WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.680 Exactly. All right, I'm going to call the regular meeting to order at 5.46 p.m. 00:00:05.680 --> 00:00:09.360 and our first order of business is the Pledge to the United States and Texas flag. 00:00:09.360 --> 00:00:19.520 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which 00:00:19.520 --> 00:00:26.560 it stands, one nation, one under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:37.360 Honor the Texas flag. I pledge allegiance to the Texas, one state, under God, one and indivisible. 00:00:37.360 --> 00:00:51.440 All right. All right, our second item for consideration is item 2A, HLC 23-038 on our 00:00:51.440 --> 00:00:58.080 agenda is to consider approval of the minutes for the June 12th, 2023 meeting and I will entertain 00:00:58.080 --> 00:01:03.440 a motion or discussion of minutes. And I will move their approval. 00:01:03.440 --> 00:01:13.360 Thank you, Lance. All right, and we will have a vote all of it. Yes, please raise your hand. 00:01:14.160 --> 00:01:26.960 All right. Okay. Number three, we are going to have a work session item 3A, 00:01:26.960 --> 00:01:35.440 number HLC 23-039 on our agenda is a presentation and discussion regarding the three area plans 00:01:35.440 --> 00:01:42.080 being conducted by the city of Stittens planning division. And I think they're all here. Yes, 00:01:42.080 --> 00:01:48.320 we have everyone here. Thank you so much, Chair. So I stated this is a discussion regarding the 00:01:48.320 --> 00:01:54.480 City of Denton area plans. So just a brief table of contents. First, we're going to kind of just 00:01:54.480 --> 00:02:00.160 cover the background as to how we got to these area plans. Specifically, what is an area plan? 00:02:00.160 --> 00:02:05.280 We'll be hiring each of the three area plans that we're currently in the process of in the 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:10.000 planning division. So the Northeast Denton area plan, Southeast Denton area plan, and then that 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:16.320 downtown plan update, and then we can stand for any questions at the end. But I can ask my colleague, 00:02:16.320 --> 00:02:21.120 or I guess I'll give the background first, and then I'll have the Northeast and then the Southeast 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:27.520 will do it that way. So just a background, this all came forward to the City Council on April 5, 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:33.200 2022. At that time, City Council did ask that the planning division proceed with these three 00:02:33.200 --> 00:02:40.240 area plans at Southeast, Northeast, and downtown. City Council directed staff to specifically start 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:45.600 with Northeast first, then do Southeast, and then start with that downtown plan, which just launched 00:02:45.600 --> 00:02:52.320 a couple weeks ago. And just kind of talk about the area plans themselves. They're really to guide 00:02:52.320 --> 00:02:59.360 those different areas over the next 20 years with, I guess, running parallel with that Denton 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:04.720 2040 Comprehensive Plan. So that kind of leads to that, what is an area plan specifically? 00:03:04.720 --> 00:03:12.080 The area plan is a document that provides guidelines for specific policies, actions 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:16.880 that are consistent with that Denton 2040 Comprehensive Plan, but as well as that community 00:03:16.880 --> 00:03:24.640 vision specific for that area. It allows the City specifically to address those more 00:03:24.640 --> 00:03:29.920 refined specific planning and development challenges that those areas are experiencing, and 00:03:29.920 --> 00:03:36.640 opportunities at a scale that's more specific. So they can do it by neighborhood, certain street 00:03:36.640 --> 00:03:43.840 corridors, certain districts, and I'm going to invite the Northeast area team to come up, 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:47.840 introduce themselves, and then we can jump right in. I was going to say, while you're doing that, 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:52.480 if I could add to your other slide. So keep in mind, the area plans really came about as a result of 00:03:52.480 --> 00:03:57.840 our adoption of the Comprehensive Plan, the Denton 2040 Plan. The Comprehensive Plan is kind of that 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:03.600 30,000 level policy view document, right? So area plans allows them to do a much more deeper dive 00:04:03.600 --> 00:04:09.280 analysis on that given area to what Cameron was speaking to. So that allows us to do much more 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:13.840 targeted public engagement associated with it. We do use the Comprehensive Plan as kind of the 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:19.840 overarching guide for policy for the area plans, but also as we're doing our deep dive analysis on 00:04:19.840 --> 00:04:24.720 these area plans, it may allow us to make some adjustments to what our land use recommendations 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:30.560 are, mobility, maybe we're looking at housing character, historic appropriateness. So it really 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:36.560 allows that much deeper dive analysis associated with that. But I just wanted to add that kind of 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:41.760 finer point to how we came about with those. Your turn now. Thank you. You're welcome. Hi, everybody. 00:04:41.760 --> 00:04:46.240 My name is Angie Manglaris. I'm the project manager for the Northeast Den Area Plan. 00:04:46.880 --> 00:04:53.360 Ms. Mia Hines is working as the assistant project manager on this area plan. And it's my pleasure to 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:57.760 give you guys an update as to where we are on this plan, what's been done so far, our next steps, 00:04:57.760 --> 00:05:03.360 as well as cover some of the historic assets that are in the area. So the Northeast Den Area Plan 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:09.440 is a bit larger than some of our other area plans. It's approximately 13.3 square miles with 46% of 00:05:09.440 --> 00:05:16.880 that being within Denton city limits and approximately 53% of that area being outside of Denton city 00:05:16.880 --> 00:05:22.480 limits. It presents kind of a unique situation as the city only really has land use authority in 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:28.400 the 46% that is within the city limits while the rest of it is in what we call our ETJ or our 00:05:28.400 --> 00:05:35.600 extraterritorial jurisdiction. On the right of your screen, you can kind of see the general area that 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:42.000 we're talking about, certainly north of Loop 288, east of FM 428, and then the Cooper Creek provides 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:53.440 that eastern boundary with 380 being our southern boundary. Is that the area that the entire area 00:05:53.440 --> 00:06:00.480 or the area that we can control? Good question. So this area outlined in yellow is the entire 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:05.840 area planned and we affectionately call these areas that are not highlighted in green kind of 00:06:05.840 --> 00:06:12.640 the donut of the plans. Those are the areas that are in the ETJ. The remainder is in the city limits 00:06:12.640 --> 00:06:23.680 where we do have zoning authority. The purpose of the Northeast Den Area Plan is to identify areas 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:30.560 that are important to residents and stakeholders alike, to plan for development, to identify areas 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:36.320 where change can occur, to get suggestions where we can make future improvements and those improvements 00:06:36.320 --> 00:06:43.360 would include capital projects, policy changes, all for this area. We kicked off this project at 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:49.120 the beginning of the year so we have covered some ground. We've had stakeholder interviews, 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:55.600 we've had two community open houses as well as a strategic foresight workshop where we invited our 00:06:55.600 --> 00:07:00.640 stakeholders to come participate in an all-day event where we really looked at the area close up, 00:07:00.640 --> 00:07:04.400 broke up into groups, talked about different strategies, what individuals wanted to see. 00:07:04.400 --> 00:07:11.360 From that we've conducted online engagement and have drafted some existing conditions reports 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:17.680 and developed a draft division statement for the plan which has helped kind of develop our draft 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:21.920 scenarios. The scenarios are what will be played out into what this plan will look like, what the 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:27.840 end result will be. That's kind of where we're at right now. So in August we had a joint workshop 00:07:27.840 --> 00:07:31.840 with our Northeast Den Steering Committee, the Planning and Zoning Commission and City Council 00:07:31.840 --> 00:07:37.840 where they discussed two different scenarios on how this plan could play out. They voted to choose 00:07:37.840 --> 00:07:43.680 one. We'll go into that detail a little bit and that draft scenario is currently being developed 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:50.000 further at this time. So the project team is developing implementation actions that will 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:55.760 result in a draft final plan which will then go to community input. We'll discuss implementation 00:07:55.760 --> 00:08:00.000 strategies and then we'll receive final direction from Planning and Zoning Commission and City 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:06.320 Council which is all to come through the rest of this fall ideally finishing up by the end of the 00:08:06.320 --> 00:08:12.240 calendar year. Like I said we've had quite a bit of public engagement. We did have stakeholder 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:17.760 interviews where we interviewed one-on-one individuals, 25 that was between elected 00:08:17.760 --> 00:08:24.080 officials, landowners, residents, both county and city residents, our partnering agencies like 00:08:24.080 --> 00:08:29.520 TechStop as well as developers who own large areas of land within the area. We've also had two 00:08:29.520 --> 00:08:34.560 visioning workshops. Those were held at Hodge Elementary. Between the two we had approximately 00:08:34.560 --> 00:08:40.320 265 attendees and then we also conducted online engagement and then following that we did have a 00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:45.360 strategic foresight workshop where we spent the day with approximately 40 individuals. Those were 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:50.720 students, those were professors, those were city residents, county residents, stakeholders, large 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:56.480 landowners as well as elected and appointed officials. From all of this we've heard quite a bit. 00:08:56.480 --> 00:09:03.520 Kind of giving you an overview of all this. From our elected and appointed officials we've gotten 00:09:03.520 --> 00:09:08.800 the feedback of managing expectations. Like I said the city can only control what really happens in 00:09:08.800 --> 00:09:15.360 46% of the area. The residents of the area would like to see zoning kept as is with larger lot 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:21.600 residential development. Developers see the need for higher density development in order to be able 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:27.120 to preserve larger areas of open space. Everyone seemed to think there is a need for grocery stores 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:32.880 and restaurants in the area and the majority were okay with the concept of cluster development but 00:09:32.880 --> 00:09:37.520 had different opinions on what that would look like. So cluster development would be maybe having 00:09:37.520 --> 00:09:44.320 higher density areas of residential development in order to preserve areas of public open space. 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:51.760 Our vision a workshop this was the workshops that we had with the communities at our open houses. 00:09:51.760 --> 00:09:57.280 We heard a lot of different opinions. This is coming from what we had as a six word story. 00:09:57.280 --> 00:10:02.240 These were some of the common themes that we heard. They range from way way way too much 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:09.760 construction to keep rural areas please and there's a general overall sentiment of preserving natural 00:10:09.760 --> 00:10:16.960 spaces where possible. Our strategic foresight workshop we held similar activities but on a 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:22.160 more in-depth look. Again there were common themes of taking care of the environment, 00:10:22.160 --> 00:10:29.920 improving our infrastructure, working together to find consensus, create live work play environments 00:10:29.920 --> 00:10:34.640 and provide a diversity of housing that could accommodate for a variety of different houses 00:10:34.640 --> 00:10:43.360 at different price points, sizes, and affordability. So from all of that we have we composed and 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:48.720 individuals voted on a draft vision statement. I'm not going to read this all for you however 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:53.120 you're more than welcome to take a look at our discussed end page but the common themes are what 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:58.160 you have seen kind of in our earlier feedback prioritization of environmental preservation, 00:10:58.160 --> 00:11:03.200 preservation of historic spaces, providing opportunities for recreation, look at 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:07.760 conservation development, and established northeast Denton is a special place for all to enjoy. 