WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.220 >> Good afternoon and welcome to the city of Denton's planning and zoning commission 00:00:05.220 --> 00:00:09.120 meeting for Wednesday, August 9th, 2023. 00:00:09.120 --> 00:00:14.580 This is our work session and with the quorum present I will call us to order at 5.01 p.m. 00:00:14.580 --> 00:00:18.220 Let the record show that Commissioner Smith and Commissioner Anderson are absent at this 00:00:18.220 --> 00:00:19.740 time. 00:00:19.740 --> 00:00:25.320 First item on our work session is citizen comment on consent agenda. 00:00:25.320 --> 00:00:28.740 But seeing no one here in the audience for that. 00:00:28.740 --> 00:00:35.040 We'll go ahead and move on to clarification of this evening's agenda. 00:00:35.040 --> 00:00:39.760 First on our agenda are the minutes from July 19th. 00:00:39.760 --> 00:00:44.160 Any questions on those? 00:00:44.160 --> 00:00:51.560 Anything on consent that you want brought up by staff? 00:00:51.560 --> 00:00:54.280 Then we'll go to items for individual consideration. 00:00:54.280 --> 00:01:01.520 Or A, I'll have Mia come up and give us a summary. 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:02.520 Hi. 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:03.520 >> Hello. 00:01:03.520 --> 00:01:04.520 Good evening. 00:01:04.520 --> 00:01:12.960 Chair, members of the commission, Mia Hines, associate planner. 00:01:12.960 --> 00:01:16.280 I'm just going to give a summary of this variance request. 00:01:16.280 --> 00:01:21.600 Essentially this is a property the development or the developer applicant is proposing a 00:01:21.600 --> 00:01:23.280 multifamily development. 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:27.620 The property is located at the northeast corner of Audreline and Nottingham drive. 00:01:27.620 --> 00:01:36.000 And that requirement requires at least two full points of vehicular access for developments 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:37.640 of this kind. 00:01:37.640 --> 00:01:42.180 This site, given the triangular shape and some of the surrounding conditions, it becomes 00:01:42.180 --> 00:01:47.820 a little difficult for them to achieve a second point of access that meets all the other requirements 00:01:47.820 --> 00:01:50.680 of our transportation design criteria manual. 00:01:50.680 --> 00:01:56.480 The applicant did put in a good faith effort to try to provide a second point of access 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:57.480 to this site. 00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:01.800 And ultimately the challenges are going to come with this development or any development 00:02:01.800 --> 00:02:04.960 that requires that second point of access. 00:02:04.960 --> 00:02:08.040 So we are recommending approval within my full presentation. 00:02:08.040 --> 00:02:09.360 I have those options. 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:13.640 So we could detail that if you want to discuss those options a little further. 00:02:13.640 --> 00:02:18.720 But we are recommending approval of the request to allow this site to be served with one point 00:02:18.720 --> 00:02:19.720 of access. 00:02:19.720 --> 00:02:22.640 And with that, I will answer any questions that you have. 00:02:22.640 --> 00:02:23.640 >> Thank you. 00:02:23.640 --> 00:02:24.640 Any questions? 00:02:24.640 --> 00:02:25.640 Commissioner Pruitt? 00:02:25.640 --> 00:02:26.640 >> Sorry. 00:02:26.640 --> 00:02:27.640 Just one question. 00:02:27.640 --> 00:02:35.360 I know this is -- is this just the flat work site plan, essentially? 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:36.360 >> Yeah. 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:37.360 Yeah. 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:40.400 It's -- well, in this exhibit, the buildings are shown there. 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:41.400 They are kind of gray. 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:42.400 It's hard to tell. 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:43.400 >> Okay. 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:44.400 Yeah. 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:45.400 I was trying to find the buildings. 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:46.400 And I was not seeing them. 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:49.960 >> I can make that more clear for you in the presentation. 00:02:49.960 --> 00:02:50.960 >> Yeah. 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:52.400 So they're above and then along Nottingham? 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:53.400 >> Yeah. 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:54.400 They're here. 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:55.400 And then there's an amenity center here. 00:02:55.400 --> 00:02:56.400 And then there's one here. 00:02:56.400 --> 00:02:57.400 >> Okay. 00:02:57.400 --> 00:02:58.400 >> Yeah. 00:02:58.400 --> 00:02:59.400 >> Awesome. 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:00.400 Thank you. 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:01.400 >> Other questions for Mia? 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:05.640 Mia, I assume, like, you talked with Fire on this and they're fine with it? 00:03:05.640 --> 00:03:06.640 >> Yeah. 00:03:06.640 --> 00:03:07.640 They did not have any comments. 00:03:07.640 --> 00:03:08.640 >> Saw it as zero problem. 00:03:08.640 --> 00:03:09.640 Okay. 00:03:09.640 --> 00:03:10.640 Excellent. 00:03:10.640 --> 00:03:11.640 Okay. 00:03:11.640 --> 00:03:12.640 Appreciate it. 00:03:12.640 --> 00:03:13.640 Thank you. 00:03:13.640 --> 00:03:16.920 >> Okay, that will take us to 4B. 00:03:16.920 --> 00:03:21.520 Erin, come up. 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:23.480 Hi, Erin. 00:03:23.480 --> 00:03:26.120 >> Good evening. 00:03:26.120 --> 00:03:27.120 Okay. 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:28.120 Okay. 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:31.960 Good evening, Chair, members of the commission. 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:34.840 This is FR23-0011. 00:03:34.840 --> 00:03:39.120 This is a final replat of the Golden Triangle edition. 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:43.360 It's located just northwest of Colorado and Loop 288. 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:48.860 At this time, staff is recommending denial as it does not meet all of the criteria for 00:03:48.860 --> 00:03:54.600 approval, but they've requested a one-time 30-day extension, which could be granted to 00:03:54.600 --> 00:03:55.600 August 23rd. 00:03:55.600 --> 00:03:56.600 >> Great. 00:03:56.600 --> 00:03:57.600 Any questions for Ann? 00:03:57.600 --> 00:03:58.600 Okay. 00:03:58.600 --> 00:03:59.600 Thank you. 00:03:59.600 --> 00:04:07.160 4C has been withdrawn, so we won't be taking any action on that item. 00:04:07.160 --> 00:04:08.160 4D? 00:04:08.160 --> 00:04:09.160 Julie's? 00:04:09.160 --> 00:04:10.160 Hi, Julie. 00:04:10.160 --> 00:04:18.360 >> Hello, good evening, Julie Wyatt. 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:21.640 This is FP23-0020. 00:04:21.640 --> 00:04:26.600 This is a final plat for a portion of the Kingsway subdivision. 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:29.720 Right now, they have some things to correct, so staff is recommending denial. 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:34.720 However, we have no objection to the requested extension to -- 30-day extension to August 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:35.720 23rd. 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:36.720 I'll be happy to answer any questions. 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:37.720 >> Great. 00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:38.720 Thanks, Julie. 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:40.720 Any questions for Julie? 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:41.720 Okay. 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:42.720 Thank you. 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:46.880 And you've got the next one, too, I believe, 4E. 00:04:46.880 --> 00:04:47.920 >> All right. 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:50.640 Same Kingsway development. 00:04:50.640 --> 00:04:53.480 It is for Phase 1B. 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:55.940 Once again, they do have some items that they need to correct. 00:04:55.940 --> 00:05:00.200 This is that final plat for this phase, and so staff is recommending denial. 00:05:00.200 --> 00:05:04.720 However, we have no objection to that requested 30-day extension, and I'll be happy to answer 00:05:04.720 --> 00:05:05.720 any questions. 00:05:05.720 --> 00:05:06.720 >> Okay. 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:09.720 Thank you. 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:10.720 >> Thank you. 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:12.720 See you again shortly. 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:18.120 Our public hearings for this evening, 5A, we'll have Christy come up and give us a summary 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:19.320 of that one. 00:05:19.320 --> 00:05:35.760 Take any questions, if you all have any. 00:05:35.760 --> 00:05:43.680 So this is a project that is referred to as Denton Crossing Phase 3, and the site plan 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:46.440 is currently under review. 00:05:46.440 --> 00:05:55.400 The site plan will include the construction of a parking lot for a industrial facility 00:05:55.400 --> 00:05:59.240 to place their product on. 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:07.760 The request is to fill 0.19 acres of herbaceous wetlands to construct this parking space and 00:06:07.760 --> 00:06:13.560 then relocate the habitat and the ecological services to another location closer to the 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:17.680 waterway, and staff is recommending approval. 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:22.680 The field assessment had confirmed that was undeveloped floodplain and that the water-related 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:34.080 habitat is these isolated wetlands, and then the mitigation plan will be to excavate the 00:06:34.080 --> 00:06:42.240 soils and the herbaceous materials and to place it in this new location, bring in top 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:50.840 soil and vegetation to help support the revegetation or the regrowth of this area, and then to 00:06:50.840 --> 00:06:54.200 achieve a 60% vegetative cover. 00:06:54.200 --> 00:07:02.880 And there were notifications sent out and one response in favor of the project and no 00:07:02.880 --> 00:07:08.240 meetings were held, no neighborhood meetings were held, and staff is recommending approval 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:11.080 as outlined in your backup materials. 00:07:11.080 --> 00:07:13.920 With that, I'll take any questions. 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:14.920 Thanks, Christy. 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:23.980 >> Anyone have any questions on this one? 00:07:23.980 --> 00:07:31.280 That will take us to 5B and really technically C and D, so they're all related if you all 00:07:31.280 --> 00:07:38.120 did not notice, and they all have to be approved in the order as they are on our agenda. 00:07:38.120 --> 00:07:42.240 If they are not approved, then that will topple the next one and the next one, so we'll move 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:45.760 accordingly as we make these decisions. 00:07:45.760 --> 00:07:49.000 Julie, I don't know how you want to do presentations on this one. 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:53.120 Are you going to give one full presentation or are you going to? 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:57.640 >> In the interest of just everyone's time, and it would be a lot of repetition, we've 00:07:57.640 --> 00:08:05.240 combined all of the requests into one presentation that builds on the information like the project 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:07.240 does, so hopefully that's okay. 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:12.160 >> Yeah, and then we'll just vote then one item at a time and then take it from there. 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:13.160 >> Awesome. 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:14.160 >> If we need to move on. 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:15.160 Okay. 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:16.160 Thank you. 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:17.160 >> All right. 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:18.480 So this is Multifamily at Mayhill. 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:25.840 It's three requests, a comprehensive plan amendment, CA 23.1, zoning Z 23.6, and then 00:08:25.840 --> 00:08:30.680 a specific use permit S 23.3. 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:31.680 So I'm just going to give a summary. 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:35.440 If you all want to go into more detail, we can absolutely do that, but the proposal is 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:42.520 to develop multifamily dwellings on a 24-acre tract, 281 multifamily dwellings. 00:08:42.520 --> 00:08:47.200 The subject property is sandwiched between Loop 288 and Mayhill, but it's adjacent to 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:48.520 Mayhill. 00:08:48.520 --> 00:08:50.200 It includes two tracts. 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:56.160 There's a northern tract, which is the entire tract, and then the southern tract is -- the 00:08:56.160 --> 00:08:59.160 entire tract is about 14 acres. 00:08:59.160 --> 00:09:05.280 This request only impacts that northern seven acres of that property. 00:09:05.280 --> 00:09:09.000 As I mentioned, it does have the three requests, the comprehensive plan amendment to modify 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:14.160 the future land use from business center to moderate residential, then they are requesting 00:09:14.160 --> 00:09:19.440 to rezone the property from light industrial to R7, and then finally requesting a specific 00:09:19.440 --> 00:09:22.080 use permit for that multifamily use. 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:27.360 Staff has analyzed the request and has determined it does comply with the criteria for approval. 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:30.080 I know Commissioner Ellis talked about the process a little. 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:35.000 Just wanted to lay that out, and I think Hillary might have some additional information if needed. 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:40.000 Since all requests are related to each other, we're going to present in one presentation. 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:46.760 However, it was our determination, it might be best to just have an independent public 00:09:46.760 --> 00:09:50.520 hearing and vote for each item just in order. 00:09:50.520 --> 00:09:52.960 So if that's all right with you. 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:54.760 Otherwise, that concludes my summary. 00:09:54.760 --> 00:09:56.880 I'll be happy to answer any questions. 00:09:56.880 --> 00:09:58.560 >> Thanks, Julie. 00:09:58.560 --> 00:09:59.560 Questions? 00:09:59.560 --> 00:10:00.560 Anyone? 00:10:00.560 --> 00:10:08.680 I just had one as the proposed future land use map looks a little weird to me, so that 00:10:08.680 --> 00:10:15.880 northern part remains -- explain that to me, because I think -- I mean, there's homes there, 00:10:15.880 --> 00:10:16.880 aren't there? 00:10:16.880 --> 00:10:17.880 Or there's going to be? 00:10:17.880 --> 00:10:21.780 >> You picked up on that, yes, absolutely. 00:10:21.780 --> 00:10:24.160 So the request is just for that 24 acres. 00:10:24.160 --> 00:10:30.480 So if approved, it would just change the future land use to moderate residential. 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:31.480 You are correct. 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:35.800 That would leave that sliver of business center to the north. 00:10:35.800 --> 00:10:39.160 And you can see it right here on the map. 00:10:39.160 --> 00:10:44.840 Since that wasn't a part of the request, that property owner wasn't a party, didn't apply 00:10:44.840 --> 00:10:45.840 for it. 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:46.840 We left it as is. 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:51.680 It is something that staff would entertain, changing that future land use. 00:10:51.680 --> 00:10:58.500 Because Commissioner Ellis, you are absolutely correct, and let me get to the zoning. 00:10:58.500 --> 00:11:00.160 So here's the current zoning. 00:11:00.160 --> 00:11:06.200 It is already zoned with R4, and some of you may recall there was a specific use permit 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:11.480 for town homes that was approved in the last year or so for here. 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:17.600 So we anticipate residential development is going to be coming forward in that location. 00:11:17.600 --> 00:11:27.000 >> So then with that, that leads me to another question, because technically you can't have 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:35.300 residential in the way this currently reads, correct? 00:11:35.300 --> 00:11:39.880 With it being business innovation. 00:11:39.880 --> 00:11:42.840 >> Regarding the subject property or the properties to the north? 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:44.800 >> Well I know regarding the subject property. 00:11:44.800 --> 00:11:49.920 But my question is how did we get them in the north without having to go through this 00:11:49.920 --> 00:11:50.920 exercise? 00:11:50.920 --> 00:11:56.400 >> That zoning, and I can kind of do a little research on the history of that zoning for 00:11:56.400 --> 00:11:57.400 the property of the north. 00:11:57.400 --> 00:12:03.720 I anticipate that it was zoned at maybe prior with the 2002 code, and then that zoning transitioned 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:06.760 with the 2019 code. 00:12:06.760 --> 00:12:12.720 Even though it has that business center future land use, because it has the zoning for residential 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:15.680 uses, it could develop with those residential uses. 00:12:15.680 --> 00:12:16.680 But you're right. 00:12:16.680 --> 00:12:22.000 It would be kind of nice to have that future land use kind of tidied up on that side. 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:31.440 >> And Julie is correct, with respect to the existing zoning that is going to supersede 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:35.160 whatever is shown on the future land use map, so they would have that zoning entitlement. 00:12:35.160 --> 00:12:39.320 But if the commission finds that this request is appropriate to go ahead and change the 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:44.840 future land use map, to me I think it would be appropriate in your deliberation that when 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:50.120 you take action on this, should it be to recommend approval, then if you believe that we should 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:53.960 go ahead and initiate a change to the future land use map to clean that up also on the 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:57.440 north side, you could include that in your direction as well. 00:12:57.440 --> 00:13:01.320 And then we can also pass that along to council, and then add it to our list of things to do 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:06.640 if it is ultimately successfully changed. 00:13:06.640 --> 00:13:09.240 >> Can that be attached, though, to this request? 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:13.560 Or should that be just something that we bring up, perhaps? 00:13:13.560 --> 00:13:16.120 >> To me, I would do it in your comments, for example. 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:23.320 So if the commission chooses to recommend approval of this, it was part of your conversation 00:13:23.320 --> 00:13:27.760 deliberation, you know, after you take action, if the commission feels like it's appropriate 00:13:27.760 --> 00:13:31.600 to go ahead and initiate that, I would just include that maybe in any concluding remarks 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:33.680 as it relates to the conference of plan amendment. 00:13:33.680 --> 00:13:37.320 So it's no formal action other than just, you know, if the commission feels that we 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:41.800 should go ahead and initiate that amendment, then if council concurs, then we'll add that 00:13:41.800 --> 00:13:42.800 to our work plan list. 00:13:42.800 --> 00:13:46.240 You know, the other option is it just hangs out there, and, you know, the property to 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:50.440 the north is already entitled, so it can develop as residential, so the conference of plan 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:55.200 designation is not going to hold that up, and we can just, you know, add it to our list 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:58.940 for the next time we process some amendments to the conference of plan. 00:13:58.940 --> 00:14:03.960 But just wanted to put that out there as an option for the commission if, you know, if 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:07.760 you're concerned about that little purple strip remaining, should this request eventually 00:14:07.760 --> 00:14:08.760 get approved. 00:14:08.760 --> 00:14:09.760 >> Commissioner Pruitt. 00:14:09.760 --> 00:14:10.760 >> Thank you, Chair. 00:14:10.760 --> 00:14:14.000 I appreciate that. 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:15.320 That helps me a lot. 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:20.920 The one question I have that relates to that is, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the 00:14:20.920 --> 00:14:29.640 property along 288 here at the extent of that business innovation future land use map right 00:14:29.640 --> 00:14:36.420 there that's zoned PF, I believe that's the old DPS DMV, I never remember what they call 00:14:36.420 --> 00:14:37.420 it here. 00:14:37.420 --> 00:14:45.640 It's up in this state, I'm ashamed to say, so, am I correct that that's the location 00:14:45.640 --> 00:14:46.640 here? 00:14:46.640 --> 00:14:47.640 >> I believe so, yes. 00:14:47.640 --> 00:14:54.760 >> Okay, so I guess my question to staff then would be, is moderate residential appropriate 00:14:54.760 --> 00:14:59.360 for that entire strip, even though there's an existing structure there and we want to 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:05.800 allow reuse and that sort of thing, or given the PF zone, because I see it zoned PF. 00:15:05.800 --> 00:15:09.600 If an institution, private institution wants to purchase it, they would have to rezone 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:10.840 it to something. 