Good afternoon and welcome to the work session for the planning and zoning
Commission. We'll convene the meeting at 4.04 on March 20th 2019. The first order
of business is to receive a report and hold a discussion about the Denton
Development Code update and draft zoning map. Is this Ron today? Scott? I saw
Scott on his way so he might be here in a few minutes. Sounds good. I'll turn
over to you Ron. Okay, all right. Chair members of the Commission, members of
staff, this is the last of the series of work sessions that we are scheduled to
have on the DDC update. Both the code as well as the zoning map. What we're going
to be discussing today, well let me let me step back a little bit. What we
discussed at the last work session was subchapter four and five. We briefly
introduced subchapter six which is the development standards. That will be what
are we what we are going to focus today will be subchapter six, seven and eight.
I've invited members of the technical staff, senior staff members with the
city. They have played an important role in this particular subchapter, subchapter
six because it deals with all of the different development requirements that
affect the city. Those that are listed here are those sections that pertain to
subchapter six as you can see here from land disturbing activities to ESA's to
water, wastewater, drainage, landscaping, parking, solid waste. So I know you guys
have a lot of questions and they are here to help answer those questions
because I won't pretend to know all of it or any of it. So they're here. We also
have present our outside council, Brendan McDonald here. If you have any
legal matters I'm sure Jerry can handle it but Brenda is also available if you
need her assistance. So with that I'm gonna go through some of the significant
changes unless you have questions. If you do then we can address those. Again we
have the staff that are that helped drafted the section or the subchapters
and those sections that we just saw. So really open to the Commission. This is a
work session. It's really to get your input. I want to set the stage of what's
included in the subchapter but really we're here to help answer your questions,
receive input, and hopefully we can get a draft that we all can buy into. So any
questions with initial questions? Commissioner Beck. Thank you Chair. I sent staff a load of stuff. So we want to go down? Yes so just for the
Commission's information, Larry was kind enough to send us some questions,
comments in advance. I believe there were Monday and then another set
yesterday. Those were forwarded to the staff that are present today. In fact
there was some responses and I just didn't have any time to forward that to
the Commission as a whole. Again we got them on Tuesday but anyways the fact is
we have some comments that Larry provided. We can go through that if you
like. That's to the purview of the Commission. Okay. Yeah Commissioner Beck.
Thank you. Alright well let's start on page 307 under 6.3.2
applicability. B5. It says stockpiling and handling of earth material
associated with commercial query and landfill operations licensed under the
state. I drew a blank on that. I was hoping maybe we get a clearer meaning of
what this is. Larry repeat one more time the section. Alright it's 6.2 6.3.2
applicability and it'd be B5 which is on actually yeah it's on 307. It says stock
piling and handling of earth material. It's dealing with exemptions. Okay. It says stock piling and
handling of earth material associated with commercial query and the landfill
operations licensed under the state. That just came out of nowhere. It seemed like it
wasn't even relevant to what everything else is. Sure. Can you clarify that? I'd like to invite Ms. Debra
Villar to the podium to answer that question. Good evening Commissioner. The distinction between land
disturbing activities covered in sub chapter 18 that now have been moved to
6.3. Those are activities related during a short period of time during construction
that you have on beginning and an end. Land mining and query activities those
are more long-term. Those are permanent activities and those are covered by a
different permit through TCEQ. Land disturbing activities related to
construction. They are under TXR 150,000 versus the mining and query that will be
TXR 50,000 and those also require a multi sector general permit. So even though
there will be moving dirt as you will be in a construction site they are longer
term duration and that's why they are regulated. Okay. So they're exempted then?
They're exempt from the TXR 150,000 but they're subject to the TXR 50,000. So
they're regulated. It's just different permits. Okay. Page 308 6.3.5 general
standards B. The site operator owner shall provide a copy of the sign notice of
intent from the TCEQ for all sites that are for all sites that are larger than
five acres or are less than five acres and part of a larger common plan of
development that is larger than five acres. And my question was the same part. Less than
five acres. Does this refer to plan development? It could. Okay. TCEQ pretty
much define a larger common plan of development for projects that are
completed in separate stages in separate phases and/or combination of other
construction activities. It also said that when we look into a project we can
use the planning, the zoning, blueprints, marketing plans and contracts, building
permits, public notice for hearings as a way to define that a particular
development was meant to be cohesive and planned together. So those are the
criteria that TCEQ provides to define projects as a part of larger common
development. Okay. And PD could be one of them. Okay. Because PDs are usually larger
than five acres. Correct. Okay. And that's why I was. All right. Page 309.
SWPPP required. D3. Yeah. D3C. Okay. Thanks. If a permittee sells one or more
lots in a subdivision to a purchaser, the permittee may choose to not extend
permit coverage to the purchaser under the permitted, not, what is it, NOI?
NOI. Notice of intent. If this occurs, the permittee remains, the permittee remains
the responsible party for only those lots for which the permittee retains
day-to-day operational control. The purchaser then becomes responsible of
the party for the lots is liable for violation of this chapter. Does the
purchaser then have to obtain an NOI? Correct. Okay. What they can do, they can
share the SWPPP, which is the maintenance and the oversight of the
site. However, the responsibility, the legal responsibility relies on the
owners. And therefore, each party must obtain an NOI. When somebody purchases a
lot, then they will have to do something called notice of change submitted to
TCEQ to say things have changed. This is the new person who is responsible for
this lot. And then that new person gets an NOI. Who alerts the city, that the
original owner? They're supposed to keep us abreast of all those changes in of
notices. Yes, we get copies of that. And if they don't, then there's a section in
there that deals with violations, right? Correct. When we go to, we do inspections
every three weeks, one of the things that we verified is the SWPPP. And if
anything has changed, that should have been reflected on that document as well.
Most of the time, they will let us know and then we'd say, well, that, those are
the additional steps that you have to follow. Okay. And it keeps mentioning the
Environment Sensory Criteria Manual. Has that been completed or are we still
waiting for this? Actually, we have a draft. We are going to the COE in April,
our first meeting, that will start the process for vetting that Criteria Manual
and gathering public input. After we are done with COE, then we will bring it to
the Planning and Sorting Commission. But yes, we have a draft. Will that be done
before or after we approve the new DDC? I believe the intent is just to get that
within the six months. We are trying to get it done in close proximity. From the time we
approve the DDC? By the time that we start enforcing the DDC, we should have
a ESA Criteria Manual. Okay. Page 313. Footnote 818. Consolidated Draft.
Cross-reference to be provided in the subsequent draft, referencing the Parkland
dedication ordinance. My question is, will this be the final draft or do we
anticipate one more preliminary draft before the final draft? Larry, are you referring
to the Park Dedication Ordinance, that draft? Okay, for the footnote 818, which goes to...
That would be, I'm sorry, I just read that footnote. That would be to...
Parkland dedication, of course. That would be to the next draft. That what we would...
The final draft? The final draft, yes. Okay. Page 314. 6.4.7(a)(3). Since gas
well drilling and production within developed floodplains shall comply with
Section 5.7.3, gas well drilling and production. Under 5.7.15,
watershed permits for gas well departments. D.2B, page 299. It states, so I
was reflecting back on what this says and then what this other section says,
5.7.15 says, within all areas except unstudied floodplains, if the stream is
designed as a poor ESA, the designated width of the protective stream buffer
shall be decreased by either 50% or to the limits of the floodway, whichever
is greater. But in no instance shall the protective stream buffer width be
decreased below 25 feet measured each direction from the centerline of the
existing channel. And I noted that there is nothing noted here that the gas well
operator will have to have an ESA assessment done to determine the poor
status of the stream, of the repairing buffer, before they can proceed. Am I
wrong in that? Is there...? They would have to have... Well, when gas well drilling is
proposed within any ESAs, they need to get what is called a watershed protection
permit, WPP. Okay. And as a part of that process, we do the field assessment. Okay.
