip for a date night. 84 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:29,760 - Yeah, I'm telling you, it starts Thursday. 85 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:31,840 Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, 86 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,520 a couple days, it's really good. 87 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,080 - Okay, thank you very much. 88 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,720 Okay, so now we'll take us to our first item, 89 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:43,680 item A, ID 231731, receive a fourth hold discussion, 90 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,000 give staff direction regarding an update 91 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,080 on the implementation of education code, 92 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:54,080 section 37.081, armed security officers required. 93 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:54,960 - Okay. 94 00:02:54,960 --> 00:03:08,200 - Okay, good afternoon, sorry, morning still, 95 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:13,040 members of the council, Mr. Mayor, and the ISD school board. 96 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:14,680 We have a brief presentation for you 97 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,760 to talk a little bit about the effects of House Bill 3, 98 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,560 which, as we all know, dealt with security 99 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,760 and policing within the schools on a statewide level, 100 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,680 and exactly what that would affect 101 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,960 how we do what we do currently with our SROs 102 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,480 and plans for DISD. 103 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,800 So today on the presentation is our Deputy Chief 104 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,760 in charge of services that has oversight of all things 105 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,200 SRO and DISD from the Denton Police Department standpoint, 106 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,600 Deputy Chief Derek Bradford, and I'll turn it over to Derek, 107 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,720 and we also, of course, have been working through this 108 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,600 as a side note for several months with our partners of the ISD, 109 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,240 Dr. Wilson and your staff have been very accommodating, 110 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:51,600 and we appreciate that partnership 111 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:52,640 and that continued partnership. 112 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,400 So we're here for questions, we'll do a brief presentation, 113 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,760 and I look forward to it, so, Mayor? 114 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,120 - Chief. 115 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,000 - Good morning, all, thank you for having us out. 116 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,000 It's a pleasure to be here to speak with you. 117 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,600 As Chief mentioned, House Bill 3 was a lot of legislation 118 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,840 dealing with school security. 119 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,080 Today we're gonna go over very specific things 120 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,920 regarding armed security on campus. 121 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,240 That's the provision of law that we're gonna talk about. 122 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,320 Over to you today, we'll talk about the law, 123 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,120 then we will talk about our plan 124 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,560 to incorporate an interlocal contract via MOU 125 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,920 to implement this plan with ISD in partnership with NPD, 126 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,000 and provide you with a proposed timeline 127 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,760 of how we envision that that's gonna come through. 128 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:36,440 So the law in House Bill 3, 129 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,680 as it relates to measures of school safety, 130 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,840 went into effect on September 1st. 131 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:44,040 Again, legislation was sweeping and had lots of things 132 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,080 and multifaceted stuff to do with safety. 133 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,520 Today we're talking about the provision that requires, 134 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,120 by state law, an armed security personnel 135 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,600 on each school campus. 136 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,880 State legislators put out that the school board, 137 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,120 and in this case, the Denton ISD school board, 138 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,440 shall determine the necessary amount 139 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,160 of the armed school safety officers, 140 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,880 but at least one must be on each campus. 141 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,600 Well, as all of you all know, we have our armed SROs 142 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,600 on the middle school and high school campuses 143 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:15,400 that Denton PD provides to Denton ISD via that MOU. 144 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,000 So how does that affect that relationship? 145 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,960 Well, they outlined security officer 146 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,120 that there's three different options. 147 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,120 The first one is it must be a peace officer. 148 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,880 So any of our SROs that are on campuses already 149 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,480 meet that requirement. 150 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,760 The other ones are a school marshal program. 151 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,200 You may have heard about some of that news. 152 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,320 It's a specific training that the school marshal program 153 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,560 exists via TECOL, which is our state licensing agency, 154 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:40,440 Texas Commission on Law Enforcement. 155 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:41,520 If you're not familiar with it, 156 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,680 think of it as TEA in the school setting 157 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,800 as to law enforcement officers with TECOL. 158 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,680 They give us the credentials and the specifics 159 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,040 that you need to hold a licensed police officer. 160 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,200 They have a TECOL has created a program 161 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,760 with school marshals that you would employ a school marshal 162 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,800 to go through a specific training and be on campus. 163 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,400 Or the other option was any district employee with training 164 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,760 could carry a firearm and need one. 165 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,640 The option that Denton ISD and Denton PD in conjunction 166 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,080 would like to go together is a peace officer. 167 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,240 So that's what we're gonna talk about today. 168 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,560 Implementing that would look like entering 169 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,680 into an interlocal cooperation contract 170 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,720 via a memorandum of understanding 171 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,040 between Denton ISD and Denton PD 172 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:27,000 to assist with providing peace officers on campus. 173 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:28,600 TECOL recently made a change 174 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,640 where individuals can be licensed to be peace officers 175 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,040 without being commissioned to peace officers. 176 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,200 What that means is I, as a teacher 177 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,240 and licensed to go teach at any school, 178 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,040 it's when they hire me, I'm now teaching for that school. 179 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,120 The same is now true with peace officers 180 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,320 that you don't have to be attached and commissioned 181 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:46,880 with a specific department, 182 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:48,800 but you still hold all the same credentials 183 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,320 that you would need to be a peace officer at an agency. 184 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,040 So our plan is to allow Denton ISD 185 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,440 to hire school security officers. 186 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:57,760 That would be individuals 187 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,360 who are licensed to be peace officers. 188 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:01,800 The target market right now 189 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,400 is someone who has probably spent a few years 190 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,480 and is now a retired peace officer. 191 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,840 And they would hold the responsibility with Denton ISD 192 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,440 to be that armed peace officer on campus. 193 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,200 They're not a Denton police officer, 194 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,160 but they hold a peace officer license. 195 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,240 What that would look like is that Denton ISD 196 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,400 is going to be the hiring agency. 197 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,360 So all facets of employer to employee relationship 198 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,320 is handled at the Denton ISD level. 199 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,280 What we envision is that Denton PD 200 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,320 will provide support and training to those individuals 201 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,200 via the ongoing training that's required 202 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:35,880 to maintain their licensure, 203 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:37,720 which was also updated by TECOL recently 204 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:39,920 to include several different classes, 205 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:41,720 including alert training if you're familiar 206 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,880 with active law enforcement rapid response training, 207 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:46,680 active shooter response, et cetera. 208 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,360 That's an ongoing training now required 209 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,260 for every peace officer in Texas. 210 00:07:50,260 --> 00:07:54,600 So that's where Denton PD comes in partnership 211 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,260 with Denton ISD to provide that TECOL mandated training. 212 00:07:58,260 --> 00:08:00,320 In this interlocal cooperation contract, 213 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,920 we're going to agree to provide 214 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,920 all that TECOL mandated training 215 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,560 to the Denton ISD school security officers. 216 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,320 Just wanted to point out, 217 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:11,880 'cause I know I've actually been in this room, 218 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,840 I think last year, talking with folks 219 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,880 about if a law enforcement event were to happen, 220 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,480 who's in charge when law enforcement shows up at schools? 221 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,480 Inside this interlocal contract, 222 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,100 it will state that any criminal response, 223 00:08:26,100 --> 00:08:29,120 if Denton PD shows up and it's Denton PD's jurisdiction, 224 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,320 will reside with Denton PD. 225 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,240 The school safety officer is there to maintain, 226 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:35,400 school security officer is there 227 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,520 to maintain safety and security, 228 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,000 and if an event were to happen, they would take action, 229 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,960 but once Denton PD arrives on scene, 230 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:43,720 it's now a criminal response handled 231 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,140 by a Denton police officer. 232 00:08:45,140 --> 00:08:48,960 So the timeline that we proposed 233 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,800 is Denton ISD actually made an offer 234 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:55,000 to hire a civilian director of safety and security. 235 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,880 And so going forth, we'd like to create 236 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,960 that policy and procedure with the interlocal contract, 237 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,320 and their director of safety and security 238 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,820 works on their own in-house procedures and policies, 239 00:09:06,820 --> 00:09:11,040 uniforms, all the minutiae of a new program, et cetera, 240 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:15,120 all through November, eventually hiring some SSOs 241 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,820 to come on board with Denton ISD in December, 242 00:09:17,820 --> 00:09:23,120 looking to get the MOU approved by both entities here 243 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:24,680 in December as well. 244 00:09:24,680 --> 00:09:27,320 Then all through December, early January, 245 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,360 we'll be making sure that the school security officers 246 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,480 are trained and ready to go to be on campus, 247 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,440 and Denton ISD would decide where they would implement 248 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,600 those that get hired on first. 249 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,200 It's gonna be a plan that they're gonna come up with 250 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,640 in-house, but they would be on campuses coming January. 251 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,000 And then as we move into the rest of the year, 252 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,720 February, Denton ISD, Denton PD would get together 253 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,920 and actually work out what the ongoing training 254 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,360 would look like from this point forward, 255 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,240 and discuss how that's gonna merge together 256 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,600 and what trainings they'd be brought in, et cetera. 257 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,160 And then moving forward after that, 258 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,700 we would continually reassess that relationship 259 00:10:02,700 --> 00:10:04,800 and make sure everybody's getting what they need out of it, 260 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:06,680 whether they're receiving the training, 261 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:09,000 the school security officers receiving their training 262 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,440 that they need, et cetera. 263 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,120 So with all that in mind, do we have any questions 264 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,080 about the school security? 265 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,880 - Questions for Stan? 266 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:23,760 - Thank you. 267 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:28,200 Will there be any kind of a matrixed reporting structure 268 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,320 for the school security officers, for the SROs? 269 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:36,320 - And the reason I'm asking is I was so impressed 270 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,680 when I went through Citizens Police Academy, 271 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:43,680 learned about the SROs become really caring role models, 272 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:46,480 just 'cause they're, by their nature, 273 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,120 just service-oriented individuals, 274 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:49,800 it goes so like above and beyond. 