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 Good evening and welcome to the work session for the Planning and Zoning Commission for

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 September 27th.

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 My name is Tim Smith, I'm the Vice Chair and I'll be calling meeting to order at 502.

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 Let the record stand that Commissioner or Chair Ellis will be absent tonight.

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 So with that said, we'll move forward to our work session item.

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 I don't think we have any citizens here to comment on consent agenda items.

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 So we will move forward.

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 It's a clarification of agenda items listed on the agenda for this meeting.

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 Starting with the consent agenda, do any commissioners have any questions for consent agenda items?

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 Okay, seeing none, we'll move forward to items for individual consideration starting with

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 FP23-0022B.

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 There was a late email that was sent in, this is presented by Julie, changing this to approval

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 without conditions.

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 Does Julie have a presentation, anything you want to talk about there?

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 I do, let me pull this up.

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 Good evening, Julie Wyatt.

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 This is FP23-0022B, this is phase two of Townsend Green, I know you all have seen this a couple

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 of times before.

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 Single family residential development on the south side of McKinney.

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 Phase one is currently under construction and they are proposing phase two.

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 If you recall your last meeting, you approved this with a condition regarding a development

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 agreement associated with the park property that's going to be dedicated on the south

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 side of the tract.

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 That was approved by council last night, so that removes the condition, satisfies it,

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 and staff has changed the recommendation to approval without any conditions.

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 I'll be happy to answer any questions.

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 Any questions for Julie?

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 I'm just curious, I know McKinney Street, I'm not familiar with the other, Peterson

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 Creekway, where exactly is this located?

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 It is actually, it's east of Ryan High School, it's as you're going toward the lake.

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 All righty, thank you very much.

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 Any other questions for Julie?

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 All righty, Julie, the next one is yours, FP23-0016B, Riney Elementary.

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 All right, so this is a final plat for Riney Elementary.

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 It is located on the north side of town, kind of northwest off of Bonnie Bray and south of

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 They have satisfied all of the requirements for the final plat, but they still have a

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 couple of items related to their civil engineering plans.

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 That's not gonna change the easements on the property or the boundaries of the property,

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 it's just working through a little outfall structure, a couple of things.

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 So staff is recommending approval of this plat with a condition that the civil engineering

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 plans need to be approved before final, final approval.

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 Okay, any questions for Julie on this one?

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 Commissioner Pruitt? Just to be a little bit new vocabulary, could you define outfall structure?

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 That's just one I haven't heard before.

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 It is the structure, and I'm gonna use layman's terms here, but it's the structure that kind

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 of bridges that detention pond to our sewer system and kind of slows that water.

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 My understanding.

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 It's an improvement associated with drainage, so storm sewer, not sanitary.

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 Oh, did I say sanitary?

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 You just said sewer in general, so I wanted to make sure we were talking about that.

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 I was kind of scratching my head, too.

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 I was like, "Oh, didn't know."

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 I know, right?

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 I wanted to make sure I said that was...

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 Was it 1604?

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 Got it.

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 Okay, any other questions for Julie?

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 Okay, seeing none, we'll keep on moving along with the Julie Train FP23-0024 Oak Vista.

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 So, this is another single family residence, or I'm sorry, it is a duplex development that

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 It is located south of McKinney, west of Loop 288, kind of between the future Dutchess Extension

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 They have a preliminary plat approved.

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 They are now moving forward to the final plat stage.

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 They do have some things that they need to correct in order to meet all of our requirements

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 so staff is recommending denial.

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 However, we have no objection to their requested extension to October 25th, and I'll be happy

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 Batten Cleanup is Mia Hines with FP23-0025.

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 It's not the first time that was said, Batten Cleanup.

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 No, Mia Hines, Associate Planner.

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 This is a final plat for Golden Point Industrial.

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 One of the things that they need to fix on themselves is their name.

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 Among other things, that this is not ready for staff's recommendation of approval.

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 It doesn't meet our criteria for approval, but we have no objection to the requested

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 extension which could be granted to October 25th, 2023.

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 I'm Aaron Binion with DME Engineering, and here to talk a little bit about street light

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 DME was tasked with reviewing that recently to see, basically to check on some compliance

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 issues, we were notified by citizens that had caught that some of our lights were in

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 our Acorn post-top style lights do not meet requirement C, as shown here.

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 the City Council to select a light that does meet that requirement for residential developments,

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 that that last requirement simply refer to the new street light criteria manual instead.

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 Good evening again, Mia Hines, Associate Planner, just a quick summary, I have a full presentation

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 that I'm prepared to present in the regular session, but a quick summary.

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 This is a request for an SUP for a multifamily building located on an MN property or proposed

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 on an MN property, exceeding the height, exceeding 41 feet in height, essentially.

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 The maximum building height within the MN district is actually 65 feet, but when it's

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 The request is consistent with our criteria for approval, as well as our future land use

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 map, so staff is recommending approval, and I did get a clarified version of their site

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 plan, which shows direct connections directly to Stewart Road from the building, and we'll

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 With that, that concludes all of our agenda review items we have for tonight.

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 Moving us to work session reports.

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 We do, we are making a change to the work session reports in order.

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 We will be addressing 3B first and then 3A second, so starting with 3B, PZ23-191, report

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 and whole discussion regarding the design downtown Denton plan.

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 Good evening, everyone.

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 Cameron Robertson, Historic Preservation Officer.

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 And with me, I have Sean Jacobson, Associate Planner.

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 And we are really excited to be here with y'all tonight.

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 We are going to just start to give you all kind of that insight into the design downtown

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 So the first kind of topics that we're going to be running through, as I say, is that project

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 So starting off with our city of Denton team, we have Tina Fergens, our planning director,

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 Gary Packin, who is our parks director, myself as the project manager, Sean Jacobson as the

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 deputy project manager, and then Wayne Emerson, unfortunately, has left for the town of Addison

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 So our consultant, absolutely wonderful consultant that we have here is Men Collaborative.

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 They are based both in Minneapolis and Austin, Texas.

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 Todd Austin is one of the associate planners.

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 Michelle Bright, she's the principal in charge.

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 We also have Sandy Molnars-Kolmstok.

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 Town Park new plan.

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 But in addition to the Men Collaborative team, we do have additional members.

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 key areas that we're focusing on here in downtown.

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 William Fulton Group, which is focused on economic development.

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 Nelson Nygaard, which is looking more at that parking, mobility, that multimodal transportation

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 that we need downtown.

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 on this design downtown Denton plan is we really need to update our master plan that

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 was done in 2002.

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 It's been over 20 years.

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 And we need to kind of figure out what our different priorities are for the downtown

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 So it's going to be looking at open space.

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 It's going to be looking at mobility, new housing, affordable housing, preservation,

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 as I stated, and connectivity to the surrounding areas and within downtown itself.

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 So as the purpose is stated, we have that existing downtown plan.

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 We have to respond to those development interests, especially to the south, where we're coming

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 out of the floodplain along Elm and Locust.

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 We really want to position downtown for long-term success.

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 This is going to really guide how downtown develops over the next 20 years.

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 So we want to do it right.

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 We're also addressing how downtown influences those nearby neighborhoods, as I stated.

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 How is it going to be utilized?

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 We have so many festivals here held all year round.

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 Is it being used to the best of its capability, but also incorporating that history of Quaker

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 Town Park, the O'Neill structures, and seeing where we find that balance.

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 So this is our study area.

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 As you can see, we don't have a boundary right now.

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 As I talked about, we have that connectivity.

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 We're really trying to figure out where downtown connects to those neighboring communities,

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 both to the west-- those are historic districts, UNT campus, TWU to the north, northeast, and

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 then southeastern to the southeast.

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 So there's no set boundaries for this as of right now.

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 But right now, we do have it highlighted by that darker brown of what we think it might

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 But I wanted to state that compared to the other area plans that you've seen, you've

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 Right now, we don't know, because downtown connects to so many different areas.

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 And it does have that impact on other areas.

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 The project brand, as you guys got the stickers, we're really excited.

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 We designed Downtown Denton.

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 And we really felt that downtown is great.

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 When you talk to citizens of Denton, people love downtown.

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 They want to see it thrive.

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 So we have a good foundation.

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 But how do we design it in such a way that it becomes better?

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 So in this design itself, this highlights our five key areas, which I'm going to touch

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 But we did have a local artist who did this and was commissioned, Jude Landry.

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 I'm excited about this.

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 The consultant's proud of it.

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 We're proud of it.

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 And hopefully, you guys put that on a water bottle.

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 I put it on my car already.

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 So hopefully, you're excited.

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 So the project branding, as I stated, these are split into five key categories.

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 So those are really the main focus areas that we want to focus on in our design downtown

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 So this gives a little bit more detail that development and small businesses really preserving

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 what we have now and growing on those small businesses and giving other people opportunities

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 to start new enterprises if they want.

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 In terms of mobility, looking at walkability, but also multimodal, whether that includes

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 bikes, transit, trains, buses, cars, as you can see.

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 As we know, arts and culture is huge here.

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 We have the Arts and Jazz Fest.

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 We have the Blues Festival that was here this past weekend.

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 We have Dan Silverleaf, we have Rubber Gloves, we have a bunch of different businesses that

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 And then historic preservation, obviously dear to my heart.

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 How do we preserve those historical assets, but also build on that?

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 How do we do infill properly?

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 How do we look at the urban design aspects?

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 How do we start to tell the story of Denton and where it started and where it all began?

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 And then lastly, our parks and public spaces.

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 Finding a fresh new look for Quaker Town Park, whether that is just adding new trails, adding

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 new bridges, more connectivity, but also looking at adding additional parks in downtown, along

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 Elm and Locust to the south or maybe it's to the north, finding pocket park areas options.

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 So really starting to think of what does downtown need and what does it need in the future?

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 And with that, I'm going to hand it over to Sean.

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 He's going to be covering our schedule and going a little bit more in depth into our different

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 Just first off, I love a lot of what you're saying and it's great to see that historic

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 preservation is such a key part of y'all's platform.

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 Just a quick question on the philosophy of the map being kind of nebulous.

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 I do have just slight concerns when it comes to Southeast Denton.

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 Maybe if we do want to set some delineated lines between downtown Denton and Southeast

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 Denton, just to make sure everyone feels as if their opinions are being included and we're

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 not trying to step over the Southeast Denton toes and all that good stuff.

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 No, of course.

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 And as you can see, it's kind of delineated right now along South Bell Avenue.

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 And that was actually due to feedback that we received during that Southeast Denton visioning

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 workshop that was held a couple of weeks ago by Julie and Mia.

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 So that's kind of where we're starting because that's what the community considered to be

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 the boundary of Southeast Denton.

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 Great.

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 Thank you.

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 Of course.

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 One just, you know, I think we've been hearing this for a while of we're doing a downtown

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 area plan.

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 And I know it's designed, designed downtown, right?

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 Designed downtown Denton.

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 Sorry, I didn't want to script your grade branding that you got going on.

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 When are we drawing borders?

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 Because we've been talking about it as kind of like, we don't have borders for this yet.

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 We don't have borders for this yet.

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 We don't have borders for this yet.

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 At some point in time, we have to, we have to draw a line in the sand with a terrible

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 So yeah.

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 I don't want to take that.

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 Sure.

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 So great question.

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 You know, part of, part of how we determine project area is through our public engagement

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 And so I think Sean's going to talk about all of our public engagement associated with

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 this project.

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 But to Cameron's point earlier, you know, with this project happening simultaneously

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 from the Southeast Denton community is really what do they consider Southeast Denton?