00:15:10.840 --> 00:15:14.320 And then we look at the future land use map and it says, well, it's residential, well, 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:16.560 but I just want to reuse this building, right? 00:15:16.560 --> 00:15:24.040 I'm just trying to think through that future. 00:15:24.040 --> 00:15:25.040 >> Great question. 00:15:25.040 --> 00:15:33.240 I mean, it's, you know, if that property is no longer owned by a governmental entity, 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:40.320 I mean, we could look at that as well to see if we need to reevaluate, but if it's owned 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:41.640 by the state. 00:15:41.640 --> 00:15:46.240 >> I think it's owned by the city, but once again, I can verify that to make sure I don't 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:47.600 want to misspeak. 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:55.280 >> Yeah, what we might want to do is just have that as the future, like, let's look 00:15:55.280 --> 00:15:57.880 at this purple piece and see what should it be? 00:15:57.880 --> 00:16:02.040 So it looks a little bit strange at the moment. 00:16:02.040 --> 00:16:07.400 >> But, yes, we could, you know, if your direction is for us to maybe revisit our land use map 00:16:07.400 --> 00:16:12.880 recommendations for this area, we can be a little more all encompassing if that's your 00:16:12.880 --> 00:16:15.520 direction and definitely add that to the work plan. 00:16:15.520 --> 00:16:16.520 >> Thank you. 00:16:16.520 --> 00:16:19.040 >> Thank you, Commissioner Pritt. 00:16:19.040 --> 00:16:22.320 Anything else for Julie on this one? 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:23.320 Okay. 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:24.320 Thank you very much. 00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:25.320 >> Thank you. 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:31.600 >> I probably have a Hillary question with regard to this, so as we begin these, Julie's 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:36.440 going to come up and give one presentation. 00:16:36.440 --> 00:16:42.600 So then am I -- can I open all public hearings at that time for 5B, C, and D? 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:44.400 >> In my opinion, yes. 00:16:44.400 --> 00:16:45.400 >> Okay. 00:16:45.400 --> 00:16:47.400 And then we'll let her present. 00:16:47.400 --> 00:16:51.280 We'll take any comments for any of them, and then I can close them all, and then we can 00:16:51.280 --> 00:16:52.280 vote. 00:16:52.280 --> 00:16:53.280 >> I love it. 00:16:53.280 --> 00:16:54.280 >> Okay. 00:16:54.280 --> 00:16:55.280 Perfect. 00:16:55.280 --> 00:16:56.280 I like to have a plan. 00:16:56.280 --> 00:16:57.280 Perfect. 00:16:57.280 --> 00:16:58.280 Okay. 00:16:58.280 --> 00:17:05.000 So that clears up our agenda items, so now we can go to our work session report, which 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:09.600 is receive a report, hold a discussion regarding the Southeast Denton area plan progress. 00:17:09.600 --> 00:17:13.600 Tina, are you presenting, or who is presenting? 00:17:13.600 --> 00:17:14.600 >> I'm going to start. 00:17:14.600 --> 00:17:15.600 >> Okay. 00:17:15.600 --> 00:17:16.600 >> Sorry. 00:17:16.600 --> 00:17:17.600 I couldn't get my microphone. 00:17:17.600 --> 00:17:20.080 Yeah, just I have a couple opening remarks, but really I'm going to turn it over to my 00:17:20.080 --> 00:17:25.420 subject matter experts on this project, both Mia and Julie, so I just wanted to preface 00:17:25.420 --> 00:17:32.720 their presentation with staff is going to be providing area plan project updates both 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:38.760 to City Council and the Planning and Zoning Commission, and so we'll start with the Planning 00:17:38.760 --> 00:17:42.840 and Zoning Commission and do our presentations here to give you those project updates, and 00:17:42.840 --> 00:17:47.600 then provide a Friday report to council with a link to the conversation here so that they 00:17:47.600 --> 00:17:50.400 can watch the presentation. 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:54.500 But I just wanted to add, you know, the intent of these updates is to really communicate 00:17:54.500 --> 00:17:56.620 to you all where we are in the process. 00:17:56.620 --> 00:18:01.820 I know sometimes I'll address kind of where we are in our matrix and closing remarks portion 00:18:01.820 --> 00:18:07.020 of our agenda, but on these area plans, I feel it's important to help close the knowledge 00:18:07.020 --> 00:18:12.520 gap, and if anything, maybe a lesson learned from our last meeting on, you know, trying 00:18:12.520 --> 00:18:16.920 to get the commission and council caught up with the steering committee, and so wanting 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:21.280 to be more mindful of that as well and allowing the Planning and Zoning Commission to understand 00:18:21.280 --> 00:18:23.160 truly where we are in the process. 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:27.320 So you know, and we would do this at key milestones within the project. 00:18:27.320 --> 00:18:31.460 So for example, and I know this presentation this evening is really geared towards some 00:18:31.460 --> 00:18:36.080 of the public engagement efforts that have taken place with Southeast Denton, but it's 00:18:36.080 --> 00:18:41.080 so that you all can start hearing what we're hearing from the community as it relates to 00:18:41.080 --> 00:18:43.880 the various phases and where we are in these milestones. 00:18:43.880 --> 00:18:49.320 So really looking at this as being informative, not expecting any direction from the commission. 00:18:49.320 --> 00:18:53.080 In fact, we're not asking for any direction from the commission, but this is more to educate 00:18:53.080 --> 00:18:55.600 you as to where we are on the various projects. 00:18:55.600 --> 00:18:59.960 So I've talked to the team about doing this as well on the other two area plan projects, 00:18:59.960 --> 00:19:04.040 but I think it will really help the commission in being more informed instead of me just 00:19:04.040 --> 00:19:07.680 giving you a quick snippet during the matrix reports. 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:09.440 So I'll turn it over to Mia. 00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:10.440 Perfect. 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:11.440 Yeah. 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:12.440 Mia Hines. 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:13.440 Good evening again, Chair, members of the commission. 00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:14.440 Mia Hines. 00:19:14.440 --> 00:19:18.660 I am the Assistant Project Manager for the Southeast Denton Area Plan Project. 00:19:18.660 --> 00:19:23.880 Me and Julie Wyatt as the project manager will be tagging, tag teaming this presentation, 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:28.760 like Tina said, just to give you an update of where we are with this process. 00:19:28.760 --> 00:19:34.720 We want to start off the presentation by re-emphasizing the purpose of this planning effort, giving 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:40.080 you an overview and sort of talking about the things that we originally set out to achieve 00:19:40.080 --> 00:19:44.980 and some of those initial steps that we took beginning this work. 00:19:44.980 --> 00:19:49.640 And then we'll jump into the work itself with our public engagement and Julie will shoulder 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:56.640 a large part of that piece and sort of talk to you about the things that we've learned 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:00.760 during that process, how we've made some little tease here, how we've made some midway adjustments 00:20:00.760 --> 00:20:05.880 to help us obtain some better feedback and additional feedback from that process. 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:09.840 Namely, we've held some listening sessions to hear from the community regarding some 00:20:09.840 --> 00:20:16.920 of those tough and oftentimes uncomfortable topics surrounding this area plan project. 00:20:16.920 --> 00:20:21.520 We've also held some listening sessions to hear from the community regarding some of 00:20:21.520 --> 00:20:27.520 those -- I'm sorry, to see -- hear from the -- meet the members of the community and see 00:20:27.520 --> 00:20:33.860 where they are as a -- or where they are as opposed to having them come to us. 00:20:33.860 --> 00:20:38.480 And then we also want to give you an update on some of the things that we've learned during 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:44.040 those processes and then brag a little bit about our steering committee and the members 00:20:44.040 --> 00:20:48.280 that we have on that team and their involvement in this process so far. 00:20:48.280 --> 00:20:54.600 And then finally leave you with a little bit of information about our next steps and how 00:20:54.600 --> 00:21:00.760 your role as the planning and zoning commission is going to be important in the adoption and 00:21:00.760 --> 00:21:02.840 implementation of this plan. 00:21:02.840 --> 00:21:05.100 Fair warning, you do have a little bit of homework. 00:21:05.100 --> 00:21:09.620 Not too crazy, but we just -- we have an event coming up and we want to make sure -- or use 00:21:09.620 --> 00:21:14.980 your help to get the word out so that we get some good participation during that time. 00:21:14.980 --> 00:21:18.000 So jump right into the overview. 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:24.160 We all know about the unfair and unjust practices that led to the displacement and the whole 00:21:24.160 --> 00:21:27.280 story and history behind the Southeastern area. 00:21:27.280 --> 00:21:34.200 We know that we had to, starting this project, build community trust, and so we set out with 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:36.760 that goal in mind. 00:21:36.760 --> 00:21:44.800 And in this process we set out to sort of identify those areas that are important from 00:21:44.800 --> 00:21:49.380 the community, really focusing on hearing from the community so that we as a city aren't 00:21:49.380 --> 00:21:53.520 coming forward with these are the plans, these are the ideas that we have for the community, 00:21:53.520 --> 00:21:59.840 really hearing the voice and feedback from the community, focusing on those topics like 00:21:59.840 --> 00:22:05.000 transportation, housing, connectivity, parks, open space, and things like that that we can 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:06.000 do. 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:11.640 And in true planner fashion, we made a plan for the plan. 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:16.720 So within this plan we broke it down into four different phases that sort of build on 00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:18.320 top of each other. 00:22:18.320 --> 00:22:24.520 The discovery phase is that first phase where our goal is to essentially identify the key 00:22:24.520 --> 00:22:29.140 people and places and plans that already exist, those key conditions, existing conditions 00:22:29.140 --> 00:22:30.400 for this area. 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:36.220 We looked at the demographics, land use conditions, housing stock, zoning, infrastructure, parks, 00:22:36.220 --> 00:22:41.360 like I said, essentially those things that you can see sort of driving around and observe 00:22:41.360 --> 00:22:43.400 from the outside looking in. 00:22:43.400 --> 00:22:49.000 And then during that defined phase we moved towards that phase and used what we learned 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:52.480 in the discovery phase to make sure that we were receiving it correctly, to make sure 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:55.800 that we were interpreting those demographics correctly. 00:22:55.800 --> 00:23:02.240 And a large part of that came from, of course, talking to the members of the community, getting 00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:03.240 their feedback. 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:07.960 We're still sort of in the process of that defined phase. 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:14.080 Following that we move on to the development phase where we gather from what we learned 00:23:14.080 --> 00:23:19.800 from the discovery and the defined phase and draft some plan and implementation strategies 00:23:19.800 --> 00:23:24.520 to get feedback once again to make sure that we're on the right track, that we're hearing 00:23:24.520 --> 00:23:26.080 from the community correctly. 00:23:26.080 --> 00:23:31.200 We present those drafts, we will present those drafts to the community and get feedback and 00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:36.680 move on to the delivery phase where we have a final draft of that area plan and are ready 00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:43.680 to have public hearings before this body and of course that adoption before the city council. 00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:47.320 And then that pretty much concludes the planning phase of the plan process. 00:23:47.320 --> 00:23:52.760 Then we get into the real work, the implementation, the things that we do after that adoption 00:23:52.760 --> 00:23:58.520 where we essentially see from the feedback that we've got how can we implement the plans 00:23:58.520 --> 00:24:03.960 and the strategies and the policies and things of that nature to move this community forward 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:10.300 in the direction that, again, they told us that they wanted to go into. 00:24:10.300 --> 00:24:16.720 So to start this plan, staff and our consultants did a kickoff tour. 00:24:16.720 --> 00:24:22.960 I think that tour was really good at sort of getting us all excited about the project. 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:28.440 Again, it allowed us to be boots on the ground, get a lay out of the land, really understand 00:24:28.440 --> 00:24:33.240 the existing conditions better because it's different from looking at aerials, the actually 00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:38.960 driving around, experiencing how the community sees or experiences their environment, their 00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:41.920 outside environment on a day-to-day basis. 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:48.440 We walked a portion of the trail that is in the southeast end area, again, to firsthand 00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:54.640 experience those amenities that's under city control in that area. 00:24:54.640 --> 00:25:01.680 And we got together as the city team and the consultants to share our observations during 00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:02.680 that time. 00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:03.680 Like I said, I think it was really good. 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:08.000 I personally enjoyed putting that route together and then I think, like I said, it was really 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:12.540 helpful to show the unlimited opportunities and things that exist within the southeast 00:25:12.540 --> 00:25:15.120 end area. 00:25:15.120 --> 00:25:20.800 And then we took a look at the numbers as a part of that discovery phase as well. 00:25:20.800 --> 00:25:27.800 I think this table and these figures were specifically interesting because we discovered 00:25:27.800 --> 00:25:33.240 that we are used to hearing from the members of a few generational cohorts, we're used 00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:40.440 to hearing from the age groups of 40, 50 and up, and realistically, as you can see with 00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:45.840 this table, over 60% of the population fits within that millennial and Gen Z category. 00:25:45.840 --> 00:25:50.040 And so this breakdown is pretty consistent across the city, across the county and the 00:25:50.040 --> 00:25:51.040 state of Texas. 00:25:51.040 --> 00:25:54.600 And it's a good thing, right, because young people means your city is growing. 00:25:54.600 --> 00:26:00.120 It means that there is a point of planning for the future because there will be people 00:26:00.120 --> 00:26:01.620 here in the future. 00:26:01.620 --> 00:26:05.880 But we of course want to hear from those voices and so Julie will talk about a little bit 00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:10.840 how after going through this discovery phase and sort of realizing exactly what we're dealing 00:26:10.840 --> 00:26:16.320 with with the population breakdown, how we've made some adjustments within our process to 00:26:16.320 --> 00:26:22.120 make sure that we are hearing, representatively hearing from those groups of people within 00:26:22.120 --> 00:26:23.120 this process. 00:26:23.120 --> 00:26:28.800 And so with that, I'll turn it over to Julie to talk a little bit about that process or 00:26:28.800 --> 00:26:33.200 the listening sessions, the public engagements that we had. 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:40.520 Okay, Julie Wyatt, and I'm going to talk to you about some of the public engagement that 00:26:40.520 --> 00:26:45.360 we've had with Southeast Deton and the activities that we've had over the summer. 00:26:45.360 --> 00:26:51.280 So you know, typically with an area plan, maybe the consultant will go talk to stakeholders 00:26:51.280 --> 00:26:55.480 and then start doing maybe visioning exercises. 00:26:55.480 --> 00:27:00.580 But given the history of Southeast Deton and some of the generational trauma associated 00:27:00.580 --> 00:27:07.500 with Southeast Deton, that we felt like and the consultant felt like we need to just stop, 00:27:07.500 --> 00:27:13.360 take a minute and go out and talk to the community and actually listen to what they had to say. 00:27:13.360 --> 00:27:15.540 So that's what we did. 00:27:15.540 --> 00:27:20.360 So at first it started with listening sessions, the first round was in April. 00:27:20.360 --> 00:27:23.920 The city actually wasn't even invited to the first round. 00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:30.360 We they wanted really candid conversations from the community members and they felt like 00:27:30.360 --> 00:27:36.520 if the city staff was there that people might not say everything that they wanted to say. 00:27:36.520 --> 00:27:39.720 And so they said, city, you can't come. 00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:46.320 And they had, we had five in-person sessions, one virtual, approximately 60 attendees. 00:27:46.320 --> 00:27:48.400 We had them in the community. 00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:53.240 So some of them were at the MLK Center and some of them were at the American Legion. 00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:57.680 And really this was an opportunity for community members just to come share with the consultant 00:27:57.680 --> 00:28:03.020 team their experiences, their concerns, their hopes and dreams for Southeast Deton. 00:28:03.020 --> 00:28:06.660 So it really was to capture all of that information. 00:28:06.660 --> 00:28:09.380 We did have some lessons learned from the first round. 00:28:09.380 --> 00:28:13.360 So we ended up having a second round and we're going to talk about that more in an upcoming 00:28:13.360 --> 00:28:14.840 slide. 00:28:14.840 --> 00:28:19.720 That second round had two in-person sessions and it was in June. 00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:24.560 So there were some tough questions that were asked of the community. 00:28:24.560 --> 00:28:31.760 It talked about, it talked about how the community members felt about living in Deton, what places 00:28:31.760 --> 00:28:36.800 do they feel welcome or don't feel welcome, what their feelings were, what their concerns 00:28:36.800 --> 00:28:43.280 were, whether Southeast Deton had been neglected and what city services had been allocated 00:28:43.280 --> 00:28:46.840 to Southeast Deton versus other parts of the community. 00:28:46.840 --> 00:28:52.320 And harm or unjust practices had been done to community members within Deton that they 00:28:52.320 --> 00:28:53.760 would like to share. 00:28:53.760 --> 00:28:57.800 What their relationship is with the city, what their concerns are with housing, not 00:28:57.800 --> 00:29:01.360 only in terms of housing choice and affordability, but also multifamily. 00:29:01.360 --> 00:29:05.700 It's always something that we hear a lot about in the community is multifamily. 00:29:05.700 --> 00:29:10.400 Are there, what are their concerns about displacement or gentrification? 00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:14.360 That was a big topic that they talked with the consultant group about. 00:29:14.360 --> 00:29:18.920 How community members would evaluate those public facilities within Southeast Deton. 00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:22.400 And that would relate to parks and streets and lighting, all of those things that make 00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:24.680 up our city facilities. 00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:27.400 And then do they have any concerns about any development projects? 00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:31.760 So those were some of the tough topics that they talked about. 00:29:31.760 --> 00:29:35.640 And the consultant shared with us some key themes. 00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:37.520 This is a summary of those key themes. 00:29:37.520 --> 00:29:43.720 There's actually going to be a bigger presentation that will be uploaded to discuss Deton in 00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:44.720 the upcoming weeks. 00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:48.880 And that's going to have even more information about the key themes from the second set of 00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:49.980 listening sessions. 00:29:49.980 --> 00:29:54.740 So we're going to get that analysis back from our consultant group. 00:29:54.740 --> 00:29:59.480 And we're going to put this as well as much more information on the website. 00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:05.240 So just to talk about the key themes first, those unjust practices inflicted upon black 00:30:05.240 --> 00:30:09.440 residents within Deton and families have not been forgotten. 00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:12.760 And that is in terms of over the last hundred years. 00:30:12.760 --> 00:30:15.420 That happened in Quaker Town and then since then. 00:30:15.420 --> 00:30:23.080 And that has impacted generational wealth and how those families view Deton and how 00:30:23.080 --> 00:30:26.360 they have lived in Deton. 