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 >> Good morning.

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 We are here at the mobility committee, Wednesday, August 23rd, 8 a.m., in council work session

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 We are determining that a quorum is present and we -- I think we're -- thank you.

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 Someone else is showing up in the room.

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 So I think we can just maybe leave B where he is now?

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 >> Yes, ma'am.

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 Great.

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 So next on the item list is the citizens' comments.

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 Do we have any citizens that want to comment?

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 No.

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 We're not in it here.

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 So we'll move on to item number 2, items for individual consideration, AMC 23-027, consider

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 approval of the minutes of July 26, 2023.

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 >> I move approval.

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 >> I say it.

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 >> Is there a second?

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 >> All right.

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 I will now vote.

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 >> Aye.

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 So we'll move on to B, MC 23032, received nomination and elected committee chair and

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 vice chair.

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 Is there anyone who's interested in being the chair of the committee?

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 >> I'm asking for the floor, not asking for the chair.

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 >> Okay.

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 You can have the floor.

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 I would like to nominate Vicki Byrd to continue as chair.

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 >> Second.

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 >> Okay.

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 And I will agree to that.

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 So we have the committee chair, Vicki Byrd, at their vote, all approval.

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 >> Aye.

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 >> Aye.

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 >> Okay.

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 And also vice chair, anyone interested in being the vice chair?

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 Well, I'll nominate Ryan Beck for vice chair.

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 >> I second that.

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 >> I accept.

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 >> All right.

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 So all in approval, say aye.

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 Great.

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 Then we move down to C, MC 23-029, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the

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 city of Denton transportation mobility project status report.

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 >> My name is John Poulster with innovative transportation solutions and I work for the

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 city of Denton.

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 Should we make that a little larger?

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 We'll figure it out.

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 So I see some new faces.

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 I'll go into a little bit more detail than I normally do on these projects.

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 This page shows the projects that we're working on, what their potential let date is, if we

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 know it.

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 And a let date is when it's let for construction, which we anticipate it will go out for a bid

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 for contracting.

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 Who we think the firms are working on it, whether it's a construction or engineering

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 firms and then the general rough construction amount that we are involved in with that particular

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 So you'll see that this report covers about $4.5 billion worth of roadway improvements

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 in and around Denton.

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 So the first project we're going to go start up at the north is IH 35 north and you'll

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 see that it's color coded.

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 And they all have different, what's called a CSJ, and a CSJ for projects is like a road

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 project social security number.

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 That's how they identify it in the system with that CSJ number.

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 And you'll note that this has four CSJs with four different ready to let dates and dollar

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 amounts associated with each of those four.

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 Now you'll see on your report you see a ready to let date and then a let date.

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 The difference between a ready to let and a let date is the ready to let date is when

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 you see the schematic approval is approved, the environmental document is approved, the

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 roadway acquisition is acquired, and utilities are relocated.

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 So once all those four items are done, the project is essentially ready to let and then

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 text that has the dollar amounts earmarked for that particular year.

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 So we have the ability to move these projects up if we get them ready to let sooner than

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 I noticed on CSJ ends in '76 that it's not on your list.

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 You have 116 on your list, and I was just trying to understand.

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 So I asked the same question at…or answers to me the other day.

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 If you look in the green, there's an '084 and a 116, okay?

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 So that covers the two on the bottom of ready to let, '084 and 116.

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 So that's a conversation we need to have.

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 So we're just reporting the rest of it because it's all one job.

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 So we can give you -- because we do a report for each one of the four commissioners.

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 So each precinct has its own report like this that covers 455, Milam Road, Outer Loop, all

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 and that "ready to let" for those CSJs is consistent with when those utility providers

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 And that's reimbursable, you know, on an interstate it's always 100% reimbursable, on U.S. highways,

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 >> So then just south of this -- that project, we call it the I-35EW merge, and it's where

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 the two 35s come together, and it ends at 77 where that previous job starts.

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 to let date because this whole project is going as a single project, and we are close

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 so that we can let these -- let this project in April, and this is a $466 million -- half

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 To put that in perspective, what y'all lived through when we did the interim improvement

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 four toll-managed lanes up to 380, and then we won't -- they won't be operational at

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 the entrance ramp goes up and down over the exit, so you'll exit, and then people will

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 There's no walls to impact it, so we'll have braided ramps in this area, which should go

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 a long way to solve all the congestion problems.

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 it looks like a long sword up to 288 because when we did the Luke 288 job, we did the southbound

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 the Mayhill job, we're going to do the northbound frontage road all the way to 288, but it also

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 two lefts, and one U-turn, so that's a total of 10. 2499 has six lanes coming up, Mayhill

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 and come back down, so if you want to go from Mayhill to Luke 288, you will no longer have

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 to stop at brinker, you'll go up and back down and stop at Luke 288, as opposed to have

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 to go to the brinker signal, and same thing coming southbound, if you're exiting to get

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 to Mayhill, you have to exit just south of 288, you'll run the frontage road, two frontage

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 roads will go down to the signal and one will go up, attach to the main lanes and then come

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 drop back down, because if you notice where we built brinker was just offset to that creek,

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 so it's a natural swell, and so it's really easy for us to just match the grade of 35

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 there with one of the frontage roads, so we'll have a bypass for lack of a better word, so

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 those are two main things associated with Mayhill, and we're looking at, we're going

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 to be ready in February, and we have to work on getting the date moved up from June of

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 2025 to February 24, which is doable because we're using category two funds, which are

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 controlled locally.

244
00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:35,640
 Thank you Madam Chair, and forgive me if you all have already looked at this, I don't remember

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 seeing this in the presentation we had on with the Mayhill Bridge, you said three lanes

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 are going to go through on each side for Mayhill, it's going to be total 12?

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 At 35.

248
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 Okay.

249
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 So y'all are working on Mayhill as well to the north of there, you're bridging DCTA?

250
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 Sure, so on Mayhill between Medical City and the Baylor, the quick trip, are we going to

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 cut out some of that center median to add another lane to go through as well?

252
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 I don't remember seeing that, you know what I'm talking about?

253
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 I do know what you're talking about, I'm going to have to get Trevor to answer that question

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 for you because I don't have all of the lanes, my understanding is yes, it's three lanes

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 each direction.

256
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 I can answer that.

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 So within a certain distance away from 35, when TxDOT comes in and builds an interchange,

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 it goes back a distance roughly around 600 feet, so for that 600 feet, we have to have

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 all six lanes of Mayhill constructed because the signal and the intersection underneath

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 the interstate won't work.

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 So that'll be built with the state's job.

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 Your job from the north coming across DCTA will get to Colorado and then there'll be

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 some transition there at Colorado.

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 But from Colorado to 35?

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 Yeah, that's the part we're not talking about because I've got to find a way to sneak that

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 in to the state's job without them knowing it.

267
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 Okay, just kidding.

268
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 We're going to get it fixed.

269
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 We're going to fix it somehow.

270
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 Okay, thank you.

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 I appreciate it.

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 With one of these jobs.

273
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 Thank you.

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 My bad.

275
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 I remember I asked that similar question and he said, "Oh, we'll take care of that."

276
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 We've got that.

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 I've got to tell me what not to mention in public.

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 We're going to get forgiveness.

279
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 You're fine.

280
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 We're going to get forgiveness.

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 John knows he's going to help and make that happen.

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 Make it happen.

283
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 It'll be easy enough.

284
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 Uh-oh.

285
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 Okay.

286
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 We know it's a problem, absolutely, and we're working to include it one way or the other.

287
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 So now we go to the other 35W and what we're working on, and again what we can do is, depending

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 upon what your desire to see beyond your scope, we are actually working on the frontage roads

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 on 35W all the way south to Texas Motor Speedway.

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 We have it broken up into three segments from 407 to 2449 and then 2449 to where our merged

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 job stops and then from 407 down to basically Del Earnhardt.

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 The total for all of this is about 600, 700 million.

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 We have about 288 million for all of 35W already in the 10-year plan.

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 But for whatever reason, the commission put it on the southern portion because they think

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 you build things south to north.

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 All of the development that's going on on 35W right now is in and around 407 up to 2449,

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 Coal Ranch, Hunter, Merdod stuff, Harvest, all that stuff going on.

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 So our priority is the middle section.

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 Because basically once you get south of 1171, you can see there's a big creek there.

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 There's no development there.

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 North of 2449, nobody wants to touch that because you've got a big creek section and

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 a railroad track.

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 So we're all fighting to see who's the last person that has to build that section.

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 But we're focused on this.

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 We've got WSP doing the design.

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 It's environmentally cleared.

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 They're buying right away, and typically once the state buys the right away, they are committed

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 to the project.

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 So it's just a matter of we're going to have it ready to let by the end of this next year.

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 When you see a let date that's four or five years out, 2028, that's just a number.

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 The first four years, '23, '24, '25, '26, and so next year it'll be '27.

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 Those first four years matter.

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 Anything outside that four-year period is just a holding spot for the last six years

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 of the 10-year plan.

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 It doesn't move around all the time.

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 So we've been told that this is a priority to the commission.

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 And so we think that once we're ready to let in December, sometime next year, we'll be

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 able to come back and tell you that we've got money for the frontage roads for this section.

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 All right.

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 This is the section.

321
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 Can I -- excuse me, can I ask -- just clarify.

322
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 So the only thing that we're doing at this point and we're concerned about at this point

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 is just the frontage roads.

324
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:33,080
 Okay.

325
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 Yes.

326
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 So, you know, no toll road, no, you know, exchanges, just straight frontage road right

327
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 now.

328
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 So you want the short answer or the long, real answer?

329
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 Short.

330
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 Short.

331
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:46,800
 Yes.

332
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 Okay.

333
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 Got it.

334
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 That's helpful.

335
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:52,880
 Yes.

336
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 If I may as well, with your description based off of the arbitrary dates, we should then

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 assume that the date will -- the let date will be moved up.

338
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:01,960
 Yes, sir.

339
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:02,960
 Okay.

340
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,960
 I think the commission might have a concern about the word arbitrary, but yes, they -- what

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 they do is they have a 10-year plan and it's about $80 billion for that 10 years.

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 And so the federal government requires each year to be financially constrained.

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 So they stick it in a year, but that year has to balance to what they have for that

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 year.

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 But what happens by the time you get to 2028, all your priorities change and the projects

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 that are in the list in '23 for '28 are never the projects that get built in '28.

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 It's something different.

348
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 It's just -- it's like a horse race.

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 Every time we see an example like this as a new committee member, I should assume the

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 date is actually going to be moved up, this kind of --

351
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:42,280
 Yes, sir.

352
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 You should.

353
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 Otherwise, y'all should fire me.

354
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:45,280
 Thank you, sir.

355
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:46,280
 Thank you, Madam Chair.

356
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 All right.

357
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:55,320
 So 380 -- we call it 377, 380 because it's a dual moniker, but --

358
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,080
 John, I think you didn't answer Councilmember Byrd's question.

359
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 She said she wanted a short answer.

360
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 I just wanted a short answer.

361
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:01,440
 Okay.

362
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:02,440
 You're good?

363
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:03,440
 I'm good.

364
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 I'm good.

365
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:05,440
 Okay.

366
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:06,440
 I'm sorry.

367
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,440
 I just wanted to make sure because I didn't see you shake your head that you were good.

368
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 I'm good.

369
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:09,440
 Okay.

370
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:10,440
 I'm sorry, John.

371
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:11,440
 Go ahead.

372
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:12,440
 Straight to the point.

373
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:13,440
 Okay.

374
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 380.

375
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,620
 So it's under construction right now.

376
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 White Oaks has the contract, and we are looking at a -- so this is the first time you've seen

377
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 this.

378
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 So whenever you have a project in your report that's actually under construction, what we

379
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:38,400
 do is we get the tech stock to provide us a monthly report that tells us what they're

380
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 currently doing, right?

381
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 And because I don't trust them, I want them to know what they were doing last month so

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 that they're not still doing the same thing this month, and then what they're planning

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 to do next month.

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 And then we want to know what issues are impacting traffic, what are changes in traffic pattern,

385
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 because you all need to know that in advance so you can let your residents know if anything

386
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 impacting the project's completion.

387
00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:07,440
 And so I skip the narratives, and I go straight to those last items.

388
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:16,920
 And we're basically working -- we're about 29 days behind on this job, so we're looking

389
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 at trying to get this January 24 back into December of '23.

390
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:31,120
 And then if you'll look, Brandon Barnett is the tech stock project manager, so you don't

391
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 have to hunt me down.

392
00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:37,580
 If you got a question, they're trained, you can pick up the phone and call them and just

393
00:26:37,580 --> 00:26:43,120
 tell them who you are and ask the question, and they'll answer it.

394
00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:47,180
 >> We're going to get to it in a second, so I may -- you know, you may want to revisit

395
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 it when we get to the 288 bypass in about three slides.

396
00:26:53,640 --> 00:27:00,480
 But if we're finishing these curb cuts, median construction, sidewalks, how is the impact

397
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 of that project of the bridge over Mingo to 288 going to impact this brand-new finishing

398
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 development?

399
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,240
 >> Right.

400
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 >> Because they're in the same location.

401
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,400
 >> So what we're doing here is an interim improvement.

402
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:23,880
 So we're adding -- we went from four lanes with a flush median to six lanes with a raised

403
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 median, because the traffic on that project road section is high enough that where a flush

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 median is significantly more dangerous because of the volume of traffic.

405
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 So we have to do the grade separation -- I mean, the raised median, but we're adding

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 additional lane in each direction while we do that.

407
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 Further -- I don't know if we have that in the report, but further east of this project,

408
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 just past where 377 goes north, we're adding another fifth and sixth lane, but we're also

409
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 adding five grade separations at Navo, Till, Legacy, 720, and 423.

410
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 So 380 east of 377 starts to be coming a super street or just a junior highway, right?

411
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 There's still going to be some at-grade locations, but the majority of where the traffic impacts

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 380 will be grade separated.

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 The ultimate intent for 380 is a freeway all the way to 288, which will be six lanes, 500-foot

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 footprint and frontage roads, grade separations, so it'll be a bigger impact.

415
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:42,840
 We're already working -- the county is already working with TechStat on that, and we're primarily

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 focused with Crossroads and Little Lamb because their commercial retail is right on 380, and

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 when you widen from 150 feet to 500 feet, everything you see along that road is a historical

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 marker.

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 So we've got some time, and we're working with Crossroads to rebuild their commercial

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 hub somewhere off of 380, same thing with Little Lamb, move it off 380 so that when

421
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 we come through with a freeway and we take Walmart and we take all that stuff, they'll

422
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 already have a commercial hub up and running because it's about 20 years out.

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00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:28,520
 288 will be -- is actually acting as a freeway now by permit and agreement between Denton,

424
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,480
 Denton County, and TechStat, and it's been operating that way.

425
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,760
 That's why there's no development on that quadrant for the last 35 years.

426
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:41,480
 Well, we've gotten to a point now where 288, the city of Denton is growing so much that

427
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,120
 there's so much development that wants to hit 288.

428
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,800
 We have to get those frontage roads in because what you see out there are main lanes.