275 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,680 I'd love to see a culture that they've developed, 276 00:10:52,680 --> 00:10:55,700 how to be, you know, that presence in the school, 277 00:10:55,700 --> 00:10:59,480 shared with this new, so would they in any way 278 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,240 be part of our shared management structure? 279 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:03,960 - The initial response is no, 280 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,520 as far as employee-employee relationship. 281 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,200 The SSOs would report directly to the Director of Safety 282 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:10,840 and Security at Denton ISD, 283 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,740 and whatever management structure that they would set up. 284 00:11:13,740 --> 00:11:15,880 That's not to say that part of that ongoing training 285 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,600 might be communication with SROs to develop 286 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,440 some sort of mentorship aspect of education for them, 287 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,480 but as far as reporting to the SROs 288 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,280 or in the chain of command with the MPD, the answer's no. 289 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,520 (clicking) 290 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,240 (mumbles) 291 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:35,840 - Thank you for the information, it's very helpful. 292 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,600 I guess, and this is something that we've talked about 293 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,440 over the years, because right now it seems like 294 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,040 the city of Denton provides the current SROs, 295 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:46,400 and the school district subsidized, 296 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,400 or reimburses the city for some of that cost. 297 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,560 I don't think it's 100% of the cost yet, is that correct? 298 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:54,600 - I don't think it is, I think it's for the 10 months 299 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:55,560 where we use them. 300 00:11:55,560 --> 00:11:58,600 - Okay, all right, but so you're covering the cost 301 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,480 for the time that they're actually in, okay. 302 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,320 - And some training, but then some training goes. 303 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:10,200 - So what, I guess, the training that you're talking about 304 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,760 for these new hires for the DISD, 305 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,280 is that training that we're providing, 306 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,840 is that part of the MOU, that there would be 307 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,920 some kind of cost reimbursement 308 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:20,880 associated with that, I presume? 309 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,540 - Correct, without looking at the document itself, 310 00:12:23,540 --> 00:12:25,880 I believe it says that we will provide the training. 311 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,100 Most often, we are already hosting that training 312 00:12:28,100 --> 00:12:29,880 for our own officers that's required, 313 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,800 so it's as easy as plugging them in, 314 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,920 and the cost associated would be nominal, 315 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,040 like semi-mission rounds for active shooter responses. 316 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,240 - I'll jump in as well, council member. 317 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,860 So short answer is we won't be billing DISD for the training, 318 00:12:42,860 --> 00:12:45,180 that's part of sort of just the working relationship 319 00:12:45,180 --> 00:12:47,800 we have with DISD, so they'll be included in, 320 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,920 as Deputy Chief Pratt mentioned, our specific training. 321 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,380 So we have that overlap of training, 322 00:12:53,380 --> 00:12:54,680 so everybody's on the same page, 323 00:12:54,680 --> 00:12:56,680 it's the response, how to do this, 324 00:12:56,680 --> 00:12:59,680 and that should the thing happen, 325 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:03,160 lead to a much better, hopefully, outcome because of that. 326 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,720 So we want that partnership just as much it benefits us, 327 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,920 it benefits the city, it benefits certainly 328 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:09,240 our school district if we do that. 329 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,800 So that's our way of, we understand that there's a challenge 330 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,520 with the legislation in terms of some funding potentially, 331 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,280 so this is our way of just being good partners with DISD 332 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:19,280 and working forward. 333 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,400 - So I guess, and I've had this question ever since 334 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,800 I've been in the office, is there at some point 335 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,680 DISD has a goal to have their own police department? 336 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:29,600 I mean, or is it always gonna be something 337 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,600 that the city, 'cause now, right now, 338 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,640 what we're having is it's being bifurcated. 339 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,360 You're having some licensed peace officers 340 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,960 for this new legislation, and then we have some 341 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,840 that are Denton police officers. 342 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:47,000 And as you build new schools, which one is gonna apply? 343 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,920 Will you be hiring new people according to this plan 344 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:52,840 for each new school that's built, is that right? 345 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,440 - So let me, I think I can clear up part of that. 346 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,880 The school security officers have one function. 347 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,640 Safety and security of the school. 348 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,320 They're not enforcing criminal law. 349 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,360 They're not arresting people. 350 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,600 They're not involving any of those things. 351 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,960 Any crime within this community is gonna be handled 352 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:10,360 by the Denton police department, 353 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,600 whether it's at a school or anyplace else. 354 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,800 Now, at the middle school and high school, 355 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,240 we have student resource officers. 356 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,200 They're providing safety and security and law enforcement. 357 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,600 At the middle school and high schools. 358 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,080 Current, in the current order. 359 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,600 They're not just safety and security for security purposes. 360 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:31,440 - Okay, so this-- 361 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:32,880 - So if it's a middle school or high school 362 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:34,080 that's built in the city of Denton, 363 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,400 we'll move forward with the same thing we've been doing. 364 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,440 We'll, student resource officers, law enforcement, 365 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,440 safety, security, criminal activity. 366 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,920 If it's an elementary school in the city of Denton, 367 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:45,920 you're gonna get a safety and security officer 368 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,800 who is a licensed peace officer. 369 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,560 The decision we made, we could have had any person 370 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,880 serve in this role as a safety and security officer. 371 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,080 We felt like this community deserved 372 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:00,640 to have someone who was trained, 373 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,720 someone who had background, 374 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,640 someone who had a little bit more development 375 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:10,640 in relationship than a armed security guard company. 376 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:15,600 - Right. - Right? 377 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,520 In other words, we're looking at retired peace officers, 378 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,640 people that retire from the Denton County Sheriff's Office, 379 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,440 people that retire from city of Denton, city of Corinth. 380 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,520 Wherever they happen to retire from 381 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,560 is the employee base for these people 382 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,200 so that we get a huge background of information 383 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:35,160 and work and coverage there, a higher quality. 384 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,640 The state legislature gave us $15,000 a campus. 385 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,960 This is gonna cost 65, right? 386 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:45,920 And they said this is the law, you have to do it. 387 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,440 So, I mean, whenever we put the pencil to it, 388 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,360 we're about almost $4 million underfunded 389 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,080 to meet this statutory requirement, 390 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:56,840 but we don't need to do that 391 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,760 at the expense of not having the most highly qualified person 392 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:01,760 provided the safety and security of the elementary school. 393 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,280 So, go ahead. 394 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:04,240 - Well, my original question was, 395 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,360 so it sounds like you answered it and that is, 396 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:11,360 there's not really a policy moving forward 397 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,760 of the DSD having their own, 398 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,480 and I'm not talking about security officers 399 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:16,320 like they're describing here. 400 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,640 I mean, you know, some independent school districts 401 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,960 have their own police departments. 402 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,080 - If you read the Uvalde Report, 403 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:24,520 they will tell you the biggest, 404 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,960 one of the biggest contributing factors 405 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,640 to the issues at Uvalde was that Uvalde had its own department. 406 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,280 - The Uvalde Independent School District 407 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:34,960 had its own department. - Had its own department. 408 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:36,440 - Okay. 409 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,200 - The JANA command, the actual piece, 410 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:40,840 and you know, in our city, 411 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,320 we've got Texas Woman's University Police Department, 412 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,440 University of North Texas Police Department, 413 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,560 City of Denver Police Department, 414 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,400 North Central Texas College Police Department Chairs, 415 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:51,720 Sheriff's Office. 416 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,400 There's a lot of overlap within all of that. 417 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:59,280 And our students are citizens of the community too, right? 418 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,160 I mean, they're all in there together. 419 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,160 Some schools have made the decision 420 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:05,840 to get their own police department, 421 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,080 and it's because they don't have great working relations 422 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:09,480 with their cities like we do. 423 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:15,200 Most school districts in our county 424 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,800 that have their own police department 425 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,040 don't have the same relationship with their cities 426 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,760 that we do to have that reciprocal piece go back and forth 427 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:27,160 about student resource officer in the school 428 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,720 help us in the community, right? 429 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:31,240 All the way through, all the way around. 430 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,160 So what we had to work on here 431 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:34,520 from the school district's perspective, 432 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,720 and Chief and I talked a lot about this, 433 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,520 from a public safety perspective, 434 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:41,760 Chief didn't wanna have people 435 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,680 who weren't highly qualified in, 436 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,720 and that could be troublesome for our Dent PD officers 437 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,160 that show up if the thing happens. 438 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,200 - So then why don't you, if that's the case, 439 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,760 so you've answered the question as far as moving forward, 440 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,160 that the Dent Police Department 441 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:02,080 will continue to provide those security services for SROs, 442 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,680 and then DISD will reimburse the city 443 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,920 for the costs of those services 444 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,400 through the 10 months that they're providing. 445 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,240 So then you're saying that 65,000 on campus 446 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,200 provide these people and they're licensed police officers, 447 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:15,520 but they're not commissioned. 448 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,800 So what is it costing then if we provide an officer? 449 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:23,280 Because if we're providing an officer for 70,000, 450 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,360 and you're hiring someone, 451 00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:28,640 I guess what's the advantage of going this route 452 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,640 or going the route of having other police people 453 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,400 who are actually licensed police officers on the campus? 454 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,400 - I'll take a stab and let Chief take it. 455 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,360 You're already short officers within the department already. 456 00:18:40,360 --> 00:18:42,760 We're looking to grow the employee base, 457 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,640 the resource by which we can recruit people to do. 458 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:46,720 - Okay. 459 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,920 - And it's got to do with human capital. 460 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:53,760 Our smaller municipalities, Lilliam, Correct, and Aubrey, 461 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,360 they are not short officers. 462 00:18:56,360 --> 00:18:57,520 They have different requirements, 463 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,840 and it's different kinds of things that play with that. 464 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,280 So we are entering into those agreements with them, right? 465 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:04,120 - Okay. 466 00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:06,080 - And so for us at the city of Denton, 467 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:10,400 we just felt like it was important 468 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,200 that we not try to recruit from each other. 