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 number HLC 23-039 on our agenda is a presentation and discussion regarding the three area plans

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 we have everyone here. Thank you so much, Chair. So I stated this is a discussion regarding the

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 30,000 level policy view document, right? So area plans allows them to do a much more deeper dive

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 My name is Angie Manglaris. I'm the project manager for the Northeast Den Area Plan.

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 Ms. Mia Hines is working as the assistant project manager on this area plan. And it's my pleasure to

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 give you guys an update as to where we are on this plan, what's been done so far, our next steps,

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 hundreds of acres of public open space. So that is a five-minute recap of where we are

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 the Cooper Creek Cemetery, Denton's Poor Farm, and the Hartley Airfield. So the Cooper Creek

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 School was formally established in 1876. The community was formed in 1872. It was a one-room

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 building and it served approximately 39 students. Fun fact during the 1918 smallpox endemic a doctor

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 worked there and helped take care of sick children who were afflicted by that. The school did close

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 in 1951. The Cooper Creek Cemetery Association currently maintains it and it was recorded Texas

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 historic landmark in 2012. Nearby is the Cooper Creek Baptist Church. It was started being used

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 in 1872 kind of when that community was established. In 1916 Mr. Collins donated land to the church to

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 build their new sanctuary. In 1961 the church added a new steeple and expanded into smaller buildings.

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 land and it was recorded Texas historic landmark in 2012. With that I'm going to let Ms. Mia.

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 the Civil War. A deed from 1878 evidences is the establishment of the Cooper Creek Cemetery on this

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 site. This site holds the bodies of residents, civil leaders, veterans or early settlers from that

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 from this area and around that time period. This one in particular is not segregated by race or

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 religion like most of the cemeteries were established around that time period. And today

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 designated as a historic Texas cemetery in 2011. Another asset excuse me in this area within our

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 within this project area from is the Denton Port Farm from 1883 to 1949 ran by Denton County and

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 period who were unable to care for themselves. It's my understanding that they worked on this

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 farm and sort of provided the work and resources for them to exist and survive on this in this

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 Airfield. This was opened in 1939 by Civilian Aeronautics Authority and the North Texas State

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 Teachers College as a pilot training program. George Hart and Beatrice Lee later purchased the

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 pilot training program during World War II and then following that private it was used it's been

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 this was in the in the 50s and a very large tract of land and we have general bounds by the two

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 roads that you see there I believe it's Laney and Collins yeah knowing that it's about 350 acres

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 this is to help illustrate and I was just saying before the northeast plan started myself in parks

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 were kind of doing some initial research and we had some aerial footage of what it probably

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 consisted of there was maybe about two structures those don't exist so the only thing that would

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 probably come of this would be a Texas historical narrative marker or a local narrative marker

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 due to the fact that there's no true structures in place that we know of there is potentially a

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 cemetery that is under a dump site yeah and I know there was a cemetery on site and possibly a well

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 right so um but we haven't been able to get access at least before I don't know if they'll be able to

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 but at that time when parts and I were talking we were trying to get access but at the same time

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 there's so much junk in that junkyard and that dump ground oh no that is it's yeah so I grew up

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 country I don't know what that is so I'm sorry I don't want to belabor it but

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 can I see the big map where this connects to the other historic sites

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 you had oh yeah if you go back like a few slides yeah so it's approximately that there so historic

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 designation I have friends with Randy Hunt who of course does work with different areas that can be

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 designated different ways um and one of the things that he talks about when he goes to recruit

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 homeowners is he will talk to him about here's these kind of tax breaks that this makes you

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 eligible for right like if something is kind of brought back to kind of historic are we looking

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 at a similar possibility here to be able to like get the homeowners to all go in if they get some

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 type of so they they do have to be income producing properties so they would have to be rentals

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 yeah so you're only eligible for state or federal historic tax incentives if it's an income producing

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 property or non-profit oh yeah okay of course but there is a tax advantage if it's a structure

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 and if they put money into the structure then they can get a tax um percentage

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 at the level level that they're designated yes okay that's correct

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 I'm a persuasion man I'm always looking for it thank you so well Angie not going to do our quick

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 and I will jump to the southeast end of the area plan um okay so the purpose of the southeast end

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 area plan uh we are all um aware of the the unfair and unjust practices that went on to think of

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 within the Quaker Town area that led to the relocation of black families um the displacement

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 of white families into the southeast end area which um tentatively is sort of a draft boundary

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 we have uh bordered by Dallas Drive to the southwest Bell Avenue to the west East McKinney

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 Street to the north uh Woodrow Lane to the east and then Shady Oaks and Teezy Lane to the south

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 um and so we started off this plan uh what we wanted to focus on were identifying those areas

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 that are really important to the residents and stakeholders so both the property owners current

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 residents who live in the southeast end area um to give us some ideas for future improvements

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 things on the city side that we've controlled but also help us respond to development inquiries based

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 on um like I said what that that feedback from those residents and those stakeholders were um

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 really really emphasizing that input really emphasizing that feedback from the residents

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 and from the stakeholders making sure that what we have as a part of this plan is is truly driven by

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 that community um that was the emphasis that's been our our approach and Julie will when I bring her

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 up we'll talk about some of those public engagement efforts that we've done to make sure that we're

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 really capturing the voices of those both the existing long-time residents the newer residents

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 and those business owners and property owners within the southeast end area plan and of course

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 ultimately in the end what we want to be able to do with this area plan is make

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 recommendations for capital improvements and the necessary policy changes based on what we heard

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 from the residents and stakeholders in this area and so with that similar to the northeast end area

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 plan of course we set a plan to adopt or help us get through this planning effort this area

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 planning effort we started we broke it up into four major phases and then with the fifth being

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 implementation once once the plan is adopted the first phase is that discovery phase where like I

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 said we really went out and talked to the residents um or I'm sorry got an understanding of what's on

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 the ground and what's um what are some of those things that you can observe just sort of driving

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 around from the outside looking in and then the five phases when we ran out and really talked to

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 the residents we held the some listening sessions we did some intercept surveys like I said Julie

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 we'll talk about some of those efforts here in a second like I said getting the input from the

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 residents and the community members the stakeholders from the southeast end area and taking building

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 off what we learned from the discovery phase into the defined phase and asking hey we observed this

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 within you know this first portion of this planning exercise did we observe this correctly what are

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 your thoughts on the things that we observed as residents as the people who use this environment

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 on a daily date on a day-to-day basis next we will jump into or we are jumping into the development

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 phase of the southeastern area plan where we'll take both of the things that we observe and the

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 things that we've heard from the community and the stakeholders into some draft plans

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 implementation brainstorming workshops we'll bring that forward to planning a zoning commission and

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 the city council to get their feedback again part of the planning effort is we're building on top

