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 good morning welcome to the mobility committee meeting Wednesday October 25th

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 2023 8 o'clock we're here in the work session room forum is present do we have

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 any citizens comment on any agenda items nothing gets coming in you all know okay

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 so we're gonna move forward that go to number two items for individual

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 consideration we need approval for the minutes of September 27th all right and

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 I second that so that is approved then we're gonna read I'm sorry

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 do we not actually have to have a vote okay so we have first and a second we

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 have a vote can I get a vote I I so it is our approved thank you for the

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 reminder we are going to skip item B and we're gonna come back to item B but

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 we're gonna go to item C MC to three days zero to zero our staff memorandums

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 starting with our Bonnie Bay break update all right good morning everybody

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 Seth Garcia deputy director of capital projects so quickly Bonnie Bray update

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 so phase three we did award a contract to sunk construction we issued a notice

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 to proceed for October 16th so they're currently working on submittals here in

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 the next few weeks you're gonna see them out there replacing utilities and

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 starting on the duck bank work in front of UNT's Apogee Stadium so we've got a

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 lot of active coordination going on with UNT for the football schedule so once we

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 get all those submittals completed you'll see those utility crews moving

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 out there to start those installations Bonnie Bray six so we're currently

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 shooting to advertise in quarter four of 2023 we're working with text are really

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 closely to try and get our state letter of authority we've got one more

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 relocation agreement for Eagle Ridge that's coming through it will come before

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 council so currently we're pursuing a path with text dot to be able to

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 advertise the project prior to having that relocation completed but with the

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 understanding that the relocation will be done before we begin construction

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 Hickory Creek Road phase three so we're currently in active construction we've

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 hit a little hiccup with the Kansas City Southern Canadian Pacific Railway so

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 we're currently working through a few things with that item as well as our

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 encore relocations we have an encore electric line that feeds the lights and

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 gates for the signal crossing so we're working through with the railroad

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 company to have a temporary service brought over until we take that rail

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 crossing out so right now we're kind of a little hesitant on how we're going on

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 the bridge work but with the weather coming in there's not a whole lot we can

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 do out on that site currently anyways so we're keeping an active eye on that and

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 monitoring the request came in for Bradshaw Street and East Prairie after

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 the rain event so this is southeast in package B part of that project does

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 include subgrade restoration and so we're actually digging out approximately

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 8 to 12 inches and putting in flex space subgrade we got hit with a rainstorm

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 essentially once we had dug a pond in the roadway which made conditions very

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 treacherous for some of those residents so our contractor McCarthy worked

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 quickly to try and get a drivable surface back in place for those folks of

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 course we have it currently closed to through traffic it's just supposed to be

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 accessed for local residents since that time we were able to get the subgrade in

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 place and pave out the first few layers and so we'll be coming back with topping

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 here in the next few weeks hopefully prior to Thanksgiving as we move on to

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 East Sycamore another portion of that was we did have an area that experienced

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 a trench failure next to the creek that was caused by a bore pit that was there

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 so we actually bored a new water line underneath the drainage channel so as we

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 bored they're supposed they're required to compact and lifts coming upwards when

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 you have vertical infrastructure such as the water line coming up it gets

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 difficult to compact around that infrastructure that's sticking up so we

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 did experience a small trench failure the contractor is working to address

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 that and before we get that topping that surface layer of asphalt on so that is

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 warranty work that's at the the dime of the contractor so they'll be replacing

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 that and of course we still have our two-year warranty after contract

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 acceptance so we'll continue to monitor that area since we've experienced a

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 failure there as well yes ma'am so the what it looked like to me was that the

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 road kind of buckled up this way it kind of went up like a little mountain yeah

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 so it's actually the opposite everything around it caved in where the water pipe

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 was sticking oh yeah and so what you saw was the actual infrastructure holding up

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 the subgrade and then everything around it had settled yes ma'am yes ma'am very

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 close though mm-hmm all right any other questions

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 thank you

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 good morning Brett Bouchard deputy city engineer so we're looking at I believe

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 last month looked at the accidents on the Tickrey Street back in parking so

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 the request came in to look at was there any follow-up accidents or pedestrian

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 vehicle accidents collisions that happened we did confirm with our PD and

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 the report that we pulled these numbers are correct we did look at the different

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 accidents by vehicle and pedestrian or bicyclist and vehicle or bicycles

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 pedestrian we show that there is three total crashes in that time frame one in

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 2017 are three in 2017 one in 2018 and one in 2019 so that's included in this

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 total number of collisions or crashes on the back-end parking can I ask a

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 question about the back-end parking yeah now we I've noticed that there are more

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 people where people are pulling in I don't I'm not saying more people but I'm

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 noticing there's a higher relation that people are pulling in are these crashes

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 related to them backing out or is it have we recognize that these are people

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 that have backed in and they may have had an incident can you can you all tell

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 so the only way we can tell is by looking at how the crashes are are

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 categorized and a lot of times it's categorized to yield right away

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 categorized to yield the left turn turning an unsafe condition and so

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 there's nothing specific that says related to the back-end parking but when

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 I looked at all the crashes on that section Hickory we went through and we

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 looked at all the different what the tags were the way they categorized it

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 and so all the ones that were either a failed to yield turning an unsafe

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 condition those types of related incidences what were keyed in is what

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 we pulled as we related to the back-end parking okay yes I appreciate the the

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 follow-up on the date and I think part of the reason that I asked for in our

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 previous discussion was is it accomplishing the the goal of you know

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 getting towards what in later years became vision zero in terms of fatalities

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 and error incidences not even fatalities but and so I guess reviewing

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 the data before the meeting do we have a feel for what the ratio of pedestrian

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 vehicle interactions are in the downtown quarter in general because this is so

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 low that's essentially random edge case and and so essentially let's say one

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 could argue it's working great there's there's hardly any pedestrian vehicle

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 interactions but we would only know that if we knew the level pedestrian vehicle

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 interactions in general in the region as to whether this area and and it's going

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 to be really tricky because not everything is the same as Hickory

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 because of all the use that they have so that I'm realizing that there's a lot of

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 noise in this is in the equations are there do we have a feel for what the

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 general level of pedestrian vehicle interactions are because my sense is if

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 it's basically zero you could argue this is working and and that's sort of what

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 I'm asking so I think you know the way that you might be able to answer that

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 question our approach is people don't want to get new crashes they'll do they

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 they'll do they'll adapt to whatever the road situation is and you can see that

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 from the data where in the earlier years there was a higher collision rate or more

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 crashes because people weren't used to the road condition and as people have

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 gotten used to that road condition they've adapted and fit in to avoid

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 collisions I know I've driven down Hickory Creek out Hickory Street went

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 down there on Monday not relatively regularly there's a lot of pedestrians a

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 lot of people that's a busy road to see this few crashes I think that's you know

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 reflective of the character of the road and people driving a safe behavior and

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 pedestrians acting a safe behavior so when we've actually had a couple of

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 Friday Friday report requests come in about putting some additional signage or

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 some additional crosswalk or elimination on Hickory Creek and we are looking at

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 putting in let pedestrian signs making that more pedestrian friendly corridor

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 to kind of slow make drivers more aware that pedestrians might not cross at just

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 the crosswalks but anywhere on the roadway so we're doing things to make

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 drivers aware of that situation it's not a high number of crashes a very crashes

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 you know a lot of statistics right you can't ever get to zero yeah so it's um

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 it's a tool in our toolbox as to what we can use on other roadways and we want to

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 develop other roadways it's we get community feedback as to what they like

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 what people the community wants it does not want and we can also look at the

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 number of tickets that are written in as you you know Councilmember Bird was

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 saying is that people are still pulling in instead of backing it and there's

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 enforcement signs there so we have enforced throughout the years written a

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 numerous number of tickets for people parking in the wrong direction now I

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 appreciate all that follow-up I guess I think it's clear that there's at least a

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 I don't know if they're a majority or minority but there's there's it's clear

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 that there's a vocal group of citizens that are uncomfortable with either the

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 change aspect or or just the scenario period and the reason I think you see the

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 the policy leaders asking the questions is if we're going to go away from that

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 comparability factor then we need to have the data that suggests it is is a

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 viable tool but seeing four accidents in eight years is I I feel like it does

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 feel like it's sounding like a viable tool if there's been four pedestrian

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 collisions in eight years I think that's that's a good indication yeah and

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 everything that we're trying all these different pilot projects we're doing is

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 just adding tools to our toolbox so we every situation is unique we have to

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 look at the conditions and the context of it before we choose what might work

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 in that area and so this is just another tool in our toolbox of okay what does the

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 roadway look like we've gotten some lessons learned we've talked internally

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 about the way that it's functioning about the issues that we're seeing with

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 it the feedback we're getting it so there's definitely lessons learned that

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 we would know to change going forward if we want to use this type of measure on

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 a different roadway I would just add to that Brett that I think in order to

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 actually see whether or not you know this is an example or a certain area

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 this is you know the right design you're asking kind of overall downtown I think

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 we would need to collect the data and look at the accident information of

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 other surrounding roadways to do some kind of comparison whether it is we

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 collect data whether it is we go back and pull the same exact sample for roadways

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 that have either parallel or front in parking around the square before you

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 would want to say that this is working in comparison to other situations you

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 could have similar situations and we don't have that level of information

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 right now to tell you that back in parking is safer or is working in a

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 different mode than front end parking or then parallel parking so when you ask

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 what's happening in the downtown and what people are comfortable with they've

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 adapted to the current situation they haven't necessarily said we like this

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 better than we like that there's always going to be people that like different

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 things but in order to actually understand what's going on in the overall

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 downtown and some of that may even come from the downtown parking study but in

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 order to understand that we would want to pull exactly the same information for

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 the surrounding areas and evaluate it before you could actually do an apples

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 to apples comparison no that's why I ask if we had that data available in the

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 area I'm hesitant to ask for on the matrix because I don't know if it gives

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 us anything because we have no other back projects at the moment so I I just

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 I guess I'm asking for us to if there's bandwidth available in the future as a

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 lowest priority item if we can you know see the kind of data that Becky just

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 mentioned that but I mean it since there's no capital projects involved in

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 something like that then I feel uncomfortable at this time asking for

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 for much effort in that direction understood okay all right next up is

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 speeding on Morris so Morris Street we do have driver feedback signs on Morris

