1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,640 vice-chair until you're not. This is Monday October 2nd 2023 at 5 30 p.m. I'm calling the 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:20,560 Board of Ethics to order and our first item is item A BOE 23-37 receive nominations and hold 3 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:31,600 an election of a chair and vice-chair. I mean I'm fine if we want to postpone it. Madam Chair if I 4 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:41,600 could ask we have three members that are actual members we have two alternates. I personally would 5 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:48,080 concur with your thoughts in holding off until the next meeting and really push to have 6 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:56,560 the members here. The alternates get to vote of course but I think no offense to anyone but I 7 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:03,120 would like to see us have another one and do you need a motion Madam Chair or Madison for that? 8 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:09,280 I won't do that yet because if some may not think that way so 9 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:14,400 someone else wants to make a motion I'm about to second it or I'll make it but I don't want to 10 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:21,600 push anything. I would agree and I would second that motion if you were to make it. Madam Chair 11 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:30,480 that I move that uh do we call it by its BOE number? Just a motion to postpone. Okay then 12 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:36,560 I move that we postpone the nominations and hold the election for the chair and vice-chair until next 13 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:45,760 scheduled meeting. And that would be November 6th. Thank you. 14 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:56,400 I second that. Okay so um the motion is on the floor to postpone the um the nominations and 15 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:04,160 election of the chair and vice-chair until the next meeting which would be November 6th. Okay 16 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:22,240 so all in favor. Aye. That was unanimous. Okay um the second item the BOE 23-038 consider approval 17 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:32,960 on minutes for August 7th 2023. Do I hear a motion? I motion to accept it. Second. Okay 18 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:44,480 so all in favor of approving the minutes from August 7th. Aye. Okay now we're on to training. 19 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:52,640 I wonder if we should can we postpone that too? Uh we can. I believe I think so yes. 20 00:02:52,640 --> 00:03:01,360 I have a question. Is the training available online or is that part of it? 21 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:09,760 Not yet. I'm working on that. Yeah I mean it once it is held it will be available to go back and 22 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:18,080 watch so. So we have two full members who couldn't be here tonight or three. Is Justin's team? Yes 23 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:27,600 three. So three. I I would entertain that motion. I move to postpone the training until more members. 24 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:33,440 Okay Patricia Brinke has moved to postpone the training until the next meeting. 25 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:46,800 Is there a second motion? Seconded. Okay question. Yes. How is the training presentation is that 26 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:55,120 different from the video that we published? Yes so um that because of the changes that remain to the 27 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:59,600 ordinance that training is no longer completely original training is no longer completely accurate 28 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:06,400 so I've created a new training that's updated it's shorter um and we reviewed it uh in June I 29 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,880 believe with the board before it kind of went into effect it's been given to the city council 30 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:16,720 and it's going to be given to the other city officials this month as well so. Then I think 31 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:27,280 that's a great idea. So we're ready for our vote to postpone the training um BoE 23-39 to next month. 32 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:32,720 All in favor? Aye. Let's unanimous. 33 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,680 Okay. 34 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:55,200 All right. I was fast. So we're moving on to item D BoE 23-040. Receive a report hold a discussion 35 00:04:55,200 --> 00:05:01,280 and take necessary action regarding the ethics complaint process detailed in the code of ordinances. 36 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:10,000 So um so I don't have a presentation exactly but it took the direction I believe I was given 37 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,480 last time and tried to make changes to the ethics ordinance as well as the rules of procedure 38 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:22,000 to reflect the removal of the burden of proof section as well as um allow for the board to 39 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:28,240 request the complainant and or respondent gather additional evidence prior to an 40 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:36,320 evidentiary hearing being held. Um this uh chart is supposed to try to visualize the difference in 41 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:42,720 the the new process based on those changes and then this table is supposed to compare the current 42 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:51,680 procedure to the proposed procedure um as best as possible. So I can pull up the red lines um and then 43 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,200 this is really just for your consideration what you would like to do further based on 44 00:05:55,200 --> 00:06:08,560 y'all's previous discussion. Okay I see that first chart. And I think the big difference is 45 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:13,440 it kind of necessitates the board to have a preliminary hearing if they would like to 46 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:23,120 have additional evidence at this point. What are your reactions? 47 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,320 I like it. Yeah I think it looks good. 48 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:31,520 It's the same it's the spirit of what we talked about. Yes yeah yeah. 49 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,280 Could we see the other screen please I'm sorry. 