WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.760 Hello everyone, welcome to the sustainability framework advisory committee. 00:00:06.760 --> 00:00:14.520 It is Friday July 28 2023 at one o'clock, we are in the city council work session room, 00:00:14.520 --> 00:00:16.600 and we do have a quorum. 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:23.980 Today we will start with our items for individual consideration, a consider approval of the 00:00:23.980 --> 00:00:33.120 may 26 2023 minutes, so you want to have any comments on those, no comments, anyone like 00:00:33.120 --> 00:00:42.960 to motion to approve, I move approve, okay, second, Adam, all right, all in favor of approval 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:52.000 of the minutes, okay, and we have a change in our agenda, so we are going to be moving 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:58.760 item D receive an update from the city secretary regarding sustainability framework advisory 00:00:58.760 --> 00:01:04.880 committee membership terms and appointment processes up, and then we will begin with 00:01:04.880 --> 00:01:09.120 the agenda B through F after that. 00:01:09.120 --> 00:01:20.240 So if we want to go ahead and open that item, okay, welcome, hi, I've only been doing boards 00:01:20.240 --> 00:01:25.080 and commission vetting and appointment stuff for well less than two weeks now, so I might 00:01:25.080 --> 00:01:29.200 not be the best person to ask questions, but I see that you got my card, if you have any 00:01:29.200 --> 00:01:36.000 questions, please email me and I will get back to you Monday for sure on any questions, 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:43.320 and I just wanted to let you know, there appears to be three people who, terms, my glasses 00:01:43.320 --> 00:01:50.400 broke, I'm wearing an old pair of glasses, so I'm having one heck of a time reading this. 00:01:50.400 --> 00:01:59.120 I see that there are three people that terms end on August 31st, Edward Sofe, Brand Richter 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:05.560 and then Keely Briggs, if you would like to be considered for reappointment, we ask that 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:12.620 you just complete the online application again, which is on the webpage, and when you do that, 00:02:12.620 --> 00:02:19.160 just enter your personal email and it should bring up your member details when you're reapplying, 00:02:19.160 --> 00:02:25.080 and then after you finish that, if you would contact your nominating council member, and 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:35.360 I can tell you who that is if you want, see for Edward Sofe, it is Mayor Pro Tem Beck, 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:45.320 for Brand Richter, it is Brandon Chase McGee, and then for Keely Briggs, it is Chris Watts, 00:02:45.320 --> 00:02:51.160 and just let them know that you have reapplied, and what they do after that is they will email 00:02:51.160 --> 00:02:56.100 the city secretary's office and we put you in for vetting again, which it's really easy 00:02:56.100 --> 00:03:01.680 when you reapply, because we just check your residency and then the indebtedness again, 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:08.220 and it usually takes less than two or three days and our goal is to get as many people 00:03:08.220 --> 00:03:17.160 that are reapplying on the August 15th city council agenda to get them confirmed for that, 00:03:17.160 --> 00:03:22.480 and vetting, we give them a week, but honestly, I push them after three days, I'll send them 00:03:22.480 --> 00:03:27.160 an email today saying, hey, could you please do this, and they usually get back to me that 00:03:27.160 --> 00:03:31.120 day, so usually I can get it done in about three days, but it can take up to a week for 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:37.760 the re-vetting, and also, there should be, I don't know if you guys all, you all have 00:03:37.760 --> 00:03:39.680 city emails, right? 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:46.360 On June 9th, they sent out an email going over the, if you needed to, if your terms 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:51.840 were expiring, and so you might want to check that too, but honestly, all you have to do 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:59.360 is go to the webpage and reapply, and it might be in your spam, I'm not sure, I mean, it's 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:01.400 not a big deal if you just go to the website. 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:03.760 Can I ask a quick question? 00:04:03.760 --> 00:04:04.760 Sure. 00:04:04.760 --> 00:04:09.960 Where on the website would I go to do what I need to do? 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:14.280 When you go on the website, the way I found it this morning, I just literally searched 00:04:14.280 --> 00:04:17.920 boards and commissions, got on the boards and commissions page, and then it'll just 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:22.000 have a little box that says apply, just click on that, and I think it's like in the middle 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:24.280 on the right side, and it's a yellow box. 00:04:24.280 --> 00:04:26.560 If I have any problem, I'll call you. 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:27.560 Yeah. 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:34.840 And if there's any other questions, I think that's. 00:04:34.840 --> 00:04:38.800 If we're not listed there, does that mean our term expires a year from then? 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:40.800 Yes, it'll be a year, yeah. 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:45.200 The other terms, and I'll leave this here if you want to look at it, it's just my notes, 00:04:45.200 --> 00:04:49.360 and you'll probably have a better chance of reading it than I will, because I printed 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:53.600 it way too small, but it'll have your present term and the expiration dates and stuff, and 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:56.400 I'll show it to you, and like I said, I'll leave it here, no big deal. 00:04:56.400 --> 00:04:59.000 And are there also empty seats that need to be nominated? 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:04.520 There are two empty seats that need to be nominated, and I am not sure. 00:05:04.520 --> 00:05:12.400 We sent out emails last week to council members saying that they have vacant spots, so, and 00:05:12.400 --> 00:05:17.440 I think they are in the process of vetting for those spots, but I'm not sure on sustainability 00:05:17.440 --> 00:05:24.480 if one or two of them have been, are being vetted as we speak, I'm not sure on that. 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:27.440 Okay, thank you. 00:05:27.440 --> 00:05:28.440 Yep. 00:05:28.440 --> 00:05:31.640 Do you have a question? 00:05:31.640 --> 00:05:32.640 Okay. 00:05:32.640 --> 00:05:33.960 Thank you. 00:05:33.960 --> 00:05:44.840 All right, we will continue with our agenda and go to, back up to B, receive a report, 00:05:44.840 --> 00:05:50.240 hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding climate action and adaptation plan 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:54.040 emissions, reductions, and community priorities. 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:58.880 And we are going to be doing Zoom on this item. 00:05:58.880 --> 00:06:04.680 And we have Moira from SSG on with us via Zoom. 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:05.680 Hello, welcome. 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:08.480 Thank you so much. 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:17.720 And I will share my screen with you now. 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:28.960 It always takes a second. 00:06:28.960 --> 00:06:38.600 All right. 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:44.880 Okay. 00:06:44.880 --> 00:06:48.000 Is that appearing for you now? 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:49.880 Great. 00:06:49.880 --> 00:06:52.600 All right. 00:06:52.600 --> 00:06:53.600 Good afternoon. 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:55.040 It's my pleasure to be with you today. 00:06:55.040 --> 00:06:56.680 I haven't met you before. 00:06:56.680 --> 00:07:02.560 My colleague Carol usually presents to you as we've been progressing through this project, 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:06.480 but I've always been there in the background watching, so I feel like I have heard from 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:08.040 all of you before. 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:09.040 My name is Maurea Braun. 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:14.240 I'm the project lead on the SSG team that's been working with your city administration 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:17.880 to develop the climate action and adaptation plan. 00:07:17.880 --> 00:07:22.120 And we have a lot of material to cover today, but I think it's really interesting material, 00:07:22.120 --> 00:07:27.200 and I'm really anxious to hear from you on all of this content. 00:07:27.200 --> 00:07:29.940 All right. 00:07:29.940 --> 00:07:34.080 So the last time Carol was with you, they shared some of the climate actions that we 00:07:34.080 --> 00:07:36.000 were going to model for Denton. 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:40.960 So today I'll be sharing what the results of that modeling can tell us about how you 00:07:40.960 --> 00:07:44.400 may potentially reduce your greenhouse gas emissions. 00:07:44.400 --> 00:07:49.360 I'll show you how much of your emissions between now and 2050, each of the actions that we 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:54.600 discussed then will eliminate, and I'll also tell you what those actions will cost and 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:57.840 what they'll earn or save in many cases. 00:07:57.840 --> 00:08:02.120 And after we've looked at each group of actions, we'll share some of the ideas that we've heard 00:08:02.120 --> 00:08:10.160 from Dentonites, both through our community survey and from focus groups. 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:15.800 So we'll begin by looking at Denton's likely greenhouse gas emissions trajectories in three 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:17.780 different scenarios. 00:08:17.780 --> 00:08:22.680 On this graph, the top blue line is one that you've seen before. 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:30.600 That is from 2019 to 2050 representing Denton's emissions in the businesses planned scenario. 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:31.920 That's what we call it. 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:38.240 And just to remind you of what's in that scenario, that reflects the expected growth of the community 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:41.640 with the population doubling in this timeframe. 00:08:41.640 --> 00:08:43.520 It also includes expected trends. 00:08:43.520 --> 00:08:50.320 For example, what the NCT cog is forecasting EV uptake will be over the next 27 years. 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:53.100 That's in that BAP line. 00:08:53.100 --> 00:08:57.220 It also reflects the climate changes that we're expecting in Denton. 00:08:57.220 --> 00:09:03.200 More heat waves and an overall higher average annual temperature over that time. 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:08.960 And then the implications of that on your need for air conditioning and so on. 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:13.640 And it includes work that is already planned and approved by your city administration, 00:09:13.640 --> 00:09:18.960 such as installing the anaerobic digester at your water reclamation plant. 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:23.780 And all of those expectations put together are reflected in that line. 00:09:23.780 --> 00:09:29.900 So with doubling your population, warming climate, and so on, your emissions would be 00:09:29.900 --> 00:09:36.880 projected to increase by 31% by 2050 relative to 2019. 00:09:36.880 --> 00:09:40.300 I'll shift your focus then to the purple line at the bottom. 00:09:40.300 --> 00:09:44.020 This one shows you the trajectory that you would need to follow if you are to meet your 00:09:44.020 --> 00:09:46.440 climate action goals. 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:55.140 We've noted with a circle that in 2030, your goal is to have eliminated 46.3% of your emissions. 00:09:55.140 --> 00:10:02.140 And if you were to reach that goal, you would need to emit no more than 704,000 tons of 00:10:02.140 --> 00:10:03.640 greenhouse gases. 00:10:03.640 --> 00:10:07.100 And then from there, your emissions would continue to trend downward until they reach 00:10:07.100 --> 00:10:10.260 zero in 2050. 00:10:10.260 --> 00:10:13.120 And then you can shift to the green line in the middle. 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:17.660 This represents Denton's trajectory if all of the climate actions that we modeled for 00:10:17.660 --> 00:10:20.580 you are completed over time. 00:10:20.580 --> 00:10:27.540 So this is the line that represents what we modeled, switching to more of your new residences 00:10:27.540 --> 00:10:33.860 being apartments, taking fewer trips in vehicles, and more of them biking and walking, a faster 00:10:33.860 --> 00:10:39.620 uptake of EVs, and also changing your energy sources to more renewables. 00:10:39.620 --> 00:10:42.300 We'll talk about those in more detail next. 00:10:42.300 --> 00:10:45.260 But immediately, I think when you look at this, you can see two things. 00:10:45.260 --> 00:10:50.840 First of all, the low carbon pathway that we modeled for you is a dramatic reduction. 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:56.700 It's a reduction of 87% in 2050, relative to the DAP scenario. 00:10:56.700 --> 00:10:59.180 And that's excellent. 00:10:59.180 --> 00:11:02.140 It's not fast enough to meet your 2030 goal, though. 00:11:02.140 --> 00:11:05.740 And we'll talk about that more a little later on. 00:11:05.740 --> 00:11:11.500 I also want to remind you of what these lines and what this modeling did not include. 00:11:11.500 --> 00:11:16.820 The policies, the incentives, and the programs that are used to make these changes happen 00:11:16.820 --> 00:11:18.960 are not part of what you see here. 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:24.340 This is simply a representation of what Denton's emissions would be if this set of actions 00:11:24.340 --> 00:11:29.460 were completed. 00:11:29.460 --> 00:11:35.380 This is another depiction of your low carbon scenario and how things would change over 00:11:35.380 --> 00:11:36.380 time. 00:11:36.380 --> 00:11:41.060 So the wedges that you see here are showing you different fuel types and how some of them 00:11:41.060 --> 00:11:44.700 will be decreasing and being replaced by others. 00:11:44.700 --> 00:11:49.620 So the large dark blue section on the bottom represents gasoline, for example. 00:11:49.620 --> 00:11:54.100 And it doesn't decrease very much until relatively late in the game. 00:11:54.100 --> 00:11:59.040 But the pale blue wedge closer to the top represents natural gas. 00:11:59.040 --> 00:12:05.780 And that one you see is disappearing quite a bit before 2050. 00:12:05.780 --> 00:12:10.780 And then in contrast to that, the yellow wedge represents grid electricity. 00:12:10.780 --> 00:12:16.460 And we are definitely shifting a lot of the way that Denton would be operating to a greater 00:12:16.460 --> 00:12:21.620 use of electricity. 00:12:21.620 --> 00:12:27.220 I've embedded the 2030 target in here again to show you where that number stands relative 00:12:27.220 --> 00:12:28.220 to fuel use. 00:12:28.220 --> 00:12:33.540 So you can see that almost just the use of gasoline alone takes you up to that target 00:12:33.540 --> 00:12:34.540 number. 00:12:34.540 --> 00:12:40.380 So as our discussion continues, you'll find me stating a few times that transportation 00:12:40.380 --> 00:12:42.260 is going to have to be a big focus. 00:12:42.260 --> 00:12:46.940 It's also an area where you have both challenges in terms of what you can do or what can be 00:12:46.940 --> 00:12:52.300 achieved by a municipality, but also a lot of opportunities that are really positive. 00:12:52.300 --> 00:12:59.380 Now, actually, I'm going to stop there for a second, back up, and I'm just going to pause 00:12:59.380 --> 00:13:05.180 and ask, are there any questions that anyone has on any of that information? 00:13:05.180 --> 00:13:07.220 Start with Adam. 00:13:07.220 --> 00:13:08.220 Yeah, thank you. 00:13:08.220 --> 00:13:13.300 Can you just explain what non-energy is on this graph? 00:13:13.300 --> 00:13:14.300 Sure. 00:13:14.300 --> 00:13:15.300 Yes. 00:13:15.300 --> 00:13:17.780 Those are your emissions from waste sources. 00:13:17.780 --> 00:13:23.220 So that would be waste water, emissions from waste water, sludge, and also emissions from 00:13:23.220 --> 00:13:24.220 the landfill. 00:13:24.220 --> 00:13:29.060 And it's just the portion that isn't being captured by your landfill gas capture system. 00:13:29.060 --> 00:13:38.260 I was just going to ask if you could go back to the previous slide. 00:13:38.260 --> 00:13:39.260 Sure. 00:13:39.260 --> 00:13:41.980 Oh, and should I start sharing again? 00:13:41.980 --> 00:13:48.700 And then could you give us the values of what the low carbon reduction and the target reduction 00:13:48.700 --> 00:13:49.700 are? 00:13:49.700 --> 00:13:53.860 I understand you gave us the relative increase and decrease, but I was hoping you could share 00:13:53.860 --> 00:14:00.100 with us, on that 2050 marker, the separation, what's the value between the low carbon and 00:14:00.100 --> 00:14:02.700 the target? 00:14:02.700 --> 00:14:04.460 Low carbon and the target. 00:14:04.460 --> 00:14:06.820 I can look that up for you in a little bit. 00:14:06.820 --> 00:14:08.180 I don't have the screen in front of me. 00:14:08.180 --> 00:14:09.940 I believe it's about 170,000. 00:14:09.940 --> 00:14:10.940 Okay. 00:14:10.940 --> 00:14:12.020 Thank you. 00:14:12.020 --> 00:14:13.020 Yes. 00:14:13.020 --> 00:14:14.020 Go ahead. 00:14:14.020 --> 00:14:21.980 Hold on a minute. 00:14:21.980 --> 00:14:25.220 Could you go to the next slide, please? 00:14:25.220 --> 00:14:26.580 Sure. 00:14:26.580 --> 00:14:29.340 Is RNG renewable natural gas? 00:14:29.340 --> 00:14:31.100 Yes, it is. 00:14:31.100 --> 00:14:37.700 And how is that different from natural natural gas? 00:14:37.700 --> 00:14:43.100 Natural natural gas refers to fossil fuel based natural gas. 00:14:43.100 --> 00:14:51.260 Renewable natural gas is produced by transforming waste, so organic waste often, into and waste 00:14:51.260 --> 00:14:56.340 water, sludge, into a gas by purifying it. 00:14:56.340 --> 00:14:57.340 Thank you very much. 00:14:57.340 --> 00:14:58.340 You're welcome. 00:14:58.340 --> 00:15:03.420 And just to clarify, natural gas, the fossil fuel kind, is considered to be an emitting 00:15:03.420 --> 00:15:05.740 gas, a highly emitting gas. 00:15:05.740 --> 00:15:10.220 Renewable natural gas, because it comes from sources that actually absorb carbon dioxide, 00:15:10.220 --> 00:15:12.620 is considered to be emissions neutral. 00:15:12.620 --> 00:15:16.060 So it isn't, using it does not contribute to your inventory. 00:15:16.060 --> 00:15:17.060 Thanks. 00:15:17.060 --> 00:15:18.060 Yeah. 00:15:18.060 --> 00:15:23.260 I think we're good on questions if you want to continue. 00:15:23.260 --> 00:15:24.260 Okay. 00:15:24.260 --> 00:15:31.060 Oops, I'll jump back to my, where we were. 00:15:31.060 --> 00:15:32.300 Okay. 00:15:32.300 --> 00:15:36.620 So before I show you the summary financials, I want to tell you what was included in that 00:15:36.620 --> 00:15:37.620 analysis. 00:15:37.620 --> 00:15:42.660 And first of all, the numbers we show you today are costs and savings for the whole 00:15:42.660 --> 00:15:43.660 community. 00:15:43.660 --> 00:15:49.460 Some costs will be borne by businesses, others by the city, and similarly some savings will 00:15:49.460 --> 00:15:53.700 be realized by homeowners, others by businesses, and others by the city. 00:15:53.700 --> 00:16:00.720 So it's a combination of all of those participants for which we're showing you the values today. 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:06.700 So the values that we calculated for you included at a high level, these three categories of 00:16:06.700 --> 00:16:07.860 costs and savings. 00:16:07.860 --> 00:16:15.260 So capital costs being the upfront purchase costs of new materials, equipment and so on. 00:16:15.260 --> 00:16:19.300 Operations and maintenance costs, such as regular vehicle maintenance. 