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 >> Good morning.

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 We are here at the mobility committee, Wednesday, August 23rd, 8 a.m., in council work session

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 room.

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 We are determining that a quorum is present and we -- I think we're -- thank you.

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 Someone else is showing up in the room.

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 So I think we can just maybe leave B where he is now?

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 >> Yes, ma'am.

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 >> Okay.

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 Great.

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 So next on the item list is the citizens' comments.

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 Do we have any citizens that want to comment?

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 No.

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 We're not in it here.

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 So we'll move on to item number 2, items for individual consideration, AMC 23-027, consider

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 approval of the minutes of July 26, 2023.

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 >> I move approval.

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 >> I say it.

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 >> Is there a second?

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 >> Yes.

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 >> All right.

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 I will now vote.

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 >> Aye.

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 >> Aye.

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 Okay.

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 So we'll move on to B, MC 23032, received nomination and elected committee chair and

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 vice chair.

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 Is there anyone who's interested in being the chair of the committee?

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 >> I'm asking for the floor, not asking for the chair.

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 >> Okay.

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 You can have the floor.

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 >> Okay.

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 Thank you.

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 Thank you, chair.

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 I would like to nominate Vicki Byrd to continue as chair.

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 >> Second.

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 >> Okay.

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 And I will agree to that.

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 So we have the committee chair, Vicki Byrd, at their vote, all approval.

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 >> Aye.

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 >> Aye.

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 >> Okay.

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 And also vice chair, anyone interested in being the vice chair?

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 Well, I'll nominate Ryan Beck for vice chair.

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 >> I second that.

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 >> I accept.

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 >> All right.

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 So all in approval, say aye.

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 >> Aye.

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 >> Okay.

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 Great.

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 Then we move down to C, MC 23-029, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the

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 city of Denton transportation mobility project status report.

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 >> My name is John Poulster with innovative transportation solutions and I work for the

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 city of Denton.

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 Should we make that a little larger?

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 That's okay.

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 We'll figure it out.

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 All right.

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 So I see some new faces.

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 I'll go into a little bit more detail than I normally do on these projects.

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 This page shows the projects that we're working on, what their potential let date is, if we

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 know it.

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 And a let date is when it's let for construction, which we anticipate it will go out for a bid

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 for contracting.

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 Who we think the firms are working on it, whether it's a construction or engineering

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 firms and then the general rough construction amount that we are involved in with that particular

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 project.

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 So you'll see that this report covers about $4.5 billion worth of roadway improvements

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 in and around Denton.

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 So the first project we're going to go start up at the north is IH 35 north and you'll

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 see that it's color coded.

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 You got a green, a purple, whatever that middle one is, and then mustard, I guess, at the

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 bottom.

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 And they all have different, what's called a CSJ, and a CSJ for projects is like a road

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 project social security number.

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 That's how they identify it in the system with that CSJ number.

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 And you'll note that this has four CSJs with four different ready to let dates and dollar

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 amounts associated with each of those four.

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 Now you'll see on your report you see a ready to let date and then a let date.

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 The difference between a ready to let and a let date is the ready to let date is when

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 you see the schematic approval is approved, the environmental document is approved, the

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 roadway acquisition is acquired, and utilities are relocated.

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 So once all those four items are done, the project is essentially ready to let and then

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 it'll either have an asterisk in the let date timeframe, which means we don't have any funding,

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 or if we do have funding on the left column, it will show you the let date where they have

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 text that has the dollar amounts earmarked for that particular year.

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 So we have the ability to move these projects up if we get them ready to let sooner than

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 the let date.

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 I noticed on CSJ ends in '76 that it's not on your list.

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 You have 116 on your list, and I was just trying to understand.

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 Can you educate me on the difference in the map versus the list?

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 So I asked the same question at…or answers to me the other day.

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 If you look in the green, there's an '084 and a 116, okay?

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 So that covers the two on the bottom of ready to let, '084 and 116.

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 Then there's the '081, and then there's the '074, the '076.

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 I don't know if we have 455 in this report or not, I don't think we do.

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 So FM455 was a project that goes all the way across the northern part of Denton County.

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 So we're going from the lake east of Sanger all the way out to the county line improving

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 FM455.

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 So that project's already let and under construction, and so what TechSight decided to do for continuity

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 because 455 can't get under the current existing 35 as it is designed to go ahead and let '076

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 with the FM455 job.

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 So it's already under construction.

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 So it doesn't show up in this report because it's being built with another project.

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 It's another project, okay.

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 I appreciate the clarity on that.

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 Yes, sir.

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 Before we move on, is there a way for us to quickly cross-reference?

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 Because I don't think that project was on any of the rest of the slides for today's

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 discussion.

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 So that's a conversation we need to have.

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 I've got more information.

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 Yeah, clearly, you've got to be real quick.

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 So this is for projects that are in and around Denton.

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 And so Denton's got utilities in the '074 project, so they're part of this project up

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 to where the yellow -- whatever that color is, I don't know, green --

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 We can call it yellow.

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 Yellow.

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 So we're just reporting the rest of it because it's all one job.

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 So we can give you -- because we do a report for each one of the four commissioners.

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 So each precinct has its own report like this that covers 455, Milam Road, Outer Loop, all

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 these other things that are countywide.

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 So we have the information we can provide, but typically, on the mobility, we try to

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 stick to those that are in and around Denton.

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 We can make it available.

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 I'll reach out to staff for that, and I appreciate that.

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 Thank you.

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 I have a question.

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 Yes, ma'am.

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 It's just a general question, and I actually know the answer, but for the sake of new folks

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 that are probably listening in, when you use the term "lit," can you explain what that

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 is?

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 Yes, ma'am.

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 Well, we let it for construction is what letting means.

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 So the commission, every third Thursday, opens up bids that they let out for the contractors

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 to bid on in the first week, first Thursday of the month.

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 So they let them out to the public contractors to bid on, which is the "let" term, and then

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 they select the firm based on the lowest bid the third Thursday of the month when they

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 do it.

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 So when you see a "ready to let" date of October, that means a schematic environmental right

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 of when utility is done.

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 When you see a "let" date of July of 2026, that means in July, the first week of July,

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 the project will be put on the street, let out for bid, and then on the third Thursday

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 of the month, they'll select the firm that was the lowest bid.

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 Thank you.

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 And so on this project, you see that they have these "ready to let" dates of March,

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 June, and June of 2024, and then July of 2026, and that is a function of, if you come down

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 to the next page, you'll see there's a significant number of utilities that we're working on,

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 and that "ready to let" for those CSJs is consistent with when those utility providers

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 are telling us they'll have their utilities cleared so that the right-of-way is clear

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 of any impediments to construct the project.

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 So that's how we get to the "ready to let" dates.

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 Can I ask you a question?

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 Absolutely.

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 So when the utilities move their, you know, I guess let's just say water, for me, and

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 they move it and they move it over, is that area that they move it over to, is that already

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 purchased?

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 It depends.

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 So if you're a utility provider in an easement and the state wants you to move away because

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 they're going to take your easement and put it into their right-of-way for a road construction,

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 then that utility provider has two options.

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 They can see if they can fit inside the textile right-of-way because the outside 25 feet of

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 a roadway is what's called an "accommodation zone" for utilities.

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 So if you can fit in there, then you can go back in.

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 But if you can't and you have an easement, then you're compensated to relocate by buying

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 a new easement outside the right-of-way footprint and then moving your utilities.

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 And that's reimbursable, you know, on an interstate it's always 100% reimbursable, on U.S. highways,

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 state highways, and foreign to markets, you're only reimbursable if you're in your own easement.

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 But if you're inside there right-of-way, you move at your own expense because you're there

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 at the leisure of the state.

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 >> Okay.

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 Yeah, and I would just add, Councilmember Byrd, for 35, the majority of the entire project

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 and Trevor can speak to it more if you'd like, we are relocating utilities into easements

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 throughout that entire section.

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 So that project for the majority is reimbursable.

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 >> Okay.

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 >> It's kind of standard practice for us because of the size of our water lines and sewer lines,

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 whether they're collecting or intercepting wastewater or transmitting water, they're

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 at the size, one, they're very large, and the accommodation zone, you saw all the utilities

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 that are trying to fit in there, and typically it's kind of the first 3 to 10 feet that you're

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 looking at trying to fit in because there's a lot of other things in that 25-foot of right-of-way

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 drainage structures, et cetera.

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 And then I would also mention that we also want them to be exclusive for the City of

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 Denton Water and Wastewater easements because we want to be able to access and maintain

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 our infrastructure.

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 >> Thank you.

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 >> Yes, ma'am.

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 >> So then just south of this -- that project, we call it the I-35EW merge, and it's where

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 the two 35s come together, and it ends at 77 where that previous job starts.

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 And again, this one only has one CSJ, and it has multiple CSJ, but it only has one ready

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 to let date because this whole project is going as a single project, and we are close

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 approaching our April 2024 ready to let date, which is also the let date, so we have very

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 little flexibility on hitting those marks.

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 And so we're meeting regularly with all of these folks to make sure they hit their marks

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 so that we can let these -- let this project in April, and this is a $466 million -- half

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 a billion-dollar job.

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 To put that in perspective, what y'all lived through when we did the interim improvement

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 on 35 from 380 to 635, that was only about $1.4 billion.

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 So we're putting a half a billion dollars' worth of improvements in this little area

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 because we're building 35, and the E's and W merges to their ultimate configuration as

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 opposed to an interim, which is what we did further to the south, and the ultimate configuration

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 is you've got three lanes of traffic in each direction, two, three frontage roads, which

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 means there's two frontage roads until you get to an exit ramp, then there's three lanes

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 between the exit and the entrance, and then there's two to the intersection, and then

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 four toll-managed lanes up to 380, and then we won't -- they won't be operational at

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 this point, but we'll still build a pavement, and then we'll go to six lanes north of 380

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 with the two, three frontage roads all the way to 77.

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 In this area, you know you have a problem on the merges between E and W and then trying

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 to get to 380 where all that traffic stacks up on 35.

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 There's a braided ramp there that will be built with this job.

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 What a braided ramp is when you have an entrance ramp and an exit ramp in the same location,

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 the entrance ramp goes up and down over the exit, so you'll exit, and then people will

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 be getting on the freeway by going up over a broad bridge structure to get onto the freeway,

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 and you always put the exit ramp at grade because that gets you to your retail quicker,

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 right?

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 There's no walls to impact it, so we'll have braided ramps in this area, which should go

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 a long way to solve all the congestion problems.

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 And then further south on 35E, we are reconstructing the Mayhill interchange, and you'll see that

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 it looks like a long sword up to 288 because when we did the Luke 288 job, we did the southbound

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 frontage road to Mayhill because of the brinker development, and now that when we're doing

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 the Mayhill job, we're going to do the northbound frontage road all the way to 288, but it also

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 has two additional unique components in that you'll have at 288, if you're familiar with

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 that interchange, you have 10 lanes going underneath 35, you've got two through lanes,

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 two lefts, and one U-turn, so that's a total of 10. 2499 has six lanes coming up, Mayhill

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 will have six lanes ultimate coming south, so the Mayhill bridge will be 12 lanes, it'll

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 be larger than the Luke 288 grade separation, so it'll have three through in each direction,

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 two dual lefts, and then your Texas U-turns.

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 When we built the brinker job, we punched brinker through and put a signal there and

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 it ruined everything, you can't get through there, and so what we're doing is on the Mayhill

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 job, both northbound and southbound, we are adding a frontage road, we're adding one of

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 the frontage roads in each direction that will go up, match the grade of the main lanes

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 and come back down, so if you want to go from Mayhill to Luke 288, you will no longer have

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 to stop at brinker, you'll go up and back down and stop at Luke 288, as opposed to have

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 to go to the brinker signal, and same thing coming southbound, if you're exiting to get

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 to Mayhill, you have to exit just south of 288, you'll run the frontage road, two frontage

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 roads will go down to the signal and one will go up, attach to the main lanes and then come

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 drop back down, because if you notice where we built brinker was just offset to that creek,

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 so it's a natural swell, and so it's really easy for us to just match the grade of 35

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 there with one of the frontage roads, so we'll have a bypass for lack of a better word, so

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 those are two main things associated with Mayhill, and we're looking at, we're going

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 to be ready in February, and we have to work on getting the date moved up from June of

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 2025 to February 24, which is doable because we're using category two funds, which are

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 controlled locally.

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 Thank you Madam Chair, and forgive me if you all have already looked at this, I don't remember

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 seeing this in the presentation we had on with the Mayhill Bridge, you said three lanes

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 are going to go through on each side for Mayhill, it's going to be total 12?

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 At 35.

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 Okay.

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 So y'all are working on Mayhill as well to the north of there, you're bridging DCTA?

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 Sure, so on Mayhill between Medical City and the Baylor, the quick trip, are we going to

00:19:03.080 --> 00:19:09.560
 cut out some of that center median to add another lane to go through as well?

00:19:09.560 --> 00:19:12.800
 I don't remember seeing that, you know what I'm talking about?

00:19:12.800 --> 00:19:16.120
 I do know what you're talking about, I'm going to have to get Trevor to answer that question

00:19:16.120 --> 00:19:20.680
 for you because I don't have all of the lanes, my understanding is yes, it's three lanes

00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:21.680
 each direction.

00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:22.680
 I can answer that.

00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:29.040
 So within a certain distance away from 35, when TxDOT comes in and builds an interchange,

00:19:29.040 --> 00:19:36.600
 it goes back a distance roughly around 600 feet, so for that 600 feet, we have to have

00:19:36.600 --> 00:19:42.240
 all six lanes of Mayhill constructed because the signal and the intersection underneath

00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:43.560
 the interstate won't work.

00:19:43.560 --> 00:19:47.120
 So that'll be built with the state's job.

00:19:47.120 --> 00:19:52.840
 Your job from the north coming across DCTA will get to Colorado and then there'll be

00:19:52.840 --> 00:19:55.440
 some transition there at Colorado.

00:19:55.440 --> 00:19:57.800
 But from Colorado to 35?

00:19:57.800 --> 00:20:01.480
 Yeah, that's the part we're not talking about because I've got to find a way to sneak that

00:20:01.480 --> 00:20:04.040
 in to the state's job without them knowing it.

00:20:04.040 --> 00:20:05.040
 Okay, just kidding.

00:20:05.040 --> 00:20:06.800
 We're going to get it fixed.

00:20:06.800 --> 00:20:08.200
 We're going to fix it somehow.

00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:09.200
 Okay, thank you.

00:20:09.200 --> 00:20:10.200
 I appreciate it.

00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:11.200
 With one of these jobs.

00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:12.200
 Thank you.

00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:13.200
 My bad.

00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:17.680
 I remember I asked that similar question and he said, "Oh, we'll take care of that."

00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:18.680
 We've got that.

00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:20.080
 I've got to tell me what not to mention in public.

00:20:20.080 --> 00:20:21.080
 We're going to get forgiveness.

00:20:21.080 --> 00:20:22.080
 You're fine.

00:20:22.080 --> 00:20:23.080
 We're going to get forgiveness.

00:20:23.080 --> 00:20:26.080
 John knows he's going to help and make that happen.

00:20:26.080 --> 00:20:27.080
 Make it happen.

00:20:27.080 --> 00:20:29.120
 It'll be easy enough.

00:20:29.120 --> 00:20:30.120
 Uh-oh.

00:20:30.120 --> 00:20:31.120
 Okay.

00:20:31.120 --> 00:20:46.020
 We know it's a problem, absolutely, and we're working to include it one way or the other.

00:20:46.020 --> 00:20:53.200
 So now we go to the other 35W and what we're working on, and again what we can do is, depending

00:20:53.200 --> 00:20:59.800
 upon what your desire to see beyond your scope, we are actually working on the frontage roads

00:20:59.800 --> 00:21:05.280
 on 35W all the way south to Texas Motor Speedway.

00:21:05.280 --> 00:21:15.680
 We have it broken up into three segments from 407 to 2449 and then 2449 to where our merged

00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:22.520
 job stops and then from 407 down to basically Del Earnhardt.

00:21:22.520 --> 00:21:29.680
 The total for all of this is about 600, 700 million.

00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:37.800
 We have about 288 million for all of 35W already in the 10-year plan.

00:21:37.800 --> 00:21:41.880
 But for whatever reason, the commission put it on the southern portion because they think

00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:43.960
 you build things south to north.

00:21:43.960 --> 00:21:50.640
 All of the development that's going on on 35W right now is in and around 407 up to 2449,

00:21:50.640 --> 00:21:58.240
 Coal Ranch, Hunter, Merdod stuff, Harvest, all that stuff going on.

00:21:58.240 --> 00:22:02.160
 So our priority is the middle section.

00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:08.000
 Because basically once you get south of 1171, you can see there's a big creek there.

00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:10.200
 There's no development there.

00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:14.440
 North of 2449, nobody wants to touch that because you've got a big creek section and

00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:15.540
 a railroad track.

00:22:15.540 --> 00:22:21.480
 So we're all fighting to see who's the last person that has to build that section.

00:22:21.480 --> 00:22:22.960
 But we're focused on this.

00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:24.920
 We've got WSP doing the design.

00:22:24.920 --> 00:22:26.120
 It's environmentally cleared.

00:22:26.120 --> 00:22:30.160
 They're buying right away, and typically once the state buys the right away, they are committed

00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:31.240
 to the project.

00:22:31.240 --> 00:22:37.600
 So it's just a matter of we're going to have it ready to let by the end of this next year.

00:22:37.600 --> 00:22:43.600
 When you see a let date that's four or five years out, 2028, that's just a number.

00:22:43.600 --> 00:22:50.320
 The first four years, '23, '24, '25, '26, and so next year it'll be '27.

00:22:50.320 --> 00:22:51.760
 Those first four years matter.

00:22:51.760 --> 00:22:56.560
 Anything outside that four-year period is just a holding spot for the last six years

00:22:56.560 --> 00:22:57.560
 of the 10-year plan.

00:22:57.560 --> 00:22:59.840
 It doesn't move around all the time.

00:22:59.840 --> 00:23:08.160
 So we've been told that this is a priority to the commission.

00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:11.920
 And so we think that once we're ready to let in December, sometime next year, we'll be

00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:17.760
 able to come back and tell you that we've got money for the frontage roads for this section.

00:23:17.760 --> 00:23:21.000
 All right.

00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:22.000
 This is the section.

00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:27.000
 Can I -- excuse me, can I ask -- just clarify.

00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:30.600
 So the only thing that we're doing at this point and we're concerned about at this point

00:23:30.600 --> 00:23:32.080
 is just the frontage roads.

00:23:32.080 --> 00:23:33.080
 Okay.

