WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.080 Okay. It is 9.02 and we do have a quorum, 00:00:04.080 --> 00:00:07.280 so I'll call to order the public utilities board for 00:00:07.280 --> 00:00:11.300 the city of Denton on Monday, October 23rd, 2023. 00:00:11.300 --> 00:00:14.320 The first item is presentations for members of the public, 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:16.480 and we do have Mr. Don Murky, 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:22.320 who's going to speak on POB 23192 with the contract with Blink. 00:00:22.320 --> 00:00:26.680 Is he here? Okay. You have three minutes. 00:00:30.280 --> 00:00:34.120 I'm Don Murky. I live at 2005 Hollyhill Denton. 00:00:34.120 --> 00:00:36.120 I've lived here since '69. 00:00:36.120 --> 00:00:40.360 I've been driving EVs for 10 years next month. 00:00:40.360 --> 00:00:47.240 Became aware of this and was looking at the different things in this. 00:00:47.240 --> 00:00:51.560 I think there's some emissions and some errors in this proposal. 00:00:51.560 --> 00:00:54.840 The 110 voltage that they have on there with 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:58.280 all these different pieces of equipment to do that. 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:01.360 I don't understand the necessity of the 110. 00:01:01.360 --> 00:01:04.760 It's not viable really for EVs. 00:01:04.760 --> 00:01:07.720 They require a much higher voltage to charge. 00:01:07.720 --> 00:01:09.760 240 will work. 00:01:09.760 --> 00:01:12.920 I charged a 240 at my house. 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:15.680 It required a 1450 plug, 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:18.720 which is RV-based plug. 00:01:18.720 --> 00:01:21.840 I have it at 60 amps protection and charge at 30 amps, 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:23.720 and it charges my vehicles every night. 00:01:23.720 --> 00:01:26.040 Cost me less than $100 to put in. 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:29.520 I don't need monitoring with software, anything like that. 00:01:29.520 --> 00:01:31.080 It works very well. 00:01:31.080 --> 00:01:35.880 In the proposal, I noticed that they don't list what the connectors are, 00:01:35.880 --> 00:01:37.800 that they're going to be using on the level 2, 00:01:37.800 --> 00:01:40.640 which is the 240 plugs. 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:45.320 Those typically in the old days were CCS, 00:01:45.320 --> 00:01:48.880 which is what they list for their level 3, 00:01:48.880 --> 00:01:50.160 which are the superchargers, 00:01:50.160 --> 00:01:53.080 the 60 and 150 kilowatt ones. 00:01:53.080 --> 00:01:55.240 This is already obsolete. 00:01:55.240 --> 00:02:04.640 Every manufacturer that's making a car in North America has adopted the NACS Tesla adapter. 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:06.760 It's simpler, it's smaller, 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:08.640 it has no moving parts, 00:02:08.640 --> 00:02:11.520 no switches that frequently break. 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:16.920 I tried to run a company here in town using Nissan Leafs, 00:02:16.920 --> 00:02:19.920 which required using the CCS charger, 00:02:19.920 --> 00:02:22.720 and I tried to use the blink charging system, 00:02:22.720 --> 00:02:26.640 and I frequently had issues with their equipment being broken. 00:02:26.640 --> 00:02:29.200 I've driven a Tesla for 10 years next month. 00:02:29.200 --> 00:02:30.360 I've got four of them. 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:34.680 I have yet to be a Tesla charger that is not functioned. 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:37.680 We have Tesla chargers here. 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:39.760 They could be used. 00:02:39.760 --> 00:02:43.560 The level 3 chargers that they're talking about, 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:50.120 those are basically used for people that are going from Denton to Austin, 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:52.000 and we want to charge on the road. 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:56.240 They charge 80 percent usually in 15 to 30 minutes. 00:02:56.240 --> 00:02:58.640 Being for a city fleet, 00:02:58.640 --> 00:03:01.520 it doesn't really seem practical for the money. 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:03.640 For the amount of money that this is, 00:03:03.640 --> 00:03:09.440 we're trying to put on the table close to a million dollars for three years to do this, 00:03:09.440 --> 00:03:13.480 it's obsolete when you even start into the gate. 00:03:13.480 --> 00:03:18.720 Next year, every car is going to have a different adapter on it. 00:03:18.720 --> 00:03:24.080 So this needs to be pulled and it needs to be reevaluated. 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:26.360 This technology is changing, 00:03:26.360 --> 00:03:28.480 and I know when this was brought up, 00:03:28.480 --> 00:03:35.560 it probably wasn't NACS as the prevalent adapter. 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:41.740 Now it is, and every manufacturer including Toyota just last week adapted that. 00:03:41.740 --> 00:03:45.960 So I think there's some errors in this, 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:48.200 and I think we're jumping the gun on this. 00:03:48.200 --> 00:03:49.480 I understand we need to do it. 00:03:49.480 --> 00:03:51.920 So that's about all I have to say. 00:03:51.920 --> 00:03:53.120 Thank you. 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:57.320 All right. 00:03:57.320 --> 00:03:59.960 No, there's no one else from the public to speak, 00:03:59.960 --> 00:04:02.160 so we'll go into the consent agenda. 00:04:02.160 --> 00:04:06.000 Does any board member wish to pull an items A through G? 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:09.120 I know Mr. Rybeck was pulling two. 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:13.280 As soon as he gets his mic on. 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:16.000 Okay. Yes, I would like to pull items E and G. 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:19.560 Okay. Item E and G. 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:24.720 Okay. So do we have a motion to approve items A, B, C, D, F? 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:26.240 Second. 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:30.160 All in favor say aye. 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:31.320 Aye. 00:04:31.320 --> 00:04:38.720 Okay. Item E. That is the blink contract. 00:04:46.760 --> 00:04:49.680 Madam Chair, board members, Michael Gagne, 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:52.080 Director of Environmental Services and Sustainability. 00:04:52.080 --> 00:04:53.680 I do not have a presentation, 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:55.600 but I can answer any questions you have. 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:58.400 The primary focus of this contract is to clarify, 00:04:58.400 --> 00:04:59.960 is for our city fleet, 00:04:59.960 --> 00:05:02.200 they're not to be made publicly available. 00:05:02.200 --> 00:05:04.480 It's to upgrade the existing locations. 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:08.520 We have about five across the city and we have one location we need to add new. 00:05:08.520 --> 00:05:14.440 The contract right now, we've estimated roughly 228,000 over the first three years. 00:05:14.440 --> 00:05:18.040 It's just what we've projected, depending on the growth of the fleet, what's available. 00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:22.160 They have actually in the contract given us the option to change out connectors. 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:27.000 So we have options for all different types of connectors within the proposal. 