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 Good evening and welcome to the work session for the Planning and Zoning Commission for

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 September 27th.

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 My name is Tim Smith, I'm the Vice Chair and I'll be calling meeting to order at 502.

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 Let the record stand that Commissioner or Chair Ellis will be absent tonight.

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 So with that said, we'll move forward to our work session item.

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 I don't think we have any citizens here to comment on consent agenda items.

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 So we will move forward.

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 It's a clarification of agenda items listed on the agenda for this meeting.

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 Starting with the consent agenda, do any commissioners have any questions for consent agenda items?

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 Okay, seeing none, we'll move forward to items for individual consideration starting with

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 FP23-0022B.

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 There was a late email that was sent in, this is presented by Julie, changing this to approval

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 without conditions.

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 Does Julie have a presentation, anything you want to talk about there?

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 I do, let me pull this up.

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 Good evening, Julie Wyatt.

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 This is FP23-0022B, this is phase two of Townsend Green, I know you all have seen this a couple

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 of times before.

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 Single family residential development on the south side of McKinney.

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 Phase one is currently under construction and they are proposing phase two.

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 If you recall your last meeting, you approved this with a condition regarding a development

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 agreement associated with the park property that's going to be dedicated on the south

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 side of the tract.

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 That was approved by council last night, so that removes the condition, satisfies it,

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 and staff has changed the recommendation to approval without any conditions.

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 I'll be happy to answer any questions.

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 Any questions for Julie?

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 I'm just curious, I know McKinney Street, I'm not familiar with the other, Peterson

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 Creekway, where exactly is this located?

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 It is actually, it's east of Ryan High School, it's as you're going toward the lake.

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 All righty, thank you very much.

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 Any other questions for Julie?

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 All righty, Julie, the next one is yours, FP23-0016B, Riney Elementary.

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 All right, so this is a final plat for Riney Elementary.

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 It is located on the north side of town, kind of northwest off of Bonnie Bray and south of

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 Riney Road.

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 They have satisfied all of the requirements for the final plat, but they still have a

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 couple of items related to their civil engineering plans.

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 That's not gonna change the easements on the property or the boundaries of the property,

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 it's just working through a little outfall structure, a couple of things.

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 So staff is recommending approval of this plat with a condition that the civil engineering

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 plans need to be approved before final, final approval.

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 Okay, any questions for Julie on this one?

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 Commissioner Pruitt? Just to be a little bit new vocabulary, could you define outfall structure?

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 That's just one I haven't heard before.

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 It is the structure, and I'm gonna use layman's terms here, but it's the structure that kind

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 of bridges that detention pond to our sewer system and kind of slows that water.

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 Got it.

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 Thank you.

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 My understanding.

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 It's an improvement associated with drainage, so storm sewer, not sanitary.

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 Oh, did I say sanitary?

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 I'm sorry.

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 You just said sewer in general, so I wanted to make sure we were talking about that.

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 Gross.

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 Sounds good.

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 I was kind of scratching my head, too.

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 I was like, "Oh, didn't know."

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 I know, right?

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 I wanted to make sure I said that was...

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 Sorry.

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 Was it 1604?

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 Got it.

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 Okay, any other questions for Julie?

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 Okay, seeing none, we'll keep on moving along with the Julie Train FP23-0024 Oak Vista.

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 All right.

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 So, this is another single family residence, or I'm sorry, it is a duplex development that

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 you have seen a couple of times.

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 It is located south of McKinney, west of Loop 288, kind of between the future Dutchess Extension

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 and McKinney.

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 They have a preliminary plat approved.

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 They are now moving forward to the final plat stage.

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 They do have some things that they need to correct in order to meet all of our requirements

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 so staff is recommending denial.

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 However, we have no objection to their requested extension to October 25th, and I'll be happy

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 to answer any questions.

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 Any questions for Julie?

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 Okay.

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 All right.

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 Three for three, Julie.

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 Thank you.

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 Thank you.

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 Batten Cleanup is Mia Hines with FP23-0025.

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 It's not the first time that was said, Batten Cleanup.

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 No, Mia Hines, Associate Planner.

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 This is a final plat for Golden Point Industrial.

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 One of the things that they need to fix on themselves is their name.

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 Among other things, that this is not ready for staff's recommendation of approval.

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 It doesn't meet our criteria for approval, but we have no objection to the requested

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 extension which could be granted to October 25th, 2023.

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 With that, I'll take any questions.

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 They put the wrong name on there?

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 They did.

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 Yeah.

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 They've used a preliminary plat, and then they're civil, so they changed the project

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 name and they didn't go back to it.

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 Understood.

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 Any questions for Mia?

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 Okay.

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 Seeing none.

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 Thanks, Mia.

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 I appreciate it.

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 Okay.

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 With that, we'll conclude our items for individual consideration.

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 Moving forward to our public hearing starting with 5A DCA 23-0008, as presented by Aaron.

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 There he is.

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 Binion?

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 Binion.

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 All right.

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 Binion.

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 Got it.

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 Thank you.

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 All right.

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 Thank you.

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 Let me get this pulled up for you.

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 Again, thank you.

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 I'm Aaron Binion with DME Engineering, and here to talk a little bit about street light

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 requirements in the Denton Development Code.

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 A little bit of background, so street lighting requirements used to be covered by the City

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 Code of Ordinances.

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 When the Development Code was created, some of those requirements were transferred over.

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 DME was tasked with reviewing that recently to see, basically to check on some compliance

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 issues, we were notified by citizens that had caught that some of our lights were in

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 compliant with the new Development Code requirements.

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 We have Cobra Head lights throughout the city, and those meet our current requirements, but

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 our Acorn post-top style lights do not meet requirement C, as shown here.

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 In paragraph 7.11.6C, it talks about a light that does not emit any uplight.

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 It's a full cutoff light, is how they describe it.

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 Our current Acorns don't meet that, and so as part of our attempts to become compliant

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 with this, we would like to be able to move forward, and at present, we are working with

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 the City Council to select a light that does meet that requirement for residential developments,

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 but rather than make that requirement retroactive to all existing lights, our recommendation

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 is to slightly modify the wording and request that all new developments install this light,

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 and moving forward, we can be compliant.

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 And then also in the Denton Development Code, the last requirement, 7.11.6D, talks about

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 a light that does not emit any light onto neighboring properties.

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 Unfortunately, the physics of that, neighboring properties could be a foot away, depending

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 on where the pole is placed, and so it's just not feasible to enforce that requirement.

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 That said, DME has been tasked with creating a street lighting criteria manual, and this

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 manual covers installation requirements, it covers the developer responsibilities and

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 the city responsibilities, and it follows national standards for lighting, and so our

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 recommendation is actually that we implement this street lighting criteria manual, and

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 that that last requirement simply refer to the new street light criteria manual instead.

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 So here's the recommended wording for each of those sections.

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 Before I move on, any questions on that?

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 We will be having a work session report on the street light criteria manual, so if you

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 have any questions about that, not to say hold your questions for that at that time,

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 but anything on 7.11.6C or D. Okay, seeing none.

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 So our recommendation is simply that those changes be approved, and that's it for us.

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 All right, any questions for Aaron?

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 All good?

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 Thank you, Aaron.

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 Appreciate it.

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 Thank you.

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 Okay, it takes us to 5B, S23-0002, we'll be holding a public hearing, consider recommendations

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 to the Council on Steward Apartment Properties, LLC, presented by Mia Hines.

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 Good evening again, Mia Hines, Associate Planner, just a quick summary, I have a full presentation

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 that I'm prepared to present in the regular session, but a quick summary.

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 This is a request for an SUP for a multifamily building located on an MN property or proposed

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 on an MN property, exceeding the height, exceeding 41 feet in height, essentially.

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 The maximum building height within the MN district is actually 65 feet, but when it's

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 adjacent to residential properties, anything proposed between 41 feet and 65 feet does

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 require a specific use permit.

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 One of their buildings has a 53-foot building height, and so they are requesting that that

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 height be approved as a part of the specific use permit.

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 The request is consistent with our criteria for approval, as well as our future land use

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 map, so staff is recommending approval, and I did get a clarified version of their site

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 plan, which shows direct connections directly to Stewart Road from the building, and we'll

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 flesh out whether the ADA compliance and all that stuff with building permits and civil

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 engineering plans as well.

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 So with that, were there any questions?

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 Yeah, I received an email from a citizen with concerns regarding potentially posing a hazard

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 to drivers northbound on Stewart Road who were turning right on Loop 288, as well as

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 drivers on Loop 288 turning left.

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 Have you heard about these concerns at all by chance?

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 So drivers on Loop 288 turning left?

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 And drivers northbound on Stewart Road was the main concern, who were turning right onto

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 Loop 288.

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 Okay, so yeah, of course, we have those site visibility clearance requirements that will

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 be or were checked with this site plan, as well as will be checked with our civil engineering

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 plans to make sure that where that stopping point is for that intersection, that those

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 buildings are set back enough and any landscaping is cut back enough to meet those requirements.

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 And then you said left, left onto two, I'm sorry, I didn't.

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 I think I was reading that wrong.

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 Okay.

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 Just that.

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 Okay, yeah.

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 Okay.

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 And for clarification for this one, this is a sort of T intersections to a road doesn't

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 continue through Loop 288.

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 So it would just be that that right turn movement onto Loop 288 or right turn movement off of

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 Loop 288 onto Stewart Road.

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 Thank you.

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 And just one additional question, did the applicant perhaps give a reason why they didn't

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 host a public meeting considering this is in a well lived in single family neighborhood?

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 They did not, but they are here if you want to pose that question either to now or they'll

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 be prepared to speak during the regular session as well.

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 I can ask them during the session.

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 Okay.

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 Thank you.

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 We'll ask them during the session.

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 Commissioner Colman.

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 Thank you, Vice Chair.

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 Mia is, would this property be included into the Northeast Denton Area Plan?

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 It is just outside the bounds sort of to the southwest of that Northeast Denton Area Plan.

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 Thank you.

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 Any other questions for Mia?

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 Mia, can you show me, I was looking at the site plan and it's hard to see on there.

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 That left or that diagonal from left to right of the triangle, those are all parking lots.

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 Those are all parking spaces, correct?

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 And then the buildings are going to be pretty much along 288 and Stewart.

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 So do we have measurements of essentially, obviously the site itself will not be set

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 back from the neighbors, but do you have numbers of what the set the setback is from the building?

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 Yeah.

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 Thank you.

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 There are dimensions on here specifically related to the buildings.

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 This is an exhibit that I had to sort of show the building heights and transition zone requirements

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 that we have, which requires that properties within, I'm sorry, buildings located within

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 50 feet of that residential property, maintain a maximum building height of 40 feet, buildings

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 between 50 feet and 100 feet, cannot go over 55 feet and then beyond that is 65 feet.

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 So what you see in that green area is beyond 100 feet.

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 The site plan for building B, it looks like that one might be at like 61 feet and then

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 that building A is of course further back from that, but I can get exact dimensions

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 for you if you want to know that.

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 And the screening and buffering within there, it is just along the residential section,

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 correct?

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 Correct.

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 Okay, understood.

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 And then on ingress and egress from 288 onto Stewart, will this property require a change,

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 substantial change to Stewart for any type of traffic mitigation because of the property,

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 I'm doubting that's going to require any type of traffic mitigation to a tech stock road

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 of Luke 288.

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 Correct.

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 Yeah, so they did submit a TIA and that TIA came with recommendations of a center left

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 turn lane within Stewart Road.

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 So they are proposing that as part of this development, those offsite improvements, as

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 well as of course those pedestrian assets, that 10 foot wide side path within Stewart

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 Road as well.

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 Okay.

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 But there would be no slower speed up lanes on 288.

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 No, the TIA didn't warrant that.

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 Gotcha.

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 Understood.

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 Okay, understood.

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 Okay.

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 Any other questions for Mia?

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 Okay.

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 Cool.

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 Thank you, Mia.

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 Appreciate it.

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 All right.

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 With that, that concludes all of our agenda review items we have for tonight.

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 Moving us to work session reports.

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 We do, we are making a change to the work session reports in order.

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 We will be addressing 3B first and then 3A second, so starting with 3B, PZ23-191, report

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 and whole discussion regarding the design downtown Denton plan.

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 Good evening, everyone.

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 Cameron Robertson, Historic Preservation Officer.

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 And with me, I have Sean Jacobson, Associate Planner.

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 And we are really excited to be here with y'all tonight.

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 We are going to just start to give you all kind of that insight into the design downtown

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 Denton plan.

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 So it was our, it's our downtown master plan update, which was done in 2002.

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 So we're going to just kind of be walking you all through what we've done so far, the

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 project team and all that.

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 So let's get started.

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 So the first kind of topics that we're going to be running through, as I say, is that project

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 team, our consultant staff who are on this, as well as that project background as to why

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 we're doing this right now, then we're going to be going into a project overview, which

00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:31.200
 will be going over our scheduling and the current phases that we're in right now.

00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:35.180
 Then we're going to be covering public engagement, what we're doing as you guys have the coasters

00:16:35.180 --> 00:16:38.280
 and stickers thus far on in front of you.

00:16:38.280 --> 00:16:39.960
 So that's a little bit of that public engagement.

00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:43.400
 We're going to go into a little bit further and then our upcoming events that are part

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 of our phase one.

00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:52.080
 So starting off with our city of Denton team, we have Tina Fergens, our planning director,

00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:57.680
 Gary Packin, who is our parks director, myself as the project manager, Sean Jacobson as the

00:16:57.680 --> 00:17:03.720
 deputy project manager, and then Wayne Emerson, unfortunately, has left for the town of Addison

00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:05.080
 as of two weeks ago.

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 So we have Erica Sullivan, who's kind of stepping in for the economic development director role

00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:16.300
 and will be helping us in the meantime.

00:17:16.300 --> 00:17:21.720
 So our consultant, absolutely wonderful consultant that we have here is Men Collaborative.

00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:26.060
 They are based both in Minneapolis and Austin, Texas.

00:17:26.060 --> 00:17:30.920
 So the project manager for Men Collaborative is Zach Lockram.

00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:33.000
 Todd Austin is one of the associate planners.

00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:37.480
 He's been helping a lot with data and kind of that note taking and assistance on that

00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:40.040
 public engagement that we've been having here as of late.

00:17:40.040 --> 00:17:42.520
 Michelle Bright, she's the principal in charge.

00:17:42.520 --> 00:17:49.340
 She is really focused in landscape architecture design, environmental design, natural resources

00:17:49.340 --> 00:17:50.340
 and all that.

00:17:50.340 --> 00:17:54.000
 We also have Sandy Molnars-Kolmstok.

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 She is the lead landscape architect, so she's going to be really helping with the Quaker

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 Town Park new plan.

00:18:02.180 --> 00:18:07.440
 But in addition to the Men Collaborative team, we do have additional members.

00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:10.440
 As Sean and I are going to kind of discuss through this presentation, we have a lot of

00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:14.080
 key areas that we're focusing on here in downtown.

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 But we did want to highlight those additional team members.

00:18:16.320 --> 00:18:21.160
 We have Post Oak Preservation, who's specifically focused on historic preservation and that

00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:23.840
 creating new policies perhaps.

00:18:23.840 --> 00:18:27.680
 William Fulton Group, which is focused on economic development.

00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:32.540
 Nelson Nygaard, which is looking more at that parking, mobility, that multimodal transportation

00:18:32.540 --> 00:18:34.880
 that we need downtown.

00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:38.760
 Then we have the Catalyst Group, which is looking at market research and that transit-oriented

00:18:38.760 --> 00:18:43.560
 development strategies.

00:18:43.560 --> 00:18:49.220
 So diving into the project background, so as I stated, the reason that we are starting

00:18:49.220 --> 00:18:53.780
 on this design downtown Denton plan is we really need to update our master plan that

00:18:53.780 --> 00:18:55.440
 was done in 2002.