So, and all the conditions reflected on the WPP are based on the outcome of the
field assessment. What we are trying to do for simplicity is combine the two
processes in one application under the WPP instead of requiring site operators
to apply for two separate applications. But the ESA field assessment is done.
Okay. I just felt like there needed to be a wording added to the 5.7.15 D2B. That
would show that. In other words, there's something in there when they read that
since you're not left like I was wondering is there going to be an ESA
field assessment done. So that's just a recommendation.
We can, and I will let our plan to take the lead on that. Am I asking too much?
Well, just anything within the gas well ordinance, we're not approaching that. So,
understand that we're... Well, I mean, we're not asking to do something. We're managing the
process. We'll ensure that the gas well operators are going to comply with our
rules. Okay. So it would be a problem to add wording to the effect that the field
assessment would be done. I guess is my question. Yeah. I think at this point in
time that we're not touching the gas well ordinance. That was the
charge of our consultant and legal staff and we're gonna stay on that position
currently unless council directs us to do otherwise. Okay. I'll get with you later
because I don't understand why that there's that barrier there but let's not
drag it out here. Okay. Thank you. All right. Page 317. Under the
pairing buffer and water related habitat, 6.4.8A9. Permitted uses and
activities at states. Measures to remove or abate nuisances or other violation of
state statute administrative rule on municipal code of ordinances. And I was
wondering if we could cite some examples and say such as but not limited to and
insert some examples. Typically you don't want to do that in the code of ordinances. The purpose of this is to be brought and to allow for the
possibility that there could be something that maybe wasn't anticipated
at the time this was written but the point is that if there is a state
statute or a administrative rule or maybe even a subsequent ordinance change
that it would it would be taken into account here if it if it intervenes and
and gives meaning here that's what is going to be applied. So the the reason
why you don't really want to do that is because over time ordinance provisions
change as do statutes and sometimes if you put something in there and it does
change and somebody isn't sharp enough to catch it and flag it as something that
needs to be changed it can give somebody an entirely wrong meaning and here it's
just really not necessary to give an example in order to leave open the
possibility that there could be such a law. Okay.
Okay on the same page 317 I guess under permitted uses a 1. Residential
development shall be designed to retain a contiguous 50% tree canopy which shall
remain predominantly in its natural state and my question is will this
remaining contiguous 50% tree tree canopy then be subject to the 70% tree
removal we discussed in the conservation landscape code I think in
our last PNC. Larry did you say 317 and just to clarify. Yeah it was 317A1. A1 okay that's
regarding the public habitats. Right correct and that language actually has
changed slightly so if as part of the ordinance that was approved by council
last night so so the version of the ESA and tree and landscape that's in this
version I think was part of that February February draft that was
circulated and so the language the language has changed in here slightly
where it references instead of saying shall remain predominantly in its natural
state it now reads residential development shall be designed to retain
a contiguous 50% of the area defined as upland habitat which shall remain in its
natural state and so if it's not then it falls into that it falls out of it falls
into I'm sorry the development impact area and it would be subject to
preservation and and mitigation. Okay which means I could remove up to 70% of
that, is that right? They could in theory yes. Okay. On that very same question.
Commissioner Sanchez. Okay on the next question says preservation of upland
habitat contiguous to forcing instead of preservation the word management it
shouldn't we have because we and I've brought that up before if we just
preserve it we're gonna lose it but there has to be some type of management
on that so I was wondering if that preservation could be my idea is just
the word preservation means okay we're gonna stick it here and it's not going
to be touched management means we're gonna take care of it and we're gonna
continue for keep managing for till things change so and also at the bottom
where you have select pruning conducted by or under the supervision what could
we add something like four is allow mowing in those areas because you also
want to when we talk about upload when we're talking about cross inverse
habitat we're not just talking about trees we're talking about the understory
also so it's just not pruning trees but we also should be working looking at the
habitat and trying to bring bring back some of those that understory which
would be maybe some of your Indian grass little bluestem big bluestem some of
those that some of those species that are relevant in the upland habitat but
where it seems like we're just concentrating on the on the on the
upper store not the understory and and and I might ask that so when we receive
the the updated version of this when we ultimately PNZ passed the landscape and
conservation ordinance councils passed that that language is some of this may
or may not change I don't know that okay the second piece to that is is that
ultimately we're hopeful to get this draft code or the code through PNZ and
council both this code as well as the landscape and conservation code will
really be under this kind of six-month window that we have an opportunity to
kind of test and feel and if we have any comments to come back to that but
because that section or this section has just recently been passed I'm just
recommending that we we don't make any changes okay
let me just add on to the the first question that you added is that you're
talking about changing preservation to management I think it's fair to talk
about preservation in this context because they're talking about
encouragement and so even if you even if you have management within that context
it's still fair to talk about you know encouraging preservation where
appropriate and so I think with the wording the sentence is not it really at
odds with the point that you're making it supplements the point okay well I
guess I'm assuming it's the preservation is going to happen so now once the
preservation is happening okay now let's do take it one step further and let's
manage it yes please
I would like to bring to your attention item number four the item right behind
that talks about enhancement of restoration projects as approved by the
director of environmental services is a permitted activity so in those cases
where the property owner is interested in actually improving the habit that and
doing some sort of restoration work either by mowing the grasses or by
clipping the treatment at the canopy to allow the penetration of light into the
forested area all those are permitted activities right now so nothing prevents
somebody for managing for the improvement of the habitat because that
is deemed as a permitted activity so would they just have to get a permit
from in order to do it probably we don't have a permit process per se they just
have to contact us and we will you know lead them through the process they would
probably have to submit a some sort of description of the type of work that
will be done for what purposes and so on and if that is conducive to the
restoration enhancement the health of the habitat we will approve it and they'd
have to demonstrate if I may to that demonstrate that they are a certified
member of the International Society of correct if they're going to trim the
canopy yes okay just for trimming yes okay Mr. back back to you thank you
page 320 footnote 827 related to on-site detention facility states city staff is
considering if detention facility should be publicly dedicated or whether all
should be privately maintained future revisions this section may be included
pending these discussions would cause and my question is would cause to be
prohibited if this city assume its responsibility on all just two facets to
that and that's where it is that it speaks city staffs considering if
detention facility should be publicly dedicated so there may be private and
there may be public and we're working through that right now as to that
determination okay thanks continuing page 324 floodways j4 says developments
discharging stormwater runoff into a floodway shall provide supplemental
vegetation on-site and off-site areas and public easements when necessary to
preserve or restore any disruption to the natural site and the footnote for
this 850 down at the bottom ask how does this relate to other parts of the code
where vegetation is prohibited in drainage areas should we not remove
blanket should we not remove blanket prohibitions on vegetation in these
areas and I'm thinking perhaps if if it's not land disruptive to the natural
flow is that and and again I think that engineering is working through those
components there's some conversations that are taking place on types of
drainage okay so and I think between engineering and environmental services
that that conversation we'll get some feedback on that later right okay thank
you anybody else want to jump in any time they want to just go right again
yours yours okay page 332 6.6 dot 7g easement requirements
6.6 dot 7 g easement requirements says if utility inspection or repair or
reconstruction is necessary any pavement structure or improvement damage within a
dedicated utility utility easement shall not be the responsibility of the city
for any repairs but shall be the sole responsibility of the owner and I know
with it and I guess I'm asking with the exception of what's listed in below j
1 2 & 3
but it says the following under typically allowed to be installed within
public utility water sewer easements and I'm sorry Commissioner back what is your