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:30.360 To address the DC fast charger or the level three. 00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:34.640 One of the reasons there is if we start getting into PDs fleet, 00:05:34.640 --> 00:05:43.160 we will have to have the ability to charge quickly because those vehicles cannot be parked typically for 12 or 14 hours or even six hours. 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:45.720 They're used to basically 24/7. 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:47.040 So that's the reason that was included. 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:52.080 Level one was included because there is a portion of our fleet that averages about 30 miles a day. 00:05:52.080 --> 00:05:59.440 Those actually at level one done correctly can stay at 100% every week on a regular basis without less demand. 00:05:59.440 --> 00:06:00.960 So it's just an option in there. 00:06:00.960 --> 00:06:02.800 Does it mean we're going to choose it? 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:04.840 I'll leave it there. 00:06:04.840 --> 00:06:08.200 Thank you. Miraculously, my microphone is working. 00:06:08.200 --> 00:06:10.040 I don't know who fixed that, but thank you. 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:11.280 Thank you, Mr. Fuente. 00:06:11.280 --> 00:06:18.680 So, board, just so you know, all the mics are on, so just know that. 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:19.560 Interesting. 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:21.000 Well, thank you very much. 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:23.760 I answered one of my questions. 00:06:23.760 --> 00:06:28.640 I think our presenter from the public did a nice job of bringing up some things to consider, 00:06:28.640 --> 00:06:33.600 and I'm glad that this has already been undertaken as part of the plan for this. 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:38.440 I'm curious about the total value of this EV installation project. 00:06:38.440 --> 00:06:41.400 I'm assuming the software is only a part of it? 00:06:41.400 --> 00:06:42.200 Correct. 00:06:42.200 --> 00:06:42.880 OK. 00:06:42.880 --> 00:06:51.960 So do we know what the overall value of this EV charger installation operation is? 00:06:51.960 --> 00:06:53.760 I'm not sure I'm following the question. 00:06:53.760 --> 00:06:59.280 This contract is to buy the actual charger itself, kind of like buying an ATM machine as well. 00:06:59.280 --> 00:07:01.720 It's the product itself with the charging cord. 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:07.320 And then we have the option to use their software or their connectivity on a monthly basis as well. 00:07:07.320 --> 00:07:12.560 So that way our fleet drivers will know if a charging station is available, they can queue in, 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:16.120 get alerted, they can be alerted when their car is actually charged, things like that. 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:17.480 That's the benefit to the software. 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:20.800 So how many chargers are involved in this project? 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:22.960 It's built out each year differently. 00:07:22.960 --> 00:07:28.640 The first year, we're looking between five and seven in year one, mainly level two. 00:07:28.640 --> 00:07:30.440 Those are different sites we have. 00:07:30.440 --> 00:07:35.440 In year two, depending on how availability comes on fleet, was the first year we were looking 00:07:35.440 --> 00:07:39.680 at doing a DC fast charger or a level three charger. 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:43.240 That year, we'd probably add in roughly the same five to seven level twos as well, 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:45.120 if the fleet grows enough. 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:47.040 If not, that would get delayed. 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:52.040 And year three is primarily focused on adding an additional level two chargers across the fleet. 00:07:52.040 --> 00:07:58.240 Currently, we have six full EVs in our fleet, and we do have a few plug-in hybrids as well. 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:00.920 But we actually only have six currently in our fleet. 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:03.240 OK. But the plan is for that fleet to grow. 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:06.880 And therefore, this is to accommodate that expansion? 00:08:06.880 --> 00:08:13.840 Correct. And to back up one piece, one of Council's priority is to look at EV across the city of Denton. 00:08:13.840 --> 00:08:18.600 So we're working on a plan to look at how we help out or what we do to assist multifamily. 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:20.920 What do we do in the retail restaurant sector? 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:22.960 How do we do that across all of Denton? 00:08:22.960 --> 00:08:24.400 What do we do within our city fleet? 00:08:24.400 --> 00:08:27.160 What's our five-year plan for upgrading, changing out? 00:08:27.160 --> 00:08:28.480 How do we make that happen? 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:30.840 We're working on that, and that's one of Council priorities. 00:08:30.840 --> 00:08:34.440 It's out there on our strategic dashboard as well, if you're interested. 00:08:34.440 --> 00:08:36.160 OK. Well, I did not know that. 00:08:36.160 --> 00:08:39.200 So I guess that's something I can go look at. Thank you. 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:44.920 So do we know overall what the cost of operation of these EV chargers are up to date? 00:08:44.920 --> 00:08:48.080 And then for the future, do we have any projection of what that's going to cost? 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:52.760 Or does DME just provide the power and grant us because it's for the city? 00:08:52.760 --> 00:08:58.040 We pay DME for the power like we would pay for it for any other part of operating a building. 00:08:58.040 --> 00:09:01.200 So DME does not provide it for free. 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:03.000 I don't have an overall demand on that. 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:07.680 It depends on the size of the fleet and where that stands as far as that cost. 00:09:07.680 --> 00:09:17.080 Do we have a cost comparison between the EV and the charging cost and then the cost of operation of a normal vehicle? 00:09:17.080 --> 00:09:22.560 What I can say there is typically the payback on an EV can be paid back for the difference in cost, 00:09:22.560 --> 00:09:25.040 whether it be fuel cost, maintenance cost, everything else. 00:09:25.040 --> 00:09:29.680 It's usually within that three year period, sometimes as high as five, depending on what you're buying. 00:09:29.680 --> 00:09:37.120 OK, so after three years, five year period, you've retired the added cost of electric vehicle charging. 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:44.360 Correct. Well, and the upcharge of the vehicle itself, because most EVs are slightly higher priced currently. 00:09:44.360 --> 00:09:48.840 They're projected to come down to be almost cost neutral closer to 2030. 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:50.600 Just depends on the growth. 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:52.400 Well, that's great. It's going to get some idea of this. 00:09:52.400 --> 00:09:56.720 You came to us and asked for money and I was looking at it, OK, where's the rest of it? 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:02.200 And the reason we're here is, you know, we do have vehicles within solid waste fleet and within DME's fleet. 00:10:02.200 --> 00:10:05.360 So we want to make sure that the public utility board is aware of this action. 