00:16:19.300 --> 00:16:23.140 And then thirdly, energy or fuel costs. 00:16:23.140 --> 00:16:30.100 And each of these types of costs or savings were calculated for these sectors. 00:16:30.100 --> 00:16:37.060 So for buildings, equipment, vehicles, energy production, like solar energy production or 00:16:37.060 --> 00:16:42.420 wind power production, land use and infrastructure as well. 00:16:42.420 --> 00:16:48.620 Those last two categories would be costs and savings for the city primarily. 00:16:48.620 --> 00:16:53.460 So for example, when we retrofit a house, we included the capital cost of adding new 00:16:53.460 --> 00:16:55.620 windows, doors, and insulation. 00:16:55.620 --> 00:17:01.300 But then we also included the expected savings in energy costs to heat and cool that building 00:17:01.300 --> 00:17:04.460 after the retrofits were completed. 00:17:04.460 --> 00:17:08.420 And similarly, in the case of vehicles, we've included the capital cost of a new electric 00:17:08.420 --> 00:17:09.680 vehicle. 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:14.100 And we've also included the savings on both fuel and maintenance costs that would then 00:17:14.100 --> 00:17:19.320 be experienced for the owner of that vehicle. 00:17:19.320 --> 00:17:26.060 And now here's a financial summary of the actions in the plan we did for Denton. 00:17:26.060 --> 00:17:33.500 So to reduce Denton's emissions by 87% by 2050 would require, if we start in the top 00:17:33.500 --> 00:17:41.120 row, a total investment of $3.25 billion over the period of 2023 to 2050. 00:17:41.120 --> 00:17:46.180 And that's an average of $120.3 million annually. 00:17:46.180 --> 00:17:53.120 On the second row, we see that it would return a total of $7.25 billion in savings or revenue. 00:17:53.120 --> 00:17:55.440 It's a combination of the two. 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:59.820 And that's an average of $268.5 million annually. 00:17:59.820 --> 00:18:07.780 So overall, that's a net savings, community-wide, of $4.003 billion over the whole period. 00:18:07.780 --> 00:18:14.640 If you looked at it as an investment, that would be returning an average of 8.3% annually. 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:20.080 Or you could look at it as returning $2.23 for every dollar invested. 00:18:20.080 --> 00:18:28.940 And from the perspective of cost per ton eliminated, it will actually save over $3,000 for every 00:18:28.940 --> 00:18:33.160 metric ton of carbon dioxide that you eliminate. 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:37.560 And I'll stop there again, because I suspect there could be questions. 00:18:37.560 --> 00:18:43.020 Do you have any questions for me on that, Simon? 00:18:43.020 --> 00:18:44.020 You were right. 00:18:44.020 --> 00:18:51.920 I do have a -- I don't -- I have many questions, but let me just try to pick the one that stood 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:52.920 out for me most. 00:18:52.920 --> 00:19:00.760 Can you explain to us how this plan would generate an overall savings of just over $4 00:19:00.760 --> 00:19:02.400 billion by 2050? 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:04.040 Yes, I can. 00:19:04.040 --> 00:19:08.940 I can do my best in the remaining time we have today, because I'm going to go into the 00:19:08.940 --> 00:19:13.080 details of the actions in the following slides. 00:19:13.080 --> 00:19:15.240 So maybe we should continue through those. 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:19.000 And if there are still questions that you have about specifics, you can ask me after 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:20.000 that. 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:21.000 Is that okay? 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:22.000 That sounds good. 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:23.000 Okay. 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:25.120 Any other high-level questions? 00:19:25.120 --> 00:19:26.120 No? 00:19:26.120 --> 00:19:27.120 All right. 00:19:27.120 --> 00:19:28.120 We'll continue then. 00:19:28.120 --> 00:19:29.120 All right. 00:19:29.120 --> 00:19:44.560 So we'll look first at renewable energy. 00:19:44.560 --> 00:19:49.160 And the actions that we modeled included these four primarily. 00:19:49.160 --> 00:19:55.380 So by 2048, Denton would have 149 megawatts of rooftop solar. 00:19:55.380 --> 00:19:58.920 You have 9 megawatts right now, so that's an increase of 140. 00:19:58.920 --> 00:20:05.520 By 2050, you would have 68 megawatts of generating capability from local renewable sources with 00:20:05.520 --> 00:20:07.520 control. 00:20:07.520 --> 00:20:11.800 And that is made up primarily of wind and ground mount solar. 00:20:11.800 --> 00:20:18.960 Thirdly, you would be diverting organic waste into your wastewater processing. 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:24.600 And digesting that in an anaerobic digester to produce renewable natural gas. 00:20:24.600 --> 00:20:29.520 And fourthly, some of the wind power that would be installed would be further processed 00:20:29.520 --> 00:20:32.320 to produce green hydrogen. 00:20:32.320 --> 00:20:39.440 So all of those changes together would save 4.6 megatons of emissions between now and 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:47.660 2050, which makes up 17.8% of the total reductions that we achieve for you. 00:20:47.660 --> 00:20:51.760 And from a cost perspective, the first two are combined together. 00:20:51.760 --> 00:20:58.560 So installing 149 megawatts of rooftop solar as well as the ground mount solar and wind 00:20:58.560 --> 00:21:05.720 would eliminate 96,000 tons of emissions, which is 0.4% of the total. 00:21:05.720 --> 00:21:12.360 The investment is just under 200 million and the return is 292.8 million. 00:21:12.360 --> 00:21:16.440 So your net present value then is 93.2 million. 00:21:16.440 --> 00:21:23.200 And that is simply, if I can explain what the components of those investments and returns 00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:24.200 are. 00:21:24.200 --> 00:21:28.800 The investment would refer primarily to the equipment, the capital costs of the equipment 00:21:28.800 --> 00:21:32.200 and the labor to have those systems installed. 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:39.160 And the return is entirely savings over the same period of time between 2023 and 2050 00:21:39.160 --> 00:21:46.200 on costs that would otherwise have been spent to purchase that electricity. 00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:51.120 And that works out to a net value of 93.2 million. 00:21:51.120 --> 00:21:56.080 So from the perspective of how much is it costing you to eliminate a single ton of carbon 00:21:56.080 --> 00:22:03.760 dioxide using these technologies, it's a savings of $968 per ton when all of the savings out 00:22:03.760 --> 00:22:09.920 to 2050 are taken into consideration. 00:22:09.920 --> 00:22:15.200 Renewable natural gas then and hydrogen are both situations in which you would be producing 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:21.400 some from your own locally available renewable resources and procuring the balance. 00:22:21.400 --> 00:22:25.760 So in the case of renewable natural gas, you have a tremendous opportunity to eliminate 00:22:25.760 --> 00:22:31.600 3.7 megatons of emissions, 15% of the total. 00:22:31.600 --> 00:22:36.440 There is a significant cost associated with that and a certain amount of return in terms 00:22:36.440 --> 00:22:47.080 of savings on energy costs to the wastewater processing facility. 00:22:47.080 --> 00:22:53.440 So overall, it would be a cost of $216 million or $58 per ton. 00:22:53.440 --> 00:22:58.520 The investment cost here does not include the anaerobic digester because that's already 00:22:58.520 --> 00:23:01.960 been accounted for in the business's planned scenario. 00:23:01.960 --> 00:23:05.040 So these are all incremental costs. 00:23:05.040 --> 00:23:11.920 And this cost then represents the cost of purchasing additional renewable natural gas 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:18.400 in addition to what you're able to produce locally to replace the use of natural natural 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:27.440 gas, particularly in industry and also, no, actually it was almost entirely in industry. 00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:31.760 Industry is a place where high temperature fuels are still important and renewable natural 00:23:31.760 --> 00:23:35.860 gas is an excellent alternative to natural gas in those contexts. 00:23:35.860 --> 00:23:44.120 So we used this amount and this cost to provide sufficient renewable natural gas to you to 00:23:44.120 --> 00:23:49.080 continue using it in your industry. 00:23:49.080 --> 00:23:54.320 Hydrogen then eliminated a smaller amount of emissions. 00:23:54.320 --> 00:23:57.520 The cost is a little bit higher, the return is a little bit lower. 00:23:57.520 --> 00:24:06.040 So this one is actually more costly overall, and it costs $340 per ton. 00:24:06.040 --> 00:24:10.640 Hydrogen is also one of those energy sources that can be used in industry. 00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:12.520 So it's valuable in that sense. 00:24:12.520 --> 00:24:16.200 It can be produced locally using electrolysis from wind. 00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:17.400 So that's a positive thing. 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:22.200 You don't have to ship it in necessarily, you can produce it locally. 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:25.340 And it can be used to fuel long distance freight hauling. 00:24:25.340 --> 00:24:31.860 So there are very specific contexts in which it's useful, but it's also expensive. 00:24:31.860 --> 00:24:32.860 I'm going to stop soon. 00:24:32.860 --> 00:24:34.760 Let me just see where I go next. 00:24:34.760 --> 00:24:37.040 Maybe I should stop there. 00:24:37.040 --> 00:24:40.640 Did you want to ask me any questions on the specifics of this? 00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:43.640 Do we have any questions? 00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:45.320 Ed? 00:24:45.320 --> 00:24:56.040 Yeah, the city currently bases a lot of its renewable energy capabilities on the purchase 00:24:56.040 --> 00:24:58.440 of REX. 00:24:58.440 --> 00:25:04.880 And do REX in any way enter into the projections that you're presenting here? 00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:06.420 They're included here. 00:25:06.420 --> 00:25:10.760 So because they're already in place, they weren't an additional action that we modeled, 00:25:10.760 --> 00:25:18.920 but we continued to include them right out to 2050 because they make up your DME renewable 00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:20.280 electricity source. 00:25:20.280 --> 00:25:24.160 So all of that is still in place throughout this plan. 00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:36.000 So how would that affect discussions for more community solar? 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:41.120 Because there's frequently a reply that we're already all renewable energy because of the 00:25:41.120 --> 00:25:50.040 REX and that could be used, I would assume, as an excuse for not actually installing community 00:25:50.040 --> 00:25:53.160 solar and virtual power plants and that sort of thing. 00:25:53.160 --> 00:26:02.760 So how does that work, that we still have REX, but we go beyond that? 00:26:02.760 --> 00:26:03.760 Yeah. 00:26:03.760 --> 00:26:04.760 Yeah. 00:26:04.760 --> 00:26:07.120 So there are a few ways that you can look at it. 00:26:07.120 --> 00:26:13.840 I think one is the perspective that having solar locally and on your own home or on buildings 00:26:13.840 --> 00:26:17.320 within your community improves your resilience tremendously. 00:26:17.320 --> 00:26:22.640 So in addition to installing solar on these homes and the costs that are shown here, we 00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:27.360 also included, actually, I will share this again, just in case you want to see this screen 00:26:27.360 --> 00:26:34.160 again from the current slide, there we go. 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:39.000 Having that power generation right within your community makes you more resilient when 00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:40.160 the grid goes out. 00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:47.000 So it is possible if you have battery storage connected to a solar system for you to continue 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:49.960 operating on that battery storage for some time. 00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:55.960 And that is a definite benefit in a situation where the climate is warming. 00:26:55.960 --> 00:26:59.160 So there is that argument for it, which could be used. 00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:05.400 There's also the thinking that ultimately you want to be producing as much of your own 00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:13.400 electricity locally as possible so that you aren't in need of offsetting the fossil fuels 00:27:13.400 --> 00:27:14.780 that you're using. 00:27:14.780 --> 00:27:17.000 You can actually produce them locally. 00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:27.180 So as the deck ages, you'll want to be looking at alternatives and the more renewable options 00:27:27.180 --> 00:27:31.400 you have locally already installed, the easier that transition will be. 00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:36.560 So we're also planning a long-term plan here to get you all the way to 2050. 00:27:36.560 --> 00:27:41.640 And so increasing and encouraging people to install local solar is still a very positive 00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:47.840 option and the energy savings to them, I think, makes homeownership more affordable and is 00:27:47.840 --> 00:27:53.320 a big part of reducing the cost or improving the situation with regards to homeownership 00:27:53.320 --> 00:27:55.720 and affordability. 00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:57.920 So just a little more. 00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:08.680 So do you think it's vital or a really good idea that the city would -- continues to incentivize 00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:11.120 residential solar installations? 00:28:11.120 --> 00:28:13.120 I think -- 00:28:13.120 --> 00:28:14.120 Sorry. 00:28:14.120 --> 00:28:15.120 Go ahead. 00:28:15.120 --> 00:28:16.120 No, it's okay. 00:28:16.120 --> 00:28:17.120 Did you want to extend? 00:28:17.120 --> 00:28:22.920 Well, I mean, that's currently what was done in our green sense program, but they've removed 00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:27.280 the solar incentives, as far as I know, at this point. 00:28:27.280 --> 00:28:32.920 So would it be better to continue incentives such as that? 00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:37.280 I would let the city respond to that because they'll have more specific knowledge about 00:28:37.280 --> 00:28:42.520 all of the factors that go into that decision, but I would say as much as a city can incentivize 00:28:42.520 --> 00:28:45.080 all of these actions is positive. 00:28:45.080 --> 00:28:50.600 But as you can see, even from the cost relative to the amount of greenhouse gas savings, some 00:28:50.600 --> 00:28:53.400 actions are more effective than others. 00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:58.600 And our own modeling confirmed that, for example, retrofitting buildings to make more energy 00:28:58.600 --> 00:29:04.280 efficient has a greater impact on emissions reductions than installing solar. 00:29:04.280 --> 00:29:09.920 So there is an argument for the idea that that is a more effective -- in a time of limited 00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:15.280 funding, that is a more effective way to spend dollars than rooftop solar systems. 00:29:15.280 --> 00:29:18.360 But I wouldn't answer on behalf of the city. 00:29:18.360 --> 00:29:24.480 I don't know -- Katherine, do you want to respond to that? 00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:28.280 We have an item on the agenda today to talk about green sense. 00:29:28.280 --> 00:29:33.960 So we can talk about it at that time. 00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:36.280 Thank you very much. 00:29:36.280 --> 00:29:38.440 I think we have a couple more questions. 00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:39.440 Brian? 00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:45.000 Yeah, I think it would be very helpful to dig into more of the details, especially on 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:50.120 the solar question when we hit that agenda item, but I guess I also wanted a little more 00:29:50.120 --> 00:29:56.320 on the renewable natural gas, since that's a really high volume of emissions that we're 00:29:56.320 --> 00:29:57.480 looking at reducing. 00:29:57.480 --> 00:30:02.080 And I'm just curious so far as the costs and kind of two questions here. 00:30:02.080 --> 00:30:08.240 First, could you high-level the sources that the city emits from renewable natural gases 00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:10.880 that that reduction target is coming from? 00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:16.040 And then two, you kind of shared that most of this is somewhat industry-related as well, 00:30:16.040 --> 00:30:19.920 so I'm curious on -- and I don't know if this is the time to get granular on these things, 00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:25.000 but the types of strategies that the city could help to push that sort of reduction 00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:31.600 if this is mostly an industry concern for where that emission source is coming from? 00:30:31.600 --> 00:30:36.320 I think I can answer your first question now and then maybe hold the second question until 00:30:36.320 --> 00:30:41.880 we get to the slide about approaches for energy, if that's okay with you. 00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:50.320 The sources of natural gas that we targeted overall in the plan are all types of buildings, 00:30:50.320 --> 00:30:58.240 so any heating system, a natural gas furnace, would be one of our main targets. 00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:04.480 We did, however, in the case of most buildings, replace those in our modelling with heat pumps, 00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:10.160 so either ground or air source heat exchange systems. 00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:15.160 So that -- the RNG is not replacing that type of use of natural gas. 00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:17.760 That's already been done with heat pumps. 00:31:17.760 --> 00:31:22.560 The area where natural gas has unique qualities that really can't be replaced by something 00:31:22.560 --> 00:31:31.520 like a heat pump is in industry, so that would include everything from vehicle manufacture 00:31:31.520 --> 00:31:39.200 or steel manufacture to -- let me see, what else would I think -- well, actually, also, 00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:45.440 the natural gas that's used in the deck would also be included in this total, although it's 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:51.640 been reduced slightly by the wind and ground mount solar generation, so we are working 00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:56.880 at reducing that over time, but that would also be one of the sources, so that was seen 00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:59.520 as part of the industrial sector. 00:31:59.520 --> 00:32:08.000 So any sort of heavy-duty manufacturing generally uses renewable natural gas to -- as a clean 00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:11.160 alternative in future cases. 00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:14.840 And then your other question was related to approaches, yes. 00:32:14.840 --> 00:32:17.480 So remind me of that when we get to the approaches slide. 00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:18.480 Thank you. 00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:19.480 Adam? 00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:20.480 You're good? 00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:21.480 Okay. 00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:24.080 I think we're ready to move on. 00:32:24.080 --> 00:32:25.080 Okay. 00:32:25.080 --> 00:32:26.080 Oops. 00:32:26.080 --> 00:32:27.080 So challenges. 00:32:27.080 --> 00:32:34.560 A challenge that's unique to Texas is the restrictions on regulating renewable energy. 