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 Welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission meeting for Wednesday,

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 November 1, 2023.

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 This is our special called work session, and with the quorum present, I will call us to

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 order at 4.08 p.m.

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 I'll let the record show that Commissioner Villarreal is absent from today's meeting.

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 We've got one item on our work session today, and it is 1A, receive a report, hold a discussion,

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 give staff direction regarding the draft goals, objectives, implementation strategies for

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 the Northeast Denton Area Plan.

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 We've got a lot of material to cover.

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 Angie's going to open this meeting.

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 We are going to get through presentation.

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 There are breaks in the presentation where we can have questions answered, but we've

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 got to get through the information before we can get any kind of discussion started.

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 So I will let Angie take it away, and go from there.

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 Thank you.

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 Thank you, Chair.

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 Good evening, members of the Planning and Zoning Commission, Angie Mangler, Senior Planner

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 Development Services.

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 This is a special called meeting to discuss the draft goals, objectives, recommendations,

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 implementation strategies for the Northeast Denton Area Plan.

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 Just to give you a little bit of recap as to why we're here at the August 1, 2023 joint

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 work session with the Northeast Denton Area Plan Steering Committee.

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 The Planning and Zoning Commission and City Council direction was given to move forward

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 with scenario two, or what was called the Balancing Act at the time.

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 From there, draft goals and recommended implementation strategies have been prepared, and that's

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 what we're here to discuss this afternoon.

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 So your task today is to get through a hefty amount of material.

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 As the Chair stated, we have 21 recommended implementation strategies that we will be

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 discussing.

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 They fall into five broad categories.

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 Land development, infrastructure development, economic development, environmental preservation,

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 and historic preservation.

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 So in each of those five categories, you're going to find several recommended implementation

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 strategies that tie back to the goals of the Northeast Denton Area Plan.

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 Our consultant, Shai, will be presenting the material.

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 There will be a set of slides for land development, and at the end of that section, we'll take

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 a brief pause for any questions that came up regarding the land development scenarios,

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 recommended strategies that were proposed, and then we'll move on to the next, and we'll

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 do the same with infrastructure, and we'll make our way through the presentation gradually.

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 It is a lengthy presentation.

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 At the end, what we would like from you all is we have a matrix of each of the strategies

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 that is proposed.

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 Do you generally agree with the strategy?

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 Does the strategy need some modification?

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 And the objective of this meeting is at the end of the presentation, and after discussing

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 through all of the strategies, to receive some form of consensus on each of them, whether

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 that be agree that this is appropriate for the plan, agree that it's not appropriate

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 for the plan, or agree that it's okay to move forward, but you have some modifications for

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 it.

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 With that, I believe that's all I have.

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 Tina, did you want to add anything?

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 There it goes.

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 Tina Fargans, Deputy Director of Development Services and Planning Director.

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 Just wanted to add, I know that there may be some questions with respect to the scenario

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 two plan.

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 Our purpose here is not to rehash that this evening.

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 Council gave us direction on that scenario two plan, and so that's what we're moving

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 I would like for you to then focus your discussion, as Angie put it, on the strategies that will

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 be presented this evening.

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 Keep in mind, all of this work builds upon itself, based upon past direction that we've

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 received, and then eventually gets formulated and put into the final plan.

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 With that, I'll turn it over to the Chair.

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 If you have anything additional, otherwise we can start with our presentation.

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 I'm ready for it.

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 We'll turn it over to Shai, and we will start our presentation.

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 Thank you all.

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 Thank you, Angie.

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 Good afternoon, Chair, members of the Planning and Zoning Commission.

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 Thank you all so much for your time.

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 I know your time is very short, so I'm going to just start with our presentation.

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 So, again, reiterating what Angie said, today we are hoping to receive direction from you

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 all on the draft goals, objectives, and strategies for the plan, and also any advice you all

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 have for us on these draft goals and objectives and strategies.

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 In the end, like she said, we'd like to know which strategies you'd like to keep, remove,

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 So, today's agenda, we'll start with a quick little background, and then what the framework

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 is for these, talk about the goals, objectives, and then go through those recommended strategies,

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 and then have the direction and discussion at the end.

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 So, really quick on the background, when we started working on this plan, we received

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 a lot of the previous planning materials from staff and from the city, and what we did was

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 we looked at all those previous effort, planning efforts, we've reviewed the comprehensive

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 plan, we looked at the North Denton Neighborhood Association plan, and a lot of this comes

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 Our next step was to go through public engagement to make sure what out of those previous planning

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 efforts was valid, what still worked, what was still needed and wanted.

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 All the details about this public engagement are in another presentation on the website

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 for people who want to know what was the purpose behind each of these and what the results

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 of each of these were in detail around the website, so I won't go through all of this

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 again, but summary, we really talked to a lot of people, we talked to the residents,

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 we talked to the developers, we talked to the landowners, we even talked to people from

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 all over the city of each age group to make sure that they were all involved in the plan,

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 and what came out of this was, in short, there were many more that you can see in the presentation,

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 but in short, people wanted to preserve rural character, wanted to preserve open space,

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 did not want apartments, wanted a walkable outdoor recreation family place, they did

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 want to turn this into some kind of a showcase or a legacy area for the region also.

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 So that's the short summary we did go through, and I've highlighted the main points of the

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 vision statement so we don't go through the whole long thing, but as you can see, people

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 wanted rural housing, two to five acre lots, they wanted to look at the standards that

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 were outlined in the 2040 comp plan, conservation development to retain rural character, protect

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 open space was main point, another was make the space available for all of Denton to enjoy.

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 So going forward, August 1st, you all were there at the meeting, we were given the direction

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 to proceed with scenario two, the next two maps kind of recap what the scenario two land

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 use and zoning was, the main thing we wanted to point out is there was a gateway land use

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 description in scenario two, and it caused a little confusion because there's north side

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 the gateway had recommended multifamily, but the areas of gateway that were shown south

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 of hardly field did not have multifamily, so because it caused confusion, we divided

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 it into two and now we're calling it gateway north and gateway south.

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 So as you can see, we also have hashed the area that is not within the city limits and

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 It's in the county, the reason I just want to reiterate that there are proposed recommendations

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 in this area is so that if anybody in the future wants to annex into the city, the city

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 will know what zoning or what kind of standards to apply to that property and it will be clear

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 to the property owner what standards they can expect to have applied to the property.

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 As mentioned, can you all see the, yeah.

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 So these two are the gateway north, the pink at the south here and here are gateway south.

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 One quick thought here, the rural village center which at this point is shown in the

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 The purpose of this land use category is so that it can also be applied if needed within

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 the residential transition or between the residential and rural transition.

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 The purpose of this is to provide neighborhood type retail uses that people can walk to and

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 bike to and reduce the car trips.

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 This is the mobility plan that was being recommended.

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 We'll talk more in detail about how it differs from the others.

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 As you can see, there are some roadways recommended in the county area and the reason for that

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 The reason is that we can still do platting in the county and so when we do plat, we can

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 We don't have to build the roadways if there is no development but at least you'll have

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 the right of way in case development happens there, we can at least build the roadways

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 and that's the main purpose for it.

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 Going forward, the plan or the strategies are framed in five different categories.

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 Angie went through those so we'll start with the goals.

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 These goals are exactly the same taken from Denton 2040 comp plan and the North Denton

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 It is to have stage growth which is fiscally and environmentally sound and then conservation

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 development to retain rural character, protect open space and greenways.

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 So objectives, again, the ones, the highlighted yellow part tells you what text has been exactly

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 taken from the North Denton area plan.

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 As you can see, a lot of what they had was really good work.

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 We've just taken it, enhanced it, and added a way to make it implementable.

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 And so it's environmental preservation, health safety quality of life, rural character, preserving

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 historic assets, turning this area into a regional asset and then to foster economic

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 Looking at those two goals and these five objectives is how we'd like you to listen

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 So the first strategy is, of course, conservation development and to promote it for all future

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 developments in this area regardless of what the development is, where it is.

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 And you can see from these three ideas that the idea is higher the density, more open

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 The one thing to note is when we say that's open space, that is public open space in addition

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 to areas like the flood plain, areas that cannot be developed.

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 This is land that can be developed that we are saying if we give them more density, they

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 can actually give you the land that they would have otherwise developed to put in a conservation

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 easement or dedicated as open space, which is public open space.

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 So all these three scenarios, density is three units per acre.

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 It's just how it's laid out.

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 This we'll go through, hopefully you've all read the details of how, why we can come back

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 to it if you all have questions.

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 We'll move on to strategy two, that is retail commercial and three units per acre development

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 being closer to the major roadways on the sides as you can see.

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 And that way the lower density development towards the big green space conservation area

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 flood plain to preserve it.

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 And that is exactly following the plan and the idea that comes out of North Denton Neighborhood

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 And that's more about how to do it, why to do it.

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 This is kind of a hypothetical rendering, but the idea is to preserve that rural character,

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 create this little node so people can walk to and not have to drive all over for their

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 everyday needs to still feel like they're in a rural area, but not have to get in their

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 car for getting to basic retail or a restaurant or something.

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 Denton area so the development can add and enhance the rural character that is there.

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 The fifth strategy is development agreements, and as we've talked about it a lot before,

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 the majority of the study area is in the ETJ, really not much land user zoning control on

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 And if you have development agreements, this would be a way to protect this area, so it

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 would mean that the property owners would voluntarily enter into a development agreement

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 with the city, which would say that they can develop it as it is a little bit more, but

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 keep the land use as what it is.

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 But if in the future they sell it to a developer or they want to do a higher density development,

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 something different, it would voluntarily come into city limits, and then this plan

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 and all the other city regulations would apply.

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 So that would protect all the neighbors around, because then there would be some control on

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 what goes on to that property.

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 So that's the whole purpose of development agreement is people who are there, people

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 who want to keep it open, want to just live there, can stay as is, if at all they plan

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 to sell it, or in the future their heirs sell it, then the city would have some control,

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 and the people would have some security of knowing that there will be some control.

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 So those are the five land use strategies.

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 Is it done through deed restrictions?

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 Is it, and essentially the point of my question is how legally binding is that?

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 So they are done as development agreements, much like we've done development agreements

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 with some of the municipal utility districts, also we've done non-annexation agreements.

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 So they would be similar in that regard, where they're entered into, negotiated with the

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 And then there are, typically development agreements are approved by council, and then

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 we can have them filed a record, so that way they also show up any time a title search

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 But it's negotiated between the city and the property owner.

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 So filed with the title, so I mean this is the most likely scenario.

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 Original landowner, either in older age or in death, a state or inheritors are dealing

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 with the sale of that land, and they're trying to get rid of it.

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 They sell it to whoever a developer is looking to buy it, the developer should be doing their

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 research and pulling and checking title records.

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 If they don't, they just buy it anyway, so when they go pull title records to be able

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 to go through and start the development process, they would find that, correct?

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 And then we, the city, also would keep track of those, much like what we do right now with

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 We've got them mapped, and then we're able to, you know, as people come in and raise

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 we're able to also advise them that the property is subject to this agreement.

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 Question 1B.

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 Who solicits these?

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 I understand who maintains, but who's going in soliciting these development agreements?

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 Is it city staff that's going after the landowners over there?

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 Is it, we hope the neighborhood goes and talks to these owners and say, "Hey, you need to

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 voluntarily go to the city and ask about a development agreement and do that."

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 Who's soliciting these?

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 So typically it would be the property owner, the property owner coming in and having conversations

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 with city staff about, "Hey, we're interested in developing the property.

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 What's our longer term options associated with this?"

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 And we would engage in that conversation, you know, with, particularly with it being

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 property within the ETJ.

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 As Shy pointed out, we do have limited regulatory authority within the ETJ when it comes to

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 regulating land uses.

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 So it would be, if someone is interested in doing something with their property longer

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 term, then us engaging in that conversation with them.

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 How often is the landowner, I mean, this is, that's a step.

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 It's more than a step.

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 It's a mile before it comes to our viewpoint.

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 How often do landowners come in and talk to city staff before they even get into conversations

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 with the developer or get into conversations with what they want to do?

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 I mean, I understand a landowner as the developer who bought the land then comes in and talks,

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 but, you know, Joe Blow Rancher, who's got 300 acres, who comes in and talks that often

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 about that forehand?

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 You know, that's really difficult to quantify.

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 So it's, you know, I believe when we did the non annexation agreements and Scott and Hailey,

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 correct me if I'm wrong.

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 I believe the city initiated some of that with respect to the non annexation agreements

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 to particular to address the donut holes within our city limits.

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 So maybe we were a little proactive in that regard, but Scott, do you have anything else

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 to add?