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 It's been over 20 years.

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 We've seen a lot of growth in Denton, but also in the downtown area.

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 And we need to kind of figure out what our different priorities are for the downtown

00:19:05.080 --> 00:19:06.660
 neighborhood.

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 So it's going to be looking at open space.

00:19:09.080 --> 00:19:14.340
 It's going to be looking at mobility, new housing, affordable housing, preservation,

00:19:14.340 --> 00:19:20.520
 as I stated, and connectivity to the surrounding areas and within downtown itself.

00:19:20.520 --> 00:19:25.980
 So as the purpose is stated, we have that existing downtown plan.

00:19:25.980 --> 00:19:29.720
 We have to respond to those development interests, especially to the south, where we're coming

00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:33.380
 out of the floodplain along Elm and Locust.

00:19:33.380 --> 00:19:36.220
 We really want to position downtown for long-term success.

00:19:36.220 --> 00:19:41.360
 This is going to really guide how downtown develops over the next 20 years.

00:19:41.360 --> 00:19:42.480
 So we want to do it right.

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 And we want the community to be fully backing this plan and be really excited about what

00:19:47.160 --> 00:19:49.360
 comes in the future.

00:19:49.360 --> 00:19:54.360
 We're also addressing how downtown influences those nearby neighborhoods, as I stated.

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 And then really develop a new plan for Quaker Town Park.

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 How is it going to be utilized?

00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:01.680
 We have so many festivals here held all year round.

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 Is it being used to the best of its capability, but also incorporating that history of Quaker

00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:14.760
 Town Park, the O'Neill structures, and seeing where we find that balance.

00:20:14.760 --> 00:20:16.400
 So project overview.

00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:18.440
 Does anyone have questions thus far?

00:20:18.440 --> 00:20:21.120
 Just wanted to-- OK.

00:20:21.120 --> 00:20:23.280
 And we're good.

00:20:23.280 --> 00:20:24.280
 Awesome.

00:20:24.280 --> 00:20:26.280
 So this is our study area.

00:20:26.280 --> 00:20:29.080
 As you can see, we don't have a boundary right now.

00:20:29.080 --> 00:20:32.260
 As I talked about, we have that connectivity.

00:20:32.260 --> 00:20:37.720
 We're really trying to figure out where downtown connects to those neighboring communities,

00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:45.080
 both to the west-- those are historic districts, UNT campus, TWU to the north, northeast, and

00:20:45.080 --> 00:20:47.420
 then southeastern to the southeast.

00:20:47.420 --> 00:20:48.880
 So really trying to figure that out.

00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:51.560
 So there's no set boundaries for this as of right now.

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 And there potentially might not be any boundaries moving forward.

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 But right now, we do have it highlighted by that darker brown of what we think it might

00:21:00.100 --> 00:21:03.020
 be in terms of downtown.

00:21:03.020 --> 00:21:07.560
 But I wanted to state that compared to the other area plans that you've seen, you've

00:21:07.560 --> 00:21:11.280
 seen that really thick boundary of what is included.

00:21:11.280 --> 00:21:15.840
 Right now, we don't know, because downtown connects to so many different areas.

00:21:15.840 --> 00:21:20.880
 And it does have that impact on other areas.

00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:25.460
 The project brand, as you guys got the stickers, we're really excited.

00:21:25.460 --> 00:21:27.200
 We designed Downtown Denton.

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 We talked with the consultant.

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 And we really felt that downtown is great.

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 When you talk to citizens of Denton, people love downtown.

00:21:35.600 --> 00:21:37.000
 They want to see it thrive.

00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:38.480
 So we have a good foundation.

00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:43.760
 But how do we design it in such a way that it becomes better?

00:21:43.760 --> 00:21:49.260
 Or even where we're able to feed economic development, historic preservation, all the

00:21:49.260 --> 00:21:50.260
 different things.

00:21:50.260 --> 00:21:56.040
 So in this design itself, this highlights our five key areas, which I'm going to touch

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 on.

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 But we did have a local artist who did this and was commissioned, Jude Landry.

00:22:01.520 --> 00:22:02.860
 I'm excited about this.

00:22:02.860 --> 00:22:04.040
 The consultant's proud of it.

00:22:04.040 --> 00:22:05.420
 We're proud of it.

00:22:05.420 --> 00:22:08.600
 And hopefully, you guys put that on a water bottle.

00:22:08.600 --> 00:22:10.240
 I put it on my car already.

00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:13.240
 So hopefully, you're excited.

00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:18.440
 So the project branding, as I stated, these are split into five key categories.

00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:23.640
 We have historic preservation, arts and culture, development and small businesses, mobility

00:22:23.640 --> 00:22:24.640
 and parks.

00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:30.080
 So those are really the main focus areas that we want to focus on in our design downtown

00:22:30.080 --> 00:22:32.940
 Denton plan.

00:22:32.940 --> 00:22:38.840
 So this gives a little bit more detail that development and small businesses really preserving

00:22:38.840 --> 00:22:43.760
 what we have now and growing on those small businesses and giving other people opportunities

00:22:43.760 --> 00:22:46.820
 to start new enterprises if they want.

00:22:46.820 --> 00:22:51.240
 In terms of mobility, looking at walkability, but also multimodal, whether that includes

00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:57.000
 bikes, transit, trains, buses, cars, as you can see.

00:22:57.000 --> 00:22:59.440
 As we know, arts and culture is huge here.

00:22:59.440 --> 00:23:01.880
 We have the Arts and Jazz Fest.

00:23:01.880 --> 00:23:05.560
 We have the Blues Festival that was here this past weekend.

00:23:05.560 --> 00:23:09.760
 We are known for our music here in Denton, but also in downtown.

00:23:09.760 --> 00:23:13.200
 We have Dan Silverleaf, we have Rubber Gloves, we have a bunch of different businesses that

00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:14.200
 cater to that.

00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:20.000
 So, how does downtown help contribute and shape to arts and culture that currently exists?

00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:23.000
 But how do we make that grow?

00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:28.280
 And then historic preservation, obviously dear to my heart.

00:23:28.280 --> 00:23:31.800
 How do we preserve those historical assets, but also build on that?

00:23:31.800 --> 00:23:34.500
 How do we do infill properly?

00:23:34.500 --> 00:23:36.680
 How do we look at the urban design aspects?

00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:46.320
 How do we start to tell the story of Denton and where it started and where it all began?

00:23:46.320 --> 00:23:49.400
 And then lastly, our parks and public spaces.

00:23:49.400 --> 00:23:54.320
 Finding a fresh new look for Quaker Town Park, whether that is just adding new trails, adding

00:23:54.320 --> 00:24:01.920
 new bridges, more connectivity, but also looking at adding additional parks in downtown, along

00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:07.520
 Elm and Locust to the south or maybe it's to the north, finding pocket park areas options.

00:24:07.520 --> 00:24:12.960
 So really starting to think of what does downtown need and what does it need in the future?

00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:14.760
 And with that, I'm going to hand it over to Sean.

00:24:14.760 --> 00:24:18.600
 He's going to be covering our schedule and going a little bit more in depth into our different

00:24:18.600 --> 00:24:19.600
 phases.

00:24:19.600 --> 00:24:20.600
 Any questions?

00:24:20.600 --> 00:24:21.600
 Oh, yeah.

00:24:21.600 --> 00:24:22.600
 Yeah.

00:24:22.600 --> 00:24:28.800
 Just first off, I love a lot of what you're saying and it's great to see that historic

00:24:28.800 --> 00:24:33.440
 preservation is such a key part of y'all's platform.

00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:38.880
 Just a quick question on the philosophy of the map being kind of nebulous.

00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:43.440
 I do have just slight concerns when it comes to Southeast Denton.

00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:47.360
 And I know there have been concerns regarding gentrification in the area.

00:24:47.360 --> 00:24:51.960
 Maybe if we do want to set some delineated lines between downtown Denton and Southeast

00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:57.280
 Denton, just to make sure everyone feels as if their opinions are being included and we're

00:24:57.280 --> 00:25:01.200
 not trying to step over the Southeast Denton toes and all that good stuff.

00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:02.360
 No, of course.

00:25:02.360 --> 00:25:07.000
 And as you can see, it's kind of delineated right now along South Bell Avenue.

00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:11.980
 And that was actually due to feedback that we received during that Southeast Denton visioning

00:25:11.980 --> 00:25:15.860
 workshop that was held a couple of weeks ago by Julie and Mia.

00:25:15.860 --> 00:25:19.480
 So that's kind of where we're starting because that's what the community considered to be

00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:20.960
 the boundary of Southeast Denton.

00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:21.960
 Great.

00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:22.960
 Thank you.

00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:23.960
 Of course.

00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:28.680
 One just, you know, I think we've been hearing this for a while of we're doing a downtown

00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:29.680
 area plan.

00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:32.760
 And I know it's designed, designed downtown, right?

00:25:32.760 --> 00:25:33.760
 Designed downtown Denton.

00:25:33.760 --> 00:25:37.840
 Sorry, I didn't want to script your grade branding that you got going on.

00:25:37.840 --> 00:25:38.840
 When are we drawing borders?

00:25:38.840 --> 00:25:41.720
 Because we've been talking about it as kind of like, we don't have borders for this yet.

00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:42.720
 We don't have borders for this yet.

00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:43.720
 We don't have borders for this yet.

00:25:43.720 --> 00:25:50.000
 At some point in time, we have to, we have to draw a line in the sand with a terrible

00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:51.000
 pun.

00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:52.000
 So yeah.

00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:53.000
 I don't want to take that.

00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:54.000
 Sure.

00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:55.000
 So great question.

00:25:55.000 --> 00:26:01.560
 You know, part of, part of how we determine project area is through our public engagement

00:26:01.560 --> 00:26:02.560
 efforts.

00:26:02.560 --> 00:26:05.680
 And so I think Sean's going to talk about all of our public engagement associated with

00:26:05.680 --> 00:26:06.680
 this project.

00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:11.540
 But to Cameron's point earlier, you know, with this project happening simultaneously

00:26:11.540 --> 00:26:15.080
 with the Southeast Denton project, you know, one of the things that we're trying to hear

00:26:15.080 --> 00:26:20.000
 from the Southeast Denton community is really what do they consider Southeast Denton?

00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:24.600
 And so taking that feedback and then partnering that with the other project that we're working

00:26:24.600 --> 00:26:26.600
 on with downtown.

00:26:26.600 --> 00:26:32.600
 Over time, it's possible we may draw more defined boundaries associated with downtown,

00:26:32.600 --> 00:26:38.000
 but also, you know, downtown's the core of the city in many respects and serves many

00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:39.480
 of the surrounding neighborhoods.

00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:42.360
 And one of the things we actually talked about with the Southeast Denton Steering Committee

00:26:42.360 --> 00:26:47.240
 is can downtown provide opportunities for residents within Southeast Denton?

00:26:47.240 --> 00:26:52.040
 And I would say can downtown provide opportunities for residents within all of the other surrounding

00:26:52.040 --> 00:26:53.040
 neighborhoods?

00:26:53.040 --> 00:26:57.040
 You know, one of the key things is we want to make sure that all areas of our community

00:26:57.040 --> 00:26:59.200
 are successful, right?

00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:03.060
 And especially when you have two areas that are near each other or next to each other,

00:27:03.060 --> 00:27:06.040
 then we want both areas to be successful and how can they support?

00:27:06.040 --> 00:27:10.600
 So you know, we'll, as we go through the public engagement and continue that effort on Southeast,

00:27:10.600 --> 00:27:17.460
 but also as this project, then that may help crystallize that area for both even more.

00:27:17.460 --> 00:27:21.120
 We also might find that through the public engagement efforts that there are some areas

00:27:21.120 --> 00:27:24.960
 that might be viewed as being shared between the two, but we don't know that yet.

00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:29.840
 So we'll keep you updated as we continue to work on both projects.

00:27:29.840 --> 00:27:30.840
 Great.

00:27:30.840 --> 00:27:31.840
 Thank you, Tina.

00:27:31.840 --> 00:27:32.840
 All right, Sean.

00:27:32.840 --> 00:27:33.840
 All right.

00:27:33.840 --> 00:27:34.840
 Fantastic.

00:27:34.840 --> 00:27:38.320
 And just to that point, yeah, we are, as much as we are really moving along, we're actually

00:27:38.320 --> 00:27:43.320
 still in phase one, we are very focused on gathering that data and feedback that will

00:27:43.320 --> 00:27:47.560
 help to inform what's coming later, which at the end of that phase one will be what

00:27:47.560 --> 00:27:53.560
 we call a case for action, which will be basically laying out what is the current state of downtown

00:27:53.560 --> 00:27:57.120
 that necessitates some new ideas and what are the great things that we want to keep.

00:27:57.120 --> 00:28:02.220
 But we have to really do a good job of gathering our information, our data first.

00:28:02.220 --> 00:28:07.240
 But actually, prior to even phase one, we had a phase zero where we brought our consultants

00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:10.920
 in, they got to meet with city staff to talk about concerns and priorities.

00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:16.120
 We also were able to give them a tour of downtown, both driving and walking so they could really

00:28:16.120 --> 00:28:19.240
 get a feel for what things are wonderful and what things could need some work.

00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:22.440
 You know, if you've heard people talk about sidewalks that are difficult, we made them

00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:26.440
 walk over some tough areas to make the point like, hey, this can be better, this can be

00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:27.440
 great.

00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:30.480
 And their response was, wow, Denton really loves Denton.

00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:34.960
 You guys are at a point where a lot of places, we have to still get cities to there where

00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:36.520
 they actually care about their downtown.

00:28:36.520 --> 00:28:38.740
 Your downtown cares about it already.

00:28:38.740 --> 00:28:43.840
 So they were very, they gave us kudos in terms of where we are already, gives us great foundation

00:28:43.840 --> 00:28:45.440
 work from.

00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:49.300
 We are now in the midst of phase one and you'll see those are not stock photos.

00:28:49.300 --> 00:28:52.800
 Those are real photos of engagement we've been doing over the last few weeks here.

00:28:52.800 --> 00:28:58.340
 We're out at arts and autos, we were out at Blues Fest, we were at parking day, really

00:28:58.340 --> 00:29:01.840
 asking people, Denton, what do you love about downtown?

00:29:01.840 --> 00:29:02.880
 What does downtown need?

00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:07.640
 And even giving people a chance to put pins on a board to say, hey, I love this thing

00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:08.640
 here.

00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:09.640
 Don't mess with that.

00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:12.640
 Or, hey, I have a great idea for this area or I have a concern about this area.

00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:15.080
 Really getting some fantastic feedback.

00:29:15.080 --> 00:29:18.500
 And again, that goes to understanding the needs in the area and helping to build that

00:29:18.500 --> 00:29:22.840
 case for action for the future so that we can lay out a vision that we know actually

00:29:22.840 --> 00:29:27.280
 reflects what the people of Denton consider important and what they need and not, you

00:29:27.280 --> 00:29:30.080
 know, what we think or what the consultants think.

00:29:30.080 --> 00:29:33.280
 Part of that, as you'll see there, what we call pop-up events, so that's being at arts

00:29:33.280 --> 00:29:38.400
 and jazz, that's being at arts and autos, other events, we'll talk about coming up soon,

00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:45.320
 but also, crucially, we have an online survey that is online now and that QR code on the

00:29:45.320 --> 00:29:46.840
 coaster in front of you will get you there.

00:29:46.840 --> 00:29:47.840
 That is really important.

00:29:47.840 --> 00:29:50.440
 We want to hear from as many folks in Denton as possible.

00:29:50.440 --> 00:29:54.240
 They can go on there and, again, talk about what they love about downtown, what it needs,

00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:55.240
 give their ideas.

00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:56.400
 There's even a photo contest as part of that.