00:32:34.560 --> 00:32:39.420 That certainly makes it more difficult for a community to set up regulations about the 00:32:39.420 --> 00:32:44.240 types of heating and cooling systems that are used in buildings. 00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:50.240 A second one that comes up often and is often raised by utilities is the question of if 00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:55.160 we electrify everything, as we saw in that earlier slide, if we really make a big shift 00:32:55.160 --> 00:33:01.020 towards everything being powered with electricity, will we be able to provide enough electricity 00:33:01.020 --> 00:33:04.640 and will our distribution capacity be able to handle that? 00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:08.560 So we did a small analysis of that for you. 00:33:08.560 --> 00:33:16.080 And an explanation of why the answer is yes begins with recognition that the technologies 00:33:16.080 --> 00:33:19.520 we work with today are generally inefficient. 00:33:19.520 --> 00:33:27.160 So furnaces, a high efficiency furnace, natural gas furnace today is generally about 96% efficient. 00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:36.000 That is, it only needs about 4% of the energy that it takes in in total to operate the furnace. 00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:41.200 Combustion vehicles, on the other hand, are incredibly inefficient users of the gas or 00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:42.280 diesel that they use. 00:33:42.280 --> 00:33:44.840 They're only about 12 to 30% efficient. 00:33:44.840 --> 00:33:48.040 So that's today's world. 00:33:48.040 --> 00:33:53.880 In the future, the scenario that we've proposed for you, we're replacing those furnaces with 00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:54.880 heat pumps. 00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:57.600 And heat pumps are 300 to 400% efficient. 00:33:57.600 --> 00:34:03.760 That always confused me until I realized what it meant is that they take one unit of electricity 00:34:03.760 --> 00:34:09.800 and are able to produce three to four units of heat from that one unit of electricity. 00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:15.280 And that's how they come up with that factor, that increased efficiency. 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:19.720 EVs are more than 77% efficient. 00:34:19.720 --> 00:34:21.920 So they're also making a significant difference. 00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:27.120 So those two changes alone are really cutting down on the total amount of electricity that 00:34:27.120 --> 00:34:30.240 you're going to use. 00:34:30.240 --> 00:34:34.560 So if we look at it, the shares across three scenarios. 00:34:34.560 --> 00:34:40.760 So firstly, in 2019, electricity, which is again the yellow area of that bar, made up 00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:45.360 31% of Denton's total energy use. 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:49.080 In the BAP scenario in 2050, that is rising. 00:34:49.080 --> 00:34:52.600 It's rising to 50% of total energy used. 00:34:52.600 --> 00:34:57.320 And the amount of energy used is rising significantly as well. 00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:03.600 In the low carbon scenario, the total amount of energy used only increases a bit from the 00:35:03.600 --> 00:35:05.680 2019 situation. 00:35:05.680 --> 00:35:10.720 Most of it is electricity, but the bars are almost exactly the same size between the BAP 00:35:10.720 --> 00:35:13.200 and the low carbon. 00:35:13.200 --> 00:35:20.880 So if I look at just those three bars together, in 2019, you had about 6 million gigajoules 00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:22.840 of electricity used. 00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:28.440 In 2050, in the BAP situation, you would have 20.5 gigajoules. 00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:33.740 And in the low carbon situation, you would actually have 20.47, so just slightly less. 00:35:33.740 --> 00:35:40.080 So if your utility is building out sufficiently to meet the business's plan scenario, it will 00:35:40.080 --> 00:35:42.960 be enough to meet the low carbon scenario. 00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:48.000 Do you have any questions on that explanation? 00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:51.560 I think we do, Adam. 00:35:51.560 --> 00:35:53.320 Yeah. 00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:57.120 Can you go back one slide, please? 00:35:57.120 --> 00:35:58.120 Yes. 00:35:58.120 --> 00:36:01.200 Actually, sorry, one more. 00:36:01.200 --> 00:36:02.200 Okay. 00:36:02.200 --> 00:36:03.200 Oops. 00:36:03.200 --> 00:36:04.480 This one? 00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:05.480 Yeah. 00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:12.020 So this is my question about EVs. 00:36:12.020 --> 00:36:18.000 I understand they're 77 plus efficient when you consider the electricity already being 00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:23.080 there and translating that electricity into forward momentum of a car. 00:36:23.080 --> 00:36:27.640 But isn't it still going to be the case that you have a lot of efficiency losses across 00:36:27.640 --> 00:36:33.040 the transmission and distribution lines to get the electricity to the vehicle? 00:36:33.040 --> 00:36:39.140 Well, that's a very strong argument to gain in favor of localizing as much of that electricity 00:36:39.140 --> 00:36:40.960 as possible. 00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:45.760 So the shorter the transmission distance, the less you lose. 00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:52.200 But it is not, that is actually, it's included in our calculations, the losses due to transmission 00:36:52.200 --> 00:36:53.960 and distribution. 00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:58.880 And they're not sufficient to affect those final slides that I showed you, the ones that 00:36:58.880 --> 00:36:59.880 follow. 00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:06.000 Okay, so that's 77 efficiency number in the slides following factor into the account, 00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:09.800 the efficiency losses across transmission and distribution lines. 00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:10.800 Yes. 00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:11.800 Okay. 00:37:11.800 --> 00:37:12.800 Thank you. 00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:13.800 Yep. 00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:14.800 Any other questions? 00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:15.800 I think we're good. 00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:16.800 Okay. 00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:17.800 All right. 00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:29.360 So talking about opportunities then, a lot of these ideas came to us from surveys, the 00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:32.520 survey to the community and also from focus groups. 00:37:32.520 --> 00:37:36.440 And some of them are just evident from what we've already been talking about. 00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:43.080 So the fact that your municipality has control of key utilities is a real opportunity because 00:37:43.080 --> 00:37:48.760 it gives them the ability to make decisions about what's going to happen at those utilities. 00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:55.280 To what extent will organics be included in anaerobic digestion and those kinds of things 00:37:55.280 --> 00:38:00.680 that makes that decision making process much more straightforward? 00:38:00.680 --> 00:38:10.120 Renewable natural gas will allow the water reclamation plant to become a net zero emitter 00:38:10.120 --> 00:38:12.440 by 2033. 00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:20.400 It will also divert organic waste and it will produce zero emissions fuel for industry, 00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:23.120 which is a difficult sector of society to decarbonize. 00:38:23.120 --> 00:38:27.680 So all of those make that a real opportunity for you. 00:38:27.680 --> 00:38:33.280 Living in Texas, you have an abundant source of renewables and that includes both intermittent. 00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:37.480 Wind and solar are intermittent renewables, but you also have opportunities for dispatchable 00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:38.680 renewables. 00:38:38.680 --> 00:38:44.480 So you're in a good position geographically to be able to take advantage of these sources 00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:46.360 nearby. 00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:50.000 And finally, dentonites continue to be very supportive of renewable energy. 00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:56.700 63% of our survey respondents were interested in installing solar panels on their homes. 00:38:56.700 --> 00:39:03.680 So they're still seeing the value of having those systems on their own buildings. 00:39:03.680 --> 00:39:07.720 Now approaches. 00:39:07.720 --> 00:39:12.960 The approaches that we're going to present to you today, we group into three categories, 00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:17.580 requiring or mandating, incentivizing or encouraging. 00:39:17.580 --> 00:39:24.920 So clearly the most strong armed is the requiring, incentivizing is a little less strong and 00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:31.560 encouraging is quite a gentle approach to making the change happen. 00:39:31.560 --> 00:39:40.800 Under the require category in energy, I created this phrase, but it is in existence in the 00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:44.660 industry in general, fuel agnostic energy intensity standards. 00:39:44.660 --> 00:39:51.720 So in most communities, we recommend that switching to net zero emissions, heating and 00:39:51.720 --> 00:39:57.760 cooling systems for space heating and cooling and for domestic water use be one of the first 00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:02.940 things that a city puts into its building code to make it happen, mandate it, just make 00:40:02.940 --> 00:40:04.500 it unquestionable. 00:40:04.500 --> 00:40:09.320 You still have to educate the community and teach builders how to build to those standards. 00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:11.660 But other than that, just mandate it. 00:40:11.660 --> 00:40:13.560 In Texas, we can't do that. 00:40:13.560 --> 00:40:19.800 So we've been talking about different ways that the city could approach requiring an 00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:26.200 energy intensity or an energy efficiency that's so high that only a decarbonized system would 00:40:26.200 --> 00:40:27.960 be able to meet it. 00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:32.160 So that's one of the alternatives that we're looking at, and that's going to be looked 00:40:32.160 --> 00:40:36.920 at as part of the legal evaluation that's being done in Denton. 00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:42.200 Some ideas for incentivizing the energy shift would include expediting permits and inspections 00:40:42.200 --> 00:40:46.480 for builders who are installing zero emission systems. 00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:52.120 And also the city's own opportunities to build or own zero emissions energy production on 00:40:52.120 --> 00:40:59.300 behalf of the community, much like it purchases REX for the DME today. 00:40:59.300 --> 00:41:04.160 Encouraging could include opportunities like partnering with trade schools to train low 00:41:04.160 --> 00:41:09.720 income dentonites so that you both skill up those people and give them good jobs for the 00:41:09.720 --> 00:41:14.200 future, and you also ensure that you have enough workforce in place to be able to make 00:41:14.200 --> 00:41:17.240 these changes to your community. 00:41:17.240 --> 00:41:22.000 And finally, educating the community about the benefits of renewable energy. 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:26.200 There's a lot to learn about how all of these systems work and why they're a good idea, 00:41:26.200 --> 00:41:31.680 and as much as you can do to move that ahead will benefit you. 00:41:31.680 --> 00:41:36.080 Now this is where I thought I could talk about the approach question that you had. 00:41:36.080 --> 00:41:40.400 What was that question again? 00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:46.280 That was under the renewable natural gas for industry and ways that as a municipality since 00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:51.460 we're looking at, you know, scope of control, that the city could help push on the industry 00:41:51.460 --> 00:41:56.440 side that sort of adoption. 00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:59.120 Okay. 00:41:59.120 --> 00:42:04.220 That feels that I have a different answer in my head now than I had before. 00:42:04.220 --> 00:42:08.880 So that also relates to the actions that we modeled for industry. 00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:17.480 First of all, to reduce their overall energy use before they switch to RNG. 00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:22.360 Actually that one, I think I'm going to hold on that question because ways to stimulate 00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:26.440 industry to make a shift to renewable natural gas. 00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:27.560 That's a complex one. 00:42:27.560 --> 00:42:31.120 So I might need to get back to you on that one, if that's all right. 00:42:31.120 --> 00:42:32.120 I will go. 00:42:32.120 --> 00:42:33.600 I'm not going to just let it go. 00:42:33.600 --> 00:42:34.600 Thank you. 00:42:34.600 --> 00:42:35.600 Okay. 00:42:35.600 --> 00:42:36.600 Okay. 00:42:36.600 --> 00:42:39.520 We do have another question. 00:42:39.520 --> 00:42:40.520 Okay. 00:42:40.520 --> 00:42:41.520 Go ahead. 00:42:41.520 --> 00:42:47.200 This was on your, I love the creative, fuel agnostic energy intensity standards. 00:42:47.200 --> 00:42:53.440 We've discussed in the past, I believe when Carol was here, that stipulation by the state 00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:54.440 for our situation. 00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:59.720 And if I'm remembering right, she had said that your firm has worked with other cities 00:42:59.720 --> 00:43:00.720 within Texas. 00:43:00.720 --> 00:43:03.360 Is that correct? 00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:06.680 Probably in Texas, but in other states, I'm sorry that I misremembered that. 00:43:06.680 --> 00:43:12.120 I'm just curious if you had any, if you've seen our situation played out in a way where 00:43:12.120 --> 00:43:16.640 a city has creative approaches to incentivize that type of shift within buildings, since 00:43:16.640 --> 00:43:21.560 we can't mandate the type of energy used within a building. 00:43:21.560 --> 00:43:26.000 If you've seen that play out in cities that it's worked, that we have kind of a model 00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:31.280 to work off of, or is this going to be a little creative on the city side to push for that 00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:35.540 sort of reduction on the buildings? 00:43:35.540 --> 00:43:40.240 I think creativity is going to be really important in a context like yours. 00:43:40.240 --> 00:43:46.820 I myself am from Alberta and our government is similar in Canada and our government is 00:43:46.820 --> 00:43:53.940 similar to Texas, although we don't have a law in place limiting what cities can do with 00:43:53.940 --> 00:43:58.320 regards to types of energy used within buildings. 00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:04.440 So we don't have this specific challenge, but what we did when I worked for the city 00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:09.780 of Edmonton was we worked very closely with the cities around us and the smaller communities 00:44:09.780 --> 00:44:16.200 around us because the argument we heard from builders and developers was that if it was 00:44:16.200 --> 00:44:20.440 more expensive to build right in the city of Edmonton, then people will want to build 00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:23.960 their homes in the bedroom communities around Edmonton. 00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:28.680 So we worked with those communities such that they asked, they wanted to make the same changes 00:44:28.680 --> 00:44:34.560 we were making at the same time, and we approached the provincial government together as a unified 00:44:34.560 --> 00:44:43.620 region and asked or lobbied to have those changes made within our broader area. 00:44:43.620 --> 00:44:47.040 And in that context, we were able to get those changes made. 00:44:47.040 --> 00:44:53.520 So it will take creativity and it depends very much on the local specifics. 00:44:53.520 --> 00:45:03.880 This approach I think it may also work not only because fossil fuels are unable to be 00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:10.440 as efficient as renewable energy, but also because there's a requirement in some standards 00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:16.420 like a passive house standard for a very limited amount of air exchange and fossil fuels require 00:45:16.420 --> 00:45:19.120 higher amounts of air exchange. 00:45:19.120 --> 00:45:23.960 And so that may also be one sense in which you may be able to require something which 00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:30.880 isn't, doesn't actually speak the word fossil fuel, but it does eliminate that that source 00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:36.400 of energy from the game. 00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:44.280 I'm not sure that quite answered your question, but no thank you. 00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:46.200 Any other thoughts here? 00:45:46.200 --> 00:45:49.440 I think we can move on. 00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:50.600 All right. 00:45:50.600 --> 00:45:52.760 Buildings then. 00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:57.840 So the two actions we modeled to reduce building emissions were firstly to retrofit all of 00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:03.600 the buildings in the city gradually over time, making them more energy efficient. 00:46:03.600 --> 00:46:08.240 And the second was to require that all new construction is net zero energy ready beginning 00:46:08.240 --> 00:46:10.800 in 2028. 00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:17.660 Further these two actions eliminate 2.8 megatons of emissions, which is 10.8% of the total 00:46:17.660 --> 00:46:21.920 emissions that we eliminated. 00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:25.920 And then on top of that, once the buildings have been made more energy efficient, we modeled 00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:28.920 two additional significant changes. 00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:36.080 So starting in 2024, new warehouses use waste heat from industry next to them. 00:46:36.080 --> 00:46:43.760 And we modeled the estimated value of about 10% of their energy would be reduced. 00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:47.160 Their need for energy would be reduced by doing this. 00:46:47.160 --> 00:46:54.240 And on top of that, all industry reduces their energy use by 30%, either by improving motive 00:46:54.240 --> 00:47:01.400 apparatus within manufacturing, process improvements, practices like turning off the lights or turning 00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:06.680 off motors that are allowed to run through the night, all of those sorts of things would 00:47:06.680 --> 00:47:10.760 amount to about a 30% reduction. 00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:16.680 Then the second change here is beginning in 2025, we would make that shift over to heat 00:47:16.680 --> 00:47:17.720 pumps. 00:47:17.720 --> 00:47:26.600 So achieving a 25% shift by 2030, 50% by 2035 and 75% by 2040. 00:47:26.600 --> 00:47:31.520 And again, some of these things are still are also being submitted as part of the legal 00:47:31.520 --> 00:47:32.520 evaluation. 00:47:32.520 --> 00:47:37.240 And the heat pump shift, we're also sending through as part of that, just to make sure 00:47:37.240 --> 00:47:40.760 that would be something that would be feasible. 00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:45.760 And those changes together would eliminate 2.2 megatons. 