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 Yeah, I would say over the past five years, we've probably had a half dozen people that

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 have approached the city to get into an agreement for a variety of reasons.

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 So it's infrequent, so had a conversation today, actually.

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 And infrequency doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't, it doesn't happen, right?

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 Infrequency just means that it wasn't necessarily a necessity earlier on or it wasn't on the

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 front of the line.

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 Correct, it's another tool in the toolbox for a property owner and/or staff to be able

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 to use.

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 And if it's put out there, if it's advertised, I know this is too early, but one thing that

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 I think I got a modification I have to come back to on that strategy.

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 So I don't know if I share it now or...

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 Nope, we're not there yet.

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 Got it.

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 I would just add, you know, one of the other things that's going to drive that conversation

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 with landowners and is the availability of infrastructure.

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 Because in many cases, water and sewer is not available, and so they're looking to how

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 do they get water and sewer extended, and it's not uncommon that development community

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 is also looking to the city to see if there's any financial resources to be able to contribute

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 towards that extension of utilities.

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 So that also helps in being able to solicit and having that conversation, much like with

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 some of the developments that we're having happen on our west side of town.

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 They've got an infrastructure cost associated with it, and so they're looking to us to see

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 if we might be willing to participate in that.

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 And so the lack of utilities in an area can help with initiating that conversation to

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 begin with.

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 And Commissioner, I can later on give you some case studies where we have recommended

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 this strategy specifically to protect open space and land in two cities in the Metroplex

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 and how that was done.

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 We plan to put that in the action steps.

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 For the sake of time, I don't think I'll necessarily need it if the other commissioners want to

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 hear it, but I think that if it's been used in the past, I'll trust the experts in the

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 historical side of things.

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 I think just maybe for me, it's coming down to a point of notification and awareness,

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 and so we'll come back to that in modifications.

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 So thanks.

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 Thank you.

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 Commissioner Cole.

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 Thank you, Chair.

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 Real quick, Tina, you know, we talked about ETJ1 being able to get brought into the city,

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 but can't the opposite now work, where ETJ1 can punch out and go the other way?

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 That is true.

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 Given the recent changes in the state statute earlier this year, that is true.

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 Property owners can petition to be removed from the ETJ.

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 That makes it even more difficult, because when they have removed themselves from the

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 ETJ, then our subdivision regulations even come into question being able to be applied.

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 Commissioner Prout.

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 Yeah, just a question on the, I guess, the overall land development strategies.

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 I'm trying to remember exactly, early on, there was some development of a projected

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 growth and therefore amount of homes that we expected in this area.

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 Would you expect the development pressure within this area to be influenced by the amount

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 of development that is allowed elsewhere in the city?

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 In this area, though, not elsewhere in the city.

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 So let me restate.

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 Would you expect the development pressure as far as how, yeah, within Northeast Denton

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 to be increased or decreased, depending on how much development is allowed in the rest

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 of the city?

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 How much supply is coming online in other areas?

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 It's difficult to say, but probably not, because development is locational.

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 And so, rest of the city, maybe their supply, but with outer looping here, development coming

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 from Aubrey, 380, 428, those are the factors that the developers really like and the market

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 likes for development.

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 And so, that's what's going to drive development here, is people are going to want to live

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 here, people are going to want to get around the metroplex from here, because this will

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 be the new area, this will be the fast connecting area, this is where the new things are going

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 to come because of all the development that's coming from south as well as the east towards

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 here.

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 And Shai, if I could add to that also, I think the size of the tracts of land that are available

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 for development are going to play into that as well, right?

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 Because some of the larger tracts of land are available more on the periphery areas

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 of the city compared to the interior.

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 So I know your email that you had sent to the staff in some past conversations that

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 we've had, I know you've been interested in trying to focus development more inward

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 into the city, providing increased densities within the city, but the land inside the loop,

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 if you will, at least, those are smaller tracts, those larger tracts have already been developed,

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 and so for developers who are interested in doing larger tract development, particularly

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 single family residential neighborhoods, hence why they look beyond the loop.

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 Okay, I understand all that, I'm surprised by the response.

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 I think what I'm hearing is that staff doesn't believe that will actually happen, that there

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 will be more development within the core of Denton in the next 20 years, and therefore

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 we have to plan for this amount of growth out there.

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 Because certainly, I mean, if in an imaginary situation, 50,000 homes were built in other

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 areas of Denton, I don't see how that doesn't affect the demand for additional homes in

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 Northeastern, I just don't understand.

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 And what we would do, though, is where there are tracts available, try to steer developers

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 towards that, there may not be as large tracts development that are more into the city.

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 The other thing is the city would have to have a conversation, and I know our comprehensive

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 plan addresses this to some extent, regarding if we are going to allow for densification

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 of development, where does that occur?

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 As you're well aware of, we're going on the downtown plan, if we're looking at trying

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 to attract higher density development to be able to support businesses that are within

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 the downtown area, then is it appropriate to increase the density?

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 It possibly is.

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 But we would have to look at other areas of the city to see where does it make sense to

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 be able to add those housing options, and what do those housing options look like?

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 Because the housing options that are offered more towards the interior of the city, especially

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 if they're greater density and development, are likely going to be different compared

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 to where you may see in other areas of the city, such as in Northeast Dunton.

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 And there's future strategies here to do what you are alluding to, so the city would have

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 to take certain actions to drive a lot of it towards there.

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 Completely understand that there's a whole bunch of stuff that's out of scope of the

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 Northeast area.

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 I'm just trying to understand what are the trade-offs and push-pull situations.

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 Thank you.

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 Anybody else at this break?

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 No?

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 Okay.

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 Go ahead.

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 So, infrastructure development strategies.

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 The first one is complete streets, context-sensitive street designs.

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 Complete streets just means all modes, not just the car, but walking, biking, maybe even

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 transit.

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 Street-sensitive usually has been used in an urban context, but this is a rural context,

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 so as you can see, all it means is what is the area wanting to be, and let's design our

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 roadways and cross-sections to be compatible with it.

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 Three-lane divided or undivided with curb and gutter is not going to give you the feel

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 of a rural area, whereas maybe travel lanes with bioswales in between trees, larger open

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 spaces next to the walking paths, those are the kind of things that will create that context

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 of a rural environment, so that's to maintain that character and then also to promote safety

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 in biking and walking in the area.

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 People have told us that that's what they would love to do in the area, and they're

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 already very upset about not being safe.

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 They remember being kids and riding their bikes, and so this is a strategy to help with

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 that.

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 Just a connected strategy to this is to amend the traditional cross-section, street cross-sections

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 that are all over Denton and frankly all over the Metroplex into creating that rural character

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 and context-sensitive area that is compatible with the feel and the vision that people have,

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 and that just means, again, adding bioswales.

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 You can see what the street looks like now, and then if you just, you've got the right

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 of way, if you just added bioswales instead of that curb and gutter and just flat land

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 and put trees, it'll give you the feeling of being nestled in this natural tree line,

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 things like that.

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 So that's your strategy seven is to amend that transportation manual.

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 And then strategy eight is to develop a network of trails to connect people and places in

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 the community to create safety, to provide opportunities for outdoor recreation, and

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 of course, healthy lifestyles and site impact is increased value for the nearby properties.

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 So we've all seen that the value of property next to these off-street trails is quite higher

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 than ones that are not close to it.

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 Again, you can see in every strategy we're putting what page of the North Denton Neighborhood

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 Association plan, these ideas were mentioned, and we're just talking about how you can actually

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 get it done.

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 And so strategy nine, we have to expand transit options both in the employment centers in

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 the southern portion, but also if we are trying to turn this into a legacy regional asset

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 or a legacy for the outdoor community, then you're going to have a lot of those weekend

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 visitors to the nature center or the mountain bike trail or any other open spaces that are

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 created in this area, at which time you're going to have cars inundating this area.

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 So having public transit and making sure that people do get to the area, but don't bring

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 the negative impact of coming to the area.

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 So that's the reason behind this strategy is to provide for that.

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 So strategy 10, this is where we'll talk a little bit about that plan.

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 This is to ensure that traffic does not negatively impact existing residential.

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 Whatever the future developments happen in the area, we want to take care of the development.

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 So one of the things, this is the on your left side is the existing thoroughfare plan.

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 Right side is what we're proposing.

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 So first thing is we've taken down the primary arterials and turned them into secondary arterials.

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 So we're taking down the classification for 28 has been moved from freeway classification

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 to the primary arterial classification.

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 And then you can see this east west roadway has just been stopped.

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 It's not continuing on and connecting.

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 We do have up here, we've added more streets.

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 The idea is not to go start building them.

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 The idea is depending on what the proposed outer loop alignment's going to be and then

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 when it is going to be built and then what type of developments coming in, that's when

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 you would want to build those.

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 Right now, same here, if this big tract here does develop, well then you're going to need

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 a connection here.

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 But we would recommend that you build this little network right next to say loop 288

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 and 428 because right now already there's a traffic issue right here and this is the

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 roadways that will help ease that traffic congestion there.

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 So down here in the employment area, industrial area, making these few connections is going

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 to make it a little easier for those trucks to move around and not idle around on the

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 roadways.

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 So that's the ten strategies, five strategies for infrastructure.

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 Commissioner Smith.

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 Thank you, Chair.

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 How does changing 428 from being a highway classification, a primary, I should say how,

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 does changing it and this change how TxDOT might view that road?

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 They're the ones that have given us that direction.

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 So shortly, you know, when we went through the mobility update in 2022 and adopted our

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 mobility plan, at that time we were advised that they were going to make it freeway status.

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 So we reflected that on our mobility plan and less than a year after having our mobility

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 plan adopted, they came back and informed us that they decided that that would be primary

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 arterial status.

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 So hence the primary arterial status on this plan recommendation to get that updated.

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 Is that a harbinger for how they feel that road should be improved in the future?

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 From our indications, it's yes, that's what they're anticipating, is that it would be

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 that primary arterial, which is typically that six lane divided roadway status.

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 And David is on our consultant team and on the transportation aspect and may have more

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 to add.

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 Before David answers, I'll just say I'll stop beating around the bush and just say what

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 it is.

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 If it's called a highway and it's exact same status it is today, two lane undivided and

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 it goes from being highway classification in TxDOT's mind and now on our mobility plan

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 to being primary arterial and still the exact same as it is today.

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 Is that making it less likely that they will come in with a capital improvement project

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 sooner to improve that roadway?

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 I guess we do need to classify, the classification is different here.

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 We've got the city of Denton classification and then you have the classification from

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 TxDOT.

457
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:06,800
 So TxDOT already identifies 428 as an arterial, not necessarily as a freeway or a other highway

458
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,280
 which would be kind of a higher magnitude.

459
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:16,320
 So that's one item and just to note, the TxDOT, at least Dallas district policy on FM roads

460
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:21,720
 has been more proactive where they are looking at any future improvements, they're looking

461
00:34:21,720 --> 00:34:26,360
 at how can we make sure that it is a six lane facility and not just a four lane facility

462
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,880
 so they're trying to maximize the amount of right of way footprint and that preclude future

463
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,040
 improvements in these areas and they're doing that for all the FM roads within the Collin

464
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,000
 County and Denton area as we speak now.

465
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,400
 But the fact that it's not, the fact that it's a two lane undivided road now, and they

466
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,800
 originally said it's highway, it's not a highway.

467
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,680
 If it's now a primary arterial in their mind, does that make it less likely that there would

468
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,520
 be addressing the expansion of 428 sooner?

469
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,200
 Does that make sense that if it's, hey we think that's a highway and the highway I'm

470
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,820
 guessing, I'm just going to make it up, is an eight lane divided road and right now it's

471
00:35:01,820 --> 00:35:08,240
 freeway sorry, and right now it's two lane undivided, therefore it's so far out of compliance

472
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:12,760
 for their mobility plan, we need to address that sooner, but now they reclassify it as

473
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:18,800
 being a primary arterial which is a three lane divided and it's right now it's two

474
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:23,280
 lane undivided because we changed it from being a freeway down to being primary arterial,

475
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,920
 they're deprioritizing the improvement of that road, does that make sense?

476
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:35,200
 I would say not necessarily, you know we work extensively with TechStop regarding roadways

477
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:47,480
 that are in need of attention and working with them on which areas are priorities for

478
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:48,480
 the community.

479
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:54,440
 So it's, I mean we meet with them regularly, they do seek our feedback, I mean we're working

480
00:35:54,440 --> 00:36:01,320
 with them extensively on the 380 direct connector, also we've been influential in working with

481
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,920
 them on what we believe our needs are as it relates to loop 288 and the need for frontage

482
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:15,160
 roads there, so the timing of the growth that happens within an area also influences the

483
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:21,480
 timing of highway improvements being completed or freeway improvements or even improvements

484
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,040
 probably to you know FM roads that TechStop has.