50 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:51,680 That's nice. I like it. Is anybody is there any more discussion that we need to have about it? 51 00:06:51,680 --> 00:07:01,360 Does this go before the council now? Oh when we when we have several recommendations to make 52 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,760 we'll go before the council. Right it's one that still has to. Right yeah so historically we've 53 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:11,200 taken a packet so several potential amendments to the city council we would likely could take them 54 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:18,080 one at a time. That's a lot of work. I mean it's it's kind of either way it's going to be different 55 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:23,840 kind of massive work. I wouldn't recommend against that honestly. So yeah it's really what y'all would 56 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:28,720 prefer but yes it does have to go before the city council in order to be adopted into the ordinance. 57 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:37,200 So is anybody ready to put a motion on the floor about... Could we just have a quick look at the 58 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:45,680 red lines? Sure. Here this is all that has really changed in the ethics ordinance is just removing 59 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:51,680 this and then you guys had discussed wanting to make sure this was clear that another it didn't 60 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:57,120 have to be legal counsel on the ethics ordinance so I just added that. Okay. And then in the rules 61 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,440 of procedure is more where it's been. Yes. 62 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:15,200 So here it's trying to clarify that you can the board of ethics during the summary hearing 63 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:21,360 can request that additional evidence and put out a timeline for that. So after that hearing 64 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:26,880 I would be responsible for sending those additional requests to the complainant and respondent 65 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:33,600 and then also I'll be available to facilitate any open records request submissions and then 66 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:41,760 the rest of these are really to try to make more clear that the complainant is not required to 67 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:46,880 attend anymore. You can't just dismiss a complaint because the complainant hasn't attended the hearing. 68 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:54,000 This is a little clean up because I don't used to be accused but now it's responded 69 00:08:54,000 --> 00:09:02,880 and then removing this section it was kind of confusing honestly and then just trying to clarify 70 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:08,320 opening state really wasn't that table so I could yeah. 71 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:18,400 And then also removing the burden of proof section from this the rules of procedure as well. 72 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:24,880 So I can go to a specific part if you'd like to look at it I know it's kind of a long. 73 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:33,600 And the rest is just remembering right yeah yeah. 74 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:42,160 I like the in the opening statement has changed the shower to may. 75 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:56,160 Any other questions or applications or comments? 76 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,520 It's good don't you think? I like it do you want to. 77 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:15,600 I'll make a motion that we accept the changes. Was there a speaker for this item? 78 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:24,560 Yeah I think so. Oh okay. Is this the? Yes. Yeah I'll have that couple things to say. Okay. 79 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:32,880 So I guess if you will come forward and state your name and 80 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:39,440 your four minutes. That's four minutes right? Your four minutes will be. 81 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:44,880 I know that I did I ran out of paper that's part of why I was why I was running late so 82 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:49,680 I don't have enough for everybody but I do have enough for a couple. 83 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:56,160 This sounds like it's a complaint. Yeah that is. I don't think that this is the time. 84 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:01,920 Well are you speaking on the? Yeah I know I'm here about this item but that was 85 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:08,480 I wanted to distribute that while I was here. So we have two items from you? Sure why not. 86 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:15,920 Well so they asked if there were any speakers on this item that's why I'm here and so while 87 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:21,120 I came up I was just distributing this other. And that's fine we'll just hold on to this but 88 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:25,120 we can't speak on this item because we're not posted for this we're only posted for this item. 89 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:33,680 So we can only have discussion. I'm going to talk about about the. Sure. Sure yeah and that's fine. 90 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:42,880 So no names no complaints about anybody in particular. No is that is that is that a normal 91 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:49,600 thing that. Yeah we don't the complaints go through the auditor. Okay so so we can't talk to the public 92 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:54,400 about complaints that we have relative to you know public welfare in general. That there's a procedure 93 00:11:54,400 --> 00:12:00,320 for that and it starts with the auditor. Okay I mean I just yeah seeking clarity is all. I just 94 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:05,520 want to be consistent and fair. No absolutely and I certainly want to be fair too I you know 95 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:12,720 we'll leave it at that. And I did forward this email to you guys so all of y'all or I forwarded 96 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:18,240 it to the secretary so