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 >> Good afternoon and welcome to the city of Denton's planning and zoning commission

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 meeting for Wednesday, August 9th, 2023.

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 This is our work session and with the quorum present I will call us to order at 5.01 p.m.

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 Let the record show that Commissioner Smith and Commissioner Anderson are absent at this

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 First item on our work session is citizen comment on consent agenda.

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 But seeing no one here in the audience for that.

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 We'll go ahead and move on to clarification of this evening's agenda.

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 First on our agenda are the minutes from July 19th.

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 Any questions on those?

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 Anything on consent that you want brought up by staff?

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 Then we'll go to items for individual consideration.

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 Or A, I'll have Mia come up and give us a summary.

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 >> Hello.

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 Good evening.

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 Chair, members of the commission, Mia Hines, associate planner.

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 I'm just going to give a summary of this variance request.

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 Essentially this is a property the development or the developer applicant is proposing a

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 multifamily development.

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 The property is located at the northeast corner of Audreline and Nottingham drive.

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 And that requirement requires at least two full points of vehicular access for developments

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 of this kind.

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 This site, given the triangular shape and some of the surrounding conditions, it becomes

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 a little difficult for them to achieve a second point of access that meets all the other requirements

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 of our transportation design criteria manual.

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 The applicant did put in a good faith effort to try to provide a second point of access

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 to this site.

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 And ultimately the challenges are going to come with this development or any development

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 that requires that second point of access.

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 So we are recommending approval within my full presentation.

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 I have those options.

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 So we could detail that if you want to discuss those options a little further.

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 But we are recommending approval of the request to allow this site to be served with one point

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 of access.

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 And with that, I will answer any questions that you have.

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 >> Thank you.

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 Commissioner Pruitt?

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 >> Sorry.

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 Just one question.

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 I know this is -- is this just the flat work site plan, essentially?

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 It's -- well, in this exhibit, the buildings are shown there.

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 I was trying to find the buildings.

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 >> I can make that more clear for you in the presentation.

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 So they're above and then along Nottingham?

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 They're here.

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 And then there's an amenity center here.

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 >> Other questions for Mia?

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 Mia, I assume, like, you talked with Fire on this and they're fine with it?

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 >> Okay, that will take us to 4B.

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 Good evening, Chair, members of the commission.

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 This is FR23-0011.

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 This is a final replat of the Golden Triangle edition.

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 It's located just northwest of Colorado and Loop 288.

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 At this time, staff is recommending denial as it does not meet all of the criteria for

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 approval, but they've requested a one-time 30-day extension, which could be granted to

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 >> Hello, good evening, Julie Wyatt.

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 This is FP23-0020.

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 This is a final plat for a portion of the Kingsway subdivision.

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 Right now, they have some things to correct, so staff is recommending denial.

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 Once again, they do have some items that they need to correct.

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 This is that final plat for this phase, and so staff is recommending denial.

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 Our public hearings for this evening, 5A, we'll have Christy come up and give us a summary

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 Take any questions, if you all have any.

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 So this is a project that is referred to as Denton Crossing Phase 3, and the site plan

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 is currently under review.

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 The site plan will include the construction of a parking lot for a industrial facility

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 to place their product on.

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 The request is to fill 0.19 acres of herbaceous wetlands to construct this parking space and

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 then relocate the habitat and the ecological services to another location closer to the

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 waterway, and staff is recommending approval.

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 The field assessment had confirmed that was undeveloped floodplain and that the water-related

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 habitat is these isolated wetlands, and then the mitigation plan will be to excavate the

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 soils and the herbaceous materials and to place it in this new location, bring in top

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 soil and vegetation to help support the revegetation or the regrowth of this area, and then to

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 And there were notifications sent out and one response in favor of the project and no

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 That will take us to 5B and really technically C and D, so they're all related if you all

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 So this is Multifamily at Mayhill.

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 It's three requests, a comprehensive plan amendment, CA 23.1, zoning Z 23.6, and then

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 to develop multifamily dwellings on a 24-acre tract, 281 multifamily dwellings.

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 use permit for that multifamily use.

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 Staff has analyzed the request and has determined it does comply with the criteria for approval.

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 future land use map, to me I think it would be appropriate in your deliberation that when

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 designation is not going to hold that up, and we can just, you know, add it to our list

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 But just wanted to put that out there as an option for the commission if, you know, if

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 >> Thank you, Chair.

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 The one question I have that relates to that is, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the

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 >> Yeah, what we might want to do is just have that as the future, like, let's look

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 recommendations for this area, we can be a little more all encompassing if that's your

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 >> Thank you, Commissioner Pritt.

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 So then am I -- can I open all public hearings at that time for 5B, C, and D?

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 I like to have a plan.

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 So that clears up our agenda items, so now we can go to our work session report, which

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 is receive a report, hold a discussion regarding the Southeast Denton area plan progress.

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 Tina, are you presenting, or who is presenting?

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 subject matter experts on this project, both Mia and Julie, so I just wanted to preface

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 their presentation with staff is going to be providing area plan project updates both

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 to City Council and the Planning and Zoning Commission, and so we'll start with the Planning

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 and Zoning Commission and do our presentations here to give you those project updates, and

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 then provide a Friday report to council with a link to the conversation here so that they

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 But I just wanted to add, you know, the intent of these updates is to really communicate

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 to get the commission and council caught up with the steering committee, and so wanting

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 to be more mindful of that as well and allowing the Planning and Zoning Commission to understand

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 of the public engagement efforts that have taken place with Southeast Denton, but it's

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 so that you all can start hearing what we're hearing from the community as it relates to

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 the various phases and where we are in these milestones.

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 So really looking at this as being informative, not expecting any direction from the commission.

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 you as to where we are on the various projects.

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 but I think it will really help the commission in being more informed instead of me just

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 giving you a quick snippet during the matrix reports.

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 Mia Hines.

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 Good evening again, Chair, members of the commission.

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 Mia Hines.

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 I am the Assistant Project Manager for the Southeast Denton Area Plan Project.

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 Me and Julie Wyatt as the project manager will be tagging, tag teaming this presentation,

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 like Tina said, just to give you an update of where we are with this process.

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 We want to start off the presentation by re-emphasizing the purpose of this planning effort, giving

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 you an overview and sort of talking about the things that we originally set out to achieve

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 And then we'll jump into the work itself with our public engagement and Julie will shoulder

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 a large part of that piece and sort of talk to you about the things that we've learned

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 during that process, how we've made some little tease here, how we've made some midway adjustments

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 to help us obtain some better feedback and additional feedback from that process.

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 Namely, we've held some listening sessions to hear from the community regarding some

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 of those tough and oftentimes uncomfortable topics surrounding this area plan project.

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 those -- I'm sorry, to see -- hear from the -- meet the members of the community and see

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 where they are as a -- or where they are as opposed to having them come to us.

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 those processes and then brag a little bit about our steering committee and the members

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 that we have on that team and their involvement in this process so far.

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 your role as the planning and zoning commission is going to be important in the adoption and

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 implementation of this plan.

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 Fair warning, you do have a little bit of homework.

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 Not too crazy, but we just -- we have an event coming up and we want to make sure -- or use

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 your help to get the word out so that we get some good participation during that time.

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 So jump right into the overview.

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 We all know about the unfair and unjust practices that led to the displacement and the whole

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 story and history behind the Southeastern area.

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 We know that we had to, starting this project, build community trust, and so we set out with

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 that goal in mind.

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 the community, really focusing on hearing from the community so that we as a city aren't

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 coming forward with these are the plans, these are the ideas that we have for the community,

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 really hearing the voice and feedback from the community, focusing on those topics like

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 transportation, housing, connectivity, parks, open space, and things like that that we can

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 And in true planner fashion, we made a plan for the plan.

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 The discovery phase is that first phase where our goal is to essentially identify the key

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 people and places and plans that already exist, those key conditions, existing conditions

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 for this area.

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 like I said, essentially those things that you can see sort of driving around and observe

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 from the outside looking in.

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 in the discovery phase to make sure that we were receiving it correctly, to make sure

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 that we were interpreting those demographics correctly.

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 Following that we move on to the development phase where we gather from what we learned

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 from the discovery and the defined phase and draft some plan and implementation strategies

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 to get feedback once again to make sure that we're on the right track, that we're hearing

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 from the community correctly.

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 We present those drafts, we will present those drafts to the community and get feedback and

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 move on to the delivery phase where we have a final draft of that area plan and are ready

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 to have public hearings before this body and of course that adoption before the city council.

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 where we essentially see from the feedback that we've got how can we implement the plans

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 and the strategies and the policies and things of that nature to move this community forward

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 in the direction that, again, they told us that they wanted to go into.

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 So to start this plan, staff and our consultants did a kickoff tour.

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 I think that tour was really good at sort of getting us all excited about the project.

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 Again, it allowed us to be boots on the ground, get a lay out of the land, really understand

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 the existing conditions better because it's different from looking at aerials, the actually

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 driving around, experiencing how the community sees or experiences their environment, their

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 outside environment on a day-to-day basis.

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 We walked a portion of the trail that is in the southeast end area, again, to firsthand

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 experience those amenities that's under city control in that area.

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 And we got together as the city team and the consultants to share our observations during

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 Like I said, I think it was really good.

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 I personally enjoyed putting that route together and then I think, like I said, it was really

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 helpful to show the unlimited opportunities and things that exist within the southeast

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 I think this table and these figures were specifically interesting because we discovered

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 that we are used to hearing from the members of a few generational cohorts, we're used

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 to hearing from the age groups of 40, 50 and up, and realistically, as you can see with

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 this table, over 60% of the population fits within that millennial and Gen Z category.

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 state of Texas.

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 And it's a good thing, right, because young people means your city is growing.

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 It means that there is a point of planning for the future because there will be people

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 how after going through this discovery phase and sort of realizing exactly what we're dealing

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 with with the population breakdown, how we've made some adjustments within our process to

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 make sure that we are hearing, representatively hearing from those groups of people within

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 And so with that, I'll turn it over to Julie to talk a little bit about that process or

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 the listening sessions, the public engagements that we had.

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 we've had with Southeast Deton and the activities that we've had over the summer.

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 So you know, typically with an area plan, maybe the consultant will go talk to stakeholders

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 and then start doing maybe visioning exercises.

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 But given the history of Southeast Deton and some of the generational trauma associated

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 with Southeast Deton, that we felt like and the consultant felt like we need to just stop,

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 take a minute and go out and talk to the community and actually listen to what they had to say.

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 So that's what we did.

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 So at first it started with listening sessions, the first round was in April.

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 The city actually wasn't even invited to the first round.

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 We they wanted really candid conversations from the community members and they felt like

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 if the city staff was there that people might not say everything that they wanted to say.

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 And so they said, city, you can't come.

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 And they had, we had five in-person sessions, one virtual, approximately 60 attendees.

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 And really this was an opportunity for community members just to come share with the consultant

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 team their experiences, their concerns, their hopes and dreams for Southeast Deton.

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 So it really was to capture all of that information.

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 That second round had two in-person sessions and it was in June.

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 So there were some tough questions that were asked of the community.

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 It talked about, it talked about how the community members felt about living in Deton, what places

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 do they feel welcome or don't feel welcome, what their feelings were, what their concerns

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 were, whether Southeast Deton had been neglected and what city services had been allocated

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 to Southeast Deton versus other parts of the community.

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 And harm or unjust practices had been done to community members within Deton that they

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 would like to share.

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 What their relationship is with the city, what their concerns are with housing, not

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 only in terms of housing choice and affordability, but also multifamily.

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 It's always something that we hear a lot about in the community is multifamily.

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 Are there, what are their concerns about displacement or gentrification?

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 How community members would evaluate those public facilities within Southeast Deton.

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 And that would relate to parks and streets and lighting, all of those things that make

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 And then do they have any concerns about any development projects?

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 So those were some of the tough topics that they talked about.

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 And the consultant shared with us some key themes.

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 This is a summary of those key themes.

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 There's actually going to be a bigger presentation that will be uploaded to discuss Deton in

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 So we're going to get that analysis back from our consultant group.

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 So just to talk about the key themes first, those unjust practices inflicted upon black

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 residents within Deton and families have not been forgotten.

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 That happened in Quaker Town and then since then.

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479
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,640
 Residents are frustrated by the lack of communication regarding road reconstruction project.

480
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,080
 If you have driven in Southeast Deton recently, you know that almost every street in Southeast

481
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,400
 Deton is under construction right now.

482
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:44,040
 You know, that reconstruction was part of the 2019 bond that was voted on, but they

483
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,240
 all seemed to hit at the exact same time.

484
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,620
 And that's caused a lot of frustration for community members trying to figure out how

485
00:30:51,620 --> 00:30:54,600
 to get home and how to move throughout their community.

486
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:59,280
 There were concerns about why weren't sidewalks provided or all of this road construction

487
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,120
 is causing my car to look a mess all the time.

488
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,640
 So those sorts of things they shared.

489
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:12,540
 Speeding on local streets is a concern on Curley is one street, Morris is another street

490
00:31:12,540 --> 00:31:13,680
 that's been indicated.

491
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:19,440
 So they provided feedback on specific streets as to where they see those problems.

492
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,320
 Parks and community facilities are cherished amenities.

493
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,920
 And you know, Southeast Deton has some great parks.

494
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:31,240
 And there has been a lot of the community express, there's been a lot of reinvestment

495
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,580
 and investment in those parks recently.

496
00:31:33,580 --> 00:31:35,440
 We could do better.

497
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:41,660
 We could do better in terms of Carl Young Park and additional infrastructure related

498
00:31:41,660 --> 00:31:44,540
 to the splash pad.

499
00:31:44,540 --> 00:31:47,320
 But those are cherished amenities that the community loves.

500
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,720
 They also would like to see more festivals and more activities within the parks, more

501
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,300
 programming.

502
00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:56,320
 Feelings were mixed about housing and affordability.

503
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,120
 You know, the community members shared with us they want a place where their kids can

504
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,640
 come move to in those diverse choices in housing.

505
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,440
 There were concerns about affordability.

506
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:10,360
 But they also -- the community also shared that, you know, they really did not want multifamily

507
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:11,720
 within the community.

508
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:20,640
 So they really gave those two ideas so that we can sort of look upon that and see how

509
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,280
 that plan should evolve.

510
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:29,400
 Property tax increases triggered by new development is driving gentrification fears.

511
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:34,820
 We were talking today, the first round of listening sessions, we scheduled them the

512
00:32:34,820 --> 00:32:38,640
 same week that property tax valuations came out.

513
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,120
 So it was top of mind for the community.

514
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,040
 And you know, community members expressed, I didn't make any improvements on my home,

515
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,740
 but my tax -- my valuation has skyrocketed.

516
00:32:49,740 --> 00:32:54,120
 And so that is -- we've been -- our consultant group talked with the county.

517
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,440
 We're looking at opportunities there.

518
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:01,760
 You know, that is something that is affecting all property owners within City of Denton.

519
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:06,960
 And so it is definitely affecting Southeast Denton.

520
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,480
 Residents feel that change is coming.

521
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,360
 So how can the city and the community partner together?

522
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,800
 How can the community -- how can we make sure that we capture the vision for the community

523
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:23,000
 and that we work together to manage any change to keep those areas that are really sacred

524
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,600
 to the community?

525
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:30,280
 City would like to hear more consultation with projects coming forward, not only in

526
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,160
 terms of zoning cases, but just what's going on in the community.