469 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,960 Like if we've got our own police department, 470 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:15,800 we're trying to-- 471 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,240 - No, that issue, we put that to rest. 472 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:19,840 - So then the next part of it is, 473 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,040 how do we get the best person? 474 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:24,120 - Right. 475 00:19:24,120 --> 00:19:26,480 - How does someone who's been in law enforcement 476 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,680 for 20 plus years possibly retire 477 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,440 and can go work at a school from seven to four every day 478 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:34,720 and be security and armed 479 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,440 and have 20 plus years of training in the background 480 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:38,840 and do the updates? 481 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,240 Chief, do you want to take anything else? 482 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,120 - So the people that they're going to be hiring 483 00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:48,280 are not people that we would be hiring as police officers. 484 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,080 If they're retired, is that what I'm hearing? 485 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,640 - Yeah, and to continue to focus on what Dr. Wilson said, 486 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,000 quite frankly, our staffing levels have, 487 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,240 and will be for some time, 488 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,280 not able to fill all the specialty assignments 489 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,120 that we have until we staff out appropriately. 490 00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:08,720 So we balance that with the agreement, 491 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,120 and we've had, like Dr. Wilson said, 492 00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:11,560 many, many conversations about this, 493 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:12,880 as well as with the board, 494 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,360 to say, look, we value the relationship, 495 00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:18,600 we're gonna continue what we're doing. 496 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,720 This is a good alternative that we've all agreed on 497 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:21,840 that we think is effective, 498 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,760 and I would double down on what Dr. Wilson said about, 499 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,840 we don't want your everyday, 500 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,560 your run-of-the-mill person with a gun 501 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,200 being in charge of safety and security. 502 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:33,240 That's just not-- 503 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:34,200 - Oh, no, I'm not saying that. 504 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:35,920 I'm just saying, if you're hiring somebody 505 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:37,880 that you're paying 65 or 70,000 for, 506 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,960 that's not going to be doing the things 507 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,040 and can't do the things 508 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,600 that a Denton police officer can do. 509 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:44,600 - Sure. 510 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:45,800 - But if you're saying, 511 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,840 so that just brings me to the point then, 512 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,120 then that's something that the Dent City Council 513 00:20:50,120 --> 00:20:51,920 needs to look at in continuation 514 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,440 with the Independent School Board, 515 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,120 to say, hey, if we're short, 516 00:20:56,120 --> 00:20:58,840 and we wanna provide the best possible 517 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,120 public safety measures in our schools, 518 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:03,680 and if we're, from a city perspective, 519 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,240 we can hire, and from a financial perspective 520 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:07,480 of how much has it costed, 521 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:08,720 well, that's something we need to look at 522 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:09,560 in the next budget. 523 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,000 So I'd say, if we're short on police officers, 524 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,440 whether or not the schools are in the city, 525 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:14,440 we need to address that. 526 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,000 - Sure, if I may, as a point of clarification on that. 527 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,120 So we've had, we're blessed, I think, 528 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:23,200 that we've had council backing on hiring new officers 529 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,960 and adding officers to staff, so that's not an issue. 530 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,400 Keep in mind that this House bill passed very quickly, 531 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,840 and the implementation was not so long ago, 532 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,880 very, very quickly, but they now shall sort of do it. 533 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,200 And with that comes, whenever we hire a peace officer, 534 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,360 there's a lengthy process of the application. 535 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:40,920 They have to go through testing, 536 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,160 they have to go through an academy, 537 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,600 they have to go through field training, 538 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,080 and so you're talking close to a year 539 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,080 before that officer even comes out. 540 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,440 So the delay on that is really significant. 541 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,400 Our calls for service are continuing to increase 542 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,080 as the city grows, so we have to balance that out 543 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,040 as a whole within the city itself. 544 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,120 So I don't want any of you all to feel like 545 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:01,560 there's no support felt by us, quite the opposite. 546 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,000 - Oh, no, I don't-- - We just wanna continue 547 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,840 to recruit more and more people for the job. 548 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,000 - Yeah, okay, well, and the timing is the thing 549 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,920 that makes the most sense to me, because in the end, 550 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,160 if we want that maximum protection, 551 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,760 I think we need to start talking about and thinking about 552 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,960 that this is possibly a transition period 553 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,200 that if we need to get, you know, 554 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,520 unless you just think that in the elementary schools, 555 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:25,360 there's not that need. 556 00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:27,800 - Well, that's kind of, here's, 557 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,760 if you talk to many law enforcement agencies 558 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:34,760 across the state, they would quite often tell you, 559 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,760 part of the issue with individual district police 560 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,200 departments is you take certified commissioned 561 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,480 police officers that wanna work in a police department 562 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:45,880 into a school district police department 563 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,960 when cities are short, right? 564 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,480 This law went into effect September 1st, 565 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,160 which affected about over 1,056 school districts 566 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,240 that all had to get into some kind of compliance. 567 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,200 And so what the city of Denton Police Department 568 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,960 was mastering was making sure that whatever we did 569 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,840 is consistent with what we value in our community, 570 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,120 that we had the highest quality possible. 571 00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:13,600 So in the event that the thing happens, 572 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,720 we know exactly who, where, how, why, what, 573 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,040 and we have our hand on that. 574 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:23,200 And it's a, there's a human capital piece, right? 575 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,880 There's also, and we think this is gonna work for us, 576 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,920 we may not be able to find the people, I don't know. 577 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:29,760 Right? 578 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,160 I mean, we're gonna put it out there and see what we get. 579 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,520 We know how many applicants I got for $15,000 a year 580 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:36,560 when I posted it for that. 581 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,080 (audience laughs) 582 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:38,920 Which was one. 583 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:39,760 - Not even minimum wage. 584 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,840 - Which was one who, I had one applicant 585 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,840 who couldn't pass the background check, right? 586 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,240 So that's when you say to yourself, let's work through this. 587 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,520 So, you know, from a school district perspective, 588 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,640 I fully anticipated that there would be additional 589 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,320 resources come forward to help us pay for this. 590 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:03,120 But we're in the middle of the soon before special session. 591 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:04,680 - Yeah, I appreciate the info. 592 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:05,520 That's it, thank you. 593 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,080 - Let's go. 594 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,440 - Okay, any other questions? 595 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:13,800 Let's go, Councilman McGee, Bernd, and then Councilman Harlan. 596 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,120 - Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 597 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:17,600 Without restating what Councilman Watts says, 598 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,200 I just wanna say I absolutely agree. 599 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,080 I think that conversation needs to be had in budget time. 600 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,480 So I'll just ask one question. 601 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,680 Is this what you're doing, is that gonna be consistent 602 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,480 with all the 18 cities that you serve? 603 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:30,320 - It's different. 604 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,400 - What's it different based off of every different city? 605 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,680 - It's different based on very different city. 606 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:35,840 Depends on what they do in their city 607 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,720 as far as how their arrangements work 608 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,560 with the other school districts in their city. 609 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,120 They're being consistent with that. 610 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:44,680 If they provide student resource officers 611 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:45,840 at elementary schools in Little Land, 612 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,360 they're providing student resource officers 613 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,560 at elementary schools in Midlands. 614 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,920 But it's consistent with what their city is doing, right? 615 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:54,520 Same thing with Corinth. 616 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,960 If Corinth is providing student resource officers 617 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,160 at the elementary schools in Lake Dallas, 618 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,880 then they're gonna provide student resource officers 619 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,280 at elementary schools in Hawke. 620 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,120 When they're smaller, it's different. 621 00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:08,880 There's a lot of different pieces. 622 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,040 Their calls aren't the same. 623 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,680 Their work level's different. 624 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:16,280 It's just different in those different municipalities. 625 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,680 Then County Sheriff, you can't find jailers. 626 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,840 You can't find people as it is now. 627 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,960 So our schools that are served by the sheriff's offices 628 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,080 will be working through school security officers 629 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,240 and doing it, and I'll give you that part too. 630 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,680 - And if I may just finish on Mr. Mayor, 631 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,240 I appreciate this. 632 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,360 Again, I'm gonna co-assign, Mrs. Madden City Manager. 633 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:38,680 I'm with Chris and I'm very interested in that conversation. 634 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:39,960 I would love to see what it looks like 635 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,440 if we review our budget. 636 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,440 I know we're opening up FTEs for, I believe, 637 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,920 five offices a year. 638 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,920 As we, the last joint meeting we had, 639 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,640 we learned that we're gonna double in size in 25 years. 640 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,040 I'm very interested in having that conversation 641 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,000 to see if going forward, if five is enough, 642 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,600 if we need to hire at a more, open up more FTEs 643 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,760 at a more aggressive rate from a policy standpoint. 644 00:25:58,760 --> 00:25:59,960 I know it's difficult to find them, 645 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:03,280 but we have a job to do, so I wanna thank Councilmember Walsh 646 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,120 for bringing that to the floor. 647 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:06,160 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 648 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:07,000 - Councilmember. 649 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,440 - Well, I'm thinking in regards 650 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:16,040 to not finding your employees that you're looking for, 651 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:20,160 and a lot of retired people like me. 652 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,560 Not necessarily interested in messing up 653 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:24,760 our Social Security. 654 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:30,880 So if we go out and add too much to their, another wage, 655 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:35,960 that's gonna offset their Social Security, 656 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,960 and they don't get that back once they make this transition. 657 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,320 Then again, the next year they may not be doing that, 658 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,760 then thus they have lost their Social Security, 659 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,400 or they're some type of pension, you know, 660 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,640 the windfall profit thing going on there. 