Good morning, we are here at the City of Denton Mobility Committee at 8 a.m. in the council
work session room.
Do we have any citizen comments on the agenda item?
Does anybody have?
It doesn't seem to be there.
So we'll move on to items for individual consideration.
House 1, MC 23-018, consider approval of the minutes May 24th.
Since you are newly on the board, the committee here, we don't have the quorum to approve
the minutes from May 24th, so we would need another person here.
So we're going to move on from there.
Yes, sir?
Councilor McGee and I can't verify the minutes, so is there a process where only one committee
member can verify the minutes?
I think it's a quorum issue here, so two people are a quorum, so he's not here.
So I will, just for expediency, even though I will, if you will attest to the minutes,
then I will move approval of the minutes.
I can attest to the minutes.
And I will accept your as a statement of fact and move approval of the minutes.
Well, that's great.
So yes.
So all in favor?
Aye.
All right, there you go.
Thank you.
Moving on to MC 23-19, Receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the City of Denton
Transportation Mobility Project Status Report.
Yes, ma'am, and today we have Barry Heard with ITS here to present the information for
us.
He has the packet ready.
Good morning.
Present.
There it is.
Present.
Thanks.
All right.
I'm Barry Heard.
I'm here to present the Mobility Report.
These are the projects we have, starting out with number one, FM 2181.
When I started -- when I retired with TechStat in 2016, this project was just getting started.
And we don't have this on our reports very often that we say completed, but this has
been a project that's taken a few years and very glad to say that it's completed, FM 2181.
I-35 North, this is split up into four separate projects, and there's 115 parcels for acquisition
on the 74 CSJ, 113 of those parcels are in possession and two in negotiations.
We're working to expedite the design, resubmittal at the end of July 2023.
That's with AT&T.
These utilities are finalizing all across the city of Denton.
We're expecting to have that agreement later this month.
And everybody else is just finishing up.
The interchange letting, the important thing to note here is the letting is April 2024
with completed plans in December of 2023.
Right now those plans are under 95% review.
And the city of Denton is working with TWU on the medallion.
And those utilities are expected to be completed in August.
So this project is $466 million, it's a very big project.
Here's the utilities, they're just finishing up also.
Next project, I-35E at May Hill, $116 million project scheduled to let, ready to let in
February 2024 with a June 25 let date, 35W frontage roads, 60% plan review is going to
be submitted later this week, 100% plan scheduled for December of 2023.
And currently, ready to let is December 24.
And we expect right away acquisition to be complete in September.
380, US 380, US 377, this project's under construction, $20 million project with Regal
doing the construction, they're working on the medians and the sidewalks, mainly on the
west end of the project currently.
Loop 288 West frontage roads, this project is expecting 100% plans in February 2024.
And again, this is another submittal, a 60% submittal that is planned at the end of July
in the next few weeks, or the next few days actually.
CPMY is a consultant and there was a TCP traffic control plan conference held last week.
Loop 288 East and the US 380 connector, this is a project we're actually having a public
meeting tomorrow night here in Denton.
It's a, the current estimated cost is approximately $650 million.
Bonnie Bray segment seven, this is an extension of the project that was just previously connecting
Bonnie Bray to the loop.
FM 1515 airport road, estimated construction costs approximately 34 million, 100% plans
are scheduled for May of 2024 with a ready to let date of June 2025.
Right now, almost all the right of way is acquired and once that's done, the utilities
will, utility relocations will start.
FM 1173, this is mainly from, in crumb from 156 to I-35.
It's an estimated construction cost of 88 million, 100% plans in March 2024 with a ready
to let of February 2025.
Currently, there are 41 parcels on the right of way parcels.
One parcel parcels are in eminent domain and 34 in possession.
The outer loop, this is a project that has recently started within the past six months.
It's a $1.5 billion project and this goes from State Highway 289 in Collin County to
I-35 north of Dent.
Noman Locust, this is the turn back with the City of Denton from, with TxDOT and once this
is approved, the city will provide a resolution to complete the process.
That's one thing I was going to mention on the outer loop.
The public meeting was held earlier in June and the comment period closed on June 22nd.
Have you all gotten a chance to review those comments yet?
They're in the process of reviewing those right now.
Once they're reviewed, all the responses will be posted online to the Denton County website
as well as TxDOT.
TxDOT has a link, Keep It Moving Dallas, and that link goes right to the county website
and those will be posted there.
I have a question about Bonnie Bray.
Let me go back down here.
That yellow part that we're looking at there, is the yellow part that's going north and
south, is that a new road or is that just an improved road right there?
Because it seemed like I thought that Bonnie Bray just went directly straight.
It is a new road.
Right, so currently there is a connection that goes underneath the loop off of 77.
It's further to the west where Barry's Parcer is.
And that roadway will no longer be the connection.
So what we're working with UNT as it impacts their property, and then also with the Loop
288 frontage road project that they're having the public hearing on Thursday, this has been
added as a portion.
So if you recall, Bonnie Bray Phase 6 will come from the south and basically make a perpendicular
angle at 77.
So this would be the connection piece between Bonnie Bray Phase 6 to the new loop project.
And so we've been coordinating with access.
We did not want to have this area be stranded and not have access to it.
The portion that Barry was showing you that's further to that west, that roadway continues
north and there are folks that receive access from that area.
So we've coordinated with transportation planning and then of course development services team
and our team just to make sure that there's still access to the frontage roads and that
you can continue north.
So there will continue to be a lot of coordination with UNT as they're looking at their master
plan in that area.
That portion that you see north of the loop that kind of sticks out a little bit, that's
a graphical representation.
That's not currently really in the works to make a new roadway go north in that area.
Currently what we're proposing and working with is to tie, there'll be a frontage road
along that area, tie that frontage road back to the existing Bonnie Bray that's to the
west of that location.
Because there will no longer be that U-turn turn around underneath.
But it'll go roughly from right here to right here.
That's correct Barry, thank you.
Also that north loop 288 to 35, they're right there.
That whole space right there is going to be frontage roads first, do you all build the
frontage roads first or do you all work?
We don't have the traffic control plan, this is just in the schematic phase but that will
be one way to do it.
Yeah, let's build the frontage roads first while all the traffic's on the main lanes
and go from there.
However, that's not been finalized.
But this is different than, so it's different than the loop 288 west.
So what is a little bit confusing is on the loop 288 west project, they are specifically
building the frontage roads first and then we'll come back at a later date.
It's based then over time, yes.
This project, and you'll see this tomorrow night, has an ultimate cross section, three
lanes each direction with frontage roads.