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 Street located between Lakey Street and Newton Street one in each direction we

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 have been collecting data on Morris Street for quite a while now we know

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 there is a relatively higher average speed about 36 miles per hour believe on

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 a 30 mile an hour roadway we do have funding from DCTA trip project to do a

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 traffic calming project on Morris Street we have been talking with the community

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 have there's a couple of community meetings that were held to get an idea

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 of what the community would like to see and how that roadway would be developed

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 or modified to calm the traffic on that roadway we were still in that scoping

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 and planning phase we don't have a clear direction as to what we're going to do

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 on that road but we do have the funding to do a striping traffic calming type of

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 project to change the so to hopefully reduce the speeds on the roadway in

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 addition to that we also have the driver feedback sign program that is being

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 developed and being worked on to help you know move driver feedback signs

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 around the city and slow down traffic question yes what kind of feedback did

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 you get from the community as to what they thought they would like to see

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 there have we had anything that's concrete the first the first meeting

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 that we held we presented a couple different roadways in the city Hickory

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 Street Hinkle old north some other roadways where we've done traffic calming

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 on them the response was they don't like any of them don't do anything to the

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 roadway just slow people down which makes it very hard to slow people down

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 we can't anything right and then we had a follow-up community meeting where

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 they're much more open to doing bike lanes and ballers and stuff like that so

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 we're we've gotten two very mixed responses and so we're working through

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 okay what what direction are we going to go in did they say anything about a

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 turning lane in the middle and I don't believe anything but a turning lane at

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 our recent Southeast neighborhood Association meeting Julie brought in

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 some visuals to show I think it's hard for people to just there's some people

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 that just can't make a decision without seeing it and so I think that that was

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 that was very helpful for them to see the crosswalks you know what kind of

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 crosswalks would you like to see it Lakey and Morris particularly that's a

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 busy corner there so I'm sure you all get with her to see what she found out

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 about what they'd like to have in that in those turns but I was under the

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 impression that maybe a turn signal you know just to narrow the road a middle

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 lane turn you know maybe viable but that's what I've heard I didn't know if

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 it was sent to you all in whatever kind of way all right thank you thank you for

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 more Street oh also the check the you know what I'm gonna put that engaged in

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 I'm not gonna worry about that right here I'll just put it through engaged in

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 yeah I was just gonna mention we have been coordinating with Julie and her team

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 along with transportation services and some of the other feedback we received

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 is in relation to Tomas Rivera and when schools getting out the amount of cars

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 that are stacking in order to pick up their children in that area so there's a

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 lot of competing factors in that area and so we're evaluating those looking at

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 what is the right way or the best way and what we committed to the community

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 was coming back within the next six months as far as presenting several

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 different options and plans so Julie was working on kind of scoping some of those

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 different options to see if there's anything that you know sunk in or

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 someone really liked or attached to and so definitely several different options

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 will be brought back but I just wanted to mention that parking and stacking

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 during those times of drop-off and specifically pick up was one of the

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 major topics that was discussed yeah because it's kind of stacking all the way

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 back up to Woodrow that's correct yeah it does push back work yes sir just

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 because we we brought that up and it's it's common for all of our elementary

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 schools throughout the city where we have these these pick up and drop off

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 stacking issues if is there a policy guideline that you could point us to in

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 terms of our policies regarding mobility design around elementary that I could

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 educate myself about for what we're doing in that regard I think what would

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 be best is if we get to future agenda items if you ask that specific question

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 so we can add it to the agenda there is a lot of coordination that goes on from

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 the development services team when new schools come into play existing schools

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 are different because we work to retrofit or find other ways but definitely

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 something I think that could be brought back as a future item as to how

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 development services and transportation services evaluate those all right next

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 one up is the traffic assumptions for the Bell Eagle Bell locusts Eagle Bell

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 Dallas roundabout that's a mistake so we contracted HDR for the roundabout and we

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 gave them the 2040 comprehensive plan to look at the growth projections and then

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 they also use the tent the Texas text dot responses for the actually have a

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 future planning document that says what your growth projection should be for the

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 metro area and out years so that you use a comp plan for the in years and your

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 outer years use the the tech stock standard the cog standard so the growth

00:20:20.120 --> 00:20:24.660
 projections for 20 from 2020 to 2024 using the comp plan was one was three

00:20:24.660 --> 00:20:28.640
 point one nine percent looking out at the future growth beyond that looked at

00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:32.080
 three percent based on text that recommendation and then an out year and

00:20:32.080 --> 00:20:36.520
 then looked at further years out we use I think about two percent I believe was

00:20:36.520 --> 00:20:40.000
 the text that recommendation so we've looked at different standards we gave we

00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:45.680
 provided the final copy of the report to on the as an attachment and it showed

00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:51.320
 that even using the the projections of we had if we did a 2% projection

00:20:51.320 --> 00:20:55.320
 starting this year of growth the roundabout would be out of function in

00:20:55.320 --> 00:20:59.840
 2030 is what the report showed is that we couldn't even get it functioning at

00:20:59.840 --> 00:21:08.560
 that that time question yes no I really appreciate the the backup in the report

00:21:08.560 --> 00:21:13.080
 I will admit that I haven't had it there's there's a lot of data in there

00:21:13.080 --> 00:21:18.120
 and I haven't had a chance I mean dating in in excess of what we saw at the when

00:21:18.120 --> 00:21:23.320
 we reviewed this for council so I haven't had a chance so in I will I will

00:21:23.320 --> 00:21:28.280
 ask forbearance while I work through it if I may ask for questions on a future

00:21:28.280 --> 00:21:34.460
 matrix but I'm digesting it now but I really I really appreciate the additional

00:21:34.460 --> 00:21:38.400
 data thank you yes of course thank you and then want to give an update on the

00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:41.960
 citywide speed study so last year to the citywide speed study we brought that

00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:46.960
 forward we changed a lot speed limits on numerous city owned roadways and we had

00:21:46.960 --> 00:21:51.320
 the numerous recommendations on text on roadways we did submit those all off to

00:21:51.320 --> 00:21:54.800
 text last winter we've gone back and forth a couple of times with them

00:21:54.800 --> 00:21:58.440
 throughout the spring we're just now getting responses back we've gotten

00:21:58.440 --> 00:22:01.640
 responses back on a handful of roadways that they agree with that we can change

00:22:01.640 --> 00:22:05.560
 the speed limit so we have updated we have a redline ordinance that we're

00:22:05.560 --> 00:22:09.440
 updating I got a couple got a couple responses back on Friday of ones they

00:22:09.440 --> 00:22:12.840
 declined but they gave us comments so we work through those comments we're on a

00:22:12.840 --> 00:22:16.400
 resubmit those and they're still working through the remaining streets that we've

00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:19.720
 submitted so once we get all those comments back we'll bring back one big

00:22:19.720 --> 00:22:23.960
 ordinance revision for the textile roadways instead of bringing back smaller

00:22:23.960 --> 00:22:31.720
 ones updating them one street at a time but our plan is I know you haven't

00:22:31.720 --> 00:22:37.400
 reviewed them and I hear and take that we're going to come back as a package

00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:43.280
 deal where were there anything that jumped out on the declines one of the

00:22:43.280 --> 00:22:50.360
 clients so far is one that we're not it's FM 1515 they declined the the speed

00:22:50.360 --> 00:22:53.520
 limit recommendation we had on it however we know that roadways going to

00:22:53.520 --> 00:22:57.160
 be rebuilt and their comment was after it's rebuilt restudy it and submit

00:22:57.160 --> 00:23:02.000
 again so we're in the middle design of utilities for that so it's it's going to

00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:05.520
 be rebuilt very soon so we're not too much of a heartburn on that one to

00:23:05.520 --> 00:23:08.120
 getting the client because we can change it and we'll change it again once it's

00:23:08.120 --> 00:23:11.960
 reconstructed because the roadway character changes we did have a

00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:15.440
 recommendation one that we were trying to get through is a 17 mile an hour

00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:20.240
 speed reduction on North Locust north of loop 288 and tech stock can't go below

00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:24.860
 15 miles per hour speed reduction we tried to emphasize like hey this is a

00:23:24.860 --> 00:23:27.760
 good reason to do it and they said we can only go down 15 miles per hour so

00:23:27.760 --> 00:23:32.120
 they basically said you can't go down to 45 you can only go down to 50 or

00:23:32.120 --> 00:23:35.400
 something like that I don't remember the exact numbers but we'd have to revise

00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:39.800
 our submittal and we submit it okay that makes sense thank you

00:23:39.800 --> 00:23:56.560
 I look forward to the future report yes all righty Brett's quite a bit taller

00:23:56.560 --> 00:24:04.120
 than I am so let's go through the matrix for a future agenda item so Bonnie

00:24:04.120 --> 00:24:09.880
 Bray and Hickory Creek as you know we bring to you every single meeting Bradshaw

00:24:09.880 --> 00:24:16.480
 and we're requesting to remove along with the accident data from downtown

00:24:16.480 --> 00:24:21.780
 parking although we will note that at some period of time if necessary we'll

00:24:21.780 --> 00:24:25.080
 evaluate if there's additional things that need to be done I'm in the

00:24:25.080 --> 00:24:29.400
 downtown and I think some of that will come from the downtown parking study

00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:34.720
 speeding on Moore Street we're going to remove traffic assumptions we've sent

00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:40.440
 you that information at such time you feel like you've had an opportunity to

00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:43.680
 do the download on all of that and want us to bring it back we're gonna take it

00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:49.560
 off for now and then of course the text that response on speed study we're gonna

00:24:49.560 --> 00:24:53.080
 remove and we'll bring back at a future date so we'll leave it at the bottom of

00:24:53.080 --> 00:25:00.520
 the agenda as Brett works through all of those with textile DCTA presentation I

00:25:00.520 --> 00:25:05.120
 know we talked a little bit about the abundance didn't letter that was

00:25:05.120 --> 00:25:10.360
 received I have taken that information and sent it over to Paul Christina with

00:25:10.360 --> 00:25:15.160
 DCTA and they are preparing a presentation currently and will be

00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:20.480
 making a beer first work session item on November 7th I believe I know it's on

00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:23.800
 November 7th I can't remember if it's the first one or not but you will hear

00:25:23.800 --> 00:25:27.440
 from Paul Christina and he is aware of that information that was received so

00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:33.520
 have passed that along so instead of us making a presentation here because you

00:25:33.520 --> 00:25:35.960
 are both members of the council we're just gonna wait and let that

00:25:35.960 --> 00:25:40.680
 presentation be made at the council meeting and if there's any questions in

00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:47.440
 advance that you'd like for us to find out please feel free to submit those

00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:54.520
 actually that were essentially you're asking for nine to be off as well eight

00:25:54.520 --> 00:26:00.680
 and nine yes we're asking for eight and nine because we have prepared actually

00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:04.880
 yes that's incorrect we're not gonna bring that back as a future staff report

00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:08.760
 I apologize that's my mistake we're gonna we've sent that information over

00:26:08.760 --> 00:26:13.080
 DCTA that's not really something that we can speak to or respond to and we pass

00:26:13.080 --> 00:26:18.800
 that information along so we will allow DCTA to make whatever comments that

00:26:18.800 --> 00:26:22.400
 they would like during that time frame and I would just recommend that if

00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:26.440
 there's specific questions or comments that you have in advance of the DCTA

00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:31.320
 presentation on the seventh once you receive the work session packet and

00:26:31.320 --> 00:26:36.320
 information I assume on Friday that you ask or prepare any questions that you

00:26:36.320 --> 00:26:40.120
 might have and you may already have some so that those can be addressed by mr.