429
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,740
 They operate as main lanes, they're graded as main lanes, and they're posted at main

430
00:29:52,740 --> 00:29:53,740
 lanes.

431
00:29:53,740 --> 00:29:59,160
 So what we're doing on 288 is coming in and adding the frontage roads so that the development

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 can front the frontage and not impact the main lanes.

433
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,720
 So since we have 380 coming ultimately as a freeway, the intent is to get them out of

434
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 the core of Denton, get them to 35 as quickly as possible by 288 being a freeway.

435
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:20,800
 So we have to have a tie between 288 and 380 that's a freeway and not a signalized intersection

436
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,360
 like it is now.

437
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,320
 We can't do it anywhere near that location because of the design speed, we have to have

438
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 a more gentle curve and that's what you see on that next slide that we'll get to when

439
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:37,400
 we get to 288 is we're doing that tie in ultimately to 380.

440
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 But what we're doing now here is interim and it will all just be torn out from wherever

441
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 288 and 380 comes together east of there and then we'll figure out what we're going to

442
00:30:50,840 --> 00:31:00,280
 do from 288 back to the loop that would probably turn into a local street of some sort.

443
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,680
 Okay, I appreciate that, thank you.

444
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,120
 Yes, one more question.

445
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,040
 Thank you Madam Chair.

446
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,000
 I was thinking of a question that I had at the tech stop meeting, I probably should have

447
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:16,760
 asked him this, but in the city of Denton a couple of those businesses on the east side,

448
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:22,760
 on university on the east side of 288, I'm thinking of I guess those businesses to the

449
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:31,840
 north side of university across from the Quick Trip, are all those businesses going to be

450
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,840
 impacted or are they mostly out of the way?

451
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:40,720
 So I think Quick Trip, I went to that page, so I think Quick Trip is somewhere in this

452
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,480
 area, Quick Trip and this is Mayhill.

453
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,800
 So you've got your racetrack here and your Quick Trip is somewhere here.

454
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:54,400
 On this location back west, we're going to leave that road as we're building it now,

455
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:59,840
 just a six lane, it's an arterial now, it'll stay an arterial because we'll take the freeway

456
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:05,840
 traffic up and around and this will be the freeway designation.

457
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:12,120
 And so anything between, I can't remember the name of the road, but we can get you the

458
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:19,600
 schematic, anything where 288 and 380 diverge back west will stay as a normal arterial with

459
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 the normal access.

460
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,720
 Is that what you're asking?

461
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,520
 Not particularly asking for the businesses, but I'm asking for those few residents that

462
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 live just north of the Quick Trip on the other side of university in that little cut out

463
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,080
 neighborhood there.

464
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,600
 How much more impact those folks are going to incur?

465
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,040
 Well, they should reduce their impact because all of the through traffic is going to be

466
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,120
 behind them going up to 288.

467
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:48,280
 And all they'll have to deal with on that spur, for lack of a better word, is what we

468
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:53,520
 call O&D traffic, origination and destination, people that are going there for a reason,

469
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:54,520
 not to pass through it.

470
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:55,520
 It's going to make them happy.

471
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,000
 I know we've regularly received emails from those folks in that little cut out neighborhood

472
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,000
 right there.

473
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,160
 And once we get this established, the other thing you'll be able to do is you'll be able

474
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:11,760
 to, right now, you've got truck traffic that turns and goes up out of Denton proper, but

475
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:20,080
 we'll be able to give them a more free movement to 35 and then we'll go back to 288 west.

476
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:25,480
 That'll then give them another freeway down to 380 to keep going west.

477
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:33,920
 John, I just wanted to add that Council Member McGee, during the, recently there was a loop

478
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:39,160
 288 public hearing held at the high school where two different options were shown in

479
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,520
 this area with the connection between the loop and 380.

480
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:47,160
 And so they're collecting all the comments and all the feedback, and you can see right

481
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,560
 there the public meeting was held on the 27th.

482
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,360
 So they're working to collect all the comments and the feedback.

483
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:58,080
 Once they have a more aligned schematic route that shows what the impacts are and take into

484
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:03,440
 consideration all the feedback that's received, then they'll bring that to the city's attention.

485
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,800
 And John will be able to give you a more thorough review of every single property that would

486
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,000
 be impacted or not impacted along with the consultant who's working on this project.

487
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,680
 So at this point, as we've been mentioning, it's kind of a line on a map, a graphical

488
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:21,120
 representation, you know, but as they work through those designs, then they'll be able

489
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:26,720
 to show exactly what's impacted, what's not impacted, and, you know, some of those connections

490
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:31,360
 that John's talking about are near Cooper Creek Road, Giesling, some of those roadways

491
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,180
 to the east of that location, so there'll be more information.

492
00:34:35,180 --> 00:34:41,840
 It's just in a very schematic, working, beginning to work through environmental clearance, so

493
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:42,840
 maybe explain that, John.

494
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,480
 >> Yeah, two things real quick is you see where we're saying environmental clearance

495
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,000
 by July 2025.

496
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,880
 The closer we get to that day, the more specific we know what we're going to clear because

497
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:59,040
 you have to clear it and you have to tell the public what impacts that particular road

498
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,040
 has.

499
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:05,080
 By the summer of next year, this schematic will be approved, and that schematic will

500
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:09,040
 then go through the environmental clearance process, and we'll be able to tell you exactly

501
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:16,120
 the impacts, what properties are taken, what properties are near misses, et cetera.

502
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:22,040
 And if you want to know the information, I think you get these reports to you electronically,

503
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:28,440
 you should, and if you do get them electronically, any time you see a blue link in the report,

504
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,320
 if you'll touch that link when you get it electronically, it'll take you straight to

505
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:39,080
 TechStop's webpage and show you everything that they presented at the public meeting

506
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,160
 so you don't have to go look for it.

507
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,400
 Touch the link, it'll take you there.

508
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:51,560
 >> Yes, John, to follow up on that, this report is in the Friday report on the week of the

509
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:56,340
 Mobility Committee, so Megan, make sure that we don't miss that out and put it in there.

510
00:35:56,340 --> 00:36:00,480
 So you'll see it monthly, John's just going through the detailed information, but then

511
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,920
 you can use that as a resource, and we want to make sure all council has that further

512
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,280
 opportunity to use that.

513
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,280
 >> One last question, if I might.

514
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:11,280
 >> Okay.

515
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,440
 >> So we're going to need another bridge over the railroad, right?

516
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:21,760
 With the little spur, I guess not with the spur, with the new highway going up to our

517
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,280
 existing 288?

518
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,800
 >> If we impact the railroad, we are not going to be at grade, I can tell you that.

519
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:36,080
 I'm not sure exactly yet whether or not we are, but I don't think we are, because nobody's

520
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:42,040
 told us that there's a railroad issue yet, and we look for that first.

521
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:48,760
 >> So the railroad I believe you're referring to is on the south side of this connection,

522
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,960
 not on the north side of this connection, so if I'm thinking about it correctly based

523
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,800
 on some of the schematics I've seen, I don't believe there's an impact to the railroad.

524
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,120
 >> There's no railroad yet, we're not impacting any railroad.

525
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,960
 >> It's on the south side of Mingo Road, and the connection is on the north side of Mingo

526
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,380
 Road.

527
00:37:07,380 --> 00:37:12,960
 >> So maybe there's a bit of a discrepancy, I'm not probably not saying it correctly,

528
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:20,320
 so we've got the highway going from 380 East that's going to jump up to 288.

529
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:32,360
 There's a railroad there, because the railroad jumps on the north side of University just

530
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,360
 before 288.

531
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,000
 >> Yeah, the railroad crosses, but it's on the south side, it goes right by Denton Bible

532
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,440
 every Sunday.

533
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,240
 >> I'm talking on the other side, on the east side of 288.

534
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:43,640
 >> Yeah, but it's the same railroad.

535
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:48,200
 >> It's the same railroad, but there's going to have to be a bridge there, right?

536
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,640
 >> It's on the south of 380.

537
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,080
 >> On the east side of 288.

538
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:58,120
 >> Okay, I'll have to go look at a map, because there's no railroad we're impacting on our

539
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,120
 job.

540
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:04,880
 >> 100% you are, there's a railroad that comes up Mingo Parallels, Mingo only goes up to

541
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:05,880
 Fish Trap.

542
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:06,880
 >> May I go up to the screen?

543
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:07,880
 >> Yes.

544
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,880
 >> You can go up to the screen.

545
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:11,880
 >> You got a map?

546
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,600
 I mean, this is just a pictorial, a base map.

547
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:21,320
 >> So, there's a railroad that goes like this, right?

548
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:28,080
 On the east side of 288, it jumps to the north side, the north side of University, correct?

549
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,080
 >> Yes, correct.

550
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,080
 You are correct.

551
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:34,240
 >> Is there going to be a bridge right here, wherever we impact, a new bridge?

552
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:39,080
 >> If there is a railroad in that area, and we are putting a freeway in that area, there

553
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,680
 will be a great separation.

554
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:45,720
 >> So, that's not going to be on us, right?

555
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:46,720
 >> None of that is on you.

556
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:48,480
 >> None of this project is us.

557
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:49,480
 >> Okay.

558
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:54,160
 >> But John is correct, whatever the impact is, it will not be an at-grade crossing from

559
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:59,560
 what they're currently looking at, it would be a bridge that would go over the railroad.

560
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,120
 So, you're talking about the railroad that's running on the south side of Mingo, and then

561
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,560
 makes the curve and goes in.

562
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:05,560
 >> Yes, ma'am.

563
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:06,560
 >> Okay, I'm following you now.

564
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:11,440
 There's some residents up there and trailers and older homes, is that inside the city?

565
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,520
 The reason why I ask is because I was asking for those folks.

566
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,040
 It's kind of a rural area, and there are some trailers I was asking about.

567
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,560
 >> Are you asking about a spur of some sort on the railroad?

568
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,360
 >> No, I'm asking about the railroad, because if there's some residents up there and a bridge

569
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,160
 has to be constructed and that's inside the city of Denton, I was just curious what the

570
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,400
 impact is going to be for those folks, if we know this far in advance.

571
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,840
 We might not know, and I will accept I don't know yet.

572
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:40,200
 >> Yeah, so I think for those type of very specific questions, because it's just in a

573
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,640
 schematic phase at this point, and they're just looking at options, I don't know that

574
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,680
 they have that detailed of information complete at this time.

575
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:53,760
 What I would recommend is we bring that back when we get to future items, agenda items.

576
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,280
 You bring that up at that time, and you haven't done this before.

577
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,680
 So at the very end, when we go through the staff report, there'll be future agenda items.

578
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,680
 Why don't you bring that up, and at that time, then we'll be able to bring it back at the

579
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:10,520
 next meeting with more detailed information as to exactly >> It's okay, I don't know yet.

580
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:15,560
 >> I'm looking at an area, and where we're going, there's no train.

581
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:21,240
 I'm looking at it, it's right here, I mean they're >> We'll be able to bring >> It took

582
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:22,240
 us nine years.

583
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:26,680
 You know Fort Worth Drive, as you leave out south on 377 Fort Worth Drive?

584
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:27,680
 >> Yes, sir.

585
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,040
 >> That bridge took us nine years to get approval on.

586
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,720
 So if there's a railroad in my project, I'm aware of it.

587
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:40,320
 And I'm just saying, I'll go look, but there's not any impact to any bridge on what I see

588
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:41,320
 on my aerial.

589
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:42,320
 >> All right.

590
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,320
 Thank you, Madam Chair.

591
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:44,320
 >> So we'll figure it out.

592
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:45,320
 >> Yes, ma'am.

593
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:46,320
 Thank you all.

594
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:47,320
 >> Okay.

595
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:48,320
 Yes, sir.

596
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,320
 Let's do that, and then we'll be able to get that clarified.

597
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:50,320
 >> Thank you, ma'am.

598
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,160
 >> Absolutely.

599
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:58,000
 >> So this is where I, Bonnie Bray is part of, I'll go back up here.

600
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,820
 You see this, let me zoom.

601
00:41:00,820 --> 00:41:07,480
 We just call out as a separate item for your report because you have a Bonnie Bray project.

602
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,500
 But you see this segment right here where all this Bonnie Bray tie-in occurs on the

603
00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:15,920
 Luke 288?

604
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,960
 Where it ties into Luke 288, that project is included in 288.

605
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:34,560
 And so Westwood is environmentally clarifying that section as well, which is this report

606
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:35,560
 this section right here.

607
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:40,400
 We're just calling out as a separate item because you have Bonnie Bray in phases, and

608
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,560
 this is technically Bonnie Bray phase seven, segment seven.

609
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:51,380
 But we've included it, and it will be built by TechSight and COG, so it won't be paid

610
00:41:51,380 --> 00:41:56,280
 for by the city.

611
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,580
 And then 1515 is your airport road.

612
00:41:59,580 --> 00:42:00,580
 It's a six-lane.

613
00:42:00,580 --> 00:42:05,840
 We're going from a two-lane rural to a six-lane divided.

614
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,340
 And we're on track for a ready to let of June of 2025.

615
00:42:09,340 --> 00:42:14,760
 We had to do a little bit of changing because at the public meeting and public hearing,

616
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:21,360
 the people that made comments for some of these businesses were the local management.

617
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,940
 And when the corporate management heard what was going on, the corporate wanted to make

618
00:42:24,940 --> 00:42:28,000
 some changes, so we went in and decided it would be easier just to accommodate.

619
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,800
 So I had to back up a little bit on the schematic and do a re-eval.

620
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:33,800
 That's where you see the re-eval.

621
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:38,820
 So that kind of pushed everything out a little bit, but we're buying right away, and we should

622
00:42:38,820 --> 00:42:43,920
 be done this month.

623
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:52,040
 And it's a $34 million job, and we'll get it funded by the time we get it ready to let

624
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,240
 it.

625
00:42:53,240 --> 00:43:00,520
 1173, this is a realignment of FM 1173 based on the City of Denton's thoroughfare plan

626
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,380
 where we take out the Barthole Road.

627
00:43:03,380 --> 00:43:05,920
 We are in the process of getting it cleared.

628
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:11,000
 It was cleared August of 2021.

629
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,800
 The county's doing the engineering on it.

630
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:17,800
 Half Associates is our consultant from the county's level.

631
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:26,560
 And we've been told to focus on the RATO acquisition mapping from 35 back past the rural tract

632
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:33,840
 because TXOT wants to build that as part of that bigger 35 job to get the interchange

633
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,120
 all set and ready to go.

634
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:41,960
 So it doesn't have any funding allocated yet, but we're figuring about half a third of the

635
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:46,940
 road will be built with the 35 job so the cost will come down at some point.

636
00:43:46,940 --> 00:43:48,760
 And then we just got approval.

637
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,480
 We had kind of a miscommunication.

638
00:43:52,480 --> 00:44:02,400
 The City of Crum initially told us to go to 156, and then a new council came in and said

639
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,600
 they weren't so sure, stop at the railroad track.

640
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,640
 So we were going to stop at the railroad track and they said hold on, wait a minute, we may

641
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,560
 want to rethink it.