And so the way that it's constructed or the manner of which Barry's just mentioning, that
will come through as a part of the traffic control from the design engineer as to what
makes sense to construct first.
Many times, they do construct the frontage roads first, get traffic flowing on that,
then go back and work towards the center.
But those decisions have not been made because it's in schematic phase.
Several years out still on that determination.
Well I was just, keep thinking in mind of the developers that...
Providing access.
Yeah, for what they're doing, so...
We're gonna work closely with the city, we already have been on the access on this project,
so we will continue that throughout the project development.
The schematic environmental and the plans.
Just wanna comment on 380, I've been traveling up and down that way here lately for some
reason and just recognizing the good work that's being done and...
They make good progress here the last few months.
I'll pass that along.
Yeah, be sure and pass that along.
Definitely I will.
The work is not...
They're not working in vain.
Exactly.
It's definitely helping, so thank you for that.
You have any questions?
Yeah, I had similar questions and seems like your order was to run through yours, I appreciate
you letting me...
Can we go back to the Bonnie Bray?
I'll have Bonnie Bray's 288 and Outer Loop questions.
On that one, just to clarify a little, we're not...
The graphical extension is just that.
We're not anticipating jogging back to the left and hooking back in to North 77 at this
time up to Sanger and whatnot.
At this time, no.
Okay.
We don't have currently the growth in that area to make those improvements.
This is a, like I said, a graphical representation as the project moves forward and progresses
forward.
There may be a situation where along with the mobility plan, there might need to be
an additional roadway or improvements to existing old Bonnie Bray, air quotes.
At this time, no.
What we're proposing or what we've been working with Texton and their design engineer on is
actually just having a frontage road connection between...
Right there.
Correct.
Can I ask what is the impetus to move it 200 yards to the east?
That's based on a request from UNT as well as working with the city.
This intersection is close to the 77 intersection now.
This provides for a greater development as well as when this comes in at a 90 degree
angle at 77.
This makes this connection much more safer, much better, yes.
We are anticipating traffic control at 77 and Bonnie Bray.
There will be a traffic signal at that location.
It doesn't face six and right at 77.
It does end at 77.
Our anticipation is that folks could use Bonnie Bray all the way even from where Bonnie Bray
hits 35 down near the Textot office, use Bonnie Bray all the way north to get on the loop
or you could come up all the way 35 and then get on the loop.
It's just another access point.
Are you pulling out the old Bonnie Bray in that segment?
Yes.
This part?
Yes.
Condemned and returned to grass?
Are you talking about the existing portion that's to the west?
That will know...
We're working through.
We've asked to keep the connection to 77, so the driveway connection, the roadway connection
to 77, that will be something we work through as a design process, but our anticipation
is that that roadway cross section will no longer be there.
The right of way will be there, but it'll no longer make the connection to go underneath
the loop.
Whether the pavement stays, whether that becomes a way that's a dead end or a cul-de-sac so
folks could develop on either side, those determinations have not been made.
That's one thing.
It'll work itself out over time, I think.
Yes, but putting a positive plan on that is always better than being reactive.
Yes.
I just don't think we're quite there yet.
If we could go to the 288 East and 380.
For those segments, are we widening those interchanges at Locust and Sherman, or that
you're just indicating intersections?
No, they will be reconstructed at the interchanges, yes.
Okay, so my concern at Sherman is we just reconstructed those interchanges, and so we're
reconstructing them?
We're tying in to what's there as well as making improvements, so anything that can
be saved will be saved, but we ultimately want to make the intersection fit the project.
Keep in mind, too, this will not all be at grade.
There will be some elevation to this, so some of it will be bridge connections, some of
it will be overpass, some of it will be braided ramps, those types of things.
Not everything will be at grade, and it's in a very preliminary state at this point,
so when you see the overall schematic, it's more of here's the cross section that will
fit within the right of way that's anticipated, and those details will be worked out through
the design phase.
Schematic phase is really more of a graphical representation.
Until you get to 30% design and really even 60% design, 65 is what they call plans adequate,
a lot of those details will not be worked out, and it could be up to a year from now.
We're expecting the environmental clearance in July 2025, so that's two years from now,
then start the detailed design, so yes, approximately one year before the 60% schematic would be
finalized, and that's when we set the right of way footprint from there.
Given that, and given the sort of nebulous nature and the incomplete design process,
the next part of this question is going to allude to what was in the paper and what you
and I have discussed before separately, and that is the amount of right of way and the
residential parcels, some of the retail and DASD parcels right along those segments.
Do we have sufficient right of way, or we're going to have to domain in the domain things?
Right now it's just currently, this is all a textile project, but right now it's currently
very schematic in nature, so they're looking at is the roadway cross section 110 feet,
is it 135, is it 300 feet, but what they have done is brought to us different examples of
areas where there's one area if you drive throughout that corridor, homes are built
very close to the edge.
So what they've done is a modified cross section to actually allow for the roadway section
to be more narrow in that area so that there won't be the impact to the homes in those
areas.
So those are things that they will evaluate through design is are there things that they
can do to make the lanes more narrow or not have as much median between the frontage road
and the main lanes.
So they're evaluating all those things and they've already submitted to us an actual
cross section to evaluate that's narrow in that area.
Our goal with this project is to have not only the main lanes and the frontage road,
but also a side path throughout this entire area.
Keep in mind there's large transmission poles also in this area and large water line transmission,
and so all of those conversations are happening.
We've actually taken their overview of their schematic and put the water and wastewater
infrastructure and DME infrastructure on those drawings and started having some of those
very preliminary conversations of this is going to be a very hot area for the city because
we can't have this impact.
We've already told them you can't construct during these timeframes because we have water
supply concerns.
So those conversations are already- Utility point is very important on this
project.
So we've been having those conversations.
It'll be up to TxDOT once they look at the final right away cross section, but they're
very cognizant of the fact that there are homes in these areas.
And you'll see it when you look at the schematic, and we're happy to point that out and show
those things to you where the cross section, and when I say the cross section, the roadway
cross section, where it's actually been narrowed instead of the ultimate to make sure that
it is looking into the homes that are on the south and the north side of that roadway.
Okay, and then you and I and Scott had this conversation before about the extension, the
on-ramp from 380 on to 288 on the east, starting around Mayhill-ish, no, it's east of Mayhill.
So is that alignment firmed since we discussed-
No.
... at least at the time, where the development on the 288-
Right.
Originally there was a connection farther to the west, and then that's what I was saying
a little bit earlier, is we're working through the development with the city.
So this alignment that you see here is in a feasibility portion, so it's a little farther
back than the schematic and environmental on the main part of the loop.
There's really a difference.