485
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:32,820
 So it's you know they're taken into consideration regional growth that happens and then also

486
00:36:32,820 --> 00:36:37,480
 funding sources that are available in another community that I worked in.

487
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:45,120
 The phase two widening of I-35 was escalated about 20 years because the voters of Texas

488
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:54,480
 approved additional funding in a previous election many years ago that accelerated funding

489
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,320
 being available and then because of the amount of traffic, the significance of the road within

490
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:05,440
 the area there were all these various different factors that went into them moving that expansion

491
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,760
 to the forefront and a road that we thought wasn't going to be touched until the year

492
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:15,360
 2030 all of a sudden is getting addressed in the year 2020.

493
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:20,680
 Yeah I think the bottom line is the classification isn't the only driving factor, correct?

494
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:25,800
 Yeah originally TechStop didn't have funding for 428 and to my knowledge they haven't

495
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,800
 added or changed any added funding to 428 when it got put down to an arterial.

496
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:31,800
 Okay thank you.

497
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:38,480
 And the only reason to have this in the plan is so that the property owners along the site

498
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:44,480
 know what to expect so the type of development they would have planned for if it was a freeway

499
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:49,640
 versus if it's an arterial then that gets different.

500
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,000
 Thank you.

501
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:57,160
 Anybody else on this round of strategies, questions or clarification?

502
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,160
 Commissioner Pruitt?

503
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,680
 Thank you Chair.

504
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:06,240
 First just in general on the infrastructure strategies I didn't see anything in here

505
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:13,520
 about some of the utility things that are sort of non-road infrastructure.

506
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:23,080
 Help me understand why that's not a big concern for this area.

507
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:30,200
 So it is and we've looked at well you cannot answer too but let me quickly answer we looked

508
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:38,680
 at it and we've looked at the city's five-year capital plan there are water sewer lines planned

509
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:45,320
 but they're way far off so if the idea is to preserve this area then you don't want

510
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,080
 to recommend water sewer being provided.

511
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:55,920
 The only reason this area has not exploded like Aubrey has is because there's no water

512
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:56,920
 sewer.

513
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,360
 So that's one of the reasons we did not go there.

514
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,520
 People are still driving so we had to talk about the roads.

515
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,000
 It wasn't shown on the typicals but typically the typical section allows for those utility

516
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:14,600
 corridors to run adjacent to those facilities so that would be incorporated as well in there.

517
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:20,040
 Sure from a right-of-way availability perspective I'm thinking more from a capital improvement

518
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:26,880
 perspective right near this area there's been a you know proposed project of an additional

519
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:33,160
 water treatment plant or sewage treatment plant sorry to mix my terms and I'm not a

520
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:44,560
 civil engineer here but the I guess I'm trying to understand I don't want to go into detail.

521
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:51,680
 It seems to me like the decisions that we make going forward for this area there may

522
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:59,460
 be certain step sizes of amount of intensity or homes in certain areas that would trigger

523
00:39:59,460 --> 00:40:05,560
 additional lift stations additional sewage treatment plants that would be helpful to

524
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:11,160
 understand just from a optimization perspective if that makes sense so I was I was just surprised

525
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,160
 to not see it.

526
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:19,120
 So the strategy here is to discourage development okay so if the city's not planning anything

527
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:24,720
 then people know that okay if you're going to develop oh sorry if you're going to develop

528
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:29,980
 then you're going to spend that kind of money to build that infrastructure or at least to

529
00:40:29,980 --> 00:40:39,480
 know that it's not planned so okay that was a typical strategy to prevent okay sorry and

530
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:46,160
 Eric if I can add to that also one of the things that our water wastewater utility team

531
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:52,960
 is doing is they are working on a water and wastewater master plan they work very closely

532
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:58,160
 with us to understand development conditions that are happening within the area and to

533
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:03,680
 be able to plan accordingly so you know we continue to work with them and advise them

534
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:10,140
 of you know here's what we're seeing happening within the ETJ where we can't control the

535
00:41:10,140 --> 00:41:15,440
 land use but this is what we're seeing happen within the areas of the city limits here the

536
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:21,960
 land uses that are being recommended or in this case you know strong preservation of

537
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:27,080
 environmental resources and preservation of land and so they're able to factor that into

538
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:32,280
 their assumptions and then they continue to monitor that over time as well okay and as

539
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:42,960
 you can see all the city land here is pretty close to the existing utilities and so we

540
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:50,000
 didn't want to actually provide reason for people to yeah so I think now that I'm parsing

541
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:58,720
 the words a little bit better the right way to message it correct me if I'm wrong is that

542
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:04,360
 we have things on our long-term plans but we have no funded projects to go out ourselves

543
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:11,440
 and build that infrastructure such that as development occurs in different areas we have

544
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:18,720
 a tool to require connection through a particular route and and size of pipe and that sort of

545
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:24,040
 thing but we we're not actively looking at going out and preemptively putting in that

546
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:34,760
 infrastructure so correct okay thank you and then quick question to staff the the transit

547
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:41,880
 thing seems a little bit out of place from a rural thing but then I see employment centers

548
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:49,160
 I understand there's an area you know south of the railroad tracks just north of 380 I

549
00:42:49,160 --> 00:43:02,480
 my question is does the staff feel that having that sorry terminology a strategy thank you

550
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:16,100
 within this plan is is beneficial rather than distractive from transit discussions that

551
00:43:16,100 --> 00:43:23,260
 might be more near term and and higher priority does that make sense I don't want to dilute

552
00:43:23,260 --> 00:43:30,840
 the amount of effort that we have to spend on improving transit citywide by adding stuff

553
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:37,440
 in places where it might not be needed for 20 years does that make sense I think so and

554
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,900
 I think I understand what you're getting at I guess and I know we had several discussions

555
00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:50,280
 internally about transit and hence why we were more inclined to think about the employment

556
00:43:50,280 --> 00:44:00,100
 centers more on the southern end and so you know if you feel that this is a strategy that

557
00:44:00,100 --> 00:44:05,000
 does not need to be included then would be looking for that direction at that time let's

558
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:13,040
 circle back to that discussion given direction yeah yeah I'm good thank you okay anybody

559
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:20,880
 else we got an or the next list of strategies at the moment okay so the next list is economic

560
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:26,920
 development strategies that are four of those we heard a lot about how Denton is unique

561
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:34,640
 and we wanted small businesses that were unique mom and pop kind of businesses in this area

562
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:40,680
 and also in Denton and if we are giving it wanting a rural character that's more in line

563
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:46,440
 with it so this strategy is to create economic development programs and incentives to promote

564
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:53,520
 that small business development in the city and and in the implementation action steps

565
00:44:53,520 --> 00:45:02,080
 we will put in how to do that in the different steps but that's why this strategy is here

566
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:07,080
 proactive approach instead of just sitting around and thinking people will open small

567
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:12,260
 business if we have a small business office and incentives it's more likely to get those

568
00:45:12,260 --> 00:45:20,800
 kind of businesses this is one of those strategies that we were talking about Commissioner Pruitt

569
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:28,360
 where you said how can we move development somewhere else instead of here so economic

570
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:34,720
 development policies to promote open space conservation and management in this area so

571
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:39,280
 we've got this whole transfer of development rights there are many other ways to do it

572
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:45,960
 like tax incentives for landowners to preserve taxes transfer of development rights land

573
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:52,440
 banking public acquisition but this one we're talking about transfer of development rights

574
00:45:52,440 --> 00:46:00,040
 here where you can designate selling areas and you can designate buying area so for example

575
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:10,520
 if this was to be your buying area well it's in the city limits it's got three any any

576
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:19,760
 like this one sorry is three units an acre is your buying area your selling area is can

577
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:29,040
 now sell that for example if everything for example we just say this whole area you can

578
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:34,000
 have three units an acre but we don't want a certain area to develop so we say you can

579
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:41,680
 sell your density to that property up there now they can do five units an acre but you

580
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:46,560
 then put your land in conservation easement so now they cannot develop that land so we're

581
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:52,800
 trying to see if first we start with land in the etj because that we have no control

582
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:58,720
 over so if that can get the selling area that will be good you could do the land around

583
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:07,040
 288 as the buying area and then this northeast ending could be the selling area so then you

584
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:13,520
 can give more density along the loop and then leave this area into a conservation so that's

585
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:19,440
 kind of the concept of transfer development rights this is just a concept we have not

586
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:25,360
 developed this this will need a lot more work to decide what's your base density where are

587
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:31,440
 those selling areas where are those buying areas do we want to do this within this area

588
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:38,040
 or you know some property maybe more you're going to have to look at property values you're

589
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:43,960
 gonna have to look at which property has access to infrastructure which does not all of those

590
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:49,240
 things will have to be taken into consideration when you create this program but this is one

591
00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:55,080
 program where you can put this as an example of the selling area you can keep this land

592
00:47:55,080 --> 00:48:02,520
 open if this area would buy that in lieu of say landscaping they don't have enough space

593
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:10,520
 to landscape they've they can buy that use the mic oh i'm sorry that's okay because we're

594
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:18,920
 streaming so oh sorry so that's the idea here is to give incentives to people to not develop

595
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:24,680
 their property mostly we do incentives to develop and this is a strategy to give incentives

596
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:30,520
 to people to not develop their property that way you're not taking their property by letting

597
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:37,720
 them not develop you're still letting them get use out of their property and then strategy 13 is

598
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:44,360
 the design standards so each if we can have economic development policies for each of these

599
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:52,280
 land use character areas that is specific to that character area what we want to see in that area

600
00:48:52,280 --> 00:49:00,120
 and then we can basically say here's an incentive in return for meeting all these design standards

601
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:07,720
 so as you all know texas legislation has taken away a lot of city's rights to do a lot of things

602
00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:15,640
 but you can always give incentives and encourage people to do a development that matches what

603
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:24,600
 you all want to see so that's the strategy here and then strategy 14 is right now especially after

604
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:31,960
 covid we've got a lot of nomadic workforce people can work from anywhere they're looking for open

605
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:39,080
 space and this is a specific demographic that is younger demographic that are very environmentally

606
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:48,760
 conscious they volunteer a lot and they like working and living in rural environments and so

607
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:57,160
 if we actually go looking for them create certain developments for them solicit that recruit those

608
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:03,240
 businesses and amenities that these people like you'll find that they'll be volunteering to take

609
00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:10,680
 care of the floodplain and cleaning things up and making sure that they're volunteering to keep the

610
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:16,760
 open space open and preserving the environment so that's the only reason for this is this area look

611
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:23,160
 like a perfect area to if if people are going to move into this area then let's recruit people who

612
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:31,000
 appreciate the area and that was it commissioner smith can i just get clarification on strategy 12

613
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:36,680
 if you can go back to the first second so i know it's not a fully fleshed out policy or standard

614
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,960
 within there but just so i can understand what you're trying to say within that

615
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:44,760
 i thought it was more of as i was read through this before the meeting i thought it was more of

616
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:51,480
 we're going to incentivize people to buy in the area something like a you know a tax improvement

617
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:56,680
 district or something like that and then we're going to de-incentivize the selling area from

618
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,840
 whatever development agreements things like that we've already talked about what you're saying is

619
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:06,600
 that if somebody exists in the buying area and they can't meet the landscape requirements that

620
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,200
 are laid out or density they want more density they want more density or something like that

621
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:16,600
 they have to go talk to a totally separate owner and buy the land and then put into a conservation

622
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:22,600
 easement so what they would do is they would buy the units so that's how you would define it you

623
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:29,960
 know certain units so they would buy a certain amount of units from that buying person and that

624
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:35,560
 much land that buying person would have to put into a conservation easement that they can no longer

625
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:39,560
 develop that land because they've sold the development but they are physically buying the

626
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:45,960
 land from a they're so it's more like it's more like our our park dedication fund piece things

627
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,880
 right where it's like you have to dedicate a certain amount of units some amount of acres per

628
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:58,520
 unit you're developing or in lieu give us money somewhat similar but it's different because it's

629
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:04,920
 dealing with the land use right so maybe another way to explain this would be is if i own a piece

630
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:10,840
 of property and let's say i can put a thousand units on it given its existing zoning or if it

631
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:15,880
 was out in the etj and i wanted to bring it in and the city's plan says residential you know this

632
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,840
 density recommendation but bottom line i've figured out i could put a thousand units on the property

633
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:27,800
 but i am open to conserving my property and putting a conservation easement on it because