527
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,560
 They really want -- that communication was key.

528
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,320
 They feel like the city can improve our relationship with the community, but we're going to have

529
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,480
 to do that work.

530
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,000
 And the infrastructure must be improved.

531
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,240
 Once again, things like sidewalks.

532
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:53,400
 You know, maybe not speed bumps to slow cars, but how can we slow cars within the community

533
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:58,080
 to make pedestrians safer and just moving through the intersection safer?

534
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:04,280
 So this was a report card that had some hopeful news, but it also had some tough things that

535
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,480
 the city needed to hear.

536
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,240
 They also -- the consultant heard hope for the future.

537
00:34:11,240 --> 00:34:17,480
 You know, the community wants more unity and harmony among the races and to improve that,

538
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:23,400
 and so we need to work as a city to fulfill that.

539
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,120
 They want improved communication over and over.

540
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,140
 You heard, we need more communication with the city.

541
00:34:30,140 --> 00:34:33,520
 Provide opportunities for the younger generation to live and work in Denton.

542
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:40,840
 As Mia kind of showed you, Denton's a young city.

543
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:41,840
 We're a college town.

544
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,280
 We've got a lot of young people here, and southeast Denton is a reflection of that.

545
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,400
 It has a lot of young people, and we want to make sure that our young people, if they

546
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:53,880
 want to stay in Denton, that they can, that they have jobs and they have places to live.

547
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:58,620
 Some residents would support new development if they were held harmless from an increase

548
00:34:58,620 --> 00:34:59,880
 in that property value.

549
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,280
 Once again, we're looking at things like displacement and gentrification.

550
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,060
 So how do we make improvements in the community?

551
00:35:06,060 --> 00:35:15,000
 How do we allow that new housing development while not harming those existing residents?

552
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,480
 How do we alleviate concerns related to development, gentrification?

553
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,000
 All of those go hand in hand.

554
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,520
 Stabilized property tax increases.

555
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,960
 Once again, property taxes.

556
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,660
 And finally, we just need to acknowledge that past harm from the unjust practices and that

557
00:35:29,660 --> 00:35:34,600
 traumatic event, that generational trauma associated with Quaker Town Park.

558
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:41,760
 These were really productive conversations, and we're glad we've started this dialogue.

559
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,440
 But there were lessons learned.

560
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,640
 With every project, with everything that we do, we look and say, "Okay, what could we

561
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:48,640
 have done better?"

562
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:49,640
 Or, "What worked?

563
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:50,640
 What didn't work?

564
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,040
 How do we need to improve?"

565
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,840
 And we did that with this project as well.

566
00:35:54,840 --> 00:36:02,480
 So based upon our analysis, those who attended that first listening session, the sessions,

567
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,680
 the group of them, they were 55 and older, the majority.

568
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:14,120
 So we got that older end of the cohort, the baby boomers, the Gen Xs, and then the silent

569
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,120
 generation.

570
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,160
 But the consultant was like, "We need to hear from younger people.

571
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,240
 We need the millennials, and we need the Gen Z," because those are who we plan for, right?

572
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:24,780
 We're planning for our kids.

573
00:36:24,780 --> 00:36:26,600
 So we added the second round of listening sessions.

574
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,040
 We wanted to see if we could try again, go back to the well.

575
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,120
 We added translations and interpreters for that second round.

576
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:39,440
 We wanted to make sure that we included all members of the community, and that includes

577
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,800
 our members of the community who speak Spanish.

578
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,780
 We added intercept surveys, and that was a really cool thing I'm going to talk about

579
00:36:45,780 --> 00:36:46,960
 in the next slide.

580
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,520
 And then we identified ways we just need to stay in the community.

581
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:55,960
 For the first listening sessions, we sent out postcards, and we sent out emails and

582
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:56,960
 social media.

583
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,400
 But those were kind of arm's length marketing efforts.

584
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,720
 And we realized we needed to be in the community.

585
00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:06,720
 So we looked at opportunities for pop-ups.

586
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:11,920
 We went to the Juneteenth celebration at Fred Moore.

587
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:16,320
 We went to Fred Moore's school, and me and I did for career day.

588
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,880
 We go to Sudden and LULAC meetings as often as we can to promote the plan, and they have

589
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,160
 been so welcoming and generous with that time on the agendas.

590
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:31,640
 We added yard signs, flyers to area businesses, and we're continuing to learn.

591
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:38,240
 So if you have any suggestions on how to promote all of our activities, we'd love to hear it.

592
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:43,200
 We're talking to our younger steering committee members to say, how do we get the young people

593
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,040
 to these activities?

594
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,000
 So we're trying to continually improve.

595
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:54,160
 We also modified that process to add that second bit of round two listening sessions

596
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:59,680
 as well as other engagement, kind of replaced a design charrette, because we felt like it

597
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,840
 just wasn't the time for that yet.

598
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,440
 So we're modifying as we move forward.

599
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,480
 And then just a little bit about the intercept surveys.

600
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:11,560
 So these were really cool.

601
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,320
 They were man on the street interviews.

602
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,160
 We wanted to capture those voices.

603
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,600
 Not everybody wants to come to a community meeting.

604
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,260
 Maybe they don't have the time.

605
00:38:21,260 --> 00:38:23,540
 Maybe they feel like there might be a language barrier.

606
00:38:23,540 --> 00:38:25,840
 Maybe they just have other engagements.

607
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:31,480
 And so our consultant group said, we need to go where people are and just grab them

608
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:32,760
 off the street.

609
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,720
 So we had two sessions at MLK when parents were picking up kids from camp.

610
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:44,640
 We grabbed them and we gave the kids a lollipop and we interviewed the parents.

611
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:50,520
 We also had another session of intercept surveys at a local restaurant on a Saturday during

612
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:51,740
 the lunch rush.

613
00:38:51,740 --> 00:38:56,200
 We had interpreters so those community members felt comfortable and they could communicate

614
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,420
 the information.

615
00:38:57,420 --> 00:39:00,620
 And our interpreters were so great.

616
00:39:00,620 --> 00:39:05,240
 One of them even got in the car with a couple of people to -- because it was really hot

617
00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:09,840
 to interview people so that they would -- so they just really got into it.

618
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:17,440
 And we got a lot of responses and our consultant is working on that information now.

619
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,540
 We also, as Mia alluded to, we have a great steering committee.

620
00:39:21,540 --> 00:39:28,600
 They are just an incredibly thoughtful group who they're not afraid to share their opinions

621
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,820
 and concerns and really that's what they want.

622
00:39:30,820 --> 00:39:32,520
 That's why they're here.

623
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,200
 So we have appointed right now nine members.

624
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,480
 We've got two more appointees that are pending.

625
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:39,480
 So that'll make 11.

626
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:40,720
 So I think we've got a good group.

627
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:44,520
 I think we're pretty much set on that steering committee.

628
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,800
 That first meeting was June 23rd.

629
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,640
 Their purpose was to provide feedback.

630
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:56,720
 So our consultant group really talked to the steering committee about what they heard at

631
00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:59,160
 that first round of listening sessions to validate that information.

632
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,520
 Does this sound right to you?

633
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:01,840
 Does this not sound right?

634
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,720
 What would you add to it?

635
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:06,840
 And so they got a lot of good feedback then.

636
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,400
 They're going to meet at key milestones.

637
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:13,160
 They're going to meet again on the 25th before the visioning.

638
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,740
 And we want them to talk and share.

639
00:40:15,740 --> 00:40:22,840
 We also want them to attend public meetings and really talk up the plan out in the community.

640
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,340
 They did choose the logo, which I think is a great logo.

641
00:40:26,340 --> 00:40:30,200
 We really put the consultant group through the paces on the logo.

642
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:35,120
 We made them fix and change and do this and try that.

643
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:41,080
 And then we gave the steering committee like nine options and then a lot of options for

644
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,080
 taglines.

645
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,340
 And they said, oh, no, we need to do more.

646
00:40:44,340 --> 00:40:51,940
 So they said, put in more roots because the community has tremendously deep roots.

647
00:40:51,940 --> 00:40:55,540
 We talked to residents who are like, this is where my grandfather lived and I played

648
00:40:55,540 --> 00:40:57,600
 in my friend's house down the street.

649
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,900
 So the roots run really deep in Southeast Denton.

650
00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:02,320
 So that was really important to them.

651
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,520
 They also modified the tagline, which I think is great.

652
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:11,080
 And we're going to put that on everything we can.

653
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:15,920
 You have a little bottle of water and we put a sticker on it.

654
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:22,200
 And so branding is ready and we're going to start moving forward with that.

655
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,500
 So final upcoming events.

656
00:41:24,500 --> 00:41:28,080
 We have a visioning workshop on August 26th.

657
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,480
 That is at American Legion.

658
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,160
 That is intended to have hands-on exercises.

659
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:37,800
 So now we're getting to those maybe more typical planning exercises that you see where we're

660
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:43,160
 talking about where they're giving us preferences and talking about what do you want your streets

661
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,840
 to look like and what kind of housing would you like to see and what would you like in

662
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:47,840
 the park.

663
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:53,160
 So we're going to start talking about more of those real actionable items.

664
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,460
 It's from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. on on that day.

665
00:41:56,460 --> 00:41:58,040
 You don't have to stay for four hours.

666
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,040
 It's a come and go.

667
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,040
 There will be two presentations.

668
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,840
 There are 30 minute presentations.

669
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,360
 So if you can try to be there to catch a presentation.

670
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,640
 Mia said you have homework.

671
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,280
 You each have five flyers.

672
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:20,000
 I am challenging you to pass out five flyers to five individuals and then ask me for more.

673
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:26,880
 So I want we want to get as much as many people out as possible.

674
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:31,360
 I think Mia and I are going to be at the MLK Center on Friday night handing out flyers

675
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,680
 to parents as they as they drop off kids to the back to school event.

676
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,760
 So we're trying to get the kids.

677
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,960
 And then as I mentioned the steering committee are going to are going to be meeting the evening

678
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:43,960
 before.

679
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:51,560
 And then finally these are in somewhat order and we don't have specific dates but I did

680
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,560
 want to give you just kind of next steps and what the expectation is.

681
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:55,560
 So Tina is right.

682
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,880
 We really are trying to come to you and give you some information as the project moves

683
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:00,880
 along.

684
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,960
 So when when you get to the end there's not all this new information that you're going

685
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,080
 to be familiar with it.

686
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:12,000
 So after the visioning our consultant group is going to be providing us with some current

687
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,240
 conditions assessment and analysis.

688
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:15,240
 We're going to be giving feedback.

689
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:18,280
 We'll also be getting that out to the community.

690
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:24,680
 There's going to be joint PNZ and council workshops akin to what you recently had.

691
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,400
 They're going to provide those draft implementation strategies.

692
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,160
 They'll be online engagement.

693
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,720
 They'll be we're going to be providing all of this information at a community open house.

694
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:38,800
 And as I mentioned we're going to provide these staff updates throughout the process.

695
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,400
 That really concludes our presentation.

696
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:46,080
 If you have any questions Tina if I miss something jump on in now I was going to say both ladies

697
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,920
 you did a fabulous job with the presentation.

698
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:55,320
 I guess Julie if I could have you go back to the the process line the one with the boxes

699
00:43:55,320 --> 00:44:01,600
 on it that had implementation at the end.

700
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:07,040
 So we were talking with the team earlier this morning and in one of the things we realized

701
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:12,120
 is that several on the commission may not have been through this kind of area plan process.

702
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,320
 So just wanted to take a moment and I thought Mia did a great job explaining that but just

703
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:21,280
 to kind of reaffirm how these plans work and especially the process for them because we

704
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,440
 talk to people about you know trust the process that we've put in place.

705
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:30,120
 So it's note that you know each one of these phases built upon the next right.

706
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:36,040
 So you know like like Mia described earlier we have to do the fact finding mission first.

707
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,480
 We pull all the data that we can that's available.

708
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:46,120
 We also do stakeholder interviews and to keep people within within the community.

709
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,580
 Many times there's you know we've we develop a list behind the scenes of who we're trying

710
00:44:50,580 --> 00:44:54,440
 to make sure that we get feedback from that we talk to that we get our consultant team

711
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:59,560
 engaged with so that they get good strong information from from the start right.

712
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,640
 And that's with any of the three area plans that we have going on.

713
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,160
 So we have to do first of all that fact finding mission right.

714
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,880
 Then you know you take all the data and all the research that we pull together you take

715
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,120
 all of the conversations that we've had especially like on this project we started with the listening

716
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:15,320
 sessions right.

717
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,320
 So our consultant team and staff is learning we're hearing things from the community right

718
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,280
 we're asking them pointed questions to get that feedback.

719
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,680
 So all of that provides the foundation for which we're starting the project and we take

720
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:31,640
 all of that and we start to identify you know initial items you know coming forward the

721
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:37,240
 key themes that are resonating you know is there a uniqueness associated in the data.

722
00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:42,880
 What are we hearing from the community and and then we do you know further engagement

723
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:47,720
 to try and pull more information out because we all of that information that we receive

724
00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:51,440
 starts to identify those challenges and opportunities right.

725
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:56,480
 Some might say the strengths weaknesses opportunities and threats right with within within a project

726
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:02,920
 area but we take all of that information and then we start working on OK what is the plan

727
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,640
 that needs to be put forth and that we need to draft.

728
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,760
 You know we've got all this information here.

729
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:13,360
 So what's the plan need to address these were the challenges that we've heard.

730
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,760
 We know we have these opportunities that are out there but these opportunities might be

731
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,040
 hindered by some of the challenges that are identified.

732
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,160
 So how do we make those two work together instead of working against each other.

733
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,880
 How we put we start to to culminate that first draft right.

734
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,320
 Then we typically will put that back out in the community and say OK here's what we've

735
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:32,320
 come up with.

736
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,200
 Do you feel like this is addressing what we've heard right.

737
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,600
 Are you comfortable with what we're proposing right.

738
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,400
 Are we getting this right.

739
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,200
 Are there any areas that you're hearing any concern about.

740
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,680
 But we take that feedback then and then we put more the polishing touches on the plan

741
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,640
 and then we start to think about all the strategies then that come into play from an implementation

742
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:56,480
 standpoint and because and because we want to make sure that whatever plan we put in

743
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,360
 place that the strategies that we've identified those action items they're going to help this

744
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,360
 plan come to fruition.

745
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:07,160
 But I want to emphasize that because like I said each process builds upon the next.

746
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,880
 There will be times where we'll have conversations you know we've got joint PNZ and council meeting

747
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:11,880
 here on this one.

748
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,760
 There will be times where we're going to try to pull the groups together.

749
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:21,120
 We do that also to be able to help with disseminating information out to the group so that so that

750
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,600
 you get it all at once.

751
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,400
 If there's key direction that's needed let's face it council is the policy decision makers

752
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:31,120
 right and provides that direction then everybody is hearing what what that direction is.

753
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,960
 So we're trying to build the plan throughout and make sure we've got the right players

754
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,720
 in place because last thing I want to get to is adoption and like for example have the

755
00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:43,280
 planning and zoning commission on and council on two different spectrums right.

756
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,560
 We don't want to have to go back and redo all the work that we've just done.

757
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:51,080
 So but same with utilizing the steering committee the steering committee is able to help us

758
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:56,580
 validate information challenges also in the information that we're presenting if there's

759
00:47:56,580 --> 00:48:00,240
 something that they feel that we're not addressing or that we're missing that we're getting that

760
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:01,760
 feedback right.