It's going to go through more evaluation still, and that's what's going to be presented tomorrow
night also.
Yeah, and I would just add to that that there are still both alignments.
One was the schematic version of the alignment.
It's still there, yes.
And then this is the revised version as an alternate location, and the purpose of tomorrow's
meeting is to receive feedback to understand kind of what the community feels as far as-
And the individuals who are present, they also have that opportunity for public comment
to say this is an impact versus this is an impact, but both of those routes are still
going to be a part of the evaluation process throughout the entire public meeting in that
phase, and they'll give a timeframe.
And you'll see both of those on the schematic, so it's very hard to understand, and it also
is a process many times that obviously residents, council, et cetera, they're trying to understand,
okay, well, when is this going to happen?
What's the impact?
How is this impacting the development community?
How is this impacting my home?
I currently live there, et cetera.
That's why both of the schematics exist.
I will also tell you that we meet monthly with Barry, the design firm who's actually
working on this for the county, TextDOT, UNT's present, and have a meeting to actually go
through with development services team and transportation planning, and review every
single development that's come along that entire cross-section, so we can be letting
them know, hey, we've just received this development application, hey, we're working on this capital
project.
So we're doing monthly check-ins at the schematic phase, even though it's very preliminary,
just so they're aware of the types of development we're seeing and where those locations are.
Those are separate from our regular meetings, which are hour, two-hour long meetings every
month.
I appreciate you all doing that because there's so much development coming in there, and building
something new and then eminent domain it like a year later is really foolish.
That's where the other alignment came from as far as the feasibility.
My last question is on the outer loop.
When I was at the meeting, it seemed like it was the light blue path, but there's none
of the potential paths on here.
Has that firmed up since the last meeting?
We're still going under the comments.
If I remember, I want to say there was 167 different alignments or variations of alignments
throughout this corridor, and they're still going through the comments, working with the
Corps of Engineers along FM428.
So I would say it's going to be several months more before there's even narrowed down to
several alignments.
Okay.
Yeah, and I'd just add, Barry, that the design firm for this project also, we've been meeting
with on a fairly regular basis, not monthly.
We do meet with them this week on Thursday, and their goal is similar, to ask what capital
projects we have in the area.
Trevor's team has projects going up 35 to the Milam Road area as a part of the 35 project,
but also to find out from our team what are the developments we see in the area, and then
I want the development services team to have the opportunity to explain some of the Northeast
area plan that they're working on.
So we're meeting with them, actually tomorrow, to talk about what the city's doing in those
areas and the impacts.
We're working to have that open dialogue, so like I mentioned on the previous, is they
understand here are the things that are happening within the city of Denton that either could
or could not make an impact on what their plans are, what their proposal.
At this current time, they're still kind of showing that green, I call it the blob, because
there is not an alignment that has been selected.
As Barry mentioned, they're going through a number of comments that have been received,
and typically they will get it down to a couple of fixed alignments and then have another
public conversation.
Well, as you know from all these community meetings and the comments that everybody's
gotten from the public, there's a lot of, the concern is too strong, but a lot of focus,
a lot of interest in North Denton and South Sanger populations on exactly where this is
going through, where it's punching through Aubrey and all that.
There's a lot of, there's a laser focus on this.
Same meetings that Becky had mentioned with all the cities, Aubrey, Salina, Krugerville,
Pilot Point, Sanger, Salina, this is part of a regional project also that goes through
Collin County, Rockwell County, Kauffman County, all the way down to I-20, which will eventually
go through Ellis to 45, I-45.
Yeah.
It's hard to understand also because we're looking at it specifically within our county
or our impacted area, but this roadway is actually shown on the 20-45 mobility plan
that NETCOG has and so that's a part of their overall adopted plan for the entire Metroplex
and that's the impact he's talking about is it's five or six counties that it actually
will go through at some point.
I think that's all my questions, I appreciate you.
Well, while we were discussing that, I was thinking about that big monstrosity down in
Houston where they were having to push out and put additional roads out and Highway 6.
I lived maybe about 10 miles from 610 and to see just everything going south and I thought
Richmond used to be far away and Katy used to be far away, but I'm appreciating all of
this.
Aubrey, I'm envisioning a big highway coming through Aubrey, so that'll be interesting
to see.
There's a lot of planning going in.
Fortunately, we're working with the developers through that area.
The growth, the projected growth, it's hard to believe how much projected growth that's
coming to the area for sure.
Well, I don't have any other questions.
Thank you so much.
I appreciate your time.
Thank you, Barry.
Okay, thank you.
So we'll move on to MC 23-026, receive a report, hold a discussion and give staff direction
regarding moving the Mobility Committee meeting time from 10 to 8.
All right.
Yes, ma'am.
So we just wanted to bring this forward.
I know there was discussion about changing that as a part of some of the council meeting
that happened and then also with the new committee members.
So we have the schedule provided for you also to show the meetings that would be left.
So we would obviously have August, September, October, November, December.
Our plan is to meet the fourth Wednesday of the month except for December because that
would be during the Christmas holiday or in between, I should say, Christmas and New Year's
holidays.
So we're just asking for a direction to formally move the meeting from 10 a.m. to 8 a.m. on
that fourth Wednesday of the month.
Okay, do you have any questions, any discussion?
My understanding is where the timeframe was moving to accommodate members' schedules.
So I think that that member isn't here.
I don't know if it was here.
Was it the last member that was here that's no longer on this committee or?
Councilor McGee's schedule?
My understanding is Councilmember McGee would like to meet you at 8 a.m. so that he could
be able to attend as a part of being a part of this committee, not a previous member of
the committee.
Okay.
Okay, good.
Well, I don't have a problem with the timeframe of the schedule.
I don't either.
I'm here.
All right.
Well, I'll move that we accept the new timeframe.
Second.
All in favor?
Aye.
All right.
Thank you.
That was pretty simple.
I'll move down to MC 23-021, staff memorandum.
Awesome.
So Trevor is going to present the first couple of items of Bonnie Bray and Hickory, and then
Brett has an entire couple of pages of items that were brought up as agenda items.
And then we'll close out with any future items that you have.
So Trevor, we'll turn it over to you.
Sure.
So good morning.
Trevor Crane, Director of Capital Projects.
So I'm going to go through the first couple, and then as Becky said, I'll turn it over
to Brett to go through the last couple.
So the first update we have is Bonnie Bray.
So Bonnie Bray Phase 3, we advertised that for bid in April.
You should see that construction contract coming to you in August, August 15th.
And then we anticipate construction beginning in Q3 of this year, pending that approval
of that contract.