642
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:17,680
 So we just got a letter back from City of Crum saying go ahead and go to 156.

643
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:26,000
 All that made us tweak our schematic that we had approved in 2020, which delayed our

644
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,000
 environment a little bit.

645
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:33,720
 It's cleared now, and we are expecting to have right away completed in August, which

646
00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:38,480
 means then all we're doing is utility relocations, and we're going to focus on, again, the utilities

647
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:43,280
 on the east side of the job so we can build it with the 35 project.

648
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:48,860
 Can I ask a question on that?

649
00:44:48,860 --> 00:44:51,280
 Is that going to be like a boulevard?

650
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,040
 It's arterial, six lane divided.

651
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,040
 Six lanes.

652
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,040
 Okay.

653
00:44:55,040 --> 00:45:00,640
 There may be one where we do four lanes with a wide median, and then come back, but I think

654
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,840
 it already warrants six.

655
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,000
 And then the outer loop, I don't know how much detail you want to get into the outer

656
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,000
 loop.

657
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:16,000
 Can we hold off on the outer loop and go back to the loop 288?

658
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,000
 Did I miss that?

659
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,000
 I did, didn't I?

660
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,720
 Well, because we started talking about 380, and you went down there, so we wanted to meet

661
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:22,720
 that.

662
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:23,720
 Absolutely.

663
00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:24,720
 Okay, here we go.

664
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:25,720
 Okay.

665
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:32,160
 So loop 288, when I first started working on this job, I was single and handsome.

666
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,840
 Now I've got three kids out of college.

667
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:41,960
 We had to move it because of multiple reasons, but it's taken us a long time to get where

668
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:42,960
 we're at.

669
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:49,080
 Short version is the current schematic was approved in 2020.

670
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,560
 Shortly thereafter, we got it environmentally cleared.

671
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:56,040
 You'll see that we're talking about almost three and a half years for acquiring a right

672
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,040
 of way.

673
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,240
 Typically, it only takes about 12 months.

674
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:05,840
 The reason why it takes that long is because in the utility relocation, you'll see it's

675
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:11,760
 a lot longer than normal, usually about nine to 12 months, and it's 18 to 20, is because

676
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,300
 all those white dots you see are those gas wells.

677
00:46:16,300 --> 00:46:22,680
 And gas wells, when you deal with a gas well, it's both a utility and a right of way issue,

678
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,280
 right?

679
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:32,280
 So it complicates everything, and we're accommodating as best we can on this.

680
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,000
 It's $220 million for just frontage roads.

681
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,600
 This is going to be a freeway as well.

682
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:43,360
 So the right of way acquisition is beginning.

683
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:49,280
 They started about a year ago, and we are acquiring the right of way.

684
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:54,280
 We're acquiring the right of way for almost a 500 foot wide freeway, so it'll be main

685
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,720
 lanes, frontage roads, grade separations, but we're only going to build the frontage

686
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:06,640
 roads first because that's all that's warranted now, and that's $220 million all told.

687
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:11,500
 And we are expecting to be, because of the long run on right of way and the long run

688
00:47:11,500 --> 00:47:18,200
 on utilities, are ready to let's not until April of 2026.

689
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:19,200
 I see questions.

690
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:20,200
 >> Any questions?

691
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:21,200
 Yes.

692
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,200
 >> Thank you, Chair.

693
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:32,000
 My question is on the environmental clearance, and this is just to educate me, do we do CRM

694
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,680
 work when we do environmental clearance?

695
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:35,680
 Is that part of it?

696
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:42,320
 I know a lot of core and other state and federal projects have to do mandatory CRM or cultural

697
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,560
 resource management, archeology.

698
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,960
 >> Oh, absolutely, tragically.

699
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:53,440
 So I mean, we got our projects that'll stop if we hit anything that even once the project's

700
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:58,360
 environmentally cleared, if we discover something that had one that we had a dinosaur duck,

701
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,300
 we had to stop the project to go do that.

702
00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:09,260
 But if we've got it environmentally cleared, we've done cultural resources, we've got to

703
00:48:09,260 --> 00:48:13,440
 go through the Texas Historical Commission on, because out here we still have a thing

704
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:22,080
 called intact farms, and intact farms are huge in their impact because they're intact

705
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,160
 and they're typically large, so you can't avoid them.

706
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,840
 And so the mitigation is significant.

707
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:32,520
 So whenever we have an environmental issue, whether it be cultural resources, whether

708
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:39,840
 it be flora or fauna, the federal guideline says you have to avoid first, and then if

709
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:44,200
 you can't avoid, you have to justify why you can't avoid, and then if you can't avoid,

710
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,760
 then you have to mitigate.

711
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:53,080
 And if we don't do a mitigation plan on all of those impacts, all those criteria, then

712
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:54,080
 we don't get cleared.

713
00:48:54,080 --> 00:49:00,160
 And so a lot of times if we're going through a wetlands area and we're going to disturb,

714
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:05,460
 let's say 300 trees, we're required, state's required, whoever's doing the project's required

715
00:49:05,460 --> 00:49:11,960
 to replace those trees in a seven to one ratio, right?

716
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,800
 And then you're responsible for maintenance of those trees for a certain period of time.

717
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:24,640
 So if we can't avoid, we mitigate, and we do all of those things.

718
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,320
 Well, I'll tell you, the reason I asked was crossing over Hickory Creek right there.

719
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:32,040
 It's my understanding, and maybe I'm misremembering the maps, that there was some archaeological

720
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,720
 digs and we're punching right through right there.

721
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:41,880
 They were, yes, and there were some Native Indian stuff that we were dealing with, yes.

722
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:50,560
 So what, I don't know if, if it's already been significantly disturbed before we get

723
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:57,000
 there, then the mitigation is less than if it was pristine prairie area that we're going

724
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,000
 through.

725
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,840
 And most of this area that we're going through has already been significantly disturbed by

726
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,160
 previous developments.

727
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:04,160
 Okay.

728
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:05,160
 Thank you.

729
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:06,160
 Any other questions?

730
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,160
 Go ahead.

731
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:15,720
 Madam Chair, can you say more about gas wells being both utility and right-of-way, please?

732
00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:16,880
 Yes, sir.

733
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:25,080
 So they're not technically a utility as far as a franchise utility that the state recognizes,

734
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:29,980
 but the state also makes a lot of money off oil and gas, so they've got certain rights.

735
00:50:29,980 --> 00:50:37,400
 So when we go in to acquire the right-of-way that impacts that gas well, it also impacts

736
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,880
 their transmission lines, right?

737
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:46,120
 And so when we're buying X number of square feet, we also have to go ahead straight into

738
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:53,240
 utility relocation costs, negotiations, because in order for us to get that right-of-way and

739
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:58,860
 for them to calculate the value of the right-of-way, it's based on the amount of gas or oil that

740
00:50:58,860 --> 00:51:02,560
 goes through that transmission line, and so they have to do both at the same time.

741
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:07,960
 They have to calculate the value based on that particular transmission line, and then

742
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,000
 they've got to get that transmission line relocated out of the way.

743
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,800
 So it's a dual track.

744
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:19,800
 And one more, if I might, Madam Chair.

745
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,680
 As a new committee member, help me if I'm off base here.

746
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:29,220
 I haven't heard anything about other forms of transportation, like bike lanes or anything

747
00:51:29,220 --> 00:51:32,040
 like that.

748
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:36,760
 Would that have been in these plans, or what?

749
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:43,480
 So these are in varying stages that are in very preliminary, so depending on the phase

750
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:49,320
 or the stage, TxDOT is working with us, and that's part of our review on every single

751
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,480
 one of these projects.

752
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:59,040
 After November 2021, TxDOT made a modification to start including sidewalks, side paths,

753
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,240
 those types of things in their projects.

754
00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:05,920
 So when we get these projects for review at the different phases that they are, 30, 60,

755
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:12,720
 90 percent, specifically 60, because that's plans adequate is what we call it, that's

756
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:14,840
 when we'll definitely take a deeper dive.

757
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:19,660
 But we're reviewing those things and their understanding, and we've submitted to them

758
00:52:19,660 --> 00:52:26,760
 not only our mobility plan, which includes the TheraFair, the bike, and the pedestrian,

759
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:31,280
 different maps and different components, the multimodal components of the mobility plan,

760
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:32,800
 we're having those conversations.

761
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:39,040
 So they're very aware that we are a multimodal community, and anything we're doing from here

762
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:45,040
 on out is our expectation, and part of the collaboration that we're doing is to make

763
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:49,160
 sure that we have access for side paths, et cetera.

764
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:56,400
 I would tell you that specifically like this project you're looking at, I would anticipate

765
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:02,000
 there being more of a side path, because then it could be used for bicycle and ped, versus

766
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:07,800
 a dedicated bike lane on a roadway that's going to have probably a high speed, and a

767
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,040
 five foot sidewalk.

768
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:15,080
 So those are all things that we're working through when we receive the designs, but we're

769
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:20,280
 very vocal, and John can tell you we're always asking to make sure that they're multimodal

770
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:21,600
 in alignment.

771
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:26,640
 So to add just a little bit more clarity to that, what you're seeing on this report is

772
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:35,040
 your mobility report related to roadway infrastructure that's primarily state driven.

773
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:41,720
 You'll see other things come through the committee that are bike and ped specific to y'all's

774
00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:46,240
 overall plan, so you'll see those as individual items.

775
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:51,540
 But on my report, my responsibility is to get these projects delivered in a timely manner

776
00:53:51,540 --> 00:53:55,400
 without you having to spend much money, and those are the big infrastructure.

777
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,240
 But Becky is right.

778
00:53:57,240 --> 00:54:04,080
 The federal government and the state build these roads now for all modes of transportation.

779
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:09,920
 So when we did 35 across, 35A across Lake Louisville, you'll notice that we put pedestrian

780
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,720
 facilities on both sides.

781
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:16,240
 It's required, but it's also good policy.

782
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:21,920
 So everything you see the state doing has some accommodation, whether it's 10 foot,

783
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,040
 five foot lanes, six foot lanes, whatever.

784
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,000
 They match it to the desires of the local community.

785
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:36,080
 So like on the 288 job, out to the green belt, City of Denton went and got a grant from COG

786
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:41,540
 for a 10 foot shared use path, and TxDOT put it in the job and is building it with the

787
00:54:41,540 --> 00:54:42,540
 project.

788
00:54:42,540 --> 00:54:50,720
 So all those types of modalities are included, regulatorily, but also good policy.

789
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:53,720
 Thank you very much.

790
00:54:53,720 --> 00:55:06,440
 Yes, you got it.

791
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,640
 Outer loop.

792
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:16,920
 This is a controlled access facility that encumbers Denton County, Collin County, Rockwell

793
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:24,240
 County, Kaufman County, Ellis County, Johnson County, Tarrant County, and back up around

794
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:25,840
 to Denton County.

795
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,480
 So I don't know how many counties that was, seven, I think.

796
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,760
 And it's the, that's why they call it the outer loop.

797
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:38,400
 In our particular area, Collin County is already built because they're just building a road

798
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:39,820
 and they're calling it the outer loop.

799
00:55:39,820 --> 00:55:43,280
 So they're setting the stake in the ground.

800
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:50,400
 Recently we opened up, I don't know if you can see it in this map, but we recently opened

801
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:57,120
 up the southbound frontage road to the Dallas North Toll Road, D&T, all the way to Tioga.

802
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:58,920
 So it's there now.

803
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:04,500
 And there is a location on the D&T that says outer loop in Collin County.

804
00:56:04,500 --> 00:56:08,560
 That location is where we have to roughly start from an environmental clearance standpoint

805
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,580
 because you have to have logical termini for the feds.

806
00:56:12,580 --> 00:56:16,440
 So we generally know we're going to start on the east, which is where Collin County

807
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,760
 leads it off.

808
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:25,840
 We have to cross the green belt at 428 based upon what the Corps of Engineers told us.

809
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:35,200
 And if we go anywhere off of that, it's literally an act of Congress to get across it because

810
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:41,400
 that is a conservatory, conservatorship, and it was, it was done in Congress.

811
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:47,380
 So in order to cross anywhere other than existing crossings, you have to go change Congress's

812
00:56:47,380 --> 00:56:48,380
 law.

813
00:56:48,380 --> 00:56:49,620
 So we're not going to do that.

814
00:56:49,620 --> 00:56:50,620
 It's a bridge too far.

815
00:56:50,620 --> 00:56:57,040
 So we got to cross at 428.

816
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:03,240
 So the city of Denton's thoroughfare says that it roughly needs to come in a mile and

817
00:57:03,240 --> 00:57:04,240
 road.

818
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:10,880
 And so in the 35 job that I first showed you early on, in that 35 north project, it includes

819
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:18,720
 a box, a great, I mean a box, a great separated box where the outer loop will tie into 35.

820
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,360
 Now technically that's where the outer loop stops.

821
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:32,880
 And then 35 will be a dual designation to 35W, to 287, down to NS, and then 287 to 45.

822
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:38,720
 And then 45 up to Kauffman is, will be SH34, which will be the outer loop.

823
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:43,280
 And then it comes north through Rockwall, and it comes up through Collin County, you

824
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:48,720
 know, over there by Farmersville, kicks across and comes back over to us.

825
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:54,320
 So we are doing what's called an environmental impact statement, or EIS.

826
00:57:54,320 --> 00:58:00,300
 So it's the highest level of environmental clearance that the feds require.

827
00:58:00,300 --> 00:58:05,920
 And we're spending about $30 million, county is, to do environmental clear of this project.

828
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:10,000
 And we're anticipating being done by the summer of 26.

829
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,840
 Once it's cleared, we can protect the corridor from future development.

830
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,540
 Until then, we can't.

831
00:58:15,540 --> 00:58:22,840
 So we're meeting regularly with all the stakeholders, cities, developers, Corps of Engineers, and

832
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:29,600
 making sure that if we see any impacts to our proposed three alternatives that we think

833
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:34,080
 we're going to carry through the process, that we try to mitigate that before it becomes

834
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,320
 too big of a problem.

835
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:38,320
 I think you had a question?

836
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:39,320
 We have a question.

837
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:47,280
 Can you just explain one of those last statements you made, protect the corridor from future

838
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:48,280
 development?

839
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:54,680
 So right now, if you had Jody Doak's developer want to go out on one of our proposed alignments

840
00:58:54,680 --> 00:59:01,120
 and put 300 homes in a zone for residential, and they get an approved plat and all that

841
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:05,720
 stuff, they can go build 300 homes on one of our alignments.

842
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:11,400
 And now we either got to move 100 homes, which is an environmental disaster, or we got to

843
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,840
 go around it.

844
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:18,480
 But once it's environmentally cleared, the federal law says the jurisdictions that cleared

845
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,840
 it can now say you cannot build anything within that 500 feet.

846
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:28,080
 So the developer and the cities and the counties all have to honor that alignment, because

847
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,400
 the feds say that's the alignment for the road.

848
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,000
 But prior to the environmental clearance, it's up for grabs.

849
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,480
 Anybody can do whatever they want.

850
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,520
 And you said that clearance should be done next year?

851
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:41,520
 Summer of '26.