00:30:26.360 --> 00:30:30.640 Residents are frustrated by the lack of communication regarding road reconstruction project. 00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:35.080 If you have driven in Southeast Deton recently, you know that almost every street in Southeast 00:30:35.080 --> 00:30:38.400 Deton is under construction right now. 00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:44.040 You know, that reconstruction was part of the 2019 bond that was voted on, but they 00:30:44.040 --> 00:30:48.240 all seemed to hit at the exact same time. 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:51.620 And that's caused a lot of frustration for community members trying to figure out how 00:30:51.620 --> 00:30:54.600 to get home and how to move throughout their community. 00:30:54.600 --> 00:30:59.280 There were concerns about why weren't sidewalks provided or all of this road construction 00:30:59.280 --> 00:31:03.120 is causing my car to look a mess all the time. 00:31:03.120 --> 00:31:05.640 So those sorts of things they shared. 00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:12.540 Speeding on local streets is a concern on Curley is one street, Morris is another street 00:31:12.540 --> 00:31:13.680 that's been indicated. 00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:19.440 So they provided feedback on specific streets as to where they see those problems. 00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:22.320 Parks and community facilities are cherished amenities. 00:31:22.320 --> 00:31:24.920 And you know, Southeast Deton has some great parks. 00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:31.240 And there has been a lot of the community express, there's been a lot of reinvestment 00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:33.580 and investment in those parks recently. 00:31:33.580 --> 00:31:35.440 We could do better. 00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:41.660 We could do better in terms of Carl Young Park and additional infrastructure related 00:31:41.660 --> 00:31:44.540 to the splash pad. 00:31:44.540 --> 00:31:47.320 But those are cherished amenities that the community loves. 00:31:47.320 --> 00:31:51.720 They also would like to see more festivals and more activities within the parks, more 00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:54.300 programming. 00:31:54.300 --> 00:31:56.320 Feelings were mixed about housing and affordability. 00:31:56.320 --> 00:32:00.120 You know, the community members shared with us they want a place where their kids can 00:32:00.120 --> 00:32:03.640 come move to in those diverse choices in housing. 00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:05.440 There were concerns about affordability. 00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:10.360 But they also -- the community also shared that, you know, they really did not want multifamily 00:32:10.360 --> 00:32:11.720 within the community. 00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:20.640 So they really gave those two ideas so that we can sort of look upon that and see how 00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:24.280 that plan should evolve. 00:32:24.280 --> 00:32:29.400 Property tax increases triggered by new development is driving gentrification fears. 00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:34.820 We were talking today, the first round of listening sessions, we scheduled them the 00:32:34.820 --> 00:32:38.640 same week that property tax valuations came out. 00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:42.120 So it was top of mind for the community. 00:32:42.120 --> 00:32:46.040 And you know, community members expressed, I didn't make any improvements on my home, 00:32:46.040 --> 00:32:49.740 but my tax -- my valuation has skyrocketed. 00:32:49.740 --> 00:32:54.120 And so that is -- we've been -- our consultant group talked with the county. 00:32:54.120 --> 00:32:56.440 We're looking at opportunities there. 00:32:56.440 --> 00:33:01.760 You know, that is something that is affecting all property owners within City of Denton. 00:33:01.760 --> 00:33:06.960 And so it is definitely affecting Southeast Denton. 00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:08.480 Residents feel that change is coming. 00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:11.360 So how can the city and the community partner together? 00:33:11.360 --> 00:33:15.800 How can the community -- how can we make sure that we capture the vision for the community 00:33:15.800 --> 00:33:23.000 and that we work together to manage any change to keep those areas that are really sacred 00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:25.600 to the community? 00:33:25.600 --> 00:33:30.280 City would like to hear more consultation with projects coming forward, not only in 00:33:30.280 --> 00:33:33.160 terms of zoning cases, but just what's going on in the community. 00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:37.560 They really want -- that communication was key. 00:33:37.560 --> 00:33:41.320 They feel like the city can improve our relationship with the community, but we're going to have 00:33:41.320 --> 00:33:43.480 to do that work. 00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:45.000 And the infrastructure must be improved. 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.240 Once again, things like sidewalks. 00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:53.400 You know, maybe not speed bumps to slow cars, but how can we slow cars within the community 00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:58.080 to make pedestrians safer and just moving through the intersection safer? 00:33:58.080 --> 00:34:04.280 So this was a report card that had some hopeful news, but it also had some tough things that 00:34:04.280 --> 00:34:07.480 the city needed to hear. 00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:11.240 They also -- the consultant heard hope for the future. 00:34:11.240 --> 00:34:17.480 You know, the community wants more unity and harmony among the races and to improve that, 00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:23.400 and so we need to work as a city to fulfill that. 00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:26.120 They want improved communication over and over. 00:34:26.120 --> 00:34:30.140 You heard, we need more communication with the city. 00:34:30.140 --> 00:34:33.520 Provide opportunities for the younger generation to live and work in Denton. 00:34:33.520 --> 00:34:40.840 As Mia kind of showed you, Denton's a young city. 00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:41.840 We're a college town. 00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:45.280 We've got a lot of young people here, and southeast Denton is a reflection of that. 00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:48.400 It has a lot of young people, and we want to make sure that our young people, if they 00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:53.880 want to stay in Denton, that they can, that they have jobs and they have places to live. 00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:58.620 Some residents would support new development if they were held harmless from an increase 00:34:58.620 --> 00:34:59.880 in that property value. 00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:03.280 Once again, we're looking at things like displacement and gentrification. 00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:06.060 So how do we make improvements in the community? 00:35:06.060 --> 00:35:15.000 How do we allow that new housing development while not harming those existing residents? 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:18.480 How do we alleviate concerns related to development, gentrification? 00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:21.000 All of those go hand in hand. 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:22.520 Stabilized property tax increases. 00:35:22.520 --> 00:35:24.960 Once again, property taxes. 00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:29.660 And finally, we just need to acknowledge that past harm from the unjust practices and that 00:35:29.660 --> 00:35:34.600 traumatic event, that generational trauma associated with Quaker Town Park. 00:35:34.600 --> 00:35:41.760 These were really productive conversations, and we're glad we've started this dialogue. 00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:44.440 But there were lessons learned. 00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:47.640 With every project, with everything that we do, we look and say, "Okay, what could we 00:35:47.640 --> 00:35:48.640 have done better?" 00:35:48.640 --> 00:35:49.640 Or, "What worked? 00:35:49.640 --> 00:35:50.640 What didn't work? 00:35:50.640 --> 00:35:53.040 How do we need to improve?" 00:35:53.040 --> 00:35:54.840 And we did that with this project as well. 00:35:54.840 --> 00:36:02.480 So based upon our analysis, those who attended that first listening session, the sessions, 00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:06.680 the group of them, they were 55 and older, the majority. 00:36:06.680 --> 00:36:14.120 So we got that older end of the cohort, the baby boomers, the Gen Xs, and then the silent 00:36:14.120 --> 00:36:15.120 generation. 00:36:15.120 --> 00:36:18.160 But the consultant was like, "We need to hear from younger people. 00:36:18.160 --> 00:36:22.240 We need the millennials, and we need the Gen Z," because those are who we plan for, right? 00:36:22.240 --> 00:36:24.780 We're planning for our kids. 00:36:24.780 --> 00:36:26.600 So we added the second round of listening sessions. 00:36:26.600 --> 00:36:30.040 We wanted to see if we could try again, go back to the well. 00:36:30.040 --> 00:36:34.120 We added translations and interpreters for that second round. 00:36:34.120 --> 00:36:39.440 We wanted to make sure that we included all members of the community, and that includes 00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:42.800 our members of the community who speak Spanish. 00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:45.780 We added intercept surveys, and that was a really cool thing I'm going to talk about 00:36:45.780 --> 00:36:46.960 in the next slide. 00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:50.520 And then we identified ways we just need to stay in the community. 00:36:50.520 --> 00:36:55.960 For the first listening sessions, we sent out postcards, and we sent out emails and 00:36:55.960 --> 00:36:56.960 social media. 00:36:56.960 --> 00:37:01.400 But those were kind of arm's length marketing efforts. 00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:03.720 And we realized we needed to be in the community. 00:37:03.720 --> 00:37:06.720 So we looked at opportunities for pop-ups. 00:37:06.720 --> 00:37:11.920 We went to the Juneteenth celebration at Fred Moore. 00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:16.320 We went to Fred Moore's school, and me and I did for career day. 00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:21.880 We go to Sudden and LULAC meetings as often as we can to promote the plan, and they have 00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:26.160 been so welcoming and generous with that time on the agendas. 00:37:26.160 --> 00:37:31.640 We added yard signs, flyers to area businesses, and we're continuing to learn. 00:37:31.640 --> 00:37:38.240 So if you have any suggestions on how to promote all of our activities, we'd love to hear it. 00:37:38.240 --> 00:37:43.200 We're talking to our younger steering committee members to say, how do we get the young people 00:37:43.200 --> 00:37:45.040 to these activities? 00:37:45.040 --> 00:37:48.000 So we're trying to continually improve. 00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:54.160 We also modified that process to add that second bit of round two listening sessions 00:37:54.160 --> 00:37:59.680 as well as other engagement, kind of replaced a design charrette, because we felt like it 00:37:59.680 --> 00:38:03.840 just wasn't the time for that yet. 00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:08.440 So we're modifying as we move forward. 00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:10.480 And then just a little bit about the intercept surveys. 00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:11.560 So these were really cool. 00:38:11.560 --> 00:38:14.320 They were man on the street interviews. 00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:16.160 We wanted to capture those voices. 00:38:16.160 --> 00:38:19.600 Not everybody wants to come to a community meeting. 00:38:19.600 --> 00:38:21.260 Maybe they don't have the time. 00:38:21.260 --> 00:38:23.540 Maybe they feel like there might be a language barrier. 00:38:23.540 --> 00:38:25.840 Maybe they just have other engagements. 00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:31.480 And so our consultant group said, we need to go where people are and just grab them 00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:32.760 off the street. 00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:37.720 So we had two sessions at MLK when parents were picking up kids from camp. 00:38:37.720 --> 00:38:44.640 We grabbed them and we gave the kids a lollipop and we interviewed the parents. 00:38:44.640 --> 00:38:50.520 We also had another session of intercept surveys at a local restaurant on a Saturday during 00:38:50.520 --> 00:38:51.740 the lunch rush. 00:38:51.740 --> 00:38:56.200 We had interpreters so those community members felt comfortable and they could communicate 00:38:56.200 --> 00:38:57.420 the information. 00:38:57.420 --> 00:39:00.620 And our interpreters were so great. 00:39:00.620 --> 00:39:05.240 One of them even got in the car with a couple of people to -- because it was really hot 00:39:05.240 --> 00:39:09.840 to interview people so that they would -- so they just really got into it. 00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:17.440 And we got a lot of responses and our consultant is working on that information now. 00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:21.540 We also, as Mia alluded to, we have a great steering committee. 00:39:21.540 --> 00:39:28.600 They are just an incredibly thoughtful group who they're not afraid to share their opinions 00:39:28.600 --> 00:39:30.820 and concerns and really that's what they want. 00:39:30.820 --> 00:39:32.520 That's why they're here. 00:39:32.520 --> 00:39:35.200 So we have appointed right now nine members. 00:39:35.200 --> 00:39:38.480 We've got two more appointees that are pending. 00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:39.480 So that'll make 11. 00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:40.720 So I think we've got a good group. 00:39:40.720 --> 00:39:44.520 I think we're pretty much set on that steering committee. 00:39:44.520 --> 00:39:47.800 That first meeting was June 23rd. 00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:49.640 Their purpose was to provide feedback. 00:39:49.640 --> 00:39:56.720 So our consultant group really talked to the steering committee about what they heard at 00:39:56.720 --> 00:39:59.160 that first round of listening sessions to validate that information. 00:39:59.160 --> 00:40:00.520 Does this sound right to you? 00:40:00.520 --> 00:40:01.840 Does this not sound right? 00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:03.720 What would you add to it? 00:40:03.720 --> 00:40:06.840 And so they got a lot of good feedback then. 00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:08.400 They're going to meet at key milestones. 00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:13.160 They're going to meet again on the 25th before the visioning. 00:40:13.160 --> 00:40:15.740 And we want them to talk and share. 00:40:15.740 --> 00:40:22.840 We also want them to attend public meetings and really talk up the plan out in the community. 00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:26.340 They did choose the logo, which I think is a great logo. 00:40:26.340 --> 00:40:30.200 We really put the consultant group through the paces on the logo. 00:40:30.200 --> 00:40:35.120 We made them fix and change and do this and try that. 00:40:35.120 --> 00:40:41.080 And then we gave the steering committee like nine options and then a lot of options for 00:40:41.080 --> 00:40:42.080 taglines. 00:40:42.080 --> 00:40:44.340 And they said, oh, no, we need to do more. 00:40:44.340 --> 00:40:51.940 So they said, put in more roots because the community has tremendously deep roots. 00:40:51.940 --> 00:40:55.540 We talked to residents who are like, this is where my grandfather lived and I played 00:40:55.540 --> 00:40:57.600 in my friend's house down the street. 00:40:57.600 --> 00:41:00.900 So the roots run really deep in Southeast Denton. 00:41:00.900 --> 00:41:02.320 So that was really important to them. 00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:06.520 They also modified the tagline, which I think is great. 00:41:06.520 --> 00:41:11.080 And we're going to put that on everything we can. 00:41:11.080 --> 00:41:15.920 You have a little bottle of water and we put a sticker on it. 00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:22.200 And so branding is ready and we're going to start moving forward with that. 00:41:22.200 --> 00:41:24.500 So final upcoming events. 00:41:24.500 --> 00:41:28.080 We have a visioning workshop on August 26th. 00:41:28.080 --> 00:41:29.480 That is at American Legion. 00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:32.160 That is intended to have hands-on exercises. 00:41:32.160 --> 00:41:37.800 So now we're getting to those maybe more typical planning exercises that you see where we're 00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:43.160 talking about where they're giving us preferences and talking about what do you want your streets 00:41:43.160 --> 00:41:46.840 to look like and what kind of housing would you like to see and what would you like in 00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:47.840 the park. 00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:53.160 So we're going to start talking about more of those real actionable items. 00:41:53.160 --> 00:41:56.460 It's from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. on on that day. 00:41:56.460 --> 00:41:58.040 You don't have to stay for four hours. 00:41:58.040 --> 00:41:59.040 It's a come and go. 00:41:59.040 --> 00:42:00.040 There will be two presentations. 00:42:00.040 --> 00:42:01.840 There are 30 minute presentations. 00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:05.360 So if you can try to be there to catch a presentation. 00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:08.640 Mia said you have homework. 00:42:08.640 --> 00:42:11.280 You each have five flyers. 00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:20.000 I am challenging you to pass out five flyers to five individuals and then ask me for more. 00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:26.880 So I want we want to get as much as many people out as possible. 00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:31.360 I think Mia and I are going to be at the MLK Center on Friday night handing out flyers 00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:35.680 to parents as they as they drop off kids to the back to school event. 00:42:35.680 --> 00:42:38.760 So we're trying to get the kids. 00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:42.960 And then as I mentioned the steering committee are going to are going to be meeting the evening 00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:43.960 before. 00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:51.560 And then finally these are in somewhat order and we don't have specific dates but I did 00:42:51.560 --> 00:42:54.560 want to give you just kind of next steps and what the expectation is. 00:42:54.560 --> 00:42:55.560 So Tina is right. 00:42:55.560 --> 00:42:59.880 We really are trying to come to you and give you some information as the project moves 00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:00.880 along. 00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:04.960 So when when you get to the end there's not all this new information that you're going 00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:06.080 to be familiar with it. 00:43:06.080 --> 00:43:12.000 So after the visioning our consultant group is going to be providing us with some current 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:14.240 conditions assessment and analysis. 00:43:14.240 --> 00:43:15.240 We're going to be giving feedback. 00:43:15.240 --> 00:43:18.280 We'll also be getting that out to the community. 00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:24.680 There's going to be joint PNZ and council workshops akin to what you recently had. 00:43:24.680 --> 00:43:27.400 They're going to provide those draft implementation strategies. 00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:29.160 They'll be online engagement. 00:43:29.160 --> 00:43:33.720 They'll be we're going to be providing all of this information at a community open house. 00:43:33.720 --> 00:43:38.800 And as I mentioned we're going to provide these staff updates throughout the process. 00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:40.400 That really concludes our presentation. 00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:46.080 If you have any questions Tina if I miss something jump on in now I was going to say both ladies 00:43:46.080 --> 00:43:47.920 you did a fabulous job with the presentation. 00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:55.320 I guess Julie if I could have you go back to the the process line the one with the boxes 00:43:55.320 --> 00:44:01.600 on it that had implementation at the end. 00:44:01.600 --> 00:44:07.040 So we were talking with the team earlier this morning and in one of the things we realized 00:44:07.040 --> 00:44:12.120 is that several on the commission may not have been through this kind of area plan process. 00:44:12.120 --> 00:44:16.320 So just wanted to take a moment and I thought Mia did a great job explaining that but just 00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:21.280 to kind of reaffirm how these plans work and especially the process for them because we 00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:24.440 talk to people about you know trust the process that we've put in place. 00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:30.120 So it's note that you know each one of these phases built upon the next right. 00:44:30.120 --> 00:44:36.040 So you know like like Mia described earlier we have to do the fact finding mission first. 00:44:36.040 --> 00:44:39.480 We pull all the data that we can that's available. 00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:46.120 We also do stakeholder interviews and to keep people within within the community. 00:44:46.120 --> 00:44:50.580 Many times there's you know we've we develop a list behind the scenes of who we're trying 00:44:50.580 --> 00:44:54.440 to make sure that we get feedback from that we talk to that we get our consultant team 00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:59.560 engaged with so that they get good strong information from from the start right. 