00:11:07.760 --> 00:11:14.800 From our draft vision statement two draft scenarios were proposed and considered at the joint 00:11:14.800 --> 00:11:20.000 steering committee planning and zoning commission workshop with city council and the consensus was 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:27.440 to move forward with the development of scenario two which balances communities desire with 00:11:28.160 --> 00:11:33.520 the development natural development that is occurring in the area. The goal of this scenario 00:11:33.520 --> 00:11:38.720 is to preserve rural character by proposing lower density in the center of the study area 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:45.040 with higher density development along the edges. The study plans for new development and provides 00:11:45.040 --> 00:11:49.920 physical and land use measures to provide preservation opportunities for 00:11:49.920 --> 00:11:55.920 hundreds of acres of public open space. So that is a five-minute recap of where we are 00:11:55.920 --> 00:12:01.680 currently with the Northeast Dent area plan. There are historical assets in the area and that's why 00:12:01.680 --> 00:12:08.240 I'm here to kind of talk to you guys today. So there are five that we really identified in our 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:13.440 existing conditions report those are the Cooper Creek School, the Cooper Creek Baptist Church, 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:20.080 the Cooper Creek Cemetery, Denton's Poor Farm, and the Hartley Airfield. So the Cooper Creek 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:28.800 School was formally established in 1876. The community was formed in 1872. It was a one-room 00:12:28.800 --> 00:12:36.240 building and it served approximately 39 students. Fun fact during the 1918 smallpox endemic a doctor 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:41.680 worked there and helped take care of sick children who were afflicted by that. The school did close 00:12:41.680 --> 00:12:48.160 in 1951. The Cooper Creek Cemetery Association currently maintains it and it was recorded Texas 00:12:48.160 --> 00:12:57.920 historic landmark in 2012. Nearby is the Cooper Creek Baptist Church. It was started being used 00:12:57.920 --> 00:13:05.280 in 1872 kind of when that community was established. In 1916 Mr. Collins donated land to the church to 00:13:05.280 --> 00:13:12.080 build their new sanctuary. In 1961 the church added a new steeple and expanded into smaller buildings. 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:16.480 The current sanctuary that you would see out there today was constructed in 2000 on that original 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:22.800 land and it was recorded Texas historic landmark in 2012. With that I'm going to let Ms. Mia. 00:13:22.800 --> 00:13:37.360 Mia Hines, Associate Planner IMD Assistant Project Manager for the Northeast Area Plan 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:44.880 coming on. Push it through the finish line as Ron Manguita is leaving us. So helping Angie assist 00:13:44.880 --> 00:13:50.720 with this with this plan. I'm also the assistant project manager for the Southeast Area Plan. 00:13:50.720 --> 00:13:57.680 So I'm going to close out with some of our historic assets in Northeastern and then start up on the 00:13:57.680 --> 00:14:03.920 Southeast Park as well. So just continuing on with what Angie was discussing the Cooper Creek 00:14:03.920 --> 00:14:10.720 Cemetery is one of the last remaining remnants of the small rural community dating back to before 00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:19.920 the Civil War. A deed from 1878 evidences is the establishment of the Cooper Creek Cemetery on this 00:14:19.920 --> 00:14:27.520 site. This site holds the bodies of residents, civil leaders, veterans or early settlers from that 00:14:27.520 --> 00:14:33.840 from this area and around that time period. This one in particular is not segregated by race or 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:40.880 religion like most of the cemeteries were established around that time period. And today 00:14:40.880 --> 00:14:47.200 the Cooper Creek Cemetery Association cares and maintains for this specific area and it was 00:14:47.200 --> 00:14:56.000 designated as a historic Texas cemetery in 2011. Another asset excuse me in this area within our 00:14:56.720 --> 00:15:06.400 within this project area from is the Denton Port Farm from 1883 to 1949 ran by Denton County and 00:15:06.400 --> 00:15:12.880 the the operation of this port farm the Denton County Port Farm consisted of approximately 347 00:15:12.880 --> 00:15:21.840 acres. The land itself was used as a refugee for pauper's poor individuals with around that time 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:26.160 period who were unable to care for themselves. It's my understanding that they worked on this 00:15:26.160 --> 00:15:34.160 farm and sort of provided the work and resources for them to exist and survive on this in this 00:15:34.160 --> 00:15:45.200 area. Approximately six to 17 people were living in on that in that area. Lastly we have Hartley 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:52.880 Airfield. This was opened in 1939 by Civilian Aeronautics Authority and the North Texas State 00:15:52.880 --> 00:15:59.760 Teachers College as a pilot training program. George Hart and Beatrice Lee later purchased the 00:15:59.760 --> 00:16:06.000 area which encompasses approximately 600 acres and expanded it to include some airplane hangars and 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:13.360 some runways creating what we know now as Hartley Field. In early 1942 this site was used for military 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:19.280 pilot training program during World War II and then following that private it was used it's been 00:16:19.280 --> 00:16:27.280 used as a private airfield for flight construction and was stationed a National Guard unit until 1955. 00:16:27.280 --> 00:16:31.920 So that pretty much concludes the historic assets for the northeastern area plan. I'll pause right 00:16:31.920 --> 00:16:35.840 here see if you have any any questions about what we've presented so far with northeast end and I 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:41.920 might have to attack team and I'll call Angie up to answer some questions. I have a question. 00:16:41.920 --> 00:16:50.160 You don't know I always have questions. So with us historic structures and the land what is the 00:16:50.160 --> 00:17:00.880 plan? Is it to leave them? Sure so with the draft of the final plan the implementation strategies 00:17:00.880 --> 00:17:08.720 historic assets will be discussed and a plan will be laid out. Assets like Hartley Field are not a 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:16.640 designated landmark yet and are in the ownership of private individuals so I know there is a desire 00:17:16.640 --> 00:17:23.280 to preserve those assets what that might look like is still to be determined and discussing with that 00:17:23.280 --> 00:17:32.080 private owner is an option I know we are interested in. Is that a desire on the part of the owner of 00:17:32.080 --> 00:17:40.160 the property or just the people in the area? I can't speak to the owner's desires specifically 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:45.920 but I do know of the community members Hartley Field is seen as a valued asset that would 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:52.480 ideally be preserved and restored to whatever it could be. And specifically going back to the farm 00:17:53.520 --> 00:18:02.240 what we want that is what because it's a large amount of land what would be the plan there? 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:08.720 You want me to help? I would love for you. Finally for the record team of earnings that 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:14.560 you record all the services so great question and we don't have all the answers determined on that 00:18:14.560 --> 00:18:19.520 just yet so you know a lot of it depends upon the ownership of you know how it's held under 00:18:19.520 --> 00:18:24.400 his current ownership refresh my memory was that a recorded Texas historic landmark? 00:18:24.400 --> 00:18:33.920 So if this was something that we were interested in maybe locally designating or designated at the 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:38.560 state level then we could work with the property owner and let them know the benefits of designation 00:18:38.560 --> 00:18:44.640 and see where their interests lie from that perspective but a lot of it many times is it's 00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:50.080 educating these private property owners of you know here's a historic asset that we 00:18:50.080 --> 00:18:55.440 you've been able to identify as it relates to your property and you know what are your thoughts 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:59.200 regarding your property and here's some of our ideas is what we think would be in the best 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:03.040 interest of the property and just really working with them. You know back to the question on the 00:19:03.040 --> 00:19:08.800 Hartley Field assets they've had an opportunity to talk with the developer who is interested in 00:19:08.800 --> 00:19:14.960 developing that property one of the things that I flat out told them is that we have a historic asset 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:22.160 here that we're very interested in how that is preserved and for the benefit of the community 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:27.680 and at least started that as part of the conversation and and part of the expectation 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:32.480 that we would like to some come see for so it's a lot of times these things they're part of the 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:37.840 negotiations as property develops and a lot of it comes down to whether or not the property owner 00:19:37.840 --> 00:19:43.680 is willing right and that was the thought it's their individual property owned or the other ones 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:52.320 that were actually have that you know designation are kept up with someone another group but these 00:19:52.320 --> 00:20:00.080 because you look at property owners and they're paying the taxes on them yeah so you can just 00:20:00.080 --> 00:20:06.240 you know negotiations there would be nice for that type of thing too if if possible if it gets to that 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:11.520 yeah I mean our goal is really at the starting point bring to their attention especially because 00:20:11.520 --> 00:20:15.280 if they don't realize that they have this historic asset on their property at least that we've 00:20:15.280 --> 00:20:20.160 identified is getting them educated on the front end I know one of the items on the agenda this 00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:24.800 evening is to talk about the benefits of designation and helping them understand that and what some of 00:20:24.800 --> 00:20:31.680 the trade-offs might be related to that so it's it's just an ongoing conversation and hopefully 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:37.280 finding a way we can have a win-win quick question how many property owners we talk about 00:20:37.280 --> 00:20:44.560 I don't know how many landowners are involved any of the annuals research 00:20:44.560 --> 00:20:51.200 I do not have that but if there's a desire we can we can find out and Cameron can kind of follow up 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:55.920 on a q a portion yeah there's structures there too yeah I was just saying let's throw it beyond 00:20:55.920 --> 00:21:01.120 this a little bit of this in this area you thought obviously some sort of road and some structures 00:21:01.120 --> 00:21:07.600 that are here in this area obviously with with this web road and this piece coming off up here 00:21:07.600 --> 00:21:15.280 so you know and off with mango we've got some other aspects so yeah I will add that this is 00:21:15.280 --> 00:21:22.400 the best rough estimation that we could kind of surmise in reading about this it you know again 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:29.280 this was in the in the 50s and a very large tract of land and we have general bounds by the two 00:21:29.280 --> 00:21:35.840 roads that you see there I believe it's Laney and Collins yeah knowing that it's about 350 acres 00:21:35.840 --> 00:21:44.880 this is to help illustrate and I was just saying before the northeast plan started myself in parks 00:21:44.880 --> 00:21:51.040 were kind of doing some initial research and we had some aerial footage of what it probably 00:21:51.040 --> 00:21:57.520 consisted of there was maybe about two structures those don't exist so the only thing that would 00:21:57.520 --> 00:22:05.200 probably come of this would be a Texas historical narrative marker or a local narrative marker 00:22:05.200 --> 00:22:11.840 due to the fact that there's