00:23:33.080 --> 00:23:34.080
 Yes.

00:23:34.080 --> 00:23:39.920
 So, you know, no toll road, no, you know, exchanges, just straight frontage road right

00:23:39.920 --> 00:23:40.920
 now.

00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:43.800
 So you want the short answer or the long, real answer?

00:23:43.800 --> 00:23:44.800
 Short.

00:23:44.800 --> 00:23:45.800
 Short.

00:23:45.800 --> 00:23:46.800
 Yes.

00:23:46.800 --> 00:23:47.800
 Okay.

00:23:47.800 --> 00:23:48.800
 Got it.

00:23:48.800 --> 00:23:51.240
 That's helpful.

00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:52.880
 Yes.

00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:56.880
 If I may as well, with your description based off of the arbitrary dates, we should then

00:23:56.880 --> 00:24:00.960
 assume that the date will -- the let date will be moved up.

00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:01.960
 Yes, sir.

00:24:01.960 --> 00:24:02.960
 Okay.

00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:07.960
 I think the commission might have a concern about the word arbitrary, but yes, they -- what

00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:13.080
 they do is they have a 10-year plan and it's about $80 billion for that 10 years.

00:24:13.080 --> 00:24:17.080
 And so the federal government requires each year to be financially constrained.

00:24:17.080 --> 00:24:21.000
 So they stick it in a year, but that year has to balance to what they have for that

00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:22.000
 year.

00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:27.560
 But what happens by the time you get to 2028, all your priorities change and the projects

00:24:27.560 --> 00:24:31.920
 that are in the list in '23 for '28 are never the projects that get built in '28.

00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:32.920
 It's something different.

00:24:32.920 --> 00:24:36.040
 It's just -- it's like a horse race.

00:24:36.040 --> 00:24:39.560
 Every time we see an example like this as a new committee member, I should assume the

00:24:39.560 --> 00:24:41.280
 date is actually going to be moved up, this kind of --

00:24:41.280 --> 00:24:42.280
 Yes, sir.

00:24:42.280 --> 00:24:43.280
 You should.

00:24:43.280 --> 00:24:44.280
 Otherwise, y'all should fire me.

00:24:44.280 --> 00:24:45.280
 Thank you, sir.

00:24:45.280 --> 00:24:46.280
 Thank you, Madam Chair.

00:24:46.280 --> 00:24:47.280
 All right.

00:24:47.280 --> 00:24:55.320
 So 380 -- we call it 377, 380 because it's a dual moniker, but --

00:24:55.320 --> 00:24:58.080
 John, I think you didn't answer Councilmember Byrd's question.

00:24:58.080 --> 00:24:59.440
 She said she wanted a short answer.

00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:00.440
 I just wanted a short answer.

00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:01.440
 Okay.

00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:02.440
 You're good?

00:25:02.440 --> 00:25:03.440
 I'm good.

00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:04.440
 I'm good.

00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:05.440
 Okay.

00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:06.440
 I'm sorry.

00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:07.440
 I just wanted to make sure because I didn't see you shake your head that you were good.

00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:08.440
 I'm good.

00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:09.440
 Okay.

00:25:09.440 --> 00:25:10.440
 I'm sorry, John.

00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:11.440
 Go ahead.

00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:12.440
 Straight to the point.

00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:13.440
 Okay.

00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:14.440
 380.

00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:16.620
 So it's under construction right now.

00:25:16.620 --> 00:25:25.080
 White Oaks has the contract, and we are looking at a -- so this is the first time you've seen

00:25:25.080 --> 00:25:26.080
 this.

00:25:26.080 --> 00:25:31.720
 So whenever you have a project in your report that's actually under construction, what we

00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:38.400
 do is we get the tech stock to provide us a monthly report that tells us what they're

00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:40.400
 currently doing, right?

00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:43.200
 And because I don't trust them, I want them to know what they were doing last month so

00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:47.880
 that they're not still doing the same thing this month, and then what they're planning

00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:48.980
 to do next month.

00:25:48.980 --> 00:25:55.360
 And then we want to know what issues are impacting traffic, what are changes in traffic pattern,

00:25:55.360 --> 00:25:59.480
 because you all need to know that in advance so you can let your residents know if anything

00:25:59.480 --> 00:26:02.360
 impacting the project's completion.

00:26:02.360 --> 00:26:07.440
 And so I skip the narratives, and I go straight to those last items.

00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:16.920
 And we're basically working -- we're about 29 days behind on this job, so we're looking

00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:25.200
 at trying to get this January 24 back into December of '23.

00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:31.120
 And then if you'll look, Brandon Barnett is the tech stock project manager, so you don't

00:26:31.120 --> 00:26:32.120
 have to hunt me down.

00:26:32.120 --> 00:26:37.580
 If you got a question, they're trained, you can pick up the phone and call them and just

00:26:37.580 --> 00:26:43.120
 tell them who you are and ask the question, and they'll answer it.

00:26:43.120 --> 00:26:47.180
 >> We're going to get to it in a second, so I may -- you know, you may want to revisit

00:26:47.180 --> 00:26:53.640
 it when we get to the 288 bypass in about three slides.

00:26:53.640 --> 00:27:00.480
 But if we're finishing these curb cuts, median construction, sidewalks, how is the impact

00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:08.240
 of that project of the bridge over Mingo to 288 going to impact this brand-new finishing

00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:09.240
 development?

00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:10.240
 >> Right.

00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:14.560
 >> Because they're in the same location.

00:27:14.560 --> 00:27:17.400
 >> So what we're doing here is an interim improvement.

00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:23.880
 So we're adding -- we went from four lanes with a flush median to six lanes with a raised

00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:32.440
 median, because the traffic on that project road section is high enough that where a flush

00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:36.960
 median is significantly more dangerous because of the volume of traffic.

00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:41.040
 So we have to do the grade separation -- I mean, the raised median, but we're adding

00:27:41.040 --> 00:27:43.600
 additional lane in each direction while we do that.

00:27:43.600 --> 00:27:48.760
 Further -- I don't know if we have that in the report, but further east of this project,

00:27:48.760 --> 00:27:53.480
 just past where 377 goes north, we're adding another fifth and sixth lane, but we're also

00:27:53.480 --> 00:28:00.200
 adding five grade separations at Navo, Till, Legacy, 720, and 423.

00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:09.240
 So 380 east of 377 starts to be coming a super street or just a junior highway, right?

00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:13.440
 There's still going to be some at-grade locations, but the majority of where the traffic impacts

00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:15.720
 380 will be grade separated.

00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:27.440
 The ultimate intent for 380 is a freeway all the way to 288, which will be six lanes, 500-foot

00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:34.960
 footprint and frontage roads, grade separations, so it'll be a bigger impact.

00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:42.840
 We're already working -- the county is already working with TechStat on that, and we're primarily

00:28:42.840 --> 00:28:48.960
 focused with Crossroads and Little Lamb because their commercial retail is right on 380, and

00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:56.040
 when you widen from 150 feet to 500 feet, everything you see along that road is a historical

00:28:56.040 --> 00:28:57.040
 marker.

00:28:57.040 --> 00:29:02.680
 So we've got some time, and we're working with Crossroads to rebuild their commercial

00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:07.360
 hub somewhere off of 380, same thing with Little Lamb, move it off 380 so that when

00:29:07.360 --> 00:29:13.080
 we come through with a freeway and we take Walmart and we take all that stuff, they'll

00:29:13.080 --> 00:29:19.240
 already have a commercial hub up and running because it's about 20 years out.

00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:28.520
 288 will be -- is actually acting as a freeway now by permit and agreement between Denton,

00:29:28.520 --> 00:29:31.480
 Denton County, and TechStat, and it's been operating that way.

00:29:31.480 --> 00:29:35.760
 That's why there's no development on that quadrant for the last 35 years.

00:29:35.760 --> 00:29:41.480
 Well, we've gotten to a point now where 288, the city of Denton is growing so much that

00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:44.120
 there's so much development that wants to hit 288.

00:29:44.120 --> 00:29:48.800
 We have to get those frontage roads in because what you see out there are main lanes.

00:29:48.800 --> 00:29:52.740
 They operate as main lanes, they're graded as main lanes, and they're posted at main

00:29:52.740 --> 00:29:53.740
 lanes.

00:29:53.740 --> 00:29:59.160
 So what we're doing on 288 is coming in and adding the frontage roads so that the development

00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:02.800
 can front the frontage and not impact the main lanes.

00:30:02.800 --> 00:30:07.720
 So since we have 380 coming ultimately as a freeway, the intent is to get them out of

00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:14.560
 the core of Denton, get them to 35 as quickly as possible by 288 being a freeway.

00:30:14.560 --> 00:30:20.800
 So we have to have a tie between 288 and 380 that's a freeway and not a signalized intersection

00:30:20.800 --> 00:30:22.360
 like it is now.

00:30:22.360 --> 00:30:26.320
 We can't do it anywhere near that location because of the design speed, we have to have

00:30:26.320 --> 00:30:31.280
 a more gentle curve and that's what you see on that next slide that we'll get to when

00:30:31.280 --> 00:30:37.400
 we get to 288 is we're doing that tie in ultimately to 380.

00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:45.000
 But what we're doing now here is interim and it will all just be torn out from wherever

00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:50.840
 288 and 380 comes together east of there and then we'll figure out what we're going to

00:30:50.840 --> 00:31:00.280
 do from 288 back to the loop that would probably turn into a local street of some sort.

00:31:00.280 --> 00:31:02.680
 Okay, I appreciate that, thank you.

00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:05.120
 Yes, one more question.

00:31:05.120 --> 00:31:07.040
 Thank you Madam Chair.

00:31:07.040 --> 00:31:11.000
 I was thinking of a question that I had at the tech stop meeting, I probably should have

00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:16.760
 asked him this, but in the city of Denton a couple of those businesses on the east side,

00:31:16.760 --> 00:31:22.760
 on university on the east side of 288, I'm thinking of I guess those businesses to the

00:31:22.760 --> 00:31:31.840
 north side of university across from the Quick Trip, are all those businesses going to be

00:31:31.840 --> 00:31:34.840
 impacted or are they mostly out of the way?

00:31:34.840 --> 00:31:40.720
 So I think Quick Trip, I went to that page, so I think Quick Trip is somewhere in this

00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:43.480
 area, Quick Trip and this is Mayhill.

00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:48.800
 So you've got your racetrack here and your Quick Trip is somewhere here.

00:31:48.800 --> 00:31:54.400
 On this location back west, we're going to leave that road as we're building it now,

00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:59.840
 just a six lane, it's an arterial now, it'll stay an arterial because we'll take the freeway

00:31:59.840 --> 00:32:05.840
 traffic up and around and this will be the freeway designation.

00:32:05.840 --> 00:32:12.120
 And so anything between, I can't remember the name of the road, but we can get you the

00:32:12.120 --> 00:32:19.600
 schematic, anything where 288 and 380 diverge back west will stay as a normal arterial with

00:32:19.600 --> 00:32:20.600
 the normal access.

00:32:20.600 --> 00:32:24.720
 Is that what you're asking?

00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:28.520
 Not particularly asking for the businesses, but I'm asking for those few residents that

00:32:28.520 --> 00:32:32.080
 live just north of the Quick Trip on the other side of university in that little cut out

00:32:32.080 --> 00:32:33.080
 neighborhood there.

00:32:33.080 --> 00:32:35.600
 How much more impact those folks are going to incur?

00:32:35.600 --> 00:32:40.040
 Well, they should reduce their impact because all of the through traffic is going to be

00:32:40.040 --> 00:32:43.120
 behind them going up to 288.

00:32:43.120 --> 00:32:48.280
 And all they'll have to deal with on that spur, for lack of a better word, is what we

00:32:48.280 --> 00:32:53.520
 call O&D traffic, origination and destination, people that are going there for a reason,

00:32:53.520 --> 00:32:54.520
 not to pass through it.

00:32:54.520 --> 00:32:55.520
 It's going to make them happy.

00:32:55.520 --> 00:32:59.000
 I know we've regularly received emails from those folks in that little cut out neighborhood

00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:00.000
 right there.

00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:04.160
 And once we get this established, the other thing you'll be able to do is you'll be able

00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:11.760
 to, right now, you've got truck traffic that turns and goes up out of Denton proper, but

00:33:11.760 --> 00:33:20.080
 we'll be able to give them a more free movement to 35 and then we'll go back to 288 west.

00:33:20.080 --> 00:33:25.480
 That'll then give them another freeway down to 380 to keep going west.

00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:33.920
 John, I just wanted to add that Council Member McGee, during the, recently there was a loop

00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:39.160
 288 public hearing held at the high school where two different options were shown in

00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:42.520
 this area with the connection between the loop and 380.

00:33:42.520 --> 00:33:47.160
 And so they're collecting all the comments and all the feedback, and you can see right

00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:49.560
 there the public meeting was held on the 27th.

00:33:49.560 --> 00:33:52.360
 So they're working to collect all the comments and the feedback.

00:33:52.360 --> 00:33:58.080
 Once they have a more aligned schematic route that shows what the impacts are and take into

00:33:58.080 --> 00:34:03.440
 consideration all the feedback that's received, then they'll bring that to the city's attention.

00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:07.800
 And John will be able to give you a more thorough review of every single property that would

00:34:07.800 --> 00:34:12.000
 be impacted or not impacted along with the consultant who's working on this project.

00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:16.680
 So at this point, as we've been mentioning, it's kind of a line on a map, a graphical

00:34:16.680 --> 00:34:21.120
 representation, you know, but as they work through those designs, then they'll be able

00:34:21.120 --> 00:34:26.720
 to show exactly what's impacted, what's not impacted, and, you know, some of those connections

00:34:26.720 --> 00:34:31.360
 that John's talking about are near Cooper Creek Road, Giesling, some of those roadways

00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:35.180
 to the east of that location, so there'll be more information.

00:34:35.180 --> 00:34:41.840
 It's just in a very schematic, working, beginning to work through environmental clearance, so

00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:42.840
 maybe explain that, John.

00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:46.480
 >> Yeah, two things real quick is you see where we're saying environmental clearance

00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:49.000
 by July 2025.

00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:53.880
 The closer we get to that day, the more specific we know what we're going to clear because

00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:59.040
 you have to clear it and you have to tell the public what impacts that particular road

00:34:59.040 --> 00:35:00.040
 has.

00:35:00.040 --> 00:35:05.080
 By the summer of next year, this schematic will be approved, and that schematic will

00:35:05.080 --> 00:35:09.040
 then go through the environmental clearance process, and we'll be able to tell you exactly

00:35:09.040 --> 00:35:16.120
 the impacts, what properties are taken, what properties are near misses, et cetera.

00:35:16.120 --> 00:35:22.040
 And if you want to know the information, I think you get these reports to you electronically,

00:35:22.040 --> 00:35:28.440
 you should, and if you do get them electronically, any time you see a blue link in the report,

00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:32.320
 if you'll touch that link when you get it electronically, it'll take you straight to

00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:39.080
 TechStop's webpage and show you everything that they presented at the public meeting

00:35:39.080 --> 00:35:41.160
 so you don't have to go look for it.

00:35:41.160 --> 00:35:43.400
 Touch the link, it'll take you there.

00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:51.560
 >> Yes, John, to follow up on that, this report is in the Friday report on the week of the

00:35:51.560 --> 00:35:56.340
 Mobility Committee, so Megan, make sure that we don't miss that out and put it in there.

00:35:56.340 --> 00:36:00.480
 So you'll see it monthly, John's just going through the detailed information, but then

00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:05.920
 you can use that as a resource, and we want to make sure all council has that further

00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:09.280
 opportunity to use that.

00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:10.280
 >> One last question, if I might.

00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:11.280
 >> Okay.

00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:15.440
 >> So we're going to need another bridge over the railroad, right?

00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:21.760
 With the little spur, I guess not with the spur, with the new highway going up to our

00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:24.280
 existing 288?

00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:28.800
 >> If we impact the railroad, we are not going to be at grade, I can tell you that.

00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:36.080
 I'm not sure exactly yet whether or not we are, but I don't think we are, because nobody's

00:36:36.080 --> 00:36:42.040
 told us that there's a railroad issue yet, and we look for that first.

00:36:42.040 --> 00:36:48.760
 >> So the railroad I believe you're referring to is on the south side of this connection,

00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:52.960
 not on the north side of this connection, so if I'm thinking about it correctly based

00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:57.800
 on some of the schematics I've seen, I don't believe there's an impact to the railroad.

00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:02.120
 >> There's no railroad yet, we're not impacting any railroad.

00:37:02.120 --> 00:37:05.960
 >> It's on the south side of Mingo Road, and the connection is on the north side of Mingo

00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:07.380
 Road.

00:37:07.380 --> 00:37:12.960
 >> So maybe there's a bit of a discrepancy, I'm not probably not saying it correctly,

00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:20.320
 so we've got the highway going from 380 East that's going to jump up to 288.

00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:32.360
 There's a railroad there, because the railroad jumps on the north side of University just

00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:33.360
 before 288.

00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:36.000
 >> Yeah, the railroad crosses, but it's on the south side, it goes right by Denton Bible

00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:37.440
 every Sunday.

00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:41.240
 >> I'm talking on the other side, on the east side of 288.

00:37:41.240 --> 00:37:43.640
 >> Yeah, but it's the same railroad.

00:37:43.640 --> 00:37:48.200
 >> It's the same railroad, but there's going to have to be a bridge there, right?

00:37:48.200 --> 00:37:51.640
 >> It's on the south of 380.

00:37:51.640 --> 00:37:53.080
 >> On the east side of 288.

00:37:53.080 --> 00:37:58.120
 >> Okay, I'll have to go look at a map, because there's no railroad we're impacting on our

00:37:58.120 --> 00:37:59.120
 job.

00:37:59.120 --> 00:38:04.880
 >> 100% you are, there's a railroad that comes up Mingo Parallels, Mingo only goes up to

00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:05.880
 Fish Trap.

00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:06.880
 >> May I go up to the screen?

00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:07.880
 >> Yes.

00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:10.880
 >> You can go up to the screen.

00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:11.880
 >> You got a map?

00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:15.600
 I mean, this is just a pictorial, a base map.

00:38:15.600 --> 00:38:21.320
 >> So, there's a railroad that goes like this, right?

00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:28.080
 On the east side of 288, it jumps to the north side, the north side of University, correct?

00:38:28.080 --> 00:38:29.080
 >> Yes, correct.

00:38:29.080 --> 00:38:30.080
 You are correct.

00:38:30.080 --> 00:38:34.240
 >> Is there going to be a bridge right here, wherever we impact, a new bridge?