question on that okay well it's stating that if utility inspection repair
reconstruction is necessary any payment structure improvement damage within
dedicated utility it shall not be the responsibility of the city for any
repairs but shall be the sole responsibility of the owner but then
down here on j 1 2 & 3 it talks about drive approaches and parking lots if
they come in and damage somebody's driveway it's up to the owner to repair
the driveway no I think it's saying two different things one is is that it's
allowed to be installed within that gives the authority to install something
within this other is stating if in fact there is it's not the responsibility of
the city for the repairs but the person owns the property even though the city
not it's not suggesting that if this city necessarily okay it that reads like
it does so to me I guess
good afternoon Frank Pugsley water utilities director and to answer your
question directly yes if there's a driveway or landscaping grass in one of
our easements and we damage it by utility installation or repair then we
do repair those items okay as a routine practice and I guess what I was yeah I
think the answer to question yes this is going to be like in a residential
neighborhood correct okay okay right the next ones for me to so I'm gonna hang
out okay on page no that may be all for you 339 330 okay you got it okay under
private water systems by by allowing this to occur under the specified
conditions how does this address the issue of wastewater will they be tied
into wastewater treatment systems addressed on page 342 item number six so
what this is intended to cover for private water systems and private
wastewater treatment systems are generally for developments that may be
far out in the ETJ where we don't have utility service and it's cost-prohibitive
for those developments to make those improvements but there are cases where
we may have water utilities in the vicinity but not wastewater or vice
versa so there may be a system on a private water well system it's also on
public Denton sewer and there may be a situation where they're on city of
Denton wastewater service and have well the other way around they may be on
private wastewater treatment and have city of Denton water supplied so it
could be an either or or both okay does that does that answer that did I answer
that appropriately or enough for that okay I want to make sure I covered it
thank you I appreciate you having in front of you and ready to answer me on
page 346 6.6 point 17 a dot three under plans and specifications 6.6 6.6 point
17 6.6 17 begins on 343 all right under plans and specifications that is not
even there 16.6 point 17 is plans and specifications okay so a three
landscaping screen buffering and tree standards for electric station
substations and switch stations shall be pursuant section 6.6 okay and I think
there was just an error there should that be shall be pursuant to 16 point 13
points it because there is no six point 12 six and I would just and I think some
of this is subject to change again when we get into those nope it's a great
yep appreciate that on page 349 B it mentions
grass swells this may get answered in the downloaded by the grasses in her
landscape plant list in the site design for type criteria manual mainly lower
maintenance grasses in other words if they're requiring grass swells are we
requiring grasses that are low water maintenance
Debra do you have an answer to that by chance I know it references I swim and I
don't know if I swim has a specific type I swim doesn't have a specific list of
plans but I would like to bring to your attention that the city of them have a
native plant list that include grasses and those are the ones that we recommend
to be to be used as long as they can tolerate some inundation because as
again they will be in that in contact with water for some period of time so
when somebody provide a landscape plan one of the things that we look into it
is are they suitable for the functions that they're being proposed they do have
to water it for a period of time and then like after two or three years it's
supposed to take on its own well you're talking about the establishment part and
it goes back especially if there are trees or something like that where
they're offering as a landscape they those are subject to replacement if
those vegetative materials they don't do well so when we look into any stone
water controls we look into how suitable that plan is to withstand the amount of
water that they would be dealing with and anything that is outside the stone
water controls we have the native plan list for the city of Denton native to
the Denton County specific to that in County so they can always use that type
of that list for as a resource okay thanks
okay page 352 under permits enforcement routes item I three and if I make
Commissioner Beck this is in that landscape screening buffering fences
we're probably going to be in that same place just as an FYI because I think
this is in that same piece is it not okay what she was talking about if they
die within a certain period of time no the what Scott was saying is that the
ordinance that was passed yesterday okay unless you have a question we can answer
we can answer that but if we're thinking of changing anything it would have to
you be later okay all right and item J under the same page at the bottom there
it states in instances where easements encourage and again this is just a
correction in instances where easements encumbrances physical traits or life
safety requirements limit the ability to plant the required trees needed to meet
the minimum tree canopy coverage and applicants may pay into the tree fund
as an alternative and I was wondering if we couldn't reword that shall pay into
the tree no all right we'll be back right back in the same place okay we've
just passed that and I will also say probably the next couple of items page
358 355 358 and I think maybe we can jump to 360 because all of those are
parking landscape and trees so okay I'll just also point out that the word shall
is inconsistent with the concept of it being an alternative you know shall is
generally regarded as mandatory as you have no other option whereas alternative
is indicated that there is another option was there a heading quote-unquote
alternative there that we were dealing with in the in the in the current the
version that was adopted last night that section was actually moved and so there
is a section titled alternative relief for landscape tree canopy and buffer
requirements and there's two choices you can either go through an alternative
landscape plan or you can do this the payment in lieu okay under these
circumstances okay and then page 360 I misspoke because the signage for the
tree removal is not going to be there so that's it that's a no I was talking
with Richard about this earlier okay a little concerned about that I was
wondering if part of that couldn't be reconsidered is that locked in now it's
we've just passed an ordinance through City Council and and that piece has been
in our code for years we've never we've never enforced it but but again we just
passed that ordinance so we're not gonna recommend any changes to the landscape
section until we get the entirety of the code out there and and I think that it
was quite interactive with council last night to the point of making any changes
that that we're gonna pretty much stick to that because I think that's where
council is we certainly will take this in will capture the comment and as we go
through the process of evaluating this we can take it into consideration okay my
concern was here there's going to be a lot of areas probably where okay the
signage it's not there it's not gonna be that big a deal we're definitely gonna
run into areas where there are protected trees it should be protected if they're
going to be taken down and mitigating there's going to be neighborhoods where
they'll be up in arms if they weren't notified and didn't have a chance to
protest and I understand the developers don't want to do no it really came from
actually our one of our council members to the point that putting a sign up
gives the neighbors a false sense that they have a say and whether those trees
could be removed or not so the sign is just misleading it's telling someone
that that someone is going to try to go through what our legal process is to do
that and the neighbors don't really necessarily have a say as to whether the
trees stay or removed so that was the catalyst for it and I'm happy to speak
to you offline on it okay all right page 361 and 362 there's two items here item
D and item E P Larry those those are also in the landscape looking at the
list that you provided staff the next one that's not in under landscaping
would be page 373 where you're talking about access and circulation okay page
373 6.8.3 a six access and circulation
traffic calming measures where future cut-through traffic is likely is this a
recommendation or is it going to be required the plan is required and this
is one of the elements that would be included within the plan okay so calming
devices street calming devices would be where future cut-through traffic is
likely so it's again is a required part of the plan if in fact it would be
applicable okay okay page three seven five six point eight point three point a
six yep sorry page three seventy five six point eight point six C to a as
part of the city's effort to encourage safety can we require street signs and
it's just a suggestion when we're building a new development to educate the
public because I mean there's there's a lot of people out there that you know how
come there's so many bikes on the streets they shouldn't be allowed to we
know that it should be I was just something you to consider okay let me
throw it out there and then we'll move on if we could put share the road signs
you know the share road signs with the bike on it in a new development it's on
a arterial collector's street Larry or Commissioner Beck the only way that can
happen would be as part of a bike plan where it's identified under bike
planning and if it is implemented and constructed to fit a bike or didn't be
identified then a sign will be and painted markings will be included but it
can't be where it is requested it has to be okay consistent with the bike plan