no true structures in place that we know of there is potentially a 00:22:11.840 --> 00:22:19.360 cemetery that is under a dump site yeah and I know there was a cemetery on site and possibly a well 00:22:19.360 --> 00:22:25.840 right so um but we haven't been able to get access at least before I don't know if they'll be able to 00:22:25.840 --> 00:22:30.960 but at that time when parts and I were talking we were trying to get access but at the same time 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:38.320 there's so much junk in that junkyard and that dump ground oh no that is it's yeah so I grew up 00:22:38.320 --> 00:22:45.360 country I don't know what that is so I'm sorry I don't want to belabor it but 00:22:45.360 --> 00:22:50.960 can I see the big map where this connects to the other historic sites 00:22:51.680 --> 00:23:00.400 you had oh yeah if you go back like a few slides yeah so it's approximately that there so historic 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:05.520 designation I have friends with Randy Hunt who of course does work with different areas that can be 00:23:05.520 --> 00:23:11.440 designated different ways um and one of the things that he talks about when he goes to recruit 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:18.160 homeowners is he will talk to him about here's these kind of tax breaks that this makes you 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:24.560 eligible for right like if something is kind of brought back to kind of historic are we looking 00:23:24.560 --> 00:23:30.080 at a similar possibility here to be able to like get the homeowners to all go in if they get some 00:23:30.080 --> 00:23:36.400 type of so they they do have to be income producing properties so they would have to be rentals 00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:44.560 yeah so you're only eligible for state or federal historic tax incentives if it's an income producing 00:23:44.560 --> 00:23:54.640 property or non-profit oh yeah okay of course but there is a tax advantage if it's a structure 00:23:54.640 --> 00:24:02.000 and if they put money into the structure then they can get a tax um percentage 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:05.840 at the level level that they're designated yes okay that's correct 00:24:08.800 --> 00:24:16.880 I'm a persuasion man I'm always looking for it thank you so well Angie not going to do our quick 00:24:16.880 --> 00:24:26.400 and I will jump to the southeast end of the area plan um okay so the purpose of the southeast end 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:32.800 area plan uh we are all um aware of the the unfair and unjust practices that went on to think of 00:24:32.800 --> 00:24:37.680 within the Quaker Town area that led to the relocation of black families um the displacement 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:44.080 of white families into the southeast end area which um tentatively is sort of a draft boundary 00:24:44.080 --> 00:24:49.200 we have uh bordered by Dallas Drive to the southwest Bell Avenue to the west East McKinney 00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:55.840 Street to the north uh Woodrow Lane to the east and then Shady Oaks and Teezy Lane to the south 00:24:55.840 --> 00:25:02.720 um and so we started off this plan uh what we wanted to focus on were identifying those areas 00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:07.920 that are really important to the residents and stakeholders so both the property owners current 00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:13.760 residents who live in the southeast end area um to give us some ideas for future improvements 00:25:13.760 --> 00:25:18.880 things on the city side that we've controlled but also help us respond to development inquiries based 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:23.760 on um like I said what that that feedback from those residents and those stakeholders were um 00:25:23.760 --> 00:25:28.800 really really emphasizing that input really emphasizing that feedback from the residents 00:25:28.800 --> 00:25:35.200 and from the stakeholders making sure that what we have as a part of this plan is is truly driven by 00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:40.960 that community um that was the emphasis that's been our our approach and Julie will when I bring her 00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:45.600 up we'll talk about some of those public engagement efforts that we've done to make sure that we're 00:25:45.600 --> 00:25:50.080 really capturing the voices of those both the existing long-time residents the newer residents 00:25:50.080 --> 00:25:55.760 and those business owners and property owners within the southeast end area plan and of course 00:25:55.760 --> 00:25:59.360 ultimately in the end what we want to be able to do with this area plan is make 00:25:59.360 --> 00:26:04.640 recommendations for capital improvements and the necessary policy changes based on what we heard 00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:09.280 from the residents and stakeholders in this area and so with that similar to the northeast end area 00:26:09.280 --> 00:26:16.640 plan of course we set a plan to adopt or help us get through this planning effort this area 00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:21.600 planning effort we started we broke it up into four major phases and then with the fifth being 00:26:21.600 --> 00:26:27.360 implementation once once the plan is adopted the first phase is that discovery phase where like I 00:26:27.360 --> 00:26:32.560 said we really went out and talked to the residents um or I'm sorry got an understanding of what's on 00:26:32.560 --> 00:26:36.560 the ground and what's um what are some of those things that you can observe just sort of driving 00:26:36.560 --> 00:26:40.880 around from the outside looking in and then the five phases when we ran out and really talked to 00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:45.760 the residents we held the some listening sessions we did some intercept surveys like I said Julie 00:26:45.760 --> 00:26:51.840 we'll talk about some of those efforts here in a second like I said getting the input from the 00:26:51.840 --> 00:26:58.080 residents and the community members the stakeholders from the southeast end area and taking building 00:26:58.080 --> 00:27:04.320 off what we learned from the discovery phase into the defined phase and asking hey we observed this 00:27:04.320 --> 00:27:10.000 within you know this first portion of this planning exercise did we observe this correctly what are 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:15.040 your thoughts on the things that we observed as residents as the people who use this environment 00:27:15.040 --> 00:27:20.880 on a daily date on a day-to-day basis next we will jump into or we are jumping into the development 00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:25.760 phase of the southeastern area plan where we'll take both of the things that we observe and the 00:27:25.760 --> 00:27:31.920 things that we've heard from the community and the stakeholders into some draft plans 00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:37.680 implementation brainstorming workshops we'll bring that forward to planning a zoning commission and 00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:44.000 the city council to get their feedback again part of the planning effort is we're building on top 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:48.960 of these different things and making sure that so far are we hearing from the stakeholders are we 00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:54.480 hearing it correctly and are we putting that plan together properly and then finally we'll get into 00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:59.680 deliver where we have that final draft of the area plan bringing that to planning and zoning 00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:04.240 commission by way of a public hearing as well as city council for public hearing and final adoption 00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:11.280 and then the fund is the implementation phase of the of the plan where we actually have policy 00:28:11.280 --> 00:28:17.200 guidelines and policy changes and again if you know future land use map that again helps us respond 00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:23.840 to those development questions and inquiries that we receive so that we know how to how to move 00:28:23.840 --> 00:28:31.600 forward and with that i will hand it over to julie wyatt who's our project manager to talk about some 00:28:31.600 --> 00:28:40.560 of that in public public engagement efforts that we've done hi julie wyatt and just before i get 00:28:40.560 --> 00:28:47.680 started i put a button at each of your um places you could put one on your hat if you want right 00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:59.520 but so with our public engagement so each plan is a little different um if on northeast they started 00:28:59.520 --> 00:29:04.160 with those stakeholder interviews and then went to visioning well we took a different approach 00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:10.720 with that southeastern um mia mentioned that traumatic past of southeastern in quaker town and 00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:17.680 and so the first thing we wanted to do was go out and listen to the community it was really important 00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:24.880 to our our project team and our consultant and so that's where we started so we started with the 00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:33.040 first round of listening sessions um in april we had five sessions and um in person and then one 00:29:33.040 --> 00:29:38.240 virtual we had about 60 attendees um and we're going to talk about the questions that they asked 00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:46.160 in just a second because they were some tough questions um we uh after after we had that first 00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:53.760 listening session we we realized that we really hadn't gotten enough um uh most of the attendees 00:29:53.760 --> 00:30:05.360 at that first um um session of listening sessions were uh people in um over 65 um kind of that older 00:30:05.360 --> 00:30:11.520 um generation but when we when we did look at the demographics of denton and southeast denton we 00:30:11.520 --> 00:30:16.720 realized that denton is a young city um we have two colleges here and we've got a lot of young 00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:21.920 people and we weren't hearing from those young people um we also realized we hadn't heard from 00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:28.480 all of the demographic groups within southeastern we hadn't heard from the hispanic the latino um 00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:33.440 population and we wanted to make sure we heard from everybody so we had a second round of listening 00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:40.080 sessions in june and and um we pivoted a little bit we made sure we had an interpreter there so 00:30:40.080 --> 00:30:45.120 that all members of the community felt like they could participate we made it made sure that all of 00:30:45.120 --> 00:30:52.720 our advertising was in english and spanish and we had two more in-person listening sessions at that 00:30:52.720 --> 00:31:00.000 time um so some of the questions that were asked were um or or these were the 10 questions so how 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:04.400 do you feel about living in denton today are there places in denton you don't feel welcome 00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:10.240 where do you feel welcome do you feel that southeast denton has been neglected underserved 00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:16.320 or did not receive its fair share of resources um have there been has there been harm or unjust 00:31:16.320 --> 00:31:22.480 practices done in denton that you'd like to share um what is your relationship with the city of denton 00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:27.920 what is your assessment of housing choice do you support multifamily development are you concerned 00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:34.240 about displacement or gentrification how do you evaluate those park systems or other infrastructure 00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:38.960 and then do you have about any concerns about proposed development projects so those questions 00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:46.800 were posed to the community um and they gave a lot of really good feedback um also with that 00:31:46.800 --> 00:31:51.440 second round of listening sessions we did something called intercept surveys because we realized not 00:31:51.440 --> 00:32:00.720 everybody is going to come to a community meeting uh and so we we went to the street and uh we talked 00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:09.840 to parents as they were picking up kids from the mlk center um we also talked to um uh people on 00:32:09.840 --> 00:32:16.880 the street at uh at a local restaurant we looked at google to see when those restaurants were the 00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:23.200 most popular and then we made sure we were there at that time we had interpreters so we could make 00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:29.440 sure that we could talk to all of the community members um and and then we um and we just interviewed 00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:37.280 people as they walked by and it was amazing uh