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 of these different things and making sure that so far are we hearing from the stakeholders are we

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 hearing it correctly and are we putting that plan together properly and then finally we'll get into

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 deliver where we have that final draft of the area plan bringing that to planning and zoning

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 commission by way of a public hearing as well as city council for public hearing and final adoption

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 and then the fund is the implementation phase of the of the plan where we actually have policy

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 guidelines and policy changes and again if you know future land use map that again helps us respond

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 to those development questions and inquiries that we receive so that we know how to how to move

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 forward and with that i will hand it over to julie wyatt who's our project manager to talk about some

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 of that in public public engagement efforts that we've done hi julie wyatt and just before i get

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 started i put a button at each of your um places you could put one on your hat if you want right

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 but so with our public engagement so each plan is a little different um if on northeast they started

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 with those stakeholder interviews and then went to visioning well we took a different approach

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 with that southeastern um mia mentioned that traumatic past of southeastern in quaker town and

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 and so the first thing we wanted to do was go out and listen to the community it was really important

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 to our our project team and our consultant and so that's where we started so we started with the

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 first round of listening sessions um in april we had five sessions and um in person and then one

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 virtual we had about 60 attendees um and we're going to talk about the questions that they asked

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 in just a second because they were some tough questions um we uh after after we had that first

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 listening session we we realized that we really hadn't gotten enough um uh most of the attendees

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 at that first um um session of listening sessions were uh people in um over 65 um kind of that older

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 um generation but when we when we did look at the demographics of denton and southeast denton we

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 realized that denton is a young city um we have two colleges here and we've got a lot of young

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 people and we weren't hearing from those young people um we also realized we hadn't heard from

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 all of the demographic groups within southeastern we hadn't heard from the hispanic the latino um

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 population and we wanted to make sure we heard from everybody so we had a second round of listening

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 sessions in june and and um we pivoted a little bit we made sure we had an interpreter there so

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 that all members of the community felt like they could participate we made it made sure that all of

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 our advertising was in english and spanish and we had two more in-person listening sessions at that

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 time um so some of the questions that were asked were um or or these were the 10 questions so how

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 do you feel about living in denton today are there places in denton you don't feel welcome

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 where do you feel welcome do you feel that southeast denton has been neglected underserved

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 or did not receive its fair share of resources um have there been has there been harm or unjust

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 practices done in denton that you'd like to share um what is your relationship with the city of denton

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 what is your assessment of housing choice do you support multifamily development are you concerned

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 about displacement or gentrification how do you evaluate those park systems or other infrastructure

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 and then do you have about any concerns about proposed development projects so those questions

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 were posed to the community um and they gave a lot of really good feedback um also with that

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 second round of listening sessions we did something called intercept surveys because we realized not

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 everybody is going to come to a community meeting uh and so we we went to the street and uh we talked

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 to parents as they were picking up kids from the mlk center um we also talked to um uh people on

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 the street at uh at a local restaurant we looked at google to see when those restaurants were the

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 most popular and then we made sure we were there at that time we had interpreters so we could make

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 sure that we could talk to all of the community members um and and then we um and we just interviewed

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 people as they walked by and it was amazing uh we heard from a ton of people i think tina 75 or i've

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 also heard 109 so i don't quite know how our consultant is is analyzing this data but we

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 heard from a lot of people um and our translators were were so funny they got so into it and one

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 lady got into the car with someone and just that it was really hot so um let's just say keep in mind

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 it was like over 100 degrees and they're outside doing this yes so um so we've really got really

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 great um some uh great feedback and um we're really glad that we we did that um so some key

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 things that we heard from these listening sessions and the surveys is that um those unjust practices

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 have not been forgotten um and they are uh the residents are frustrated by the lack of communication

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 regarding the road construction project i don't know if you've driven through southeast denton

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 recently but it feels like almost every road in southeast denton is currently under construction

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 yes you know me and i have driven southeast denton um on a weekly basis for for the last

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 since february and and we recently drove down the street me as like i've never been on the street before

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 so but we did hear that um from the residents that there was there they wanted to hear more

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 communication um speeding on local streets is a concern um we talked in a meeting this morning

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 about how um with with the newly paved streets residents are realizing just how wide some of

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 those streets in southeast denton are and so um they're worried about speeding parks and community

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 facilities are cherished amenities fred moore park is just one of like it's just a gem in our

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 community and it's one of the best situated parks um just in the neighborhood so it really is well

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 loved there are mixed feelings about housing and affordability um and and as tina has rightly

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 pointed out our first round of listening sessions was timed not great and that everyone got their

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 new appraised value that week so there was a lot there was a lot of talk about about increased

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 property values and the concerns about how that was going to impact families um residents feel

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 that change is coming and um and they also want to hear more from us about planning and rezoning

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 and that the city can improve its relationship with the community and that the infrastructure

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 must be improved so um that first round of listening sessions staff actually wasn't invited

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 that the the consultant really really wanted to hear from the community in a way that was

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 unvarnished and that they would tell the you know give us the good the bad and the ugly and

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 we feel really fortunate that that there was a lot of honesty and candor with the community

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 um but there is hope for the future there's hope to improve race relations and get more unity and

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 harmony that we have opportunities to improve our communication and provide opportunities for the

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 younger generation to live and work in denim you know these area plans we're not planning for the

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 for the people who who live there now we're we're we're planning for kids their kids and

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 their kids kids and so we want to keep that in mind how do we how do we keep our kids in debt and how

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 do we make it a place where they want to set up businesses and buy homes and and raise their

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 families um some residents would support new development um if they were held harmless from

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 the increase in property value um keeping those property taxes stable that um like i said everybody

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 got their tax bill at that same time um we want to help alleviate concerns related to development

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 um gentrification concerns and displacement fears once again stabilize those property value

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 increases um and acknowledge that past harm from those unjust practices and and quaker town

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 so based upon those um those key themes we had a visioning workshop so we had this at the beginning

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 of august yes and um it was in the community it was at the american legion hall and the intent was

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 to provide a community meeting with hands-on exercises we wanted to get feedback on our ideal

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 street networks on our housing needs the share their visit of the community's vision for parks

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 and the ideas for community um and so first uh so we're just going to talk about some of the boards

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 and how those relate to those key themes so first i'm going to hear like what do you love about

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 southeast end why why are you here um and then what is the community's dream for southeast end

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 now we're not as far along and our planning efforts is northeast so we don't have all this

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 data back but did want to share with you kind of what was discussed and what we wanted to hear from

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 the community um we had a map at the visioning workshop about where the community wanted to see

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 change um you know part part of both of these plans is we we want to hear from the community

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 what areas do you want to preserve what is really near and dear to your heart and then where do you

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 want to see that change and so we provided a map show them where those residential areas are