00:44:59.560 --> 00:45:02.640 And that's with any of the three area plans that we have going on. 00:45:02.640 --> 00:45:06.160 So we have to do first of all that fact finding mission right. 00:45:06.160 --> 00:45:09.880 Then you know you take all the data and all the research that we pull together you take 00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:14.120 all of the conversations that we've had especially like on this project we started with the listening 00:45:14.120 --> 00:45:15.320 sessions right. 00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:19.320 So our consultant team and staff is learning we're hearing things from the community right 00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.280 we're asking them pointed questions to get that feedback. 00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:26.680 So all of that provides the foundation for which we're starting the project and we take 00:45:26.680 --> 00:45:31.640 all of that and we start to identify you know initial items you know coming forward the 00:45:31.640 --> 00:45:37.240 key themes that are resonating you know is there a uniqueness associated in the data. 00:45:37.240 --> 00:45:42.880 What are we hearing from the community and and then we do you know further engagement 00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:47.720 to try and pull more information out because we all of that information that we receive 00:45:47.720 --> 00:45:51.440 starts to identify those challenges and opportunities right. 00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:56.480 Some might say the strengths weaknesses opportunities and threats right with within within a project 00:45:56.480 --> 00:46:02.920 area but we take all of that information and then we start working on OK what is the plan 00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:06.640 that needs to be put forth and that we need to draft. 00:46:06.640 --> 00:46:08.760 You know we've got all this information here. 00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:13.360 So what's the plan need to address these were the challenges that we've heard. 00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:16.760 We know we have these opportunities that are out there but these opportunities might be 00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:19.040 hindered by some of the challenges that are identified. 00:46:19.040 --> 00:46:23.160 So how do we make those two work together instead of working against each other. 00:46:23.160 --> 00:46:27.880 How we put we start to to culminate that first draft right. 00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:31.320 Then we typically will put that back out in the community and say OK here's what we've 00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:32.320 come up with. 00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:36.200 Do you feel like this is addressing what we've heard right. 00:46:36.200 --> 00:46:38.600 Are you comfortable with what we're proposing right. 00:46:38.600 --> 00:46:40.400 Are we getting this right. 00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:43.200 Are there any areas that you're hearing any concern about. 00:46:43.200 --> 00:46:47.680 But we take that feedback then and then we put more the polishing touches on the plan 00:46:47.680 --> 00:46:51.640 and then we start to think about all the strategies then that come into play from an implementation 00:46:51.640 --> 00:46:56.480 standpoint and because and because we want to make sure that whatever plan we put in 00:46:56.480 --> 00:47:00.360 place that the strategies that we've identified those action items they're going to help this 00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:02.360 plan come to fruition. 00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:07.160 But I want to emphasize that because like I said each process builds upon the next. 00:47:07.160 --> 00:47:10.880 There will be times where we'll have conversations you know we've got joint PNZ and council meeting 00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:11.880 here on this one. 00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:14.760 There will be times where we're going to try to pull the groups together. 00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:21.120 We do that also to be able to help with disseminating information out to the group so that so that 00:47:21.120 --> 00:47:22.600 you get it all at once. 00:47:22.600 --> 00:47:26.400 If there's key direction that's needed let's face it council is the policy decision makers 00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:31.120 right and provides that direction then everybody is hearing what what that direction is. 00:47:31.120 --> 00:47:34.960 So we're trying to build the plan throughout and make sure we've got the right players 00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:39.720 in place because last thing I want to get to is adoption and like for example have the 00:47:39.720 --> 00:47:43.280 planning and zoning commission on and council on two different spectrums right. 00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:46.560 We don't want to have to go back and redo all the work that we've just done. 00:47:46.560 --> 00:47:51.080 So but same with utilizing the steering committee the steering committee is able to help us 00:47:51.080 --> 00:47:56.580 validate information challenges also in the information that we're presenting if there's 00:47:56.580 --> 00:48:00.240 something that they feel that we're not addressing or that we're missing that we're getting that 00:48:00.240 --> 00:48:01.760 feedback right. 00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:05.760 But ultimately we want to get to a plan adoption. 00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:10.280 Not everybody is usually happy in the end on these there are a lot of times there we're 00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:14.480 trying to look to find the common ground on these with any area plan project that work 00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:15.480 on. 00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:19.160 But the key thing is we want to get to implementation because implementation where the rubber hits 00:48:19.160 --> 00:48:24.560 the road right that's when we're able to start really working on those action items to help 00:48:24.560 --> 00:48:27.720 that plan come to fruition right. 00:48:27.720 --> 00:48:32.440 This plan might take us 20 years to get there but we have to start somewhere right. 00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:36.840 So this plan gives us the roadmap division of what we're trying to achieve for the area 00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:41.840 with the community's assistant and in this plan this will not be something that's just 00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:44.520 owned by the planning department here at the city of Dunton. 00:48:44.520 --> 00:48:47.280 There are other key players that are involved in this whether there are other departments 00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:50.680 that are involved here at the city of Dunton or potentially other organizations. 00:48:50.680 --> 00:48:55.560 And so we try to identify who those partners are that we're working with in these efforts. 00:48:55.560 --> 00:49:01.520 So I just I wanted to you know get kind of that's the planning tool one version if you 00:49:01.520 --> 00:49:07.200 will just on how these plans work why we have this process why you'll see the process is 00:49:07.200 --> 00:49:12.080 a little similar amongst the area plans but we also we we articulate them and we refine 00:49:12.080 --> 00:49:16.920 them based upon what the project is one of the things I can't recall if Mia mentioned 00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:20.760 this or not but we used to have you know when we originally put together the scope of work 00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:24.920 on the Southeast Denton plan one of the items we had in there was a design charrette well 00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:28.680 usually a design charrette you get folks together and they start providing feedback maybe you're 00:49:28.680 --> 00:49:33.480 looking at a specific area maybe looking at some sort of concept that's coming about of 00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:37.200 how an area could evolve and develop well one of the concerns from the consultant team 00:49:37.200 --> 00:49:41.640 is look if we go out and do a design charrette that results in some sort of plan that shows 00:49:41.640 --> 00:49:45.240 how development could happen in this particular area you know that's not going to be well 00:49:45.240 --> 00:49:48.760 received by the community because the community will think it's just one more thing of development 00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:55.240 happening in Southeast Denton right and and we know we have development interest in Southeast 00:49:55.240 --> 00:50:00.920 Denton we have properties that have interest in by developers wanting to develop them we 00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:04.400 have current landowners who own those properties who have interest in potentially wanting to 00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:09.360 develop them but if we come forth with a design a plan that was a result of a design charrette 00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:14.480 then then that may not be as well received in that that might be viewed as well that's 00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:18.840 just another way the city's trying to get development in Southeast Denton right so it's 00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:23.000 you know we're very cognizant of those kind of conversations and the feedback being received 00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:28.960 so hence why we have adjust our plan process we've removed the design charrette and so 00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:33.120 in and we're working with our consultant on identifying okay what are some adjustments 00:50:33.120 --> 00:50:37.200 maybe that we need to have in the plan document the one thing that I have challenged him with 00:50:37.200 --> 00:50:41.000 and I've told him is like at the end I still need a future land use map so if we have a 00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:46.720 plan that really focuses on community engagement housing choices what that might look like 00:50:46.720 --> 00:50:51.400 where development would occur at the end of the day I still need a future land use map 00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:56.080 to help my decision-making authorities when when we do get requests for rezoning or if 00:50:56.080 --> 00:51:00.880 the city decides decides to change some of the zoning within the area that that is a 00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:08.520 component of the plan and so when we get to implementation we can work on that aspect 00:51:08.520 --> 00:51:14.860 the other aspect is remember this project area it's about 600 acres yes so in in so 00:51:14.860 --> 00:51:18.960 many times we have a tendency to hone in on one particular or two particular groups of 00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:23.160 people that are providing much feedback but remember we and the other thing I'll add is 00:51:23.160 --> 00:51:27.000 these boundaries they're still being massaged and trying to figure out what these boundaries 00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:31.200 of this plan area is part of our community workshop engagement activities is to help 00:51:31.200 --> 00:51:35.080 figure out from the community okay when you think of Southeast Denton what do you think 00:51:35.080 --> 00:51:40.360 Southeast Denton is right what property is what areas are included so we that that's 00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:44.560 going to be part of that that engagement effort but like I said it includes 600 acres those 00:51:44.560 --> 00:51:52.840 600 acres are represented by property owners business owners organizations that are there 00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:56.920 you know the city we're a stakeholder within the project area but we're really trying to 00:51:56.920 --> 00:52:04.600 hear from all and you know not just 20 or 25 people that might normally be spokespersons 00:52:04.600 --> 00:52:09.080 for the area but trying to hear from all persons that are there especially hence you know the 00:52:09.080 --> 00:52:14.160 adjustment in the public engagement we realized we were not hearing from the younger demographic 00:52:14.160 --> 00:52:19.000 within in our public engagement so hence why we retooled and went back out a second time 00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:23.600 we know we weren't reaching the Spanish-speaking community hence why we retooled and took translators 00:52:23.600 --> 00:52:28.600 out there with us to try engage because we know we have a large Hispanic population that 00:52:28.600 --> 00:52:32.560 is within the Southeast Denton area and if we don't have a means to communicate with 00:52:32.560 --> 00:52:36.800 folks who were English is not their primary language then we need to adjust our methods 00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:40.680 on trying to get their feedback but we also need to put a plan in place that helps address 00:52:40.680 --> 00:52:47.780 everybody's future who has a stake within this as well the last thing and I know we'll 00:52:47.780 --> 00:52:52.440 put this presentation out there and send it to you so you have it we put all of this information 00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:58.040 out on discuss Denton Julie and Mia I mean these two ladies are found in pavement and 00:52:58.040 --> 00:53:03.200 really trying to help with getting the word out and get people engaged I can't be more 00:53:03.200 --> 00:53:06.440 proud of the work and everything that they've done they've drug other planners along with 00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:11.020 them I know Sean's been out in the heat with them I think Bryce and Cameron and Ashley 00:53:11.020 --> 00:53:15.200 Erin I think was in the photo these women have really worked hard to try and get the 00:53:15.200 --> 00:53:19.960 public engagement and the feedback that's out there but but to that point though you 00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:24.480 know if people have questions about what's happening on this project direct them to discuss 00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:28.640 Denton we are so transparent we're trying to put everything out there so that people 00:53:28.640 --> 00:53:31.840 have access to all the information one of the things we've heard in Southeast Denton 00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:37.680 is well I don't want I don't like using technology okay you know then tell people call this planning 00:53:37.680 --> 00:53:42.280 department here's a phone number ask for Julie Mia if you can't get in touch with them ask 00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:48.080 for me or any of the other planners right I need you all to help them help people within 00:53:48.080 --> 00:53:51.760 the community get in touch with my team if they're not interested or not comfortable 00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:55.960 with going out to look at discuss Denton or maybe they looked at discuss Denton and they 00:53:55.960 --> 00:54:00.240 don't understand the information that's out there so please direct them to contact my 00:54:00.240 --> 00:54:06.800 team and the last thing and I promise I'll be quiet but is Julie if you could go to the 00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:14.880 key themes and then I believe after that was the the hope for the future. 00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:19.080 So again so if you go back to key themes I would encourage you go back and take a look 00:54:19.080 --> 00:54:23.400 at these and you know the team's done a great job pulling this together some of this we 00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:27.640 anticipated I mean when you think about we've got the whole neighborhood torn up with infrastructure 00:54:27.640 --> 00:54:32.400 projects going on I expected to hear streets being an issue we know we've had this meeting 00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:36.880 on some of the streets I expected that to come up and I wanted to clarify something 00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:41.440 that Julie said earlier we did not purposely schedule the listening sessions to sync up 00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:46.840 when the tech statements were coming out that was purely coincidental because our consultant 00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:51.360 team was like wow we're getting a lot of comments about this particular issue in the tax fears 00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:55.720 and people's taxes going up and then it dawned on us it's like oh hey we all got our tax 00:54:55.720 --> 00:55:01.200 bills in the mail and so but so we expected that once we realized it's like okay it makes 00:55:01.200 --> 00:55:04.900 sense now it's what what are the things that are happening in the community right there 00:55:04.900 --> 00:55:09.480 and then that that we heard coming out of that engagement but I think more importantly 00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:15.240 it's the next slide because this helps provide some of the foundation for as we as we work 00:55:15.240 --> 00:55:18.820 towards putting the plan in place you know earlier I said each phase builds upon the 00:55:18.820 --> 00:55:23.720 next so what we're hearing here from on this slide helps us with developing our plan for 00:55:23.720 --> 00:55:27.920 the future so again would encourage you go back take a look at this again our goal is 00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:33.320 to help consolidate that knowledge gap so when we get to key points within the decision 00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:38.880 making process you all are better informed as Julie mentioned the entire slide deck and 00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:43.120 the results from all of the engagement efforts we're waiting on some of the pieces from the 00:55:43.120 --> 00:55:47.120 listening sessions around to we'll make sure that we put that out there but we're trying 00:55:47.120 --> 00:55:50.920 to be as transparent as possible putting all of that information out there so that that 00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:54.920 the community is seeing this data and this information that's coming out just like we 00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:59.800 are so I'll get off my planning soapbox now so thank you. 00:55:59.800 --> 00:56:05.000 Thank you Tina and Julie and Mia Commissioner McDade. 00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:06.000 Thank you chair. 00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:13.040 I first I have I have a comment then I have a question at the beginning of Mia's presentation 00:56:13.040 --> 00:56:20.880 she talked about trust and I've talked to some of the individual or some of the residents 00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:26.920 and right now the trust is being the lack of trust is being replaced with fear from 00:56:26.920 --> 00:56:32.800 that simple fact is the Denver Chronicle had the article about the northeast development 00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:38.860 plan and pretty much let out that the citizens are thinking that the city is not listening 00:56:38.860 --> 00:56:45.640 to the residents that fear is already at that fear is already in Southeast Denton and now 00:56:45.640 --> 00:56:55.760 it's ten times more and then because of you know because of that article and I've tried 00:56:55.760 --> 00:57:01.200 to tell them I mean you let's separate the two let's not judge whatever's gonna happen 00:57:01.200 --> 00:57:06.640 in Southeast Denton to what went on in the northeast of a plan so that that's one of 00:57:06.640 --> 00:57:13.000 the fears right now the second is the question I have is do you have a list of the members 00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:17.400 of the steering committee because right now I'm getting all the phone calls I'm getting 00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:22.920 the knocks on the door and I'm like if I can get the list of the steering committee I can 00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:27.000 let you talk to them one-on-one instead of me trying but I don't even have a list of 00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:31.960 the steering committee we can yeah we can get that in and because we've got also that 00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:37.600 in the council packet we can post that AIS also when folks have gotten appointed because 00:57:37.600 --> 00:57:41.680 we've got a couple more that we're adding you know I wanted to address so um so the 00:57:41.680 --> 00:57:45.900 Denton record Chronicle you know we work hard on trying to provide them with factual 00:57:45.900 --> 00:57:48.920 information but at the end of the day they're gonna write what they're gonna write right 00:57:48.920 --> 00:57:53.160 so you know there there are folks that they're talking to within the community of course 00:57:53.160 --> 00:57:58.080 trying to get their feedback so I would ask you also though to fact-check with us and 00:57:58.080 --> 00:58:02.880 with what's being published you know as these are two different projects what's happening 00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:06.960 in Northeast Denton is different than what's happening in Southeast and I and Christian 00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:11.440 and I've actually had that conversation in the past because one of the times we had he 00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:16.040 did an article earlier on about Southeast Denton and he was really questioning our process 00:58:16.040 --> 00:58:21.400 and why we weren't doing the same exact engagement efforts in Southeast Denton as we were in 00:58:21.400 --> 00:58:25.800 Northeast Denton and we really had to drive home to him that the only two things that 00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:30.480 these projects really have in common is that they're called an area plan but those area 00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:36.080 plans are customized based upon the project area the issues within the community that 00:58:36.080 --> 00:58:40.440 are happening you know what what the process and efforts that are applied in one area of 00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:44.760 town are not