852
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,360
 And you're going, what the heck, that's a long time away.

853
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:45,600
 Right.

854
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:50,040
 But I could get it done faster if I could violate your property rights, not include

855
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,920
 you in the process, and not care about the environment.

856
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:57,360
 But if I got to do all those three things, we got a lot of check boxes to check, and

857
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,320
 it takes a long time to do it.

858
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,800
 We can not care about the environment to do environmental clearance?

859
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:04,800
 Right.

860
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:05,800
 All right.

861
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:06,800
 That's what they used to do.

862
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:07,800
 Oh.

863
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:08,800
 Okay.

864
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,800
 That's how Lake Dallas became Lake Louisville, was in the middle of the night.

865
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:17,440
 In February of '20 and '44, they just blew up the bridge after they built the other one.

866
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,720
 People woke up next morning and they had lakefront property.

867
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:20,720
 Interesting.

868
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,520
 Those were good old days.

869
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:31,140
 Do you have a question, or do you look like you have a burning question?

870
01:00:31,140 --> 01:00:38,400
 I have a longstanding, he won't be able to solve it quandary, and that is just exactly

871
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:45,040
 what we're talking about, that the development pressures along the Sherman 428 corridor are

872
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:50,400
 really intense right now, not just with your projects on 428 and the outer loop, but everything

873
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:51,400
 else.

874
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:52,400
 Right.

875
01:00:52,400 --> 01:01:01,760
 And those alignments are contentious and cantankerous sometimes.

876
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:08,840
 My problem is, we know it's coming through because Ray Roberts exists and Louisville

877
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:09,840
 exists.

878
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:10,840
 Right.

879
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:19,200
 So I know the precise alignment isn't there, but the problem I have for all elements, not

880
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:24,920
 just your office, the city offices, the state offices, whatever, planning and development

881
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:33,040
 or development services, I should say, is there still ongoing developmental pressure

882
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:42,280
 to go through that is tying your hands and then forcing impacts up and down the drainage

883
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:53,400
 from Clear Creek over to 35, I guess where I'm meandering to the comment of it feels

884
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:59,640
 like there should be a way of tapping the brakes so that the pieces can gel nicely,

885
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:06,160
 as opposed to I'm going to get my 1300 homes in as fast as possible so that then I force

886
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:07,800
 the brakes to go around me.

887
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:15,280
 So the problem with that is that especially in the state of Texas, this particular state

888
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:20,240
 has a strong property rights mantra.

889
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:26,200
 And so not only is it difficult, but back in the day when we tried to do the trans Texas

890
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:30,560
 corridors, right, where we're going to do the big mondo roads without any access because

891
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:37,240
 we just needed to move goods and services, the legislature said hell no.

892
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:43,800
 And they gave Texas residents what's called the Texas property bill of rights.

893
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:49,000
 So not only do they not have to listen to you, but they got the legislature and the

894
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:50,600
 governor's backing to do it.

895
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:58,480
 So the feds don't allow you to use a right of way as a determining factor for the environmental

896
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,600
 clearance, which you wouldn't want them to do that because then you could just go out

897
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:07,400
 and buy a piece of property and say that's the road, right, and then if it's environmentally

898
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:12,960
 insensitive, you've already bought the road so who cares.

899
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:20,680
 So it's an imperfect process, but it allows everybody to have their rights relatively

900
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:22,360
 protected.

901
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:28,080
 And as long as you have people that are willing to lean into the shovel sooner than later,

902
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,200
 we always get where we need to go.

903
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,600
 Well, I appreciate that.

904
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:39,000
 I mean, it was more of a frustrated comment than a question because it feels like we should

905
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:43,600
 be doing this smarter and not dropping neighborhoods where we know highways are going to go.

906
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,440
 We should have been doing it 10 years ago, but you couldn't get anybody.

907
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:52,040
 Look, COVID woke a lot of people up because pre-COVID, you had the rack stack and pack

908
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:57,360
 mentality to put everybody in Dallas and Fort Worth, down in Dallas County, and the way

909
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:01,200
 you keep that from spreading out is choking the perimeter counties.

910
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:02,800
 That's what the NPOs were doing.

911
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,880
 They were choking the perimeters, pushing you to the middle.

912
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:13,600
 COVID reversed that trend and everybody dispersed, and now we are literally behind the curve

913
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,720
 on all this infrastructure because people are moving to these counties.

914
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:24,400
 Denton County just surpassed one million a couple months ago, and so we're behind.

915
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:29,360
 And we could do what Collin County did and go out and buy the land to where we think

916
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:34,880
 the road can go, and then environmentally clear it, and we may or may not hit the mark,

917
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:35,880
 right?

918
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:39,920
 But that would take all these people's rights out of the conversation because we already

919
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,880
 own the land, which is kind of what Collin County does.

920
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:44,880
 But they're going to have to build that road on their own.

921
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,760
 This is a billion and a half, maybe $2 billion road.

922
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:52,200
 County shouldn't have to build that because it's a regional outer loop.

923
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:58,120
 So we're going to clear it so we can protect it from those development pressures, and we

924
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:04,260
 have entities in the corridor that are assisting the county in protecting the corridor that

925
01:05:04,260 --> 01:05:12,820
 have money that if they see an area that potentially can develop that won't listen, they do listen

926
01:05:12,820 --> 01:05:13,820
 to money.

927
01:05:13,820 --> 01:05:18,480
 And so we can do a land banking.

928
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:22,880
 I appreciate that clarity.

929
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:29,280
 To Mayor Pro Tem's point, there might not be an answer to this question, but what prevents

930
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:34,720
 since our friends in the development community also know the timeline for this loop, what

931
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:40,640
 prevents them from trying to hurry up and get shovels in the ground and forcing this

932
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:45,800
 project to change and cost the regional partners more money?

933
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:51,280
 So when we get -- we stay very close to all of our stakeholders along the corridor the

934
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:52,280
 county does.

935
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,840
 And so the county is just paying the 30 million bucks.

936
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,160
 Our client for the county level is tech stock.

937
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:00,440
 We are doing this for the state.

938
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,280
 They just don't have the money or the time, so we're doing it.

939
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:11,080
 Our stakeholders are all the communities along that corridor, right, be they municipal or

940
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:16,520
 granularly residential, we have MAPOs, or meeting with effective property owners, because

941
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:21,920
 the county is doing it, we'll meet with Jody Doak's farm if they want to talk about it.

942
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,460
 So we will get in there and go in and talk to them.

943
01:06:24,460 --> 01:06:30,640
 So the way we protect the corridor is we communicate to the developers that are moving what our

944
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:37,840
 timeline is, what our intents are, and that if they are looking to make -- generate revenue

945
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:43,920
 and they're not just a residential developer, right, the value of that corridor is going

946
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:49,920
 to be significantly higher as a freeway than it will be as a residential community.

947
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:53,840
 So a lot of the times we try to -- we educate them on the value, because you look at the

948
01:06:53,840 --> 01:07:01,800
 $5 billion, $8 billion mile in Frisco, right, on the toll road, when I first started this

949
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:06,240
 business in June of '96, I met with George Porfoy, he was the city manager, and Frisco

950
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:11,480
 was at 5,500 people, right, now they've got billions of dollars of assets because they

951
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:12,480
 got the infrastructure.

952
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,240
 That's the same thing that's going to happen on the island.

953
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:15,240
 >> Okay.

954
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,120
 So it is to their advantage to wait.

955
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:21,080
 >> It's to their advantage to wait, and we're not talking about waiting too long, because

956
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:26,440
 once we're cleared in summer of '26, if they have land that we need and they need revenue,

957
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,480
 we can buy the land at that point.

958
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:29,480
 >> Okay.

959
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:30,480
 >> Legally.

960
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:31,480
 >> Thank you for that.

961
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:32,480
 I appreciate that explanation.

962
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,440
 It makes sense.

963
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,080
 So we've had multiple stakeholders' meetings.

964
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:43,280
 Anything you want to find out about the Outer Loop, again, there's a hot link there.

965
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:52,060
 And we are looking right now to set up a meeting with the City of Denton, TxDOT, and the county

966
01:07:52,060 --> 01:07:54,080
 to talk about the tie-in of Milam Road.

967
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:58,680
 There's some issues that are coming up there that we need to make sure that we are all

968
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:05,120
 swinging on the same side of the plate, but we are constantly communicating to our stakeholders

969
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:10,640
 on that project.

970
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:13,560
 And here's where I stop talking.

971
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,600
 >> All righty.

972
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:17,600
 Thank you, John.

973
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:18,600
 >> Thank you.

974
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:26,500
 >> So Elman Locust currently, as you can tell from the report, they plan on having plans

975
01:08:26,500 --> 01:08:28,320
 completed by the end of the year.

976
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:33,340
 So this is the portion south of the courthouse where all of the water and wastewater infrastructure

977
01:08:33,340 --> 01:08:36,520
 and drainage infrastructure has already been completed.

978
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:41,720
 And so their anticipation is to have those plans completed by the end of the year.

979
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:47,880
 And they're planning to start a reconstruction of that roadway in the summer of 2024.

980
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:54,800
 So that will be Elm and Locust from Hickory South, and it will also include Eagle.

981
01:08:54,800 --> 01:09:03,000
 On the portions that are north of the courthouse, you'll be seeing a upcoming ICA with the county

982
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:08,960
 to receive the additional funding come through council here in the next month or so.

983
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:12,240
 And that'll be at one of your upcoming council meetings.

984
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:16,760
 Trevor has that project moving forward through design.

985
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:21,880
 And we will be anticipating to start, of course, it has quite a bit of right-of-way acquisition

986
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,680
 that needs to be completed.

987
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:28,120
 And then we are looking and anticipating to start construction around the summer of 2024,

988
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:30,040
 fall of 2024 also.

989
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:34,260
 So lots of coordination going on with this entire corridor.

990
01:09:34,260 --> 01:09:38,640
 The county's been very helpful with helping us with additional funding that was needed

991
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:42,160
 for Elm and Locust north of the courthouse.

992
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:48,480
 The overall roadway network, not including Eagle, but Elm and Locust from Eagle to US

993
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:49,480
 380.

994
01:09:49,480 --> 01:09:54,160
 I currently have a draft resolution that we're reviewing that Text-On has sent our way.

995
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:57,000
 And it's going through the process at Austin.

996
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:02,420
 And then it'll eventually go to the Transportation Commission once all of those things happen.

997
01:10:02,420 --> 01:10:07,040
 So there's a three-step process, one, to get the resolution adopted by council.

998
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:10,640
 So you'll see that come through once we're all finalized with that.

999
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:15,200
 They have to map it, is what it's called, which basically means it's currently an on-system

1000
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:16,200
 roadway.

1001
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:18,220
 They will be taking it and turning it over to the city.

1002
01:10:18,220 --> 01:10:20,560
 So that's through a mapping process.

1003
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:24,280
 And then also getting Austin's approval to submit it to the commission.

1004
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:25,880
 And then the commission will approve.

1005
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,320
 So we're in those steps, walking through with that.

1006
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:34,240
 We met with Text-On last week on it and looking forward to getting this all completed.

1007
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:39,880
 And the reason you want to take it off system after they fix it is because there's things

1008
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:45,240
 you want to do down in Locust that the state won't let you do as a state facility.

1009
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:51,360
 So it gives you flexibility once you take possession of it.

1010
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:54,320
 One other little thing is you'll see the interlocal come through from the county.

1011
01:10:54,320 --> 01:11:02,880
 The county only provides the funding for whatever the foreseeable expenditures are.

1012
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:07,000
 That way they limit how much they have to issue each time they issue.

1013
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:13,520
 So if you get an interlocal that says the county's in for a penny, but we only give

1014
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,560
 you -- or any for a pound, but only give you a penny, we're only paying for that first

1015
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:17,560
 iteration.

1016
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:22,720
 But the interlocal will be amendable so that all you have to do next time is just amend

1017
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:27,240
 the dollar amount as opposed to the total description of the project.

1018
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,280
 I get that question sometimes.

1019
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:30,280
 >> Thank you, John.

1020
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:34,320
 >> I have a really basic question.

1021
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:36,120
 >> Sure.

1022
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:45,840
 When this project is moving north and it's going through downtown, through the courthouse,

1023
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:55,640
 I'm sorry, is it going to tear up all the roads just right around the courthouse at

1024
01:11:55,640 --> 01:12:03,720
 the same time or are we taking one side and working on the other side or is there not

1025
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:04,720
 going to be anything?

1026
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:09,440
 >> I'm going to take the privilege of letting Beck answer that.

1027
01:12:09,440 --> 01:12:10,440
 >> Thanks, John.

1028
01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:14,160
 So all of those things will happen through construction phasing.

1029
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:19,040
 Trevor and his team will work through as they're working on the design, getting it from 90

1030
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:25,240
 to 100%, putting that in the specifications, talking about if there is specific construction

1031
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:31,080
 phasing, then we will also receive a schedule from the contractor as to the way that they

1032
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:34,120
 feel like they can do the project most expeditiously.

1033
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:38,960
 But if there's anything particular that has to be done, for example, sometimes this waterline

1034
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:42,960
 has to be done before this waterline can be done, those are the types of things we list

1035
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:46,560
 in a set of specifications that go along with the plans.

1036
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:51,880
 For the courthouse and around the courthouse specifically, we're meeting internally as

1037
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:56,640
 we go through those design considerations with our water and wastewater departments,

1038
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:01,600
 looking at alternate ways to take some of those facilities off, and I'm saying the direct

1039
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:06,880
 corridor, so every single roadway that's on the perimeter of the courthouse, how can we

1040
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:12,680
 service the facilities and then the courthouse itself with taking some of that infrastructure

1041
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:18,400
 off and so to the roadways to the east and west of it, be Austin or Cedar.

1042
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:22,000
 And so we're currently having those conversations as a part of design.

1043
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:26,040
 The phasing of the project specifically will be something that we work through as we work

1044
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:27,040
 to complete that.

1045
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,880
 So we don't have that level of detailed information yet.

1046
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:35,480
 We're working through right-of-way acquisition, getting this ICA completed to get the funding

1047
01:13:35,480 --> 01:13:40,120
 from the county that we need, and then working through those steps, but that'll be information

1048
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:45,800
 that Trevor definitely can bring back as we work through the final design.

1049
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:49,640
 And it'll be next year before we're really ready to have some of those conversations

1050
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:54,360
 being that we're not gonna go to construction anticipated till late summer or early fall

1051
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:57,680
 as our anticipation ending all right-of-way acquisition.

1052
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:06,080
 And the right-of-way acquisition you're talking about is north from the courthouse on both

1053
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:07,200
 Locust and Elm?

1054
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:08,200
 Yes, sir.

1055
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:14,160
 There will be right-of-way acquisition north of the courthouse on Elm and Locust and some

1056
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:19,960
 of the properties in between those two that may be front Elm and Locust, so some of those

1057
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:21,600
 properties in between.

1058
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:24,520
 There's massive drainage improvements that need to be done in that area.

1059
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,000
 Which bridges both, for example?