00:38:34.240 --> 00:38:39.080
 >> If there is a railroad in that area, and we are putting a freeway in that area, there

00:38:39.080 --> 00:38:40.680
 will be a great separation.

00:38:40.680 --> 00:38:45.720
 >> So, that's not going to be on us, right?

00:38:45.720 --> 00:38:46.720
 >> None of that is on you.

00:38:46.720 --> 00:38:48.480
 >> None of this project is us.

00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:49.480
 >> Okay.

00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:54.160
 >> But John is correct, whatever the impact is, it will not be an at-grade crossing from

00:38:54.160 --> 00:38:59.560
 what they're currently looking at, it would be a bridge that would go over the railroad.

00:38:59.560 --> 00:39:03.120
 So, you're talking about the railroad that's running on the south side of Mingo, and then

00:39:03.120 --> 00:39:04.560
 makes the curve and goes in.

00:39:04.560 --> 00:39:05.560
 >> Yes, ma'am.

00:39:05.560 --> 00:39:06.560
 >> Okay, I'm following you now.

00:39:06.560 --> 00:39:11.440
 There's some residents up there and trailers and older homes, is that inside the city?

00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:14.520
 The reason why I ask is because I was asking for those folks.

00:39:14.520 --> 00:39:18.040
 It's kind of a rural area, and there are some trailers I was asking about.

00:39:18.040 --> 00:39:21.560
 >> Are you asking about a spur of some sort on the railroad?

00:39:21.560 --> 00:39:25.360
 >> No, I'm asking about the railroad, because if there's some residents up there and a bridge

00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:29.160
 has to be constructed and that's inside the city of Denton, I was just curious what the

00:39:29.160 --> 00:39:32.400
 impact is going to be for those folks, if we know this far in advance.

00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:34.840
 We might not know, and I will accept I don't know yet.

00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:40.200
 >> Yeah, so I think for those type of very specific questions, because it's just in a

00:39:40.200 --> 00:39:44.640
 schematic phase at this point, and they're just looking at options, I don't know that

00:39:44.640 --> 00:39:48.680
 they have that detailed of information complete at this time.

00:39:48.680 --> 00:39:53.760
 What I would recommend is we bring that back when we get to future items, agenda items.

00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:57.280
 You bring that up at that time, and you haven't done this before.

00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:01.680
 So at the very end, when we go through the staff report, there'll be future agenda items.

00:40:01.680 --> 00:40:05.680
 Why don't you bring that up, and at that time, then we'll be able to bring it back at the

00:40:05.680 --> 00:40:10.520
 next meeting with more detailed information as to exactly >> It's okay, I don't know yet.

00:40:10.520 --> 00:40:15.560
 >> I'm looking at an area, and where we're going, there's no train.

00:40:15.560 --> 00:40:21.240
 I'm looking at it, it's right here, I mean they're >> We'll be able to bring >> It took

00:40:21.240 --> 00:40:22.240
 us nine years.

00:40:22.240 --> 00:40:26.680
 You know Fort Worth Drive, as you leave out south on 377 Fort Worth Drive?

00:40:26.680 --> 00:40:27.680
 >> Yes, sir.

00:40:27.680 --> 00:40:31.040
 >> That bridge took us nine years to get approval on.

00:40:31.040 --> 00:40:34.720
 So if there's a railroad in my project, I'm aware of it.

00:40:34.720 --> 00:40:40.320
 And I'm just saying, I'll go look, but there's not any impact to any bridge on what I see

00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:41.320
 on my aerial.

00:40:41.320 --> 00:40:42.320
 >> All right.

00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:43.320
 Thank you, Madam Chair.

00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:44.320
 >> So we'll figure it out.

00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:45.320
 >> Yes, ma'am.

00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:46.320
 Thank you all.

00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:47.320
 >> Okay.

00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:48.320
 Yes, sir.

00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:49.320
 Let's do that, and then we'll be able to get that clarified.

00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:50.320
 >> Thank you, ma'am.

00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:52.160
 >> Absolutely.

00:40:52.160 --> 00:40:58.000
 >> So this is where I, Bonnie Bray is part of, I'll go back up here.

00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.820
 You see this, let me zoom.

00:41:00.820 --> 00:41:07.480
 We just call out as a separate item for your report because you have a Bonnie Bray project.

00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:11.500
 But you see this segment right here where all this Bonnie Bray tie-in occurs on the

00:41:11.500 --> 00:41:15.920
 Luke 288?

00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:20.960
 Where it ties into Luke 288, that project is included in 288.

00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:34.560
 And so Westwood is environmentally clarifying that section as well, which is this report

00:41:34.560 --> 00:41:35.560
 this section right here.

00:41:35.560 --> 00:41:40.400
 We're just calling out as a separate item because you have Bonnie Bray in phases, and

00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:44.560
 this is technically Bonnie Bray phase seven, segment seven.

00:41:44.560 --> 00:41:51.380
 But we've included it, and it will be built by TechSight and COG, so it won't be paid

00:41:51.380 --> 00:41:56.280
 for by the city.

00:41:56.280 --> 00:41:59.580
 And then 1515 is your airport road.

00:41:59.580 --> 00:42:00.580
 It's a six-lane.

00:42:00.580 --> 00:42:05.840
 We're going from a two-lane rural to a six-lane divided.

00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:09.340
 And we're on track for a ready to let of June of 2025.

00:42:09.340 --> 00:42:14.760
 We had to do a little bit of changing because at the public meeting and public hearing,

00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:21.360
 the people that made comments for some of these businesses were the local management.

00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:24.940
 And when the corporate management heard what was going on, the corporate wanted to make

00:42:24.940 --> 00:42:28.000
 some changes, so we went in and decided it would be easier just to accommodate.

00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:32.800
 So I had to back up a little bit on the schematic and do a re-eval.

00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:33.800
 That's where you see the re-eval.

00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:38.820
 So that kind of pushed everything out a little bit, but we're buying right away, and we should

00:42:38.820 --> 00:42:43.920
 be done this month.

00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:52.040
 And it's a $34 million job, and we'll get it funded by the time we get it ready to let

00:42:52.040 --> 00:42:53.240
 it.

00:42:53.240 --> 00:43:00.520
 1173, this is a realignment of FM 1173 based on the City of Denton's thoroughfare plan

00:43:00.520 --> 00:43:03.380
 where we take out the Barthole Road.

00:43:03.380 --> 00:43:05.920
 We are in the process of getting it cleared.

00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:11.000
 It was cleared August of 2021.

00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:12.800
 The county's doing the engineering on it.

00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:17.800
 Half Associates is our consultant from the county's level.

00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:26.560
 And we've been told to focus on the RATO acquisition mapping from 35 back past the rural tract

00:43:26.560 --> 00:43:33.840
 because TXOT wants to build that as part of that bigger 35 job to get the interchange

00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:35.120
 all set and ready to go.

00:43:35.120 --> 00:43:41.960
 So it doesn't have any funding allocated yet, but we're figuring about half a third of the

00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:46.940
 road will be built with the 35 job so the cost will come down at some point.

00:43:46.940 --> 00:43:48.760
 And then we just got approval.

00:43:48.760 --> 00:43:52.480
 We had kind of a miscommunication.

00:43:52.480 --> 00:44:02.400
 The City of Crum initially told us to go to 156, and then a new council came in and said

00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:05.600
 they weren't so sure, stop at the railroad track.

00:44:05.600 --> 00:44:09.640
 So we were going to stop at the railroad track and they said hold on, wait a minute, we may

00:44:09.640 --> 00:44:11.560
 want to rethink it.

00:44:11.560 --> 00:44:17.680
 So we just got a letter back from City of Crum saying go ahead and go to 156.

00:44:17.680 --> 00:44:26.000
 All that made us tweak our schematic that we had approved in 2020, which delayed our

00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:27.000
 environment a little bit.

00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:33.720
 It's cleared now, and we are expecting to have right away completed in August, which

00:44:33.720 --> 00:44:38.480
 means then all we're doing is utility relocations, and we're going to focus on, again, the utilities

00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:43.280
 on the east side of the job so we can build it with the 35 project.

00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:48.860
 Can I ask a question on that?

00:44:48.860 --> 00:44:51.280
 Is that going to be like a boulevard?

00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:53.040
 It's arterial, six lane divided.

00:44:53.040 --> 00:44:54.040
 Six lanes.

00:44:54.040 --> 00:44:55.040
 Okay.

00:44:55.040 --> 00:45:00.640
 There may be one where we do four lanes with a wide median, and then come back, but I think

00:45:00.640 --> 00:45:03.840
 it already warrants six.

00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:07.000
 And then the outer loop, I don't know how much detail you want to get into the outer

00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:08.000
 loop.

00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:16.000
 Can we hold off on the outer loop and go back to the loop 288?

00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:17.000
 Did I miss that?

00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:18.000
 I did, didn't I?

00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:21.720
 Well, because we started talking about 380, and you went down there, so we wanted to meet

00:45:21.720 --> 00:45:22.720
 that.

00:45:22.720 --> 00:45:23.720
 Absolutely.

00:45:23.720 --> 00:45:24.720
 Okay, here we go.

00:45:24.720 --> 00:45:25.720
 Okay.

00:45:25.720 --> 00:45:32.160
 So loop 288, when I first started working on this job, I was single and handsome.

00:45:32.160 --> 00:45:36.840
 Now I've got three kids out of college.

00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:41.960
 We had to move it because of multiple reasons, but it's taken us a long time to get where

00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:42.960
 we're at.

00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:49.080
 Short version is the current schematic was approved in 2020.

00:45:49.080 --> 00:45:51.560
 Shortly thereafter, we got it environmentally cleared.

00:45:51.560 --> 00:45:56.040
 You'll see that we're talking about almost three and a half years for acquiring a right

00:45:56.040 --> 00:45:57.040
 of way.

00:45:57.040 --> 00:46:00.240
 Typically, it only takes about 12 months.

00:46:00.240 --> 00:46:05.840
 The reason why it takes that long is because in the utility relocation, you'll see it's

00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:11.760
 a lot longer than normal, usually about nine to 12 months, and it's 18 to 20, is because

00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:16.300
 all those white dots you see are those gas wells.

00:46:16.300 --> 00:46:22.680
 And gas wells, when you deal with a gas well, it's both a utility and a right of way issue,

00:46:22.680 --> 00:46:24.280
 right?

00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:32.280
 So it complicates everything, and we're accommodating as best we can on this.

00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:36.000
 It's $220 million for just frontage roads.

00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:38.600
 This is going to be a freeway as well.

00:46:38.600 --> 00:46:43.360
 So the right of way acquisition is beginning.

00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:49.280
 They started about a year ago, and we are acquiring the right of way.

00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:54.280
 We're acquiring the right of way for almost a 500 foot wide freeway, so it'll be main

00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:58.720
 lanes, frontage roads, grade separations, but we're only going to build the frontage

00:46:58.720 --> 00:47:06.640
 roads first because that's all that's warranted now, and that's $220 million all told.

00:47:06.640 --> 00:47:11.500
 And we are expecting to be, because of the long run on right of way and the long run

00:47:11.500 --> 00:47:18.200
 on utilities, are ready to let's not until April of 2026.

00:47:18.200 --> 00:47:19.200
 I see questions.

00:47:19.200 --> 00:47:20.200
 >> Any questions?

00:47:20.200 --> 00:47:21.200
 Yes.

00:47:21.200 --> 00:47:22.200
 >> Thank you, Chair.

00:47:22.200 --> 00:47:32.000
 My question is on the environmental clearance, and this is just to educate me, do we do CRM

00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:34.680
 work when we do environmental clearance?

00:47:34.680 --> 00:47:35.680
 Is that part of it?

00:47:35.680 --> 00:47:42.320
 I know a lot of core and other state and federal projects have to do mandatory CRM or cultural

00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:44.560
 resource management, archeology.

00:47:44.560 --> 00:47:46.960
 >> Oh, absolutely, tragically.

00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:53.440
 So I mean, we got our projects that'll stop if we hit anything that even once the project's

00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:58.360
 environmentally cleared, if we discover something that had one that we had a dinosaur duck,

00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:02.300
 we had to stop the project to go do that.

00:48:02.300 --> 00:48:09.260
 But if we've got it environmentally cleared, we've done cultural resources, we've got to

00:48:09.260 --> 00:48:13.440
 go through the Texas Historical Commission on, because out here we still have a thing

00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:22.080
 called intact farms, and intact farms are huge in their impact because they're intact

00:48:22.080 --> 00:48:25.160
 and they're typically large, so you can't avoid them.

00:48:25.160 --> 00:48:27.840
 And so the mitigation is significant.

00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:32.520
 So whenever we have an environmental issue, whether it be cultural resources, whether

00:48:32.520 --> 00:48:39.840
 it be flora or fauna, the federal guideline says you have to avoid first, and then if

00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:44.200
 you can't avoid, you have to justify why you can't avoid, and then if you can't avoid,

00:48:44.200 --> 00:48:46.760
 then you have to mitigate.

00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:53.080
 And if we don't do a mitigation plan on all of those impacts, all those criteria, then

00:48:53.080 --> 00:48:54.080
 we don't get cleared.

00:48:54.080 --> 00:49:00.160
 And so a lot of times if we're going through a wetlands area and we're going to disturb,

00:49:00.160 --> 00:49:05.460
 let's say 300 trees, we're required, state's required, whoever's doing the project's required

00:49:05.460 --> 00:49:11.960
 to replace those trees in a seven to one ratio, right?

00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:15.800
 And then you're responsible for maintenance of those trees for a certain period of time.

00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:24.640
 So if we can't avoid, we mitigate, and we do all of those things.

00:49:24.640 --> 00:49:27.320
 Well, I'll tell you, the reason I asked was crossing over Hickory Creek right there.

00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:32.040
 It's my understanding, and maybe I'm misremembering the maps, that there was some archaeological

00:49:32.040 --> 00:49:35.720
 digs and we're punching right through right there.

00:49:35.720 --> 00:49:41.880
 They were, yes, and there were some Native Indian stuff that we were dealing with, yes.

00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:50.560
 So what, I don't know if, if it's already been significantly disturbed before we get

00:49:50.560 --> 00:49:57.000
 there, then the mitigation is less than if it was pristine prairie area that we're going

00:49:57.000 --> 00:49:58.000
 through.

00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:01.840
 And most of this area that we're going through has already been significantly disturbed by

00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:03.160
 previous developments.

00:50:03.160 --> 00:50:04.160
 Okay.

00:50:04.160 --> 00:50:05.160
 Thank you.

00:50:05.160 --> 00:50:06.160
 Any other questions?

00:50:06.160 --> 00:50:07.160
 Go ahead.

00:50:07.160 --> 00:50:15.720
 Madam Chair, can you say more about gas wells being both utility and right-of-way, please?

00:50:15.720 --> 00:50:16.880
 Yes, sir.

00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:25.080
 So they're not technically a utility as far as a franchise utility that the state recognizes,

00:50:25.080 --> 00:50:29.980
 but the state also makes a lot of money off oil and gas, so they've got certain rights.

00:50:29.980 --> 00:50:37.400
 So when we go in to acquire the right-of-way that impacts that gas well, it also impacts

00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:39.880
 their transmission lines, right?

00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:46.120
 And so when we're buying X number of square feet, we also have to go ahead straight into

00:50:46.120 --> 00:50:53.240
 utility relocation costs, negotiations, because in order for us to get that right-of-way and

00:50:53.240 --> 00:50:58.860
 for them to calculate the value of the right-of-way, it's based on the amount of gas or oil that

00:50:58.860 --> 00:51:02.560
 goes through that transmission line, and so they have to do both at the same time.

00:51:02.560 --> 00:51:07.960
 They have to calculate the value based on that particular transmission line, and then

00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:11.000
 they've got to get that transmission line relocated out of the way.

00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:14.800
 So it's a dual track.

00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:19.800
 And one more, if I might, Madam Chair.

00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:23.680
 As a new committee member, help me if I'm off base here.

00:51:23.680 --> 00:51:29.220
 I haven't heard anything about other forms of transportation, like bike lanes or anything

00:51:29.220 --> 00:51:32.040
 like that.

00:51:32.040 --> 00:51:36.760
 Would that have been in these plans, or what?

00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:43.480
 So these are in varying stages that are in very preliminary, so depending on the phase

00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:49.320
 or the stage, TxDOT is working with us, and that's part of our review on every single

00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:51.480
 one of these projects.

00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:59.040
 After November 2021, TxDOT made a modification to start including sidewalks, side paths,

00:51:59.040 --> 00:52:01.240
 those types of things in their projects.

00:52:01.240 --> 00:52:05.920
 So when we get these projects for review at the different phases that they are, 30, 60,

00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:12.720
 90 percent, specifically 60, because that's plans adequate is what we call it, that's

00:52:12.720 --> 00:52:14.840
 when we'll definitely take a deeper dive.

00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:19.660
 But we're reviewing those things and their understanding, and we've submitted to them

00:52:19.660 --> 00:52:26.760
 not only our mobility plan, which includes the TheraFair, the bike, and the pedestrian,

00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:31.280
 different maps and different components, the multimodal components of the mobility plan,

00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:32.800
 we're having those conversations.

00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:39.040
 So they're very aware that we are a multimodal community, and anything we're doing from here

00:52:39.040 --> 00:52:45.040
 on out is our expectation, and part of the collaboration that we're doing is to make

00:52:45.040 --> 00:52:49.160
 sure that we have access for side paths, et cetera.

00:52:49.160 --> 00:52:56.400
 I would tell you that specifically like this project you're looking at, I would anticipate

00:52:56.400 --> 00:53:02.000
 there being more of a side path, because then it could be used for bicycle and ped, versus

00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:07.800
 a dedicated bike lane on a roadway that's going to have probably a high speed, and a

00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:09.040
 five foot sidewalk.

00:53:09.040 --> 00:53:15.080
 So those are all things that we're working through when we receive the designs, but we're

00:53:15.080 --> 00:53:20.280
 very vocal, and John can tell you we're always asking to make sure that they're multimodal

00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:21.600
 in alignment.

00:53:21.600 --> 00:53:26.640
 So to add just a little bit more clarity to that, what you're seeing on this report is

00:53:26.640 --> 00:53:35.040
 your mobility report related to roadway infrastructure that's primarily state driven.

00:53:35.040 --> 00:53:41.720
 You'll see other things come through the committee that are bike and ped specific to y'all's

00:53:41.720 --> 00:53:46.240
 overall plan, so you'll see those as individual items.

00:53:46.240 --> 00:53:51.540
 But on my report, my responsibility is to get these projects delivered in a timely manner

00:53:51.540 --> 00:53:55.400
 without you having to spend much money, and those are the big infrastructure.