we heard from a ton of people i think tina 75 or i've 00:32:37.280 --> 00:32:43.040 also heard 109 so i don't quite know how our consultant is is analyzing this data but we 00:32:43.040 --> 00:32:49.200 heard from a lot of people um and our translators were were so funny they got so into it and one 00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:57.600 lady got into the car with someone and just that it was really hot so um let's just say keep in mind 00:32:57.600 --> 00:33:03.360 it was like over 100 degrees and they're outside doing this yes so um so we've really got really 00:33:03.360 --> 00:33:11.840 great um some uh great feedback and um we're really glad that we we did that um so some key 00:33:11.840 --> 00:33:18.560 things that we heard from these listening sessions and the surveys is that um those unjust practices 00:33:18.560 --> 00:33:24.720 have not been forgotten um and they are uh the residents are frustrated by the lack of communication 00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:29.040 regarding the road construction project i don't know if you've driven through southeast denton 00:33:29.040 --> 00:33:33.760 recently but it feels like almost every road in southeast denton is currently under construction 00:33:33.760 --> 00:33:47.680 yes you know me and i have driven southeast denton um on a weekly basis for for the last 00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:54.800 since february and and we recently drove down the street me as like i've never been on the street before 00:33:54.800 --> 00:34:02.240 so but we did hear that um from the residents that there was there they wanted to hear more 00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:09.360 communication um speeding on local streets is a concern um we talked in a meeting this morning 00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:16.800 about how um with with the newly paved streets residents are realizing just how wide some of 00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:23.360 those streets in southeast denton are and so um they're worried about speeding parks and community 00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:28.880 facilities are cherished amenities fred moore park is just one of like it's just a gem in our 00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:34.960 community and it's one of the best situated parks um just in the neighborhood so it really is well 00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:41.920 loved there are mixed feelings about housing and affordability um and and as tina has rightly 00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:47.920 pointed out our first round of listening sessions was timed not great and that everyone got their 00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:56.240 new appraised value that week so there was a lot there was a lot of talk about about increased 00:34:56.240 --> 00:35:03.280 property values and the concerns about how that was going to impact families um residents feel 00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:11.360 that change is coming and um and they also want to hear more from us about planning and rezoning 00:35:12.160 --> 00:35:16.240 and that the city can improve its relationship with the community and that the infrastructure 00:35:16.240 --> 00:35:22.160 must be improved so um that first round of listening sessions staff actually wasn't invited 00:35:22.160 --> 00:35:27.120 that the the consultant really really wanted to hear from the community in a way that was 00:35:27.120 --> 00:35:32.960 unvarnished and that they would tell the you know give us the good the bad and the ugly and 00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:38.400 we feel really fortunate that that there was a lot of honesty and candor with the community 00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:45.680 um but there is hope for the future there's hope to improve race relations and get more unity and 00:35:45.680 --> 00:35:53.760 harmony that we have opportunities to improve our communication and provide opportunities for the 00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:59.600 younger generation to live and work in denim you know these area plans we're not planning for the 00:35:59.600 --> 00:36:05.440 for the people who who live there now we're we're we're planning for kids their kids and 00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:11.280 their kids kids and so we want to keep that in mind how do we how do we keep our kids in debt and how 00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:16.800 do we make it a place where they want to set up businesses and buy homes and and raise their 00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:22.240 families um some residents would support new development um if they were held harmless from 00:36:22.240 --> 00:36:28.400 the increase in property value um keeping those property taxes stable that um like i said everybody 00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:35.200 got their tax bill at that same time um we want to help alleviate concerns related to development 00:36:35.200 --> 00:36:40.720 um gentrification concerns and displacement fears once again stabilize those property value 00:36:40.720 --> 00:36:46.880 increases um and acknowledge that past harm from those unjust practices and and quaker town 00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:57.440 so based upon those um those key themes we had a visioning workshop so we had this at the beginning 00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:06.640 of august yes and um it was in the community it was at the american legion hall and the intent was 00:37:06.640 --> 00:37:12.560 to provide a community meeting with hands-on exercises we wanted to get feedback on our ideal 00:37:12.560 --> 00:37:18.080 street networks on our housing needs the share their visit of the community's vision for parks 00:37:18.080 --> 00:37:23.840 and the ideas for community um and so first uh so we're just going to talk about some of the boards 00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:27.440 and how those relate to those key themes so first i'm going to hear like what do you love about 00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:33.440 southeast end why why are you here um and then what is the community's dream for southeast end 00:37:33.440 --> 00:37:38.160 now we're not as far along and our planning efforts is northeast so we don't have all this 00:37:38.160 --> 00:37:42.160 data back but did want to share with you kind of what was discussed and what we wanted to hear from 00:37:42.160 --> 00:37:49.680 the community um we had a map at the visioning workshop about where the community wanted to see 00:37:49.680 --> 00:37:56.160 change um you know part part of both of these plans is we we want to hear from the community 00:37:56.160 --> 00:38:00.560 what areas do you want to preserve what is really near and dear to your heart and then where do you 00:38:00.560 --> 00:38:06.800 want to see that change and so we provided a map show them where those residential areas are 00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:11.680 and where the parks are and then where those undeveloped properties are so they can see maybe 00:38:11.680 --> 00:38:19.440 where there could be impacts um and then i think we talked about earlier um what is the boundary 00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:24.240 southeast end and how does that how does that relate to downtown because it's been a really big 00:38:24.240 --> 00:38:34.000 conversation and so we had our our project team had a light board so almost like a light bright 00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:40.320 everybody remembers that and they put a map down and then they allowed we tracing paper and allow 00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:46.880 community members to draw what they think southeast dent is and i think tina mentioned it it it went 00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:54.080 all the way some all the way up to bingo down to the mall so they're piling that data and so we can 00:38:54.080 --> 00:39:01.360 get a good a good boundary map not only it just the starting point that we use which was based upon 00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:08.080 an area plan that was done in 2000 but you know how the community defines itself today 00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:18.240 all right oh we talked about you know we heard we heard about unsafe streets 00:39:18.240 --> 00:39:25.680 and so we wanted to hear like where are those hot spots um where what are your concerns we 00:39:25.680 --> 00:39:33.440 hear about speeding on more street we hear about parents queuing up um to drop off kids at revera 00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:41.920 elementary we heard about um just on a micro level the um if you're if you're on wilson and 00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:47.200 you're trying to turn on leaky it can be really difficult to see and so maybe there need to be 00:39:47.200 --> 00:39:51.680 more stop signs there so we had really good conversations with the community about just 00:39:51.680 --> 00:39:58.640 those actionable items um that that they would like to see we talked about parks and trails 00:39:58.640 --> 00:40:04.960 um as i mentioned you know um fred moore park is a beloved park within the community but how 00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:12.160 can we be better um what what kind of trails would you like to see uh parks is looking to um 00:40:12.160 --> 00:40:18.720 add more to the slash pad at carl young park so what do we want to see what kind of improvements 00:40:18.720 --> 00:40:24.800 do we want to see in that area um and then this is where it gets to historic so we have a lot of 00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:32.240 historic assets in southeast and cameron shared with me that i 1996 historic resource survey and 00:40:32.240 --> 00:40:38.880 you look at that data and we've got some great structures and history within south east and so 00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:44.400 as part of that cameron met with our project team and really gave them kind of a lay of the land 00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:49.360 about historic preservation in texas and how we can use that to improve our neighborhoods in our 00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:56.800 community and so um and so they added that to the boards and um and she and cameron was holding 00:40:56.800 --> 00:41:02.240 court at the at the visioning she was one of the most popular corners at the visioning workshop 00:41:02.240 --> 00:41:10.000 because because um residents were to put dots on what what they felt was important and so she talked 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:13.920 to the community about you know how to create historic districts what you would need to do to 00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:19.920 create historic districts and then what the benefits are for that um that you can um you know part of 00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:24.000 what we've heard about is that neighborhood character and and that is really important to 00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:29.760 community and so how you can um create either historic districts or conservation districts 00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:34.160 to preserve that character you know maybe there's some architectural elements there are themes 00:41:34.160 --> 00:41:40.320 throughout southeast end so how do we make sure that we encourage those kinds of um architectural 00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:45.760 themes and then and then what kind of tax credits you can get um because as as i mentioned 00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:52.240 gentrification and displacement was one of those concerns and if if um investment in properties can 00:41:52.240 --> 00:41:58.080 be um can be credited back in in property taxes and that really helps the community overall 00:41:58.080 --> 00:42:04.480 so we got some great conversation and i'm sure that this is going to continue to inform the plan 00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:10.800 and so that really concludes our discussion of southeast we're going to be coming by with more 00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:16.400 more public engagement so keep your ears out we'd love to see y'all there if you have any questions 00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:24.480 quick question for y'all so you mentioned the american legion where on did you hold these 00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:31.440 listening things did y'all go to church we you um american legion and then mlk were the were where 00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:37.600 we held the listening sessions um the intercept surveys we held um we had a booth at juneteenth 00:42:37.600 --> 00:42:45.120 um we also had um we had like i said we were set up at mlk um and then we also 00:42:45.680 --> 00:42:52.000 chose a restaurant along mckinney to try to capture um those community members you know one 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:56.240 thing that we've learned and i i didn't put this slide in but we've had a lot of lessons along with 00:42:56.240 --> 00:43:03.360 this so it's been really um we we've tried to um make sure that we think about every every step 00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:10.800 that we've taken and how we can do better and what we need to do as we build and um and you know we 00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:16.640 we did postcards mailings