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 Hello everyone, welcome to the sustainability framework advisory committee.

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 It is Friday July 28 2023 at one o'clock, we are in the city council work session room,

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 and we do have a quorum.

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 Today we will start with our items for individual consideration, a consider approval of the

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 may 26 2023 minutes, so you want to have any comments on those, no comments, anyone like

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 to motion to approve, I move approve, okay, second, Adam, all right, all in favor of approval

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 of the minutes, okay, and we have a change in our agenda, so we are going to be moving

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 item D receive an update from the city secretary regarding sustainability framework advisory

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 committee membership terms and appointment processes up, and then we will begin with

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 the agenda B through F after that.

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 So if we want to go ahead and open that item, okay, welcome, hi, I've only been doing boards

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 and commission vetting and appointment stuff for well less than two weeks now, so I might

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 not be the best person to ask questions, but I see that you got my card, if you have any

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 questions, please email me and I will get back to you Monday for sure on any questions,

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 and I just wanted to let you know, there appears to be three people who, terms, my glasses

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 broke, I'm wearing an old pair of glasses, so I'm having one heck of a time reading this.

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 I see that there are three people that terms end on August 31st, Edward Sofe, Brand Richter

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 and then Keely Briggs, if you would like to be considered for reappointment, we ask that

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 you just complete the online application again, which is on the webpage, and when you do that,

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 just enter your personal email and it should bring up your member details when you're reapplying,

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 and then after you finish that, if you would contact your nominating council member, and

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 I can tell you who that is if you want, see for Edward Sofe, it is Mayor Pro Tem Beck,

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 for Brand Richter, it is Brandon Chase McGee, and then for Keely Briggs, it is Chris Watts,

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 and just let them know that you have reapplied, and what they do after that is they will email

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 the city secretary's office and we put you in for vetting again, which it's really easy

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 when you reapply, because we just check your residency and then the indebtedness again,

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 and it usually takes less than two or three days and our goal is to get as many people

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 that are reapplying on the August 15th city council agenda to get them confirmed for that,

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 and vetting, we give them a week, but honestly, I push them after three days, I'll send them

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 an email today saying, hey, could you please do this, and they usually get back to me that

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 day, so usually I can get it done in about three days, but it can take up to a week for

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 the re-vetting, and also, there should be, I don't know if you guys all, you all have

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 city emails, right?

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 On June 9th, they sent out an email going over the, if you needed to, if your terms

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 were expiring, and so you might want to check that too, but honestly, all you have to do

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 is go to the webpage and reapply, and it might be in your spam, I'm not sure, I mean, it's

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 not a big deal if you just go to the website.

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 Where on the website would I go to do what I need to do?

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 When you go on the website, the way I found it this morning, I just literally searched

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 boards and commissions, got on the boards and commissions page, and then it'll just

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 have a little box that says apply, just click on that, and I think it's like in the middle

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 on the right side, and it's a yellow box.

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 If I have any problem, I'll call you.

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 And if there's any other questions, I think that's.

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 If we're not listed there, does that mean our term expires a year from then?

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 The other terms, and I'll leave this here if you want to look at it, it's just my notes,

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 and you'll probably have a better chance of reading it than I will, because I printed

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 it way too small, but it'll have your present term and the expiration dates and stuff, and

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 I'll show it to you, and like I said, I'll leave it here, no big deal.

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 There are two empty seats that need to be nominated, and I am not sure.

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 We sent out emails last week to council members saying that they have vacant spots, so, and

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 if one or two of them have been, are being vetted as we speak, I'm not sure on that.

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 All right, we will continue with our agenda and go to, back up to B, receive a report,

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 hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding climate action and adaptation plan

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 emissions, reductions, and community priorities.

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 And we are going to be doing Zoom on this item.

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 And we have Moira from SSG on with us via Zoom.

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 And I will share my screen with you now.

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 I haven't met you before.

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 My colleague Carol usually presents to you as we've been progressing through this project,

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 but I've always been there in the background watching, so I feel like I have heard from

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 I'm the project lead on the SSG team that's been working with your city administration

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 to develop the climate action and adaptation plan.

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 And we have a lot of material to cover today, but I think it's really interesting material,

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 So the last time Carol was with you, they shared some of the climate actions that we

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 So today I'll be sharing what the results of that modeling can tell us about how you

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 I'll show you how much of your emissions between now and 2050, each of the actions that we

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 discussed then will eliminate, and I'll also tell you what those actions will cost and

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 what they'll earn or save in many cases.

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 And after we've looked at each group of actions, we'll share some of the ideas that we've heard

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 So we'll begin by looking at Denton's likely greenhouse gas emissions trajectories in three

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 On this graph, the top blue line is one that you've seen before.

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 That is from 2019 to 2050 representing Denton's emissions in the businesses planned scenario.

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 That's what we call it.

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 And just to remind you of what's in that scenario, that reflects the expected growth of the community

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 with the population doubling in this timeframe.

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 For example, what the NCT cog is forecasting EV uptake will be over the next 27 years.

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 That's in that BAP line.

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 It also reflects the climate changes that we're expecting in Denton.

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 More heat waves and an overall higher average annual temperature over that time.

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 And then the implications of that on your need for air conditioning and so on.

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 And it includes work that is already planned and approved by your city administration,

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 And all of those expectations put together are reflected in that line.

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 So with doubling your population, warming climate, and so on, your emissions would be

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 This one shows you the trajectory that you would need to follow if you are to meet your

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 We've noted with a circle that in 2030, your goal is to have eliminated 46.3% of your emissions.

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 This represents Denton's trajectory if all of the climate actions that we modeled for

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 being apartments, taking fewer trips in vehicles, and more of them biking and walking, a faster

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 So the wedges that you see here are showing you different fuel types and how some of them

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 So before I show you the summary financials, I want to tell you what was included in that

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 And first of all, the numbers we show you today are costs and savings for the whole

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 Some costs will be borne by businesses, others by the city, and similarly some savings will

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 So it's a combination of all of those participants for which we're showing you the values today.

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 If you looked at it as an investment, that would be returning an average of 8.3% annually.

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 So by 2048, Denton would have 149 megawatts of rooftop solar.

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 would eliminate 96,000 tons of emissions, which is 0.4% of the total.

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 The investment is just under 200 million and the return is 292.8 million.

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 of savings on energy costs to the wastewater processing facility.

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 So overall, it would be a cost of $216 million or $58 per ton.

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 Do we have any questions?

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 I think one is the perspective that having solar locally and on your own home or on buildings

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 within your community improves your resilience tremendously.

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 option and the energy savings to them, I think, makes homeownership more affordable and is

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 and affordability.

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 So do you think it's vital or a really good idea that the city would -- continues to incentivize

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 residential solar installations?

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 I would let the city respond to that because they'll have more specific knowledge about

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 all of the factors that go into that decision, but I would say as much as a city can incentivize

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 all of these actions is positive.

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 actions are more effective than others.

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 efficient has a greater impact on emissions reductions than installing solar.

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 funding, that is a more effective way to spend dollars than rooftop solar systems.

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 But I wouldn't answer on behalf of the city.

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 I don't know -- Katherine, do you want to respond to that?

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 We have an item on the agenda today to talk about green sense.

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 So we can talk about it at that time.

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 Thank you very much.

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 I think we have a couple more questions.

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 Brian?

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 the solar question when we hit that agenda item, but I guess I also wanted a little more

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 on the renewable natural gas, since that's a really high volume of emissions that we're

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 And I'm just curious so far as the costs and kind of two questions here.

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 that that reduction target is coming from?

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 so I'm curious on -- and I don't know if this is the time to get granular on these things,

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 but the types of strategies that the city could help to push that sort of reduction

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 if this is mostly an industry concern for where that emission source is coming from?

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 we get to the slide about approaches for energy, if that's okay with you.

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 The sources of natural gas that we targeted overall in the plan are all types of buildings,

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 So that -- the RNG is not replacing that type of use of natural gas.

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 That's already been done with heat pumps.

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 The area where natural gas has unique qualities that really can't be replaced by something

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 like a heat pump is in industry, so that would include everything from vehicle manufacture

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 or steel manufacture to -- let me see, what else would I think -- well, actually, also,

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 at reducing that over time, but that would also be one of the sources, so that was seen

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 And then your other question was related to approaches, yes.

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 So remind me of that when we get to the approaches slide.

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 You're good?

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 I think we're ready to move on.

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 So challenges.

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 A challenge that's unique to Texas is the restrictions on regulating renewable energy.

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 That certainly makes it more difficult for a community to set up regulations about the

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 types of heating and cooling systems that are used in buildings.

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 A second one that comes up often and is often raised by utilities is the question of if

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 EVs are more than 77% efficient.

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 So if we look at it, the shares across three scenarios.

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 In 2050, in the BAP situation, you would have 20.5 gigajoules.

471
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:33,740
 And in the low carbon situation, you would actually have 20.47, so just slightly less.

472
00:35:33,740 --> 00:35:40,080
 So if your utility is building out sufficiently to meet the business's plan scenario, it will

473
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,960
 be enough to meet the low carbon scenario.

474
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:48,000
 Do you have any questions on that explanation?

475
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,560
 I think we do, Adam.

476
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,320
 Yeah.

477
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,120
 Can you go back one slide, please?

478
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,120
 Yes.

479
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,200
 Actually, sorry, one more.

480
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,200
 Okay.

481
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,200
 Oops.

482
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,480
 This one?

483
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:05,480
 Yeah.

484
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:12,020
 So this is my question about EVs.

485
00:36:12,020 --> 00:36:18,000
 I understand they're 77 plus efficient when you consider the electricity already being

486
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:23,080
 there and translating that electricity into forward momentum of a car.

487
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,640
 But isn't it still going to be the case that you have a lot of efficiency losses across

488
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:33,040
 the transmission and distribution lines to get the electricity to the vehicle?

489
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:39,140
 Well, that's a very strong argument to gain in favor of localizing as much of that electricity

490
00:36:39,140 --> 00:36:40,960
 as possible.

491
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,760
 So the shorter the transmission distance, the less you lose.

492
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:52,200
 But it is not, that is actually, it's included in our calculations, the losses due to transmission

493
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,960
 and distribution.

494
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:58,880
 And they're not sufficient to affect those final slides that I showed you, the ones that

495
00:36:58,880 --> 00:36:59,880
 follow.

496
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:06,000
 Okay, so that's 77 efficiency number in the slides following factor into the account,

497
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,800
 the efficiency losses across transmission and distribution lines.

498
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:10,800
 Yes.

499
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:11,800
 Okay.

500
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:12,800
 Thank you.

501
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:13,800
 Yep.

502
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:14,800
 Any other questions?

503
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:15,800
 I think we're good.

504
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:16,800
 Okay.

505
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:17,800
 All right.

506
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:29,360
 So talking about opportunities then, a lot of these ideas came to us from surveys, the

507
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,520
 survey to the community and also from focus groups.

508
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,440
 And some of them are just evident from what we've already been talking about.

509
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:43,080
 So the fact that your municipality has control of key utilities is a real opportunity because

510
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:48,760
 it gives them the ability to make decisions about what's going to happen at those utilities.

511
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:55,280
 To what extent will organics be included in anaerobic digestion and those kinds of things

512
00:37:55,280 --> 00:38:00,680
 that makes that decision making process much more straightforward?

513
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:10,120
 Renewable natural gas will allow the water reclamation plant to become a net zero emitter

514
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,440
 by 2033.

515
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:20,400
 It will also divert organic waste and it will produce zero emissions fuel for industry,

516
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,120
 which is a difficult sector of society to decarbonize.

517
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,680
 So all of those make that a real opportunity for you.

518
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:33,280
 Living in Texas, you have an abundant source of renewables and that includes both intermittent.

519
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,480
 Wind and solar are intermittent renewables, but you also have opportunities for dispatchable

520
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:38,680
 renewables.

521
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:44,480
 So you're in a good position geographically to be able to take advantage of these sources

522
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,360
 nearby.

523
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,000
 And finally, dentonites continue to be very supportive of renewable energy.

524
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:56,700
 63% of our survey respondents were interested in installing solar panels on their homes.

525
00:38:56,700 --> 00:39:03,680
 So they're still seeing the value of having those systems on their own buildings.

526
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,720
 Now approaches.

527
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:12,960
 The approaches that we're going to present to you today, we group into three categories,

528
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,580
 requiring or mandating, incentivizing or encouraging.

529
00:39:17,580 --> 00:39:24,920
 So clearly the most strong armed is the requiring, incentivizing is a little less strong and

530
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:31,560
 encouraging is quite a gentle approach to making the change happen.

531
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:40,800
 Under the require category in energy, I created this phrase, but it is in existence in the

532
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,660
 industry in general, fuel agnostic energy intensity standards.

533
00:39:44,660 --> 00:39:51,720
 So in most communities, we recommend that switching to net zero emissions, heating and

534
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:57,760
 cooling systems for space heating and cooling and for domestic water use be one of the first

535
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:02,940
 things that a city puts into its building code to make it happen, mandate it, just make

536
00:40:02,940 --> 00:40:04,500
 it unquestionable.

537
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:09,320
 You still have to educate the community and teach builders how to build to those standards.

538
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,660
 But other than that, just mandate it.

539
00:40:11,660 --> 00:40:13,560
 In Texas, we can't do that.

540
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:19,800
 So we've been talking about different ways that the city could approach requiring an

541
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:26,200
 energy intensity or an energy efficiency that's so high that only a decarbonized system would

542
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,960
 be able to meet it.

543
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,160
 So that's one of the alternatives that we're looking at, and that's going to be looked

544
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,920
 at as part of the legal evaluation that's being done in Denton.

545
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:42,200
 Some ideas for incentivizing the energy shift would include expediting permits and inspections

546
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,480
 for builders who are installing zero emission systems.

547
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:52,120
 And also the city's own opportunities to build or own zero emissions energy production on

548
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:59,300
 behalf of the community, much like it purchases REX for the DME today.

549
00:40:59,300 --> 00:41:04,160
 Encouraging could include opportunities like partnering with trade schools to train low

550
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:09,720
 income dentonites so that you both skill up those people and give them good jobs for the

551
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:14,200
 future, and you also ensure that you have enough workforce in place to be able to make

552
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,240
 these changes to your community.

553
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:22,000
 And finally, educating the community about the benefits of renewable energy.

554
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,200
 There's a lot to learn about how all of these systems work and why they're a good idea,

555
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:31,680
 and as much as you can do to move that ahead will benefit you.

556
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,080
 Now this is where I thought I could talk about the approach question that you had.

557
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,400
 What was that question again?

558
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:46,280
 That was under the renewable natural gas for industry and ways that as a municipality since

559
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:51,460
 we're looking at, you know, scope of control, that the city could help push on the industry

560
00:41:51,460 --> 00:41:56,440
 side that sort of adoption.

561
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,120
 Okay.

562
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:04,220
 That feels that I have a different answer in my head now than I had before.

563
00:42:04,220 --> 00:42:08,880
 So that also relates to the actions that we modeled for industry.

564
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:17,480
 First of all, to reduce their overall energy use before they switch to RNG.

565
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:22,360
 Actually that one, I think I'm going to hold on that question because ways to stimulate

566
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,440
 industry to make a shift to renewable natural gas.

567
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,560
 That's a complex one.

568
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,120
 So I might need to get back to you on that one, if that's all right.

569
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:32,120
 I will go.

570
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,600
 I'm not going to just let it go.

571
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:34,600
 Thank you.

572
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:35,600
 Okay.

573
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:36,600
 Okay.

574
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,520
 We do have another question.

575
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:40,520
 Okay.

576
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:41,520
 Go ahead.

577
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:47,200
 This was on your, I love the creative, fuel agnostic energy intensity standards.