00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:00.120
 You can take a picture of downtown, people can vote on that, but we really, really want

00:30:00.120 --> 00:30:05.540
 to get good engagement on that so that our case for action truly reflects the breadth

00:30:05.540 --> 00:30:10.180
 of the ideas and thoughts of our Denton residents.

00:30:10.180 --> 00:30:14.000
 So just note here, we had our first advisory group meeting.

00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:20.840
 We have a fantastic team of 20 folks representing stakeholder groups across downtown.

00:30:20.840 --> 00:30:25.000
 They were able to kind of get the full presentation and begin to give their feedback to the consultants

00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:29.240
 and they'll be involved throughout this process, helping to connect with the community, make

00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:33.880
 sure that what we're thinking is going out to the community and that the thoughts of

00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:36.200
 the community are coming back to us through them.

00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:40.280
 And then, as we noted, Parking Day, Blues Fest, got a ton of great engagement on us.

00:30:40.280 --> 00:30:45.280
 It was really cool to hear from families, residents across the board.

00:30:45.280 --> 00:30:48.240
 So with that, I'm going to hand things back to Cameron to talk about some of the public

00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:53.720
 engagement we have coming up.

00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:59.520
 So as Sean stated, we're doing a lot of public engagement, including our artwork that was

00:30:59.520 --> 00:31:01.080
 done by Jude Landry.

00:31:01.080 --> 00:31:06.560
 We also have the funds and the means to connect with other local artists as we move along

00:31:06.560 --> 00:31:12.640
 through these phases to really engage that local economy and get people.

00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:16.520
 Downtown as Sean was saying, downtown is so vibrant.

00:31:16.520 --> 00:31:22.000
 We have a lot of artisans amongst us and it's something that we really want to highlight

00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:24.040
 with this downtown plan.

00:31:24.040 --> 00:31:28.120
 Also, as a QR code, we have that online social platform.

00:31:28.120 --> 00:31:32.880
 So as Sean said, definitely use it, share it with family, share it with friends, share

00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:34.160
 it with colleagues.

00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:40.000
 The more feedback we get, the better, not only for the consultant to produce great policies

00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:44.080
 and goals, but it will be what the community wants.

00:31:44.080 --> 00:31:46.800
 We have been doing door-to-door business surveys.

00:31:46.800 --> 00:31:53.640
 We've been going to business owners thus far and surveying why they want to be in downtown,

00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:58.880
 what they like about it, if they're willing to assist with future marketing.

00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:01.800
 And those have been really good feedback thus far.

00:32:01.800 --> 00:32:02.800
 Sean's been great.

00:32:02.800 --> 00:32:05.400
 He's been coordinating a lot of that.

00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:07.200
 As we stated, our community workshops.

00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:11.000
 We have community workshops coming up, which we'll talk about a little bit later.

00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:15.440
 But those are really going to be engaging the community in person so they can talk with

00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:19.320
 the staff, talk with the consultant, and really voice their opinions and what they really

00:32:19.320 --> 00:32:22.100
 want to see in the future in downtown.

00:32:22.100 --> 00:32:24.720
 Those pop-ups and speak-outs that Sean was talking about.

00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:27.720
 Also, stakeholder interviews and focus groups.

00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:33.080
 We did have some initial stakeholder interviews when they officially kicked off in July.

00:32:33.080 --> 00:32:37.520
 But also, we have focus groups coming up here in the future, one of which is going to be

00:32:37.520 --> 00:32:41.380
 the descendants of our-- the descendants of Quaker Town residents.

00:32:41.380 --> 00:32:45.280
 So that's going to be one of the focus groups that we really want to have that community

00:32:45.280 --> 00:32:50.400
 engaged so that we can get feedback on what Quaker Town parks should be in the future.

00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:55.520
 And then that advisory group team that Sean was talking about.

00:32:55.520 --> 00:32:58.160
 So online survey and advertising materials.

00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:02.200
 I know we are drilling this in so much, and you probably don't want to hear it.

00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:05.000
 But it is such a great resource.

00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:09.640
 We really just, like we said, really just share it.

00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:10.640
 It's really fun.

00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:11.680
 It's super interactive.

00:33:11.680 --> 00:33:13.640
 There is a photo competition.

00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:19.640
 You can get a $25 gift card to a local retail store if you win that photo competition.

00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:25.720
 But if you're in and around downtown, you'll see coasters out at different restaurants

00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:29.280
 and bars and even some shops.

00:33:29.280 --> 00:33:31.440
 You'll start to see posters out and about.

00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:33.720
 We have the stickers that are out.

00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:38.280
 Sean and I just spent about two hours today putting up one sign.

00:33:38.280 --> 00:33:42.680
 So you'll see those around downtown now as well when you're walking down the sidewalk.

00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:46.200
 But we really, really, really want y'all's feedback.

00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:52.640
 It's very important and it's vital to the success of this plan.

00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:55.600
 Some of the upcoming phase one steps that we're doing.

00:33:55.600 --> 00:33:57.820
 We have our Quaker Town Park Visioning Workshop.

00:33:57.820 --> 00:34:03.580
 So that is going to be held during Arts and Jazz Fest on Saturday, October 7th.

00:34:03.580 --> 00:34:06.320
 So next weekend, there's going to be three different booths.

00:34:06.320 --> 00:34:10.680
 It's going to be set up on the -- what side of the park?

00:34:10.680 --> 00:34:15.560
 It'll be the Tim Powers UNT stage adjacent to the Senior Center.

00:34:15.560 --> 00:34:17.720
 There we go.

00:34:17.720 --> 00:34:22.920
 So staff will be -- and the consultant will be out there from 9 a.m. till 9 p.m.

00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:24.840
 So definitely stop by.

00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:25.840
 Give us your feedback.

00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:26.840
 Give us your thoughts.

00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:29.240
 And there's going to be a lot of great kids activities.

00:34:29.240 --> 00:34:33.760
 So if you have little kids with you, they will be very focused on that while you can

00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:35.860
 give us your feedback.

00:34:35.860 --> 00:34:38.720
 We're also going to be doing additional community surveys.

00:34:38.720 --> 00:34:43.440
 So currently the website does have those surveys of what you want in downtown, what you love

00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:44.960
 about downtown.

00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:49.680
 But there are going to be additional surveys being added to that over time.

00:34:49.680 --> 00:34:52.520
 As Sean said, we are going to have continuous public engagement.

00:34:52.520 --> 00:34:55.020
 You'll see us out at Twilight Tunes.

00:34:55.020 --> 00:34:58.040
 You're going to see us at Wausle Weekend.

00:34:58.040 --> 00:35:01.760
 We're starting to look at certain speak out events that we want to be a part of so we

00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:06.380
 can really have those more formal conversations with members of the public.

00:35:06.380 --> 00:35:10.280
 Our second advisory group meeting, that's going to be held in late November.

00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:13.860
 And then our downtown visioning workshop, which will include a bit about Quaker Town

00:35:13.860 --> 00:35:22.200
 as well, will be in early December, Monday, December 4th is when it's planned for.

00:35:22.200 --> 00:35:24.920
 So we're really looking forward to that as well.

00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:26.520
 But that is all we have to share.

00:35:26.520 --> 00:35:28.560
 If you guys have any questions.

00:35:28.560 --> 00:35:30.640
 Commissioner Cole.

00:35:30.640 --> 00:35:32.280
 Thank you, Vice Chair.

00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:42.420
 Four years ago, we created what was called the downtown development district, right?

00:35:42.420 --> 00:35:43.680
 Is this new thing?

00:35:43.680 --> 00:35:44.680
 Yeah.

00:35:44.680 --> 00:35:46.740
 It was just downtown centric though, just the square.

00:35:46.740 --> 00:35:52.880
 Is this going to take place of that or is that still going to be in place?

00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:58.360
 So there is the downtown PID, the Public Improvement District, so that's still in place.

00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:02.760
 And it's a TIF district, if you will, tax increment financing zone.

00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:04.680
 So that's still in place.

00:36:04.680 --> 00:36:08.760
 And I know, I think council had conversations with our economic development team earlier

00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:13.400
 this summer about whether or not the boundaries of that should be expanded.

00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:19.120
 Keep in mind, that is a financial mechanism tool to be able to help with doing some of

00:36:19.120 --> 00:36:21.360
 the improvements within downtown.

00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:25.320
 There's some flexibility can be used also, I think, for some economic development opportunities.

00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:32.960
 But it is one of the tools that we, the city, have in order to be able to implement items

00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:35.920
 that could come out of our updated downtown plan.

00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:37.320
 We're talking about two different things.

00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:41.680
 I'm talking about where we restricted the heights to two stories.

00:36:41.680 --> 00:36:42.680
 The square district.

00:36:42.680 --> 00:36:43.680
 The square district.

00:36:43.680 --> 00:36:44.680
 Oh, the square district.

00:36:44.680 --> 00:36:45.680
 Yeah.

00:36:45.680 --> 00:36:47.440
 So is this going to replace that?

00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:49.320
 No, this isn't going to replace that.

00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:50.800
 This is just going to be in addition.

00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:51.800
 Okay.

00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:52.800
 In addition to.

00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:53.800
 Okay.

00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:54.800
 Thank you.

00:36:54.800 --> 00:37:01.240
 So once we finish this master planning effort, right, to update the downtown plan, it could

00:37:01.240 --> 00:37:05.560
 have recommendations or recommended action items included as part of it, right?

00:37:05.560 --> 00:37:08.680
 So like all three of these plans we're working on, we talk about the implementation action

00:37:08.680 --> 00:37:09.680
 items.

00:37:09.680 --> 00:37:11.640
 So this project will have that as well.

00:37:11.640 --> 00:37:16.000
 But one of the action items coming out of this particular project could be to modify

00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.600
 some of the zoning in downtown.

00:37:18.600 --> 00:37:22.240
 And so, or make certain refinements to existing zoning district.

00:37:22.240 --> 00:37:25.360
 And remember, because zoning is one of the tools that cities have in order to be able

00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:32.600
 to implement some of the action items that come about as a result of master plan efforts.

00:37:32.600 --> 00:37:37.520
 And I will say actually our folks with post stroke are specifically reviewing the Denton

00:37:37.520 --> 00:37:42.320
 square district and with the desire to look at, Hey, are there additional helpful standards

00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:44.040
 we can add to that ways we could refine that.

00:37:44.040 --> 00:37:46.840
 So they're specifically reviewing that to give those recommendations.

00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:48.400
 Thank you.

00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:53.440
 If I could add one thing, I believe it was Cameron's portion of the presentation.

00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:55.240
 She talked about Quaker Town Park.

00:37:55.240 --> 00:37:59.200
 So one of the unique components associated with this master plan that we're working on

00:37:59.200 --> 00:38:04.680
 is truly a master plan for Quaker Town Park and coming up with a concept for the Quaker

00:38:04.680 --> 00:38:05.680
 Town Park.

00:38:05.680 --> 00:38:10.280
 It'll take into consideration the existing historic assets that are there, but also the

00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:12.600
 needs of the park and how the park is used.

00:38:12.600 --> 00:38:18.600
 So one of the things that will come about associated with this is a fairly well refined

00:38:18.600 --> 00:38:23.880
 concept plan for the park to be able to help support our parks department in especially

00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:28.920
 some of the events that they have in addition to how do we address the events of Quaker

00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:31.040
 Town from 100 plus years ago, right?

00:38:31.040 --> 00:38:35.120
 So that is one unique aspect that is associated with this project.

00:38:35.120 --> 00:38:43.080
 And then as part of our downtown master plan update efforts, then that concept plan for

00:38:43.080 --> 00:38:46.600
 Quaker Town Park will then provide the foundation for the parks department to be able to move

00:38:46.600 --> 00:38:50.280
 forward within doing additional improvements within the park itself.

00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:54.240
 It'll have coordination with the Historic Landmark Commission because given that the

00:38:54.240 --> 00:38:56.600
 park is designated, there's some work that we'll have to do there.

00:38:56.600 --> 00:39:01.040
 But just know that that's, like I said, that's one of the kind of a unique aspect associated

00:39:01.040 --> 00:39:05.760
 with this particular project that you're not seeing in some of the other area plan work

00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:06.760
 that we're doing.

00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:07.760
 Thank you, Tina.

00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:08.760
 Commissioner Pruitt.

00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:09.760
 Thank you, Chair.

00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:10.760
 Or Vice Chair.

00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:17.800
 You can just call me Tim, guys, it's all good.

00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:20.120
 So I'm really excited about this.

00:39:20.120 --> 00:39:25.860
 Thank you for all the work, it looks amazing.

00:39:25.860 --> 00:39:32.000
 I guess I would just like to offer my encouragement that the rest of this body be patient with

00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:33.760
 the whole question of boundaries.

00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:42.720
 The way I see it, the downtown is unique in that it's not a neighborhood that is not a

00:39:42.720 --> 00:39:45.640
 destination for people from around the city.

00:39:45.640 --> 00:39:49.280
 It's a place that is an obvious destination as well.

00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:55.520
 And by nature of that, several of the aspects that you talked about, housing, mobility,

00:39:55.520 --> 00:40:04.600
 that some of -- I would envision some of the recommendations and thoughts would have implications

00:40:04.600 --> 00:40:09.640
 outside of whatever boundaries we drew, just by nature of the type of updates and regulations

00:40:09.640 --> 00:40:15.440
 that would be required to actualize the plans and the visions that the community reaches

00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:17.000
 out with.

00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:24.120
 And I'm also really excited that we get this in there because recent plans that we've done

00:40:24.120 --> 00:40:28.240
 have been very good with identifying those action items and following through with that.

00:40:28.240 --> 00:40:37.080
 And every time I come down here, I'm sad that we never codified the original DTIP cross

00:40:37.080 --> 00:40:40.920
 street section requirements for Elm and Locust, and then tech stock came through and put in

00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:42.640
 five foot sidewalks.

00:40:42.640 --> 00:40:50.360
 So I'm looking forward to that, thank you.

00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:53.880
 Only thing I'd add in there, can we get more of either of these?

00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:54.880
 Yes.

00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:55.880
 We have a lot.

00:40:55.880 --> 00:40:59.080
 We don't have them with us, but we can get them for you.

00:40:59.080 --> 00:41:00.080
 Okay.

00:41:00.080 --> 00:41:01.080
 Great.

00:41:01.080 --> 00:41:02.080
 Awesome.

00:41:02.080 --> 00:41:03.080
 Love to take them.

00:41:03.080 --> 00:41:04.080
 Take a whole stack of them.

00:41:04.080 --> 00:41:05.080
 Okay.

00:41:05.080 --> 00:41:06.080
 Perfect.

00:41:06.080 --> 00:41:07.080
 Love to have them.

00:41:07.080 --> 00:41:08.080
 So, okay.

00:41:08.080 --> 00:41:09.080
 All right.

00:41:09.080 --> 00:41:12.880
 Before we move on to work session item 3A, going through the street light criteria mantle,

00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:19.120
 I want to take a recess here at 543 to allow us to go get dinner in the back.

00:41:19.120 --> 00:41:21.480
 And then we will reconvene shortly.

00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:23.120
 So I'll say about 10 minutes.

00:41:23.120 --> 00:41:24.120
 It's 544 now.

00:41:24.120 --> 00:41:25.440
 So try to be back by 555.

00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:31.240
 We'll start eating dinner and go through the next item.

00:41:31.240 --> 00:41:42.520
 And for the Planning and Zoning Commission, thank you for giving us a chance to do the

00:41:42.520 --> 00:41:43.520
 recess.

00:41:43.520 --> 00:41:52.600
 We will continue on our meeting, reconvening at 553 p.m. with Work Session Report 3A, PZ23-186.

00:41:52.600 --> 00:42:00.440
 Give a report and discussion providing the City of Denton Street Light Criteria Manual

00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:06.920
 as presented by Aaron Binion.

00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:10.620
 Okay.