634
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,560
 let's say i've got some cool feature on my property right that would be really neat to

635
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:37,560
 preserve but i know you tim you know neighbor down the street has a piece of property you're

636
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:42,360
 wanting to develop and you would love to have additional units you'd love to have my thousand

637
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:50,200
 units right then we would enter into an agreement i believe the city would be this is where i'm a

638
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:54,120
 little unknown on this the city would probably be involved because there would probably be some sort

639
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:58,440
 of development agreement especially if we're involving land in etj but there would be some

640
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:04,120
 sort of agreement in addition to any conservation easement put on my property but that would speak

641
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:09,960
 to you being able to receive my thousand units and being able to develop that on your property

642
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:17,080
 but then protections being put in place that my property continues to have that conservation

643
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:21,400
 easement and or whatever what other strategy might have been used to ensure that my property

644
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:27,160
 doesn't develop transfer of development rights in my experience is not something that has been

645
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:31,880
 necessarily readily used probably throughout texas most of my experiences predominantly in the north

646
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:38,840
 dallas area so i can't speak to some other areas of the state i know in other parts of the country

647
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:45,960
 this is a popular strategy that's used especially in much more urban densities shy might know some

648
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:52,840
 other examples but this this is a a tool that's out there it's just not something that is probably

649
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:57,800
 exercised regularly just because of the complexities but also needing to have finding

650
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:02,440
 those two property owners that want to have that relationship because the other thing is if i'm

651
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:06,840
 giving up some development rights on my property i'm probably looking to for you to pay me for those

652
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:13,000
 as well so there's that component that comes into play okay so i understand it more like how i know

653
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:18,280
 how um ev regulation is going in some states like california for example you have to sell a certain

654
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:23,320
 amount of units amount of you if you sell 100 units from a dealership in one month 50 of those

655
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:29,080
 units have to be electric vehicles have to be evs if you don't have evs as a dealer you can buy ev

656
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:33,400
 credits from another dealership so you can go buy those ev a lot of times they're buying it from

657
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,520
 tesla and that's how tesla makes a bunch of money so it sounds like it's very similar to that where

658
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:42,920
 it's like we have a commodity in the sense of units of conservation and i can buy and trade my

659
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:48,120
 units of conservation in exchange for units of density back and forth to be able to fall into

660
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:52,600
 regulations is that is that a good summation of understanding what that is i'm going to defer to

661
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:57,480
 shy on this one does that the only the only only concern i have on that or understanding is that

662
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:02,760
 how does that fall into zoning regulation you i won't use a thousand let's say there's 100 acres

663
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:07,880
 and the zoning on that land is five units per acre so technically you could do 500 units

664
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:14,440
 but i want to do this exchange right i actually want to do 700 units you've got 200 units you're

665
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:20,040
 willing to you know sell to me i buy it off of you in exchange for conservation units and cash

666
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:25,480
 and that kind of stuff right i'm now going to be developing or have the right to develop them at a

667
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:31,160
 seven unit per acre density even though my zoning is five units per acre i would anticipate that we

668
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:35,240
 would change the zoning also to be able to address that but i'm going to defer to shy because she's

669
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:40,760
 got more knowledge on this than i do so the way you would write the ordinance would be your base

670
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:48,840
 zoning is this many units and if you were to be able because you're in a buying area you can max

671
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:57,640
 buy up to these many units so you can go a low and a high and you say you can buy up to this much

672
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:05,000
 and in the selling part the because they're selling it then we they have to put it into a conservation

673
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:12,200
 easement that much area so we would define how much land equals how many units okay that's all

674
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:17,720
 questions i have thank you chair okay you're welcome anyone else okay

675
00:56:17,720 --> 00:56:26,920
 so those were our economic development strategies uh michael will you take on the environmental

676
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:33,960
 strategies thank you good evening commissioner chair

677
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:41,160
 so with environmental preservation strategies we have five specific strategies that we'll review

678
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:50,360
 get that up there there we go and we're going to start with strategy 15 which is adopt regulations

679
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:57,160
 that provide for appropriate vegetative riparian buffers along all major streams and tributaries

680
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:04,680
 this section is a nice illustration of what a healthy riparian corridor looks like where you have

681
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:13,960
 essentially a natural condition within the main channel and then that gradually transitions out

682
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:23,160
 to developed areas in between the creek and the development areas you're providing what we call

683
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:29,480
 green infrastructure nature-based infrastructure that mitigates any of the impacts of development

684
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:39,320
 adjacent to the creeks and so when we look at the northeast area most of the creeks have established

685
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:44,440
 flood plains that are mapped through fema but many of the tributaries have not been mapped as

686
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:50,840
 fema flood plain but those are also significant in terms of riparian corridors so this applies

687
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,440
 to all the tributaries not just the major streams

688
00:57:54,440 --> 00:58:09,960
 so linked to that is also tying it to prioritizing bike pedestrian and equestrian transportation

689
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:15,560
 corridors along and within the riparian buffers to create a connected greenway system so it kind

690
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:22,440
 of lumps in stacks the functionality of your riparian corridors where the riparian buffers

691
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:28,360
 are established now within the city of denton as environmentally sensitive areas it really just

692
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:36,040
 designates a 50 foot or 100 foot width away from the banks but it doesn't get into the details about

693
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:43,400
 what goes in that buffer so this strategy would be developing a more detailed structure you can

694
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:49,720
 think of it like a like a roadway section so what is in your riparian corridor section

695
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:56,120
 and that could include both paved and unpaved pedestrian trails equestrian trails but it would

696
00:58:56,120 --> 00:59:01,560
 be linked up with this nature-based infrastructure that would mitigate any impacts within that

697
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:06,680
 corridor so you can look at the trail as that's development so you want to mitigate the water

698
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:16,680
 that's coming off that new hardscape within the buffer this creates a large network of greenways

699
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:24,600
 throughout northeast denton and keep in mind that this wouldn't be your only trails depending on

700
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:30,440
 what development comes in you would want pedestrian connectivity into your major greenway system

701
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:35,480
 so obviously you would probably have one along clear creek which is the larger riparian corridor

702
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:41,880
 but you would also want that pedestrian connectivity along the roadways and within

703
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:46,280
 the public open spaces that connect you to the creek so you don't just have the hike and bike

704
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:52,360
 corridors in the floodplain and in the riparian corridors that expand and extends out into the

705
00:59:52,360 --> 01:00:01,880
 development so adding on to that and this is something that could exist within the riparian

706
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:09,640
 corridors but it would also exist in any proposed development and it's prioritizing what I call

707
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:14,840
 shared use and multi-benefit nature-based infrastructure that would include best

708
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:21,800
 management practices such as bioswales bioretention enhanced swells enhanced stormwater detention and

709
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:27,640
 retention and that could be located within the riparian buffers and it could also be located

710
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:32,760
 within open spaces if you have a development that is draining to that open space that isn't

711
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:38,440
 necessarily in a creek corridor you would have a shared open space that also provides the stormwater

712
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:45,320
 management infrastructure but it also allows you to begin to look at restorative practices to

713
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:51,800
 restore riparian vegetation increase canopy to start looking at and we'll talk about this in the

714
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:58,360
 next strategy restoring the tall grass prairie and protecting the tall grass prairie that that already

715
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:05,560
 exists so when you think about stormwater management I know many of you have seen

716
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:11,400
 developments that have like a detention pond that generally is going to be off to the back of a

717
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:17,720
 property those don't provide a lot of stacked functionality it serves the purpose of managing

718
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:22,840
 the flood volumes it serves some purposes of treating the water quality of the development

719
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:28,680
 runoff but it's not necessarily somewhere that you want to go recreate around so this strategy

720
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:34,600
 would help the city develop a very detailed

721
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:42,120
 section of when you're looking at these stormwater management facilities and prioritizing making

722
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:47,000
 sure that they provide multiple benefits and they're not just there to manage stormwater

723
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:57,800
 and shy I think you wanted to talk a little bit about this yes so you can see on the right hand

724
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:07,400
 side is a example of tall grass prairie restoration this is a development in next to denver colorado

725
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:13,880
 it's called central park neighborhood and I toured it recently just last month actually

726
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:20,440
 and this was something I looked at and I thought this is amazing as a development because what they

727
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:28,840
 did was it was twofold it's full of parks it's this is what every house sees from their front

728
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:36,440
 door every house in that neighborhood sees this main central park area which is a restored prairie

729
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:43,240
 tall grass prairie development they do have other parks in the area but this is how they have

730
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:52,920
 been able to develop housing development with this and the fact was because the developer

731
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:59,000
 got to be a got to develop the density of and it's all single-family homes in that neighborhood

732
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:05,240
 but they're not five acres so they're small next to each other but because he got that they were

733
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:11,480
 able to spend the money in developing this park system and making sure that that feel of the

734
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:19,240
 rural environment where every door looks out into this as well as they maintain they built it and

735
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:25,240
 gave it to the city the main park but then eight other parks they maintain the development does

736
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:32,040
 and this is the part that Michael was talking about was that multiple function

737
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:42,440
 all their parks have stormwater detention retention elements in it but they are

738
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:48,840
 recreation elements they don't look like just developing the water so i just wanted to say

739
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:53,160
 anybody who has a chance please go take a look at that central park neighborhood

740
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:57,480
 and how it's been developed i think brookfield developers did that one

741
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:07,640
 i think shy and both the tall grass prairie areas there are existing areas where it's

742
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:13,880
 fairly healthy within northeastern area and there are areas where it's remnant tall grass prairie

743
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:21,480
 and it's been impacted by agricultural processes over over time so you have opportunities to be

744
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:26,680
 restorative throughout the area and that would be tied to developer agreements exchange of development

745
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:32,440
 rights and all that but it would be dictated by the city for example let's say you had a property

746
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:40,360
 that had two acres of remnant tall grass prairie as identified in the esa's you could have requirements

747
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:46,760
 for that development to either preserve that existing tall grass prairie or restore it the

748
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:53,320
 idea is we're trying to increase the amount of tall grass prairie and then bundle it into shared

749
01:04:53,320 --> 01:05:04,920
 public open spaces the final strategy is related to the many existing stock ponds

750
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:14,200
 throughout the area stock ponds were initially constructed to provide irrigation water water

751
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:21,560
 for livestock etc but also to manage sediment flowing downstream getting into the river

752
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,320
 getting into lake louisville etc

753
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:34,840
 they're not designed to mitigate impacts of development so they would require updates

754
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:44,520
 a good example to look at locally would be looking at the nrcs lakes in the city of mckinney

755
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:51,000
 they created requirements for development to upgrade those to provide more benefits

756
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:53,160
 and enhance water quality

757
01:05:53,160 --> 01:06:07,720
 open up for questions commissioner brett thank you chair several of these strategies as well

758
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:12,600
 as the transfer development rights and that sort of thing to my mind presupposes that

759
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:23,560
 we have some method or rubric system point system to identify what areas specifically are high

760
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:29,000
 priority targets and which areas are not is that something that you see

761
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:35,400
 wrapped into the final plan and it would be incorporated within the given strategies or

762
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:40,360
 is that something that that we need to have more focus on the strategy really directs for further

763
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:46,120
 evaluation of all the natural systems so it would be like a stormwater master plan where

764
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,640
 you look at all the creeks and the pipes and everything and you determine where do we have

765
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:54,760
 issues where do we have flooding all that kind of thing this would be more it would be expanding

766
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:59,640
 on the esa is that you you currently have and it's taking a more detailed look so you could look at

767
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:05,400
 an area and you could say it let's say clear creek and there's you know erosion is natural

768
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:10,280
 erosion is happening there in their areas where there are trees that are probably at risk so you

769
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:16,040
 could evaluate that stream system on that property and determine you know what is the erosion

770
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:21,400
 potential of it erosion hazard potential many cities across the metroplex have done this

771
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:28,120
 fort worth for example they studied all their creeks citywide to determine what creeks are at

772
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:36,360
 risk for erosion so going beyond just the flood portion of it so it's really getting a detailed

773
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:42,760
 understanding of the health of all the systems within the northeast area okay and then prioritizing

774
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:48,680
 those so you envision that would be part of the implementation phase of yeah a plan like this

775
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:56,440
 yeah okay yeah and then secondly uh early this summer i think it was tim will hit me and remind

776
01:07:56,440 --> 01:08:03,160
 me um i think there was a supreme court case about wetland areas that are not wet all the time

777
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:14,040
 and you can fill in the actual terms given that um do do we still have sufficient

778
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:23,160
 protective capability on those smaller tributaries uh within this area so that you referred to the