00:26:40.120 --> 00:26:47.880
 Christine on the seventh and speaking to that I'm gonna be going on the DCTA

00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:54.520
 route presentation today awesome they're gonna pick us up up the Hickory station

00:26:54.520 --> 00:26:59.400
 fantastic and we're supposed to tour they're gonna drop us back off at about

00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:03.640
 6 p.m. sounds great so that sounds like it's gonna be very exciting enjoy your

00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:12.960
 day I hope you brought your umbrella awesome okay so last meeting also we

00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:17.920
 talked about the pedestrian and bicycle safety audit concerns that'll come as a

00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:21.400
 future staff memo if there's specific things that we want to bring to you but

00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:27.880
 realize that there are we did receive the email from miss rumor and then we

00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:32.040
 also will bring that back through the audit process when there's a follow-up

00:27:32.040 --> 00:27:35.680
 so we're gonna leave that on the agenda because we know there'll be future times

00:27:35.680 --> 00:27:39.200
 that we want to be able to come back to you and speak on that specifically yes

00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:44.160
 sir thank you chair the one of the things that I think has come up in the

00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:53.320
 interim and I'm not I don't recall miss rumors exact items but I'm one of the

00:27:53.320 --> 00:27:59.960
 things that come up in terms of bicycle and pedestrian safety is whether we are

00:27:59.960 --> 00:28:05.240
 going to engage in separate mobility planning for this came up in DC RC the

00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:09.120
 other day and other locations of whether we're going to engage in separate

00:28:09.120 --> 00:28:15.440
 mobility planning for side paths especially ones that are not necessarily

00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:21.160
 adjacent to or separable from the roadway and so I don't know if that would

00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:25.560
 be part of this discussion we need to be a separate discussion and that I guess

00:28:25.560 --> 00:28:30.520
 I'm really throwing that back to you is form for side path mobility and trail

00:28:30.520 --> 00:28:37.200
 mobility are is that part of this discussion in terms of the same sorts of

00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:42.800
 roadway mobility planning that we always do for everything are we considering for

00:28:42.800 --> 00:28:48.360
 this bicycle and safety audit that that separability concept where you know we're

00:28:48.360 --> 00:28:54.240
 we're doing mobility planning on this trail as you know destination planning

00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:59.520
 all the other things that they go in it separately than roadways or not and is

00:28:59.520 --> 00:29:03.920
 that part of this or should should I be requesting that as a separate matrix

00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:10.700
 item so let me answer that the best way that I know how so the mobility plan has

00:29:10.700 --> 00:29:15.600
 three components to it as you're aware a thoroughfare plan a bicycle plan and

00:29:15.600 --> 00:29:19.080
 then of course a pedestrian plan so there are three different layers to that

00:29:19.080 --> 00:29:23.280
 along with that there was coordination with the parks trails master plan that

00:29:23.280 --> 00:29:29.760
 is specific to their side paths and infrastructure that is not in concert

00:29:29.760 --> 00:29:33.640
 with what would happen along a roadway so there's constant coordination and

00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:39.000
 correlation between those two documents obviously we want a side path to connect

00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:45.080
 to a location where folks can get from a roadway to a side path so there's going

00:29:45.080 --> 00:29:49.280
 to be caught that constant correlation so I think as far as mobility we're

00:29:49.280 --> 00:29:55.400
 looking at it as a whole so there's conversation and of course coordination

00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:58.880
 with the parks department so think of their specific things that you're seeing

00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:02.960
 from a side path perspective or questions that come up those need to be

00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:06.040
 addressed at the same time they are being evaluated with the bicycle and

00:30:06.040 --> 00:30:14.520
 pedestrian concerns do do we have and I can't think of any right now but do we

00:30:14.520 --> 00:30:21.520
 we have any non no they would all be just considered trails I'll answer my

00:30:21.520 --> 00:30:25.920
 question for myself but I'll finish anyway do we have any side paths that

00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:31.200
 are not trails that are not considered trails they're just in sort of your

00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:36.920
 domain in in in capital projects and engineering there's nothing that's

00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:40.880
 coming to my head at the moment I'm not thinking of anything either okay so and

00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:47.440
 I guess the reason I bring that up is the the the vector of sort of feedback

00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:52.760
 and why it may or may not relate to Susie's concerns sorry misrumors audit

00:30:52.760 --> 00:31:01.240
 concerns is that's the same sort of mapping and destination planning it's

00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:07.200
 not necessarily a trail it is is it a it is really more of a mobility argument so

00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:10.960
 I will take under you know advisement that this this should be brought up except

00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:17.480
 excuse me as a separate matrix item or here I guess that's my my my question is

00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:23.280
 is if I want to bring this up as a separate matrix item or here and and and

00:31:23.280 --> 00:31:30.880
 and you can you can advise me on that you know mobility as it is itself not

00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:36.320
 necessarily recreational mobility so if it's not specifically related to

00:31:36.320 --> 00:31:39.160
 something that came up during the bike pet audit then I would recommend that

00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:42.920
 you bring it up as a separate item and then let staff determine whether or not

00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:46.640
 there's a correlation between that and what was a part of the bike pet audit

00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:52.240
 fair and then I'll probably get my ducks in a row then and ask for very specific

00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:59.200
 questions at the next meeting no problem thank you so bike etiquette was one of

00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:02.000
 the topics that was discussed we're gonna be working with transportation

00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:07.920
 services and bringing that back at the next meeting on the 29th along with the

00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:12.720
 corner of Moore Street and Woodrow that was a specific question about a signal

00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:17.800
 in that location and so we'll be bringing that back and we are currently

00:32:17.800 --> 00:32:22.800
 working on some GIS efforts to map sidewalks and bike corridors that is

00:32:22.800 --> 00:32:27.760
 taking some time and because some of those elements have never been mapped so

00:32:27.760 --> 00:32:32.360
 that'll come back in a future conversation the downtown parking study

00:32:32.360 --> 00:32:37.440
 I know you're seeing lots of information we did provide an update back in August

00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:40.320
 but we will provide additional update but I know you're seeing a lot of

00:32:40.320 --> 00:32:44.200
 information out there on social media currently about the downtown parking

00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:48.520
 study so we encourage you to share that and the citywide parking study is

00:32:48.520 --> 00:32:52.360
 actually out on the street right now so we're waiting to receive information

00:32:52.360 --> 00:32:57.840
 back on that too and of course those two are working together as similar

00:32:57.840 --> 00:33:02.600
 information as being asked on both of those whether it be citywide or specific

00:33:02.600 --> 00:33:08.800
 to downtown and then Ryan Road we will work to continue to bring something

00:33:08.800 --> 00:33:12.580
 forward as soon as that's available and as you know we have that project on hold

00:33:12.580 --> 00:33:17.880
 until we get through Hickory Creek I have a question about number 14 okay sure

00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:24.600
 it is update oh I skipped it I apologize yeah what is that so that is the update

00:33:24.600 --> 00:33:33.000
 to the spur or the connector as people say between the loop 288 and 380 and what

00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:38.200
 we are going to be doing is holding off on that when John makes his presentation

00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:42.920
 he'll have that map that shows that location but they still have received a

00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:47.920
 tremendous amount of public feedback and public comment from when they held the

00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:52.080
 public hearing along with text dot reviewing all of that comment with the

00:33:52.080 --> 00:33:57.040
 consultant at this time also the city has had some comments associated with

00:33:57.040 --> 00:34:00.960
 that there's not a clear path forward and not information to bring forward yet

00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:06.480
 so that's why it's just on this message as a future item when John fills its

00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:11.760
 partner along with text out in the city John will have someone come as a part of

00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:15.360
 his presentation and bring that information forward but it's not ready

00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:22.920
 to go live at this point so it's still a graphical representation yes ma'am well

00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:30.200
 I'm still having to get used to the fact that 288 does go past 380 you know I was

00:34:30.200 --> 00:34:35.440
 thinking 288 to 35 and in not remembering there's another 288 yeah so

00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:41.040
 that's on me no problem that so what other items do you have that might you

00:34:41.040 --> 00:34:44.440
 might like to have added to the matrix we want to make sure that we get those

00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:50.160
 down okay the one that we we just talked about a few minutes ago if I could get

00:34:50.160 --> 00:34:55.520
 some information to to either this committee or council whichever way you

00:34:55.520 --> 00:35:00.720
 want to do it sure about our policies regarding design around schools because

00:35:00.720 --> 00:35:04.520
 it's a pretty old issue and we're constantly bringing in these school

00:35:04.520 --> 00:35:09.360
 stacking questions to you all the time and and I feel like some of that could

00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:14.040
 be mitigated if we had a better understanding and can communicate that

00:35:14.040 --> 00:35:19.260
 understanding back to the public through our bully pulpit mechanisms I think that

00:35:19.260 --> 00:35:23.920
 would be helpful if we had some you know policy guidelines that we could review

00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:28.680
 and educate ourselves about that was one and then I don't know this is quite

00:35:28.680 --> 00:35:37.920
 reaches the level of matrix item but I'll bring it up here sure and that is in the