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 and where the parks are and then where those undeveloped properties are so they can see maybe

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 where there could be impacts um and then i think we talked about earlier um what is the boundary

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 southeast end and how does that how does that relate to downtown because it's been a really big

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 conversation and so we had our our project team had a light board so almost like a light bright

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 everybody remembers that and they put a map down and then they allowed we tracing paper and allow

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 community members to draw what they think southeast dent is and i think tina mentioned it it it went

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 all the way some all the way up to bingo down to the mall so they're piling that data and so we can

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 get a good a good boundary map not only it just the starting point that we use which was based upon

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 an area plan that was done in 2000 but you know how the community defines itself today

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 all right oh we talked about you know we heard we heard about unsafe streets

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 and so we wanted to hear like where are those hot spots um where what are your concerns we

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 hear about speeding on more street we hear about parents queuing up um to drop off kids at revera

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 elementary we heard about um just on a micro level the um if you're if you're on wilson and

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 you're trying to turn on leaky it can be really difficult to see and so maybe there need to be

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 more stop signs there so we had really good conversations with the community about just

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 those actionable items um that that they would like to see we talked about parks and trails

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 um as i mentioned you know um fred moore park is a beloved park within the community but how

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 can we be better um what what kind of trails would you like to see uh parks is looking to um

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 add more to the slash pad at carl young park so what do we want to see what kind of improvements

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 do we want to see in that area um and then this is where it gets to historic so we have a lot of

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 historic assets in southeast and cameron shared with me that i 1996 historic resource survey and

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 you look at that data and we've got some great structures and history within south east and so

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 as part of that cameron met with our project team and really gave them kind of a lay of the land

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 about historic preservation in texas and how we can use that to improve our neighborhoods in our

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 community and so um and so they added that to the boards and um and she and cameron was holding

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 court at the at the visioning she was one of the most popular corners at the visioning workshop

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 because because um residents were to put dots on what what they felt was important and so she talked

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 to the community about you know how to create historic districts what you would need to do to

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 create historic districts and then what the benefits are for that um that you can um you know part of

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 what we've heard about is that neighborhood character and and that is really important to

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 community and so how you can um create either historic districts or conservation districts

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 to preserve that character you know maybe there's some architectural elements there are themes

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 throughout southeast end so how do we make sure that we encourage those kinds of um architectural

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 themes and then and then what kind of tax credits you can get um because as as i mentioned

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 gentrification and displacement was one of those concerns and if if um investment in properties can

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 be um can be credited back in in property taxes and that really helps the community overall

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 so we got some great conversation and i'm sure that this is going to continue to inform the plan

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 and so that really concludes our discussion of southeast we're going to be coming by with more

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 more public engagement so keep your ears out we'd love to see y'all there if you have any questions

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 quick question for y'all so you mentioned the american legion where on did you hold these

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 listening things did y'all go to church we you um american legion and then mlk were the were where

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 we held the listening sessions um the intercept surveys we held um we had a booth at juneteenth

399
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:45,120
 um we also had um we had like i said we were set up at mlk um and then we also

400
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:52,000
 chose a restaurant along mckinney to try to capture um those community members you know one

401
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,240
 thing that we've learned and i i didn't put this slide in but we've had a lot of lessons along with

402
00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:03,360
 this so it's been really um we we've tried to um make sure that we think about every every step

403
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:10,800
 that we've taken and how we can do better and what we need to do as we build and um and you know we

404
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:16,640
 we did postcards mailings to the community members to to get them to come out to the community

405
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:23,280
 but we also took out flyers so we've we now have a little route that mia and i drive to to take out

406
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:31,280
 flyers for each um to for each um event when we take out flyers we take a member of staff who can

407
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:37,760
 speak spanish so we can make sure that we can um have those restaurants along mckinney um so we can

408
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,360
 talk to them about the plan and make sure that they understand what the flyers for

409
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:48,960
 um we also uh help we handed out flyers at mlk during the back to school to give them to parents

410
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:54,560
 so we're really trying to um we've got social media pushes that we're doing so we're really

411
00:43:54,560 --> 00:44:00,320
 trying to get the word out as much as possible um talk about the technology and then also the

412
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,560
 other connections that you've made within the community that the people so that like we've

413
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:09,600
 learned from a technology standpoint that they're more old school yes that is a good so we've heard

414
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:14,800
 from the community they really miss getting a daily paper every day they want you know the

415
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:22,480
 community community has indicated that really social media is not how to reach a lot of of of

416
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:27,200
 the residents now we're still doing it because we want we want high school kids to participate

417
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:34,160
 um but yeah tina's right the best success we've had is really just being in the community going

418
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:39,120
 to sedna meetings going to we like meetings me and i did the career fair at fred moore

419
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:47,200
 um maybe to inspire the next generation of planners and relationships with the pastors

420
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:53,520
 in the community yes forming relationships with the pastors in the community and so uh and then

421
00:44:53,520 --> 00:45:00,240
 and then um you know asking who can you introduce us to so that's really how we've been successful

422
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:05,360
 is those personal relationships with the community thanks for making that extra effort yeah see that

423
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,200
 i'm very much appreciated yeah on the way that's all i was going to ask you said there's a sense

424
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,200
 from the community that they feel the change is coming is that coming from a place of apprehension

425
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:21,120
 or excitement or what how would you characterize that um apprehension is hot um well some of the

426
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:28,400
 part is um apprehension i think we've had some that um um maybe some of the younger generation

427
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:33,200
 um maybe a little more excited so um but i think older generations that are within the

428
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:38,960
 neighborhoods apprehension um part of that stems from a project that um julie if you want to point

429
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:44,480
 it out um it stems from a project a multi-family project that the zoning intolerance were in place

430
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:49,440
 to allow them to develop the property and so um it hints a lot of the conversation about what do

431
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:54,240
 people consider the boundaries of southeast town and why we were asking them because the area that

432
00:45:54,240 --> 00:46:01,680
 is um that used to be what was that the trinity construction site or industrial site um you know

433
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:07,200
 what what was interesting is we heard from one of our steering committee members um at our last

434
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:13,600
 steering committee meaning that it's interesting um what people benchmark against and and i didn't

435
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,760
 i didn't realize it um but it was interesting hearing his perspective because he looked at it

436
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:23,840
 he remembers a time when that was the trinity industry site that it maybe had a hundred people

437
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:28,320
 that worked there that came and went and then it had maybe 50 trucks daily that came and went from

438
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:34,640
 that site so he remembers a time of that number of employees and the traffic associated with it and

439
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:40,080
 the number of trucks coming and go and so then he counterbalances that with now if it's being

440
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,480
 developed as multi-family um the number of units that are going there going in there and the