to the community members to to get them to come out to the community 00:43:16.640 --> 00:43:23.280 but we also took out flyers so we've we now have a little route that mia and i drive to to take out 00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:31.280 flyers for each um to for each um event when we take out flyers we take a member of staff who can 00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:37.760 speak spanish so we can make sure that we can um have those restaurants along mckinney um so we can 00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:41.360 talk to them about the plan and make sure that they understand what the flyers for 00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:48.960 um we also uh help we handed out flyers at mlk during the back to school to give them to parents 00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:54.560 so we're really trying to um we've got social media pushes that we're doing so we're really 00:43:54.560 --> 00:44:00.320 trying to get the word out as much as possible um talk about the technology and then also the 00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:04.560 other connections that you've made within the community that the people so that like we've 00:44:04.560 --> 00:44:09.600 learned from a technology standpoint that they're more old school yes that is a good so we've heard 00:44:09.600 --> 00:44:14.800 from the community they really miss getting a daily paper every day they want you know the 00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:22.480 community community has indicated that really social media is not how to reach a lot of of of 00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:27.200 the residents now we're still doing it because we want we want high school kids to participate 00:44:27.200 --> 00:44:34.160 um but yeah tina's right the best success we've had is really just being in the community going 00:44:34.160 --> 00:44:39.120 to sedna meetings going to we like meetings me and i did the career fair at fred moore 00:44:39.120 --> 00:44:47.200 um maybe to inspire the next generation of planners and relationships with the pastors 00:44:47.200 --> 00:44:53.520 in the community yes forming relationships with the pastors in the community and so uh and then 00:44:53.520 --> 00:45:00.240 and then um you know asking who can you introduce us to so that's really how we've been successful 00:45:00.240 --> 00:45:05.360 is those personal relationships with the community thanks for making that extra effort yeah see that 00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:09.200 i'm very much appreciated yeah on the way that's all i was going to ask you said there's a sense 00:45:09.200 --> 00:45:13.200 from the community that they feel the change is coming is that coming from a place of apprehension 00:45:13.200 --> 00:45:21.120 or excitement or what how would you characterize that um apprehension is hot um well some of the 00:45:21.120 --> 00:45:28.400 part is um apprehension i think we've had some that um um maybe some of the younger generation 00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:33.200 um maybe a little more excited so um but i think older generations that are within the 00:45:33.200 --> 00:45:38.960 neighborhoods apprehension um part of that stems from a project that um julie if you want to point 00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:44.480 it out um it stems from a project a multi-family project that the zoning intolerance were in place 00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:49.440 to allow them to develop the property and so um it hints a lot of the conversation about what do 00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:54.240 people consider the boundaries of southeast town and why we were asking them because the area that 00:45:54.240 --> 00:46:01.680 is um that used to be what was that the trinity construction site or industrial site um you know 00:46:01.680 --> 00:46:07.200 what what was interesting is we heard from one of our steering committee members um at our last 00:46:07.200 --> 00:46:13.600 steering committee meaning that it's interesting um what people benchmark against and and i didn't 00:46:13.600 --> 00:46:17.760 i didn't realize it um but it was interesting hearing his perspective because he looked at it 00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:23.840 he remembers a time when that was the trinity industry site that it maybe had a hundred people 00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:28.320 that worked there that came and went and then it had maybe 50 trucks daily that came and went from 00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:34.640 that site so he remembers a time of that number of employees and the traffic associated with it and 00:46:34.640 --> 00:46:40.080 the number of trucks coming and go and so then he counterbalances that with now if it's being 00:46:40.080 --> 00:46:44.480 developed as multi-family um the number of units that are going there going in there and the 00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:48.880 potential number of people that could be coming and going the number of people obviously is much 00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:54.800 greater compared to what was there previously um you know some might think of the trinity industry 00:46:54.800 --> 00:47:02.640 site as um noisy pollutants in the area more industrial um nature operations where uh might 00:47:02.640 --> 00:47:09.440 not want to necessarily live next to that kind of heavier industrial operation but haven't heard so 00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:15.600 much of that concern of of the yesteryear right of having to live next to that um so i thought 00:47:15.600 --> 00:47:20.400 that was kind of an interesting counterbalance as it relates to that site but but we know um that 00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:26.480 that area around the train station is um of interest to some um hence you know trying to 00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:30.400 have that conversation with people what you do what do you consider southeast denton do you consider 00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:34.960 the area around the train station as part of southeast denton um i know lenny brought up 00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:40.400 um a couple months ago when we were talking about doing the area plan um conversation is 00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:44.800 you know there's something in the community that are concerned that we're trying to expand downtown 00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:49.440 into southeast denton and trying to understand that narrative also one of the things that we 00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:54.080 challenged the steering committee with at the last meeting is you know we need all of our areas of 00:47:54.080 --> 00:47:59.600 denton to be successful and and how do the two areas support each other are there opportunities 00:47:59.600 --> 00:48:05.600 in downtown that could provide benefits for the residents of southeast denton and really trying 00:48:05.600 --> 00:48:12.880 to engage in that conversation as well so it's um we don't have the answer yet on that one we're 00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:16.480 still trying to work with the community as it relates to that particular aspect 00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:26.960 i have a question so you mentioned the younger generation and can put thoughts around with that 00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:34.640 younger generation how we can keep the knowledge of the history there even though it was a horrible 00:48:34.640 --> 00:48:44.000 thing to transplant you know from quaker town and but i mean should we do that like you know 00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:49.600 what i mean it's like how do you keep that because the younger kids do they know about it do they 00:48:49.600 --> 00:48:55.440 appreciate where they are you know i just think of all these things and then i think about so i've 00:48:55.440 --> 00:49:01.600 got a multi question here then i think about if we were able to take different areas and 00:49:01.600 --> 00:49:10.000 designate them historic then you could do a sign you know what i mean that to really to show that 00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:16.160 so i've just wondered if that's been part of any discussion well we don't have the implementation 00:49:16.160 --> 00:49:20.000 yet but i would say that is a theme that we've talked about with the steering committee and with 00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:25.360 the community and that like this was the logo that the steering committee chose and they were very 00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:31.040 they wanted the the tree to show those roots because that was a really important aspect that 00:49:31.040 --> 00:49:40.080 that history of the of the community stays stays at the floor and that it's we understand that 00:49:40.080 --> 00:49:46.720 i was going to add angie to your question about you know communicating the story right so one of 00:49:46.720 --> 00:49:51.600 the things that our parks team is working on and my apologies shawn if this is in your in 00:49:51.600 --> 00:49:56.800 cameron's presentation but one of the things that our parks team is working on is really helping 00:49:56.800 --> 00:50:02.080 document that story and so the city is taking an active role in in helping that i know we've 00:50:02.080 --> 00:50:07.040 provided a financial support towards the documentary film that i believe is also being produced to be 00:50:07.040 --> 00:50:12.320 able to help tell the story of the events of quaker town one of the key components i will 00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:15.600 completely start to steal the thunder but one of the key components of the next project that's 00:50:15.600 --> 00:50:21.840 going to be presented on is addressing that aspect in working on quaker town park and 00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:29.600 in how we address not only the um the the events of the past i'm trying to think of cameron put 00:50:29.600 --> 00:50:34.960 this so eloquently the other day i was in a meeting with her um it's how do we embrace and 00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:41.920 document the the events of the past so 100 years ago combine that with the the o'neill ford um 00:50:41.920 --> 00:50:46.960 historical features that are there right and and how do we have both of those two historical time 00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:52.720 periods being able to be represented and telling the story of denton from that aspect so that the 00:50:52.720 --> 00:50:58.240 we're still working on health on on what that store how that story plays out it is communicated 00:50:58.240 --> 00:51:05.600 because back for the area plan and i was one interviewed with people with that when they 00:51:05.600 --> 00:51:10.160 were putting that together and i'm just wondering on the things that were said with that because i 00:51:10.160 --> 00:51:16.480 i distinctly remember some of the things that i said and it was you know we need to be cautious 00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:22.800 about what's butting up against our historic districts we we have to know you know and be 00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:29.280 mindful of those things uh also be mindful of things that are being torn down in the history 00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:36.480 that could because this last week we had a church right behind my house torn down and that was 00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:43.600 something from that community from bell avenue that now it's gone away and and those are significant 00:51:43.600 --> 00:51:48.960 things to me of communities that we have to be mindful of and so for this i just want to keep that 00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:59.440 um in a mine for or for the whole plan and for that history to not lose the history of how they 00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:06.640 if how it was created yeah i went to the last week's meeting i was just showing one of this 00:52:06.640 --> 00:52:12.480 puerpertown documentary the city is funded and they're getting excited about that um they're 00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:19.120 starting to build some real energy there around it and i feel like that's creating there are more 00:52:19.120 --> 00:52:27.760 younger people getting interested in that aspect than i've seen prior right so that's you're both 00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:32.560 nodding vigorously yeah we we went to the thursday night meeting okay and i volunteered cameron's 00:52:32.560 --> 00:52:46.480 social media uh expertise for them i already got the email she's really good yeah well and also 00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:56.640 um twu i know twu is doing a um five million dollar thank you um memorial in honor of puerpertown 00:52:56.640 --> 00:53:01.440 yep it's and it's going to be in the old golf course or that's part of the section i know um i 00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:05.680 don't know tons of detail but i it's close to five million dollars that they're putting in it's going 00:53:05.680 --> 00:53:09.840 to be amphitheater and there's going to be a lot of different plaques sharing the narrative of what 00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:16.240 happened um i've heard great things that it's going to be really nice um but that's what another 00:53:16.240 --> 