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:16.480 OK, excellent. My last question has to do with the fact this is third party software that we'll be taking into the city, into its operations. 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:18.360 Actually, no, they'll operate independently. 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:22.760 We will have access to their cloud, so it won't actually integrate within our network system. 00:10:22.760 --> 00:10:28.480 It'll be similar to what currently we have some publicly facing chargers that are done through ChargePoint. 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:31.440 ChargePoint manages all that and then provides the data back to us. 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:38.080 They don't actually integrate. OK, so there won't be any of the operator information, 00:10:38.080 --> 00:10:44.920 city information, city client information like us, the users of DME. 00:10:44.920 --> 00:10:47.160 No, they will not have access to anything on the city side. 00:10:47.160 --> 00:10:50.920 We would actually set up with them like any other account within it all. 00:10:50.920 --> 00:10:54.880 It would be for our users within the blank system. 00:10:54.880 --> 00:11:00.360 Once they get their log in, they'll be able to use that in our system as well as go outside the system. 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:03.600 If we put basically a P card or a mechanism behind it. 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:09.400 So if they go to Austin or if they go to Fort Worth or they go to Dallas, they can charge while they're there as well. 00:11:09.400 --> 00:11:13.960 Under one system, like a fuel card does right now for us under the fuel main gas cards. 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:24.400 Well, one of the reasons I asked about this is every data breach that has occurred in our world has been third party software without failure, every one of them. 00:11:24.400 --> 00:11:32.600 So I saw this and I said, OK, we're going to have users, we're going to have data, we're going to have client information, we're going to have billing information. 00:11:32.600 --> 00:11:35.200 So hence my concern. 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:36.800 This should be fairly simple. 00:11:36.800 --> 00:11:41.400 And since it would identify a unit and a user number, which would be unique to those two things, 00:11:41.400 --> 00:11:47.160 which would probably be meaningless to anybody in the public if I quoted off some vehicle numbers to y'all. 00:11:47.160 --> 00:11:51.280 I don't think y'all would know it probably wouldn't know our employee ID numbers either. 00:11:51.280 --> 00:11:52.960 That's really what will be in there. 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:55.920 OK. Well, getting back to our guest's question. 00:11:55.920 --> 00:12:03.200 So how many charges do we currently have an operation for the city fleet for the city fleet? 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:07.040 We have six locations. 00:12:07.040 --> 00:12:16.520 Most of those are dual port. One is a single port, two or single ports, meaning the plug connections to one has only two sites. 00:12:16.520 --> 00:12:19.400 You can connect one vehicle at a time for sites. 00:12:19.400 --> 00:12:26.640 You can connect up to two vehicles, dual port, dual outlets, dual whips, dual connections. 00:12:26.640 --> 00:12:28.600 I know, Mr. Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:31.880 No, please. No, no, no. I was just going to follow on this question. 00:12:31.880 --> 00:12:38.840 So what about this issue that you brought up about the connectors and the types of plugs and the within the contract? 00:12:38.840 --> 00:12:45.160 We have the ability to choose which ones we want to deploy and we have a cost in there to change those out if we ever need to as well. 00:12:45.160 --> 00:12:51.440 So they've given us a cost for repair. If one gets broken, cut damage, we have that ability within that. 00:12:51.440 --> 00:12:57.960 And they've said they can they can use all every universal port available is what they've told us we can choose from. 00:12:57.960 --> 00:13:07.400 OK, so the current half dozen locations that we have, what kinds of plugs are they currently using or do you know? 00:13:07.400 --> 00:13:14.200 I don't want to misspeak. They're all the older one. And I don't I don't remember which exact unit number it is. 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:17.880 But we have a multitude of weird ones out there. I'll leave it at that. 00:13:17.880 --> 00:13:21.200 OK. Do you know what your newest ones are? OK. 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:30.080 Well, it's it to our guest question then. So are there plans to update them, modernize them, make them more uniform and universal? 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:34.320 That's what's phase one of the year. The first contract. Yes, yes. 00:13:34.320 --> 00:13:38.320 Is we're going to go in and change those because those are all some aren't in the best location anymore. 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:41.680 We've done some facility upgrades, different things are not as accessible. 00:13:41.680 --> 00:13:45.480 We do have one site with a fleet that doesn't have a charger. 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:48.600 We've done some upgrades over fleet services and that one's not as accessible. 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:53.640 So we'll probably move that out towards more accessible to people going in and out of there as well. 00:13:53.640 --> 00:13:56.800 Well, I would like to thank our guests for coming and make presentation. 00:13:56.800 --> 00:13:59.920 Those are some things I certainly hadn't thought about or been aware of. 00:13:59.920 --> 00:14:02.640 If anybody else has any questions, feel free to dive in. 00:14:02.640 --> 00:14:07.880 I know Mr. Reiner had a couple and thank you for your time. 00:14:07.880 --> 00:14:10.360 Thank you for giving the same questions that I have. 00:14:10.360 --> 00:14:14.880 And I had a couple of others that came up as you talk about those six locations. 00:14:14.880 --> 00:14:19.720 Are those exclusive to the city of Denton for our fleet? 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:23.120 Yes, they're only accessible by city of debt and fleet customers. 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:30.040 We do have publicly accessible charge point sites that are generally only open to the public. 00:14:30.040 --> 00:14:34.040 So we have those at a couple of libraries, a couple of park sites as well as development services. 00:14:34.040 --> 00:14:44.240 So the stations that are on private properties, buckies or wherever, are those accessible to the city as well? 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:49.160 I mean, do you have, when you said you had a charge card, could you go use those as well if needed be? 00:14:49.160 --> 00:14:53.280 If you're going to Austin, I would think you would have to use some kind of credit card. 00:14:53.280 --> 00:14:59.720 To clarify there, there are certain stations out there that are limited to the model or manufacturer you're driving. 00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:02.080 So the Teslas are driven for Teslas. 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:02.680 Yes. 00:15:02.680 --> 00:15:06.160 Then we have limited use ones such as embassy suites. 00:15:06.160 --> 00:15:10.440 That site has a charger, but it's for their overnight guests. 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:13.280 For their guests get to use that, it's not just for the general public. 00:15:13.280 --> 00:15:20.560 Whereas a lot of the ones over by Walmart, Kroger, those things on University or 380, anybody can use them. 00:15:20.560 --> 00:15:27.000 And within these networks, once you establish an account, you can basically use everybody else's sites, 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:34.320 except for Tesla or if they're restricted to whether it be residents at the apartment complex or guests or things like that. 