all y'all should have it at least by tomorrow. Okay there's just a couple of 97 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:24,960 things in here relative to changes that are being made. Why are we changing from abstain abstain 98 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:34,240 or abstainment to abstention. A couple of this this really I was actually more prepared to speak 99 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:42,160 on this. Generally I oppose any changes to our especially our code of ethics right now 100 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:49,280 because I think there's some surreptitious agendas that are acting under the surface. And so without 101 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:56,880 any offense being intended toward you all. Okay we've got some big issues relative to the life 102 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:05,040 for the average person in the city. Okay that complaint that I I'm making now after 10 months 103 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:10,560 is relative to a testimony that I gave January of this year. Okay and so I've waited for that 104 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:17,120 individual for months and months to do what is what I consider the right thing and they didn't 105 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:23,200 do it. And so for that reason I'm going to ask you guys to oppose any changes being adopted because 106 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:27,840 I don't believe that y'all are aware of the true affect that that's going to have for our community. 107 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:32,800 Okay and then that's all I'll say on this. Okay thank you guys. Thank you. 108 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:48,000 I I may. Sure here you can actually have this my copy. I don't need it thank you. 109 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:58,000 I'm talking about I just want to talk about what you said on the podium. So what you see up there 110 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:06,400 you're opposed to. From from looking at from looking through this is I printed out y'all's 111 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:12,480 agenda. Yeah I'm opposed to any changes any substantive changes to the procedure for the 112 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:18,000 Board of Ethics right now. Absolutely. And you're opposed to it because of some but there is 113 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:25,120 activity going on that we're not aware of. If you are aware of it now and. I'm not aware of any. 114 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:30,560 Okay well I mean you just touched the document you're aware of. So well so I mean it's the same 115 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:36,640 as being served. I mean that we're dealing with technicalities that are being hidden by attorneys 116 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:42,080 and it's stuff that it goes it does affect every individual living in the city. And so the stuff 117 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:46,240 that I'm seeing substantively why what's the definition for the word abstention. What's the 118 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:53,200 definition for the word abstainment. Why is that change necessary to make in a public in our records. 119 00:14:53,200 --> 00:15:00,400 Why is that necessary at the city level. Okay and so the these if it's just a you know common usage 120 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:05,920 and we'd be talking about something different but that's not what we're talking about. We're 121 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:13,760 talking about intense and we're talking about people changing the form of testimony. What you 122 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:20,160 know the there's a procedure in here that is essentially blotted out that the complainant 123 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:26,480 says something first and then the or respondent or defendant whatever you guys want to call it. 124 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:32,560 Says something next and that needs to be in there. You know we need to have that articulated. Not 125 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:37,920 that it may happen but it shall. Okay and these are that answered my question. Thank you. Yeah. 126 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:50,320 Okay thank you guys. 127 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,040 We would have to go into a closed session to discuss legal issues. 128 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,240 I think it would depend on what they are. 129 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:09,760 It would as long as it's an item. I don't know that we have anything posted that we 130 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,880 would allow for an enclosed session at this point. 131 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:26,000 So I have a question for the rest of what he wanted to talk about. Would that be considered 132 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,400 an ethics complaint and that would be filed that way or what what was the procedure he would want 133 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:36,240 to do to talk about the rest of what he had to present? What is the procedure for him? So in 134 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,760 order to file an ethics complaint there's a specific form that you have. I mean is that what 135 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:45,280 that is? Is the rest of it was an ethics complaint? It's intended my understanding is it's intended to 136 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:50,400 be an ethics complaint. It's not currently on the correct form so I will work with him. So you work 137 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:58,560 with him to get him. Yeah. It's supposed to be authorized as well. I think that's some property 138 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:07,120 we need to follow the procedures that we have. So can I make a comment on one of the comments that 139 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:18,960 Mr. Dillenberg made? I believe so. If it's on the posted item. Yes it is. So my understanding 140 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:27,040 and I'm an alternate on this board but I watch all of the meetings but these changes are not 141 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:33,040 necessarily generated by the city council members. They are generated through the discussion of the 142 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:42,320 board with