761
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,760
 But ultimately we want to get to a plan adoption.

762
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:10,280
 Not everybody is usually happy in the end on these there are a lot of times there we're

763
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,480
 trying to look to find the common ground on these with any area plan project that work

764
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:15,480
 on.

765
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,160
 But the key thing is we want to get to implementation because implementation where the rubber hits

766
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:24,560
 the road right that's when we're able to start really working on those action items to help

767
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,720
 that plan come to fruition right.

768
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:32,440
 This plan might take us 20 years to get there but we have to start somewhere right.

769
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,840
 So this plan gives us the roadmap division of what we're trying to achieve for the area

770
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:41,840
 with the community's assistant and in this plan this will not be something that's just

771
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,520
 owned by the planning department here at the city of Dunton.

772
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,280
 There are other key players that are involved in this whether there are other departments

773
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,680
 that are involved here at the city of Dunton or potentially other organizations.

774
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:55,560
 And so we try to identify who those partners are that we're working with in these efforts.

775
00:48:55,560 --> 00:49:01,520
 So I just I wanted to you know get kind of that's the planning tool one version if you

776
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:07,200
 will just on how these plans work why we have this process why you'll see the process is

777
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:12,080
 a little similar amongst the area plans but we also we we articulate them and we refine

778
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,920
 them based upon what the project is one of the things I can't recall if Mia mentioned

779
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,760
 this or not but we used to have you know when we originally put together the scope of work

780
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,920
 on the Southeast Denton plan one of the items we had in there was a design charrette well

781
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,680
 usually a design charrette you get folks together and they start providing feedback maybe you're

782
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:33,480
 looking at a specific area maybe looking at some sort of concept that's coming about of

783
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,200
 how an area could evolve and develop well one of the concerns from the consultant team

784
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:41,640
 is look if we go out and do a design charrette that results in some sort of plan that shows

785
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,240
 how development could happen in this particular area you know that's not going to be well

786
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:48,760
 received by the community because the community will think it's just one more thing of development

787
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:55,240
 happening in Southeast Denton right and and we know we have development interest in Southeast

788
00:49:55,240 --> 00:50:00,920
 Denton we have properties that have interest in by developers wanting to develop them we

789
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,400
 have current landowners who own those properties who have interest in potentially wanting to

790
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:09,360
 develop them but if we come forth with a design a plan that was a result of a design charrette

791
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:14,480
 then then that may not be as well received in that that might be viewed as well that's

792
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,840
 just another way the city's trying to get development in Southeast Denton right so it's

793
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:23,000
 you know we're very cognizant of those kind of conversations and the feedback being received

794
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:28,960
 so hence why we have adjust our plan process we've removed the design charrette and so

795
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,120
 in and we're working with our consultant on identifying okay what are some adjustments

796
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:37,200
 maybe that we need to have in the plan document the one thing that I have challenged him with

797
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,000
 and I've told him is like at the end I still need a future land use map so if we have a

798
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:46,720
 plan that really focuses on community engagement housing choices what that might look like

799
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:51,400
 where development would occur at the end of the day I still need a future land use map

800
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:56,080
 to help my decision-making authorities when when we do get requests for rezoning or if

801
00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:00,880
 the city decides decides to change some of the zoning within the area that that is a

802
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:08,520
 component of the plan and so when we get to implementation we can work on that aspect

803
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:14,860
 the other aspect is remember this project area it's about 600 acres yes so in in so

804
00:51:14,860 --> 00:51:18,960
 many times we have a tendency to hone in on one particular or two particular groups of

805
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:23,160
 people that are providing much feedback but remember we and the other thing I'll add is

806
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:27,000
 these boundaries they're still being massaged and trying to figure out what these boundaries

807
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,200
 of this plan area is part of our community workshop engagement activities is to help

808
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,080
 figure out from the community okay when you think of Southeast Denton what do you think

809
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:40,360
 Southeast Denton is right what property is what areas are included so we that that's

810
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,560
 going to be part of that that engagement effort but like I said it includes 600 acres those

811
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:52,840
 600 acres are represented by property owners business owners organizations that are there

812
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,920
 you know the city we're a stakeholder within the project area but we're really trying to

813
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:04,600
 hear from all and you know not just 20 or 25 people that might normally be spokespersons

814
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:09,080
 for the area but trying to hear from all persons that are there especially hence you know the

815
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:14,160
 adjustment in the public engagement we realized we were not hearing from the younger demographic

816
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:19,000
 within in our public engagement so hence why we retooled and went back out a second time

817
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:23,600
 we know we weren't reaching the Spanish-speaking community hence why we retooled and took translators

818
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:28,600
 out there with us to try engage because we know we have a large Hispanic population that

819
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,560
 is within the Southeast Denton area and if we don't have a means to communicate with

820
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,800
 folks who were English is not their primary language then we need to adjust our methods

821
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,680
 on trying to get their feedback but we also need to put a plan in place that helps address

822
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:47,780
 everybody's future who has a stake within this as well the last thing and I know we'll

823
00:52:47,780 --> 00:52:52,440
 put this presentation out there and send it to you so you have it we put all of this information

824
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:58,040
 out on discuss Denton Julie and Mia I mean these two ladies are found in pavement and

825
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:03,200
 really trying to help with getting the word out and get people engaged I can't be more

826
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,440
 proud of the work and everything that they've done they've drug other planners along with

827
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:11,020
 them I know Sean's been out in the heat with them I think Bryce and Cameron and Ashley

828
00:53:11,020 --> 00:53:15,200
 Erin I think was in the photo these women have really worked hard to try and get the

829
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:19,960
 public engagement and the feedback that's out there but but to that point though you

830
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:24,480
 know if people have questions about what's happening on this project direct them to discuss

831
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,640
 Denton we are so transparent we're trying to put everything out there so that people

832
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,840
 have access to all the information one of the things we've heard in Southeast Denton

833
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:37,680
 is well I don't want I don't like using technology okay you know then tell people call this planning

834
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:42,280
 department here's a phone number ask for Julie Mia if you can't get in touch with them ask

835
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:48,080
 for me or any of the other planners right I need you all to help them help people within

836
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,760
 the community get in touch with my team if they're not interested or not comfortable

837
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,960
 with going out to look at discuss Denton or maybe they looked at discuss Denton and they

838
00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:00,240
 don't understand the information that's out there so please direct them to contact my

839
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:06,800
 team and the last thing and I promise I'll be quiet but is Julie if you could go to the

840
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:14,880
 key themes and then I believe after that was the the hope for the future.

841
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,080
 So again so if you go back to key themes I would encourage you go back and take a look

842
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:23,400
 at these and you know the team's done a great job pulling this together some of this we

843
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,640
 anticipated I mean when you think about we've got the whole neighborhood torn up with infrastructure

844
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:32,400
 projects going on I expected to hear streets being an issue we know we've had this meeting

845
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,880
 on some of the streets I expected that to come up and I wanted to clarify something

846
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:41,440
 that Julie said earlier we did not purposely schedule the listening sessions to sync up

847
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:46,840
 when the tech statements were coming out that was purely coincidental because our consultant

848
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:51,360
 team was like wow we're getting a lot of comments about this particular issue in the tax fears

849
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,720
 and people's taxes going up and then it dawned on us it's like oh hey we all got our tax

850
00:54:55,720 --> 00:55:01,200
 bills in the mail and so but so we expected that once we realized it's like okay it makes

851
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,900
 sense now it's what what are the things that are happening in the community right there

852
00:55:04,900 --> 00:55:09,480
 and then that that we heard coming out of that engagement but I think more importantly

853
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:15,240
 it's the next slide because this helps provide some of the foundation for as we as we work

854
00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:18,820
 towards putting the plan in place you know earlier I said each phase builds upon the

855
00:55:18,820 --> 00:55:23,720
 next so what we're hearing here from on this slide helps us with developing our plan for

856
00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:27,920
 the future so again would encourage you go back take a look at this again our goal is

857
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:33,320
 to help consolidate that knowledge gap so when we get to key points within the decision

858
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:38,880
 making process you all are better informed as Julie mentioned the entire slide deck and

859
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:43,120
 the results from all of the engagement efforts we're waiting on some of the pieces from the

860
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:47,120
 listening sessions around to we'll make sure that we put that out there but we're trying

861
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,920
 to be as transparent as possible putting all of that information out there so that that

862
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,920
 the community is seeing this data and this information that's coming out just like we

863
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:59,800
 are so I'll get off my planning soapbox now so thank you.

864
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:05,000
 Thank you Tina and Julie and Mia Commissioner McDade.

865
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,000
 Thank you chair.

866
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:13,040
 I first I have I have a comment then I have a question at the beginning of Mia's presentation

867
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:20,880
 she talked about trust and I've talked to some of the individual or some of the residents

868
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:26,920
 and right now the trust is being the lack of trust is being replaced with fear from

869
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:32,800
 that simple fact is the Denver Chronicle had the article about the northeast development

870
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:38,860
 plan and pretty much let out that the citizens are thinking that the city is not listening

871
00:56:38,860 --> 00:56:45,640
 to the residents that fear is already at that fear is already in Southeast Denton and now

872
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:55,760
 it's ten times more and then because of you know because of that article and I've tried

873
00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:01,200
 to tell them I mean you let's separate the two let's not judge whatever's gonna happen

874
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:06,640
 in Southeast Denton to what went on in the northeast of a plan so that that's one of

875
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:13,000
 the fears right now the second is the question I have is do you have a list of the members

876
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:17,400
 of the steering committee because right now I'm getting all the phone calls I'm getting

877
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:22,920
 the knocks on the door and I'm like if I can get the list of the steering committee I can

878
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:27,000
 let you talk to them one-on-one instead of me trying but I don't even have a list of

879
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:31,960
 the steering committee we can yeah we can get that in and because we've got also that

880
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:37,600
 in the council packet we can post that AIS also when folks have gotten appointed because

881
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,680
 we've got a couple more that we're adding you know I wanted to address so um so the

882
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:45,900
 Denton record Chronicle you know we work hard on trying to provide them with factual

883
00:57:45,900 --> 00:57:48,920
 information but at the end of the day they're gonna write what they're gonna write right

884
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:53,160
 so you know there there are folks that they're talking to within the community of course

885
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:58,080
 trying to get their feedback so I would ask you also though to fact-check with us and

886
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:02,880
 with what's being published you know as these are two different projects what's happening

887
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,960
 in Northeast Denton is different than what's happening in Southeast and I and Christian

888
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:11,440
 and I've actually had that conversation in the past because one of the times we had he

889
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:16,040
 did an article earlier on about Southeast Denton and he was really questioning our process

890
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:21,400
 and why we weren't doing the same exact engagement efforts in Southeast Denton as we were in

891
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:25,800
 Northeast Denton and we really had to drive home to him that the only two things that

892
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:30,480
 these projects really have in common is that they're called an area plan but those area

893
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:36,080
 plans are customized based upon the project area the issues within the community that

894
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:40,440
 are happening you know what what the process and efforts that are applied in one area of

895
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:44,760
 town are not necessarily the same process and efforts that are best to be used in another

896
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:49,800
 area of town you'll find that when we work on the downtown area plan that will take a

897
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,560
 different approach potentially with how we engage the community the order of which we

898
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:58,880
 engage the community the types of activities that we do within the community because we

899
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:04,360
 have different users of the area within the community is it's you know it's I know there

900
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,880
 there's tries to be parallels drawn between the Northeast plan and the Southeast plan

901
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:12,200
 because some of the members of the team the consultant team are the same but those teams

902
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:16,280
 are not exactly the same those teams have been built based upon what the unique issues

903
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:21,000
 are within the community if people are fearful about what's potentially happening as it relates

904
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,880
 to the Southeast Denton area plan or even the Northeast didn't plan as I've told them

905
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,400
 is there more than welcome to contact me and talk with us they're also welcome to talk

906
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:32,560
 with anybody on my team who's involved in this there are some who think that there's

907
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:37,760
 a predetermined outcome is what the plan is going to say in with any of the area plans

908
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:43,720
 that that is not the case I can assure you of that we might have some ideas that might

909
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:49,640
 that we started with at the beginning that may eventually prove themselves as we work

910
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:55,880
 on these projects or those ideas may be further determined to be the wrong ideas for the area

911
00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:00,800
 that that's why we goes through such engage extensive public engagement as it relates

912
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:06,640
 to these projects so you know I think anytime you read anything online or anything that's

913
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:12,440
 published right I'm always you know fact check right reach out to us if there are any questions

914
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:18,600
 on that you know and then the the other thing you know you mentioned it it's keep these

915
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,040
 projects separate keep all three of these projects separate for that matter you know

916
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:25,460
 one of the narratives that were that we're having to work through right now is that there

917
01:00:25,460 --> 01:00:32,040
 are some who think that that we are trying to expand downtown into Southeast Denton right

918
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:36,520
 we know that that narrative is out there that's not necessarily the case that's why we want

919
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,080
 to hear from the community what do you consider Southeast Denton right what do you consider

920
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:46,440
 parts of downtown you know that area around the rail station right is is is an area that

921
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,920
 we're interested in hearing from the community as what what part of town do you think that

922
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:55,320
 is or maybe it's really not a part of either town areas of our town and maybe it's a third

923
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,800
 area you know who knows what we're going to hear from the community but but the other

924
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,920
 thing is that we need to think about is downtown can also provide for some opportunities that

925
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:08,600
 benefit residents without within Southeast Denton I would love it for residents of Southeast

926
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:13,040
 Denton to be able to find downtown and inviting place where they feel like they're welcome

927
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,840
 and can come to some of what we heard in the public engagement is that they don't feel

928
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:22,480
 welcome in downtown well why is that right so so those those are some of the challenges

929
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:26,480
 and that we're having to work through as it as it relates to both of these so you know

930
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,160
 that we know that that narrative is out there but I can assure you you know we're not coming

931
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:35,180
 into this with any preconceived plans already developed that is not the case and and I can't

932
01:01:35,180 --> 01:01:36,480
 emphasize that enough.

933
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:46,880
 I just wanted to address Tina you know you talk about what's considered downtown it was

934
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,760
 actually brought to a setting a meeting that you know where they build in the railroad

935
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:55,600
 apartments I think that's the track yes you know we're told you know the neighbor was

936
01:01:55,600 --> 01:02:01,000
 told you know the city has already deemed this area as is no longer Southeast Denton

937
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:06,600
 it's downtown so that so that narrative is out there and it just building that the more

938
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:12,080
 the more you creep into Southeast Denton the more that narratives are going away and it's

939
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:18,280
 becoming downtown that that's the fear because the whole time Trinity was there it was downtown

940
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:24,000
 I mean it was North Southeast Denton now that there is a housing structure there well it's

941
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:28,000
 no longer Southeast Denton we're going to call it downtown so that was actually brought

942
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,120
 from a city official.