661 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,320 So in my head, I'm just, 662 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,800 and we can just put this on the table as well. 663 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,560 We may want to think about hiring people at part time, 664 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:08,360 and that's why that $15,000 kind of make more sense to me 665 00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:12,400 than a full $65,000, $70,000 for someone 666 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,840 that's already retired. 667 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,760 That might be where that interest is lacking there. 668 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,800 So if you all could go back and just kind of research that, 669 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,480 I would assume that we would want to do that. 670 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,400 - Oh, whatever we have to do to get it covered, 671 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:27,720 whether it's three part-time people, 672 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,600 or two part-time people, or one full-time person, 673 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,160 we don't get into the how. 674 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,800 - Yes, it's gonna cost. 675 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,160 Yeah, and then, you know, 676 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,240 saying you're gonna go work for a school district 677 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:45,240 these days is not something that is a pretty thing. 678 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,400 - I disagree completely. 679 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,240 - I do, I do disagree with that. 680 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,080 I disagree with that. 681 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,320 - I'm pushing back, I'm pushing back, Ms. Bird, 682 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,160 I'm pushing back. 683 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,040 - I'm pushing back on that statement as well, 684 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,040 because I know it's something that's very necessary, 685 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,160 and I know that, you know, I enjoy my time. 686 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,640 But you know, just out there in the world, 687 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,280 how people are looking at our education system. 688 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,600 - They love it. 689 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,440 - They do, they love it. 690 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,980 But it could be, you know, sound, 691 00:28:12,980 --> 00:28:15,040 I don't know, it could just sound 692 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,320 a little bit more attractive. 693 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,040 I don't know how you all are putting that out there. 694 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,840 I haven't seen, you know, the equipment materials 695 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:22,960 or what have you. 696 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,320 But those are the two things that's crossing my mind 697 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:26,160 right now. 698 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,840 I would certainly wanna do that if I wasn't doing this. 699 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,160 I'd probably, you know, scrap one of my little, 700 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,600 no, I'm just kidding. 701 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:34,440 But thank you all. 702 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,280 - That's good. 703 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:36,100 - Thank you very much. 704 00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:36,940 - Councilman Harlow. 705 00:28:36,940 --> 00:28:37,760 - Thank you. 706 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,920 Is there not some duplicity between an SRO and an SSO? 707 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,720 - There is, with one exception. 708 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:45,800 The school security officers 709 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,680 are not going to enforce criminal law. 710 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,520 They're not gonna arrest people. 711 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:50,680 They don't have arrest powers. 712 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:51,520 They're not gonna need that. 713 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,400 If something criminal happens at an elementary school, 714 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,760 we're calling the police department. 715 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:56,880 - So will that person 716 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,640 patrol the grounds, the homes? 717 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,040 - No, they're gonna be armed or on campus 718 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,640 for security purposes only, 719 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,040 not to enforce criminal laws. 720 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:07,880 - I see. 721 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:08,720 - Okay, those are the differences. 722 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,640 That bifurcates the difference 723 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,760 between a student resource officer 724 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,260 and a school security officer. 725 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:15,720 - Thank you. 726 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:16,540 - Thank you, Mayor. 727 00:29:16,540 --> 00:29:17,660 - Any other questions? 728 00:29:17,660 --> 00:29:22,520 Okay, I have one kind of handoff question. 729 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,840 So in this, I fully support this. 730 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,680 I think this is a great solution 731 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,600 to something that did come down the pipe really fast, 732 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,280 but from a kind of how it's gonna be implemented. 733 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,520 So SROs are on campus. 734 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,360 Heaven forbid something happens 735 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,360 that SRO is kind of the point person. 736 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,560 Is that? 737 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:44,880 And then other officers arrive, 738 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,200 let's say that's needed, unfortunately. 739 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,480 What does that look like? 740 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,840 Is there a handoff or does that person, 741 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,180 I just wanna understand that handoff. 742 00:29:53,180 --> 00:29:56,360 Obviously in the SSO scenario, 743 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,080 that's different because we would show up 744 00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,000 in an assumed authority, 745 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,640 but here you have a officer that's already on site 746 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,440 and has the most information available. 747 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:06,840 How does that handoff work? 748 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,420 - We identify that as someone who's in command. 749 00:30:10,420 --> 00:30:11,920 The training on our end is, 750 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,600 that's literally all you say over the radio 751 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,080 is show me in command. 752 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,500 And you are in command of inside that scene 753 00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:19,160 until you are either relieved of command 754 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,520 or the situation is over. 755 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,680 Being relieved of command is usually a supervisor 756 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,440 who shows up on the scene, gets briefed, 757 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:26,520 and then assumes command. 758 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,640 And again, it's just taking over of your radio. 759 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:29,660 - Got it, okay. 760 00:30:29,660 --> 00:30:31,220 Thank you, just wanted to understand that. 761 00:30:31,220 --> 00:30:32,060 Missy, go ahead. 762 00:30:32,060 --> 00:30:34,320 - I think it's important to note 763 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,360 one of the key words here is collaboration 764 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,840 between the school, the ISD and the city. 765 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,680 This does not happen in every city. 766 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,880 In every city, they have different policing matters. 767 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,180 They don't work well with the school district. 768 00:30:47,180 --> 00:30:49,000 But in this case, there's a partnership here 769 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,960 that's very important to us as a city, 770 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,600 but also very important to the school district 771 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,160 so that the training is undertaken together 772 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,760 so that if there is, God forbid, an emergency, 773 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,340 that all those individuals are trained as to what happens. 774 00:31:02,340 --> 00:31:04,960 And when that command is turned over, 775 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,520 should there be an incident, 776 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,380 that we have all the people well prepared to deal with. 777 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,280 - I wanna say that because this is a lot of work 778 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,800 between the city, particularly our police department, 779 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:20,360 Frank, Chief Shoemaker, Deputy Chief Bradford, 780 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,400 and then of course our school system, 781 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,140 just to get this all worked out. 782 00:31:24,140 --> 00:31:25,400 The proof will be in the pudding, 783 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,780 but the key word here is collaboration and partnership. 784 00:31:29,780 --> 00:31:34,000 On the other part, as far as from police officers, 785 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,960 we have been very active in making sure 786 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,080 that we have put officers in the queue 787 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,600 so that we don't sit there 788 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,320 and not have qualified, quality police officers. 789 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,160 But Chief Shoemaker is absolutely right. 790 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,720 It takes approximately a year to get 'em on the street. 791 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,360 And so we're always kind of ahead of ourselves. 792 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,920 If you recall, we came back to council before the budget 793 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,520 and asked for some positions. 794 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,560 And then as a part of our agreement, 795 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,360 we put in five through the budget process. 796 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,640 I can assure you, both the school board and the council, 797 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,920 that we will continue to take a proactive role, 798 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,560 not only in our police department, 799 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,000 but in our fire department, because emergency services, 800 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,640 because that is one of the most important things 801 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:16,580 a city can do. 802 00:32:16,580 --> 00:32:20,880 - The message I'd like for us to leave here with today 803 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:25,880 is we could have been in compliance with this law 804 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,560 with some very low-level, low-trained, 805 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:35,120 low-fidelity solutions. 806 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,680 That's not what this community values. 807 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,040 That's not what the school district values. 808 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,680 It's not what Chief Shoemaker values. 809 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,920 That's why you see it being this intentionality 810 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,960 in this level, in the actual license 811 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,720 and TECO certification and training and all that. 812 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,520 None of that is required to be in compliance 813 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,840 with the House, not one of those things, right? 814 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,400 Only thing is required that you have someone 815 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,120 armed on campus to meet the letter of the law. 816 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,620 We need more than that. 817 00:33:03,620 --> 00:33:07,200 We have a higher expectation than that. 818 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,240 And our community expects more of us than that, 819 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,320 and that's why you see us trying to bridge this, 820 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,040 and we'll grow it and see how it works through. 821 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,520 Many other schools are trying a similar approach. 822 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,360 Some have their own departments. 823 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,360 Some have municipalities that want to go ahead 824 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,720 and do the full student resource officer, 825 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,320 'cause they don't have as much of a human capital issue. 826 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:35,160 They say that until they have vacancies, right? 827 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,920 You might not have an issue now when you start asking 828 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,400 for another $4,000 of them across the state. 829 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,560 There's a delta. 830 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,760 So from the trustees' perspective 831 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,200 and the council's perspective, 832 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:51,720 you have leadership in the school district with Dr. Russell 833 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,040 and in the police department with Chief Shoemaker 834 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,240 that are taking a high level of fidelity and implementation 835 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,800 and not just check the box for compliance. 836 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,200 It's cheaper to check the box for compliance, 837 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,640 but it's not the quality you're looking for. 838 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,080 - Correct. 839 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:08,920 Council member. 840 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:09,760 - Thank you. 841 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:10,600 One quick follow-up. 842 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,640 I don't know if this is for Frank or Chief. 843 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,840 With the increased training, 844 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,480 is there gonna be any increased budgetary need on our side? 845 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,200 - Well, that'll be ongoing conversations that Chief and I 846 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,240 we've been having and going to continue to have, 847 00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:24,560 'cause in the same vein, 848 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,200 we don't wanna have just any training out there. 849 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,280 We're always gonna bring forth the best possible training 850 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,640 for all of our employees, including the assessors. 851 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,120 - Thank you. 852 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,200 - Frank, anything else? 853 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:37,520 - One real just, sorry. 854 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,360 I know, Mayor. 855 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,200 So in the elementary schools, 856 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,520 just so I understand the difference 857 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,080 between security and criminal law enforcement. 858 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,360 So let's say a fight breaks out in elementary school, 859 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,600 either between students or a student and a teacher. 860 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:58,600 So the SO is on campus. 861 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,880 So they go and try to figure out a way 862 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,760 to break that up, quote unquote. 863 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,880 - What would be a different scenario? 