00:53:55.400 --> 00:53:57.240
 But Becky is right.

00:53:57.240 --> 00:54:04.080
 The federal government and the state build these roads now for all modes of transportation.

00:54:04.080 --> 00:54:09.920
 So when we did 35 across, 35A across Lake Louisville, you'll notice that we put pedestrian

00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:12.720
 facilities on both sides.

00:54:12.720 --> 00:54:16.240
 It's required, but it's also good policy.

00:54:16.240 --> 00:54:21.920
 So everything you see the state doing has some accommodation, whether it's 10 foot,

00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:25.040
 five foot lanes, six foot lanes, whatever.

00:54:25.040 --> 00:54:28.000
 They match it to the desires of the local community.

00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:36.080
 So like on the 288 job, out to the green belt, City of Denton went and got a grant from COG

00:54:36.080 --> 00:54:41.540
 for a 10 foot shared use path, and TxDOT put it in the job and is building it with the

00:54:41.540 --> 00:54:42.540
 project.

00:54:42.540 --> 00:54:50.720
 So all those types of modalities are included, regulatorily, but also good policy.

00:54:50.720 --> 00:54:53.720
 Thank you very much.

00:54:53.720 --> 00:55:06.440
 Yes, you got it.

00:55:06.440 --> 00:55:08.640
 Outer loop.

00:55:08.640 --> 00:55:16.920
 This is a controlled access facility that encumbers Denton County, Collin County, Rockwell

00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:24.240
 County, Kaufman County, Ellis County, Johnson County, Tarrant County, and back up around

00:55:24.240 --> 00:55:25.840
 to Denton County.

00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:29.480
 So I don't know how many counties that was, seven, I think.

00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:32.760
 And it's the, that's why they call it the outer loop.

00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:38.400
 In our particular area, Collin County is already built because they're just building a road

00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:39.820
 and they're calling it the outer loop.

00:55:39.820 --> 00:55:43.280
 So they're setting the stake in the ground.

00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:50.400
 Recently we opened up, I don't know if you can see it in this map, but we recently opened

00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:57.120
 up the southbound frontage road to the Dallas North Toll Road, D&T, all the way to Tioga.

00:55:57.120 --> 00:55:58.920
 So it's there now.

00:55:58.920 --> 00:56:04.500
 And there is a location on the D&T that says outer loop in Collin County.

00:56:04.500 --> 00:56:08.560
 That location is where we have to roughly start from an environmental clearance standpoint

00:56:08.560 --> 00:56:12.580
 because you have to have logical termini for the feds.

00:56:12.580 --> 00:56:16.440
 So we generally know we're going to start on the east, which is where Collin County

00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:18.760
 leads it off.

00:56:18.760 --> 00:56:25.840
 We have to cross the green belt at 428 based upon what the Corps of Engineers told us.

00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:35.200
 And if we go anywhere off of that, it's literally an act of Congress to get across it because

00:56:35.200 --> 00:56:41.400
 that is a conservatory, conservatorship, and it was, it was done in Congress.

00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:47.380
 So in order to cross anywhere other than existing crossings, you have to go change Congress's

00:56:47.380 --> 00:56:48.380
 law.

00:56:48.380 --> 00:56:49.620
 So we're not going to do that.

00:56:49.620 --> 00:56:50.620
 It's a bridge too far.

00:56:50.620 --> 00:56:57.040
 So we got to cross at 428.

00:56:57.040 --> 00:57:03.240
 So the city of Denton's thoroughfare says that it roughly needs to come in a mile and

00:57:03.240 --> 00:57:04.240
 road.

00:57:04.240 --> 00:57:10.880
 And so in the 35 job that I first showed you early on, in that 35 north project, it includes

00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:18.720
 a box, a great, I mean a box, a great separated box where the outer loop will tie into 35.

00:57:18.720 --> 00:57:22.360
 Now technically that's where the outer loop stops.

00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:32.880
 And then 35 will be a dual designation to 35W, to 287, down to NS, and then 287 to 45.

00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:38.720
 And then 45 up to Kauffman is, will be SH34, which will be the outer loop.

00:57:38.720 --> 00:57:43.280
 And then it comes north through Rockwall, and it comes up through Collin County, you

00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:48.720
 know, over there by Farmersville, kicks across and comes back over to us.

00:57:48.720 --> 00:57:54.320
 So we are doing what's called an environmental impact statement, or EIS.

00:57:54.320 --> 00:58:00.300
 So it's the highest level of environmental clearance that the feds require.

00:58:00.300 --> 00:58:05.920
 And we're spending about $30 million, county is, to do environmental clear of this project.

00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:10.000
 And we're anticipating being done by the summer of 26.

00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:13.840
 Once it's cleared, we can protect the corridor from future development.

00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:15.540
 Until then, we can't.

00:58:15.540 --> 00:58:22.840
 So we're meeting regularly with all the stakeholders, cities, developers, Corps of Engineers, and

00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:29.600
 making sure that if we see any impacts to our proposed three alternatives that we think

00:58:29.600 --> 00:58:34.080
 we're going to carry through the process, that we try to mitigate that before it becomes

00:58:34.080 --> 00:58:37.320
 too big of a problem.

00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:38.320
 I think you had a question?

00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:39.320
 We have a question.

00:58:39.320 --> 00:58:47.280
 Can you just explain one of those last statements you made, protect the corridor from future

00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:48.280
 development?

00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:54.680
 So right now, if you had Jody Doak's developer want to go out on one of our proposed alignments

00:58:54.680 --> 00:59:01.120
 and put 300 homes in a zone for residential, and they get an approved plat and all that

00:59:01.120 --> 00:59:05.720
 stuff, they can go build 300 homes on one of our alignments.

00:59:05.720 --> 00:59:11.400
 And now we either got to move 100 homes, which is an environmental disaster, or we got to

00:59:11.400 --> 00:59:13.840
 go around it.

00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:18.480
 But once it's environmentally cleared, the federal law says the jurisdictions that cleared

00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:22.840
 it can now say you cannot build anything within that 500 feet.

00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:28.080
 So the developer and the cities and the counties all have to honor that alignment, because

00:59:28.080 --> 00:59:31.400
 the feds say that's the alignment for the road.

00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:35.000
 But prior to the environmental clearance, it's up for grabs.

00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:37.480
 Anybody can do whatever they want.

00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:40.520
 And you said that clearance should be done next year?

00:59:40.520 --> 00:59:41.520
 Summer of '26.

00:59:41.520 --> 00:59:44.360
 And you're going, what the heck, that's a long time away.

00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:45.600
 Right.

00:59:45.600 --> 00:59:50.040
 But I could get it done faster if I could violate your property rights, not include

00:59:50.040 --> 00:59:52.920
 you in the process, and not care about the environment.

00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:57.360
 But if I got to do all those three things, we got a lot of check boxes to check, and

00:59:57.360 --> 01:00:00.320
 it takes a long time to do it.

01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:03.800
 We can not care about the environment to do environmental clearance?

01:00:03.800 --> 01:00:04.800
 Right.

01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:05.800
 All right.

01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:06.800
 That's what they used to do.

01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:07.800
 Oh.

01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:08.800
 Okay.

01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:12.800
 That's how Lake Dallas became Lake Louisville, was in the middle of the night.

01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:17.440
 In February of '20 and '44, they just blew up the bridge after they built the other one.

01:00:17.440 --> 01:00:19.720
 People woke up next morning and they had lakefront property.

01:00:19.720 --> 01:00:20.720
 Interesting.

01:00:20.720 --> 01:00:22.520
 Those were good old days.

01:00:22.520 --> 01:00:31.140
 Do you have a question, or do you look like you have a burning question?

01:00:31.140 --> 01:00:38.400
 I have a longstanding, he won't be able to solve it quandary, and that is just exactly

01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:45.040
 what we're talking about, that the development pressures along the Sherman 428 corridor are

01:00:45.040 --> 01:00:50.400
 really intense right now, not just with your projects on 428 and the outer loop, but everything

01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:51.400
 else.

01:00:51.400 --> 01:00:52.400
 Right.

01:00:52.400 --> 01:01:01.760
 And those alignments are contentious and cantankerous sometimes.

01:01:01.760 --> 01:01:08.840
 My problem is, we know it's coming through because Ray Roberts exists and Louisville

01:01:08.840 --> 01:01:09.840
 exists.

01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:10.840
 Right.

01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:19.200
 So I know the precise alignment isn't there, but the problem I have for all elements, not

01:01:19.200 --> 01:01:24.920
 just your office, the city offices, the state offices, whatever, planning and development

01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:33.040
 or development services, I should say, is there still ongoing developmental pressure

01:01:33.040 --> 01:01:42.280
 to go through that is tying your hands and then forcing impacts up and down the drainage

01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:53.400
 from Clear Creek over to 35, I guess where I'm meandering to the comment of it feels

01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:59.640
 like there should be a way of tapping the brakes so that the pieces can gel nicely,

01:01:59.640 --> 01:02:06.160
 as opposed to I'm going to get my 1300 homes in as fast as possible so that then I force

01:02:06.160 --> 01:02:07.800
 the brakes to go around me.

01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:15.280
 So the problem with that is that especially in the state of Texas, this particular state

01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:20.240
 has a strong property rights mantra.

01:02:20.240 --> 01:02:26.200
 And so not only is it difficult, but back in the day when we tried to do the trans Texas

01:02:26.200 --> 01:02:30.560
 corridors, right, where we're going to do the big mondo roads without any access because

01:02:30.560 --> 01:02:37.240
 we just needed to move goods and services, the legislature said hell no.

01:02:37.240 --> 01:02:43.800
 And they gave Texas residents what's called the Texas property bill of rights.

01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:49.000
 So not only do they not have to listen to you, but they got the legislature and the

01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:50.600
 governor's backing to do it.

01:02:50.600 --> 01:02:58.480
 So the feds don't allow you to use a right of way as a determining factor for the environmental

01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:01.600
 clearance, which you wouldn't want them to do that because then you could just go out

01:03:01.600 --> 01:03:07.400
 and buy a piece of property and say that's the road, right, and then if it's environmentally

01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:12.960
 insensitive, you've already bought the road so who cares.

01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:20.680
 So it's an imperfect process, but it allows everybody to have their rights relatively

01:03:20.680 --> 01:03:22.360
 protected.

01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:28.080
 And as long as you have people that are willing to lean into the shovel sooner than later,

01:03:28.080 --> 01:03:30.200
 we always get where we need to go.

01:03:30.200 --> 01:03:32.600
 Well, I appreciate that.

01:03:32.600 --> 01:03:39.000
 I mean, it was more of a frustrated comment than a question because it feels like we should

01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:43.600
 be doing this smarter and not dropping neighborhoods where we know highways are going to go.

01:03:43.600 --> 01:03:46.440
 We should have been doing it 10 years ago, but you couldn't get anybody.

01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:52.040
 Look, COVID woke a lot of people up because pre-COVID, you had the rack stack and pack

01:03:52.040 --> 01:03:57.360
 mentality to put everybody in Dallas and Fort Worth, down in Dallas County, and the way

01:03:57.360 --> 01:04:01.200
 you keep that from spreading out is choking the perimeter counties.

01:04:01.200 --> 01:04:02.800
 That's what the NPOs were doing.

01:04:02.800 --> 01:04:06.880
 They were choking the perimeters, pushing you to the middle.

01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:13.600
 COVID reversed that trend and everybody dispersed, and now we are literally behind the curve

01:04:13.600 --> 01:04:16.720
 on all this infrastructure because people are moving to these counties.

01:04:16.720 --> 01:04:24.400
 Denton County just surpassed one million a couple months ago, and so we're behind.

01:04:24.400 --> 01:04:29.360
 And we could do what Collin County did and go out and buy the land to where we think

01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:34.880
 the road can go, and then environmentally clear it, and we may or may not hit the mark,

01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:35.880
 right?

01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:39.920
 But that would take all these people's rights out of the conversation because we already

01:04:39.920 --> 01:04:42.880
 own the land, which is kind of what Collin County does.

01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:44.880
 But they're going to have to build that road on their own.

01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:48.760
 This is a billion and a half, maybe $2 billion road.

01:04:48.760 --> 01:04:52.200
 County shouldn't have to build that because it's a regional outer loop.

01:04:52.200 --> 01:04:58.120
 So we're going to clear it so we can protect it from those development pressures, and we

01:04:58.120 --> 01:05:04.260
 have entities in the corridor that are assisting the county in protecting the corridor that

01:05:04.260 --> 01:05:12.820
 have money that if they see an area that potentially can develop that won't listen, they do listen

01:05:12.820 --> 01:05:13.820
 to money.

01:05:13.820 --> 01:05:18.480
 And so we can do a land banking.

01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:22.880
 I appreciate that clarity.

01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:29.280
 To Mayor Pro Tem's point, there might not be an answer to this question, but what prevents

01:05:29.280 --> 01:05:34.720
 since our friends in the development community also know the timeline for this loop, what

01:05:34.720 --> 01:05:40.640
 prevents them from trying to hurry up and get shovels in the ground and forcing this

01:05:40.640 --> 01:05:45.800
 project to change and cost the regional partners more money?

01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:51.280
 So when we get -- we stay very close to all of our stakeholders along the corridor the

01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:52.280
 county does.

01:05:52.280 --> 01:05:55.840
 And so the county is just paying the 30 million bucks.

01:05:55.840 --> 01:05:59.160
 Our client for the county level is tech stock.

01:05:59.160 --> 01:06:00.440
 We are doing this for the state.

01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:03.280
 They just don't have the money or the time, so we're doing it.

01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:11.080
 Our stakeholders are all the communities along that corridor, right, be they municipal or

01:06:11.080 --> 01:06:16.520
 granularly residential, we have MAPOs, or meeting with effective property owners, because

01:06:16.520 --> 01:06:21.920
 the county is doing it, we'll meet with Jody Doak's farm if they want to talk about it.

01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:24.460
 So we will get in there and go in and talk to them.

01:06:24.460 --> 01:06:30.640
 So the way we protect the corridor is we communicate to the developers that are moving what our

01:06:30.640 --> 01:06:37.840
 timeline is, what our intents are, and that if they are looking to make -- generate revenue

01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:43.920
 and they're not just a residential developer, right, the value of that corridor is going

01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:49.920
 to be significantly higher as a freeway than it will be as a residential community.

01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:53.840
 So a lot of the times we try to -- we educate them on the value, because you look at the

01:06:53.840 --> 01:07:01.800
 $5 billion, $8 billion mile in Frisco, right, on the toll road, when I first started this

01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:06.240
 business in June of '96, I met with George Porfoy, he was the city manager, and Frisco

01:07:06.240 --> 01:07:11.480
 was at 5,500 people, right, now they've got billions of dollars of assets because they

01:07:11.480 --> 01:07:12.480
 got the infrastructure.

01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:14.240
 That's the same thing that's going to happen on the island.

01:07:14.240 --> 01:07:15.240
 >> Okay.

01:07:15.240 --> 01:07:17.120
 So it is to their advantage to wait.

01:07:17.120 --> 01:07:21.080
 >> It's to their advantage to wait, and we're not talking about waiting too long, because

01:07:21.080 --> 01:07:26.440
 once we're cleared in summer of '26, if they have land that we need and they need revenue,

01:07:26.440 --> 01:07:28.480
 we can buy the land at that point.

01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:29.480
 >> Okay.

01:07:29.480 --> 01:07:30.480
 >> Legally.

01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:31.480
 >> Thank you for that.

01:07:31.480 --> 01:07:32.480
 I appreciate that explanation.

01:07:32.480 --> 01:07:34.440
 It makes sense.

01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:37.080
 So we've had multiple stakeholders' meetings.

01:07:37.080 --> 01:07:43.280
 Anything you want to find out about the Outer Loop, again, there's a hot link there.

01:07:43.280 --> 01:07:52.060
 And we are looking right now to set up a meeting with the City of Denton, TxDOT, and the county

01:07:52.060 --> 01:07:54.080
 to talk about the tie-in of Milam Road.

01:07:54.080 --> 01:07:58.680
 There's some issues that are coming up there that we need to make sure that we are all

01:07:58.680 --> 01:08:05.120
 swinging on the same side of the plate, but we are constantly communicating to our stakeholders

01:08:05.120 --> 01:08:10.640
 on that project.

01:08:10.640 --> 01:08:13.560
 And here's where I stop talking.

01:08:13.560 --> 01:08:16.600
 >> All righty.

01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:17.600
 Thank you, John.

01:08:17.600 --> 01:08:18.600
 >> Thank you.

01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:26.500
 >> So Elman Locust currently, as you can tell from the report, they plan on having plans

01:08:26.500 --> 01:08:28.320
 completed by the end of the year.

01:08:28.320 --> 01:08:33.340
 So this is the portion south of the courthouse where all of the water and wastewater infrastructure

01:08:33.340 --> 01:08:36.520
 and drainage infrastructure has already been completed.

01:08:36.520 --> 01:08:41.720
 And so their anticipation is to have those plans completed by the end of the year.

01:08:41.720 --> 01:08:47.880
 And they're planning to start a reconstruction of that roadway in the summer of 2024.

01:08:47.880 --> 01:08:54.800
 So that will be Elm and Locust from Hickory South, and it will also include Eagle.

01:08:54.800 --> 01:09:03.000
 On the portions that are north of the courthouse, you'll be seeing a upcoming ICA with the county

01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:08.960
 to receive the additional funding come through council here in the next month or so.

01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:12.240
 And that'll be at one of your upcoming council meetings.

01:09:12.240 --> 01:09:16.760
 Trevor has that project moving forward through design.

01:09:16.760 --> 01:09:21.880
 And we will be anticipating to start, of course, it has quite a bit of right-of-way acquisition

01:09:21.880 --> 01:09:23.680
 that needs to be completed.

01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:28.120
 And then we are looking and anticipating to start construction around the summer of 2024,

01:09:28.120 --> 01:09:30.040
 fall of 2024 also.

01:09:30.040 --> 01:09:34.260
 So lots of coordination going on with this entire corridor.

01:09:34.260 --> 01:09:38.640
 The county's been very helpful with helping us with additional funding that was needed

01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:42.160
 for Elm and Locust north of the courthouse.

01:09:42.160 --> 01:09:48.480
 The overall roadway network, not including Eagle, but Elm and Locust from Eagle to US

01:09:48.480 --> 01:09:49.480
 380.

01:09:49.480 --> 01:09:54.160
 I currently have a draft resolution that we're reviewing that Text-On has sent our way.

01:09:54.160 --> 01:09:57.000
 And it's going through the process at Austin.

01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:02.420
 And then it'll eventually go to the Transportation Commission once all of those things happen.