779
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:28,680
 waters of the u.s rule yes and that's something that's been in flux for the better part of a

780
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:34,840
 decade if not longer um and there's still going to be back and forth about what constitutes a

781
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:41,880
 high quality wetland is it connected to the main creek system is it not that probably isn't going

782
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:45,880
 to change at the federal level for quite some time it's going to be in the courts most likely

783
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:53,000
 already is actually but as part of the city of dentons development ordinance

784
01:08:54,200 --> 01:09:01,000
 the stormwater management plan for the city and stormwater regulations those could be you know

785
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:05,880
 protected if they're identified you have to identify them first but then that would roll

786
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:12,040
 into you know if you have what's considered let's say a medium quality wetland on your property

787
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:16,440
 that you could potentially with the letter of the law the waters of the u.s you could

788
01:09:16,440 --> 01:09:23,080
 potentially fill that in as a developer the city could provide some incentives to protect that

789
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:27,000
 and also require it as part of the development agreement okay thank you

790
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:36,200
 commissioner colt thank you chair uh michael right yes okay great um could you go back to the

791
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:47,880
 riparian buffer diagram please sir sorry i have a lot of slides to go through sorry about that

792
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:55,000
 there we go that's better much easier

793
01:09:55,000 --> 01:10:04,520
 that one oh perfect thank you okay so it's clear creek that's clear creek

794
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:14,280
 so it looks like we have 1575 95 feet of buffer on each side of the creek correct

795
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:22,200
 that and this is free yeah but you can develop up to 90 feet away from that creek due to this diagram

796
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:27,800
 correct it's it's going to be based on one it's going to be based on floodplain first floodplain

797
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:33,640
 and floodway so in some cases the riparian buffer may extend out beyond what the floodplain is

798
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:41,480
 in most cases it's probably going to be within the floodplain okay and the idea is that you know

799
01:10:41,480 --> 01:10:47,800
 that's providing you sufficient space we see the cowl on the right side there um just imagine that

800
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:53,240
 being a development that you've got an adequate buffer between that development and the creek

801
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:58,840
 system where you could also include your hike and bike trails or other public open spaces that are

802
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:05,640
 activated um another way to look at buffers is that there's absolutely no build allowed at all

803
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:13,000
 but that doesn't really provide any of the the opportunities to restore what may have already

804
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:20,600
 been impacted in the buffer i mean we all have our different hot buttons on this on these very this

805
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:29,080
 whole thing this is mine because i've spent a lot of time in clear creek fishing hunting camping

806
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:36,680
 and i can tell you it is an i-35 for wildlife okay yep and 90 feet

807
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:48,040
 that's not enough i i can promise you that and i i think that's part of that further evaluation

808
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:55,320
 of all the creek systems uh from from a kind of a detailed detailed hydraulic and hydrologic

809
01:11:55,320 --> 01:12:02,520
 perspective which was not part of this um the 100 foot buffer and the 50 foot buffer

810
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:09,400
 that's what's been established as the esas right now so that certainly could be further evaluated

811
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:16,680
 i i with clear creek the floodplain is so wide and there's a lot of opportunities to bring back

812
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:22,680
 riparian vegetation within that floodplain so you you could end up having a larger buffer

813
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:27,800
 yeah i'm mostly worried about the impact of wildlife because there's such diverse wildlife

814
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:34,360
 down there i mean you know what's going to happen with otters you know if they're only

815
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:42,120
 it's just in in my mind it's not a big enough corridor for wildlife at all not even close

816
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:50,280
 and that's my concern um well i assume that picture is an example right that's an example

817
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:55,560
 it's not anything that's part of a plan or anything at this point yeah okay thank you all

818
01:12:55,560 --> 01:13:00,760
 appreciate it and further clarification the current esa is that 100 foot and the 50 foot

819
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:07,480
 that's based on the amount of area draining to that particular point in the creek so as you get to

820
01:13:07,480 --> 01:13:12,280
 larger drainage area you're obviously going to have wider floodplains so that buffer becomes

821
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:19,080
 larger uh and again right now that buffer is just essentially a no touch uh so this strategy that

822
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:25,160
 we talked about would kind of advance that a little bit and get a little more uh opportunity

823
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:30,760
 out of the buffer so you get the water quality benefits you maintaining that habitat connectivity

824
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:32,920
 i think is going to be super important as well

825
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:53,240
 anybody else okay thank you so we have two more strategies um we've got two historic

826
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:59,400
 preservation strategies the first is to conduct a historic resource survey and seek the historic

827
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:07,000
 designation of vital historic assets in the area so we heard from the people that there are a lot

828
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:16,040
 of historic assets here culturally historic assets but whatever it is right now there is no

829
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:22,680
 designation i will put in a plug for this uh strategy for the staff is you only have one

830
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:29,080
 historic preservation officer in this city and to do something like this and to have a historic

831
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:38,120
 designation program and manage your assets you will need more staff cameron cannot do this alone so

832
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:46,520
 just putting it out there for the budget time second strategy is to seek cultural landscape status

833
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:56,600
 for heartley airfield this is a different kind of designation heartley airfield seems to be

834
01:14:56,600 --> 01:15:01,640
 uh really very well loved in the area thought of it's got historic

835
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:12,760
 even if it's not a building but it's got historic aspects to it that the people in the community

836
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:20,120
 really love and so the one way to preserve this would be to seek that cultural landscape status

837
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:27,640
 if you do there is some you can also get grants for it so one thing to keep in mind is that heartley

838
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:34,520
 field is on private property owned by private individuals so those funds might be used to

839
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:41,080
 incentivize to for them to seek this cultural landscape status but you would have to have the

840
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:48,840
 property owners consent to do anything on their property and so but that's something we should

841
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:55,640
 look for similar to you know do we want to go after development agreements in the etj so someone

842
01:15:55,640 --> 01:16:04,440
 has to take uh take that step who would be the person or the entity to do it similar to that

843
01:16:04,440 --> 01:16:10,200
 some entity has to take on negotiating with the property owner or giving them some incentives to

844
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:17,160
 go seek this cultural landscape status but that's one way to preserve this historic asset in the area

845
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:27,960
 so with that any other questions questions are on those last two strategies

846
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,440
 okay

847
01:16:30,440 --> 01:16:43,560
 so direction and discussion um we are hoping to get some and i'll just make it this way

848
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:56,840
 so i can do it in real time you put sorry commissioner smith thank you uh you put that

849
01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:01,320
 in like that's that's that's strategy one strategy two strategy you put them in order

850
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:05,000
 yes okay that's just i was about to say you're making this hard i mean i gotta go back and look

851
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:08,520
 at all the names of the strategies rather than just saying strategy one strategy two strategy three

852
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:19,880
 i uh the only i think the easier uh i don't chair i don't know how you want to do this i've got just

853
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:24,040
 like random stuff like strategy five okay let's not let's not do that that would be way too

854
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:31,000
 confusing so i assume you've got these in order yes yeah so i think what we need to do is go

855
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:36,120
 through them in order and we can get everybody's feedback if you have it if you don't have it that's

856
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:41,080
 fine too um and then we'll go from there if you can keep your notes in order that way does that work

857
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:47,640
 i guess like no comment does it keep well yeah or you can say keep yeah does that work shai does

858
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:57,240
 that work for you yes okay okay so strategy one is uh conservation development patterns uh to

859
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:01,720
 promote that for all future residential developments in the northeastern area

860
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:10,920
 commissioner puett thank you chair um so i think this is crucial um you know our our purview based

861
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:23,960
 on um staff's direction that you know council gave direction for for this basically amount of

862
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:31,080
 homes up here right the the biggest change to me is that we've got about a thousand acres

863
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:37,720
 that's re-identified as uh transition residential so that's about four thousand or sorry three

864
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:44,840
 thousand homes um and and so the the question then is how do you develop those in a manner that

865
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:51,800
 that achieves the other goals of this plan that are are very laudable um

866
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:59,480
 i'm very concerned about the 30 number that it was in the slide maybe it got taken out in a

867
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:06,600
 in an amendment i'm i didn't catch it as we were reading um i think that's far too low uh you know

868
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:12,680
 as as we saw pictures of the example um development colorado i guarantee you they

869
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:19,960
 were not at 30 percent they had to be probably 60 70 80 percent in order to get all the homes

870
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:30,040
 fronting a place like that um so so my direction is to modify this up way up and the only

871
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:38,120
 thing reason we started at 30 was to keep the density lower so the more you so base densities

872
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:44,520
 three units per acre right so the more you want open space the higher you have to give the density

873
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:51,800
 absolutely that's a trade-off i'll just say that all of all of the um examples of pds that we've

874
01:19:51,800 --> 01:20:00,760
 seen come in that used the provision in our code to do this have used it to basically preserve areas

875
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:05,720
 that were already floodplain which i i understand that's that would be tweaked here so that it didn't

876
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:13,800
 apply um and and lot sizes went from 6000 square feet to 5600 square feet and it was still basically

877
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:19,000
 a subdivision and i don't think that's what anybody wants up there so i think that the

878
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:22,600
 percentage needs to be considerably higher than 30 in order to achieve something that's

879
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:31,320
 functionally unique so let me ask you this then but are you in agreement though with the strategy

880
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:38,680
 we just need to look at refining the the amount of land set aside for preservation yeah and i just

881
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:47,160
 think finding the right target and maybe a minimum is crucial to making sure that the implementation

882
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:57,080
 is as the pretty pictures will portend and we can also require not to have it like a typical

883
01:20:57,080 --> 01:21:02,920
 subdivision we can put some design criteria in addition for that higher density

884
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:11,720
 okay anyone else on strategy one

885
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:17,400
 are we good to ask for that modification

886
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:20,920
 okay let's move on

887
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:31,320
 so second was to scale from higher density towards the freeways and

888
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:34,920
 going towards lower density to the center of the area

889
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:48,280
 yep uh third was to allow promote neighborhood level commercial development at specific

890
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:55,880
 nodes that um and to allow that within residential transition or as a transition between rural

891
01:21:55,880 --> 01:22:04,840
 residential and okay yeah i think my only comment here as it relates to strategy three it also

892
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:14,120
 relates to um strategy 13 um the whole gateway north thing to me is i have a big question mark

893
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:19,640
 with that we have no idea what that looks like we don't even have an inner loop let alone to

894
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:27,640
 an outer loop i mean so designating that as this north gateway with this commercial i'm really

895
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:35,160
 just very apprehensive to do that at this point i just think it is an unknown and i know that

896
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:42,040
 this plan is going to need to be looked at again i mean if it does get done and it does

897
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:45,800
 get implemented i mean five years from now we're going to have to look at it again

898
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:53,240
 because things will have happened and we will need to tweak things and to me to to designate

899
01:22:53,240 --> 01:23:03,480
 that north part as as it is presented um i just i would leave that honestly as a as a big question

900
01:23:03,480 --> 01:23:13,320
 mark would you be okay if we said if outer loop at this level oh tina's gonna answer that well

901
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:18,040
 i was just saying i mean to that point you're right um this is something that we're gonna have

902
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:22,600
 to monitor and update with the comprehensive plan so you know we're we're trying to

903
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:28,040
 plan for growth and development based upon the known factors that we have today we're working

904
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:34,040
 diligently with textile on the outer loop um you know it may be 20 years out when that thing is

905
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:39,000
 built but we know we're planning for it and so we're trying to be smart in our land planning

906
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:44,440
 if that project for whatever reason goes away then we would be revisiting the land use designations

907
01:23:44,440 --> 01:23:49,000
 that are out in this area so you know just shy's point into your point this will be something that

908
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:54,200
 we'll have to monitor and we'll have to update our comprehensive plan every five to ten years to make

909
01:23:54,200 --> 01:24:00,280
 sure everything within the plan is still relevant true but that's why i don't want to designate it

910
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:06,760
 now the way it is in this plan because it's going to be way harder to go backwards so if we if we

911
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:11,800
 say hey this northern area we've got it we've got this section set up for this commercial development

912
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:16,680
 whether the outer loop happens or i don't know if it's going to happen but i know that if it's

913
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:22,360
 designated on this plan this plan is going to keep getting referred to just like our comprehensive

914
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:27,640
 plan gets referred to and it's going to say well this area they all looked at this back in 2023

915
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:33,320
 and they said this area is supposed to be commercial so it's just harder to go backwards

916
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:37,160
 and suddenly say well it shouldn't be developed as commercial it should be

917
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:46,520
 conserved so that's why i think it needs to be left out honestly because you know and not i

918
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:51,480
 understand what you're saying but it's it's it's the area that we're dealing with right now