578
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:53,440
 We've discussed in the past, I believe when Carol was here, that stipulation by the state

579
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:54,440
 for our situation.

580
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:59,720
 And if I'm remembering right, she had said that your firm has worked with other cities

581
00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:00,720
 within Texas.

582
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:03,360
 Is that correct?

583
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,680
 Probably in Texas, but in other states, I'm sorry that I misremembered that.

584
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:12,120
 I'm just curious if you had any, if you've seen our situation played out in a way where

585
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:16,640
 a city has creative approaches to incentivize that type of shift within buildings, since

586
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:21,560
 we can't mandate the type of energy used within a building.

587
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:26,000
 If you've seen that play out in cities that it's worked, that we have kind of a model

588
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:31,280
 to work off of, or is this going to be a little creative on the city side to push for that

589
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,540
 sort of reduction on the buildings?

590
00:43:35,540 --> 00:43:40,240
 I think creativity is going to be really important in a context like yours.

591
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:46,820
 I myself am from Alberta and our government is similar in Canada and our government is

592
00:43:46,820 --> 00:43:53,940
 similar to Texas, although we don't have a law in place limiting what cities can do with

593
00:43:53,940 --> 00:43:58,320
 regards to types of energy used within buildings.

594
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:04,440
 So we don't have this specific challenge, but what we did when I worked for the city

595
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:09,780
 of Edmonton was we worked very closely with the cities around us and the smaller communities

596
00:44:09,780 --> 00:44:16,200
 around us because the argument we heard from builders and developers was that if it was

597
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:20,440
 more expensive to build right in the city of Edmonton, then people will want to build

598
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,960
 their homes in the bedroom communities around Edmonton.

599
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:28,680
 So we worked with those communities such that they asked, they wanted to make the same changes

600
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:34,560
 we were making at the same time, and we approached the provincial government together as a unified

601
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:43,620
 region and asked or lobbied to have those changes made within our broader area.

602
00:44:43,620 --> 00:44:47,040
 And in that context, we were able to get those changes made.

603
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:53,520
 So it will take creativity and it depends very much on the local specifics.

604
00:44:53,520 --> 00:45:03,880
 This approach I think it may also work not only because fossil fuels are unable to be

605
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:10,440
 as efficient as renewable energy, but also because there's a requirement in some standards

606
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:16,420
 like a passive house standard for a very limited amount of air exchange and fossil fuels require

607
00:45:16,420 --> 00:45:19,120
 higher amounts of air exchange.

608
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:23,960
 And so that may also be one sense in which you may be able to require something which

609
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:30,880
 isn't, doesn't actually speak the word fossil fuel, but it does eliminate that that source

610
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:36,400
 of energy from the game.

611
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:44,280
 I'm not sure that quite answered your question, but no thank you.

612
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,200
 Any other thoughts here?

613
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,440
 I think we can move on.

614
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:50,600
 All right.

615
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,760
 Buildings then.

616
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:57,840
 So the two actions we modeled to reduce building emissions were firstly to retrofit all of

617
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:03,600
 the buildings in the city gradually over time, making them more energy efficient.

618
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:08,240
 And the second was to require that all new construction is net zero energy ready beginning

619
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:10,800
 in 2028.

620
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:17,660
 Further these two actions eliminate 2.8 megatons of emissions, which is 10.8% of the total

621
00:46:17,660 --> 00:46:21,920
 emissions that we eliminated.

622
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,920
 And then on top of that, once the buildings have been made more energy efficient, we modeled

623
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,920
 two additional significant changes.

624
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:36,080
 So starting in 2024, new warehouses use waste heat from industry next to them.

625
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:43,760
 And we modeled the estimated value of about 10% of their energy would be reduced.

626
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,160
 Their need for energy would be reduced by doing this.

627
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:54,240
 And on top of that, all industry reduces their energy use by 30%, either by improving motive

628
00:46:54,240 --> 00:47:01,400
 apparatus within manufacturing, process improvements, practices like turning off the lights or turning

629
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:06,680
 off motors that are allowed to run through the night, all of those sorts of things would

630
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,760
 amount to about a 30% reduction.

631
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:16,680
 Then the second change here is beginning in 2025, we would make that shift over to heat

632
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:17,720
 pumps.

633
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:26,600
 So achieving a 25% shift by 2030, 50% by 2035 and 75% by 2040.

634
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:31,520
 And again, some of these things are still are also being submitted as part of the legal

635
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:32,520
 evaluation.

636
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:37,240
 And the heat pump shift, we're also sending through as part of that, just to make sure

637
00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:40,760
 that would be something that would be feasible.

638
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:45,760
 And those changes together would eliminate 2.2 megatons.

639
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:50,960
 And that's 8.6 of the total reductions.

640
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:57,080
 Obviously here we see some actions that are net costs.

641
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:02,040
 The building's action with the greatest impact for raising the standards is raising the standards

642
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,920
 for new construction to be net zero.

643
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,480
 This makes up 7% of all of the reductions achieved.

644
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,360
 There is an incremental cost upfront.

645
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:18,440
 Net zero homes are on average 4% more expensive to build than a home built code.

646
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:23,680
 However, the energy savings vastly offset that initial incremental cost.

647
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:28,060
 So that one is still a case where you have a net savings.

648
00:48:28,060 --> 00:48:33,920
 And it's the homeowner who is going to experience the value of that saving.

649
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:39,000
 The changes to industry are also a net savings, which is actually a strong incentive to them

650
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:45,640
 to make performance and energy efficiency improvements before they switch to a new fuel

651
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,800
 type.

652
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,600
 It's important, though, when you look at the two items, the retrofitting and the switching

653
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:58,420
 to heat pumps and noticing the fact that those have a higher cost associated with them.

654
00:48:58,420 --> 00:49:00,360
 It's important to remember a couple of things.

655
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,940
 Firstly, when heat pumps are combined with net zero construction, the overall finances

656
00:49:04,940 --> 00:49:07,040
 are still a significant savings.

657
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:16,340
 So the overall cost is still much less than the benefit that's realized from the savings.

658
00:49:16,340 --> 00:49:21,840
 And secondly, the retrofitting of buildings can't be seen as optional in any net zero

659
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,480
 plan.

660
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:30,000
 Existing buildings produced 22% of Denton's emissions in 2019, and you aren't going to

661
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:37,120
 get to any sort of net zero situation unless the leakage of heat and cool air out of those

662
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,560
 buildings is addressed.

663
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,520
 On the bright side, though, there is significant funding available right now through the IRA

664
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:49,560
 to make those changes, and doing so makes those homes healthier, more comfortable, and

665
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:50,840
 longer lasting.

666
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:56,080
 And all of those things are very important, particularly to communities that have less

667
00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:00,220
 money to invest in a brand new home.

668
00:50:00,220 --> 00:50:03,680
 And I will do the next -- oh, no, shall I stop on that financial slide?

669
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:08,600
 Were there any specific questions there?

670
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,600
 >> I think we can continue.

671
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:11,600
 >> Okay.

672
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:12,600
 All right.

673
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:17,920
 This shows you the drop in emissions from buildings specifically in the low carbon scenario.

674
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:23,400
 So you can see there's a dramatic drop, and that it crosses all building types right out

675
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,560
 to 2050.

676
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:31,080
 And from a homeowner's perspective, the green line on this slide shows us how the average

677
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:36,600
 energy used in a Denton household will fall over time as the retrofits continue and building

678
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,760
 standards rise.

679
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:43,960
 As shown relative to the BAP, which is the blue line on the top, overall, the decrease

680
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:51,400
 is 55% in energy use in an average household, which means that the household costs and overall

681
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:58,680
 house ownership affordability improves.

682
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,440
 Challenges regarding buildings.

683
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,920
 As we've mentioned already, the upfront costs can be high.

684
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,800
 And for lower income people in particular, that can be a barrier.

685
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:12,520
 There is a risk that rent could be increased after upgrades are made to a building, although

686
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:17,800
 there may be ways for the city to try and mitigate that risk.

687
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,960
 People need education about the benefits of these changes and about what the impact of

688
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,880
 the logistics of going through a retrofit will be.

689
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,040
 The changes need to be normalized, I suppose.

690
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:32,560
 They need to get used to seeing these changes happen around them and the fact that people

691
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,960
 benefit from them after they're completed.

692
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:42,360
 And the construction workforce will need training, they'll need to be brought up to newer standards

693
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:47,920
 and that will need to happen quickly.

694
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,800
 There are opportunities, though, too.

695
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:55,280
 So improved health and comfort, particularly for vulnerable people, as well as being able

696
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:02,240
 to ensure that people are able to cool themselves in their homes when outdoor temperatures rise.

697
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:08,200
 You also have a large student population and they need opportunities to earn microcredits

698
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,660
 and to complete practical elements of their programs.

699
00:52:11,660 --> 00:52:16,480
 This is an inexpensive workforce that you should draw upon to educate and support the

700
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:21,040
 population in understanding and becoming part of making these changes.

701
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,920
 You're also preparing those students to become the leaders of tomorrow and making sure that

702
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:31,960
 they have practical experience in working in a zero emissions community.

703
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,640
 And it's also important to note that 65% of our survey respondents were interested in

704
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:41,340
 improving the insulation in their homes to prevent the loss of heated and cooled air.

705
00:52:41,340 --> 00:52:46,460
 This was the action that they were most interested in, actually, closely followed by installing

706
00:52:46,460 --> 00:52:48,760
 more efficient windows and doors.

707
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,800
 And these are relatively simple actions to complete and there's funding available for

708
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:53,800
 them.

709
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,640
 So this represents a tremendous opportunity for Denton to reduce its emissions, make buildings

710
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,640
 more affordable and improve living conditions.

711
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:07,760
 And we've also seen that energy costs decrease and the building's value increases, which

712
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:12,240
 increases resale value.

713
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:16,760
 So approaches to making these changes in buildings.

714
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:20,720
 In these three categories again, we'll start with require.

715
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:25,480
 The city can lead, show leadership by requiring that all of its buildings in the future be

716
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,840
 built to net zero standards and they can make that happen as quickly as possible.

717
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:35,280
 And then shortly thereafter, require that of all new buildings in the community as well.

718
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:40,440
 We've highlighted that these are also ideas that are being evaluated, going through a

719
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,760
 legal evaluation.

720
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,960
 Incentivizing approaches include promoting pace in Denton, which I believe you're going

721
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,880
 to hear more about later today.

722
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:53,240
 That's a very effective program and I would encourage you to take advantage of it and

723
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:56,640
 promote it as much as you possibly can.

724
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:01,000
 The city can also continue its funding for energy efficiency upgrades.

725
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,800
 And actually, as I mentioned earlier, dollar for dollar retrofitting eliminates more emissions

726
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,880
 than simply installing a solar system.

727
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:11,000
 So those programs should definitely continue.

728
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:17,720
 And then in the encourage category, there's education again.

729
00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:22,920
 And focus group participants emphasize that Dentonites really like to get behind small

730
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,080
 businesses, small local businesses.

731
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:30,960
 So supporting and celebrating small commercial businesses that make changes to become more

732
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:37,760
 energy efficient and to switch to zero emission systems will really make a difference in encouraging

733
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,720
 others to make the same changes.

734
00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:43,980
 So now that's the building section.

735
00:54:43,980 --> 00:54:45,440
 So I'll stop there again.

736
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,440
 Are there any questions that error or comments?

737
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:49,440
 Go ahead, Brian.

738
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:54,760
 Yeah, I was just curious, especially on this issue, if you could kind of vocalize some

739
00:54:54,760 --> 00:55:00,240
 of the equity challenges that we might also be considering, especially on this and incentivation

740
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:05,240
 and the requirement program as far as housing affordability goes.

741
00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:11,520
 Yes, there are lots of approaches to doing that.

742
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:18,560
 I think multi-use residential buildings are a great opportunity for cities to step in

743
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:24,960
 with funding or to coordinate funding with other levels of government and also to assist

744
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:30,320
 communities in accessing the funding that will be available directly to citizens to

745
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:37,480
 make these kinds of changes, especially in cases where they may not be very comfortable

746
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:41,600
 trying to find that information on their own or applying for that kind of funding.

747
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:48,200
 I think a lot of the IRA funding targets these kinds of opportunities, but it may not be

748
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:52,680
 easy for the kinds of people who need it most if they're living in really low quality housing

749
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,860
 to necessarily access that funding easily.

750
00:55:55,860 --> 00:56:01,960
 So the city can definitely act as a facilitator to help people access that funding and get

751
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:06,920
 that work coordinated without an unreasonable amount of impact to someone who's not used

752
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,960
 to handling that kind of organization.

753
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,660
 So that would definitely be one of the things that I would I would encourage you to do.

754
00:56:13,660 --> 00:56:20,240
 There are also other opportunities like using city zoning to require small homes and also

755
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:25,760
 to require small homes that are close to essential services to require that essential services

756
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:32,800
 and food are available in all neighborhoods in the city and even things like simplifying

757
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:41,600
 applications that the city uses or that the city asks people to use to make it as simple

758
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:46,360
 as possible for people to apply for funding related to this from the city itself.

759
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:47,900
 Those would those would all be ideas.

760
00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:50,880
 Some of those came from the community and some of those are my own.

761
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,840
 Is that what you were looking for?

762
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:53,840
 Yes.

763
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:54,840
 Thank you.

764
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:55,840
 Okay.

765
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,840
 Go ahead.

766
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:04,000
 Yeah I had a question of sort of along the same lines and this might be a question for

767
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:13,000
 the city but I wondered if you had had any information regarding how many substandard

768
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:20,320
 homes there are in Denton now that would could take advantage of the incentivization program

769
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:28,560
 for making their homes more energy efficient.

770
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,680
 That would be a city question.

771
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:34,800
 Okay thank you.

772
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:39,440
 I don't have those numbers right now but that's something I can work with community development

773
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,680
 see if they have anything that they could share with us.

774
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:42,680
 That'd be great.

775
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,720
 I'm not sure if that exists but we can ask.

776
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:47,720
 Thanks.

777
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:53,160
 I have a question too in in regards to kind of affordability.

778
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:59,520
 So in other cities that you've worked on have you come across builders or anyone in new

779
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:07,840
 construction saying that those requirements are too restrictive to keep the project affordable

780
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:14,040
 and if so like how I mean I guess is incentivizing or zoning is that is that the only way is

781
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:21,000
 that the way we deal with that or do they eventually come around.

782
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:22,840
 I have absolutely run into that.

783
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:27,400
 That's a very common problem that developers and builders say it's too expensive to build

784
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:32,720
 to these standards and I would say you need to use every all of the tools you just mentioned

785
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:34,840
 there.

786
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:39,960
 Education is really important because frankly some builders just aren't familiar with standards

787
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:48,200
 with standards this high and with the technologies that are used and with how affordable and

788
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:54,080
 how simple they are to use how much progress has been made in building to a net zero standard.

789
00:58:54,080 --> 00:59:00,200
 It's as I mentioned I come from a very northerly climate and I there are net zero homes that

790
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:08,080
 I have been in that that are perfectly warm in a minus 40 degrees day and people think

791
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:12,480
 that is impossible and it really the building industry has come far enough that those things

792
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:17,280
 can be done and the incremental cost is literally only four percent now.

793
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,920
 So I think education is a big part of it.

794
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:26,200
 I think getting those people involved in understanding why this is being done is also important.

795
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:32,720
 So really kind of taking the bull by the horns and working with the building industry to

796
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:37,840
 have them understand why this work is being done also is among the builder among the builders

797
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:43,220
 and having them work with their colleagues to help them understand is very effective.

798
00:59:43,220 --> 00:59:48,280
 But ultimately you will probably always have some people or some entities that push back

799
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:53,320
 and that's why we often recommend that if at all possible you just you make it a rule

800
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:54,320
 ultimately.