01:10:02.420 --> 01:10:07.040
 So there's a three-step process, one, to get the resolution adopted by council.

01:10:07.040 --> 01:10:10.640
 So you'll see that come through once we're all finalized with that.

01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:15.200
 They have to map it, is what it's called, which basically means it's currently an on-system

01:10:15.200 --> 01:10:16.200
 roadway.

01:10:16.200 --> 01:10:18.220
 They will be taking it and turning it over to the city.

01:10:18.220 --> 01:10:20.560
 So that's through a mapping process.

01:10:20.560 --> 01:10:24.280
 And then also getting Austin's approval to submit it to the commission.

01:10:24.280 --> 01:10:25.880
 And then the commission will approve.

01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:28.320
 So we're in those steps, walking through with that.

01:10:28.320 --> 01:10:34.240
 We met with Text-On last week on it and looking forward to getting this all completed.

01:10:34.240 --> 01:10:39.880
 And the reason you want to take it off system after they fix it is because there's things

01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:45.240
 you want to do down in Locust that the state won't let you do as a state facility.

01:10:45.240 --> 01:10:51.360
 So it gives you flexibility once you take possession of it.

01:10:51.360 --> 01:10:54.320
 One other little thing is you'll see the interlocal come through from the county.

01:10:54.320 --> 01:11:02.880
 The county only provides the funding for whatever the foreseeable expenditures are.

01:11:02.880 --> 01:11:07.000
 That way they limit how much they have to issue each time they issue.

01:11:07.000 --> 01:11:13.520
 So if you get an interlocal that says the county's in for a penny, but we only give

01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:16.560
 you -- or any for a pound, but only give you a penny, we're only paying for that first

01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:17.560
 iteration.

01:11:17.560 --> 01:11:22.720
 But the interlocal will be amendable so that all you have to do next time is just amend

01:11:22.720 --> 01:11:27.240
 the dollar amount as opposed to the total description of the project.

01:11:27.240 --> 01:11:29.280
 I get that question sometimes.

01:11:29.280 --> 01:11:30.280
 >> Thank you, John.

01:11:30.280 --> 01:11:34.320
 >> I have a really basic question.

01:11:34.320 --> 01:11:36.120
 >> Sure.

01:11:36.120 --> 01:11:45.840
 When this project is moving north and it's going through downtown, through the courthouse,

01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:55.640
 I'm sorry, is it going to tear up all the roads just right around the courthouse at

01:11:55.640 --> 01:12:03.720
 the same time or are we taking one side and working on the other side or is there not

01:12:03.720 --> 01:12:04.720
 going to be anything?

01:12:04.720 --> 01:12:09.440
 >> I'm going to take the privilege of letting Beck answer that.

01:12:09.440 --> 01:12:10.440
 >> Thanks, John.

01:12:10.440 --> 01:12:14.160
 So all of those things will happen through construction phasing.

01:12:14.160 --> 01:12:19.040
 Trevor and his team will work through as they're working on the design, getting it from 90

01:12:19.040 --> 01:12:25.240
 to 100%, putting that in the specifications, talking about if there is specific construction

01:12:25.240 --> 01:12:31.080
 phasing, then we will also receive a schedule from the contractor as to the way that they

01:12:31.080 --> 01:12:34.120
 feel like they can do the project most expeditiously.

01:12:34.120 --> 01:12:38.960
 But if there's anything particular that has to be done, for example, sometimes this waterline

01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:42.960
 has to be done before this waterline can be done, those are the types of things we list

01:12:42.960 --> 01:12:46.560
 in a set of specifications that go along with the plans.

01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:51.880
 For the courthouse and around the courthouse specifically, we're meeting internally as

01:12:51.880 --> 01:12:56.640
 we go through those design considerations with our water and wastewater departments,

01:12:56.640 --> 01:13:01.600
 looking at alternate ways to take some of those facilities off, and I'm saying the direct

01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:06.880
 corridor, so every single roadway that's on the perimeter of the courthouse, how can we

01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:12.680
 service the facilities and then the courthouse itself with taking some of that infrastructure

01:13:12.680 --> 01:13:18.400
 off and so to the roadways to the east and west of it, be Austin or Cedar.

01:13:18.400 --> 01:13:22.000
 And so we're currently having those conversations as a part of design.

01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:26.040
 The phasing of the project specifically will be something that we work through as we work

01:13:26.040 --> 01:13:27.040
 to complete that.

01:13:27.040 --> 01:13:29.880
 So we don't have that level of detailed information yet.

01:13:29.880 --> 01:13:35.480
 We're working through right-of-way acquisition, getting this ICA completed to get the funding

01:13:35.480 --> 01:13:40.120
 from the county that we need, and then working through those steps, but that'll be information

01:13:40.120 --> 01:13:45.800
 that Trevor definitely can bring back as we work through the final design.

01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:49.640
 And it'll be next year before we're really ready to have some of those conversations

01:13:49.640 --> 01:13:54.360
 being that we're not gonna go to construction anticipated till late summer or early fall

01:13:54.360 --> 01:13:57.680
 as our anticipation ending all right-of-way acquisition.

01:13:57.680 --> 01:14:06.080
 And the right-of-way acquisition you're talking about is north from the courthouse on both

01:14:06.080 --> 01:14:07.200
 Locust and Elm?

01:14:07.200 --> 01:14:08.200
 Yes, sir.

01:14:08.200 --> 01:14:14.160
 There will be right-of-way acquisition north of the courthouse on Elm and Locust and some

01:14:14.160 --> 01:14:19.960
 of the properties in between those two that may be front Elm and Locust, so some of those

01:14:19.960 --> 01:14:21.600
 properties in between.

01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:24.520
 There's massive drainage improvements that need to be done in that area.

01:14:24.520 --> 01:14:27.000
 Which bridges both, for example?

01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:33.360
 A little bit south of DISD, there's some drainage improvements that need to be completed more

01:14:33.360 --> 01:14:41.420
 north of the greenhouse area, can't remember the exact roadway cross-section, but Congress

01:14:41.420 --> 01:14:43.980
 and north of that area.

01:14:43.980 --> 01:14:47.720
 So those will be conversations that we have to have as we work to complete that drainage

01:14:47.720 --> 01:14:53.760
 design for all of the box structures that need to be reconstructed in that area.

01:14:53.760 --> 01:15:01.780
 This is an educational question, if we take it up, if it was taken off the books, does

01:15:01.780 --> 01:15:06.000
 it lose its 377 designation or it just keeps it up?

01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:07.000
 Yes.

01:15:07.000 --> 01:15:12.760
 So 377 will be rerouted and there'll be dual designations.

01:15:12.760 --> 01:15:17.720
 I think they're going to do 35 and up and around, and we also have, there was one other

01:15:17.720 --> 01:15:18.720
 one that...

01:15:18.720 --> 01:15:19.720
 It's 77.

01:15:19.720 --> 01:15:20.720
 77.

01:15:20.720 --> 01:15:28.160
 So I was going to, because I know maybe Councilmember McGee, you don't necessarily, maybe have not

01:15:28.160 --> 01:15:32.240
 heard all these things before, I want to make sure that I shared this information.

01:15:32.240 --> 01:15:37.520
 So Dallas Drive is 77, and I know you've seen this in some of our presentations.

01:15:37.520 --> 01:15:45.200
 And then Eagle Drive is turned into 77, 377 before you go south on Carroll.

01:15:45.200 --> 01:15:51.920
 Next thought's goal with us taking on the roadway network from Eagle to 380 and making

01:15:51.920 --> 01:15:56.800
 that become a city roadway, and I'll explain that in a minute why we're pushing for that,

01:15:56.800 --> 01:16:01.800
 but it's to keep Dallas Drive, Eagle, and 77, all what they call on system, which means

01:16:01.800 --> 01:16:06.820
 that's a roadway network that they'll continue to have the number designation and then the

01:16:06.820 --> 01:16:10.120
 responsibility of the maintenance and operation.

01:16:10.120 --> 01:16:15.680
 And then the Elm and Locust from 380 to Eagle is very important to the city because the

01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:20.160
 majority of our infrastructure, water and wastewater infrastructure, and then of course

01:16:20.160 --> 01:16:25.120
 the drainage conveyance is actually located underneath the roadway, which is very different

01:16:25.120 --> 01:16:30.560
 from the projects we've been talking about earlier today, such as 35, where we actually

01:16:30.560 --> 01:16:34.120
 acquire an easement to put our facilities in specifically.

01:16:34.120 --> 01:16:38.480
 So anytime that we stay within a right of way that is textile, we have to have specific

01:16:38.480 --> 01:16:44.500
 permission ultimately because it's their roadway, they own it, and we're putting our facilities

01:16:44.500 --> 01:16:45.500
 underneath it.

01:16:45.500 --> 01:16:46.500
 This has a long history.

01:16:46.500 --> 01:16:51.520
 None of us really understand the reasons why it was done this way and don't have all of

01:16:51.520 --> 01:16:52.520
 that information.

01:16:52.520 --> 01:16:57.120
 It's just very important as we work through this, but one of the things I will tell you

01:16:57.120 --> 01:17:01.080
 with the resolution is we will not be decreasing capacity.

01:17:01.080 --> 01:17:07.320
 Part of the opportunity for us to take this roadway over is that we cannot decrease capacity,

01:17:07.320 --> 01:17:09.180
 which means the number of lanes.

01:17:09.180 --> 01:17:14.040
 We may look at additional ways to stripe this corridor to be able to provide for bicycle

01:17:14.040 --> 01:17:20.300
 lanes, but the number of lanes will not decrease throughout the corridor.

01:17:20.300 --> 01:17:21.920
 And I can give you a little bit of history.

01:17:21.920 --> 01:17:26.960
 What happened back in the day, and we're talking in the '20s, when the state started really

01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:32.480
 getting into a state system of farm to market roads and all that stuff, that they typically

01:17:32.480 --> 01:17:38.240
 absorbed local streets that were already roadways that were already there, and then converted

01:17:38.240 --> 01:17:39.240
 them to state facilities.

01:17:39.240 --> 01:17:43.440
 And that was the case for the roads that ran in and around the courthouse.

01:17:43.440 --> 01:17:49.680
 They were county roads that were absorbed into the state system, and part of that absorption

01:17:49.680 --> 01:17:55.400
 gave them grandfathering of certain issues like utilities under the pavement.

01:17:55.400 --> 01:18:00.800
 And now text that's going, every time we get our surface done, you have to come in and

01:18:00.800 --> 01:18:04.640
 fix a utility and ruin our surface, so we just want you to take the road.

01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:09.480
 And the city goes, we'll take it, but it's a sub-structure needs to be fixed, and that's

01:18:09.480 --> 01:18:11.000
 what we've been working on.

01:18:11.000 --> 01:18:12.000
 Right.

01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:17.160
 So part of us taking it over and them reconstructing the south portion was very detailed and months

01:18:17.160 --> 01:18:21.880
 of conversation to make sure they're reconstructing the roadway network to something that we can

01:18:21.880 --> 01:18:25.800
 be comfortable with that actually meets our specifications and criteria.

01:18:25.800 --> 01:18:26.800
 We didn't want to take something--

01:18:26.800 --> 01:18:30.840
 It literally will take longer for us to get that agreement than it will to build a road

01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:32.520
 once it starts.

01:18:32.520 --> 01:18:35.080
 Thanks John.

01:18:35.080 --> 01:18:39.920
 So and John, real quick, before you finish up, I just wanted to share the reason why

01:18:39.920 --> 01:18:45.920
 we have John come and make this presentation is kind of for multiple reasons, and I want

01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:47.680
 to explain kind of the interactions.

01:18:47.680 --> 01:18:52.320
 So this on-system report that you're seeing today is something that he produces for a

01:18:52.320 --> 01:18:59.160
 meeting that Trevor, myself, John, folks from TxDOT, local area office, and also the Dallas

01:18:59.160 --> 01:19:03.200
 district, there's multiple parties that are involved in those conversations and other

01:19:03.200 --> 01:19:07.840
 departments throughout the city of Denton, Denton Municipal Electric, et cetera.

01:19:07.840 --> 01:19:12.040
 It's very important that he's sharing this level of information so you can understand

01:19:12.040 --> 01:19:14.520
 the roadway improvements that are being made.

01:19:14.520 --> 01:19:20.160
 But these are all, for the most part, well they are all our TxDOT roadways, but for the

01:19:20.160 --> 01:19:24.920
 most part, they're roadways that are going to impact our community.

01:19:24.920 --> 01:19:30.440
 So from the city perspective, it's very important that we share this information because one,

01:19:30.440 --> 01:19:34.120
 we're always looking at utilities we have to relocate because anytime they come through

01:19:34.120 --> 01:19:39.400
 and widen a roadway, we're having to move to a new location for the most part.

01:19:39.400 --> 01:19:45.000
 Number two, we have a lot of these green-filled areas or areas of which are not developed

01:19:45.000 --> 01:19:50.120
 or we have constant development communities that are coming in, to your point, on Outer

01:19:50.120 --> 01:19:53.920
 Loop or 428, area plans, et cetera.

01:19:53.920 --> 01:19:59.360
 So from a development perspective, we actually have maps that we share with the design firms

01:19:59.360 --> 01:20:03.000
 that are doing these different projects to be able to show them, hey, we've had this

01:20:03.000 --> 01:20:07.960
 development come in, they're showing us something in this area, beware, get on the phone with

01:20:07.960 --> 01:20:08.960
 them.

01:20:08.960 --> 01:20:13.360
 We're not making contact with them, but we're bridging that gap to say, TxDOT or the county

01:20:13.360 --> 01:20:17.840
 has a project, hey, you're coming into the city, there's a roadway that's going to be

01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:18.840
 in that area.

01:20:18.840 --> 01:20:23.400
 So we're bridging that gap and building that relationship between those folks so that they

01:20:23.400 --> 01:20:24.720
 can understand.

01:20:24.720 --> 01:20:28.720
 And then ultimately, all of these roadways are the major corridors that our residents

01:20:28.720 --> 01:20:33.040
 use to get from point A to point B. So we want to make sure that we can educate and

01:20:33.040 --> 01:20:35.960
 be fully educated on exactly what's happening with them.

01:20:35.960 --> 01:20:39.320
 So there's a lot of things that happen.

01:20:39.320 --> 01:20:42.520
 We're not responsible for constructing any of these roadways.

01:20:42.520 --> 01:20:48.080
 We're simply responsible for the utility improvements or relocations that need to be made.

01:20:48.080 --> 01:20:52.860
 And we're responsible for the communication with the development, and then keeping a close

01:20:52.860 --> 01:20:57.520
 eye on making sure that they're meeting our mobility plan and the desires of the comprehensive

01:20:57.520 --> 01:21:01.720
 plan, parks, trails, master plan, those documents that are for the city.

01:21:01.720 --> 01:21:03.520
 So I wanted to kind of bridge that gap.

01:21:03.520 --> 01:21:04.520
 That's very similar.

01:21:04.520 --> 01:21:09.240
 Dune County is not responsible for any of these roads that are on these reports that

01:21:09.240 --> 01:21:13.800
 you see, but almost all of them are being funded by the county through the advanced

01:21:13.800 --> 01:21:15.080
 planning process.

01:21:15.080 --> 01:21:18.680
 And we're carrying the water from a county standpoint because we want to control our

01:21:18.680 --> 01:21:19.680
 own destiny.

01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:24.560
 And by controlling your own destiny, you get access to funds sooner than other.

01:21:24.560 --> 01:21:30.440
 So if you're in other counties, most counties aren't involved in state roads or foreign

01:21:30.440 --> 01:21:31.440
 to markets.

01:21:31.440 --> 01:21:34.280
 They just do the county roads and they move on.

01:21:34.280 --> 01:21:40.320
 But Dune County knows that the infrastructure the state has is the backbone that moves stuff

01:21:40.320 --> 01:21:41.320
 around.

01:21:41.320 --> 01:21:45.240
 And so in the early 90s, the county decided they were going to get into the game and they've

01:21:45.240 --> 01:21:47.200
 stayed in it from day one.

01:21:47.200 --> 01:21:51.720
 And then their stakeholder partners are always the cities.

01:21:51.720 --> 01:21:57.360
 In varying levels, I will mention that, you know, John can tell you that I was, I came

01:21:57.360 --> 01:21:59.600
 to him and said, I need your help.

01:21:59.600 --> 01:22:00.760
 I need the county's help.

01:22:00.760 --> 01:22:06.120
 I need text dot's help, loop 288 from 380 to 35 on the northern portion they just had

01:22:06.120 --> 01:22:07.760
 the public hearing on.

01:22:07.760 --> 01:22:12.080
 At the time, we had eight developers that wanted to come in and develop and connect

01:22:12.080 --> 01:22:13.080
 to that roadway.

01:22:13.080 --> 01:22:15.080
 And it's a controlled access freeway.

01:22:15.080 --> 01:22:19.520
 So we could not have a direct connect because obviously somebody going 60 miles per hour

01:22:19.520 --> 01:22:23.200
 can't slow down fast enough to make a right hand turn without getting rear ended.

01:22:23.200 --> 01:22:24.760
 It's a complete safety issue.

01:22:24.760 --> 01:22:27.660
 And we don't allow direct connects to controlled access freeways.

01:22:27.660 --> 01:22:30.760
 And the corridor had been preserved for 40 plus years.

01:22:30.760 --> 01:22:34.600
 And so I went to John and I said, John, I need your assistance because what we're having

01:22:34.600 --> 01:22:40.520
 to tell developers right now is the only way that we can make this happen is to have them

01:22:40.520 --> 01:22:45.280
 build the frontage roads in order for them to have a frontage road connection to their

01:22:45.280 --> 01:22:50.360
 driveway or whatever their purposes for their building, housing, whatever that then would

01:22:50.360 --> 01:22:52.140
 connect to the loop.

01:22:52.140 --> 01:22:56.720
 And so that's the reason why John and the county understood this was an improvement

01:22:56.720 --> 01:22:57.720
 that needed to be made.

01:22:57.720 --> 01:23:02.240
 They worked with the state and are starting to evaluate through the schematic phase and

01:23:02.240 --> 01:23:07.080
 environmental clearance to build the frontage roads for that loop so that it also entices

01:23:07.080 --> 01:23:11.000
 and assists with the development community being able to have something they could connect

01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:14.640
 to which is a frontage road versus the controlled access freeway.

01:23:14.640 --> 01:23:19.520
 So those are the types of things that are happening in various stages with all the different

01:23:19.520 --> 01:23:21.720
 projects that are on this report.

01:23:21.720 --> 01:23:27.440
 Thank you, Madam Chair, this is just a general knowledge question.