00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:50.960 And that's 8.6 of the total reductions. 00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:57.080 Obviously here we see some actions that are net costs. 00:47:57.080 --> 00:48:02.040 The building's action with the greatest impact for raising the standards is raising the standards 00:48:02.040 --> 00:48:05.920 for new construction to be net zero. 00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:09.480 This makes up 7% of all of the reductions achieved. 00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:12.360 There is an incremental cost upfront. 00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:18.440 Net zero homes are on average 4% more expensive to build than a home built code. 00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:23.680 However, the energy savings vastly offset that initial incremental cost. 00:48:23.680 --> 00:48:28.060 So that one is still a case where you have a net savings. 00:48:28.060 --> 00:48:33.920 And it's the homeowner who is going to experience the value of that saving. 00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:39.000 The changes to industry are also a net savings, which is actually a strong incentive to them 00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:45.640 to make performance and energy efficiency improvements before they switch to a new fuel 00:48:45.640 --> 00:48:47.800 type. 00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:51.600 It's important, though, when you look at the two items, the retrofitting and the switching 00:48:51.600 --> 00:48:58.420 to heat pumps and noticing the fact that those have a higher cost associated with them. 00:48:58.420 --> 00:49:00.360 It's important to remember a couple of things. 00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:04.940 Firstly, when heat pumps are combined with net zero construction, the overall finances 00:49:04.940 --> 00:49:07.040 are still a significant savings. 00:49:07.040 --> 00:49:16.340 So the overall cost is still much less than the benefit that's realized from the savings. 00:49:16.340 --> 00:49:21.840 And secondly, the retrofitting of buildings can't be seen as optional in any net zero 00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:23.480 plan. 00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:30.000 Existing buildings produced 22% of Denton's emissions in 2019, and you aren't going to 00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:37.120 get to any sort of net zero situation unless the leakage of heat and cool air out of those 00:49:37.120 --> 00:49:39.560 buildings is addressed. 00:49:39.560 --> 00:49:43.520 On the bright side, though, there is significant funding available right now through the IRA 00:49:43.520 --> 00:49:49.560 to make those changes, and doing so makes those homes healthier, more comfortable, and 00:49:49.560 --> 00:49:50.840 longer lasting. 00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:56.080 And all of those things are very important, particularly to communities that have less 00:49:56.080 --> 00:50:00.220 money to invest in a brand new home. 00:50:00.220 --> 00:50:03.680 And I will do the next -- oh, no, shall I stop on that financial slide? 00:50:03.680 --> 00:50:08.600 Were there any specific questions there? 00:50:08.600 --> 00:50:10.600 >> I think we can continue. 00:50:10.600 --> 00:50:11.600 >> Okay. 00:50:11.600 --> 00:50:12.600 All right. 00:50:12.600 --> 00:50:17.920 This shows you the drop in emissions from buildings specifically in the low carbon scenario. 00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:23.400 So you can see there's a dramatic drop, and that it crosses all building types right out 00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:26.560 to 2050. 00:50:26.560 --> 00:50:31.080 And from a homeowner's perspective, the green line on this slide shows us how the average 00:50:31.080 --> 00:50:36.600 energy used in a Denton household will fall over time as the retrofits continue and building 00:50:36.600 --> 00:50:38.760 standards rise. 00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:43.960 As shown relative to the BAP, which is the blue line on the top, overall, the decrease 00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:51.400 is 55% in energy use in an average household, which means that the household costs and overall 00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:58.680 house ownership affordability improves. 00:50:58.680 --> 00:51:00.440 Challenges regarding buildings. 00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:03.920 As we've mentioned already, the upfront costs can be high. 00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:07.800 And for lower income people in particular, that can be a barrier. 00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:12.520 There is a risk that rent could be increased after upgrades are made to a building, although 00:51:12.520 --> 00:51:17.800 there may be ways for the city to try and mitigate that risk. 00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:21.960 People need education about the benefits of these changes and about what the impact of 00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:25.880 the logistics of going through a retrofit will be. 00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:28.040 The changes need to be normalized, I suppose. 00:51:28.040 --> 00:51:32.560 They need to get used to seeing these changes happen around them and the fact that people 00:51:32.560 --> 00:51:35.960 benefit from them after they're completed. 00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:42.360 And the construction workforce will need training, they'll need to be brought up to newer standards 00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:47.920 and that will need to happen quickly. 00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:49.800 There are opportunities, though, too. 00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:55.280 So improved health and comfort, particularly for vulnerable people, as well as being able 00:51:55.280 --> 00:52:02.240 to ensure that people are able to cool themselves in their homes when outdoor temperatures rise. 00:52:02.240 --> 00:52:08.200 You also have a large student population and they need opportunities to earn microcredits 00:52:08.200 --> 00:52:11.660 and to complete practical elements of their programs. 00:52:11.660 --> 00:52:16.480 This is an inexpensive workforce that you should draw upon to educate and support the 00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:21.040 population in understanding and becoming part of making these changes. 00:52:21.040 --> 00:52:24.920 You're also preparing those students to become the leaders of tomorrow and making sure that 00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:31.960 they have practical experience in working in a zero emissions community. 00:52:31.960 --> 00:52:36.640 And it's also important to note that 65% of our survey respondents were interested in 00:52:36.640 --> 00:52:41.340 improving the insulation in their homes to prevent the loss of heated and cooled air. 00:52:41.340 --> 00:52:46.460 This was the action that they were most interested in, actually, closely followed by installing 00:52:46.460 --> 00:52:48.760 more efficient windows and doors. 00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:52.800 And these are relatively simple actions to complete and there's funding available for 00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:53.800 them. 00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:57.640 So this represents a tremendous opportunity for Denton to reduce its emissions, make buildings 00:52:57.640 --> 00:53:01.640 more affordable and improve living conditions. 00:53:01.640 --> 00:53:07.760 And we've also seen that energy costs decrease and the building's value increases, which 00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:12.240 increases resale value. 00:53:12.240 --> 00:53:16.760 So approaches to making these changes in buildings. 00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:20.720 In these three categories again, we'll start with require. 00:53:20.720 --> 00:53:25.480 The city can lead, show leadership by requiring that all of its buildings in the future be 00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:29.840 built to net zero standards and they can make that happen as quickly as possible. 00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:35.280 And then shortly thereafter, require that of all new buildings in the community as well. 00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:40.440 We've highlighted that these are also ideas that are being evaluated, going through a 00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:42.760 legal evaluation. 00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:46.960 Incentivizing approaches include promoting pace in Denton, which I believe you're going 00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:48.880 to hear more about later today. 00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:53.240 That's a very effective program and I would encourage you to take advantage of it and 00:53:53.240 --> 00:53:56.640 promote it as much as you possibly can. 00:53:56.640 --> 00:54:01.000 The city can also continue its funding for energy efficiency upgrades. 00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:04.800 And actually, as I mentioned earlier, dollar for dollar retrofitting eliminates more emissions 00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:06.880 than simply installing a solar system. 00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:11.000 So those programs should definitely continue. 00:54:11.000 --> 00:54:17.720 And then in the encourage category, there's education again. 00:54:17.720 --> 00:54:22.920 And focus group participants emphasize that Dentonites really like to get behind small 00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:25.080 businesses, small local businesses. 00:54:25.080 --> 00:54:30.960 So supporting and celebrating small commercial businesses that make changes to become more 00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:37.760 energy efficient and to switch to zero emission systems will really make a difference in encouraging 00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:41.720 others to make the same changes. 00:54:41.720 --> 00:54:43.980 So now that's the building section. 00:54:43.980 --> 00:54:45.440 So I'll stop there again. 00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:48.440 Are there any questions that error or comments? 00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:49.440 Go ahead, Brian. 00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:54.760 Yeah, I was just curious, especially on this issue, if you could kind of vocalize some 00:54:54.760 --> 00:55:00.240 of the equity challenges that we might also be considering, especially on this and incentivation 00:55:00.240 --> 00:55:05.240 and the requirement program as far as housing affordability goes. 00:55:05.240 --> 00:55:11.520 Yes, there are lots of approaches to doing that. 00:55:11.520 --> 00:55:18.560 I think multi-use residential buildings are a great opportunity for cities to step in 00:55:18.560 --> 00:55:24.960 with funding or to coordinate funding with other levels of government and also to assist 00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:30.320 communities in accessing the funding that will be available directly to citizens to 00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:37.480 make these kinds of changes, especially in cases where they may not be very comfortable 00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:41.600 trying to find that information on their own or applying for that kind of funding. 00:55:41.600 --> 00:55:48.200 I think a lot of the IRA funding targets these kinds of opportunities, but it may not be 00:55:48.200 --> 00:55:52.680 easy for the kinds of people who need it most if they're living in really low quality housing 00:55:52.680 --> 00:55:55.860 to necessarily access that funding easily. 00:55:55.860 --> 00:56:01.960 So the city can definitely act as a facilitator to help people access that funding and get 00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:06.920 that work coordinated without an unreasonable amount of impact to someone who's not used 00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:09.960 to handling that kind of organization. 00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:13.660 So that would definitely be one of the things that I would I would encourage you to do. 00:56:13.660 --> 00:56:20.240 There are also other opportunities like using city zoning to require small homes and also 00:56:20.240 --> 00:56:25.760 to require small homes that are close to essential services to require that essential services 00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:32.800 and food are available in all neighborhoods in the city and even things like simplifying 00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:41.600 applications that the city uses or that the city asks people to use to make it as simple 00:56:41.600 --> 00:56:46.360 as possible for people to apply for funding related to this from the city itself. 00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:47.900 Those would those would all be ideas. 00:56:47.900 --> 00:56:50.880 Some of those came from the community and some of those are my own. 00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:52.840 Is that what you were looking for? 00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:53.840 Yes. 00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:54.840 Thank you. 00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:55.840 Okay. 00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:58.840 Go ahead. 00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:04.000 Yeah I had a question of sort of along the same lines and this might be a question for 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:13.000 the city but I wondered if you had had any information regarding how many substandard 00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:20.320 homes there are in Denton now that would could take advantage of the incentivization program 00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:28.560 for making their homes more energy efficient. 00:57:28.560 --> 00:57:30.680 That would be a city question. 00:57:30.680 --> 00:57:34.800 Okay thank you. 00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:39.440 I don't have those numbers right now but that's something I can work with community development 00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:41.680 see if they have anything that they could share with us. 00:57:41.680 --> 00:57:42.680 That'd be great. 00:57:42.680 --> 00:57:46.720 I'm not sure if that exists but we can ask. 00:57:46.720 --> 00:57:47.720 Thanks. 00:57:47.720 --> 00:57:53.160 I have a question too in in regards to kind of affordability. 00:57:53.160 --> 00:57:59.520 So in other cities that you've worked on have you come across builders or anyone in new 00:57:59.520 --> 00:58:07.840 construction saying that those requirements are too restrictive to keep the project affordable 00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:14.040 and if so like how I mean I guess is incentivizing or zoning is that is that the only way is 00:58:14.040 --> 00:58:21.000 that the way we deal with that or do they eventually come around. 00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:22.840 I have absolutely run into that. 00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:27.400 That's a very common problem that developers and builders say it's too expensive to build 00:58:27.400 --> 00:58:32.720 to these standards and I would say you need to use every all of the tools you just mentioned 00:58:32.720 --> 00:58:34.840 there. 00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:39.960 Education is really important because frankly some builders just aren't familiar with standards 00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:48.200 with standards this high and with the technologies that are used and with how affordable and 00:58:48.200 --> 00:58:54.080 how simple they are to use how much progress has been made in building to a net zero standard. 00:58:54.080 --> 00:59:00.200 It's as I mentioned I come from a very northerly climate and I there are net zero homes that 00:59:00.200 --> 00:59:08.080 I have been in that that are perfectly warm in a minus 40 degrees day and people think 00:59:08.080 --> 00:59:12.480 that is impossible and it really the building industry has come far enough that those things 00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:17.280 can be done and the incremental cost is literally only four percent now. 00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:19.920 So I think education is a big part of it. 00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:26.200 I think getting those people involved in understanding why this is being done is also important. 00:59:26.200 --> 00:59:32.720 So really kind of taking the bull by the horns and working with the building industry to 00:59:32.720 --> 00:59:37.840 have them understand why this work is being done also is among the builder among the builders 00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:43.220 and having them work with their colleagues to help them understand is very effective. 00:59:43.220 --> 00:59:48.280 But ultimately you will probably always have some people or some entities that push back 00:59:48.280 --> 00:59:53.320 and that's why we often recommend that if at all possible you just you make it a rule 00:59:53.320 --> 00:59:54.320 ultimately. 00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:59.880 You know you put in place a rule that they have to follow but certainly not without trying 00:59:59.880 --> 01:00:02.680 to bring them on board as much as you can. 01:00:02.680 --> 01:00:06.520 Okay thank you. 01:00:06.520 --> 01:00:12.600 I think we're good thank you. 01:00:12.600 --> 01:00:19.840 All right transportation our first transportation actions included changes to mode share. 01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:26.680 So with the number of people working from home rising to 8 percent by 2030 and the number 01:00:26.680 --> 01:00:32.040 of trips being biked or walked rising from less than 8 percent to 12 percent by 2030 01:00:32.040 --> 01:00:38.480 and then to 20 percent by 2050 and simultaneously the number of trips taken in single occupant 01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:45.760 vehicles would be falling from 86 percent which is what it is now to 72 percent. 01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:52.400 Then we also included establishing three areas of the city which would be car free so they 01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:58.960 would become areas where only pedestrians and bikes as well as emergency vehicles would 01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:01.960 be admitted. 01:01:01.960 --> 01:01:06.720 Then we also modeled a reduction of the city fleet so a reduction in the number of vehicles 01:01:06.720 --> 01:01:11.680 and also a conversion of its fleet to zero emissions vehicles over time 60 percent of 01:01:11.680 --> 01:01:17.280 them being zero emissions by 2030 and then 100 percent by 2050. 01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:21.720 And these three action or yes these actions together eliminated just under half a million 01:01:21.720 --> 01:01:27.040 tons of emissions tons spelt the Canadian way there sorry about that. 01:01:27.040 --> 01:01:33.960 And that worked out to about two percent of total emissions eliminated. 01:01:33.960 --> 01:01:37.720 And then we also looked at the vehicles themselves. 01:01:37.720 --> 01:01:43.520 So for those trips that still need to be taken in vehicles we needed to decarbonize the vehicles. 01:01:43.520 --> 01:01:48.560 So on the same schedule as the Denton fleet we modeled 60 percent of new vehicles that 01:01:48.560 --> 01:01:53.920 are registered in Denton being zero emissions by 2030 and that would rise to 100 percent 01:01:53.920 --> 01:01:55.720 by 2050. 01:01:55.720 --> 01:02:02.480 We do still have vehicles in the fleet in 2050 that are leftovers so we didn't take 01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:08.440 away all of the existing ICE vehicles or retire them and that would be another option if you 01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:12.760 have the authority to do that but that is not included here. 01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:17.040 And then in terms of shared transportation we modeled GoZone vehicles becoming fully 01:02:17.040 --> 01:02:24.520 electric by 2025, transit by 2030 and the train by 2035. 01:02:24.520 --> 01:02:31.600 And all of these actions together eliminated a huge amount of emissions so 14.9 megatons 01:02:31.600 --> 01:02:39.500 which is 57.5 percent of the total emissions that we eliminated. 