00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:42.680
 2019 bond program is especially in the as it's gone through the north parts of

00:35:42.680 --> 00:35:47.480
 town where they've been lowering the grade of the gas lines to do the

00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:53.120
 intersection or in for the future renovations of the roadbed we've been

00:35:53.120 --> 00:35:55.960
 getting all right I don't know if Vicki has but I've been getting a lot of

00:35:55.960 --> 00:36:01.600
 feedback and I think some of the other counselors have to saying yes we got the

00:36:01.600 --> 00:36:06.480
 letter like a month or six weeks in advance of when they actually started

00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:11.400
 doing it what but maybe this is just a question what is our policy for our

00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:16.120
 contractors in terms of when they actually notify people about start of

00:36:16.120 --> 00:36:23.760
 starting construction is it just the letter that we sent out or or do they do

00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:28.680
 a in five days we're gonna start or in 48 hours we're gonna start kind of notice

00:36:28.680 --> 00:36:33.200
 so it varies so I think it'd be best for us to bring that back to you because it

00:36:33.200 --> 00:36:36.720
 depends on whether it's internal crews whether it's one of our utility

00:36:36.720 --> 00:36:42.200
 contractors whether it's one of our franchise utility contractors so there's

00:36:42.200 --> 00:36:46.280
 a lot of information that's presented when those public meetings happen with

00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:50.360
 the residents and so I think it'd be best if we bring that information back

00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:56.080
 to you specifically and kind of talk through what is the typical pattern that

00:36:56.080 --> 00:37:01.960
 happens so that sounds fine so I'll ask for that to be and I'll provide just a

00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:08.360
 little more context to the ask and that is in general the the neighbors that are

00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:13.160
 there they're not they understand they want the road beds fixed they want the

00:37:13.160 --> 00:37:18.520
 gas lines fixed all that nobody's I mean everybody's understanding that it's

00:37:18.520 --> 00:37:24.840
 gonna be discombobulating while we're in process they are what they don't like is

00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:28.960
 the surprise and they all admit to me when I talked to them on the phone yeah

00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:35.080
 we got the letter so they're not truly surprised but they're surprised when it

00:37:35.080 --> 00:37:40.300
 commences sure and that's the part that they find discomforting it you know so

00:37:40.300 --> 00:37:46.000
 if we could get some clarity on when and perhaps so then we can decide whether

00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:51.120
 new policy directives need to be done I would love that absolutely thank you for

00:37:51.120 --> 00:37:56.840
 the feedback and we'd be happy to bring that back anything okay already then we

00:37:56.840 --> 00:38:01.360
 will close this item and move on to the next thing we'll let you call the other

00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:07.880
 item all right well we'll go back to be item MC to three there's zero four six

00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:12.280
 receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the city of the end

00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:20.280
 transportation wait a minute it's a very one mobility status report mr. John

00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:28.600
 Polster he's here looking good everybody good morning I'm a little taller than

00:38:28.600 --> 00:38:55.000
 Becky so on on 35 North job the you see there's a bunch of dates here they're

00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:58.840
 ready to let dates the four late dates correlate with the four different

00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:07.520
 projects north of 77 you'll notice that they're all roughly in 2024 which is

00:39:07.520 --> 00:39:11.600
 when they'll be ready to let we have the full funding of eight hundred and one

00:39:11.600 --> 00:39:18.680
 million dollars for these four projects the different let dates you see actually

00:39:18.680 --> 00:39:21.800
 showing the let date columns are their current let dates based on where those

00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:28.680
 dollars are put in the 10-year unified transportation plan so there are

00:39:28.680 --> 00:39:35.240
 opportunities to move some of these projects up if there's room in the UTP

00:39:35.240 --> 00:39:41.040
 for that cycle when we come through next year to update it if we're ready they

00:39:41.040 --> 00:39:47.480
 can move those up but essentially everything north of 370s I mean 77 is

00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:55.240
 fully funded at eight hundred million dollars and we'll be ready to let by

00:39:55.240 --> 00:40:03.440
 next year and that goes to six lanes so six lane main lanes and then two lane

00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:10.120
 frontage roads all the designs is almost done we've got most of the right away

00:40:10.120 --> 00:40:14.800
 acquired and the critical path items are the utilities and we're working

00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:18.320
 constantly with each of those utility providers to make sure they hit their

00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:26.120
 marks I have a question on that one you bet you I apologize I just wanted to

00:40:26.120 --> 00:40:33.560
 confirm or clarify where I see it starts at the 288 35 and where is that where

00:40:33.560 --> 00:40:40.360
 does it in is that Milam that's all the way up on County Road 3008 or 3007 it's

00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:47.840
 in 2002 it's one of those numbers but it ends at the county line so it goes into

00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:53.120
 it goes into two what is that Grayson or cook up there it goes into another

00:40:53.120 --> 00:41:00.080
 textile district actually okay so all the way through Denton County 35 north of

00:41:00.080 --> 00:41:12.400
 Denton will be six lanes no ma'am just the six lanes general purpose now this is

00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:19.920
 the merge project and it's 35 E and W north to 77 where the other project

00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:29.680
 starts so it's about 500 million dollars and this project will go under the knife

00:41:29.680 --> 00:41:37.040
 in April so come April everything from the merge basically everything in

00:41:37.040 --> 00:41:45.080
 Denton will be under construction and it'll be the ultimate design so from

00:41:45.080 --> 00:41:51.360
 where 35 E picks up all the way to 380 with they will be building the told

00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:56.760
 managed lane components they will not be activating them because we don't have a

00:41:56.760 --> 00:42:01.840
 toll manage line to the south of there but the bridge structures the pavement

00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:08.920
 and all of the the necessities will be there for the future and it'll go to six

00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:14.880
 lanes with three two two three two frontage roads which means that you'll

00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:19.160
 have two lanes as you leave across street and then an auxiliary line will

00:42:19.160 --> 00:42:24.320
 come on at the exit ramp stay on the frontage road a third lane and then as

00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:29.320
 the entrance ramp goes on to the freeway it'll drop off and go back to two so it

00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:35.660
 goes two three two throughout the corridor and that's a in your more urban

00:42:35.660 --> 00:42:41.280
 areas that's a traffic control situation so that the main lanes get impacted or

00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:48.400
 you want to go in an in-town movement but you don't want to ride the frontage

00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:51.640
 road you can get on the main lanes get off come on back and forth and it allows

00:42:51.640 --> 00:42:56.040
 the traffic to flow better and again it's going to go under the knife in

00:42:56.040 --> 00:43:02.600
 April and that's assuming all these utilities get completed but city of

00:43:02.600 --> 00:43:09.720
 Denton is on track one other thing I wanted to bring up is we have the

00:43:09.720 --> 00:43:15.880
 aesthetics from the city and we've got comments back from text art from the

00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:19.880
 Dallas bridge section back to the city and so we're working out all the

00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:25.540
 aesthetic issues that are going through y'all's normal aesthetic process to be

00:43:25.540 --> 00:43:33.000
 included in the in the project once it goes to construction will the will we

00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:38.640
 have an opportunity to see the aesthetics before they're finalized so we

00:43:38.640 --> 00:43:46.000
 can make a comment on them or not we as in City Council members and currently

00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:50.720
 don't have that in the plan although you will see the plans come through through

00:43:50.720 --> 00:43:55.080
 an AFA agreement with text art and an interlocal agreement there's two

00:43:55.080 --> 00:44:01.760
 competing situations going on one is specific information related to

00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:06.280
 aesthetics that the city would be paying for through the parks department and the

00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:11.840
 the parks art fund and then the other is TWU going through their board of regents

00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:15.920
 to make a determination as far as the financial obligation that they want to

00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:21.080
 make for the aesthetics that they actually have planned and we've been

00:44:21.080 --> 00:44:25.840
 working on we're happy to bring that forward if council wants to see that

00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:30.320
 level of information I'll think about what's the best way to do that we might

00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:35.640
 submit it in a Friday report maybe that's a or an ISR type situation but we

00:44:35.640 --> 00:44:38.800
 can definitely work through that so I'll get with Seth and Trevor and find out

00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:43.440
 what way is best to be able to receive some feedback we're on the very tail end

00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:48.440
 of it's been designed we're on the very tail end of that and wanting to make

00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:54.480
 sure it works through the process and in order for it all to be a part of the

00:44:54.480 --> 00:45:00.600
 project it has to have all of its documents completed through council and

00:45:00.600 --> 00:45:07.560
 funding to text art in January so we are on the very tail end so that's why I

00:45:07.560 --> 00:45:11.000
 said maybe a Friday report or something is better than trying to get on a

00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:14.480
 council agenda so we'll work through that thank you

00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:21.120
 yes ma'am yes sir are you are you done with this item because I'm gonna ask

00:45:21.120 --> 00:45:25.120
 chairs indulgence I missed a note of mine on the previous item so whenever

00:45:25.120 --> 00:45:34.160
 you're done okay I'd love to boom great that that ball of our water yeah they're

00:45:34.160 --> 00:45:45.320
 not kind of coordinating with you what is the what are the implications for for

00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:50.720
 test stop in the city in terms of you know the project completion times and

00:45:50.720 --> 00:45:54.640
 the utility movements and things like that I mean obviously the project is

00:45:54.640 --> 00:45:59.060
 gonna go forward but what is it what does it mean when when you hit a bump in

00:45:59.060 --> 00:46:03.300
 the road like this so whenever I get a notice that says somebody's not

00:46:03.300 --> 00:46:09.040
 responding tech start gives that to me and I go do my Guido stuff and so we go

00:46:09.040 --> 00:46:15.120
 meet with ball of water and we tear them up we threaten them we buy them off

00:46:15.120 --> 00:46:19.160
 whatever we got to do because I got a eight hundred million dollar job that we

00:46:19.160 --> 00:46:26.840
 can't hold up so I just got this notice last week I'm gonna give a judge eats to

00:46:26.840 --> 00:46:31.320
 see what he wants to do and we go sit down and ask him what the problem is

00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:36.600
 they tell us what the problem is if it's a money thing we take care of it if it's

00:46:36.600 --> 00:46:43.240
 some other third thing you try to take care of it but we just deal with it

00:46:43.240 --> 00:46:48.800
 aggressively but from our perspective here in the city just don't be on the