441
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,880
 potential number of people that could be coming and going the number of people obviously is much

442
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:54,800
 greater compared to what was there previously um you know some might think of the trinity industry

443
00:46:54,800 --> 00:47:02,640
 site as um noisy pollutants in the area more industrial um nature operations where uh might

444
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:09,440
 not want to necessarily live next to that kind of heavier industrial operation but haven't heard so

445
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:15,600
 much of that concern of of the yesteryear right of having to live next to that um so i thought

446
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:20,400
 that was kind of an interesting counterbalance as it relates to that site but but we know um that

447
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:26,480
 that area around the train station is um of interest to some um hence you know trying to

448
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,400
 have that conversation with people what you do what do you consider southeast denton do you consider

449
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,960
 the area around the train station as part of southeast denton um i know lenny brought up

450
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:40,400
 um a couple months ago when we were talking about doing the area plan um conversation is

451
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,800
 you know there's something in the community that are concerned that we're trying to expand downtown

452
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:49,440
 into southeast denton and trying to understand that narrative also one of the things that we

453
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:54,080
 challenged the steering committee with at the last meeting is you know we need all of our areas of

454
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:59,600
 denton to be successful and and how do the two areas support each other are there opportunities

455
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:05,600
 in downtown that could provide benefits for the residents of southeast denton and really trying

456
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:12,880
 to engage in that conversation as well so it's um we don't have the answer yet on that one we're

457
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,480
 still trying to work with the community as it relates to that particular aspect

458
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:26,960
 i have a question so you mentioned the younger generation and can put thoughts around with that

459
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:34,640
 younger generation how we can keep the knowledge of the history there even though it was a horrible

460
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:44,000
 thing to transplant you know from quaker town and but i mean should we do that like you know

461
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:49,600
 what i mean it's like how do you keep that because the younger kids do they know about it do they

462
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:55,440
 appreciate where they are you know i just think of all these things and then i think about so i've

463
00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:01,600
 got a multi question here then i think about if we were able to take different areas and

464
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:10,000
 designate them historic then you could do a sign you know what i mean that to really to show that

465
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:16,160
 so i've just wondered if that's been part of any discussion well we don't have the implementation

466
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,000
 yet but i would say that is a theme that we've talked about with the steering committee and with

467
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:25,360
 the community and that like this was the logo that the steering committee chose and they were very

468
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:31,040
 they wanted the the tree to show those roots because that was a really important aspect that

469
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:40,080
 that history of the of the community stays stays at the floor and that it's we understand that

470
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:46,720
 i was going to add angie to your question about you know communicating the story right so one of

471
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:51,600
 the things that our parks team is working on and my apologies shawn if this is in your in

472
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:56,800
 cameron's presentation but one of the things that our parks team is working on is really helping

473
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:02,080
 document that story and so the city is taking an active role in in helping that i know we've

474
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:07,040
 provided a financial support towards the documentary film that i believe is also being produced to be

475
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:12,320
 able to help tell the story of the events of quaker town one of the key components i will

476
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,600
 completely start to steal the thunder but one of the key components of the next project that's

477
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:21,840
 going to be presented on is addressing that aspect in working on quaker town park and

478
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:29,600
 in how we address not only the um the the events of the past i'm trying to think of cameron put

479
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:34,960
 this so eloquently the other day i was in a meeting with her um it's how do we embrace and

480
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:41,920
 document the the events of the past so 100 years ago combine that with the the o'neill ford um

481
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:46,960
 historical features that are there right and and how do we have both of those two historical time

482
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:52,720
 periods being able to be represented and telling the story of denton from that aspect so that the

483
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:58,240
 we're still working on health on on what that store how that story plays out it is communicated

484
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:05,600
 because back for the area plan and i was one interviewed with people with that when they

485
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:10,160
 were putting that together and i'm just wondering on the things that were said with that because i

486
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:16,480
 i distinctly remember some of the things that i said and it was you know we need to be cautious

487
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:22,800
 about what's butting up against our historic districts we we have to know you know and be

488
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:29,280
 mindful of those things uh also be mindful of things that are being torn down in the history

489
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:36,480
 that could because this last week we had a church right behind my house torn down and that was

490
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:43,600
 something from that community from bell avenue that now it's gone away and and those are significant

491
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:48,960
 things to me of communities that we have to be mindful of and so for this i just want to keep that

492
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:59,440
 um in a mine for or for the whole plan and for that history to not lose the history of how they

493
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:06,640
 if how it was created yeah i went to the last week's meeting i was just showing one of this

494
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:12,480
 puerpertown documentary the city is funded and they're getting excited about that um they're

495
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:19,120
 starting to build some real energy there around it and i feel like that's creating there are more

496
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:27,760
 younger people getting interested in that aspect than i've seen prior right so that's you're both

497
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:32,560
 nodding vigorously yeah we we went to the thursday night meeting okay and i volunteered cameron's

498
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:46,480
 social media uh expertise for them i already got the email she's really good yeah well and also

499
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:56,640
 um twu i know twu is doing a um five million dollar thank you um memorial in honor of puerpertown

500
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:01,440
 yep it's and it's going to be in the old golf course or that's part of the section i know um i

501
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:05,680
 don't know tons of detail but i it's close to five million dollars that they're putting in it's going

502
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,840
 to be amphitheater and there's going to be a lot of different plaques sharing the narrative of what

503
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:16,240
 happened um i've heard great things that it's going to be really nice um but that's what another

504
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:22,560
 project that's happening in parallel with the docu series in parallel with also what's happening

505
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:28,560
 with downtown and then also in southeast so there's tons and tons of projects going on right now which

506
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:35,120
 is amazing um talking about that history and really bringing light to it finally outside of a book so

507
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:43,600
 i'm excited to kind of see what's going on that's amazing um thank you because that that helps a lot

508
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:50,960
 because they're i feel like i i do a lot of work trying to keep track of what these different

509
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:56,560
 projects are doing and the more that i know the more excited i get and try to think about ways how

510
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:02,160
 can we connect them can we connect trails can we connect right like these different places and have

511
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:10,640
 a southeastern tour for something along those lines is there any talk about removing that god-awful

512
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:18,240
 cement plant which is a more recent addition to the area it really is

513
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:31,600
 it's off of prairie so um i know there has been i believe that's the site that there's been some

514
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:40,000
 interest in um by someone council um on how can we help find them an opportunity for a new home

515
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:46,160
 and um but i don't know how much progress is made on that it's um you know the other challenge is

516
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:52,400
 having a willing business having a business that's willing to relocate and move themselves and um and

517
00:54:53,200 --> 00:55:00,000
 you know um trying to find them a place where works from them from their business model also

518
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:06,640
 from an environmental quality standpoint and working with tcaq but but we recognize that um