Bonnie Bray Phase 6, we're on track to advertise for bid in Quarter 3 of this year.
We're working through a couple of final right-of-way issues, and then we've gotten -- we're just
waiting on the letter of approval from TxDOT.
So move -- or the state letter of authority to move forward with that.
So both of those projects are really close, and I'm sure to have those under construction
this year.
Both of those projects have an approximate two-year construction timeline and are anticipated
to be completed in Quarter 3 of 2025.
And then moving on to Hickory Creek Road Phase 3, that project's moving forward, not much
to update there.
We are estimating completion in Quarter 1 of 2025, and then the last time we talked
about there was a -- some county roadway construction going on that has been completed, and so we're
moving forward with our schedule.
And then, did y'all have any questions on those two, or you want to do those at the
end, Becky?
>> No, I'm fine.
Go ahead and ask questions.
>> Okay.
>> I have a -- I don't know.
This is a kindergarten-level question.
>> That's okay.
>> I know we talk about Phase 3 and Phase 6.
Have we done Phase 4 and 5, or what is that?
>> So Phase 4 was actually broken into two projects, 4A and 4B.
4A was the roundabout.
So that project has been completed.
4B is from -- is from I-35 to the roundabout going north.
That project is currently under design, we're at about 90%.
And then Phase 5 is from the roundabout north to 380.
That project is under design as well, about 30%.
Both of those projects we submitted as a part of the 2023 county trip funding, and that
funding was approved.
So we're moving forward with those designs right now.
We don't -- I don't really want to push those too fast, since we're about to have a portion
south of that under construction on Bonnebray and Bonnebray 6 on the north side.
So we're trying to kind of stagger out that construction so I don't have that whole corridor
under construction at the same time.
>> I was pretty basically concerned about the new population that's coming up.
I know that they're starting to build town homes and over on that Phase 5 area.
>> Yes, ma'am.
>> So we'll wait until -- it looks like we can wait until they all get settled in and
then start working on the road.
>> Right.
>> That's just kind of like a common sense type thing.
>> Yeah, as Becky said, we coordinate with all of those developers, developments as they
come in so they understand where the road's going and what type of right of way we need
and those types of things so that we're not kind of stepping on each other's toes and
those types of things.
>> Okay.
All right, do you have any other questions?
>> I do and it's one that you spurred.
For our -- any of our bridges, our roadways near riparian areas, in our pre-development,
is it the practice for our development that we have to do cultural resource management,
CRM work along those areas?
>> Sure.
So all of those projects are run through really kind of the whole gambit of all that stuff.
So we have our own -- I don't know what Christy's called, but the resource management and the
riparian buffers and all those types of things.
So they're reviewing all those plans.
They're making sure that, you know, we're not disturbing any ESAs or anything like that.
So we've had to do mitigation on other projects.
We've had to shut down projects to do archeological and those types of things.
So all of these projects are being run through -- run through the appropriate people to make
sure that we're checking all those boxes.
>> Okay, and I -- this is just more of a general question.
But because we're a government entity, we're still -- I mean, I know at the state level
you're required to do archeology and CRM work, but for funded projects, I didn't know at
the city level if we are also required to do that on our projects.
>> I think only when necessary.
So depending on where the project is, if it's in a specific location that I guess has been
slated or identified as possibly having that, then we have to do those -- we do those exploratory
and if we find something, then of course we have to continue down that path.
>> But a survey is not necessarily always part of the project generally?
>> I would say yes.
>> Okay.
That's all my questions.
>> Okay.
Perfect.
So thank you to our deputy engineer to do the next part.
Thank you.
>> All right.
Thank you.
>> All right.
Good morning.
I'm Brett Bourgeois, the deputy city engineer, and I'm here to discuss the -- you guys had
a question on the bollards that we have around the city.
So we actually have about 400 different bollard projects that we've deployed on the city,
and I'll kind of just go through each one individually and so we can kind of talk about
each one.
So the first one we're trying to talk about is the one on Old North.
That project came up from community complaints regarding speeding and kind of a confusing
roadway section where we have very wide shoulders and two drive lanes.
It's kind of a shared shoulder type of situation, so it can be parking, it can be pedestrian,
it's kind of this multi-use shoulder configuration.
So we got a lot of complaints regarding speeding.
We've had some pictures and videos of vehicles driving in the shoulder as a drive lane.
So it's kind of a confusing situation there.
So we did have community meetings.
We did put out different signage.
We tried to address the speeding with the signage.
Those were not working.
So we did have the community meeting.
We asked, you know, community feedback as to what that road characteristic they want
it to look like.
Do they want sidewalks?
Do they want bike lanes?
Do they want parking?
Do they want -- what do they want?
They kind of wanted everything, so it kind of really made a challenging situation for
us to come up with a solution.
So we came up with something kind of unique where we did a test section to try to visually
narrow the roadway intersections to get vehicles to slow down, but still provide the multi-use
functionality of that shared shoulder.
So we did a test section out there for a few months.
We studied the speeding behaviors through that test section.
We noticed the test section had a reduction in speed, but sections outside that had an
increase in speed, so we figured that's because vehicles were making up lost time for having
to slow down.
So that gave us kind of the green light to go ahead, let's put the bollards out along
the whole roadway, and let's, you know, observe it and follow it.
So we've been doing that.
We have seen a moderate reduction in speed.
It's kind of been hit and miss throughout the area, but we are continuing to monitor
it.
We did receive some complaints early on in the project.
One of the ones, I got a phone call from a resident in the neighborhood, very frustrated,
she doesn't understand the reason for it, she goes, it's not a bike lane, it's not a
parking lane.
So what this is doing, all it does is make the intersections narrower and slow people
slow down.
It's like that's exactly what we're trying to do.
That was the whole goal of the project.
So far it seems to be working.
We'll continue to watch it.
It's another tool in our toolbox to see if it can be used on other roadways.
Every roadway is kind of a different situation, so we evaluate each one as necessary.
The other one is over here on Parkway, outside here, we have the new on-street trail that
we put in.
So this was a project that was actually conceived, I want to say in 2019, by previous staff.
It got lost in the shuffle during COVID, became a lower priority, and then in 2022 we decided
to revive this project.
We looked at reconfiguring it different than what was originally conceived and come up
with a different solution.
And so when we looked at the roadway section, there was a sidewalk connectivity we have,
and the north side of Parkway there was very little sidewalk, and the south side had a
pretty significant amount of sidewalk.
So the decision was made to reconfigure the on-street trail to push it to the north side
of the roadway.
We held a community meeting, nobody attended.
We had two questions via email that we responded to, so we made a video and posted it online
about what the project's going to be and the thoughts and the ideas behind it.