864 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,560 I mean, what would they not be able to do 865 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,400 that an SRO would be able to do? 866 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,880 I mean, if somebody needs to be detained, all right, 867 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,720 we've seen all that. 868 00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:18,600 But if something like that happens, 869 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,880 do they have those capabilities 870 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,520 or is it you kinda separate people 871 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,000 and then you call the police to come in 872 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,200 and then they take care of whatever further actions 873 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:29,840 need to be taken in that regard? 874 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,720 Is that my understanding of that? 875 00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:32,840 - I'll go ahead. 876 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,000 We have that today. 877 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,240 - Yeah. - Right. 878 00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:36,480 - Assistant principals and principals 879 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:37,320 break those things up 880 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,920 and if they need to call law enforcement, they do. 881 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,920 - In the elementary schools, 882 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,320 in the high schools and middle schools, 883 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,160 we have an officer there that can take care of it. 884 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,960 - But the principals and teachers 885 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,280 and everybody else break those things up 886 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,920 and if they need to call law enforcement, they do. 887 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:50,760 - Fair enough, yeah. 888 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,040 - Right, it's just that it's off-site 889 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,160 at the middle school and high school 890 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,200 and they would have to call the elementary school. 891 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,040 - Okay, gotcha. 892 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,200 - But it's no different in our day-to-day. 893 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,000 It does give us an extra person to be there, right? 894 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:02,840 - Thank you. 895 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:05,640 - Anything else on that? 896 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,960 Sure, y'all. 897 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,560 Okay, takes us item B. 898 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,960 Thank y'all very much, appreciate it. 899 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,520 ID 231732, receive report, hold discussion, 900 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:17,760 give staff direction, 901 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,440 regarding an update on the city 902 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,880 of Denton construction projects 903 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,320 that would impact Denton High School 904 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,120 and the surrounding areas. 905 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:30,960 - Just don't give him the phone. 906 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,540 (murmuring) 907 00:36:37,540 --> 00:36:45,160 - All right, good afternoon. 908 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,960 I'm Trevor Green, I'm the director of Capital Projects 909 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,520 and today I'm gonna be giving an update 910 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,920 on some of the construction projects that we have 911 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,080 that are in a vicinity and affecting the ISD. 912 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,820 (murmuring) 913 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,880 All right, so here we have a quick overview 914 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,920 of some of the projects that are directly affecting 915 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,360 the new Denton High School. 916 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,600 So I have them color coded here. 917 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,320 The project in the red is I grade phase six. 918 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,840 So of course, that goes from 380 all the way up to US 77 919 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,160 and also a portion of Ronnie Road right there. 920 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,040 In the blue, Ronnie Road East. 921 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,080 So that is a project where we're going to match 922 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:38,080 the existing project or existing street width 923 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,360 all the way from 77 to right in front 924 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,520 of the new elementary school site. 925 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,600 And then in purple is the West Gate Road project 926 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,920 that does affect West Gate, East West West Gate, 927 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,980 North South West Gate and then a portion of Windsor Drive. 928 00:37:53,980 --> 00:37:55,920 And I'll get into those a little more 929 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,360 in detail in the next slide. 930 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,280 So Bonnie grade phase six, like I said, 931 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,820 US 380 to US 77 project scope, 932 00:38:04,820 --> 00:38:07,360 roadway widening, pedestrian facilities, 933 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,120 utility installation, along with traffic signals 934 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,240 and lighting project schedule. 935 00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:15,020 So current phase, we're at 100% design. 936 00:38:15,020 --> 00:38:18,320 We're working through the final comments from TxDOT 937 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,880 to be able to get this project out to bid. 938 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,560 This project does have a large portion of TxDOT funding. 939 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:25,940 So we're having to work with them 940 00:38:25,940 --> 00:38:28,860 in order to get approval to bid this out. 941 00:38:28,860 --> 00:38:31,520 We're looking at construction starting tentatively 942 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,720 in quarter one of 2024, 943 00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:37,020 and then construction complete tentatively 944 00:38:37,020 --> 00:38:39,640 quarter three of 2026. 945 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,920 So DISD coordination, of course we have that ILA 946 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,280 for improvements to Rodney Road. 947 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,400 So that portion that runs from North Bonnie, 948 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,200 from Bonnie grade to just in front of the new site 949 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,680 for the elementary school. 950 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,860 And then that's going to be in coordination 951 00:38:53,860 --> 00:38:56,160 with the opening of the new elementary school. 952 00:38:59,540 --> 00:39:00,580 Rodney Road East. 953 00:39:00,580 --> 00:39:04,120 So this is west of Hardaway Road to US 77. 954 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,880 Project scope, very similar, roadway widening, 955 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,120 pedestrian facilities, utility relocations. 956 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,440 And this does have a parks trail component 957 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,680 that will connect North parks 958 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,600 to the new elementary school location. 959 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,440 So project schedule, the current phase, 960 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,800 we haven't started design yet on this one. 961 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,160 The design contract is actually going to council next week. 962 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,120 So we'll be getting started on that relatively soon. 963 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,000 Construction start, we're looking at Q1 of 2025, 964 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,760 and then a construction complete in Q4 of 2025. 965 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,480 And this does have that trail system 966 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,080 that's going to align with the new elementary school. 967 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:48,120 West Gate Road project, including Windsor Drive. 968 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,860 So this one's a really fun project, 969 00:39:50,860 --> 00:39:53,320 just because we get to talk about East West West Gate, 970 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,240 North South West Gate, and all the fun stuff 971 00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:58,360 that goes with it, but projects extent. 972 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,760 So Windsor Drive from West Gate Drive to I-35, 973 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,420 North South West Gate Drive 974 00:40:03,420 --> 00:40:05,760 from West Gate Drive to Windsor Drive, 975 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,900 and then our East West West Gate Drive 976 00:40:07,900 --> 00:40:10,320 from I-35 to Bronco Way. 977 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,400 Project scope, roadway widening, pedestrian facilities, 978 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,600 utility installation, 979 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,300 and then some drainage installation as well. 980 00:40:18,300 --> 00:40:21,840 Project schedule, so we are at 60% design 981 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,760 and looking to tentatively start construction 982 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,560 in quarter four of 2024. 983 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,040 Construction complete and tentatively 984 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,560 for quarter four of 2026. 985 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,620 So this will provide that connection to Bronco Way, 986 00:40:36,620 --> 00:40:38,680 and then once we are complete, 987 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,840 we'll work through renaming the existing East West West Gate 988 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,520 to Bronco Way the entire way. 989 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,760 So that'll be the end of the East West 990 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,780 North South conversations. 991 00:40:49,780 --> 00:40:53,240 So a couple of additional projects, 992 00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:56,520 these are in the vicinity of DISD, 993 00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,480 Barrel Gravity Sewer Lift Station Abandonment. 994 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,520 So this was, or is installation of about 4,500 feet 995 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,080 of sewer along the rear of North South West Gate. 996 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,920 And it's currently under construction, 997 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,640 has an estimated completion of quarter one of 2024. 998 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,960 This does have minimal impacts to DISD, 999 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,420 but is in the vicinity. 1000 00:41:19,420 --> 00:41:22,760 So Northwest Water Transmission Line 1001 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,160 is an installation of approximately two miles of waterline 1002 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,240 from our Northwest Elevated Storage Tank 1003 00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:31,120 to the Rodney Road Elevated Storage Tank. 1004 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,720 This one is also currently under construction, 1005 00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:35,840 and it has an estimated completion date 1006 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,880 of quarter three of 2024. 1007 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,000 This one does have a few impacts. 1008 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,480 We do have a road closure that's scheduled for Monday now 1009 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,440 that we're gonna work through. 1010 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,680 But once we get through that road closure, 1011 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,880 they, we should have minimal impacts moving forward. 1012 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,400 - Yeah, we got Randy. 1013 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:56,240 - We got Randy. 1014 00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:57,080 - We got Randy. 1015 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,860 - And with that, I'll stand for any questions. 1016 00:41:59,860 --> 00:42:03,440 - So, Trevor, I have a couple of things. 1017 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,360 So thank you for that. 1018 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,520 Or better said, for the school side of things, 1019 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,200 while I have you. 1020 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,640 Obviously, Rodney Road is important to me 1021 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,320 from a, just your other elementary schools 1022 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,280 in the city of Denton, I say this regularly, 1023 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,640 have neighborhoods around it by and large 1024 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,640 so they can absorb that traffic. 1025 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,560 The question is, how do y'all, 1026 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,960 what is your average kind of feel for how many cars, 1027 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,360 how many people for school, first day of school, 1028 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,760 that sort of thing, or major events at school? 1029 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,680 How many cars are we anticipating? 1030 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,080 Just, I wanna make sure I track that from our end 1031 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,760 to make sure we're building that in, 1032 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,600 we're accounting for those things. 1033 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,000 There's just, the margin for error in this area 1034 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,680 is just so small because there are no neighborhoods 1035 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:46,520 to absorb it. 1036 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,220 Obviously, North Lakes absorbs some of it, 1037 00:42:49,220 --> 00:42:51,600 but just kind of, what is that, first day, 1038 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,460 everyone brings their kid to school, 1039 00:42:53,460 --> 00:42:56,320 two parents, two cars, what does that look like? 1040 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:57,160 - It's hectic. 1041 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,720 - Yeah, honey, what's the number of it? 1042 00:42:58,720 --> 00:42:59,560 (audience laughs) 1043 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,840 I get a pro seat to it. 1044 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,680 - So, just to kind of, we try not to make, 1045 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:06,760 first of all, let me leave it at this. 1046 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,480 We try not to make our long-term decisions 1047 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,400 based on the first day of school or special events. 1048 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:11,240 - Sure. 1049 00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:14,180 - Because you've got less than 10 of those special events 1050 00:43:14,180 --> 00:43:15,480 first days of year, right? 1051 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,200 But if it's 650 kids, sometimes two cars a kid, 1052 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:21,880 if mom and dad want to bring their kindergartner 1053 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,880 and all that kind of thing, it's a large number, right? 1054 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:29,840 But I think when you see the way that we handle 1055 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,720 the traffic at Sam Houston, right? 1056 00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:35,060 When there's neighborhoods across the street and whatnot, 1057 00:43:35,060 --> 00:43:36,240 people walking back and forth. 1058 00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:38,760 There'll be people walking through North Lake 1059 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,480 to the new school as well. 1060 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:41,520 But the first couple of days, 1061 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,440 people like to take their kids to school. 1062 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,440 So, we just have to get through the first couple of days. 1063 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,000 Dr. O'Baron, do you know about how many car tags 1064 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,280 you gave out at Hawke? 1065 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,380 - I'm thinking probably 350. 