00:42:10.620 --> 00:42:20.880
 So, this will be quite similar to what you just heard before, but again, as mentioned

00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:28.000
 before, DME's been tasked with creating a street light criteria manual in an attempt

00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:33.280
 to help unify and standardize the requirements for street lighting in the city.

00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:38.780
 Originally in the Denton Development Code, there was basically one line that covered

00:42:38.780 --> 00:42:41.880
 all street light requirements, and that's shown here.

00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:48.680
 They should be installed at cul-de-sacs intersections and at 300-foot intervals in between.

00:42:48.680 --> 00:42:54.000
 The Denton Development Code took that a little bit farther and provided the additional requirements

00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:55.480
 that we've shown before.

00:42:55.480 --> 00:43:03.840
 Now, as mentioned, requirements C and D of Section 7.11.6 do cause some problems for

00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:06.040
 us the way lights are currently installed right now.

00:43:06.040 --> 00:43:12.240
 So our acorn lights don't meet the requirement of C, and pretty much all of the lights in

00:43:12.240 --> 00:43:18.200
 the city do cast some light on adjacent properties.

00:43:18.200 --> 00:43:25.360
 It's just part of the physics of light, and so in order to both correct that, as well

00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:34.940
 as to provide additional direction to developers and city staff as well, we have proposed these

00:43:34.940 --> 00:43:41.380
 changes to the Development Code, first in Section C, that all new street lighting fixtures

00:43:41.380 --> 00:43:46.800
 shall be cut off, full cut off, and as mentioned before, we're working with the City Council

00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:54.120
 to select an appropriate light that will meet that requirement, and then in Paragraph D,

00:43:54.120 --> 00:44:00.720
 that all other lighting requirements would be governed by a Street Light Criteria Manual.

00:44:00.720 --> 00:44:08.040
 In developing that manual, we have chosen to follow a national standard, the ANSI Institute

00:44:08.040 --> 00:44:17.840
 RP8, which governs street lights for roadways, as well as parking structures.

00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:24.080
 It's a nationally recognized manual, and it is very well researched and put together,

00:44:24.080 --> 00:44:32.400
 and so the City of Denton proposes that we apply that manual to all streets in the city

00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:34.400
 and how we light them.

00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:40.760
 Now that said, the manual provides guidance for how to light those streets with various

00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:42.480
 lighting levels.

00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:47.320
 Most of that has to be accomplished with computer software, but it does provide caveats that

00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:54.880
 allow us to direct the placement in some situations where the speed limits are lower, and so taking

00:44:54.880 --> 00:45:00.400
 that into account, we've provided guidance to developers on how to implement that, how

00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:06.320
 to present their recommendations to the city, and also in residential developments, how

00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:11.440
 they can actually place the lights and be compliant with this national standard.

00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:17.320
 It provides guidance on the accepted materials and lighting standards that we have.

00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:21.360
 There are a myriad of light fixtures out there.

00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:26.440
 One of the challenges that we face is that we have to be able to supply and stock and

00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:31.960
 maintain all of these lights, and so we've really tried to focus in on a standard that

00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:37.960
 meets the city aesthetic, something that's pleasing, but also that we can feasibly manage

00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:43.680
 and take care of, and so this manual addresses that and provides guidance to developers on

00:45:43.680 --> 00:45:50.360
 how the interaction takes place for installations, maintenance, and so forth.

00:45:50.360 --> 00:45:54.880
 And then, of course, the manual will also incorporate this new light fixture that will

00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:58.960
 be selected with council's guidance.

00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:03.680
 And so, again, our recommendations are simply that the changes to the development code,

00:46:03.680 --> 00:46:09.720
 paragraph C and D, be accepted, and then also that the street light criteria manual itself

00:46:09.720 --> 00:46:12.560
 be approved.

00:46:12.560 --> 00:46:20.360
 That manual was provided as an -- what's the word -- attachment, thank you -- as an attachment

00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:25.080
 to the AIS, and so should be available to all of you if you have any questions about

00:46:25.080 --> 00:46:26.080
 that.

00:46:26.080 --> 00:46:31.600
 And with that, I open it up for questions.

00:46:31.600 --> 00:46:35.160
 >> Any questions for Aaron?

00:46:35.160 --> 00:46:38.400
 Commissioner Pruitt?

00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:41.480
 >> Thank you, Vice Chair.

00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:44.800
 Acting.

00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:45.800
 Great work.

00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:46.800
 Looks great.

00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:52.160
 I did have one question just on the applicability of this, or if it's a different tool that

00:46:52.160 --> 00:46:53.520
 we need to look toward.

00:46:53.520 --> 00:47:00.920
 I noticed that in the placement section, there's recommendations of placing, you know, on one

00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:04.720
 side or the other side of the sidewalk and that sort of thing.

00:47:04.720 --> 00:47:11.120
 We've had several developments in the last five-plus years where the placement of poles

00:47:11.120 --> 00:47:17.300
 has either been inside the sidewalk or guy wires into the sidewalk chipped out or something

00:47:17.300 --> 00:47:18.300
 like that.

00:47:18.300 --> 00:47:26.080
 I'm thinking about that Fire Star or something west of Hinkle, south of North Lakes Park

00:47:26.080 --> 00:47:27.080
 area.

00:47:27.080 --> 00:47:28.080
 >> Park area.

00:47:28.080 --> 00:47:30.920
 >> Fireside, thank you.

00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:37.320
 Does this help us clean that up because the street lighting plan is kind of the first

00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:44.480
 plan of where are we going to put the poles, or are those situations handled by some other

00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:45.480
 process?

00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:53.560
 >> So ideally, the street lighting plan is addressed during the development review process.

00:47:53.560 --> 00:48:00.300
 DME has representatives in that group, and so as they're laying out their electrical,

00:48:00.300 --> 00:48:04.360
 one of the things that comes up is, well, how do we serve the street lights?

00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:10.760
 And so in theory, everything's in theory, right, until we -- but in theory, those discussions

00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:16.720
 will have taken place during the development review process, and the developer will understand

00:48:16.720 --> 00:48:21.880
 their responsibilities to provide the civil work, to lay out where the conduit will go,

00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:24.040
 where the street lights will need to be.

00:48:24.040 --> 00:48:28.720
 This guide helps them understand that beforehand, and we can point them to that in terms of

00:48:28.720 --> 00:48:32.520
 placement requirements and where street lights are expected.

00:48:32.520 --> 00:48:37.340
 And then working with DME's representative on the development review committee, they'll

00:48:37.340 --> 00:48:43.280
 be able to point out, you know, DME can serve this this way, here's where our wires are

00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:47.280
 at, and so it makes sense to put the lights on this side of the street.

00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:50.560
 You're going to want them behind the sidewalks over here.

00:48:50.560 --> 00:48:54.560
 So again, in theory, it should alleviate that moving forward.

00:48:54.560 --> 00:48:55.560
 >> Okay.

00:48:55.560 --> 00:48:56.560
 Thank you.

00:48:56.560 --> 00:48:59.560
 >> Any other questions for Erin?

00:48:59.560 --> 00:49:04.480
 >> If I could just add one thing, so to Erin's point, I mean, the team works really hard.

00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:08.600
 The development assistant team as a whole works really hard to try to prevent those

00:49:08.600 --> 00:49:12.880
 kind of scenarios from happening, and I think Erin can probably attest to this, but one

00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:15.680
 of the challenges is sometimes things happen out in the field.

00:49:15.680 --> 00:49:19.320
 You know, we try to get it all right on the plans and have the plans perfect to address

00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:23.360
 all requirements, right, but sometimes there are things that happen out in the field, and

00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:25.800
 so they're having to adjust accordingly.

00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:30.640
 I think our team works really hard to try to minimize any conflicts between, in this

00:49:30.640 --> 00:49:36.080
 case, DME's utility poles and then also any sidewalk improvements that we do, but we do

00:49:36.080 --> 00:49:38.880
 our best to try to mitigate that.

00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:44.560
 >> Any other questions?

00:49:44.560 --> 00:49:50.880
 So essentially, materially, the criteria manual, the street lighting criteria manual is just

00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:56.440
 going to assist with cleaning up and codifying a little bit more of the development and planning

00:49:56.440 --> 00:50:00.800
 process for street lighting, whereas before it's been a little bit, not going to say it's

00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:08.000
 been loosey goosey, but it's been a little bit case by case, and we will build the street

00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:12.640
 lighting plans as we go rather than being able to give criteria for what should be in

00:50:12.640 --> 00:50:17.760
 your plan, develop it around your specific property, come with it at the development

00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:23.240
 meeting process, and then it won't even be an issue, we just got to tell DME where we

00:50:23.240 --> 00:50:24.240
 got to connect.

00:50:24.240 --> 00:50:25.240
 >> Exactly.

00:50:25.240 --> 00:50:26.240
 >> Okay.

00:50:26.240 --> 00:50:27.240
 Understood.

00:50:27.240 --> 00:50:28.240
 All right.

00:50:28.240 --> 00:50:29.240
 Seeing nothing else.

00:50:29.240 --> 00:50:30.240
 Thank you, Aaron.

00:50:30.240 --> 00:50:31.240
 >> Okay.

00:50:31.240 --> 00:50:32.240
 >> Appreciate it.

00:50:32.240 --> 00:50:33.240
 >> Thank you.

00:50:33.240 --> 00:50:36.640
 >> With that, that's the conclusion of our agenda for the work session items.

00:50:36.640 --> 00:50:45.040
 I will end our meeting at 6.02, and we will reconvene in council chambers at 6.30.

00:50:45.040 --> 00:50:52.560
 >> Good evening, and welcome to the Planning and Zoning Commission for the City of Denton,

00:50:52.560 --> 00:50:56.800
 September 27th, and my name is Tim Smith, and I will go ahead and start our meeting

00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:57.800
 tonight at 6.30.

00:50:57.800 --> 00:51:01.280
 With the core in present, we will begin our agenda.

00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:05.520
 First item, agenda item number one, the Pledge of Allegiance, the U.S. and Texas flag.

00:51:05.520 --> 00:51:08.040
 If you're able, please stand and present with me.

00:51:08.040 --> 00:51:15.600
 >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic

00:51:15.600 --> 00:51:22.280
 for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for

00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:23.280
 all.

00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:25.480
 >> Honor the Texas flag.

00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:33.600
 I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible.

00:51:33.600 --> 00:51:36.000
 >> Thank you.

00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:41.880
 Our second item on the agenda is PZ 23-177, the approval of the September 13th, 2023 Planning

00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:42.880
 and Zoning minutes.

00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:45.160
 I have a motion from Commissioner Villarreal.

00:51:45.160 --> 00:51:47.160
 >> Move approval.

00:51:47.160 --> 00:51:48.160
 >> Commissioner Colle?

00:51:48.160 --> 00:51:49.160
 >> Second.

00:51:49.160 --> 00:51:59.760
 >> With a first and a second, let's go ahead and take a vote on the board.

00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:02.400
 That motion passes 5-0.

00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:05.520
 Before I continue, let me go ahead and first say, let the record show that Commissioner

00:52:05.520 --> 00:52:08.040
 Ellis is absent.

00:52:08.040 --> 00:52:13.040
 Moving on to our next agenda item, agenda item number 3A, just number 3, the consent

00:52:13.040 --> 00:52:14.320
 agenda.

00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:15.520
 Do I hear a motion and a second?

00:52:15.520 --> 00:52:16.520
 >> So moved.

00:52:16.520 --> 00:52:17.520
 >> Commissioner Villarreal?

00:52:17.520 --> 00:52:18.520
 Commissioner Colle?

00:52:18.520 --> 00:52:19.520
 Or Commissioner McDade?

00:52:19.520 --> 00:52:20.520
 I'm sorry.

00:52:20.520 --> 00:52:21.520
 >> Second.

00:52:21.520 --> 00:52:24.520
 >> With a first and a second, I hear any discussion?

00:52:24.520 --> 00:52:37.280
 Okay, seeing none, we'll take a vote on the board.

00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:41.720
 That motion passes 5-0.

00:52:41.720 --> 00:52:49.360
 Continuing on to agenda item number 4, beginning with item 4A, FP 23-0022B is presented, Townsend

00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:55.280
 Green Phase 2, Julie Wyatt.

00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:57.720
 >> Good evening, Julie Wyatt, principal planner.

00:52:57.720 --> 00:53:05.400
 This is FP 23-0022B, the Townsend Green Phase 2 final plat.

00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:09.820
 This is a single family subdivision, it's the second phase of a project that is already

00:53:09.820 --> 00:53:11.880
 under development, the first phase.

00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:17.800
 It's located south of McKinney on the east side of town.

00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:23.040
 Your last planning and zoning commission meeting, it was approved with a condition that a development

00:53:23.040 --> 00:53:29.240
 agreement associated with a park dedication would be approved by city council.

00:53:29.240 --> 00:53:32.920
 It was approved last night at their meeting and so all conditions have been cleared and

00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:35.080
 staff recommends approval of this plat.

00:53:35.080 --> 00:53:37.240
 I'll be happy to answer any questions.

00:53:37.240 --> 00:53:45.160
 >> Thank you, Julie, I don't see any questions from -- okay.

00:53:45.160 --> 00:53:48.520
 I will take a motion and/or a second.

00:53:48.520 --> 00:53:49.800
 Commissioner Cole?

00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:52.000
 >> Make a motion to approve.

00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:53.000
 >> Commissioner Pruitt?

00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:54.000
 >> Second.

00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:55.000
 >> Any discussion?

00:53:55.000 --> 00:54:03.600
 Seeing none, I call for a vote on the board.

00:54:03.600 --> 00:54:06.600
 Motion carries 5-0.

00:54:06.600 --> 00:54:12.400
 Moving on to FP 23-0016B, Riney Elementary presented by Julie Wyatt again.

00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:13.400
 >> Hi.

00:54:13.400 --> 00:54:19.760
 So this is a final plat for an elementary school located on the south side of Riney

00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:23.100
 Road just east of Bonnie Bray.

00:54:23.100 --> 00:54:28.080
 Staff recommends approval of this final plat because the plat document does meet all criteria

00:54:28.080 --> 00:54:35.240
 for approval except for one condition that we are proposing that the civil plans be unconditionally

00:54:35.240 --> 00:54:38.800
 approved and I will be happy to answer any questions.

00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:41.440
 >> I don't see any questions, Julie.

00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:42.440
 Thank you.

00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:43.440
 >> Commissioner Villarreal?

00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:46.400
 >> Move approval of conditions.

00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:47.400
 >> Commissioner Cole?

00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:48.400
 >> Second.

00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:51.840
 >> With a first and a second, no discussion?

00:54:51.840 --> 00:55:03.000
 Okay, let's call for a vote on the board.

00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:06.000
 My motion passes 5-0.

00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:12.120
 Moving on to FP 23-0024, a new visitor to our dais, Oak Vista, Julie Wyatt.

00:55:12.120 --> 00:55:13.900
 Last one.

00:55:13.900 --> 00:55:15.200
 This is Oak Vista.

00:55:15.200 --> 00:55:17.600
 It is a final plat for this project.

00:55:17.600 --> 00:55:25.400
 It's a duplex project located on the south side of McKinney west of Loop 288 between

00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:28.480
 the future duchess and McKinney.

00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:31.560
 They do have some things that they need to correct on the final plat in order for it

00:55:31.560 --> 00:55:35.160
 to meet all those technical requirements, so staff is recommending denial.

00:55:35.160 --> 00:55:40.120
 However, we have no objection to the requested extension to October 25th and I will be happy

00:55:40.120 --> 00:55:42.280
 to answer any questions.

00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:43.480
 >> I don't see any, Julie.

00:55:43.480 --> 00:55:44.480
 Thank you.

00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:45.480
 >> Thank you.

00:55:45.480 --> 00:55:46.480
 >> Commissioner Villarreal.

00:55:46.480 --> 00:55:54.560
 >> Move approval of the extension request to a date certain of October 25th, 2023.