And then we kicked that design off.
We had to reshuffle some staff, so the design kind of lagged a little bit, but we got the
design completed in the fall.
We held another community meeting over the winter months prior to construction.
We had a fairly significant turnout for that community meeting.
We had a bike dent and advocacy group attended the meeting, and they brought a lot of members
and they were very supportive of the project and excited to see it get installed.
We did get it installed.
The initial response was confusing at first because it was in the middle of construction,
so people didn't know how to function it yet or how to use it.
So all the construction's completed, all the punchless items are done, the ramps are completed,
the striping's all completed.
So we haven't had any complaints since the project was completed, it was just the in-construction
confusion we had.
And then we also noticed that there was some issues with vehicles and drivers not knowing
how to drive that roadway now.
We had people parking in the bike lane.
We had construction vehicles staging in the bike lane.
So it took some time for the community to learn how this roadway functions.
So far we haven't had any complaints on it.
We do see people using it because it's right outside our office.
We've had members of the Traffic Safety Commission be appreciative of it because they use it
also and they have noticed it.
So so far it's been a very successful project.
We'll continue to monitor it and look at ways to improve our overall network connectivity
for bike ped facilities around the city.
So that also supports the 10 minute walk initiative to Quaker Town Park.
So it provides a lot of benefits.
The other two, so the other ones talk about is West Hickory Street.
That's the main bike lanes down there by UNT.
So originally this project was part of the 2012-2014 bond and the project was originally
scoped as just a remove and replace the roadway.
And so when they started the first part of the project over on the east side or the west
side of Denton coming from I think Bonnie Bray or yeah, Bonnie Bray areas going west
or going east, it was just remove the road, replace the road.
But we had community feedback during construction like why are we not adding bike ped facilities?
So the decision was made to add those bike ped facilities, add the bollards and add the
bike dedicated bike lane.
It was a little bit challenging because it wasn't initially designed that way and we
didn't have the right of way necessary to make it a continuous path on the east on the
west side of the project.
The project was cut into two halves.
The second half kicked off continuing that bike lane from Welch, Welch Street was the
cutoff point.
Yeah.
So from Welch Street all the way to Carroll, the bike lane was designed as part of it to
make it continuous.
So they actually did a pretty good job of trying to fit this into the field.
It wasn't initially scoped that way or designed that way, but we did get it all in.
It seems to be a very successful project, especially down there in the UNT area with
a lot of pedestrians.
Unfortunately, we don't have pre-numbers or pre-analysis of what it was used before
to where it is now.
So we can't really just talk about the effectiveness of it other than just observations and empirical
data.
So we don't have anything where to compare previous conditions to existing conditions.
And then the other one is on Hinkle Drive and that was kind of a similar situation where
it was part of the 2012, 2014 bond and it was actually a drainage project.
And the goal was to put the roadway back the way it was.
But the community said, "Hey, why don't you add another bike lane here?"
And it provides connectivity up to North Lakes Park.
It provides connectivity up to Windsor Street, which is a fairly good bike ped corridor with
a lot of facilities on it.
And it also connects to the shopping center down off of 380 and Hinkle.
So the decision was made to add the bike lane on that project during construction again.
We actually had the right-of-way width, the road width, so we shifted parking to one side
and put bike lane on the east side of Hinkle.
And so again, that was kind of an infield change decision during construction.
So that was, again, wasn't designed or intended that way, but we made it work and was able
to incorporate that now.
Lessons learned from those two projects is that we always look at bike ped facilities
now whenever we do a project.
So these are ones that were historic, were originally scoped and funded.
Not to include those, but we were able to accommodate them, and everything we do going
forward is including bike ped facilities.
And then...
Are you saying bike ped facilities?
Yes.
Oh, okay.
Yes, that could be a side path, on-street trail, bike lanes, including some form of
multimodal access besides just vehicles.
And then to give an update on the hiring of our senior planner, bicycle pedestrian ADA
coordinator position, we've had a pool of candidates.
We've conducted many interviews.
We've actually extended two offers to two different candidates, both declined for reasons
outside of our control.
One had actually both personal reasons as to why they declined.
So unfortunately, we haven't been able to fill that role.
During that time, we've decided to pull down the application to revise the job description,
to repost it.
And we're looking at the different organization structure and who's going to report to and
how the city is going to function, and we're going to repost that position and fill that.
Any other questions?
Any questions?
Yes, I have a question, are there any bike pit connecting to one another at all right
now?
Or is everything just, it looks like there's things just this here and over here and over
here and over there.
Does anything connect to another path at all yet?
So in terms of the dedicated baller projects, none of those are actually connected right
now, but they do connect to other bike ped facilities.
So for example, is we're working on a project that we have funded through DCTA trip funding
to improve sidewalks along Carroll, which will provide the connection from West Hickory
along Carroll to the Parkway area.
So it's not going to be a ballered bike ped project, but it's going to be improved sidewalks
along there.
So when we look at the overall network connectivity, we don't just look at the ballered bike lanes,
we look at the side paths, the sidewalks, the on-street bike trails, the shared lanes
to make sure we have a network of different facilities.
They might not all look the same, but it's a way that people can navigate the city either
by bicycle or walking.
Do you all have a priority list for what's going to be next?
How do you all work that?
Do you just wait until somebody calls in with a complaint or?
No.
So we do have a sidewalk work plan, which we did outlining the condition of all the
sidewalks and the bicycle pedestrian facilities throughout the city.
So we have areas that we know are deficient and areas that we know are in pretty good
condition.
And then we look at the areas that we have gaps that we don't have anything.
And so these projects are much more cost effective if we bundle them with roadway projects because
you're mobilizing construction equipment, having to do check down a roadway a lot of
times.
So we try to bundle our projects with roadway projects and to get more bang for our buck.
So we can come in and build new side paths, new sidewalks, new bike trails at the same
time that we're reconstructing our roadway.
And so every project that we look at from a roadway is, okay, we need to add bike ped
facilities here.
Does it need to be a side path on which side of the road?
Does it need to be a bike lane on what side of the road?
How's that going to connect to our existing infrastructure?
Sometimes what we do is that we also fund through like the DCTA trip funding where we
look at, okay, what is our bike ped connectivity?
What are projects that can improve that?
We submit those projects to DCTA.
We've won many of them.
We are working through those and designing construction on a lot of those right now.
So we have some on loop 288 that we're doing.
We have the one at Carroll Boulevard that we're designing.
We're filling in those gaps as best we can.
We do have a goal for the overall bike ped network.