necessarily the same process and efforts that are best to be used in another 00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:49.800 area of town you'll find that when we work on the downtown area plan that will take a 00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:53.560 different approach potentially with how we engage the community the order of which we 00:58:53.560 --> 00:58:58.880 engage the community the types of activities that we do within the community because we 00:58:58.880 --> 00:59:04.360 have different users of the area within the community is it's you know it's I know there 00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:07.880 there's tries to be parallels drawn between the Northeast plan and the Southeast plan 00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:12.200 because some of the members of the team the consultant team are the same but those teams 00:59:12.200 --> 00:59:16.280 are not exactly the same those teams have been built based upon what the unique issues 00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:21.000 are within the community if people are fearful about what's potentially happening as it relates 00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:24.880 to the Southeast Denton area plan or even the Northeast didn't plan as I've told them 00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:28.400 is there more than welcome to contact me and talk with us they're also welcome to talk 00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:32.560 with anybody on my team who's involved in this there are some who think that there's 00:59:32.560 --> 00:59:37.760 a predetermined outcome is what the plan is going to say in with any of the area plans 00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:43.720 that that is not the case I can assure you of that we might have some ideas that might 00:59:43.720 --> 00:59:49.640 that we started with at the beginning that may eventually prove themselves as we work 00:59:49.640 --> 00:59:55.880 on these projects or those ideas may be further determined to be the wrong ideas for the area 00:59:55.880 --> 01:00:00.800 that that's why we goes through such engage extensive public engagement as it relates 01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:06.640 to these projects so you know I think anytime you read anything online or anything that's 01:00:06.640 --> 01:00:12.440 published right I'm always you know fact check right reach out to us if there are any questions 01:00:12.440 --> 01:00:18.600 on that you know and then the the other thing you know you mentioned it it's keep these 01:00:18.600 --> 01:00:22.040 projects separate keep all three of these projects separate for that matter you know 01:00:22.040 --> 01:00:25.460 one of the narratives that were that we're having to work through right now is that there 01:00:25.460 --> 01:00:32.040 are some who think that that we are trying to expand downtown into Southeast Denton right 01:00:32.040 --> 01:00:36.520 we know that that narrative is out there that's not necessarily the case that's why we want 01:00:36.520 --> 01:00:40.080 to hear from the community what do you consider Southeast Denton right what do you consider 01:00:40.080 --> 01:00:46.440 parts of downtown you know that area around the rail station right is is is an area that 01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:50.920 we're interested in hearing from the community as what what part of town do you think that 01:00:50.920 --> 01:00:55.320 is or maybe it's really not a part of either town areas of our town and maybe it's a third 01:00:55.320 --> 01:00:58.800 area you know who knows what we're going to hear from the community but but the other 01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:02.920 thing is that we need to think about is downtown can also provide for some opportunities that 01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:08.600 benefit residents without within Southeast Denton I would love it for residents of Southeast 01:01:08.600 --> 01:01:13.040 Denton to be able to find downtown and inviting place where they feel like they're welcome 01:01:13.040 --> 01:01:16.840 and can come to some of what we heard in the public engagement is that they don't feel 01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:22.480 welcome in downtown well why is that right so so those those are some of the challenges 01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:26.480 and that we're having to work through as it as it relates to both of these so you know 01:01:26.480 --> 01:01:30.160 that we know that that narrative is out there but I can assure you you know we're not coming 01:01:30.160 --> 01:01:35.180 into this with any preconceived plans already developed that is not the case and and I can't 01:01:35.180 --> 01:01:36.480 emphasize that enough. 01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:46.880 I just wanted to address Tina you know you talk about what's considered downtown it was 01:01:46.880 --> 01:01:50.760 actually brought to a setting a meeting that you know where they build in the railroad 01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:55.600 apartments I think that's the track yes you know we're told you know the neighbor was 01:01:55.600 --> 01:02:01.000 told you know the city has already deemed this area as is no longer Southeast Denton 01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:06.600 it's downtown so that so that narrative is out there and it just building that the more 01:02:06.600 --> 01:02:12.080 the more you creep into Southeast Denton the more that narratives are going away and it's 01:02:12.080 --> 01:02:18.280 becoming downtown that that's the fear because the whole time Trinity was there it was downtown 01:02:18.280 --> 01:02:24.000 I mean it was North Southeast Denton now that there is a housing structure there well it's 01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:28.000 no longer Southeast Denton we're going to call it downtown so that was actually brought 01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:30.120 from a city official. 01:02:30.120 --> 01:02:35.840 Well and I think part so and I think part of the challenge with that area being now 01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:40.680 dubbed as downtown and I had this conversation with the city official and some others as 01:02:40.680 --> 01:02:46.720 well and even the Dunn record Chronicle because Julie and I had a conversation with them some 01:02:46.720 --> 01:02:53.040 of the challenge in the narrative behind the scenes is so we have the downtown tax increment 01:02:53.040 --> 01:02:58.000 reinvestment zone it's the downtown TERS right so if you were to look at a map of all of 01:02:58.000 --> 01:03:02.520 the properties that are within the downtown TERS that map if my resources are correctly 01:03:02.520 --> 01:03:07.720 it goes east and west it goes and it pulls in that area around the train station right 01:03:07.720 --> 01:03:11.680 it doesn't run north and south like our past planning efforts have done so there's this 01:03:11.680 --> 01:03:16.080 challenge in the narrative of you know you look at the downtown TERS plan that we did 01:03:16.080 --> 01:03:20.560 or assuming the D tip plan that we did and the past master plan and you look at those 01:03:20.560 --> 01:03:24.680 boundaries and how they're drawn those boundaries are different than the TERS district boundaries 01:03:24.680 --> 01:03:29.720 and how they were drawn and so to me that just leads into part of the the challenging 01:03:29.720 --> 01:03:33.560 part of the conversation of well is this area really downtown is it part of Southeast Denton 01:03:33.560 --> 01:03:39.080 you look at the old area plan that was done in the 1960s for Southeast who's 60s or newer 01:03:39.080 --> 01:03:44.240 than that was no it was it was in the 90s I believe 90s okay sorry I will off there 01:03:44.240 --> 01:03:48.360 okay but but there was an older plan that was done for Southeast Denton you know you'll 01:03:48.360 --> 01:03:52.680 look at the boundaries that was drawn of the original Southeast Denton that was part of 01:03:52.680 --> 01:03:57.040 the basis for where we started with some of the boundaries that we drew on here but areas 01:03:57.040 --> 01:04:02.080 evolve it within cities times evolve right and so you know we have to be able to respond 01:04:02.080 --> 01:04:06.360 to those conditions so you know and that's why we're interested in hearing from the community 01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:09.760 you know today those people who live within the community do you really consider that 01:04:09.760 --> 01:04:14.520 area around the rail station as part of Southeast Denton do you really could view it as part 01:04:14.520 --> 01:04:18.600 of downtown or do you really think it's kind of disconnected and not really part of either 01:04:18.600 --> 01:04:23.560 by their area but that's why we do this engagement but I know that turs map because Christian 01:04:23.560 --> 01:04:28.160 I were talking about in Julie it we realized that our economic our director of economic 01:04:28.160 --> 01:04:32.960 development had given a presentation to council and in his presentation was that map there 01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:37.720 was also a map that showed about possibly expanding the turs boundaries farther south 01:04:37.720 --> 01:04:44.520 and in so those boundaries of that particular map don't sync up with boundaries of our past 01:04:44.520 --> 01:04:49.400 downtown plan which don't sync up with boundaries of our past Southeast Denton area plans so 01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:54.080 you know since so hence why the community so confused as to what each area of town is 01:04:54.080 --> 01:04:59.280 right because the information that's out there is what it is you know lastly I would add 01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:04.320 you know on the on the turs I think what people don't necessarily realize and is that properties 01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:09.080 that are included within the tax increment financing district you try and go and capture 01:05:09.080 --> 01:05:15.040 properties have that have the potential for improvement value over time any properties 01:05:15.040 --> 01:05:20.360 that are within those district boundaries as the property value increases within that 01:05:20.360 --> 01:05:26.080 boundary right then that incremental increase those monies are specifically typically ear 01:05:26.080 --> 01:05:31.720 march for that area so you know so if the turs district boundary was expanded to include 01:05:31.720 --> 01:05:36.200 some other areas that might normally not be considered part of downtown let's say we went 01:05:36.200 --> 01:05:41.380 and grabbed some land you know some areas north of the traditional downtown area those 01:05:41.380 --> 01:05:45.960 properties benefit from any of that incremental revenue that can be invested back on those 01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:50.440 so you know so you know I ask people keep an open mind but again if they've got questions 01:05:50.440 --> 01:05:54.680 concerns that's why we're here as subject matter experts for people to be able to reach 01:05:54.680 --> 01:06:01.020 out to okay just one last question but this for either you or on that the thing coming 01:06:01.020 --> 01:06:06.440 up you know you say you can reach out to Tina yourself or Mia I mean they all have if they 01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:11.840 wanted to go online what actually will they look under discussed in or your numbers on 01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:17.520 our discussed in or there are certain page that they can go to or maybe at this workshop 01:06:17.520 --> 01:06:23.080 you can give them the information that they need absolutely so discussed in on that home 01:06:23.080 --> 01:06:29.080 page landing page of discussed it and there's right now I think it's a map of just those 01:06:29.080 --> 01:06:33.200 conceptual boundaries of the plan I think we're gonna replace that with the logo because 01:06:33.200 --> 01:06:39.680 we love it so much but the logos on logos there all of your contact information is there 01:06:39.680 --> 01:06:46.120 is there there's a yeah you can sign up to get updates it's well done so yeah discuss 01:06:46.120 --> 01:06:53.640 them yeah we do realize a lot of members of the community are just they don't want to 01:06:53.640 --> 01:06:57.560 go to a website to find information so yes feel free to give out my information I can 01:06:57.560 --> 01:07:01.680 give you a stack of cards I can give them to the steering committee and and members 01:07:01.680 --> 01:07:07.040 of the community can contact us so yeah we're here to help all right thank you and yeah 01:07:07.040 --> 01:07:10.600 and then just keep the communication going and make sure they see this presentation too 01:07:10.600 --> 01:07:15.320 if they have concerns about that article that you mentioned you know it just shows that 01:07:15.320 --> 01:07:20.680 I mean as Tina said every plan is unique and that is how the city is approaching it so 01:07:20.680 --> 01:07:25.160 yeah we just need to keep keep talking about that and communicating them putting that out 01:07:25.160 --> 01:07:31.680 there and showing them you know yeah okay great yeah especially in southeast end we 01:07:31.680 --> 01:07:40.400 do know that yeah Commissioner Pruitt did you have a question thank you I will attempt 01:07:40.400 --> 01:07:45.360 to be very short on the process slide you had a thing on there that was public meeting 01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:49.600 with PNZ and council and then there was a separate workshop I just trying to make sure 01:07:49.600 --> 01:07:54.480 I understand what the process is are those two separate things is it the bottom of the 01:07:54.480 --> 01:08:05.320 purple in the middle yes so that it is you know I don't I don't I don't know if we met 01:08:05.320 --> 01:08:10.120 the same thing on that I apologize I'm sure there will be plenty of announcements there 01:08:10.120 --> 01:08:16.240 will be the joint workshops as well as those joint meetings to make sure that we stay on 01:08:16.240 --> 01:08:20.560 on track with the plan and that we're getting to good direction sounds great I'll just say 01:08:20.560 --> 01:08:27.560 gold star I'm really looking forward to seeing kind of what the output is one thing I will 01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:34.600 say that you mentioned there was a lot of talk about gentrification fears and displacement 01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:39.120 I think it would help me and I imagine it would help the rest of the body when we get 01:08:39.120 --> 01:08:46.160 further along down that road if the concerns can be more clearly defined to what their 01:08:46.160 --> 01:08:53.360 fears are my impression is that gentrification is a term that is kind of like a pinata that 01:08:53.360 --> 01:08:57.780 people put the candy in that they don't like and then you seal it up and you're not really 01:08:57.780 --> 01:09:06.280 sure what's in it if that makes sense absolutely and go ahead go ahead well I just and so like 01:09:06.280 --> 01:09:13.200 I said this is kind of a summary of what we've heard we're going to be getting a much fuller 01:09:13.200 --> 01:09:18.520 presentation from the from the consultant that takes those key themes and actually gives 01:09:18.520 --> 01:09:23.760 maybe more supporting more information related to it so we'll make sure that we have that 01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:28.680 and if it does if we don't have that what we can get it right because related to that 01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:34.240 like one of the things our consultant team has brought to us is that is that people with 01:09:34.240 --> 01:09:38.600 that they have talked to that we've heard through through our public engagement several 01:09:38.600 --> 01:09:43.440 are actually interested in development happening in southeast denton right but then it's okay 01:09:43.440 --> 01:09:49.560 how does that development occur in southeast denton and what what strategies can we help 01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:56.520 put in place to alleviate the concerned about property tax increase and into our team's 01:09:56.520 --> 01:10:02.760 credit we we did a we had a meeting several months ago or I shouldn't say so like times 01:10:02.760 --> 01:10:06.660 getting away from you probably two months ago but we had but we had official officials 01:10:06.660 --> 01:10:10.280 there from the central appraisal district and I was like oh do I want to sit next to 01:10:10.280 --> 01:10:14.840 you all and pick your brains and I sat at their table and and we were I mean everybody 01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:19.320 at our table and our consultant also we were trying to understand okay what tools do you 01:10:19.320 --> 01:10:23.480 all have in your tool chest to be able to help us with as we work through trying to 01:10:23.480 --> 01:10:27.200 address some of these concerns and what we learned is you know just like our authority 01:10:27.200 --> 01:10:31.800 comes from the state government and what's in the state statutes right so does theirs 01:10:31.800 --> 01:10:37.560 and and they have an obligation to assess properties in response to market conditions 01:10:37.560 --> 01:10:42.680 right so they're not exactly the the favorite organization come every april when it's they 01:10:42.680 --> 01:10:48.300 send us their their the tax statement right but but they they're their responsibilities 01:10:48.300 --> 01:10:52.400 and their job tasks are outlined in state statutes right you know those individuals 01:10:52.400 --> 01:10:55.480 they're just doing their jobs right they're they're doing it based upon what the state 01:10:55.480 --> 01:11:00.960 of texas directs them to do and so so we were really trying to pick their brain of 01:11:00.960 --> 01:11:06.320 okay what what all options are available in your tool chest that we can use to be able 01:11:06.320 --> 01:11:13.560 to help maybe put some strategies in place to help help with minimizing that property 01:11:13.560 --> 01:11:18.360 tax growth or alleviating that property tax growth or if they do go up you know what what 01:11:18.360 --> 01:11:22.480 options do we have that we can be able to implement I've also challenged him this was 01:11:22.480 --> 01:11:26.760 kind of interesting so I challenged him I said you know what do you all hear from others 01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:30.840 you know within your profession right you know presumably you go to your related conferences 01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:35.560 right and you learn from others and what successful tools and tactics are being done in your profession 01:11:35.560 --> 01:11:40.500 maybe there's something that we can you know learn from some other states and employ here 01:11:40.500 --> 01:11:45.080 in in texas and with our project and they told us that texas is actually the gold star 01:11:45.080 --> 01:11:50.720 is the gold standard in in that and I was like really but but I'm like help me understand 01:11:50.720 --> 01:11:56.800 more so you know the way we do things in texas apparently is held in high regard and compared 01:11:56.800 --> 01:12:01.520 to the way people do business in some other states because like here you know we get an 01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:05.560 annual property tax assessment I'm still trying to understand of how that all comes together 01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:11.320 myself but but we get an annual statement right in other parts of our country they don't 01:12:11.320 --> 01:12:17.440 necessarily get an annual statement that you know it might be once every so many years 01:12:17.440 --> 01:12:21.880 so when when they say we're the gold standard then I'm like okay well I can start to understand 01:12:21.880 --> 01:12:28.160 why why others want to achieve in with what we're doing here in our state so it's I thought 01:12:28.160 --> 01:12:31.820 that was an interesting nugget that we were the gold star in in terms of their industry 01:12:31.820 --> 01:12:36.280 and and and others are trying to learn from us so but like I said know that we've really 01:12:36.280 --> 01:12:40.680 challenged it and we're trying to learn what options are available you know if we come 01:12:40.680 --> 01:12:45.120 up with some ideas that could potentially be beneficial for residents within Dunton it might 01:12:45.120 --> 01:12:50.120 be something that has to where we work with our area representatives and try to influence 01:12:50.120 --> 01:12:54.160 something at the legislature level level so but you know we're we're still putting our 01:12:54.160 --> 01:12:56.920 thinking caps on that one. 01:12:56.920 --> 01:13:02.160 Commissioner Prudt did you have anything else no anyone else okay thank you for this this 01:13:02.160 --> 01:13:08.480 is incredibly helpful we appreciate it well done and keep keep it going excited as it 01:13:08.480 --> 01:13:14.680 develops okay with that that ends our work session I will adjourn us at 6 14 p.m. and 01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:21.720 we will meet in council chambers as close to 6 30 as we can. 01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:24.780 Good evening and welcome to the city of Denton's planning and zoning Commission meeting for 01:13:24.780 --> 01:13:32.360 Wednesday August 9 2023 with a quorum present I will call us to order at 6 37 p.m. let the 01:13:32.360 --> 01:13:38.100 record show that Commissioner Smith is absent first item on our agenda is the Pledge of 01:13:38.100 --> 01:13:46.240 Allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flags I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States 01:13:46.240 --> 01:13:55.240 of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with 01:13:55.240 --> 01:14:02.440 liberty and justice for all under the Texas flag I pledge allegiance to the city of Texas 01:14:02.440 --> 01:14:13.280 state under God one indivisible thank you next on our agenda is consider approval of 01:14:13.280 --> 01:14:18.680 the planning and zoning Commission meeting minutes for July 19 the Commissioner Villarreal 01:14:18.680 --> 01:14:24.980 move approval Commissioner Cole second we've got a first and a second for approval any 01:14:24.980 --> 01:14:38.760 discussion let's vote please 01:14:38.760 --> 01:14:44.680 that motion carries six zero that'll take us to our consent agenda this evening Commissioner 01:14:44.680 --> 01:14:50.440 Villarreal move approval Commissioner Cole second got a first and a second to approve 01:14:50.440 --> 01:15:05.240 the consent agenda any discussion let's vote please 01:15:05.240 --> 01:15:10.720 that motion carries six zero that will take us to our items for individual consideration 01:15:10.720 --> 01:15:22.800 for a is our first item v 23 0004 me is making way up here hello hello chair members of the 01:15:22.800 --> 01:15:32.200 Commission Mia Heinz associate planner this item is a variance request for a property 01:15:32.200 --> 01:15:38.600 located just at the northeast corner of Nottingham Drive and Audre Lane the property is zoned 01:15:38.600 --> 01:15:46.600 mixed use neighborhood the applicant is proposing a 122 unit multifamily residential development 01:15:46.600 --> 01:15:51.400 and the variance is permit is to allow for that development to move forward with only 01:15:51.400 --> 01:15:57.560 one one point of access as opposed to the two points of access that would be required 01:15:57.560 --> 01:16:04.400 by our didn't development code so what we're looking at right now is the design itself 01:16:04.400 --> 01:16:09.440 there's that main drive highlighted in yellow there and the right associated right turning 01:16:09.440 --> 01:16:15.120 lane that's needed to serve that drive ideally what we like to see here is what they're showing 01:16:15.120 --> 01:16:22.160 that drive being aligned directly off or directly across from an existing drive that helps with 01:16:22.160 --> 01:16:28.480 mobility both on the street and if there was any traffic moving in between those two developments 01:16:28.480 --> 01:16:31.960 and so that's what we're dealing with here I also wanted to highlight because it'll come 01:16:31.960 --> 01:16:37.400 into play on some of the options that they provided that there is some ESA and some existing 01:16:37.400 --> 01:16:42.440 tree canopy coverage that creates a bit of a challenge for this site and providing a 01:16:42.440 --> 01:16:46.960 second point of access so the applicant did put in a good faith effort to try to provide 01:16:46.960 --> 01:16:52.480 a second point of access to their proposed development this drive option a would meet 01:16:52.480 --> 01:16:58.120 the transportation design criteria manual spacing of 150 feet from that main drive that 01:16:58.120 --> 01:17:05.760 they are proposing but there is there is another piece of our of that code that limits access 01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:11.480 permitted on an arterial with a secondary arterial which Nottingham Drive is we also 01:17:11.480 --> 01:17:17.560 require at intersections 335 feet minimum site clearance distance from the far side 01:17:17.560 --> 01:17:22.800 and as you can see with the way that Nottingham Curves there is obstructed view because of 01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:27.040 that that existing tree canopy coverage that they would have to maintain there and there's 01:17:27.040 --> 01:17:31.080 also a slight if you pull up the contours for this for this site there's also a slight 01:17:31.080 --> 01:17:38.200 downhill slope so anyone looking to try to see around that curve from traffic headed 01:17:38.200 --> 01:17:42.440 south on Nottingham it's going to be really difficult for them additionally the way that 01:17:42.440 --> 01:17:46.000 this is presented that second drive doesn't really serve the point of a secondary point 01:17:46.000 --> 01:17:50.720 of access because it feeds back into the main drive so again different other challenges 01:17:50.720 --> 01:17:54.680 for this site as to why that drive option would not work they also presented this drive 01:17:54.680 --> 01:17:59.880 option B again keeping in mind the minimum 150 foot spacing that we require would require 01:17:59.880 --> 01:18:05.680 from that main drive again because we require that limited access on the arterial having 01:18:05.680 --> 01:18:12.240 another drive on that arterial doesn't meet that that goal of that requirement it also 01:18:12.240 --> 01:18:18.360 we also require a minimum 200 feet spacing from a driveway to the intersection for safety 01:18:18.360 --> 01:18:23.440 purposes this is really close to Nottingham Drive because this is a triangular shaped 01:18:23.440 --> 01:18:29.520 property that presents some challenges and then it's also kind of it would lead into 01:18:29.520 --> 01:18:34.720 the or it would this approach would come off of the D cell lane that right turn lane that's 01:18:34.720 --> 01:18:39.320 there which again it wouldn't be able to provide its own right turn lane and it's just it's 01:18:39.320 --> 01:18:45.600 not it's not safe and not ideal from a mobility standpoint they did a present another option 01:18:45.600 --> 01:18:50.040 one driver off of Audre Lane again there's some issues with the spacing because this property 01:18:50.040 --> 01:18:55.800 just doesn't have that much frontage off of Audre Lane so we they wouldn't be able to 01:18:55.800 --> 01:19:05.520 meet the 100 minimum feet spacing from a drive to intersection off of or between Audre Lane 01:19:05.520 --> 01:19:15.120 and Nottingham Drive and then they also presented a fourth option that would require the demolition 01:19:15.120 --> 01:19:19.400 of an existing structure and also dump some traffic onto residential property I think 01:19:19.400 --> 01:19:23.720 that property was for sale which is why I want that that that came up as one of maybe 01:19:23.720 --> 01:19:29.400 an option but like I said ideally it would it would dump that property onto a lower classified 01:19:29.400 --> 01:19:33.320 street which is a residential street there and it would require the demolition of an 01:19:33.320 --> 01:19:39.440 existing structure so we looked at this request and we put it up against our criteria for 01:19:39.440 --> 01:19:45.280 approval and ultimately given the property's shape the natural features like I said that 01:19:45.280 --> 01:19:50.840 existing tramp tree canopy coverage the existing frontage it would be challenging for this 01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:54.960 site to provide a second point of access in general that meets all of those requirements 01:19:54.960 --> 01:20:00.040 of our transportation design criteria manual and so with that we are recommending approval 01:20:00.040 --> 01:20:06.000 of this request as it complies and that pretty much concludes my presentation but I will 01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:11.120 gladly stand for any questions or comments and I believe the applicant is here if you 01:20:11.120 --> 01:20:12.600 have any questions for them as well. 01:20:12.600 --> 01:20:18.920 Thank you Mia. Any questions for Mia or the applicant? Commissioner Anderson. 01:20:18.920 --> 01:20:24.920 Thank you Chair. Is this where the the garden the garden is now? 01:20:24.920 --> 01:20:30.080 It's just south of that community garden it's just this is located just south of that community 01:20:30.080 --> 01:20:31.080 garden. 01:20:31.080 --> 01:20:36.080 Okay. 01:20:36.080 --> 01:20:40.600 Any other questions for Mia? No? Okay. 01:20:40.600 --> 01:20:45.440 Seeing none Chair can entertain a motion or discussion on this. Commissioner Pruitt. 01:20:45.440 --> 01:20:47.560 I'll move approval. 01:20:47.560 --> 01:20:48.560 Commissioner McDade. 01:20:48.560 --> 01:20:49.560 Second. 01:20:49.560 --> 01:20:57.240 We've got a first and a second for approval. Any discussion? Okay seeing none let's vote 01:20:57.240 --> 01:21:17.480 on the board please. That motion carries 6-0. That will move us to 4-B. FR-23-0011. Erin's 01:21:17.480 --> 01:21:19.320 making her way up. Hello there. 01:21:19.320 --> 01:21:31.960 Hello good evening Chair and members of the commission. Second. Okay Erin Stanley assistant 01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:41.960 planner. This is FR-23-0011. This is a final replat of the Golden Triangle edition. This 01:21:41.960 --> 01:21:49.280 is just northwest of Colorado Boulevard and South Loop 288. At this time the plot does 01:21:49.280 --> 01:21:54.040 not meet all of our standards for approval so we would recommend denial but the applicant 01:21:54.040 --> 01:21:59.400 has requested a one-time 30-day extension which could be granted to August 23rd. I stand 01:21:59.400 --> 01:22:11.400 for any questions. Thank you Erin. Any questions for Erin? Thank you. 01:22:11.400 --> 01:22:17.280 Chair can entertain. There you go Commissioner Villarreal. I move approval for the extension 01:22:17.280 --> 01:22:22.640 request to date certain of August 23rd 2023. Okay Commissioner Pruitt. Second. We've got 01:22:22.640 --> 01:22:30.800 a first and a second to approve the extension request to a date certain of August 23rd 2023. 01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:50.920 Seeing no discussion let's vote on the board please. That motion carries 6-0. Item 4-C 01:22:50.920 --> 01:22:59.000 has been withdrawn so we will not be taking action there. That will move us to 4-D FP-23-0020. 01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:05.980 Hello Julie. Good evening. Julie Wyatt, principal planner. This is FP-23-0020. It is for the 01:23:05.980 --> 01:23:13.400 Kingsway subdivision. This is phase 1A. It is a single family residential subdivision. 01:23:13.400 --> 01:23:18.240 Staff recommends denial at this time. They haven't quite met all of our standards for 01:23:18.240 --> 01:23:23.240 approval of a final plot. However we have no objection to the requested extension to 01:23:23.240 --> 01:23:27.560 August 23rd. I'll be happy to answer any questions. Thanks Julie. Any questions for 01:23:27.560 --> 01:23:37.360 Julie? I do not see any. Thank you. Commissioner Anderson. Make a motion to for the approval 01:23:37.360 --> 01:23:42.600 of the extension to date certain of August 23rd. Commissioner Cole. Second. Got a first 01:23:42.600 --> 01:23:49.120 and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of August 23rd 2023. Any 01:23:49.120 --> 01:24:03.640 discussion? Let's vote on the board please. That motion carries 6-0. That will move us 01:24:03.640 --> 01:24:13.120 to 4-E FP-23-0021. Julie's item again. All right. FP-23-0021. This is the same project 01:24:13.120 --> 01:24:22.040 the Kingsway subdivision. This is phase 1B of that plot. Staff is recommending denial 01:24:22.040 --> 01:24:27.120 as they don't meet all of our requirements for a final plot. However we have no objection 01:24:27.120 --> 01:24:32.960 to the requested extension to the August 23rd meeting. I'll be happy to answer any questions. 01:24:32.960 --> 01:24:43.560 Thanks Julie. I do not see any questions. Appreciate you. Commissioner Villarreal. Move 01:24:43.560 --> 01:24:48.480 approval of the extension request to a date certain of August 23rd 2023. Commissioner 01:24:48.480 --> 01:24:54.360 Anderson. Second. We've got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a 01:24:54.360 --> 01:25:10.320 date certain of August 23rd 2023. Any discussion? Let's vote on the board please. That motion 01:25:10.320 --> 01:25:17.220 carries 6-0. That will move us to our public hearings for this evening. Our first is 5-A 01:25:17.220 --> 01:25:35.480 E S A 22-0003. While Christy makes her way up I will open the public hearing. Thank you. 01:25:35.480 --> 01:25:45.000 This is an alternative ESA plan for Denton Crossing phase 3. And the site plan is currently 01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:52.640 under review. The request is to fill in .19 acres of herbaceous wetlands to construct 01:25:52.640 --> 01:26:02.160 a parking space and an industrial site. The request is to relocate the habitat and ecological 01:26:02.160 --> 01:26:08.680 services offered by the wetlands to a location that is closer to the waterway and outside 01:26:08.680 --> 01:26:17.240 of the limits of the construction. So just a little background. There was a field assessment 01:26:17.240 --> 01:26:21.840 that confirms that this is an undeveloped floodplain and that there is a water related 01:26:21.840 --> 01:26:29.360 habitat or isolated wetlands that are interspersed throughout that wetland. And the mitigation 01:26:29.360 --> 01:26:38.640 plan is to transfer the soils and the vegetation to a new location. This new location will 01:26:38.640 --> 01:26:46.480 be excavated and then the soil is placed. And the idea is to have it closer to the waterway 01:26:46.480 --> 01:26:54.960 in order to allow for a better access to the hydrology and the relocation of the vegetation 01:26:54.960 --> 01:27:00.440 that already exists that it can just regrow in this new location and then supplemented 01:27:00.440 --> 01:27:07.140 with the seed mix in order to kind of get a restart or a kick start. And then to achieve 01:27:07.140 --> 01:27:16.400 a 60% vegetative cover. Notifications were made and we received one response in favor 01:27:16.400 --> 01:27:23.360 of the project. And staff is recommending approval of the conditions that were in your 01:27:23.360 --> 01:27:30.040 backup material. And with that I will take any questions that you might have. 01:27:30.040 --> 01:27:39.380 >> Thank you, Christy. Any questions? Okay. Thank you. I do have one card wishing to speak 01:27:39.380 --> 01:27:44.720 on this item and that is the applicant. Amy Bissett. Hello, good evening. 01:27:44.720 --> 01:27:49.200 >> Good evening, commissioners. I have a couple of slides but I will be brief and then I'm 01:27:49.200 --> 01:28:01.320 available to answer any questions that you may have. So I just wanted to give a brief 01:28:01.320 --> 01:28:07.240 overview of what this proposed project entails and why. This is intended to be developed 01:28:07.240 --> 01:28:14.200 as a truck staging area for new truck cabs that are coming off the Peterbilt line. You 01:28:14.200 --> 01:28:19.280 can see on the aerial here the location of the Peterbilt plant and the site in question 01:28:19.280 --> 01:28:26.080 today. The goal of developing this site in this manner is to consolidate five lots that 01:28:26.080 --> 01:28:33.220 are currently being utilized for staging and storage in other locations in Denton and those 01:28:33.220 --> 01:28:38.240 are leased locations so those would be -- those leases would terminate and be allowed for 01:28:38.240 --> 01:28:44.240 redevelopment or development at that point in time. And this site includes staging for 01:28:44.240 --> 01:28:50.680 roughly 800 truck cabs plus a stacking facility for transport so they come off the line as 01:28:50.680 --> 01:28:58.000 single cabs. They come into the secure facility where they sit until it's time for them to 01:28:58.000 --> 01:29:02.280 be transported across the United States. They're stacked in twos or threes and pulled out on 01:29:02.280 --> 01:29:08.280 a trailer to be distributed to their final destinations. 01:29:08.280 --> 01:29:11.800 Just a couple of interesting things about this site. This site is heavily encumbered 01:29:11.800 --> 01:29:17.880 with floodplain and environmentally sensitive area and is a very long, skinny site from 01:29:17.880 --> 01:29:24.920 north to south. It touches 380 and Jim Crystal and there's a lot of gas well and pipeline 01:29:24.920 --> 01:29:30.340 activity and easements on this site as well so it makes it a challenging site to develop. 01:29:30.340 --> 01:29:36.680 Our proposed development is low impact considering that it's in an industrial area. We have a 01:29:36.680 --> 01:29:42.880 65 percent disturbance area meaning that the balance of that is outside of our development 01:29:42.880 --> 01:29:49.680 impact area with only a 13 percent impervious surface over within that development impact 01:29:49.680 --> 01:29:55.240 area in a 15,000 square foot building approximately. New trucks will be stored. They will not be 01:29:55.240 --> 01:30:01.840 idling or circulating except to get stacked and moved out and no manufacturing is taking 01:30:01.840 --> 01:30:08.540 place on site beyond just the stacking of the trucks for transport. 01:30:08.540 --> 01:30:15.320 We have worked very hard to minimize the impact to the wetland areas that are outside of the 01:30:15.320 --> 01:30:21.300 floodplain. We've identified two that we do need to have some impact to and as Christy 01:30:21.300 --> 01:30:25.920 covered entirely, we're going to relocate that closer to the creek and we worked hard 01:30:25.920 --> 01:30:31.460 to identify an opening within the heavily treed floodplain to minimize any tree removal 01:30:31.460 --> 01:30:35.960 and be able to do some refined excavating to create some depressed areas to support 01:30:35.960 --> 01:30:43.500 the relocation of the wetlands. We did mail a letter to everybody that was 01:30:43.500 --> 01:30:50.160 in the 500 foot boundary offering up our contact information if they had any questions and 01:30:50.160 --> 01:30:56.800 I did take two phone calls inquiring about the property and our plan, one of whom was 01:30:56.800 --> 01:31:02.080 a former client to the north that was hoping that maybe it helped with some of his floodplain 01:31:02.080 --> 01:31:06.640 issues. The other one didn't identify themselves but I just covered all the questions that 01:31:06.640 --> 01:31:11.080 they had and we moved on and that concludes my presentation. We do have our environmental 01:31:11.080 --> 01:31:17.160 consultant here if you have specific questions related to the scientific data in the report. 01:31:17.160 --> 01:31:18.160 Thank you. 01:31:18.160 --> 01:31:24.000 Thank you very much. Any questions? Commissioner Pruitt? 01:31:24.000 --> 01:31:34.480 Thank you, Chair. Just one, I'm not a floodplain environmental expert by any means. I noticed 01:31:34.480 --> 01:31:42.440 that the relocation area appears to be within the floodway, the zone AE as marked in the 01:31:42.440 --> 01:31:51.400 backup and so was there some thought or analysis done to make sure that the new plantings or 01:31:51.400 --> 01:31:57.320 the moved plantings are appropriate for an area that might get high volume of water very 01:31:57.320 --> 01:31:58.320 infrequently? 01:31:58.320 --> 01:32:02.000 Yes, so if you take a look at the map that I just put back up on the screen, all of those 01:32:02.000 --> 01:32:07.240 little wetland pockets, the majority of them are inside that floodplain area already because 01:32:07.240 --> 01:32:14.040 there's more water available to support them. The ones that we are relocating, we've been 01:32:14.040 --> 01:32:18.720 out there, we were out there last August and they looked like desert areas. We were surprised 01:32:18.720 --> 01:32:25.040 that they actually regenerated the following spring. So this is actually a healthier location 01:32:25.040 --> 01:32:26.040 for them. 01:32:26.040 --> 01:32:27.040 Okay, thank you. 01:32:27.040 --> 01:32:34.400 Thank you. I do not see any other questions. Thank you. I don't have any other cards here 01:32:34.400 --> 01:32:41.280 but this is a public hearing. Is there anyone else wishing to speak on this item? Okay, 01:32:41.280 --> 01:32:50.880 seeing none, I will close the public hearing and open the floor for discussion or a motion. 01:32:50.880 --> 01:32:51.880 Commissioner Pruitt? 01:32:51.880 --> 01:32:54.600 I'll move approval as presented. 01:32:54.600 --> 01:32:55.600 Commissioner Anderson? 01:32:55.600 --> 01:32:56.600 I second. 01:32:56.600 --> 01:33:02.520 Okay, we've got a first and a second for approval. Any discussion? Okay, let's vote on the board 01:33:02.520 --> 01:33:18.200 please. That motion carries 6-0. That will move us to effectively our next three public 01:33:18.200 --> 01:33:23.560 hearings as they are all related. So I will invite Julie Wyatt up. Julie is going to make 01:33:23.560 --> 01:33:33.400 one presentation on items 5B, 5C, and 5D. And I will open the public hearing here at 01:33:33.400 --> 01:33:44.000 5B, CA 23-0001. I will open the public hearing for 5C, Z 23-0006. And I will open the public 01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:51.960 hearing for 5D, S 23-0003. We will have the one presentation. We will have single votes 01:33:51.960 --> 01:33:56.360 on all of these items. Floor is yours, Julie. Thanks. 01:33:56.360 --> 01:34:02.080 All right. Good evening. Excuse me, Julie Wyatt, principal planner. And I am presenting 01:34:02.080 --> 01:34:10.080 those three projects related to the Mayhill multifamily proposal. So just a little bit 01:34:10.080 --> 01:34:16.560 about the request. It is the intent of these three items is to facilitate the development 01:34:16.560 --> 01:34:22.720 of 281 multifamily dwellings on a 24-acre tract. As we mentioned before, it includes 01:34:22.720 --> 01:34:28.040 the three requests, a comprehensive plan amendment to modify the future land use from business 01:34:28.040 --> 01:34:34.880 center to moderate residential, a rezoning request to change that zoning from light industrial 01:34:34.880 --> 01:34:41.720 to R7, and then a specific use permit for a multifamily use. As commissioner Ellis mentioned, 01:34:41.720 --> 01:34:46.880 the process, we have that -- we've got the one public hearing open, and then we're going 01:34:46.880 --> 01:34:53.080 to -- it would need to be voted on separately. Each item would need to be voted on separately. 01:34:53.080 --> 01:34:57.280 These three requests build upon each other, so they will still need to stay in order with 01:34:57.280 --> 01:35:01.440 the comprehensive plan, rezoning, and then specific use permit. 01:35:01.440 --> 01:35:06.040 So before we get into those requests, just a little bit about the site. It's a 24-acre 01:35:06.040 --> 01:35:12.360 site, as I mentioned. It has the two tracts, a 17-acre tract, which is that northern piece, 01:35:12.360 --> 01:35:20.440 and it is this portion right here, and that's that entire tract, and then a 7-acre tract, 01:35:20.440 --> 01:35:26.280 which is a portion of a 14-acre tract, so it leaves that remainder 7 acres adjacent 01:35:26.280 --> 01:35:31.040 to Russell Newman here. So the subject property is outlined in yellow 01:35:31.040 --> 01:35:37.000 here. Mayhill is just to the side. Loop 288 is to the west. Russell Newman, which is a 01:35:37.000 --> 01:35:41.920 collector, is to the south of the property, and then prominence is also a collector to 01:35:41.920 --> 01:35:47.640 the north. That's more residential. As I mentioned, that 7-acre tract to the south, 01:35:47.640 --> 01:35:53.040 it is fronting on Russell Newman. It is not a part of the request, and if this is approved, 01:35:53.040 --> 01:35:58.240 the future land use designation and the zoning would stay in place with that LI, would be 01:35:58.240 --> 01:36:02.680 and could be developed with any uses permitted in LI. 01:36:02.680 --> 01:36:08.400 The surrounding development, we see lots of cases on the loop, but it is one of those 01:36:08.400 --> 01:36:15.960 areas that has really turned into a commercial node for the community. We have single family 01:36:15.960 --> 01:36:21.960 to the north of this site. We also have quite a few multi-family projects along Loop 288, 01:36:21.960 --> 01:36:27.880 which makes sense because of all the commercial and employment uses along Loop 288, but it 01:36:27.880 --> 01:36:36.240 also includes that institutional. We have a federal facility just to the west of the 01:36:36.240 --> 01:36:42.360 subject property. We also have county property to the south. We have retail to the south. 