919
01:24:51,480 --> 01:24:59,080
 and and yes planning is is is a great idea and if we were inside the loop and and we had this

920
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:05,000
 piece that was undeveloped we know that's coming it's such a question mark up there and it's it

921
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:10,440
 i i don't even know how many of us will be on this planet when that actually happens

922
01:25:10,440 --> 01:25:15,320
 i mean we can't again we can't even get the loop finished and i lived here for 30 years

923
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:22,600
 well and keep in mind so this is on the scenario two plan that council gave us direction to move

924
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:30,840
 forward with so the the land use designation has our we've already been given that direction so

925
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:37,400
 then we're looking at okay do these strategies make sense for implementing the plan so like this

926
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:43,480
 strategy number three if you recall was back more towards the discussion on the rural village concept

927
01:25:43,480 --> 01:25:49,880
 and being able to apply that also within residential transition area in locations

928
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:55,400
 where it's appropriate to do so so i understand your concern and where you're coming from but

929
01:25:56,440 --> 01:26:02,120
 that part of this project is not debatable i would say at this time because of the direction that

930
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:06,600
 council had given us that that's on the the scenario i'm not debating the strategy i'm

931
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:15,000
 debating that particular designation in this part of the the area period i'm not so no i don't think

932
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:19,880
 it goes against council at all i think that and and they can they're obviously in the end going to do

933
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:26,360
 what it is i'm giving my opinion as i see it in looking at what is presented in front of us today

934
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:33,880
 um and i'm sorry i just i didn't mean to cut you but i actually have a solution to it the one

935
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:41,480
 thing i will say is um we had the same issue in burleson uh many years ago when 121 was coming

936
01:26:41,480 --> 01:26:47,640
 through we did not want and we had the same conversation didn't want to designate it before

937
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:55,320
 it came well right before it came people put in these really bad looking um storage unit kind of

938
01:26:55,320 --> 01:27:02,600
 things it was in the etj was uh some was in the city limits but then the etj built the storage

939
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:09,000
 unit so the pnz and council could say nothing to the gentleman right next door and then came the

940
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:16,920
 fancy looking 121 and today you will see the gateway into burleson off of 121 is this really

941
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:25,400
 bad looking outdoors those storage climate control storage unit places but i understand your issue too

942
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:34,600
 one thing we can do in the plan is to say until the loop is set this will be as is preservation

943
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:42,840
 area and if that outer loop is uh whenever the outer loop alignment is set this is what it will

944
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:48,840
 be when the alignment happens and that way we're covered if it doesn't happen for 20 years nothing

945
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:55,640
 needs to change if it does come people know what they can build there you know another thing we

946
01:27:55,640 --> 01:28:01,400
 can also add as a strategy is something with respect of trying to minimize leapfrog development

947
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:07,560
 because in in all reality there are other issues that are going to come into play such as availability

948
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:13,880
 of utilities to be able to serve that area in in that that's going to be the greater cause i mean

949
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:18,840
 we we've had conversations with property owners between the loop and out there and you know they're

950
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:24,920
 looking for financial support from the city we had a property much farther north large track that

951
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:30,440
 was looking for a potential pit or a tiff district in that area and the city was not interested in

952
01:28:30,440 --> 01:28:34,040
 supporting that so this i think there are other things that are going to be able to control your

953
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:40,920
 concern i like shy suggestion that until the outer loop is more reaffirmed that this area would

954
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:45,160
 continue in a preservation status let me get other this is just my opinion anyway let me just get

955
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:50,200
 other commissioners involved in this commissioner cole thank you chair um i think the it's more

956
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:55,560
 imminent than we think because collin county's already complete finished segments of the outer

957
01:28:55,560 --> 01:29:06,840
 loop already so i think it's closer than you know is is it's imminent and when you have that much

958
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:11,560
 of it done in collin county it's just a matter of time i don't think it's that far off

959
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:19,240
 because i do know they're negotiating right now with landowners on the west side of town

960
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:27,000
 for the loop so it's it's more imminent and i think is being portrayed right and i might add

961
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:34,520
 that the mpo also has funding associated for the outer loop and dentin so and you were mentioning

962
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:40,360
 428 there's no funding associated 428 improvements for relative this glad to know

963
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:49,080
 commissioner smith i'll be quick i'd rather have a vision for we want to see there than not have

964
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:53,480
 a vision for it at all i like the idea of designating as conservation till a certain

965
01:29:53,480 --> 01:29:58,440
 point in time i even have the idea of saying it's going to be this vision and for the next

966
01:29:58,440 --> 01:30:02,360
 certain amount of years until this happens i'm cool with that for that modification i think that

967
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:07,560
 that your modification recommendation makes sense we shouldn't just 100 lock down something but i

968
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:13,720
 think having no vision for the area for that specific area is more dangerous than than not

969
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:19,800
 having it so um or then having it yeah i think i would be okay with it if it was attached to

970
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:28,600
 actual road development out there uh and not have it be part of it not connected so not attached to

971
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:33,960
 that because again then we develop something out there and we just we we're just kind of we're

972
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:40,760
 doing this and that's not what to me that's not what this should be okay anybody else commission

973
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:47,880
 for it thank you yeah i'll just say i'm no fan of text dot planning our land use for us

974
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:55,960
 and that's what it looks like um you know at the same time i i'm pessimistic maybe five percent

975
01:30:55,960 --> 01:31:02,280
 chance that if we say it's going to be conserved and then we want it to be this vision that that

976
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:11,800
 would actually happen um but by setting something forward there's a five percent chance instead of

977
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:20,520
 a zero percent chance so i'm okay with it commissioner smith do you want to run through

978
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:30,280
 all your thoughts um no um yeah i think anything else here i have um i can email okay yeah i think

979
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:39,080
 we'll be okay um okay so we are on so that's two are we good anybody else i'm sorry three yes

980
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:48,440
 yes so do we add that little yes that modification yeah okay i got so we are on

981
01:31:48,440 --> 01:31:58,280
 uh number four create design standards to enhance uh for future developments uh to enhance rural

982
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:07,720
 character of the area add design standards in northeast and specific to the area okay yes

983
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:15,720
 and then development agreements number five i'd like to i'd like to see if we can make a

984
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:21,560
 modification just to have some sort of notification to landowners on development agreements um in that

985
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:27,000
 plan having something that's included within there that says in this strategy um maybe notifying land

986
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:31,880
 owners and letting them know hey this is in the plan's been approved it's been done if you are

987
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:35,800
 wanting to do a development agreement this is what development agreement is this is how you should

988
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:40,840
 start that conversation uh really a better way to hear my recommendation for a modification is to

989
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:49,080
 include a marketing plan so in the action steps for this will include uh send out a notification

990
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:58,280
 to invite property owners cool that's all i got commissioner hole i want to follow up

991
01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:03,320
 with commissioner smith i i agree totally with that and i'd like to see it i retract my statement

992
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:12,360
 okay we're good okay let's go to six

993
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:19,240
 sorry

994
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:28,680
 infrastructure complete streets and uh context-sensitive design for streets

995
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:37,400
 so multimodal street design so to basically to change your thoroughfare plan to have

996
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:45,480
 different cross-sections so six and seven are actually one uh strategy saying yes to six and

997
01:33:45,480 --> 01:33:53,160
 no to seven won't work right we have to say yes to both yeah commissioner perot yeah i'll just say

998
01:33:53,160 --> 01:34:01,320
 in sorry i'm eight keep going okay we're good with six and seven okay

999
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:05,320
 well let's let's go to eight

1000
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:11,800
 eight was that's the trails yeah trails

1001
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:20,200
 wait strategy eight is develop a network trail that connects residential commercial

1002
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:22,760
 open spaces form an active transportation network

1003
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:31,160
 everybody everyone's good anything on that okay and then nine dcta yeah

1004
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:42,040
 yeah okay do we want to put it as long-term uh goal

1005
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:50,200
 in the action plan i i sorry go ahead commissioner go ahead i completely trust staff on how to

1006
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:56,120
 prioritize these things i just don't want people to get bogged down in action items

1007
01:34:56,120 --> 01:35:02,760
 and that keep us from doing what staff knows is highest priority for the whole city from a transit

1008
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:09,320
 perspective so i'm okay with it yeah i mean i agree strategy nine to me it's certainly low priority

1009
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:16,120
 in this plan um i think i mean we we have we need so much more improvement within this

1010
01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:23,720
 the loop of the city with when it comes to dcta that i don't i don't even see this happening in

1011
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:31,480
 any kind of near future so it just seems very very low priority and and we usually try to put it

1012
01:35:31,480 --> 01:35:37,160
 because it's a 20-year plan just in case suddenly somebody has money and something happens then we

1013
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:43,720
 want to be able to grab it and say it was in the plan yeah sure and then this one is the mobility

1014
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:49,160
 plan the thoroughfare plan where we recommended different roadways the connectivity if you all

1015
01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:55,400
 remember we will be putting in there again that it will go with the development and not

1016
01:35:58,040 --> 01:36:09,320
 be built thank you chairs so my brief comment on this nine and ten i think um i understand and i

1017
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:16,920
 support both of them i get really scared when i see a four lane divided highway in the slides

1018
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:24,200
 i would just ask that as we go through the implementation of this we take a hard look at

1019
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:35,080
 you know it's a rural area if it's 600 cars per day we don't need a four lane road so and

1020
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:39,640
 we monitor that as part of our development projects right and we recognize that roads are

1021
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:47,000
 maybe in an interim state until they are in their full built-out condition i mean we do that today

1022
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:56,920
 as we're working on projects yeah so i mean i yeah enough said okay

1023
01:36:56,920 --> 01:37:10,440
 okay we are on uh 12 i think i'm sorry 11 right yes 11 11 economic development

1024
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:17,880
 for small business unique that's a good strategy to keep for sure everyone

1025
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:27,320
 next is uh the open space conservation and management transfer of development rights

1026
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:35,240
 commissioner smith i'm a big hard no on this one as of right now um i just and i know this

1027
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:43,000
 is a 30 000 foot level view plan and this is a 30 000 foot level idea um maybe i shouldn't call it

1028
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:49,800
 an absolute remove but i i don't know how to modify it i don't know how to make a recommendation for

1029
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:55,160
 a modification i feel like it's the biggest issue for me is not about the idea of being able to

1030
01:37:55,160 --> 01:38:00,920
 exchange units in exchange for density and conservation and encourage conservation through

1031
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:06,040
 economic development and i'm not a curmudgeon for a change i understand other states and other areas

1032
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:10,920
 probably do this and it's probably a well-developed plan elsewhere somewhere in the country it just

1033
01:38:10,920 --> 01:38:21,160
 feels to me like there is too much risk to allowing flexibility in density on zoning which i think city

1034
01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:26,120
 staff knows i'm a big huge proponent for flexibility and development code and flexibility in a lot of

1035
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:33,560
 areas but if it's approved as a base zoning of zone four of r4 but because of this unit plan idea

1036
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:39,080
 we can exchange it in somehow some way neighborhood looks up and it's really a density of you know not

1037
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:44,680
 even r7 it's a density of five or six it's like how did that happen oh this really complicated

1038
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:49,560
 indexing method that we used for exchange of conservation land for a piece of property you

1039
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:54,760
 can't see that's three miles behind us that you don't understand oh but i know how that happened

1040
01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:59,720
 it seems too too complicated there's probably a simpler more clearly defined way in which we can

1041
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:05,080
 encourage conservation through economic development but i don't think this this is it yeah and i'm

1042
01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:11,480
 gonna piggyback on that i'm a hard no on that too because i think it could absolutely invite

1043
01:39:11,480 --> 01:39:18,440
 density to where it's unwanted i mean it's like it's supposed to be this but oh well with this

1044
01:39:18,440 --> 01:39:25,320
 little transfer of stuff and oh now suddenly this one development is way bigger than anyone

1045
01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:35,800
 anticipated and and it's from how i understand it and see it right now i see no reason for it

1046
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:44,600
 to be here other than to play games and shenanigans with with density that is zoned a certain way and

1047
01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:51,400
 it's gonna be something else commissioner i'm gonna know on that as well yeah if if maybe it

1048
01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:59,160
 could be brought forward to where it can be to where are the fears are are are not there but i

1049
01:39:59,160 --> 01:40:05,240
 i don't i don't see it as being or to make it positive i mean as it's as it's currently sorry

1050
01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:12,360
 as it's currently lined out it's it is general so i guess i i i get that because as programs and

1051
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:16,040
 policies can be created off our landlords have said not develop their property in return checked

1052
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:23,720
 up in spaces so it is vague um but it it once again i think there's maybe just a different way