00:53:22.560 project that's happening in parallel with the docu series in parallel with also what's happening 00:53:22.560 --> 00:53:28.560 with downtown and then also in southeast so there's tons and tons of projects going on right now which 00:53:28.560 --> 00:53:35.120 is amazing um talking about that history and really bringing light to it finally outside of a book so 00:53:35.120 --> 00:53:43.600 i'm excited to kind of see what's going on that's amazing um thank you because that that helps a lot 00:53:43.600 --> 00:53:50.960 because they're i feel like i i do a lot of work trying to keep track of what these different 00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:56.560 projects are doing and the more that i know the more excited i get and try to think about ways how 00:53:56.560 --> 00:54:02.160 can we connect them can we connect trails can we connect right like these different places and have 00:54:02.160 --> 00:54:10.640 a southeastern tour for something along those lines is there any talk about removing that god-awful 00:54:10.640 --> 00:54:18.240 cement plant which is a more recent addition to the area it really is 00:54:23.120 --> 00:54:31.600 it's off of prairie so um i know there has been i believe that's the site that there's been some 00:54:31.600 --> 00:54:40.000 interest in um by someone council um on how can we help find them an opportunity for a new home 00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:46.160 and um but i don't know how much progress is made on that it's um you know the other challenge is 00:54:46.160 --> 00:54:52.400 having a willing business having a business that's willing to relocate and move themselves and um and 00:54:53.200 --> 00:55:00.000 you know um trying to find them a place where works from them from their business model also 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:06.640 from an environmental quality standpoint and working with tcaq but but we recognize that um 00:55:06.640 --> 00:55:13.120 yeah when when it comes to very intense uses like that especially when they're near our residential 00:55:13.120 --> 00:55:17.680 areas and also you know like southeast end and then on the edge of our downtown that 00:55:18.720 --> 00:55:24.000 we would like to find them hopefully in another place where they could be as equally successful 00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:30.160 if not more successful and to find ways to incentivize that right and we're thinking 00:55:30.160 --> 00:55:38.160 future here take not give permits for those types of things to really give in to this is what you 00:55:38.160 --> 00:55:42.640 want to do with this property we're not going to give you a permit for that it's not well so i mean 00:55:42.640 --> 00:55:50.800 because i know said it got there somehow well it will but but it's been there you know it's been 00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:56.880 there for some time right it wasn't there when i lived there how long ago was that when i moved 00:55:56.880 --> 00:56:06.400 out in i think 72 okay so the zoning that was in place at that time allowed for that used to occur 00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:15.120 there when um zoning can change but in a business still remains in operation but they have rights 00:56:15.120 --> 00:56:19.120 under federal law and case law that allow them to continue to be able to operate there 00:56:19.120 --> 00:56:25.360 we could make it somewhat uncomfortable from a non-conforming use standpoint and put limitations 00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:31.280 on when it comes to expansions of non-conforming uses so there there are some things that we have 00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:39.760 done know that though in bed when it comes to non-conforming uses we we are we are are flexible 00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:44.640 compared to some other communities that i've worked in i think there was a big zoning change 00:56:44.640 --> 00:56:51.680 in like 69 or something i know some of that area there used to have industrial zoning on it um and 00:56:51.680 --> 00:56:56.640 we're looking at some old maps the other day um and that's part of the challenging communities 00:56:56.640 --> 00:57:02.400 right where you had an area that was maybe on the edge of town or an area that did not have all of 00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:08.320 the development that exists around it today and so that was the industrial area of the community 00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:14.320 had industrial zoning businesses have moved in buildings have um located there and some of them 00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:21.360 have continued to remain and in being in operation there and unfortunately those are the challenges 00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:26.000 that we deal with continuing today so hence why you know would love to find them potentially 00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:30.640 another opportunity where they could relocate and be um just as successful if not even more 00:57:30.640 --> 00:57:38.160 successful um and and um so that we can help better position that part of our community 00:57:38.160 --> 00:57:43.600 for the longer term but i can't i can't force them out right they've got rights from a land view 00:57:43.600 --> 00:57:48.560 standpoint that are allowed to be there and they've got to be willing to want to move 00:57:50.160 --> 00:57:56.320 you're but you're right the zoning um we had a new zoning code in 1969 and then they updated it in 00:57:56.320 --> 00:58:03.360 91 and then i believe with the 2002 development code a lot of that property changed from that 00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:10.000 industrial zoning to that downtown that old downtown zoning which is kind of how that 00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:15.600 addition that changed that zoning has changed in that area i was just going to say camera you 00:58:15.600 --> 00:58:19.040 know something other than a book or whatever seems like we have a documentary coming out that's 00:58:19.040 --> 00:58:24.320 fabulous it seems like they also developed on the same time the podcast there's not a week goes by 00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:35.200 someone's talking about another historical podcast you know is there one i know he's not doing it 00:58:35.200 --> 00:58:41.200 anymore when there's something else was it about quicker count it was it was just generally a dent 00:58:41.200 --> 00:58:50.400 deemed i was gonna say yeah sean got me roped into a podcast i think i've been on the job less than a 00:58:50.400 --> 00:59:00.480 he had kids and it would cost probably a tenth of what that multimedia 00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:08.400 well if we can talk to discover dent and they've got a downtown studio there 00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:15.920 and that's true but if they have the facilities existing i would be fabulous 00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:27.280 okay so on to the downtown plant update you all are the first ones to see this branding package 00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:33.840 here so staff has seen it it just launched last week so y'all are the first so hopefully you like it 00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:43.280 um but uh the title of it is designed downtown dentin um just a little bit of project background 00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:51.360 uh it the first downtown master plan was done in 2002 it needs to be updated obviously 00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:58.240 you need to see what's working has worked over the past 20 years um and really start to talk about 00:59:58.240 --> 01:00:04.000 the priorities for downturn in terms of growth looking at open space where it needs to be added 01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:09.120 potentially parking that's the number one thing that we always hear is there's parking issues 01:00:09.120 --> 01:00:17.360 downtown um the lack of housing that we're dealing with mobility multimodal transportation um kind of 01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:24.160 also connecting to the connectivity and also preservation of what's existing um so as i stated 01:00:24.160 --> 01:00:30.720 the purpose of it is to update that existing downtown plan from 2002 uh respond to development 01:00:30.720 --> 01:00:35.120 interests especially as that southern portion comes out of the floodplain right there along 01:00:35.120 --> 01:00:40.560 elm and locust uh positioned downtown for really that long-term success over the next 20 years and 01:00:40.560 --> 01:00:46.800 into the future um address how downtown really relates to those neighboring communities so 01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:52.640 southeast dentin those historic neighborhoods to the west over carol boulevard of hickory historic 01:00:52.640 --> 01:00:58.800 district um and then also as part of this plan it's also incorporating quaker town park uh so 01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:04.000 i'm going to invite sean jacobsen up he's going to go a little bit more in detail but uh that's the 01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:15.920 project background thank you so sean jacobsen assistant project manager on that one of the 01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:20.800 things we really enjoyed is our consultants actually took the various parts of the logo and 01:01:20.800 --> 01:01:25.920 broke that out into kind of the key aspects of our plan here so you'll see development and small 01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:31.200 business so it's very important for us to look at how we can encourage and promote a great 01:01:31.200 --> 01:01:36.560 environment for our small businesses to continue to succeed and see more of that mobility looking 01:01:36.560 --> 01:01:41.760 at encouraging better mobility across the board whether that's walking biking we do have a separate 01:01:41.760 --> 01:01:47.520 parking study going on and just looking at how we can best manage that uh cultural and arts so how 01:01:47.520 --> 01:01:52.720 do we create more spaces to encourage the wonderful arts and music scene we have to keep doing we have 01:01:52.720 --> 01:01:57.040 to encourage more of that course historic preservation and you know we know that's an 01:01:57.040 --> 01:02:01.760 incredibly important part of our downtown what makes part of what makes den den is square but 01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:05.680 then a lot of historic buildings around it i was we're doing a small business survey right now 01:02:05.680 --> 01:02:10.000 and i was in a building i never really thought of as like part of historic downtown and the 01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:13.680 owner saying yeah that's one of the reasons we chose this for our businesses we really like the 01:02:13.680 --> 01:02:17.840 history of this like that's good to hear we're like three blocks from the square and we're still 01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:22.160 talking about history that's wonderful and then of course parks and public spaces not only 01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:29.360 looking for that new design for quayertown park that really honors history there but also at are 01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:34.000 there opportunities for other locations for parks and trails in downtown increase in that green space 01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:40.080 in a way that benefits current and future residents so our overall project schedule we're right at the 01:02:40.080 --> 01:02:44.800 beginning right now we're in phase one we're looking at this to run most likely to adoption 01:02:44.800 --> 01:02:50.480 in june hopefully but right now just getting started phases there understand so right now 01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:56.720 really trying to gather data we've done quite a number of interviews we're also getting into 01:02:56.720 --> 01:03:00.720 the heart of our public engagement so really hearing from the community and also gathering 01:03:00.720 --> 01:03:07.680 a ton of data that'll go into envision so looking at the engagement summary reaching out to the 01:03:07.680 --> 01:03:12.640 community and starting to synthesize everything that we're gathering and our consultants doing 01:03:12.640 --> 01:03:17.440 that to begin to look at all right so what is the vision for downtown so going into phase three then 01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:23.440 beginning to put together an action plan for all right where do we want to go how do we get there 01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:28.160 and then finally that adoption period where we take that to our boards and commission city council 01:03:28.160 --> 01:03:34.160 and put that into something that is truly implementable we actually did have a phase 01:03:34.160 --> 01:03:39.200 zero before phase one and our consultants came in they took both a driving and a walking tour 01:03:39.200 --> 01:03:44.480 of downtown and at the end of it they they told us you guys are in a great place because denton 01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:49.200 loves dentons sometimes we have to start by getting people who love downtown you guys have that covered 01:03:49.200 --> 01:03:54.800 there was very much of a sense we don't want to break what you already have we just want to build 01:03:54.800 --> 01:03:58.880 on the great things you have here and also one of the things i appreciate from the historic 