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 Over time, it's possible we may draw more defined boundaries associated with downtown,

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 but also, you know, downtown's the core of the city in many respects and serves many

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 of the surrounding neighborhoods.

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 And one of the things we actually talked about with the Southeast Denton Steering Committee

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 is can downtown provide opportunities for residents within Southeast Denton?

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 And I would say can downtown provide opportunities for residents within all of the other surrounding

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 You know, one of the key things is we want to make sure that all areas of our community

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 And especially when you have two areas that are near each other or next to each other,

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 then we want both areas to be successful and how can they support?

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 but also as this project, then that may help crystallize that area for both even more.

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 We also might find that through the public engagement efforts that there are some areas

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 that might be viewed as being shared between the two, but we don't know that yet.

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 So we'll keep you updated as we continue to work on both projects.

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 Great.

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 Thank you, Tina.

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 All right, Sean.

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 All right.

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 Fantastic.

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 And just to that point, yeah, we are, as much as we are really moving along, we're actually

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 still in phase one, we are very focused on gathering that data and feedback that will

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 help to inform what's coming later, which at the end of that phase one will be what

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 we call a case for action, which will be basically laying out what is the current state of downtown

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 that necessitates some new ideas and what are the great things that we want to keep.

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 But we have to really do a good job of gathering our information, our data first.

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 But actually, prior to even phase one, we had a phase zero where we brought our consultants

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 get a feel for what things are wonderful and what things could need some work.

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 You know, if you've heard people talk about sidewalks that are difficult, we made them

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 walk over some tough areas to make the point like, hey, this can be better, this can be

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 great.

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 And their response was, wow, Denton really loves Denton.

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 You guys are at a point where a lot of places, we have to still get cities to there where

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 they actually care about their downtown.

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 Your downtown cares about it already.

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 So they were very, they gave us kudos in terms of where we are already, gives us great foundation

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 We are now in the midst of phase one and you'll see those are not stock photos.

484
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 Those are real photos of engagement we've been doing over the last few weeks here.

485
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:58,340
 We're out at arts and autos, we were out at Blues Fest, we were at parking day, really

486
00:28:58,340 --> 00:29:01,840
 asking people, Denton, what do you love about downtown?

487
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:02,880
 What does downtown need?

488
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,640
 And even giving people a chance to put pins on a board to say, hey, I love this thing

489
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:08,640
 here.

490
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:09,640
 Don't mess with that.

491
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,640
 Or, hey, I have a great idea for this area or I have a concern about this area.

492
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,080
 Really getting some fantastic feedback.

493
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,500
 And again, that goes to understanding the needs in the area and helping to build that

494
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:22,840
 case for action for the future so that we can lay out a vision that we know actually

495
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,280
 reflects what the people of Denton consider important and what they need and not, you

496
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,080
 know, what we think or what the consultants think.

497
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,280
 Part of that, as you'll see there, what we call pop-up events, so that's being at arts

498
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:38,400
 and jazz, that's being at arts and autos, other events, we'll talk about coming up soon,

499
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:45,320
 but also, crucially, we have an online survey that is online now and that QR code on the

500
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:46,840
 coaster in front of you will get you there.

501
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:47,840
 That is really important.

502
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,440
 We want to hear from as many folks in Denton as possible.

503
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,240
 They can go on there and, again, talk about what they love about downtown, what it needs,

504
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,240
 give their ideas.

505
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,400
 There's even a photo contest as part of that.

506
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,120
 You can take a picture of downtown, people can vote on that, but we really, really want

507
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:05,540
 to get good engagement on that so that our case for action truly reflects the breadth

508
00:30:05,540 --> 00:30:10,180
 of the ideas and thoughts of our Denton residents.

509
00:30:10,180 --> 00:30:14,000
 So just note here, we had our first advisory group meeting.

510
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:20,840
 We have a fantastic team of 20 folks representing stakeholder groups across downtown.

511
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:25,000
 They were able to kind of get the full presentation and begin to give their feedback to the consultants

512
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,240
 and they'll be involved throughout this process, helping to connect with the community, make

513
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,880
 sure that what we're thinking is going out to the community and that the thoughts of

514
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,200
 the community are coming back to us through them.

515
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,280
 And then, as we noted, Parking Day, Blues Fest, got a ton of great engagement on us.

516
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:45,280
 It was really cool to hear from families, residents across the board.

517
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,240
 So with that, I'm going to hand things back to Cameron to talk about some of the public

518
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:53,720
 engagement we have coming up.

519
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:59,520
 So as Sean stated, we're doing a lot of public engagement, including our artwork that was

520
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,080
 done by Jude Landry.

521
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:06,560
 We also have the funds and the means to connect with other local artists as we move along

522
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:12,640
 through these phases to really engage that local economy and get people.

523
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,520
 Downtown as Sean was saying, downtown is so vibrant.

524
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:22,000
 We have a lot of artisans amongst us and it's something that we really want to highlight

525
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,040
 with this downtown plan.

526
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,120
 Also, as a QR code, we have that online social platform.

527
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,880
 So as Sean said, definitely use it, share it with family, share it with friends, share

528
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,160
 it with colleagues.

529
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:40,000
 The more feedback we get, the better, not only for the consultant to produce great policies

530
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,080
 and goals, but it will be what the community wants.

531
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,800
 We have been doing door-to-door business surveys.

532
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:53,640
 We've been going to business owners thus far and surveying why they want to be in downtown,

533
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:58,880
 what they like about it, if they're willing to assist with future marketing.

534
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,800
 And those have been really good feedback thus far.

535
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:02,800
 Sean's been great.

536
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,400
 He's been coordinating a lot of that.

537
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,200
 As we stated, our community workshops.

538
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,000
 We have community workshops coming up, which we'll talk about a little bit later.

539
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,440
 But those are really going to be engaging the community in person so they can talk with

540
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,320
 the staff, talk with the consultant, and really voice their opinions and what they really

541
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,100
 want to see in the future in downtown.

542
00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:24,720
 Those pop-ups and speak-outs that Sean was talking about.

543
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,720
 Also, stakeholder interviews and focus groups.

544
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:33,080
 We did have some initial stakeholder interviews when they officially kicked off in July.

545
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,520
 But also, we have focus groups coming up here in the future, one of which is going to be

546
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,380
 the descendants of our-- the descendants of Quaker Town residents.

547
00:32:41,380 --> 00:32:45,280
 So that's going to be one of the focus groups that we really want to have that community

548
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:50,400
 engaged so that we can get feedback on what Quaker Town parks should be in the future.

549
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:55,520
 And then that advisory group team that Sean was talking about.

550
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,160
 So online survey and advertising materials.

551
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,200
 I know we are drilling this in so much, and you probably don't want to hear it.

552
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,000
 But it is such a great resource.

553
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,640
 We really just, like we said, really just share it.

554
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:10,640
 It's really fun.

555
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:11,680
 It's super interactive.

556
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,640
 There is a photo competition.

557
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:19,640
 You can get a $25 gift card to a local retail store if you win that photo competition.

558
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:25,720
 But if you're in and around downtown, you'll see coasters out at different restaurants

559
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,280
 and bars and even some shops.

560
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,440
 You'll start to see posters out and about.

561
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,720
 We have the stickers that are out.

562
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,280
 Sean and I just spent about two hours today putting up one sign.

563
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,680
 So you'll see those around downtown now as well when you're walking down the sidewalk.

564
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,200
 But we really, really, really want y'all's feedback.

565
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:52,640
 It's very important and it's vital to the success of this plan.

566
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,600
 Some of the upcoming phase one steps that we're doing.

567
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,820
 We have our Quaker Town Park Visioning Workshop.

568
00:33:57,820 --> 00:34:03,580
 So that is going to be held during Arts and Jazz Fest on Saturday, October 7th.

569
00:34:03,580 --> 00:34:06,320
 So next weekend, there's going to be three different booths.

570
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,680
 It's going to be set up on the -- what side of the park?

571
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:15,560
 It'll be the Tim Powers UNT stage adjacent to the Senior Center.

572
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,720
 There we go.

573
00:34:17,720 --> 00:34:22,920
 So staff will be -- and the consultant will be out there from 9 a.m. till 9 p.m.

574
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,840
 So definitely stop by.

575
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:25,840
 Give us your feedback.

576
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:26,840
 Give us your thoughts.

577
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,240
 And there's going to be a lot of great kids activities.

578
00:34:29,240 --> 00:34:33,760
 So if you have little kids with you, they will be very focused on that while you can

579
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,860
 give us your feedback.

580
00:34:35,860 --> 00:34:38,720
 We're also going to be doing additional community surveys.

581
00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:43,440
 So currently the website does have those surveys of what you want in downtown, what you love

582
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:44,960
 about downtown.

583
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,680
 But there are going to be additional surveys being added to that over time.

584
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,520
 As Sean said, we are going to have continuous public engagement.

585
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,020
 You'll see us out at Twilight Tunes.

586
00:34:55,020 --> 00:34:58,040
 You're going to see us at Wausle Weekend.

587
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,760
 We're starting to look at certain speak out events that we want to be a part of so we

588
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,380
 can really have those more formal conversations with members of the public.

589
00:35:06,380 --> 00:35:10,280
 Our second advisory group meeting, that's going to be held in late November.

590
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,860
 And then our downtown visioning workshop, which will include a bit about Quaker Town

591
00:35:13,860 --> 00:35:22,200
 as well, will be in early December, Monday, December 4th is when it's planned for.

592
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,920
 So we're really looking forward to that as well.

593
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,520
 But that is all we have to share.

594
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,560
 If you guys have any questions.

595
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,640
 Commissioner Cole.

596
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,280
 Thank you, Vice Chair.

597
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:42,420
 Four years ago, we created what was called the downtown development district, right?

598
00:35:42,420 --> 00:35:43,680
 Is this new thing?

599
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:44,680
 Yeah.

600
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,740
 It was just downtown centric though, just the square.

601
00:35:46,740 --> 00:35:52,880
 Is this going to take place of that or is that still going to be in place?

602
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:58,360
 So there is the downtown PID, the Public Improvement District, so that's still in place.

603
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,760
 And it's a TIF district, if you will, tax increment financing zone.

604
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,680
 So that's still in place.

605
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,760
 And I know, I think council had conversations with our economic development team earlier

606
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,400
 this summer about whether or not the boundaries of that should be expanded.

607
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:19,120
 Keep in mind, that is a financial mechanism tool to be able to help with doing some of

608
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,360
 the improvements within downtown.

609
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,320
 There's some flexibility can be used also, I think, for some economic development opportunities.

610
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:32,960
 But it is one of the tools that we, the city, have in order to be able to implement items

611
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,920
 that could come out of our updated downtown plan.

612
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,320
 We're talking about two different things.

613
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,680
 I'm talking about where we restricted the heights to two stories.

614
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:42,680
 The square district.

615
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:43,680
 The square district.

616
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:44,680
 Oh, the square district.

617
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:45,680
 Yeah.

618
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,440
 So is this going to replace that?

619
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,320
 No, this isn't going to replace that.

620
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:50,800
 This is just going to be in addition.

621
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:51,800
 Okay.

622
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:52,800
 In addition to.

623
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:53,800
 Okay.

624
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:54,800
 Thank you.

625
00:36:54,800 --> 00:37:01,240
 So once we finish this master planning effort, right, to update the downtown plan, it could

626
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:05,560
 have recommendations or recommended action items included as part of it, right?

627
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,680
 So like all three of these plans we're working on, we talk about the implementation action

628
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:09,680
 items.

629
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,640
 So this project will have that as well.