01:23:27.440 --> 01:23:35.720
 So at the beginning of the presentation, I heard you say that the major roads if we have

01:23:35.720 --> 01:23:40.320
 to move utilities is 100% reimbursable, correct?

01:23:40.320 --> 01:23:45.560
 And it's the, like the Texas roads, US highway, US?

01:23:45.560 --> 01:23:50.560
 On interstate highways, the federal government pays 100% reimbursement whether you're in

01:23:50.560 --> 01:23:54.600
 a utility or not, the federal government does.

01:23:54.600 --> 01:24:00.440
 But if you're anything below that, US highway, state highway, foreign to markets, the state

01:24:00.440 --> 01:24:06.320
 will reimburse you and relocate you and compensate you for that relocation if you're in your

01:24:06.320 --> 01:24:11.640
 own easements, which means you have property rights and the state has to move you just

01:24:11.640 --> 01:24:15.260
 like they would a residential house, they'll compensate you for it.

01:24:15.260 --> 01:24:21.240
 But if you're in their right away, right, in their accommodation zone, then they won't

01:24:21.240 --> 01:24:26.120
 pay you to move because they're saying we need to evict you from our property and use

01:24:26.120 --> 01:24:27.120
 it ourselves.

01:24:27.120 --> 01:24:31.640
 And it's at your cost to move out of our apartment.

01:24:31.640 --> 01:24:37.800
 So for example, along 35 will be 100% reimbursed for that, correct?

01:24:37.800 --> 01:24:38.800
 Correct.

01:24:38.800 --> 01:24:43.480
 The only time that we would pay for something, Council Member McGee, is if we decided instead

01:24:43.480 --> 01:24:48.560
 of a 16-inch water line, we wanted it to be a 20-inch water line, which is considered

01:24:48.560 --> 01:24:52.720
 a betterment, the city would be responsible for the difference in the size of the line.

01:24:52.720 --> 01:24:53.720
 Okay.

01:24:53.720 --> 01:24:54.720
 Betterment is not included.

01:24:54.720 --> 01:24:55.720
 That's it.

01:24:55.720 --> 01:24:56.720
 All right.

01:24:56.720 --> 01:24:57.720
 Black for light.

01:24:57.720 --> 01:25:01.920
 I guess I'm gonna assume you probably don't know if we're going to be doing that, but

01:25:01.920 --> 01:25:05.160
 that's probably Stephen, but...

01:25:05.160 --> 01:25:09.940
 Actually we're delivering those projects for Stephen and Trevor, that's his responsibility,

01:25:09.940 --> 01:25:11.520
 so he can give you that information.

01:25:11.520 --> 01:25:15.240
 Okay, and you can just give me a short answer, I'm just curious if we are going to be increasing

01:25:15.240 --> 01:25:16.240
 capacity along...

01:25:16.240 --> 01:25:20.920
 Yeah, we are in some cases, you've seen a couple of those I-35 projects come before

01:25:20.920 --> 01:25:23.440
 y'all that are 100% reimbursable.

01:25:23.440 --> 01:25:27.100
 There are, and I can get you the information, but there are some pieces in some of those

01:25:27.100 --> 01:25:32.480
 properties where we were doing betterments, and so we were covering that cost, and then

01:25:32.480 --> 01:25:34.720
 of course, Texas Eye does the reimbursable part.

01:25:34.720 --> 01:25:39.200
 So we are looking at that, we're working with the stakeholders to determine if there are

01:25:39.200 --> 01:25:42.440
 betterments that need to take place while we're doing that construction, and then making

01:25:42.440 --> 01:25:44.520
 sure that happens during the construction.

01:25:44.520 --> 01:25:45.520
 Okay.

01:25:45.520 --> 01:25:46.520
 Yep.

01:25:46.520 --> 01:25:51.080
 Thank you for knowing exactly where I was going, I appreciate that.

01:25:51.080 --> 01:25:53.560
 She's always doing that to me too.

01:25:53.560 --> 01:26:05.640
 But you know, as I was talking to constituents and feeling the complaints about so much construction

01:26:05.640 --> 01:26:10.120
 going on and it's happening in the southern part of the city, it's always something going

01:26:10.120 --> 01:26:16.480
 on in the southern part, and you know, and it's a good thing to know that the lines are

01:26:16.480 --> 01:26:22.600
 being larger because everything's on the north side, it's coming up, and to be prepared for

01:26:22.600 --> 01:26:23.600
 all of that.

01:26:23.600 --> 01:26:24.600
 They're going to get what they ask for.

01:26:24.600 --> 01:26:25.600
 Yeah.

01:26:25.600 --> 01:26:26.600
 They're definitely going to do that.

01:26:26.600 --> 01:26:27.600
 We're going to tear everything up up there too.

01:26:27.600 --> 01:26:29.600
 Yeah, so that's good.

01:26:29.600 --> 01:26:30.600
 Is there anything else?

01:26:30.600 --> 01:26:36.840
 I was just going to real quick, this is a glossary of terms, transportation has its own language,

01:26:36.840 --> 01:26:39.600
 so we use a lot of acronyms.

01:26:39.600 --> 01:26:45.680
 We put those acronyms in this glossary, and we're always adding to it, so if I say something

01:26:45.680 --> 01:26:51.800
 you don't understand, ask me about it, and it'll eventually make it to the glossary.

01:26:51.800 --> 01:26:55.440
 And then you heard me talking about categories of funding.

01:26:55.440 --> 01:27:01.960
 The state of Texas, when they get the federal government money, it comes in and they put

01:27:01.960 --> 01:27:03.160
 it in these categories.

01:27:03.160 --> 01:27:08.520
 The primary categories that you're going to hear us talk about on my stuff is your category

01:27:08.520 --> 01:27:18.720
 two, metro urban area projects, and what you're going to hear that called is federal dollars,

01:27:18.720 --> 01:27:23.520
 Cat 2 federal dollars locally controlled, so your metropolitan planning organization

01:27:23.520 --> 01:27:28.400
 controls the selection of projects for category two.

01:27:28.400 --> 01:27:32.440
 When the county contributes money to a project, city contributes money to a project, it goes

01:27:32.440 --> 01:27:38.680
 into category three, which is basically, they should just say that local funds, right?

01:27:38.680 --> 01:27:44.280
 Category four, statewide connectivity, category four means that 35 is eligible for category

01:27:44.280 --> 01:27:50.520
 four, 380 is eligible for category four, but Luke 288 is not, because it doesn't leave

01:27:50.520 --> 01:27:58.180
 the region, 635 wouldn't be eligible, because it doesn't leave the region, but 30, 20, 287,

01:27:58.180 --> 01:28:05.360
 any of these roads that leave the region heading to another region, that's your statewide connectivity

01:28:05.360 --> 01:28:07.120
 and is eligible.

01:28:07.120 --> 01:28:12.240
 And then because we're in non-attainment, we also get a category five, which is called

01:28:12.240 --> 01:28:20.040
 congestion mitigation air quality funds, and you can do bicycle lanes, pedestrian facilities,

01:28:20.040 --> 01:28:23.760
 safety improvements, intersection improvements, signalization, the only thing you can't use

01:28:23.760 --> 01:28:26.920
 category five for is to add capacity to the road, right?

01:28:26.920 --> 01:28:33.480
 So you can't add a lane, you can, there are time to signals, you can put a sidewalk, something

01:28:33.480 --> 01:28:38.160
 like that, but it has to be that type, not capacity.

01:28:38.160 --> 01:28:43.600
 And then you go to category seven, this is sometimes, this is an old designation, but

01:28:43.600 --> 01:28:49.680
 they still keep it in the state's name as Metro Mobility, but it used to be called surface

01:28:49.680 --> 01:28:54.800
 transportation Metro Mobility, and there was a metro, an urban, and a rural mobility.

01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:59.400
 The feds got away with all of that and just said surface transportation block grants.

01:28:59.400 --> 01:29:04.640
 So category seven, sometimes you'll hear it called STBG, because that's the federal designation,

01:29:04.640 --> 01:29:10.360
 but those are dollars that are also selected by your MPO, category two, five, and seven

01:29:10.360 --> 01:29:14.080
 are selected by COG down in Arlington.

01:29:14.080 --> 01:29:20.360
 And then category 11 is your district engineer's discretionary account.

01:29:20.360 --> 01:29:27.680
 So the district engineer gets a certain amount of money to do things at our discretion.

01:29:27.680 --> 01:29:31.640
 Category 12, they call it strategic priority, but you're going to hear it called commission

01:29:31.640 --> 01:29:39.640
 discretion, and it means that the five members of the commission pick the project.

01:29:39.640 --> 01:29:48.920
 And 2014, there was $3 billion in category 12 strategic priority commission discretion.

01:29:48.920 --> 01:29:52.880
 In this current UTP, there's 20 billion.

01:29:52.880 --> 01:29:58.640
 And so the governor and the commission are getting into the politics of picking winners

01:29:58.640 --> 01:30:05.600
 and losers, and so they're taking, of that 100 billion I was talking about, 20 of it

01:30:05.600 --> 01:30:16.260
 is selected by the governor and the chairman of the commission, so 20% is covered by that.

01:30:16.260 --> 01:30:20.080
 So there's a conversation we always have to have about category 12, but those categories

01:30:20.080 --> 01:30:26.400
 matter and that's why we give you the list of those categories so you can know what they

01:30:26.400 --> 01:30:27.400
 are.

01:30:27.400 --> 01:30:29.560
 And that's now I'm done.

01:30:29.560 --> 01:30:36.080
 All right, you have one more question.

01:30:36.080 --> 01:30:45.800
 When more of these projects come to us, is there a way that you can put in the report

01:30:45.800 --> 01:30:51.720
 that the, I understand it's going to say like a certain amount of money is reimbursable,

01:30:51.720 --> 01:30:56.160
 but the extra money is being spent for betterment, just so we know the difference.

01:30:56.160 --> 01:30:58.120
 I don't think I've ever seen that before.

01:30:58.120 --> 01:31:00.080
 Yeah, that's not an issue.

01:31:00.080 --> 01:31:01.400
 I mean, we definitely can do that.

01:31:01.400 --> 01:31:02.400
 Like you know what I mean?

01:31:02.400 --> 01:31:07.120
 I understand you say it's reimbursable, but I didn't pick up on that we're doing this

01:31:07.120 --> 01:31:09.260
 for betterment, like improvements.

01:31:09.260 --> 01:31:10.260
 For sure.

01:31:10.260 --> 01:31:12.120
 No, I think that's easy to fix.

01:31:12.120 --> 01:31:13.120
 Okay.

01:31:13.120 --> 01:31:14.120
 Absolutely.

01:31:14.120 --> 01:31:18.640
 Hey, can just, are roundabouts covered in category five?

01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:20.240
 Don't answer that question.

01:31:20.240 --> 01:31:21.240
 I'm done.

01:31:21.240 --> 01:31:22.240
 Roundabouts.

01:31:22.240 --> 01:31:31.680
 Textile is actually moving towards roundabouts at the last, I'm not, I'm not a big advocate

01:31:31.680 --> 01:31:35.640
 for broad use, but there are specific uses where it can, and y'all have done them some

01:31:35.640 --> 01:31:37.120
 good places.

01:31:37.120 --> 01:31:42.800
 But at the short course, you had the deputy, two deputy executive directors doing a Q and

01:31:42.800 --> 01:31:47.400
 a where they'd hold up their answers to see how well they think alike.

01:31:47.400 --> 01:31:57.000
 And the question was, what is the most underutilized traffic device that you think the state ought

01:31:57.000 --> 01:31:58.480
 to look further into?

01:31:58.480 --> 01:32:01.560
 And they both held up traffic circles.

01:32:01.560 --> 01:32:04.000
 So there may be a paradigm shift.

01:32:04.000 --> 01:32:08.040
 Now you're going to have a hard time fighting the council governments because they're, they're

01:32:08.040 --> 01:32:17.200
 not a big fan and they control the categories that the state doesn't control cog controls.

01:32:17.200 --> 01:32:21.560
 But hey, don't ruin yourself, right?

01:32:21.560 --> 01:32:25.560
 30 years, 30, 40 years, who knows.

01:32:25.560 --> 01:32:26.560
 Thank you so much.

01:32:26.560 --> 01:32:33.280
 We appreciate your, appreciate you every time.

01:32:33.280 --> 01:32:35.000
 Every time.

01:32:35.000 --> 01:32:40.000
 Every time.

01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:51.880
 Okay, we're going to move on to DMC two three dash zero three one.

01:32:51.880 --> 01:32:52.880
 Alrighty.

01:32:52.880 --> 01:32:56.680
 Thank you very much chair.

01:32:56.680 --> 01:33:01.920
 So today I have a couple of different updates on the staff memorandum to bring forward to

01:33:01.920 --> 01:33:02.920
 you.

01:33:02.920 --> 01:33:08.160
 The first question that was asked as a part of our agenda last month was to give an update

01:33:08.160 --> 01:33:13.040
 on Oakland street towards a locus street.

01:33:13.040 --> 01:33:16.000
 So I just will go through this a little bit.

01:33:16.000 --> 01:33:22.600
 Oakland street from withers to locus was approved as a part of the 2019 bond program.

01:33:22.600 --> 01:33:27.640
 There is currently a need for enhanced drainage infrastructure in this area due to the inadequate

01:33:27.640 --> 01:33:28.640
 capacity.

01:33:28.640 --> 01:33:31.920
 I know you've all seen that in previous presentations.

01:33:31.920 --> 01:33:37.960
 We have developed the project to include that as a part of the upcoming 2023 bond election

01:33:37.960 --> 01:33:41.080
 that would address those drainage concerns.

01:33:41.080 --> 01:33:47.280
 Once those drainage infrastructure is completed, if the bond so passes, then we would be able

01:33:47.280 --> 01:33:51.000
 to complete that roadway in that area.

01:33:51.000 --> 01:33:57.640
 And we would begin design in 2024, being that the election, if it so passes as in November

01:33:57.640 --> 01:34:00.520
 of 2023.

01:34:00.520 --> 01:34:05.840
 The next item that was brought forward was Spencer road between loop 288 and Mayhill.

01:34:05.840 --> 01:34:11.040
 We had our development services transportation planning team put together an exhibit.

01:34:11.040 --> 01:34:16.600
 I'm going to walk through this kind of step by step and then I'll show you the graphic.

01:34:16.600 --> 01:34:21.600
 So Spencer road currently on our mobility plan is considered a secondary arterial, which

01:34:21.600 --> 01:34:28.080
 is 110 feet of right away, four lanes of travel, and we have a large development in that area,

01:34:28.080 --> 01:34:33.760
 which is Elon gray star, and they're located on the south side of Spencer, pretty close

01:34:33.760 --> 01:34:36.040
 to Mayhill.

01:34:36.040 --> 01:34:42.120
 So they have several different phased improvements, and she mentions approximately 460 feet east

01:34:42.120 --> 01:34:47.480
 of the intersection of Spencer in the loop to approximately 500 feet west of Spencer

01:34:47.480 --> 01:34:48.480
 and Mayhill.

01:34:48.480 --> 01:34:55.920
 And they have those four phases, as I mentioned, each phase is related to Spencer road.

01:34:55.920 --> 01:35:02.120
 And there is a traffic impact analysis that describes which improvements need to be made

01:35:02.120 --> 01:35:03.880
 based on each phase.

01:35:03.880 --> 01:35:06.600
 So I'll start with phase two a.

01:35:06.600 --> 01:35:10.840
 That's currently under construction, and they are responsible for pavement widening and

01:35:10.840 --> 01:35:15.480
 construction of an eastbound right turn lane at North star road.

01:35:15.480 --> 01:35:20.960
 And I'll go to the exhibit in just one minute so we can go through those phase to be received

01:35:20.960 --> 01:35:25.440
 a notice to proceed for construction in February of 2023.

01:35:25.440 --> 01:35:30.980
 And it's responsible for pavement widening and restriping to a three lanes section east

01:35:30.980 --> 01:35:35.800
 of North star along the property frontage of phase one, which is that existing multifamily

01:35:35.800 --> 01:35:41.560
 which is the furthest east connection, phase three is still in the development review process

01:35:41.560 --> 01:35:45.360
 and has not received that notice to proceed.

01:35:45.360 --> 01:35:49.420
 This will include pavement reconstruction of existing asphalt and restriping a three

01:35:49.420 --> 01:35:51.640
 lane section west of North star road.

01:35:51.640 --> 01:35:55.320
 I'm going to of course that will be pending all of the development review comments going

01:35:55.320 --> 01:35:57.120
 through that process.

01:35:57.120 --> 01:36:03.560
 Phase four has not yet entered the development review process but also will not impact Spencer

01:36:03.560 --> 01:36:05.720
 road directly.

01:36:05.720 --> 01:36:10.340
 And then there's a retail phase which has not entered the development review process,

01:36:10.340 --> 01:36:14.800
 but will be responsible for pavement reconstruction and widening and restriping of the three lane

01:36:14.800 --> 01:36:16.360
 section.

01:36:16.360 --> 01:36:21.520
 I do want to mention that all of these improvements are being made by the development due to their

01:36:21.520 --> 01:36:26.400
 traffic impact analysis or requirements as a part of their overall development.

01:36:26.400 --> 01:36:30.620
 We currently do not have a capital improvement project to make any modifications to Spencer

01:36:30.620 --> 01:36:34.780
 road between the loop and Mayhill.

01:36:34.780 --> 01:36:41.640
 And also, as I mentioned, it is shown on our mobility plan as a secondary arterial.

01:36:41.640 --> 01:36:49.320
 So I'm going to zoom in a little bit if I can and kind of start specifically.

01:36:49.320 --> 01:36:56.680
 So this is the loop 288, so this phase retail shows that Spencer road is existing and the

01:36:56.680 --> 01:37:00.920
 asphalt pavement would be replaced and widened to restripe and that's when that phase comes

01:37:00.920 --> 01:37:03.600
 through the development process.

01:37:03.600 --> 01:37:09.960
 And then as we move east, phase three, Spencer road is existing asphalt pavement, it will

01:37:09.960 --> 01:37:12.680
 have to be replaced and restriped.

01:37:12.680 --> 01:37:20.640
 Two A is requiring this eastbound right turn lane to be constructed.

01:37:20.640 --> 01:37:28.120
 Two B is requiring an eastbound lane of pavement and restriping for transition.

01:37:28.120 --> 01:37:30.340
 And then you can of course see Mayhill road.

01:37:30.340 --> 01:37:36.520
 So all of these improvements in this area will be made directly as a result of that

01:37:36.520 --> 01:37:45.040
 Elon gray star development.