the goal to make it as easy as possible on the complaint to come forward with a complaint 143 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:49,840 to be heard to have the evidence that they need and to support their complaint so that we have 144 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:56,720 the information to make an determination. My understanding in terms of how the city council 145 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:05,520 can propose their own changes without the board of ethics but the board of ethics in order to propose 146 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:16,320 a change that comes from us. And this this process there's been a number of meetings and a 147 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:22,160 number of discussions about this their issue with the goal of making it easier to complain and not 148 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:35,760 it's not harder. I don't know if I should say anything. If you have a response. Should I go 149 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:48,320 back up there? Yes. Okay. I appreciate that very much. I think that's something that I'm thankful 150 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:54,000 that you guys have that in mind and I've always seen that when I watch y'all's meetings but there's 151 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:59,920 a lot of stuff going on and this complaint that I made is just kind of one of a number of things. 152 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:09,520 That's a different issue. Anyway I agree and so my point in saying that I don't agree with it is 153 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:21,600 and where I don't necessarily argue that that you guys aren't doing that maybe by intention I think 154 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:30,880 that it needs to be a like certain responsibilities need to remain with the complaintant like being 155 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:37,120 present for the meeting you know you guys struck that part said if he's not if they're not here 156 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:43,520 then the complaint is dismissed. I don't have any problem that as a general member of the public 157 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:50,880 with only you know the interests of myself and my fellow man obviously as an American and as a text 158 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:57,760 I think we care about each other generally and and so in saying that you should be here to present 159 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:02,080 your complaint if you're going to be complaining against someone on allegations that are relatively 160 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:09,680 serious in most cases. So again any substantive changes I'm just not having any favor of right 161 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:14,160 now especially until some of this other stuff comes to light. It's Gandhi's birthday today so 162 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:19,840 happy birthday Gandhi. Here's to a better world and hopefully you guys will at least wait on this for 163 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:24,640 now until you guys have a chance to review the rest of this stuff and and see what I'm talking 164 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:30,640 about okay. All right and I apologize for no notice. I waited until the last minute for this 165 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:37,120 person's behalf. It was for no other reason than that that I wanted to give them every chance that 166 00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:41,840 I could to do something about it before I came and yes. All right thanks so much. 167 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:53,680 How many questions? All right call the question. Okay so is there a motion on the board because I 168 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:59,120 did not think there was. I thought there was a motion. I actually started the motion but then 169 00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:06,720 okay we moved. Okay so let's lay the motion on the floor and then we'll we'll vote on it. I move 170 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:12,960 to accept the changes to the code as we discussed in previous meetings and presented by Madison. 171 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:22,240 Is there a second? I second. Okay so Andrea has made the motion to approve the proposal for BOE 172 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:32,960 041 and Deborah seconded. So all in favor. Do we have any discussion or anything? Any discussion? 173 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:41,040 Do you want this? I just want to make sure in case you wanted to say if you wanted to 174 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:52,480 postpone this vote too. I think we're ready to vote. I think we heard enough of you heard evidence. 175 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:59,920 We spent a lot of time talking about this at the last meeting and several other meetings actually. 176 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:06,480 Yeah and I'm going to abstain just because I haven't been okay. This is my first meeting in 177 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:20,000 several months. So all in favor. Andrea, Deborah, me, Rob. Rob is four and Patricia is abstaining. 178 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:34,400 Okay this last item BOE 23-041. Discuss future meeting topics. Once again I think we might want 179 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:42,960 to postpone it until we have everybody here. I would appreciate some direction on what you 180 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:48,480 would like to see at the next meeting. Okay yes because we know there's going to be the election. 181 00:22:48,480 --> 00:23:01,440 One thing that I would really like to consider adding would be consider looking at the code of 182 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:09,760 ethics that the city employees have because it's quite different from the one that we have for city 183 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:17,840 officials and my concern with it is the one for city officials is actually a pretty good code. 184 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:22,800 In my opinion this one is not. It's very weak. There's a lot of 185 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:32,640 holes in it which we're trying to knit together but I'm not asking. I want to make it clear I 186 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:40,240 would not want to. The city manager would have decisions over city employees but I think there 187 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:48,160 could be a real problem if a city let's say a city council member asks an employee to do something 188 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:53,600 that is a violation of their code of ethics which is actually a bit more strict. 