630
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:16,000
 But one of the action items coming out of this particular project could be to modify

631
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,600
 some of the zoning in downtown.

632
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,240
 And so, or make certain refinements to existing zoning district.

633
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,360
 And remember, because zoning is one of the tools that cities have in order to be able

634
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:32,600
 to implement some of the action items that come about as a result of master plan efforts.

635
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:37,520
 And I will say actually our folks with post stroke are specifically reviewing the Denton

636
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,320
 square district and with the desire to look at, Hey, are there additional helpful standards

637
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,040
 we can add to that ways we could refine that.

638
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,840
 So they're specifically reviewing that to give those recommendations.

639
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,400
 Thank you.

640
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:53,440
 If I could add one thing, I believe it was Cameron's portion of the presentation.

641
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,240
 She talked about Quaker Town Park.

642
00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:59,200
 So one of the unique components associated with this master plan that we're working on

643
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:04,680
 is truly a master plan for Quaker Town Park and coming up with a concept for the Quaker

644
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:05,680
 Town Park.

645
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:10,280
 It'll take into consideration the existing historic assets that are there, but also the

646
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,600
 needs of the park and how the park is used.

647
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:18,600
 So one of the things that will come about associated with this is a fairly well refined

648
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:23,880
 concept plan for the park to be able to help support our parks department in especially

649
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,920
 some of the events that they have in addition to how do we address the events of Quaker

650
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,040
 Town from 100 plus years ago, right?

651
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:35,120
 So that is one unique aspect that is associated with this project.

652
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:43,080
 And then as part of our downtown master plan update efforts, then that concept plan for

653
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,600
 Quaker Town Park will then provide the foundation for the parks department to be able to move

654
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,280
 forward within doing additional improvements within the park itself.

655
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,240
 It'll have coordination with the Historic Landmark Commission because given that the

656
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:56,600
 park is designated, there's some work that we'll have to do there.

657
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:01,040
 But just know that that's, like I said, that's one of the kind of a unique aspect associated

658
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,760
 with this particular project that you're not seeing in some of the other area plan work

659
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:06,760
 that we're doing.

660
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:07,760
 Thank you, Tina.

661
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:08,760
 Commissioner Pruitt.

662
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:09,760
 Thank you, Chair.

663
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:10,760
 Or Vice Chair.

664
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:17,800
 You can just call me Tim, guys, it's all good.

665
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,120
 So I'm really excited about this.

666
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:25,860
 Thank you for all the work, it looks amazing.

667
00:39:25,860 --> 00:39:32,000
 I guess I would just like to offer my encouragement that the rest of this body be patient with

668
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,760
 the whole question of boundaries.

669
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:42,720
 The way I see it, the downtown is unique in that it's not a neighborhood that is not a

670
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:45,640
 destination for people from around the city.

671
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,280
 It's a place that is an obvious destination as well.

672
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:55,520
 And by nature of that, several of the aspects that you talked about, housing, mobility,

673
00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:04,600
 that some of -- I would envision some of the recommendations and thoughts would have implications

674
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:09,640
 outside of whatever boundaries we drew, just by nature of the type of updates and regulations

675
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:15,440
 that would be required to actualize the plans and the visions that the community reaches

676
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,000
 out with.

677
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:24,120
 And I'm also really excited that we get this in there because recent plans that we've done

678
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,240
 have been very good with identifying those action items and following through with that.

679
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:37,080
 And every time I come down here, I'm sad that we never codified the original DTIP cross

680
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,920
 street section requirements for Elm and Locust, and then tech stock came through and put in

681
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:42,640
 five foot sidewalks.

682
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:50,360
 So I'm looking forward to that, thank you.

683
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,880
 Only thing I'd add in there, can we get more of either of these?

684
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:54,880
 Yes.

685
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:55,880
 We have a lot.

686
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,080
 We don't have them with us, but we can get them for you.

687
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,080
 Okay.

688
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,080
 Great.

689
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,080
 Awesome.

690
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,080
 Love to take them.

691
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,080
 Take a whole stack of them.

692
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:05,080
 Okay.

693
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,080
 Perfect.

694
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,080
 Love to have them.

695
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,080
 So, okay.

696
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,080
 All right.

697
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,880
 Before we move on to work session item 3A, going through the street light criteria mantle,

698
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:19,120
 I want to take a recess here at 543 to allow us to go get dinner in the back.

699
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,480
 And then we will reconvene shortly.

700
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,120
 So I'll say about 10 minutes.

701
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,120
 It's 544 now.

702
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,440
 So try to be back by 555.

703
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:31,240
 We'll start eating dinner and go through the next item.

704
00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:42,520
 And for the Planning and Zoning Commission, thank you for giving us a chance to do the

705
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:43,520
 recess.

706
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:52,600
 We will continue on our meeting, reconvening at 553 p.m. with Work Session Report 3A, PZ23-186.

707
00:41:52,600 --> 00:42:00,440
 Give a report and discussion providing the City of Denton Street Light Criteria Manual

708
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:06,920
 as presented by Aaron Binion.

709
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,620
 Okay.

710
00:42:10,620 --> 00:42:20,880
 So, this will be quite similar to what you just heard before, but again, as mentioned

711
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:28,000
 before, DME's been tasked with creating a street light criteria manual in an attempt

712
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:33,280
 to help unify and standardize the requirements for street lighting in the city.

713
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:38,780
 Originally in the Denton Development Code, there was basically one line that covered

714
00:42:38,780 --> 00:42:41,880
 all street light requirements, and that's shown here.

715
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:48,680
 They should be installed at cul-de-sacs intersections and at 300-foot intervals in between.

716
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:54,000
 The Denton Development Code took that a little bit farther and provided the additional requirements

717
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,480
 that we've shown before.

718
00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:03,840
 Now, as mentioned, requirements C and D of Section 7.11.6 do cause some problems for

719
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,040
 us the way lights are currently installed right now.

720
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:12,240
 So our acorn lights don't meet the requirement of C, and pretty much all of the lights in

721
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:18,200
 the city do cast some light on adjacent properties.

722
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:25,360
 It's just part of the physics of light, and so in order to both correct that, as well

723
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:34,940
 as to provide additional direction to developers and city staff as well, we have proposed these

724
00:43:34,940 --> 00:43:41,380
 changes to the Development Code, first in Section C, that all new street lighting fixtures

725
00:43:41,380 --> 00:43:46,800
 shall be cut off, full cut off, and as mentioned before, we're working with the City Council

726
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:54,120
 to select an appropriate light that will meet that requirement, and then in Paragraph D,

727
00:43:54,120 --> 00:44:00,720
 that all other lighting requirements would be governed by a Street Light Criteria Manual.

728
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:08,040
 In developing that manual, we have chosen to follow a national standard, the ANSI Institute

729
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:17,840
 RP8, which governs street lights for roadways, as well as parking structures.

730
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:24,080
 It's a nationally recognized manual, and it is very well researched and put together,

731
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:32,400
 and so the City of Denton proposes that we apply that manual to all streets in the city

732
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,400
 and how we light them.

733
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:40,760
 Now that said, the manual provides guidance for how to light those streets with various

734
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,480
 lighting levels.

735
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:47,320
 Most of that has to be accomplished with computer software, but it does provide caveats that

736
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:54,880
 allow us to direct the placement in some situations where the speed limits are lower, and so taking

737
00:44:54,880 --> 00:45:00,400
 that into account, we've provided guidance to developers on how to implement that, how

738
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:06,320
 to present their recommendations to the city, and also in residential developments, how

739
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:11,440
 they can actually place the lights and be compliant with this national standard.

740
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:17,320
 It provides guidance on the accepted materials and lighting standards that we have.

741
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,360
 There are a myriad of light fixtures out there.

742
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:26,440
 One of the challenges that we face is that we have to be able to supply and stock and

743
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:31,960
 maintain all of these lights, and so we've really tried to focus in on a standard that

744
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:37,960
 meets the city aesthetic, something that's pleasing, but also that we can feasibly manage

745
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:43,680
 and take care of, and so this manual addresses that and provides guidance to developers on

746
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:50,360
 how the interaction takes place for installations, maintenance, and so forth.

747
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,880
 And then, of course, the manual will also incorporate this new light fixture that will

748
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,960
 be selected with council's guidance.

749
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,680
 And so, again, our recommendations are simply that the changes to the development code,

750
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:09,720
 paragraph C and D, be accepted, and then also that the street light criteria manual itself

751
00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:12,560
 be approved.

752
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:20,360
 That manual was provided as an -- what's the word -- attachment, thank you -- as an attachment

753
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:25,080
 to the AIS, and so should be available to all of you if you have any questions about

754
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:26,080
 that.

755
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:31,600
 And with that, I open it up for questions.

756
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,160
 >> Any questions for Aaron?

757
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,400
 Commissioner Pruitt?

758
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,480
 >> Thank you, Vice Chair.

759
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,800
 Acting.

760
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:45,800
 Great work.

761
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:46,800
 Looks great.

762
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:52,160
 I did have one question just on the applicability of this, or if it's a different tool that

763
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:53,520
 we need to look toward.

764
00:46:53,520 --> 00:47:00,920
 I noticed that in the placement section, there's recommendations of placing, you know, on one

765
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,720
 side or the other side of the sidewalk and that sort of thing.

766
00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:11,120
 We've had several developments in the last five-plus years where the placement of poles

767
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:17,300
 has either been inside the sidewalk or guy wires into the sidewalk chipped out or something

768
00:47:17,300 --> 00:47:18,300
 like that.

769
00:47:18,300 --> 00:47:26,080
 I'm thinking about that Fire Star or something west of Hinkle, south of North Lakes Park

770
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:27,080
 area.

771
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,080
 >> Park area.

772
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,920
 >> Fireside, thank you.

773
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:37,320
 Does this help us clean that up because the street lighting plan is kind of the first

774
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:44,480
 plan of where are we going to put the poles, or are those situations handled by some other

775
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:45,480
 process?

776
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:53,560
 >> So ideally, the street lighting plan is addressed during the development review process.

777
00:47:53,560 --> 00:48:00,300
 DME has representatives in that group, and so as they're laying out their electrical,

778
00:48:00,300 --> 00:48:04,360
 one of the things that comes up is, well, how do we serve the street lights?

779
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:10,760
 And so in theory, everything's in theory, right, until we -- but in theory, those discussions

780
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:16,720
 will have taken place during the development review process, and the developer will understand

781
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:21,880
 their responsibilities to provide the civil work, to lay out where the conduit will go,

782
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,040
 where the street lights will need to be.

783
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:28,720
 This guide helps them understand that beforehand, and we can point them to that in terms of

784
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:32,520
 placement requirements and where street lights are expected.

785
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:37,340
 And then working with DME's representative on the development review committee, they'll

786
00:48:37,340 --> 00:48:43,280
 be able to point out, you know, DME can serve this this way, here's where our wires are

787
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,280
 at, and so it makes sense to put the lights on this side of the street.

788
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,560
 You're going to want them behind the sidewalks over here.

789
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,560
 So again, in theory, it should alleviate that moving forward.

790
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:55,560
 >> Okay.

791
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:56,560
 Thank you.

792
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,560
 >> Any other questions for Erin?

793
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:04,480
 >> If I could just add one thing, so to Erin's point, I mean, the team works really hard.

794
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,600
 The development assistant team as a whole works really hard to try to prevent those

795
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,880
 kind of scenarios from happening, and I think Erin can probably attest to this, but one

796
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,680
 of the challenges is sometimes things happen out in the field.

797
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,320
 You know, we try to get it all right on the plans and have the plans perfect to address

798
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,360
 all requirements, right, but sometimes there are things that happen out in the field, and

799
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,800
 so they're having to adjust accordingly.