519
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:13,120
 yeah when when it comes to very intense uses like that especially when they're near our residential

520
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:17,680
 areas and also you know like southeast end and then on the edge of our downtown that

521
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:24,000
 we would like to find them hopefully in another place where they could be as equally successful

522
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:30,160
 if not more successful and to find ways to incentivize that right and we're thinking

523
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:38,160
 future here take not give permits for those types of things to really give in to this is what you

524
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,640
 want to do with this property we're not going to give you a permit for that it's not well so i mean

525
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:50,800
 because i know said it got there somehow well it will but but it's been there you know it's been

526
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:56,880
 there for some time right it wasn't there when i lived there how long ago was that when i moved

527
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:06,400
 out in i think 72 okay so the zoning that was in place at that time allowed for that used to occur

528
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:15,120
 there when um zoning can change but in a business still remains in operation but they have rights

529
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:19,120
 under federal law and case law that allow them to continue to be able to operate there

530
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:25,360
 we could make it somewhat uncomfortable from a non-conforming use standpoint and put limitations

531
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:31,280
 on when it comes to expansions of non-conforming uses so there there are some things that we have

532
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:39,760
 done know that though in bed when it comes to non-conforming uses we we are we are are flexible

533
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:44,640
 compared to some other communities that i've worked in i think there was a big zoning change

534
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:51,680
 in like 69 or something i know some of that area there used to have industrial zoning on it um and

535
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:56,640
 we're looking at some old maps the other day um and that's part of the challenging communities

536
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:02,400
 right where you had an area that was maybe on the edge of town or an area that did not have all of

537
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:08,320
 the development that exists around it today and so that was the industrial area of the community

538
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:14,320
 had industrial zoning businesses have moved in buildings have um located there and some of them

539
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:21,360
 have continued to remain and in being in operation there and unfortunately those are the challenges

540
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:26,000
 that we deal with continuing today so hence why you know would love to find them potentially

541
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:30,640
 another opportunity where they could relocate and be um just as successful if not even more

542
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:38,160
 successful um and and um so that we can help better position that part of our community

543
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:43,600
 for the longer term but i can't i can't force them out right they've got rights from a land view

544
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:48,560
 standpoint that are allowed to be there and they've got to be willing to want to move

545
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:56,320
 you're but you're right the zoning um we had a new zoning code in 1969 and then they updated it in

546
00:57:56,320 --> 00:58:03,360
 91 and then i believe with the 2002 development code a lot of that property changed from that

547
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:10,000
 industrial zoning to that downtown that old downtown zoning which is kind of how that

548
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:15,600
 addition that changed that zoning has changed in that area i was just going to say camera you

549
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:19,040
 know something other than a book or whatever seems like we have a documentary coming out that's

550
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:24,320
 fabulous it seems like they also developed on the same time the podcast there's not a week goes by

551
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:35,200
 someone's talking about another historical podcast you know is there one i know he's not doing it

552
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:41,200
 anymore when there's something else was it about quicker count it was it was just generally a dent

553
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:50,400
 deemed i was gonna say yeah sean got me roped into a podcast i think i've been on the job less than a

554
00:58:50,400 --> 00:59:00,480
 he had kids and it would cost probably a tenth of what that multimedia

555
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:08,400
 well if we can talk to discover dent and they've got a downtown studio there

556
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:15,920
 and that's true but if they have the facilities existing i would be fabulous

557
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:27,280
 okay so on to the downtown plant update you all are the first ones to see this branding package

558
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:33,840
 here so staff has seen it it just launched last week so y'all are the first so hopefully you like it

559
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:43,280
 um but uh the title of it is designed downtown dentin um just a little bit of project background

560
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:51,360
 uh it the first downtown master plan was done in 2002 it needs to be updated obviously

561
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:58,240
 you need to see what's working has worked over the past 20 years um and really start to talk about

562
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:04,000
 the priorities for downturn in terms of growth looking at open space where it needs to be added

563
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:09,120
 potentially parking that's the number one thing that we always hear is there's parking issues

564
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:17,360
 downtown um the lack of housing that we're dealing with mobility multimodal transportation um kind of

565
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:24,160
 also connecting to the connectivity and also preservation of what's existing um so as i stated

566
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:30,720
 the purpose of it is to update that existing downtown plan from 2002 uh respond to development

567
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:35,120
 interests especially as that southern portion comes out of the floodplain right there along

568
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:40,560
 elm and locust uh positioned downtown for really that long-term success over the next 20 years and

569
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:46,800
 into the future um address how downtown really relates to those neighboring communities so

570
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:52,640
 southeast dentin those historic neighborhoods to the west over carol boulevard of hickory historic

571
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:58,800
 district um and then also as part of this plan it's also incorporating quaker town park uh so

572
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:04,000
 i'm going to invite sean jacobsen up he's going to go a little bit more in detail but uh that's the

573
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:15,920
 project background thank you so sean jacobsen assistant project manager on that one of the

574
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:20,800
 things we really enjoyed is our consultants actually took the various parts of the logo and

575
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:25,920
 broke that out into kind of the key aspects of our plan here so you'll see development and small

576
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:31,200
 business so it's very important for us to look at how we can encourage and promote a great

577
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:36,560
 environment for our small businesses to continue to succeed and see more of that mobility looking

578
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:41,760
 at encouraging better mobility across the board whether that's walking biking we do have a separate

579
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:47,520
 parking study going on and just looking at how we can best manage that uh cultural and arts so how

580
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:52,720
 do we create more spaces to encourage the wonderful arts and music scene we have to keep doing we have

581
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:57,040
 to encourage more of that course historic preservation and you know we know that's an

582
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:01,760
 incredibly important part of our downtown what makes part of what makes den den is square but

583
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,680
 then a lot of historic buildings around it i was we're doing a small business survey right now

584
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:10,000
 and i was in a building i never really thought of as like part of historic downtown and the

585
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,680
 owner saying yeah that's one of the reasons we chose this for our businesses we really like the

586
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:17,840
 history of this like that's good to hear we're like three blocks from the square and we're still

587
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:22,160
 talking about history that's wonderful and then of course parks and public spaces not only

588
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:29,360
 looking for that new design for quayertown park that really honors history there but also at are

589
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:34,000
 there opportunities for other locations for parks and trails in downtown increase in that green space

590
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:40,080
 in a way that benefits current and future residents so our overall project schedule we're right at the

591
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:44,800
 beginning right now we're in phase one we're looking at this to run most likely to adoption

592
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:50,480
 in june hopefully but right now just getting started phases there understand so right now

593
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:56,720
 really trying to gather data we've done quite a number of interviews we're also getting into

594
01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:00,720
 the heart of our public engagement so really hearing from the community and also gathering