1053
01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:29,560
 in which that can be that can be reworded and re-revisioned to where it it isn't it is something

1054
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:37,800
 totally different than strategy 11 or totally different than even strategy 13 which both are

1055
01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:46,120
 trying to address the same piece but this opens up some sort of as a result selling landowners can

1056
01:40:46,120 --> 01:40:50,040
 generate income and keep partial parcels of land intact to possibly reduce the property tax without

1057
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:54,120
 developing their property it just it seems like it's this money-making strategy it's inside of

1058
01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:58,760
 there that i don't think it's a shell game that needs to be included in the plan agreed are you

1059
01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:06,440
 sorry i was gonna ask are you all uh only against if the density selling area and the buying area

1060
01:41:06,440 --> 01:41:12,360
 was in northeast or are you okay with a northeast being the selling area and somewhere else in the

1061
01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:20,520
 city being the buying area the thing is we want to make sure the property owners in northeast

1062
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:27,640
 can actually not say you're taking their property by not letting them develop they can at least use

1063
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:32,440
 their property make money off of their property but not develop their property that's the idea

1064
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:37,480
 yeah i understand the idea and i think i think part of that is there's a there's a there's a

1065
01:41:37,480 --> 01:41:42,600
 certain flexibility that results in a finality that i don't agree with either that hey with

1066
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:46,680
 flexibility for current landowner to not develop this and turn it into a conservation easement

1067
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:53,320
 okay that's cool for now and it's cool for the next 20 years but those conservation easements are

1068
01:41:53,320 --> 01:41:58,600
 forever they're for forever and i can remember if they were 100 they're 100 years or they're

1069
01:41:58,600 --> 01:42:03,480
 perpetual it's like forever they're perpetual then i mean we are we're taking a flexibility for an

1070
01:42:03,480 --> 01:42:08,840
 idea being thrown around now that locks it up for forever yeah and i'm not saying that we want to

1071
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:15,240
 turn that area into concrete city but i also don't want to speak for dentin 100 years from now

1072
01:42:15,240 --> 01:42:21,080
 and who knows what's going to be needed at that time it just it's it's flexibility leading to

1073
01:42:21,080 --> 01:42:26,280
 finality that scares me within that well and i think and that's fine and this is why we wanted

1074
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:32,600
 your feedback so i mean if the if the consensus of the group is to exclude especially the transfer

1075
01:42:32,600 --> 01:42:41,000
 development rights and in the buying and selling we can still work towards trying to create policies

1076
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:47,560
 that incur the open space conservation and management i was looking back to our strategies

1077
01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:52,440
 under the land development management so i think we can we can work to refine those other strategies

1078
01:42:52,440 --> 01:42:59,560
 under the the land development but um but not invest time and effort on this transfer development

1079
01:42:59,560 --> 01:43:05,000
 rights and buying and selling because it is complex right and and to your point um it

1080
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:12,040
 if if we're struggling with it here and and how we might navigate through it then i can understand

1081
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:16,520
 members of the public may also um to your point and concern so that that's okay and that's why

1082
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:20,120
 we want to have this conversation is to find out where your concerns lie so i'm gonna invite

1083
01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:23,800
 commissioner pruett in because i know he's got a differing opinion i think thank you chair

1084
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:33,400
 you know i i'm just trying to imagine the future here um and i want to make sure we're not throwing

1085
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:38,040
 the baby out with the bath water to to borrow an analogy that's probably not quite right um

1086
01:43:38,040 --> 01:43:47,800
 the part of me that loves simplicity and clarity is is 100 aligned with the three of you however

1087
01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:57,160
 this is not a simple area the thing i worry about without some sort of tool like this maybe there

1088
01:43:57,160 --> 01:44:05,480
 are other options that would be more amenable um is that then you see the type of piecemeal

1089
01:44:05,480 --> 01:44:11,560
 development that we've seen in other areas of the city just because so and so did wanted to develop

1090
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:19,080
 their property and a different person did not um and and by not having some sort of tool like this

1091
01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:27,160
 i worry that the the in in the presentation we were talking about prioritization and and

1092
01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:35,400
 metrics of areas that we want to be preserved i could just see how easily this ends up being

1093
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:40,600
 a an area where we preserve places by accident just because of where the borders are drawn

1094
01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:46,360
 between different landowners as opposed to preserving areas that are valuable to preserve

1095
01:44:46,920 --> 01:44:53,400
 so i don't know if there's a different tool or not but there's got to be something that gets us

1096
01:44:53,400 --> 01:45:02,440
 away from the lines on the platting map and toward the areas for ecological and and historical and

1097
01:45:02,440 --> 01:45:09,080
 all the other reasons that the whole rest of the draft talks about says here's the areas we want

1098
01:45:09,080 --> 01:45:17,320
 to focus and if you don't have a transfer flexible piece then there's no way to kind of you know

1099
01:45:17,320 --> 01:45:27,160
 manage that preservation on a different owner's piece of land right yeah understood and yeah point

1100
01:45:27,160 --> 01:45:31,800
 well taken i just i wonder if there's a different way to incentivize conservation versus

1101
01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:41,080
 a slippery slope of possibly especially in the same area of of getting just way higher density

1102
01:45:41,080 --> 01:45:45,960
 by doing this and it's this kind of smoke and mirrors kind of thing that just doesn't feel right

1103
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:50,680
 so i will say that during the presentation we heard that most of the time when something like

1104
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:59,960
 this is codified it's codified by a base uh you know um development right of of a gross density

1105
01:45:59,960 --> 01:46:05,480
 with a cap of here's how much you can get above that through this mechanism so it's not

1106
01:46:05,480 --> 01:46:14,280
 all bars loose we have an opportunity sorry yeah yes just to the point that what was heard very

1107
01:46:14,280 --> 01:46:19,880
 clearly for me is the majority doesn't want this to be included to answer your specific question

1108
01:46:19,880 --> 01:46:25,400
 that yes there are other tools and vehicles that we can achieve the same thing and it doesn't mean

1109
01:46:25,400 --> 01:46:31,640
 that um it's dead because we kill it right here right now but the detail isn't there so for us

1110
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:36,600
 just to to take that and say okay we're going to remove this doesn't mean that it doesn't come back

1111
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:42,920
 in some other form or fashion when we can distill a little better so okay thank you commissioner

1112
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:48,840
 mcdave thank you chair yeah i was gonna say i'm also a no on this for the simple fact that it is

1113
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:57,160
 complicated but to uh piggyback on what tina said somewhere in the future if you get the wording

1114
01:46:57,160 --> 01:47:03,960
 so it's not only understandable by the the property owner but by joe public

1115
01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:10,520
 because if this happens and they go okay we have no idea you know explain it to us you want to make

1116
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:16,760
 everyone not just the property owners and and the buyer you want to make the whole city aware of how

1117
01:47:16,760 --> 01:47:23,400
 this how this works instead of just leaving it to the property owners too so that's why right now

1118
01:47:23,400 --> 01:47:29,080
 in a few years you know you reword it and make it easier to understand because that was a very

1119
01:47:29,080 --> 01:47:37,480
 complicated uh strategy there so at the right now i i'm a no on this one and you do have to study it

1120
01:47:37,480 --> 01:47:43,400
 in detail because somebody in the city is going to be upset even if you say oh we're going to put

1121
01:47:43,400 --> 01:47:50,280
 apartments or higher density a long loop 288 the people that have homes backing up to 288 are not

1122
01:47:50,280 --> 01:47:56,280
 going to like it so you have to really study where and how much density you're going to put it nobody

1123
01:47:56,280 --> 01:48:04,040
 is going to be happy with it so you're right somebody's going to be upset that's my life

1124
01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:12,200
 shall we go so we'll remove this transfer of development rights there were some other things

1125
01:48:12,200 --> 01:48:20,120
 like conservation district will keep and then um incentives to ensure design standards are met by

1126
01:48:20,120 --> 01:48:30,200
 character area is that something we are good with and then how about recruiting those uh

1127
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:43,320
 nomadic workforce do we want to do that now commissioner cole okay yeah okay oh

1128
01:48:43,320 --> 01:48:51,320
 and i think i'm gonna pause you right there um and i know we've got a few more strategies that

1129
01:48:51,320 --> 01:48:58,360
 that took us through 14 i think yes yep so i'm gonna pause i'm going to uh due to a prior

1130
01:48:58,360 --> 01:49:03,160
 commitment i have to buy out about out of the meeting commissioner vice chair smith is going

1131
01:49:03,160 --> 01:49:12,680
 to take over and run the meeting so we will um adjourn at 557 p.m and do you all want to

1132
01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:19,320
 come right back or maybe get your food or whatever you decide do we have food there is oh okay yeah

1133
01:49:19,320 --> 01:49:22,840
 why don't you all get your food and then you can reset yeah that works okay five minutes let's

1134
01:49:22,840 --> 01:49:34,200
 adjourn at 558 p.m thank you very much for the recess and welcome back to the planning and zoning

1135
01:49:34,200 --> 01:49:39,960
 special call work session i will re-convene our meeting at 605 and continue with presentation

1136
01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:48,600
 from our consultant shy we are on strategy 15 good evening everyone again um starting strategy

1137
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:56,200
 15 environmental preservation so adopt regulations that provide for appropriate vegetative riparian

1138
01:49:56,200 --> 01:50:03,400
 buffers along all major streams and tributaries i just want to point we said along all michael had

1139
01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:09,960
 mentioned that every one of them does not have a floodplain studied floodplain but we're recommending

1140
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:12,680
 we do vegetative buffers along all

1141
01:50:16,040 --> 01:50:19,240
 all right looks like we're all good to keep it

1142
01:50:19,240 --> 01:50:27,640
 uh strategy 16 uh creating an active uh bike and pedestrian transportation corridors

1143
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:32,680
 within the riparian buffers right now nothing's allowed in it correct

1144
01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:46,200
 commissioner prudit sorry i on the previous one um given the direction of the city in a city-wide

1145
01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:51,080
 perspective and the discussion that we had earlier about habitats and that sort of thing maybe we

1146
01:50:51,080 --> 01:51:00,360
 want to modify that to include um habitat widths based on the the local area in addition to just

1147
01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:05,800
 the riparian distances for the flora and fauna or for the fauna in addition to the flora does

1148
01:51:05,800 --> 01:51:10,840
 that make sense well and i was going to ask would that be more of an action item in support of this

1149
01:51:10,840 --> 01:51:16,040
 strategy shy or would that be something that would be appropriate to include in the wording of this

1150
01:51:16,040 --> 01:51:23,560
 strategy or michael do you mean like a like a new strategy in addition no i was talking about so um

1151
01:51:23,560 --> 01:51:29,400
 the these strategies that have been identified they will have supporting action items to implement

1152
01:51:29,400 --> 01:51:34,840
 the strategy so um so that's why i was asking i didn't know if that would be what your suggestion

1153
01:51:34,840 --> 01:51:38,680
 especially taking into consideration the widths of these riparian buffers and depending upon the

1154
01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:45,880
 condition of each of the creeks or streams um an action item would be to um you know study those

1155
01:51:45,880 --> 01:51:51,080
 streams and evaluate the appropriate riparian buffer widths so that the action item becomes

1156
01:51:51,080 --> 01:51:56,600
 more specific to support the strategy so that's the only reason why i was asking so because um

1157
01:51:56,600 --> 01:52:03,640
 because if you get too specified on the strategy then that might inadvertently rule out some other

1158
01:52:03,640 --> 01:52:08,440
 action items that could support that so that that's the only reason why i ask yeah definitely an

1159
01:52:08,440 --> 01:52:13,160
 action item and it would expand to look at the habitat and the connectivity too so this would be

1160
01:52:13,160 --> 01:52:18,360
 something that would be explored in detail with let's say an ecologist or environmental engineer

1161
01:52:18,360 --> 01:52:23,880
 combined does that address your question yeah and commissioner cole are you okay with that okay

1162
01:52:23,880 --> 01:52:31,480
 all right so we'll leave that strategy as worded then number 15 got it back to 16 um i think we

1163
01:52:31,480 --> 01:52:38,440
 set set general consensus of a yes on this uh only thing i'd add in as an action item on this would

1164
01:52:38,440 --> 01:52:45,560
 be uh to add in a sub trail master plan or a subsection to the trail master plan within there

1165
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:49,800
 that if we're adding those adding in it sounds like the way that strategy is worded is is to

1166
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:56,920
 create code for allow for pedestrian walkway and you know usage in riparian buffers i think

1167
01:52:56,920 --> 01:53:02,360
 as an action item in that and that's and that 16 would be to then add that into our our master