We want to make a continuous, think of us like a wheel, like a north-south connectivity
from downtown through the city and east-west connectivity and then build out from there.
Oh, that sounds cool.
So we're working towards that.
That's part of all these projects are eventually going to build out to a complete network.
It's just we're trying to take advantage of tacking onto other projects and other bigger
projects where our contribution is smaller to the overall project scope versus having
to pay a higher mobilization costs, all the other kind of things.
All right.
Thank you so much.
I wanted to also mention that the mobility plan and ADA transition plan is also being
evaluated throughout all of these projects.
So we're looking at where their specific projects that were either listed in that massive list
of projects for the ADA transition plan or on the mobility plan because we have a map
specifically to bicycle or pedestrian.
Those are all evaluations.
So we have that as a part of our planning phase when we go through projects.
As Brett mentioned though, right now we're seeing a lot of success with adding them to
existing projects and then also allocating funding with those DCTA trip projects.
I asked Trevor to come up really quickly so that he could talk about the PPI index, which
is the scoring we use for sidewalks.
So I thought that would be something he could explain.
And as you talked about a work plan, that's kind of how we actually facilitate the order
of which the projects are moved forward.
Right.
So as you can imagine, we get a lot of requests for sidewalks and those types of things.
So we wanted to be able to put some data behind and have some data-driven decisions as far
as where we spend that money that we get instead of just kind of being reactive and going out
and fixing this spot and this spot.
So what we did is we worked with a consultant to create what we call a PPI score.
And what it does is it takes into account proximity to, let's say, a school or a DCTA
bus stop, or I think there's seven different criteria where we find what they call like
a goat path, where people are walking where there's no path.
So all those things are rated, there's all these scores, and then we give each of those
sidewalks a rating, how many of those criteria they meet, and then depending on how many
they meet, that brings it up or down that sidewalk work plan.
So that's really how we try to prioritize those sidewalks so that we're making those
data-driven decisions, trying to address the areas that need to be addressed first that
show the highest need.
Okay.
Thank you.
Yes, ma'am.
All right.
Go ahead.
So many questions.
Especially for Brett.
Yes.
Let me start with the last first.
I'm glad that you two brought up the PPI index.
I was going to bring it up, so I appreciate that.
Before the destination planning, the desire path planning that's going on that correlates
with the PPI, is that in one of our GIS layers, or do we have it as a static map that we can
get out to the public where we can say, "Yes, here's the bike ped map you're already familiar
with, but here's sort of our prioritization based on PPI that we can get out so people
can start changing their behavior in advance of the mobility plan rolling out?"
Yes.
So we do have a sidewalk work plan story map, which goes to GIS connected, showing all the
sidewalks what the rankings are in terms of the PPI score.
And then the one thing that we are working on is updating that map as projects are completed.
We actually just got a GIS technician not too long ago, so we're getting through and
getting all the past projects completed that we've done onto that story map, onto that
GIS layer.
And as we do projects, we'll make sure we update them or revise that map as necessary.
I think the other thing I would add is there are several different, I guess, pieces of
data or data sets.
And so you have the mobility plan, and it has kind of a plan, a pie in the sky, "Hey,
this is our dream."
And then you have a sidewalk work plan that says, "This is the areas of which we think
we need to have projects."
And then you have the projects that are being planned through the capital program.
You have the projects that Ethan's team is doing from a maintenance and operation standpoint.
You have existing sidewalk.
You have gaps.
We have developers that were saying, "No, you can't develop without building a sidewalk."
There's a lot of competing things that are happening all at once.
So with Ryan Drumgold, our GIS technician, he has actually been taking all that data
and putting it into one GIS layer.
I think to your point, kind of after we're all confident and we're working through kind
of that QA/QC right now, and a lot of this is due to the filing having an individual
has the ability to make this thing happen, one, so we're very happy to have that staff,
but two, you know, seeing the big picture and pulling all these different documentations
together, you know, working through the bicycle and pedestrian safety audit, also being able
to explain and kind of talk through that story.
I think the next step for us would be, and maybe I'm maybe reading into more of what
you're saying than I should be, but I think maybe the next area where I'd like to really
focus is, as Brett was mentioning, as those projects are completed, having that more as
an outward-facing, "Hey, I'm bike-ditting or I'm a part of the bicycle community.
Here's a route I can take."
So our goal would be if you're on the south side of town, how do you get to the north
side of the town, east to the west, or I get off the DCTA A train down by Hickory Street,
kind of more on the, I guess, middle part of town, but I want to get to UNT or I want
to get to TWU, can I click on a map, click on a layer, and it show me the network so
I know what is the existing network that I could use?
So I think that would be our next step.
That is where it was going.
Okay.
Well, I was reading your mind.
Very ambitious.
No, and I think it's just, I mean, so that there's pent-up demand and people want to
be able to, well, a section of our community wants to be able to make better use of any
lessening of the density on the roadways is going to be good for many departments.
For the Old North, full disclosure, I am the community feedback that they were referencing.
I'm not the only one, but I was the funnel for lots of people along the Old North corridor,
and I did send in the pictures, but a couple of questions on that regard in, I know one
of the things that, before Nathan left, that we were talking about is alternative striping
plans that would augment some of what you found with the bollards.
Is that sort of down the road a bit while we wait on this new position, or we're moving
ahead with concepts about alternative striping, like one bike lane, one park lane, or, you
know, he mentioned a lot of things, so this is, I understand it's not a concrete thing.
Yeah.
So, when we looked at the layout for Old North, we did evaluate, you know, different alternatives
in terms of at least conceptually how would it look to put a different bike lane or put
a parking.
The feedback we got was pretty much consistent, that everybody wanted parking on both sides,
they wanted bike lanes on both sides, they wanted sidewalks on both sides, and we couldn't
really make all that happen without taking right of way to add sidewalks, so the first
step was to put the bollards at the intersections to try to reduce the traffic speed and to
provide a physical barrier to prevent vehicles from driving in that lane as a drive lane,
essentially.
We haven't gone to the next step yet in looking at the striping.
We're evaluating how the performance of the bollards are.
Once we do get the bike ped coordinated around, we will definitely go back and look at that
situation and work with our transportation planning department in terms of what else
can be done.
We actually did just hire a transportation engineer again, so he'll help out in that
process of looking at alternatives for that roadway as well.
I appreciate that, and so some feedback I got from the community is they've noticed
the speed dropping anecdotally because they're not out there with radars, but it does seem
like they're positive to me about that.
One of the things, and I've mentioned this to Trevor, I don't know, half a dozen times,
they don't like the look of them.
I know.
I don't know what we have in the way of different visual options.
They do have to be a safety-related item.