00:55:54.560 --> 00:55:55.560
 >> Commissioner Pruitt?

00:55:55.560 --> 00:55:56.560
 >> Second.

00:55:56.560 --> 00:56:01.120
 >> With a first and a second, to postpone to date certain of October 25th, 2023.

00:56:01.120 --> 00:56:02.120
 Any discussion?

00:56:02.120 --> 00:56:05.920
 Okay, let's call for a vote on the board.

00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:11.000
 Okay, that motion passes 5-0.

00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:18.120
 We want to our last item of individual consideration, FP23-0025, as presented by Mia Hines.

00:56:18.120 --> 00:56:22.320
 >> Good evening, Chair, members of the commission, Mia Hines, Associate Planner.

00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:27.920
 This item is a final plat for Golden Point Industrial located just west of I-35, approximately

00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:32.520
 2100 feet south of University, so just on the opposite side of Razor Ranch to orient

00:56:32.520 --> 00:56:33.520
 you.

00:56:33.520 --> 00:56:37.960
 At this time, the plat does not meet all of our criteria for approval, so we are recommending

00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:38.960
 denial.

00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:42.600
 However, we have no objection to the requested extension, which could be granted to October

00:56:42.600 --> 00:56:43.600
 25th, 2023.

00:56:43.600 --> 00:56:47.720
 And with that, I'll take any questions or comments.

00:56:47.720 --> 00:56:52.600
 >> I don't see any questions, Mia.

00:56:52.600 --> 00:56:55.160
 Thank you.

00:56:55.160 --> 00:56:56.160
 Commissioner Cole?

00:56:56.160 --> 00:57:04.520
 >> I make a motion to approve the extension to October 25th, 2023.

00:57:04.520 --> 00:57:05.520
 >> Commissioner Villarreal?

00:57:05.520 --> 00:57:06.520
 >> Second.

00:57:06.520 --> 00:57:10.880
 >> With a first and a second, a motion to continue until October 25th, 2023.

00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:11.880
 Any discussion?

00:57:11.880 --> 00:57:20.680
 Okay, take a vote on the board.

00:57:20.680 --> 00:57:23.720
 That motion passes 5-0.

00:57:23.720 --> 00:57:30.400
 Take us on to our public hearing items of the night, start with 5A DCA 23-0008.

00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:34.120
 Hear a discussion and make a recommendation regarding the development code amendments

00:57:34.120 --> 00:57:37.360
 regarding street lighting standards code amendment, presented by Aaron Binion.

00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:50.560
 And with that, I'll open up the public hearing.

00:57:50.560 --> 00:57:51.560
 >> Thank you.

00:57:51.560 --> 00:57:57.480
 I'm Aaron Binion with Dent Municipal Electric Engineering Department.

00:57:57.480 --> 00:58:03.320
 This evening, just wanted to provide some information regarding our recommendations

00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:07.840
 for changes to the Denton Development Code.

00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:13.960
 As of 2020, street lights were governed by the city code of ordinances.

00:58:13.960 --> 00:58:16.360
 That was moved to the Denton Development Code.

00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:21.240
 However, it was brought to our attention that some of our existing street lights do not

00:58:21.240 --> 00:58:25.960
 meet the Denton Development Code as it currently stands and so DME has been tasked with remedying

00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:28.160
 that situation.

00:58:28.160 --> 00:58:37.000
 In particular, section 7.11.6, item C requires street light fixtures that are full cutoff

00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:41.520
 and designed to direct light below a 90-degree horizontal plane extending from the lowest

00:58:41.520 --> 00:58:43.440
 point of the light source.

00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:45.920
 In other words, there can be no up light.

00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:50.160
 Our current Cobra Head light fixtures throughout the city meet this requirement, but the Acorn

00:58:50.160 --> 00:58:51.600
 style do not.

00:58:51.600 --> 00:58:56.200
 DME is working with the City Council right now to select an appropriate fixture that

00:58:56.200 --> 00:59:00.680
 meets the city aesthetic and also meets this requirement.

00:59:00.680 --> 00:59:07.240
 But to enable us to move forward, we request that a change be made to this, which we'll

00:59:07.240 --> 00:59:08.240
 address here shortly.

00:59:08.240 --> 00:59:15.560
 And also, item D requires that the lights be constructed to minimize or eliminate the

00:59:15.560 --> 00:59:20.140
 direct visibility of the light source so they do not cast or reflect light on adjacent property

00:59:20.140 --> 00:59:21.140
 areas.

00:59:21.140 --> 00:59:26.880
 Given that the lights are placed in the right of way just a few feet from adjacent properties,

00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:33.120
 that's as written physically infeasible, we'll say.

00:59:33.120 --> 00:59:38.320
 And so DME actually has been tasked with creating a criteria manual to direct placement and

00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:41.240
 installation of the lights.

00:59:41.240 --> 00:59:49.900
 And so our recommendations to these code changes are that 7.11.6C, say all new street lighting

00:59:49.900 --> 00:59:55.880
 fixtures, this will allow us to move forward with the appropriate street light that's been

00:59:55.880 --> 01:00:02.680
 selected with the direction of City Council, allow us to become compliant with this code.

01:00:02.680 --> 01:00:09.240
 And then for section D, we would like to amend the code so that it points to this new criteria

01:00:09.240 --> 01:00:10.240
 manual.

01:00:10.240 --> 01:00:14.720
 This criteria manual will give direction to developers, allow them to better understand

01:00:14.720 --> 01:00:21.400
 the requirements and the placements of street lights, hopefully again creating uniformity

01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:26.760
 for the city and streamlining that process so that developers and the citizens better

01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:33.320
 know what to expect in terms of street lights and also allowing us to meet national standards

01:00:33.320 --> 01:00:39.200
 in terms of how our streets should be lit.

01:00:39.200 --> 01:00:42.920
 And this slide just talks a little bit about what's contained therein.

01:00:42.920 --> 01:00:50.640
 Again, mostly dividing up responsibilities and helping to guide developers on how street

01:00:50.640 --> 01:00:55.100
 lights should be designed in the City of Denton.

01:00:55.100 --> 01:01:01.960
 And so with that, staff recommends that the amendments be accepted and approved.

01:01:01.960 --> 01:01:02.960
 Any questions?

01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:06.360
 I don't see any questions there.

01:01:06.360 --> 01:01:07.360
 Thank you.

01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:08.360
 Thank you.

01:01:08.360 --> 01:01:12.160
 I don't have any cards wishing to speak on this item, but as a public hearing, so anybody

01:01:12.160 --> 01:01:17.160
 who is wishing to do so may come forward now and then you can fill out a card afterwards.

01:01:17.160 --> 01:01:18.160
 Okay.

01:01:18.160 --> 01:01:24.080
 Seeing none, I'll close the public hearing and move discussion or a motion to the dais.

01:01:24.080 --> 01:01:26.040
 Commissioner Villarreal.

01:01:26.040 --> 01:01:31.720
 I move approval of the recommendation for the following development codes.

01:01:31.720 --> 01:01:32.720
 Okay.

01:01:32.720 --> 01:01:33.720
 Commissioner McDade?

01:01:33.720 --> 01:01:34.720
 Second.

01:01:34.720 --> 01:01:38.000
 With a first and a second, do we have any discussion?

01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:39.000
 Okay.

01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:42.040
 Seeing none on the board, I will move us to the board for a vote.

01:01:42.040 --> 01:01:51.480
 The motion carries five zero.

01:01:51.480 --> 01:02:01.080
 Moving forward, I'll go on to 5B, S23-0002, Steward Apartments presented by Mia Hine,

01:02:01.080 --> 01:02:03.720
 and I will open up the public hearing.

01:02:03.720 --> 01:02:05.240
 Mia Hines, by the way, not Mia Hines.

01:02:05.240 --> 01:02:06.240
 There's multiple Hines in this.

01:02:06.240 --> 01:02:07.240
 It's a good one, huh?

01:02:07.240 --> 01:02:08.240
 That was better.

01:02:08.240 --> 01:02:12.200
 Than the clean up?

01:02:12.200 --> 01:02:15.000
 Than that one, yeah.

01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:16.000
 I gotcha.

01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:17.000
 Okay.

01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:21.880
 Quiet of the dais, please, thank you.

01:02:21.880 --> 01:02:22.880
 All right.

01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:24.080
 Mia Hines, Associate Planner.

01:02:24.080 --> 01:02:27.560
 This item is a specific use permit for Steward Apartments.

01:02:27.560 --> 01:02:35.000
 The site is 2.695 acres located at the southwest corner of Loop 288 and Steward Road.

01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:41.480
 The current zoning is a mixed use neighborhood, which requires a maximum building height of

01:02:41.480 --> 01:02:47.600
 65 feet, but when the mixed use neighborhood district is adjacent to a single family residential

01:02:47.600 --> 01:02:55.000
 zone, or land use, anything above or between 41 feet and 65 feet requires a specific use

01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:59.280
 permit, and so that is why this request is before you this evening.

01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:01.400
 The multifamily use is permitted by right.

01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:07.360
 Again, this request is specific to the additional height within this, specific to this area.

01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:14.160
 Again, Loop 288 is the roadway that borders this property to the north.

01:03:14.160 --> 01:03:19.520
 It is a four lane or freeway with four travel lanes currently divided, and then Steward

01:03:19.520 --> 01:03:23.800
 Road is to the east, which is a collector with two vehicular travel lanes and an eight

01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:29.080
 foot wide side path on the east side adjacent to this property.

01:03:29.080 --> 01:03:33.880
 Beyond this property, you have adjacent single family residential uses, and then on the opposite

01:03:33.880 --> 01:03:39.480
 side of Steward Road is an existing multifamily development, which also came before this body

01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:44.520
 to request a specific use permit for additional height.

01:03:44.520 --> 01:03:50.600
 With this site plan, what we have are two buildings and a total of 78 multifamily dwelling

01:03:50.600 --> 01:03:51.600
 units.

01:03:51.600 --> 01:03:56.760
 One of the buildings is a three story building with a maximum building height of 40 feet.

01:03:56.760 --> 01:04:02.600
 The building that we are mostly focused on this evening with this request at hand is

01:04:02.600 --> 01:04:07.320
 a four story building with a maximum building height of 53 feet.

01:04:07.320 --> 01:04:13.520
 As far as total parking for this site, the applicant is proposing 146 in compliance with

01:04:13.520 --> 01:04:20.200
 our code, 12 bicycle spaces, which is, I think, I believe four more than what they would need

01:04:20.200 --> 01:04:21.760
 in our code.

01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:26.100
 On-site amenities include a dog park and an outdoor pool, and then off-site improvements

01:04:26.100 --> 01:04:30.500
 associated with this development would be a 10 foot wide side path within Steward Road,

01:04:30.500 --> 01:04:36.620
 a two way left turn lane as decided, recommended by the traffic impact analysis that was done

01:04:36.620 --> 01:04:42.600
 for this site, again, within Steward Road, and then a sidewalk along loop 288 per text

01:04:42.600 --> 01:04:47.000
 dots review and their standards.

01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:50.280
 There was a question about the access directly onto Steward Road.

01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:56.240
 I did confirm with the applicant that there is going to be a direct access from an entrance

01:04:56.240 --> 01:05:00.020
 along Steward Road for both building A and B, and I wanted to point that out.

01:05:00.020 --> 01:05:01.800
 It's not shown clearly.

01:05:01.800 --> 01:05:09.640
 It didn't really translate between the elevations and the site plan with what was presented,

01:05:09.640 --> 01:05:12.880
 but those entrances and those connections will be made.

01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:18.440
 I did get an updated site plan, so that will be clearly shown with the ordinance.

01:05:18.440 --> 01:05:24.700
 Gable elevation, so again, this is the building A that we are mostly focused on this evening.

01:05:24.700 --> 01:05:31.460
 The code for a building of this type really refers to the building height, or measures

01:05:31.460 --> 01:05:35.320
 the building height at the midpoint of the highest gable of the pitched roof, so if you

01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:40.240
 look at the elevations, you'll see that the overall building height is just under 59 feet.

01:05:40.240 --> 01:05:43.880
 The way we usually understand building height is just under 59 feet, but because of that

01:05:43.880 --> 01:05:48.640
 gable roof, the maximum building height that they're requesting is actually 53 feet, and

01:05:48.640 --> 01:05:54.200
 they can't go above that maximum building height.

01:05:54.200 --> 01:05:56.960
 That just shows what I was pointing out.

01:05:56.960 --> 01:06:01.600
 The applicant also did include some architectural renderings just to show basically from the

01:06:01.600 --> 01:06:05.320
 adjacent neighborhood what the view of that building would look like.

01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:11.400
 You can't really actually see it from the streets, the internal streets of that neighborhood

01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:16.240
 due to the sort of existing tree canopy coverage, and the building is set back significantly

01:06:16.240 --> 01:06:20.960
 from those existing single-family residential units as well.

01:06:20.960 --> 01:06:26.120
 As far as landscaping, they are meeting all of our criteria, providing a minimum landscape

01:06:26.120 --> 01:06:30.480
 coverage of 31% and a minimum tree canopy coverage of 42%.

01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:37.160
 They are providing street trees along Stewart Road and Loop 288, and they are providing

01:06:37.160 --> 01:06:40.360
 open space at 9%.

01:06:40.360 --> 01:06:45.200
 Standing along the right-of-way, they have a continuous row of shrubs as well as a masonry

01:06:45.200 --> 01:06:50.800
 and wrought iron gate in some areas that masonry is going to be used for a sort of retaining

01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:53.600
 wall, and the wrought iron would be on top of that.

01:06:53.600 --> 01:06:58.480
 And then as far as the compatibility buffer for the adjacent single-family residential

01:06:58.480 --> 01:07:02.680
 use to the south and southwest, they are proposing a six-foot tall masonry screening wall, so

01:07:02.680 --> 01:07:10.120
 a solid wall, as well as a 10-foot wide landscape buffer on the interior of the site.

01:07:10.120 --> 01:07:16.760
 This is in keeping with the Denton 2040 comprehensive plan that has this as a future land use designation

01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:19.680
 of neighborhood mixed use.

01:07:19.680 --> 01:07:27.900
 It also helps us achieve one of our housing goals, which is meeting the needs of our residents

01:07:27.900 --> 01:07:34.240
 with a diverse array of housing choice type and cost by allowing that additional height.

01:07:34.240 --> 01:07:38.680
 What we are getting with this development is that density and those additional units,

01:07:38.680 --> 01:07:43.280
 of course, with that level, at that level.

01:07:43.280 --> 01:07:54.360
 Mitigating adverse impacts, so DDC 7.10.6 has a requirement that building heights transition,

01:07:54.360 --> 01:08:00.240
 so that we aren't really looking at a residential zoning district with a maximum building height

01:08:00.240 --> 01:08:06.200
 of 40 feet, and then a multi-family building, of course, setting it right back up to that,

01:08:06.200 --> 01:08:10.160
 is much higher than what would be permitted within that residential district.

01:08:10.160 --> 01:08:11.560
 That's pretty much described here.

01:08:11.560 --> 01:08:18.440
 What you see in the red area is the 50-foot buffer, or 50-foot setback, where a building

01:08:18.440 --> 01:08:21.240
 could not exceed 40 feet.

01:08:21.240 --> 01:08:26.760
 Between that and the little orange area is 50 feet to 100 feet, where a building cannot

01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:36.900
 exceed 55 feet, and then beyond that in the green is the maximum building height must

01:08:36.900 --> 01:08:40.400
 meet what is required within the inmate district, which is 65 feet.

01:08:40.400 --> 01:08:46.360
 Again, what I said earlier, between 41 feet and 65 feet, an SUP is required, and that's

01:08:46.360 --> 01:08:51.360
 why this request is here before you today.

01:08:51.360 --> 01:08:54.440
 We did send out the proper notices for this.

01:08:54.440 --> 01:09:02.080
 We did receive one in opposition of that notice, in opposition of this request.