801
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:59,880
 You know you put in place a rule that they have to follow but certainly not without trying

802
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:02,680
 to bring them on board as much as you can.

803
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,520
 Okay thank you.

804
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:12,600
 I think we're good thank you.

805
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:19,840
 All right transportation our first transportation actions included changes to mode share.

806
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:26,680
 So with the number of people working from home rising to 8 percent by 2030 and the number

807
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:32,040
 of trips being biked or walked rising from less than 8 percent to 12 percent by 2030

808
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:38,480
 and then to 20 percent by 2050 and simultaneously the number of trips taken in single occupant

809
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:45,760
 vehicles would be falling from 86 percent which is what it is now to 72 percent.

810
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:52,400
 Then we also included establishing three areas of the city which would be car free so they

811
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:58,960
 would become areas where only pedestrians and bikes as well as emergency vehicles would

812
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,960
 be admitted.

813
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:06,720
 Then we also modeled a reduction of the city fleet so a reduction in the number of vehicles

814
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:11,680
 and also a conversion of its fleet to zero emissions vehicles over time 60 percent of

815
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:17,280
 them being zero emissions by 2030 and then 100 percent by 2050.

816
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,720
 And these three action or yes these actions together eliminated just under half a million

817
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:27,040
 tons of emissions tons spelt the Canadian way there sorry about that.

818
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:33,960
 And that worked out to about two percent of total emissions eliminated.

819
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:37,720
 And then we also looked at the vehicles themselves.

820
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:43,520
 So for those trips that still need to be taken in vehicles we needed to decarbonize the vehicles.

821
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:48,560
 So on the same schedule as the Denton fleet we modeled 60 percent of new vehicles that

822
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:53,920
 are registered in Denton being zero emissions by 2030 and that would rise to 100 percent

823
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,720
 by 2050.

824
01:01:55,720 --> 01:02:02,480
 We do still have vehicles in the fleet in 2050 that are leftovers so we didn't take

825
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:08,440
 away all of the existing ICE vehicles or retire them and that would be another option if you

826
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:12,760
 have the authority to do that but that is not included here.

827
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:17,040
 And then in terms of shared transportation we modeled GoZone vehicles becoming fully

828
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:24,520
 electric by 2025, transit by 2030 and the train by 2035.

829
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:31,600
 And all of these actions together eliminated a huge amount of emissions so 14.9 megatons

830
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:39,500
 which is 57.5 percent of the total emissions that we eliminated.

831
01:02:39,500 --> 01:02:45,520
 All of the actions all of the transportation actions are net savers of money.

832
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:50,760
 Many of them also require relatively small investments and have funding available right

833
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:54,520
 now from the IRA or very soon I should say.

834
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,920
 So if we look at these I'm just going to pull out some of the highlights.

835
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:03,600
 Creating car free zones is an excellent example of a relatively low cost action that creates

836
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:05,280
 tremendous savings.

837
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:11,800
 So the costs are generally limited to staff time, education and signage and barriers.

838
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:18,160
 And yet it creates spaces that people enjoy it can generally result in more money being

839
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:24,060
 spent at the businesses within those areas than is the case when there is vehicle access.

840
01:03:24,060 --> 01:03:31,020
 And it definitely provides opportunities for excellent active transportation infrastructure

841
01:03:31,020 --> 01:03:36,840
 to be built within those areas and then also to expand out into a broader network of active

842
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,040
 transportation.

843
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:43,700
 Decarbonizing and downsizing the city fleet is something I always strongly encourage cities

844
01:03:43,700 --> 01:03:47,800
 to do and to finish as fast as they can.

845
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:53,900
 The savings in maintenance and fuel are tremendous and so the upfront investment usually pays

846
01:03:53,900 --> 01:03:58,360
 for itself within I would say three to four years.

847
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,280
 And that includes all of the charging infrastructure as well.

848
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,320
 And from that point on the vehicle is virtually free.

849
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:09,360
 So the operational savings that are freed up from not having to fuel vehicles and only

850
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,560
 having to service them about what is it?

851
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:17,640
 I don't remember what the exact number is now but much less frequently.

852
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:22,600
 Those operational savings can be freed up for uses elsewhere in the city making better

853
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:28,600
 use of citizens' tax dollars as well.

854
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:32,880
 Decarbonizing vehicles is the single most powerful action that we modeled.

855
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:36,580
 It made up 49% of the total emission reductions.

856
01:04:36,580 --> 01:04:41,000
 And decarbonizing commercial vehicles, transit and the train also make significant impacts

857
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,160
 on Denton's emissions.

858
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:50,200
 And those two are ultimately net savings.

859
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:55,920
 So why is transportation still a roadblock to reaching your 2030 target?

860
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,040
 Part of the answer lies in this graph.

861
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:05,280
 The number of vehicles that you have in 2019 total is shown by the left bar.

862
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:09,240
 And the number of vehicles you have in the low carbon scenario in 2050 is shown by the

863
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:11,140
 right bar.

864
01:05:11,140 --> 01:05:16,040
 So the total number of vehicles still increases by 36%.

865
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:21,280
 The number of light trucks increases by 185%.

866
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:31,280
 And the total number of vehicles goes from 60,000, just under 60,000 to 116,000 in 2050.

867
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:36,520
 So I think it's a question of car culture and also of the infrastructure that's already

868
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:40,960
 in place, the distances that have to be traveled and so on.

869
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:46,520
 And the question becomes, how do we make an impact on that such that people feel that

870
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:52,040
 it's actually an easier alternative to take a different route or a different mode of transport

871
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:56,280
 to get from one place to another?

872
01:05:56,280 --> 01:06:00,920
 The message here, another message here being that even though we've accelerated the uptake

873
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:08,680
 of EVs, you still have simply so many vehicles within Denton that the remaining ICE vehicles

874
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:15,160
 are producing a tremendous amount of emissions.

875
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:20,920
 So if we're going to hit the 2030 target, we really need to shift to more active transportation.

876
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:25,200
 And if you can't do that outside of the city and all of your connecting networks to Dallas

877
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:31,920
 and so on, it will be important to focus those efforts within the community as much as possible

878
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:41,240
 to do what you can with the trips that occur within the boundaries of the city.

879
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:46,400
 Challenges for transportation, achieving the 2030 goal needs a big shift away from vehicles

880
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,160
 overall.

881
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:53,840
 And I just want to make a few general points here about how to shift away from vehicles.

882
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:59,400
 Denton borders are an extremely large city and much of your transportation network is

883
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:04,100
 beyond your control, so even your transit you have very little control over.

884
01:07:04,100 --> 01:07:08,720
 And in that context, increasing the size of freeways, which I understand is something

885
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:14,840
 that's underway for one of your freeways, will make it more difficult even for you to

886
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:18,680
 work with this transportation challenge that you have.

887
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:24,080
 Freeways, widening them or expanding them always only results in them filling up again

888
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:31,300
 almost immediately with more vehicles, making more trips and ultimately not reducing congestion.

889
01:07:31,300 --> 01:07:36,840
 People respond behaviorally to the information that a freeway is being expanded by saying,

890
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:42,480
 oh good, they've made more space, let's take the car and the freeway fills up again.

891
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:48,120
 So this is a lesson that's been learned over and over again, but the freeway expansion

892
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:53,400
 isn't something that's within Denton's control.

893
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:58,160
 So that isn't something that is going to be easy for you to resolve, but it's something

894
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:02,980
 that is valuable to be aware of as you're communicating your own feelings about these

895
01:08:02,980 --> 01:08:07,780
 things to the people who are in control of those decisions.

896
01:08:07,780 --> 01:08:12,920
 Other challenges include the capital cost of EVs, that's falling and it's forecasted

897
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:20,400
 by about 2031, they will be on par with an ICE vehicle, so it will get better.

898
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:25,680
 Meaning the lack of control over transit training goes on and the car culture of North America

899
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:30,240
 in general makes it a challenge.

900
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:37,040
 Opportunities, there is strong community support and desire for expanded active transportation.

901
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:41,800
 The fact that your community is made up of a large number of students also means you've

902
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:46,440
 lots of people who haven't owned a vehicle or haven't owned one for very long and changing

903
01:08:46,440 --> 01:08:50,480
 those people's habits is much easier than changing the transportation patterns of people

904
01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:53,800
 who've driven for decades.

905
01:08:53,800 --> 01:09:00,720
 Active transportation is inexpensive, it improves equity, it will also give you opportunities

906
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:06,360
 to encourage local businesses like Bunch Bikes and also Peterbilt.

907
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:12,480
 So from one end to the other, from cargo bikes to large trucks, you have local businesses

908
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:15,960
 who can benefit and support this change.

909
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:20,600
 Changing city vehicles, electric vehicles, as they're changed is a very powerful way

910
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:28,040
 to normalize the idea that electric vehicles are reliable and are being used even by the

911
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,560
 government.

912
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:35,360
 Significant IRA funding is available, especially for chargers, I think.

913
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:39,440
 So that's an opportunity to mitigate the costs.

914
01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:45,240
 And there are a variety of approaches, especially if you want to decrease vehicle trips in the

915
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:48,400
 near term, as quickly as you can.

916
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:54,560
 One of the best ways of doing that is by introducing restrictions on parking or costs for parking.

917
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:58,960
 And we'll talk about that in the next slide here.

918
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:06,980
 So approaches, things that the city can require, having groceries and essential services within

919
01:10:06,980 --> 01:10:11,880
 walking and biking distance in all neighborhoods and making that a requirement in terms of

920
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:15,500
 how new neighborhoods are designed.

921
01:10:15,500 --> 01:10:21,400
 Having parking for bikes that is proportional to the mode share that you want bikes to occupy.

922
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:27,360
 So if you want 20% of trips in the city to be taken on bike, you need to provide parking

923
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:32,240
 for that many bikes at all of the locations that they're going to be going to.

924
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:37,280
 And that should be taken out of the parking that's currently being given to vehicles.

925
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:43,560
 That helps make it easier to take a bike than to take a car.

926
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:50,140
 Eliminating parking minimums and then a suggestion that has been extremely effective in many

927
01:10:50,140 --> 01:10:55,240
 places is to charge for all of your public parking.

928
01:10:55,240 --> 01:11:01,320
 Implement a charge for all of it and increase the cost of it for ICE vehicles.

929
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:07,560
 Make it higher initially and over time increase that cost for ICE vehicles.

930
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:16,720
 Although there is always opposition to that, there's also always a strong reaction by purchasing

931
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:21,060
 an electric vehicle or choosing an alternative mode of transportation.

932
01:11:21,060 --> 01:11:25,520
 And it's proven very effective in changing the number, lowering the number of vehicles

933
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,760
 in a city.

934
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:32,580
 Incentivized, you can support location efficient mortgages.

935
01:11:32,580 --> 01:11:34,800
 This might be a matter of advocating for them.

936
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:40,400
 So that would be supporting cases in which someone is their home is going to be located

937
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:48,680
 close enough to essential services that the bank will allow them to take on a higher mortgage

938
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:53,700
 as a proportion of their earnings because they know that less money from their earnings

939
01:11:53,700 --> 01:11:56,640
 is going to be needed for transportation.

940
01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:02,020
 So that's something that was raised in our focus groups as an option.

941
01:12:02,020 --> 01:12:05,660
 I don't know much about them, but I thought I would share it with you.

942
01:12:05,660 --> 01:12:11,060
 And then the encouragement angle on this is to involve your communities in designing active

943
01:12:11,060 --> 01:12:13,860
 transportation and alternative uses for parking.

944
01:12:13,860 --> 01:12:19,220
 So as you shift how you use the space in your city, let the communities be part of that.

945
01:12:19,220 --> 01:12:27,560
 And one community that has discovered all sorts of creativity by doing this is San Francisco.

946
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:31,600
 They oh, I have to double check that might be San Diego.

947
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:37,040
 One of the two has been gotten communities very involved in deciding how in within their

948
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:42,260
 community that new space will be used as they take away parking.

949
01:12:42,260 --> 01:12:48,540
 And they've found that it makes the transition away from having that parking much easier.

950
01:12:48,540 --> 01:12:50,820
 So those are just some ideas.

951
01:12:50,820 --> 01:12:55,420
 And I'm curious as to whether you have thoughts at this point then.

952
01:12:55,420 --> 01:12:59,700
 We do have some questions, Brian.

953
01:12:59,700 --> 01:13:05,860
 Yeah, so I heard you speak for the last like 20 minutes about the no, no, no, no, this

954
01:13:05,860 --> 01:13:07,260
 was a positive point.

955
01:13:07,260 --> 01:13:11,920
 Thank you for speaking for the last 20 minutes on the effectiveness of active transit and

956
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:15,220
 these other strategies for the emissions reductions targets we're going for.

957
01:13:15,220 --> 01:13:19,980
 I'm just curious so far as a selling point for especially on the mode shift, how the

958
01:13:19,980 --> 01:13:28,100
 model returned a 1% emissions reduction for the mode shift category, but a 49% reduction

959
01:13:28,100 --> 01:13:33,140
 on the I believe it was the conversion over to EVs.

960
01:13:33,140 --> 01:13:38,980
 And I know again, you spent a lot of time talking about a mode shift response, but it's

961
01:13:38,980 --> 01:13:44,100
 a selling point for this plan I think is really the emissions reduction and the targets we're

962
01:13:44,100 --> 01:13:45,100
 trying to hit.

963
01:13:45,100 --> 01:13:49,060
 But if you could go into details to why that was what the model returned when, you know,

964
01:13:49,060 --> 01:13:53,140
 we were talking over and over about strategies for incentivizing walking, biking and other

965
01:13:53,140 --> 01:13:54,780
 active transit forms.

966
01:13:54,780 --> 01:13:56,260
 Yeah, yeah.

967
01:13:56,260 --> 01:14:01,180
 So the reality of trips that are taken using active transportation is that they generally

968
01:14:01,180 --> 01:14:09,020
 walking trips are generally taken between one and two or oh, I have to use miles.

969
01:14:09,020 --> 01:14:13,920
 Two miles would be the maximum that would be walked in general that you could expect

970
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,020
 people to walk.

971
01:14:16,020 --> 01:14:21,020
 And from a cycling perspective, it would be more like about seven miles would be the maximum

972
01:14:21,020 --> 01:14:22,900
 that you would expect.

973
01:14:22,900 --> 01:14:28,300
 So trips, although we transitioned a proportion of the total number of trips, it will have

974
01:14:28,300 --> 01:14:32,420
 been the short trips that are transitioned to active transportation.

975
01:14:32,420 --> 01:14:35,460
 The long trips are still relying on vehicles.

976
01:14:35,460 --> 01:14:43,300
 And for that reason, there's a disproportionate disproportionately high amount of emissions

977
01:14:43,300 --> 01:14:45,460
 in those remaining vehicle trips.

978
01:14:45,460 --> 01:14:50,820
 So we can move a lot of people to short walking trips, and it doesn't eliminate as much emissions

979
01:14:50,820 --> 01:14:57,020
 as as the as the vehicles create if you're if you're understanding what I'm saying.

980
01:14:57,020 --> 01:14:58,540
 So it's unfortunate.

981
01:14:58,540 --> 01:15:04,200
 And the way that I tried to counteract it is by really emphasizing the other benefits

982
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:05,760
 of active transportation.

983
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:15,340
 So we understand I've read studies from Australia about investments in active transportation

984
01:15:15,340 --> 01:15:22,060
 that have shown for every dollar invested in infrastructure, active transportation infrastructure,

985
01:15:22,060 --> 01:15:29,020
 you'll see at least six dollars in savings in the health care associated with medical

986
01:15:29,020 --> 01:15:32,780
 conditions that are directly related to inactivity.