00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:55.560
 list yeah and and really this is this is this is something we can be aware of but

00:46:55.560 --> 00:47:00.760
 as yes so no action items for us no not for y'all y'all action items are in your

00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:08.620
 utility coordination so in all of these there is a city component for y'all when

00:47:08.620 --> 00:47:13.800
 that's why we started these quarterly actually we meet monthly now mobility

00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:17.740
 meetings with textile we bring in the district we bring in the area office we

00:47:17.740 --> 00:47:22.680
 bring in the utility coordinators and we make sure the city of Denton is not on

00:47:22.680 --> 00:47:29.480
 that naughty list right because it has ramifications and the main ramifications

00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:32.840
 is if you can't get your projects ready you're not going to get any more

00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:38.800
 projects that's what started this whole thing back in the day when we were doing

00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:46.840
 2499 2181 the and then we wanted Buc-E's to come in right there was a lot of

00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:52.080
 things that the city needed and the state was reluctant at the time to

00:47:52.080 --> 00:47:56.240
 provide any more projects in the city because they weren't able to deliver the

00:47:56.240 --> 00:48:01.520
 projects they had different regime I don't think I'd see anybody here that was

00:48:01.520 --> 00:48:07.720
 here then and so we had a lot of come to Jesus meetings then so you just it's

00:48:07.720 --> 00:48:12.000
 best to stay off the list but it won't have any impact because the reason the

00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:16.840
 county gets involved with the project delivery is to make sure they hit their

00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:25.560
 marks so there's things that a county can do that text I can't I appreciate

00:48:25.560 --> 00:48:34.240
 that clarity mr. when I know you better I'll tell you what I tell my kids when

00:48:34.240 --> 00:48:43.920
 they ask me what I do for a little bit okay Mayhill at 35 this is the big job

00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:51.120
 well you can't see it on the map okay so what we're doing is just for

00:48:51.120 --> 00:48:56.220
 clarification or recap when we did the 288 job we did the southbound and

00:48:56.220 --> 00:49:01.360
 frontage road between 288 Mayhill and the brinker interchange now that we're

00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:04.720
 doing Mayhill we're going to do the frontage road from Mayhill to 288

00:49:04.720 --> 00:49:11.000
 northbound which wasn't done previously and we're going to do a grade separation

00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:17.880
 or a bypass lane over a brinker so that when you're going from Mayhill to 288 or

00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:23.160
 288 to Mayhill you don't have to stop at the light at Bucky's anymore you'll be

00:49:23.160 --> 00:49:29.160
 able to go up parallel at the same elevation as the main lanes and then drop

00:49:29.160 --> 00:49:38.160
 back down to go to 288 or drop back down to go to Mayhill yes the interchange

00:49:38.160 --> 00:49:44.400
 itself at Mayhill will be 12 lanes of traffic unlike 288 which is only 10 so

00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:51.480
 it'll be a significantly larger structure and we are working on a lot of

00:49:51.480 --> 00:50:00.760
 utilities that's the critical path item we are have a lot of atlas continues to

00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:10.640
 be our big problem on all of our projects and we just get in and talk to

00:50:10.640 --> 00:50:14.880
 them about it but they are critical path item on this job and the date that we're

00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:19.880
 getting for ready to let that February 2024 is the date that Atlus is given

00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:29.600
 that they'll be done and we'll see we meet with them every month on it but

00:50:29.600 --> 00:50:33.720
 it's a hundred and twenty five million dollar project it started out at about

00:50:33.720 --> 00:50:39.380
 fifty and then we added things that we knew we had to add like the bypass at

00:50:39.380 --> 00:50:45.160
 Brinker and then cost escalations over the last from 2018 to this year

00:50:45.160 --> 00:50:55.000
 construction escalation tech stops escalation rate is 88 80% increase so

00:50:55.000 --> 00:51:02.480
 we're ready in February 2024 they don't want to move the let day because they're

00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:09.920
 not necessarily trusting Atmos yet right so if they have to go through some more

00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:15.840
 part of 24 then when we they don't like to move a let date out text doesn't like

00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:21.480
 to move it to a further out month they will move it up so we can move it up but

00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:24.760
 they're not moving it up to their confident that Atmos is going to hit

00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:29.360
 their mark and right now they're the critical path on this project and it

00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:34.920
 seems like every time we speak of Atmos I almost hate to say the name Atmos

00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:40.280
 because I know my our bill seems to go up every every time we could say

00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:45.320
 something about Apple so yeah you all be nice to Atmos for trying for us don't

00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:57.160
 make it easy don't make it easy all right so you're 35 W frontage roads from

00:51:57.160 --> 00:52:05.920
 basically Luke 288 West which is 2449 now down to 407 we've got a ready to let

00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:19.160
 date of September of 2025 the right away all 56 parcels are in some phase of

00:52:19.160 --> 00:52:25.240
 acquisition the over the half of those are in eminent domain which means that

00:52:25.240 --> 00:52:29.560
 the people didn't agree with the values or some of the third thing there's other

00:52:29.560 --> 00:52:36.320
 reasons why you go to condemnation but we only have 18 of the 58 acquired and

00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:42.280
 we are as we're asked to help the county steps in and helps whenever the state

00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:49.480
 asks us to but right away the right away is progressing and it is a 341 million

00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:54.440
 dollar project and we're fairly confident that once we get closer to

00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:58.720
 that let date that some portion of this project will be funded probably in the

00:52:58.720 --> 00:53:03.960
 next unified transportation plan update which is we're in August September

00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:09.480
 October so they just started the next cycle so it'll be next August when we'll

00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:18.280
 know if this project gets additional funding okay and then the section to the

00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:25.800
 east of us that's 380 from 288 to 377 this is the interim project where we're

00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:31.600
 adding to the fifth and sixth lane and it's progressing and it is anticipated

00:53:31.600 --> 00:53:36.680
 on tech stops project report to be completed in January so a couple of

00:53:36.680 --> 00:53:39.560
 months away and if you're out there driving it you see they're pretty close

00:53:39.560 --> 00:53:46.520
 to to being done and we have filled in some questions at least at the county

00:53:46.520 --> 00:53:54.200
 level at the city level of some concerns about the continuous raised median from

00:53:54.200 --> 00:54:03.240
 288 to to May Hill and we're walking the logic with them and understanding that

00:54:03.240 --> 00:54:08.200
 you know the volume of traffic and and that what they're thinking is is it'll

00:54:08.200 --> 00:54:11.520
 act like it is now while it's under construction and right now you're at

00:54:11.520 --> 00:54:20.520
 11-foot lanes the medians protected by barriers so we're walking through that

00:54:20.520 --> 00:54:23.600
 process with everybody but that's the only real complaint we've had is that

00:54:23.600 --> 00:54:27.880
 people don't want to have to turn right they want to turn left and that was the

00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:41.360
 problem all right yeah just send them to textile it's theirs to do

00:54:41.360 --> 00:54:48.080
 288 frontage road this is 288 West project so we designed it's a controlled

00:54:48.080 --> 00:54:52.320
 access facility so it'll be main lanes and frontage roads and grade separations

00:54:52.320 --> 00:55:00.040
 and it's fully designed for that and the right-of-way acquisition will be for a

00:55:00.040 --> 00:55:06.200
 full freeway cross-section but what we're proposing to do initially is build

00:55:06.200 --> 00:55:12.480
 the northbound frontage road first because it's the inside of the circle

00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:16.760
 which means the city can allow all the development to come up adjacent to the

00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:20.680
 roadway and they won't have to change any of their connections because that will

00:55:20.680 --> 00:55:27.000
 be the easterly most connection for the 288 section so they won't have to redo

00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:38.560
 their driveways and etc in the future they'll be set and again it's 200 and

00:55:38.560 --> 00:55:44.200
 it'll be it'll be 300 million by the time we get to 2026 and the reason it

00:55:44.200 --> 00:55:48.760
 taking so long I think I've told you all this that the right-of-way acquisition

00:55:48.760 --> 00:55:53.400
 we had the project cleared in 2020 and we were saying well it's going to take

00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:58.440
 us to 2024 to get all the right-of-way which we usually only do about a year

00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:03.560
 and we only do about a year for utility relocates but it's about a year and a

00:56:03.560 --> 00:56:11.160
 half is because we've gone through a gas field before and you have to deal with

00:56:11.160 --> 00:56:17.960
 those gas wells as both a right-of-way acquisition and a utility relocation all

00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:24.000
 at the same time which drags them out because part of the value of those

00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:29.720
 structures or their transmission lines that move the gas from from the well to

00:56:29.720 --> 00:56:37.760
 the collections areas and they have to be moved and calculated so there's a

00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:42.680
 whole lot of moving parts on that and where we've gone through gas wells

00:56:42.680 --> 00:56:48.920
 fields in the past we've had extended timelines for both the right-of-way and

00:56:48.920 --> 00:56:58.240
 the utility so they're calculating those in in that sort of circumstance just

00:56:58.240 --> 00:57:05.520
 just text up buy them out is that just easier or it's all just relocation so no

00:57:05.520 --> 00:57:12.900
 entity can acquire right-of-way without paying fair market value not more or less

00:57:12.900 --> 00:57:20.280
 they can compensate damages etc and so they don't actually they buy them out if

00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:25.160
 they have to a lot of times they want to be relocated because their revenue

00:57:25.160 --> 00:57:29.080
 generators right and so that's where the right-of-way and the utility comes in

00:57:29.080 --> 00:57:38.040
 at the same time because they are just going to move but unlike a a normal

00:57:38.040 --> 00:57:43.360
 utility they lose revenue as they are down while they're moving so that has to

00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:49.320
 be calculated so it's not only a utility relocation it's a value to the reload so

00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:55.360
 textile there is a formula it's like a parking space for a car dealership

00:57:55.360 --> 00:58:00.200
 textile tried to used to buy that stuff out of you know by the acre and car

00:58:00.200 --> 00:58:04.160
 dealerships over the years won the cases that those each one of those car slots

00:58:04.160 --> 00:58:08.960
 generates a certain amount of revenue because they display a vehicle and so

00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:16.000
 over the time the law leveled out to where if you know you got ten spots in a

00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:21.720
 dealership you know those are going to cost you you know $120,000 a pop or a

00:58:21.720 --> 00:58:27.160
 billboard right a billboard is going to cost you 750 to a million five to buy