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:42.480 And then the additional five to seven, the first year, are they specific? 00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:49.880 Seven or five different locations or just additional power towers, I'll call it, in the current locations. 00:15:49.880 --> 00:15:52.680 It's actually kind of like we did in this room before you got here. 00:15:52.680 --> 00:15:54.680 We're going to refresh the current sites. 00:15:54.680 --> 00:15:59.320 We're only going to add one new charging site in year one, which would be development services. 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:04.000 We have two vehicles there that do not have overnight access to a charger. 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:05.600 They're going to other locations currently. 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:09.840 And then one other question, I think. 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:15.000 Presently, we have about six EV vehicles in the fleet, is that correct? 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:22.120 And I did not realize this, but you're saying that the council wants us to expand that, which I can understand. 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:26.360 Do you have a projection on what we're looking at as to what additional? 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:29.680 How large is the fleet going to be next year, let's say, if that's possible? 00:16:29.680 --> 00:16:31.360 And what kind of vehicles are we? 00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:33.760 How big does it go as far as the vehicles? 00:16:33.760 --> 00:16:38.160 Is it just a sedan or does it go up to past pickups, whatever? 00:16:38.160 --> 00:16:40.480 And is it a question that I can ask in public? 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:43.120 You can. We're not quite there yet. 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:45.080 We've had some change outs, different things. 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:48.240 We're working closely with fleet services to build that plan. 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:50.080 That's part of that overall council direction. 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:54.080 One piece of that is for us to be looking heavily at a five year cost replacement. 00:16:54.080 --> 00:16:57.720 And so how we can look at how we transition the fleet to EV. 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:03.200 Currently on the market, you do have vehicles ranging anywhere from a small sedan up to at least a light duty pickup. 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:05.360 There are some medium duties. They're just not quite there. 00:17:05.360 --> 00:17:10.240 There's very limited heavy duty, but our primary focus initially be the light duty fleet, 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:14.600 which would be anything from a sedan up through a pickup truck, just depending on availability. 00:17:14.600 --> 00:17:17.440 Again, the supply chain issue has been part of our challenge. 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:20.280 We try to do some orders a year and a half ago. 00:17:20.280 --> 00:17:24.200 They haven't processed. We're still trying to do five new orders currently. 00:17:24.200 --> 00:17:28.720 And I've been told now those may not go in go in until January. 00:17:28.720 --> 00:17:33.280 And if they go in in January, I don't know when they'll deliver. 00:17:33.280 --> 00:17:43.120 OK. So when the when the fleet is expanded, is that is that an issue that will be brought before us before it's done? 00:17:43.120 --> 00:17:45.840 Or is that already carte blanche done? 00:17:45.840 --> 00:17:49.120 I wouldn't say it's carte blanche. That's part of what fleet services works on. 00:17:49.120 --> 00:17:55.520 And depending on which purchases are going on and which funds are paying for those pieces of that may come back through. 00:17:55.520 --> 00:17:59.720 But again, if it's more general fund driven, those kind of things, it wouldn't come back to this board. 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:04.040 So no. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair. All right. 00:18:04.040 --> 00:18:07.720 Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. Good morning. How are you doing? 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:10.640 I knew you had to have one. Yeah. 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:15.160 So I think I have two questions in the price evaluation. 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:18.320 The level three charger prices weren't included. 00:18:18.320 --> 00:18:25.480 And it seems like that could be a significant cost, like one might be 20 times as expensive as a level two charger. 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:32.680 Funny you use that number. It's about it is about that procurement as we work through that, we've got prices on everything. 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:39.360 The list in there, I'm looking, I don't know, I don't see Laurie in the room. 00:18:39.360 --> 00:18:44.520 We cleaned it up to make sure that we had a clear basis to make sure we were comparing apples to apples. 00:18:44.520 --> 00:18:50.800 So the primary cost comparison was focused in on the level two, which would be the primary use across the city. 00:18:50.800 --> 00:19:01.640 The level threes did come in. My memory on blink as a manufacturer, they were actually lower on the level DC fast chargers level threes. 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:11.760 Now, the challenge there to speak to my predecessor speaking earlier, there's about seven or eight different tiers of DC fast charging out there. 00:19:11.760 --> 00:19:21.160 So I'd have to go back and look and each proposal to make sure that specifically they were cheaper on what we're what we tried to compare against within that. 00:19:21.160 --> 00:19:27.560 OK, and then I'm following on Commissioner Rybeck's question about cost. 00:19:27.560 --> 00:19:40.160 I know personally, I have an E.V. and, you know, two gas powered vehicles and the the cost to run it, the cost to operate and maintain it is like a small fraction. 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:43.160 Ten or 20 percent of the cost of a conventional vehicle. 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:55.920 But I know in a fleet, it's different. So I'd I'd love to see in a year or two just to kind of an update on, you know, what's the difference in fleet cost for maintenance and fueling effectively. 00:19:55.920 --> 00:19:59.000 And to add to that, that's one thing fleets really focused on. 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:08.080 Currently, we're trying to put GPS units and all of our fleet to get really accurate information to know the use and demand on those vehicles to be able to do that comparison back. 00:20:08.080 --> 00:20:20.800 Thank you. Madam Chair, I'll just ask Devin if you could bring that up at our management when we get to our management section and then we can make sure that there's there's agreement that for us to do that and we can add it to our future agenda items. 00:20:20.800 --> 00:20:25.800 OK. All right. Any further questions? 00:20:25.800 --> 00:20:39.320 I move approval of agenda item. Thank you. You'd be twenty three one ninety two. Do we have a second second. All in favor say aye. 00:20:39.320 --> 00:20:55.880 Carries. Next is twenty three one ninety four contract with S.E.A. Towers Limited for some transmission. And Mr. Ryback pulled that one off. Yes, I'm the guilty party. 00:20:55.880 --> 00:21:00.240 More code, it's an already engineering answer. Any questions regarding still poles? 