it was I was just throwing that out there anyways thanks all right this one was a little confusing for me on page 376 377 6.8.7
6.8.7 a for if the street is open when proposed to serve as a divided arterial
street and the development is required to install half of the arterial street
then the curb and gutter shall be provided on both sides of the street so
as to provide the curve for the future meeting of the arterial street okay that
sounds to me like we're gonna build half the street with the curb and gutter on
one side and then there's gonna be what dirt there but there's gonna be a curb
and gutter am I reading am I misreading that no it would it would be a complete
half of the street so where it is that it's a divided and divided arterial
right so they would build half of the street so if it was going to be a four
lane two lanes each side of a divided they would be building potentially the
two lanes on one half of that street and just so happens the pre tam is here and
he would be happy to address let's not pull him into something he's gonna be
hit with that's all right I was asking yeah there's pastry said 76 77 6.8 point
seven point a for the way it's worded there says is the street is ultimately
proposed to serve as a divided arterial street and the development is required
to install half of the arterial street and the curb and gutter shall provide it
on both sides of the street so as to provide the curve for the future meaning
of the arterial street and it the way what went through my mind is we're gonna
build one half of the curb and gutter on one side but we're not gonna build the
other half street but we're gonna put the curb and gutter over there is that
no so so the way it read this pre temptation of traffic in here for the
city the way it is set up at the other side of the curb and gutter that's away
from the development is the curb for the median so that would be the median in in
the middle okay and the rest of it will be on the other do we need change the
wording so stupid people like me can pick no I'm gonna pause real fast
Christian Sanchez had a question and let him jump in under a street connect
connectivity 374 that's one of being one of my concerns is on see number two it
says street systems for each development shall connect with existing and
proposed and just and anticipated streets and that's one one of the things
we did back in a couple with meetings ago though I remember there was an area
back on Ryan and there was an anticipated street that had already been
identified that this was going to go through and and we dropped that and my
question is are we how important is that quest to me it's very important that we
continue to look at connectivity between the neighborhoods because we build we
build little enclaves you know the developer comes in puts a little
enclave and then nobody wants the neighbors but we don't want these people
to come through our neighborhood you know and we hear that time and time again
and I'd like to just make a comment on that is that we need to start looking
that people need to go through other neighborhoods instead of just when
people come up to us and say hey we don't want them to come this we don't
want that neighborhood people could start coming through us it's going to
increase the neighborhood traffic and I guess I just want to make a comment on
that because that was one thing that we had a couple of weeks a couple of
meetings back is it was planned and just because the people didn't want it all of
a sudden we decided okay we're not going to do this we'll just they'll have to go
get back on Ryan and come back to the next neighborhood rather than coming
through there so I guess Mike it's just a comment is if this is what we're saying
we need to look at this more serious and not just go by what people want don't
come into our neighborhood and look at that we need to connect the city all the
streets so that people look at the city as not this is my little enclave but
rather this is our city and I think I see that a lot in a lot of meetings that
we have don't come into my neighborhood but it's not your neighborhood it's our
city rather than correct so there are a couple things here one of the important
ones is definitely we will look at collector connections through the
neighborhoods and subdivisions so we want the collectors to collect all the
traffic from different subdivisions and they will across subdivisions to connect
to the arterial so yes we're looking at collectors but as well as we're looking
at residential streets that make sense where to connect and there are several
new developments that we're looking at is we're asking asking the developer to
have those step outs and connections that way it becomes a cohesive network and it
makes sure that our circulation system is planned to channel that traffic to
the appropriate street system so right we're looking at them on a case-by-case
basis but definitely want the connections to be made and one more you
know it's under well I didn't find it I was wondering we didn't address on this
anything about roundabouts are we gonna even address anything like that I think
it's very important I mean this is my opinion it's something that you know we
keep talking about traffic how you know we keep getting all these you know
traffic keeps getting worse but then we had somebody here last week talk about
how roundabouts actually help traffic move traffic yet we don't talk about it
we want to keep doing red lights green lights you know so I'm getting some
different so as far as roundabouts we are moving into a realm of there will be
an intersection analysis to determine it what type of control is necessary it
could start from stop signs to go into signals so every arterial every collector
intersection will be reviewed to see if it's appropriate for a roundabout and
that becomes part of our toolbox or when we're talking to developers as well as
when we're looking at our own capital projects so should that be addressed
here we can definitely add something to that effect pretty time can you just
clarify is roundabouts covered in the transportation criteria manual it is
part it is covered as mentioned is described how in the transportation
criteria manual okay I guess I didn't see well the way we really set this up is
to is to make the mandatory standards that are never going to change in here
and address the design standards in the criteria okay okay so you know staff
never knows when you know like for example you were talking about the
situation with connectivity or what have you obviously the City Council believed
that it was important to not provide connectivity there but you watch your
code to be written in such a way that it would it would allow for either option
address that as a matter of design to bring forward and still provide the
option for it to go either way I think Jerry makes a good point just as a
reminder that that the code the code is one part of what we use so as our
standards we have water wastewater criteria manuals you know the
transportation any number of other complementary guides that go along with
this and and I do want to point out as some of our standards and requirements
keep on changing the criteria manuals are updated on an annual basis so and
that's much more relative to what's happening around us as we move forward
with some of the education pieces and people become more aware subdivisions or
developers come in with more plans for roundabouts then we will continue to
update that component but this is pretty much as Jerry pointed out this is
overall big picture applies to everyone and then the criteria specific that we
can look into per as developments come in you get a commissioner
Mr. back here pretend stay with us on this next one here on page 382 h 6.8
point 9 h 1 says driveway access to single and it's talking about collector
streets access to collector streets driveway access to single-family detached
or duplex duplex building units is not permitted is that right for yes for
collector streets collectors are typically where all the residential
streets coming in feed so it's more of a step up from residential use where you
do not want the primary function of that is to just channelize traffic out of the
neighborhood it's not for people to get out of their houses the residential
streets are defined or classified for people to get out of their driveways but
collectors are where some of these residential streets meet and that's a
bigger road to connect to an arterial so that's the way that functional
classification is set do we have situations where homes are on collector
streets now and yes well how about like Teasley where it goes alongside South
Lakes Park you don't have any of those homes that are alongside Teasley exiting
their driveways directly on to Teasley you have them going on to some
neighborhood streets and then follow the neighborhood streets and then get on to
Teasley from that neighborhood street but on Hobson there's single-family homes
that right they are attached to a collector street okay Hobson's a
collector street right right okay how does that work retroactively I mean that
is what it is yes when we go back and when Hobson will be looked at for
widening improvement CIB project we will find ways to address that situation
okay thanks let me read this one just to make sure okay this is one that seems
redundant to me on page 391 just for clarity sake 391 6.9 6.9.2 a - what
distinguishes little a III the square footage of non-residential building is
expanded or enlarged by more than 50% from BII the square footage of
non-residential building is expanded or large by between 10 to 15 percent what
you're almost saying the same thing but you're throwing in a little exception
there so what am I missing here sorry Commissioner back to a refers to the
entire site when it exceeds 50 percent by more than 50 percent where it's
between 10 and 15 it is just applied to the area that is being expanded okay so
again the requirement for parking applies to new primary structure that is
constructed an existing primary structure that is relocated on a lot so
that's when parking would be requirement be required however expansion and
enlargement is what we're referring to right in any or all expansion or