1066 00:43:54,380 --> 00:43:57,200 - So, Hawke, which was a neighborhood school 1067 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,640 that had a lot of walkers, still had 350 cars 1068 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,120 in a residential neighborhood area, 1069 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,920 which doesn't have nearly the infrastructure 1070 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:08,340 and runways that the need of resources is. 1071 00:44:08,340 --> 00:44:10,680 - But it didn't have transportation either. 1072 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,680 We didn't have to provide much transportation 1073 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,440 because it was a neighborhood school. 1074 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,320 So, to your point of it not being embedded 1075 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,840 in the neighborhood, we will likely have more 1076 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,880 that would-- - Half a dozen buses or so. 1077 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:26,360 - Yeah, no, and I take your point that's valid, 1078 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:31,360 but to avoid kind of pacing on those kind of 1079 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,400 out of the norm days, but on this instance, 1080 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,360 you'll have somebody parking on Bonnie Bray Street, right? 1081 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,120 Like, that's tragic. 1082 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:42,360 But we experienced it with, we had people parking 1083 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:43,400 on Airport Road. 1084 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,080 I mean, firsthand, people will just throw it in park 1085 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,640 and hustle to where they need to be. 1086 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,640 And that's in that area, it can turn. 1087 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,040 - Part of it you have to think about is 1088 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,400 if we try to use university as our southern boundary 1089 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,760 to that school's piece, you're not gonna have anybody 1090 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,560 coming from South Bonnie Bray to North Bonnie Bray. 1091 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,540 If most everybody's coming from the west side of Westgate 1092 00:45:07,540 --> 00:45:09,280 or the new development just north of Denton High School 1093 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:10,640 about across the street from Bonnie Bray, 1094 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,960 you've got a east-west transportation loop. 1095 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,400 You've got the apartments and townhomes across the street. 1096 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,600 You keep going east on Riding Road, you get to 77. 1097 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,120 I don't think there's going to be as much loading 1098 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,400 off of Bonnie Bray as there will be online, 1099 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,120 which is the reason why we delayed the school 1100 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,600 for a little while longer to let all that work 1101 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:32,720 come in together. 1102 00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:36,160 We're building additional turns into the school site 1103 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,840 off of Bonnie Bray to allow for stacking on site. 1104 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,360 And then you've also got additional parking 1105 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:41,200 in North Lake Park. 1106 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:46,200 So one of the things that will be important to communicate 1107 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,640 when the school opens is in the event of large events, 1108 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:50,520 first day of school parking, 1109 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,100 here's where overflow parking is, here's how you get there. 1110 00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:55,320 So that's more administrative managerial stuff 1111 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,520 than it is anything else. 1112 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,920 I think the loads of the traffic 1113 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,680 and the traffic stays have been done 1114 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,400 are more than sufficient for what we have going on. 1115 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:07,240 - Excellent, thank you. 1116 00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:08,080 - Does that make sense? 1117 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,000 - Yeah, great point, I appreciate that. 1118 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,840 - Last thing I had, and this is just kind of to equip 1119 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,600 those at the school board, if those questions come up, 1120 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,600 we've already seen them some, 1121 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,800 the construction closure on Monday. 1122 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,720 So what is the answer as to why that wasn't planned 1123 00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:30,640 when school's not in summer, winter break, et cetera? 1124 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,800 - Sure, so one of the driving things for that 1125 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,840 is in order to do that road work, we're having to use, 1126 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,960 it's a bore, a jack and bore is the type of construction 1127 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,600 where we don't have to dig it up, 1128 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,400 we just dig some bore pits on either side 1129 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,880 and we kind of push the pipe through. 1130 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,600 And so that subcontractor is, 1131 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,320 it's a subcontractor for the contract, 1132 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,480 and so they're having to, we have to schedule those people. 1133 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,960 So we missed a window earlier, 1134 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,880 so in order to get them in here, 1135 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,640 if we didn't do it now or Monday, 1136 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,220 then we're months or weeks ahead of the time. 1137 00:47:01,220 --> 00:47:04,120 So it's really trying to find that right spot in there 1138 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,560 to where we can get the crew in here, get it knocked out 1139 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,080 in a short amount of time and then move on 1140 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,560 to the other construction. 1141 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,120 So it's really just trying that scheduling 1142 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:14,600 and those types of things. 1143 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,280 - And Mayor Trever and his team, 1144 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,040 they've done a super job of thinking through this 1145 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,120 a little bit, I mean, people might not think about this. 1146 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,960 We got five days of construction next week, 1147 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,440 we got a week off at Thanksgiving. 1148 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:25,520 We come back for three weeks 1149 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,200 and we got two weeks off at winter break. 1150 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:28,560 So three of the next six weeks 1151 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,000 where this work might be going on, 1152 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,080 there aren't kids in school, right? 1153 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,480 So it's not like we went October the 1st 1154 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:36,600 all the way through Thanksgiving, 1155 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,520 had eight weeks of every day. 1156 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,200 So you've got some time in there built in. 1157 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:41,480 So it was at least, 1158 00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,760 let's try to minimize the impact as best we can. 1159 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,480 And then we talked a little bit today about, 1160 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,120 you know, they'd like to kind of get started this week 1161 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:50,440 but we got rainy things coming up 1162 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,680 and then we wanna make sure we over communicate 1163 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,800 this is coming, right? 1164 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,120 'Cause people, we've kind of coached people 1165 00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:58,440 to come in that other way. 1166 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,480 And so we're gonna have to have some traffic mitigation 1167 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,040 at that intersection of Ronnie and Bonnie and Bray 1168 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,520 just to kind of help keep people moving. 1169 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,040 Because a lot of people come in out of that school 1170 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,600 and they go north of 377, north of 77 out. 1171 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,000 Or they come in from that side and they go. 1172 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,240 So it's gonna be a little bit of a learning curve. 1173 00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:20,440 It's gonna be like the first day of school Monday. 1174 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,440 So everybody, you're gonna be okay. 1175 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:23,600 - Yes. - We'll get there. 1176 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,200 - That's great, I appreciate that communication. 1177 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,040 That's really good, yeah, good to know. 1178 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,000 - Well, Trevor and his team's helped us tremendously 1179 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,440 talking through it and giving us pictures. 1180 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,200 And here's what's gonna look like and all that. 1181 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:37,040 But using the Thanksgiving break and the Christmas break, 1182 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,760 that helps, right? - Got it, good. 1183 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,440 - Nothing just won't rain during those weeks. 1184 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,480 I'm sure we'll see, okay. 1185 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:43,920 - Excellent, thank you. - Here's to us. 1186 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,080 - Any other questions, Mayor Fritzell? 1187 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:46,920 - Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 1188 00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,320 Mr. Mayor, I really appreciate you bringing that up 1189 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,240 'cause I've been feeling a lot of the same comments, Ed. 1190 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:55,320 And so I'll just co-sign on his questions. 1191 00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,280 And I'll encourage, if you and Trevor, 1192 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,680 if the school and Trevor have already worked out 1193 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,640 the traffic flow and the plan and the mitigation efforts, 1194 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,280 if you could get those out to the parents, 1195 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:10,280 especially, but the public in as advance as you can, 1196 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,560 and maybe get it to council and staff, 1197 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,680 so we can see staff, so we can spread the word as well. 1198 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,600 That would be, let us all help to mitigate 1199 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,640 some of the EOT that we know we need. 1200 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,840 - Yeah, yeah. - Sounds great. 1201 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,000 - Any other questions? 1202 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,280 - Okay, very good, thank you. 1203 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:32,240 - Let me off easy. 1204 00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:38,640 - Takes us to item C. 1205 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:43,080 ID 231734, receive report, hold discussion, 1206 00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,200 and give staff direction regarding an update 1207 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,520 on the City of Denton summer camp program. 1208 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:52,760 - Nice to meet you, Director of Parks and Recreation. 1209 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,320 This is Megan Thomas, she's our program area manager 1210 00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,200 for our Leisure Services team. 1211 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,520 Kind of continue the same theme of partnerships 1212 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,440 with DISD, we've been working a lot 1213 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,520 on a number of projects right now. 1214 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,280 We're working with LaGrone on some little deep bike racks 1215 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,200 that you can see around downtown. 1216 00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,120 The students are fabricating those for us right now. 1217 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,080 So that's just one kind of snippet 1218 00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:16,640 of what we've been working on 1219 00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,480 with administration and students. 1220 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,840 The other thing is our summer camps. 1221 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,360 We've had some real challenges with the growth of the city 1222 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,120 and the growth of our summer camps, 1223 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,720 and Megan's gonna give a little update on that program. 1224 00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:36,440 - So earlier this year, 1225 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,120 City of Denton and Denton ISD partnered 1226 00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,880 to expand our summer camp programs. 1227 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,160 And what this does is provide additional school sites 1228 00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,760 and transportation services for 10 weeks 1229 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,440 of the summer program. 1230 00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,480 So by adding three school sites, 1231 00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,360 we were actually able to increase our service area 1232 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,320 as well as our program capacities 1233 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,320 for children and families here in Denton. 1234 00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:14,320 Enrollment increased by 73% over the 2022 year, 1235 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,360 and it added additional amenities 1236 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,040 such as playgrounds and the gyms. 1237 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:23,040 So staff were able to provide transition times easier 1238 00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,640 between scheduled activities. 1239 00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,520 Another benefit of having these facilities 1240 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:33,520 is space to serve the summer food program. 1241 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,840 We were able to increase the meals served 1242 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,200 along with the attendance 1243 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:44,200 and then just to provide additional nutrition 1244 00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,320 to those children. 1245 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,480 One thing we did find out about the summer program 1246 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,200 is the summer food program is it cannot operate 1247 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:53,040 at the same time. 1248 00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,200 The Denton ISD food services program is operating. 1249 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,120 It was a minimal impact to us. 1250 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,680 I think it happened maybe a week or two later in the summer. 1251 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,280 And staff were able to address that pretty quickly. 1252 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,480 And it's just something we need to communicate 1253 00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:07,360 in the future. 1254 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:12,080 Transportation was phenomenal. 