987
01:15:32,780 --> 01:15:37,240
 So if we could start incorporating some of those benefits, I think the it would become

988
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:39,460
 an even more compelling picture.

989
01:15:39,460 --> 01:15:48,100
 I think the the enjoyability of living in a city that is not congested and the air quality

990
01:15:48,100 --> 01:15:55,540
 that is improved in those kinds of situations are all things that you should draw upon and

991
01:15:55,540 --> 01:16:02,300
 do research on and integrate into your your own arguments to compel people to help them

992
01:16:02,300 --> 01:16:06,220
 feel like this is a really positive thing.

993
01:16:06,220 --> 01:16:12,940
 Mental health, there are all kinds of angles you can take on this that make it so beneficial.

994
01:16:12,940 --> 01:16:15,620
 And there are also interesting incentive programs.

995
01:16:15,620 --> 01:16:19,980
 You can look within the states, there are all kinds of programs as well, paying people

996
01:16:19,980 --> 01:16:26,340
 to bike to work rather than take their vehicles or giving them free ice cream and beer in

997
01:16:26,340 --> 01:16:31,140
 Italy was one I heard of that I liked, but there there are all kinds of ideas that can

998
01:16:31,140 --> 01:16:37,620
 just help people get over the reluctance initially and make the most of it.

999
01:16:37,620 --> 01:16:43,580
 But the emissions picture is still definitely overwhelmed just by the distance that a vehicle

1000
01:16:43,580 --> 01:16:44,940
 will travel.

1001
01:16:44,940 --> 01:16:46,940
 Thank you for getting a granular there.

1002
01:16:46,940 --> 01:16:51,460
 Yeah, I hope maybe in the land use section, we might see a little more on the incentivizing

1003
01:16:51,460 --> 01:16:52,460
 mode shift.

1004
01:16:52,460 --> 01:16:53,820
 But thank you again.

1005
01:16:53,820 --> 01:16:54,820
 Yeah.

1006
01:16:54,820 --> 01:17:04,300
 I do have one question just for clarification on page 30.

1007
01:17:04,300 --> 01:17:08,980
 And you did mention this a little bit, the highways and what we have control over what

1008
01:17:08,980 --> 01:17:14,340
 we don't is 35 included in any of this data.

1009
01:17:14,340 --> 01:17:20,220
 And when you talk about heavy trucks, is that 18 wheelers that are traveling on these highways

1010
01:17:20,220 --> 01:17:26,820
 and freeways through our city or is this just small local streets?

1011
01:17:26,820 --> 01:17:33,280
 So transportation through the city on the highways is included in this modeling, definitely.

1012
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:38,700
 And freight vehicles, I could get you the exact classes that that refers to, I don't

1013
01:17:38,700 --> 01:17:41,060
 know them offhand.

1014
01:17:41,060 --> 01:17:45,940
 But it would be any vehicle that's being used for transportation of goods rather than passengers.

1015
01:17:45,940 --> 01:17:46,940
 Okay.

1016
01:17:46,940 --> 01:17:47,940
 All right.

1017
01:17:47,940 --> 01:17:53,740
 Is there another one?

1018
01:17:53,740 --> 01:17:56,140
 Yeah, we have one more.

1019
01:17:56,140 --> 01:18:03,660
 I don't see any, unless my eyes are deceiving me, I don't see any colors for light trucks

1020
01:18:03,660 --> 01:18:04,980
 or in the graphs.

1021
01:18:04,980 --> 01:18:09,780
 I see the heavy trucks, but I assume light trucks or pickup trucks and vans, things like

1022
01:18:09,780 --> 01:18:10,780
 that?

1023
01:18:10,780 --> 01:18:11,780
 Yes.

1024
01:18:11,780 --> 01:18:14,440
 And actually, so cars is on the bottom.

1025
01:18:14,440 --> 01:18:15,440
 That's the pale blue.

1026
01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:17,200
 I should use better colors.

1027
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,100
 Light trucks is the bar above that.

1028
01:18:19,100 --> 01:18:20,820
 It's a darker blue.

1029
01:18:20,820 --> 01:18:24,260
 And heavy trucks is invisible because it's a very small number.

1030
01:18:24,260 --> 01:18:25,260
 Oh, okay.

1031
01:18:25,260 --> 01:18:26,260
 I didn't see that.

1032
01:18:26,260 --> 01:18:27,260
 You're a good optometrist.

1033
01:18:27,260 --> 01:18:28,260
 Yeah.

1034
01:18:28,260 --> 01:18:29,260
 But not a good color changer.

1035
01:18:29,260 --> 01:18:30,260
 I still can't see the difference.

1036
01:18:30,260 --> 01:18:31,260
 Yeah, I don't see it either, really.

1037
01:18:31,260 --> 01:18:34,260
 It's not translating very well on the screen.

1038
01:18:34,260 --> 01:18:35,260
 Okay.

1039
01:18:35,260 --> 01:18:36,260
 I will change those colors in the future.

1040
01:18:36,260 --> 01:18:37,260
 Okay.

1041
01:18:37,260 --> 01:18:38,260
 Thank you.

1042
01:18:38,260 --> 01:18:39,260
 Yeah.

1043
01:18:39,260 --> 01:18:40,260
 Thank you.

1044
01:18:40,260 --> 01:18:48,660
 Any other questions on this section?

1045
01:18:48,660 --> 01:18:55,040
 I think we're ready to continue.

1046
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:57,740
 And should I be speeding up to finish this quickly?

1047
01:18:57,740 --> 01:18:59,820
 I think I've taken more than my time, probably.

1048
01:18:59,820 --> 01:19:02,220
 Yeah, we could go ahead and finish.

1049
01:19:02,220 --> 01:19:06,700
 And then if we have any more questions at the end, we could do that.

1050
01:19:06,700 --> 01:19:07,700
 Okay.

1051
01:19:07,700 --> 01:19:08,700
 All right.

1052
01:19:08,700 --> 01:19:11,660
 I will go back to where I was.

1053
01:19:11,660 --> 01:19:15,740
 So water, solid waste and wastewater is the last category.

1054
01:19:15,740 --> 01:19:20,420
 And actually, I'm going to stop just because you mentioned you wanted to see the land use

1055
01:19:20,420 --> 01:19:23,220
 section, someone who just asked one of the questions.

1056
01:19:23,220 --> 01:19:28,100
 Land use was built into or was included within our description of the buildings.

1057
01:19:28,100 --> 01:19:33,180
 So if you would like more detail on how the land use actions, actually what their emissions

1058
01:19:33,180 --> 01:19:36,840
 impacts were, I could share that with you separately and I'll get that information to

1059
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:38,720
 Catherine so that it can be shared.

1060
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:39,940
 I think we have a comment.

1061
01:19:39,940 --> 01:19:40,940
 Was that request?

1062
01:19:40,940 --> 01:19:41,940
 Sorry?

1063
01:19:41,940 --> 01:19:46,180
 Yes, I can make a request for that later.

1064
01:19:46,180 --> 01:19:47,180
 Thank you.

1065
01:19:47,180 --> 01:19:48,180
 Okay.

1066
01:19:48,180 --> 01:19:49,180
 Okay.

1067
01:19:49,180 --> 01:19:57,500
 So the actions we modeled for you for water and waste included decreasing waste per capita

1068
01:19:57,500 --> 01:20:06,820
 by 40% by 2040, and increasing waste diversion to 50% by 2030, and then also reducing potable

1069
01:20:06,820 --> 01:20:09,760
 water, first of all, lost due to leaks.

1070
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:13,700
 And then secondly, the total amount used per capita.

1071
01:20:13,700 --> 01:20:20,380
 And those four actions together gave you about a megaton of emission reductions, which was

1072
01:20:20,380 --> 01:20:24,340
 about 4% of the total.

1073
01:20:24,340 --> 01:20:30,300
 The cost there, both of these experienced savings, so decreasing waste, the investment

1074
01:20:30,300 --> 01:20:35,420
 was about a half a million and the return is about 2.2 million.

1075
01:20:35,420 --> 01:20:39,460
 And decreasing water consumption, again, the investment is about half a million and the

1076
01:20:39,460 --> 01:20:42,500
 return is about 2.6 million.

1077
01:20:42,500 --> 01:20:49,020
 And you can see that the decreasing waste has a much larger emissions impact than decreasing

1078
01:20:49,020 --> 01:20:50,700
 water consumption.

1079
01:20:50,700 --> 01:20:55,980
 The argument for decreasing water consumption as part of this is probably stronger in the

1080
01:20:55,980 --> 01:21:02,300
 context of preparing for future cases, for future circumstances in which water becomes

1081
01:21:02,300 --> 01:21:05,420
 increasingly scarce and more desirable.

1082
01:21:05,420 --> 01:21:09,220
 And you're going to want to be in a position where you can meet all your needs with the

1083
01:21:09,220 --> 01:21:16,400
 water supply that you have, even as that water supply decreases.

1084
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:24,160
 So approaches to this, we suggested requiring recycling from all commercial buildings, increasing

1085
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:29,500
 the costs over time for waste collection as a way of encouraging people to divert rather

1086
01:21:29,500 --> 01:21:34,100
 than just throw their waste away.

1087
01:21:34,100 --> 01:21:38,500
 Incentivization programs that involve taking what we used to think of as waste and turning

1088
01:21:38,500 --> 01:21:40,580
 it into something that's still useful.

1089
01:21:40,580 --> 01:21:45,020
 And an example of this that I've seen in a few places is creating programs that fix up

1090
01:21:45,020 --> 01:21:49,740
 or places that fix up old bikes and they teach people how to take care of them.

1091
01:21:49,740 --> 01:21:53,340
 And then they give them away or they sell them inexpensively to those who don't have

1092
01:21:53,340 --> 01:21:59,100
 other modes of transportation and who can't afford to buy a new bike.

1093
01:21:59,100 --> 01:22:04,140
 And encouraging, I would say, programs that allow people to share things like tools and

1094
01:22:04,140 --> 01:22:10,740
 lawnmowers and any sort of item that you have to purchase that's made abroad and then has

1095
01:22:10,740 --> 01:22:14,000
 to be shipped to you, but you only use it occasionally.

1096
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:18,060
 As much as those things can be shared is a good thing.

1097
01:22:18,060 --> 01:22:25,020
 It reduces us throwing away these items when we're done with them, but it also reduces

1098
01:22:25,020 --> 01:22:29,300
 what we call consumption-based emissions, which are emissions that are produced when

1099
01:22:29,300 --> 01:22:34,460
 you order something from far away and it has to be made abroad or made a ways away and

1100
01:22:34,460 --> 01:22:36,320
 then transported to you.

1101
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:45,020
 So it's cutting down on all of that sort of supply chain waste as well.

1102
01:22:45,020 --> 01:22:46,900
 And that was all that I had to share with you.

1103
01:22:46,900 --> 01:22:57,380
 Okay, thank you, we do have a question.

1104
01:22:57,380 --> 01:23:05,460
 Just a question about decreasing water consumption.

1105
01:23:05,460 --> 01:23:17,220
 Would perhaps in terms of new developments requiring or incentivizing xeriscaping and

1106
01:23:17,220 --> 01:23:23,700
 also permeable sidewalks and driveways, would those be viable options as well?

1107
01:23:23,700 --> 01:23:33,020
 Yes, those are both excellent ideas and both of those also increase your resilience to

1108
01:23:33,020 --> 01:23:37,460
 more significant storm events, which are also expected in the future, so it improves your

1109
01:23:37,460 --> 01:23:42,380
 drainage and produces the likelihood of flooding and pooling in neighborhoods.

1110
01:23:42,380 --> 01:23:47,420
 So yeah, it's positive in all ways, so yes, those are good ideas.

1111
01:23:47,420 --> 01:23:48,420
 Thank you.

1112
01:23:48,420 --> 01:23:49,420
 Yeah.

1113
01:23:49,420 --> 01:23:50,420
 Bray, go ahead.

1114
01:23:50,420 --> 01:23:55,740
 For Catherine, are we able to get a copy of this presentation or is it going to be posted

1115
01:23:55,740 --> 01:23:56,740
 on the website?

1116
01:23:56,740 --> 01:23:57,740
 Okay.

1117
01:23:57,740 --> 01:23:58,740
 Thank you.

1118
01:23:58,740 --> 01:23:59,740
 Yeah, great.

1119
01:23:59,740 --> 01:24:03,380
 Just one question, just a clarification, kind of going way back.

1120
01:24:03,380 --> 01:24:09,980
 When we were talking about local solar, was battery storage included in the investment

1121
01:24:09,980 --> 01:24:10,980
 cost?

1122
01:24:10,980 --> 01:24:13,120
 Yes, yeah, it was.

1123
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,140
 Okay, thank you.

1124
01:24:15,140 --> 01:24:18,980
 I think -- is everybody good?

1125
01:24:18,980 --> 01:24:19,980
 Okay.

1126
01:24:19,980 --> 01:24:22,820
 All right, it looks like we're done.

1127
01:24:22,820 --> 01:24:23,820
 Thank you so much.

1128
01:24:23,820 --> 01:24:24,820
 Thank you.

1129
01:24:24,820 --> 01:24:28,580
 I know that was a lot of information to take all at once, so thanks for the questions and

1130
01:24:28,580 --> 01:24:29,580
 your attention.

1131
01:24:29,580 --> 01:24:30,580
 Thank you for your presentation.

1132
01:24:30,580 --> 01:24:31,580
 Thank you for your time.

1133
01:24:31,580 --> 01:24:32,580
 Thank you.

1134
01:24:32,580 --> 01:24:33,580
 Okay.

1135
01:24:33,580 --> 01:24:34,580
 Bye-bye.

1136
01:24:34,580 --> 01:24:35,580
 Bye.

1137
01:24:35,580 --> 01:24:40,060
 Just should leave that on.

1138
01:24:40,060 --> 01:24:48,140
 We will continue and move along to receive a report and hold a discussion regarding

1139
01:24:48,140 --> 01:24:50,540
 the City of Denton's tree canopy goals.

1140
01:24:50,540 --> 01:24:53,380
 I think is that Haywood?

1141
01:24:53,380 --> 01:24:54,380
 Welcome.

1142
01:24:54,380 --> 01:25:02,100
 Thank you, and thanks for the opportunity to come here today and present and talk a little

1143
01:25:02,100 --> 01:25:05,780
 bit about Denton's tree canopy goals.

1144
01:25:05,780 --> 01:25:07,860
 Let me get set here.

1145
01:25:07,860 --> 01:25:18,660
 This is my first time doing a Zoom up here.

1146
01:25:18,660 --> 01:25:25,940
 Okay, so, again, my name is Haywood Morgan.

1147
01:25:25,940 --> 01:25:30,100
 I'm the urban forester for the City of Denton, and today we're going to talk a little bit

1148
01:25:30,100 --> 01:25:32,780
 about Denton's tree canopy goals.

1149
01:25:32,780 --> 01:25:36,020
 Is there a way to make that presentation bigger?

1150
01:25:36,020 --> 01:25:39,380
 Well, you know what, yep, you're right.

1151
01:25:39,380 --> 01:25:40,380
 There.

1152
01:25:40,380 --> 01:25:41,380
 Thank you.

1153
01:25:41,380 --> 01:25:42,380
 You're welcome.

1154
01:25:42,380 --> 01:25:53,100
 Okay, so, as we get started here, we're going to talk first about what is an urban forest.

1155
01:25:53,100 --> 01:25:57,900
 During my time here in Denton, I've heard different thoughts on what an urban forest

1156
01:25:57,900 --> 01:26:02,740
 is, so I thought I'd start off with that, since the tree canopy is what makes up the

1157
01:26:02,740 --> 01:26:03,740
 urban forest.