595
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:07,680
 a ton of data that'll go into envision so looking at the engagement summary reaching out to the

596
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:12,640
 community and starting to synthesize everything that we're gathering and our consultants doing

597
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:17,440
 that to begin to look at all right so what is the vision for downtown so going into phase three then

598
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:23,440
 beginning to put together an action plan for all right where do we want to go how do we get there

599
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:28,160
 and then finally that adoption period where we take that to our boards and commission city council

600
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:34,160
 and put that into something that is truly implementable we actually did have a phase

601
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:39,200
 zero before phase one and our consultants came in they took both a driving and a walking tour

602
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:44,480
 of downtown and at the end of it they they told us you guys are in a great place because denton

603
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:49,200
 loves dentons sometimes we have to start by getting people who love downtown you guys have that covered

604
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:54,800
 there was very much of a sense we don't want to break what you already have we just want to build

605
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:58,880
 on the great things you have here and also one of the things i appreciate from the historic

606
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:03,680
 preservation perspective uh overall we're working with a team called men collaborative but they've

607
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:09,920
 brought in a specific historic preservation team from post oak so we have dedicated historic

608
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:14,720
 preservation consultants on this plan if we're looking at our current historic preservation

609
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:18,880
 documents including denton square district and looking at all right so where might there be

610
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:23,120
 areas to improve this where might we be able to look at design standards and really looking

611
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:28,880
 obviously the history of whitetown park the o'neill ford legacy but that is a key stream of this where

612
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:34,800
 we have dedicated professionals who are excited to preserve and protect and increase our protections

613
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:41,600
 for our downtown history so again you can see here we work with staff we actually took that

614
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:46,640
 walking tour we're now in phase one where we're really getting to go out to the community we're

615
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:52,000
 out at arts and autos we got to talk with a bunch of families hear from people both uh who live in

616
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:56,160
 denton and also people who visit denton because we need both of that to have a thriving downtown

617
01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:00,240
 we got a bunch of great feedback from people about what they love about downtown and also what they'd

618
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:05,440
 like to see and you're going to see a lot more of us we're going to be out uh at blues fest we're

619
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:11,760
 going to be out at jazz fest we'll be doing even going out to libraries and rec centers so

620
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:17,360
 particularly in september october even a little bit in november really reaching out here from the

621
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:22,240
 community we're going to have we've got a preview of our online site today there's going to be some

622
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:27,520
 cool community survey things including a photo contest the opportunity to put different comments

623
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:33,200
 on a map tell us what you love what you want to see we're going to have qr codes on coasters out

624
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:38,400
 of downtown businesses to encourage and many people as possible to take that survey we really

625
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:43,760
 appreciate y'all keep an eye on that so if you go to disgust and we'll have a link to the page there

626
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:48,560
 please get that out we want to hear from the entire city this is about downtown but it belongs to

627
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:53,120
 everybody so we want to get feedback from as many folks as possible particularly over these next few

628
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:58,880
 weeks but definitely look for swing by our table we're excited so again we have our first advisory

629
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:04,640
 group meeting coming up this week we have a 20 member team we're really excited just across the

630
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:09,360
 board representing those key stakeholder groups our consultants are going to be in town so we'll be at

631
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:16,160
 a parking day on on friday blues fest on saturday and sunday you want to come by and see us there

632
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:21,840
 community survey will be launching and then as i said ongoing public engagement really focusing

633
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:26,720
 on bringing in as much information as we possibly can at the front end so that that will drive then

634
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:32,000
 what is the vision for downtown and then from there what are the action steps that take us to

635
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:39,840
 that vision so happy to answer any questions are you all talking at all about parking we actually

636
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:44,640
 have a separate parking site so we're talking about parking with this but we are also doing

637
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:49,840
 a dedicated parking study to look specifically at that so we brought in another group that is

638
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:55,760
 going to be doing extensive analysis outreach and some fairly high level big data to look at

639
01:06:55,760 --> 01:07:02,720
 where our drivers are parking are so where people are coming from who's using that parking over the

640
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:08,240
 course of the day and then to bring us options for how can we best manage our parking so yes

641
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:13,920
 it's a huge part of it not only this plan but also specifically with that parking study and

642
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:22,960
 that's being run by our transportation planning team it is currently under i guess the management

643
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:26,800
 of economic development because they use their budget for that parking study because it does

644
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:33,200
 relate to downtown businesses people who are utilizing the downtown area but we do have both

645
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:41,360
 of our transportation planners at carina malden auto and farhan but farhan bot he he is the director

646
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:46,640
 of transportation planning so they're both engaged in that and they are helping run that and get that

647
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:50,720
 implemented and so that they can give us that feedback regarding that and give it to the

648
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:58,000
 consultants from then collaborative well thank you for asking that yes um because when i said

649
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:04,960
 something about parking possibly shuttle parking and shuttling people in somebody said what's

650
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:11,360
 matter you don't like a walk but the reality is that you have to provide some way to get there

651
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:19,760
 are people just won't come then we'll go elsewhere not everyone's able to walk honestly that's one of

652
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:24,320
 the things that this plan is really going to look at is how do we strengthen those connections and

653
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:29,040
 try to figure out okay where you know if someone is parking in this particular location and they're

654
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:34,080
 meaning to get to downtown then what what is that walking experience like from from let's say that

655
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:39,200
 public parking lot to um to where they're trying to get to um are there other transportation

656
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:46,320
 opportunities that are available that might be implemented so maybe how we leverage existing

657
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:53,360
 relationships with dcta to help them but for longer term we can plan the idea you know someone

658
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:57,120
 told me that you have to first put the idea in the plan for it to become a reality so um we'll

659
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:02,720
 work on the budget for that one too right but um but to that point but it is it is looking at um

660
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:06,160
 you know where are people parking where are they trying to get to how do we strengthen those

661
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:11,920
 connections um because i think about and i'll use an example one of these days i'm going to

662
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:17,200
 take the train to denton um given my commute so i'm going to take the train to denton but i know

663
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:22,960
 that when i get off at the downtown station then my walk from the downtown station to here i've got

664
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:27,920
 to find probably the route that i feel is the most comfortable for me to be able to walk may or may

665
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:32,800
 not choose hickory because i know that hill's got some climb to it but but but those are like

666
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:37,520
 experiences that we take into consideration what what would make it more inviting more inviting

667
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:46,800
 you think of all those things with the walking and stuff sounds great on a perfect day so you know

668
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:51,760
 right but part of those connections then is okay because it is so hot here how do we provide more

669
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:57,600
 shade right um do are we do we get aggressive in trying to provide more street trees so that

670
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:03,600
 they have an opportunity to mature and provide some of that shade longer term maybe if i um am

671
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:08,000
 brave enough to ride a bike right and and get from the train station to here i haven't ridden a bike