enlargement shall be considered if they fall under the following categories if
there is a need for expansion of a property the entire site shall comply
with this section the parking requirements when now I'm gonna go to a
three the square footage of the non-residential building is expanded by
more than 50% so if you expand your building by more than 50% you're gonna
have to comply with the parking requirements for the entire site okay
if it's between 10 and 50 10 and 50% it would only just apply to that the
portion of the site being expanded and or improved shall comply with the parking
requirements okay and it's cumulative over two year period to avoid
incremental changes so if you do 25 percent one year and you think okay I'm
gonna get it another 25 percent or 30 the next year it would then bring it up
so we're still good okay still require it all right
hang on a second okay page three I did something wrong
393 yeah but I meant six and 83 c5 I think yeah so it's actually at the top
of 393 right on the top of page 393 calculations and I'm not sure I
understand why structured parking underground parking and parking within
above or beneath the building it serves are not counted towards the maximum
parking requirement the the underground and the parking above a building means
that they're not really taking up any land area because the building already
is there so that would make sense that it wouldn't count towards the parking
maximum again we have anything outside the footprint of the building that's
what you're talking right and then the question I'm pausing is the structured
parking that is obviously if that's not part of a building right that takes up
area and why won't we count then and that's a good okay okay so if the
structure parking is below or above and that thing that's what just Scott just
clarified okay again if it doesn't if it if it's within the building footprint we
will not count it because it's already taken up by that okay and just as we
talked about that we have a minimum and we have a maximum and one of that
significant changes is that we're in we're allowing a hundred and twenty five
percent I guess another twenty five percent to be the maximum so you can you
can provide the minimum if you want to exceed that by twenty five percent you
can right so it's it's different from what we currently have where it's the
men in the max is the required parking oh we still have and then you could have
another 500 underground okay page 394 table 698 required all-street parking as
it refers to four spaces for duplexes is this four spaces for each duplex
dwelling unit or two for each to give the entire duplex dwelling unit four
spaces
there's a dwelling unit is the duplex duplex is to you is that two dwelling
units mm-hmm okay so one dwelling unit half of that duplex in other words can
have four spaces
we were just going through because I'm looking at the public draft on the
initial adoption draft some some things have already been updated we don't have
the initial adoption draft out there and that is that is this draft that was
corrected that's what you have the public draft is out there just yeah it's
this version with some corrections with some I'm sorry what was it so yeah the
table it says duplexes that can have four spaces per dwelling unit not
including ten apart so are we talking about a total a total okay so each half
of the duplex and can have up to four just like a house correct there was the
there's a provision and I think it carried forward where if it's in a in an
infill area and and primary that the area with the surrounding area primarily
has two then you're able to you're able to reduce that okay and we're talking
about all street parking here correct okay okay
okay so on the same table on page 395 does the minimum number of parking
spaces for elderly housing take into consideration staff parking could not
you know I don't see a lot of elderly housing units where each resident is
gonna have a car so it's are they taking staff parking into consideration when
they create that figure
especially retirement well I'm honestly rest homes yes nursing and convalescent
homes I wouldn't think each resident would have a car so and regardless of
that I guess what I'm asking is was staff obviously you're gonna have
probably more staff vehicles then you're gonna have resident vehicles so when
okay on the elderly housing especially when we're talking about rest homes and
nursing convalescent home we're probably talking about the people are gonna have
cars they're not necessarily gonna be the residents I'm thinking so when this
figure what is it three per patient beds did we count in staff parking I believe
it is in that it's included in that number I don't yeah
commissioner back by if I can try to answer that question sure it's really
it's a carryover from our current code as you can see where the second column
or the third column it carries over it's one space per three bedrooms the
question is does account account for employee my understanding that it does
because of the amount and what use it is that's all thank you of course thanks
for those questions commissioner is there other questions from the
Commission and then Ron if you have some over you said you had some like
highlight yes yes if there's no other questions we can kind of go over some of
the significant changes it's not going to be a third page turn that is it's
just gonna be a really high level again I just want to express that we have some
staff members here that represent saw ways D me fire probably missing a few
people here so again here's an opportunity if you have any questions for
them I encourage that however there is none I can certainly could proceed with
those significant changes and that's the other questions so again what we're
talking about today is subchapters six seven and eight some of the significant
changes is again we consolidated all of the sub chapters as you all know we've
got 24 sub chapters currently and we've so we've narrowed down to eight and so
sub chapter six contains the majority of them and this is why it's such an
important sub chapter to me one of the other things that we looked at is try to
be more flexible through provisions of options and menu based standards and you
saw that as part of the landscape ordinance there are points in buffer sorry
landscaping and buffer points associated with that another important change or
update we want to make sure that we address compatibility we've we've
increased that as far as standards a lot of procedures that you normally saw or
see in the sub chapters existing have been relocated to chapter 2 but also
included in the transportation criteria manual that Debra mentioned pretem as
referenced we are also working on a site plan criteria manual as well so we want
to make sure that what's in the code is requirements while the criteria manuals
are more design standards per se which can be amended a lot easier than than if
we were to do a full-blown code amendment infill and redevelopment
standards those are something that we heard a lot from the community we hear a
lot from development but also from the general public as well so we've added
more we've actually removed the infill special purpose district it no longer
exists so we have embedded a lot of those standards in the stamp the site
design standards so that again anyone that wants to develop within an infill
redevelop property they are more able to let me see here updated expansion
applicability table I know that when Clarion was here they talked about that
a little bit so that's not going to go away we have a different version of that
and that is actually included in the draft so that is going to be continued
conservation and landscape ordinance that we already talked about that that
was adopted last night there was an effective I'm sorry an adoption date of
last night and an effective date of October 1st so I don't know if you have
any questions either Richard or Haley can can clarify or maybe Scott what does
that mean there's an applicant get to use the current code and then choose to
apply use the other code that's that's something that I believe that was the
intent is to have that flexibility so is that clear as far as how that is going
to proceed we're looking at that we talked about buffer standards we have
again as part of the landscape and conservation code a development impact
area I know Richard had talked about that in his presentation so if you all
have any questions please ask but I think that was covered well where we're
also looking at how we address walls and fences I know with the DC RC we talked
with that in length I think it was two and a half days is what was referred to
as the discussion on fences so we've spent a lot of time on that we
incorporated the parking requirements that was approved back in May of last
year and again what I mentioned earlier regarding the maximum it's no longer
your min and your max is the same rather if you meet the minimum you're good if
you choose to extend that and want more parking we're allowing that 25% above
and I think that would help in when we when we see again for example ADP's
right we won't get those because there's the flexibility built in here to allow
that it's not saying that they will go there but at least they have the option
and that's the theme that works we're trying to provide here is options and
flexibility but still meeting the standards that we really want to have
let's see here as far as the subdivision standards I'm gonna go on to sub chapter
7 if nobody else has any questions on sub chapter 6 again sub chapter 6 has
lighting and has solid waste so just want to make sure that you know this is
the opportunity if you have any questions on those standards we're able
to answer those today if not we'll move on to subdivision okay there's no
questions on 6 we're gonna move on to 7 let's go for it okay so sub chapter 7 is
your subdivision regulation standards your platting what's when a plat is
required what the design requirements and subdivision improvements are
required as part of that platting so a lot of again what we're trying to do is
trying to streamline or clean up and clear up some of the requirements we
relocate a lot of the administrative administration and procedure section to