943
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:35,840
 Well and I think part so and I think part of the challenge with that area being now

944
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:40,680
 dubbed as downtown and I had this conversation with the city official and some others as

945
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:46,720
 well and even the Dunn record Chronicle because Julie and I had a conversation with them some

946
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:53,040
 of the challenge in the narrative behind the scenes is so we have the downtown tax increment

947
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:58,000
 reinvestment zone it's the downtown TERS right so if you were to look at a map of all of

948
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,520
 the properties that are within the downtown TERS that map if my resources are correctly

949
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:07,720
 it goes east and west it goes and it pulls in that area around the train station right

950
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,680
 it doesn't run north and south like our past planning efforts have done so there's this

951
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:16,080
 challenge in the narrative of you know you look at the downtown TERS plan that we did

952
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:20,560
 or assuming the D tip plan that we did and the past master plan and you look at those

953
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,680
 boundaries and how they're drawn those boundaries are different than the TERS district boundaries

954
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:29,720
 and how they were drawn and so to me that just leads into part of the the challenging

955
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:33,560
 part of the conversation of well is this area really downtown is it part of Southeast Denton

956
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:39,080
 you look at the old area plan that was done in the 1960s for Southeast who's 60s or newer

957
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:44,240
 than that was no it was it was in the 90s I believe 90s okay sorry I will off there

958
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:48,360
 okay but but there was an older plan that was done for Southeast Denton you know you'll

959
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:52,680
 look at the boundaries that was drawn of the original Southeast Denton that was part of

960
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:57,040
 the basis for where we started with some of the boundaries that we drew on here but areas

961
01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:02,080
 evolve it within cities times evolve right and so you know we have to be able to respond

962
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:06,360
 to those conditions so you know and that's why we're interested in hearing from the community

963
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,760
 you know today those people who live within the community do you really consider that

964
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:14,520
 area around the rail station as part of Southeast Denton do you really could view it as part

965
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:18,600
 of downtown or do you really think it's kind of disconnected and not really part of either

966
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:23,560
 by their area but that's why we do this engagement but I know that turs map because Christian

967
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:28,160
 I were talking about in Julie it we realized that our economic our director of economic

968
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:32,960
 development had given a presentation to council and in his presentation was that map there

969
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:37,720
 was also a map that showed about possibly expanding the turs boundaries farther south

970
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:44,520
 and in so those boundaries of that particular map don't sync up with boundaries of our past

971
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:49,400
 downtown plan which don't sync up with boundaries of our past Southeast Denton area plans so

972
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:54,080
 you know since so hence why the community so confused as to what each area of town is

973
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:59,280
 right because the information that's out there is what it is you know lastly I would add

974
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:04,320
 you know on the on the turs I think what people don't necessarily realize and is that properties

975
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:09,080
 that are included within the tax increment financing district you try and go and capture

976
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:15,040
 properties have that have the potential for improvement value over time any properties

977
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:20,360
 that are within those district boundaries as the property value increases within that

978
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:26,080
 boundary right then that incremental increase those monies are specifically typically ear

979
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:31,720
 march for that area so you know so if the turs district boundary was expanded to include

980
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:36,200
 some other areas that might normally not be considered part of downtown let's say we went

981
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:41,380
 and grabbed some land you know some areas north of the traditional downtown area those

982
01:05:41,380 --> 01:05:45,960
 properties benefit from any of that incremental revenue that can be invested back on those

983
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:50,440
 so you know so you know I ask people keep an open mind but again if they've got questions

984
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:54,680
 concerns that's why we're here as subject matter experts for people to be able to reach

985
01:05:54,680 --> 01:06:01,020
 out to okay just one last question but this for either you or on that the thing coming

986
01:06:01,020 --> 01:06:06,440
 up you know you say you can reach out to Tina yourself or Mia I mean they all have if they

987
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:11,840
 wanted to go online what actually will they look under discussed in or your numbers on

988
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:17,520
 our discussed in or there are certain page that they can go to or maybe at this workshop

989
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:23,080
 you can give them the information that they need absolutely so discussed in on that home

990
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:29,080
 page landing page of discussed it and there's right now I think it's a map of just those

991
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:33,200
 conceptual boundaries of the plan I think we're gonna replace that with the logo because

992
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:39,680
 we love it so much but the logos on logos there all of your contact information is there

993
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:46,120
 is there there's a yeah you can sign up to get updates it's well done so yeah discuss

994
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:53,640
 them yeah we do realize a lot of members of the community are just they don't want to

995
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:57,560
 go to a website to find information so yes feel free to give out my information I can

996
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:01,680
 give you a stack of cards I can give them to the steering committee and and members

997
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:07,040
 of the community can contact us so yeah we're here to help all right thank you and yeah

998
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:10,600
 and then just keep the communication going and make sure they see this presentation too

999
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:15,320
 if they have concerns about that article that you mentioned you know it just shows that

1000
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:20,680
 I mean as Tina said every plan is unique and that is how the city is approaching it so

1001
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:25,160
 yeah we just need to keep keep talking about that and communicating them putting that out

1002
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:31,680
 there and showing them you know yeah okay great yeah especially in southeast end we

1003
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:40,400
 do know that yeah Commissioner Pruitt did you have a question thank you I will attempt

1004
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:45,360
 to be very short on the process slide you had a thing on there that was public meeting

1005
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:49,600
 with PNZ and council and then there was a separate workshop I just trying to make sure

1006
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:54,480
 I understand what the process is are those two separate things is it the bottom of the

1007
01:07:54,480 --> 01:08:05,320
 purple in the middle yes so that it is you know I don't I don't I don't know if we met

1008
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:10,120
 the same thing on that I apologize I'm sure there will be plenty of announcements there

1009
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:16,240
 will be the joint workshops as well as those joint meetings to make sure that we stay on

1010
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:20,560
 on track with the plan and that we're getting to good direction sounds great I'll just say

1011
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:27,560
 gold star I'm really looking forward to seeing kind of what the output is one thing I will

1012
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:34,600
 say that you mentioned there was a lot of talk about gentrification fears and displacement

1013
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:39,120
 I think it would help me and I imagine it would help the rest of the body when we get

1014
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:46,160
 further along down that road if the concerns can be more clearly defined to what their

1015
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:53,360
 fears are my impression is that gentrification is a term that is kind of like a pinata that

1016
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:57,780
 people put the candy in that they don't like and then you seal it up and you're not really

1017
01:08:57,780 --> 01:09:06,280
 sure what's in it if that makes sense absolutely and go ahead go ahead well I just and so like

1018
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:13,200
 I said this is kind of a summary of what we've heard we're going to be getting a much fuller

1019
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:18,520
 presentation from the from the consultant that takes those key themes and actually gives

1020
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:23,760
 maybe more supporting more information related to it so we'll make sure that we have that

1021
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:28,680
 and if it does if we don't have that what we can get it right because related to that

1022
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:34,240
 like one of the things our consultant team has brought to us is that is that people with

1023
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:38,600
 that they have talked to that we've heard through through our public engagement several

1024
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:43,440
 are actually interested in development happening in southeast denton right but then it's okay

1025
01:09:43,440 --> 01:09:49,560
 how does that development occur in southeast denton and what what strategies can we help

1026
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:56,520
 put in place to alleviate the concerned about property tax increase and into our team's

1027
01:09:56,520 --> 01:10:02,760
 credit we we did a we had a meeting several months ago or I shouldn't say so like times

1028
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:06,660
 getting away from you probably two months ago but we had but we had official officials

1029
01:10:06,660 --> 01:10:10,280
 there from the central appraisal district and I was like oh do I want to sit next to

1030
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:14,840
 you all and pick your brains and I sat at their table and and we were I mean everybody

1031
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:19,320
 at our table and our consultant also we were trying to understand okay what tools do you

1032
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:23,480
 all have in your tool chest to be able to help us with as we work through trying to

1033
01:10:23,480 --> 01:10:27,200
 address some of these concerns and what we learned is you know just like our authority

1034
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:31,800
 comes from the state government and what's in the state statutes right so does theirs

1035
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:37,560
 and and they have an obligation to assess properties in response to market conditions

1036
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:42,680
 right so they're not exactly the the favorite organization come every april when it's they

1037
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:48,300
 send us their their the tax statement right but but they they're their responsibilities

1038
01:10:48,300 --> 01:10:52,400
 and their job tasks are outlined in state statutes right you know those individuals

1039
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:55,480
 they're just doing their jobs right they're they're doing it based upon what the state

1040
01:10:55,480 --> 01:11:00,960
 of texas directs them to do and so so we were really trying to pick their brain of

1041
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:06,320
 okay what what all options are available in your tool chest that we can use to be able

1042
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:13,560
 to help maybe put some strategies in place to help help with minimizing that property

1043
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:18,360
 tax growth or alleviating that property tax growth or if they do go up you know what what

1044
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:22,480
 options do we have that we can be able to implement I've also challenged him this was

1045
01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:26,760
 kind of interesting so I challenged him I said you know what do you all hear from others

1046
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:30,840
 you know within your profession right you know presumably you go to your related conferences

1047
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:35,560
 right and you learn from others and what successful tools and tactics are being done in your profession

1048
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:40,500
 maybe there's something that we can you know learn from some other states and employ here

1049
01:11:40,500 --> 01:11:45,080
 in in texas and with our project and they told us that texas is actually the gold star

1050
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:50,720
 is the gold standard in in that and I was like really but but I'm like help me understand

1051
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:56,800
 more so you know the way we do things in texas apparently is held in high regard and compared

1052
01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:01,520
 to the way people do business in some other states because like here you know we get an

1053
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:05,560
 annual property tax assessment I'm still trying to understand of how that all comes together

1054
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:11,320
 myself but but we get an annual statement right in other parts of our country they don't

1055
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:17,440
 necessarily get an annual statement that you know it might be once every so many years

1056
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:21,880
 so when when they say we're the gold standard then I'm like okay well I can start to understand

1057
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:28,160
 why why others want to achieve in with what we're doing here in our state so it's I thought

1058
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:31,820
 that was an interesting nugget that we were the gold star in in terms of their industry

1059
01:12:31,820 --> 01:12:36,280
 and and and others are trying to learn from us so but like I said know that we've really

1060
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:40,680
 challenged it and we're trying to learn what options are available you know if we come

1061
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:45,120
 up with some ideas that could potentially be beneficial for residents within Dunton it might

1062
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:50,120
 be something that has to where we work with our area representatives and try to influence

1063
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:54,160
 something at the legislature level level so but you know we're we're still putting our

1064
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,920
 thinking caps on that one.

1065
01:12:56,920 --> 01:13:02,160
 Commissioner Prudt did you have anything else no anyone else okay thank you for this this

1066
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:08,480
 is incredibly helpful we appreciate it well done and keep keep it going excited as it

1067
01:13:08,480 --> 01:13:14,680
 develops okay with that that ends our work session I will adjourn us at 6 14 p.m. and

1068
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:21,720
 we will meet in council chambers as close to 6 30 as we can.

1069
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:24,780
 Good evening and welcome to the city of Denton's planning and zoning Commission meeting for

1070
01:13:24,780 --> 01:13:32,360
 Wednesday August 9 2023 with a quorum present I will call us to order at 6 37 p.m. let the

1071
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:38,100
 record show that Commissioner Smith is absent first item on our agenda is the Pledge of

1072
01:13:38,100 --> 01:13:46,240
 Allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flags I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States

1073
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:55,240
 of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with

1074
01:13:55,240 --> 01:14:02,440
 liberty and justice for all under the Texas flag I pledge allegiance to the city of Texas

1075
01:14:02,440 --> 01:14:13,280
 state under God one indivisible thank you next on our agenda is consider approval of

1076
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:18,680
 the planning and zoning Commission meeting minutes for July 19 the Commissioner Villarreal

1077
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:24,980
 move approval Commissioner Cole second we've got a first and a second for approval any

1078
01:14:24,980 --> 01:14:38,760
 discussion let's vote please

1079
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:44,680
 that motion carries six zero that'll take us to our consent agenda this evening Commissioner

1080
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:50,440
 Villarreal move approval Commissioner Cole second got a first and a second to approve

1081
01:14:50,440 --> 01:15:05,240
 the consent agenda any discussion let's vote please

1082
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:10,720
 that motion carries six zero that will take us to our items for individual consideration

1083
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:22,800
 for a is our first item v 23 0004 me is making way up here hello hello chair members of the

1084
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:32,200
 Commission Mia Heinz associate planner this item is a variance request for a property

1085
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:38,600
 located just at the northeast corner of Nottingham Drive and Audre Lane the property is zoned

1086
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:46,600
 mixed use neighborhood the applicant is proposing a 122 unit multifamily residential development

1087
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:51,400
 and the variance is permit is to allow for that development to move forward with only

1088
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:57,560
 one one point of access as opposed to the two points of access that would be required

1089
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:04,400
 by our didn't development code so what we're looking at right now is the design itself

1090
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:09,440
 there's that main drive highlighted in yellow there and the right associated right turning

1091
01:16:09,440 --> 01:16:15,120
 lane that's needed to serve that drive ideally what we like to see here is what they're showing

1092
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:22,160
 that drive being aligned directly off or directly across from an existing drive that helps with

1093
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:28,480
 mobility both on the street and if there was any traffic moving in between those two developments

1094
01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:31,960
 and so that's what we're dealing with here I also wanted to highlight because it'll come

1095
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:37,400
 into play on some of the options that they provided that there is some ESA and some existing

1096
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:42,440
 tree canopy coverage that creates a bit of a challenge for this site and providing a

1097
01:16:42,440 --> 01:16:46,960
 second point of access so the applicant did put in a good faith effort to try to provide

1098
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:52,480
 a second point of access to their proposed development this drive option a would meet

1099
01:16:52,480 --> 01:16:58,120
 the transportation design criteria manual spacing of 150 feet from that main drive that

1100
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:05,760
 they are proposing but there is there is another piece of our of that code that limits access

1101
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:11,480
 permitted on an arterial with a secondary arterial which Nottingham Drive is we also

1102
01:17:11,480 --> 01:17:17,560
 require at intersections 335 feet minimum site clearance distance from the far side

1103
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:22,800
 and as you can see with the way that Nottingham Curves there is obstructed view because of

1104
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:27,040
 that that existing tree canopy coverage that they would have to maintain there and there's

1105
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:31,080
 also a slight if you pull up the contours for this for this site there's also a slight

1106
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:38,200
 downhill slope so anyone looking to try to see around that curve from traffic headed

1107
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:42,440
 south on Nottingham it's going to be really difficult for them additionally the way that

1108
01:17:42,440 --> 01:17:46,000
 this is presented that second drive doesn't really serve the point of a secondary point

1109
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:50,720
 of access because it feeds back into the main drive so again different other challenges

1110
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:54,680
 for this site as to why that drive option would not work they also presented this drive

1111
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:59,880
 option B again keeping in mind the minimum 150 foot spacing that we require would require

1112
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:05,680
 from that main drive again because we require that limited access on the arterial having

1113
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:12,240
 another drive on that arterial doesn't meet that that goal of that requirement it also

1114
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:18,360
 we also require a minimum 200 feet spacing from a driveway to the intersection for safety

1115
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:23,440
 purposes this is really close to Nottingham Drive because this is a triangular shaped

1116
01:18:23,440 --> 01:18:29,520
 property that presents some challenges and then it's also kind of it would lead into

1117
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:34,720
 the or it would this approach would come off of the D cell lane that right turn lane that's

1118
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:39,320
 there which again it wouldn't be able to provide its own right turn lane and it's just it's

1119
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:45,600
 not it's not safe and not ideal from a mobility standpoint they did a present another option

1120
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:50,040
 one driver off of Audre Lane again there's some issues with the spacing because this property

1121
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:55,800
 just doesn't have that much frontage off of Audre Lane so we they wouldn't be able to

1122
01:18:55,800 --> 01:19:05,520
 meet the 100 minimum feet spacing from a drive to intersection off of or between Audre Lane

1123
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:15,120
 and Nottingham Drive and then they also presented a fourth option that would require the demolition

1124
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:19,400
 of an existing structure and also dump some traffic onto residential property I think

1125
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:23,720
 that property was for sale which is why I want that that that came up as one of maybe

1126
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:29,400
 an option but like I said ideally it would it would dump that property onto a lower classified

1127
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:33,320
 street which is a residential street there and it would require the demolition of an

1128
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:39,440
 existing structure so we looked at this request and we put it up against our criteria for

1129
01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:45,280
 approval and ultimately given the property's shape the natural features like I said that

1130
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:50,840
 existing tramp tree canopy coverage the existing frontage it would be challenging for this

1131
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:54,960
 site to provide a second point of access in general that meets all of those requirements

1132
01:19:54,960 --> 01:20:00,040
 of our transportation design criteria manual and so with that we are recommending approval

1133
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:06,000
 of this request as it complies and that pretty much concludes my presentation but I will

1134
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:11,120
 gladly stand for any questions or comments and I believe the applicant is here if you

1135
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:12,600
 have any questions for them as well.