672
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:14,480
 a long time so that's why i say if i'm pregnant but realistically if i'm one who does like to

673
01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:19,520
 cycle like angie does um angie's much more proficient rider um obviously much more than i

674
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:24,480
 am but if i'm trying to ride my bike from point a to point b and i'm using that as a means of

675
01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:31,200
 getting around downtown then how do we help make that much more in inviting for a cyclist who is

676
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:36,640
 interested in using that mode of transportation so our connections throughout downtown but also

677
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:41,280
 into the adjoining communities is going to be important you know earlier i mentioned you know

678
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:45,840
 does downtown provide an opportunity for the residents of southeast how do we help the

679
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:51,280
 residents of southeast and um feel comfortable with coming into downtown strengthening some of

680
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:57,360
 those connections between a neighborhood that's nearby with our downtown area so um so really

681
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:01,120
 you're really looking at those communities or even our neighborhoods to the north and to the south

682
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:07,200
 and over to the west on the other side of carol so it's um it is that's why you probably you know if

683
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:12,560
 you've noticed on all three of these plans mobility is addressed in some form or fashion because it's

684
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:18,160
 an important component to our land use planning and as we think about where we want these areas

685
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:25,440
 to be 20 years from now it's also in what i think for you know we have two large universities here

686
01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:31,440
 and when i say trolley i mean i was kidding but kind of not because i am thinking to get people

687
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:38,080
 downtown but also you know wouldn't it be great to get on the trolley to learn and have a trolley

688
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:42,240
 take you around didn't take you down to the different historic districts and take you into

689
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:48,400
 quaker town and you know it would provide a couple of jobs for people i mean more jobs just thinking

690
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:54,880
 of that too i just think it would we used to have a rail line that's right we did the interment

691
01:11:54,880 --> 01:12:00,480
 but i mean telling those types of stories and things but that could draw in more tourism as

692
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:07,520
 well if you give them something to do so this has been a recurring fantasy of mine is um i'm from

693
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:11,760
 Fayetteville Arkansas which has lots of interesting other transportation things around downtown where

694
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:16,640
 they have agreements where electric bikes now and the little electric scooters are far more

695
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:21,600
 integrated into their system i'd be real interested trying to figure out how they made that happen

696
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:29,280
 while it died on the vine here but Eureka Springs Arkansas has a trolley they are built there some

697
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:34,240
 people call them the swiss alps of the Ozarks because they're steep right and that trolley

698
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:40,000
 has a regular trolley line station that goes through the historic neighborhood into the downtown

699
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:46,000
 and then crawls it has a couple of stops in the outlying areas by the major where the major growth

700
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:54,800
 or the um not surprisingly hotels right and things like that and so it serves two functions it they

701
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:58,640
 have they have the one that's the limited route that just goes down the route then they have a

702
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:04,000
 longer one that connects them to the station that just goes down the round and the longer one is

703
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:09,520
 more set up to be more like picking up people who work and live out and where the apartments

704
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:15,600
 are further out right but their operation there is really fascinating because they

705
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:21,040
 they not surprisingly every city struggles with it right how to maintain it how to keep it going

706
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:28,320
 right but it's a cute little face cute little trolley they mix and match it so you know it

707
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:34,080
 has like a daily rate versus weekly rate etc but uh absolutely and he said that's Eureka Springs

708
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:41,440
 Eureka Springs are that's right well when they had them on the fourth of july i guess

709
01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:46,560
 is that when it poured down right yes the one time it rained this summer

710
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:51,120
 just have parks roll out a really amazing event

711
01:13:54,320 --> 01:14:04,720
 oh yes yes yes and i got rich but the the bus service

712
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:13,040
 park at north texas and brought people in i don't know how well that was publicized not very i don't

713
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:18,880
 think uh but there were buses and that was great you know you could just drive over there and park

714
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:24,880
 on the parking lot and hop on the bus and they circled you around there and dropped you off and

715
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:32,560
 came back and picked you up well there's a recurring fantasy about some of the local business owners

716
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:41,200
 because another concern is part when concerning parking are their employees park close right and

717
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:46,880
 then so what happens if you incentivize them being able to park for their way but now there's safety

718
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:51,920
 concerns like you know girls and young women traveling at night etc etc but the idea is that

719
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:56,960
 this might be something that we could get by in from both economic development standpoint but also

720
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:03,040
 you know possibly look at some grants in order to incentivize like you're saying like incentivize

721
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:09,200
 maybe a small business operation i think it's worth exploring there's more to add but so many

722
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:17,280
 hours on a day so with each of these plans so i think it was mia who said we get to get to the

723
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:23,760
 fun stuff on the implementation right so keep in mind each of these plans um will include an

724
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:31,680
 implementation chapter and i'll have a list of the series of action items that um ideally um we the

725
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:37,200
 city could undertake or identify other partners to be able to help and the recommendations of the

726
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:43,040
 plan come into fruition many times with these plans it is a combination of you know the city

727
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:48,560
 private property owners maybe other entities whether they're non-profits or other businesses

728
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:53,600
 and let's face it developers the developers have a role in helping us get our plans implemented

729
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:59,120
 so know that each of these air plans will have that implementation chapter it'll have a series

730
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:05,360
 of action items associated with it in some cases some of the plans might have certain action items

731
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:10,960
 that are prioritized over others typically they're identified in a short-term mid-term long-term goal

732
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:17,440
 might include just kind of a rough cost estimate whether or not it's low cost to the city to be

733
01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:23,440
 able to implement versus like implementing a trolley system if there's a much greater cost

734
01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:28,960
 associated with with something like that so and that becomes that becomes our roadmap to be able

735
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:34,000
 to work on and be able to implement so one of the things that we're really focused on is is trying

736
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:39,680
 to get to that implementation stage so that these area plans do just not that they just do not sit

737
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:47,200
 on a shelf and collect us and i would suggest looking at at all the federal programs for funding

738
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:54,000
 things because new mexico is a poor state but they have a heck of a lot of transportation and things

739
01:16:54,000 --> 01:17:02,480
 available uh their their senior centers their seniors if they live within five miles of a center

740
01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:10,320
 they can get picked up and dropped off wow yeah i visited a couple of them while i was what three

741
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:18,480
 all together while i was out there this summer and so and i know there's another little bus that runs

742
01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:28,160
 around places so we we should we should look at every venue that might have a dime

743
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:35,840
 and maybe we can get a penny of it there you go

744
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:41,840
 i have a question i have a commitment at seven which i don't think it pretty much is

745
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:46,560
 so if i were what that would be able to function without me

746
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:58,080
 okay let's keep going quickly okay okay item 2b number hlc 23-35 on our agenda is to review

747
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:03,360
 and discuss the proposed historic designation letter for use by staff on behalf of historic landmark