chapter 2 sub chapter 2 a lot of the information again that's in there today
is either going into a criteria manual or referenced as part of the code of
ordinances the use or the applicability within the ETJ that has been enhanced a
couple of new options for developers or maybe more refined options that is is
gated community cluster development and autocorps so I think everybody knows
what gated communities are we've got a couple examples that we have in the city
cluster development does anybody have any question that cluster development the
concept essentially you have a minimum lot size for each lot in a in a zoning
district if you want to cluster the development to preserve some open space
you're able to and actually reduce your lot minimum to accomplish that so for
example nr3 the minimum let's use nr2 for example nr2 has a minimum lot area
of 16,000 if you want to consolidate or cluster that development and have
smaller watch you can and the option there is to go as low as I believe is
2,500 which is is a fairly low I mean square footage however by doing that
you're saying you're gonna preserve or conserve the other area within that
development for open space so that's a positive portion of cluster development
and I believe there is an exhibit that was shown by Clarion and certainly is
further explained in the code so I just want to make sure that we understand
what cluster development and that's one of I think the goals of the den plan
2030 is to offer that so that we can reserve and preserve conserve some of
the more rural areas that are within the periphery of the city Ron I have a
question about that I was speaking to a local developer and he had seen the
exhibit by Clarion with the reconstruction of the lots and I have
to apologize for my ignorance but he expressed some concern that the design
criteria wouldn't fully allow for the full thought process of the cluster
development to actually come to fruition so how does the city look at or can you
tell me about the alignment with the design criteria manual supporting the
actual development of cluster development because to his concern and I
would echo it is we have the idea of cluster development but the design
standards prevent it from actually looking and coming to life as we had
hopes and I just have to clarify are we talking about block length or I mean
because to talk about road curvature and the designs of roads through a
development like that it and maybe that illustration probably was just that an
illustration however they still have to meet the subdivision requirements the
block length the curvature all of the access requirements so a development
under for example the r3 maybe let's let's go a little further r6 is believe
it's 6,000 square feet so I know it's it's it's doable because we have it they
just have to meet the requirements and I apologize I don't know what said person
to reference but you can you can do that as part of a cluster development it
should not prevent you from doing it great yes thank you okay okay I think if
we're done with sub chapter 7 we can move on to sub chapter 8 unless you have
any questions all right last sub chapter and this is it this is all this is this
is the chance that you're gonna get definitions which is I believe another
important sub chapter because it holds a lot of what we often look for right
because well what is what is autocor what is cluster development a lot of
that is in this sub chapter we want to make sure that this sub chapter is
reviewed and it's is is there for us to use for example all the list of uses
that's in sub chapter 5 are all in the definition they have their definition in
here in the current code there was definitions in several sub chapters and
you didn't know which one to look at or how where would be the hope is that all
of it is in one step chapter which it is and so you can just go straight to
sub chapter 8 to identify or to find that definition and that's that's what
we've done here so they're listed alphabetically ordered and it's a it's a
long list but it's an exhaustive list that we hope would help in the
development review process so you've all looked at the definitions right we're
all just joking to be honest we look at it too and we find that we're either
missing one or sometimes it's something that we didn't think about so we are
continually looking at those definitions to make sure that we have all of them so
that when we look for it we have it available mr. Beck thanks chair I thought
did a good job every time I came across the term that I didn't understand I
pretty much found it in definition so I thought you did a good job I think I
sent you a note though where you had and I can't I'll get back to you on it but
it was a definition that was an indefinition so I'll find it okay well
no any thank you for that and again any input that you all can provide feedback
we appreciate it because again we want to make sure when we get this to the
finish line we want it to be as close to final draft as possible that's Ron I do
have one question that it's not really relevant to so chapter 8 but is that
the final draft that's electronically available actually leveraged PDFs ability
to hyperlink so we can click words back to the definition is that is that part
of the process that Clarion's adding the navigability I think the I think that's
a possibility I think what we were asked to do was the table of contents I know
one point to we talked about just hovering over a word where it where you
wouldn't have to necessarily click click over but it would just pop I think that's
part of the user-friendly you know theme I think we can do that I know initially
they had set it up for just the the table content so you can click on it you
can just go straight to it but as far as individual words that may be a little bit
too much but we can certainly identify some that we know we should be linking
to the definition section sure yeah well you think of the use table if you just
had the very beginning you know connection back to the use I think that's
a great idea I think even with the definition but also like say for example
the use specific standards you can click on it you don't have to or however you
get to it great any questions for sub chapter eight okay last to the last
slide one and then my questions last slide as far as the development code
update on March 29th we're going to publish a final adoption draft and that
is going to include the comments we received today there is the initial
adoption draft that's online now we are continually updating the draft that's
going to be updated again on March 29th it's not this Friday but the Friday
next it's going to be there for the general public in preparation of our
April 10th our meeting are playing zoning Commission public hearing we're
set to have a public hearing on this item on April 10th we've already set
that in stage by publishing and sending out mailings to property owners so we're
set on April 10th for planning zoning Commission and April 23rd for City
Council pressure back are you done now I'm done okay I just wanted to throw I
didn't want to interrupt you you wanted to continue I think we're all aware and
if I this isn't the appropriate time or forum to ask this and somebody let me
know this will probably go to you Jerry we're aware of an individual that's
concerned about how their area was on and want to know if there was an appeal
process so is that something we can discuss here is there should we put this
off well that's what the public hearing process is for is for people to you know
voice their concerns and if they if they have anything that they want to bring up
the staff they certainly can it beforehand well I guess question is it's
being asked is there an appeal process for somebody who doesn't like what they
were zone if they get zoned the they will just have to ask to rezone it so
it's it I mean it's important to attend to this issue and make sure that your
property gets correctly zoned and and to let staff know if there's a problem and
attend to public hearings and make sure your voice is known okay it just seems
like it would be better to get it straightened out now before we finalize
absolutely yeah that's why I'm saying you know contact staff let the staff know
if if if if anybody sees a problem let the staff know any individual member of
the public well I mean I'll leave it to Ron and Scott as far as the operational
process is concerned but you know the the concept is is well I'll put it this
way from from from the legal department's perspective we don't really
care what process they use you know the the idea is that I'm sure that they will
have a process for which they will accept input from the public and
suggestions that they may be zoned in appropriately okay so if I can just chime
in a little bit obviously this is a City Council approval of a development code
or update or code amendment however you want to reference it any zoning map
update in any decision by City Council my understanding is is final so as Jerry
mentioned any appeal needs to be done before we lock that should be done
before or rezone the property go through the rezoning and like you said we don't
want to do that so as Jerry mentioned we want to encourage people to come to the
public hearing and I believe the gentleman that or the person you're
referring to has done that has come to us and I've advised and encouraged said
person to attend the public hearing to voice his opinion and if I if I might
add that actually and I've heard Ron say to come before PNZ and council to
express their their their opinion and their views
Chris Ross thank you chair yeah just to offer my opinion on this and the email
you're speaking of Commissioner Burke I mean appeal keeps being used except
nothing's been adopted so you can't really appeal something that's not
really done so all we have right now is public hearings and that's I mean that
is the right forum for him to express his concerns certainly staff is open to
meeting anytime and then all of the public hearings but I mean you can't
appeal something that's not adopted I think that's a term that's being used
that's making things confusing okay with as long as that direction gets back to
that individual that if you want to forward that email along I'll make