01:02:39.500 --> 01:02:45.520 All of the actions all of the transportation actions are net savers of money. 01:02:45.520 --> 01:02:50.760 Many of them also require relatively small investments and have funding available right 01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:54.520 now from the IRA or very soon I should say. 01:02:54.520 --> 01:02:57.920 So if we look at these I'm just going to pull out some of the highlights. 01:02:57.920 --> 01:03:03.600 Creating car free zones is an excellent example of a relatively low cost action that creates 01:03:03.600 --> 01:03:05.280 tremendous savings. 01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:11.800 So the costs are generally limited to staff time, education and signage and barriers. 01:03:11.800 --> 01:03:18.160 And yet it creates spaces that people enjoy it can generally result in more money being 01:03:18.160 --> 01:03:24.060 spent at the businesses within those areas than is the case when there is vehicle access. 01:03:24.060 --> 01:03:31.020 And it definitely provides opportunities for excellent active transportation infrastructure 01:03:31.020 --> 01:03:36.840 to be built within those areas and then also to expand out into a broader network of active 01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:39.040 transportation. 01:03:39.040 --> 01:03:43.700 Decarbonizing and downsizing the city fleet is something I always strongly encourage cities 01:03:43.700 --> 01:03:47.800 to do and to finish as fast as they can. 01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:53.900 The savings in maintenance and fuel are tremendous and so the upfront investment usually pays 01:03:53.900 --> 01:03:58.360 for itself within I would say three to four years. 01:03:58.360 --> 01:04:01.280 And that includes all of the charging infrastructure as well. 01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:04.320 And from that point on the vehicle is virtually free. 01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:09.360 So the operational savings that are freed up from not having to fuel vehicles and only 01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:13.560 having to service them about what is it? 01:04:13.560 --> 01:04:17.640 I don't remember what the exact number is now but much less frequently. 01:04:17.640 --> 01:04:22.600 Those operational savings can be freed up for uses elsewhere in the city making better 01:04:22.600 --> 01:04:28.600 use of citizens' tax dollars as well. 01:04:28.600 --> 01:04:32.880 Decarbonizing vehicles is the single most powerful action that we modeled. 01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:36.580 It made up 49% of the total emission reductions. 01:04:36.580 --> 01:04:41.000 And decarbonizing commercial vehicles, transit and the train also make significant impacts 01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:43.160 on Denton's emissions. 01:04:43.160 --> 01:04:50.200 And those two are ultimately net savings. 01:04:50.200 --> 01:04:55.920 So why is transportation still a roadblock to reaching your 2030 target? 01:04:55.920 --> 01:04:59.040 Part of the answer lies in this graph. 01:04:59.040 --> 01:05:05.280 The number of vehicles that you have in 2019 total is shown by the left bar. 01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:09.240 And the number of vehicles you have in the low carbon scenario in 2050 is shown by the 01:05:09.240 --> 01:05:11.140 right bar. 01:05:11.140 --> 01:05:16.040 So the total number of vehicles still increases by 36%. 01:05:16.040 --> 01:05:21.280 The number of light trucks increases by 185%. 01:05:21.280 --> 01:05:31.280 And the total number of vehicles goes from 60,000, just under 60,000 to 116,000 in 2050. 01:05:31.280 --> 01:05:36.520 So I think it's a question of car culture and also of the infrastructure that's already 01:05:36.520 --> 01:05:40.960 in place, the distances that have to be traveled and so on. 01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:46.520 And the question becomes, how do we make an impact on that such that people feel that 01:05:46.520 --> 01:05:52.040 it's actually an easier alternative to take a different route or a different mode of transport 01:05:52.040 --> 01:05:56.280 to get from one place to another? 01:05:56.280 --> 01:06:00.920 The message here, another message here being that even though we've accelerated the uptake 01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:08.680 of EVs, you still have simply so many vehicles within Denton that the remaining ICE vehicles 01:06:08.680 --> 01:06:15.160 are producing a tremendous amount of emissions. 01:06:15.160 --> 01:06:20.920 So if we're going to hit the 2030 target, we really need to shift to more active transportation. 01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:25.200 And if you can't do that outside of the city and all of your connecting networks to Dallas 01:06:25.200 --> 01:06:31.920 and so on, it will be important to focus those efforts within the community as much as possible 01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:41.240 to do what you can with the trips that occur within the boundaries of the city. 01:06:41.240 --> 01:06:46.400 Challenges for transportation, achieving the 2030 goal needs a big shift away from vehicles 01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:48.160 overall. 01:06:48.160 --> 01:06:53.840 And I just want to make a few general points here about how to shift away from vehicles. 01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:59.400 Denton borders are an extremely large city and much of your transportation network is 01:06:59.400 --> 01:07:04.100 beyond your control, so even your transit you have very little control over. 01:07:04.100 --> 01:07:08.720 And in that context, increasing the size of freeways, which I understand is something 01:07:08.720 --> 01:07:14.840 that's underway for one of your freeways, will make it more difficult even for you to 01:07:14.840 --> 01:07:18.680 work with this transportation challenge that you have. 01:07:18.680 --> 01:07:24.080 Freeways, widening them or expanding them always only results in them filling up again 01:07:24.080 --> 01:07:31.300 almost immediately with more vehicles, making more trips and ultimately not reducing congestion. 01:07:31.300 --> 01:07:36.840 People respond behaviorally to the information that a freeway is being expanded by saying, 01:07:36.840 --> 01:07:42.480 oh good, they've made more space, let's take the car and the freeway fills up again. 01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:48.120 So this is a lesson that's been learned over and over again, but the freeway expansion 01:07:48.120 --> 01:07:53.400 isn't something that's within Denton's control. 01:07:53.400 --> 01:07:58.160 So that isn't something that is going to be easy for you to resolve, but it's something 01:07:58.160 --> 01:08:02.980 that is valuable to be aware of as you're communicating your own feelings about these 01:08:02.980 --> 01:08:07.780 things to the people who are in control of those decisions. 01:08:07.780 --> 01:08:12.920 Other challenges include the capital cost of EVs, that's falling and it's forecasted 01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:20.400 by about 2031, they will be on par with an ICE vehicle, so it will get better. 01:08:20.400 --> 01:08:25.680 Meaning the lack of control over transit training goes on and the car culture of North America 01:08:25.680 --> 01:08:30.240 in general makes it a challenge. 01:08:30.240 --> 01:08:37.040 Opportunities, there is strong community support and desire for expanded active transportation. 01:08:37.040 --> 01:08:41.800 The fact that your community is made up of a large number of students also means you've 01:08:41.800 --> 01:08:46.440 lots of people who haven't owned a vehicle or haven't owned one for very long and changing 01:08:46.440 --> 01:08:50.480 those people's habits is much easier than changing the transportation patterns of people 01:08:50.480 --> 01:08:53.800 who've driven for decades. 01:08:53.800 --> 01:09:00.720 Active transportation is inexpensive, it improves equity, it will also give you opportunities 01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:06.360 to encourage local businesses like Bunch Bikes and also Peterbilt. 01:09:06.360 --> 01:09:12.480 So from one end to the other, from cargo bikes to large trucks, you have local businesses 01:09:12.480 --> 01:09:15.960 who can benefit and support this change. 01:09:15.960 --> 01:09:20.600 Changing city vehicles, electric vehicles, as they're changed is a very powerful way 01:09:20.600 --> 01:09:28.040 to normalize the idea that electric vehicles are reliable and are being used even by the 01:09:28.040 --> 01:09:30.560 government. 01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:35.360 Significant IRA funding is available, especially for chargers, I think. 01:09:35.360 --> 01:09:39.440 So that's an opportunity to mitigate the costs. 01:09:39.440 --> 01:09:45.240 And there are a variety of approaches, especially if you want to decrease vehicle trips in the 01:09:45.240 --> 01:09:48.400 near term, as quickly as you can. 01:09:48.400 --> 01:09:54.560 One of the best ways of doing that is by introducing restrictions on parking or costs for parking. 01:09:54.560 --> 01:09:58.960 And we'll talk about that in the next slide here. 01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:06.980 So approaches, things that the city can require, having groceries and essential services within 01:10:06.980 --> 01:10:11.880 walking and biking distance in all neighborhoods and making that a requirement in terms of 01:10:11.880 --> 01:10:15.500 how new neighborhoods are designed. 01:10:15.500 --> 01:10:21.400 Having parking for bikes that is proportional to the mode share that you want bikes to occupy. 01:10:21.400 --> 01:10:27.360 So if you want 20% of trips in the city to be taken on bike, you need to provide parking 01:10:27.360 --> 01:10:32.240 for that many bikes at all of the locations that they're going to be going to. 01:10:32.240 --> 01:10:37.280 And that should be taken out of the parking that's currently being given to vehicles. 01:10:37.280 --> 01:10:43.560 That helps make it easier to take a bike than to take a car. 01:10:43.560 --> 01:10:50.140 Eliminating parking minimums and then a suggestion that has been extremely effective in many 01:10:50.140 --> 01:10:55.240 places is to charge for all of your public parking. 01:10:55.240 --> 01:11:01.320 Implement a charge for all of it and increase the cost of it for ICE vehicles. 01:11:01.320 --> 01:11:07.560 Make it higher initially and over time increase that cost for ICE vehicles. 01:11:07.560 --> 01:11:16.720 Although there is always opposition to that, there's also always a strong reaction by purchasing 01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:21.060 an electric vehicle or choosing an alternative mode of transportation. 01:11:21.060 --> 01:11:25.520 And it's proven very effective in changing the number, lowering the number of vehicles 01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:27.760 in a city. 01:11:27.760 --> 01:11:32.580 Incentivized, you can support location efficient mortgages. 01:11:32.580 --> 01:11:34.800 This might be a matter of advocating for them. 01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:40.400 So that would be supporting cases in which someone is their home is going to be located 01:11:40.400 --> 01:11:48.680 close enough to essential services that the bank will allow them to take on a higher mortgage 01:11:48.680 --> 01:11:53.700 as a proportion of their earnings because they know that less money from their earnings 01:11:53.700 --> 01:11:56.640 is going to be needed for transportation. 01:11:56.640 --> 01:12:02.020 So that's something that was raised in our focus groups as an option. 01:12:02.020 --> 01:12:05.660 I don't know much about them, but I thought I would share it with you. 01:12:05.660 --> 01:12:11.060 And then the encouragement angle on this is to involve your communities in designing active 01:12:11.060 --> 01:12:13.860 transportation and alternative uses for parking. 01:12:13.860 --> 01:12:19.220 So as you shift how you use the space in your city, let the communities be part of that. 01:12:19.220 --> 01:12:27.560 And one community that has discovered all sorts of creativity by doing this is San Francisco. 01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:31.600 They oh, I have to double check that might be San Diego. 01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:37.040 One of the two has been gotten communities very involved in deciding how in within their 01:12:37.040 --> 01:12:42.260 community that new space will be used as they take away parking. 01:12:42.260 --> 01:12:48.540 And they've found that it makes the transition away from having that parking much easier. 01:12:48.540 --> 01:12:50.820 So those are just some ideas. 01:12:50.820 --> 01:12:55.420 And I'm curious as to whether you have thoughts at this point then. 01:12:55.420 --> 01:12:59.700 We do have some questions, Brian. 01:12:59.700 --> 01:13:05.860 Yeah, so I heard you speak for the last like 20 minutes about the no, no, no, no, this 01:13:05.860 --> 01:13:07.260 was a positive point. 01:13:07.260 --> 01:13:11.920 Thank you for speaking for the last 20 minutes on the effectiveness of active transit and 01:13:11.920 --> 01:13:15.220 these other strategies for the emissions reductions targets we're going for. 01:13:15.220 --> 01:13:19.980 I'm just curious so far as a selling point for especially on the mode shift, how the 01:13:19.980 --> 01:13:28.100 model returned a 1% emissions reduction for the mode shift category, but a 49% reduction 01:13:28.100 --> 01:13:33.140 on the I believe it was the conversion over to EVs. 01:13:33.140 --> 01:13:38.980 And I know again, you spent a lot of time talking about a mode shift response, but it's 01:13:38.980 --> 01:13:44.100 a selling point for this plan I think is really the emissions reduction and the targets we're 01:13:44.100 --> 01:13:45.100 trying to hit. 01:13:45.100 --> 01:13:49.060 But if you could go into details to why that was what the model returned when, you know, 01:13:49.060 --> 01:13:53.140 we were talking over and over about strategies for incentivizing walking, biking and other 01:13:53.140 --> 01:13:54.780 active transit forms. 01:13:54.780 --> 01:13:56.260 Yeah, yeah. 01:13:56.260 --> 01:14:01.180 So the reality of trips that are taken using active transportation is that they generally 01:14:01.180 --> 01:14:09.020 walking trips are generally taken between one and two or oh, I have to use miles. 01:14:09.020 --> 01:14:13.920 Two miles would be the maximum that would be walked in general that you could expect 01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:16.020 people to walk. 01:14:16.020 --> 01:14:21.020 And from a cycling perspective, it would be more like about seven miles would be the maximum 01:14:21.020 --> 01:14:22.900 that you would expect. 01:14:22.900 --> 01:14:28.300 So trips, although we transitioned a proportion of the total number of trips, it will have 01:14:28.300 --> 01:14:32.420 been the short trips that are transitioned to active transportation. 01:14:32.420 --> 01:14:35.460 The long trips are still relying on vehicles. 01:14:35.460 --> 01:14:43.300 And for that reason, there's a disproportionate disproportionately high amount of emissions 01:14:43.300 --> 01:14:45.460 in those remaining vehicle trips. 01:14:45.460 --> 01:14:50.820 So we can move a lot of people to short walking trips, and it doesn't eliminate as much emissions 01:14:50.820 --> 01:14:57.020 as as the as the vehicles create if you're if you're understanding what I'm saying. 01:14:57.020 --> 01:14:58.540 So it's unfortunate. 01:14:58.540 --> 01:15:04.200 And the way that I tried to counteract it is by really emphasizing the other benefits 01:15:04.200 --> 01:15:05.760 of active transportation. 01:15:05.760 --> 01:15:15.340 So we understand I've read studies from Australia about investments in active transportation 01:15:15.340 --> 01:15:22.060 that have shown for every dollar invested in infrastructure, active transportation infrastructure, 01:15:22.060 --> 01:15:29.020 you'll see at least six dollars in savings in the health care associated with medical 01:15:29.020 --> 01:15:32.780 conditions that are directly related to inactivity. 01:15:32.780 --> 01:15:37.240 So if we could start incorporating some of those benefits, I think the it would become 01:15:37.240 --> 01:15:39.460 an even more compelling picture. 01:15:39.460 --> 01:15:48.100 I think the the enjoyability of living in a city that is not congested and the air quality 01:15:48.100 --> 01:15:55.540 that is improved in those kinds of situations are all things that you should draw upon and 01:15:55.540 --> 01:16:02.300 do research on and integrate into your your own arguments to compel people to help them 01:16:02.300 --> 01:16:06.220 feel like this is a really positive thing. 01:16:06.220 --> 01:16:12.940 Mental health, there are all kinds of angles you can take on this that make it so beneficial. 01:16:12.940 --> 01:16:15.620 And there are also interesting incentive programs. 01:16:15.620 --> 01:16:19.980 You can look within the states, there are all kinds of programs as well, paying people 01:16:19.980 --> 01:16:26.340 to bike to work rather than take their vehicles or giving them free ice cream and beer in 01:16:26.340 --> 01:16:31.140 Italy was one I heard of that I liked, but there there are all kinds of ideas that can 01:16:31.140 --> 01:16:37.620 just help people get over the reluctance initially and make the most of it. 01:16:37.620 --> 01:16:43.580 But the emissions picture is still definitely overwhelmed just by the distance that a vehicle 01:16:43.580 --> 01:16:44.940 will travel. 01:16:44.940 --> 01:16:46.940 Thank you for getting a granular there. 01:16:46.940 --> 01:16:51.460 Yeah, I hope maybe in the land use section, we might see a little more on the incentivizing 01:16:51.460 --> 01:16:52.460 mode shift. 01:16:52.460 --> 01:16:53.820 But thank you again. 01:16:53.820 --> 01:16:54.820 Yeah. 01:16:54.820 --> 01:17:04.300 I do have one question just for clarification on page 30. 01:17:04.300 --> 01:17:08.980 And you did mention this a little bit, the highways and what we have control over what 01:17:08.980 --> 01:17:14.340 we don't is 35 included in any of this data. 01:17:14.340 --> 01:17:20.220 And when you talk about heavy trucks, is that 18 wheelers that are traveling on these highways 01:17:20.220 --> 01:17:26.820 and freeways through our city or is this just small local streets? 01:17:26.820 --> 01:17:33.280 So transportation through the city on the highways is included in this modeling, definitely. 01:17:33.280 --> 01:17:38.700 And freight vehicles, I could get you the exact classes that that refers to, I don't 01:17:38.700 --> 01:17:41.060 know them offhand. 01:17:41.060 --> 01:17:45.940 But it would be any vehicle that's being used for transportation of goods rather than passengers. 01:17:45.940 --> 01:17:46.940 Okay. 01:17:46.940 --> 01:17:47.940 All right. 01:17:47.940 --> 01:17:53.740 Is there another one? 01:17:53.740 --> 01:17:56.140 Yeah, we have one more. 01:17:56.140 --> 01:18:03.660 I don't see any, unless my eyes are deceiving me, I don't see any colors for light trucks 01:18:03.660 --> 01:18:04.980 or in the graphs. 01:18:04.980 --> 01:18:09.780 I see the heavy trucks, but I assume light trucks or pickup trucks and vans, things like 01:18:09.780 --> 01:18:10.780 that? 01:18:10.780 --> 01:18:11.780 Yes. 01:18:11.780 --> 01:18:14.440 And actually, so cars is on the bottom. 01:18:14.440 --> 01:18:15.440 That's the pale blue. 01:18:15.440 --> 01:18:17.200 I should use better colors. 01:18:17.200 --> 01:18:19.100 Light trucks is the bar above that. 01:18:19.100 --> 01:18:20.820 It's a darker blue. 01:18:20.820 --> 01:18:24.260 And heavy trucks is invisible because it's a very small number. 01:18:24.260 --> 01:18:25.260 Oh, okay. 01:18:25.260 --> 01:18:26.260 I didn't see that. 01:18:26.260 --> 01:18:27.260 You're a good optometrist. 01:18:27.260 --> 01:18:28.260 Yeah. 01:18:28.260 --> 01:18:29.260 But not a good color changer. 01:18:29.260 --> 01:18:30.260 I still can't see the difference. 01:18:30.260 --> 01:18:31.260 Yeah, I don't see it either, really. 01:18:31.260 --> 01:18:34.260 It's not translating very well on the screen. 01:18:34.260 --> 01:18:35.260 Okay. 01:18:35.260 --> 01:18:36.260 I will change those colors in the future. 01:18:36.260 --> 01:18:37.260 Okay. 01:18:37.260 --> 01:18:38.260 Thank you. 01:18:38.260 --> 01:18:39.260 Yeah. 01:18:39.260 --> 01:18:40.260 Thank you. 01:18:40.260 --> 01:18:48.660 Any other questions on this section? 01:18:48.660 --> 01:18:55.040 I think we're ready to continue. 01:18:55.040 --> 01:18:57.740 And should I be speeding up to finish this quickly? 01:18:57.740 --> 01:18:59.820 I think I've taken more than my time, probably. 01:18:59.820 --> 01:19:02.220 Yeah, we could go ahead and finish. 