00:58:27.160 --> 00:58:34.880
 and $26,000 or will relocate typically when a billboard gets unmoored

00:58:34.880 --> 00:58:40.040
 communities have policies that say you can't come back so when textile wants

00:58:40.040 --> 00:58:45.520
 them to move ten feet in reality they're going away so there's a value set same

00:58:45.520 --> 00:58:49.680
 thing with these gas wells they know historically what it's cost them and so

00:58:49.680 --> 00:58:56.720
 textile won't go beyond that on their own but they can be told to go beyond that

00:58:56.720 --> 00:59:02.840
 by a judge or or a commission for the remnant domain so typically if they can't

00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:09.280
 agree on the value they just simply let somebody else decide the value and it

00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:11.880
 takes a long time

00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:22.840
 okay this is sorry I apologize John a question I've got from from the

00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:27.860
 communities is one of education they're they're very interested as as the

00:59:27.860 --> 00:59:34.720
 project goes across Hickory Creek there I've had some people from UNT and others

00:59:34.720 --> 00:59:40.640
 yeah yeah and I know that we're far out and so I guess CP&Y is gonna do the

00:59:40.640 --> 00:59:46.800
 environmental leader environmental was completed environmental clearance was

00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:53.920
 done in September of 2020 then then just for the record when I started this

00:59:53.920 --> 01:00:01.400
 project I was single skinny and handsome three children and they're all out of

01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:07.480
 college it's taking a long time to get this road to where it is right now then

01:00:07.480 --> 01:00:13.960
 then I guess well what I'll do is I'll figure out how to get a whole CP&Y and

01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:20.040
 get the report they work for me okay so ask me what you want the people were

01:00:20.040 --> 01:00:24.520
 just interested in you know the report in their findings they wouldn't get there

01:00:24.520 --> 01:00:28.280
 so it sort of what was the the biology that they found when they did the

01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:33.360
 environmental and any cultural resources absolutely there's no complaint they

01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:39.120
 just know what the information is so just as a for going forward when you get a

01:00:39.120 --> 01:00:43.980
 question like that you can throw it to whoever but text that you're in the

01:00:43.980 --> 01:00:51.520
 Dallas district the Dallas district has a very good open source internet site

01:00:51.520 --> 01:00:58.560
 called keep it moving Dallas dot org calm not not org it's calm I think it

01:00:58.560 --> 01:01:03.240
 should be work but it's calm and you go in and you think it's an interstate or

01:01:03.240 --> 01:01:07.680
 state highway or whatever there's a list I'm up type you hit that type and all

01:01:07.680 --> 01:01:13.560
 those roads will be listed you hit loop 288 West and then you'll look for

01:01:13.560 --> 01:01:17.080
 anything that says environmental clearance right or environmental

01:01:17.080 --> 01:01:22.080
 assessment you hit that it'll show the report and you can download it or you

01:01:22.080 --> 01:01:25.040
 can just read it right there it'll go it'll get you the schematic you'll

01:01:25.040 --> 01:01:28.480
 everything you want to know that's happened on that project will be in that

01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:38.040
 in that in that report so it's a it's there and yeah we closed that out just

01:01:38.040 --> 01:01:41.400
 as a little bit of the history the reason why it's taken 25 years usually

01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:48.920
 doesn't take 25 years is that right here is the best place for that section of

01:01:48.920 --> 01:01:54.520
 288 to go because before we were way off the map out here which was a

01:01:54.520 --> 01:01:59.760
 significantly higher impact of the Hickory Creek floodplain area and we

01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:03.520
 moved out there because back in the day Denton Airport was going to go to a

01:02:03.520 --> 01:02:08.980
 second runway and they had to have a 5,000 foot displacement from the

01:02:08.980 --> 01:02:14.240
 existing well a state highway has to have a 5,000 foot separation from a

01:02:14.240 --> 01:02:19.520
 runway so we had to be 5,000 feet further from the second runway so what

01:02:19.520 --> 01:02:23.800
 we had it you know halfway through the environmental clearance in the city

01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:28.760
 came back said you know what we changed our mind we're not going to the second

01:02:28.760 --> 01:02:33.640
 runway and you know I talked to the county and I said look the best place

01:02:33.640 --> 01:02:36.480
 for that road was where the second runway was going to be I know we've got

01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:41.040
 a lot of work into this is we're five years into it but we need to start from

01:02:41.040 --> 01:02:46.200
 scratch and so we sucked it in which reduced the crossing of the floodplain

01:02:46.200 --> 01:02:52.720
 and it put it where it needed to go to begin with which was right at that 5,000

01:02:52.720 --> 01:02:57.640
 foot separation from your existing runway reduces the impact to the to the

01:02:57.640 --> 01:03:12.600
 to the flora and 25 years later here we are so this is where we're back he was

01:03:12.600 --> 01:03:16.880
 talking about this area where we're talking about the time between the two

01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:22.320
 380 and 288 since we already know the 380 and everybody's plan is a freeway

01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:32.040
 it makes sense of 288 through freeway to have a some type of a free flowing

01:03:32.040 --> 01:03:43.920
 connection between 380 and 288 this is a pictorial of what Westwood has been

01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:48.680
 working with where we knew knew there was some development going on closer to

01:03:48.680 --> 01:03:59.080
 the the actual loop itself and so they tried to find a way to thread the needle

01:03:59.080 --> 01:04:09.120
 cities going through some study for the north east quadrant and tech start

01:04:09.120 --> 01:04:13.200
 looked at all this and so what I have is a bunch of kids that are fighting on

01:04:13.200 --> 01:04:16.600
 much like each other and so we're I'd say we're gonna have a come to Jesus

01:04:16.600 --> 01:04:21.600
 meeting and I think it's this week sometime or next week I can't remember I

01:04:21.600 --> 01:04:29.080
 think it's next week and we're gonna get in the room and we're gonna find out

01:04:29.080 --> 01:04:35.040
 what the problems are and then so typically when I'm beating somebody up I

01:04:35.040 --> 01:04:38.280
 don't like that it'd be a lot of people right because I don't want to think I'm

01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:41.840
 beating them up because I'm showing I don't want them to beat them up because

01:04:41.840 --> 01:04:47.400
 they need to be beat up so we're gonna beat them up figure out what the art of

01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:51.280
 the possible is then we're gonna come back and meet with Becky staff and then

01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:59.120
 based on that we're gonna bring what we think is the best path forward but right

01:04:59.120 --> 01:05:07.360
 now I got I got arguing engineers that need to be corralled yeah I really

01:05:07.360 --> 01:05:11.200
 appreciate that because you know there's a there's we had the discussion last

01:05:11.200 --> 01:05:16.360
 month of the month before about this and and and and this is this and the outer

01:05:16.360 --> 01:05:22.920
 loop that you'll covered next is are in another soon are causing me as a

01:05:22.920 --> 01:05:28.060
 counselor so much heartburn right now yeah because of all the stakeholders so

01:05:28.060 --> 01:05:32.760
 I'm I'm really following this closely so I'm really interested so we're gonna

01:05:32.760 --> 01:05:38.440
 get down to finally will be we're good well again it won't be the we're

01:05:38.440 --> 01:05:45.000
 anticipating an environmental clearance in 25 and so that's when this alignment

01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:49.920
 is set right anything prior to that if someone tells you they know where that

01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:53.920
 roads going their line to you because if it's not environmentally cleared it's

01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:57.440
 not protected and that's not the alignment you can't buy right away you

01:05:57.440 --> 01:06:03.040
 can't do anything with it it's a it's a line on a map but we're working towards

01:06:03.040 --> 01:06:09.840
 that and what we have to do in order to get to that point is you have to consider

01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:15.160
 the environment floor and fauna we got to include the public and the process

01:06:15.160 --> 01:06:19.880
 and we can't violate any of your property rights right that's why it takes

01:06:19.880 --> 01:06:22.680
 so long I mean you don't let me make me not have to do any of those three things

01:06:22.680 --> 01:06:28.400
 and we'll build you that road tomorrow but that's not the way it works so this

01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:37.040
 is an iterative process so the engineers went crazy on wild alignments and there

01:06:37.040 --> 01:06:43.080
 was like 13 of them at one point and every alignment you show is a new group

01:06:43.080 --> 01:06:55.080
 of people to deal with right so you I appreciate creativity but not at the

01:06:55.080 --> 01:06:59.200
 expense of trauma right so we're gonna we're gonna get it we're gonna get it

01:06:59.200 --> 01:07:05.080
 back into the realm of reality and it'll reduce the number of people that are

01:07:05.080 --> 01:07:10.560
 worried because we will have one or two specific alignments that we think we can

01:07:10.560 --> 01:07:15.920
 carry through the process what are the questions I asked you last time or maybe

01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:20.700
 honestly if I had been a question of Becky so I apologize that that cemetery

01:07:20.700 --> 01:07:24.240
 there did we get any clarity because that's a I mean with cemeteries that's

01:07:24.240 --> 01:07:29.160
 a fixed point in space yeah we're not going near those cemetery right there do

01:07:29.160 --> 01:07:33.440
 we have any clarity on that sort of concept well I will tell you that we're

01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:37.120
 not going anywhere near if there's if any one of my engineers showed an

01:07:37.120 --> 01:07:40.760
 alignment they had anything to do with the cemetery they're fired we're gonna

01:07:40.760 --> 01:07:45.720
 get because you don't touch cemeteries and you don't touch churches so John

01:07:45.720 --> 01:07:51.000
 during the public feedback what Mayor Pro Tembeck is referring to is there was

01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:55.320
 additional conversation about there is a cemetery currently shown on the

01:07:55.320 --> 01:07:59.560
 schematic but an additional cemetery that maybe folks weren't aware of that

01:07:59.560 --> 01:08:08.220
 was I believe to the northwest or maybe northeast of the alignment so when the

01:08:08.220 --> 01:08:14.040
 evaluation is going on such as you've spoken to with text odd and yourself

01:08:14.040 --> 01:08:17.880
 those are a part of those comments and feedback that was received from the

01:08:17.880 --> 01:08:21.440
 public so that's what he's referring to it's not just the one that's shown

01:08:21.440 --> 01:08:26.720
 currently on maps but there was another area so but your comment I'm sure still

01:08:26.720 --> 01:08:31.280
 stands regardless we're gonna we're gonna get this down to the reality and