800
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:30,640
 I think our team works really hard to try to minimize any conflicts between, in this

801
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:36,080
 case, DME's utility poles and then also any sidewalk improvements that we do, but we do

802
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,880
 our best to try to mitigate that.

803
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:44,560
 >> Any other questions?

804
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:50,880
 So essentially, materially, the criteria manual, the street lighting criteria manual is just

805
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:56,440
 going to assist with cleaning up and codifying a little bit more of the development and planning

806
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,800
 process for street lighting, whereas before it's been a little bit, not going to say it's

807
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:08,000
 been loosey goosey, but it's been a little bit case by case, and we will build the street

808
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,640
 lighting plans as we go rather than being able to give criteria for what should be in

809
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:17,760
 your plan, develop it around your specific property, come with it at the development

810
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:23,240
 meeting process, and then it won't even be an issue, we just got to tell DME where we

811
00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:24,240
 got to connect.

812
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:25,240
 >> Exactly.

813
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:26,240
 >> Okay.

814
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:27,240
 Understood.

815
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:28,240
 All right.

816
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:29,240
 Seeing nothing else.

817
00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:30,240
 Thank you, Aaron.

818
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:31,240
 >> Okay.

819
00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:32,240
 >> Appreciate it.

820
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:33,240
 >> Thank you.

821
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:36,640
 >> With that, that's the conclusion of our agenda for the work session items.

822
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:45,040
 I will end our meeting at 6.02, and we will reconvene in council chambers at 6.30.

823
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:52,560
 >> Good evening, and welcome to the Planning and Zoning Commission for the City of Denton,

824
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,800
 September 27th, and my name is Tim Smith, and I will go ahead and start our meeting

825
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:57,800
 tonight at 6.30.

826
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,280
 With the core in present, we will begin our agenda.

827
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,520
 First item, agenda item number one, the Pledge of Allegiance, the U.S. and Texas flag.

828
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,040
 If you're able, please stand and present with me.

829
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:15,600
 >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic

830
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:22,280
 for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for

831
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,280
 all.

832
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,480
 >> Honor the Texas flag.

833
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:33,600
 I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible.

834
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,000
 >> Thank you.

835
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:41,880
 Our second item on the agenda is PZ 23-177, the approval of the September 13th, 2023 Planning

836
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:42,880
 and Zoning minutes.

837
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,160
 I have a motion from Commissioner Villarreal.

838
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,160
 >> Move approval.

839
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:48,160
 >> Commissioner Colle?

840
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:49,160
 >> Second.

841
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:59,760
 >> With a first and a second, let's go ahead and take a vote on the board.

842
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,400
 That motion passes 5-0.

843
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,520
 Before I continue, let me go ahead and first say, let the record show that Commissioner

844
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,040
 Ellis is absent.

845
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:13,040
 Moving on to our next agenda item, agenda item number 3A, just number 3, the consent

846
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,320
 agenda.

847
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:15,520
 Do I hear a motion and a second?

848
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:16,520
 >> So moved.

849
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:17,520
 >> Commissioner Villarreal?

850
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:18,520
 Commissioner Colle?

851
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:19,520
 Or Commissioner McDade?

852
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:20,520
 I'm sorry.

853
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:21,520
 >> Second.

854
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,520
 >> With a first and a second, I hear any discussion?

855
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:37,280
 Okay, seeing none, we'll take a vote on the board.

856
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,720
 That motion passes 5-0.

857
00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:49,360
 Continuing on to agenda item number 4, beginning with item 4A, FP 23-0022B is presented, Townsend

858
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:55,280
 Green Phase 2, Julie Wyatt.

859
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,720
 >> Good evening, Julie Wyatt, principal planner.

860
00:52:57,720 --> 00:53:05,400
 This is FP 23-0022B, the Townsend Green Phase 2 final plat.

861
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,820
 This is a single family subdivision, it's the second phase of a project that is already

862
00:53:09,820 --> 00:53:11,880
 under development, the first phase.

863
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:17,800
 It's located south of McKinney on the east side of town.

864
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:23,040
 Your last planning and zoning commission meeting, it was approved with a condition that a development

865
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:29,240
 agreement associated with a park dedication would be approved by city council.

866
00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:32,920
 It was approved last night at their meeting and so all conditions have been cleared and

867
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,080
 staff recommends approval of this plat.

868
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,240
 I'll be happy to answer any questions.

869
00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:45,160
 >> Thank you, Julie, I don't see any questions from -- okay.

870
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,520
 I will take a motion and/or a second.

871
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:49,800
 Commissioner Cole?

872
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,000
 >> Make a motion to approve.

873
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,000
 >> Commissioner Pruitt?

874
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,000
 >> Second.

875
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,000
 >> Any discussion?

876
00:53:55,000 --> 00:54:03,600
 Seeing none, I call for a vote on the board.

877
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,600
 Motion carries 5-0.

878
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:12,400
 Moving on to FP 23-0016B, Riney Elementary presented by Julie Wyatt again.

879
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:13,400
 >> Hi.

880
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:19,760
 So this is a final plat for an elementary school located on the south side of Riney

881
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,100
 Road just east of Bonnie Bray.

882
00:54:23,100 --> 00:54:28,080
 Staff recommends approval of this final plat because the plat document does meet all criteria

883
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:35,240
 for approval except for one condition that we are proposing that the civil plans be unconditionally

884
00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:38,800
 approved and I will be happy to answer any questions.

885
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,440
 >> I don't see any questions, Julie.

886
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:42,440
 Thank you.

887
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:43,440
 >> Commissioner Villarreal?

888
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,400
 >> Move approval of conditions.

889
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:47,400
 >> Commissioner Cole?

890
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:48,400
 >> Second.

891
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,840
 >> With a first and a second, no discussion?

892
00:54:51,840 --> 00:55:03,000
 Okay, let's call for a vote on the board.

893
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,000
 My motion passes 5-0.

894
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:12,120
 Moving on to FP 23-0024, a new visitor to our dais, Oak Vista, Julie Wyatt.

895
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:13,900
 Last one.

896
00:55:13,900 --> 00:55:15,200
 This is Oak Vista.

897
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,600
 It is a final plat for this project.

898
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:25,400
 It's a duplex project located on the south side of McKinney west of Loop 288 between

899
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,480
 the future duchess and McKinney.

900
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,560
 They do have some things that they need to correct on the final plat in order for it

901
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,160
 to meet all those technical requirements, so staff is recommending denial.

902
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:40,120
 However, we have no objection to the requested extension to October 25th and I will be happy

903
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,280
 to answer any questions.

904
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:43,480
 >> I don't see any, Julie.

905
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:44,480
 Thank you.

906
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:45,480
 >> Thank you.

907
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:46,480
 >> Commissioner Villarreal.

908
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:54,560
 >> Move approval of the extension request to a date certain of October 25th, 2023.

909
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:55,560
 >> Commissioner Pruitt?

910
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:56,560
 >> Second.

911
00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:01,120
 >> With a first and a second, to postpone to date certain of October 25th, 2023.

912
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:02,120
 Any discussion?

913
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,920
 Okay, let's call for a vote on the board.

914
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:11,000
 Okay, that motion passes 5-0.

915
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:18,120
 We want to our last item of individual consideration, FP23-0025, as presented by Mia Hines.

916
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:22,320
 >> Good evening, Chair, members of the commission, Mia Hines, Associate Planner.

917
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:27,920
 This item is a final plat for Golden Point Industrial located just west of I-35, approximately

918
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:32,520
 2100 feet south of University, so just on the opposite side of Razor Ranch to orient

919
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:33,520
 you.

920
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,960
 At this time, the plat does not meet all of our criteria for approval, so we are recommending

921
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:38,960
 denial.

922
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,600
 However, we have no objection to the requested extension, which could be granted to October

923
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:43,600
 25th, 2023.

924
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:47,720
 And with that, I'll take any questions or comments.

925
00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:52,600
 >> I don't see any questions, Mia.

926
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,160
 Thank you.

927
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:56,160
 Commissioner Cole?

928
00:56:56,160 --> 00:57:04,520
 >> I make a motion to approve the extension to October 25th, 2023.

929
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:05,520
 >> Commissioner Villarreal?

930
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:06,520
 >> Second.

931
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:10,880
 >> With a first and a second, a motion to continue until October 25th, 2023.

932
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:11,880
 Any discussion?

933
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:20,680
 Okay, take a vote on the board.

934
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,720
 That motion passes 5-0.

935
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:30,400
 Take us on to our public hearing items of the night, start with 5A DCA 23-0008.

936
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:34,120
 Hear a discussion and make a recommendation regarding the development code amendments

937
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,360
 regarding street lighting standards code amendment, presented by Aaron Binion.

938
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:50,560
 And with that, I'll open up the public hearing.

939
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:51,560
 >> Thank you.

940
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:57,480
 I'm Aaron Binion with Dent Municipal Electric Engineering Department.

941
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:03,320
 This evening, just wanted to provide some information regarding our recommendations

942
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:07,840
 for changes to the Denton Development Code.

943
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:13,960
 As of 2020, street lights were governed by the city code of ordinances.

944
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,360
 That was moved to the Denton Development Code.

945
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:21,240
 However, it was brought to our attention that some of our existing street lights do not

946
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:25,960
 meet the Denton Development Code as it currently stands and so DME has been tasked with remedying

947
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,160
 that situation.

948
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:37,000
 In particular, section 7.11.6, item C requires street light fixtures that are full cutoff

949
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:41,520
 and designed to direct light below a 90-degree horizontal plane extending from the lowest

950
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,440
 point of the light source.

951
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,920
 In other words, there can be no up light.

952
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:50,160
 Our current Cobra Head light fixtures throughout the city meet this requirement, but the Acorn

953
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:51,600
 style do not.

954
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:56,200
 DME is working with the City Council right now to select an appropriate fixture that

955
00:58:56,200 --> 00:59:00,680
 meets the city aesthetic and also meets this requirement.

956
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:07,240
 But to enable us to move forward, we request that a change be made to this, which we'll

957
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:08,240
 address here shortly.

958
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:15,560
 And also, item D requires that the lights be constructed to minimize or eliminate the

959
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:20,140
 direct visibility of the light source so they do not cast or reflect light on adjacent property

960
00:59:20,140 --> 00:59:21,140
 areas.

961
00:59:21,140 --> 00:59:26,880
 Given that the lights are placed in the right of way just a few feet from adjacent properties,

962
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:33,120
 that's as written physically infeasible, we'll say.

963
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:38,320
 And so DME actually has been tasked with creating a criteria manual to direct placement and

964
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,240
 installation of the lights.

965
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:49,900
 And so our recommendations to these code changes are that 7.11.6C, say all new street lighting

966
00:59:49,900 --> 00:59:55,880
 fixtures, this will allow us to move forward with the appropriate street light that's been

967
00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:02,680
 selected with the direction of City Council, allow us to become compliant with this code.

968
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:09,240
 And then for section D, we would like to amend the code so that it points to this new criteria

969
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:10,240
 manual.

970
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:14,720
 This criteria manual will give direction to developers, allow them to better understand

971
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:21,400
 the requirements and the placements of street lights, hopefully again creating uniformity

972
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:26,760
 for the city and streamlining that process so that developers and the citizens better

973
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:33,320
 know what to expect in terms of street lights and also allowing us to meet national standards

974
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:39,200
 in terms of how our streets should be lit.

975
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,920
 And this slide just talks a little bit about what's contained therein.