01:19:02.220 --> 01:19:06.700 And then if we have any more questions at the end, we could do that. 01:19:06.700 --> 01:19:07.700 Okay. 01:19:07.700 --> 01:19:08.700 All right. 01:19:08.700 --> 01:19:11.660 I will go back to where I was. 01:19:11.660 --> 01:19:15.740 So water, solid waste and wastewater is the last category. 01:19:15.740 --> 01:19:20.420 And actually, I'm going to stop just because you mentioned you wanted to see the land use 01:19:20.420 --> 01:19:23.220 section, someone who just asked one of the questions. 01:19:23.220 --> 01:19:28.100 Land use was built into or was included within our description of the buildings. 01:19:28.100 --> 01:19:33.180 So if you would like more detail on how the land use actions, actually what their emissions 01:19:33.180 --> 01:19:36.840 impacts were, I could share that with you separately and I'll get that information to 01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:38.720 Catherine so that it can be shared. 01:19:38.720 --> 01:19:39.940 I think we have a comment. 01:19:39.940 --> 01:19:40.940 Was that request? 01:19:40.940 --> 01:19:41.940 Sorry? 01:19:41.940 --> 01:19:46.180 Yes, I can make a request for that later. 01:19:46.180 --> 01:19:47.180 Thank you. 01:19:47.180 --> 01:19:48.180 Okay. 01:19:48.180 --> 01:19:49.180 Okay. 01:19:49.180 --> 01:19:57.500 So the actions we modeled for you for water and waste included decreasing waste per capita 01:19:57.500 --> 01:20:06.820 by 40% by 2040, and increasing waste diversion to 50% by 2030, and then also reducing potable 01:20:06.820 --> 01:20:09.760 water, first of all, lost due to leaks. 01:20:09.760 --> 01:20:13.700 And then secondly, the total amount used per capita. 01:20:13.700 --> 01:20:20.380 And those four actions together gave you about a megaton of emission reductions, which was 01:20:20.380 --> 01:20:24.340 about 4% of the total. 01:20:24.340 --> 01:20:30.300 The cost there, both of these experienced savings, so decreasing waste, the investment 01:20:30.300 --> 01:20:35.420 was about a half a million and the return is about 2.2 million. 01:20:35.420 --> 01:20:39.460 And decreasing water consumption, again, the investment is about half a million and the 01:20:39.460 --> 01:20:42.500 return is about 2.6 million. 01:20:42.500 --> 01:20:49.020 And you can see that the decreasing waste has a much larger emissions impact than decreasing 01:20:49.020 --> 01:20:50.700 water consumption. 01:20:50.700 --> 01:20:55.980 The argument for decreasing water consumption as part of this is probably stronger in the 01:20:55.980 --> 01:21:02.300 context of preparing for future cases, for future circumstances in which water becomes 01:21:02.300 --> 01:21:05.420 increasingly scarce and more desirable. 01:21:05.420 --> 01:21:09.220 And you're going to want to be in a position where you can meet all your needs with the 01:21:09.220 --> 01:21:16.400 water supply that you have, even as that water supply decreases. 01:21:16.400 --> 01:21:24.160 So approaches to this, we suggested requiring recycling from all commercial buildings, increasing 01:21:24.160 --> 01:21:29.500 the costs over time for waste collection as a way of encouraging people to divert rather 01:21:29.500 --> 01:21:34.100 than just throw their waste away. 01:21:34.100 --> 01:21:38.500 Incentivization programs that involve taking what we used to think of as waste and turning 01:21:38.500 --> 01:21:40.580 it into something that's still useful. 01:21:40.580 --> 01:21:45.020 And an example of this that I've seen in a few places is creating programs that fix up 01:21:45.020 --> 01:21:49.740 or places that fix up old bikes and they teach people how to take care of them. 01:21:49.740 --> 01:21:53.340 And then they give them away or they sell them inexpensively to those who don't have 01:21:53.340 --> 01:21:59.100 other modes of transportation and who can't afford to buy a new bike. 01:21:59.100 --> 01:22:04.140 And encouraging, I would say, programs that allow people to share things like tools and 01:22:04.140 --> 01:22:10.740 lawnmowers and any sort of item that you have to purchase that's made abroad and then has 01:22:10.740 --> 01:22:14.000 to be shipped to you, but you only use it occasionally. 01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:18.060 As much as those things can be shared is a good thing. 01:22:18.060 --> 01:22:25.020 It reduces us throwing away these items when we're done with them, but it also reduces 01:22:25.020 --> 01:22:29.300 what we call consumption-based emissions, which are emissions that are produced when 01:22:29.300 --> 01:22:34.460 you order something from far away and it has to be made abroad or made a ways away and 01:22:34.460 --> 01:22:36.320 then transported to you. 01:22:36.320 --> 01:22:45.020 So it's cutting down on all of that sort of supply chain waste as well. 01:22:45.020 --> 01:22:46.900 And that was all that I had to share with you. 01:22:46.900 --> 01:22:57.380 Okay, thank you, we do have a question. 01:22:57.380 --> 01:23:05.460 Just a question about decreasing water consumption. 01:23:05.460 --> 01:23:17.220 Would perhaps in terms of new developments requiring or incentivizing xeriscaping and 01:23:17.220 --> 01:23:23.700 also permeable sidewalks and driveways, would those be viable options as well? 01:23:23.700 --> 01:23:33.020 Yes, those are both excellent ideas and both of those also increase your resilience to 01:23:33.020 --> 01:23:37.460 more significant storm events, which are also expected in the future, so it improves your 01:23:37.460 --> 01:23:42.380 drainage and produces the likelihood of flooding and pooling in neighborhoods. 01:23:42.380 --> 01:23:47.420 So yeah, it's positive in all ways, so yes, those are good ideas. 01:23:47.420 --> 01:23:48.420 Thank you. 01:23:48.420 --> 01:23:49.420 Yeah. 01:23:49.420 --> 01:23:50.420 Bray, go ahead. 01:23:50.420 --> 01:23:55.740 For Catherine, are we able to get a copy of this presentation or is it going to be posted 01:23:55.740 --> 01:23:56.740 on the website? 01:23:56.740 --> 01:23:57.740 Okay. 01:23:57.740 --> 01:23:58.740 Thank you. 01:23:58.740 --> 01:23:59.740 Yeah, great. 01:23:59.740 --> 01:24:03.380 Just one question, just a clarification, kind of going way back. 01:24:03.380 --> 01:24:09.980 When we were talking about local solar, was battery storage included in the investment 01:24:09.980 --> 01:24:10.980 cost? 01:24:10.980 --> 01:24:13.120 Yes, yeah, it was. 01:24:13.120 --> 01:24:15.140 Okay, thank you. 01:24:15.140 --> 01:24:18.980 I think -- is everybody good? 01:24:18.980 --> 01:24:19.980 Okay. 01:24:19.980 --> 01:24:22.820 All right, it looks like we're done. 01:24:22.820 --> 01:24:23.820 Thank you so much. 01:24:23.820 --> 01:24:24.820 Thank you. 01:24:24.820 --> 01:24:28.580 I know that was a lot of information to take all at once, so thanks for the questions and 01:24:28.580 --> 01:24:29.580 your attention. 01:24:29.580 --> 01:24:30.580 Thank you for your presentation. 01:24:30.580 --> 01:24:31.580 Thank you for your time. 01:24:31.580 --> 01:24:32.580 Thank you. 01:24:32.580 --> 01:24:33.580 Okay. 01:24:33.580 --> 01:24:34.580 Bye-bye. 01:24:34.580 --> 01:24:35.580 Bye. 01:24:35.580 --> 01:24:40.060 Just should leave that on. 01:24:40.060 --> 01:24:48.140 We will continue and move along to receive a report and hold a discussion regarding 01:24:48.140 --> 01:24:50.540 the City of Denton's tree canopy goals. 01:24:50.540 --> 01:24:53.380 I think is that Haywood? 01:24:53.380 --> 01:24:54.380 Welcome. 01:24:54.380 --> 01:25:02.100 Thank you, and thanks for the opportunity to come here today and present and talk a little 01:25:02.100 --> 01:25:05.780 bit about Denton's tree canopy goals. 01:25:05.780 --> 01:25:07.860 Let me get set here. 01:25:07.860 --> 01:25:18.660 This is my first time doing a Zoom up here. 01:25:18.660 --> 01:25:25.940 Okay, so, again, my name is Haywood Morgan. 01:25:25.940 --> 01:25:30.100 I'm the urban forester for the City of Denton, and today we're going to talk a little bit 01:25:30.100 --> 01:25:32.780 about Denton's tree canopy goals. 01:25:32.780 --> 01:25:36.020 Is there a way to make that presentation bigger? 01:25:36.020 --> 01:25:39.380 Well, you know what, yep, you're right. 01:25:39.380 --> 01:25:40.380 There. 01:25:40.380 --> 01:25:41.380 Thank you. 01:25:41.380 --> 01:25:42.380 You're welcome. 01:25:42.380 --> 01:25:53.100 Okay, so, as we get started here, we're going to talk first about what is an urban forest. 01:25:53.100 --> 01:25:57.900 During my time here in Denton, I've heard different thoughts on what an urban forest 01:25:57.900 --> 01:26:02.740 is, so I thought I'd start off with that, since the tree canopy is what makes up the 01:26:02.740 --> 01:26:03.740 urban forest. 01:26:03.740 --> 01:26:08.020 So, I have four pictures here, and I asked the question, "Which is an urban forest?" 01:26:08.020 --> 01:26:13.580 You know, I've heard some thoughts that, you know, it's this group of trees here, it's 01:26:13.580 --> 01:26:20.060 this wooded area here, and in actuality, all these trees represent the urban forest. 01:26:20.060 --> 01:26:27.780 It is the collection of trees within the entire city limits of a city. 01:26:27.780 --> 01:26:36.340 So, when we talk about tree canopy coverage, we're talking about the layer of branches, 01:26:36.340 --> 01:26:42.580 trees, stems from trees that cover the ground, so basically everything that produces a shadow 01:26:42.580 --> 01:26:47.980 on the ground is what we talk about when we talk about tree canopy coverage. 01:26:47.980 --> 01:26:53.220 So, on the image I have on the screen here, everything that's outlined in the green line 01:26:53.220 --> 01:26:59.580 here is the tree canopy coverage of this particular area. 01:26:59.580 --> 01:27:06.660 So, you may be asking yourself, "What is Denton's current urban tree canopy?" 01:27:06.660 --> 01:27:13.260 So, a couple years ago, we subscribed to a software that allows us to consistently monitor 01:27:13.260 --> 01:27:19.860 our tree cover, and within the city limits, Denton's tree canopy is 24%. 01:27:19.860 --> 01:27:24.300 When you look at public properties, that number is 29%. 01:27:24.300 --> 01:27:34.940 On private properties, it's 23%, within the ETJ1, it's 28%, and within the ETJ2, it's 01:27:34.940 --> 01:27:36.460 19%. 01:27:36.460 --> 01:27:41.340 So, this light of color here, well, you can kind of make out what's the city of Denton's 01:27:41.340 --> 01:27:44.340 city limits there. 01:27:44.340 --> 01:27:49.420 So, what's Denton's tree canopy goals? 01:27:49.420 --> 01:27:56.300 So, these numbers are in our urban forest master plan that was adopted by council back 01:27:56.300 --> 01:28:03.080 in 2020, and so the numbers here basically corresponded to what was in the development 01:28:03.080 --> 01:28:10.100 code at that time, and our canopy goals were set and based on if the city was built out 01:28:10.100 --> 01:28:16.220 as it was zoned at the time, could we reach that canopy goal? 01:28:16.220 --> 01:28:24.740 So, at that time, the canopy goal was set to reach 40% over the next 20 years. 01:28:24.740 --> 01:28:34.860 Now, at the time when we did our master plan, our canopy was at 28%, right, at 29%, so we're 01:28:34.860 --> 01:28:42.620 trying to figure out what's the reasonable goal to set to reach over the time span of 01:28:42.620 --> 01:28:43.620 the master plan. 01:28:43.620 --> 01:28:49.360 At that time, we were thinking 40% was a reasonable number to increase. 01:28:49.360 --> 01:28:55.140 On the image we have here, the parcels where you see the different shades of green are 01:28:55.140 --> 01:29:01.620 the ones that currently have 40% or more tree canopy. 01:29:01.620 --> 01:29:06.340 So, how do we increase tree canopy? 01:29:06.340 --> 01:29:12.860 So, one of the biggest things we can do to increase tree canopy is preserve trees. 01:29:12.860 --> 01:29:20.960 The current development code requires 20% to 30% is great when we can preserve more. 01:29:20.960 --> 01:29:26.380 Another method that the city has is we purchase new property for parks, and we always try 01:29:26.380 --> 01:29:33.140 to target parcels that have higher tree canopy covers existing on that site, and that way 01:29:33.140 --> 01:29:39.220 we take that out of the circulation for development and possible loss of trees. 01:29:39.220 --> 01:29:45.860 The other thing we do is plant trees directly through the city's efforts. 01:29:45.860 --> 01:29:54.660 We plant trees along trails, along streets, boulevard medians, anywhere where we can have 01:29:54.660 --> 01:30:02.380 a tree planted that will positively, in fact, impact our users and also help to reduce the 01:30:02.380 --> 01:30:09.620 urban heat island effect by planting near parking lots and roads and what have you, 01:30:09.620 --> 01:30:10.700 or any impervious surfaces. 01:30:10.700 --> 01:30:16.980 The other ways trees get planted here in Denton is through single family development. 01:30:16.980 --> 01:30:22.540 There's requirements within the development code for trees to be planted when new houses 01:30:22.540 --> 01:30:28.860 are built, new commercial and also new industrial. 01:30:28.860 --> 01:30:34.260 The other things that we do within the city is tree giveaways through the Red Bud Festival 01:30:34.260 --> 01:30:39.140 annually in the spring, and in the fall we have our annual community tree give away, 01:30:39.140 --> 01:30:42.540 where we give away trees to homeowners. 01:30:42.540 --> 01:30:52.740 And we also in the past have provided saplings through Children's Arbor Day events. 01:30:52.740 --> 01:30:59.580 And finally we have our tree rebate program, and we revamped that a couple years ago to 01:30:59.580 --> 01:31:04.520 vary the size of the rebate depending on the size of the tree that someone plants. 01:31:04.520 --> 01:31:13.140 So for the smaller size trees, the rebate is $50 per tree, and it can be up to $250 01:31:13.140 --> 01:31:19.140 per tree for the larger trees, with a max annually for a household of $500. 01:31:19.140 --> 01:31:25.740 So when we changed up that program, we've been having a strong response to the grants 01:31:25.740 --> 01:31:31.540 and we've actually been getting some of these funds out, or more of these funds, into the 01:31:31.540 --> 01:31:35.980 residents of Denton's hands. 01:31:35.980 --> 01:31:37.820 So how many trees have we planted? 01:31:37.820 --> 01:31:43.440 So when putting together this presentation, I looked at the last five years of how many 01:31:43.440 --> 01:31:46.300 trees that we've planted. 01:31:46.300 --> 01:31:55.580 And as you can see here from 2018 to 2022, we've gone between, you know, on the low side 01:31:55.580 --> 01:32:01.980 2,600 trees, and on the high side 3,800, just over 3,800 trees. 01:32:01.980 --> 01:32:08.620 And that 2,600 I believe was in the time when we were reassessing our use of the tree fund, 01:32:08.620 --> 01:32:14.540 and we weren't really planting as many trees internally, but we still had our giveaways 01:32:14.540 --> 01:32:20.580 and there was still new development, and these numbers include plant teams from single family 01:32:20.580 --> 01:32:25.580 development. 01:32:25.580 --> 01:32:31.420 So how many trees do we need to plant in 20 years to reach specific canopy goals? 01:32:31.420 --> 01:32:41.380 So if we want to increase our canopy to 25% or 1% increase, we'd have to plant 5,100 trees 01:32:41.380 --> 01:32:43.780 per year for the next 20 years. 01:32:43.780 --> 01:32:52.140 If we bump that up to 30%, it would be 22,000 trees, so just over 22,000 trees per year. 01:32:52.140 --> 01:33:00.380 To reach 35%, it'd be 39,000 trees per year, and to reach 40%, it would be 56,000 trees 01:33:00.380 --> 01:33:01.820 per year. 01:33:01.820 --> 01:33:06.740 So when I ran these numbers in preparing for this presentation, you know, I started rethinking 01:33:06.740 --> 01:33:12.740 our canopy goals, and one of the things our master plan allows for is a reevaluation of 01:33:12.740 --> 01:33:16.100 the plan and the goals and objectives on a regular schedule. 01:33:16.100 --> 01:33:20.180 I think the first one is scheduled for five years after the plan, so it's coming up. 01:33:20.180 --> 01:33:26.020 So one of the things that we'll do is we'll look at these canopy goals because our tree 01:33:26.020 --> 01:33:32.660 canopy that we have wasn't as high as what it was when we actually set these goals, and 01:33:32.660 --> 01:33:38.340 the other thing is when we set those goals, it was considering if all the city was fully 01:33:38.340 --> 01:33:48.060 developed as it is currently zoned, so knowing that that's a longer-term proposition for 01:33:48.060 --> 01:33:55.940 the city to be fully built out, we feel that it probably would be appropriate to reassess 01:33:55.940 --> 01:34:02.760 these goals and make them more in line with where we are and where we think we can be 01:34:02.760 --> 01:34:07.460 by the end of the master plan. 01:34:07.460 --> 01:34:13.100 So that's pretty much everything I have on our tree canopy goals on, you know, where 01:34:13.100 --> 01:34:19.220 we're at, how we got there, and where we are, the trajectory we're heading. 01:34:19.220 --> 01:34:22.580 Are there any questions that anyone has? 01:34:22.580 --> 01:34:23.580 Yeah. 01:34:23.580 --> 01:34:25.780 Ed, go ahead. 01:34:25.780 --> 01:34:29.060 Well, pardon me. 01:34:29.060 --> 01:34:32.420 Thanks for the presentation. 01:34:32.420 --> 01:34:37.860 Will there be any reassessment of the goals in light of the fact that temperatures are 01:34:37.860 --> 01:34:43.940 getting higher and higher, and that droughts may be getting longer and longer, and how 01:34:43.940 --> 01:34:50.500 this will affect what trees are used for planting, et cetera? 01:34:50.500 --> 01:34:55.620 I just heard today that it's gotten so hot in Arizona that even indigenous species like 01:34:55.620 --> 01:35:04.420 cactus are dying, so I would think knowing that we're set for more hot days and less 01:35:04.420 --> 01:35:10.900 rain, if that will be considered when you reassess the plan. 01:35:10.900 --> 01:35:18.020 Yeah, that specifically, we're actually looking at that when we look at our recommended trees 01:35:18.020 --> 01:35:23.940 for planting and that, so it'll be baked in there, but it won't be, you know, specifically 01:35:23.940 --> 01:35:24.940 looked at. 01:35:24.940 --> 01:35:29.820 So, what we're doing with our recommended tree list and what we're actually planting 01:35:29.820 --> 01:35:36.580 is we're looking at trees, you know, last summer was a really good, I guess, test for 01:35:36.580 --> 01:35:42.980 us to see what trees are able to take, you know, an extended period of drought with high 01:35:42.980 --> 01:35:44.860 temperatures combined. 01:35:44.860 --> 01:35:49.620 And so, when we looked at, you know, what trees survived last year, we're starting to 01:35:49.620 --> 01:35:53.900 incorporate more of those trees into our planting plans. 01:35:53.900 --> 01:36:00.220 The other thing we're doing, and this is not just Denton, this is an industry-wide thing, 01:36:00.220 --> 01:36:05.540 we're looking at trees that are native to Texas, but grow more in the south part of 01:36:05.540 --> 01:36:10.700 the state where the temperatures tend to get a little bit higher in the drier areas, so 01:36:10.700 --> 01:36:16.940 we can incorporate those as they become available in the nurseries into our planting scheme. 01:36:16.940 --> 01:36:23.820 And last spring, for the first time we planted Mexican sycamore, which is a way, you know, 01:36:23.820 --> 01:36:30.240 almost near the Mexican border tree, drought-tolerant, it should do well here, seems to do okay when 01:36:30.240 --> 01:36:33.540 we have the colder winters. 01:36:33.540 --> 01:36:40.180 Another one is Mexican sycamore, Mexican sycamore and Monterey oak, sorry, or Mexican white oak. 01:36:40.180 --> 01:36:45.140 So those are some of the things we're doing to, you know, get more diversity in what we're 01:36:45.140 --> 01:36:46.540 actually putting in the ground. 01:36:46.540 --> 01:36:47.540 >> Great. 01:36:47.540 --> 01:36:48.540 Thank you. 01:36:48.540 --> 01:36:49.540 >> Yeah, you're welcome. 01:36:49.540 --> 01:36:50.540 >> Adam? 01:36:50.540 --> 01:36:54.180 >> Yeah, thank you for the presentation. 01:36:54.180 --> 01:37:00.980 So if I heard you right, we're planting 2,000 to 4,000 trees now, and when you run the numbers 01:37:00.980 --> 01:37:09.020 you need to have 56,000 a year planted, which would be quite a jump. 01:37:09.020 --> 01:37:13.340 I've always wanted to ask you this question because I drive around town and I say, oh, 01:37:13.340 --> 01:37:17.400 we could put a tree there, we could put a tree there, and I wonder how many other people 01:37:17.400 --> 01:37:23.140 are like that, who are constantly thinking about trees, and I wonder if you have ever 01:37:23.140 --> 01:37:27.860 thought about like a, you know how there's adopt-a-spot, like highway program, like an 01:37:27.860 --> 01:37:33.220 adopt-a-tree or adopt-an-urban-forest program where you can partner with citizens who are 01:37:33.220 --> 01:37:38.500 really committed and give them the resources they need if they're willing to put in the 01:37:38.500 --> 01:37:39.500 volunteer time. 01:37:39.500 --> 01:37:44.920 Like, I'm just wondering, how can we up the numbers of trees planted by tapping into folks 01:37:44.920 --> 01:37:46.820 who might be really energized? 