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:08.360 Yes, sir. Thank you for joining us this morning. I appreciate it. I don't really have any problem with the purchase of this equipment, but it brought some questions to mind. 00:21:08.360 --> 00:21:21.080 Sure. Which are this is obviously part of a larger effort to put in this new service line. So I was curious if we at this time know the total project value. 00:21:21.080 --> 00:21:27.800 And my other question is, so what's driving this upgrade to this particular service line? 00:21:27.800 --> 00:21:41.880 Well, as far as value, we have the cost. I'm not sure if that's what you're asking for. The total cost of the project. The total cost will be around five point six million dollars for this contract. 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:54.200 For this contract, for just the material. Yes, sir. Just the material. That part I see. I'm asking no, sir. I do not know. I do not have that. OK, I can look into it and get back with you. 00:21:54.200 --> 00:22:04.120 I would appreciate that. That's kind of my question. I understand we're buying all this hardware to make this project possible to increase the size of the service line. I get that. 00:22:04.120 --> 00:22:12.520 So something's driving that and that total cost of the project. There must be some number out there. And I'd just like to know what it is. 00:22:12.520 --> 00:22:19.080 I think Jerry. Mark Zimmer is going to come up here and give you a response to that. Thank you. 00:22:19.080 --> 00:22:29.400 Yes, sir. Mark Zimmer, DME Engineering. Total project cost for this is about 14 million. About 14 million. And what is driving the upgrade to this service line? 00:22:29.400 --> 00:22:37.320 Our studies have shown that this line is overloaded. It's currently overloaded. By the year 2025. 00:22:37.320 --> 00:22:44.440 Could you tell us what area it currently serves? Well, it's part of the transmission system, so it generally serves a large area. 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:52.840 I couldn't pinpoint an exact area, but it generally serves the industrial side of town. So the west side of 35. 00:22:52.840 --> 00:22:57.320 OK, so Peterbilt, Touchback, all those customers on the west. All right. 00:22:57.320 --> 00:23:02.920 And the good news, Mr. Rebecca and for the board, this is part of our transmission cost of service. 00:23:02.920 --> 00:23:14.360 So we do earn a rate of return on that as well. So we'll be seeing a large portion of that project will be basically reimbursed back to DME over the course of a number of years. 00:23:14.360 --> 00:23:21.400 As part of that uplift program that it's done through the ERCOT grid. Well, thank you. Appreciate that. 00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:28.440 OK, so got a rough total value of the project. Know where it's going. And those are my questions. Thank you very much. 00:23:28.440 --> 00:23:34.680 Do we have other questions? OK, seeing none, do we have a motion to approve? So moved. 00:23:34.680 --> 00:23:47.480 Moved. Do we have a second? Mr. Rayner, second. All in favor say aye. Aye. That carries. Next is approval of the October 9th, 2023 minute meeting. 00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:54.120 Meeting minutes. Did anybody see any changes or corrections? 00:23:54.120 --> 00:24:02.600 Seeing none, do we have a motion to approve the minutes? So moved. Mr. Rayner. I'll take second. OK, Mr. Black moved in. Mr. Rayner takes second. 00:24:02.600 --> 00:24:15.240 All in favor say aye. Aye. Next is item PUB 23135, General Capital Program Expenditures for Bonds. Certificates. 00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:22.440 See if I can get this out of my eyesight a little bit there. Good morning. Randy Klingle, Treasury Manager with the Finance Department. 00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:31.520 I have a short presentation today, maybe. There it goes for me. Ma'am, could you speak more into the microphone? Thank you. 00:24:31.520 --> 00:24:38.120 How's this? This better? Better. OK. Much. I'm a little height challenged here, but I'll make it work. 00:24:38.120 --> 00:24:44.200 I have an annual reimbursement ordinance that we bring to you every year before we start the bond process. 00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:48.480 And the reason for the reimbursement ordinance is because it's required by the IRS. 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:56.240 It shows that our intent that we're going to reimburse ourselves later with bond proceeds that come through the bond sale later this summer. 00:24:56.240 --> 00:25:03.760 Normally we do the bond sale 12 months after this ordinance is executed. We do like to finish it by the end of the fiscal year. 00:25:03.760 --> 00:25:12.240 So we will have this done by by September always so we can receive the proceeds of the same fiscal year that we have this reimbursement ordinance. 00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:19.880 And our debt policy that governs our debt and our bond sale items do include the opportunity to have this ordinance. 00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:26.560 So today we are only covering the utility project items for this board to oversee, and I will not be going through the project items. 00:25:26.560 --> 00:25:30.360 They are exactly the same as you saw September 26 go through council. 00:25:30.360 --> 00:25:34.360 So nothing has changed there, but we will be just covering the utilities. 00:25:34.360 --> 00:25:44.720 So the first utility we have for today is solid waste, which their capital improvement plan project budget for this fiscal year is just a little bit over seven million dollars. 00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:54.240 And in your back up, you have a couple of little narrative sentences about each fund program that kind of gives you an overall narrative of what these projects will do for them this fiscal year. 00:25:54.240 --> 00:26:07.600 But you also have this presentation, which will give you the line item detail water project for the this fiscal year is eighty two point seven million dollars for their fund for the projects for this year. 00:26:07.600 --> 00:26:13.080 Wastewater's budget is fifty five point nine million dollars. 00:26:13.080 --> 00:26:20.520 And last, we have the electric fund with eighty two point five million dollars for their capital improvement, but budget for the reimbursement ordinance. 00:26:20.520 --> 00:26:33.160 So in summary, for just the utilities, solid waste water, wastewater, electric, we have two hundred and twenty eight million three hundred and forty one thousand one hundred and fifty seven dollars in their capital improvement plan budget. 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:47.080 So our next steps, I'll come back to you guys in April for the notice of intent, which I'll bring the same list to you, possibly reduced depending on how things go as they look at their project timelines or cost and what their availability of projects are. 00:26:47.080 --> 00:26:56.600 And then in May, we'll come back with the bond parameter ordinance, which will be our our final push with our final numbers on this list, and they will have a projected sell in June. 00:26:56.600 --> 00:27:06.800 And then we'll receive our proceeds in July, and that's kind of the annual process that we have for this. And we kind of maintain that same timeline year over year. 00:27:06.800 --> 00:27:21.120 Yes, wrong way. There we go. Any questions? Yes, ma'am. So this is a bond obligation or bond sale for this year to cover the next two fiscal years. 00:27:21.120 --> 00:27:28.840 Well, we will get the proceeds this year and then they will allocate them and use them as it comes up and necessary for their contracts with the future. 00:27:28.840 --> 00:27:34.000 OK, so this is for this year. Do we do this essentially every year? 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:41.440 Essentially every year. Yes, we have a lot of capital projects. So we do do this becomes an annual annual annual chunks, if you will. 