1060
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:33,360
 A little bit south of DISD, there's some drainage improvements that need to be completed more

1061
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:41,420
 north of the greenhouse area, can't remember the exact roadway cross-section, but Congress

1062
01:14:41,420 --> 01:14:43,980
 and north of that area.

1063
01:14:43,980 --> 01:14:47,720
 So those will be conversations that we have to have as we work to complete that drainage

1064
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:53,760
 design for all of the box structures that need to be reconstructed in that area.

1065
01:14:53,760 --> 01:15:01,780
 This is an educational question, if we take it up, if it was taken off the books, does

1066
01:15:01,780 --> 01:15:06,000
 it lose its 377 designation or it just keeps it up?

1067
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:07,000
 Yes.

1068
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:12,760
 So 377 will be rerouted and there'll be dual designations.

1069
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:17,720
 I think they're going to do 35 and up and around, and we also have, there was one other

1070
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:18,720
 one that...

1071
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:19,720
 It's 77.

1072
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:20,720
 77.

1073
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:28,160
 So I was going to, because I know maybe Councilmember McGee, you don't necessarily, maybe have not

1074
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:32,240
 heard all these things before, I want to make sure that I shared this information.

1075
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:37,520
 So Dallas Drive is 77, and I know you've seen this in some of our presentations.

1076
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:45,200
 And then Eagle Drive is turned into 77, 377 before you go south on Carroll.

1077
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:51,920
 Next thought's goal with us taking on the roadway network from Eagle to 380 and making

1078
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:56,800
 that become a city roadway, and I'll explain that in a minute why we're pushing for that,

1079
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:01,800
 but it's to keep Dallas Drive, Eagle, and 77, all what they call on system, which means

1080
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:06,820
 that's a roadway network that they'll continue to have the number designation and then the

1081
01:16:06,820 --> 01:16:10,120
 responsibility of the maintenance and operation.

1082
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:15,680
 And then the Elm and Locust from 380 to Eagle is very important to the city because the

1083
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:20,160
 majority of our infrastructure, water and wastewater infrastructure, and then of course

1084
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:25,120
 the drainage conveyance is actually located underneath the roadway, which is very different

1085
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:30,560
 from the projects we've been talking about earlier today, such as 35, where we actually

1086
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:34,120
 acquire an easement to put our facilities in specifically.

1087
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:38,480
 So anytime that we stay within a right of way that is textile, we have to have specific

1088
01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:44,500
 permission ultimately because it's their roadway, they own it, and we're putting our facilities

1089
01:16:44,500 --> 01:16:45,500
 underneath it.

1090
01:16:45,500 --> 01:16:46,500
 This has a long history.

1091
01:16:46,500 --> 01:16:51,520
 None of us really understand the reasons why it was done this way and don't have all of

1092
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:52,520
 that information.

1093
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:57,120
 It's just very important as we work through this, but one of the things I will tell you

1094
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:01,080
 with the resolution is we will not be decreasing capacity.

1095
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:07,320
 Part of the opportunity for us to take this roadway over is that we cannot decrease capacity,

1096
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:09,180
 which means the number of lanes.

1097
01:17:09,180 --> 01:17:14,040
 We may look at additional ways to stripe this corridor to be able to provide for bicycle

1098
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:20,300
 lanes, but the number of lanes will not decrease throughout the corridor.

1099
01:17:20,300 --> 01:17:21,920
 And I can give you a little bit of history.

1100
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:26,960
 What happened back in the day, and we're talking in the '20s, when the state started really

1101
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:32,480
 getting into a state system of farm to market roads and all that stuff, that they typically

1102
01:17:32,480 --> 01:17:38,240
 absorbed local streets that were already roadways that were already there, and then converted

1103
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:39,240
 them to state facilities.

1104
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:43,440
 And that was the case for the roads that ran in and around the courthouse.

1105
01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:49,680
 They were county roads that were absorbed into the state system, and part of that absorption

1106
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:55,400
 gave them grandfathering of certain issues like utilities under the pavement.

1107
01:17:55,400 --> 01:18:00,800
 And now text that's going, every time we get our surface done, you have to come in and

1108
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:04,640
 fix a utility and ruin our surface, so we just want you to take the road.

1109
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:09,480
 And the city goes, we'll take it, but it's a sub-structure needs to be fixed, and that's

1110
01:18:09,480 --> 01:18:11,000
 what we've been working on.

1111
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:12,000
 Right.

1112
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:17,160
 So part of us taking it over and them reconstructing the south portion was very detailed and months

1113
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:21,880
 of conversation to make sure they're reconstructing the roadway network to something that we can

1114
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:25,800
 be comfortable with that actually meets our specifications and criteria.

1115
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:26,800
 We didn't want to take something--

1116
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:30,840
 It literally will take longer for us to get that agreement than it will to build a road

1117
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:32,520
 once it starts.

1118
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:35,080
 Thanks John.

1119
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:39,920
 So and John, real quick, before you finish up, I just wanted to share the reason why

1120
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:45,920
 we have John come and make this presentation is kind of for multiple reasons, and I want

1121
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:47,680
 to explain kind of the interactions.

1122
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:52,320
 So this on-system report that you're seeing today is something that he produces for a

1123
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:59,160
 meeting that Trevor, myself, John, folks from TxDOT, local area office, and also the Dallas

1124
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:03,200
 district, there's multiple parties that are involved in those conversations and other

1125
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:07,840
 departments throughout the city of Denton, Denton Municipal Electric, et cetera.

1126
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:12,040
 It's very important that he's sharing this level of information so you can understand

1127
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:14,520
 the roadway improvements that are being made.

1128
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:20,160
 But these are all, for the most part, well they are all our TxDOT roadways, but for the

1129
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:24,920
 most part, they're roadways that are going to impact our community.

1130
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:30,440
 So from the city perspective, it's very important that we share this information because one,

1131
01:19:30,440 --> 01:19:34,120
 we're always looking at utilities we have to relocate because anytime they come through

1132
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:39,400
 and widen a roadway, we're having to move to a new location for the most part.

1133
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:45,000
 Number two, we have a lot of these green-filled areas or areas of which are not developed

1134
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:50,120
 or we have constant development communities that are coming in, to your point, on Outer

1135
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:53,920
 Loop or 428, area plans, et cetera.

1136
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:59,360
 So from a development perspective, we actually have maps that we share with the design firms

1137
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:03,000
 that are doing these different projects to be able to show them, hey, we've had this

1138
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:07,960
 development come in, they're showing us something in this area, beware, get on the phone with

1139
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:08,960
 them.

1140
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:13,360
 We're not making contact with them, but we're bridging that gap to say, TxDOT or the county

1141
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:17,840
 has a project, hey, you're coming into the city, there's a roadway that's going to be

1142
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:18,840
 in that area.

1143
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:23,400
 So we're bridging that gap and building that relationship between those folks so that they

1144
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:24,720
 can understand.

1145
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:28,720
 And then ultimately, all of these roadways are the major corridors that our residents

1146
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:33,040
 use to get from point A to point B. So we want to make sure that we can educate and

1147
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:35,960
 be fully educated on exactly what's happening with them.

1148
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:39,320
 So there's a lot of things that happen.

1149
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:42,520
 We're not responsible for constructing any of these roadways.

1150
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:48,080
 We're simply responsible for the utility improvements or relocations that need to be made.

1151
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:52,860
 And we're responsible for the communication with the development, and then keeping a close

1152
01:20:52,860 --> 01:20:57,520
 eye on making sure that they're meeting our mobility plan and the desires of the comprehensive

1153
01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:01,720
 plan, parks, trails, master plan, those documents that are for the city.

1154
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:03,520
 So I wanted to kind of bridge that gap.

1155
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:04,520
 That's very similar.

1156
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:09,240
 Dune County is not responsible for any of these roads that are on these reports that

1157
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:13,800
 you see, but almost all of them are being funded by the county through the advanced

1158
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:15,080
 planning process.

1159
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:18,680
 And we're carrying the water from a county standpoint because we want to control our

1160
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:19,680
 own destiny.

1161
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:24,560
 And by controlling your own destiny, you get access to funds sooner than other.

1162
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:30,440
 So if you're in other counties, most counties aren't involved in state roads or foreign

1163
01:21:30,440 --> 01:21:31,440
 to markets.

1164
01:21:31,440 --> 01:21:34,280
 They just do the county roads and they move on.

1165
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:40,320
 But Dune County knows that the infrastructure the state has is the backbone that moves stuff

1166
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:41,320
 around.

1167
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:45,240
 And so in the early 90s, the county decided they were going to get into the game and they've

1168
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:47,200
 stayed in it from day one.

1169
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:51,720
 And then their stakeholder partners are always the cities.

1170
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:57,360
 In varying levels, I will mention that, you know, John can tell you that I was, I came

1171
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:59,600
 to him and said, I need your help.

1172
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:00,760
 I need the county's help.

1173
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:06,120
 I need text dot's help, loop 288 from 380 to 35 on the northern portion they just had

1174
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:07,760
 the public hearing on.

1175
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:12,080
 At the time, we had eight developers that wanted to come in and develop and connect

1176
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:13,080
 to that roadway.

1177
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:15,080
 And it's a controlled access freeway.

1178
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:19,520
 So we could not have a direct connect because obviously somebody going 60 miles per hour

1179
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:23,200
 can't slow down fast enough to make a right hand turn without getting rear ended.

1180
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:24,760
 It's a complete safety issue.

1181
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:27,660
 And we don't allow direct connects to controlled access freeways.

1182
01:22:27,660 --> 01:22:30,760
 And the corridor had been preserved for 40 plus years.

1183
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:34,600
 And so I went to John and I said, John, I need your assistance because what we're having

1184
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:40,520
 to tell developers right now is the only way that we can make this happen is to have them

1185
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:45,280
 build the frontage roads in order for them to have a frontage road connection to their

1186
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:50,360
 driveway or whatever their purposes for their building, housing, whatever that then would

1187
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:52,140
 connect to the loop.

1188
01:22:52,140 --> 01:22:56,720
 And so that's the reason why John and the county understood this was an improvement

1189
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:57,720
 that needed to be made.

1190
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:02,240
 They worked with the state and are starting to evaluate through the schematic phase and

1191
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:07,080
 environmental clearance to build the frontage roads for that loop so that it also entices

1192
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:11,000
 and assists with the development community being able to have something they could connect

1193
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,640
 to which is a frontage road versus the controlled access freeway.

1194
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:19,520
 So those are the types of things that are happening in various stages with all the different

1195
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:21,720
 projects that are on this report.

1196
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:27,440
 Thank you, Madam Chair, this is just a general knowledge question.

1197
01:23:27,440 --> 01:23:35,720
 So at the beginning of the presentation, I heard you say that the major roads if we have

1198
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:40,320
 to move utilities is 100% reimbursable, correct?

1199
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:45,560
 And it's the, like the Texas roads, US highway, US?

1200
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:50,560
 On interstate highways, the federal government pays 100% reimbursement whether you're in

1201
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:54,600
 a utility or not, the federal government does.

1202
01:23:54,600 --> 01:24:00,440
 But if you're anything below that, US highway, state highway, foreign to markets, the state

1203
01:24:00,440 --> 01:24:06,320
 will reimburse you and relocate you and compensate you for that relocation if you're in your

1204
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:11,640
 own easements, which means you have property rights and the state has to move you just

1205
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:15,260
 like they would a residential house, they'll compensate you for it.

1206
01:24:15,260 --> 01:24:21,240
 But if you're in their right away, right, in their accommodation zone, then they won't

1207
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:26,120
 pay you to move because they're saying we need to evict you from our property and use

1208
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:27,120
 it ourselves.

1209
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:31,640
 And it's at your cost to move out of our apartment.

1210
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:37,800
 So for example, along 35 will be 100% reimbursed for that, correct?

1211
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:38,800
 Correct.

1212
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:43,480
 The only time that we would pay for something, Council Member McGee, is if we decided instead

1213
01:24:43,480 --> 01:24:48,560
 of a 16-inch water line, we wanted it to be a 20-inch water line, which is considered

1214
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:52,720
 a betterment, the city would be responsible for the difference in the size of the line.

1215
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:53,720
 Okay.

1216
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:54,720
 Betterment is not included.

1217
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:55,720
 That's it.

1218
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:56,720
 All right.

1219
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:57,720
 Black for light.

1220
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:01,920
 I guess I'm gonna assume you probably don't know if we're going to be doing that, but

1221
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:05,160
 that's probably Stephen, but...

1222
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:09,940
 Actually we're delivering those projects for Stephen and Trevor, that's his responsibility,

1223
01:25:09,940 --> 01:25:11,520
 so he can give you that information.

1224
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:15,240
 Okay, and you can just give me a short answer, I'm just curious if we are going to be increasing

1225
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:16,240
 capacity along...

1226
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:20,920
 Yeah, we are in some cases, you've seen a couple of those I-35 projects come before

1227
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:23,440
 y'all that are 100% reimbursable.

1228
01:25:23,440 --> 01:25:27,100
 There are, and I can get you the information, but there are some pieces in some of those

1229
01:25:27,100 --> 01:25:32,480
 properties where we were doing betterments, and so we were covering that cost, and then

1230
01:25:32,480 --> 01:25:34,720
 of course, Texas Eye does the reimbursable part.

1231
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:39,200
 So we are looking at that, we're working with the stakeholders to determine if there are

1232
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:42,440
 betterments that need to take place while we're doing that construction, and then making

1233
01:25:42,440 --> 01:25:44,520
 sure that happens during the construction.

1234
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:45,520
 Okay.

1235
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:46,520
 Yep.

1236
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:51,080
 Thank you for knowing exactly where I was going, I appreciate that.

1237
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:53,560
 She's always doing that to me too.

1238
01:25:53,560 --> 01:26:05,640
 But you know, as I was talking to constituents and feeling the complaints about so much construction

1239
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:10,120
 going on and it's happening in the southern part of the city, it's always something going

1240
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:16,480
 on in the southern part, and you know, and it's a good thing to know that the lines are

1241
01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:22,600
 being larger because everything's on the north side, it's coming up, and to be prepared for

1242
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:23,600
 all of that.

1243
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:24,600
 They're going to get what they ask for.

1244
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:25,600
 Yeah.

1245
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:26,600
 They're definitely going to do that.

1246
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:27,600
 We're going to tear everything up up there too.

1247
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:29,600
 Yeah, so that's good.

1248
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:30,600
 Is there anything else?

1249
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:36,840
 I was just going to real quick, this is a glossary of terms, transportation has its own language,

1250
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:39,600
 so we use a lot of acronyms.

1251
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:45,680
 We put those acronyms in this glossary, and we're always adding to it, so if I say something

1252
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:51,800
 you don't understand, ask me about it, and it'll eventually make it to the glossary.

1253
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:55,440
 And then you heard me talking about categories of funding.

1254
01:26:55,440 --> 01:27:01,960
 The state of Texas, when they get the federal government money, it comes in and they put

1255
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:03,160
 it in these categories.

1256
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:08,520
 The primary categories that you're going to hear us talk about on my stuff is your category

1257
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:18,720
 two, metro urban area projects, and what you're going to hear that called is federal dollars,

1258
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:23,520
 Cat 2 federal dollars locally controlled, so your metropolitan planning organization

1259
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:28,400
 controls the selection of projects for category two.