They do need to be reflective.
They do need to be visible.
If we make them blend in too much, then obviously people, they're not going to function.
People are not going to see them, so we are kind of limited on those aspects of it.
We can look into other options or other alternatives and see what else is available.
We'd have to do some research on that and see what other options are available in terms
of colorations.
I mean, I don't know, white and yellow and orange are kind of the standard colors because
they provide high contrast and high visibility.
You don't like my pinwheels that I taped to the ones outside my yard?
I shouldn't admit that on video tape.
The next question, well, not question, comment.
Like you, I got a lot of positive, not early on positive feedback, but later positive feedback
on the parkway striping.
Just lots of people stopped me and said they're really stoked and happy about that.
I don't know what sort of feedback you all have been getting, but I'm adding to that
that it's filtering up to counsel that they like that.
We take it, usually we only hear complaints, so we don't get a lot of positive feedback.
When we see complaints significantly drop off, we're assuming that the functionality
is good and people like it, so we take that as a good sign that people are adapting to
it and enjoying the facilities.
Let's see, let's skip that one because that's just an extra comment.
The question I had was about the bike lane right away and pathing there near the roundabout
in Hinkle.
All that is resolved with the neighbor in the tree that had to come out and all that
settled down.
I haven't honestly driven through the roundabout in a while.
Yes, that's all been taken care of.
The tree was removed, the sidewalk's been installed and that's been done, I don't know,
Danny, six months, eight, a couple of months, so two years, okay, so it's been longer than
I thought.
I don't remember.
Apparently I haven't driven down Hinkle in a while.
It's been two years.
Or my time here.
Or I didn't pay attention.
I have gone to the movie theater.
I drive up and down Windsor and Hinkle, so I have gone to the movie theater, so I have
driven it, but I guess I didn't pay attention.
James is keeping us honest this morning.
I don't remember either.
I do remember it coming to council, but I don't remember the timeframe, so thank you, James.
That's fair and now I'm embarrassed.
Me too.
Time is not our friend.
On the bike ped coordinator, I know you there at the end, you mentioned that there might
be some restructuring or Brett mentioned that there might be some restructuring of the org
chart a little bit, but so do we have any, I don't recall you mentioning a timeframe
for when that was happening and the only reason I bring this up at all is I know that Nathan
had started a lot of positively received activities, you know, positive inside the department,
positive in the community and I want to make sure that we maintain the momentum that Nathan
developed and that we don't sort of lose that as we restructure, so you know, it's more
of a please more comment than anything else.
Sure.
Nathan did an excellent job.
We were very sad to see him go.
He did write an entire document of all of the things that he saw, positive, negative.
We have all of his information projects.
We coordinate heavily with transportation planning and as those things are rolled out
through the city manager's office of any modifications that they'll be making organizationally,
positions, et cetera, I know that those will be things that you'll be made aware of, but
we don't anticipate slowing down the momentum, only to grow with the additional staff if
that is what moves forward.
So I think the good thing is that there are still several of us here that worked with
Nathan and as those opportunities, whether that's a new individual, et cetera, we'll
still continue working through those things, so definitely want to keep moving that in
the right direction and keep that momentum and I think a lot of these ideas and things
that have been worked on, Brett mentioned several of them today, you have to keep in
mind one of the things is not only have we adopted the mobility plan, the comp plan,
the parks trials master plan, the other thing is is TechStats now made it standard on their
projects as of November of 2021 that they're going to allow for sidewalks and side paths,
so that's not even something standard.
So it's an entire mind frame shift.
You'll see projects still being constructed today that are not taking those things into
consideration because they were designed six years ago, five years ago, or they're using
federal funding and you can't make modifications to the plans at the state that they're in,
but you'll see where our entire team, that is just a part of our checklist.
How are we doing BikePed?
How are we doing the multimodal approach?
So it's definitely something that has kind of changed the way we think and then we're
also making those things similarly happen with TechStat and with the county.
So I don't know how this committee works if we put items on the matrix, so I'll revisit
this at the end if that's how this committee works, but yes, we're about to go through
that.
Then I will just put a placeholder for, since we're talking about sidewalks, to discuss
a side path from the shelter to 380 on the matrix if that's not already in the works.
So I'll hold that for later.
So I think, Brett, that's all you have, correct?
I just have one more question, I'm sorry, and I'm just thinking about it.
I'm thinking about a developer had noted that the sidewalks within the development is five
feet wide, and outside the development there was a request to do 10 feet wide.
And is that something, is this what you're talking about, that the state has changed
its course about how wide sidewalks should be as part of a development?
So the state will not be doing typical projects along developments because their corridors
are mainly larger roadways, where that conversation comes in many times is, there is existing
sidewalk that's been put in place, but we have city standard details and specifications
that dictate what should be constructed in what areas based on the mobility plan.
So you may see a five foot sidewalk that's connecting to a 10 foot side path because
the city has plans and a future date to change that five foot sidewalk to a 10 foot side
path.
So we will ask the developers to build things according to our code and criteria that match
our overall master plans, whether it be the mobility plan, the comprehensive plan, knowing
that at some later date there may be a modification made to that existing five foot sidewalk.
So we're having people build to the plan or the standard.
In most cases, there are some that are not, but in most cases that would be in conjunction
with the criteria manuals, specifications, and standard details.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
All righty.
Moving on.
Exhibit two.
All righty.
So go through the matrix really quickly.
So deployment of bicycle bollards, we're asking to remove that.
That item we brought to you today, along with the status of the hiring of the bicycle and
pedestrian ADA coordinator.
That's a long title.
So we're asking to remove both of those.
And then of course, Bonnie Bray and Hickory Creek Road phase three, Trevor will continue
to bring those updates to you monthly.
This is more for you, Mayor Pro Tembeck, is that Ryan Road, we leave this on here kind
of as a future agenda item.
I think you're very aware that we're going to hold on doing Ryan Road until Hickory Creek
is completed, because that is the major east-west corridor.
And then lastly, the TxDOT response for the citywide speed study speed limit changes.
Brett has had some conversations recently with TxDOT.
They've asked us for graphical representations of some of the corridors, but we're waiting
on their overall feedback.
And those are specific to those TxDOT roadways that were a part of the speed study.
So once we received that back, they had given us kind of a six to eight month time frame.
And then they've also asked for some additional data recently, but have not given us a final
time frame when they anticipate being completed with that.
But when that is completed, we will bring that forward.
So we leave it on here so that we don't forget one and two, we bring it back to you.
So the only other thing that I was going to mention, it's not really a future staff report
item specifically, but we will want to bring forward at the next meeting the chair, vice
chair.