1136
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:18,920
 Thank you Mia. Any questions for Mia or the applicant? Commissioner Anderson.

1137
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:24,920
 Thank you Chair. Is this where the the garden the garden is now?

1138
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:30,080
 It's just south of that community garden it's just this is located just south of that community

1139
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:31,080
 garden.

1140
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:36,080
 Okay.

1141
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:40,600
 Any other questions for Mia? No? Okay.

1142
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:45,440
 Seeing none Chair can entertain a motion or discussion on this. Commissioner Pruitt.

1143
01:20:45,440 --> 01:20:47,560
 I'll move approval.

1144
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:48,560
 Commissioner McDade.

1145
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:49,560
 Second.

1146
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:57,240
 We've got a first and a second for approval. Any discussion? Okay seeing none let's vote

1147
01:20:57,240 --> 01:21:17,480
 on the board please. That motion carries 6-0. That will move us to 4-B. FR-23-0011. Erin's

1148
01:21:17,480 --> 01:21:19,320
 making her way up. Hello there.

1149
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:31,960
 Hello good evening Chair and members of the commission. Second. Okay Erin Stanley assistant

1150
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:41,960
 planner. This is FR-23-0011. This is a final replat of the Golden Triangle edition. This

1151
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:49,280
 is just northwest of Colorado Boulevard and South Loop 288. At this time the plot does

1152
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:54,040
 not meet all of our standards for approval so we would recommend denial but the applicant

1153
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:59,400
 has requested a one-time 30-day extension which could be granted to August 23rd. I stand

1154
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:11,400
 for any questions. Thank you Erin. Any questions for Erin? Thank you.

1155
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:17,280
 Chair can entertain. There you go Commissioner Villarreal. I move approval for the extension

1156
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:22,640
 request to date certain of August 23rd 2023. Okay Commissioner Pruitt. Second. We've got

1157
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:30,800
 a first and a second to approve the extension request to a date certain of August 23rd 2023.

1158
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:50,920
 Seeing no discussion let's vote on the board please. That motion carries 6-0. Item 4-C

1159
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:59,000
 has been withdrawn so we will not be taking action there. That will move us to 4-D FP-23-0020.

1160
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:05,980
 Hello Julie. Good evening. Julie Wyatt, principal planner. This is FP-23-0020. It is for the

1161
01:23:05,980 --> 01:23:13,400
 Kingsway subdivision. This is phase 1A. It is a single family residential subdivision.

1162
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:18,240
 Staff recommends denial at this time. They haven't quite met all of our standards for

1163
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:23,240
 approval of a final plot. However we have no objection to the requested extension to

1164
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:27,560
 August 23rd. I'll be happy to answer any questions. Thanks Julie. Any questions for

1165
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:37,360
 Julie? I do not see any. Thank you. Commissioner Anderson. Make a motion to for the approval

1166
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:42,600
 of the extension to date certain of August 23rd. Commissioner Cole. Second. Got a first

1167
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:49,120
 and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of August 23rd 2023. Any

1168
01:23:49,120 --> 01:24:03,640
 discussion? Let's vote on the board please. That motion carries 6-0. That will move us

1169
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:13,120
 to 4-E FP-23-0021. Julie's item again. All right. FP-23-0021. This is the same project

1170
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:22,040
 the Kingsway subdivision. This is phase 1B of that plot. Staff is recommending denial

1171
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:27,120
 as they don't meet all of our requirements for a final plot. However we have no objection

1172
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:32,960
 to the requested extension to the August 23rd meeting. I'll be happy to answer any questions.

1173
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:43,560
 Thanks Julie. I do not see any questions. Appreciate you. Commissioner Villarreal. Move

1174
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:48,480
 approval of the extension request to a date certain of August 23rd 2023. Commissioner

1175
01:24:48,480 --> 01:24:54,360
 Anderson. Second. We've got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a

1176
01:24:54,360 --> 01:25:10,320
 date certain of August 23rd 2023. Any discussion? Let's vote on the board please. That motion

1177
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:17,220
 carries 6-0. That will move us to our public hearings for this evening. Our first is 5-A

1178
01:25:17,220 --> 01:25:35,480
 E S A 22-0003. While Christy makes her way up I will open the public hearing. Thank you.

1179
01:25:35,480 --> 01:25:45,000
 This is an alternative ESA plan for Denton Crossing phase 3. And the site plan is currently

1180
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:52,640
 under review. The request is to fill in .19 acres of herbaceous wetlands to construct

1181
01:25:52,640 --> 01:26:02,160
 a parking space and an industrial site. The request is to relocate the habitat and ecological

1182
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:08,680
 services offered by the wetlands to a location that is closer to the waterway and outside

1183
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:17,240
 of the limits of the construction. So just a little background. There was a field assessment

1184
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:21,840
 that confirms that this is an undeveloped floodplain and that there is a water related

1185
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:29,360
 habitat or isolated wetlands that are interspersed throughout that wetland. And the mitigation

1186
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:38,640
 plan is to transfer the soils and the vegetation to a new location. This new location will

1187
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:46,480
 be excavated and then the soil is placed. And the idea is to have it closer to the waterway

1188
01:26:46,480 --> 01:26:54,960
 in order to allow for a better access to the hydrology and the relocation of the vegetation

1189
01:26:54,960 --> 01:27:00,440
 that already exists that it can just regrow in this new location and then supplemented

1190
01:27:00,440 --> 01:27:07,140
 with the seed mix in order to kind of get a restart or a kick start. And then to achieve

1191
01:27:07,140 --> 01:27:16,400
 a 60% vegetative cover. Notifications were made and we received one response in favor

1192
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:23,360
 of the project. And staff is recommending approval of the conditions that were in your

1193
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:30,040
 backup material. And with that I will take any questions that you might have.

1194
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:39,380
 >> Thank you, Christy. Any questions? Okay. Thank you. I do have one card wishing to speak

1195
01:27:39,380 --> 01:27:44,720
 on this item and that is the applicant. Amy Bissett. Hello, good evening.

1196
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:49,200
 >> Good evening, commissioners. I have a couple of slides but I will be brief and then I'm

1197
01:27:49,200 --> 01:28:01,320
 available to answer any questions that you may have. So I just wanted to give a brief

1198
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:07,240
 overview of what this proposed project entails and why. This is intended to be developed

1199
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:14,200
 as a truck staging area for new truck cabs that are coming off the Peterbilt line. You

1200
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:19,280
 can see on the aerial here the location of the Peterbilt plant and the site in question

1201
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:26,080
 today. The goal of developing this site in this manner is to consolidate five lots that

1202
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:33,220
 are currently being utilized for staging and storage in other locations in Denton and those

1203
01:28:33,220 --> 01:28:38,240
 are leased locations so those would be -- those leases would terminate and be allowed for

1204
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:44,240
 redevelopment or development at that point in time. And this site includes staging for

1205
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:50,680
 roughly 800 truck cabs plus a stacking facility for transport so they come off the line as

1206
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:58,000
 single cabs. They come into the secure facility where they sit until it's time for them to

1207
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:02,280
 be transported across the United States. They're stacked in twos or threes and pulled out on

1208
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:08,280
 a trailer to be distributed to their final destinations.

1209
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:11,800
 Just a couple of interesting things about this site. This site is heavily encumbered

1210
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:17,880
 with floodplain and environmentally sensitive area and is a very long, skinny site from

1211
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:24,920
 north to south. It touches 380 and Jim Crystal and there's a lot of gas well and pipeline

1212
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:30,340
 activity and easements on this site as well so it makes it a challenging site to develop.

1213
01:29:30,340 --> 01:29:36,680
 Our proposed development is low impact considering that it's in an industrial area. We have a

1214
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:42,880
 65 percent disturbance area meaning that the balance of that is outside of our development

1215
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:49,680
 impact area with only a 13 percent impervious surface over within that development impact

1216
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:55,240
 area in a 15,000 square foot building approximately. New trucks will be stored. They will not be

1217
01:29:55,240 --> 01:30:01,840
 idling or circulating except to get stacked and moved out and no manufacturing is taking

1218
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:08,540
 place on site beyond just the stacking of the trucks for transport.

1219
01:30:08,540 --> 01:30:15,320
 We have worked very hard to minimize the impact to the wetland areas that are outside of the

1220
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:21,300
 floodplain. We've identified two that we do need to have some impact to and as Christy

1221
01:30:21,300 --> 01:30:25,920
 covered entirely, we're going to relocate that closer to the creek and we worked hard

1222
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:31,460
 to identify an opening within the heavily treed floodplain to minimize any tree removal

1223
01:30:31,460 --> 01:30:35,960
 and be able to do some refined excavating to create some depressed areas to support

1224
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:43,500
 the relocation of the wetlands. We did mail a letter to everybody that was

1225
01:30:43,500 --> 01:30:50,160
 in the 500 foot boundary offering up our contact information if they had any questions and

1226
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:56,800
 I did take two phone calls inquiring about the property and our plan, one of whom was

1227
01:30:56,800 --> 01:31:02,080
 a former client to the north that was hoping that maybe it helped with some of his floodplain

1228
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:06,640
 issues. The other one didn't identify themselves but I just covered all the questions that

1229
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:11,080
 they had and we moved on and that concludes my presentation. We do have our environmental

1230
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:17,160
 consultant here if you have specific questions related to the scientific data in the report.

1231
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:18,160
 Thank you.

1232
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:24,000
 Thank you very much. Any questions? Commissioner Pruitt?

1233
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:34,480
 Thank you, Chair. Just one, I'm not a floodplain environmental expert by any means. I noticed

1234
01:31:34,480 --> 01:31:42,440
 that the relocation area appears to be within the floodway, the zone AE as marked in the

1235
01:31:42,440 --> 01:31:51,400
 backup and so was there some thought or analysis done to make sure that the new plantings or

1236
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:57,320
 the moved plantings are appropriate for an area that might get high volume of water very

1237
01:31:57,320 --> 01:31:58,320
 infrequently?

1238
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:02,000
 Yes, so if you take a look at the map that I just put back up on the screen, all of those

1239
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:07,240
 little wetland pockets, the majority of them are inside that floodplain area already because

1240
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:14,040
 there's more water available to support them. The ones that we are relocating, we've been

1241
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:18,720
 out there, we were out there last August and they looked like desert areas. We were surprised

1242
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:25,040
 that they actually regenerated the following spring. So this is actually a healthier location

1243
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:26,040
 for them.

1244
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:27,040
 Okay, thank you.

1245
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:34,400
 Thank you. I do not see any other questions. Thank you. I don't have any other cards here

1246
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:41,280
 but this is a public hearing. Is there anyone else wishing to speak on this item? Okay,

1247
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:50,880
 seeing none, I will close the public hearing and open the floor for discussion or a motion.

1248
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:51,880
 Commissioner Pruitt?

1249
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:54,600
 I'll move approval as presented.

1250
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:55,600
 Commissioner Anderson?

1251
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:56,600
 I second.

1252
01:32:56,600 --> 01:33:02,520
 Okay, we've got a first and a second for approval. Any discussion? Okay, let's vote on the board

1253
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:18,200
 please. That motion carries 6-0. That will move us to effectively our next three public

1254
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:23,560
 hearings as they are all related. So I will invite Julie Wyatt up. Julie is going to make

1255
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:33,400
 one presentation on items 5B, 5C, and 5D. And I will open the public hearing here at

1256
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:44,000
 5B, CA 23-0001. I will open the public hearing for 5C, Z 23-0006. And I will open the public

1257
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:51,960
 hearing for 5D, S 23-0003. We will have the one presentation. We will have single votes

1258
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:56,360
 on all of these items. Floor is yours, Julie. Thanks.

1259
01:33:56,360 --> 01:34:02,080
 All right. Good evening. Excuse me, Julie Wyatt, principal planner. And I am presenting

1260
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:10,080
 those three projects related to the Mayhill multifamily proposal. So just a little bit

1261
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:16,560
 about the request. It is the intent of these three items is to facilitate the development

1262
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:22,720
 of 281 multifamily dwellings on a 24-acre tract. As we mentioned before, it includes

1263
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:28,040
 the three requests, a comprehensive plan amendment to modify the future land use from business

1264
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:34,880
 center to moderate residential, a rezoning request to change that zoning from light industrial

1265
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:41,720
 to R7, and then a specific use permit for a multifamily use. As commissioner Ellis mentioned,

1266
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:46,880
 the process, we have that -- we've got the one public hearing open, and then we're going

1267
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:53,080
 to -- it would need to be voted on separately. Each item would need to be voted on separately.

1268
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:57,280
 These three requests build upon each other, so they will still need to stay in order with

1269
01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:01,440
 the comprehensive plan, rezoning, and then specific use permit.

1270
01:35:01,440 --> 01:35:06,040
 So before we get into those requests, just a little bit about the site. It's a 24-acre

1271
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:12,360
 site, as I mentioned. It has the two tracts, a 17-acre tract, which is that northern piece,

1272
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:20,440
 and it is this portion right here, and that's that entire tract, and then a 7-acre tract,

1273
01:35:20,440 --> 01:35:26,280
 which is a portion of a 14-acre tract, so it leaves that remainder 7 acres adjacent

1274
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:31,040
 to Russell Newman here. So the subject property is outlined in yellow

1275
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:37,000
 here. Mayhill is just to the side. Loop 288 is to the west. Russell Newman, which is a

1276
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:41,920
 collector, is to the south of the property, and then prominence is also a collector to

1277
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:47,640
 the north. That's more residential. As I mentioned, that 7-acre tract to the south,

1278
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:53,040
 it is fronting on Russell Newman. It is not a part of the request, and if this is approved,

1279
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:58,240
 the future land use designation and the zoning would stay in place with that LI, would be

1280
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:02,680
 and could be developed with any uses permitted in LI.

1281
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:08,400
 The surrounding development, we see lots of cases on the loop, but it is one of those

1282
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:15,960
 areas that has really turned into a commercial node for the community. We have single family

1283
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:21,960
 to the north of this site. We also have quite a few multi-family projects along Loop 288,

1284
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:27,880
 which makes sense because of all the commercial and employment uses along Loop 288, but it

1285
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:36,240
 also includes that institutional. We have a federal facility just to the west of the

1286
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:42,360
 subject property. We also have county property to the south. We have retail to the south.