01:09:02.080 --> 01:09:05.000
 The applicants did not hold a neighborhood meeting, and I think that question was posed.

01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:10.040
 The applicant is here to speak to that, if that is still the question of the commissioner,

01:09:10.040 --> 01:09:16.460
 and no responses in favor or neutral to this request.

01:09:16.460 --> 01:09:17.920
 With that, staff is recommending approval.

01:09:17.920 --> 01:09:22.640
 Of course, the full justification for that recommendation is provided within your backup,

01:09:22.640 --> 01:09:28.560
 but again, this does meet all of our criteria for approval, and so that is our recommendation.

01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:31.920
 With that, I'll take any questions or comments that you have at this time, and again, the

01:09:31.920 --> 01:09:34.200
 applicant is here prepared to answer any of your questions as well.

01:09:34.200 --> 01:09:35.200
 Okay.

01:09:35.200 --> 01:09:36.200
 Thank you, Bian.

01:09:36.200 --> 01:09:41.880
 I don't see anybody with a question to speak.

01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:48.760
 I don't have a card for the applicant, but if the applicant is willing, is wanting to

01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:55.000
 speak at all ... We'll get to you in a second.

01:09:55.000 --> 01:09:59.280
 We'll get to public comment in a second, so no presentation from the applicant.

01:09:59.280 --> 01:10:03.160
 No presentation, just to hear the answer to questions, if you have them.

01:10:03.160 --> 01:10:04.160
 Okay.

01:10:04.160 --> 01:10:05.160
 Commissioner Villarreal.

01:10:05.160 --> 01:10:06.160
 Yes.

01:10:06.160 --> 01:10:07.160
 I do have a question for the applicant.

01:10:07.160 --> 01:10:11.240
 What was the reasoning to not hold that public meeting?

01:10:11.240 --> 01:10:15.500
 We did have some questions come in regards to this project.

01:10:15.500 --> 01:10:18.600
 You are coming into a single-family established neighborhood.

01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:23.040
 I'm just curious as to why that public meeting was decided as not being necessary.

01:10:23.040 --> 01:10:27.640
 If you can just state your name and address, and then you can answer the question.

01:10:27.640 --> 01:10:28.640
 Work address?

01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:29.640
 Yeah.

01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:30.640
 Work address is fine.

01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:33.640
 Nicholas Erringer, 1720 West Virginia Street in McKinney, I think.

01:10:33.640 --> 01:10:36.680
 Street or Parkway, one of the two.

01:10:36.680 --> 01:10:37.680
 Okay.

01:10:37.680 --> 01:10:38.680
 We sent out the notices.

01:10:38.680 --> 01:10:39.680
 We posted the signs.

01:10:39.680 --> 01:10:44.040
 With us only getting the one in opposition, we figured we weren't going to get a whole

01:10:44.040 --> 01:10:51.920
 lot of additional pushback beyond that, so we thought we kind of did adequate reach out.

01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:58.440
 Do you usually host public meetings when you're proposing projects of this nature in single-family

01:10:58.440 --> 01:11:01.800
 neighborhoods by chance?

01:11:01.800 --> 01:11:04.280
 Not usually, unless there's a request.

01:11:04.280 --> 01:11:05.280
 Gotcha.

01:11:05.280 --> 01:11:06.280
 Thank you.

01:11:06.280 --> 01:11:07.280
 Okay.

01:11:07.280 --> 01:11:08.280
 Is there any other questions?

01:11:08.280 --> 01:11:10.280
 Any other questions for Matkin?

01:11:10.280 --> 01:11:13.600
 Mia, I have two questions for you myself.

01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:14.600
 Thank you.

01:11:14.600 --> 01:11:15.600
 Yeah.

01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:16.600
 Matthew, correct?

01:11:16.600 --> 01:11:17.600
 Ned.

01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:18.600
 Ned.

01:11:18.600 --> 01:11:19.600
 All right.

01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:20.600
 Gotcha.

01:11:20.600 --> 01:11:26.440
 The current zoning right now, they can currently develop multi-family in that with the height

01:11:26.440 --> 01:11:27.640
 standards that currently stand.

01:11:27.640 --> 01:11:28.640
 That's why it's going for an SUP.

01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:30.080
 They're just trying to raise the height.

01:11:30.080 --> 01:11:31.080
 Correct.

01:11:31.080 --> 01:11:38.080
 Current setback for multi-family in that zoning right now is I'm assuming 10 feet, or is it

01:11:38.080 --> 01:11:39.080
 50?

01:11:39.080 --> 01:11:40.080
 From the ...

01:11:40.080 --> 01:11:47.560
 From the adjacent single-family residential zoning, is it 50 feet or is it 10 feet?

01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:55.520
 So just structures, I'm not sure what that south or southwest setback is immediately.

01:11:55.520 --> 01:11:59.160
 The building height in transition is more related to the height than the proximity.

01:11:59.160 --> 01:12:00.160
 Sure.

01:12:00.160 --> 01:12:03.480
 We've seen a project in the past that's similar to this, a multi-family, a budding right up

01:12:03.480 --> 01:12:05.380
 next to a single-family residential.

01:12:05.380 --> 01:12:08.500
 By right, they could've ... I mean, this is almost an exact carbon copy of what we had

01:12:08.500 --> 01:12:14.440
 over off 35 between Buckees and the old Goodwill, requesting an SUP for a change of height.

01:12:14.440 --> 01:12:18.920
 They could, by right, develop multi-family up to 10 feet setback from the neighborhood

01:12:18.920 --> 01:12:24.200
 property line, but they're asking for the SUP to increase the height, to make up for

01:12:24.200 --> 01:12:30.800
 topography on the land, and by doing so, they're enforcing on themselves a 100-foot buffer.

01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:36.840
 What I'm wanting to know is that if this SUP was not approved tonight, could the applicant

01:12:36.840 --> 01:12:41.360
 still move forward and develop a multi-family within a 10-foot setback, and then abiding

01:12:41.360 --> 01:12:45.760
 by the height transitioning, which as you put it, within that 50-foot zone of the single-family

01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:48.280
 residential, could be a maximum height of 40 feet.

01:12:48.280 --> 01:12:54.880
 And 40 feet, if I believe correctly, equates to, I think, essentially about a two-story

01:12:54.880 --> 01:12:55.880
 building, correct, usually?

01:12:55.880 --> 01:12:59.320
 You can't really get three stories in 40 feet, correct?

01:12:59.320 --> 01:13:01.880
 So a two-story building could be 10 feet from the backyard.

01:13:01.880 --> 01:13:10.000
 So, yeah, so the MN district does have no actual minimum side yard or rear yard setback.

01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:12.800
 Because of the use, there is still that landscape buffer, so you're correct.

01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:13.800
 It would be 10 feet.

01:13:13.800 --> 01:13:14.800
 10 feet.

01:13:14.800 --> 01:13:15.800
 Yes.

01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:16.800
 OK.

01:13:16.800 --> 01:13:17.800
 All right.

01:13:17.800 --> 01:13:18.800
 Thank you, Mia.

01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:19.800
 OK.

01:13:19.800 --> 01:13:20.800
 All right.

01:13:20.800 --> 01:13:21.800
 I do not have any cards.

01:13:21.800 --> 01:13:25.680
 I know we have one citizen from the public who does want to speak, so if you'd like to

01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:27.840
 come on up, you could fill out a card afterwards.

01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:31.440
 But if you can just state your name and your address, and then you'll have four minutes

01:13:31.440 --> 01:13:34.040
 to speak.

01:13:34.040 --> 01:13:38.800
 Mia, you mind?

01:13:38.800 --> 01:13:39.800
 You're good.

01:13:39.800 --> 01:13:41.280
 I'd come down there and help you myself if I could.

01:13:41.280 --> 01:13:42.280
 I'm the only protest.

01:13:42.280 --> 01:13:44.160
 And I only did it because--

01:13:44.160 --> 01:13:45.560
 If you could state your name and address real quick.

01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:46.560
 I'm so sorry.

01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:47.560
 You're OK, Janice.

01:13:47.560 --> 01:13:48.560
 Go ahead.

01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:49.560
 You're OK, Janice.

01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:50.560
 My name's Janice Rogers.

01:13:50.560 --> 01:13:52.440
 I live at 4204 Saline Drive.

01:13:52.440 --> 01:13:58.800
 On that map, I am the last house that shows.

01:13:58.800 --> 01:14:04.280
 I came because I didn't know where the building was going to sit, because that's 2.6 acres.

01:14:04.280 --> 01:14:07.040
 And you're showing it's going to be in the far corner where we have to turn and come

01:14:07.040 --> 01:14:08.040
 down the street.

01:14:08.040 --> 01:14:11.360
 There is no turn lane off of Loop 288.

01:14:11.360 --> 01:14:15.520
 We're at our-- to get in and out of that area, you take your life in your hands, because

01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:20.340
 even though it's got a sign posted, nobody slows down past 60, 65.

01:14:20.340 --> 01:14:27.000
 My main problem was when they put in the three-story at the end of our street on Stewart, in the

01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:30.960
 loop, it blocked an hour's worth of sunshine every morning.

01:14:30.960 --> 01:14:34.400
 And I just like-- I can live with losing more sunshine, but I want to know if it's going

01:14:34.400 --> 01:14:38.240
 to be up close to my house, but it's going to be on the far edge of it.

01:14:38.240 --> 01:14:45.160
 So I have no problems if it's not up against the-- my backyard is it.

01:14:45.160 --> 01:14:49.200
 And they showed me that the parking was probably going to be in front of my backyard, which

01:14:49.200 --> 01:14:54.440
 is-- that's really what I was here for, because you couldn't tell by this.

01:14:54.440 --> 01:14:57.440
 And I filled out the card, but I appreciate y'all, because I just didn't know where it's

01:14:57.440 --> 01:14:58.440
 going to be built.

01:14:58.440 --> 01:15:03.640
 And my only problem is I want to know when it comes time to build, I work from home.

01:15:03.640 --> 01:15:08.200
 So if they start messing with power lines and cable lines, I'm going to lose my-- I

01:15:08.200 --> 01:15:09.200
 can't work.

01:15:09.200 --> 01:15:15.720
 I just need to know who to call when things get shut off or broken or, you know, cut.

01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:18.640
 And we had that when they were building those apartments, and then they're usually pretty,

01:15:18.640 --> 01:15:19.640
 pretty good.

01:15:19.640 --> 01:15:22.040
 We only lost internet one time.

01:15:22.040 --> 01:15:23.040
 I appreciate y'all.

01:15:23.040 --> 01:15:24.040
 Thank you.

01:15:24.040 --> 01:15:25.040
 I appreciate it.

01:15:25.040 --> 01:15:28.120
 Mia, if you can get with Janice afterwards and talk to her about getting in contact for

01:15:28.120 --> 01:15:30.120
 power and that kind of stuff.

01:15:30.120 --> 01:15:31.120
 So great.

01:15:31.120 --> 01:15:32.120
 Awesome.

01:15:32.120 --> 01:15:33.120
 All right.

01:15:33.120 --> 01:15:34.640
 Have any other-- anybody else wishing to speak?

01:15:34.640 --> 01:15:35.640
 If so, come on down.

01:15:35.640 --> 01:15:36.640
 Yep.

01:15:36.640 --> 01:15:37.640
 You can fill out a card afterwards.

01:15:37.640 --> 01:15:40.200
 You can grab one of the blue cards out there in the hallway and speak afterwards, but come

01:15:40.200 --> 01:15:43.120
 on down to the mic and state your name and address, and then you'll have four minutes

01:15:43.120 --> 01:15:44.120
 to speak.

01:15:44.120 --> 01:15:45.120
 Oh, yes.

01:15:45.120 --> 01:15:46.120
 My name is Alan Moreno.

01:15:46.120 --> 01:15:47.920
 Wait until you get down to the mic.

01:15:47.920 --> 01:15:48.920
 We broadcast this.

01:15:48.920 --> 01:15:50.320
 They're at DTV, and they can't hear you.

01:15:50.320 --> 01:15:51.320
 Sorry about that.

01:15:51.320 --> 01:15:52.320
 You're OK.

01:15:52.320 --> 01:15:53.320
 My name is Alan Moreno.

01:15:53.320 --> 01:15:54.760
 I live at 705 Jupiter Drive.

01:15:54.760 --> 01:16:00.680
 I am the far left house on that picture, like right there on that corner.

01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:07.120
 My issue is all the same as the last person against us, as when they were doing construction

01:16:07.120 --> 01:16:15.940
 and that turn going in on Stewart and connecting to Celine, there is a high traffic whenever

01:16:15.940 --> 01:16:18.800
 you come in and cut across.

01:16:18.800 --> 01:16:25.120
 They have been-- the other apartments that are put there, they have side parking now.

01:16:25.120 --> 01:16:32.920
 And when you come in, my issue is how are they going to accommodate their side street

01:16:32.920 --> 01:16:38.320
 parking, because even when you come in, it narrows that road.

01:16:38.320 --> 01:16:41.560
 And my understanding from what they explained is they were going to try to expand it in

01:16:41.560 --> 01:16:43.360
 some way.

01:16:43.360 --> 01:16:47.760
 My question is where, because in the other side of the apartments, they haven't expanded

01:16:47.760 --> 01:16:51.320
 it at all, it's still up against the street.

01:16:51.320 --> 01:16:52.880
 So are they going to do something similar?

01:16:52.880 --> 01:17:00.280
 Is it going to be like a copy paste over, or how is it going to affect us just in traffic

01:17:00.280 --> 01:17:06.840
 and-- I work 5 o'clock in the morning, so when I leave, people are parked here.

01:17:06.840 --> 01:17:12.280
 You take that corner, it's a blind corner, basically, along with, of course, the whole

01:17:12.280 --> 01:17:18.880
 height issue and losing sunlight, I feel like it's going to be kind of more of an eyesore,

01:17:18.880 --> 01:17:24.960
 because on that side, there's not as high of a tree line as the other developed development

01:17:24.960 --> 01:17:26.960
 across the street.

01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:31.560
 So I guess what I'm saying is I'm here to be another opposition.

01:17:31.560 --> 01:17:32.560
 Yes.

01:17:32.560 --> 01:17:33.560
 All right.

01:17:33.560 --> 01:17:34.560
 Thank you very much.

01:17:34.560 --> 01:17:37.600
 We'll address the question that you have about side street parking in a second, if there's

01:17:37.600 --> 01:17:39.680
 no other public speakers who have any other questions for the applicant.

01:17:39.680 --> 01:17:41.000
 We'll ask them all at the same time.

01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:42.680
 So thank you for coming out and speaking.

01:17:42.680 --> 01:17:43.680
 Thank you.

01:17:43.680 --> 01:17:46.800
 If you can, just remember to fill out a card and get it over to us.

01:17:46.800 --> 01:17:47.800
 So I appreciate it.

01:17:47.800 --> 01:17:48.800
 OK.

01:17:48.800 --> 01:17:49.800
 This is a public hearing.

01:17:49.800 --> 01:17:51.440
 If there's any other way for us to speak, please come on down.

01:17:51.440 --> 01:17:59.920
 Just state your name and your address, and you'll have four minutes to speak.

01:17:59.920 --> 01:18:00.920
 My name is Brittany Boss.

01:18:00.920 --> 01:18:01.920
 You can address it if you'd like to.

01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:02.920
 Yeah, go ahead.

01:18:02.920 --> 01:18:03.920
 Oh, cool.

01:18:03.920 --> 01:18:04.920
 Short people problems.

01:18:04.920 --> 01:18:08.760
 I'm Brittany Boss, and I live on 704 Jupiter Drive right across the street from him, and

01:18:08.760 --> 01:18:12.840
 I'm in opposition of this, mostly for the traffic.

01:18:12.840 --> 01:18:16.360
 It's already-- I leave at 4, compared to him moving at 5.