01:36:42.360 --> 01:36:47.760 We have service uses, also that employment and industrial along Russell Newman. That 01:36:47.760 --> 01:36:53.480 is kind of an employment node. Two other things I want to, or one other thing I want to mention 01:36:53.480 --> 01:36:58.480 about this site, there are two environmentally sensitive areas on the subject property, and 01:36:58.480 --> 01:37:03.120 they kind of start in the middle of the subject site and then track to the northwest. There 01:37:03.120 --> 01:37:08.800 is a riparian buffer in a water-related habitat. Those are shown in sort of a blue and then 01:37:08.800 --> 01:37:14.200 a teal on your screen. So the first item we're going to talk about 01:37:14.200 --> 01:37:19.440 is the comprehensive plan amendment. The existing future land use, as I mentioned, is business 01:37:19.440 --> 01:37:25.520 owner. That is intended to allow for a variety of business and employment uses. It could 01:37:25.520 --> 01:37:32.320 go all the way from corporate campus to warehouse and light industrial. So it really runs that 01:37:32.320 --> 01:37:40.240 gamut intended for those employment type uses. It would include supportive commercial uses. 01:37:40.240 --> 01:37:45.640 We want to have things like retail and restaurants near where we work, but it has removed or 01:37:45.640 --> 01:37:52.020 it does not include stand-alone residential uses within that future land use designation, 01:37:52.020 --> 01:37:56.780 and that's really why the applicant is here this evening for the comprehensive plan amendment, 01:37:56.780 --> 01:38:02.560 because the proposal is that stand-alone residential use. They are proposing to modify that to 01:38:02.560 --> 01:38:11.800 that moderate residential, and that is shown here on this map. That applies to areas within 01:38:11.800 --> 01:38:16.920 our central part of our city, as well as those transitional areas from where when you have 01:38:16.920 --> 01:38:21.360 maybe single family and then you have more of commercial development, it's a good transition 01:38:21.360 --> 01:38:30.440 between those two areas. It's also appropriate adjacent to key corridors, and so adjacent 01:38:30.440 --> 01:38:35.760 to places like Mayhill, and you can see we have nearby moderate density residential, 01:38:35.760 --> 01:38:41.000 because that is consistent with the intent along Mayhill and then north of the subject 01:38:41.000 --> 01:38:47.320 site. Typically we want to see five to 12 dwelling units per acre in moderate residential. 01:38:47.320 --> 01:38:52.200 So in looking at the comprehensive plan amendment, we're looking at those overall goals of the 01:38:52.200 --> 01:39:00.320 comprehensive plan. So first, the land use. Our goal LU1 is we want to grow compactly. 01:39:00.320 --> 01:39:06.360 We want to make sure that we achieve sound sustainable growth and compact development 01:39:06.360 --> 01:39:11.080 patterns with balanced land use as planned in coordination with transportation and infrastructure 01:39:11.080 --> 01:39:15.280 systems. So essentially we want to see development where we have that infrastructure. We want 01:39:15.280 --> 01:39:20.920 to make sure that we take advantage of those areas where we already have that infrastructure 01:39:20.920 --> 01:39:26.600 investment. And this request would provide a basis for a zoning decision that would be 01:39:26.600 --> 01:39:32.480 consistent toward the trend of commercial and high density residential uses. So if this 01:39:32.480 --> 01:39:38.880 were approved, it would facilitate a rezoning to a residential type use to take advantage 01:39:38.880 --> 01:39:46.200 of those adjacent roadway improvements. Future land use map, as I mentioned on the previous 01:39:46.200 --> 01:39:51.560 slide, the proposed amendment would just be a logical extension of that existing moderate 01:39:51.560 --> 01:39:56.200 residential future land use designation just to the west of the property, also to the north 01:39:56.200 --> 01:40:01.200 of the property. The community vision statement, strength of the economy, that request would 01:40:01.200 --> 01:40:06.980 support housing for workers near an employment center. Off of Russell Newman, we have quite 01:40:06.980 --> 01:40:14.440 a few businesses and so it could potentially provide housing for those employees. Sound 01:40:14.440 --> 01:40:22.320 growth, as part of our sound growth, we want to make sure our form and function are appropriate. 01:40:22.320 --> 01:40:25.840 And so we also have aesthetic goals, not only land use goals within the city, but we also 01:40:25.840 --> 01:40:33.120 have aesthetic goals. And this comprehensive plan amendment would limit the industrial 01:40:33.120 --> 01:40:38.360 uses, kind of pull back some of the industrial uses there on Mayhill. So it would allow us 01:40:38.360 --> 01:40:42.920 to meet more of our aesthetic goals, making sure that our minimum design standards within 01:40:42.920 --> 01:40:48.800 the debt and development code could be achieved. Also could potentially reduce truck traffic 01:40:48.800 --> 01:40:54.680 on Mayhill Road. And then our housing goals, we talk over and over again about how our 01:40:54.680 --> 01:40:58.080 need for housing within our community, our community is growing and we want to make sure 01:40:58.080 --> 01:41:04.880 we have diverse housing choices in a variety of areas. And so this would just serve that. 01:41:04.880 --> 01:41:09.640 So as part of the criteria for approval for a comprehensive plan amendment, I won't go 01:41:09.640 --> 01:41:13.840 over all of them, but there are a few I want to touch on. One is to talk about changes 01:41:13.840 --> 01:41:18.760 and trends after the adoption of the comprehensive plan. So I know we adopted a new or an update 01:41:18.760 --> 01:41:25.460 to our comprehensive plan last year. So I wanted to look at those trends to see kind 01:41:25.460 --> 01:41:32.240 of what's changed. And to do that, I looked way back. I started with our 1999 plan and 01:41:32.240 --> 01:41:38.000 we looked to see, you know, how did this area get this future land use designation here. 01:41:38.000 --> 01:41:43.520 So in the '99 plan, it talked about industrial development was an emerging economic driver 01:41:43.520 --> 01:41:50.880 within the city that the city had typically relied on government and educational sectors 01:41:50.880 --> 01:41:55.880 in order for economic development, but industrial was coming in. And so they were looking for 01:41:55.880 --> 01:42:00.280 places to put industrial. And one of those was over by the airport. And then another 01:42:00.280 --> 01:42:05.840 was along loop 288. So you can see on the map here, we had quite a bit, this pink area, 01:42:05.840 --> 01:42:10.000 that was intended for that industrial type development as well as the orange area. So 01:42:10.000 --> 01:42:14.120 they really kind of anticipated there would be a lot of industrial developed along loop 01:42:14.120 --> 01:42:18.600 288. The subject property is in that. I've kind of got that in-set map here. You could 01:42:18.600 --> 01:42:25.480 see it here. But that's kind of changed. So with the 2030 plan and then with our most 01:42:25.480 --> 01:42:30.800 recent update, we kind of looked at this area and realized this industrial is not going 01:42:30.800 --> 01:42:35.960 in this area. When we see our industrial development, it really is going to the northwest side of 01:42:35.960 --> 01:42:43.800 town, the part of town that we have. We have I-35. We also have rail and we have our airport. 01:42:43.800 --> 01:42:49.200 So most of our industrial development is seeking to go in that location. And the loop really 01:42:49.200 --> 01:42:56.360 has changed its character. It hasn't become that industrial hub. It's become a shopping 01:42:56.360 --> 01:43:04.760 and restaurant and living places hub. So it really has that trend started with our 2030 01:43:04.760 --> 01:43:10.840 plan. It really has continued on. So we may change to that future land use with our update, 01:43:10.840 --> 01:43:15.960 with our dent in 2040 comprehensive plan. And this proposal really is just an extension 01:43:15.960 --> 01:43:22.960 of that. It really is continuing that trend moving forward. And we do anticipate we're 01:43:22.960 --> 01:43:27.200 going to see more industrial development there to our northwest side of town where it's got 01:43:27.200 --> 01:43:33.520 that more clear and direct access to I-35, to rail, to air, that sort of, those sorts 01:43:33.520 --> 01:43:39.640 of facilities and assets. Also looked at the site conditions that would make development 01:43:39.640 --> 01:43:45.000 out of the current plan inappropriate. As I mentioned, access, you know, the northwest 01:43:45.000 --> 01:43:49.440 side of town, it's got a lot of direct access to I-35. This area is a little different. 01:43:49.440 --> 01:43:55.180 It doesn't have that direct access. To access I-35, one would have to drive Mayhill or maybe 01:43:55.180 --> 01:44:01.900 go up to university. So there's a few steps between this site and I-35. So it really could 01:44:01.900 --> 01:44:08.280 limit that potential for warehousing or logistic type uses. Additionally, large truck traffic 01:44:08.280 --> 01:44:13.000 could negatively impact that surrounding. We have a lot of residential and sometimes 01:44:13.000 --> 01:44:19.640 those big trucks and residential don't always mix. So reducing that large truck traffic 01:44:19.640 --> 01:44:28.140 could benefit the area as a whole. Property size, you see plats a lot for industrial development 01:44:28.140 --> 01:44:32.880 and typically those industrial sites are 30 acres or more. They're very large. They want 01:44:32.880 --> 01:44:37.680 buildings with very large footprints and a lot of vehicular maneuvering area. The subject 01:44:37.680 --> 01:44:47.300 property is 24 acres and so we don't anticipate that there would be a lot of explosion in 01:44:47.300 --> 01:44:55.840 industrial development in this area. This site could potentially allow for some small 01:44:55.840 --> 01:45:00.800 scale industrial development or maybe some intense commercial like automotive repair 01:45:00.800 --> 01:45:06.840 uses. But those could create greater impacts for those adjacent residential. So we tried 01:45:06.840 --> 01:45:12.120 to look at it from that perspective. And then environmental. We saw that there was that 01:45:12.120 --> 01:45:17.880 ESA running through the property. Industrial developments, like I said, require really 01:45:17.880 --> 01:45:22.520 large buildings and really large pavement footprints which could impact that ESA, could 01:45:22.520 --> 01:45:28.120 also make it difficult to develop that site because they just don't have the space. That 01:45:28.120 --> 01:45:33.320 northern tract is really kind of cut in half. And so we anticipate that just industrial 01:45:33.320 --> 01:45:37.640 development is going to be challenging. Residential uses like the ones that are being proposed 01:45:37.640 --> 01:45:43.800 tonight have a smaller footprint, have less parking and vehicular maneuvering needs, probably 01:45:43.800 --> 01:45:49.800 makes more sense on this property. Therefore, given all of these considerations, staff recommends 01:45:49.800 --> 01:45:54.840 approval of the comprehensive plan amendment as it does comply with the criteria for approval. 01:45:54.840 --> 01:45:59.080 I will stop here for any questions regarding the comprehensive plan. If you don't have 01:45:59.080 --> 01:46:07.320 any, we'll keep going. >> Okay. Any questions? Okay. We'll let you 01:46:07.320 --> 01:46:09.680 keep going, Julie. >> Okay. So now we're going to talk about 01:46:09.680 --> 01:46:13.240 rezoning. I promised that was the meat of the presentation. It's going to get a lot 01:46:13.240 --> 01:46:18.540 lighter here because I'm not going to say the same thing over and over again. So the 01:46:18.540 --> 01:46:23.960 map here on the left side of the screen, that is the existing zoning. And as you can see, 01:46:23.960 --> 01:46:28.920 the subject property outlined in black has that LI zoning. I put this little line here. 01:46:28.920 --> 01:46:36.480 It is a dash line because that shows the adjacency to potential future residential development. 01:46:36.480 --> 01:46:41.280 That existing LI would allow for a variety of commercial, maybe heavier commercial uses 01:46:41.280 --> 01:46:46.520 as well as some of the lighter industrial uses like warehousing or light manufacturing. 01:46:46.520 --> 01:46:54.040 It is consistent with the existing future land use map. And it is consistent with the 01:46:54.040 --> 01:46:59.320 LI zoning to the south. But it could create incompatibilities with the residential to 01:46:59.320 --> 01:47:06.520 the north because it is abutting what at some point will likely become a single family neighborhood 01:47:06.520 --> 01:47:11.520 or in the instance of the property adjacent to Mayhill, a town home neighborhood. So there 01:47:11.520 --> 01:47:16.600 could create incompatibilities there in terms of truck traffic, access, lighting, that sort 01:47:16.600 --> 01:47:26.280 of thing. The proposed R7 would sort of move that line to center the LI on Russell Newman, 01:47:26.280 --> 01:47:32.440 so still allowing those more employment uses to continue along Russell Newman. That's kind 01:47:32.440 --> 01:47:38.760 of the way that street is developed. It makes sense. But that R7 would allow a transitional 01:47:38.760 --> 01:47:45.360 type use. R7 allows a variety of residential uses, single family duplexes, triplexes, fourplexes, 01:47:45.360 --> 01:47:53.000 also multi-family with that SUP, some limited commercial. It is consistent with their proposed 01:47:53.000 --> 01:47:58.240 comprehensive plan amendment. But it does just create that transition between the neighborhoods 01:47:58.240 --> 01:48:03.000 to the north and then that development along Russell Newman. 01:48:03.000 --> 01:48:08.280 We looked at the impacts to the surrounding property owners. R7, if this rezoning were 01:48:08.280 --> 01:48:14.320 approved, would allow residential uses adjacent to another residentially zoned property. We 01:48:14.320 --> 01:48:21.400 don't anticipate any incompatibilities there. And any development would be consistent with 01:48:21.400 --> 01:48:27.760 that scale with the R4 to the north. But once again, provide that transition to the property 01:48:27.760 --> 01:48:31.960 to the south, because as I mentioned, that property to the south, if this is approved, 01:48:31.960 --> 01:48:37.560 would still remain LI. So we did want to kind of look at, well, how does that edge meet? 01:48:37.560 --> 01:48:43.240 What happens there? We looked at the building height. LI does allow 75 foot tall buildings. 01:48:43.240 --> 01:48:48.040 But we have that provision in the code that nothing within 50 feet of the residentially 01:48:48.040 --> 01:48:54.200 zoned property could be taller than 40 feet. So it gives that buffer in terms of visual 01:48:54.200 --> 01:48:58.820 impacts related to height. Also, landscape buffers would be required. And then if this 01:48:58.820 --> 01:49:05.520 rezoning would be approved, given the limited frontage on May Hill for that LI, access would 01:49:05.520 --> 01:49:10.580 have to come from the south. So it would just kind of separate that truck traffic from the 01:49:10.580 --> 01:49:17.840 residential a little more. So based upon those considerations, staff recommends approval 01:49:17.840 --> 01:49:22.640 of the rezoning. And I'll be happy to answer any questions regarding the rezoning. 01:49:22.640 --> 01:49:28.160 >> Thank you, Julie. Questions for Julie on this part? No? Okay. 01:49:28.160 --> 01:49:35.580 >> All right. Okay. >> Carry on to the next. >> Okay. So they are also requesting a specific 01:49:35.580 --> 01:49:43.360 use permit. So if the comp plan is recommended for approval, and then the rezoning is recommended 01:49:43.360 --> 01:49:50.320 for approval, then the SUP is next. As I mentioned, they're proposing 281, 1, 2, and 3 bedroom 01:49:50.320 --> 01:49:54.840 units. This project is a little different than what we've seen. They're proposing a 01:49:54.840 --> 01:49:59.740 mix of cottages, so that horizontal multifamily, that product that we've seen a lot, as well 01:49:59.740 --> 01:50:07.280 as two garden-style buildings. So it creates that dynamic mix between those two product 01:50:07.280 --> 01:50:16.660 types. They are proposing parking on the property, both in surface parking as well as garage, 01:50:16.660 --> 01:50:22.240 some tuck under garages on the larger buildings as well as standalone garages, and then bicycle 01:50:22.240 --> 01:50:27.440 parking. They are proposing two access points. There's an access point to the north, and 01:50:27.440 --> 01:50:31.840 sorry, this is a little bit messy, but that's intended to denote that that's full access. 01:50:31.840 --> 01:50:36.920 So there's a median opening there, so one can turn left into or right into and then 01:50:36.920 --> 01:50:44.680 left or right out. And then just a right in, right out to the south. There was, because 01:50:44.680 --> 01:50:52.720 we know that there is a townhome development intended for north of here. There is a potential 01:50:52.720 --> 01:50:57.960 future gated access in this location. We had a lot of conversations with the applicant 01:50:57.960 --> 01:51:01.840 about this. We were really wanting to get that connection there. We feel like it would 01:51:01.840 --> 01:51:10.480 really help the, just the flow of the disbursement of traffic throughout the area. That property, 01:51:10.480 --> 01:51:15.240 and it was, when the SUP was approved and platting went forward, the adjacent property 01:51:15.240 --> 01:51:21.040 was zoned LI. Well, we don't require cross access between LIs, so that property is sort 01:51:21.040 --> 01:51:27.000 of hardened right now. They have a preliminary plat in, I believe it came before you in July, 01:51:27.000 --> 01:51:31.120 and so right now there is not that access, but we wanted to make sure that it was set 01:51:31.120 --> 01:51:36.240 up that if that adjacent property owner ever did want to allow access or that connection 01:51:36.240 --> 01:51:41.440 there, that they could go ahead and do that. So that's why that's there. 01:51:41.440 --> 01:51:47.760 The design, we wanted to make sure we looked at the design of the site. Those buildings 01:51:47.760 --> 01:51:52.760 are organized in a compact grid, intended to kind of create neighborhood connections 01:51:52.760 --> 01:52:01.800 to allow residents to access the amenities on site through pedestrian connections. Parking 01:52:01.800 --> 01:52:06.080 is dispersed throughout the drive aisle, so there's no large parking lots. It's kind 01:52:06.080 --> 01:52:11.560 of created in almost a street pattern. That scale of development ensures that residents 01:52:11.560 --> 01:52:17.120 can walk along an accessible pathway to that on-site trail that is proposed for the west 01:52:17.120 --> 01:52:23.120 side of the property in less than 10 minutes. And as I mentioned, there's that variety of 01:52:23.120 --> 01:52:28.840 building type, sizes, and heights just creates that visual interest. 01:52:28.840 --> 01:52:33.200 They do have a couple of common areas. There is an open, there are open space amenities 01:52:33.200 --> 01:52:38.120 that include a clubhouse, community pool, and naturalized areas. They did design the 01:52:38.120 --> 01:52:44.960 site to preserve a large tree stand on the west side of the property. We did work with 01:52:44.960 --> 01:52:49.880 them about getting a trail in there just to provide recreation for residents and just 01:52:49.880 --> 01:52:55.840 provide that outdoor open space. So they're showing a trail in that, in that location. 01:52:55.840 --> 01:53:02.800 There's also an ESA on the subject property. They are currently, their plans show no impacts 01:53:02.800 --> 01:53:07.800 to that ESA. In your backup, it does have a little discussion about this. I just want 01:53:07.800 --> 01:53:13.000 to point out as the project goes forward with design, if ever they said, "Oh, we're going 01:53:13.000 --> 01:53:17.960 to need to impact that ESA," they would still have to come back for an alternative ESA. 01:53:17.960 --> 01:53:23.920 So any approval of this SUP would not, would not approve an alternative ESA. They would 01:53:23.920 --> 01:53:28.320 have to come through that process like Christy did tonight, and we are recommending that 01:53:28.320 --> 01:53:35.280 as a condition. They're also proposing a dog park, and then, and then a clubhouse with 01:53:35.280 --> 01:53:39.880 a community pool. There's private outdoor space in the cottages. So we've got, they've 01:53:39.880 --> 01:53:44.720 got that public and then the private outdoor space, and then that landscaping on, on those 01:53:44.720 --> 01:53:50.400 cottage buildings at the, at the front door, just to create a front door for those sites. 01:53:50.400 --> 01:53:57.480 Oh, sorry. Okay, so we have proposed conditions with our SUP. A lot of these are our typical 01:53:57.480 --> 01:54:02.800 conditions, so I won't read this whole slide to you. But the intent is to comply with the 01:54:02.800 --> 01:54:09.360 2019 Debt and Development Code. We have added as conditions the number of units they're 01:54:09.360 --> 01:54:15.240 proposing in the parking spaces. We did, we are proposing that 5 percent allowance that 01:54:15.240 --> 01:54:21.480 we typically have on our SUPs just, just to allow them to increase those number of units 01:54:21.480 --> 01:54:28.880 by 5 percent or reduce them. And then, and then the accompanying parking. We, we have 01:54:28.880 --> 01:54:33.720 a proposed condition that any minor alterations to any of those buildings or maybe some plant 01:54:33.720 --> 01:54:40.520 selections or maybe some sidewalks could be staff level approved. Building architecture 01:54:40.520 --> 01:54:47.120 should remain consistent with what they're proposed. We are proposing to, or proposing 01:54:47.120 --> 01:54:51.600 that they provide two pedestrian gates along Mayhill. We want to make sure there is a sidewalk 01:54:51.600 --> 01:54:58.320 along Mayhill. We want to make sure that that residents can, can access it. We also, right 01:54:58.320 --> 01:55:04.580 now they have done that preliminary tree preservation assessment. Our landscape planner has looked 01:55:04.580 --> 01:55:10.160 at it. It is not a fully approved tree preservation plan because those are often iterative type 01:55:10.160 --> 01:55:16.240 of projects. But we, right now they are meeting the minimum standards. We wanted to give a 01:55:16.240 --> 01:55:19.800 threshold in there. They've got a really nice tree stand on that west side. We want to make 01:55:19.800 --> 01:55:26.560 sure as much of that is preserved. So we are, typically a developer could reduce the tree 01:55:26.560 --> 01:55:33.360 preservation to 20 percent. We, we are proposing a 25 percent that give a little bit more so 01:55:33.360 --> 01:55:40.400 that they have a little bit extra tree coverage. And then condition nine is related to that 01:55:40.400 --> 01:55:46.440 ESA that this doesn't imply any approvals for any alternative ESAs. And, and so based 01:55:46.440 --> 01:55:52.040 upon these conditions staff recommends approval of the, of the SUP as we don't anticipate 01:55:52.040 --> 01:55:57.920 any negative impacts related to that SUP to the adjacent properties. Public outreach was 01:55:57.920 --> 01:56:05.280 sent out. You received some letters from me today regarding being in favor of the project 01:56:05.280 --> 01:56:12.080 that is related to the properties that, that half left of the 14. So it's related to that 01:56:12.080 --> 01:56:20.840 seven acre tract adjacent to the subject property. So based upon our analysis staff recommends 01:56:20.840 --> 01:56:26.180 approval of all three requests and I will be happy to answer any questions. If, if this 01:56:26.180 --> 01:56:31.560 moves forward tonight is anticipated to go to the city council meeting next Tuesday. 