1260
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:32,440
 When the county contributes money to a project, city contributes money to a project, it goes

1261
01:27:32,440 --> 01:27:38,680
 into category three, which is basically, they should just say that local funds, right?

1262
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:44,280
 Category four, statewide connectivity, category four means that 35 is eligible for category

1263
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:50,520
 four, 380 is eligible for category four, but Luke 288 is not, because it doesn't leave

1264
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:58,180
 the region, 635 wouldn't be eligible, because it doesn't leave the region, but 30, 20, 287,

1265
01:27:58,180 --> 01:28:05,360
 any of these roads that leave the region heading to another region, that's your statewide connectivity

1266
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:07,120
 and is eligible.

1267
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:12,240
 And then because we're in non-attainment, we also get a category five, which is called

1268
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:20,040
 congestion mitigation air quality funds, and you can do bicycle lanes, pedestrian facilities,

1269
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:23,760
 safety improvements, intersection improvements, signalization, the only thing you can't use

1270
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:26,920
 category five for is to add capacity to the road, right?

1271
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:33,480
 So you can't add a lane, you can, there are time to signals, you can put a sidewalk, something

1272
01:28:33,480 --> 01:28:38,160
 like that, but it has to be that type, not capacity.

1273
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:43,600
 And then you go to category seven, this is sometimes, this is an old designation, but

1274
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:49,680
 they still keep it in the state's name as Metro Mobility, but it used to be called surface

1275
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:54,800
 transportation Metro Mobility, and there was a metro, an urban, and a rural mobility.

1276
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:59,400
 The feds got away with all of that and just said surface transportation block grants.

1277
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:04,640
 So category seven, sometimes you'll hear it called STBG, because that's the federal designation,

1278
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:10,360
 but those are dollars that are also selected by your MPO, category two, five, and seven

1279
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:14,080
 are selected by COG down in Arlington.

1280
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:20,360
 And then category 11 is your district engineer's discretionary account.

1281
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:27,680
 So the district engineer gets a certain amount of money to do things at our discretion.

1282
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:31,640
 Category 12, they call it strategic priority, but you're going to hear it called commission

1283
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:39,640
 discretion, and it means that the five members of the commission pick the project.

1284
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:48,920
 And 2014, there was $3 billion in category 12 strategic priority commission discretion.

1285
01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:52,880
 In this current UTP, there's 20 billion.

1286
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:58,640
 And so the governor and the commission are getting into the politics of picking winners

1287
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:05,600
 and losers, and so they're taking, of that 100 billion I was talking about, 20 of it

1288
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:16,260
 is selected by the governor and the chairman of the commission, so 20% is covered by that.

1289
01:30:16,260 --> 01:30:20,080
 So there's a conversation we always have to have about category 12, but those categories

1290
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:26,400
 matter and that's why we give you the list of those categories so you can know what they

1291
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:27,400
 are.

1292
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:29,560
 And that's now I'm done.

1293
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:36,080
 All right, you have one more question.

1294
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:45,800
 When more of these projects come to us, is there a way that you can put in the report

1295
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:51,720
 that the, I understand it's going to say like a certain amount of money is reimbursable,

1296
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:56,160
 but the extra money is being spent for betterment, just so we know the difference.

1297
01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:58,120
 I don't think I've ever seen that before.

1298
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:00,080
 Yeah, that's not an issue.

1299
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:01,400
 I mean, we definitely can do that.

1300
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:02,400
 Like you know what I mean?

1301
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:07,120
 I understand you say it's reimbursable, but I didn't pick up on that we're doing this

1302
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:09,260
 for betterment, like improvements.

1303
01:31:09,260 --> 01:31:10,260
 For sure.

1304
01:31:10,260 --> 01:31:12,120
 No, I think that's easy to fix.

1305
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:13,120
 Okay.

1306
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:14,120
 Absolutely.

1307
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:18,640
 Hey, can just, are roundabouts covered in category five?

1308
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:20,240
 Don't answer that question.

1309
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:21,240
 I'm done.

1310
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:22,240
 Roundabouts.

1311
01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:31,680
 Textile is actually moving towards roundabouts at the last, I'm not, I'm not a big advocate

1312
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:35,640
 for broad use, but there are specific uses where it can, and y'all have done them some

1313
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:37,120
 good places.

1314
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:42,800
 But at the short course, you had the deputy, two deputy executive directors doing a Q and

1315
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:47,400
 a where they'd hold up their answers to see how well they think alike.

1316
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:57,000
 And the question was, what is the most underutilized traffic device that you think the state ought

1317
01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:58,480
 to look further into?

1318
01:31:58,480 --> 01:32:01,560
 And they both held up traffic circles.

1319
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:04,000
 So there may be a paradigm shift.

1320
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:08,040
 Now you're going to have a hard time fighting the council governments because they're, they're

1321
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:17,200
 not a big fan and they control the categories that the state doesn't control cog controls.

1322
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:21,560
 But hey, don't ruin yourself, right?

1323
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:25,560
 30 years, 30, 40 years, who knows.

1324
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:26,560
 Thank you so much.

1325
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:33,280
 We appreciate your, appreciate you every time.

1326
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:35,000
 Every time.

1327
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:40,000
 Every time.

1328
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:51,880
 Okay, we're going to move on to DMC two three dash zero three one.

1329
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:52,880
 Alrighty.

1330
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:56,680
 Thank you very much chair.

1331
01:32:56,680 --> 01:33:01,920
 So today I have a couple of different updates on the staff memorandum to bring forward to

1332
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:02,920
 you.

1333
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:08,160
 The first question that was asked as a part of our agenda last month was to give an update

1334
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:13,040
 on Oakland street towards a locus street.

1335
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:16,000
 So I just will go through this a little bit.

1336
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:22,600
 Oakland street from withers to locus was approved as a part of the 2019 bond program.

1337
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:27,640
 There is currently a need for enhanced drainage infrastructure in this area due to the inadequate

1338
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:28,640
 capacity.

1339
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:31,920
 I know you've all seen that in previous presentations.

1340
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:37,960
 We have developed the project to include that as a part of the upcoming 2023 bond election

1341
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:41,080
 that would address those drainage concerns.

1342
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:47,280
 Once those drainage infrastructure is completed, if the bond so passes, then we would be able

1343
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:51,000
 to complete that roadway in that area.

1344
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:57,640
 And we would begin design in 2024, being that the election, if it so passes as in November

1345
01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:00,520
 of 2023.

1346
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:05,840
 The next item that was brought forward was Spencer road between loop 288 and Mayhill.

1347
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:11,040
 We had our development services transportation planning team put together an exhibit.

1348
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:16,600
 I'm going to walk through this kind of step by step and then I'll show you the graphic.

1349
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:21,600
 So Spencer road currently on our mobility plan is considered a secondary arterial, which

1350
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:28,080
 is 110 feet of right away, four lanes of travel, and we have a large development in that area,

1351
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:33,760
 which is Elon gray star, and they're located on the south side of Spencer, pretty close

1352
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:36,040
 to Mayhill.

1353
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:42,120
 So they have several different phased improvements, and she mentions approximately 460 feet east

1354
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:47,480
 of the intersection of Spencer in the loop to approximately 500 feet west of Spencer

1355
01:34:47,480 --> 01:34:48,480
 and Mayhill.

1356
01:34:48,480 --> 01:34:55,920
 And they have those four phases, as I mentioned, each phase is related to Spencer road.

1357
01:34:55,920 --> 01:35:02,120
 And there is a traffic impact analysis that describes which improvements need to be made

1358
01:35:02,120 --> 01:35:03,880
 based on each phase.

1359
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:06,600
 So I'll start with phase two a.

1360
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:10,840
 That's currently under construction, and they are responsible for pavement widening and

1361
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:15,480
 construction of an eastbound right turn lane at North star road.

1362
01:35:15,480 --> 01:35:20,960
 And I'll go to the exhibit in just one minute so we can go through those phase to be received

1363
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:25,440
 a notice to proceed for construction in February of 2023.

1364
01:35:25,440 --> 01:35:30,980
 And it's responsible for pavement widening and restriping to a three lanes section east

1365
01:35:30,980 --> 01:35:35,800
 of North star along the property frontage of phase one, which is that existing multifamily

1366
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:41,560
 which is the furthest east connection, phase three is still in the development review process

1367
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:45,360
 and has not received that notice to proceed.

1368
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:49,420
 This will include pavement reconstruction of existing asphalt and restriping a three

1369
01:35:49,420 --> 01:35:51,640
 lane section west of North star road.

1370
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:55,320
 I'm going to of course that will be pending all of the development review comments going

1371
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:57,120
 through that process.

1372
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:03,560
 Phase four has not yet entered the development review process but also will not impact Spencer

1373
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:05,720
 road directly.

1374
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:10,340
 And then there's a retail phase which has not entered the development review process,

1375
01:36:10,340 --> 01:36:14,800
 but will be responsible for pavement reconstruction and widening and restriping of the three lane

1376
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:16,360
 section.

1377
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:21,520
 I do want to mention that all of these improvements are being made by the development due to their

1378
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:26,400
 traffic impact analysis or requirements as a part of their overall development.

1379
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:30,620
 We currently do not have a capital improvement project to make any modifications to Spencer

1380
01:36:30,620 --> 01:36:34,780
 road between the loop and Mayhill.

1381
01:36:34,780 --> 01:36:41,640
 And also, as I mentioned, it is shown on our mobility plan as a secondary arterial.

1382
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:49,320
 So I'm going to zoom in a little bit if I can and kind of start specifically.

1383
01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:56,680
 So this is the loop 288, so this phase retail shows that Spencer road is existing and the

1384
01:36:56,680 --> 01:37:00,920
 asphalt pavement would be replaced and widened to restripe and that's when that phase comes

1385
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:03,600
 through the development process.

1386
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:09,960
 And then as we move east, phase three, Spencer road is existing asphalt pavement, it will

1387
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:12,680
 have to be replaced and restriped.

1388
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:20,640
 Two A is requiring this eastbound right turn lane to be constructed.

1389
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:28,120
 Two B is requiring an eastbound lane of pavement and restriping for transition.

1390
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:30,340
 And then you can of course see Mayhill road.

1391
01:37:30,340 --> 01:37:36,520
 So all of these improvements in this area will be made directly as a result of that

1392
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:45,040
 Elon gray star development.

1393
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:48,720
 I had this question and I wouldn't ask it because I said they probably already know

1394
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:52,120
 the answer to this, but I'm going to ask it anyway.

1395
01:37:52,120 --> 01:37:58,920
 Why would phase three and phase retail not be together?

1396
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:04,280
 It just depends on the way that the developer chooses to develop, we don't make those determinations

1397
01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:08,240
 as far as what they feel like is necessary or not necessary.

1398
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:13,680
 As they come through the development process, although phase three may make sense to actually

1399
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:19,160
 construct it as a part of the retail as a part of phase three, just because you're already

1400
01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:22,120
 out there and it's a very short stretch, I guess that's where you're going.

1401
01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:25,360
 Less burden on people traversing the area.

1402
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:26,360
 Sure.

1403
01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:29,860
 Those determinations are made through the development review process because we're not

1404
01:38:29,860 --> 01:38:34,920
 aware of when they actually will begin the construction of the retail and what triggers

1405
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:36,920
 the reconstruction is the retail.

1406
01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:41,000
 So each one of these phases are going through with the set of plans that are approved by

1407
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:42,920
 the development review process.

1408
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:49,320
 So if they were to submit retail and it get approved through the development review process

1409
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:53,760
 in a similar timeframe as phase three, of course, I assume that they would make those

1410
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:58,720
 construction in a very similar timeframe, but currently that's not the case.

1411
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:01,280
 They've separated them into sections.

1412
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:02,280
 Okay.

1413
01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:03,280
 That's the requirements.

1414
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:05,080
 I didn't know if we had required them to do it or they did that on their own.

1415
01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:06,080
 So I appreciate the clarification.

1416
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:07,080
 Yes, sir.

1417
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:08,080
 That's all them.

1418
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:11,840
 It could be money or something, maybe.

1419
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:14,160
 I don't have the answer for that.

1420
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:17,160
 All righty, so we'll move on.

1421
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:19,280
 Trevor, would you like to do Westgate Windsor?

1422
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:20,280
 Sure.

1423
01:39:20,280 --> 01:39:21,280
 All righty.

1424
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:32,800
 All right, so the Westgate Windsor project is planned to widen Westgate Drive from Windsor

1425
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:34,720
 Drive to Bronco Way.

1426
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:38,880
 This includes installation of drainage as well as pedestrian facilities.

1427
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:42,780
 We'll also widen Windsor to complete a consistent street width.

1428
01:39:42,780 --> 01:39:46,200
 And then, so we're currently working towards 60%.

1429
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:52,760
 We have the 30% schematics and the design firm is working to get those to the 60%.

1430
01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:57,040
 Bonnebrae Phase 6 will widen Bonnebrae from 380 to 77.

1431
01:39:57,040 --> 01:40:01,280
 This includes utilities, drainage, pedestrian improvements, traffic lights.

1432
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:05,920
 The project is in the final stage of design and textile approval and is tentatively scheduled

1433
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:09,700
 for bidding award in quarter four of this year with construction starting early quarter

1434
01:40:09,700 --> 01:40:12,800
 one of next year.

1435
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:16,280
 Fire Station 5, of course, was included in the 2023 bond election.

1436
01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:19,360
 So it's going to citizen vote in November.

1437
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:23,780
 And then we'll be working with the fire department and once the project is approved, we'll work

1438
01:40:23,780 --> 01:40:28,080
 into the design phase and determining how we want to bid those out.

1439
01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:32,960
 We've talked about maybe packaging those together, Fire Station 5 and 6, and moving forward with

1440
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:33,960
 one CMAR.

1441
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:38,440
 But we'll have those conversations once it's approved by council, I mean by the voters.

1442
01:40:38,440 --> 01:40:43,640
 Any questions on Westgate, Windsor, Drive?

1443
01:40:43,640 --> 01:40:45,000
 Looking good.

1444
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:46,560
 All right.

1445
01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:47,560
 Thanks.

1446
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:50,160
 Thank you, Trevor.

1447
01:40:50,160 --> 01:40:51,160
 All righty.

1448
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:53,920
 So the next question that came up was downtown parking.

1449
01:40:53,920 --> 01:41:02,200
 So we included a very long ISR that was from 2018, November of 2018, which was an overview

1450
01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:03,980
 of the project history.

1451
01:41:03,980 --> 01:41:08,340
 So question came up about the back end parking along Hickory Street.

1452
01:41:08,340 --> 01:41:11,320
 It was a part of the overall Grand Street capital project.

1453
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:14,260
 It spanned from the A train to Locust.

1454
01:41:14,260 --> 01:41:16,440
 It included new pavement improvement.

1455
01:41:16,440 --> 01:41:23,880
 There was sidewalk widening, implementation of the ADA ramps, landscaping, parking configuration,

1456
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:28,120
 pedestrian lighting, power supply included for future growth.