1168
01:53:02,360 --> 01:53:12,920
 plan our trails master plan we have for parks okay okay anything else is 16 good to go

1169
01:53:12,920 --> 01:53:20,680
 okay 17 prioritized shared use and multi-benefit nature-based infrastructure including

1170
01:53:20,680 --> 01:53:27,560
 best management practices such as bioswales bioretention enhanced swales um and the action

1171
01:53:27,560 --> 01:53:36,680
 item would be which of the uh mass uh design criteria manuals you might need to change in the

1172
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:44,200
 city to add that in but the strategy is to prioritize that okay we're good looks like

1173
01:53:44,200 --> 01:53:50,520
 we're a general consensus of yes that's good and then uh prioritize the protection restoration

1174
01:53:50,520 --> 01:53:57,240
 expansion of the tall grass prairie and connected woodland spaces in the area okay everyone's good

1175
01:53:57,240 --> 01:54:08,120
 there uh evaluate the efficacy of retrofitting existing stock bonds um to create i'm just going

1176
01:54:08,120 --> 01:54:16,600
 to paraphrase it to create a overall stormwater quantity and quality mitigation system yep looks

1177
01:54:16,600 --> 01:54:26,280
 good so one of the action items of this would be to look at a area wide uh stormwater management

1178
01:54:26,280 --> 01:54:34,440
 plan and then two more historic preservation um strategies that's to conduct a historic resource

1179
01:54:34,440 --> 01:54:40,840
 survey and seek historic designation of vital assets in the area is that a study everyone

1180
01:54:40,840 --> 01:54:47,560
 i think we're on board for that oh commissioner prudit thank you chair i'm not against this but

1181
01:54:47,560 --> 01:54:56,520
 i'm very sensitive to our capacity as a city to actually implement this plan um given the the

1182
01:54:56,520 --> 01:55:04,200
 comments of the the staff needs and that sort of thing i would just ask that the action items be

1183
01:55:04,840 --> 01:55:14,680
 drafted in a manner that gives us clear you know low effort high return items um

1184
01:55:14,680 --> 01:55:23,800
 so that we make sure we with our limited capacity we make the most progress in this as possible

1185
01:55:23,800 --> 01:55:28,040
 well and if i could add to that um and i didn't weigh on the comment previously but

1186
01:55:28,040 --> 01:55:34,600
 you know that we have other resources that we may be able to utilize to accomplish this

1187
01:55:34,600 --> 01:55:42,040
 so while i know shy put a plug for additional staff on my historic preservation team know that

1188
01:55:42,040 --> 01:55:46,520
 we could potentially have resources available to utilize consultant services with to help us with

1189
01:55:46,520 --> 01:55:51,160
 historic resource surveys we've done that in the past so that's not something that is foreign to us

1190
01:55:51,160 --> 01:55:58,040
 that gives us that additional manpower to be able to be able to accomplish that objective so i think

1191
01:55:58,040 --> 01:56:05,160
 the i think the strategy is important to keep um but we can focus on what the necessary action

1192
01:56:05,160 --> 01:56:17,960
 items are to support that okay good we'll give more detail on in during the action items and then

1193
01:56:17,960 --> 01:56:24,120
 seek cultural landscape status for hurtly field yeah i think we're all good there

1194
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:32,920
 thank you all so much we are thank you shy uh then uh next steps uh city staff you guys can give us

1195
01:56:32,920 --> 01:56:38,280
 the next steps everyone who's watching at home uh what where we go from here right so when we

1196
01:56:38,280 --> 01:56:43,000
 put these materials together we were anticipating that these strategies would also we would have a

1197
01:56:43,000 --> 01:56:51,080
 discussion with council on the 14th um we've retooled our um task on that so we will not be

1198
01:56:51,080 --> 01:56:55,560
 having that discussion with council on the 14th that's a decision that's been made by our director

1199
01:56:56,360 --> 01:56:59,960
 instead council is going to be able to take all the feedback that we receive from the commission

1200
01:56:59,960 --> 01:57:03,720
 and that's why we really wanted to focus and have this conversation with the commission because

1201
01:57:03,720 --> 01:57:08,680
 to more the emphasis on the planning part of your planning and zoning commission title right

1202
01:57:08,680 --> 01:57:14,200
 so i appreciate all your feedback and comments on that so we're going to be retooling our project

1203
01:57:14,200 --> 01:57:20,280
 schedule we will not be having that discussion with council on the 14th the other aspect that

1204
01:57:20,280 --> 01:57:24,680
 we've got is keep in mind is you know as i said earlier all of these tasks and efforts that we

1205
01:57:24,680 --> 01:57:29,000
 work on they build upon each other based upon direction council's already given us so you know

1206
01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:34,280
 ultimately council is the one that's going to be deciding whether or not this plan gets adopted so

1207
01:57:34,280 --> 01:57:38,520
 these strategies really were to see and i appreciate getting your feedback on whether

1208
01:57:38,520 --> 01:57:43,400
 you think that we're on target or if we were off base i thought we did pretty well we only

1209
01:57:43,400 --> 01:57:49,400
 eliminated one strategy so um we will take these strategies we will continue working on this as a

1210
01:57:49,400 --> 01:57:54,920
 project team on supplementing the action items some of those actions you already saw in this material

1211
01:57:54,920 --> 01:58:01,720
 with all and you know if we had shy present that we'd be here till 11 o'clock this evening so we

1212
01:58:01,720 --> 01:58:05,480
 we've got that information out to you in advance so you can see that's already formulating some of

1213
01:58:05,480 --> 01:58:10,280
 those actions but the project team will refine those have those action items that support these

1214
01:58:10,280 --> 01:58:16,440
 strategies and then we will update our discuss denton webpage as we always do when we make any

1215
01:58:16,440 --> 01:58:19,960
 changes to the schedule associated with the project because i know we have several folks that are

1216
01:58:19,960 --> 01:58:25,240
 interested in following this project along and be able to communicate that out so um that's our next

1217
01:58:25,240 --> 01:58:31,240
 steps and we will again continue to push information out as well as to the steering committee

1218
01:58:31,240 --> 01:58:40,440
 and as to what our next steps will be for the project awesome um christopher thank you chair i

1219
01:58:41,720 --> 01:58:48,120
 i think there was a note about you know if there were any additional um strategies or goals yes i'm

1220
01:58:48,120 --> 01:58:53,800
 sorry we should have asked was was there a strategy that you felt we left out so um

1221
01:58:53,800 --> 01:59:01,320
 so based on some of the comments about the north area from other commissioners being kind of

1222
01:59:01,320 --> 01:59:06,440
 separate and undetermined of when it will come in and very different from the area south of clear creek

1223
01:59:08,680 --> 01:59:15,960
 i i understand that our our fiscal evaluation of this was included in the prior joint

1224
01:59:15,960 --> 01:59:25,240
 session that we had with council um as i think through the implementation of of you know if

1225
01:59:25,240 --> 01:59:32,840
 areas like this start to to develop uh and there are you know requests for rezoning to support

1226
01:59:32,840 --> 01:59:39,720
 the plan and that sort of thing um i anticipate that we will get our fiscal evaluation for each

1227
01:59:39,720 --> 01:59:49,560
 individual project and there may be comments of well this one doesn't pencil oh that's okay

1228
01:59:49,560 --> 01:59:56,680
 because others will right and so i'm wondering whether it would be appropriate to kind of now

1229
01:59:56,680 --> 02:00:02,440
 that the plan is a little bit more refined rerun that tool as a separate geographic section

1230
02:00:02,440 --> 02:00:12,520
 south of clear creek from the north of clear creek future area in order to ensure that everybody's

1231
02:00:12,520 --> 02:00:21,960
 kind of comfortable with um with the plan being fiscally sound as our comp plan asks does that

1232
02:00:21,960 --> 02:00:28,920
 make sense i think i'm understanding your asks so basically you're wanting us to reevaluate the

1233
02:00:28,920 --> 02:00:34,760
 fiscal impact analysis associated with the land use recommendations in the plan or did i miss that

1234
02:00:34,760 --> 02:00:41,800
 yeah that's that's accurate and i think you know as we refine it through the implementation the goal

1235
02:00:41,800 --> 02:00:54,680
 would be to balance those needs with other needs in in the area um just so that we we do the

1236
02:00:54,680 --> 02:01:04,200
 implementation in a way that is least uh puts the least upward pressure on tax rates for for people

1237
02:01:04,200 --> 02:01:11,880
 in the city does that make sense i think i'm following you um my i think let me let me just

1238
02:01:11,880 --> 02:01:19,080
 say like as an example if if different zoning change applications come to us and we hear

1239
02:01:19,080 --> 02:01:24,120
 here's the fiscal report for this one here's the one for this one here's the one for that one

1240
02:01:24,120 --> 02:01:31,160
 i mean i i can envision a a future where it says oh well don't worry about this one because we

1241
02:01:31,160 --> 02:01:39,320
 have others coming that are going to offset it or something right and and so having a basis for that

1242
02:01:39,320 --> 02:01:47,160
 sort of claim as part of the outcome of the plan i think would help explain that once that that time

1243
02:01:47,160 --> 02:01:54,600
 comes does that make sense i i think so i i guess i would look at this from a standpoint then uh you

1244
02:01:54,600 --> 02:02:00,680
 know keep in mind that fiscal impact analysis tool that we developed was to be used for informational

1245
02:02:00,680 --> 02:02:06,600
 purposes and not the sole determinant of all of our decisions um you know with this plan we did an

1246
02:02:06,600 --> 02:02:12,600
 extensive amount of fiscal analysis above and beyond what we had scoped as a result of some of

1247
02:02:12,600 --> 02:02:17,640
 the questions that we had received previously were to the point where if we want to do any additional

1248
02:02:17,640 --> 02:02:24,760
 fiscal analysis associated with it then that either needs to be a recommended action item that is

1249
02:02:24,760 --> 02:02:30,760
 included associated with or possibly a strategy we'll have to ruminate over that a little bit more

1250
02:02:30,760 --> 02:02:37,000
 but um with the the land development and or the economic section of the strategy but i'm i don't

1251
02:02:37,000 --> 02:02:41,720
 have the ability financially at this time related for this project to do that additional fiscal

1252
02:02:41,720 --> 02:02:46,440
 analysis associated with it but that's not to say that you know if you feel that that's something

1253
02:02:46,440 --> 02:02:51,480
 important that we need to include as a strategy and our action item within the plan we can always

1254
02:02:51,480 --> 02:02:58,600
 we can always put that in the plan um in including you know monitoring decisions that have been made

1255
02:02:58,600 --> 02:03:04,520
 as it relates to land development applications and to rezonings within the area that might influence

1256
02:03:04,520 --> 02:03:10,360
 the outcome of the the fiscal impact does it would does that help address your need yeah and

1257
02:03:10,360 --> 02:03:16,280
 i understand you can't commit to something that's not funded um i just i don't have the means under

1258
02:03:16,280 --> 02:03:20,520
 my existing contract either right so that i just want to make sure the commission is is aware of

1259
02:03:20,520 --> 02:03:29,160
 that so i'm i'm aware of that i i just think including it helps us keep that front and center

1260
02:03:29,160 --> 02:03:35,400
 okay so so we can look at um possibly adding that as a strategy and our action item um

1261
02:03:36,200 --> 02:03:43,640
 within the plan itself yeah okay okay any other items any other strategies anything else want to

1262
02:03:43,640 --> 02:03:50,840
 be included okay uh before we adjourn i just want to say thank you to uh shy and our consultants

1263
02:03:50,840 --> 02:03:55,320
 as well as a big thank you to staff now this has been a huge project you guys have undertaken

1264
02:03:55,320 --> 02:03:59,480
 greatly appreciate it really appreciate your hard work and i hope that doesn't just sound like

1265
02:03:59,480 --> 02:04:05,800
 smoke being blown um i don't want to just don't you know prolong our meeting just to say thank you

1266
02:04:05,800 --> 02:04:09,640
 but thank you and thank you to the steering committee and the steering committee being here

1267
02:04:09,640 --> 02:04:16,120
 i know it's been a lot of sweat and uh tears and hopefully not a lot of blood but uh plenty of

1268
02:04:16,120 --> 02:04:20,840
 sweat and tears so uh thank you guys for your help and your assistance and being able to get this plan

1269
02:04:20,840 --> 02:04:26,440
 down uh we're very appreciative of it so and uh hopefully you guys are appreciative too so uh with

1270
02:04:26,440 --> 02:04:31,080
 that said no other comments uh there is no concluding items on the agenda uh so therefore

1271
02:04:31,080 --> 02:04:37,400
 at 6 20 i'll convene our meeting thank you very much