1287
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:47,760
 We have service uses, also that employment and industrial along Russell Newman. That

1288
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:53,480
 is kind of an employment node. Two other things I want to, or one other thing I want to mention

1289
01:36:53,480 --> 01:36:58,480
 about this site, there are two environmentally sensitive areas on the subject property, and

1290
01:36:58,480 --> 01:37:03,120
 they kind of start in the middle of the subject site and then track to the northwest. There

1291
01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:08,800
 is a riparian buffer in a water-related habitat. Those are shown in sort of a blue and then

1292
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:14,200
 a teal on your screen. So the first item we're going to talk about

1293
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:19,440
 is the comprehensive plan amendment. The existing future land use, as I mentioned, is business

1294
01:37:19,440 --> 01:37:25,520
 owner. That is intended to allow for a variety of business and employment uses. It could

1295
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:32,320
 go all the way from corporate campus to warehouse and light industrial. So it really runs that

1296
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:40,240
 gamut intended for those employment type uses. It would include supportive commercial uses.

1297
01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:45,640
 We want to have things like retail and restaurants near where we work, but it has removed or

1298
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:52,020
 it does not include stand-alone residential uses within that future land use designation,

1299
01:37:52,020 --> 01:37:56,780
 and that's really why the applicant is here this evening for the comprehensive plan amendment,

1300
01:37:56,780 --> 01:38:02,560
 because the proposal is that stand-alone residential use. They are proposing to modify that to

1301
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:11,800
 that moderate residential, and that is shown here on this map. That applies to areas within

1302
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:16,920
 our central part of our city, as well as those transitional areas from where when you have

1303
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:21,360
 maybe single family and then you have more of commercial development, it's a good transition

1304
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:30,440
 between those two areas. It's also appropriate adjacent to key corridors, and so adjacent

1305
01:38:30,440 --> 01:38:35,760
 to places like Mayhill, and you can see we have nearby moderate density residential,

1306
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:41,000
 because that is consistent with the intent along Mayhill and then north of the subject

1307
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:47,320
 site. Typically we want to see five to 12 dwelling units per acre in moderate residential.

1308
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:52,200
 So in looking at the comprehensive plan amendment, we're looking at those overall goals of the

1309
01:38:52,200 --> 01:39:00,320
 comprehensive plan. So first, the land use. Our goal LU1 is we want to grow compactly.

1310
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:06,360
 We want to make sure that we achieve sound sustainable growth and compact development

1311
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:11,080
 patterns with balanced land use as planned in coordination with transportation and infrastructure

1312
01:39:11,080 --> 01:39:15,280
 systems. So essentially we want to see development where we have that infrastructure. We want

1313
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:20,920
 to make sure that we take advantage of those areas where we already have that infrastructure

1314
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:26,600
 investment. And this request would provide a basis for a zoning decision that would be

1315
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:32,480
 consistent toward the trend of commercial and high density residential uses. So if this

1316
01:39:32,480 --> 01:39:38,880
 were approved, it would facilitate a rezoning to a residential type use to take advantage

1317
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:46,200
 of those adjacent roadway improvements. Future land use map, as I mentioned on the previous

1318
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:51,560
 slide, the proposed amendment would just be a logical extension of that existing moderate

1319
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:56,200
 residential future land use designation just to the west of the property, also to the north

1320
01:39:56,200 --> 01:40:01,200
 of the property. The community vision statement, strength of the economy, that request would

1321
01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:06,980
 support housing for workers near an employment center. Off of Russell Newman, we have quite

1322
01:40:06,980 --> 01:40:14,440
 a few businesses and so it could potentially provide housing for those employees. Sound

1323
01:40:14,440 --> 01:40:22,320
 growth, as part of our sound growth, we want to make sure our form and function are appropriate.

1324
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:25,840
 And so we also have aesthetic goals, not only land use goals within the city, but we also

1325
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:33,120
 have aesthetic goals. And this comprehensive plan amendment would limit the industrial

1326
01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:38,360
 uses, kind of pull back some of the industrial uses there on Mayhill. So it would allow us

1327
01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:42,920
 to meet more of our aesthetic goals, making sure that our minimum design standards within

1328
01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:48,800
 the debt and development code could be achieved. Also could potentially reduce truck traffic

1329
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:54,680
 on Mayhill Road. And then our housing goals, we talk over and over again about how our

1330
01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:58,080
 need for housing within our community, our community is growing and we want to make sure

1331
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:04,880
 we have diverse housing choices in a variety of areas. And so this would just serve that.

1332
01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:09,640
 So as part of the criteria for approval for a comprehensive plan amendment, I won't go

1333
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:13,840
 over all of them, but there are a few I want to touch on. One is to talk about changes

1334
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:18,760
 and trends after the adoption of the comprehensive plan. So I know we adopted a new or an update

1335
01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:25,460
 to our comprehensive plan last year. So I wanted to look at those trends to see kind

1336
01:41:25,460 --> 01:41:32,240
 of what's changed. And to do that, I looked way back. I started with our 1999 plan and

1337
01:41:32,240 --> 01:41:38,000
 we looked to see, you know, how did this area get this future land use designation here.

1338
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:43,520
 So in the '99 plan, it talked about industrial development was an emerging economic driver

1339
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:50,880
 within the city that the city had typically relied on government and educational sectors

1340
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:55,880
 in order for economic development, but industrial was coming in. And so they were looking for

1341
01:41:55,880 --> 01:42:00,280
 places to put industrial. And one of those was over by the airport. And then another

1342
01:42:00,280 --> 01:42:05,840
 was along loop 288. So you can see on the map here, we had quite a bit, this pink area,

1343
01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:10,000
 that was intended for that industrial type development as well as the orange area. So

1344
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:14,120
 they really kind of anticipated there would be a lot of industrial developed along loop

1345
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:18,600
 288. The subject property is in that. I've kind of got that in-set map here. You could

1346
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:25,480
 see it here. But that's kind of changed. So with the 2030 plan and then with our most

1347
01:42:25,480 --> 01:42:30,800
 recent update, we kind of looked at this area and realized this industrial is not going

1348
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:35,960
 in this area. When we see our industrial development, it really is going to the northwest side of

1349
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:43,800
 town, the part of town that we have. We have I-35. We also have rail and we have our airport.

1350
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:49,200
 So most of our industrial development is seeking to go in that location. And the loop really

1351
01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:56,360
 has changed its character. It hasn't become that industrial hub. It's become a shopping

1352
01:42:56,360 --> 01:43:04,760
 and restaurant and living places hub. So it really has that trend started with our 2030

1353
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:10,840
 plan. It really has continued on. So we may change to that future land use with our update,

1354
01:43:10,840 --> 01:43:15,960
 with our dent in 2040 comprehensive plan. And this proposal really is just an extension

1355
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:22,960
 of that. It really is continuing that trend moving forward. And we do anticipate we're

1356
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:27,200
 going to see more industrial development there to our northwest side of town where it's got

1357
01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:33,520
 that more clear and direct access to I-35, to rail, to air, that sort of, those sorts

1358
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:39,640
 of facilities and assets. Also looked at the site conditions that would make development

1359
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:45,000
 out of the current plan inappropriate. As I mentioned, access, you know, the northwest

1360
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:49,440
 side of town, it's got a lot of direct access to I-35. This area is a little different.

1361
01:43:49,440 --> 01:43:55,180
 It doesn't have that direct access. To access I-35, one would have to drive Mayhill or maybe

1362
01:43:55,180 --> 01:44:01,900
 go up to university. So there's a few steps between this site and I-35. So it really could

1363
01:44:01,900 --> 01:44:08,280
 limit that potential for warehousing or logistic type uses. Additionally, large truck traffic

1364
01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:13,000
 could negatively impact that surrounding. We have a lot of residential and sometimes

1365
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:19,640
 those big trucks and residential don't always mix. So reducing that large truck traffic

1366
01:44:19,640 --> 01:44:28,140
 could benefit the area as a whole. Property size, you see plats a lot for industrial development

1367
01:44:28,140 --> 01:44:32,880
 and typically those industrial sites are 30 acres or more. They're very large. They want

1368
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:37,680
 buildings with very large footprints and a lot of vehicular maneuvering area. The subject

1369
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:47,300
 property is 24 acres and so we don't anticipate that there would be a lot of explosion in

1370
01:44:47,300 --> 01:44:55,840
 industrial development in this area. This site could potentially allow for some small

1371
01:44:55,840 --> 01:45:00,800
 scale industrial development or maybe some intense commercial like automotive repair

1372
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:06,840
 uses. But those could create greater impacts for those adjacent residential. So we tried

1373
01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:12,120
 to look at it from that perspective. And then environmental. We saw that there was that

1374
01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:17,880
 ESA running through the property. Industrial developments, like I said, require really

1375
01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:22,520
 large buildings and really large pavement footprints which could impact that ESA, could

1376
01:45:22,520 --> 01:45:28,120
 also make it difficult to develop that site because they just don't have the space. That

1377
01:45:28,120 --> 01:45:33,320
 northern tract is really kind of cut in half. And so we anticipate that just industrial

1378
01:45:33,320 --> 01:45:37,640
 development is going to be challenging. Residential uses like the ones that are being proposed

1379
01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:43,800
 tonight have a smaller footprint, have less parking and vehicular maneuvering needs, probably

1380
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:49,800
 makes more sense on this property. Therefore, given all of these considerations, staff recommends

1381
01:45:49,800 --> 01:45:54,840
 approval of the comprehensive plan amendment as it does comply with the criteria for approval.

1382
01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:59,080
 I will stop here for any questions regarding the comprehensive plan. If you don't have

1383
01:45:59,080 --> 01:46:07,320
 any, we'll keep going. >> Okay. Any questions? Okay. We'll let you

1384
01:46:07,320 --> 01:46:09,680
 keep going, Julie. >> Okay. So now we're going to talk about

1385
01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:13,240
 rezoning. I promised that was the meat of the presentation. It's going to get a lot

1386
01:46:13,240 --> 01:46:18,540
 lighter here because I'm not going to say the same thing over and over again. So the

1387
01:46:18,540 --> 01:46:23,960
 map here on the left side of the screen, that is the existing zoning. And as you can see,

1388
01:46:23,960 --> 01:46:28,920
 the subject property outlined in black has that LI zoning. I put this little line here.

1389
01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:36,480
 It is a dash line because that shows the adjacency to potential future residential development.

1390
01:46:36,480 --> 01:46:41,280
 That existing LI would allow for a variety of commercial, maybe heavier commercial uses

1391
01:46:41,280 --> 01:46:46,520
 as well as some of the lighter industrial uses like warehousing or light manufacturing.

1392
01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:54,040
 It is consistent with the existing future land use map. And it is consistent with the

1393
01:46:54,040 --> 01:46:59,320
 LI zoning to the south. But it could create incompatibilities with the residential to

1394
01:46:59,320 --> 01:47:06,520
 the north because it is abutting what at some point will likely become a single family neighborhood

1395
01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:11,520
 or in the instance of the property adjacent to Mayhill, a town home neighborhood. So there

1396
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:16,600
 could create incompatibilities there in terms of truck traffic, access, lighting, that sort

1397
01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:26,280
 of thing. The proposed R7 would sort of move that line to center the LI on Russell Newman,

1398
01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:32,440
 so still allowing those more employment uses to continue along Russell Newman. That's kind

1399
01:47:32,440 --> 01:47:38,760
 of the way that street is developed. It makes sense. But that R7 would allow a transitional

1400
01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:45,360
 type use. R7 allows a variety of residential uses, single family duplexes, triplexes, fourplexes,

1401
01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:53,000
 also multi-family with that SUP, some limited commercial. It is consistent with their proposed

1402
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:58,240
 comprehensive plan amendment. But it does just create that transition between the neighborhoods

1403
01:47:58,240 --> 01:48:03,000
 to the north and then that development along Russell Newman.

1404
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:08,280
 We looked at the impacts to the surrounding property owners. R7, if this rezoning were

1405
01:48:08,280 --> 01:48:14,320
 approved, would allow residential uses adjacent to another residentially zoned property. We

1406
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:21,400
 don't anticipate any incompatibilities there. And any development would be consistent with

1407
01:48:21,400 --> 01:48:27,760
 that scale with the R4 to the north. But once again, provide that transition to the property

1408
01:48:27,760 --> 01:48:31,960
 to the south, because as I mentioned, that property to the south, if this is approved,

1409
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:37,560
 would still remain LI. So we did want to kind of look at, well, how does that edge meet?

1410
01:48:37,560 --> 01:48:43,240
 What happens there? We looked at the building height. LI does allow 75 foot tall buildings.

1411
01:48:43,240 --> 01:48:48,040
 But we have that provision in the code that nothing within 50 feet of the residentially

1412
01:48:48,040 --> 01:48:54,200
 zoned property could be taller than 40 feet. So it gives that buffer in terms of visual

1413
01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:58,820
 impacts related to height. Also, landscape buffers would be required. And then if this

1414
01:48:58,820 --> 01:49:05,520
 rezoning would be approved, given the limited frontage on May Hill for that LI, access would

1415
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:10,580
 have to come from the south. So it would just kind of separate that truck traffic from the

1416
01:49:10,580 --> 01:49:17,840
 residential a little more. So based upon those considerations, staff recommends approval

1417
01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:22,640
 of the rezoning. And I'll be happy to answer any questions regarding the rezoning.

1418
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:28,160
 >> Thank you, Julie. Questions for Julie on this part? No? Okay.

1419
01:49:28,160 --> 01:49:35,580
 >> All right. Okay. >> Carry on to the next. >> Okay. So they are also requesting a specific

1420
01:49:35,580 --> 01:49:43,360
 use permit. So if the comp plan is recommended for approval, and then the rezoning is recommended

1421
01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:50,320
 for approval, then the SUP is next. As I mentioned, they're proposing 281, 1, 2, and 3 bedroom

1422
01:49:50,320 --> 01:49:54,840
 units. This project is a little different than what we've seen. They're proposing a

1423
01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:59,740
 mix of cottages, so that horizontal multifamily, that product that we've seen a lot, as well

1424
01:49:59,740 --> 01:50:07,280
 as two garden-style buildings. So it creates that dynamic mix between those two product

1425
01:50:07,280 --> 01:50:16,660
 types. They are proposing parking on the property, both in surface parking as well as garage,

1426
01:50:16,660 --> 01:50:22,240
 some tuck under garages on the larger buildings as well as standalone garages, and then bicycle

1427
01:50:22,240 --> 01:50:27,440
 parking. They are proposing two access points. There's an access point to the north, and

1428
01:50:27,440 --> 01:50:31,840
 sorry, this is a little bit messy, but that's intended to denote that that's full access.

1429
01:50:31,840 --> 01:50:36,920
 So there's a median opening there, so one can turn left into or right into and then

1430
01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:44,680
 left or right out. And then just a right in, right out to the south. There was, because

1431
01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:52,720
 we know that there is a townhome development intended for north of here. There is a potential

1432
01:50:52,720 --> 01:50:57,960
 future gated access in this location. We had a lot of conversations with the applicant

1433
01:50:57,960 --> 01:51:01,840
 about this. We were really wanting to get that connection there. We feel like it would

1434
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:10,480
 really help the, just the flow of the disbursement of traffic throughout the area. That property,

1435
01:51:10,480 --> 01:51:15,240
 and it was, when the SUP was approved and platting went forward, the adjacent property

1436
01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:21,040
 was zoned LI. Well, we don't require cross access between LIs, so that property is sort

1437
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:27,000
 of hardened right now. They have a preliminary plat in, I believe it came before you in July,

1438
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:31,120
 and so right now there is not that access, but we wanted to make sure that it was set

1439
01:51:31,120 --> 01:51:36,240
 up that if that adjacent property owner ever did want to allow access or that connection

1440
01:51:36,240 --> 01:51:41,440
 there, that they could go ahead and do that. So that's why that's there.