976
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:50,640
 Again, mostly dividing up responsibilities and helping to guide developers on how street

977
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:55,100
 lights should be designed in the City of Denton.

978
01:00:55,100 --> 01:01:01,960
 And so with that, staff recommends that the amendments be accepted and approved.

979
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:02,960
 Any questions?

980
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,360
 I don't see any questions there.

981
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:07,360
 Thank you.

982
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:08,360
 Thank you.

983
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:12,160
 I don't have any cards wishing to speak on this item, but as a public hearing, so anybody

984
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:17,160
 who is wishing to do so may come forward now and then you can fill out a card afterwards.

985
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:18,160
 Okay.

986
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:24,080
 Seeing none, I'll close the public hearing and move discussion or a motion to the dais.

987
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,040
 Commissioner Villarreal.

988
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:31,720
 I move approval of the recommendation for the following development codes.

989
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:32,720
 Okay.

990
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:33,720
 Commissioner McDade?

991
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:34,720
 Second.

992
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:38,000
 With a first and a second, do we have any discussion?

993
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:39,000
 Okay.

994
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,040
 Seeing none on the board, I will move us to the board for a vote.

995
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:51,480
 The motion carries five zero.

996
01:01:51,480 --> 01:02:01,080
 Moving forward, I'll go on to 5B, S23-0002, Steward Apartments presented by Mia Hine,

997
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,720
 and I will open up the public hearing.

998
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,240
 Mia Hines, by the way, not Mia Hines.

999
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:06,240
 There's multiple Hines in this.

1000
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:07,240
 It's a good one, huh?

1001
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:08,240
 That was better.

1002
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:12,200
 Than the clean up?

1003
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,000
 Than that one, yeah.

1004
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:16,000
 I gotcha.

1005
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:17,000
 Okay.

1006
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:21,880
 Quiet of the dais, please, thank you.

1007
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:22,880
 All right.

1008
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:24,080
 Mia Hines, Associate Planner.

1009
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,560
 This item is a specific use permit for Steward Apartments.

1010
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:35,000
 The site is 2.695 acres located at the southwest corner of Loop 288 and Steward Road.

1011
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:41,480
 The current zoning is a mixed use neighborhood, which requires a maximum building height of

1012
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:47,600
 65 feet, but when the mixed use neighborhood district is adjacent to a single family residential

1013
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:55,000
 zone, or land use, anything above or between 41 feet and 65 feet requires a specific use

1014
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:59,280
 permit, and so that is why this request is before you this evening.

1015
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,400
 The multifamily use is permitted by right.

1016
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:07,360
 Again, this request is specific to the additional height within this, specific to this area.

1017
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:14,160
 Again, Loop 288 is the roadway that borders this property to the north.

1018
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:19,520
 It is a four lane or freeway with four travel lanes currently divided, and then Steward

1019
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:23,800
 Road is to the east, which is a collector with two vehicular travel lanes and an eight

1020
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:29,080
 foot wide side path on the east side adjacent to this property.

1021
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:33,880
 Beyond this property, you have adjacent single family residential uses, and then on the opposite

1022
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:39,480
 side of Steward Road is an existing multifamily development, which also came before this body

1023
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:44,520
 to request a specific use permit for additional height.

1024
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:50,600
 With this site plan, what we have are two buildings and a total of 78 multifamily dwelling

1025
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:51,600
 units.

1026
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:56,760
 One of the buildings is a three story building with a maximum building height of 40 feet.

1027
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:02,600
 The building that we are mostly focused on this evening with this request at hand is

1028
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:07,320
 a four story building with a maximum building height of 53 feet.

1029
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:13,520
 As far as total parking for this site, the applicant is proposing 146 in compliance with

1030
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:20,200
 our code, 12 bicycle spaces, which is, I think, I believe four more than what they would need

1031
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:21,760
 in our code.

1032
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:26,100
 On-site amenities include a dog park and an outdoor pool, and then off-site improvements

1033
01:04:26,100 --> 01:04:30,500
 associated with this development would be a 10 foot wide side path within Steward Road,

1034
01:04:30,500 --> 01:04:36,620
 a two way left turn lane as decided, recommended by the traffic impact analysis that was done

1035
01:04:36,620 --> 01:04:42,600
 for this site, again, within Steward Road, and then a sidewalk along loop 288 per text

1036
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:47,000
 dots review and their standards.

1037
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:50,280
 There was a question about the access directly onto Steward Road.

1038
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:56,240
 I did confirm with the applicant that there is going to be a direct access from an entrance

1039
01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:00,020
 along Steward Road for both building A and B, and I wanted to point that out.

1040
01:05:00,020 --> 01:05:01,800
 It's not shown clearly.

1041
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:09,640
 It didn't really translate between the elevations and the site plan with what was presented,

1042
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,880
 but those entrances and those connections will be made.

1043
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:18,440
 I did get an updated site plan, so that will be clearly shown with the ordinance.

1044
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:24,700
 Gable elevation, so again, this is the building A that we are mostly focused on this evening.

1045
01:05:24,700 --> 01:05:31,460
 The code for a building of this type really refers to the building height, or measures

1046
01:05:31,460 --> 01:05:35,320
 the building height at the midpoint of the highest gable of the pitched roof, so if you

1047
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:40,240
 look at the elevations, you'll see that the overall building height is just under 59 feet.

1048
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,880
 The way we usually understand building height is just under 59 feet, but because of that

1049
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:48,640
 gable roof, the maximum building height that they're requesting is actually 53 feet, and

1050
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:54,200
 they can't go above that maximum building height.

1051
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,960
 That just shows what I was pointing out.

1052
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:01,600
 The applicant also did include some architectural renderings just to show basically from the

1053
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:05,320
 adjacent neighborhood what the view of that building would look like.

1054
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:11,400
 You can't really actually see it from the streets, the internal streets of that neighborhood

1055
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:16,240
 due to the sort of existing tree canopy coverage, and the building is set back significantly

1056
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:20,960
 from those existing single-family residential units as well.

1057
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:26,120
 As far as landscaping, they are meeting all of our criteria, providing a minimum landscape

1058
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:30,480
 coverage of 31% and a minimum tree canopy coverage of 42%.

1059
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:37,160
 They are providing street trees along Stewart Road and Loop 288, and they are providing

1060
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,360
 open space at 9%.

1061
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:45,200
 Standing along the right-of-way, they have a continuous row of shrubs as well as a masonry

1062
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:50,800
 and wrought iron gate in some areas that masonry is going to be used for a sort of retaining

1063
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,600
 wall, and the wrought iron would be on top of that.

1064
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:58,480
 And then as far as the compatibility buffer for the adjacent single-family residential

1065
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:02,680
 use to the south and southwest, they are proposing a six-foot tall masonry screening wall, so

1066
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:10,120
 a solid wall, as well as a 10-foot wide landscape buffer on the interior of the site.

1067
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:16,760
 This is in keeping with the Denton 2040 comprehensive plan that has this as a future land use designation

1068
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,680
 of neighborhood mixed use.

1069
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:27,900
 It also helps us achieve one of our housing goals, which is meeting the needs of our residents

1070
01:07:27,900 --> 01:07:34,240
 with a diverse array of housing choice type and cost by allowing that additional height.

1071
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:38,680
 What we are getting with this development is that density and those additional units,

1072
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:43,280
 of course, with that level, at that level.

1073
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:54,360
 Mitigating adverse impacts, so DDC 7.10.6 has a requirement that building heights transition,

1074
01:07:54,360 --> 01:08:00,240
 so that we aren't really looking at a residential zoning district with a maximum building height

1075
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:06,200
 of 40 feet, and then a multi-family building, of course, setting it right back up to that,

1076
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:10,160
 is much higher than what would be permitted within that residential district.

1077
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:11,560
 That's pretty much described here.

1078
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:18,440
 What you see in the red area is the 50-foot buffer, or 50-foot setback, where a building

1079
01:08:18,440 --> 01:08:21,240
 could not exceed 40 feet.

1080
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:26,760
 Between that and the little orange area is 50 feet to 100 feet, where a building cannot

1081
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:36,900
 exceed 55 feet, and then beyond that in the green is the maximum building height must

1082
01:08:36,900 --> 01:08:40,400
 meet what is required within the inmate district, which is 65 feet.

1083
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:46,360
 Again, what I said earlier, between 41 feet and 65 feet, an SUP is required, and that's

1084
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:51,360
 why this request is here before you today.

1085
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:54,440
 We did send out the proper notices for this.

1086
01:08:54,440 --> 01:09:02,080
 We did receive one in opposition of that notice, in opposition of this request.

1087
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,000
 The applicants did not hold a neighborhood meeting, and I think that question was posed.

1088
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:10,040
 The applicant is here to speak to that, if that is still the question of the commissioner,

1089
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:16,460
 and no responses in favor or neutral to this request.

1090
01:09:16,460 --> 01:09:17,920
 With that, staff is recommending approval.

1091
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:22,640
 Of course, the full justification for that recommendation is provided within your backup,

1092
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:28,560
 but again, this does meet all of our criteria for approval, and so that is our recommendation.

1093
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,920
 With that, I'll take any questions or comments that you have at this time, and again, the

1094
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,200
 applicant is here prepared to answer any of your questions as well.

1095
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:35,200
 Okay.

1096
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:36,200
 Thank you, Bian.

1097
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:41,880
 I don't see anybody with a question to speak.

1098
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:48,760
 I don't have a card for the applicant, but if the applicant is willing, is wanting to

1099
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:55,000
 speak at all ... We'll get to you in a second.

1100
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:59,280
 We'll get to public comment in a second, so no presentation from the applicant.

1101
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:03,160
 No presentation, just to hear the answer to questions, if you have them.

1102
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:04,160
 Okay.

1103
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:05,160
 Commissioner Villarreal.

1104
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:06,160
 Yes.

1105
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:07,160
 I do have a question for the applicant.

1106
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:11,240
 What was the reasoning to not hold that public meeting?

1107
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:15,500
 We did have some questions come in regards to this project.

1108
01:10:15,500 --> 01:10:18,600
 You are coming into a single-family established neighborhood.

1109
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:23,040
 I'm just curious as to why that public meeting was decided as not being necessary.

1110
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:27,640
 If you can just state your name and address, and then you can answer the question.

1111
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:28,640
 Work address?

1112
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:29,640
 Yeah.

1113
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:30,640
 Work address is fine.

1114
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,640
 Nicholas Erringer, 1720 West Virginia Street in McKinney, I think.

1115
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:36,680
 Street or Parkway, one of the two.

1116
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:37,680
 Okay.

1117
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:38,680
 We sent out the notices.

1118
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:39,680
 We posted the signs.

1119
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:44,040
 With us only getting the one in opposition, we figured we weren't going to get a whole

1120
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:51,920
 lot of additional pushback beyond that, so we thought we kind of did adequate reach out.

1121
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:58,440
 Do you usually host public meetings when you're proposing projects of this nature in single-family

1122
01:10:58,440 --> 01:11:01,800
 neighborhoods by chance?

1123
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,280
 Not usually, unless there's a request.

1124
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:05,280
 Gotcha.

1125
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:06,280
 Thank you.

1126
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:07,280
 Okay.

1127
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:08,280
 Is there any other questions?

1128
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,280
 Any other questions for Matkin?

1129
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:13,600
 Mia, I have two questions for you myself.

1130
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:14,600
 Thank you.

1131
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:15,600
 Yeah.

1132
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:16,600
 Matthew, correct?

1133
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:17,600
 Ned.

1134
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:18,600
 Ned.

1135
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:19,600
 All right.

1136
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:20,600
 Gotcha.