1158
01:26:03,740 --> 01:26:08,020
 So, I have four pictures here, and I asked the question, "Which is an urban forest?"

1159
01:26:08,020 --> 01:26:13,580
 You know, I've heard some thoughts that, you know, it's this group of trees here, it's

1160
01:26:13,580 --> 01:26:20,060
 this wooded area here, and in actuality, all these trees represent the urban forest.

1161
01:26:20,060 --> 01:26:27,780
 It is the collection of trees within the entire city limits of a city.

1162
01:26:27,780 --> 01:26:36,340
 So, when we talk about tree canopy coverage, we're talking about the layer of branches,

1163
01:26:36,340 --> 01:26:42,580
 trees, stems from trees that cover the ground, so basically everything that produces a shadow

1164
01:26:42,580 --> 01:26:47,980
 on the ground is what we talk about when we talk about tree canopy coverage.

1165
01:26:47,980 --> 01:26:53,220
 So, on the image I have on the screen here, everything that's outlined in the green line

1166
01:26:53,220 --> 01:26:59,580
 here is the tree canopy coverage of this particular area.

1167
01:26:59,580 --> 01:27:06,660
 So, you may be asking yourself, "What is Denton's current urban tree canopy?"

1168
01:27:06,660 --> 01:27:13,260
 So, a couple years ago, we subscribed to a software that allows us to consistently monitor

1169
01:27:13,260 --> 01:27:19,860
 our tree cover, and within the city limits, Denton's tree canopy is 24%.

1170
01:27:19,860 --> 01:27:24,300
 When you look at public properties, that number is 29%.

1171
01:27:24,300 --> 01:27:34,940
 On private properties, it's 23%, within the ETJ1, it's 28%, and within the ETJ2, it's

1172
01:27:34,940 --> 01:27:36,460
 19%.

1173
01:27:36,460 --> 01:27:41,340
 So, this light of color here, well, you can kind of make out what's the city of Denton's

1174
01:27:41,340 --> 01:27:44,340
 city limits there.

1175
01:27:44,340 --> 01:27:49,420
 So, what's Denton's tree canopy goals?

1176
01:27:49,420 --> 01:27:56,300
 So, these numbers are in our urban forest master plan that was adopted by council back

1177
01:27:56,300 --> 01:28:03,080
 in 2020, and so the numbers here basically corresponded to what was in the development

1178
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:10,100
 code at that time, and our canopy goals were set and based on if the city was built out

1179
01:28:10,100 --> 01:28:16,220
 as it was zoned at the time, could we reach that canopy goal?

1180
01:28:16,220 --> 01:28:24,740
 So, at that time, the canopy goal was set to reach 40% over the next 20 years.

1181
01:28:24,740 --> 01:28:34,860
 Now, at the time when we did our master plan, our canopy was at 28%, right, at 29%, so we're

1182
01:28:34,860 --> 01:28:42,620
 trying to figure out what's the reasonable goal to set to reach over the time span of

1183
01:28:42,620 --> 01:28:43,620
 the master plan.

1184
01:28:43,620 --> 01:28:49,360
 At that time, we were thinking 40% was a reasonable number to increase.

1185
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:55,140
 On the image we have here, the parcels where you see the different shades of green are

1186
01:28:55,140 --> 01:29:01,620
 the ones that currently have 40% or more tree canopy.

1187
01:29:01,620 --> 01:29:06,340
 So, how do we increase tree canopy?

1188
01:29:06,340 --> 01:29:12,860
 So, one of the biggest things we can do to increase tree canopy is preserve trees.

1189
01:29:12,860 --> 01:29:20,960
 The current development code requires 20% to 30% is great when we can preserve more.

1190
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:26,380
 Another method that the city has is we purchase new property for parks, and we always try

1191
01:29:26,380 --> 01:29:33,140
 to target parcels that have higher tree canopy covers existing on that site, and that way

1192
01:29:33,140 --> 01:29:39,220
 we take that out of the circulation for development and possible loss of trees.

1193
01:29:39,220 --> 01:29:45,860
 The other thing we do is plant trees directly through the city's efforts.

1194
01:29:45,860 --> 01:29:54,660
 We plant trees along trails, along streets, boulevard medians, anywhere where we can have

1195
01:29:54,660 --> 01:30:02,380
 a tree planted that will positively, in fact, impact our users and also help to reduce the

1196
01:30:02,380 --> 01:30:09,620
 urban heat island effect by planting near parking lots and roads and what have you,

1197
01:30:09,620 --> 01:30:10,700
 or any impervious surfaces.

1198
01:30:10,700 --> 01:30:16,980
 The other ways trees get planted here in Denton is through single family development.

1199
01:30:16,980 --> 01:30:22,540
 There's requirements within the development code for trees to be planted when new houses

1200
01:30:22,540 --> 01:30:28,860
 are built, new commercial and also new industrial.

1201
01:30:28,860 --> 01:30:34,260
 The other things that we do within the city is tree giveaways through the Red Bud Festival

1202
01:30:34,260 --> 01:30:39,140
 annually in the spring, and in the fall we have our annual community tree give away,

1203
01:30:39,140 --> 01:30:42,540
 where we give away trees to homeowners.

1204
01:30:42,540 --> 01:30:52,740
 And we also in the past have provided saplings through Children's Arbor Day events.

1205
01:30:52,740 --> 01:30:59,580
 And finally we have our tree rebate program, and we revamped that a couple years ago to

1206
01:30:59,580 --> 01:31:04,520
 vary the size of the rebate depending on the size of the tree that someone plants.

1207
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:13,140
 So for the smaller size trees, the rebate is $50 per tree, and it can be up to $250

1208
01:31:13,140 --> 01:31:19,140
 per tree for the larger trees, with a max annually for a household of $500.

1209
01:31:19,140 --> 01:31:25,740
 So when we changed up that program, we've been having a strong response to the grants

1210
01:31:25,740 --> 01:31:31,540
 and we've actually been getting some of these funds out, or more of these funds, into the

1211
01:31:31,540 --> 01:31:35,980
 residents of Denton's hands.

1212
01:31:35,980 --> 01:31:37,820
 So how many trees have we planted?

1213
01:31:37,820 --> 01:31:43,440
 So when putting together this presentation, I looked at the last five years of how many

1214
01:31:43,440 --> 01:31:46,300
 trees that we've planted.

1215
01:31:46,300 --> 01:31:55,580
 And as you can see here from 2018 to 2022, we've gone between, you know, on the low side

1216
01:31:55,580 --> 01:32:01,980
 2,600 trees, and on the high side 3,800, just over 3,800 trees.

1217
01:32:01,980 --> 01:32:08,620
 And that 2,600 I believe was in the time when we were reassessing our use of the tree fund,

1218
01:32:08,620 --> 01:32:14,540
 and we weren't really planting as many trees internally, but we still had our giveaways

1219
01:32:14,540 --> 01:32:20,580
 and there was still new development, and these numbers include plant teams from single family

1220
01:32:20,580 --> 01:32:25,580
 development.

1221
01:32:25,580 --> 01:32:31,420
 So how many trees do we need to plant in 20 years to reach specific canopy goals?

1222
01:32:31,420 --> 01:32:41,380
 So if we want to increase our canopy to 25% or 1% increase, we'd have to plant 5,100 trees

1223
01:32:41,380 --> 01:32:43,780
 per year for the next 20 years.

1224
01:32:43,780 --> 01:32:52,140
 If we bump that up to 30%, it would be 22,000 trees, so just over 22,000 trees per year.

1225
01:32:52,140 --> 01:33:00,380
 To reach 35%, it'd be 39,000 trees per year, and to reach 40%, it would be 56,000 trees

1226
01:33:00,380 --> 01:33:01,820
 per year.

1227
01:33:01,820 --> 01:33:06,740
 So when I ran these numbers in preparing for this presentation, you know, I started rethinking

1228
01:33:06,740 --> 01:33:12,740
 our canopy goals, and one of the things our master plan allows for is a reevaluation of

1229
01:33:12,740 --> 01:33:16,100
 the plan and the goals and objectives on a regular schedule.

1230
01:33:16,100 --> 01:33:20,180
 I think the first one is scheduled for five years after the plan, so it's coming up.

1231
01:33:20,180 --> 01:33:26,020
 So one of the things that we'll do is we'll look at these canopy goals because our tree

1232
01:33:26,020 --> 01:33:32,660
 canopy that we have wasn't as high as what it was when we actually set these goals, and

1233
01:33:32,660 --> 01:33:38,340
 the other thing is when we set those goals, it was considering if all the city was fully

1234
01:33:38,340 --> 01:33:48,060
 developed as it is currently zoned, so knowing that that's a longer-term proposition for

1235
01:33:48,060 --> 01:33:55,940
 the city to be fully built out, we feel that it probably would be appropriate to reassess

1236
01:33:55,940 --> 01:34:02,760
 these goals and make them more in line with where we are and where we think we can be

1237
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:07,460
 by the end of the master plan.

1238
01:34:07,460 --> 01:34:13,100
 So that's pretty much everything I have on our tree canopy goals on, you know, where

1239
01:34:13,100 --> 01:34:19,220
 we're at, how we got there, and where we are, the trajectory we're heading.

1240
01:34:19,220 --> 01:34:22,580
 Are there any questions that anyone has?

1241
01:34:22,580 --> 01:34:23,580
 Yeah.

1242
01:34:23,580 --> 01:34:25,780
 Ed, go ahead.

1243
01:34:25,780 --> 01:34:29,060
 Well, pardon me.

1244
01:34:29,060 --> 01:34:32,420
 Thanks for the presentation.

1245
01:34:32,420 --> 01:34:37,860
 Will there be any reassessment of the goals in light of the fact that temperatures are

1246
01:34:37,860 --> 01:34:43,940
 getting higher and higher, and that droughts may be getting longer and longer, and how

1247
01:34:43,940 --> 01:34:50,500
 this will affect what trees are used for planting, et cetera?

1248
01:34:50,500 --> 01:34:55,620
 I just heard today that it's gotten so hot in Arizona that even indigenous species like

1249
01:34:55,620 --> 01:35:04,420
 cactus are dying, so I would think knowing that we're set for more hot days and less

1250
01:35:04,420 --> 01:35:10,900
 rain, if that will be considered when you reassess the plan.

1251
01:35:10,900 --> 01:35:18,020
 Yeah, that specifically, we're actually looking at that when we look at our recommended trees

1252
01:35:18,020 --> 01:35:23,940
 for planting and that, so it'll be baked in there, but it won't be, you know, specifically

1253
01:35:23,940 --> 01:35:24,940
 looked at.

1254
01:35:24,940 --> 01:35:29,820
 So, what we're doing with our recommended tree list and what we're actually planting

1255
01:35:29,820 --> 01:35:36,580
 is we're looking at trees, you know, last summer was a really good, I guess, test for

1256
01:35:36,580 --> 01:35:42,980
 us to see what trees are able to take, you know, an extended period of drought with high

1257
01:35:42,980 --> 01:35:44,860
 temperatures combined.

1258
01:35:44,860 --> 01:35:49,620
 And so, when we looked at, you know, what trees survived last year, we're starting to

1259
01:35:49,620 --> 01:35:53,900
 incorporate more of those trees into our planting plans.

1260
01:35:53,900 --> 01:36:00,220
 The other thing we're doing, and this is not just Denton, this is an industry-wide thing,

1261
01:36:00,220 --> 01:36:05,540
 we're looking at trees that are native to Texas, but grow more in the south part of

1262
01:36:05,540 --> 01:36:10,700
 the state where the temperatures tend to get a little bit higher in the drier areas, so

1263
01:36:10,700 --> 01:36:16,940
 we can incorporate those as they become available in the nurseries into our planting scheme.

1264
01:36:16,940 --> 01:36:23,820
 And last spring, for the first time we planted Mexican sycamore, which is a way, you know,

1265
01:36:23,820 --> 01:36:30,240
 almost near the Mexican border tree, drought-tolerant, it should do well here, seems to do okay when

1266
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:33,540
 we have the colder winters.

1267
01:36:33,540 --> 01:36:40,180
 Another one is Mexican sycamore, Mexican sycamore and Monterey oak, sorry, or Mexican white oak.

1268
01:36:40,180 --> 01:36:45,140
 So those are some of the things we're doing to, you know, get more diversity in what we're

1269
01:36:45,140 --> 01:36:46,540
 actually putting in the ground.

1270
01:36:46,540 --> 01:36:47,540
 >> Great.

1271
01:36:47,540 --> 01:36:48,540
 Thank you.

1272
01:36:48,540 --> 01:36:49,540
 >> Yeah, you're welcome.

1273
01:36:49,540 --> 01:36:50,540
 >> Adam?

1274
01:36:50,540 --> 01:36:54,180
 >> Yeah, thank you for the presentation.

1275
01:36:54,180 --> 01:37:00,980
 So if I heard you right, we're planting 2,000 to 4,000 trees now, and when you run the numbers

1276
01:37:00,980 --> 01:37:09,020
 you need to have 56,000 a year planted, which would be quite a jump.

1277
01:37:09,020 --> 01:37:13,340
 I've always wanted to ask you this question because I drive around town and I say, oh,

1278
01:37:13,340 --> 01:37:17,400
 we could put a tree there, we could put a tree there, and I wonder how many other people

1279
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:23,140
 are like that, who are constantly thinking about trees, and I wonder if you have ever

1280
01:37:23,140 --> 01:37:27,860
 thought about like a, you know how there's adopt-a-spot, like highway program, like an

1281
01:37:27,860 --> 01:37:33,220
 adopt-a-tree or adopt-an-urban-forest program where you can partner with citizens who are

1282
01:37:33,220 --> 01:37:38,500
 really committed and give them the resources they need if they're willing to put in the

1283
01:37:38,500 --> 01:37:39,500
 volunteer time.

1284
01:37:39,500 --> 01:37:44,920
 Like, I'm just wondering, how can we up the numbers of trees planted by tapping into folks

1285
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:46,820
 who might be really energized?

1286
01:37:46,820 --> 01:37:52,460
 Is there anything, I mean, we get the trees every year from the giveaway, but are there

1287
01:37:52,460 --> 01:38:00,300
 other things we can do or that other cities are doing to tap into an energetic populace?

1288
01:38:00,300 --> 01:38:06,780
 As far as, I think the biggest thing that I've heard cities do are the tree giveaways,

1289
01:38:06,780 --> 01:38:11,860
 but if there are areas that, and one of our limiting factors where we plant, let me back

1290
01:38:11,860 --> 01:38:17,860
 up a second, is having the availability to irrigate the tree, and so that's always one

1291
01:38:17,860 --> 01:38:23,660
 of the biggest factors when getting a new tree established, but if there are spots where

1292
01:38:23,660 --> 01:38:29,780
 there's maybe one or two or three trees can be planted, generally it's not really cost

1293
01:38:29,780 --> 01:38:34,980
 effective for us to add irrigation if it's not there, so maybe that's something we can

1294
01:38:34,980 --> 01:38:41,340
 look at if there are areas in neighborhoods where local residents can maybe adopt the tree

1295
01:38:41,340 --> 01:38:48,220
 and take care of watering that tree for the first few years until it gets established.

1296
01:38:48,220 --> 01:38:51,580
 We can definitely look into putting something like that together.

1297
01:38:51,580 --> 01:38:56,500
 Yeah, and I'm gonna, if I look down here, I'm not texting, I'm making notes.

1298
01:38:56,500 --> 01:38:58,060
 - All right, Brian?

1299
01:38:58,060 --> 01:39:01,900
 - Yeah, thank you for coming, Heywood, we really appreciate the presentation.

1300
01:39:01,900 --> 01:39:02,900
 - Yes, you're welcome.