189 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,680 Then what do they do? Do they go with what the council member is asking 190 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:06,480 and violate their own code of ethics or do they say no and possibly face some kind of 191 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:16,000 get fired lose their job. I do think that there would be great benefit for both groups having 192 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:21,920 the same thing and it's been a while since I've read that code but I thought it was pretty good 193 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:28,480 when I did read it. So I would like to put that on the list and I would like to maybe 194 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:36,000 reorder these things. Here's all of the items that are currently on the list before this meeting. 195 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:43,040 I guess I'm not quite sure what you would like me to bring back as far as the city 196 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:49,120 ethics policy. I think probably we need to just have a very big discussion next time about what 197 00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:55,760 the order is and you know some of this stuff is a couple of years old and I don't know if it's 198 00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:05,120 as important so we're getting new board members in I think that we should weigh in on and plus add 199 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:13,680 new things and then so I would just say go back to the drawing board at the next meeting about 200 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:22,080 you know what the order is. So I have an objection to that because I know a lot of discussion has 201 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:32,960 gone into these topics already and some resolution I think some of them will be good. I think to 202 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:38,880 start all over again is to throw out the valuable work that prior members have done. Okay. So 203 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:46,080 for next month Madison you have something on financial thresholds, 204 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:51,200 definition of pending matter, that is a big one. That's a big one. Yeah. 205 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:59,440 So I actually wanted, I'm sorry. Oh go ahead. I was actually considering the same question is 206 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:05,040 going back to those changes that we had submitted before and kind of like because we had discussed 207 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:12,080 that there was a potential that we can resubmit, like revisit them, go over them and then 208 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:17,680 resubmit them to the City Council which especially since we're just adopting something else I think 209 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:24,800 at this time if we were to go and revisit those items that were not considered by the City Council 210 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:33,280 and look at those topics and build a package over the next couple of months that could be submitted 211 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:38,480 to the City Council maybe in January. I mean I don't want to make a tight one but like 212 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:43,840 because that was something that I was missing the last couple of meetings is that we never 213 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:52,000 went back to once the City Council came back to us with no direction on those on those changes. 214 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:59,760 Yeah these are the ones that got put on the list after that basically they're revisiting those 215 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:06,560 topics that we discussed. So looking at the calendar I was looking I was thinking that if we 216 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:13,360 we're obviously having to move the election down to November and we're moving the ethics training 217 00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:19,040 down to November so maybe we can keep like the definition of pending matter. I think that's going 218 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:26,160 to be a big long topic and then the rest I think should be put in a list and then we decide what 219 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:32,880 the order is because there's a new there's new members and I want to have everybody involved. 220 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:38,480 So I would be really good with that because I think the pending matter is going to be 221 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:45,200 could be a lengthy discussion. And if it pushes to have members here in November 222 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:54,560 I think that's a good time to give into that. Yeah so the direction I'm hearing is next meeting 223 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,680 we'll have the minutes obviously the election of chair and vice chair the ethics annual ethics 224 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:04,960 ordinance training a definition of the beginning of the definition of pending matter discussion 225 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,120 and then perhaps like 10 minutes dedicated to future meeting topics instead of our usual five. 226 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:17,600 One other thing that I wanted to consider would it be possible kind of out of difference to staff 227 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:25,200 to have our meetings during the day or? It is possible. Because I know that I know that you 228 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:34,080 and Tammy have to stay late and Scott knows too. I can add a discussion of the meeting schedule 229 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:47,920 the next year. I think we need to do that anyway. Okay so I can add that to the agenda for next month. 230 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:57,360 So it sounds like that concludes the item 041 and so is that correct has everybody had the 231 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:06,160 chance to speak about that? Okay so this meeting is adjourned at 5.59 p.m.