1457
01:41:28,120 --> 01:41:32,120
 And there was also, and we don't say it here, but I know because I designed it, water and

1458
01:41:32,120 --> 01:41:38,400
 wastewater improvements along that entire corridor that were reconstructed during this

1459
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:39,400
 project.

1460
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:44,880
 So wanted to be able to share with you the information on the downtown parking and really

1461
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:46,720
 kind of that overall project history.

1462
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:50,040
 There were several studies that were conducted.

1463
01:41:50,040 --> 01:41:52,660
 Obviously it's one way to design a roadway.

1464
01:41:52,660 --> 01:41:58,520
 We see lots of folks that don't adhere to the back end parking in this area.

1465
01:41:58,520 --> 01:42:00,840
 But definitely just an update.

1466
01:42:00,840 --> 01:42:04,680
 So I'd encourage you to read the ISR, see if there's any, if you haven't already, see

1467
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:08,000
 if there's any additional information or questions that you have.

1468
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:11,720
 But that was a particular capital project back in 2018.

1469
01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:15,920
 We have a question.

1470
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:22,180
 In the backup, that just seemed like it was the old 2018 ISR, there was no, no 2023 information

1471
01:42:22,180 --> 01:42:23,180
 in there.

1472
01:42:23,180 --> 01:42:24,180
 Is that correct?

1473
01:42:24,180 --> 01:42:25,180
 That's correct.

1474
01:42:25,180 --> 01:42:26,360
 We don't have any updated information.

1475
01:42:26,360 --> 01:42:29,840
 I mean, it's facilitating and functioning as designed.

1476
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:34,920
 We make striping or improvements to sidewalk maintenance.

1477
01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:37,360
 It's more on a maintenance operations standpoint at this time.

1478
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:41,440
 So there's not really anything additional to add unless you have a particular question.

1479
01:42:41,440 --> 01:42:43,200
 We're happy to look into our research.

1480
01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:48,840
 But the project being just that it was designed and constructed in 2018, it's very new.

1481
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:51,160
 And so it's still is functioning as designed.

1482
01:42:51,160 --> 01:42:52,160
 Okay.

1483
01:42:52,160 --> 01:42:53,160
 Thank you.

1484
01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:54,160
 Yes, sir.

1485
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:59,320
 I have a question about that.

1486
01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:04,640
 Are there, is there any kind of data being kept up with whether or not people are actually

1487
01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:11,760
 conforming or we just eyeballing it and seeing that there are more people that are not conforming

1488
01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:15,280
 to that back in, backing in project?

1489
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:18,160
 Are we even concerned about it?

1490
01:43:18,160 --> 01:43:22,960
 Is there a reason, what, what are we, what are we thinking?

1491
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:28,600
 As far as the back end parking, definitely it is a trained behavior to make sure that

1492
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:32,600
 folks understand what the purpose of the back end parking is.

1493
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:36,500
 That when someone is trying to come in and back in, obviously they live enough space

1494
01:43:36,500 --> 01:43:40,360
 so that you can actually make the maneuver to get back in.

1495
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:43,640
 As you've driven that quarter, you've seen folks are getting right close up to the car

1496
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:45,000
 behind them.

1497
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:47,340
 And they're like, you need to back up so I can back in.

1498
01:43:47,340 --> 01:43:51,640
 And so, you know, that happens to I'm sure to all of us.

1499
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:55,820
 We're currently not collecting any data or keeping any information on that.

1500
01:43:55,820 --> 01:43:59,900
 It obviously turns into an enforcement issue and it's something that our PD is not currently

1501
01:43:59,900 --> 01:44:04,580
 enforcing to the level of ticketing, et cetera, in that area.

1502
01:44:04,580 --> 01:44:08,120
 If that's something that we would, you would like for us to look into, we can definitely

1503
01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:11,120
 have that conversation with PD.

1504
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:16,000
 But in the magnitude of importance for the things that the police department is working

1505
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:18,840
 on that's just not super high on the priority list.

1506
01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:19,840
 Okay.

1507
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:20,840
 Okay.

1508
01:44:20,840 --> 01:44:21,840
 Thank you.

1509
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:22,840
 Yes, ma'am.

1510
01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:28,760
 So to wrap up on that, do we have any or this might be a thing for the future matrix.

1511
01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:30,800
 So sure, you can point that out if we need it.

1512
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:36,920
 But do we have accident statistics from 2018 to 2023 so that we can do the comparator and

1513
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:41,160
 say, hey, this is this is the goal.

1514
01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:50,560
 And are we achieving a reduction in, you know, public safety events by having this or not?

1515
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:55,480
 And if it's, you know, yes, then yay, keep on keeping on.

1516
01:44:55,480 --> 01:45:02,880
 And if it's no or indeterminate, then that at least opens up the I actually like the

1517
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:03,880
 back end parking.

1518
01:45:03,880 --> 01:45:05,760
 So I'm just going to preface it that way.

1519
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:09,400
 But we need everybody else I know hates it.

1520
01:45:09,400 --> 01:45:12,680
 But the you know, you like it.

1521
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:17,880
 But my question is more, is it achieving the goal and do we have data on that from public

1522
01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:22,440
 safety or engineering or development services or whoever would have that data?

1523
01:45:22,440 --> 01:45:26,840
 So that's definitely data that we can get our hands on.

1524
01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:30,280
 Happy to add that to a future agenda item.

1525
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:35,520
 And we work with PD very closely to find out that type of information.

1526
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:39,960
 And so we could pull records for that cross section of roadway from address to address

1527
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:43,600
 and see what types of accidents and then we could bring that back to you next month and

1528
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:44,600
 report on that.

1529
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:45,600
 Appreciate that.

1530
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:46,600
 Thank you.

1531
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:47,600
 Absolutely.

1532
01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:48,600
 We have new new residents.

1533
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:49,600
 You know, they come through, they don't understand process.

1534
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:50,600
 You have any other questions?

1535
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:51,600
 Okay.

1536
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:52,600
 All right.

1537
01:45:52,600 --> 01:45:53,600
 All righty.

1538
01:45:53,600 --> 01:46:05,520
 So then the last item before we get to the future agenda items was the citywide and downtown

1539
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:06,760
 parking study.

1540
01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:11,380
 So there's lots of conversations and questions that come in constantly about parking throughout

1541
01:46:11,380 --> 01:46:12,380
 the city.

1542
01:46:12,380 --> 01:46:16,080
 No parking signs, you know, they run the gamut.

1543
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:22,200
 So we're in the process of updating the downtown master plan and identifying, I'm sorry, in

1544
01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:27,440
 the process of updating the downtown master plan, it identified, of course, the critical

1545
01:46:27,440 --> 01:46:29,760
 component of the parking.

1546
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:33,880
 So there's a request for proposal that was completed and you've seen that come through

1547
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:36,280
 for the downtown parking.

1548
01:46:36,280 --> 01:46:42,480
 It'll help provide insight to traffic patterns, number of parking spaces, times of day people

1549
01:46:42,480 --> 01:46:47,680
 are using demographic of the users and how it's being utilized.

1550
01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:53,800
 It's also going to assess the need for those additional and alternative parking facilities.

1551
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:57,840
 And then we're also working through a citywide parking study, which is going to be completed

1552
01:46:57,840 --> 01:47:02,960
 in conjunction with that downtown parking study, but we'll be making overall recommendations

1553
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:08,080
 regarding current parking policies, enforcement practices, planning, engineering, standing,

1554
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:09,820
 loading zones.

1555
01:47:09,820 --> 01:47:14,380
 That downtown parking study was kicked off on the 15th and the citywide speed study is

1556
01:47:14,380 --> 01:47:18,920
 currently going through the process with the solicitation review committee.

1557
01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:24,640
 The proposal is so that we can get that out on the street and receive proposals on that

1558
01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:25,880
 citywide parking study.

1559
01:47:25,880 --> 01:47:28,080
 So we're currently in the process.

1560
01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:33,160
 Of course, that will come through council once we receive all of the proposals and do

1561
01:47:33,160 --> 01:47:40,280
 that overall evaluation of the proposal to select a company to move forward with, affirm.

1562
01:47:40,280 --> 01:47:45,040
 That's always very exciting to hear about parking.

1563
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:47,000
 Yes.

1564
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:52,280
 So I appreciate that we've broken it down into phases with the downtown and the citywide

1565
01:47:52,280 --> 01:47:57,400
 and I really applaud that because that phasing allows us to get some preliminary results

1566
01:47:57,400 --> 01:48:01,720
 in our commercial core.

1567
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:07,400
 Do we have an ETA for, and the reason I asked this question is it sounded like from the

1568
01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:14,040
 narrative and the backup that we were doing them in conjunction and coming up with recommendations

1569
01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:20,800
 in conjunction, and that means that we're waiting sort of on the citywide or it implies

1570
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:25,320
 to me we're waiting on the citywide before we make recommendations and I'd be interested

1571
01:48:25,320 --> 01:48:32,280
 in hearing preliminary recommendations from the phase one downtown parking plan as early

1572
01:48:32,280 --> 01:48:36,760
 as possible because I think that's going to influence if we see early success stories

1573
01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:42,560
 or early modalities that, okay, this is clearly, we've got to pilot this now.

1574
01:48:42,560 --> 01:48:50,320
 I would be really interested in not moving downstream time wise, but trying that pilot

1575
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:51,320
 early.

1576
01:48:51,320 --> 01:48:52,320
 Sure.

1577
01:48:52,320 --> 01:48:56,760
 Let me explain what in conjunction means in my terminology or what I would think would

1578
01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:57,960
 help with the conversation.

1579
01:48:57,960 --> 01:49:00,920
 So the downtown parking study is not slowing down.

1580
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:05,120
 It's already had the kickoff meeting and they're already working through the process.

1581
01:49:05,120 --> 01:49:10,560
 What we mean by in conjunction is whatever information results, questions that are asked,

1582
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:14,760
 data that's collected that might be useful in using for the citywide.

1583
01:49:14,760 --> 01:49:18,560
 This is just one subset of what needs to be done citywide, right?

1584
01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:20,520
 The downtown is just one subset.

1585
01:49:20,520 --> 01:49:24,640
 We have universities, we have lots of areas where parking comes up.

1586
01:49:24,640 --> 01:49:27,720
 Residential streets, residential streets close to universities.

1587
01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:29,800
 We have a number of items we're going to be covering.

1588
01:49:29,800 --> 01:49:33,440
 No parking, loading zones, et cetera, through the overall parking study.

1589
01:49:33,440 --> 01:49:39,520
 So if you think about the big picture is the citywide parking study in totality, the downtown

1590
01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:43,880
 is just one subset where we're looking to see what type of information we receive and

1591
01:49:43,880 --> 01:49:48,400
 are there some best practices or some things that need to happen that can then be facilitated

1592
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:50,480
 through the overall citywide speed study.

1593
01:49:50,480 --> 01:49:52,440
 So that's what in conjunction means.

1594
01:49:52,440 --> 01:49:56,640
 Downtown is not necessarily slowing down to make sure because we're probably six months

1595
01:49:56,640 --> 01:50:01,400
 out and getting that contract and citywide speed study just through the procurement process

1596
01:50:01,400 --> 01:50:03,200
 with the proposals, et cetera.

1597
01:50:03,200 --> 01:50:04,200
 All right.

1598
01:50:04,200 --> 01:50:07,680
 No, I'm very interested in getting things off the ground.

1599
01:50:07,680 --> 01:50:10,480
 So yeah, thank you.

1600
01:50:10,480 --> 01:50:11,480
 Absolutely.

1601
01:50:11,480 --> 01:50:12,480
 All righty.

1602
01:50:12,480 --> 01:50:16,720
 So then the last thing that we'll move to is future agenda items.

1603
01:50:16,720 --> 01:50:21,140
 So you can see for item number one, we brought you back the update.

1604
01:50:21,140 --> 01:50:26,920
 So we're requesting to remove the Oakland Street towards Locust Street.

1605
01:50:26,920 --> 01:50:30,560
 Item number two, Spencer Road between loop 280 Mayhill.

1606
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:32,640
 We brought that back to you.

1607
01:50:32,640 --> 01:50:37,520
 West Gate Windsor, Bonnyberry Fire Station, Trevor reported on that.

1608
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:41,080
 Downtown back-end parking and citywide parking study.

1609
01:50:41,080 --> 01:50:47,640
 I think on downtown parking, instead of removing that, I'm gonna leave that on there if that's

1610
01:50:47,640 --> 01:50:52,040
 good with you to make sure we can bring back those accidents and any data or anything we're

1611
01:50:52,040 --> 01:50:55,000
 learning since it's been in operation.

1612
01:50:55,000 --> 01:51:01,960
 And so we will leave that on there to bring that data back to you and report on.

1613
01:51:01,960 --> 01:51:07,200
 Mingo Roodell, we're asking to remove that because we just gave you a council update

1614
01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:09,320
 on Mingo and Roodell and that's a part of the bond.

1615
01:51:09,320 --> 01:51:12,500
 So we felt like we'd addressed it through that.

1616
01:51:12,500 --> 01:51:18,800
 So all of those except for, let's see, a number, well, our numbers are off.

1617
01:51:18,800 --> 01:51:20,200
 We'll have to fix that.

1618
01:51:20,200 --> 01:51:26,880
 All of those except for downtown back-end parking, we're requesting to remove as a future

1619
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:27,880
 agenda item.

1620
01:51:27,880 --> 01:51:31,040
 Are there any concerns with those?

1621
01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:33,760
 - The first one, two, three, four.

1622
01:51:33,760 --> 01:51:38,880
 - So we're removing Oakland Street, Spencer Road, West Gate Windsor, citywide and downtown

1623
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:41,080
 parking study, and then the bond.

1624
01:51:41,080 --> 01:51:47,520
 I think on the citywide and downtown parking study, we might wanna leave that also on there

1625
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:53,480
 or at least Megan can help us make sure that that's on a future meeting when there's something

1626
01:51:53,480 --> 01:51:57,640
 that is important to report with the information that you receive on the downtown.

1627
01:51:57,640 --> 01:52:02,700
 But I think it's apparent that we could remove it now just when there's data that can be

1628
01:52:02,700 --> 01:52:06,360
 shared on the downtown to share that with you, if that's good with you.

1629
01:52:06,360 --> 01:52:07,920
 - I think that's great.

1630
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:08,920
 - Okay.

1631
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:14,600
 And then mapping for sidewalk, bicycle, corridor, we're currently in the process of GIS mapping

1632
01:52:14,600 --> 01:52:15,600
 all of that.

1633
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:20,240
 So when we're ready to share that and we're definitely gonna bring that back, Trevor gave

1634
01:52:20,240 --> 01:52:25,160
 a Bonnie Bray update for phase six and then Bonnie Bray phase three, you saw recently

1635
01:52:25,160 --> 01:52:30,100
 at council that you approved the contract on that.

1636
01:52:30,100 --> 01:52:35,560
 So if there's updates on that, we'll bring those back next month.

1637
01:52:35,560 --> 01:52:38,560
 Hickory Creek road phase three update.

1638
01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:44,140
 We didn't bring you anything forward today, but happy to always bring that back to you.