1255 00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,640 Staff were very appreciative of it. 1256 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,440 They addressed that the children, 1257 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,080 these children see these bus drivers throughout the year. 1258 00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:21,880 These are the same drivers that they get 1259 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:22,720 during the school year. 1260 00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:24,200 So they had familiar faces, 1261 00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,640 especially the first couple of weeks of camp 1262 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,440 when they are learning with the counselors 1263 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,720 and a little uncomfortable themselves. 1264 00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:34,800 And it also provided just that opportunity 1265 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,200 for the kids to build relationships with them. 1266 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,960 And staff felt that more than just a service, 1267 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,440 the transportation, the drivers 1268 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,280 were really an extension of our team. 1269 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:51,600 Here in the chart, you can see that the summer camp 1270 00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,240 expansion really improved our wait list numbers. 1271 00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:59,800 We were operating previously at a double 1272 00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,840 what we had enrolled on our wait list. 1273 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:07,840 It dropped down from 213 to 79 on a weekly average, 1274 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,720 which is huge. 1275 00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:12,560 Let's see. 1276 00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,720 But we also know Denton's still growing 1277 00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:18,520 and it's not slowing down. 1278 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:23,520 So that's why we would love to continue this partnership 1279 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,000 and continue to look at future opportunities 1280 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,480 for expansion to allow additional growth 1281 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,080 for our summer camp program and for our community. 1282 00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,160 - So what we figured is if there's 1,000 students a year, 1283 00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,240 850 that are in our summer camp age bracket, 1284 00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:41,680 there's a percentage of those students 1285 00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,440 that we're currently meeting or currently serving. 1286 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,440 So as the school district adds another 850 students 1287 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,680 in that age bracket, we need to grow at like four or 5% 1288 00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,760 just to maintain a base service level. 1289 00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,280 That's not actually growing, 1290 00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,040 that's just maintaining the pace. 1291 00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:00,720 So over the past few years, 1292 00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:02,080 we haven't maintained that pace 1293 00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:03,920 'cause we didn't have the facilities. 1294 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,680 It was through the partnership with DISD 1295 00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,240 we were able to service those families. 1296 00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:10,640 So we need to try to at least maintain that, 1297 00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,480 if not try to get ahead of it 1298 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,160 and actually grow the summer program. 1299 00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,440 So we're making sure that they have good quality 1300 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,360 summer activities that they can learn 1301 00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:23,360 to be social, engaged, inter-athletic and all that. 1302 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,680 So in fitness related activities. 1303 00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,560 So we can't do that without this partnership. 1304 00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,680 So we wanna continue working with the schools 1305 00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,240 so we can try to capture those opportunities 1306 00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:34,800 when the schools are shut down, 1307 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,120 not under construction or repairs, try to balance that 1308 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,920 and also strategically place those schools in areas 1309 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,840 where we're underserving the community as well. 1310 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:48,680 So that's all we have and we'll open up for any questions. 1311 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,200 - Okay, questions for staff? 1312 00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:55,120 - People are quiet today. 1313 00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:56,920 (laughing) 1314 00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:01,280 - I will ask, Gary, are we sharing or Megan, 1315 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,280 are we sharing information with didn't I say on parents 1316 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,800 not out those events, those sort of things? 1317 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,640 'Cause I think that would be good if, 1318 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,760 we may already be doing that, but just curious. 1319 00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,840 - Yes, I know our Recare group does reach out 1320 00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,120 and share that information. 1321 00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,200 They also, we are starting to put information 1322 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,720 in the peach jar flyers that go out to the elementary school. 1323 00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:24,480 So we do have something going out later this, 1324 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:29,120 at probably the end of this week to, 1325 00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:30,880 for the December programs. 1326 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,080 - Great, okay, thank you. 1327 00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:34,080 Any other questions? 1328 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:39,200 Okay, all right, thank you very much. 1329 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:40,040 Appreciate that. 1330 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,800 - That takes us to our last item. 1331 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:57,160 Item D, ID 231735 receive a report, hold discussion, 1332 00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,040 give staff direction regarding an update 1333 00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,880 on the installation of public art 1334 00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,680 on city of Denton traffic signal boxes. 1335 00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,920 - On that same theme that we've talked about 1336 00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,040 most of the morning and partnerships. 1337 00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,640 The past three or four years, we've been pretty aggressive 1338 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,280 in ramping up our art program. 1339 00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,800 So we've instituted a number of sculptures 1340 00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,080 around the park system, around the city. 1341 00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:21,720 And one thing that we've been working on 1342 00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:23,680 for the past couple years is trying to beautify 1343 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,520 our transportation boxes. 1344 00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,520 Every intersection has one. 1345 00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,080 They're functional, obviously. 1346 00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:33,480 But what can we do to make those a little bit more beautiful 1347 00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,720 and kind of almost hide them in plain sight in some aspects? 1348 00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:41,160 So we applied for a grant that Omar's gonna talk about 1349 00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,680 and try to continue to enhance our art 1350 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,000 and communication throughout the city. 1351 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,320 This one was focused downtown. 1352 00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:48,440 We're gonna be expanding that, 1353 00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:49,600 and I'll turn it over to Omar. 1354 00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:50,440 - Thank you. 1355 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:51,560 Good afternoon, everyone. 1356 00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,800 So this program began in 2022 with a grant 1357 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,760 from the Texas Commission on the Arts 1358 00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:02,160 that had a level of funding of $6,000, 1359 00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,800 which the city matched with another $6,000 1360 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,480 for a total of $12,000. 1361 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,800 So that gave us enough money to do 10 vinyl wraps 1362 00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,840 in our TCA-designated cultural district, 1363 00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,680 which is the original Denton District, 1364 00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,960 which accounts for the square, the area around it, 1365 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:22,080 and goes sort of all the way east to include Fredmore Park. 1366 00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,440 But so under the terms of the grant, 1367 00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,680 we had to apply that funding 1368 00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,920 in the original Denton District. 1369 00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:35,160 So what staff did was we reached out to faculty, 1370 00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,480 fine arts faculty at Denton ISD, 1371 00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,800 and got with them to encourage their students 1372 00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,240 to create pieces of art 1373 00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,240 and submit them to our Public Art Committee 1374 00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:46,640 for consideration. 1375 00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,280 And eventually Public Art Committee chose winners, 1376 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,280 and these are some of them that you're seeing here. 1377 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:54,520 Actually, these are all of them. 1378 00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:55,600 And these are the locations 1379 00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,840 around the original Denton District. 1380 00:57:57,840 --> 00:57:58,720 And if you look at the map, 1381 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:03,720 you see we have some areas that are not fully, 1382 00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,040 aren't filled in yet, 1383 00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,680 but are designated for upcoming vinyl wraps 1384 00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,040 from UNT students and TWU students, 1385 00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,720 and a couple will feature senior center art. 1386 00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,960 And I'll sort of show you those in a second. 1387 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,360 So just to go really quickly 1388 00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,960 through the offerings we got from the Denton ISD students, 1389 00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,520 we wanted to sort of showcase 1390 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,400 the two winning entries from each campus, 1391 00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,400 because they are just really, really works of art. 1392 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,920 And it sort of shows you the sort of level of talent 1393 00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,880 we were lucky enough to work with from Denton ISD. 1394 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:41,000 So these are the two winners from Braswell High School, 1395 00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,560 Nicole Velasquez and Ariel Hall. 1396 00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:45,920 These are the two winners from Denton High School, 1397 00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,640 Anne-Hen and Ella McGee. 1398 00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:53,600 The two from Geyer, Dylan Ricardella and Ireland Labasse. 1399 00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:57,100 From Le Grome, Luis Barbosa and Ethan Jimenez. 1400 00:58:57,100 --> 00:59:00,840 From Ryan, Andrea Hernandez and Janice Alvarez. 1401 00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:06,160 And finally, we wanted to sort of point to the staff 1402 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,520 at the various campuses at Denton ISD, 1403 00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:12,120 without whose help we couldn't have realized this program. 1404 00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,760 So these are the fine art faculty that we worked with. 1405 00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:20,200 But then moving forward, we have some forthcoming wraps 1406 00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,120 as you saw in the initial map. 1407 00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:27,120 The two images on the top are senior center art, 1408 00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:32,320 art from artists who worked through our senior center. 1409 00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,960 So those will be on Bell and Mingo and McKinney and Elm. 1410 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,520 And then on the bottom of the two that are blue 1411 00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:42,840 are by Casey Martin, who worked in our sustainability 1412 00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,560 department and is associated with UNT. 1413 00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:49,440 And she's providing one, the one on the bottom left 1414 00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,360 is actually, I don't know if you can see this image, 1415 00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,360 but it references the 2024 eclipse. 1416 00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,960 And then the other one is based on her mural 1417 00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,800 at the Pratt facility at the landfill. 1418 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,060 So it sort of has a sustainability theme 1419 01:00:04,060 --> 01:00:07,040 that includes art by Denton ISD students as well, 1420 01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,720 as you can see in the image, if you look closely. 1421 01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,440 These are the TW wraps that will be on the TW campus 1422 01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:13,440 forthcoming as well. 1423 01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:18,200 And then for the next year, we have about $12,000 1424 01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:22,040 to do perhaps about 10 more wraps. 1425 01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,520 But this funding is coming from our 1426 01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,000 Hotel Occupancy Tax Fund. 1427 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,720 So this allows us to sort of move beyond 1428 01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,080 the original dent industry, because we're not constrained 1429 01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,240 by the terms of the TCA grant. 1430 01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,800 So we're still sort of considering the theming 1431 01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,440 and location and what other community partners 1432 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:38,400 you might wanna work with. 1433 01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:39,960 But here are some of the intersections we're thinking 1434 01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,420 we might choose for these upcoming wraps. 1435 01:00:43,420 --> 01:00:47,400 All right, any questions? 1436 01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,240 - Okay, questions for Seth. 1437 01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:50,480 Councilman Carlin, Councilman Johnson. 1438 01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:51,720 - Thank you. 1439 01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:56,720 Is the material leaves resistant to vandalism, i.e. spray paint? 1440 01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,720 - Yes, we have an anti-graffiti coating on the vinyl. 1441 01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:04,400 And in fact, we had one of the boxes tagged recently 1442 01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,440 with spray paint, and parksmen and staff 1443 01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,400 were able to go there and remove the dirt. 1444 01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:09,240 - Very good, thank you. 1445 01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:10,560 - Thank you, Mayor. 1446 01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,000 - We can always replace that section too if we have to, 1447 01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,760 if it's damaged by anything. 