certain that it does okay okay thanks thank you all right that's all I have
thank you so much for your patience and your review of the code I appreciate all
the hard work that you've done and the next time you'll see the draft will be
published again on March 29th and as we prepare for the public hearing we will
make sure that we give you ample time to have the documents in advance as again
we get ready for the next phase of this project
Kishore Ellis thank you chair Ron is there still an opportunity to email
anything yes ma'am from until what's the date April 23rd okay until till city
can't nope sorry for I'm sorry I thought you were referring to comments from the
public for for you all comments from us from you all would be you know before
April 10th you know so we can get your response and as a citizen you have up
until City Council as well got it thank you good clarification thank you Ron so
much for your presentation your hard work on this thank you next item for
business tonight is the clarification of the agenda items the first thing we have
is minutes is there any questions we were given an update to minutes for the
February 20th make sure everyone has a copy of that thank you any questions on
the 20th or 27th meeting minutes great there is some clarification I just want
to invite Haley is Haley yeah we got an updated plaque can you provide us
context
document is for FP 18 18 their residence is at razor ranch the only change from
the copy you originally received in your backup you may have noticed there were
some kind of irregular lots HOA lots proposed in the right-of-way originally
on Beaumont after meeting with the city engineer the the developer determined
that they can just make those medians within the right-of-way and through a
maintenance agreement can still landscape those the way they want to so
those HOA lots have been removed from where they were shown here as well as
from the title block and that's that's the only change at this time great any
questions on this plot thanks Haley and Julie can you talk about the changes to
your plot this is item 3b so this is a revision a small revision to ropes and
ranch unit 6-1 it actually includes a new note on it and that is note 11 and it
talks about the easternmost 20 feet of lot 2x shall be dedicated as an easement
to the city of Denton for public water sewer and storm drainage purposes that's
for potential future future water lines in that in that area so it's just that
that one note 11 any questions for Julie on this plot great thanks Julie oh
Michelle thank you chair well Julie and I had a little conversation about this
plot on and thank you for your response and yeah I would love yeah maybe some
better clarity going forward if there's any way to do it I had brought up that on
here like on all the ropes and properties the note about the lots are
asterisked that are within a thousand feet and it's on this plot except none of
them exist so it's a little bit misleading because what I said to her is
did they accidentally forget to asterisk any because the note clearly reads
they're marked with an asterisk so they were having conversations with them
maybe going forward and clarifying some things so staff did make a comment
regarding that to ropes and ranch because there are none of these lots are
within a thousand feet of a gas well and so during the review staff made the
comment that we made a suggestion hey did you want to change that plat note
just to add some clarity they are hesitant to change that plat note
because that plat note was really a culmination of working with our legal
department and their legal department but I talked with them today and and and
we talked about maybe going forward having two types of plat notes so
getting our legal departments to get their heads together to maybe have a
plat note for those areas that are outside of that thousand foot down buffer
from a gas well so so hopefully soon we'll have a new plat note that will
address that thank you great and did anyone have any questions for item 3c
Haley's final plot so any questions on that one perfect so that would lead us
into our two public hearing items the first one is 4a and Romans here to tell
us about an historic landmark yeah an overview would be great at least with
the historic Commission historic Landmark Commission had to say about it
as usual with the landmarks unanimous quite a few slides here but I'll just go
through them real quick you know I would have a few slides this is a historic
landmark designation for for a property at 900 Eagan Street and so I just have
we have a lot of background on it standard residential lot the owner lives
in it has done some work there and would like to landmark it it's it's northwest
of here on Eagan Street one of Denton's most well preserved he's a presentation
yeah there we go and you know so we have a little bit of background about that
we're gonna provide to you for example that this was a this is the streets were
originally deeded to the city in 1917 for a dollar so that created gave the
city the opportunity to panhandle pond or Eagan and Alice Street that the we
have actually have the mechanics lien on this property we talked about who the
contractor is who the owners were what they were contracted to build this
property has a lot of ownership unusual for a local landmark for building of
this condition usually you see fewer owners right now at about 80 to 90
years old but 12 owners and we still have a pretty good house this is the
house which its original brick work and that's changed a little the columns were
swapped out there was an addition in the back we talked about who lived there
I'll give you a course more detail on this when we read through it but Mrs.
Scott was quite phenomenal she was a poet and a songwriter and her music
played on local radio stations she was on the Texas Council for the promotion of
poetry and then who was born in the place so what was neat is this man Mr.
Kirschbaum and his wife they had a child there he himself was important in the
symphony and he was for a number of years in East Texas and Tyler conducted
the symphony there but his son which is really what we're talking about Ralph
was a real phenomena and is till today and so we're going to talk a little bit
about him being born in that house and so this house was a Scott nursing home
during the time that the Scotts had it and when we say nursing home it really
wasn't nursing isn't we think of a place for the elderly to be but nursing in
terms of birth and nursing and so it really were people it was a house to
have your kids and so we're going to recommend approval that's kind of the
background of it if any questions about it or anything you have it's a great
property and of course this this this goes along with the Denton 2030 plan
because in the 2030 plan we have that we want to encourage voluntary long mark
designation and so on a street like Egan which is really a street that could be
part of a historic district you know this is good to have a local landmark
within that on that street totally agree any questions for this property
Christian back not so much this property but that the area that this house is in
hasn't the Texas Historical Society I guess it is have they certified this
area I believe that Egan is part of the National Register District that historic
Denton and Randy hunt have been working on getting designated and yes that's
coming I think on a very soon they have a quarterly meetings of the State Board
of Review which makes recommendations to the Park Service the National Park
Service to create a national National Register District and yes this this
this is I believe within that district which was created a local we sure it's
a national designation that has no local impact and people aren't required to to
have a permit to see a value that doesn't happen this part this house will
with a local landmark designation but when you create a National Register
District that does not automatically mean that your local government has
anything to do with that I mean the people they don't have to report you can
modify or you can demolish a house that's in a National Register District
without reporting it to anyone unless your local law has something about that
and some do you know Brownsville Texas where I came from anything on the state
or the National Register the register Texas landmark or on the National
Register those properties were automatically protected by the local
ordinance the local ordinance said if you were to modify those properties then
you still you need the same certificate of appropriateness that comes from the
Landmark Commission some cities have it and some don't didn't hadn't had one yet
so that's kind of where we are with that who's your Sanchez so what all what all
the benefits that they get as far as with his designation well the the
financial benefit that they get is and they will come back and ask for this the
if they've spent ten thousand dollars on this property within two years of its
designation our current code allows them to apply to have half off of their City
of Denton property taxes for ten years and so if the work is qualified work in
that the Landmark Commission alone can can say it's qualified but generally
structural changes of course to the property then yes then they can receive
that and actually that is not just ten years at the end of ten years if you've
spent an additional ten thousand dollars in that period you can reapply and
there's no limit in our code for that so half off and it's not an enormous
amount of money but my feeling as a preservation officer and I think this is
the way most people feel about historic districts as they do help to define a
city and they take more to maintain usually so and or in the case of an
improvement like that where someone's gone in of course they've added square
footage to this house and a beautiful back porch with accents so that's where
the benefit comes from that's the only local financial incentive the only other
incentives that you know you've told a story about that residence that's
documented and you actually have the added for them giving that financial
benefit for for the city we we actually then have you know you have your
Landmark Commission or your preservation officer that sort of watches over that