1301
01:39:02,900 --> 01:39:08,020
 - I guess, could you vocalize where you see the biggest opportunities for growing our

1302
01:39:08,020 --> 01:39:14,100
 canopy, and specifically when you look at the numbers that our current goal is at, do

1303
01:39:14,100 --> 01:39:18,580
 you see that playing out in public right of ways, or specifically just in residential

1304
01:39:18,580 --> 01:39:19,580
 areas?

1305
01:39:19,580 --> 01:39:24,100
 Where do you see, I guess if you could say what your goal would be, but then maybe there's

1306
01:39:24,100 --> 01:39:28,740
 some limiting factors you could talk about, about what you can actually capable of doing.

1307
01:39:28,740 --> 01:39:31,820
 - So all of the above.

1308
01:39:31,820 --> 01:39:38,740
 So internally, when I look at areas where we can plant trees, I'm looking at areas where

1309
01:39:38,740 --> 01:39:46,340
 we have activity in our parks, to provide shade for individuals using our trails, to

1310
01:39:46,340 --> 01:39:53,640
 plant trees along center boulevard mediums where we can help shade the pavement and reduce

1311
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:59,620
 the urban heat island effect, just anywhere where we can reasonably plant trees and have

1312
01:39:59,620 --> 01:40:01,700
 them irrigated.

1313
01:40:01,700 --> 01:40:09,000
 I'm open for planting, and the other one is pushing the tree giveaways.

1314
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:14,020
 One that I think I didn't have on my slide was, we have a neighborhood tree giveaway

1315
01:40:14,020 --> 01:40:19,460
 where we'll actually deliver up to 100 trees in a neighborhood that's in need of trees,

1316
01:40:19,460 --> 01:40:25,780
 and we partner usually with residents in the neighborhood or HOA, and we'll deliver the

1317
01:40:25,780 --> 01:40:32,700
 trees on a Friday, and then they'll do a giveaway on a Saturday.

1318
01:40:32,700 --> 01:40:37,900
 - And I know you've had the Planet Geo software for about a year or two now, I wonder, have

1319
01:40:37,900 --> 01:40:44,420
 you noticed any trends now that you have like a really strong granular detail over all of

1320
01:40:44,420 --> 01:40:48,140
 these different parcels and forested areas, if you've kind of discovered a little bit

1321
01:40:48,140 --> 01:40:52,660
 more than what we knew when we initially adopted the master plan?

1322
01:40:52,660 --> 01:40:57,020
 - The main difference, when we subscribed, we noticed that our canopy wasn't as high

1323
01:40:57,020 --> 01:41:02,340
 as we thought it was, and some of that could be attributed to development, some of it could

1324
01:41:02,340 --> 01:41:10,100
 be attributed to different methodologies and how the tree canopy assessments were performed,

1325
01:41:10,100 --> 01:41:16,940
 the addition of annexed land into the city that may not have been heavily treed.

1326
01:41:16,940 --> 01:41:22,060
 But from year one to year two, and we just recently had an update, I haven't noticed

1327
01:41:22,060 --> 01:41:23,540
 a lot.

1328
01:41:23,540 --> 01:41:27,740
 Tree canopy is one of those things that's something that you see over a larger span

1329
01:41:27,740 --> 01:41:34,940
 of time, which is one of the reasons I wanted to have that software so we can track year

1330
01:41:34,940 --> 01:41:41,580
 to year and kind of keep a little bit closer tabs on what's happening with the tree canopy.

1331
01:41:41,580 --> 01:41:42,580
 - Final question, sorry.

1332
01:41:42,580 --> 01:41:47,740
 I was just curious for the target numbers that you have for your outplanting, is that,

1333
01:41:47,740 --> 01:41:51,940
 so like you're on the net, is that accounting for trees that might get lost due to development

1334
01:41:51,940 --> 01:41:56,740
 or some other disturbance, are you counting that as like a net plus, or is that just the

1335
01:41:56,740 --> 01:42:01,580
 number that you put out and maybe over a five year period it changes?

1336
01:42:01,580 --> 01:42:09,140
 - It's just a number of what we would need to plant.

1337
01:42:09,140 --> 01:42:11,060
 And some of those numbers include development.

1338
01:42:11,060 --> 01:42:18,020
 It doesn't include the commercial or industrial, because I was working with our permitting

1339
01:42:18,020 --> 01:42:22,980
 department to get some of those numbers, and I couldn't really think of a good way to get

1340
01:42:22,980 --> 01:42:30,020
 the numbers for industrial or commercial without it being just tracked as projects go in.

1341
01:42:30,020 --> 01:42:35,540
 With residential, it's a little bit easier, pull the number of permits for single family

1342
01:42:35,540 --> 01:42:41,220
 construction, they require at least two trees, so multiply by two and just add it in.

1343
01:42:41,220 --> 01:42:43,700
 - Cool, thank you so much.

1344
01:42:43,700 --> 01:42:44,700
 - Yes, you're welcome.

1345
01:42:44,700 --> 01:42:48,860
 - I have a few questions.

1346
01:42:48,860 --> 01:43:01,580
 So on number nine slide, do we have the percentage of survival for the new trees that we have

1347
01:43:01,580 --> 01:43:02,580
 there?

1348
01:43:02,580 --> 01:43:05,800
 I know we see what's planted on slide nine.

1349
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:10,060
 Do we know how many of those trees have survived, like new plantings?

1350
01:43:10,060 --> 01:43:15,260
 I see new development and stuff and driving around, I see these trees struggling, a lot

1351
01:43:15,260 --> 01:43:20,020
 of them have died, especially like university and the media, and I know some had to be replaced,

1352
01:43:20,020 --> 01:43:24,980
 and so do we know of the percentage of those new trees, how many survived?

1353
01:43:24,980 --> 01:43:31,500
 - Yeah, so generally speaking, we have about a 90% survival rate.

1354
01:43:31,500 --> 01:43:36,740
 The kind of hiccup to those sometimes is if we have issues with the irrigation on our

1355
01:43:36,740 --> 01:43:43,140
 public planting and we have a delay with getting that repaired, I know we've had some irrigation

1356
01:43:43,140 --> 01:43:47,540
 issues specifically on university, that's why there's some big gaps right now because

1357
01:43:47,540 --> 01:43:52,740
 I'm waiting until that's repaired and ready to go for a new tree, so hopefully that'll

1358
01:43:52,740 --> 01:43:56,540
 be this fall and we can get those gaps filled in also.

1359
01:43:56,540 --> 01:44:06,600
 - Okay, and I think this may go along with Brian's question, on the last one, how many

1360
01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:08,580
 trees do we need to plant 20 years?

1361
01:44:08,580 --> 01:44:14,540
 I think you may have answered it, but I just want to clarify, so this is just trees planted

1362
01:44:14,540 --> 01:44:21,020
 to reach the canopy goals, does it not account for trees that will be cut down?

1363
01:44:21,020 --> 01:44:26,220
 So are we just assuming that no more trees are cut down to reach this goal as we add

1364
01:44:26,220 --> 01:44:27,220
 more?

1365
01:44:27,220 --> 01:44:33,700
 - Yeah, it's just looking at what's planted because I don't really know how to predict

1366
01:44:33,700 --> 01:44:37,460
 what's going to be developed and how much we're going to lose.

1367
01:44:37,460 --> 01:44:42,100
 - So on this slide, what we're looking at to reach our goal means that no more trees

1368
01:44:42,100 --> 01:44:47,340
 are to be cut down from this point forward and we need to add this many more trees per

1369
01:44:47,340 --> 01:44:49,300
 year to reach this goal.

1370
01:44:49,300 --> 01:44:55,940
 - And it would also include trees that are being planted because of new development.

1371
01:44:55,940 --> 01:45:04,420
 So it was looking at when the goals were set in the master plan, our consultant, they looked

1372
01:45:04,420 --> 01:45:11,100
 at the percentage required for single family, commercial and industrial, if that property

1373
01:45:11,100 --> 01:45:13,740
 was developed out as it's zoned.

1374
01:45:13,740 --> 01:45:20,660
 So it didn't really look at what's being lost, but it looks at what's the potential to be

1375
01:45:20,660 --> 01:45:23,580
 planted with those developed properties.

1376
01:45:23,580 --> 01:45:27,820
 - Okay, and along the lines of planting new trees, this is my last one, because we just

1377
01:45:27,820 --> 01:45:34,900
 had a long presentation about our climate plan and water is a big section.

1378
01:45:34,900 --> 01:45:41,020
 And so as you mentioned earlier, irrigation on new trees is a big deal, right?

1379
01:45:41,020 --> 01:45:42,700
 It needs a lot of water.

1380
01:45:42,700 --> 01:45:45,940
 So are we looking at that plan?

1381
01:45:45,940 --> 01:45:53,440
 Are we communicating with our new plan that's coming up as far as what kind of water we

1382
01:45:53,440 --> 01:45:57,740
 need for the survival of these trees?

1383
01:45:57,740 --> 01:46:01,220
 - We hadn't looked at it specifically because this was my first time knowing that the plan

1384
01:46:01,220 --> 01:46:03,000
 was happening.

1385
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:14,580
 But what we do is we always try to plant and advocate trees that are lower water use trees.

1386
01:46:14,580 --> 01:46:20,620
 That's our main avenue and as far as the irrigation that goes on it, we use bubbler so if there's

1387
01:46:20,620 --> 01:46:24,740
 not water spraying, it's more directly applied to the tree.

1388
01:46:24,740 --> 01:46:31,460
 And we generally are watering in the overnight hours or evening hours, so we have less evaporation

1389
01:46:31,460 --> 01:46:33,500
 of water.

1390
01:46:33,500 --> 01:46:43,420
 - And as far as the plan goes on, you just mentioned heat islands, and then we need more

1391
01:46:43,420 --> 01:46:49,500
 protection for biking, is that something when you are looking to plant trees that you keep

1392
01:46:49,500 --> 01:46:56,140
 into account, like walking or biking to make sure things are shaded, are you looking for

1393
01:46:56,140 --> 01:46:57,860
 areas like that as well?

1394
01:46:57,860 --> 01:47:05,540
 - Yes, anywhere where there is an impervious surface, whether it's some of our larger trails

1395
01:47:05,540 --> 01:47:12,620
 through the parks that are paved or center mediums where cars travel or if there's...

1396
01:47:12,620 --> 01:47:18,900
 We don't really plant between the curb and sidewalk because right now that's the homeowner's

1397
01:47:18,900 --> 01:47:23,460
 domain, but those areas are required for new development for trees to be planted.

1398
01:47:23,460 --> 01:47:28,460
 But anywhere where we can add a little bit more shade for pedestrians, we target those

1399
01:47:28,460 --> 01:47:29,460
 areas.

1400
01:47:29,460 --> 01:47:30,460
 - Okay.

1401
01:47:30,460 --> 01:47:31,460
 I think...

1402
01:47:31,460 --> 01:47:32,460
 Ed, do you have one more question?

1403
01:47:32,460 --> 01:47:33,460
 Thank you.

1404
01:47:33,460 --> 01:47:34,460
 - Yes, you're welcome.

1405
01:47:34,460 --> 01:47:38,580
 - Yeah, you'll have to excuse me if this question is really stupid, but I'm going to ask it

1406
01:47:38,580 --> 01:47:39,580
 anyway.

1407
01:47:39,580 --> 01:47:40,580
 Huh?

1408
01:47:40,580 --> 01:47:41,580
 - Thank you.

1409
01:47:41,580 --> 01:47:50,420
 - I look at the 25%, 30% canopy and all that, and what is 100% tree canopy?

1410
01:47:50,420 --> 01:47:54,700
 - 100% tree canopy means there's no development.

1411
01:47:54,700 --> 01:48:00,300
 There's no roads, there's no houses, it's just undeveloped land, probably in a forest

1412
01:48:00,300 --> 01:48:02,420
 where everything is covered.

1413
01:48:02,420 --> 01:48:03,420
 - Okay.

1414
01:48:03,420 --> 01:48:09,740
 - I mean, it'd be hard to get 100% covered just because of your building footprint and...

1415
01:48:09,740 --> 01:48:10,740
 - Oh, sure.

1416
01:48:10,740 --> 01:48:17,500
 - I just was trying to think of it in terms relative to the percentages, that's all.

1417
01:48:17,500 --> 01:48:18,500
 - Yeah.

1418
01:48:18,500 --> 01:48:19,500
 - Yeah.

1419
01:48:19,500 --> 01:48:20,500
 - Yeah.

1420
01:48:20,500 --> 01:48:21,500
 - Okay.

1421
01:48:21,500 --> 01:48:22,500
 Thank you.

1422
01:48:22,500 --> 01:48:23,500
 - You're welcome.

1423
01:48:23,500 --> 01:48:24,500
 - Okay.

1424
01:48:24,500 --> 01:48:25,500
 I think we're good.

1425
01:48:25,500 --> 01:48:26,500
 - All right.

1426
01:48:26,500 --> 01:48:27,500
 Thank you.

1427
01:48:27,500 --> 01:48:28,500
 - Thank you so much.

1428
01:48:28,500 --> 01:48:29,500
 - You're welcome.

1429
01:48:29,500 --> 01:48:30,500
 - I appreciate your presentation.

1430
01:48:30,500 --> 01:48:31,500
 - Thanks, Edwin.

1431
01:48:31,500 --> 01:48:32,500
 - All right.

1432
01:48:32,500 --> 01:48:37,860
 We will move on to item E. I think we are.

1433
01:48:37,860 --> 01:48:43,180
 And that is Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion, and Give Staff Feedback Regarding Updates

1434
01:48:43,180 --> 01:48:46,220
 to the Greensense Energy Efficiency Program.

1435
01:48:46,220 --> 01:48:49,620
 - And J.T. is going to link to present this one.

1436
01:48:49,620 --> 01:48:54,980
 We just have a first draft of what the Greensense Efficiency rebates could look like under new

1437
01:48:54,980 --> 01:48:55,980
 funding next year.

1438
01:48:55,980 --> 01:48:56,980
 - Okay.

1439
01:48:56,980 --> 01:48:57,980
 - All right.

1440
01:48:57,980 --> 01:49:03,980
 Give me just one second, and we will get started.

1441
01:49:03,980 --> 01:49:09,900
 Okay, I think that looks good.

1442
01:49:09,900 --> 01:49:10,900
 All right.

1443
01:49:10,900 --> 01:49:14,780
 So good afternoon, committee members, James Douglas, and the Conservation Programs Coordinator.

1444
01:49:14,780 --> 01:49:21,420
 Again, here to talk about a proposal for the Greensense Energy Efficiency Incentives as

1445
01:49:21,420 --> 01:49:24,540
 a part of a possible program update.

1446
01:49:24,540 --> 01:49:28,140
 There we go.

1447
01:49:28,140 --> 01:49:32,760
 So a pretty simple presentation today, so we're going to go over some background about the

1448
01:49:32,760 --> 01:49:34,820
 incentive program itself.

1449
01:49:34,820 --> 01:49:40,140
 We'll talk about the current program performance through the most recent fiscal year, specifically

1450
01:49:40,140 --> 01:49:41,900
 fiscal year '22.

1451
01:49:41,900 --> 01:49:46,940
 We'll talk about those proposed program changes, and then we will go over the next steps for

1452
01:49:46,940 --> 01:49:50,060
 possible implementation.

1453
01:49:50,060 --> 01:49:56,340
 So just a little bit more about Greensense, so the program began in 2009, and as the years

1454
01:49:56,340 --> 01:50:01,100
 go on, we've had sort of different funding levels, and of course, technology changes

1455
01:50:01,100 --> 01:50:05,240
 over that time, so updates to the program are made.

1456
01:50:05,240 --> 01:50:09,240
 Our current program incentive levels and current program has been in place since fiscal year

1457
01:50:09,240 --> 01:50:12,180
 2018.