And so we will be bringing that forward to you.
And I think that that is everything that I have.
So if you agree with removing those two, we'll remove those.
And then, of course, we'd love to hear anything else that you'd like to see at the next meeting.
Okay.
What do you think about removing those two?
Are you satisfied with it?
It sounds like you are, I mean, we can always bring things back if we have concerns or point
issues.
So absolutely.
How it kind of works, just so you understand is, is we use this time frame for you to bring
forward anything you'd like for us to report on the next month.
And then if we've reported on it, we request to remove it if it's something that we want
to bring to you monthly, we'll continue to bring to you monthly.
And then if there's things that come up kind of in between the two meeting timeframes, we
ask that you bring that forward when we have this meeting so that we can make sure because
if it's not on posting, we can't really talk about it.
So we want to make sure that it's on the agenda item.
The same doesn't get us.
Yes, sir.
He's tough.
I believe that we're in agreement to remove one and two.
Wonderful.
Thank you very much.
And for have just a couple of questions about a few streets here.
The first one is Oakland Street.
I know that we talked about bollards and bike paths and, and all of that, but that street,
I like to know where it is in terms of an overlay or replacement or I mean, it's a really
rough street right there.
Absolutely.
All the way around to Locust Street.
Yes, we have lots of plans for that.
So we can definitely bring you back and I really love that.
And then I am also understanding that there is another multifamily development that is
in the works to come up over on Spencer at that Walmart and on the other side of that
luxury apartment complex across the street from the senior Villa.
But the question is, is, will this new structure, will it affect the roadway in some kind of
way?
Will there be, will we put this road on some type of list to be done?
Things to do list.
Okay.
So specifically Spencer Road between between a 28 Mayhill and Mayhill.
Okay.
Sure.
We can bring that forward because there's going to be more traffic on that road.
And then a car apartment complex come up also, you know, one street that really just kind
of perplexes me is Windsor because there's like Windsor Road is four or five different
streets.
You know, it's just, and some have the pipe bike paid, but when we get to the park, it's
just down to those two lanes.
Is there any, is there something going on with that right now?
I do, I just need to add that to the list.
So there are projects happening along Windsor also.
So we're happy to bring that back to you so we can explain kind of the West Gate Windsor
and that project also as it coordinates with Bonnie Bray face six.
And then of course the fire station right there that's a part of the bond program.
So we can bring forward kind of an overall update of Windsor and kind of talk to you
about future planning.
I know Brett talked about Hinkle to Windsor, but you're talking kind of from that area
all the way due West to 35 and the improvements on 35.
We can bring that back.
That's not what's going on there.
And also I'm not sure if this is in the loop as well, but I've always been, not loop, but
downtown backing in parking.
Can you all bring us some conversation in that regard?
I particularly don't care for it, but I just want to know what the community is thinking
about the backing in.
I know it hadn't always been that way and then there was a request to make it that way.
And so I'm curious now as to what the feedback is from that now that we have new community
members, more people have moved in.
I'm noticing people are actually pulling in more than backing in here lately.
So I like to have that on our radar as well.
Sure we can absolutely do that.
We just gave that update to Traffic Safety Commission.
Yeah it'll be fun to hear.
I should go review that update from Traffic Safety.
I buy the rationale for the backing in parking, but I know that now there's literally like
75,000 people in both camps who love or hate the backing in parking.
So I won't cover that.
A couple of things that I wanted to bring up are, well we discussed a lot of them today
that were sort of my top of mind issues with Brett.
I appreciate it was very timely.
I'm going to give you credit for doing that on purpose with new membership.
Even if it was not planned, if it was already in the cycle, I'm going to say no, you guys
are forward thinking and proactive so you're going to get credit for that.
The ones that I was interested in, I know that you're engaged in a citywide parking
study because I've been talking with Scott about that and the reason I bring this up
is there's both downtown parking and citywide parking and I bring this up because I've been
in discussions with the Oak Street historical community and they're very interested in being
a pilot for future whatever we design as a parking standard because of their ongoing
concerns with competition, with student parking for UNT.
So I'd love to hear some updates from, I've heard some of the development updates, I'd
love to hear some of the mobility and engineering updates for the citywide parking and the downtown
parking and then I guess this isn't an item for, well it might become an item for next
time.
Wherever we get to on the bond meeting, particularly I guess the big ones will be Rudel and Mingo,
however that shakes out after the August 1st meeting, we'll probably need to have an update
on how that changes forward planning going after that depending on where we go.
So if the timing is right and it aligns with the August meeting, great, sounds like it
might because we're going to meet at the beginning of the month so we should, hopefully that's
enough weeks for you to prepare for the end of the month, if not then subsequent month
about how that impacts forward planning in the Rudel and Mingo corridor and how that
changes things, whatever we decide.
So I'm purposely leaving that nebulous but I'm going to ask for it regardless of whatever
the state is.
Sure, yeah we can definitely bring that to you after the meeting on the 1st and depending
on which way it goes, what our anticipations will be.
Alrighty, so I have seven different things to talk about.
One of the things that I would like to bring forward to you as a staff report update and
I don't anticipate that it will be August but one of the things that's on my radar is
kind of what we talked about with the mapping and showing you kind of that overall sidewalk
and bicycle corridor, just actually visually showing it to you and allowing Ryan that opportunity
to present that and kind of walk through some of those ideas just so you can see.
I think it makes a lot of sense to be able to show you kind of those GIS layers and then
I think one of the things I'd like to do is kind of make it a goal that we talk about
kind of that outward facing, we focus a lot on developers, capital, those types of plans
of how are we coordinating and planning for the future and making sure we're coordinating
with developers but I do think it's very important to make sure that those who are using the
different pieces of infrastructure have that opportunity also and we have done things like
that with Waze in the past so kind of thinking in those terms of if I go on my smartphone
and press walk or bike, how does that populate to show me this is the route and that's kind
of where my head is with that.
I don't know if that's kind of what you're thinking Mayor Breton but something I'm going
to.
Any education, outreach and training forward facing to the public, awesome, more the merrier.
So that's kind of where I'm headed with that but I'm not thinking that we're going to
be ready for that in August but I do think that that's something that I'd like to bring
back definitely before the end of the year.
All righty, well that's everything that I have.
We appreciate it.
Will, are there any concluding items, Dr. Beck?
I will just say thank you for bringing me up to speed on some of these items.
I appreciate that.
Give me a couple of meetings and I'll be right there with you.
I try to be, I try to do my homework so I appreciate everybody's indulgence while we
do the change.
Well we will declare that this meeting is over at 9.19.
Awesome, thank you.