1137
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:26,440
 The current zoning right now, they can currently develop multi-family in that with the height

1138
01:11:26,440 --> 01:11:27,640
 standards that currently stand.

1139
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:28,640
 That's why it's going for an SUP.

1140
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,080
 They're just trying to raise the height.

1141
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:31,080
 Correct.

1142
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:38,080
 Current setback for multi-family in that zoning right now is I'm assuming 10 feet, or is it

1143
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:39,080
 50?

1144
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:40,080
 From the ...

1145
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:47,560
 From the adjacent single-family residential zoning, is it 50 feet or is it 10 feet?

1146
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:55,520
 So just structures, I'm not sure what that south or southwest setback is immediately.

1147
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:59,160
 The building height in transition is more related to the height than the proximity.

1148
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:00,160
 Sure.

1149
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:03,480
 We've seen a project in the past that's similar to this, a multi-family, a budding right up

1150
01:12:03,480 --> 01:12:05,380
 next to a single-family residential.

1151
01:12:05,380 --> 01:12:08,500
 By right, they could've ... I mean, this is almost an exact carbon copy of what we had

1152
01:12:08,500 --> 01:12:14,440
 over off 35 between Buckees and the old Goodwill, requesting an SUP for a change of height.

1153
01:12:14,440 --> 01:12:18,920
 They could, by right, develop multi-family up to 10 feet setback from the neighborhood

1154
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:24,200
 property line, but they're asking for the SUP to increase the height, to make up for

1155
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:30,800
 topography on the land, and by doing so, they're enforcing on themselves a 100-foot buffer.

1156
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:36,840
 What I'm wanting to know is that if this SUP was not approved tonight, could the applicant

1157
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:41,360
 still move forward and develop a multi-family within a 10-foot setback, and then abiding

1158
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:45,760
 by the height transitioning, which as you put it, within that 50-foot zone of the single-family

1159
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,280
 residential, could be a maximum height of 40 feet.

1160
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:54,880
 And 40 feet, if I believe correctly, equates to, I think, essentially about a two-story

1161
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:55,880
 building, correct, usually?

1162
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:59,320
 You can't really get three stories in 40 feet, correct?

1163
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:01,880
 So a two-story building could be 10 feet from the backyard.

1164
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:10,000
 So, yeah, so the MN district does have no actual minimum side yard or rear yard setback.

1165
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,800
 Because of the use, there is still that landscape buffer, so you're correct.

1166
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:13,800
 It would be 10 feet.

1167
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:14,800
 10 feet.

1168
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:15,800
 Yes.

1169
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:16,800
 OK.

1170
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:17,800
 All right.

1171
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:18,800
 Thank you, Mia.

1172
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:19,800
 OK.

1173
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:20,800
 All right.

1174
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:21,800
 I do not have any cards.

1175
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:25,680
 I know we have one citizen from the public who does want to speak, so if you'd like to

1176
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:27,840
 come on up, you could fill out a card afterwards.

1177
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:31,440
 But if you can just state your name and your address, and then you'll have four minutes

1178
01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:34,040
 to speak.

1179
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:38,800
 Mia, you mind?

1180
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:39,800
 You're good.

1181
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:41,280
 I'd come down there and help you myself if I could.

1182
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:42,280
 I'm the only protest.

1183
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:44,160
 And I only did it because--

1184
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:45,560
 If you could state your name and address real quick.

1185
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:46,560
 I'm so sorry.

1186
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:47,560
 You're OK, Janice.

1187
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:48,560
 Go ahead.

1188
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:49,560
 You're OK, Janice.

1189
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:50,560
 My name's Janice Rogers.

1190
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,440
 I live at 4204 Saline Drive.

1191
01:13:52,440 --> 01:13:58,800
 On that map, I am the last house that shows.

1192
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:04,280
 I came because I didn't know where the building was going to sit, because that's 2.6 acres.

1193
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:07,040
 And you're showing it's going to be in the far corner where we have to turn and come

1194
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:08,040
 down the street.

1195
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:11,360
 There is no turn lane off of Loop 288.

1196
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:15,520
 We're at our-- to get in and out of that area, you take your life in your hands, because

1197
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:20,340
 even though it's got a sign posted, nobody slows down past 60, 65.

1198
01:14:20,340 --> 01:14:27,000
 My main problem was when they put in the three-story at the end of our street on Stewart, in the

1199
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,960
 loop, it blocked an hour's worth of sunshine every morning.

1200
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:34,400
 And I just like-- I can live with losing more sunshine, but I want to know if it's going

1201
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:38,240
 to be up close to my house, but it's going to be on the far edge of it.

1202
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:45,160
 So I have no problems if it's not up against the-- my backyard is it.

1203
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:49,200
 And they showed me that the parking was probably going to be in front of my backyard, which

1204
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:54,440
 is-- that's really what I was here for, because you couldn't tell by this.

1205
01:14:54,440 --> 01:14:57,440
 And I filled out the card, but I appreciate y'all, because I just didn't know where it's

1206
01:14:57,440 --> 01:14:58,440
 going to be built.

1207
01:14:58,440 --> 01:15:03,640
 And my only problem is I want to know when it comes time to build, I work from home.

1208
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:08,200
 So if they start messing with power lines and cable lines, I'm going to lose my-- I

1209
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:09,200
 can't work.

1210
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:15,720
 I just need to know who to call when things get shut off or broken or, you know, cut.

1211
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:18,640
 And we had that when they were building those apartments, and then they're usually pretty,

1212
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:19,640
 pretty good.

1213
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,040
 We only lost internet one time.

1214
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:23,040
 I appreciate y'all.

1215
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:24,040
 Thank you.

1216
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:25,040
 I appreciate it.

1217
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:28,120
 Mia, if you can get with Janice afterwards and talk to her about getting in contact for

1218
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:30,120
 power and that kind of stuff.

1219
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:31,120
 So great.

1220
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:32,120
 Awesome.

1221
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:33,120
 All right.

1222
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:34,640
 Have any other-- anybody else wishing to speak?

1223
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:35,640
 If so, come on down.

1224
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:36,640
 Yep.

1225
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:37,640
 You can fill out a card afterwards.

1226
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:40,200
 You can grab one of the blue cards out there in the hallway and speak afterwards, but come

1227
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:43,120
 on down to the mic and state your name and address, and then you'll have four minutes

1228
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:44,120
 to speak.

1229
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:45,120
 Oh, yes.

1230
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:46,120
 My name is Alan Moreno.

1231
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:47,920
 Wait until you get down to the mic.

1232
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:48,920
 We broadcast this.

1233
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:50,320
 They're at DTV, and they can't hear you.

1234
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:51,320
 Sorry about that.

1235
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:52,320
 You're OK.

1236
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:53,320
 My name is Alan Moreno.

1237
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:54,760
 I live at 705 Jupiter Drive.

1238
01:15:54,760 --> 01:16:00,680
 I am the far left house on that picture, like right there on that corner.

1239
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:07,120
 My issue is all the same as the last person against us, as when they were doing construction

1240
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:15,940
 and that turn going in on Stewart and connecting to Celine, there is a high traffic whenever

1241
01:16:15,940 --> 01:16:18,800
 you come in and cut across.

1242
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:25,120
 They have been-- the other apartments that are put there, they have side parking now.

1243
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:32,920
 And when you come in, my issue is how are they going to accommodate their side street

1244
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:38,320
 parking, because even when you come in, it narrows that road.

1245
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:41,560
 And my understanding from what they explained is they were going to try to expand it in

1246
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:43,360
 some way.

1247
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:47,760
 My question is where, because in the other side of the apartments, they haven't expanded

1248
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:51,320
 it at all, it's still up against the street.

1249
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:52,880
 So are they going to do something similar?

1250
01:16:52,880 --> 01:17:00,280
 Is it going to be like a copy paste over, or how is it going to affect us just in traffic

1251
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:06,840
 and-- I work 5 o'clock in the morning, so when I leave, people are parked here.

1252
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:12,280
 You take that corner, it's a blind corner, basically, along with, of course, the whole

1253
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:18,880
 height issue and losing sunlight, I feel like it's going to be kind of more of an eyesore,

1254
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:24,960
 because on that side, there's not as high of a tree line as the other developed development

1255
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:26,960
 across the street.

1256
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:31,560
 So I guess what I'm saying is I'm here to be another opposition.

1257
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:32,560
 Yes.

1258
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:33,560
 All right.

1259
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:34,560
 Thank you very much.

1260
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,600
 We'll address the question that you have about side street parking in a second, if there's

1261
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,680
 no other public speakers who have any other questions for the applicant.

1262
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:41,000
 We'll ask them all at the same time.

1263
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:42,680
 So thank you for coming out and speaking.

1264
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:43,680
 Thank you.

1265
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,800
 If you can, just remember to fill out a card and get it over to us.

1266
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:47,800
 So I appreciate it.

1267
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:48,800
 OK.

1268
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:49,800
 This is a public hearing.

1269
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:51,440
 If there's any other way for us to speak, please come on down.

1270
01:17:51,440 --> 01:17:59,920
 Just state your name and your address, and you'll have four minutes to speak.

1271
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:00,920
 My name is Brittany Boss.

1272
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:01,920
 You can address it if you'd like to.

1273
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:02,920
 Yeah, go ahead.

1274
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:03,920
 Oh, cool.

1275
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:04,920
 Short people problems.

1276
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:08,760
 I'm Brittany Boss, and I live on 704 Jupiter Drive right across the street from him, and

1277
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:12,840
 I'm in opposition of this, mostly for the traffic.

1278
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:16,360
 It's already-- I leave at 4, compared to him moving at 5.

1279
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:18,800
 We usually see each other sometimes.

1280
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:23,460
 Whenever we're trying to leave-- at least, I know for me, I get caught in the traffic

1281
01:18:23,460 --> 01:18:27,520
 in the morning, because there are other early risers, we get caught in the traffic.

1282
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:36,800
 And whenever we see cars coming in to get onto Stewart from Loop 288, they're not the

1283
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:41,040
 best of drivers, especially not that early in the morning.

1284
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:45,240
 And sometimes they veer into the already opposing lane.

1285
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:49,520
 So there are times when the parked vehicles are there, and they're oncoming.

1286
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:53,960
 We do have to slow down a little bit more, because they go at such high speeds, already

1287
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:54,960
 curving.

1288
01:18:54,960 --> 01:19:01,840
 And I saw on the map the entrance was going to be on Stewart for the two-way left lane.

1289
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:07,520
 And I was wondering, kind of like, why they would do that?

1290
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:12,520
 Because already-- and just today, when I was coming home, I take Loop 288 and get onto

1291
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:16,480
 Stewart to get onto Selene and get onto Jupiter.

1292
01:19:16,480 --> 01:19:22,240
 The people already going into the Xer stop to get into the left, but everyone else on

1293
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:26,560
 the Loop going off that is still going at high speeds, because there's no way to really

1294
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,440
 safely slow down and turn.

1295
01:19:28,440 --> 01:19:30,200
 Nobody wants to slow down.

1296
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:34,600
 And then seeing someone already there, we can't slow down, because they're not slowing

1297
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:35,600
 down.

1298
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:37,480
 And we try to be as safe as possible.

1299
01:19:37,480 --> 01:19:43,160
 We're already-- I saw someone almost get hit today on my way home, because they were trying

1300
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:46,720
 to get into the apartments, and no one was slowing down.

1301
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:53,280
 My question is, why would the entrance be on Stewart, adding to more of the traffic

1302
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:58,360
 stops, people getting stuck in the endless, the high traffic hours of trying to turn left

1303
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:01,400
 or right, or to get to where they need to go?