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:45.800 Yes. OK, thank you. And this isn't actually the bond sale. 00:27:45.800 --> 00:27:54.000 It's just authorizing us to go ahead and go ahead and do the reimbursement right and then reimburse ourselves when we get the proceeds. 00:27:54.000 --> 00:28:02.360 Just want to clear that up. Yes, ma'am. Other questions? Do we have a motion to approve this item? 00:28:02.360 --> 00:28:16.160 So, Mr. Do we have a second second and seconds? All in favor say aye. Aye. Next item is P.B. twenty three one eighty three wholesale transmission charges. 00:28:32.360 --> 00:28:51.520 Where'd it go? That's what he's thinking. 00:28:51.520 --> 00:28:57.200 You're just trying to make us feel good. Yeah, I don't see my presentation. 00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:12.040 In my packet, it's called presentation dash five, if that helps you. 00:29:12.040 --> 00:29:18.240 You may want to go to the Web site and just pull it off of there. OK, yeah, that might be quicker. 00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:39.240 Apologize. No, no problem. 00:29:39.240 --> 00:30:08.400 Need some help is yes, sir. Is it over here? 00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:15.000 All right. Yes. Good morning, Madam Chairman and board member of P.B. 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:20.520 I'm here today to discuss transmission cost of service expense. 00:30:20.520 --> 00:30:27.080 These are routine expenses that the electric fund incurs every single year, basically. 00:30:27.080 --> 00:30:38.280 We're bringing this to the board for transparency purposes, and these expenses has already been approved in the budget. 00:30:38.280 --> 00:30:52.520 So this slide right here just represents some of the external vendors that will be paying or external providers that will be paying. 00:30:52.520 --> 00:30:57.240 And this is going to come around about seven point one million dollars. 00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:07.160 So this is the cost that the city will pay for using other providers transmission assets pretty much. 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:21.840 And this next slide is just we're just listing some of the other providers that will be using that is basically under the fifty thousand dollars just for transparency purposes. 00:31:21.840 --> 00:31:26.120 Any questions or comments? Go ahead. 00:31:26.120 --> 00:31:32.440 Thank you, Madam Chair. So I have I have a general understanding of transmission cost of service. 00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:37.720 We and this is just a kind of required payment within our code. 00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:48.160 Everybody pays to use the shared grid that moves power from the various generators to the various consumers. 00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:56.880 But I'd like to just understand a little bit more about these the individual transactions here are. 00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:07.080 I've always seen transmission cost of service just kind of summed up as kind of a fee based on four CP peak. 00:32:07.080 --> 00:32:21.800 Is that then just allocated out based on some other factor and every load serving entity in ERCOT pays the same kind of fractions out to the various vendors? 00:32:21.800 --> 00:32:28.320 Or are these like individual kind of bilateral transactions for the different vendors? 00:32:28.320 --> 00:32:33.560 Kind of a technical question, but I'm just trying to understand how this works in a little more detail. 00:32:33.560 --> 00:32:39.840 Yes. So let me summarize. So basically all these all these service providers. 00:32:39.840 --> 00:32:43.560 This is a dollar amount that is calculated, like you said, from the four CPs. 00:32:43.560 --> 00:32:49.400 And then basically this is our cost to using basically their transmission assets. 00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:52.360 And this is for the new fiscal year that's coming up. 00:32:52.360 --> 00:32:57.000 So I hope that answer your questions or maybe Tony can help. 00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:59.640 It looks like yes. So so you're exactly right. 00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:03.800 It's based on your load ratio share. Right. 00:33:03.800 --> 00:33:08.800 Both in how you charge other providers and in how you pay other providers as well. 00:33:08.800 --> 00:33:16.840 So it's all distributed based on that four CP is calculated every year, June, July, August and September. 00:33:16.840 --> 00:33:21.560 It's kind of it's the average of that. And so that applies to every utility out there. 00:33:21.560 --> 00:33:24.280 And so there's some utilities where we net out. 00:33:24.280 --> 00:33:31.400 And so we ended up having to pay because because we owe them more that they owe us or or they owe us more than than we owe them. 00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:38.720 And so so that's how that's done across across all the TSP's transmission service providers in the state. 00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:42.960 That was my other question. These are already netted of our transmission. 00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:50.360 Yes. And going back to that transmission ROI from that transmission project that was being discussed earlier, 00:33:50.360 --> 00:33:59.120 that transmission ROI would would lower these net outs in the future in future years. 00:33:59.120 --> 00:34:09.960 Yes, correct. And so a high level currently we pay out in a single fiscal year about twenty five, twenty eight million dollars total. 00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:14.800 This is only a portion of that. There'll be others that will come to you. 00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:23.200 What we've been earning prior to our latest TCO case was over 60 million dollars just for comparison purposes. 00:34:23.200 --> 00:34:27.520 As you know, we recently had a filing. There was a final order. 00:34:27.520 --> 00:34:32.400 We anticipate that that revenue that we get is going to come down to about 30 million dollars a year. 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:37.200 So we're still we're still getting a little bit more than what we're paying out. 00:34:37.200 --> 00:34:41.400 Not quite the calculation, right. But but just for comparison purposes. 00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:45.000 So you have all the information. Thank you for that question. 00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:48.200 Oh, go ahead, sir. You're closer. You go. Oh, you're too kind. 00:34:48.200 --> 00:34:52.640 Could you go back a slide or two? I was just curious. Another one. 00:34:52.640 --> 00:34:54.800 The first one. No, go back to go back where you were. 00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:58.240 Yes. Yes. It's just like I'm at my house and they don't. 00:34:58.240 --> 00:35:04.120 It's OK. It works. So all of these description, is this what we're paying or is this what they're paying? 00:35:04.120 --> 00:35:07.120 Is this where we're getting additional? So what is that? 00:35:07.120 --> 00:35:11.720 So basically, these are the dollar amounts that the city is paying out. 00:35:11.720 --> 00:35:16.480 So this is our cost for using transmission assets from other providers. 00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:23.240 And these are all. Now, is this a is this generally the same characters that we use? 00:35:23.240 --> 00:35:27.640 Pardon the pun throughout the history of it? Yes, exactly. 00:35:27.640 --> 00:35:31.560 And so if I understand then, Madam Chair, this was approved by the budget. Yes. 00:35:31.560 --> 00:35:36.640 So the city council's already approved this. So is this just more or less this is what we're doing and hope you like it? 00:35:36.640 --> 00:35:41.040 Because there's not really any changes we're making, is it? Just for transparency. Exactly. 