1441
01:51:41,440 --> 01:51:47,760
 The design, we wanted to make sure we looked at the design of the site. Those buildings

1442
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:52,760
 are organized in a compact grid, intended to kind of create neighborhood connections

1443
01:51:52,760 --> 01:52:01,800
 to allow residents to access the amenities on site through pedestrian connections. Parking

1444
01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:06,080
 is dispersed throughout the drive aisle, so there's no large parking lots. It's kind

1445
01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:11,560
 of created in almost a street pattern. That scale of development ensures that residents

1446
01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:17,120
 can walk along an accessible pathway to that on-site trail that is proposed for the west

1447
01:52:17,120 --> 01:52:23,120
 side of the property in less than 10 minutes. And as I mentioned, there's that variety of

1448
01:52:23,120 --> 01:52:28,840
 building type, sizes, and heights just creates that visual interest.

1449
01:52:28,840 --> 01:52:33,200
 They do have a couple of common areas. There is an open, there are open space amenities

1450
01:52:33,200 --> 01:52:38,120
 that include a clubhouse, community pool, and naturalized areas. They did design the

1451
01:52:38,120 --> 01:52:44,960
 site to preserve a large tree stand on the west side of the property. We did work with

1452
01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:49,880
 them about getting a trail in there just to provide recreation for residents and just

1453
01:52:49,880 --> 01:52:55,840
 provide that outdoor open space. So they're showing a trail in that, in that location.

1454
01:52:55,840 --> 01:53:02,800
 There's also an ESA on the subject property. They are currently, their plans show no impacts

1455
01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:07,800
 to that ESA. In your backup, it does have a little discussion about this. I just want

1456
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:13,000
 to point out as the project goes forward with design, if ever they said, "Oh, we're going

1457
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:17,960
 to need to impact that ESA," they would still have to come back for an alternative ESA.

1458
01:53:17,960 --> 01:53:23,920
 So any approval of this SUP would not, would not approve an alternative ESA. They would

1459
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:28,320
 have to come through that process like Christy did tonight, and we are recommending that

1460
01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:35,280
 as a condition. They're also proposing a dog park, and then, and then a clubhouse with

1461
01:53:35,280 --> 01:53:39,880
 a community pool. There's private outdoor space in the cottages. So we've got, they've

1462
01:53:39,880 --> 01:53:44,720
 got that public and then the private outdoor space, and then that landscaping on, on those

1463
01:53:44,720 --> 01:53:50,400
 cottage buildings at the, at the front door, just to create a front door for those sites.

1464
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:57,480
 Oh, sorry. Okay, so we have proposed conditions with our SUP. A lot of these are our typical

1465
01:53:57,480 --> 01:54:02,800
 conditions, so I won't read this whole slide to you. But the intent is to comply with the

1466
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:09,360
 2019 Debt and Development Code. We have added as conditions the number of units they're

1467
01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:15,240
 proposing in the parking spaces. We did, we are proposing that 5 percent allowance that

1468
01:54:15,240 --> 01:54:21,480
 we typically have on our SUPs just, just to allow them to increase those number of units

1469
01:54:21,480 --> 01:54:28,880
 by 5 percent or reduce them. And then, and then the accompanying parking. We, we have

1470
01:54:28,880 --> 01:54:33,720
 a proposed condition that any minor alterations to any of those buildings or maybe some plant

1471
01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:40,520
 selections or maybe some sidewalks could be staff level approved. Building architecture

1472
01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:47,120
 should remain consistent with what they're proposed. We are proposing to, or proposing

1473
01:54:47,120 --> 01:54:51,600
 that they provide two pedestrian gates along Mayhill. We want to make sure there is a sidewalk

1474
01:54:51,600 --> 01:54:58,320
 along Mayhill. We want to make sure that that residents can, can access it. We also, right

1475
01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:04,580
 now they have done that preliminary tree preservation assessment. Our landscape planner has looked

1476
01:55:04,580 --> 01:55:10,160
 at it. It is not a fully approved tree preservation plan because those are often iterative type

1477
01:55:10,160 --> 01:55:16,240
 of projects. But we, right now they are meeting the minimum standards. We wanted to give a

1478
01:55:16,240 --> 01:55:19,800
 threshold in there. They've got a really nice tree stand on that west side. We want to make

1479
01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:26,560
 sure as much of that is preserved. So we are, typically a developer could reduce the tree

1480
01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:33,360
 preservation to 20 percent. We, we are proposing a 25 percent that give a little bit more so

1481
01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:40,400
 that they have a little bit extra tree coverage. And then condition nine is related to that

1482
01:55:40,400 --> 01:55:46,440
 ESA that this doesn't imply any approvals for any alternative ESAs. And, and so based

1483
01:55:46,440 --> 01:55:52,040
 upon these conditions staff recommends approval of the, of the SUP as we don't anticipate

1484
01:55:52,040 --> 01:55:57,920
 any negative impacts related to that SUP to the adjacent properties. Public outreach was

1485
01:55:57,920 --> 01:56:05,280
 sent out. You received some letters from me today regarding being in favor of the project

1486
01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:12,080
 that is related to the properties that, that half left of the 14. So it's related to that

1487
01:56:12,080 --> 01:56:20,840
 seven acre tract adjacent to the subject property. So based upon our analysis staff recommends

1488
01:56:20,840 --> 01:56:26,180
 approval of all three requests and I will be happy to answer any questions. If, if this

1489
01:56:26,180 --> 01:56:31,560
 moves forward tonight is anticipated to go to the city council meeting next Tuesday.

1490
01:56:31,560 --> 01:56:41,720
 Okay. Great job Julie. Thank you. Any questions at this time for Julie? Thank you. I thank

1491
01:56:41,720 --> 01:56:46,560
 you. We'll call you back up if something arises. Um, I do have one card wishing to speak and

1492
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:53,620
 that is Mr. Fletcher who's making his way up right now. Good evening. Good evening chair

1493
01:56:53,620 --> 01:57:00,760
 and commissioners. Appreciate the opportunity to be with you tonight. I've got a quick presentation.

1494
01:57:00,760 --> 01:57:04,920
 We've been working with staff on this now for close to a year and we appreciate all

1495
01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:12,140
 the hard work. And I know when we come before you with a project of this type where a lot

1496
01:57:12,140 --> 01:57:17,040
 of work is required because of the comprehensive plan amendment request, the zoning request

1497
01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:21,880
 and the SUP, there is a lot of work that goes into all of that. We appreciate all the staff's

1498
01:57:21,880 --> 01:57:30,520
 assistance through the process. And I am not sure, is it this one here? Nope. That's you.

1499
01:57:30,520 --> 01:57:39,680
 Awesome. Thank you. But really what I want to do since Julie's kind of gone over all

1500
01:57:39,680 --> 01:57:45,200
 the various items as it relates to the comprehensive plan amendment, the zoning and the site, I

1501
01:57:45,200 --> 01:57:48,960
 really want to focus more on the site and just kind of talk about the site plan and

1502
01:57:48,960 --> 01:57:54,720
 some of the different items that we worked through when we were developing the site plan

1503
01:57:54,720 --> 01:58:00,520
 and coming before you to get to this point. One of the first things we did because there

1504
01:58:00,520 --> 01:58:05,640
 are a lot of trees located on the site, we did go out and do a tree survey so that we

1505
01:58:05,640 --> 01:58:09,920
 could do an assessment of the trees, the number of trees, the quality of trees, the type of

1506
01:58:09,920 --> 01:58:15,980
 trees. So we did, we completed that back in November of last year. After that we also

1507
01:58:15,980 --> 01:58:21,400
 or at that same time we did an ESA assessment. So we went out there, we looked at the ESA,

1508
01:58:21,400 --> 01:58:27,960
 we determined its limits. We did the submittal to the city for the ESA assessment that went

1509
01:58:27,960 --> 01:58:33,520
 through the city's process and that was approved by the city back in January of this year.

1510
01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:39,600
 And it did include riparian buffer and water related habitat, as Julie mentioned. And as

1511
01:58:39,600 --> 01:58:43,320
 we laid out the site plan, one of the things that we wanted to do is make sure that we

1512
01:58:43,320 --> 01:58:49,060
 preserve that. As Julie mentioned in an industrial development, sometimes it can be a challenge

1513
01:58:49,060 --> 01:58:56,360
 to design around ESA. But within a residential type development, you can really make that

1514
01:58:56,360 --> 01:59:01,620
 a focus and kind of make that a benefit to the property itself. So that's what we tried

1515
01:59:01,620 --> 01:59:08,040
 to do when we went through and did our site planning exercise and what's before you.

1516
01:59:08,040 --> 01:59:12,480
 We also, because these developments have an impact on the surrounding streets and networks,

1517
01:59:12,480 --> 01:59:17,280
 we went through and we did our traffic impact analysis. We studied eight different intersections

1518
01:59:17,280 --> 01:59:24,120
 as part of this study. And we looked at the impacts and as Julie mentioned, we have the

1519
01:59:24,120 --> 01:59:29,640
 one full access intersection, the north drive that does have the right turn lane, the left

1520
01:59:29,640 --> 01:59:33,320
 turn lane and the median opening. And then we have the right in, right out. And then

1521
01:59:33,320 --> 01:59:38,280
 she also mentioned about the future connection to the north with that townhome development

1522
01:59:38,280 --> 01:59:42,920
 that was previously approved, but I think at this time has not moved forward with construction

1523
01:59:42,920 --> 01:59:48,960
 plans. We did hold a neighborhood meeting. We had a few residents turn out for that.

1524
01:59:48,960 --> 01:59:54,480
 It was all positive. That was held on June 19th. And then we also held a meeting this

1525
01:59:54,480 --> 02:00:01,800
 past week with FEMA to get their input as well. And then we're also working on the downstream

1526
02:00:01,800 --> 02:00:07,320
 assessment detention study that's in progress as well. So we had done some preliminary analysis

1527
02:00:07,320 --> 02:00:13,440
 as part of this, you know, the process in order to establish the site plan. Because

1528
02:00:13,440 --> 02:00:18,240
 really when we're going through the process and we're asking for the approval of an SUP,

1529
02:00:18,240 --> 02:00:21,760
 we want to make sure that what we're proposing is constructible. We don't want to get into

1530
02:00:21,760 --> 02:00:27,640
 the design process and then realize we're not able to preserve the trees that we showed

1531
02:00:27,640 --> 02:00:32,680
 that we are. So we have done significant amount of work looking at the grading of the site,

1532
02:00:32,680 --> 02:00:37,520
 looking at the drainage and doing preliminary analysis. And now we're in the process of

1533
02:00:37,520 --> 02:00:43,640
 preparing those studies. So I did want to share that with you. Again, the concept plan,

1534
02:00:43,640 --> 02:00:50,560
 it has two more traditional multifamily buildings and then it has 129 cottage units. The two

1535
02:00:50,560 --> 02:00:55,800
 traditional multifamily units are really placed to where they create that transition or that

1536
02:00:55,800 --> 02:01:05,200
 buffer between the existing LI and then also the federal facility that's to the west. There

1537
02:01:05,200 --> 02:01:09,800
 is a lot of topography on the site as well. So when you're looking at the site and how

1538
02:01:09,800 --> 02:01:15,240
 you're going to lay it out, you want to kind of look at how that makes sense for the topography.

1539
02:01:15,240 --> 02:01:20,680
 The multifamily building that's to the west, the northwest, that's actually going to be

1540
02:01:20,680 --> 02:01:25,840
 a two, three split. So on the uphill side, you'll have two floors and then on the downhill

1541
02:01:25,840 --> 02:01:31,640
 side, you'll have three. So the building itself is utilized to transition that grade. The

1542
02:01:31,640 --> 02:01:36,120
 other multifamily building on the south is a three story building and then the cottages

1543
02:01:36,120 --> 02:01:42,800
 are dispersed throughout. We did provide buffers for landscaping and tree preservation. We

1544
02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:48,480
 are showing preservation of the ESA. We also are showing a retention pond for detention

1545
02:01:48,480 --> 02:01:55,880
 and water quality purposes prior to discharging into the downstream receiving body. There's

1546
02:01:55,880 --> 02:02:02,040
 a significant series of trails within the proposed development, interconnects all the

1547
02:02:02,040 --> 02:02:06,840
 multifamily units, all the cottage units, and it also has connectivity to Mayhill, which

1548
02:02:06,840 --> 02:02:14,240
 is important for pedestrian circulation and connectivity. It will be a gated community.

1549
02:02:14,240 --> 02:02:19,400
 It's going to have a 6,000 square foot clubhouse, a pool, and other amenities. There's bike

1550
02:02:19,400 --> 02:02:26,440
 racks. So it is going to be a well appointed development. That's just a close up of the

1551
02:02:26,440 --> 02:02:33,720
 overall development. These are some graphics of the elevations of the units themselves.

1552
02:02:33,720 --> 02:02:40,280
 So there are, we are utilizing a palette, a mixed palette of materials and colors, accent

1553
02:02:40,280 --> 02:02:46,640
 colors. Just gives you some additional. You can see the tuck under garages on the north.

1554
02:02:46,640 --> 02:02:51,240
 That's part of the 2-3 split. So that's the high side with the tuck under garages and

1555
02:02:51,240 --> 02:03:02,600
 then the low side. Here are some renderings of the cottages. And then it is going to have

1556
02:03:02,600 --> 02:03:07,880
 a, what I would call kind of a resort style amenity pool. So you can see the tanning ledge

1557
02:03:07,880 --> 02:03:14,600
 within the pool. It's got a fire pit, lots of seating areas, lots of areas for the residents

1558
02:03:14,600 --> 02:03:21,720
 to congregate and enjoy. So that's all I had. I kind of just wanted to go through the overall

1559
02:03:21,720 --> 02:03:28,200
 site plan and just kind of how we looked at the site as we were laying it out, developing

1560
02:03:28,200 --> 02:03:34,520
 it, trying to incorporate the natural features into the site, how to provide transition to

1561
02:03:34,520 --> 02:03:41,040
 the surrounding uses and also the residential uses to the north. But with that, I'll be

1562
02:03:41,040 --> 02:03:43,080
 happy to answer any questions.

1563
02:03:43,080 --> 02:03:50,400
 Thank you, Mr. Pletcher. Any questions from the commission? Commissioner Pruitt, are you

1564
02:03:50,400 --> 02:03:51,400
 waiting for your screen?

1565
02:03:51,400 --> 02:03:55,400
 Yes, thank you.

1566
02:03:55,400 --> 02:04:02,480
 You mentioned that it would be a gated community and there's a riparian area that is treed

1567
02:04:02,480 --> 02:04:09,240
 sort of on the northeast of the site. I'm just wondering, as you worked through that

1568
02:04:09,240 --> 02:04:18,480
 with staff, was there any concern from a drainage of stuff through the fence? What's the plan

1569
02:04:18,480 --> 02:04:19,480
 there?