1304
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:08,120
 Instead of, I guess, creating a bit more of another lane entering into the apartments

1305
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:14,360
 off Loop 288, where it's dedicated, where they can safely enter and not contribute to

1306
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:21,160
 possible traffic jams during the high hours of traffic, like 5 o'clock, 7 in the morning.

1307
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:27,040
 So I'm in opposition of this, solely because of the existing traffic issues I've been experiencing

1308
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:31,480
 since the current apartments have come into play.

1309
01:20:31,480 --> 01:20:38,800
 And then seeing the addition of another possible traffic problem.

1310
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:39,800
 OK.

1311
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:45,600
 If I can ask you a quick question, would you reference parking along the street of Stewart?

1312
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:50,960
 You mean along the east side, which is the side of the already existing apartment complex?

1313
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:51,960
 Yes.

1314
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:52,960
 They park along that street there?

1315
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:54,320
 Are they parked along the shoulder?

1316
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:58,360
 My understanding, I was looking at the map on Stewart, doesn't look like there's much

1317
01:20:58,360 --> 01:20:59,360
 of a shoulder there.

1318
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:00,360
 So they just park?

1319
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:01,360
 It's barely.

1320
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:02,360
 It's like a hint of a shoulder.

1321
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:07,840
 You could park there, and your rear view mirrors are right there above the line.

1322
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:11,880
 Or if you're able to get a little closer to the curb, it's just a smidge more.

1323
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:16,920
 I know when the construction was happening during that time, and it was raining, I did

1324
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:22,600
 almost hit one of the vehicles there, because there was a little bit of a bump there.

1325
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:26,600
 So that is an existing issue.

1326
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:27,600
 Thank you.

1327
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:28,960
 Appreciate it.

1328
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:29,960
 This is a public hearing.

1329
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:35,080
 Anybody who is wishing to speak may do so.

1330
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:38,160
 OK.

1331
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:39,720
 Seeing none, I will close the public hearing.

1332
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:43,200
 Mia, I do have a couple of questions I'd like to address, and then if the applicant wants

1333
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:46,680
 to address anything on public comment.

1334
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:47,680
 Two things.

1335
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:53,040
 Is Stewart Road wide enough, and does our parking allow for us to allow for on-street

1336
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:54,040
 parking on Stewart Road?

1337
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:59,000
 It doesn't look like when I look at the map that on-street parking would be allowed there.

1338
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:05,880
 Yeah, with the construction of Quincy Road, they did stripe that shoulder or that side

1339
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:09,440
 of the street for allow for on-street parking.

1340
01:22:09,440 --> 01:22:13,540
 It is kind of-- it's kind of reflect-- it's kind of cut off here.

1341
01:22:13,540 --> 01:22:17,480
 It's kind of reflected in the site plan that we're considering this evening that shows

1342
01:22:17,480 --> 01:22:20,720
 some of those spaces and that dedication.

1343
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:28,320
 I will say that this-- as a part of this development, there is some additional dedication for that

1344
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:29,960
 area of Stewart Road as well.

1345
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:30,960
 OK.

1346
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:31,960
 Gotcha.

1347
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:34,680
 We can address the applicant about that in a second.

1348
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:39,960
 Can you help us visualize on the site plan the left-- the two-way middle turn lane that

1349
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:43,000
 you're talking about that'll be required due to the TIA?

1350
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:46,960
 Is there a best way to visualize that?

1351
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:51,620
 This is-- this is the best exhibit that I have for it, unfortunately, and it's-- it's--

1352
01:22:51,620 --> 01:22:55,080
 it would be here-- I'm sorry, here in the center.

1353
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,800
 You can see where my mouse is.

1354
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:03,400
 Again, with the-- with the dedication that is being proposed as a part of this, it would

1355
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:09,120
 be wide enough to add a-- so there-- there would be that-- that-- that area of parking

1356
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:14,880
 that's over there to the east, then that the lane-- that one lane that would be going north

1357
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:21,680
 on Stewart, and then there would be a center turn lane there within this area here, and

1358
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:24,640
 then there would be the southbound lane on Stewart.

1359
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:29,560
 So essentially, it will be re-striped to create-- well, yes, it's a middle turn lane, but it

1360
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:34,760
 will be a buffering-- a striped buffering within there, at least for the north and southbound

1361
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:37,440
 traffic, because that's how that's-- and that's going to go all the way to the intersection

1362
01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:38,440
 at 288.

1363
01:23:38,440 --> 01:23:40,920
 No, just-- just to the entrance to the north entrance.

1364
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:45,280
 So that-- that will narrow back out as it gets closer to 288.

1365
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:46,280
 So, okay.

1366
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:47,280
 Understood.

1367
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:48,280
 Okay.

1368
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:49,280
 Thank you.

1369
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,160
 If the applicant wants to come on down and address any-- anything about the on-street

1370
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:54,800
 parking that was brought up during public comment.

1371
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,480
 Hi, Alden.

1372
01:23:57,480 --> 01:24:05,720
 Yeah, so just to clarify a couple of things, it-- the road never narrows back down.

1373
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:09,880
 As it gets close to loop 288, we're-- we're building the full half section.

1374
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:14,880
 I think the entire width of our property, it does taper down towards the south side.

1375
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:20,200
 But for the-- kind of the-- the length of our property, we're building the full section.

1376
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:21,200
 Okay.

1377
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:26,280
 The existing parking for the adjacent development, we are maintaining that and we'll be re-striping

1378
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:27,280
 it.

1379
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:28,280
 We've got the full northbound lane.

1380
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:32,240
 We've got the center lane, which varies, and if-- if this would be helpful, I can pass

1381
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:35,920
 out the actual-- I've only got one copy, but I can pass out the printed copy of the site

1382
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,720
 plan if you want a more detailed look at it.

1383
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:42,920
 And that center lane is, again, it varies from strike buffer to two-way left turn lanes,

1384
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:45,440
 and then we've got the full southbound lane as well.

1385
01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:48,440
 I'm here to answer any other questions.

1386
01:24:48,440 --> 01:24:51,960
 I don't know if the eye in the-- oh, I'm looking up at God for this, but I don't know if the

1387
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:56,040
 eye in the sky can see that, what he has laid out on the sheet, but if we could put that

1388
01:24:56,040 --> 01:25:01,480
 up on the screen, that'd be great.

1389
01:25:01,480 --> 01:25:02,760
 Lord Jesus, do you hear me?

1390
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:03,760
 Okay.

1391
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:07,880
 Can you-- would you mind-- I don't know if we could see-- if you want to shift it to

1392
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:10,680
 get into view, over the felt square there.

1393
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:11,680
 Okay.

1394
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:18,560
 So I guess that-- well, you want me to talk and come back?

1395
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:19,560
 Yeah.

1396
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:21,360
 You could just point-- you could point the mic back over to yourself, and you'd be able

1397
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:22,360
 to speak.

1398
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:23,360
 Perfect.

1399
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:24,360
 This better?

1400
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:25,360
 Yep.

1401
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:26,360
 Okay.

1402
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:27,360
 And there, if we could get around so we could see it on there.

1403
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:28,360
 So I guess-- oh, perfect.

1404
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:29,360
 Never mind.

1405
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:30,360
 I'll move over here then.

1406
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:32,000
 But I-- hopefully that's helpful, and we can zoom in and talk about--

1407
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:36,640
 Can you zoom-- can we zoom in a little bit onto the road, Stuart Road, on-- on the--

1408
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:39,400
 on the site plan there?

1409
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:45,400
 I wish I had my little joystick.

1410
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:50,000
 That'd be great.

1411
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:51,000
 There we go.

1412
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:52,000
 Perfect.

1413
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:53,000
 Okay.

1414
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:54,000
 Go ahead.

1415
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:59,760
 Well, I-- I don't have any more to add unless I'm answering any other specific questions,

1416
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,680
 or if you want to talk about any areas in-- in-- specifically.

1417
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:07,560
 So specifically where you're seeing that striped section on top of the-- the word Stuart Road,

1418
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:11,200
 that-- that's gonna be-- that's not gonna be the turn lane, obviously, but you can see

1419
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:16,060
 to where that-- the hatch marking over on the west side of the road there, right?

1420
01:26:16,060 --> 01:26:19,840
 That's gonna be-- that's gonna be actual landscape buffering, and then the road-- you guys will

1421
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:23,200
 essentially be building out a section of road there, correct, to make almost-- almost make

1422
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:24,200
 Stuart Road wider.

1423
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:25,200
 Yes, sir.

1424
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:26,200
 Is that my understanding?

1425
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:27,200
 Okay.

1426
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:28,200
 Yes, sir.

1427
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:29,200
 Gotcha.

1428
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:30,200
 So it'd be widening Stuart Road to a degree.

1429
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:31,320
 I don't want to say that when traffic engineers get-- get mad at us when I say that stuff.

1430
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:32,960
 So-- but that's essentially what's gonna happen.

1431
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:33,960
 Yes, sir.

1432
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:34,960
 Yeah, that's correct.

1433
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:35,960
 Okay.

1434
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:36,960
 Understood.

1435
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:37,960
 Okay.

1436
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:38,960
 Thank you.

1437
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,960
 Do we have any other questions for the applicant?

1438
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:42,960
 Okay.

1439
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:43,960
 Seeing none.

1440
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:44,960
 I think none.

1441
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:45,960
 Appreciate it.

1442
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:46,960
 Awesome.

1443
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:47,960
 Thanks, y'all.

1444
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:48,960
 Okay.

1445
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:53,280
 Public hearing has been closed, so I'll move to the dais for discussion and/or motion.

1446
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:55,520
 Commissioner Pruitt?

1447
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:59,880
 I'll move approval as presented.

1448
01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:00,880
 Okay.

1449
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:01,880
 Okay.

1450
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:02,880
 With-- with staff conditions?

1451
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:03,880
 Yes.

1452
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:04,880
 Okay.

1453
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:05,880
 Well, as presented to.

1454
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:06,880
 Commissioner Cole?

1455
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:07,880
 Second.

1456
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:08,880
 Okay.

1457
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:11,640
 With the first in discussion-- second, do we have any discussion?

1458
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:12,640
 Commissioner Villarreal.

1459
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:13,640
 Yeah.

1460
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:17,600
 First off, thank you, staff and the applicant for what you presented today.

1461
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:24,080
 I fully understand you can build an apartment here by right, fully respect that.

1462
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:31,880
 However, I don't believe a four-story complex in this neighborhood makes too much sense.

1463
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:36,220
 I believe that a lot of these questions could have been answered earlier if a public meeting

1464
01:27:36,220 --> 01:27:37,600
 was had.

1465
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:39,880
 With that in mind, I'm going to vote no.

1466
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:40,880
 Okay.

1467
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:42,640
 Commissioner McDean?

1468
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:43,640
 Thank you, Chair.

1469
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:48,280
 I'm also in agreement with Commissioner Villarreal.

1470
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:50,240
 My biggest concern is the traffic.

1471
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:55,800
 Although I don't live in that area, I actually work in that area on Hay Street.

1472
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:59,960
 So the traffic that you see every morning, I see it also.

1473
01:27:59,960 --> 01:28:04,760
 I have a big concern with the traffic, and for that reason, I'm also in opposition of

1474
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:05,760
 this.

1475
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:06,760
 Okay.

1476
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:07,760
 Thank you.

1477
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:08,760
 All right.

1478
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:09,760
 Any other discussion?

1479
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:10,760
 Commissioner Pruitt?

1480
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:11,760
 Thank you, Chair.