00:35:41.040 --> 00:35:44.960 Thank you. Transparency important. Transparency purpose. Thank you for your time. 00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:48.360 My question is, you mentioned these ratios that we pay out on. 00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:52.600 Where do those come from? Are those from the PUCT or? 00:35:52.600 --> 00:35:57.840 Yeah. So so they're calculated based on what's called the four CP of the four coincident peaks. 00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:01.240 It's the highest use in June, July, August and September. 00:36:01.240 --> 00:36:10.360 That's average. And that that load share is what's what all these are based off of for everybody in the ERCOT market. 00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:13.200 Thank you. All right. 00:36:13.200 --> 00:36:21.320 Further questions. Do we have a motion to approve? So move seconded. 00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:25.120 All in favor say aye. Aye. 00:36:25.120 --> 00:36:35.760 OK. Next item is PUB one ninety five. Consider a contract with Felix Felix Construction Company for the ropes and ranch water reclamation plant lift station. 00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:56.280 Oh, excuse me. Good morning. How are y'all? 00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:59.160 My name is David Brown. I'm water utilities project manager. 00:36:59.160 --> 00:37:03.880 Today, I'm going to bring to you ropes and ranch plant lift station improvement. 00:37:03.880 --> 00:37:07.080 This is a phase one of the improvements out there. 00:37:07.080 --> 00:37:12.320 As you know, ropes and ranch community south on 35 going towards Fort Worth. 00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:22.120 So 20 years ago, they actually installed a wastewater plant out there that actually treats water on site, the wastewater. 00:37:22.120 --> 00:37:26.760 And so they have a permit out there. And this was put in in play about 20 years ago. 00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:34.680 They have permit out there of close to one M.G.D. per day. And right now they have reached 90 percent of that T.C.Q. permitted flows. 00:37:34.680 --> 00:37:40.680 So T.C.Q. has a rule 75 90 rule at 75 percent of the permitted flows. 00:37:40.680 --> 00:37:45.720 You're being designed and at 90 percent, we're being construction. 00:37:45.720 --> 00:37:56.120 So with this, this plan of action is to convert the existing east lift station over to convert it over to it's going to be a lift station, 00:37:56.120 --> 00:38:05.040 but it's going to pump into directly into connection that capital projects delivered that actually go into our Pecan Creek water reclamation plant. 00:38:05.040 --> 00:38:09.560 So we're utilizing a new gravity and a force made that's been recently put in. 00:38:09.560 --> 00:38:14.000 We're going to connect that over. What this does is it relieves 40 percent of those flows. 00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:19.320 We're going to take 40 percent of those flows and put it into our regular treatment over at Pecan Creek. 00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:24.640 Like I said, the east lift station pumps will be upgraded and also the piping will be upgraded. 00:38:24.640 --> 00:38:30.400 What this does is twofold. It splits the flows up basically east and west. 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:33.200 On the west side, it'll go over to the plant like we do now. 00:38:33.200 --> 00:38:40.600 There'll be a little bit of improvements on the SBR plant with disinfection. 00:38:40.600 --> 00:38:44.360 At the same time, we'll split our flows and go east, we'll go over to our Pecan Creek. 00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:48.640 So that'll increase the capacity over there at ropes and at this time. 00:38:48.640 --> 00:38:52.640 And like I said, this is phase one. There are other opportunities. We'll go into phase two. 00:38:52.640 --> 00:38:58.800 There's other opportunities which may be upgrading the plant or making a lift station connected to a gravity. 00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:05.080 Of course, we want to try to get away from lift stations and plants. We want to go to gravity on that. 00:39:05.080 --> 00:39:08.760 So with that, we have a contract. 00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:16.280 We'd like to have approved for contract with Felix Construction at two point nine million dollars, three hundred ten days for construction. 00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:23.400 Like I said, this is phase one and ropes and has we entered an agreement with ropes in the 2019 to help fund this. 00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:30.800 So a lot of the funding is coming from ropes and community be glad to answer any questions. 00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:38.360 Yes. So the current water treatment plant on the west side of the community that was built by the community. 00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:42.120 Yes, sir. It's owned, owned, operated by the city. 00:39:42.120 --> 00:39:50.200 That's all it is. So it is a city. We do have an operator over there. The city operates it, but ropes and community built it. 00:39:50.200 --> 00:39:52.560 Yes. OK. So the city operates it. 00:39:52.560 --> 00:40:11.280 So the city, in order to meet these T.E.C.Q. requirements is going to put this project, take a large percentage of the effluent flow and move it over towards the new Concrete treatment facility. 00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:15.240 Well, it's not the new. It's our existing concrete so upgraded. 00:40:15.240 --> 00:40:28.400 I apologize. What they the CIP group delivered a project as far as a force main to this lift station and then gravity along ropes and when under thirty five and connects over to the country lakes addition. 00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:33.360 And then, of course, that actually leads into our concrete plant over there off of Mayhill. 00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:37.040 Yes, sir. OK. Makes perfectly good sense. Thank you. 00:40:37.040 --> 00:40:39.560 So I have a question. Thank you. 00:40:39.560 --> 00:40:44.040 Obviously, we realize there's so much growth out there and more houses coming and such. 00:40:44.040 --> 00:40:52.120 I was curious with that last comment you made as that gravity fed goes underneath thirty five and is connected to that other large subdivision. 00:40:52.120 --> 00:41:04.240 Is this line going to be potentially being connected with other are you planning on having being connected with other subdivision developments going on or will they be parallel? 00:41:04.240 --> 00:41:16.040 When you said phase one, do you see another potential lift station or such on that side of the west of thirty five for covering all of these? 00:41:16.040 --> 00:41:23.200 The thought process with the initial project was to make that plant into a lift station, which can be converted. 00:41:23.200 --> 00:41:28.520 The plant right now actually treats wastewater, just doesn't pump it, treats and discharges into a creek. 00:41:28.520 --> 00:41:46.880 The plan is is to be able to make that a lift station because you already have the capacity, their lift station and float and actually pump reverse flow to this lift station that we're going to convert right now and and basically pump it into our conventional system that we have now. 00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:51.480 And it's a boy. Sorry. Avoid running a plant out there at Robson. 