1448 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,720 - Thank you. 1449 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:22,240 - As you look forward to consider other sources 1450 01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,280 for these new wraps going forth, 1451 01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:31,120 is there potentially a role for dead and working artists 1452 01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:36,640 and as well as graduates or participants 1453 01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,680 in the MFA programs at UNT and TWA? 1454 01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:40,520 - Yes, certainly. 1455 01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,080 I think we would love to work with working artists. 1456 01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:46,000 I think if we do that, we'd want to make sure 1457 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,540 that we're allocating a portion of the funds 1458 01:01:48,540 --> 01:01:51,240 to provide an honorarium or some sort of support 1459 01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:52,600 for their labor. 1460 01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,000 But we have had those conversations 1461 01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,520 and it would be great to give them so much talent 1462 01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:00,280 and then focus, showcase that and that would be great. 1463 01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,440 - We need some talent here. 1464 01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:03,260 - Yes. 1465 01:02:03,260 --> 01:02:07,400 - Okay, any other questions? 1466 01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:08,880 Councilor Watz. 1467 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,320 - I just want to say, I'm just blown away 1468 01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,840 by the talent of the DISD, just their submissions. 1469 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,640 I mean, good heavens, when you look at the pieces 1470 01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,100 and the messages they're sending, 1471 01:02:20,100 --> 01:02:21,480 it's not just about the art, 1472 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:22,920 it's about the message behind it. 1473 01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:27,920 It just is so great to see that kind of just talent 1474 01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:31,760 and awareness in our students. 1475 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,480 So I just wanted to do those kudos. 1476 01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,440 - Mayor Proctor. 1477 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,640 - So following up from what Councilor Watz just said, 1478 01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,280 we do, and Councilor Meltzer as well, 1479 01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:44,680 we do have a lot of artists. 1480 01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:47,640 What's the lifetime for a given rap, do we think? 1481 01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:48,680 - I think generally speaking, 1482 01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,280 these vinyl raps will last about five years. 1483 01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,800 - So are we anticipating them replacing that 1484 01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:55,960 with another piece of art in five years? 1485 01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,320 Is that generally the process? 1486 01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,600 - Yeah, I've seen some last more than five years. 1487 01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:03,800 In fact, some that I put up with a prior employer 1488 01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,200 are still up, and they've been up for over 10 years. 1489 01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,520 So it just really matters if they're shade, 1490 01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:12,560 direct sunlight, 24/7, it could impact that. 1491 01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:14,240 But our intention is to replace them, 1492 01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,680 whether it's with a new piece or with that same art. 1493 01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,040 - Thank you. 1494 01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:22,160 Any other questions? 1495 01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:29,520 Okay, then it's not directly in sync, 1496 01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,160 but this is the only time I have. 1497 01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,240 So congratulations to the Parks Department, 1498 01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,400 Tech Stop grant, almost $11 million, right? 1499 01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,960 Yeah, yeah, so we're doing great things there. 1500 01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,360 And so I appreciate the collaboration 1501 01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,840 with the school district and all you're doing, 1502 01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,800 and continually thinking creatively, 1503 01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,120 and kind of getting out in front of things. 1504 01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:51,720 They're really good about that, 1505 01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:55,160 and making sure we maximize every dollar we can, 1506 01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,720 especially as we move forward, 1507 01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:01,920 and I look forward to future conversations like this. 1508 01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,120 We'll talk about, obviously I know the ISD 1509 01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,640 and the city's already talking about Mormon 1510 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:07,560 and some of those things, 1511 01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,720 and look forward to these discussions are really helpful. 1512 01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,720 It just helps me understand all the things 1513 01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:14,520 that are happening in the background, 1514 01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:16,640 and I'm grateful for those discussions. 1515 01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:20,360 The citizens are getting benefit from those collaborative 1516 01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,720 efforts, so anything you wanna say? 1517 01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:27,280 I just wanna say when we travel throughout the state, 1518 01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,200 and other school districts here about the relationship 1519 01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:34,880 we have with our city, they are often amazed, 1520 01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:39,880 and a little envious, because they understand the value 1521 01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,760 as we do, and appreciate the value. 1522 01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,440 Consistency is everything in education, 1523 01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,640 and when you have a consistent policy with your city, 1524 01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:52,280 with your law enforcement, with your art, 1525 01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,720 it enhances the community completely. 1526 01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,760 So we really do appreciate this, 1527 01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,440 and your continued patience, 1528 01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:05,200 and the joint funding helps tremendously. 1529 01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:10,480 We're fighting for every dollar we can scrounge up, 1530 01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,920 since we're not getting a whole lot of state this year, 1531 01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:17,120 so again, we really appreciate this process. 1532 01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:18,640 - Okay. 1533 01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,840 The city manager, Dr. Wilson, anything? 1534 01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:25,760 - No, just a big appreciation to the partnership. 1535 01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:27,160 I was in a meeting just two weeks ago, 1536 01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,960 I led a conference with the Texas Association 1537 01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,760 of Suburban Mid-Sized Urban Schools, 1538 01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,080 and the number one question that the leaders 1539 01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:36,760 at those school districts have was, 1540 01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,200 how do you work relationships in your cities, 1541 01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,840 and municipalities when you're both going together? 1542 01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:43,840 You know, when you get into all those different pieces, 1543 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:45,960 and it's like we have this really good foundation, 1544 01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:50,240 because we know what's about to explode, West of I-35, 1545 01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:53,520 and we're all gonna have to put our creativity hats on 1546 01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:54,760 whenever that hits here, 1547 01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:56,800 and those things start coming to pass, 1548 01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,320 because if they're gonna continue to move to Denton County, 1549 01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:04,040 it's gonna be second fastest growing county in the country. 1550 01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,840 People aren't gonna bring roads, 1551 01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,560 they're not gonna bring water infrastructure, 1552 01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:13,000 and they're not gonna bring classrooms with them. 1553 01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:16,160 And we all have to be mindful that 1554 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:20,160 there aren't any of those things that are inexpensive. 1555 01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:21,600 And when they bring those, 1556 01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,840 while the new growth may pay for some of that, 1557 01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,520 it doesn't always pay for it in the beginning. 1558 01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:28,720 And we have to be mindful 1559 01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:31,360 that you have an amazing place for people to live, 1560 01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:34,520 and when those things start to explode, 1561 01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,320 and those three things aren't brought with them, 1562 01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:40,680 we have to continue to work together to make that happen. 1563 01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:44,200 It's significantly important. 1564 01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:47,720 Or you end up with some of those pop-up communities 1565 01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:48,960 like North of Houston right now 1566 01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,760 that they're having special call sessions to talk about. 1567 01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,320 It's extremely important. 1568 01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,760 - Excellent, okay, thank you. 1569 01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,360 Two things I did miss before we close out. 1570 01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,840 One thing, giving credit where credit's due 1571 01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:04,160 from your board leadership all the way down 1572 01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:05,840 to every teacher. 1573 01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:09,640 Man, I visited at least six or seven elementary schools, 1574 01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:11,920 a couple of high schools this year. 1575 01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:13,480 We've been on a tear. 1576 01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:17,720 But I tell ya, it is an amazing experience. 1577 01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:19,560 Man, it is fantastic. 1578 01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:22,120 The work they do, the skillset they bring, 1579 01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:26,040 the ability to educate, teach, kind of all those things. 1580 01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:27,600 I'm blown away every time. 1581 01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:29,920 So thank you for all y'all do. 1582 01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,520 Yeah, it is just impressive. 1583 01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:36,400 And then in closing, if you've not driven by 1584 01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,720 the old didn't high side, man, good night, man. 1585 01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,280 I don't know who came up with that plan. 1586 01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:41,120 It's pretty awesome. 1587 01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:42,480 It's pretty weird to see a playground 1588 01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,120 on my own high school footprint. 1589 01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:47,160 (audience laughing) 1590 01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,640 I don't remember marching by this in band practice. 1591 01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:50,880 But it has been. 1592 01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,200 It'll look like it's always intended to be there. 1593 01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,800 So whoever pulled that together 1594 01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:59,040 and kind of made the best use of that, I'm truly grateful. 1595 01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:00,960 - Jerome, just one quick thing about that. 1596 01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:05,840 I want to thank Joe Holland for planting a seed 1597 01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,280 when we were walking in the neighborhood one day, 1598 01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,520 that made a lot of sense. 1599 01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:12,240 And it's, you know, there's a lot of purple 1600 01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:13,920 in Fulton didn't high. 1601 01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:18,600 In Calhoun, former school colors were orange. 1602 01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,040 Well, now Calhoun's colors are purple. 1603 01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,400 So very efficient with the color change. 1604 01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:24,960 You don't have to change everything. 1605 01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,000 And they've changed from being the Cougars 1606 01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:28,320 to being the Colts. 1607 01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:32,400 So if you have horseshoes and Broncos, 1608 01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,120 they're now Colts, which are just smaller Broncos, right? 1609 01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:36,880 - Right, and Colts grow to be Broncos. 1610 01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:38,320 - Colts grow to be Broncos. 1611 01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:42,160 And so there's a little bit of a subtle change 1612 01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:43,520 into growing up purple and gold. 1613 01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:44,360 - Right, yeah. 1614 01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:46,240 - And it's pretty interesting. 1615 01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:47,560 We just had a little discussion about it. 1616 01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:49,920 We worked on it, and next thing you know, 1617 01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:51,360 you're not buying a bunch of different color paint 1618 01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:52,560 to color over what's there. 1619 01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:54,240 And you can put those resources elsewhere. 1620 01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:55,080 - Yeah. - It's good. 1621 01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:56,080 - Yeah, no. 1622 01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:58,760 I mean, to me it's important, again, not to belabor that point, 1623 01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:02,440 but man, your efficiency, 1624 01:09:02,440 --> 01:09:04,480 we've talked about TDI and some of the folks that use, 1625 01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:07,320 I mean, the tools you leverage to make sure 1626 01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:09,400 our taxpayer dollars are well spent, 1627 01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:13,360 well managed is noteworthy, and I appreciate that. 1628 01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:14,960 - Next Tuesday night, Energy Audit. 1629 01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:16,200 - Yeah. - All the solar things, 1630 01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:19,600 all the geothermal, that's next Thursday, 1631 01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:21,600 or next Tuesday night, next Tuesday night. 1632 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:22,920 - Okay, well, very good. 1633 01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:27,200 Well, at 1246, we'll conclude this joint meeting 1634 01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:29,120 on the City Council side, Dr. O'Neill. 1635 01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:32,080 - And I will return on the get nice site. 1636 01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:33,640 Thank you all for being here. 1637 01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:34,480 - Thank you.