1639
01:52:44,140 --> 01:52:49,040
 It's still under construction and everything seems to be going well.

1640
01:52:49,040 --> 01:52:52,160
 No delays that we're aware of at this point.

1641
01:52:52,160 --> 01:52:59,040
 Ryan road, we've mentioned we'll bring that back to you once we're fairly far with construction

1642
01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:02,460
 being close to completion of Hickory Creek phase three.

1643
01:53:02,460 --> 01:53:06,680
 And then we're still in a waiting of textile responses on the citywide speed study.

1644
01:53:06,680 --> 01:53:09,840
 So we just left that on the matrix until we have that information.

1645
01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:15,540
 So I'm updating downtown parking to make sure we collect the accident data.

1646
01:53:15,540 --> 01:53:18,480
 We'll add citywide and downtown parking study.

1647
01:53:18,480 --> 01:53:21,560
 So that as soon as something's available, we'll just leave it on the matrix so we can

1648
01:53:21,560 --> 01:53:23,200
 bring it forward.

1649
01:53:23,200 --> 01:53:29,820
 I understood that on 35, you'd like for us to bring an update date to you on what is

1650
01:53:29,820 --> 01:53:32,460
 better meant versus what is reimbursable.

1651
01:53:32,460 --> 01:53:35,520
 So we'll be bringing that back as a future agenda item.

1652
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:38,960
 And then three, I'm sorry, go ahead.

1653
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:40,120
 Perhaps you don't have to do it here.

1654
01:53:40,120 --> 01:53:45,640
 Just when it comes to council for us to approve stuff, you can just put something maybe in

1655
01:53:45,640 --> 01:53:46,640
 the backup there.

1656
01:53:46,640 --> 01:53:49,040
 Well, you've already approved all of it.

1657
01:53:49,040 --> 01:53:50,440
 You've already approved all of it.

1658
01:53:50,440 --> 01:53:51,920
 It's all under construction.

1659
01:53:51,920 --> 01:53:55,960
 So you won't be seeing anything unless there's a massive change order.

1660
01:53:55,960 --> 01:54:00,120
 You've already, it's already been all approved and you approved the last contract the last

1661
01:54:00,120 --> 01:54:01,120
 month.

1662
01:54:01,120 --> 01:54:04,840
 So we're happy to bring an update to you to tell you the difference between that if you

1663
01:54:04,840 --> 01:54:05,840
 like.

1664
01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:10,840
 I hate the ways the committee's talking about stuff we've already approved.

1665
01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:11,840
 So no.

1666
01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:12,840
 Okay.

1667
01:54:12,840 --> 01:54:13,840
 Well, then we can make that off the list.

1668
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:17,200
 And then I do, I did also add the 380 loop 28 schematic.

1669
01:54:17,200 --> 01:54:21,120
 Once they have information that's good enough to share, I was going to show John before

1670
01:54:21,120 --> 01:54:25,600
 you walked out the door that mingo road continues and they will have a railroad crossing.

1671
01:54:25,600 --> 01:54:28,000
 So I'll make sure that I show that information.

1672
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:32,400
 But if they feel like they have enough information that they could come back at the next meeting

1673
01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:36,240
 and show you more of a schematic in that area and report on similar things that showed in

1674
01:54:36,240 --> 01:54:37,440
 the public hearing.

1675
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:41,040
 It just depends on where they are on their comment phase.

1676
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:45,940
 If not, we can add it to the agenda to if not bring back next month as soon as is available

1677
01:54:45,940 --> 01:54:49,440
 and they have that detailed information that area that I was talking about with some of

1678
01:54:49,440 --> 01:54:52,000
 the homes that is city of Denton, correct?

1679
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:53,720
 I'm going to have you show me on the map.

1680
01:54:53,720 --> 01:54:57,520
 I have it up on my computer before you walk out the door to make sure that I'm looking

1681
01:54:57,520 --> 01:54:59,560
 at the same area that you are.

1682
01:54:59,560 --> 01:55:02,440
 That is my, that is my understanding.

1683
01:55:02,440 --> 01:55:06,720
 So we're going to, we're going to show the city limit sign and you will, you and I will

1684
01:55:06,720 --> 01:55:10,800
 get savvy with what's in the city of Denton and make sure we're all on the same page from

1685
01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:11,800
 that map.

1686
01:55:11,800 --> 01:55:12,800
 Thank you, ma'am.

1687
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:13,800
 Yes, sir.

1688
01:55:13,800 --> 01:55:15,280
 So I'll just follow up on that one.

1689
01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:21,880
 I mean, I brought this up with Tina and Karina and I don't know if I talked with any, maybe

1690
01:55:21,880 --> 01:55:26,720
 I talked to Trevor at the last, but there's the cemetery right there behind the church

1691
01:55:26,720 --> 01:55:31,000
 and it turns out there's cemetery on both sides of the church, whether they were allowed

1692
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:32,000
 to do that or not.

1693
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:33,000
 It doesn't matter.

1694
01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:34,000
 There's bodies in the ground.

1695
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:35,000
 It's the cemetery now.

1696
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:43,720
 So I don't know if that distance to the proposed alignment is, is now too short for the overpass

1697
01:55:43,720 --> 01:55:48,240
 that John didn't realize what we were talking about, but there's, there's, I mean, you got

1698
01:55:48,240 --> 01:55:49,240
 to have a bridge over Mingo.

1699
01:55:49,240 --> 01:55:51,520
 You got to have a bridge over the railroad tracks.

1700
01:55:51,520 --> 01:55:52,520
 There's a creek right there.

1701
01:55:52,520 --> 01:55:53,580
 You're going to have to have a bridge.

1702
01:55:53,580 --> 01:55:59,040
 So how are that six or 12 lanes is going to go majority of it have to be a skyway of some

1703
01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:00,040
 sort.

1704
01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:01,280
 The majority of it's elevated.

1705
01:56:01,280 --> 01:56:06,440
 So and, but my question on that follow up of this one point is when we bring back this

1706
01:56:06,440 --> 01:56:13,080
 alignment, could, could we address some of these particulars that were concerning like

1707
01:56:13,080 --> 01:56:15,040
 the cemeteries and things like that?

1708
01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:16,040
 Sure.

1709
01:56:16,040 --> 01:56:17,040
 And I understand.

1710
01:56:17,040 --> 01:56:20,680
 And the reason why I'm saying I'm not sure if for next month.

1711
01:56:20,680 --> 01:56:27,880
 I understand that they had the public hearing, they had an overall review and comment phase

1712
01:56:27,880 --> 01:56:30,040
 and they're working to address all of those comments.

1713
01:56:30,040 --> 01:56:31,640
 We meet with them monthly.

1714
01:56:31,640 --> 01:56:35,920
 So what I will find out from them is if they've had the opportunity to receive all the comments,

1715
01:56:35,920 --> 01:56:39,120
 address all the comments, and if they feel comfortable with coming in and discussing

1716
01:56:39,120 --> 01:56:43,400
 those or if they need in a little extra time, we'll either bring it back in September or

1717
01:56:43,400 --> 01:56:47,840
 October when they have that information available and have them kind of do an overview of the

1718
01:56:47,840 --> 01:56:55,160
 project and specifically hone in on that 388 I'm sorry, 380 Luke 288 connection area.

1719
01:56:55,160 --> 01:56:56,160
 Perfect.

1720
01:56:56,160 --> 01:57:00,880
 And if I might share, I just have two other items I'd like to consider adding to the matrix.

1721
01:57:00,880 --> 01:57:01,880
 Sure.

1722
01:57:01,880 --> 01:57:07,280
 I'd like to at some point sooner rather than later, doesn't have to be urgent, but sooner

1723
01:57:07,280 --> 01:57:12,920
 because I think it impacts future development is can we get a brief description on what

1724
01:57:12,920 --> 01:57:17,280
 our model assumptions are for our traffic models?

1725
01:57:17,280 --> 01:57:21,760
 Because this came up and I'll give you the context so it's clear what I'm asking for.

1726
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:29,840
 When we did the bell and potential roundabout description recently and when we did, we talked

1727
01:57:29,840 --> 01:57:35,800
 about traffic on Carol recently, we had certain model assumptions of growth of traffic growth

1728
01:57:35,800 --> 01:57:38,880
 five, five percent annually or something like that.

1729
01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:44,800
 Don't quote me that that may be wrong, but there was a linear growth traffic model assumption

1730
01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:50,400
 like that means, you know, OK, you're going to expand all the the collectors to arterials

1731
01:57:50,400 --> 01:57:53,160
 and arterials to primaries and primaries to highways.

1732
01:57:53,160 --> 01:57:57,920
 And it's we all know you can't do that because you'd end up having to have right away to

1733
01:57:57,920 --> 01:58:02,440
 destroy courthouses and things like that that are not going to happen.

1734
01:58:02,440 --> 01:58:10,320
 So then I would like to hear a little bit about what our model assumptions are as we

1735
01:58:10,320 --> 01:58:17,160
 continue to have growth and and how those are being used, because I'm going to keep

1736
01:58:17,160 --> 01:58:25,200
 bringing up the Bell, Locust, Eagle, Dallas roundabout, and I'm going to keep bringing

1737
01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:28,400
 that up because I sensed interest in it.

1738
01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:33,640
 And the reason it failed and other things failed was traffic model assumptions.

1739
01:58:33,640 --> 01:58:38,960
 And so, A, I would like to hear the traffic model assumptions and B, I'm going to touch

1740
01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:43,720
 that third rail because I'm quite comfortable touching that third rail, that roundabout.

1741
01:58:43,720 --> 01:58:49,040
 And because I think that that has particular implications for our development style and

1742
01:58:49,040 --> 01:58:55,600
 pattern and it depends on those traffic model assumptions as to why we didn't like it and

1743
01:58:55,600 --> 01:58:58,020
 why we didn't have additional plans.

1744
01:58:58,020 --> 01:59:02,400
 So those are the sort of two phases of things I'd like to see on the mobility image.

1745
01:59:02,400 --> 01:59:07,840
 OK, so I'm going to have to think about how it's best to bring back that information because

1746
01:59:07,840 --> 01:59:12,880
 in the mobility plan, traffic model assumptions were made in order to classify what roadways

1747
01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:17,440
 and that's an update that happens typically every five years.

1748
01:59:17,440 --> 01:59:24,600
 When you're looking at an isolated corridor such as the Bell, Eagle, Carroll corridor,

1749
01:59:24,600 --> 01:59:29,880
 traffic assumptions were made based on growth patterns using the comprehensive plan.

1750
01:59:29,880 --> 01:59:32,920
 So I'm going to have to think about what's the best way to bring that information back

1751
01:59:32,920 --> 01:59:37,760
 to you because in many cases it's an isolated situation.

1752
01:59:37,760 --> 01:59:43,280
 It may be best for us to do it from an education perspective on what's currently written in

1753
01:59:43,280 --> 01:59:48,640
 our transportation criteria manual and what are the design assumptions that we're requiring

1754
01:59:48,640 --> 01:59:51,120
 folks to do as they develop through the community.

1755
01:59:51,120 --> 01:59:54,840
 So let me think about what's the best way to bring that back because there's a lot of

1756
01:59:54,840 --> 01:59:57,840
 moving parts with that type of a conversation.

1757
01:59:57,840 --> 02:00:03,560
 I appreciate that and I will ask just as a follow up real briefly because I know we're

1758
02:00:03,560 --> 02:00:10,640
 four minutes over, thank you Chair, and that is can we have the general education, I mean

1759
02:00:10,640 --> 02:00:17,200
 obviously specific examples are illustrative, but in general I would like to know the general

1760
02:00:17,200 --> 02:00:19,480
 traffic model assumptions as well.

1761
02:00:19,480 --> 02:00:24,320
 OK, yeah so let me think about what's the best way and I'm not going to promise to come

1762
02:00:24,320 --> 02:00:26,800
 back for the next month but I understand your concern.

1763
02:00:26,800 --> 02:00:28,280
 Some future meetings.

1764
02:00:28,280 --> 02:00:30,360
 We will figure that out.

1765
02:00:30,360 --> 02:00:31,360
 Absolutely.

1766
02:00:31,360 --> 02:00:33,480
 All righty, anything else?

1767
02:00:33,480 --> 02:00:39,760
 Just one more thing for me and this has been bothering me for at least 15 to 20 years.

1768
02:00:39,760 --> 02:00:48,680
 Probably could have had something done by now but it's a state of Texas issue.

1769
02:00:48,680 --> 02:00:49,680
 OK.

1770
02:00:49,680 --> 02:00:57,040
 So John, probably could have asked him at the time, but between Carroll Boulevard and

1771
02:00:57,040 --> 02:01:03,040
 Loop 288 on 380, there's literally just no lighting.

1772
02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:10,800
 I remember being frustrated by seeing all the trees, you know, come up and watering

1773
02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:16,840
 and all the beautification, but there's not any lighting, especially around the Texas

1774
02:01:16,840 --> 02:01:24,560
 Women's University area, so I need for somebody to say something to me about that.

1775
02:01:24,560 --> 02:01:29,360
 So we recently put that information in a Friday report, so I'm happy to share that information

1776
02:01:29,360 --> 02:01:30,800
 back with you.

1777
02:01:30,800 --> 02:01:35,600
 That was a question that was asked and so there is a project that was a part of the

1778
02:01:35,600 --> 02:01:42,240
 2019 to do bond program to do lighting along 380 and so that will be the project that will

1779
02:01:42,240 --> 02:01:46,880
 address that, so happy to bring forward any additional information.

1780
02:01:46,880 --> 02:01:48,760
 No, I'll just read my Friday report.

1781
02:01:48,760 --> 02:01:49,760
 OK.

1782
02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:50,760
 So I have to do.

1783
02:01:50,760 --> 02:01:51,760
 Come on.

1784
02:01:51,760 --> 02:01:52,760
 OK.

1785
02:01:52,760 --> 02:01:53,760
 Oh, I was probably asleep.

1786
02:01:53,760 --> 02:01:54,760
 Yeah, I was probably asleep.

1787
02:01:54,760 --> 02:01:55,760
 Yeah.

1788
02:01:55,760 --> 02:01:56,760
 All righty.

1789
02:01:56,760 --> 02:01:59,760
 I was probably asleep on that one.

1790
02:01:59,760 --> 02:02:04,000
 Well, you were out during that week, so I'm not sure that you were reading Friday reports

1791
02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:05,560
 and you were taking care of yourself.

1792
02:02:05,560 --> 02:02:06,560
 That's right.

1793
02:02:06,560 --> 02:02:07,560
 All right.

1794
02:02:07,560 --> 02:02:08,560
 Is there anything else?

1795
02:02:08,560 --> 02:02:11,160
 Any concluding items from anyone?

1796
02:02:11,160 --> 02:02:12,160
 Are we OK?

1797
02:02:12,160 --> 02:02:13,160
 All right.

1798
02:02:13,160 --> 02:02:14,160
 All right.

1799
02:02:14,160 --> 02:02:20,760
 Well, then we will conclude the meeting at 1007.

1800
02:02:20,760 --> 02:02:21,760
 Thank you very much.