01:37:45.040 --> 01:37:48.720
 I had this question and I wouldn't ask it because I said they probably already know

01:37:48.720 --> 01:37:52.120
 the answer to this, but I'm going to ask it anyway.

01:37:52.120 --> 01:37:58.920
 Why would phase three and phase retail not be together?

01:37:58.920 --> 01:38:04.280
 It just depends on the way that the developer chooses to develop, we don't make those determinations

01:38:04.280 --> 01:38:08.240
 as far as what they feel like is necessary or not necessary.

01:38:08.240 --> 01:38:13.680
 As they come through the development process, although phase three may make sense to actually

01:38:13.680 --> 01:38:19.160
 construct it as a part of the retail as a part of phase three, just because you're already

01:38:19.160 --> 01:38:22.120
 out there and it's a very short stretch, I guess that's where you're going.

01:38:22.120 --> 01:38:25.360
 Less burden on people traversing the area.

01:38:25.360 --> 01:38:26.360
 Sure.

01:38:26.360 --> 01:38:29.860
 Those determinations are made through the development review process because we're not

01:38:29.860 --> 01:38:34.920
 aware of when they actually will begin the construction of the retail and what triggers

01:38:34.920 --> 01:38:36.920
 the reconstruction is the retail.

01:38:36.920 --> 01:38:41.000
 So each one of these phases are going through with the set of plans that are approved by

01:38:41.000 --> 01:38:42.920
 the development review process.

01:38:42.920 --> 01:38:49.320
 So if they were to submit retail and it get approved through the development review process

01:38:49.320 --> 01:38:53.760
 in a similar timeframe as phase three, of course, I assume that they would make those

01:38:53.760 --> 01:38:58.720
 construction in a very similar timeframe, but currently that's not the case.

01:38:58.720 --> 01:39:01.280
 They've separated them into sections.

01:39:01.280 --> 01:39:02.280
 Okay.

01:39:02.280 --> 01:39:03.280
 That's the requirements.

01:39:03.280 --> 01:39:05.080
 I didn't know if we had required them to do it or they did that on their own.

01:39:05.080 --> 01:39:06.080
 So I appreciate the clarification.

01:39:06.080 --> 01:39:07.080
 Yes, sir.

01:39:07.080 --> 01:39:08.080
 That's all them.

01:39:08.080 --> 01:39:11.840
 It could be money or something, maybe.

01:39:11.840 --> 01:39:14.160
 I don't have the answer for that.

01:39:14.160 --> 01:39:17.160
 All righty, so we'll move on.

01:39:17.160 --> 01:39:19.280
 Trevor, would you like to do Westgate Windsor?

01:39:19.280 --> 01:39:20.280
 Sure.

01:39:20.280 --> 01:39:21.280
 All righty.

01:39:21.280 --> 01:39:32.800
 All right, so the Westgate Windsor project is planned to widen Westgate Drive from Windsor

01:39:32.800 --> 01:39:34.720
 Drive to Bronco Way.

01:39:34.720 --> 01:39:38.880
 This includes installation of drainage as well as pedestrian facilities.

01:39:38.880 --> 01:39:42.780
 We'll also widen Windsor to complete a consistent street width.

01:39:42.780 --> 01:39:46.200
 And then, so we're currently working towards 60%.

01:39:46.200 --> 01:39:52.760
 We have the 30% schematics and the design firm is working to get those to the 60%.

01:39:52.760 --> 01:39:57.040
 Bonnebrae Phase 6 will widen Bonnebrae from 380 to 77.

01:39:57.040 --> 01:40:01.280
 This includes utilities, drainage, pedestrian improvements, traffic lights.

01:40:01.280 --> 01:40:05.920
 The project is in the final stage of design and textile approval and is tentatively scheduled

01:40:05.920 --> 01:40:09.700
 for bidding award in quarter four of this year with construction starting early quarter

01:40:09.700 --> 01:40:12.800
 one of next year.

01:40:12.800 --> 01:40:16.280
 Fire Station 5, of course, was included in the 2023 bond election.

01:40:16.280 --> 01:40:19.360
 So it's going to citizen vote in November.

01:40:19.360 --> 01:40:23.780
 And then we'll be working with the fire department and once the project is approved, we'll work

01:40:23.780 --> 01:40:28.080
 into the design phase and determining how we want to bid those out.

01:40:28.080 --> 01:40:32.960
 We've talked about maybe packaging those together, Fire Station 5 and 6, and moving forward with

01:40:32.960 --> 01:40:33.960
 one CMAR.

01:40:33.960 --> 01:40:38.440
 But we'll have those conversations once it's approved by council, I mean by the voters.

01:40:38.440 --> 01:40:43.640
 Any questions on Westgate, Windsor, Drive?

01:40:43.640 --> 01:40:45.000
 Looking good.

01:40:45.000 --> 01:40:46.560
 All right.

01:40:46.560 --> 01:40:47.560
 Thanks.

01:40:47.560 --> 01:40:50.160
 Thank you, Trevor.

01:40:50.160 --> 01:40:51.160
 All righty.

01:40:51.160 --> 01:40:53.920
 So the next question that came up was downtown parking.

01:40:53.920 --> 01:41:02.200
 So we included a very long ISR that was from 2018, November of 2018, which was an overview

01:41:02.200 --> 01:41:03.980
 of the project history.

01:41:03.980 --> 01:41:08.340
 So question came up about the back end parking along Hickory Street.

01:41:08.340 --> 01:41:11.320
 It was a part of the overall Grand Street capital project.

01:41:11.320 --> 01:41:14.260
 It spanned from the A train to Locust.

01:41:14.260 --> 01:41:16.440
 It included new pavement improvement.

01:41:16.440 --> 01:41:23.880
 There was sidewalk widening, implementation of the ADA ramps, landscaping, parking configuration,

01:41:23.880 --> 01:41:28.120
 pedestrian lighting, power supply included for future growth.

01:41:28.120 --> 01:41:32.120
 And there was also, and we don't say it here, but I know because I designed it, water and

01:41:32.120 --> 01:41:38.400
 wastewater improvements along that entire corridor that were reconstructed during this

01:41:38.400 --> 01:41:39.400
 project.

01:41:39.400 --> 01:41:44.880
 So wanted to be able to share with you the information on the downtown parking and really

01:41:44.880 --> 01:41:46.720
 kind of that overall project history.

01:41:46.720 --> 01:41:50.040
 There were several studies that were conducted.

01:41:50.040 --> 01:41:52.660
 Obviously it's one way to design a roadway.

01:41:52.660 --> 01:41:58.520
 We see lots of folks that don't adhere to the back end parking in this area.

01:41:58.520 --> 01:42:00.840
 But definitely just an update.

01:42:00.840 --> 01:42:04.680
 So I'd encourage you to read the ISR, see if there's any, if you haven't already, see

01:42:04.680 --> 01:42:08.000
 if there's any additional information or questions that you have.

01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:11.720
 But that was a particular capital project back in 2018.

01:42:11.720 --> 01:42:15.920
 We have a question.

01:42:15.920 --> 01:42:22.180
 In the backup, that just seemed like it was the old 2018 ISR, there was no, no 2023 information

01:42:22.180 --> 01:42:23.180
 in there.

01:42:23.180 --> 01:42:24.180
 Is that correct?

01:42:24.180 --> 01:42:25.180
 That's correct.

01:42:25.180 --> 01:42:26.360
 We don't have any updated information.

01:42:26.360 --> 01:42:29.840
 I mean, it's facilitating and functioning as designed.

01:42:29.840 --> 01:42:34.920
 We make striping or improvements to sidewalk maintenance.

01:42:34.920 --> 01:42:37.360
 It's more on a maintenance operations standpoint at this time.

01:42:37.360 --> 01:42:41.440
 So there's not really anything additional to add unless you have a particular question.

01:42:41.440 --> 01:42:43.200
 We're happy to look into our research.

01:42:43.200 --> 01:42:48.840
 But the project being just that it was designed and constructed in 2018, it's very new.

01:42:48.840 --> 01:42:51.160
 And so it's still is functioning as designed.

01:42:51.160 --> 01:42:52.160
 Okay.

01:42:52.160 --> 01:42:53.160
 Thank you.

01:42:53.160 --> 01:42:54.160
 Yes, sir.

01:42:54.160 --> 01:42:59.320
 I have a question about that.

01:42:59.320 --> 01:43:04.640
 Are there, is there any kind of data being kept up with whether or not people are actually

01:43:04.640 --> 01:43:11.760
 conforming or we just eyeballing it and seeing that there are more people that are not conforming

01:43:11.760 --> 01:43:15.280
 to that back in, backing in project?

01:43:15.280 --> 01:43:18.160
 Are we even concerned about it?

01:43:18.160 --> 01:43:22.960
 Is there a reason, what, what are we, what are we thinking?

01:43:22.960 --> 01:43:28.600
 As far as the back end parking, definitely it is a trained behavior to make sure that

01:43:28.600 --> 01:43:32.600
 folks understand what the purpose of the back end parking is.

01:43:32.600 --> 01:43:36.500
 That when someone is trying to come in and back in, obviously they live enough space

01:43:36.500 --> 01:43:40.360
 so that you can actually make the maneuver to get back in.

01:43:40.360 --> 01:43:43.640
 As you've driven that quarter, you've seen folks are getting right close up to the car

01:43:43.640 --> 01:43:45.000
 behind them.

01:43:45.000 --> 01:43:47.340
 And they're like, you need to back up so I can back in.

01:43:47.340 --> 01:43:51.640
 And so, you know, that happens to I'm sure to all of us.

01:43:51.640 --> 01:43:55.820
 We're currently not collecting any data or keeping any information on that.

01:43:55.820 --> 01:43:59.900
 It obviously turns into an enforcement issue and it's something that our PD is not currently

01:43:59.900 --> 01:44:04.580
 enforcing to the level of ticketing, et cetera, in that area.

01:44:04.580 --> 01:44:08.120
 If that's something that we would, you would like for us to look into, we can definitely

01:44:08.120 --> 01:44:11.120
 have that conversation with PD.

01:44:11.120 --> 01:44:16.000
 But in the magnitude of importance for the things that the police department is working

01:44:16.000 --> 01:44:18.840
 on that's just not super high on the priority list.

01:44:18.840 --> 01:44:19.840
 Okay.

01:44:19.840 --> 01:44:20.840
 Okay.

01:44:20.840 --> 01:44:21.840
 Thank you.

01:44:21.840 --> 01:44:22.840
 Yes, ma'am.

01:44:22.840 --> 01:44:28.760
 So to wrap up on that, do we have any or this might be a thing for the future matrix.

01:44:28.760 --> 01:44:30.800
 So sure, you can point that out if we need it.

01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:36.920
 But do we have accident statistics from 2018 to 2023 so that we can do the comparator and

01:44:36.920 --> 01:44:41.160
 say, hey, this is this is the goal.

01:44:41.160 --> 01:44:50.560
 And are we achieving a reduction in, you know, public safety events by having this or not?

01:44:50.560 --> 01:44:55.480
 And if it's, you know, yes, then yay, keep on keeping on.

01:44:55.480 --> 01:45:02.880
 And if it's no or indeterminate, then that at least opens up the I actually like the

01:45:02.880 --> 01:45:03.880
 back end parking.

01:45:03.880 --> 01:45:05.760
 So I'm just going to preface it that way.

01:45:05.760 --> 01:45:09.400
 But we need everybody else I know hates it.

01:45:09.400 --> 01:45:12.680
 But the you know, you like it.

01:45:12.680 --> 01:45:17.880
 But my question is more, is it achieving the goal and do we have data on that from public

01:45:17.880 --> 01:45:22.440
 safety or engineering or development services or whoever would have that data?

01:45:22.440 --> 01:45:26.840
 So that's definitely data that we can get our hands on.

01:45:26.840 --> 01:45:30.280
 Happy to add that to a future agenda item.

01:45:30.280 --> 01:45:35.520
 And we work with PD very closely to find out that type of information.

01:45:35.520 --> 01:45:39.960
 And so we could pull records for that cross section of roadway from address to address

01:45:39.960 --> 01:45:43.600
 and see what types of accidents and then we could bring that back to you next month and

01:45:43.600 --> 01:45:44.600
 report on that.

01:45:44.600 --> 01:45:45.600
 Appreciate that.

01:45:45.600 --> 01:45:46.600
 Thank you.

01:45:46.600 --> 01:45:47.600
 Absolutely.

01:45:47.600 --> 01:45:48.600
 We have new new residents.

01:45:48.600 --> 01:45:49.600
 You know, they come through, they don't understand process.

01:45:49.600 --> 01:45:50.600
 You have any other questions?

01:45:50.600 --> 01:45:51.600
 Okay.

01:45:51.600 --> 01:45:52.600
 All right.

01:45:52.600 --> 01:45:53.600
 All righty.

01:45:53.600 --> 01:46:05.520
 So then the last item before we get to the future agenda items was the citywide and downtown

01:46:05.520 --> 01:46:06.760
 parking study.

01:46:06.760 --> 01:46:11.380
 So there's lots of conversations and questions that come in constantly about parking throughout

01:46:11.380 --> 01:46:12.380
 the city.

01:46:12.380 --> 01:46:16.080
 No parking signs, you know, they run the gamut.

01:46:16.080 --> 01:46:22.200
 So we're in the process of updating the downtown master plan and identifying, I'm sorry, in

01:46:22.200 --> 01:46:27.440
 the process of updating the downtown master plan, it identified, of course, the critical

01:46:27.440 --> 01:46:29.760
 component of the parking.

01:46:29.760 --> 01:46:33.880
 So there's a request for proposal that was completed and you've seen that come through

01:46:33.880 --> 01:46:36.280
 for the downtown parking.

01:46:36.280 --> 01:46:42.480
 It'll help provide insight to traffic patterns, number of parking spaces, times of day people

01:46:42.480 --> 01:46:47.680
 are using demographic of the users and how it's being utilized.

01:46:47.680 --> 01:46:53.800
 It's also going to assess the need for those additional and alternative parking facilities.

01:46:53.800 --> 01:46:57.840
 And then we're also working through a citywide parking study, which is going to be completed

01:46:57.840 --> 01:47:02.960
 in conjunction with that downtown parking study, but we'll be making overall recommendations

01:47:02.960 --> 01:47:08.080
 regarding current parking policies, enforcement practices, planning, engineering, standing,

01:47:08.080 --> 01:47:09.820
 loading zones.

01:47:09.820 --> 01:47:14.380
 That downtown parking study was kicked off on the 15th and the citywide speed study is

01:47:14.380 --> 01:47:18.920
 currently going through the process with the solicitation review committee.

01:47:18.920 --> 01:47:24.640
 The proposal is so that we can get that out on the street and receive proposals on that

01:47:24.640 --> 01:47:25.880
 citywide parking study.

01:47:25.880 --> 01:47:28.080
 So we're currently in the process.

01:47:28.080 --> 01:47:33.160
 Of course, that will come through council once we receive all of the proposals and do

01:47:33.160 --> 01:47:40.280
 that overall evaluation of the proposal to select a company to move forward with, affirm.

01:47:40.280 --> 01:47:45.040
 That's always very exciting to hear about parking.

01:47:45.040 --> 01:47:47.000
 Yes.

01:47:47.000 --> 01:47:52.280
 So I appreciate that we've broken it down into phases with the downtown and the citywide

01:47:52.280 --> 01:47:57.400
 and I really applaud that because that phasing allows us to get some preliminary results

01:47:57.400 --> 01:48:01.720
 in our commercial core.

01:48:01.720 --> 01:48:07.400
 Do we have an ETA for, and the reason I asked this question is it sounded like from the

01:48:07.400 --> 01:48:14.040
 narrative and the backup that we were doing them in conjunction and coming up with recommendations

01:48:14.040 --> 01:48:20.800
 in conjunction, and that means that we're waiting sort of on the citywide or it implies

01:48:20.800 --> 01:48:25.320
 to me we're waiting on the citywide before we make recommendations and I'd be interested

01:48:25.320 --> 01:48:32.280
 in hearing preliminary recommendations from the phase one downtown parking plan as early

01:48:32.280 --> 01:48:36.760
 as possible because I think that's going to influence if we see early success stories

01:48:36.760 --> 01:48:42.560
 or early modalities that, okay, this is clearly, we've got to pilot this now.

01:48:42.560 --> 01:48:50.320
 I would be really interested in not moving downstream time wise, but trying that pilot

01:48:50.320 --> 01:48:51.320
 early.

01:48:51.320 --> 01:48:52.320
 Sure.

01:48:52.320 --> 01:48:56.760
 Let me explain what in conjunction means in my terminology or what I would think would

01:48:56.760 --> 01:48:57.960
 help with the conversation.

01:48:57.960 --> 01:49:00.920
 So the downtown parking study is not slowing down.

01:49:00.920 --> 01:49:05.120
 It's already had the kickoff meeting and they're already working through the process.

01:49:05.120 --> 01:49:10.560
 What we mean by in conjunction is whatever information results, questions that are asked,

01:49:10.560 --> 01:49:14.760
 data that's collected that might be useful in using for the citywide.

01:49:14.760 --> 01:49:18.560
 This is just one subset of what needs to be done citywide, right?

01:49:18.560 --> 01:49:20.520
 The downtown is just one subset.

01:49:20.520 --> 01:49:24.640
 We have universities, we have lots of areas where parking comes up.

01:49:24.640 --> 01:49:27.720
 Residential streets, residential streets close to universities.

01:49:27.720 --> 01:49:29.800
 We have a number of items we're going to be covering.

01:49:29.800 --> 01:49:33.440
 No parking, loading zones, et cetera, through the overall parking study.

01:49:33.440 --> 01:49:39.520
 So if you think about the big picture is the citywide parking study in totality, the downtown

01:49:39.520 --> 01:49:43.880
 is just one subset where we're looking to see what type of information we receive and

01:49:43.880 --> 01:49:48.400
 are there some best practices or some things that need to happen that can then be facilitated

01:49:48.400 --> 01:49:50.480
 through the overall citywide speed study.

01:49:50.480 --> 01:49:52.440
 So that's what in conjunction means.

01:49:52.440 --> 01:49:56.640
 Downtown is not necessarily slowing down to make sure because we're probably six months

01:49:56.640 --> 01:50:01.400
 out and getting that contract and citywide speed study just through the procurement process

01:50:01.400 --> 01:50:03.200
 with the proposals, et cetera.

01:50:03.200 --> 01:50:04.200
 All right.

01:50:04.200 --> 01:50:07.680
 No, I'm very interested in getting things off the ground.

01:50:07.680 --> 01:50:10.480
 So yeah, thank you.

01:50:10.480 --> 01:50:11.480
 Absolutely.