01:37:46.820 --> 01:37:52.460 Is there anything, I mean, we get the trees every year from the giveaway, but are there 01:37:52.460 --> 01:38:00.300 other things we can do or that other cities are doing to tap into an energetic populace? 01:38:00.300 --> 01:38:06.780 As far as, I think the biggest thing that I've heard cities do are the tree giveaways, 01:38:06.780 --> 01:38:11.860 but if there are areas that, and one of our limiting factors where we plant, let me back 01:38:11.860 --> 01:38:17.860 up a second, is having the availability to irrigate the tree, and so that's always one 01:38:17.860 --> 01:38:23.660 of the biggest factors when getting a new tree established, but if there are spots where 01:38:23.660 --> 01:38:29.780 there's maybe one or two or three trees can be planted, generally it's not really cost 01:38:29.780 --> 01:38:34.980 effective for us to add irrigation if it's not there, so maybe that's something we can 01:38:34.980 --> 01:38:41.340 look at if there are areas in neighborhoods where local residents can maybe adopt the tree 01:38:41.340 --> 01:38:48.220 and take care of watering that tree for the first few years until it gets established. 01:38:48.220 --> 01:38:51.580 We can definitely look into putting something like that together. 01:38:51.580 --> 01:38:56.500 Yeah, and I'm gonna, if I look down here, I'm not texting, I'm making notes. 01:38:56.500 --> 01:38:58.060 - All right, Brian? 01:38:58.060 --> 01:39:01.900 - Yeah, thank you for coming, Heywood, we really appreciate the presentation. 01:39:01.900 --> 01:39:02.900 - Yes, you're welcome. 01:39:02.900 --> 01:39:08.020 - I guess, could you vocalize where you see the biggest opportunities for growing our 01:39:08.020 --> 01:39:14.100 canopy, and specifically when you look at the numbers that our current goal is at, do 01:39:14.100 --> 01:39:18.580 you see that playing out in public right of ways, or specifically just in residential 01:39:18.580 --> 01:39:19.580 areas? 01:39:19.580 --> 01:39:24.100 Where do you see, I guess if you could say what your goal would be, but then maybe there's 01:39:24.100 --> 01:39:28.740 some limiting factors you could talk about, about what you can actually capable of doing. 01:39:28.740 --> 01:39:31.820 - So all of the above. 01:39:31.820 --> 01:39:38.740 So internally, when I look at areas where we can plant trees, I'm looking at areas where 01:39:38.740 --> 01:39:46.340 we have activity in our parks, to provide shade for individuals using our trails, to 01:39:46.340 --> 01:39:53.640 plant trees along center boulevard mediums where we can help shade the pavement and reduce 01:39:53.640 --> 01:39:59.620 the urban heat island effect, just anywhere where we can reasonably plant trees and have 01:39:59.620 --> 01:40:01.700 them irrigated. 01:40:01.700 --> 01:40:09.000 I'm open for planting, and the other one is pushing the tree giveaways. 01:40:09.000 --> 01:40:14.020 One that I think I didn't have on my slide was, we have a neighborhood tree giveaway 01:40:14.020 --> 01:40:19.460 where we'll actually deliver up to 100 trees in a neighborhood that's in need of trees, 01:40:19.460 --> 01:40:25.780 and we partner usually with residents in the neighborhood or HOA, and we'll deliver the 01:40:25.780 --> 01:40:32.700 trees on a Friday, and then they'll do a giveaway on a Saturday. 01:40:32.700 --> 01:40:37.900 - And I know you've had the Planet Geo software for about a year or two now, I wonder, have 01:40:37.900 --> 01:40:44.420 you noticed any trends now that you have like a really strong granular detail over all of 01:40:44.420 --> 01:40:48.140 these different parcels and forested areas, if you've kind of discovered a little bit 01:40:48.140 --> 01:40:52.660 more than what we knew when we initially adopted the master plan? 01:40:52.660 --> 01:40:57.020 - The main difference, when we subscribed, we noticed that our canopy wasn't as high 01:40:57.020 --> 01:41:02.340 as we thought it was, and some of that could be attributed to development, some of it could 01:41:02.340 --> 01:41:10.100 be attributed to different methodologies and how the tree canopy assessments were performed, 01:41:10.100 --> 01:41:16.940 the addition of annexed land into the city that may not have been heavily treed. 01:41:16.940 --> 01:41:22.060 But from year one to year two, and we just recently had an update, I haven't noticed 01:41:22.060 --> 01:41:23.540 a lot. 01:41:23.540 --> 01:41:27.740 Tree canopy is one of those things that's something that you see over a larger span 01:41:27.740 --> 01:41:34.940 of time, which is one of the reasons I wanted to have that software so we can track year 01:41:34.940 --> 01:41:41.580 to year and kind of keep a little bit closer tabs on what's happening with the tree canopy. 01:41:41.580 --> 01:41:42.580 - Final question, sorry. 01:41:42.580 --> 01:41:47.740 I was just curious for the target numbers that you have for your outplanting, is that, 01:41:47.740 --> 01:41:51.940 so like you're on the net, is that accounting for trees that might get lost due to development 01:41:51.940 --> 01:41:56.740 or some other disturbance, are you counting that as like a net plus, or is that just the 01:41:56.740 --> 01:42:01.580 number that you put out and maybe over a five year period it changes? 01:42:01.580 --> 01:42:09.140 - It's just a number of what we would need to plant. 01:42:09.140 --> 01:42:11.060 And some of those numbers include development. 01:42:11.060 --> 01:42:18.020 It doesn't include the commercial or industrial, because I was working with our permitting 01:42:18.020 --> 01:42:22.980 department to get some of those numbers, and I couldn't really think of a good way to get 01:42:22.980 --> 01:42:30.020 the numbers for industrial or commercial without it being just tracked as projects go in. 01:42:30.020 --> 01:42:35.540 With residential, it's a little bit easier, pull the number of permits for single family 01:42:35.540 --> 01:42:41.220 construction, they require at least two trees, so multiply by two and just add it in. 01:42:41.220 --> 01:42:43.700 - Cool, thank you so much. 01:42:43.700 --> 01:42:44.700 - Yes, you're welcome. 01:42:44.700 --> 01:42:48.860 - I have a few questions. 01:42:48.860 --> 01:43:01.580 So on number nine slide, do we have the percentage of survival for the new trees that we have 01:43:01.580 --> 01:43:02.580 there? 01:43:02.580 --> 01:43:05.800 I know we see what's planted on slide nine. 01:43:05.800 --> 01:43:10.060 Do we know how many of those trees have survived, like new plantings? 01:43:10.060 --> 01:43:15.260 I see new development and stuff and driving around, I see these trees struggling, a lot 01:43:15.260 --> 01:43:20.020 of them have died, especially like university and the media, and I know some had to be replaced, 01:43:20.020 --> 01:43:24.980 and so do we know of the percentage of those new trees, how many survived? 01:43:24.980 --> 01:43:31.500 - Yeah, so generally speaking, we have about a 90% survival rate. 01:43:31.500 --> 01:43:36.740 The kind of hiccup to those sometimes is if we have issues with the irrigation on our 01:43:36.740 --> 01:43:43.140 public planting and we have a delay with getting that repaired, I know we've had some irrigation 01:43:43.140 --> 01:43:47.540 issues specifically on university, that's why there's some big gaps right now because 01:43:47.540 --> 01:43:52.740 I'm waiting until that's repaired and ready to go for a new tree, so hopefully that'll 01:43:52.740 --> 01:43:56.540 be this fall and we can get those gaps filled in also. 01:43:56.540 --> 01:44:06.600 - Okay, and I think this may go along with Brian's question, on the last one, how many 01:44:06.600 --> 01:44:08.580 trees do we need to plant 20 years? 01:44:08.580 --> 01:44:14.540 I think you may have answered it, but I just want to clarify, so this is just trees planted 01:44:14.540 --> 01:44:21.020 to reach the canopy goals, does it not account for trees that will be cut down? 01:44:21.020 --> 01:44:26.220 So are we just assuming that no more trees are cut down to reach this goal as we add 01:44:26.220 --> 01:44:27.220 more? 01:44:27.220 --> 01:44:33.700 - Yeah, it's just looking at what's planted because I don't really know how to predict 01:44:33.700 --> 01:44:37.460 what's going to be developed and how much we're going to lose. 01:44:37.460 --> 01:44:42.100 - So on this slide, what we're looking at to reach our goal means that no more trees 01:44:42.100 --> 01:44:47.340 are to be cut down from this point forward and we need to add this many more trees per 01:44:47.340 --> 01:44:49.300 year to reach this goal. 01:44:49.300 --> 01:44:55.940 - And it would also include trees that are being planted because of new development. 01:44:55.940 --> 01:45:04.420 So it was looking at when the goals were set in the master plan, our consultant, they looked 01:45:04.420 --> 01:45:11.100 at the percentage required for single family, commercial and industrial, if that property 01:45:11.100 --> 01:45:13.740 was developed out as it's zoned. 01:45:13.740 --> 01:45:20.660 So it didn't really look at what's being lost, but it looks at what's the potential to be 01:45:20.660 --> 01:45:23.580 planted with those developed properties. 01:45:23.580 --> 01:45:27.820 - Okay, and along the lines of planting new trees, this is my last one, because we just 01:45:27.820 --> 01:45:34.900 had a long presentation about our climate plan and water is a big section. 01:45:34.900 --> 01:45:41.020 And so as you mentioned earlier, irrigation on new trees is a big deal, right? 01:45:41.020 --> 01:45:42.700 It needs a lot of water. 01:45:42.700 --> 01:45:45.940 So are we looking at that plan? 01:45:45.940 --> 01:45:53.440 Are we communicating with our new plan that's coming up as far as what kind of water we 01:45:53.440 --> 01:45:57.740 need for the survival of these trees? 01:45:57.740 --> 01:46:01.220 - We hadn't looked at it specifically because this was my first time knowing that the plan 01:46:01.220 --> 01:46:03.000 was happening. 01:46:03.000 --> 01:46:14.580 But what we do is we always try to plant and advocate trees that are lower water use trees. 01:46:14.580 --> 01:46:20.620 That's our main avenue and as far as the irrigation that goes on it, we use bubbler so if there's 01:46:20.620 --> 01:46:24.740 not water spraying, it's more directly applied to the tree. 01:46:24.740 --> 01:46:31.460 And we generally are watering in the overnight hours or evening hours, so we have less evaporation 01:46:31.460 --> 01:46:33.500 of water. 01:46:33.500 --> 01:46:43.420 - And as far as the plan goes on, you just mentioned heat islands, and then we need more 01:46:43.420 --> 01:46:49.500 protection for biking, is that something when you are looking to plant trees that you keep 01:46:49.500 --> 01:46:56.140 into account, like walking or biking to make sure things are shaded, are you looking for 01:46:56.140 --> 01:46:57.860 areas like that as well? 01:46:57.860 --> 01:47:05.540 - Yes, anywhere where there is an impervious surface, whether it's some of our larger trails 01:47:05.540 --> 01:47:12.620 through the parks that are paved or center mediums where cars travel or if there's... 01:47:12.620 --> 01:47:18.900 We don't really plant between the curb and sidewalk because right now that's the homeowner's 01:47:18.900 --> 01:47:23.460 domain, but those areas are required for new development for trees to be planted. 01:47:23.460 --> 01:47:28.460 But anywhere where we can add a little bit more shade for pedestrians, we target those 01:47:28.460 --> 01:47:29.460 areas. 01:47:29.460 --> 01:47:30.460 - Okay. 01:47:30.460 --> 01:47:31.460 I think... 01:47:31.460 --> 01:47:32.460 Ed, do you have one more question? 01:47:32.460 --> 01:47:33.460 Thank you. 01:47:33.460 --> 01:47:34.460 - Yes, you're welcome. 01:47:34.460 --> 01:47:38.580 - Yeah, you'll have to excuse me if this question is really stupid, but I'm going to ask it 01:47:38.580 --> 01:47:39.580 anyway. 01:47:39.580 --> 01:47:40.580 Huh? 01:47:40.580 --> 01:47:41.580 - Thank you. 01:47:41.580 --> 01:47:50.420 - I look at the 25%, 30% canopy and all that, and what is 100% tree canopy? 01:47:50.420 --> 01:47:54.700 - 100% tree canopy means there's no development. 01:47:54.700 --> 01:48:00.300 There's no roads, there's no houses, it's just undeveloped land, probably in a forest 01:48:00.300 --> 01:48:02.420 where everything is covered. 01:48:02.420 --> 01:48:03.420 - Okay. 01:48:03.420 --> 01:48:09.740 - I mean, it'd be hard to get 100% covered just because of your building footprint and... 01:48:09.740 --> 01:48:10.740 - Oh, sure. 01:48:10.740 --> 01:48:17.500 - I just was trying to think of it in terms relative to the percentages, that's all. 01:48:17.500 --> 01:48:18.500 - Yeah. 01:48:18.500 --> 01:48:19.500 - Yeah. 01:48:19.500 --> 01:48:20.500 - Yeah. 01:48:20.500 --> 01:48:21.500 - Okay. 01:48:21.500 --> 01:48:22.500 Thank you. 01:48:22.500 --> 01:48:23.500 - You're welcome. 01:48:23.500 --> 01:48:24.500 - Okay. 01:48:24.500 --> 01:48:25.500 I think we're good. 01:48:25.500 --> 01:48:26.500 - All right. 01:48:26.500 --> 01:48:27.500 Thank you. 01:48:27.500 --> 01:48:28.500 - Thank you so much. 01:48:28.500 --> 01:48:29.500 - You're welcome. 01:48:29.500 --> 01:48:30.500 - I appreciate your presentation. 01:48:30.500 --> 01:48:31.500 - Thanks, Edwin. 01:48:31.500 --> 01:48:32.500 - All right. 01:48:32.500 --> 01:48:37.860 We will move on to item E. I think we are. 01:48:37.860 --> 01:48:43.180 And that is Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion, and Give Staff Feedback Regarding Updates 01:48:43.180 --> 01:48:46.220 to the Greensense Energy Efficiency Program. 01:48:46.220 --> 01:48:49.620 - And J.T. is going to link to present this one. 01:48:49.620 --> 01:48:54.980 We just have a first draft of what the Greensense Efficiency rebates could look like under new 01:48:54.980 --> 01:48:55.980 funding next year. 01:48:55.980 --> 01:48:56.980 - Okay. 01:48:56.980 --> 01:48:57.980 - All right. 01:48:57.980 --> 01:49:03.980 Give me just one second, and we will get started. 01:49:03.980 --> 01:49:09.900 Okay, I think that looks good. 01:49:09.900 --> 01:49:10.900 All right. 01:49:10.900 --> 01:49:14.780 So good afternoon, committee members, James Douglas, and the Conservation Programs Coordinator. 01:49:14.780 --> 01:49:21.420 Again, here to talk about a proposal for the Greensense Energy Efficiency Incentives as 01:49:21.420 --> 01:49:24.540 a part of a possible program update. 01:49:24.540 --> 01:49:28.140 There we go. 01:49:28.140 --> 01:49:32.760 So a pretty simple presentation today, so we're going to go over some background about the 01:49:32.760 --> 01:49:34.820 incentive program itself. 01:49:34.820 --> 01:49:40.140 We'll talk about the current program performance through the most recent fiscal year, specifically 01:49:40.140 --> 01:49:41.900 fiscal year '22. 01:49:41.900 --> 01:49:46.940 We'll talk about those proposed program changes, and then we will go over the next steps for 01:49:46.940 --> 01:49:50.060 possible implementation. 01:49:50.060 --> 01:49:56.340 So just a little bit more about Greensense, so the program began in 2009, and as the years 01:49:56.340 --> 01:50:01.100 go on, we've had sort of different funding levels, and of course, technology changes 01:50:01.100 --> 01:50:05.240 over that time, so updates to the program are made. 01:50:05.240 --> 01:50:09.240 Our current program incentive levels and current program has been in place since fiscal year 01:50:09.240 --> 01:50:12.180 2018. 01:50:12.180 --> 01:50:17.580 The energy efficiency, of course, is largely focused on heating and cooling elements such 01:50:17.580 --> 01:50:25.380 as HVAC, insulation, smart thermostats, things of that nature that work on heating and specifically 01:50:25.380 --> 01:50:26.380 cooling. 01:50:26.380 --> 01:50:33.460 We make up about 55 percent or more of energy bills and also are targeted for different 01:50:33.460 --> 01:50:38.500 things on demand management, so when we're talking about cooling specifically, that's 01:50:38.500 --> 01:50:41.180 going to have a large impact there as well. 01:50:41.180 --> 01:50:46.220 The program is administered by Environmental Services and Sustainability, and then, of 01:50:46.220 --> 01:50:50.780 course, the funding comes through DME, so all of the energy efficiency rebates come 01:50:50.780 --> 01:50:53.380 through our office. 01:50:53.380 --> 01:50:56.900 A little bit about the current program, and you can see the current funding levels that 01:50:56.900 --> 01:51:01.940 are there, and when we talk about the proposed funding levels, you do have a comparison in 01:51:01.940 --> 01:51:04.220 your backup as well for reference. 01:51:04.220 --> 01:51:08.740 So the current annual funding levels are at $250,000 annually. 01:51:08.740 --> 01:51:12.980 I did want to mention that we recently launched into our online application. 01:51:12.980 --> 01:51:19.880 You can still do a paper application, but we've seen a really good portion of the rebates 01:51:19.880 --> 01:51:25.280 coming through on that online application, and that started in January 2023. 01:51:25.280 --> 01:51:32.000 Our average application review time is about 3.7 days with that new online application. 01:51:32.000 --> 01:51:34.980 There's of course going to be some where there's some back and forth if we need to track down 01:51:34.980 --> 01:51:40.380 some additional information to process the rebate, but that 3.7 is a good average. 01:51:40.380 --> 01:51:44.180 And then, as I said, you can see the current rebates that are being offered there. 01:51:44.180 --> 01:51:48.560 The one that is not included but is included in your backup is also that electric vehicle 01:51:48.560 --> 01:51:50.980 rebate at $300 currently. 01:51:50.980 --> 01:51:55.780 Can I ask a quick question? 01:51:55.780 --> 01:51:56.780 Sure. 01:51:56.780 --> 01:52:02.660 At the top there under the equipment, you have the two HVAC categories. 01:52:02.660 --> 01:52:07.380 Can they be either gas, natural gas, or electric? 01:52:07.380 --> 01:52:08.720 That's correct, yes. 01:52:08.720 --> 01:52:10.900 Whereas the heat pump is electric? 01:52:10.900 --> 01:52:11.900 Correct. 01:52:11.900 --> 01:52:12.900 All right. 01:52:12.900 --> 01:52:19.260 I'd like at some point to discuss perhaps a different pricing or incentive offering, 01:52:19.260 --> 01:52:21.180 whether it's electric or gas. 01:52:21.180 --> 01:52:22.820 That is listed in the current proposal. 01:52:22.820 --> 01:52:23.820 Okay. 01:52:23.820 --> 01:52:24.820 Great. 01:52:24.820 --> 01:52:25.820 Thank you. 01:52:25.820 --> 01:52:26.820 Mm-hmm. 01:52:26.820 --> 01:52:30.780 So, talking a little bit about the current performance of the program and why we're proposing 01:52:30.780 --> 01:52:35.140 some of these changes, so I will point out that on the far left-hand side here you can 01:52:35.140 --> 01:52:36.500 see fiscal year 2017. 01:52:36.500 --> 01:52:41.740 It's in a different color because that was under a slightly different pricing than we 01:52:41.740 --> 01:52:42.740 currently have. 01:52:42.740 --> 01:52:46.720 So those rebates were slightly higher on all of the different elements. 01:52:46.720 --> 01:52:51.620 So the graph here you can see a percentage of cost funded by fiscal year. 01:52:51.620 --> 01:52:56.700 So this is how much on average was the rebate accounting for the total cost of the equipment 01:52:56.700 --> 01:52:58.420 that it was installed. 01:52:58.420 --> 01:53:02.620 Again, you can kind of take out 2017 from that picture, but we see it was a little bit 01:53:02.620 --> 01:53:03.720 higher then. 01:53:03.720 --> 01:53:09.580 We see a steady decrease over time from 2018 to 2022, ending in 2022 with only about 4% 01:53:09.580 --> 01:53:13.460 of the total cost of the equipment being covered by the rebate program. 01:53:13.460 --> 01:53:19.100 Again, the pricing for the rebates did not change from 2018 to 2022. 01:53:19.100 --> 01:53:27.980 So we can assume there that the cost of installing this equipment has gone up over time. 01:53:27.980 --> 01:53:31.980 Related to that, we have the number of rebates that are being processed by fiscal year. 01:53:31.980 --> 01:53:35.340 Again, you can see 2017 there in red with the different funding structure. 01:53:35.340 --> 01:53:42.420 Again, we see that as a general decrease over time there with a slight spike in 2021, possibly 01:53:42.420 --> 01:53:47.380 due to increased stimulus funding, things like of that nature. 01:53:47.380 --> 01:53:55.100 But in 2022, we did see our lowest number of rebates processed there at 327. 01:53:55.100 --> 01:53:57.940 So that brings us to some of the proposed changes. 01:53:57.940 --> 01:54:06.140 So the potential annual budget increase is between $500,000 and a million dollars. 01:54:06.140 --> 01:54:11.960 Just for a bit of reference for the proposed rebates that you see in the backup. 01:54:11.960 --> 01:54:18.560 So for the items that are currently in the program, if we use that proposed funding, 01:54:18.560 --> 01:54:24.580 we would see an 18% coverage of the total cost for the equipment as compared to the 01:54:24.580 --> 01:54:30.060 4% that was covered under the current rebate dollar amounts. 