1458
01:50:12,180 --> 01:50:17,580
 The energy efficiency, of course, is largely focused on heating and cooling elements such

1459
01:50:17,580 --> 01:50:25,380
 as HVAC, insulation, smart thermostats, things of that nature that work on heating and specifically

1460
01:50:25,380 --> 01:50:26,380
 cooling.

1461
01:50:26,380 --> 01:50:33,460
 We make up about 55 percent or more of energy bills and also are targeted for different

1462
01:50:33,460 --> 01:50:38,500
 things on demand management, so when we're talking about cooling specifically, that's

1463
01:50:38,500 --> 01:50:41,180
 going to have a large impact there as well.

1464
01:50:41,180 --> 01:50:46,220
 The program is administered by Environmental Services and Sustainability, and then, of

1465
01:50:46,220 --> 01:50:50,780
 course, the funding comes through DME, so all of the energy efficiency rebates come

1466
01:50:50,780 --> 01:50:53,380
 through our office.

1467
01:50:53,380 --> 01:50:56,900
 A little bit about the current program, and you can see the current funding levels that

1468
01:50:56,900 --> 01:51:01,940
 are there, and when we talk about the proposed funding levels, you do have a comparison in

1469
01:51:01,940 --> 01:51:04,220
 your backup as well for reference.

1470
01:51:04,220 --> 01:51:08,740
 So the current annual funding levels are at $250,000 annually.

1471
01:51:08,740 --> 01:51:12,980
 I did want to mention that we recently launched into our online application.

1472
01:51:12,980 --> 01:51:19,880
 You can still do a paper application, but we've seen a really good portion of the rebates

1473
01:51:19,880 --> 01:51:25,280
 coming through on that online application, and that started in January 2023.

1474
01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:32,000
 Our average application review time is about 3.7 days with that new online application.

1475
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:34,980
 There's of course going to be some where there's some back and forth if we need to track down

1476
01:51:34,980 --> 01:51:40,380
 some additional information to process the rebate, but that 3.7 is a good average.

1477
01:51:40,380 --> 01:51:44,180
 And then, as I said, you can see the current rebates that are being offered there.

1478
01:51:44,180 --> 01:51:48,560
 The one that is not included but is included in your backup is also that electric vehicle

1479
01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:50,980
 rebate at $300 currently.

1480
01:51:50,980 --> 01:51:55,780
 Can I ask a quick question?

1481
01:51:55,780 --> 01:51:56,780
 Sure.

1482
01:51:56,780 --> 01:52:02,660
 At the top there under the equipment, you have the two HVAC categories.

1483
01:52:02,660 --> 01:52:07,380
 Can they be either gas, natural gas, or electric?

1484
01:52:07,380 --> 01:52:08,720
 That's correct, yes.

1485
01:52:08,720 --> 01:52:10,900
 Whereas the heat pump is electric?

1486
01:52:10,900 --> 01:52:11,900
 Correct.

1487
01:52:11,900 --> 01:52:12,900
 All right.

1488
01:52:12,900 --> 01:52:19,260
 I'd like at some point to discuss perhaps a different pricing or incentive offering,

1489
01:52:19,260 --> 01:52:21,180
 whether it's electric or gas.

1490
01:52:21,180 --> 01:52:22,820
 That is listed in the current proposal.

1491
01:52:22,820 --> 01:52:23,820
 Okay.

1492
01:52:23,820 --> 01:52:24,820
 Great.

1493
01:52:24,820 --> 01:52:25,820
 Thank you.

1494
01:52:25,820 --> 01:52:26,820
 Mm-hmm.

1495
01:52:26,820 --> 01:52:30,780
 So, talking a little bit about the current performance of the program and why we're proposing

1496
01:52:30,780 --> 01:52:35,140
 some of these changes, so I will point out that on the far left-hand side here you can

1497
01:52:35,140 --> 01:52:36,500
 see fiscal year 2017.

1498
01:52:36,500 --> 01:52:41,740
 It's in a different color because that was under a slightly different pricing than we

1499
01:52:41,740 --> 01:52:42,740
 currently have.

1500
01:52:42,740 --> 01:52:46,720
 So those rebates were slightly higher on all of the different elements.

1501
01:52:46,720 --> 01:52:51,620
 So the graph here you can see a percentage of cost funded by fiscal year.

1502
01:52:51,620 --> 01:52:56,700
 So this is how much on average was the rebate accounting for the total cost of the equipment

1503
01:52:56,700 --> 01:52:58,420
 that it was installed.

1504
01:52:58,420 --> 01:53:02,620
 Again, you can kind of take out 2017 from that picture, but we see it was a little bit

1505
01:53:02,620 --> 01:53:03,720
 higher then.

1506
01:53:03,720 --> 01:53:09,580
 We see a steady decrease over time from 2018 to 2022, ending in 2022 with only about 4%

1507
01:53:09,580 --> 01:53:13,460
 of the total cost of the equipment being covered by the rebate program.

1508
01:53:13,460 --> 01:53:19,100
 Again, the pricing for the rebates did not change from 2018 to 2022.

1509
01:53:19,100 --> 01:53:27,980
 So we can assume there that the cost of installing this equipment has gone up over time.

1510
01:53:27,980 --> 01:53:31,980
 Related to that, we have the number of rebates that are being processed by fiscal year.

1511
01:53:31,980 --> 01:53:35,340
 Again, you can see 2017 there in red with the different funding structure.

1512
01:53:35,340 --> 01:53:42,420
 Again, we see that as a general decrease over time there with a slight spike in 2021, possibly

1513
01:53:42,420 --> 01:53:47,380
 due to increased stimulus funding, things like of that nature.

1514
01:53:47,380 --> 01:53:55,100
 But in 2022, we did see our lowest number of rebates processed there at 327.

1515
01:53:55,100 --> 01:53:57,940
 So that brings us to some of the proposed changes.

1516
01:53:57,940 --> 01:54:06,140
 So the potential annual budget increase is between $500,000 and a million dollars.

1517
01:54:06,140 --> 01:54:11,960
 Just for a bit of reference for the proposed rebates that you see in the backup.

1518
01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:18,560
 So for the items that are currently in the program, if we use that proposed funding,

1519
01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:24,580
 we would see an 18% coverage of the total cost for the equipment as compared to the

1520
01:54:24,580 --> 01:54:30,060
 4% that was covered under the current rebate dollar amounts.

1521
01:54:30,060 --> 01:54:37,860
 So we did, along with our analysis of the current program, we included essentially where

1522
01:54:37,860 --> 01:54:43,020
 are we getting the most bang for our buck among the current rebates and priority was

1523
01:54:43,020 --> 01:54:46,860
 given to increasing those amongst the current offerings.

1524
01:54:46,860 --> 01:54:51,360
 We also have new offerings that are included in the proposal, and you can see those there.

1525
01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:59,060
 Some examples of those are something like an HVAC tuneup giving about 50% back for those

1526
01:54:59,060 --> 01:55:01,620
 if they're conducted annually.

1527
01:55:01,620 --> 01:55:06,540
 Electric bikes or e-bikes are included in our current proposal as well.

1528
01:55:06,540 --> 01:55:12,060
 Weatherization kits and also sort of outlining that dedicated funding for the fan giveaway,

1529
01:55:12,060 --> 01:55:14,940
 which we have done for the last two summers.

1530
01:55:14,940 --> 01:55:19,780
 Those are important as well because those help out DME customers that are renters, where

1531
01:55:19,780 --> 01:55:26,860
 a large portion of the program currently is for single-family homeowners.

1532
01:55:26,860 --> 01:55:30,420
 A little bit more of that bang for the buck analysis there.

1533
01:55:30,420 --> 01:55:36,460
 So you can see the three most sort of cost-effective ones that we have are insulation, HVAC, and

1534
01:55:36,460 --> 01:55:37,460
 solar screens.

1535
01:55:37,460 --> 01:55:42,160
 And when you look at the proposal, that is where we have a large portion of the increases.

1536
01:55:42,160 --> 01:55:47,440
 What you're seeing here is a cost per KWH or cost per consumption.

1537
01:55:47,440 --> 01:55:52,620
 Keep in mind that this is for Denton's investment, and that this is only for the first 12 months.

1538
01:55:52,620 --> 01:55:54,700
 So it is just a relative comparison.

1539
01:55:54,700 --> 01:56:02,960
 This does not take into account the entire lifetime of the equipment, which can vary.

1540
01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:04,460
 So some next steps.

1541
01:56:04,460 --> 01:56:09,580
 So we'll continue to follow the budget discussions that are occurring at the City Council.

1542
01:56:09,580 --> 01:56:12,180
 We'll prepare an updated Greensense incentive manual.

1543
01:56:12,180 --> 01:56:17,840
 So this is the document that oversees sort of the implementation of the program and really

1544
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:20,840
 kind of bakes in those different rebate amounts.

1545
01:56:20,840 --> 01:56:25,920
 So along with this proposal, we'll be including an updated version of that document.

1546
01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:29,980
 So we'll continue to update and implement the online application platform, both for

1547
01:56:29,980 --> 01:56:36,200
 ease of use and for staff time savings, which will help us with this sort of increased implementation

1548
01:56:36,200 --> 01:56:37,740
 of this program.

1549
01:56:37,740 --> 01:56:43,480
 And we'll still offer the paper copy version for any of those folks that might need that.

1550
01:56:43,480 --> 01:56:47,180
 As we do currently, we'll continue to track the effectiveness, especially of these new

1551
01:56:47,180 --> 01:56:48,180
 programs.

1552
01:56:48,180 --> 01:56:52,360
 We'll see where the dollars are sort of being best spent, which of these programs are most

1553
01:56:52,360 --> 01:56:57,980
 popular and most effective, and we can continue to make changes sort of as we see those increased

1554
01:56:57,980 --> 01:57:01,180
 opportunities there.

1555
01:57:01,180 --> 01:57:05,660
 And with that, I will take any questions on the proposal.

1556
01:57:05,660 --> 01:57:07,900
 Adam?

1557
01:57:07,900 --> 01:57:10,780
 Yeah, thanks, J.T.

1558
01:57:10,780 --> 01:57:12,480
 Not so much a question on the proposal.

1559
01:57:12,480 --> 01:57:18,420
 Just to understand the program in general, this -- is this on an ongoing, like, rolling

1560
01:57:18,420 --> 01:57:27,260
 basis throughout the year, and are you always paying out these rebates, or is there a limit

1561
01:57:27,260 --> 01:57:32,660
 that you would reach such that there's no more money in the pot, basically?

1562
01:57:32,660 --> 01:57:33,660
 Yes.

1563
01:57:33,660 --> 01:57:38,140
 Right now, it's that $250,000 annual allocation.

1564
01:57:38,140 --> 01:57:43,080
 I will say the funding has not run out for this particular program.

1565
01:57:43,080 --> 01:57:48,940
 The last time the energy efficiency funding ran out was in that 2017 fiscal year, when

1566
01:57:48,940 --> 01:57:50,800
 we did have those higher dollar amounts.

1567
01:57:50,800 --> 01:57:54,540
 That's part of the reason that it was lowered, was essentially to spread it out a little

1568
01:57:54,540 --> 01:57:56,380
 bit more evenly.

1569
01:57:56,380 --> 01:58:02,780
 And so with the sort of percentage of cost cover dropping a little bit lower, it's something

1570
01:58:02,780 --> 01:58:05,420
 that we've been looking to put more money towards.

1571
01:58:05,420 --> 01:58:10,740
 So again, once that pot of money, it essentially opens October 1, and it would be first come,

1572
01:58:10,740 --> 01:58:14,220
 first serve on the rebates there.

1573
01:58:14,220 --> 01:58:18,460
 Go ahead, Brian.

1574
01:58:18,460 --> 01:58:20,100
 Really excited to see eBikes in that program.

1575
01:58:20,100 --> 01:58:24,300
 I know we've talked about that in previous meetings, but thank you, thank you for putting

1576
01:58:24,300 --> 01:58:25,860
 it in the program.

1577
01:58:25,860 --> 01:58:29,620
 And I know we also just spent quite a lot of time talking about the kind of investments

1578
01:58:29,620 --> 01:58:35,160
 we were hoping to make to transition ourselves over the next 10, 15 years.

1579
01:58:35,160 --> 01:58:40,060
 And so I sincerely hope you made a really compelling and effective argument to the success

1580
01:58:40,060 --> 01:58:41,060
 of this program.

1581
01:58:41,060 --> 01:58:45,960
 And I really hope that you were able to get the funding from council to get a better return

1582
01:58:45,960 --> 01:58:47,340
 on this program.

1583
01:58:47,340 --> 01:58:50,220
 So congratulations and good luck.

1584
01:58:50,220 --> 01:58:54,100
 Ed, go ahead.

1585
01:58:54,100 --> 01:58:58,980
 Just, yeah, there you go.

1586
01:58:58,980 --> 01:59:01,220
 Thanks for the presentation.

1587
01:59:01,220 --> 01:59:02,220
 Of course.

1588
01:59:02,220 --> 01:59:08,540
 I understand the DME is conducting a value of solar study, is that correct?

1589
01:59:08,540 --> 01:59:09,540
 Yes.

1590
01:59:09,540 --> 01:59:10,820
 Yeah.

1591
01:59:10,820 --> 01:59:18,460
 And there's also, they're returning to and updating the Denton renewable resources plan,

1592
01:59:18,460 --> 01:59:19,460
 I believe.

1593
01:59:19,460 --> 01:59:20,460
 Correct.

1594
01:59:20,460 --> 01:59:30,140
 So those are not complete as far as I know.

1595
01:59:30,140 --> 01:59:35,700
 So those are pretty important things on the horizon.

1596
01:59:35,700 --> 01:59:41,800
 They could possibly have an effect on the Greensense program.

1597
01:59:41,800 --> 01:59:50,380
 So I just want to make sure that we're not jumping the gun here until we get those programs

1598
01:59:50,380 --> 01:59:55,780
 in and see what the future from DME's perspective looks like with this.

1599
01:59:55,780 --> 02:00:00,020
 I think the city's perspective here is fine, but I don't know what, I don't know what's,

1600
02:00:00,020 --> 02:00:04,620
 this just seems to me there's some big question marks.

1601
02:00:04,620 --> 02:00:10,940
 Catherine, for clarification, is this for the budget coming up?

1602
02:00:10,940 --> 02:00:11,940
 Is this in September?

1603
02:00:11,940 --> 02:00:12,940
 Yes.

1604
02:00:12,940 --> 02:00:13,940
 Yeah.

1605
02:00:13,940 --> 02:00:14,940
 Okay.

1606
02:00:14,940 --> 02:00:15,940
 Yes.

1607
02:00:15,940 --> 02:00:19,260
 So this will start October 1 of 2023 if the funding is available.

1608
02:00:19,260 --> 02:00:21,020
 We have wanted to make changes.

1609
02:00:21,020 --> 02:00:24,900
 We've seen those rebate values decreasing over time, and we've wanted to make changes

1610
02:00:24,900 --> 02:00:28,600
 to it for a couple of years, and we're lagging.

1611
02:00:28,600 --> 02:00:31,260
 We need to go ahead and update it.

1612
02:00:31,260 --> 02:00:36,220
 And as they work through their plans, we can come back and look at the Greensense program

1613
02:00:36,220 --> 02:00:38,500
 again.

1614
02:00:38,500 --> 02:00:45,380
 It's authorized and funded every October 1, so it's not for the end of time.

1615
02:00:45,380 --> 02:00:46,980
 We can come back and relook at it.

1616
02:00:46,980 --> 02:00:47,980
 Okay.

1617
02:00:47,980 --> 02:00:48,980
 Thank you.

1618
02:00:48,980 --> 02:00:49,980
 Is that it?