00:41:51.480 --> 00:42:02.760 So it is you have and I'm thinking phase two, phase three and such that will just be further expansion of that plan to take care of the additional demands that will be coming on that side. 00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:12.080 Yes, sir. Right now, this is kind of this is a alleviate and helps right now to be able to split that flow so you can have more capacity on that west side. 00:42:12.080 --> 00:42:27.080 And then it gives us some time in order to plan. If a developer comes in and puts in a gravity line on that north side of that plant, you know, a hundred coal addition can put a gravity line and then we can tie into that. 00:42:27.080 --> 00:42:35.240 So and with that effect, the capacity where we would need to come back to do another seventy ninety that you were talking about, not that we know of. 00:42:35.240 --> 00:42:43.840 It's been studied that not we know of that gravity line will alleviate a lot of that course. There's plans for another plant. 00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:51.320 So we have, you know, that that wastewater mass plant spells out a lot of that to take care of those that growth on that west side of thirty five. 00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:54.960 Thank you for your time. Thank you, Madam Chair. The question. Go ahead. 00:42:54.960 --> 00:43:11.560 Well, I have another question for me. It's curiosity. It's outside the scope of this project. I recognize. But we have those two new Hunter and coal ranch developments going in basically between ropes and ranch and the thirty five W. 00:43:11.560 --> 00:43:17.440 So are they also going to tie into this new east connector that you're building? 00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:23.240 Not that we know of there. They're as far as I know, they're going to build their own interceptors on that side. 00:43:23.240 --> 00:43:27.520 And they're also going to flow to Pecan Creek as of now, as of now. 00:43:27.520 --> 00:43:33.480 OK, thank you. Oh, I don't want to think the master plan for the wastewater can test somewhere. 00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:40.920 We can see that on the city website. I don't know if it's all been if it's been we haven't approved it yet. 00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:49.840 It's under review. The wastewater plants will see that coming to us coming to us at a future date soon. 00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:52.200 Thank you very much. All right. 00:43:52.200 --> 00:43:59.440 Other questions. Or do we have a motion to approve? 00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:01.400 So moved. Thank you, Mr. Pluck. 00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:05.600 And do we have a second, Mr. Rybeck? 00:44:05.600 --> 00:44:10.520 I'm going to abstain from voting since I'm employed by ropes and ranch HOA. 00:44:10.520 --> 00:44:15.840 So. All in favor, I'm abstaining. 00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:21.640 Thank you. Last item is management reports. 00:44:21.640 --> 00:44:25.840 Madam Chair, members of the board, a couple of few items that we have for you. 00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:32.360 One, we had a response to a question Mr. Rybeck had asked regarding the Spencer generation station. 00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:37.960 And what I'll say about this is that just remember that the Spencer generation station, 00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:43.960 even though it's next door to DME's campus, is not owned owned by DME nor the city of Denton, 00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:46.600 actually owned by Garland Power and Light. 00:44:46.600 --> 00:44:50.960 But we did provide some information back to Mr. Rybeck, hopefully, to answer your question. 00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:54.520 If not, I'm happy to answer anything else you may have on that. 00:44:54.520 --> 00:44:57.360 No, I thank you. I did read this prior to coming to the meeting. 00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:00.200 So thank you very much. Appreciate it. 00:45:00.200 --> 00:45:03.520 It was just curiosity. Obviously, it used to be our asset. 00:45:03.520 --> 00:45:06.280 It's right next to our op center. 00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:13.040 See, we have this big resource here and it's obviously in close proximity to our transmission system. 00:45:13.040 --> 00:45:17.040 So it seemed like something would be good to know about. So thank you. 00:45:17.040 --> 00:45:25.880 And feature agenda items. So December 11th, we have on schedule the Wastewater Master Plan 00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:30.880 that will be coming to you by that department. They're still working on that. 00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:35.760 And we'll begin that over to you and certainly be a work session with you. 00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:38.400 And then new business action items. 00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:42.320 The one item that we had was a request from Mr. Rybeck on the Spencer station. 00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:48.640 So we've provided a response to that. Happy to answer any other questions or if there's any other requests. 00:45:48.640 --> 00:45:58.560 I would like to make a request, as I stated earlier, regarding what information the fleet fleet has on 00:45:58.560 --> 00:46:03.520 EV operation versus conventional ICE vehicles. 00:46:03.520 --> 00:46:06.400 And I understand that it might take a while to gather data. 00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:10.560 So if this is appropriate in six months or a year, that's fine. 00:46:10.560 --> 00:46:19.680 I just wanted to just kind of begin to get an understanding for fleet at the fleet level, what the cost difference is. 00:46:19.680 --> 00:46:25.720 Yeah, well, we'll get it added. And I'll talk to Tom Gremer, who's the director of fleet operations and make him aware of it. 00:46:25.720 --> 00:46:32.000 Thank you. I do have a question for a future agenda, which is my third party software question. 00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:39.120 It really occurred to me that we've talked a lot about various and sundry software systems and automated billing and things of that nature. 00:46:39.120 --> 00:46:49.280 So I'd like to know what steps the city is taking to protect our information from data breach from via third party software vendors. 00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:53.360 Yeah, let me let me visit with our technology department about that. 00:46:53.360 --> 00:47:00.200 Also, our legal department to make sure that that's something that can come to the border and how how it would come to the board. 00:47:00.200 --> 00:47:03.240 But certainly, I'll get back to you in response to that. 00:47:03.240 --> 00:47:13.000 Thank you. And again, this blink system and then the software and I got to thinking about all the third party software breaches that our data has suffered. 00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:21.840 So I would be curious to know what steps the city is taking since we're obviously in the business of adding more vendor software to our universal systems. 00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:29.760 Yeah, certainly a high priority item for us as a matter of fact, that tomorrow several of us are attending a cybersecurity training down in Rowlett. 00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:38.360 So it is something that is high on everybody's mind as we deal with a multitude of data and information. 00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:43.640 So. And we're on to concluding items. 00:47:43.640 --> 00:47:51.320 Does any board member wish to say anything to the public or have something put on a future agenda? 00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:56.520 OK, seeing none, do we have a motion to adjourn? 00:47:56.520 --> 00:47:59.400 Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Taylor. We're adjourned.