1481
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:23,320
 I'm sensitive to the access and traffic issues because this is another case where we're butted

1482
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:30,240
 up against to a tech stop road and their priorities is moving people and cars as fast as possible,

1483
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:37,560
 and our priority is trying to make a neighborhood that people enjoy living in, and those conflict.

1484
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:44,800
 At the same time, the proposed schematic here does improve the current situation.

1485
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:50,080
 It gives you basically 30 feet of roadway where you can miss before hitting a parked

1486
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:51,080
 car.

1487
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:57,280
 Right now, I think they have about 15 feet.

1488
01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:06,680
 To me, it looks like this can only be an improvement from a traffic perspective.

1489
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:09,720
 Where does this kind of thing go, perspective?

1490
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:20,520
 We've been talking about being reticent about large clumps of housing outside of the loop,

1491
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:21,960
 outside of our core.

1492
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:22,960
 This one's inside.

1493
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:23,960
 Right?

1494
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:30,280
 So this gives people an opportunity to move here and be able to travel through a neighborhood

1495
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:39,000
 to get downtown or ride their bike somewhere or et cetera, and I think we need to recognize

1496
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:47,520
 when we see projects that fulfill that vision of seeing more infill, not outside the loop,

1497
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:53,560
 then we need to reward them with support, so thank you.

1498
01:29:53,560 --> 01:30:01,720
 While I have Hilary looking up something real quick, I just want to say a few words myself.

1499
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:06,680
 I totally hear the neighborhood on this, and thank you very much for coming out and speaking

1500
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:11,520
 for those who've done it for the first time, did a great job.

1501
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:16,800
 I agree with Commissioner Pruitt that while having the multifamily there may not be what

1502
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:22,280
 is desired, I think it's also very hard to look at this plot of land being only 2.6 acres

1503
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:27,920
 and seeing it be really anything else other than a very small multifamily development.

1504
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:32,160
 Having a commercial development there could be very difficult.

1505
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:36,080
 I also don't think it'd be something that'd be necessarily useful to the neighborhood

1506
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:39,560
 and might end up being something like a gas station or a convenience store, which I think

1507
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:46,160
 would be less desirable to folks there because of the noise pollution and light pollution

1508
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:52,080
 that goes along there, and with it being able to be built by right and really the only change

1509
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:55,480
 is, yes, I agree with Commissioner Villarreal, I think the height is not the greatest, but

1510
01:30:55,480 --> 01:31:01,400
 in my opinion, if it isn't something like this, an amenable project that creates a lot

1511
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:06,600
 of buffer with a street improvement added into it to hopefully alleviate some of the

1512
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:13,280
 traffic issues, and I say hopefully because no one can tell the future and speak to it.

1513
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:16,840
 I've driven down Stewart before, and that's why I was asking those questions there because

1514
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:22,240
 I was concerned about really how much actual street parking should be happening there,

1515
01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:27,000
 but now I know there's street parking there already, so I am concerned by that as well,

1516
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:31,720
 but with it being said, I think the project is something that makes sense in this area,

1517
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:32,720
 so.

1518
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:33,720
 [inaudible]

1519
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:34,720
 Understood.

1520
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:35,720
 Okay.

1521
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:36,720
 Any other discussion?

1522
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:37,720
 Okay.

1523
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:45,720
 Seeing none, I call for a vote on the board.

1524
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:52,520
 That motion passes three, two.

1525
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:53,520
 Okay.

1526
01:31:53,520 --> 01:32:01,360
 Moving on, we'll move on to item 6A, Planning and Zoning Commission Project Matrix, PZ23-170,

1527
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:05,560
 and I will throw this over to Tina Fergens.

1528
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:06,560
 Thank you.

1529
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:10,160
 Just close that and get that out of the way.

1530
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:13,140
 So just a couple quick things with respect to the matrix.

1531
01:32:13,140 --> 01:32:19,020
 So staff is working on programming, and when I say staff, Haley really is carrying the

1532
01:32:19,020 --> 01:32:23,680
 lion's share on this, but is working with various teams so that we can start programming

1533
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:26,640
 responses to the items that have been on your matrix.

1534
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:29,880
 As you know, we've been really busy with the area plans and all of our public engagement

1535
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:34,580
 efforts, but that's no good excuse, in my opinion.

1536
01:32:34,580 --> 01:32:35,920
 We do need to bring these items back.

1537
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:40,280
 So you will start seeing us bringing some of these items back on your agenda, and we're

1538
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:45,520
 coordinating with the various supporting staff who will be providing those updates to the

1539
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:46,520
 commission.

1540
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:47,520
 So know that that's forthcoming.

1541
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:50,080
 You probably noticed we have vacant seat.

1542
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:53,760
 Just wanted to thank Commissioner Anderson for his service on the Planning and Zoning

1543
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:55,720
 Commission.

1544
01:32:55,720 --> 01:33:00,520
 Also giving council's action some items that I know you all will be interested in.

1545
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:03,680
 We've done some amendments here to the Debt and Development Code, of which you all have

1546
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:07,140
 seen since they were presented as zoning cases.

1547
01:33:07,140 --> 01:33:11,460
 Having preliminary plots optional, that was approved by city council.

1548
01:33:11,460 --> 01:33:16,000
 Keep in mind, we will still have some projects, like projects that are within the Hunter and

1549
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:20,520
 Cole MPCs, because of the way their zoning ordinances are structured.

1550
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:24,560
 The preliminary plots are still a requirement of that, but otherwise, you'll start seeing

1551
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:28,080
 fewer preliminary plots on your agenda as a result of the amendment that we made at

1552
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:30,360
 least to the Debt and Development Code.

1553
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:33,760
 The agriculture and animal-related uses, I know Angie worked hard on that.

1554
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:39,800
 Those were also approved by council, and so if you recall, that one also has what we refer

1555
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:43,680
 to as 11 or 12 items of dangerous things that are provided for in the state statute.

1556
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:50,020
 So we'll continue to monitor uses that would need to be addressed with that, but also once

1557
01:33:50,020 --> 01:33:55,120
 that Texas A&M AgriLife Extension Service Manual is published, then we'll make sure

1558
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:58,680
 that we review our regulations in accordance with that to see if there's any adjustments

1559
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:00,680
 we need to make.

1560
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:04,860
 Animal accommodations, I know Julie worked hard on this with group homes, community homes

1561
01:34:04,860 --> 01:34:05,860
 as well.

1562
01:34:05,860 --> 01:34:11,880
 That was approved just last night at the city council, so that is a significant improvement

1563
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:17,420
 to our Debt and Development Code, so was glad to see that that was also able to be approved.

1564
01:34:17,420 --> 01:34:21,040
 Other items that were approved also were the alternative ESA plan for Cyrene at Hickory

1565
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:22,040
 Creek.

1566
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:24,920
 If you recall, they were making the adjustment in order to be able to accommodate the drainage

1567
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:27,760
 improvements associated with that project.

1568
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:30,320
 So that takes care of those items.

1569
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:34,160
 With respect to the area plans, great presentation by the team this evening on downtown, so I

1570
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:37,880
 won't address that since you got a thorough update there.

1571
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:43,200
 Southeast, we will be doing some visual preference intercept surveys for the community in late

1572
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:44,280
 October.

1573
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:50,480
 So we'll do a social media and flyer advertising push to let folks know of that.

1574
01:34:50,480 --> 01:34:55,280
 Those intercept surveys will likely be happening the last two weeks in October, so stay tuned

1575
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:57,400
 for more information on that.

1576
01:34:57,400 --> 01:35:04,920
 And then also with northeast end area plan, we will be, we're working on revising our

1577
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:07,560
 project schedule and some of the meeting dates.

1578
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:11,760
 I know we've had some inquiries on that, so just wanted to make sure I address that here.

1579
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:15,820
 But once we get that all solidified and confirm some of the dates, then we will start making

1580
01:35:15,820 --> 01:35:17,720
 sure that we get that information published.

1581
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:21,500
 I know we have several residents within the community that are interested in that.

1582
01:35:21,500 --> 01:35:25,040
 That will include dates that we've identified for Planning and Zoning Commission as well

1583
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:31,400
 as City Council, the online survey, the community open house/workshop, and then also there's

1584
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:33,680
 a third steering committee.

1585
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:39,480
 And then we would also have subsequent PNZ and council meetings that we can start identifying.

1586
01:35:39,480 --> 01:35:46,040
 Know that in all likelihood because of how our commission and council schedules are presenting

1587
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:51,280
 themselves and then also some other work priorities and staff availability, we will likely have

1588
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:54,120
 a special called meeting for the Planning and Zoning Commission.

1589
01:35:54,120 --> 01:35:58,680
 I think we're looking at possibly November 1st, but we'll definitely, once we get our

1590
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:02,440
 dates confirmed, we'll definitely be looking for the email from Kathy.

1591
01:36:02,440 --> 01:36:05,560
 She'll get that sent out to you all so we can confirm that we've got quorum for that

1592
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:06,560
 as well.

1593
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:11,120
 So a few moving parts, but again, once we get some of our other dates confirmed, then

1594
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:16,020
 we can start making things a little bit more firm and getting that information communicated

1595
01:36:16,020 --> 01:36:19,840
 out not only to you all as commissioners, but also we'll make that information available

1596
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:24,200
 and discuss it and of course we'll communicate that out to our steering committee as well.

1597
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:30,280
 So that's just a quick update with Northeast and otherwise, that concludes my report.

1598
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:32,920
 So thank you.

1599
01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:33,920
 Anybody from the commission?

1600
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:35,480
 Anything you want to add to the matrix?

1601
01:36:35,480 --> 01:36:40,880
 I want to second Tina's thoughts and say thank you to Ronnie Anderson for his service and

1602
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:41,880
 his time.

1603
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:42,880
 He's been greatly appreciated.

1604
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:46,760
 So okay, with that, we'll move on to concluding items.

1605
01:36:46,760 --> 01:36:52,240
 Anything I'll add in on concluding items, myself will just be, we were asked by Ryan

1606
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:58,620
 Cotton to say that if anybody who's listening out there is or has any desire to be filmed

1607
01:36:58,620 --> 01:37:05,480
 by DTV for setting up their Halloween decorations, they would like to have you featured on the

1608
01:37:05,480 --> 01:37:08,280
 widely viewed and watched DTV.

1609
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:18,080
 You can contact Ryan Cotton, Ryan, ryan.cotton, c-o-t-t-e-n at cityofdenton.com to do so.

1610
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:19,320
 So Commissioner Pruitt.

1611
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:20,520
 Thank you, Chair.

1612
01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:27,720
 Yeah, I just wanted to give a plug to the combined city block party national night out

1613
01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:33,000
 kickoff tomorrow night, as well as they're pulling in, the city is pulling in the state

1614
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:39,300
 of the city event that they usually do in the late winter, I don't know what seasons

1615
01:37:39,300 --> 01:37:43,240
 are here, but and really just wanted to thank staff.

1616
01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:49,420
 I think that's an excellent way to combine two events in a way that gets a broader cross

1617
01:37:49,420 --> 01:37:58,280
 section of Denton residents that love our town in proximity to some of our city departments

1618
01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:00,280
 so they can learn more about how things run.

1619
01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:06,120
 I don't know if planning staff had any influence on that, but I see it as a positive move forward

1620
01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:10,000
 that that we've learned from some of our area plans in how to do that reach out.

1621
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:12,040
 So thank you.

1622
01:38:12,040 --> 01:38:14,760
 Okay, see nothing else.

1623
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:16,400
 I'll go ahead and adjourn our meeting at 717.

1624
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:17,520
 Thank you all very much.