01:08:31.280 --> 01:08:35.040
 then we'll bring you back and then that will reduce the number of people that

01:08:35.040 --> 01:08:43.360
 are torqued because there'll be fewer alignments if you were engineers okay

01:08:43.360 --> 01:08:52.480
 this this segment segment no no not her the ones I pay for I can't do anything

01:08:52.480 --> 01:08:56.720
 to her she does stuff to me so this segment seven I will show it as a

01:08:56.720 --> 01:08:59.720
 separate project because you'll have it as a separate project but this is

01:08:59.720 --> 01:09:05.920
 actually this part of the project right here and so we're doing the segment seven

01:09:05.920 --> 01:09:12.080
 environmental with the Westwood job for 288 but y'all call it Bonnie Bray section

01:09:12.080 --> 01:09:16.480
 segment seven so I just call it out for you that it's it's on the same track as

01:09:16.480 --> 01:09:22.880
 the loop and then 1515 that we were talking about a minute ago that's got a

01:09:22.880 --> 01:09:30.880
 radio let of June of 2025 and in between now and then I got to come up with you

01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:39.280
 know 34 million dollars we'll we'll figure that out I'm sure I'll figure it

01:09:39.280 --> 01:09:49.200
 out somehow I have a question certainly it's 1515 the same as Oak Street airport

01:09:49.200 --> 01:09:56.800
 oh I have that same question whenever they wanted somebody said hey we need to

01:09:56.800 --> 01:10:00.200
 start the engineering on 1515 I said I'll do it as soon as you tell me where

01:10:00.200 --> 01:10:12.800
 it is I know that we're not you know at the end here but at the same token 1515

01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:17.560
 is where it is and it's there's not there's no space for it to move around

01:10:17.560 --> 01:10:22.040
 and do things so you're really just doing the renovation project so I guess

01:10:22.040 --> 01:10:29.840
 my question is considering the the heavy load that this road bears when folks

01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:35.420
 reach out to me what can I tell them about alternative pathways and how all

01:10:35.420 --> 01:10:39.440
 that industrial usage is okay it's gonna be accommodated while you're renovating

01:10:39.440 --> 01:10:47.160
 the right it's not so text that doesn't do alternate routes they you've got two

01:10:47.160 --> 01:10:54.040
 lanes of traffic roughly out there right now in some cases more they'll keep the

01:10:54.040 --> 01:10:59.040
 existing number of lanes open that you have right now and then they'll go build

01:10:59.040 --> 01:11:03.400
 the road that's the policy so they don't need an alternate route because if you

01:11:03.400 --> 01:11:08.080
 had four lanes like on the interstates you typically if you've got four lanes

01:11:08.080 --> 01:11:11.920
 of traffic before you when you start most of the time while they're building

01:11:11.920 --> 01:11:16.280
 an interstate you'll keep the four lanes they just may go from 12 feet to 9 and a

01:11:16.280 --> 01:11:22.720
 quarter you know but they'll still be there this road is it going to be a six

01:11:22.720 --> 01:11:29.920
 lane divided facility with flush medians in some short distances where we have a

01:11:29.920 --> 01:11:36.320
 lot of left-turn movements and before we started right we had the county decided

01:11:36.320 --> 01:11:44.640
 we had basically two clients the city of Denton and all of the people that have

01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:48.720
 businesses out there so we met with Tetra Pak we met with all all people

01:11:48.720 --> 01:11:54.120
 there along that corridor Peter belt and we wanted to know about their their

01:11:54.120 --> 01:12:00.560
 shift timing and so part of what we're going to do is once we get into the

01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:05.600
 traffic control plan once we let the project is we're going to come back to

01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:10.400
 everybody and find out what their schedules are and how we can somehow

01:12:10.400 --> 01:12:16.640
 tweak the shift changes so that they're staggered without screwing everybody up

01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:24.640
 out there while we're building the road so we're going to try to you know put

01:12:24.640 --> 01:12:31.760
 ten pounds in a five pound bag but it's still ten pounds that's that analogy is

01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:42.720
 normally used I'm not sure about that it's the same thing okay FM 1173 good

01:12:42.720 --> 01:12:50.640
 news is the project is cleared let me see we cleared it in 2021 and all

01:12:50.640 --> 01:12:56.240
 right aways acquired which is basically what we needed and now we are relocating

01:12:56.240 --> 01:13:05.200
 utilities primarily on the railroad track back to the third to 35 and that's

01:13:05.200 --> 01:13:12.920
 because when we do the 35 job we want to go ahead and build the 1173 new

01:13:12.920 --> 01:13:17.400
 interchange location at Barthol road which means we got to build that part of

01:13:17.400 --> 01:13:26.880
 1173 with the project so it's while it's not funded completely well at all we

01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:34.160
 will have a good chunk of it funded through the 35 project next starts to go

01:13:34.160 --> 01:13:45.720
 to construction six lanes the outer loop now the deal on the outer loop is the

01:13:45.720 --> 01:13:53.600
 number of people that become irritated significantly reduces the further along

01:13:53.600 --> 01:14:01.440
 the line you go because right now we're not willing to show you the 72

01:14:01.440 --> 01:14:06.600
 alignments that everybody wants us to look at because we were doing it what's

01:14:06.600 --> 01:14:11.520
 called there's a categorical exclusion lags a programmatic categorical exclusion

01:14:11.520 --> 01:14:15.880
 which means if you fit a certain criteria you just check a box and you're

01:14:15.880 --> 01:14:20.040
 cleared then you get the environmental assessment and then you've got the

01:14:20.040 --> 01:14:23.340
 environmental impact statement that's the highest level of environmental

01:14:23.340 --> 01:14:30.360
 clearance with the core new alignment green belt conservation the county

01:14:30.360 --> 01:14:36.360
 decided we were going to go ahead and spend 37 million dollars and do the full

01:14:36.360 --> 01:14:45.020
 on EIS which takes a longer but it covers a whole lot more stuff and by

01:14:45.020 --> 01:14:49.840
 the time you get to an alignment on an EA you only got to do two alignments

01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:56.440
 which is no build and the alignment that you want but once you get them all

01:14:56.440 --> 01:15:02.640
 vetted through the process on a EIS you have to take two alignments almost all

01:15:02.640 --> 01:15:07.000
 the way through to the very end and then at the very end pick the one that's

01:15:07.000 --> 01:15:13.320
 least impacted but right now we've got 14 that we're going to try to get down

01:15:13.320 --> 01:15:19.460
 to seven and then those seven we're going to try to get down to two and then

01:15:19.460 --> 01:15:24.880
 take those two through the process and the problem we have is isn't a problem

01:15:24.880 --> 01:15:31.000
 I take that back is that in the EIS if somebody says why can't you go up on 455

01:15:31.000 --> 01:15:36.680
 and go across the dam well we already know what that answer is you can't go

01:15:36.680 --> 01:15:41.800
 across the dam core won't let you but you can't say that without putting a

01:15:41.800 --> 01:15:49.240
 line on a map going out and doing the work and showing a matrix that says the

01:15:49.240 --> 01:15:54.080
 core won't let you cross there and so during that year and a half period where

01:15:54.080 --> 01:15:58.920
 those 17 18 lines are on a map everybody thinks the outer loops coming in their

01:15:58.920 --> 01:16:03.340
 backyard because if they think it's somewhere that a whole green blob is the

01:16:03.340 --> 01:16:14.360
 outer look but we learned over time that instead of me showing you 17 lines that

01:16:14.360 --> 01:16:19.040
 look like spaghetti they're on the wall just to give you a blob and say we're

01:16:19.040 --> 01:16:26.760
 working in this blob area the three places that we are governed by

01:16:26.760 --> 01:16:32.360
 physically is Collin County has already built a portion of the outer loop in

01:16:32.360 --> 01:16:38.640
 their area and when you drive the northbound D&T section in Denton County

01:16:38.640 --> 01:16:43.440
 up to Grayson County there is a street crossing called the outer loop so that's

01:16:43.440 --> 01:16:49.240
 generally where we have to start the Corps of Engineers has told us and we

01:16:49.240 --> 01:16:53.400
 couldn't just take this on their word we'd have to eliminate all the other

01:16:53.400 --> 01:16:59.120
 alignments if but not for this other issue has told us we can't cross the

01:16:59.120 --> 01:17:08.060
 green belt any other location than at 428 okay and the reason they can say

01:17:08.060 --> 01:17:16.680
 that is because when the green belt was established they got the Corps of Engineers

01:17:16.680 --> 01:17:22.480
 got money from Congress to buy conservation easements on long both

01:17:22.480 --> 01:17:28.700
 sides of the green belt and the conservation easement says you can live

01:17:28.700 --> 01:17:35.540
 out there if you got a barn you can keep your barn your gardening and garden but

01:17:35.540 --> 01:17:40.960
 if the barn burns down you can't replace it you can't add to the barn you can

01:17:40.960 --> 01:17:45.320
 only do what's there and anything that changes has to change less it can't

01:17:45.320 --> 01:17:53.320
 change for more and so literally cross anywhere other than 428 the the green

01:17:53.320 --> 01:17:59.080
 belt would take an act of Congress so they can say 428 so we got across at 428

01:17:59.080 --> 01:18:06.100
 so you got ten alignments 428 six alignments Milam because we had to hit

01:18:06.100 --> 01:18:12.480
 Milam two reasons one it's on your thoroughfare plan is Milam to that 35

01:18:12.480 --> 01:18:18.320
 job that does going under the knife next year it cleared the outer loop at Milam

01:18:18.320 --> 01:18:25.200
 Road so the box interchange for the outer loop will be in place in the next

01:18:25.200 --> 01:18:33.640
 couple of years so those three points are fixed plus or minus so plus or minus

01:18:33.640 --> 01:18:41.400
 means 428 has a hundred and twenty foot easement well we need 550 so are they

01:18:41.400 --> 01:18:50.160
 gonna let us widen and they're saying if you can't get through with 120 feet 25

01:18:50.160 --> 01:18:53.400
 whatever it is you're gonna make it significantly harder on yourself and so

01:18:53.400 --> 01:19:00.000
 we're looking at taking 500 foot of road freeway in frontage rows and double

01:19:00.000 --> 01:19:07.200
 stacking it to get across 428 and then fair it and back out so if that works

01:19:07.200 --> 01:19:14.220
 then we're good Milam we're tweaking a little bit but as we get through the