01:18:16.360 --> 01:18:18.800
 We usually see each other sometimes.

01:18:18.800 --> 01:18:23.460
 Whenever we're trying to leave-- at least, I know for me, I get caught in the traffic

01:18:23.460 --> 01:18:27.520
 in the morning, because there are other early risers, we get caught in the traffic.

01:18:27.520 --> 01:18:36.800
 And whenever we see cars coming in to get onto Stewart from Loop 288, they're not the

01:18:36.800 --> 01:18:41.040
 best of drivers, especially not that early in the morning.

01:18:41.040 --> 01:18:45.240
 And sometimes they veer into the already opposing lane.

01:18:45.240 --> 01:18:49.520
 So there are times when the parked vehicles are there, and they're oncoming.

01:18:49.520 --> 01:18:53.960
 We do have to slow down a little bit more, because they go at such high speeds, already

01:18:53.960 --> 01:18:54.960
 curving.

01:18:54.960 --> 01:19:01.840
 And I saw on the map the entrance was going to be on Stewart for the two-way left lane.

01:19:01.840 --> 01:19:07.520
 And I was wondering, kind of like, why they would do that?

01:19:07.520 --> 01:19:12.520
 Because already-- and just today, when I was coming home, I take Loop 288 and get onto

01:19:12.520 --> 01:19:16.480
 Stewart to get onto Selene and get onto Jupiter.

01:19:16.480 --> 01:19:22.240
 The people already going into the Xer stop to get into the left, but everyone else on

01:19:22.240 --> 01:19:26.560
 the Loop going off that is still going at high speeds, because there's no way to really

01:19:26.560 --> 01:19:28.440
 safely slow down and turn.

01:19:28.440 --> 01:19:30.200
 Nobody wants to slow down.

01:19:30.200 --> 01:19:34.600
 And then seeing someone already there, we can't slow down, because they're not slowing

01:19:34.600 --> 01:19:35.600
 down.

01:19:35.600 --> 01:19:37.480
 And we try to be as safe as possible.

01:19:37.480 --> 01:19:43.160
 We're already-- I saw someone almost get hit today on my way home, because they were trying

01:19:43.160 --> 01:19:46.720
 to get into the apartments, and no one was slowing down.

01:19:46.720 --> 01:19:53.280
 My question is, why would the entrance be on Stewart, adding to more of the traffic

01:19:53.280 --> 01:19:58.360
 stops, people getting stuck in the endless, the high traffic hours of trying to turn left

01:19:58.360 --> 01:20:01.400
 or right, or to get to where they need to go?

01:20:01.400 --> 01:20:08.120
 Instead of, I guess, creating a bit more of another lane entering into the apartments

01:20:08.120 --> 01:20:14.360
 off Loop 288, where it's dedicated, where they can safely enter and not contribute to

01:20:14.360 --> 01:20:21.160
 possible traffic jams during the high hours of traffic, like 5 o'clock, 7 in the morning.

01:20:21.160 --> 01:20:27.040
 So I'm in opposition of this, solely because of the existing traffic issues I've been experiencing

01:20:27.040 --> 01:20:31.480
 since the current apartments have come into play.

01:20:31.480 --> 01:20:38.800
 And then seeing the addition of another possible traffic problem.

01:20:38.800 --> 01:20:39.800
 OK.

01:20:39.800 --> 01:20:45.600
 If I can ask you a quick question, would you reference parking along the street of Stewart?

01:20:45.600 --> 01:20:50.960
 You mean along the east side, which is the side of the already existing apartment complex?

01:20:50.960 --> 01:20:51.960
 Yes.

01:20:51.960 --> 01:20:52.960
 They park along that street there?

01:20:52.960 --> 01:20:54.320
 Are they parked along the shoulder?

01:20:54.320 --> 01:20:58.360
 My understanding, I was looking at the map on Stewart, doesn't look like there's much

01:20:58.360 --> 01:20:59.360
 of a shoulder there.

01:20:59.360 --> 01:21:00.360
 So they just park?

01:21:00.360 --> 01:21:01.360
 It's barely.

01:21:01.360 --> 01:21:02.360
 It's like a hint of a shoulder.

01:21:02.360 --> 01:21:07.840
 You could park there, and your rear view mirrors are right there above the line.

01:21:07.840 --> 01:21:11.880
 Or if you're able to get a little closer to the curb, it's just a smidge more.

01:21:11.880 --> 01:21:16.920
 I know when the construction was happening during that time, and it was raining, I did

01:21:16.920 --> 01:21:22.600
 almost hit one of the vehicles there, because there was a little bit of a bump there.

01:21:22.600 --> 01:21:26.600
 So that is an existing issue.

01:21:26.600 --> 01:21:27.600
 Thank you.

01:21:27.600 --> 01:21:28.960
 Appreciate it.

01:21:28.960 --> 01:21:29.960
 This is a public hearing.

01:21:29.960 --> 01:21:35.080
 Anybody who is wishing to speak may do so.

01:21:35.080 --> 01:21:38.160
 OK.

01:21:38.160 --> 01:21:39.720
 Seeing none, I will close the public hearing.

01:21:39.720 --> 01:21:43.200
 Mia, I do have a couple of questions I'd like to address, and then if the applicant wants

01:21:43.200 --> 01:21:46.680
 to address anything on public comment.

01:21:46.680 --> 01:21:47.680
 Two things.

01:21:47.680 --> 01:21:53.040
 Is Stewart Road wide enough, and does our parking allow for us to allow for on-street

01:21:53.040 --> 01:21:54.040
 parking on Stewart Road?

01:21:54.040 --> 01:21:59.000
 It doesn't look like when I look at the map that on-street parking would be allowed there.

01:21:59.000 --> 01:22:05.880
 Yeah, with the construction of Quincy Road, they did stripe that shoulder or that side

01:22:05.880 --> 01:22:09.440
 of the street for allow for on-street parking.

01:22:09.440 --> 01:22:13.540
 It is kind of-- it's kind of reflect-- it's kind of cut off here.

01:22:13.540 --> 01:22:17.480
 It's kind of reflected in the site plan that we're considering this evening that shows

01:22:17.480 --> 01:22:20.720
 some of those spaces and that dedication.

01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:28.320
 I will say that this-- as a part of this development, there is some additional dedication for that

01:22:28.320 --> 01:22:29.960
 area of Stewart Road as well.

01:22:29.960 --> 01:22:30.960
 OK.

01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:31.960
 Gotcha.

01:22:31.960 --> 01:22:34.680
 We can address the applicant about that in a second.

01:22:34.680 --> 01:22:39.960
 Can you help us visualize on the site plan the left-- the two-way middle turn lane that

01:22:39.960 --> 01:22:43.000
 you're talking about that'll be required due to the TIA?

01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:46.960
 Is there a best way to visualize that?

01:22:46.960 --> 01:22:51.620
 This is-- this is the best exhibit that I have for it, unfortunately, and it's-- it's--

01:22:51.620 --> 01:22:55.080
 it would be here-- I'm sorry, here in the center.

01:22:55.080 --> 01:22:57.800
 You can see where my mouse is.

01:22:57.800 --> 01:23:03.400
 Again, with the-- with the dedication that is being proposed as a part of this, it would

01:23:03.400 --> 01:23:09.120
 be wide enough to add a-- so there-- there would be that-- that-- that area of parking

01:23:09.120 --> 01:23:14.880
 that's over there to the east, then that the lane-- that one lane that would be going north

01:23:14.880 --> 01:23:21.680
 on Stewart, and then there would be a center turn lane there within this area here, and

01:23:21.680 --> 01:23:24.640
 then there would be the southbound lane on Stewart.

01:23:24.640 --> 01:23:29.560
 So essentially, it will be re-striped to create-- well, yes, it's a middle turn lane, but it

01:23:29.560 --> 01:23:34.760
 will be a buffering-- a striped buffering within there, at least for the north and southbound

01:23:34.760 --> 01:23:37.440
 traffic, because that's how that's-- and that's going to go all the way to the intersection

01:23:37.440 --> 01:23:38.440
 at 288.

01:23:38.440 --> 01:23:40.920
 No, just-- just to the entrance to the north entrance.

01:23:40.920 --> 01:23:45.280
 So that-- that will narrow back out as it gets closer to 288.

01:23:45.280 --> 01:23:46.280
 So, okay.

01:23:46.280 --> 01:23:47.280
 Understood.

01:23:47.280 --> 01:23:48.280
 Okay.

01:23:48.280 --> 01:23:49.280
 Thank you.

01:23:49.280 --> 01:23:52.160
 If the applicant wants to come on down and address any-- anything about the on-street

01:23:52.160 --> 01:23:54.800
 parking that was brought up during public comment.

01:23:54.800 --> 01:23:57.480
 Hi, Alden.

01:23:57.480 --> 01:24:05.720
 Yeah, so just to clarify a couple of things, it-- the road never narrows back down.

01:24:05.720 --> 01:24:09.880
 As it gets close to loop 288, we're-- we're building the full half section.

01:24:09.880 --> 01:24:14.880
 I think the entire width of our property, it does taper down towards the south side.

01:24:14.880 --> 01:24:20.200
 But for the-- kind of the-- the length of our property, we're building the full section.

01:24:20.200 --> 01:24:21.200
 Okay.

01:24:21.200 --> 01:24:26.280
 The existing parking for the adjacent development, we are maintaining that and we'll be re-striping

01:24:26.280 --> 01:24:27.280
 it.

01:24:27.280 --> 01:24:28.280
 We've got the full northbound lane.

01:24:28.280 --> 01:24:32.240
 We've got the center lane, which varies, and if-- if this would be helpful, I can pass

01:24:32.240 --> 01:24:35.920
 out the actual-- I've only got one copy, but I can pass out the printed copy of the site

01:24:35.920 --> 01:24:38.720
 plan if you want a more detailed look at it.

01:24:38.720 --> 01:24:42.920
 And that center lane is, again, it varies from strike buffer to two-way left turn lanes,

01:24:42.920 --> 01:24:45.440
 and then we've got the full southbound lane as well.

01:24:45.440 --> 01:24:48.440
 I'm here to answer any other questions.

01:24:48.440 --> 01:24:51.960
 I don't know if the eye in the-- oh, I'm looking up at God for this, but I don't know if the

01:24:51.960 --> 01:24:56.040
 eye in the sky can see that, what he has laid out on the sheet, but if we could put that

01:24:56.040 --> 01:25:01.480
 up on the screen, that'd be great.

01:25:01.480 --> 01:25:02.760
 Lord Jesus, do you hear me?

01:25:02.760 --> 01:25:03.760
 Okay.

01:25:03.760 --> 01:25:07.880
 Can you-- would you mind-- I don't know if we could see-- if you want to shift it to

01:25:07.880 --> 01:25:10.680
 get into view, over the felt square there.

01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:11.680
 Okay.

01:25:11.680 --> 01:25:18.560
 So I guess that-- well, you want me to talk and come back?

01:25:18.560 --> 01:25:19.560
 Yeah.

01:25:19.560 --> 01:25:21.360
 You could just point-- you could point the mic back over to yourself, and you'd be able

01:25:21.360 --> 01:25:22.360
 to speak.

01:25:22.360 --> 01:25:23.360
 Perfect.

01:25:23.360 --> 01:25:24.360
 This better?

01:25:24.360 --> 01:25:25.360
 Yep.

01:25:25.360 --> 01:25:26.360
 Okay.

01:25:26.360 --> 01:25:27.360
 And there, if we could get around so we could see it on there.

01:25:27.360 --> 01:25:28.360
 So I guess-- oh, perfect.

01:25:28.360 --> 01:25:29.360
 Never mind.

01:25:29.360 --> 01:25:30.360
 I'll move over here then.

01:25:30.360 --> 01:25:32.000
 But I-- hopefully that's helpful, and we can zoom in and talk about--

01:25:32.000 --> 01:25:36.640
 Can you zoom-- can we zoom in a little bit onto the road, Stuart Road, on-- on the--

01:25:36.640 --> 01:25:39.400
 on the site plan there?

01:25:39.400 --> 01:25:45.400
 I wish I had my little joystick.

01:25:45.400 --> 01:25:50.000
 That'd be great.

01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:51.000
 There we go.

01:25:51.000 --> 01:25:52.000
 Perfect.

01:25:52.000 --> 01:25:53.000
 Okay.

01:25:53.000 --> 01:25:54.000
 Go ahead.

01:25:54.000 --> 01:25:59.760
 Well, I-- I don't have any more to add unless I'm answering any other specific questions,

01:25:59.760 --> 01:26:02.680
 or if you want to talk about any areas in-- in-- specifically.

01:26:02.680 --> 01:26:07.560
 So specifically where you're seeing that striped section on top of the-- the word Stuart Road,

01:26:07.560 --> 01:26:11.200
 that-- that's gonna be-- that's not gonna be the turn lane, obviously, but you can see

01:26:11.200 --> 01:26:16.060
 to where that-- the hatch marking over on the west side of the road there, right?

01:26:16.060 --> 01:26:19.840
 That's gonna be-- that's gonna be actual landscape buffering, and then the road-- you guys will

01:26:19.840 --> 01:26:23.200
 essentially be building out a section of road there, correct, to make almost-- almost make

01:26:23.200 --> 01:26:24.200
 Stuart Road wider.

01:26:24.200 --> 01:26:25.200
 Yes, sir.

01:26:25.200 --> 01:26:26.200
 Is that my understanding?

01:26:26.200 --> 01:26:27.200
 Okay.

01:26:27.200 --> 01:26:28.200
 Yes, sir.

01:26:28.200 --> 01:26:29.200
 Gotcha.

01:26:29.200 --> 01:26:30.200
 So it'd be widening Stuart Road to a degree.

01:26:30.200 --> 01:26:31.320
 I don't want to say that when traffic engineers get-- get mad at us when I say that stuff.

01:26:31.320 --> 01:26:32.960
 So-- but that's essentially what's gonna happen.

01:26:32.960 --> 01:26:33.960
 Yes, sir.

01:26:33.960 --> 01:26:34.960
 Yeah, that's correct.

01:26:34.960 --> 01:26:35.960
 Okay.

01:26:35.960 --> 01:26:36.960
 Understood.

01:26:36.960 --> 01:26:37.960
 Okay.

01:26:37.960 --> 01:26:38.960
 Thank you.

01:26:38.960 --> 01:26:41.960
 Do we have any other questions for the applicant?

01:26:41.960 --> 01:26:42.960
 Okay.

01:26:42.960 --> 01:26:43.960
 Seeing none.

01:26:43.960 --> 01:26:44.960
 I think none.

01:26:44.960 --> 01:26:45.960
 Appreciate it.

01:26:45.960 --> 01:26:46.960
 Awesome.

01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:47.960
 Thanks, y'all.

01:26:47.960 --> 01:26:48.960
 Okay.

01:26:48.960 --> 01:26:53.280
 Public hearing has been closed, so I'll move to the dais for discussion and/or motion.

01:26:53.280 --> 01:26:55.520
 Commissioner Pruitt?

01:26:55.520 --> 01:26:59.880
 I'll move approval as presented.

01:26:59.880 --> 01:27:00.880
 Okay.

01:27:00.880 --> 01:27:01.880
 Okay.

01:27:01.880 --> 01:27:02.880
 With-- with staff conditions?

01:27:02.880 --> 01:27:03.880
 Yes.

01:27:03.880 --> 01:27:04.880
 Okay.

01:27:04.880 --> 01:27:05.880
 Well, as presented to.

01:27:05.880 --> 01:27:06.880
 Commissioner Cole?

01:27:06.880 --> 01:27:07.880
 Second.

01:27:07.880 --> 01:27:08.880
 Okay.

01:27:08.880 --> 01:27:11.640
 With the first in discussion-- second, do we have any discussion?

01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:12.640
 Commissioner Villarreal.

01:27:12.640 --> 01:27:13.640
 Yeah.