01:50:11.480 --> 01:50:12.480
 All righty.

01:50:12.480 --> 01:50:16.720
 So then the last thing that we'll move to is future agenda items.

01:50:16.720 --> 01:50:21.140
 So you can see for item number one, we brought you back the update.

01:50:21.140 --> 01:50:26.920
 So we're requesting to remove the Oakland Street towards Locust Street.

01:50:26.920 --> 01:50:30.560
 Item number two, Spencer Road between loop 280 Mayhill.

01:50:30.560 --> 01:50:32.640
 We brought that back to you.

01:50:32.640 --> 01:50:37.520
 West Gate Windsor, Bonnyberry Fire Station, Trevor reported on that.

01:50:37.520 --> 01:50:41.080
 Downtown back-end parking and citywide parking study.

01:50:41.080 --> 01:50:47.640
 I think on downtown parking, instead of removing that, I'm gonna leave that on there if that's

01:50:47.640 --> 01:50:52.040
 good with you to make sure we can bring back those accidents and any data or anything we're

01:50:52.040 --> 01:50:55.000
 learning since it's been in operation.

01:50:55.000 --> 01:51:01.960
 And so we will leave that on there to bring that data back to you and report on.

01:51:01.960 --> 01:51:07.200
 Mingo Roodell, we're asking to remove that because we just gave you a council update

01:51:07.200 --> 01:51:09.320
 on Mingo and Roodell and that's a part of the bond.

01:51:09.320 --> 01:51:12.500
 So we felt like we'd addressed it through that.

01:51:12.500 --> 01:51:18.800
 So all of those except for, let's see, a number, well, our numbers are off.

01:51:18.800 --> 01:51:20.200
 We'll have to fix that.

01:51:20.200 --> 01:51:26.880
 All of those except for downtown back-end parking, we're requesting to remove as a future

01:51:26.880 --> 01:51:27.880
 agenda item.

01:51:27.880 --> 01:51:31.040
 Are there any concerns with those?

01:51:31.040 --> 01:51:33.760
 - The first one, two, three, four.

01:51:33.760 --> 01:51:38.880
 - So we're removing Oakland Street, Spencer Road, West Gate Windsor, citywide and downtown

01:51:38.880 --> 01:51:41.080
 parking study, and then the bond.

01:51:41.080 --> 01:51:47.520
 I think on the citywide and downtown parking study, we might wanna leave that also on there

01:51:47.520 --> 01:51:53.480
 or at least Megan can help us make sure that that's on a future meeting when there's something

01:51:53.480 --> 01:51:57.640
 that is important to report with the information that you receive on the downtown.

01:51:57.640 --> 01:52:02.700
 But I think it's apparent that we could remove it now just when there's data that can be

01:52:02.700 --> 01:52:06.360
 shared on the downtown to share that with you, if that's good with you.

01:52:06.360 --> 01:52:07.920
 - I think that's great.

01:52:07.920 --> 01:52:08.920
 - Okay.

01:52:08.920 --> 01:52:14.600
 And then mapping for sidewalk, bicycle, corridor, we're currently in the process of GIS mapping

01:52:14.600 --> 01:52:15.600
 all of that.

01:52:15.600 --> 01:52:20.240
 So when we're ready to share that and we're definitely gonna bring that back, Trevor gave

01:52:20.240 --> 01:52:25.160
 a Bonnie Bray update for phase six and then Bonnie Bray phase three, you saw recently

01:52:25.160 --> 01:52:30.100
 at council that you approved the contract on that.

01:52:30.100 --> 01:52:35.560
 So if there's updates on that, we'll bring those back next month.

01:52:35.560 --> 01:52:38.560
 Hickory Creek road phase three update.

01:52:38.560 --> 01:52:44.140
 We didn't bring you anything forward today, but happy to always bring that back to you.

01:52:44.140 --> 01:52:49.040
 It's still under construction and everything seems to be going well.

01:52:49.040 --> 01:52:52.160
 No delays that we're aware of at this point.

01:52:52.160 --> 01:52:59.040
 Ryan road, we've mentioned we'll bring that back to you once we're fairly far with construction

01:52:59.040 --> 01:53:02.460
 being close to completion of Hickory Creek phase three.

01:53:02.460 --> 01:53:06.680
 And then we're still in a waiting of textile responses on the citywide speed study.

01:53:06.680 --> 01:53:09.840
 So we just left that on the matrix until we have that information.

01:53:09.840 --> 01:53:15.540
 So I'm updating downtown parking to make sure we collect the accident data.

01:53:15.540 --> 01:53:18.480
 We'll add citywide and downtown parking study.

01:53:18.480 --> 01:53:21.560
 So that as soon as something's available, we'll just leave it on the matrix so we can

01:53:21.560 --> 01:53:23.200
 bring it forward.

01:53:23.200 --> 01:53:29.820
 I understood that on 35, you'd like for us to bring an update date to you on what is

01:53:29.820 --> 01:53:32.460
 better meant versus what is reimbursable.

01:53:32.460 --> 01:53:35.520
 So we'll be bringing that back as a future agenda item.

01:53:35.520 --> 01:53:38.960
 And then three, I'm sorry, go ahead.

01:53:38.960 --> 01:53:40.120
 Perhaps you don't have to do it here.

01:53:40.120 --> 01:53:45.640
 Just when it comes to council for us to approve stuff, you can just put something maybe in

01:53:45.640 --> 01:53:46.640
 the backup there.

01:53:46.640 --> 01:53:49.040
 Well, you've already approved all of it.

01:53:49.040 --> 01:53:50.440
 You've already approved all of it.

01:53:50.440 --> 01:53:51.920
 It's all under construction.

01:53:51.920 --> 01:53:55.960
 So you won't be seeing anything unless there's a massive change order.

01:53:55.960 --> 01:54:00.120
 You've already, it's already been all approved and you approved the last contract the last

01:54:00.120 --> 01:54:01.120
 month.

01:54:01.120 --> 01:54:04.840
 So we're happy to bring an update to you to tell you the difference between that if you

01:54:04.840 --> 01:54:05.840
 like.

01:54:05.840 --> 01:54:10.840
 I hate the ways the committee's talking about stuff we've already approved.

01:54:10.840 --> 01:54:11.840
 So no.

01:54:11.840 --> 01:54:12.840
 Okay.

01:54:12.840 --> 01:54:13.840
 Well, then we can make that off the list.

01:54:13.840 --> 01:54:17.200
 And then I do, I did also add the 380 loop 28 schematic.

01:54:17.200 --> 01:54:21.120
 Once they have information that's good enough to share, I was going to show John before

01:54:21.120 --> 01:54:25.600
 you walked out the door that mingo road continues and they will have a railroad crossing.

01:54:25.600 --> 01:54:28.000
 So I'll make sure that I show that information.

01:54:28.000 --> 01:54:32.400
 But if they feel like they have enough information that they could come back at the next meeting

01:54:32.400 --> 01:54:36.240
 and show you more of a schematic in that area and report on similar things that showed in

01:54:36.240 --> 01:54:37.440
 the public hearing.

01:54:37.440 --> 01:54:41.040
 It just depends on where they are on their comment phase.

01:54:41.040 --> 01:54:45.940
 If not, we can add it to the agenda to if not bring back next month as soon as is available

01:54:45.940 --> 01:54:49.440
 and they have that detailed information that area that I was talking about with some of

01:54:49.440 --> 01:54:52.000
 the homes that is city of Denton, correct?

01:54:52.000 --> 01:54:53.720
 I'm going to have you show me on the map.

01:54:53.720 --> 01:54:57.520
 I have it up on my computer before you walk out the door to make sure that I'm looking

01:54:57.520 --> 01:54:59.560
 at the same area that you are.

01:54:59.560 --> 01:55:02.440
 That is my, that is my understanding.

01:55:02.440 --> 01:55:06.720
 So we're going to, we're going to show the city limit sign and you will, you and I will

01:55:06.720 --> 01:55:10.800
 get savvy with what's in the city of Denton and make sure we're all on the same page from

01:55:10.800 --> 01:55:11.800
 that map.

01:55:11.800 --> 01:55:12.800
 Thank you, ma'am.

01:55:12.800 --> 01:55:13.800
 Yes, sir.

01:55:13.800 --> 01:55:15.280
 So I'll just follow up on that one.

01:55:15.280 --> 01:55:21.880
 I mean, I brought this up with Tina and Karina and I don't know if I talked with any, maybe

01:55:21.880 --> 01:55:26.720
 I talked to Trevor at the last, but there's the cemetery right there behind the church

01:55:26.720 --> 01:55:31.000
 and it turns out there's cemetery on both sides of the church, whether they were allowed

01:55:31.000 --> 01:55:32.000
 to do that or not.

01:55:32.000 --> 01:55:33.000
 It doesn't matter.

01:55:33.000 --> 01:55:34.000
 There's bodies in the ground.

01:55:34.000 --> 01:55:35.000
 It's the cemetery now.

01:55:35.000 --> 01:55:43.720
 So I don't know if that distance to the proposed alignment is, is now too short for the overpass

01:55:43.720 --> 01:55:48.240
 that John didn't realize what we were talking about, but there's, there's, I mean, you got

01:55:48.240 --> 01:55:49.240
 to have a bridge over Mingo.

01:55:49.240 --> 01:55:51.520
 You got to have a bridge over the railroad tracks.

01:55:51.520 --> 01:55:52.520
 There's a creek right there.

01:55:52.520 --> 01:55:53.580
 You're going to have to have a bridge.

01:55:53.580 --> 01:55:59.040
 So how are that six or 12 lanes is going to go majority of it have to be a skyway of some

01:55:59.040 --> 01:56:00.040
 sort.

01:56:00.040 --> 01:56:01.280
 The majority of it's elevated.

01:56:01.280 --> 01:56:06.440
 So and, but my question on that follow up of this one point is when we bring back this

01:56:06.440 --> 01:56:13.080
 alignment, could, could we address some of these particulars that were concerning like

01:56:13.080 --> 01:56:15.040
 the cemeteries and things like that?

01:56:15.040 --> 01:56:16.040
 Sure.

01:56:16.040 --> 01:56:17.040
 And I understand.

01:56:17.040 --> 01:56:20.680
 And the reason why I'm saying I'm not sure if for next month.

01:56:20.680 --> 01:56:27.880
 I understand that they had the public hearing, they had an overall review and comment phase

01:56:27.880 --> 01:56:30.040
 and they're working to address all of those comments.

01:56:30.040 --> 01:56:31.640
 We meet with them monthly.

01:56:31.640 --> 01:56:35.920
 So what I will find out from them is if they've had the opportunity to receive all the comments,

01:56:35.920 --> 01:56:39.120
 address all the comments, and if they feel comfortable with coming in and discussing

01:56:39.120 --> 01:56:43.400
 those or if they need in a little extra time, we'll either bring it back in September or

01:56:43.400 --> 01:56:47.840
 October when they have that information available and have them kind of do an overview of the

01:56:47.840 --> 01:56:55.160
 project and specifically hone in on that 388 I'm sorry, 380 Luke 288 connection area.

01:56:55.160 --> 01:56:56.160
 Perfect.

01:56:56.160 --> 01:57:00.880
 And if I might share, I just have two other items I'd like to consider adding to the matrix.

01:57:00.880 --> 01:57:01.880
 Sure.

01:57:01.880 --> 01:57:07.280
 I'd like to at some point sooner rather than later, doesn't have to be urgent, but sooner

01:57:07.280 --> 01:57:12.920
 because I think it impacts future development is can we get a brief description on what

01:57:12.920 --> 01:57:17.280
 our model assumptions are for our traffic models?

01:57:17.280 --> 01:57:21.760
 Because this came up and I'll give you the context so it's clear what I'm asking for.

01:57:21.760 --> 01:57:29.840
 When we did the bell and potential roundabout description recently and when we did, we talked

01:57:29.840 --> 01:57:35.800
 about traffic on Carol recently, we had certain model assumptions of growth of traffic growth

01:57:35.800 --> 01:57:38.880
 five, five percent annually or something like that.

01:57:38.880 --> 01:57:44.800
 Don't quote me that that may be wrong, but there was a linear growth traffic model assumption

01:57:44.800 --> 01:57:50.400
 like that means, you know, OK, you're going to expand all the the collectors to arterials

01:57:50.400 --> 01:57:53.160
 and arterials to primaries and primaries to highways.

01:57:53.160 --> 01:57:57.920
 And it's we all know you can't do that because you'd end up having to have right away to

01:57:57.920 --> 01:58:02.440
 destroy courthouses and things like that that are not going to happen.

01:58:02.440 --> 01:58:10.320
 So then I would like to hear a little bit about what our model assumptions are as we

01:58:10.320 --> 01:58:17.160
 continue to have growth and and how those are being used, because I'm going to keep

01:58:17.160 --> 01:58:25.200
 bringing up the Bell, Locust, Eagle, Dallas roundabout, and I'm going to keep bringing

01:58:25.200 --> 01:58:28.400
 that up because I sensed interest in it.

01:58:28.400 --> 01:58:33.640
 And the reason it failed and other things failed was traffic model assumptions.

01:58:33.640 --> 01:58:38.960
 And so, A, I would like to hear the traffic model assumptions and B, I'm going to touch

01:58:38.960 --> 01:58:43.720
 that third rail because I'm quite comfortable touching that third rail, that roundabout.

01:58:43.720 --> 01:58:49.040
 And because I think that that has particular implications for our development style and

01:58:49.040 --> 01:58:55.600
 pattern and it depends on those traffic model assumptions as to why we didn't like it and

01:58:55.600 --> 01:58:58.020
 why we didn't have additional plans.

01:58:58.020 --> 01:59:02.400
 So those are the sort of two phases of things I'd like to see on the mobility image.

01:59:02.400 --> 01:59:07.840
 OK, so I'm going to have to think about how it's best to bring back that information because

01:59:07.840 --> 01:59:12.880
 in the mobility plan, traffic model assumptions were made in order to classify what roadways

01:59:12.880 --> 01:59:17.440
 and that's an update that happens typically every five years.

01:59:17.440 --> 01:59:24.600
 When you're looking at an isolated corridor such as the Bell, Eagle, Carroll corridor,

01:59:24.600 --> 01:59:29.880
 traffic assumptions were made based on growth patterns using the comprehensive plan.

01:59:29.880 --> 01:59:32.920
 So I'm going to have to think about what's the best way to bring that information back

01:59:32.920 --> 01:59:37.760
 to you because in many cases it's an isolated situation.

01:59:37.760 --> 01:59:43.280
 It may be best for us to do it from an education perspective on what's currently written in

01:59:43.280 --> 01:59:48.640
 our transportation criteria manual and what are the design assumptions that we're requiring

01:59:48.640 --> 01:59:51.120
 folks to do as they develop through the community.

01:59:51.120 --> 01:59:54.840
 So let me think about what's the best way to bring that back because there's a lot of

01:59:54.840 --> 01:59:57.840
 moving parts with that type of a conversation.

01:59:57.840 --> 02:00:03.560
 I appreciate that and I will ask just as a follow up real briefly because I know we're

02:00:03.560 --> 02:00:10.640
 four minutes over, thank you Chair, and that is can we have the general education, I mean

02:00:10.640 --> 02:00:17.200
 obviously specific examples are illustrative, but in general I would like to know the general

02:00:17.200 --> 02:00:19.480
 traffic model assumptions as well.

02:00:19.480 --> 02:00:24.320
 OK, yeah so let me think about what's the best way and I'm not going to promise to come

02:00:24.320 --> 02:00:26.800
 back for the next month but I understand your concern.

02:00:26.800 --> 02:00:28.280
 Some future meetings.

02:00:28.280 --> 02:00:30.360
 We will figure that out.

02:00:30.360 --> 02:00:31.360
 Absolutely.

02:00:31.360 --> 02:00:33.480
 All righty, anything else?

02:00:33.480 --> 02:00:39.760
 Just one more thing for me and this has been bothering me for at least 15 to 20 years.

02:00:39.760 --> 02:00:48.680
 Probably could have had something done by now but it's a state of Texas issue.

02:00:48.680 --> 02:00:49.680
 OK.

02:00:49.680 --> 02:00:57.040
 So John, probably could have asked him at the time, but between Carroll Boulevard and

02:00:57.040 --> 02:01:03.040
 Loop 288 on 380, there's literally just no lighting.

02:01:03.040 --> 02:01:10.800
 I remember being frustrated by seeing all the trees, you know, come up and watering

02:01:10.800 --> 02:01:16.840
 and all the beautification, but there's not any lighting, especially around the Texas

02:01:16.840 --> 02:01:24.560
 Women's University area, so I need for somebody to say something to me about that.

02:01:24.560 --> 02:01:29.360
 So we recently put that information in a Friday report, so I'm happy to share that information

02:01:29.360 --> 02:01:30.800
 back with you.

02:01:30.800 --> 02:01:35.600
 That was a question that was asked and so there is a project that was a part of the

02:01:35.600 --> 02:01:42.240
 2019 to do bond program to do lighting along 380 and so that will be the project that will

02:01:42.240 --> 02:01:46.880
 address that, so happy to bring forward any additional information.

02:01:46.880 --> 02:01:48.760
 No, I'll just read my Friday report.

02:01:48.760 --> 02:01:49.760
 OK.

02:01:49.760 --> 02:01:50.760
 So I have to do.

02:01:50.760 --> 02:01:51.760
 Come on.

02:01:51.760 --> 02:01:52.760
 OK.

02:01:52.760 --> 02:01:53.760
 Oh, I was probably asleep.

02:01:53.760 --> 02:01:54.760
 Yeah, I was probably asleep.

02:01:54.760 --> 02:01:55.760
 Yeah.

02:01:55.760 --> 02:01:56.760
 All righty.

02:01:56.760 --> 02:01:59.760
 I was probably asleep on that one.

02:01:59.760 --> 02:02:04.000
 Well, you were out during that week, so I'm not sure that you were reading Friday reports

02:02:04.000 --> 02:02:05.560
 and you were taking care of yourself.

02:02:05.560 --> 02:02:06.560
 That's right.

02:02:06.560 --> 02:02:07.560
 All right.

02:02:07.560 --> 02:02:08.560
 Is there anything else?

02:02:08.560 --> 02:02:11.160
 Any concluding items from anyone?

02:02:11.160 --> 02:02:12.160
 Are we OK?

02:02:12.160 --> 02:02:13.160
 All right.

02:02:13.160 --> 02:02:14.160
 All right.

02:02:14.160 --> 02:02:20.760
 Well, then we will conclude the meeting at 1007.

02:02:20.760 --> 02:02:21.760
 Thank you very much.