01:56:31.560 --> 01:56:41.720 Okay. Great job Julie. Thank you. Any questions at this time for Julie? Thank you. I thank 01:56:41.720 --> 01:56:46.560 you. We'll call you back up if something arises. Um, I do have one card wishing to speak and 01:56:46.560 --> 01:56:53.620 that is Mr. Fletcher who's making his way up right now. Good evening. Good evening chair 01:56:53.620 --> 01:57:00.760 and commissioners. Appreciate the opportunity to be with you tonight. I've got a quick presentation. 01:57:00.760 --> 01:57:04.920 We've been working with staff on this now for close to a year and we appreciate all 01:57:04.920 --> 01:57:12.140 the hard work. And I know when we come before you with a project of this type where a lot 01:57:12.140 --> 01:57:17.040 of work is required because of the comprehensive plan amendment request, the zoning request 01:57:17.040 --> 01:57:21.880 and the SUP, there is a lot of work that goes into all of that. We appreciate all the staff's 01:57:21.880 --> 01:57:30.520 assistance through the process. And I am not sure, is it this one here? Nope. That's you. 01:57:30.520 --> 01:57:39.680 Awesome. Thank you. But really what I want to do since Julie's kind of gone over all 01:57:39.680 --> 01:57:45.200 the various items as it relates to the comprehensive plan amendment, the zoning and the site, I 01:57:45.200 --> 01:57:48.960 really want to focus more on the site and just kind of talk about the site plan and 01:57:48.960 --> 01:57:54.720 some of the different items that we worked through when we were developing the site plan 01:57:54.720 --> 01:58:00.520 and coming before you to get to this point. One of the first things we did because there 01:58:00.520 --> 01:58:05.640 are a lot of trees located on the site, we did go out and do a tree survey so that we 01:58:05.640 --> 01:58:09.920 could do an assessment of the trees, the number of trees, the quality of trees, the type of 01:58:09.920 --> 01:58:15.980 trees. So we did, we completed that back in November of last year. After that we also 01:58:15.980 --> 01:58:21.400 or at that same time we did an ESA assessment. So we went out there, we looked at the ESA, 01:58:21.400 --> 01:58:27.960 we determined its limits. We did the submittal to the city for the ESA assessment that went 01:58:27.960 --> 01:58:33.520 through the city's process and that was approved by the city back in January of this year. 01:58:33.520 --> 01:58:39.600 And it did include riparian buffer and water related habitat, as Julie mentioned. And as 01:58:39.600 --> 01:58:43.320 we laid out the site plan, one of the things that we wanted to do is make sure that we 01:58:43.320 --> 01:58:49.060 preserve that. As Julie mentioned in an industrial development, sometimes it can be a challenge 01:58:49.060 --> 01:58:56.360 to design around ESA. But within a residential type development, you can really make that 01:58:56.360 --> 01:59:01.620 a focus and kind of make that a benefit to the property itself. So that's what we tried 01:59:01.620 --> 01:59:08.040 to do when we went through and did our site planning exercise and what's before you. 01:59:08.040 --> 01:59:12.480 We also, because these developments have an impact on the surrounding streets and networks, 01:59:12.480 --> 01:59:17.280 we went through and we did our traffic impact analysis. We studied eight different intersections 01:59:17.280 --> 01:59:24.120 as part of this study. And we looked at the impacts and as Julie mentioned, we have the 01:59:24.120 --> 01:59:29.640 one full access intersection, the north drive that does have the right turn lane, the left 01:59:29.640 --> 01:59:33.320 turn lane and the median opening. And then we have the right in, right out. And then 01:59:33.320 --> 01:59:38.280 she also mentioned about the future connection to the north with that townhome development 01:59:38.280 --> 01:59:42.920 that was previously approved, but I think at this time has not moved forward with construction 01:59:42.920 --> 01:59:48.960 plans. We did hold a neighborhood meeting. We had a few residents turn out for that. 01:59:48.960 --> 01:59:54.480 It was all positive. That was held on June 19th. And then we also held a meeting this 01:59:54.480 --> 02:00:01.800 past week with FEMA to get their input as well. And then we're also working on the downstream 02:00:01.800 --> 02:00:07.320 assessment detention study that's in progress as well. So we had done some preliminary analysis 02:00:07.320 --> 02:00:13.440 as part of this, you know, the process in order to establish the site plan. Because 02:00:13.440 --> 02:00:18.240 really when we're going through the process and we're asking for the approval of an SUP, 02:00:18.240 --> 02:00:21.760 we want to make sure that what we're proposing is constructible. We don't want to get into 02:00:21.760 --> 02:00:27.640 the design process and then realize we're not able to preserve the trees that we showed 02:00:27.640 --> 02:00:32.680 that we are. So we have done significant amount of work looking at the grading of the site, 02:00:32.680 --> 02:00:37.520 looking at the drainage and doing preliminary analysis. And now we're in the process of 02:00:37.520 --> 02:00:43.640 preparing those studies. So I did want to share that with you. Again, the concept plan, 02:00:43.640 --> 02:00:50.560 it has two more traditional multifamily buildings and then it has 129 cottage units. The two 02:00:50.560 --> 02:00:55.800 traditional multifamily units are really placed to where they create that transition or that 02:00:55.800 --> 02:01:05.200 buffer between the existing LI and then also the federal facility that's to the west. There 02:01:05.200 --> 02:01:09.800 is a lot of topography on the site as well. So when you're looking at the site and how 02:01:09.800 --> 02:01:15.240 you're going to lay it out, you want to kind of look at how that makes sense for the topography. 02:01:15.240 --> 02:01:20.680 The multifamily building that's to the west, the northwest, that's actually going to be 02:01:20.680 --> 02:01:25.840 a two, three split. So on the uphill side, you'll have two floors and then on the downhill 02:01:25.840 --> 02:01:31.640 side, you'll have three. So the building itself is utilized to transition that grade. The 02:01:31.640 --> 02:01:36.120 other multifamily building on the south is a three story building and then the cottages 02:01:36.120 --> 02:01:42.800 are dispersed throughout. We did provide buffers for landscaping and tree preservation. We 02:01:42.800 --> 02:01:48.480 are showing preservation of the ESA. We also are showing a retention pond for detention 02:01:48.480 --> 02:01:55.880 and water quality purposes prior to discharging into the downstream receiving body. There's 02:01:55.880 --> 02:02:02.040 a significant series of trails within the proposed development, interconnects all the 02:02:02.040 --> 02:02:06.840 multifamily units, all the cottage units, and it also has connectivity to Mayhill, which 02:02:06.840 --> 02:02:14.240 is important for pedestrian circulation and connectivity. It will be a gated community. 02:02:14.240 --> 02:02:19.400 It's going to have a 6,000 square foot clubhouse, a pool, and other amenities. There's bike 02:02:19.400 --> 02:02:26.440 racks. So it is going to be a well appointed development. That's just a close up of the 02:02:26.440 --> 02:02:33.720 overall development. These are some graphics of the elevations of the units themselves. 02:02:33.720 --> 02:02:40.280 So there are, we are utilizing a palette, a mixed palette of materials and colors, accent 02:02:40.280 --> 02:02:46.640 colors. Just gives you some additional. You can see the tuck under garages on the north. 02:02:46.640 --> 02:02:51.240 That's part of the 2-3 split. So that's the high side with the tuck under garages and 02:02:51.240 --> 02:03:02.600 then the low side. Here are some renderings of the cottages. And then it is going to have 02:03:02.600 --> 02:03:07.880 a, what I would call kind of a resort style amenity pool. So you can see the tanning ledge 02:03:07.880 --> 02:03:14.600 within the pool. It's got a fire pit, lots of seating areas, lots of areas for the residents 02:03:14.600 --> 02:03:21.720 to congregate and enjoy. So that's all I had. I kind of just wanted to go through the overall 02:03:21.720 --> 02:03:28.200 site plan and just kind of how we looked at the site as we were laying it out, developing 02:03:28.200 --> 02:03:34.520 it, trying to incorporate the natural features into the site, how to provide transition to 02:03:34.520 --> 02:03:41.040 the surrounding uses and also the residential uses to the north. But with that, I'll be 02:03:41.040 --> 02:03:43.080 happy to answer any questions. 02:03:43.080 --> 02:03:50.400 Thank you, Mr. Pletcher. Any questions from the commission? Commissioner Pruitt, are you 02:03:50.400 --> 02:03:51.400 waiting for your screen? 02:03:51.400 --> 02:03:55.400 Yes, thank you. 02:03:55.400 --> 02:04:02.480 You mentioned that it would be a gated community and there's a riparian area that is treed 02:04:02.480 --> 02:04:09.240 sort of on the northeast of the site. I'm just wondering, as you worked through that 02:04:09.240 --> 02:04:18.480 with staff, was there any concern from a drainage of stuff through the fence? What's the plan 02:04:18.480 --> 02:04:19.480 there? 02:04:19.480 --> 02:04:23.480 Well, we haven't looked at that completely. So one of the things that we may look at as 02:04:23.480 --> 02:04:29.520 far as the fencing goes is if we cross that riparian area, that would require an alternate 02:04:29.520 --> 02:04:36.600 ESA plan. So because that is a natural buffer, we would either look at gating around that 02:04:36.600 --> 02:04:44.440 or just gating and kind of trying to terminate at that natural elevation change where you 02:04:44.440 --> 02:04:50.360 have the natural drainage way that goes through that area. So there may be areas right across 02:04:50.360 --> 02:04:55.820 that riparian that do not include fencing because that is a concern. One, protection 02:04:55.820 --> 02:05:03.480 of the riparian area, the allowance for animals and anything utilizing that natural habitat 02:05:03.480 --> 02:05:10.400 to be able to continue to utilize that. And then also, we don't want to do anything that 02:05:10.400 --> 02:05:12.680 would impede the drainage way. 02:05:12.680 --> 02:05:16.680 Okay, thank you. 02:05:16.680 --> 02:05:21.840 Any other questions for the applicant? I'm curious to know how your FEMA meeting went. 02:05:21.840 --> 02:05:26.920 The FEMA meeting went well. They had a lot of good suggestions. They wanted to make sure 02:05:26.920 --> 02:05:32.720 that the trail that was through the trees had lighting. They even suggested making sure 02:05:32.720 --> 02:05:38.160 that your -- I think one of their concerns might have been people that aren't supposed 02:05:38.160 --> 02:05:45.080 to be in that area kind of congregating and lingering. So they even suggested making sure 02:05:45.080 --> 02:05:51.240 those water sprinklers run on a regular basis. But the meeting went well. We talked about 02:05:51.240 --> 02:05:56.720 the proposed development, the buffering that we're providing. We let them know that if 02:05:56.720 --> 02:06:01.400 there's any need for them to provide any type of additional security cameras or anything 02:06:01.400 --> 02:06:07.000 like that at the back of the property, then we're certainly open to that. So the meeting 02:06:07.000 --> 02:06:08.000 went well. 02:06:08.000 --> 02:06:11.740 Excellent. Good. Thanks for sharing that. Appreciate it. 02:06:11.740 --> 02:06:16.280 I don't see any other questions at this time. Thank you very much for the presentation. 02:06:16.280 --> 02:06:20.320 I don't have any other cards in front of me, but this is a public hearing. Is there anyone 02:06:20.320 --> 02:06:31.160 wishing to speak on items 3, B, C, or D? Okay. Seeing none, I'm going to close the public 02:06:31.160 --> 02:06:45.120 hearing on item 5B. And I will open the floor for discussion or a motion. Do I need to close 02:06:45.120 --> 02:06:47.120 them all? 02:06:47.120 --> 02:06:55.080 Okay. Per legal. I will go ahead then. Let me stop that for a moment. Go ahead and close 02:06:55.080 --> 02:07:07.880 the public hearing on item 5C. And close the public hearing on item 5D. Now we will back 02:07:07.880 --> 02:07:21.080 up and consider 5B. So the floor is open to discussion or a motion. And 5B, that is the 02:07:21.080 --> 02:07:24.720 Comprehensive Plan Amendment. Commissioner McDade? 02:07:24.720 --> 02:07:27.040 I recommend approval. 02:07:27.040 --> 02:07:28.040 Commissioner Cole? 02:07:28.040 --> 02:07:29.040 Second. 02:07:29.040 --> 02:07:35.200 Okay. We've got a first and a second for approval of the Comprehensive Plan Amendment as presented. 02:07:35.200 --> 02:07:42.480 Is there any discussion? Okay. I think with regard to this, I will just say to Tina and 02:07:42.480 --> 02:07:48.440 to City Council listening, when they consider this is what I brought up in work session, 02:07:48.440 --> 02:07:55.960 if maybe we want to clean up the rest of that and at least look at that and see how we can 02:07:55.960 --> 02:08:01.000 maybe just flush that out a little bit better than it's going to look at if this gets approved. 02:08:01.000 --> 02:08:12.580 So with that, let's go ahead and vote on the board, please. 02:08:12.580 --> 02:08:20.080 That motion carries 6-0. That will move us then to consider the vote on 5C. And this 02:08:20.080 --> 02:08:23.920 is the rezoning to R7. Commissioner Anderson? 02:08:23.920 --> 02:08:26.520 I motion to approve. 02:08:26.520 --> 02:08:27.520 Commissioner Villarreal? 02:08:27.520 --> 02:08:28.520 Second. 02:08:28.520 --> 02:08:35.680 Okay. We've got a first and a second for approval. Is there any discussion here? Commissioner 02:08:35.680 --> 02:08:36.680 Pruitt? 02:08:36.680 --> 02:08:46.640 Thank you, Chair. Yeah, just a couple thoughts that I support this, but that the specific 02:08:46.640 --> 02:08:54.760 application brings forward to me. The R7 makes sense. That's fine. It also just so happens 02:08:54.760 --> 02:08:59.120 that they actually couldn't build this three-story building in an MN zoning because we currently 02:08:59.120 --> 02:09:05.680 require 12-foot first floors, which basically means that you can build a three-story home 02:09:05.680 --> 02:09:12.200 in R7. You can build a three-story apartment complex, but then next door, if you had an 02:09:12.200 --> 02:09:16.720 MN zoning, you can only build two stories. So that's a concern of mine over the long 02:09:16.720 --> 02:09:25.480 term. And then I think, you know, I appreciate the challenges of two applications that were 02:09:25.480 --> 02:09:32.520 coming in at different speeds and that sort of thing with the access to the north. And 02:09:32.520 --> 02:09:37.840 I understand how, you know, there's a two-foot strip of an HOA lot that prevents us from 02:09:37.840 --> 02:09:50.340 punching that through as the city's desire. We just need to keep appraised of those things 02:09:50.340 --> 02:09:57.800 that we're doing to ourselves, I would say. So thank you. 02:09:57.800 --> 02:10:04.800 Anyone else? Okay. The motion on the floor is to approve the rezoning. Seeing no further 02:10:04.800 --> 02:10:18.760 speakers, I will go ahead and ask for a vote, please. That motion carries 6-0. That will 02:10:18.760 --> 02:10:26.800 take us then to consider 5-D, which is the specific use permit. Commissioner Cole? 02:10:26.800 --> 02:10:32.680 I make the motion to approve with conditions, staff's conditions. 02:10:32.680 --> 02:10:33.680 Commissioner Anderson? 02:10:33.680 --> 02:10:34.680 I second. 02:10:34.680 --> 02:10:41.120 Thank you. We've got a first and a second for approval of the SUP as presented by staff. 02:10:41.120 --> 02:10:48.360 Any discussion? Okay. I think before we vote, I'll just say that phenomenal job on what 02:10:48.360 --> 02:10:53.840 could have been very confusing, but your presentation was fantastic. Mr. Fletcher, I appreciate 02:10:53.840 --> 02:11:01.100 you too. That absolutely, yeah, tied a lot together. Yeah, so appreciate the way all 02:11:01.100 --> 02:11:08.040 of this was put in front of us. Thank you. Seeing no further speakers, let's go ahead 02:11:08.040 --> 02:11:25.640 and vote, please. That motion carries 6-0. Thank you. And that will move us to our planning 02:11:25.640 --> 02:11:31.480 and zoning commission matrix. I will go ahead and turn the floor over to Tina. 02:11:31.480 --> 02:11:37.240 Thank you, Chair Ellis. So just a couple of quick updates regarding changes we made to 02:11:37.240 --> 02:11:43.360 the matrix in case you didn't pick up on this. So regarding legislative update on planning 02:11:43.360 --> 02:11:48.000 related filed bills. So we actually have that tentatively scheduled for your next planning 02:11:48.000 --> 02:11:55.080 and zoning commission meeting. And I anticipate it to be a joint presentation also with Ron 02:11:55.080 --> 02:12:00.280 leading that effort. So it will in all likelihood potentially be Ron's last meeting. So think 02:12:00.280 --> 02:12:07.700 of your tough questions for between now and then. So he and his wife are pursuing some 02:12:07.700 --> 02:12:13.080 other opportunities based upon their life plan. So it gives you a couple of weeks to 02:12:13.080 --> 02:12:17.560 think about what kind of questions you might want to ask Ron when he makes that presentation. 02:12:17.560 --> 02:12:21.200 But nonetheless, back to more legislative means, I know this is something that you all 02:12:21.200 --> 02:12:25.920 have been waiting for. And so we're going to provide you with that update. I think our 02:12:25.920 --> 02:12:29.920 plan is to provide a little bit of an overview on this past legislative session, but then 02:12:29.920 --> 02:12:35.720 also focus in on the bills that we're working through because it will result in some changes 02:12:35.720 --> 02:12:43.440 that we're having to make to our processes and in our debt and development code. So we'll 02:12:43.440 --> 02:12:50.600 cover some of that as well. Another item to make note of actually the discussion 02:12:50.600 --> 02:12:54.680 regarding removing minimum parking requirements. So I know some of you serve on DCRC and have 02:12:54.680 --> 02:13:00.280 been waiting for this topic. So we will be initiating that on Monday, August 14th. So 02:13:00.280 --> 02:13:08.480 we are starting that work. So wanted to make note of that. Also, I know Commissioner Smith 02:13:08.480 --> 02:13:12.200 had asked about receiving updating related to changes to the city's ethics ordinance 02:13:12.200 --> 02:13:16.860 that might affect the planning and zoning commission. So our city auditor will be coming 02:13:16.860 --> 02:13:21.680 in October to make those presentations. So we purposely delayed that till October in 02:13:21.680 --> 02:13:25.540 case there are any appointment changes to the planning and zoning commission. I'm not 02:13:25.540 --> 02:13:32.560 aware of any just yet. But nonetheless, we know we're in that season of appointees. We're 02:13:32.560 --> 02:13:38.080 in that season of appointees. So just wanted to give Madison some time. So she only has 02:13:38.080 --> 02:13:42.160 to hopefully do that presentation once. But anyway, to go over any changes that have been 02:13:42.160 --> 02:13:46.680 made to the ethics ordinance so that you're all fully aware of what those might be. Also, 02:13:46.680 --> 02:13:51.880 in terms of past council action, so I could not recall if I reported on this one in the 02:13:51.880 --> 02:13:55.800 past. So my apologies if I'm being repetitive, but the timing was right around the time we 02:13:55.800 --> 02:14:00.200 had our last meeting. So I figured better be safe than sorry, right? So we had an alternative 02:14:00.200 --> 02:14:04.320 ESA plan for Hunter Ranch phase one. I know Christy had presented that to the planning 02:14:04.320 --> 02:14:08.040 and zoning commission. You all had recommended approval. So council did approve that item. 02:14:08.040 --> 02:14:13.560 So that one did occur. The Denton High School assigned district, I know Julie had that here 02:14:13.560 --> 02:14:20.520 recently and presented that to you all. There was lots of conversation about the signs that 02:14:20.520 --> 02:14:25.020 or why we were doing that sign district, given that some of the signs were also had been 02:14:25.020 --> 02:14:30.960 installed. So council did approve that request. So they are now in compliance. So and like 02:14:30.960 --> 02:14:34.480 I said, during the PNC, I mean, our meeting, our goal was to get them to compliance as 02:14:34.480 --> 02:14:39.960 well. But but know that they had success at the at the city council meeting. I'm also 02:14:39.960 --> 02:14:45.520 short term runnels removing that primary residency requirement as a result of the Supreme Court 02:14:45.520 --> 02:14:49.840 ruling decisions. So I know you all recommended approval of that council did end up approving 02:14:49.840 --> 02:14:55.340 that. And then speaking of short term models know that we are moving into some heavy lifting 02:14:55.340 --> 02:15:01.400 on some public engagement as it relates to that. And that will be occurring. Let's see, 02:15:01.400 --> 02:15:06.840 I know we have a couple of town hall scheduled, one virtual one in person and they're either 02:15:06.840 --> 02:15:10.900 at the end of next week or end of next week in the following week. So more information 02:15:10.900 --> 02:15:14.400 is out on discussed it and as it relates to that for folks that are wanting to follow 02:15:14.400 --> 02:15:19.240 along on that. And if you recall, all of that public engagement being done was a result 02:15:19.240 --> 02:15:24.360 of the DCRC wanting to receive some more information before providing for some decisions. And then 02:15:24.360 --> 02:15:28.540 lastly, Mia had a zoning case Jefferson at Mayhill. If you recall, this was the one that 02:15:28.540 --> 02:15:33.800 was across the street from our landfill, formerly city owned property that the city had since 02:15:33.800 --> 02:15:39.680 sold. And so the applicant was requesting to rezone that. I believe it was to Mr. If 02:15:39.680 --> 02:15:44.520 memory serves me correctly, council did approve that request as well. So that went through. 02:15:44.520 --> 02:15:50.040 So, and with that, that concludes my report. Thank you. Thank you. So anything to be added 02:15:50.040 --> 02:15:54.320 to the matrix by anyone? Oh, I would just add, don't forget your homework assignment 02:15:54.320 --> 02:15:58.520 that Julie gave you with respect to the flyers. I was going there next to concluding items. 02:15:58.520 --> 02:16:03.960 I will go ahead and announce as related to our work session. Take note that the Southeast 02:16:03.960 --> 02:16:12.020 and area plan visioning workshop is Saturday, August 26, come and go between 10 and 2pm 02:16:12.020 --> 02:16:19.400 at the American Legion Legion Hall Senior Center. And things are available where they 02:16:19.400 --> 02:16:27.200 stand now with a plan on discussed.com. Commissioner proof. Yeah, just one while we're on the subject 02:16:27.200 --> 02:16:34.200 of all of these input meetings and plans. I believe the text dot loop 288 input online 02:16:34.200 --> 02:16:38.680 is available now through this Friday. So if you have any comments or thoughts to share 02:16:38.680 --> 02:16:48.280 with our state agency, now's the time. Great. Thank you. Any other concluding items? Okay. 02:16:48.280 --> 02:16:51.360 With that, I will adjourn us at 740pm. Thank you.