748
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:12,000
 commission did you guys see this yes everyone should have a copy yes so this is what we had

749
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:18,880
 talked about back in june um commissioner treat obviously you were not with us at that time but

750
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:28,880
 i've been reading that okay um so this letter is essentially to express interest of designation on

751
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:36,720
 the historic landmarks commission so it would provide you know the basic introduction talk

752
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:43,760
 about a brief history or reasons that interest um in this property specifically talk about the

753
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:51,360
 different property owner benefits community benefits and then do a really quick and brief

754
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:56,720
 overview of what the difference is between a commemorative acknowledgement versus an actual

755
01:18:56,720 --> 01:19:01,760
 designation status and that's what you see on that table in the back there talking about local

756
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:08,960
 county state and national and then specifically calling out where you could be tax exemption

757
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:13,200
 eligible which i think is really important because that's one of the biggest incentives

758
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:18,480
 of getting designated is like people want to see the money you know they want that property tax or

759
01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:23,840
 whatever it may be so really calling attention to that um and then obviously underneath that there

760
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:28,320
 would be any additional grants that they could maybe be eligible for depending on what their

761
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:35,920
 property i guess in terms of historic integrity or if it's related to a cultural landmark or history

762
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:41,760
 i'm talking about it there and then the point of contact both at the county level who really

763
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:49,120
 handles those state county and national designations and then the local um designations which is myself

764
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:53,680
 um and then the new little slogan of let's preserve denton together

765
01:19:53,680 --> 01:20:05,200
 so um i will welcome any feedback um i i hope it covers everything um but just so that you know

766
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:12,480
 commissioner treat this does relate to um 3c on the agenda um which i'll talk about a little

767
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:20,240
 bit more in detail uh but that is where this connects to that any questions comments

768
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:27,120
 we're gonna move along it looks good to me looks good looks good looks good to me i really like

769
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:36,320
 where you put that um what's said to help against with demolition they manage oh i like that yeah

770
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:45,680
 yeah potential historic yeah preserve okay we're gonna move on item 2c number hlc 23-036 on our

771
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:50,560
 agendas to receive a report hold the discussion give staff direction on the historic landmark

772
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:55,440
 commission's request for local historic designation of eligible historic properties

773
01:20:56,240 --> 01:21:01,840
 so i'm assuming we don't have any um properties up for potential designation today but i just

774
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:07,280
 wanted to provide commissioner treat a background on what this is um just a reminder this is a two

775
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:12,320
 it's similar to a city council style with a two-minute pitch you bring forward a property

776
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:18,160
 um as a commissioner that you think is of um interest in terms of being eligible for

777
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:25,360
 local designation you provide um a little bit of background the property you can provide a map you

778
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:30,880
 basically create a small little powerpoint presentation um and this creates a oh wait sorry

779
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:39,200
 this is matrix but this creates a um a living document where i add um continuously add and then

780
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:45,440
 this would be tied to that so when you all say you wanted to designate this building you say cameron

781
01:21:45,440 --> 01:21:50,880
 we're going to designate this building and we all agree you get the the two or the three votes that

782
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:56,720
 is needed to put it on the list um once that's acquired i can send out this to that property

783
01:21:56,720 --> 01:22:01,200
 owner saying there's interest and that's where we can start getting that conversation going

784
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:06,480
 to potentially get it designated so just want to provide that kind of cool background

785
01:22:06,480 --> 01:22:17,280
 okay okay thank you for that okay item 2d number hlc 23-007 on our agenda is to hold a discussion

786
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:26,480
 regarding the historic landmark commission project mix um so we have three requests so now these all

787
01:22:26,480 --> 01:22:33,120
 relate essentially back to november we had the quantifying the economic impact of preserving

788
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:39,120
 historic properties i started pulling together information for that um discussion regarding

789
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:46,240
 benefits for preserving historic properties i feel like this is kind of resolving that um request

790
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:52,080
 by hlc obviously you all can disagree with me but i think once we start getting this sent out it's

791
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:56,560
 really showing people how you can be incentivized to designate your property so i think we can take

792
01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:03,040
 that off the matrix um this is something that we definitions ad hoc committee obviously at this point

793
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:10,240
 we don't really have any subcommittees um we've as you know we're having some issues about a lot

794
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:15,680
 of resignations as of late so we don't really have a definition ad hoc committee at this point

795
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:21,680
 so that doesn't need to be updated these are some items that have remained for items for consideration

796
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:29,520
 you all did receive that designation research report from legal on friday if you did not please

797
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:37,760
 let us know and then as a reminder these are our 2023 work plan goals so preparing that annual list

798
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:43,280
 potential landmarks tax exemption eligibility and obviously these are some things that are going to

799
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:49,360
 be addressed in those area plans but just wanted to highlight those again and then also as a reminder

800
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:56,480
 these are our future hlc meetings october 9th november 13th and december 11th um but is there

801
01:23:56,480 --> 01:24:02,640
 anything you all want to add or nothing to add but one question yes on that i think if you'll scroll

802
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:09,360
 back up yeah so we talked about the churches and that were in the quaker town area so and you they

803
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:14,480
 said earlier in the presentations that there's been some relationships building yes with some of

804
01:24:14,480 --> 01:24:21,920
 those pastors so is this something we're going to send or where are we with so um this is something

805
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:28,320
 that we can send i am not sure where we're at in terms of the southeast didn't plan if we want to

806
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:32,880
 send those as of yet because i know there was some of the churches were interested some were

807
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:40,960
 interested just initial conversations that we've heard um and i think back in in watch when this

808
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:45,040
 first came up or when we talked about this a couple of months ago i think this didn't we talk about

809
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:52,720
 hosting a meeting having the angels post a meeting as it relates to yes so we could send it to them

810
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:58,000
 as well as any other interested at property owners and be able to do that all collectively together

811
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:02,560
 yeah i just wondered where we were with that yeah i think it's great that y'all are building those

812
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:09,920
 relationships so i was hoping that yeah so i think once we get some of these letters sent out and

813
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:14,480
 include those original ones that we've already put on the list i think we have two properties

814
01:25:14,480 --> 01:25:20,240
 then we can kind of have this sent out and then just say hey we would like to invite you all to

815
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:25,280
 a discussion if you're willing if not you know our contact information is in here we would love to

816
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:29,760
 talk to you with you further if you have any interest so um definitely once those letters

817
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:33,360
 are sent out i can let you all know just give me an update saying hey they've been sent out

818
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:36,240
 hopefully we hear something in the next week or two i'm happy to do that

819
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:43,440
 any other business to discuss

820
01:25:43,440 --> 01:25:50,720
 if not i'm going to adjourn the meeting the meeting is adjourned at 7 12