1570
02:04:19,480 --> 02:04:23,480
 Well, we haven't looked at that completely. So one of the things that we may look at as

1571
02:04:23,480 --> 02:04:29,520
 far as the fencing goes is if we cross that riparian area, that would require an alternate

1572
02:04:29,520 --> 02:04:36,600
 ESA plan. So because that is a natural buffer, we would either look at gating around that

1573
02:04:36,600 --> 02:04:44,440
 or just gating and kind of trying to terminate at that natural elevation change where you

1574
02:04:44,440 --> 02:04:50,360
 have the natural drainage way that goes through that area. So there may be areas right across

1575
02:04:50,360 --> 02:04:55,820
 that riparian that do not include fencing because that is a concern. One, protection

1576
02:04:55,820 --> 02:05:03,480
 of the riparian area, the allowance for animals and anything utilizing that natural habitat

1577
02:05:03,480 --> 02:05:10,400
 to be able to continue to utilize that. And then also, we don't want to do anything that

1578
02:05:10,400 --> 02:05:12,680
 would impede the drainage way.

1579
02:05:12,680 --> 02:05:16,680
 Okay, thank you.

1580
02:05:16,680 --> 02:05:21,840
 Any other questions for the applicant? I'm curious to know how your FEMA meeting went.

1581
02:05:21,840 --> 02:05:26,920
 The FEMA meeting went well. They had a lot of good suggestions. They wanted to make sure

1582
02:05:26,920 --> 02:05:32,720
 that the trail that was through the trees had lighting. They even suggested making sure

1583
02:05:32,720 --> 02:05:38,160
 that your -- I think one of their concerns might have been people that aren't supposed

1584
02:05:38,160 --> 02:05:45,080
 to be in that area kind of congregating and lingering. So they even suggested making sure

1585
02:05:45,080 --> 02:05:51,240
 those water sprinklers run on a regular basis. But the meeting went well. We talked about

1586
02:05:51,240 --> 02:05:56,720
 the proposed development, the buffering that we're providing. We let them know that if

1587
02:05:56,720 --> 02:06:01,400
 there's any need for them to provide any type of additional security cameras or anything

1588
02:06:01,400 --> 02:06:07,000
 like that at the back of the property, then we're certainly open to that. So the meeting

1589
02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:08,000
 went well.

1590
02:06:08,000 --> 02:06:11,740
 Excellent. Good. Thanks for sharing that. Appreciate it.

1591
02:06:11,740 --> 02:06:16,280
 I don't see any other questions at this time. Thank you very much for the presentation.

1592
02:06:16,280 --> 02:06:20,320
 I don't have any other cards in front of me, but this is a public hearing. Is there anyone

1593
02:06:20,320 --> 02:06:31,160
 wishing to speak on items 3, B, C, or D? Okay. Seeing none, I'm going to close the public

1594
02:06:31,160 --> 02:06:45,120
 hearing on item 5B. And I will open the floor for discussion or a motion. Do I need to close

1595
02:06:45,120 --> 02:06:47,120
 them all?

1596
02:06:47,120 --> 02:06:55,080
 Okay. Per legal. I will go ahead then. Let me stop that for a moment. Go ahead and close

1597
02:06:55,080 --> 02:07:07,880
 the public hearing on item 5C. And close the public hearing on item 5D. Now we will back

1598
02:07:07,880 --> 02:07:21,080
 up and consider 5B. So the floor is open to discussion or a motion. And 5B, that is the

1599
02:07:21,080 --> 02:07:24,720
 Comprehensive Plan Amendment. Commissioner McDade?

1600
02:07:24,720 --> 02:07:27,040
 I recommend approval.

1601
02:07:27,040 --> 02:07:28,040
 Commissioner Cole?

1602
02:07:28,040 --> 02:07:29,040
 Second.

1603
02:07:29,040 --> 02:07:35,200
 Okay. We've got a first and a second for approval of the Comprehensive Plan Amendment as presented.

1604
02:07:35,200 --> 02:07:42,480
 Is there any discussion? Okay. I think with regard to this, I will just say to Tina and

1605
02:07:42,480 --> 02:07:48,440
 to City Council listening, when they consider this is what I brought up in work session,

1606
02:07:48,440 --> 02:07:55,960
 if maybe we want to clean up the rest of that and at least look at that and see how we can

1607
02:07:55,960 --> 02:08:01,000
 maybe just flush that out a little bit better than it's going to look at if this gets approved.

1608
02:08:01,000 --> 02:08:12,580
 So with that, let's go ahead and vote on the board, please.

1609
02:08:12,580 --> 02:08:20,080
 That motion carries 6-0. That will move us then to consider the vote on 5C. And this

1610
02:08:20,080 --> 02:08:23,920
 is the rezoning to R7. Commissioner Anderson?

1611
02:08:23,920 --> 02:08:26,520
 I motion to approve.

1612
02:08:26,520 --> 02:08:27,520
 Commissioner Villarreal?

1613
02:08:27,520 --> 02:08:28,520
 Second.

1614
02:08:28,520 --> 02:08:35,680
 Okay. We've got a first and a second for approval. Is there any discussion here? Commissioner

1615
02:08:35,680 --> 02:08:36,680
 Pruitt?

1616
02:08:36,680 --> 02:08:46,640
 Thank you, Chair. Yeah, just a couple thoughts that I support this, but that the specific

1617
02:08:46,640 --> 02:08:54,760
 application brings forward to me. The R7 makes sense. That's fine. It also just so happens

1618
02:08:54,760 --> 02:08:59,120
 that they actually couldn't build this three-story building in an MN zoning because we currently

1619
02:08:59,120 --> 02:09:05,680
 require 12-foot first floors, which basically means that you can build a three-story home

1620
02:09:05,680 --> 02:09:12,200
 in R7. You can build a three-story apartment complex, but then next door, if you had an

1621
02:09:12,200 --> 02:09:16,720
 MN zoning, you can only build two stories. So that's a concern of mine over the long

1622
02:09:16,720 --> 02:09:25,480
 term. And then I think, you know, I appreciate the challenges of two applications that were

1623
02:09:25,480 --> 02:09:32,520
 coming in at different speeds and that sort of thing with the access to the north. And

1624
02:09:32,520 --> 02:09:37,840
 I understand how, you know, there's a two-foot strip of an HOA lot that prevents us from

1625
02:09:37,840 --> 02:09:50,340
 punching that through as the city's desire. We just need to keep appraised of those things

1626
02:09:50,340 --> 02:09:57,800
 that we're doing to ourselves, I would say. So thank you.

1627
02:09:57,800 --> 02:10:04,800
 Anyone else? Okay. The motion on the floor is to approve the rezoning. Seeing no further

1628
02:10:04,800 --> 02:10:18,760
 speakers, I will go ahead and ask for a vote, please. That motion carries 6-0. That will

1629
02:10:18,760 --> 02:10:26,800
 take us then to consider 5-D, which is the specific use permit. Commissioner Cole?

1630
02:10:26,800 --> 02:10:32,680
 I make the motion to approve with conditions, staff's conditions.

1631
02:10:32,680 --> 02:10:33,680
 Commissioner Anderson?

1632
02:10:33,680 --> 02:10:34,680
 I second.

1633
02:10:34,680 --> 02:10:41,120
 Thank you. We've got a first and a second for approval of the SUP as presented by staff.

1634
02:10:41,120 --> 02:10:48,360
 Any discussion? Okay. I think before we vote, I'll just say that phenomenal job on what

1635
02:10:48,360 --> 02:10:53,840
 could have been very confusing, but your presentation was fantastic. Mr. Fletcher, I appreciate

1636
02:10:53,840 --> 02:11:01,100
 you too. That absolutely, yeah, tied a lot together. Yeah, so appreciate the way all

1637
02:11:01,100 --> 02:11:08,040
 of this was put in front of us. Thank you. Seeing no further speakers, let's go ahead

1638
02:11:08,040 --> 02:11:25,640
 and vote, please. That motion carries 6-0. Thank you. And that will move us to our planning

1639
02:11:25,640 --> 02:11:31,480
 and zoning commission matrix. I will go ahead and turn the floor over to Tina.

1640
02:11:31,480 --> 02:11:37,240
 Thank you, Chair Ellis. So just a couple of quick updates regarding changes we made to

1641
02:11:37,240 --> 02:11:43,360
 the matrix in case you didn't pick up on this. So regarding legislative update on planning

1642
02:11:43,360 --> 02:11:48,000
 related filed bills. So we actually have that tentatively scheduled for your next planning

1643
02:11:48,000 --> 02:11:55,080
 and zoning commission meeting. And I anticipate it to be a joint presentation also with Ron

1644
02:11:55,080 --> 02:12:00,280
 leading that effort. So it will in all likelihood potentially be Ron's last meeting. So think

1645
02:12:00,280 --> 02:12:07,700
 of your tough questions for between now and then. So he and his wife are pursuing some

1646
02:12:07,700 --> 02:12:13,080
 other opportunities based upon their life plan. So it gives you a couple of weeks to

1647
02:12:13,080 --> 02:12:17,560
 think about what kind of questions you might want to ask Ron when he makes that presentation.

1648
02:12:17,560 --> 02:12:21,200
 But nonetheless, back to more legislative means, I know this is something that you all

1649
02:12:21,200 --> 02:12:25,920
 have been waiting for. And so we're going to provide you with that update. I think our

1650
02:12:25,920 --> 02:12:29,920
 plan is to provide a little bit of an overview on this past legislative session, but then

1651
02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:35,720
 also focus in on the bills that we're working through because it will result in some changes

1652
02:12:35,720 --> 02:12:43,440
 that we're having to make to our processes and in our debt and development code. So we'll

1653
02:12:43,440 --> 02:12:50,600
 cover some of that as well. Another item to make note of actually the discussion

1654
02:12:50,600 --> 02:12:54,680
 regarding removing minimum parking requirements. So I know some of you serve on DCRC and have

1655
02:12:54,680 --> 02:13:00,280
 been waiting for this topic. So we will be initiating that on Monday, August 14th. So

1656
02:13:00,280 --> 02:13:08,480
 we are starting that work. So wanted to make note of that. Also, I know Commissioner Smith

1657
02:13:08,480 --> 02:13:12,200
 had asked about receiving updating related to changes to the city's ethics ordinance

1658
02:13:12,200 --> 02:13:16,860
 that might affect the planning and zoning commission. So our city auditor will be coming

1659
02:13:16,860 --> 02:13:21,680
 in October to make those presentations. So we purposely delayed that till October in

1660
02:13:21,680 --> 02:13:25,540
 case there are any appointment changes to the planning and zoning commission. I'm not

1661
02:13:25,540 --> 02:13:32,560
 aware of any just yet. But nonetheless, we know we're in that season of appointees. We're

1662
02:13:32,560 --> 02:13:38,080
 in that season of appointees. So just wanted to give Madison some time. So she only has

1663
02:13:38,080 --> 02:13:42,160
 to hopefully do that presentation once. But anyway, to go over any changes that have been

1664
02:13:42,160 --> 02:13:46,680
 made to the ethics ordinance so that you're all fully aware of what those might be. Also,

1665
02:13:46,680 --> 02:13:51,880
 in terms of past council action, so I could not recall if I reported on this one in the

1666
02:13:51,880 --> 02:13:55,800
 past. So my apologies if I'm being repetitive, but the timing was right around the time we

1667
02:13:55,800 --> 02:14:00,200
 had our last meeting. So I figured better be safe than sorry, right? So we had an alternative

1668
02:14:00,200 --> 02:14:04,320
 ESA plan for Hunter Ranch phase one. I know Christy had presented that to the planning

1669
02:14:04,320 --> 02:14:08,040
 and zoning commission. You all had recommended approval. So council did approve that item.

1670
02:14:08,040 --> 02:14:13,560
 So that one did occur. The Denton High School assigned district, I know Julie had that here

1671
02:14:13,560 --> 02:14:20,520
 recently and presented that to you all. There was lots of conversation about the signs that

1672
02:14:20,520 --> 02:14:25,020
 or why we were doing that sign district, given that some of the signs were also had been

1673
02:14:25,020 --> 02:14:30,960
 installed. So council did approve that request. So they are now in compliance. So and like

1674
02:14:30,960 --> 02:14:34,480
 I said, during the PNC, I mean, our meeting, our goal was to get them to compliance as

1675
02:14:34,480 --> 02:14:39,960
 well. But but know that they had success at the at the city council meeting. I'm also

1676
02:14:39,960 --> 02:14:45,520
 short term runnels removing that primary residency requirement as a result of the Supreme Court

1677
02:14:45,520 --> 02:14:49,840
 ruling decisions. So I know you all recommended approval of that council did end up approving

1678
02:14:49,840 --> 02:14:55,340
 that. And then speaking of short term models know that we are moving into some heavy lifting

1679
02:14:55,340 --> 02:15:01,400
 on some public engagement as it relates to that. And that will be occurring. Let's see,

1680
02:15:01,400 --> 02:15:06,840
 I know we have a couple of town hall scheduled, one virtual one in person and they're either

1681
02:15:06,840 --> 02:15:10,900
 at the end of next week or end of next week in the following week. So more information

1682
02:15:10,900 --> 02:15:14,400
 is out on discussed it and as it relates to that for folks that are wanting to follow

1683
02:15:14,400 --> 02:15:19,240
 along on that. And if you recall, all of that public engagement being done was a result

1684
02:15:19,240 --> 02:15:24,360
 of the DCRC wanting to receive some more information before providing for some decisions. And then

1685
02:15:24,360 --> 02:15:28,540
 lastly, Mia had a zoning case Jefferson at Mayhill. If you recall, this was the one that

1686
02:15:28,540 --> 02:15:33,800
 was across the street from our landfill, formerly city owned property that the city had since

1687
02:15:33,800 --> 02:15:39,680
 sold. And so the applicant was requesting to rezone that. I believe it was to Mr. If

1688
02:15:39,680 --> 02:15:44,520
 memory serves me correctly, council did approve that request as well. So that went through.

1689
02:15:44,520 --> 02:15:50,040
 So, and with that, that concludes my report. Thank you. Thank you. So anything to be added

1690
02:15:50,040 --> 02:15:54,320
 to the matrix by anyone? Oh, I would just add, don't forget your homework assignment

1691
02:15:54,320 --> 02:15:58,520
 that Julie gave you with respect to the flyers. I was going there next to concluding items.

1692
02:15:58,520 --> 02:16:03,960
 I will go ahead and announce as related to our work session. Take note that the Southeast

1693
02:16:03,960 --> 02:16:12,020
 and area plan visioning workshop is Saturday, August 26, come and go between 10 and 2pm

1694
02:16:12,020 --> 02:16:19,400
 at the American Legion Legion Hall Senior Center. And things are available where they

1695
02:16:19,400 --> 02:16:27,200
 stand now with a plan on discussed.com. Commissioner proof. Yeah, just one while we're on the subject

1696
02:16:27,200 --> 02:16:34,200
 of all of these input meetings and plans. I believe the text dot loop 288 input online

1697
02:16:34,200 --> 02:16:38,680
 is available now through this Friday. So if you have any comments or thoughts to share

1698
02:16:38,680 --> 02:16:48,280
 with our state agency, now's the time. Great. Thank you. Any other concluding items? Okay.

1699
02:16:48,280 --> 02:16:51,360
 With that, I will adjourn us at 740pm. Thank you.