1619
02:00:49,980 --> 02:00:50,980
 Did you have?

1620
02:00:50,980 --> 02:00:51,980
 I think that's it.

1621
02:00:51,980 --> 02:00:52,980
 Okay.

1622
02:00:52,980 --> 02:00:53,980
 Oh, yeah.

1623
02:00:53,980 --> 02:00:54,980
 Thank you.

1624
02:00:54,980 --> 02:01:03,980
 I have a couple, just because we saw the presentation before, and there were a couple of things

1625
02:01:03,980 --> 02:01:06,380
 that were kind of mentioned in there.

1626
02:01:06,380 --> 02:01:13,340
 And so in regards to heat pumps, is there something we can do on education for those?

1627
02:01:13,340 --> 02:01:19,580
 It's not well talked about or well known, and in the funding that you had and the amounts

1628
02:01:19,580 --> 02:01:26,500
 that you had, is that enough to meet some of the reduction requirements that are in

1629
02:01:26,500 --> 02:01:27,900
 that plan?

1630
02:01:27,900 --> 02:01:32,660
 It will certainly make a dent, especially when we talk about sort of those percentage

1631
02:01:32,660 --> 02:01:34,780
 retrofit goals.

1632
02:01:34,780 --> 02:01:37,220
 And then as far as the communication goes, absolutely.

1633
02:01:37,220 --> 02:01:41,420
 And I think that goes to the presentation before as well about speaking of some of the

1634
02:01:41,420 --> 02:01:43,500
 benefits of doing that.

1635
02:01:43,500 --> 02:01:50,340
 We actually had a meeting this week with DME's communication folks, and so we'll be working

1636
02:01:50,340 --> 02:01:55,700
 with them really closely to really revamp that, and specifically, as far as we're concerned,

1637
02:01:55,700 --> 02:01:59,140
 getting the word about this program and the benefits of this program out there to both

1638
02:01:59,140 --> 02:02:04,820
 developers, folks that install this equipment, and then the homeowners as well.

1639
02:02:04,820 --> 02:02:05,820
 Commercial.

1640
02:02:05,820 --> 02:02:06,820
 Okay.

1641
02:02:06,820 --> 02:02:12,780
 So just kind of to speak to that as well, I believe the question was asked about the

1642
02:02:12,780 --> 02:02:18,740
 number of structures that need to be retrofitted, and if we have that as we start along with

1643
02:02:18,740 --> 02:02:25,020
 this process of retrofitting, that data going hand in hand, like the percentages being reduced,

1644
02:02:25,020 --> 02:02:29,700
 that would be very helpful to have as we continue to fund.

1645
02:02:29,700 --> 02:02:38,380
 And then, so as we've seen, like retrofit of old buildings, it's not optional at this

1646
02:02:38,380 --> 02:02:42,980
 point if we want to continue to meet those goals to stop the leakage.

1647
02:02:42,980 --> 02:02:49,660
 But they did mention IRA as a funding in there, and so that's probably not a conversation

1648
02:02:49,660 --> 02:02:56,700
 for this presentation, but I'm just curious if that funding can go hand in hand with Greensense

1649
02:02:56,700 --> 02:02:57,700
 or not.

1650
02:02:57,700 --> 02:03:02,920
 I think we've talked a lot about sort of getting the most bang for the buck with all programs

1651
02:03:02,920 --> 02:03:04,420
 that are out there.

1652
02:03:04,420 --> 02:03:10,640
 I think with Denton, of course, the utilities being kind of that advantage that we do have.

1653
02:03:10,640 --> 02:03:16,560
 Having sort of that local piece to this program, I think, is really important, and then having

1654
02:03:16,560 --> 02:03:21,740
 folks being able to speak directly to us as city staff and do that, and I think Catherine

1655
02:03:21,740 --> 02:03:27,100
 will speak to the other elements of that.

1656
02:03:27,100 --> 02:03:32,520
 Just kind of building off of what Maura said, we can create those connections to some of

1657
02:03:32,520 --> 02:03:34,380
 the IRA funding.

1658
02:03:34,380 --> 02:03:39,100
 A new program was just announced yesterday that's specifically targeted at the weatherization

1659
02:03:39,100 --> 02:03:42,700
 and energy efficiency improvements, and that money's going to go to the state, so we're

1660
02:03:42,700 --> 02:03:46,100
 just going to have to watch that closely and see how we can connect our residents with

1661
02:03:46,100 --> 02:03:47,940
 that funding.

1662
02:03:47,940 --> 02:03:50,820
 But we're on top of those as much as we can be.

1663
02:03:50,820 --> 02:03:51,820
 Okay.

1664
02:03:51,820 --> 02:03:52,820
 Thank you.

1665
02:03:52,820 --> 02:03:53,820
 Everybody good?

1666
02:03:53,820 --> 02:03:54,820
 Okay.

1667
02:03:54,820 --> 02:03:57,380
 All right.

1668
02:03:57,380 --> 02:03:58,380
 I think we're good.

1669
02:03:58,380 --> 02:03:59,780
 Thank you so much.

1670
02:03:59,780 --> 02:04:04,380
 I guess, are you looking for anything from this committee as far as that?

1671
02:04:04,380 --> 02:04:08,700
 Like thumbs up, we're good to go, or anything else?

1672
02:04:08,700 --> 02:04:09,700
 What's that?

1673
02:04:09,700 --> 02:04:10,700
 Oh, yeah.

1674
02:04:10,700 --> 02:04:14,340
 If there's anything that you feel that we missed as a part of the program with some

1675
02:04:14,340 --> 02:04:17,580
 of the additions or changes or anything like that.

1676
02:04:17,580 --> 02:04:19,620
 Brian, go ahead.

1677
02:04:19,620 --> 02:04:23,400
 Just kind of a thought, and I'm sure this will play out over the next year or so, but

1678
02:04:23,400 --> 02:04:28,060
 should the climate action plan be adopted, do you see a lot of those incentive structures

1679
02:04:28,060 --> 02:04:32,140
 being built into this kind of existing program, or potentially a new avenue for those sorts

1680
02:04:32,140 --> 02:04:34,060
 of incentives?

1681
02:04:34,060 --> 02:04:36,020
 As it relates to energy efficiency specifically?

1682
02:04:36,020 --> 02:04:37,020
 Right, right.

1683
02:04:37,020 --> 02:04:39,060
 Specifically with the building retrofitting.

1684
02:04:39,060 --> 02:04:40,060
 Right.

1685
02:04:40,060 --> 02:04:44,620
 I think there's a lot of opportunities there, especially with some of the tracking that

1686
02:04:44,620 --> 02:04:47,340
 goes into the new online form that we have as well.

1687
02:04:47,340 --> 02:04:52,440
 I think there's a real opportunity to see the progress of this program as it relates

1688
02:04:52,440 --> 02:04:58,580
 specifically to that one goal in particular, but into the cap as a whole.

1689
02:04:58,580 --> 02:04:59,580
 Cool.

1690
02:04:59,580 --> 02:05:00,580
 Thank you.

1691
02:05:00,580 --> 02:05:01,580
 Thanks.

1692
02:05:01,580 --> 02:05:02,580
 Okay.

1693
02:05:02,580 --> 02:05:03,580
 Thank you.

1694
02:05:03,580 --> 02:05:04,580
 Yeah.

1695
02:05:04,580 --> 02:05:05,580
 I think we're good.

1696
02:05:05,580 --> 02:05:06,580
 Thanks.

1697
02:05:06,580 --> 02:05:07,580
 Okay.

1698
02:05:07,580 --> 02:05:08,580
 All right.

1699
02:05:08,580 --> 02:05:22,940
 We will continue with staff reports.

1700
02:05:22,940 --> 02:05:23,940
 Catherine?

1701
02:05:23,940 --> 02:05:27,740
 Is your microphone on?

1702
02:05:27,740 --> 02:05:29,620
 We just have the PACE update.

1703
02:05:29,620 --> 02:05:33,660
 I wanted to go ahead and give you some background on the Denton County PACE and give you those

1704
02:05:33,660 --> 02:05:35,780
 two documents that are linked there.

1705
02:05:35,780 --> 02:05:42,340
 I did talk to one of their principals, and they would like to come do a presentation

1706
02:05:42,340 --> 02:05:47,500
 about what they do to the committee, so we'll set that up for later in the year, but I want

1707
02:05:47,500 --> 02:05:51,880
 to give you a primer so you can think of any questions that you might have.

1708
02:05:51,880 --> 02:05:52,880
 Thank you for that.

1709
02:05:52,880 --> 02:05:53,880
 I'm looking forward to that presentation.

1710
02:05:53,880 --> 02:05:54,880
 Adam?

1711
02:05:54,880 --> 02:05:55,880
 Of course.

1712
02:05:55,880 --> 02:05:56,880
 Yeah.

1713
02:05:56,880 --> 02:06:01,520
 I opened it, and I decided that was too much reading for me to do right now.

1714
02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:06,420
 Can you just very quickly remind us what PACE is, so we can think about it?

1715
02:06:06,420 --> 02:06:12,040
 It's the Property Assessed Clean Energy Program, where you can get a loan.

1716
02:06:12,040 --> 02:06:17,380
 It's tied to an assessment in your property tax, and get funding to do your energy efficiency

1717
02:06:17,380 --> 02:06:20,860
 or water efficiency upgrades on an existing commercial structure.

1718
02:06:20,860 --> 02:06:21,860
 It's not for residential right now.

1719
02:06:21,860 --> 02:06:22,860
 It's just for commercial.

1720
02:06:22,860 --> 02:06:23,860
 Okay.

1721
02:06:23,860 --> 02:06:37,420
 I guess Matrix, Ed has a question or a comment.

1722
02:06:37,420 --> 02:06:40,900
 I have a couple of things for the Matrix.

1723
02:06:40,900 --> 02:06:49,860
 I wanted to ask, a while back, actually last year, I asked about the carbon sequestration

1724
02:06:49,860 --> 02:06:54,860
 potential of current tree canopy, and I didn't know if that could have been answered today

1725
02:06:54,860 --> 02:07:05,700
 or what, because I was just confused, because under status it said presentation July 2023.

1726
02:07:05,700 --> 02:07:11,100
 Let me get back to you on that, because I don't think I can pull Haywood back up here.

1727
02:07:11,100 --> 02:07:12,100
 Okay.

1728
02:07:12,100 --> 02:07:13,100
 I'll get back to you on that.

1729
02:07:13,100 --> 02:07:14,100
 All right.

1730
02:07:14,100 --> 02:07:20,420
 One other thing, if I may, for the Matrix, I saw where San Antonio has established a

1731
02:07:20,420 --> 02:07:28,500
 pilot program called a Cool Pavement Program, and I looked it up on EPA website, and it's

1732
02:07:28,500 --> 02:07:39,940
 a street paving process that really remarkably reduces heat island problems, and I wanted

1733
02:07:39,940 --> 02:07:47,300
 to know if or look into whether or not the city has looked into that sort of pavement

1734
02:07:47,300 --> 02:07:48,300
 program.

1735
02:07:48,300 --> 02:07:49,300
 Okay.

1736
02:07:49,300 --> 02:07:50,300
 We can add that.

1737
02:07:50,300 --> 02:07:51,300
 Thank you.

1738
02:07:51,300 --> 02:07:52,300
 Adam, Matrix?

1739
02:07:52,300 --> 02:07:53,300
 Yeah.

1740
02:07:53,300 --> 02:07:59,420
 Just to, it says transportation is slated for August of '23.

1741
02:07:59,420 --> 02:08:05,100
 I'm just wondering if that is indeed what we're looking at, maybe next month, or?

1742
02:08:05,100 --> 02:08:06,100
 Cool.

1743
02:08:06,100 --> 02:08:07,100
 I'm working with development services.

1744
02:08:07,100 --> 02:08:10,380
 I think we're going to be able to get them here in August.

1745
02:08:10,380 --> 02:08:11,380
 Great.

1746
02:08:11,380 --> 02:08:12,380
 Thank you.

1747
02:08:12,380 --> 02:08:13,380
 Brian?

1748
02:08:13,380 --> 02:08:14,380
 Matrix?

1749
02:08:14,380 --> 02:08:15,380
 Yeah.

1750
02:08:15,380 --> 02:08:16,380
 Go ahead.

1751
02:08:16,380 --> 02:08:17,380
 Just to reiterate, get on the record.

1752
02:08:17,380 --> 02:08:23,420
 Just to reiterate, asking for that land use planning component, and the details of that

1753
02:08:23,420 --> 02:08:28,140
 that Mara said that she would provide to you, if that could be passed down to us as well.

1754
02:08:28,140 --> 02:08:31,140
 That would be super.

1755
02:08:31,140 --> 02:08:32,140
 Yes.

1756
02:08:32,140 --> 02:08:33,140
 You can do that.

1757
02:08:33,140 --> 02:08:34,140
 Okay.

1758
02:08:34,140 --> 02:08:41,300
 I would like to add to the Matrix a couple of items, and I don't know if it's too premature

1759
02:08:41,300 --> 02:08:46,060
 to ask for these things because we just saw them today in the presentation, but they were

1760
02:08:46,060 --> 02:08:50,460
 things that I thought we could go ahead and start talking about in this committee, and

1761
02:08:50,460 --> 02:09:01,820
 that would be three car-free areas, maybe as they might be proposed, and then some incentives

1762
02:09:01,820 --> 02:09:14,260
 or ideas for City of Denton employees to bike or walk to work, even what that looks like.

1763
02:09:14,260 --> 02:09:21,780
 Then the last thing is, for rebates, I know that ... I don't think that this is on there

1764
02:09:21,780 --> 02:09:27,620
 already, but for landscape, to help ... I know that there's a lot of people who want

1765
02:09:27,620 --> 02:09:32,500
 to remove their lawn, but the investment of what to replace it with or what to do after

1766
02:09:32,500 --> 02:09:39,100
 that is a lot, and so they're just kind of stuck there with half grass and half ... You

1767
02:09:39,100 --> 02:09:41,760
 know what I mean?

1768
02:09:41,760 --> 02:09:47,940
 Me being one of them, and just to have something there for people to look at, "Okay, so if

1769
02:09:47,940 --> 02:09:54,100
 I remove my lawn, is there a rebate or some kind of incentive or something that's going

1770
02:09:54,100 --> 02:10:04,380
 to help encourage residents to put in low-water landscape or drought-tolerant plants or rocks,

1771
02:10:04,380 --> 02:10:08,940
 maybe some not-even landscapes, so just if that's an option?"

1772
02:10:08,940 --> 02:10:12,460
 I know Stephen mentioned that when he talked about the one-water plan.

1773
02:10:12,460 --> 02:10:16,660
 We can look at ideas for the interim until that plan's ready.

1774
02:10:16,660 --> 02:10:17,660
 Okay.

1775
02:10:17,660 --> 02:10:18,660
 All right.

1776
02:10:18,660 --> 02:10:19,660
 Thanks.

1777
02:10:19,660 --> 02:10:20,660
 Thanks.

1778
02:10:20,660 --> 02:10:21,660
 All right.

1779
02:10:21,660 --> 02:10:22,660
 I think we're on to concluding items.

1780
02:10:22,660 --> 02:10:30,140
 Does anybody have any announcements or anything for concluding items?

1781
02:10:30,140 --> 02:10:31,140
 Any events?

1782
02:10:31,140 --> 02:10:32,140
 Anything?

1783
02:10:32,140 --> 02:10:33,140
 No?

1784
02:10:33,140 --> 02:10:34,140
 All right.

1785
02:10:34,140 --> 02:10:42,180
 Well then, we will conclude at three ... Let me get this correct, 3/11.

1786
02:10:42,180 --> 02:10:43,380
 Thank you very much, everybody.