01:54:30.060 --> 01:54:37.860 So we did, along with our analysis of the current program, we included essentially where 01:54:37.860 --> 01:54:43.020 are we getting the most bang for our buck among the current rebates and priority was 01:54:43.020 --> 01:54:46.860 given to increasing those amongst the current offerings. 01:54:46.860 --> 01:54:51.360 We also have new offerings that are included in the proposal, and you can see those there. 01:54:51.360 --> 01:54:59.060 Some examples of those are something like an HVAC tuneup giving about 50% back for those 01:54:59.060 --> 01:55:01.620 if they're conducted annually. 01:55:01.620 --> 01:55:06.540 Electric bikes or e-bikes are included in our current proposal as well. 01:55:06.540 --> 01:55:12.060 Weatherization kits and also sort of outlining that dedicated funding for the fan giveaway, 01:55:12.060 --> 01:55:14.940 which we have done for the last two summers. 01:55:14.940 --> 01:55:19.780 Those are important as well because those help out DME customers that are renters, where 01:55:19.780 --> 01:55:26.860 a large portion of the program currently is for single-family homeowners. 01:55:26.860 --> 01:55:30.420 A little bit more of that bang for the buck analysis there. 01:55:30.420 --> 01:55:36.460 So you can see the three most sort of cost-effective ones that we have are insulation, HVAC, and 01:55:36.460 --> 01:55:37.460 solar screens. 01:55:37.460 --> 01:55:42.160 And when you look at the proposal, that is where we have a large portion of the increases. 01:55:42.160 --> 01:55:47.440 What you're seeing here is a cost per KWH or cost per consumption. 01:55:47.440 --> 01:55:52.620 Keep in mind that this is for Denton's investment, and that this is only for the first 12 months. 01:55:52.620 --> 01:55:54.700 So it is just a relative comparison. 01:55:54.700 --> 01:56:02.960 This does not take into account the entire lifetime of the equipment, which can vary. 01:56:02.960 --> 01:56:04.460 So some next steps. 01:56:04.460 --> 01:56:09.580 So we'll continue to follow the budget discussions that are occurring at the City Council. 01:56:09.580 --> 01:56:12.180 We'll prepare an updated Greensense incentive manual. 01:56:12.180 --> 01:56:17.840 So this is the document that oversees sort of the implementation of the program and really 01:56:17.840 --> 01:56:20.840 kind of bakes in those different rebate amounts. 01:56:20.840 --> 01:56:25.920 So along with this proposal, we'll be including an updated version of that document. 01:56:25.920 --> 01:56:29.980 So we'll continue to update and implement the online application platform, both for 01:56:29.980 --> 01:56:36.200 ease of use and for staff time savings, which will help us with this sort of increased implementation 01:56:36.200 --> 01:56:37.740 of this program. 01:56:37.740 --> 01:56:43.480 And we'll still offer the paper copy version for any of those folks that might need that. 01:56:43.480 --> 01:56:47.180 As we do currently, we'll continue to track the effectiveness, especially of these new 01:56:47.180 --> 01:56:48.180 programs. 01:56:48.180 --> 01:56:52.360 We'll see where the dollars are sort of being best spent, which of these programs are most 01:56:52.360 --> 01:56:57.980 popular and most effective, and we can continue to make changes sort of as we see those increased 01:56:57.980 --> 01:57:01.180 opportunities there. 01:57:01.180 --> 01:57:05.660 And with that, I will take any questions on the proposal. 01:57:05.660 --> 01:57:07.900 Adam? 01:57:07.900 --> 01:57:10.780 Yeah, thanks, J.T. 01:57:10.780 --> 01:57:12.480 Not so much a question on the proposal. 01:57:12.480 --> 01:57:18.420 Just to understand the program in general, this -- is this on an ongoing, like, rolling 01:57:18.420 --> 01:57:27.260 basis throughout the year, and are you always paying out these rebates, or is there a limit 01:57:27.260 --> 01:57:32.660 that you would reach such that there's no more money in the pot, basically? 01:57:32.660 --> 01:57:33.660 Yes. 01:57:33.660 --> 01:57:38.140 Right now, it's that $250,000 annual allocation. 01:57:38.140 --> 01:57:43.080 I will say the funding has not run out for this particular program. 01:57:43.080 --> 01:57:48.940 The last time the energy efficiency funding ran out was in that 2017 fiscal year, when 01:57:48.940 --> 01:57:50.800 we did have those higher dollar amounts. 01:57:50.800 --> 01:57:54.540 That's part of the reason that it was lowered, was essentially to spread it out a little 01:57:54.540 --> 01:57:56.380 bit more evenly. 01:57:56.380 --> 01:58:02.780 And so with the sort of percentage of cost cover dropping a little bit lower, it's something 01:58:02.780 --> 01:58:05.420 that we've been looking to put more money towards. 01:58:05.420 --> 01:58:10.740 So again, once that pot of money, it essentially opens October 1, and it would be first come, 01:58:10.740 --> 01:58:14.220 first serve on the rebates there. 01:58:14.220 --> 01:58:18.460 Go ahead, Brian. 01:58:18.460 --> 01:58:20.100 Really excited to see eBikes in that program. 01:58:20.100 --> 01:58:24.300 I know we've talked about that in previous meetings, but thank you, thank you for putting 01:58:24.300 --> 01:58:25.860 it in the program. 01:58:25.860 --> 01:58:29.620 And I know we also just spent quite a lot of time talking about the kind of investments 01:58:29.620 --> 01:58:35.160 we were hoping to make to transition ourselves over the next 10, 15 years. 01:58:35.160 --> 01:58:40.060 And so I sincerely hope you made a really compelling and effective argument to the success 01:58:40.060 --> 01:58:41.060 of this program. 01:58:41.060 --> 01:58:45.960 And I really hope that you were able to get the funding from council to get a better return 01:58:45.960 --> 01:58:47.340 on this program. 01:58:47.340 --> 01:58:50.220 So congratulations and good luck. 01:58:50.220 --> 01:58:54.100 Ed, go ahead. 01:58:54.100 --> 01:58:58.980 Just, yeah, there you go. 01:58:58.980 --> 01:59:01.220 Thanks for the presentation. 01:59:01.220 --> 01:59:02.220 Of course. 01:59:02.220 --> 01:59:08.540 I understand the DME is conducting a value of solar study, is that correct? 01:59:08.540 --> 01:59:09.540 Yes. 01:59:09.540 --> 01:59:10.820 Yeah. 01:59:10.820 --> 01:59:18.460 And there's also, they're returning to and updating the Denton renewable resources plan, 01:59:18.460 --> 01:59:19.460 I believe. 01:59:19.460 --> 01:59:20.460 Correct. 01:59:20.460 --> 01:59:30.140 So those are not complete as far as I know. 01:59:30.140 --> 01:59:35.700 So those are pretty important things on the horizon. 01:59:35.700 --> 01:59:41.800 They could possibly have an effect on the Greensense program. 01:59:41.800 --> 01:59:50.380 So I just want to make sure that we're not jumping the gun here until we get those programs 01:59:50.380 --> 01:59:55.780 in and see what the future from DME's perspective looks like with this. 01:59:55.780 --> 02:00:00.020 I think the city's perspective here is fine, but I don't know what, I don't know what's, 02:00:00.020 --> 02:00:04.620 this just seems to me there's some big question marks. 02:00:04.620 --> 02:00:10.940 Catherine, for clarification, is this for the budget coming up? 02:00:10.940 --> 02:00:11.940 Is this in September? 02:00:11.940 --> 02:00:12.940 Yes. 02:00:12.940 --> 02:00:13.940 Yeah. 02:00:13.940 --> 02:00:14.940 Okay. 02:00:14.940 --> 02:00:15.940 Yes. 02:00:15.940 --> 02:00:19.260 So this will start October 1 of 2023 if the funding is available. 02:00:19.260 --> 02:00:21.020 We have wanted to make changes. 02:00:21.020 --> 02:00:24.900 We've seen those rebate values decreasing over time, and we've wanted to make changes 02:00:24.900 --> 02:00:28.600 to it for a couple of years, and we're lagging. 02:00:28.600 --> 02:00:31.260 We need to go ahead and update it. 02:00:31.260 --> 02:00:36.220 And as they work through their plans, we can come back and look at the Greensense program 02:00:36.220 --> 02:00:38.500 again. 02:00:38.500 --> 02:00:45.380 It's authorized and funded every October 1, so it's not for the end of time. 02:00:45.380 --> 02:00:46.980 We can come back and relook at it. 02:00:46.980 --> 02:00:47.980 Okay. 02:00:47.980 --> 02:00:48.980 Thank you. 02:00:48.980 --> 02:00:49.980 Is that it? 02:00:49.980 --> 02:00:50.980 Did you have? 02:00:50.980 --> 02:00:51.980 I think that's it. 02:00:51.980 --> 02:00:52.980 Okay. 02:00:52.980 --> 02:00:53.980 Oh, yeah. 02:00:53.980 --> 02:00:54.980 Thank you. 02:00:54.980 --> 02:01:03.980 I have a couple, just because we saw the presentation before, and there were a couple of things 02:01:03.980 --> 02:01:06.380 that were kind of mentioned in there. 02:01:06.380 --> 02:01:13.340 And so in regards to heat pumps, is there something we can do on education for those? 02:01:13.340 --> 02:01:19.580 It's not well talked about or well known, and in the funding that you had and the amounts 02:01:19.580 --> 02:01:26.500 that you had, is that enough to meet some of the reduction requirements that are in 02:01:26.500 --> 02:01:27.900 that plan? 02:01:27.900 --> 02:01:32.660 It will certainly make a dent, especially when we talk about sort of those percentage 02:01:32.660 --> 02:01:34.780 retrofit goals. 02:01:34.780 --> 02:01:37.220 And then as far as the communication goes, absolutely. 02:01:37.220 --> 02:01:41.420 And I think that goes to the presentation before as well about speaking of some of the 02:01:41.420 --> 02:01:43.500 benefits of doing that. 02:01:43.500 --> 02:01:50.340 We actually had a meeting this week with DME's communication folks, and so we'll be working 02:01:50.340 --> 02:01:55.700 with them really closely to really revamp that, and specifically, as far as we're concerned, 02:01:55.700 --> 02:01:59.140 getting the word about this program and the benefits of this program out there to both 02:01:59.140 --> 02:02:04.820 developers, folks that install this equipment, and then the homeowners as well. 02:02:04.820 --> 02:02:05.820 Commercial. 02:02:05.820 --> 02:02:06.820 Okay. 02:02:06.820 --> 02:02:12.780 So just kind of to speak to that as well, I believe the question was asked about the 02:02:12.780 --> 02:02:18.740 number of structures that need to be retrofitted, and if we have that as we start along with 02:02:18.740 --> 02:02:25.020 this process of retrofitting, that data going hand in hand, like the percentages being reduced, 02:02:25.020 --> 02:02:29.700 that would be very helpful to have as we continue to fund. 02:02:29.700 --> 02:02:38.380 And then, so as we've seen, like retrofit of old buildings, it's not optional at this 02:02:38.380 --> 02:02:42.980 point if we want to continue to meet those goals to stop the leakage. 02:02:42.980 --> 02:02:49.660 But they did mention IRA as a funding in there, and so that's probably not a conversation 02:02:49.660 --> 02:02:56.700 for this presentation, but I'm just curious if that funding can go hand in hand with Greensense 02:02:56.700 --> 02:02:57.700 or not. 02:02:57.700 --> 02:03:02.920 I think we've talked a lot about sort of getting the most bang for the buck with all programs 02:03:02.920 --> 02:03:04.420 that are out there. 02:03:04.420 --> 02:03:10.640 I think with Denton, of course, the utilities being kind of that advantage that we do have. 02:03:10.640 --> 02:03:16.560 Having sort of that local piece to this program, I think, is really important, and then having 02:03:16.560 --> 02:03:21.740 folks being able to speak directly to us as city staff and do that, and I think Catherine 02:03:21.740 --> 02:03:27.100 will speak to the other elements of that. 02:03:27.100 --> 02:03:32.520 Just kind of building off of what Maura said, we can create those connections to some of 02:03:32.520 --> 02:03:34.380 the IRA funding. 02:03:34.380 --> 02:03:39.100 A new program was just announced yesterday that's specifically targeted at the weatherization 02:03:39.100 --> 02:03:42.700 and energy efficiency improvements, and that money's going to go to the state, so we're 02:03:42.700 --> 02:03:46.100 just going to have to watch that closely and see how we can connect our residents with 02:03:46.100 --> 02:03:47.940 that funding. 02:03:47.940 --> 02:03:50.820 But we're on top of those as much as we can be. 02:03:50.820 --> 02:03:51.820 Okay. 02:03:51.820 --> 02:03:52.820 Thank you. 02:03:52.820 --> 02:03:53.820 Everybody good? 02:03:53.820 --> 02:03:54.820 Okay. 02:03:54.820 --> 02:03:57.380 All right. 02:03:57.380 --> 02:03:58.380 I think we're good. 02:03:58.380 --> 02:03:59.780 Thank you so much. 02:03:59.780 --> 02:04:04.380 I guess, are you looking for anything from this committee as far as that? 02:04:04.380 --> 02:04:08.700 Like thumbs up, we're good to go, or anything else? 02:04:08.700 --> 02:04:09.700 What's that? 02:04:09.700 --> 02:04:10.700 Oh, yeah. 02:04:10.700 --> 02:04:14.340 If there's anything that you feel that we missed as a part of the program with some 02:04:14.340 --> 02:04:17.580 of the additions or changes or anything like that. 02:04:17.580 --> 02:04:19.620 Brian, go ahead. 02:04:19.620 --> 02:04:23.400 Just kind of a thought, and I'm sure this will play out over the next year or so, but 02:04:23.400 --> 02:04:28.060 should the climate action plan be adopted, do you see a lot of those incentive structures 02:04:28.060 --> 02:04:32.140 being built into this kind of existing program, or potentially a new avenue for those sorts 02:04:32.140 --> 02:04:34.060 of incentives? 02:04:34.060 --> 02:04:36.020 As it relates to energy efficiency specifically? 02:04:36.020 --> 02:04:37.020 Right, right. 02:04:37.020 --> 02:04:39.060 Specifically with the building retrofitting. 02:04:39.060 --> 02:04:40.060 Right. 02:04:40.060 --> 02:04:44.620 I think there's a lot of opportunities there, especially with some of the tracking that 02:04:44.620 --> 02:04:47.340 goes into the new online form that we have as well. 02:04:47.340 --> 02:04:52.440 I think there's a real opportunity to see the progress of this program as it relates 02:04:52.440 --> 02:04:58.580 specifically to that one goal in particular, but into the cap as a whole. 02:04:58.580 --> 02:04:59.580 Cool. 02:04:59.580 --> 02:05:00.580 Thank you. 02:05:00.580 --> 02:05:01.580 Thanks. 02:05:01.580 --> 02:05:02.580 Okay. 02:05:02.580 --> 02:05:03.580 Thank you. 02:05:03.580 --> 02:05:04.580 Yeah. 02:05:04.580 --> 02:05:05.580 I think we're good. 02:05:05.580 --> 02:05:06.580 Thanks. 02:05:06.580 --> 02:05:07.580 Okay. 02:05:07.580 --> 02:05:08.580 All right. 02:05:08.580 --> 02:05:22.940 We will continue with staff reports. 02:05:22.940 --> 02:05:23.940 Catherine? 02:05:23.940 --> 02:05:27.740 Is your microphone on? 02:05:27.740 --> 02:05:29.620 We just have the PACE update. 02:05:29.620 --> 02:05:33.660 I wanted to go ahead and give you some background on the Denton County PACE and give you those 02:05:33.660 --> 02:05:35.780 two documents that are linked there. 02:05:35.780 --> 02:05:42.340 I did talk to one of their principals, and they would like to come do a presentation 02:05:42.340 --> 02:05:47.500 about what they do to the committee, so we'll set that up for later in the year, but I want 02:05:47.500 --> 02:05:51.880 to give you a primer so you can think of any questions that you might have. 02:05:51.880 --> 02:05:52.880 Thank you for that. 02:05:52.880 --> 02:05:53.880 I'm looking forward to that presentation. 02:05:53.880 --> 02:05:54.880 Adam? 02:05:54.880 --> 02:05:55.880 Of course. 02:05:55.880 --> 02:05:56.880 Yeah. 02:05:56.880 --> 02:06:01.520 I opened it, and I decided that was too much reading for me to do right now. 02:06:01.520 --> 02:06:06.420 Can you just very quickly remind us what PACE is, so we can think about it? 02:06:06.420 --> 02:06:12.040 It's the Property Assessed Clean Energy Program, where you can get a loan. 02:06:12.040 --> 02:06:17.380 It's tied to an assessment in your property tax, and get funding to do your energy efficiency 02:06:17.380 --> 02:06:20.860 or water efficiency upgrades on an existing commercial structure. 02:06:20.860 --> 02:06:21.860 It's not for residential right now. 02:06:21.860 --> 02:06:22.860 It's just for commercial. 02:06:22.860 --> 02:06:23.860 Okay. 02:06:23.860 --> 02:06:37.420 I guess Matrix, Ed has a question or a comment. 02:06:37.420 --> 02:06:40.900 I have a couple of things for the Matrix. 02:06:40.900 --> 02:06:49.860 I wanted to ask, a while back, actually last year, I asked about the carbon sequestration 02:06:49.860 --> 02:06:54.860 potential of current tree canopy, and I didn't know if that could have been answered today 02:06:54.860 --> 02:07:05.700 or what, because I was just confused, because under status it said presentation July 2023. 02:07:05.700 --> 02:07:11.100 Let me get back to you on that, because I don't think I can pull Haywood back up here. 02:07:11.100 --> 02:07:12.100 Okay. 02:07:12.100 --> 02:07:13.100 I'll get back to you on that. 02:07:13.100 --> 02:07:14.100 All right. 02:07:14.100 --> 02:07:20.420 One other thing, if I may, for the Matrix, I saw where San Antonio has established a 02:07:20.420 --> 02:07:28.500 pilot program called a Cool Pavement Program, and I looked it up on EPA website, and it's 02:07:28.500 --> 02:07:39.940 a street paving process that really remarkably reduces heat island problems, and I wanted 02:07:39.940 --> 02:07:47.300 to know if or look into whether or not the city has looked into that sort of pavement 02:07:47.300 --> 02:07:48.300 program. 02:07:48.300 --> 02:07:49.300 Okay. 02:07:49.300 --> 02:07:50.300 We can add that. 02:07:50.300 --> 02:07:51.300 Thank you. 02:07:51.300 --> 02:07:52.300 Adam, Matrix? 02:07:52.300 --> 02:07:53.300 Yeah. 02:07:53.300 --> 02:07:59.420 Just to, it says transportation is slated for August of '23. 02:07:59.420 --> 02:08:05.100 I'm just wondering if that is indeed what we're looking at, maybe next month, or? 02:08:05.100 --> 02:08:06.100 Cool. 02:08:06.100 --> 02:08:07.100 I'm working with development services. 02:08:07.100 --> 02:08:10.380 I think we're going to be able to get them here in August. 02:08:10.380 --> 02:08:11.380 Great. 02:08:11.380 --> 02:08:12.380 Thank you. 02:08:12.380 --> 02:08:13.380 Brian? 02:08:13.380 --> 02:08:14.380 Matrix? 02:08:14.380 --> 02:08:15.380 Yeah. 02:08:15.380 --> 02:08:16.380 Go ahead. 02:08:16.380 --> 02:08:17.380 Just to reiterate, get on the record. 02:08:17.380 --> 02:08:23.420 Just to reiterate, asking for that land use planning component, and the details of that 02:08:23.420 --> 02:08:28.140 that Mara said that she would provide to you, if that could be passed down to us as well. 02:08:28.140 --> 02:08:31.140 That would be super. 02:08:31.140 --> 02:08:32.140 Yes. 02:08:32.140 --> 02:08:33.140 You can do that. 02:08:33.140 --> 02:08:34.140 Okay. 02:08:34.140 --> 02:08:41.300 I would like to add to the Matrix a couple of items, and I don't know if it's too premature 02:08:41.300 --> 02:08:46.060 to ask for these things because we just saw them today in the presentation, but they were 02:08:46.060 --> 02:08:50.460 things that I thought we could go ahead and start talking about in this committee, and 02:08:50.460 --> 02:09:01.820 that would be three car-free areas, maybe as they might be proposed, and then some incentives 02:09:01.820 --> 02:09:14.260 or ideas for City of Denton employees to bike or walk to work, even what that looks like. 02:09:14.260 --> 02:09:21.780 Then the last thing is, for rebates, I know that ... I don't think that this is on there 02:09:21.780 --> 02:09:27.620 already, but for landscape, to help ... I know that there's a lot of people who want 02:09:27.620 --> 02:09:32.500 to remove their lawn, but the investment of what to replace it with or what to do after 02:09:32.500 --> 02:09:39.100 that is a lot, and so they're just kind of stuck there with half grass and half ... You 02:09:39.100 --> 02:09:41.760 know what I mean? 02:09:41.760 --> 02:09:47.940 Me being one of them, and just to have something there for people to look at, "Okay, so if 02:09:47.940 --> 02:09:54.100 I remove my lawn, is there a rebate or some kind of incentive or something that's going 02:09:54.100 --> 02:10:04.380 to help encourage residents to put in low-water landscape or drought-tolerant plants or rocks, 02:10:04.380 --> 02:10:08.940 maybe some not-even landscapes, so just if that's an option?" 02:10:08.940 --> 02:10:12.460 I know Stephen mentioned that when he talked about the one-water plan. 02:10:12.460 --> 02:10:16.660 We can look at ideas for the interim until that plan's ready. 02:10:16.660 --> 02:10:17.660 Okay. 02:10:17.660 --> 02:10:18.660 All right. 02:10:18.660 --> 02:10:19.660 Thanks. 02:10:19.660 --> 02:10:20.660 Thanks. 02:10:20.660 --> 02:10:21.660 All right. 02:10:21.660 --> 02:10:22.660 I think we're on to concluding items. 02:10:22.660 --> 02:10:30.140 Does anybody have any announcements or anything for concluding items? 02:10:30.140 --> 02:10:31.140 Any events? 02:10:31.140 --> 02:10:32.140 Anything? 02:10:32.140 --> 02:10:33.140 No? 02:10:33.140 --> 02:10:34.140 All right. 02:10:34.140 --> 02:10:42.180 Well then, we will conclude at three ... Let me get this correct, 3/11. 02:10:42.180 --> 02:10:43.380 Thank you very much, everybody.