01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:03.680 preservation perspective uh overall we're working with a team called men collaborative but they've 01:04:03.680 --> 01:04:09.920 brought in a specific historic preservation team from post oak so we have dedicated historic 01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:14.720 preservation consultants on this plan if we're looking at our current historic preservation 01:04:14.720 --> 01:04:18.880 documents including denton square district and looking at all right so where might there be 01:04:18.880 --> 01:04:23.120 areas to improve this where might we be able to look at design standards and really looking 01:04:23.120 --> 01:04:28.880 obviously the history of whitetown park the o'neill ford legacy but that is a key stream of this where 01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:34.800 we have dedicated professionals who are excited to preserve and protect and increase our protections 01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:41.600 for our downtown history so again you can see here we work with staff we actually took that 01:04:41.600 --> 01:04:46.640 walking tour we're now in phase one where we're really getting to go out to the community we're 01:04:46.640 --> 01:04:52.000 out at arts and autos we got to talk with a bunch of families hear from people both uh who live in 01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:56.160 denton and also people who visit denton because we need both of that to have a thriving downtown 01:04:56.160 --> 01:05:00.240 we got a bunch of great feedback from people about what they love about downtown and also what they'd 01:05:00.240 --> 01:05:05.440 like to see and you're going to see a lot more of us we're going to be out uh at blues fest we're 01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:11.760 going to be out at jazz fest we'll be doing even going out to libraries and rec centers so 01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:17.360 particularly in september october even a little bit in november really reaching out here from the 01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:22.240 community we're going to have we've got a preview of our online site today there's going to be some 01:05:22.240 --> 01:05:27.520 cool community survey things including a photo contest the opportunity to put different comments 01:05:27.520 --> 01:05:33.200 on a map tell us what you love what you want to see we're going to have qr codes on coasters out 01:05:33.200 --> 01:05:38.400 of downtown businesses to encourage and many people as possible to take that survey we really 01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:43.760 appreciate y'all keep an eye on that so if you go to disgust and we'll have a link to the page there 01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:48.560 please get that out we want to hear from the entire city this is about downtown but it belongs to 01:05:48.560 --> 01:05:53.120 everybody so we want to get feedback from as many folks as possible particularly over these next few 01:05:53.120 --> 01:05:58.880 weeks but definitely look for swing by our table we're excited so again we have our first advisory 01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:04.640 group meeting coming up this week we have a 20 member team we're really excited just across the 01:06:04.640 --> 01:06:09.360 board representing those key stakeholder groups our consultants are going to be in town so we'll be at 01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:16.160 a parking day on on friday blues fest on saturday and sunday you want to come by and see us there 01:06:16.160 --> 01:06:21.840 community survey will be launching and then as i said ongoing public engagement really focusing 01:06:21.840 --> 01:06:26.720 on bringing in as much information as we possibly can at the front end so that that will drive then 01:06:26.720 --> 01:06:32.000 what is the vision for downtown and then from there what are the action steps that take us to 01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:39.840 that vision so happy to answer any questions are you all talking at all about parking we actually 01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:44.640 have a separate parking site so we're talking about parking with this but we are also doing 01:06:44.640 --> 01:06:49.840 a dedicated parking study to look specifically at that so we brought in another group that is 01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:55.760 going to be doing extensive analysis outreach and some fairly high level big data to look at 01:06:55.760 --> 01:07:02.720 where our drivers are parking are so where people are coming from who's using that parking over the 01:07:02.720 --> 01:07:08.240 course of the day and then to bring us options for how can we best manage our parking so yes 01:07:08.240 --> 01:07:13.920 it's a huge part of it not only this plan but also specifically with that parking study and 01:07:13.920 --> 01:07:22.960 that's being run by our transportation planning team it is currently under i guess the management 01:07:22.960 --> 01:07:26.800 of economic development because they use their budget for that parking study because it does 01:07:26.800 --> 01:07:33.200 relate to downtown businesses people who are utilizing the downtown area but we do have both 01:07:33.200 --> 01:07:41.360 of our transportation planners at carina malden auto and farhan but farhan bot he he is the director 01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:46.640 of transportation planning so they're both engaged in that and they are helping run that and get that 01:07:46.640 --> 01:07:50.720 implemented and so that they can give us that feedback regarding that and give it to the 01:07:50.720 --> 01:07:58.000 consultants from then collaborative well thank you for asking that yes um because when i said 01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:04.960 something about parking possibly shuttle parking and shuttling people in somebody said what's 01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:11.360 matter you don't like a walk but the reality is that you have to provide some way to get there 01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:19.760 are people just won't come then we'll go elsewhere not everyone's able to walk honestly that's one of 01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:24.320 the things that this plan is really going to look at is how do we strengthen those connections and 01:08:24.320 --> 01:08:29.040 try to figure out okay where you know if someone is parking in this particular location and they're 01:08:29.040 --> 01:08:34.080 meaning to get to downtown then what what is that walking experience like from from let's say that 01:08:34.080 --> 01:08:39.200 public parking lot to um to where they're trying to get to um are there other transportation 01:08:39.200 --> 01:08:46.320 opportunities that are available that might be implemented so maybe how we leverage existing 01:08:46.320 --> 01:08:53.360 relationships with dcta to help them but for longer term we can plan the idea you know someone 01:08:53.360 --> 01:08:57.120 told me that you have to first put the idea in the plan for it to become a reality so um we'll 01:08:57.120 --> 01:09:02.720 work on the budget for that one too right but um but to that point but it is it is looking at um 01:09:02.720 --> 01:09:06.160 you know where are people parking where are they trying to get to how do we strengthen those 01:09:06.160 --> 01:09:11.920 connections um because i think about and i'll use an example one of these days i'm going to 01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:17.200 take the train to denton um given my commute so i'm going to take the train to denton but i know 01:09:17.200 --> 01:09:22.960 that when i get off at the downtown station then my walk from the downtown station to here i've got 01:09:22.960 --> 01:09:27.920 to find probably the route that i feel is the most comfortable for me to be able to walk may or may 01:09:27.920 --> 01:09:32.800 not choose hickory because i know that hill's got some climb to it but but but those are like 01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:37.520 experiences that we take into consideration what what would make it more inviting more inviting 01:09:37.520 --> 01:09:46.800 you think of all those things with the walking and stuff sounds great on a perfect day so you know 01:09:46.800 --> 01:09:51.760 right but part of those connections then is okay because it is so hot here how do we provide more 01:09:51.760 --> 01:09:57.600 shade right um do are we do we get aggressive in trying to provide more street trees so that 01:09:57.600 --> 01:10:03.600 they have an opportunity to mature and provide some of that shade longer term maybe if i um am 01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:08.000 brave enough to ride a bike right and and get from the train station to here i haven't ridden a bike 01:10:08.000 --> 01:10:14.480 a long time so that's why i say if i'm pregnant but realistically if i'm one who does like to 01:10:14.480 --> 01:10:19.520 cycle like angie does um angie's much more proficient rider um obviously much more than i 01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:24.480 am but if i'm trying to ride my bike from point a to point b and i'm using that as a means of 01:10:24.480 --> 01:10:31.200 getting around downtown then how do we help make that much more in inviting for a cyclist who is 01:10:31.200 --> 01:10:36.640 interested in using that mode of transportation so our connections throughout downtown but also 01:10:36.640 --> 01:10:41.280 into the adjoining communities is going to be important you know earlier i mentioned you know 01:10:41.280 --> 01:10:45.840 does downtown provide an opportunity for the residents of southeast how do we help the 01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:51.280 residents of southeast and um feel comfortable with coming into downtown strengthening some of 01:10:51.280 --> 01:10:57.360 those connections between a neighborhood that's nearby with our downtown area so um so really 01:10:57.360 --> 01:11:01.120 you're really looking at those communities or even our neighborhoods to the north and to the south 01:11:01.120 --> 01:11:07.200 and over to the west on the other side of carol so it's um it is that's why you probably you know if 01:11:07.200 --> 01:11:12.560 you've noticed on all three of these plans mobility is addressed in some form or fashion because it's 01:11:12.560 --> 01:11:18.160 an important component to our land use planning and as we think about where we want these areas 01:11:18.160 --> 01:11:25.440 to be 20 years from now it's also in what i think for you know we have two large universities here 01:11:25.440 --> 01:11:31.440 and when i say trolley i mean i was kidding but kind of not because i am thinking to get people 01:11:31.440 --> 01:11:38.080 downtown but also you know wouldn't it be great to get on the trolley to learn and have a trolley 01:11:38.080 --> 01:11:42.240 take you around didn't take you down to the different historic districts and take you into 01:11:42.240 --> 01:11:48.400 quaker town and you know it would provide a couple of jobs for people i mean more jobs just thinking 01:11:48.400 --> 01:11:54.880 of that too i just think it would we used to have a rail line that's right we did the interment 01:11:54.880 --> 01:12:00.480 but i mean telling those types of stories and things but that could draw in more tourism as 01:12:00.480 --> 01:12:07.520 well if you give them something to do so this has been a recurring fantasy of mine is um i'm from 01:12:07.520 --> 01:12:11.760 Fayetteville Arkansas which has lots of interesting other transportation things around downtown where 01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:16.640 they have agreements where electric bikes now and the little electric scooters are far more 01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:21.600 integrated into their system i'd be real interested trying to figure out how they made that happen 01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:29.280 while it died on the vine here but Eureka Springs Arkansas has a trolley they are built there some 01:12:29.280 --> 01:12:34.240 people call them the swiss alps of the Ozarks because they're steep right and that trolley 01:12:34.240 --> 01:12:40.000 has a regular trolley line station that goes through the historic neighborhood into the downtown 01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:46.000 and then crawls it has a couple of stops in the outlying areas by the major where the major growth 01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:54.800 or the um not surprisingly hotels right and things like that and so it serves two functions it they 01:12:54.800 --> 01:12:58.640 have they have the one that's the limited route that just goes down the route then they have a 01:12:58.640 --> 01:13:04.000 longer one that connects them to the station that just goes down the round and the longer one is 01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:09.520 more set up to be more like picking up people who work and live out and where the apartments 01:13:09.520 --> 01:13:15.600 are further out right but their operation there is really fascinating because they 01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:21.040 they not surprisingly every city struggles with it right how to maintain it how to keep it going 01:13:21.040 --> 01:13:28.320 right but it's a cute little face cute little trolley they mix and match it so you know it 01:13:28.320 --> 01:13:34.080 has like a daily rate versus weekly rate etc but uh absolutely and he said that's Eureka Springs 01:13:34.080 --> 01:13:41.440 Eureka Springs are that's right well when they had them on the fourth of july i guess 01:13:41.440 --> 01:13:46.560 is that when it poured down right yes the one