01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:17.600
 First off, thank you, staff and the applicant for what you presented today.

01:27:17.600 --> 01:27:24.080
 I fully understand you can build an apartment here by right, fully respect that.

01:27:24.080 --> 01:27:31.880
 However, I don't believe a four-story complex in this neighborhood makes too much sense.

01:27:31.880 --> 01:27:36.220
 I believe that a lot of these questions could have been answered earlier if a public meeting

01:27:36.220 --> 01:27:37.600
 was had.

01:27:37.600 --> 01:27:39.880
 With that in mind, I'm going to vote no.

01:27:39.880 --> 01:27:40.880
 Okay.

01:27:40.880 --> 01:27:42.640
 Commissioner McDean?

01:27:42.640 --> 01:27:43.640
 Thank you, Chair.

01:27:43.640 --> 01:27:48.280
 I'm also in agreement with Commissioner Villarreal.

01:27:48.280 --> 01:27:50.240
 My biggest concern is the traffic.

01:27:50.240 --> 01:27:55.800
 Although I don't live in that area, I actually work in that area on Hay Street.

01:27:55.800 --> 01:27:59.960
 So the traffic that you see every morning, I see it also.

01:27:59.960 --> 01:28:04.760
 I have a big concern with the traffic, and for that reason, I'm also in opposition of

01:28:04.760 --> 01:28:05.760
 this.

01:28:05.760 --> 01:28:06.760
 Okay.

01:28:06.760 --> 01:28:07.760
 Thank you.

01:28:07.760 --> 01:28:08.760
 All right.

01:28:08.760 --> 01:28:09.760
 Any other discussion?

01:28:09.760 --> 01:28:10.760
 Commissioner Pruitt?

01:28:10.760 --> 01:28:11.760
 Thank you, Chair.

01:28:11.760 --> 01:28:23.320
 I'm sensitive to the access and traffic issues because this is another case where we're butted

01:28:23.320 --> 01:28:30.240
 up against to a tech stop road and their priorities is moving people and cars as fast as possible,

01:28:30.240 --> 01:28:37.560
 and our priority is trying to make a neighborhood that people enjoy living in, and those conflict.

01:28:37.560 --> 01:28:44.800
 At the same time, the proposed schematic here does improve the current situation.

01:28:44.800 --> 01:28:50.080
 It gives you basically 30 feet of roadway where you can miss before hitting a parked

01:28:50.080 --> 01:28:51.080
 car.

01:28:51.080 --> 01:28:57.280
 Right now, I think they have about 15 feet.

01:28:57.280 --> 01:29:06.680
 To me, it looks like this can only be an improvement from a traffic perspective.

01:29:06.680 --> 01:29:09.720
 Where does this kind of thing go, perspective?

01:29:09.720 --> 01:29:20.520
 We've been talking about being reticent about large clumps of housing outside of the loop,

01:29:20.520 --> 01:29:21.960
 outside of our core.

01:29:21.960 --> 01:29:22.960
 This one's inside.

01:29:22.960 --> 01:29:23.960
 Right?

01:29:23.960 --> 01:29:30.280
 So this gives people an opportunity to move here and be able to travel through a neighborhood

01:29:30.280 --> 01:29:39.000
 to get downtown or ride their bike somewhere or et cetera, and I think we need to recognize

01:29:39.000 --> 01:29:47.520
 when we see projects that fulfill that vision of seeing more infill, not outside the loop,

01:29:47.520 --> 01:29:53.560
 then we need to reward them with support, so thank you.

01:29:53.560 --> 01:30:01.720
 While I have Hilary looking up something real quick, I just want to say a few words myself.

01:30:01.720 --> 01:30:06.680
 I totally hear the neighborhood on this, and thank you very much for coming out and speaking

01:30:06.680 --> 01:30:11.520
 for those who've done it for the first time, did a great job.

01:30:11.520 --> 01:30:16.800
 I agree with Commissioner Pruitt that while having the multifamily there may not be what

01:30:16.800 --> 01:30:22.280
 is desired, I think it's also very hard to look at this plot of land being only 2.6 acres

01:30:22.280 --> 01:30:27.920
 and seeing it be really anything else other than a very small multifamily development.

01:30:27.920 --> 01:30:32.160
 Having a commercial development there could be very difficult.

01:30:32.160 --> 01:30:36.080
 I also don't think it'd be something that'd be necessarily useful to the neighborhood

01:30:36.080 --> 01:30:39.560
 and might end up being something like a gas station or a convenience store, which I think

01:30:39.560 --> 01:30:46.160
 would be less desirable to folks there because of the noise pollution and light pollution

01:30:46.160 --> 01:30:52.080
 that goes along there, and with it being able to be built by right and really the only change

01:30:52.080 --> 01:30:55.480
 is, yes, I agree with Commissioner Villarreal, I think the height is not the greatest, but

01:30:55.480 --> 01:31:01.400
 in my opinion, if it isn't something like this, an amenable project that creates a lot

01:31:01.400 --> 01:31:06.600
 of buffer with a street improvement added into it to hopefully alleviate some of the

01:31:06.600 --> 01:31:13.280
 traffic issues, and I say hopefully because no one can tell the future and speak to it.

01:31:13.280 --> 01:31:16.840
 I've driven down Stewart before, and that's why I was asking those questions there because

01:31:16.840 --> 01:31:22.240
 I was concerned about really how much actual street parking should be happening there,

01:31:22.240 --> 01:31:27.000
 but now I know there's street parking there already, so I am concerned by that as well,

01:31:27.000 --> 01:31:31.720
 but with it being said, I think the project is something that makes sense in this area,

01:31:31.720 --> 01:31:32.720
 so.

01:31:32.720 --> 01:31:33.720
 [inaudible]

01:31:33.720 --> 01:31:34.720
 Understood.

01:31:34.720 --> 01:31:35.720
 Okay.

01:31:35.720 --> 01:31:36.720
 Any other discussion?

01:31:36.720 --> 01:31:37.720
 Okay.

01:31:37.720 --> 01:31:45.720
 Seeing none, I call for a vote on the board.

01:31:45.720 --> 01:31:52.520
 That motion passes three, two.

01:31:52.520 --> 01:31:53.520
 Okay.

01:31:53.520 --> 01:32:01.360
 Moving on, we'll move on to item 6A, Planning and Zoning Commission Project Matrix, PZ23-170,

01:32:01.360 --> 01:32:05.560
 and I will throw this over to Tina Fergens.

01:32:05.560 --> 01:32:06.560
 Thank you.

01:32:06.560 --> 01:32:10.160
 Just close that and get that out of the way.

01:32:10.160 --> 01:32:13.140
 So just a couple quick things with respect to the matrix.

01:32:13.140 --> 01:32:19.020
 So staff is working on programming, and when I say staff, Haley really is carrying the

01:32:19.020 --> 01:32:23.680
 lion's share on this, but is working with various teams so that we can start programming

01:32:23.680 --> 01:32:26.640
 responses to the items that have been on your matrix.

01:32:26.640 --> 01:32:29.880
 As you know, we've been really busy with the area plans and all of our public engagement

01:32:29.880 --> 01:32:34.580
 efforts, but that's no good excuse, in my opinion.

01:32:34.580 --> 01:32:35.920
 We do need to bring these items back.

01:32:35.920 --> 01:32:40.280
 So you will start seeing us bringing some of these items back on your agenda, and we're

01:32:40.280 --> 01:32:45.520
 coordinating with the various supporting staff who will be providing those updates to the

01:32:45.520 --> 01:32:46.520
 commission.

01:32:46.520 --> 01:32:47.520
 So know that that's forthcoming.

01:32:47.520 --> 01:32:50.080
 You probably noticed we have vacant seat.

01:32:50.080 --> 01:32:53.760
 Just wanted to thank Commissioner Anderson for his service on the Planning and Zoning

01:32:53.760 --> 01:32:55.720
 Commission.

01:32:55.720 --> 01:33:00.520
 Also giving council's action some items that I know you all will be interested in.

01:33:00.520 --> 01:33:03.680
 We've done some amendments here to the Debt and Development Code, of which you all have

01:33:03.680 --> 01:33:07.140
 seen since they were presented as zoning cases.

01:33:07.140 --> 01:33:11.460
 Having preliminary plots optional, that was approved by city council.

01:33:11.460 --> 01:33:16.000
 Keep in mind, we will still have some projects, like projects that are within the Hunter and

01:33:16.000 --> 01:33:20.520
 Cole MPCs, because of the way their zoning ordinances are structured.

01:33:20.520 --> 01:33:24.560
 The preliminary plots are still a requirement of that, but otherwise, you'll start seeing

01:33:24.560 --> 01:33:28.080
 fewer preliminary plots on your agenda as a result of the amendment that we made at

01:33:28.080 --> 01:33:30.360
 least to the Debt and Development Code.

01:33:30.360 --> 01:33:33.760
 The agriculture and animal-related uses, I know Angie worked hard on that.

01:33:33.760 --> 01:33:39.800
 Those were also approved by council, and so if you recall, that one also has what we refer

01:33:39.800 --> 01:33:43.680
 to as 11 or 12 items of dangerous things that are provided for in the state statute.

01:33:43.680 --> 01:33:50.020
 So we'll continue to monitor uses that would need to be addressed with that, but also once

01:33:50.020 --> 01:33:55.120
 that Texas A&M AgriLife Extension Service Manual is published, then we'll make sure

01:33:55.120 --> 01:33:58.680
 that we review our regulations in accordance with that to see if there's any adjustments

01:33:58.680 --> 01:34:00.680
 we need to make.

01:34:00.680 --> 01:34:04.860
 Animal accommodations, I know Julie worked hard on this with group homes, community homes

01:34:04.860 --> 01:34:05.860
 as well.

01:34:05.860 --> 01:34:11.880
 That was approved just last night at the city council, so that is a significant improvement

01:34:11.880 --> 01:34:17.420
 to our Debt and Development Code, so was glad to see that that was also able to be approved.

01:34:17.420 --> 01:34:21.040
 Other items that were approved also were the alternative ESA plan for Cyrene at Hickory

01:34:21.040 --> 01:34:22.040
 Creek.

01:34:22.040 --> 01:34:24.920
 If you recall, they were making the adjustment in order to be able to accommodate the drainage

01:34:24.920 --> 01:34:27.760
 improvements associated with that project.

01:34:27.760 --> 01:34:30.320
 So that takes care of those items.

01:34:30.320 --> 01:34:34.160
 With respect to the area plans, great presentation by the team this evening on downtown, so I

01:34:34.160 --> 01:34:37.880
 won't address that since you got a thorough update there.

01:34:37.880 --> 01:34:43.200
 Southeast, we will be doing some visual preference intercept surveys for the community in late

01:34:43.200 --> 01:34:44.280
 October.

01:34:44.280 --> 01:34:50.480
 So we'll do a social media and flyer advertising push to let folks know of that.

01:34:50.480 --> 01:34:55.280
 Those intercept surveys will likely be happening the last two weeks in October, so stay tuned

01:34:55.280 --> 01:34:57.400
 for more information on that.

01:34:57.400 --> 01:35:04.920
 And then also with northeast end area plan, we will be, we're working on revising our

01:35:04.920 --> 01:35:07.560
 project schedule and some of the meeting dates.

01:35:07.560 --> 01:35:11.760
 I know we've had some inquiries on that, so just wanted to make sure I address that here.

01:35:11.760 --> 01:35:15.820
 But once we get that all solidified and confirm some of the dates, then we will start making

01:35:15.820 --> 01:35:17.720
 sure that we get that information published.

01:35:17.720 --> 01:35:21.500
 I know we have several residents within the community that are interested in that.

01:35:21.500 --> 01:35:25.040
 That will include dates that we've identified for Planning and Zoning Commission as well

01:35:25.040 --> 01:35:31.400
 as City Council, the online survey, the community open house/workshop, and then also there's

01:35:31.400 --> 01:35:33.680
 a third steering committee.

01:35:33.680 --> 01:35:39.480
 And then we would also have subsequent PNZ and council meetings that we can start identifying.

01:35:39.480 --> 01:35:46.040
 Know that in all likelihood because of how our commission and council schedules are presenting

01:35:46.040 --> 01:35:51.280
 themselves and then also some other work priorities and staff availability, we will likely have

01:35:51.280 --> 01:35:54.120
 a special called meeting for the Planning and Zoning Commission.

01:35:54.120 --> 01:35:58.680
 I think we're looking at possibly November 1st, but we'll definitely, once we get our

01:35:58.680 --> 01:36:02.440
 dates confirmed, we'll definitely be looking for the email from Kathy.

01:36:02.440 --> 01:36:05.560
 She'll get that sent out to you all so we can confirm that we've got quorum for that

01:36:05.560 --> 01:36:06.560
 as well.

01:36:06.560 --> 01:36:11.120
 So a few moving parts, but again, once we get some of our other dates confirmed, then

01:36:11.120 --> 01:36:16.020
 we can start making things a little bit more firm and getting that information communicated

01:36:16.020 --> 01:36:19.840
 out not only to you all as commissioners, but also we'll make that information available

01:36:19.840 --> 01:36:24.200
 and discuss it and of course we'll communicate that out to our steering committee as well.

01:36:24.200 --> 01:36:30.280
 So that's just a quick update with Northeast and otherwise, that concludes my report.

01:36:30.280 --> 01:36:32.920
 So thank you.

01:36:32.920 --> 01:36:33.920
 Anybody from the commission?

01:36:33.920 --> 01:36:35.480
 Anything you want to add to the matrix?

01:36:35.480 --> 01:36:40.880
 I want to second Tina's thoughts and say thank you to Ronnie Anderson for his service and

01:36:40.880 --> 01:36:41.880
 his time.

01:36:41.880 --> 01:36:42.880
 He's been greatly appreciated.

01:36:42.880 --> 01:36:46.760
 So okay, with that, we'll move on to concluding items.

01:36:46.760 --> 01:36:52.240
 Anything I'll add in on concluding items, myself will just be, we were asked by Ryan

01:36:52.240 --> 01:36:58.620
 Cotton to say that if anybody who's listening out there is or has any desire to be filmed

01:36:58.620 --> 01:37:05.480
 by DTV for setting up their Halloween decorations, they would like to have you featured on the

01:37:05.480 --> 01:37:08.280
 widely viewed and watched DTV.

01:37:08.280 --> 01:37:18.080
 You can contact Ryan Cotton, Ryan, ryan.cotton, c-o-t-t-e-n at cityofdenton.com to do so.

01:37:18.080 --> 01:37:19.320
 So Commissioner Pruitt.

01:37:19.320 --> 01:37:20.520
 Thank you, Chair.

01:37:20.520 --> 01:37:27.720
 Yeah, I just wanted to give a plug to the combined city block party national night out

01:37:27.720 --> 01:37:33.000
 kickoff tomorrow night, as well as they're pulling in, the city is pulling in the state

01:37:33.000 --> 01:37:39.300
 of the city event that they usually do in the late winter, I don't know what seasons

01:37:39.300 --> 01:37:43.240
 are here, but and really just wanted to thank staff.

01:37:43.240 --> 01:37:49.420
 I think that's an excellent way to combine two events in a way that gets a broader cross

01:37:49.420 --> 01:37:58.280
 section of Denton residents that love our town in proximity to some of our city departments

01:37:58.280 --> 01:38:00.280
 so they can learn more about how things run.

01:38:00.280 --> 01:38:06.120
 I don't know if planning staff had any influence on that, but I see it as a positive move forward

01:38:06.120 --> 01:38:10.000
 that that we've learned from some of our area plans in how to do that reach out.

01:38:10.000 --> 01:38:12.040
 So thank you.

01:38:12.040 --> 01:38:14.760
 Okay, see nothing else.

01:38:14.760 --> 01:38:16.400
 I'll go ahead and adjourn our meeting at 717.

01:38:16.400 --> 01:38:17.520
 Thank you all very much.