01:19:14.220 --> 01:19:18.720
 process next year about this time you'll have fewer people yelling at you because

01:19:18.720 --> 01:19:25.340
 you'll that green blob will move further north out of who get closer to

01:19:25.340 --> 01:19:34.280
 428 and Milam so that's a long answer but that's where we're at

01:19:34.280 --> 01:19:43.040
 made sense to me I know that there's been a lot of activity in the Carter and

01:19:43.040 --> 01:19:49.120
 Hannah properties and determine whether what kind of development was going to go

01:19:49.120 --> 01:19:57.080
 through and that's right there south of the the core bridge on 428 with it and

01:19:57.080 --> 01:20:04.160
 with the more recent activity being sort of a if prop 14 passes could we possibly

01:20:04.160 --> 01:20:11.440
 get some parkland there instead of build out there and and so in in that

01:20:11.440 --> 01:20:15.840
 hypothetical I know that several hypotheticals down down the path but in

01:20:15.840 --> 01:20:23.920
 the case of that hypothetical would it be easier if that was state land or

01:20:23.920 --> 01:20:30.480
 harder if that was state land to get a final alignment if it's a park we're

01:20:30.480 --> 01:20:36.520
 screwed don't build any parts yet yet now one of the things we're doing to

01:20:36.520 --> 01:20:42.720
 make it harder on our own self is that Council of Governments Corps of

01:20:42.720 --> 01:20:53.680
 Engineers they have a overarching plan called transportation stormwater

01:20:53.680 --> 01:21:02.800
 improvement program and basically if you look at half of Wise County half of

01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:07.700
 Denton County it funnels right down the Trinity River into Dallas right there's

01:21:07.700 --> 01:21:14.480
 this Delta that goes right to Dallas well Dallas didn't plan for any runoff

01:21:14.480 --> 01:21:20.440
 up north and they didn't build for it and so initially you know Coggan of course

01:21:20.440 --> 01:21:23.280
 said hey what we'll do is we'll just take all that Denton County and Wise County

01:21:23.280 --> 01:21:29.840
 and turn it into a floodplain right which isn't going to work clearly so we

01:21:29.840 --> 01:21:33.960
 said now we we want to look at a better idea so one of the things we're doing

01:21:33.960 --> 01:21:40.280
 is and we are a pilot project the outer loop is a pilot project for this TSI

01:21:40.280 --> 01:21:45.640
 program where we're we're going to be building a 23 mile long dam right it's

01:21:45.640 --> 01:21:53.600
 called a road so we want to be able to not only acquire right away to the feds

01:21:53.600 --> 01:21:58.360
 because the Corps part of the federal government too but we want to go up and

01:21:58.360 --> 01:22:05.520
 down all of the floodways and create more detention along those natural

01:22:05.520 --> 01:22:12.240
 corridors and then what we also want to do is have retention and I know I'm not

01:22:12.240 --> 01:22:15.160
 sure which one's the right one because I'm not an engineer but what we want to

01:22:15.160 --> 01:22:21.840
 do is take the water instead of running it down slower down the Trinity right

01:22:21.840 --> 01:22:26.840
 which is what you would do when you have big ponds that hold it for a while is

01:22:26.840 --> 01:22:32.560
 send it down and recharge the aquifers right they just as long as it goes away

01:22:32.560 --> 01:22:38.680
 they don't care if it goes down they just don't want it going into Dallas so

01:22:38.680 --> 01:22:44.720
 what we're trying to do is find a way to hold the water not until it can get

01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:50.920
 through Dallas right hold the water until we can find a faster but efficient

01:22:50.920 --> 01:22:56.960
 clean way to get it down into the aquifer and so we're studying that on

01:22:56.960 --> 01:23:05.280
 top of just trying to build a road no I appreciate that there's a there's a lot

01:23:05.280 --> 01:23:10.440
 of simultaneous yeah stakeholders and concerns going on in the region and so

01:23:10.440 --> 01:23:13.040
 one of the things we knew I'll ride off the bat and I know I'm beating a dead

01:23:13.040 --> 01:23:20.840
 horse but this is horse country we don't want the road to be just another highway

01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:25.360
 right if we can we want it to be aesthetically compatible with the area

01:23:25.360 --> 01:23:32.780
 you know it's going to all build out we got a heat map that we keep internal but

01:23:32.780 --> 01:23:38.800
 we lay out all the developments in that green area and when people tell me they

01:23:38.800 --> 01:23:42.800
 moved out to this area because they want to be in the country I already tell them

01:23:42.800 --> 01:23:47.720
 you're no longer in the country you just don't see it yet because in that area

01:23:47.720 --> 01:23:56.600
 between 377 where the outer loop will be the toll road and 380 this little area

01:23:56.600 --> 01:24:02.280
 right here okay 90,000 people are moving into that little square in the next 10

01:24:02.280 --> 01:24:11.360
 years 90 that's the city Addison right there and that's all across the top part

01:24:11.360 --> 01:24:17.520
 of the county so we're gonna try to make it aesthetically pleasing but mostly we

01:24:17.520 --> 01:24:22.560
 want to make sure that we don't get penalized because we're last to develop

01:24:22.560 --> 01:24:30.200
 right and the regions trying to turn us into a detention pond and basically

01:24:30.200 --> 01:24:36.400
 everything I just said didn't know bullets and here's where I stopped

01:24:36.400 --> 01:24:50.680
 talking I can get it to turn green it's like at the magic touch I don't have so

01:24:50.680 --> 01:24:56.400
 yes Alma locust we are currently working with text on the resolution to bring

01:24:56.400 --> 01:25:01.240
 forward to council it's currently slated to come to council on November 14th that

01:25:01.240 --> 01:25:08.240
 resolution specifically is to prepare information for council so that you

01:25:08.240 --> 01:25:15.520
 understand our intent is to ultimately have Elman Locust from 380 to Eagle

01:25:15.520 --> 01:25:21.120
 become a city roadway and have the turn back to the city of Denton there's

01:25:21.120 --> 01:25:27.000
 several steps that have to go through the first step that the city has

01:25:27.000 --> 01:25:33.120
 specifically is bringing that resolution to council and so Ben and myself have

01:25:33.120 --> 01:25:38.000
 been working on that for quite some time along with Travis Campbell and Amanda

01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:42.840
 Miller to get that through the process text on is moving forward with their

01:25:42.840 --> 01:25:48.360
 project to reconstruct Alma and Locust from south of the courthouse including

01:25:48.360 --> 01:25:53.800
 Eagle along Elm and Locust and so that projects moving through its process and

01:25:53.800 --> 01:25:57.800
 then of course the portion on the north is what we partnered with the county for

01:25:57.800 --> 01:26:02.200
 funding and we're working through getting that project kicked back off

01:26:02.200 --> 01:26:06.400
 working through right-of-way acquisition additional design that's needed so that

01:26:06.400 --> 01:26:11.280
 we can go in replace the utility infrastructure at additional drainage

01:26:11.280 --> 01:26:17.800
 infrastructure and then reconstruct the roadway so once the resolution goes

01:26:17.800 --> 01:26:22.600
 through council we'll submit that to text dot and then text dot will submit

01:26:22.600 --> 01:26:26.800
 that information to the Texas Transportation Commission and they will

01:26:26.800 --> 01:26:31.840
 go through the process of reviewing it and then a minute order will be approved

01:26:31.840 --> 01:26:36.640
 similar to how we do resolutions that will then state that that is going to

01:26:36.640 --> 01:26:43.400
 become a city of Denton roadway and that's all subject to the reconstruction

01:26:43.400 --> 01:26:47.760
 of the roadway that is south of the courthouse and so text that's moving

01:26:47.760 --> 01:26:53.680
 along and at this point we don't have any concerns or some additional data

01:26:53.680 --> 01:26:58.480
 which is an exhibit that has to be included with the resolution and so that

01:26:58.480 --> 01:27:02.280
 information we should have here in the next week or so so that we can make that

01:27:02.280 --> 01:27:13.680
 November 14th deadline I do and I am not sure where it inserts but I know one of

01:27:13.680 --> 01:27:22.400
 the items again on our internal bond proposals for floodplain and that's this

01:27:22.400 --> 01:27:31.520
 region I don't expect the timelines to change but how does that impact our you

01:27:31.520 --> 01:27:40.400
 know our receipt of these roads versus that funding and maybe this this

01:27:40.400 --> 01:27:45.880
 committee isn't the time for that question but I do have questions on how

01:27:45.880 --> 01:27:50.360
 those are integrated if they both come to pass and this one's coming to pass so

01:27:50.360 --> 01:27:55.400
 I mean that's a fate of complete so then the integration of those drainage

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 projects with our adoption of these roads I'd be interested in learning how

01:28:00.600 --> 01:28:08.800
 those are integrated should the voters pass the pep for drainage issues okay

01:28:08.800 --> 01:28:13.120
 sure no problem because we tore up that area we the

01:28:13.120 --> 01:28:19.400
 collective we everyone and it impacted the the economic development in that

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 South downtown region and and so I'm trying to be mindful of that activity

01:28:24.400 --> 01:28:29.600
 going forward so again I'm not sure if it sure now or not you can answer if you

01:28:29.600 --> 01:28:34.200
 think it is but I think it would be best for us to bring that back maybe as a

01:28:34.200 --> 01:28:37.560
 future item or have a separate conversation about that we can explain

01:28:37.560 --> 01:28:42.400
 to you the implications of the pack for phases three and four and there's also

01:28:42.400 --> 01:28:45.880
 additional drainage projects in that area that are all a part of the bond

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 package but essentially some of those projects would be coinciding with each

01:28:51.880 --> 01:28:55.600
 other others of them are really separate because they're separate drainage basins

01:28:55.600 --> 01:29:16.880
 specifically absolutely you're great thank you John thank you okay well

01:29:16.880 --> 01:29:22.520
 we've gone through all of our items and we're here down at number three

01:29:22.520 --> 01:29:28.000
 concluding items we have any concluding items just the one that Becky and I just

01:29:28.000 --> 01:29:32.680
 discussed anything it's more of a concluding item okay well with all that

01:29:32.680 --> 01:29:40.640
 being said we will close out the meeting at 9 31 a.m. thanks everyone for watching

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 and thank you all for being here and being very supportive of us especially

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 you