time it rained this summer 01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:51.120 just have parks roll out a really amazing event 01:13:54.320 --> 01:14:04.720 oh yes yes yes and i got rich but the the bus service 01:14:04.720 --> 01:14:13.040 park at north texas and brought people in i don't know how well that was publicized not very i don't 01:14:13.040 --> 01:14:18.880 think uh but there were buses and that was great you know you could just drive over there and park 01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:24.880 on the parking lot and hop on the bus and they circled you around there and dropped you off and 01:14:24.880 --> 01:14:32.560 came back and picked you up well there's a recurring fantasy about some of the local business owners 01:14:32.560 --> 01:14:41.200 because another concern is part when concerning parking are their employees park close right and 01:14:41.200 --> 01:14:46.880 then so what happens if you incentivize them being able to park for their way but now there's safety 01:14:46.880 --> 01:14:51.920 concerns like you know girls and young women traveling at night etc etc but the idea is that 01:14:51.920 --> 01:14:56.960 this might be something that we could get by in from both economic development standpoint but also 01:14:56.960 --> 01:15:03.040 you know possibly look at some grants in order to incentivize like you're saying like incentivize 01:15:03.040 --> 01:15:09.200 maybe a small business operation i think it's worth exploring there's more to add but so many 01:15:09.200 --> 01:15:17.280 hours on a day so with each of these plans so i think it was mia who said we get to get to the 01:15:17.280 --> 01:15:23.760 fun stuff on the implementation right so keep in mind each of these plans um will include an 01:15:23.760 --> 01:15:31.680 implementation chapter and i'll have a list of the series of action items that um ideally um we the 01:15:31.680 --> 01:15:37.200 city could undertake or identify other partners to be able to help and the recommendations of the 01:15:37.200 --> 01:15:43.040 plan come into fruition many times with these plans it is a combination of you know the city 01:15:43.040 --> 01:15:48.560 private property owners maybe other entities whether they're non-profits or other businesses 01:15:48.560 --> 01:15:53.600 and let's face it developers the developers have a role in helping us get our plans implemented 01:15:53.600 --> 01:15:59.120 so know that each of these air plans will have that implementation chapter it'll have a series 01:15:59.120 --> 01:16:05.360 of action items associated with it in some cases some of the plans might have certain action items 01:16:05.360 --> 01:16:10.960 that are prioritized over others typically they're identified in a short-term mid-term long-term goal 01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:17.440 might include just kind of a rough cost estimate whether or not it's low cost to the city to be 01:16:17.440 --> 01:16:23.440 able to implement versus like implementing a trolley system if there's a much greater cost 01:16:23.440 --> 01:16:28.960 associated with with something like that so and that becomes that becomes our roadmap to be able 01:16:28.960 --> 01:16:34.000 to work on and be able to implement so one of the things that we're really focused on is is trying 01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:39.680 to get to that implementation stage so that these area plans do just not that they just do not sit 01:16:39.680 --> 01:16:47.200 on a shelf and collect us and i would suggest looking at at all the federal programs for funding 01:16:47.200 --> 01:16:54.000 things because new mexico is a poor state but they have a heck of a lot of transportation and things 01:16:54.000 --> 01:17:02.480 available uh their their senior centers their seniors if they live within five miles of a center 01:17:02.480 --> 01:17:10.320 they can get picked up and dropped off wow yeah i visited a couple of them while i was what three 01:17:10.320 --> 01:17:18.480 all together while i was out there this summer and so and i know there's another little bus that runs 01:17:18.480 --> 01:17:28.160 around places so we we should we should look at every venue that might have a dime 01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:35.840 and maybe we can get a penny of it there you go 01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:41.840 i have a question i have a commitment at seven which i don't think it pretty much is 01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:46.560 so if i were what that would be able to function without me 01:17:46.560 --> 01:17:58.080 okay let's keep going quickly okay okay item 2b number hlc 23-35 on our agenda is to review 01:17:58.080 --> 01:18:03.360 and discuss the proposed historic designation letter for use by staff on behalf of historic landmark 01:18:03.360 --> 01:18:12.000 commission did you guys see this yes everyone should have a copy yes so this is what we had 01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:18.880 talked about back in june um commissioner treat obviously you were not with us at that time but 01:18:18.880 --> 01:18:28.880 i've been reading that okay um so this letter is essentially to express interest of designation on 01:18:28.880 --> 01:18:36.720 the historic landmarks commission so it would provide you know the basic introduction talk 01:18:36.720 --> 01:18:43.760 about a brief history or reasons that interest um in this property specifically talk about the 01:18:43.760 --> 01:18:51.360 different property owner benefits community benefits and then do a really quick and brief 01:18:51.360 --> 01:18:56.720 overview of what the difference is between a commemorative acknowledgement versus an actual 01:18:56.720 --> 01:19:01.760 designation status and that's what you see on that table in the back there talking about local 01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:08.960 county state and national and then specifically calling out where you could be tax exemption 01:19:08.960 --> 01:19:13.200 eligible which i think is really important because that's one of the biggest incentives 01:19:13.200 --> 01:19:18.480 of getting designated is like people want to see the money you know they want that property tax or 01:19:18.480 --> 01:19:23.840 whatever it may be so really calling attention to that um and then obviously underneath that there 01:19:23.840 --> 01:19:28.320 would be any additional grants that they could maybe be eligible for depending on what their 01:19:28.320 --> 01:19:35.920 property i guess in terms of historic integrity or if it's related to a cultural landmark or history 01:19:35.920 --> 01:19:41.760 i'm talking about it there and then the point of contact both at the county level who really 01:19:41.760 --> 01:19:49.120 handles those state county and national designations and then the local um designations which is myself 01:19:49.120 --> 01:19:53.680 um and then the new little slogan of let's preserve denton together 01:19:53.680 --> 01:20:05.200 so um i will welcome any feedback um i i hope it covers everything um but just so that you know 01:20:05.200 --> 01:20:12.480 commissioner treat this does relate to um 3c on the agenda um which i'll talk about a little 01:20:12.480 --> 01:20:20.240 bit more in detail uh but that is where this connects to that any questions comments 01:20:20.240 --> 01:20:27.120 we're gonna move along it looks good to me looks good looks good looks good to me i really like 01:20:27.120 --> 01:20:36.320 where you put that um what's said to help against with demolition they manage oh i like that yeah 01:20:36.320 --> 01:20:45.680 yeah potential historic yeah preserve okay we're gonna move on item 2c number hlc 23-036 on our 01:20:45.680 --> 01:20:50.560 agendas to receive a report hold the discussion give staff direction on the historic landmark 01:20:50.560 --> 01:20:55.440 commission's request for local historic designation of eligible historic properties 01:20:56.240 --> 01:21:01.840 so i'm assuming we don't have any um properties up for potential designation today but i just 01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:07.280 wanted to provide commissioner treat a background on what this is um just a reminder this is a two 01:21:07.280 --> 01:21:12.320 it's similar to a city council style with a two-minute pitch you bring forward a property 01:21:12.320 --> 01:21:18.160 um as a commissioner that you think is of um interest in terms of being eligible for 01:21:18.160 --> 01:21:25.360 local designation you provide um a little bit of background the property you can provide a map you 01:21:25.360 --> 01:21:30.880 basically create a small little powerpoint presentation um and this creates a oh wait sorry 01:21:30.880 --> 01:21:39.200 this is matrix but this creates a um a living document where i add um continuously add and then 01:21:39.200 --> 01:21:45.440 this would be tied to that so when you all say you wanted to designate this building you say cameron 01:21:45.440 --> 01:21:50.880 we're going to designate this building and we all agree you get the the two or the three votes that 01:21:50.880 --> 01:21:56.720 is needed to put it on the list um once that's acquired i can send out this to that property 01:21:56.720 --> 01:22:01.200 owner saying there's interest and that's where we can start getting that conversation going 01:22:01.200 --> 01:22:06.480 to potentially get it designated so just want to provide that kind of cool background 01:22:06.480 --> 01:22:17.280 okay okay thank you for that okay item 2d number hlc 23-007 on our agenda is to hold a discussion 01:22:17.840 --> 01:22:26.480 regarding the historic landmark commission project mix um so we have three requests so now these all 01:22:26.480 --> 01:22:33.120 relate essentially back to november we had the quantifying the economic impact of preserving 01:22:33.120 --> 01:22:39.120 historic properties i started pulling together information for that um discussion regarding 01:22:39.120 --> 01:22:46.240 benefits for preserving historic properties i feel like this is kind of resolving that um request 01:22:46.240 --> 01:22:52.080 by hlc obviously you all can disagree with me but i think once we start getting this sent out it's 01:22:52.080 --> 01:22:56.560 really showing people how you can be incentivized to designate your property so i think we can take 01:22:56.560 --> 01:23:03.040 that off the matrix um this is something that we definitions ad hoc committee obviously at this point 01:23:03.040 --> 01:23:10.240 we don't really have any subcommittees um we've as you know we're having some issues about a lot 01:23:10.240 --> 01:23:15.680 of resignations as of late so we don't really have a definition ad hoc committee at this point 01:23:16.320 --> 01:23:21.680 so that doesn't need to be updated these are some items that have remained for items for consideration 01:23:21.680 --> 01:23:29.520 you all did receive that designation research report from legal on friday if you did not please 01:23:29.520 --> 01:23:37.760 let us know and then as a reminder these are our 2023 work plan goals so preparing that annual list 01:23:37.760 --> 01:23:43.280 potential landmarks tax exemption eligibility and obviously these are some things that are going to 01:23:43.280 --> 01:23:49.360 be addressed in those area plans but just wanted to highlight those again and then also as a reminder 01:23:49.360 --> 01:23:56.480 these are our future hlc meetings october 9th november 13th and december 11th um but is there 01:23:56.480 --> 01:24:02.640 anything you all want to add or nothing to add but one question yes on that i think if you'll scroll 01:24:02.640 --> 01:24:09.360 back up yeah so we talked about the churches and that were in the quaker town area so and you they 01:24:09.360 --> 01:24:14.480 said earlier in the presentations that there's been some relationships building yes with some of 01:24:14.480 --> 01:24:21.920 those pastors so is this something we're going to send or where are we with so um this is something 01:24:21.920 --> 01:24:28.320 that we can send i am not sure where we're at in terms of the southeast didn't plan if we want to 01:24:28.320 --> 01:24:32.880 send those as of yet because i know there was some of the churches were interested some were 01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:40.960 interested just initial conversations that we've heard um and i think back in in watch when this 01:24:40.960 --> 01:24:45.040 first came up or when we talked about this a couple of months ago i think this didn't we talk about 01:24:45.040 --> 01:24:52.720 hosting a meeting having the angels post a meeting as it relates to yes so we could send it to them 01:24:52.720 --> 01:24:58.000 as well as any other interested at property owners and be able to do that all collectively together 01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:02.560 yeah i just wondered where we were with that yeah i think it's great that y'all are building those 01:25:02.560 --> 01:25:09.920 relationships so i was hoping that yeah so i think once we get some of these letters sent out and 01:25:09.920 --> 01:25:14.480 include those original ones that we've already put on the list i think we have two properties 01:25:14.480 --> 01:25:20.240 then we can kind of have this sent out and then just say hey we would like to invite you all to 01:25:20.240 --> 01:25:25.280 a discussion if you're willing if not you know our contact information is in here we would love to 01:25:25.280 --> 01:25:29.760 talk to you with you further if you have any interest so um definitely once those letters 01:25:29.760 --> 01:25:33.360 are sent out i can let you all know just give me an update saying hey they've been sent out 01:25:33.360 --> 01:25:36.240 hopefully we hear something in the next week or two i'm happy to do that 01:25:36.240 --> 01:25:43.440 any other business to discuss 01:25:43.440 --> 01:25:50.720 if not i'm going to adjourn the meeting the meeting is adjourned at 7 12