property so that it doesn't have inappropriate alterations you know in the
case of this one if someone came forward later and came into the office and they
said they wanted to change these columns again for example you know they're
talking to me normally I'm going to recommend you go back and put that you
know row of stretcher bond brick columns back in and that and that pedestal the
other alteration you can see in this image is the front door there used to be
two front doors here which was common on those residents at that time there they
could rent out a room in the back or the front and you'd have your an out
exterior access so it's really about community it's really saying I'm proud
of this place I'm proud of this home I'm proud I'm taking care of it and the
people in the past and the only benefit right now would be the the tax interior
they can do any kind of remodeling say inside like yes it is exterior is that
what's your problem yes it doesn't trigger a certificate of appropriateness
requirement unless it's exterior okay changes and then under the code that
you're reviewing and putting through we're making it very clear that if if
the changes are not visible from the street as determined by the preservation
officer who it's ever acting as a preservation officer the director of
planning also I think it can tie it to them too if it's not visible from the
street by staff then it doesn't get also doesn't require a certificate of
appropriateness you see I'm say so if you're making an addition in the back
and it's not really visible then it wouldn't come before the Commission and
then all your regular maintenance can be approved by staff it's just if you're
you know if you're seeing a significant alteration typically you're gonna see
window replacement and windows are really sacred in historic preservation I
mean the economic studies that have been done on the economics of them and and
what have you indicate that it's always best to preserve them and that the the
energy savings really aren't aren't there financially how people think they
are that's okay but when you're looking at these buildings that's generally you
want to keep that front facade especially the front facade looking
original so yeah that's when you're gonna see so Lamar Commission is only
typically gonna see a pretty substantial alteration or demolition removal of the
property altogether how hard would it be to get it off that you can position in
the exact reverse according to ordinance you can petition in the exact reverse to
to remove a property and I need to look at that language a little closer but
it's been in there all along that you could remove the designation you can
also you know if say someone has a landmark let's you know pick a more
public buildings that might be landmark for example the old post office that's
being used as a warehouse right now is a local landmark right so if it changed
hands for example and someone wanted to demolish it that would probably get
denied at the Landmark Commission but then it could be appealed to City
Council and in that case it's possible City Council could allow for the
demolition or not so you don't have to remove it per se I'll give you another
example on the square on the southwest corner of the square where this
building that says Sherman at the top that Hendry's building is a local
landmark but it was I presume it must have been a local landmark have to look
back at the history in the building that was there that burned down so the site
is what we designate by the ordinance so the building that's there actually had
to go before Landmark Commission so you have a really good building there but
it's also good because he had a good architect Jim Jim Kirk Patrick I believe
was the architect and took it very he actually helped to draft the first
downtown design guidelines that we still have so he was very passionate about
making sure a very good building was put in that place
thank you chair members of the Commission this is a item project that
you all have seen it was brought forward to you all in November I believe of
last year where the applicant was requesting a rezoning in an SUP and the
purpose for the rezoning was to increase their density and of course what we what
they heard from the Commission and from the citizen at that public hearing was
that anything over 12 units per acre was low high so what they've done is they've
redesigned their site and have it underneath under 12 units per acre it's
actually at 12 units per acre sorry I kind of told Roman to do it I'm not
doing it so the site as you all are already familiar with is on Mockingbird
just west of Mockingbird Mockingbird south of Mingo as shown there they are
now proposing 118 where it was over 200 plus I think was 276 in their first
draft again the site hasn't changed it's just that the number of dwelling units
has dropped to 12 units per acre it is in the future land-use map as moderate
residential the description of moderate residential is between 4 and 12 it's
technically or designated for small housing detach it also includes a low
rise in multifamily dwellings in town homes it's main it's to maintain the
existing area act as a transition for other zoning districts and so you can
see that the the community mix use and then the moderate is in between the low
density residential so that's the future land-use map the zoning again is not
being considered because they do not need that rezoning they are currently
zone NRU me 12 but to allow for a multi-family use they need a specific use
permit and that is what's being considered tonight the of the
Michelle's thank you chair yes so on that note run I noticed you had a
proposed zoning map in there that's just from an old presentation on this I
apologize yes that's okay yeah that's not right we're not considering that at
all okay thank you so again the NRU me 12 has a requirement that it obtain a
specific use permit if you're proposing a multifamily dwelling unit it also has
the L4 but the L4 basically also says specific use permit so essentially they
achieve both by obtaining a specific use permit criteria for approval under the
then development code is covered under sub chapter 6 3564 to be exact does the
proposed use conform with all the standards is it compatible and does it
have any adverse impact and through staff's analysis the criteria for
approval is is met and and as you already probably have seen staff is
recommending approval the site is shown here in red with major arterials mingo
University Arden loop shown here there are several subdivisions in the area the
Oak Ridge estates and of course the Bell Air North addition to the south had some
some folks come out of course in opposition due to the high density that
was being proposed since the public hearing I'm sorry the public meeting
that they held in January 31st there were some residents from those
subdivisions and they were pleased to see that they had revised their site
plan to reflect more of the 12 units per acre just way of background or
information there is another multifamily not too far from here it is called the
woodlands of Denton shown here to the west that is approximately 16 or 15.9
dwelling units per acre and they're gonna be well below that or below that
at 12 the mobility this was a topic of discussion by the public when they first
were here as far as traffic and so right now the classifications for Mockingbird
is a collector old north is also a collector which is just north of the
site and mingo is a secondary arterial and as you all know they're not built to
the standards or their their cross sections that are shown as of that
classification so that is a future widening project in the future and as of
today staff does not have any date of when those will be widened but we know
that they have to it's just that we don't have a timeline at this point the
staff analysis is in the backup I'm not going to go through it essentially they
meet the the future lane use we looked at the compatibility of the area they
are meeting the buffer the screening requirements they did do a TIA and they
are complying with the requirements or the measurements that are recommended
as part of TIA staff has looked at the orientation materials parking landscaping
and ESA requirements as part of the analysis as of this afternoon and I have
placed two notices or response to those notices on your on your desk there there
was an opposition by the property to the West that said person has formally
requested that his response be in favor rather than opposition which changes the
percentage so currently there are five property owners within 200 foot that are
in opposition that equates to or calculates to approximately eight point
four seven percent and again shown on this exhibit are the red identifying
those that are in opposition and then the person that is in favor is shown
here in green I want to point out that the property owner did have two
neighborhood meetings one again prior to the first public hearing back on October
31st there was one person that attended who was generally in favor really not
any opposition they came here and planning zoning Commission it was a
different story they held a second neighborhood meeting following that in
January this year January 31st they had more people there about 12 people and
again they were pleased to see that the density had dropped from whatever it was
to 12 units per acre staff make is making a recommendation for approval
with the following condition and we have this condition as part of a specific use
permit that the attached site plan and landscape plan reflects the intent to
comply with the DC requirements with regards to parking street trees
landscaping and buffers although if there are any minor modification through
the final building process they are able to but again the intent is to meet what
is provided to you in your backup and that concludes my presentation I'll be
happy to answer any questions for sure else thank you chair Ron I had a
question on the buffer to Bel Air is that is it just a landscape buffer that's
there is that all that's there there's actually a drainage channel on the
south side and so you have you have the drainage channel which is hard to see
and then above that is going to be a buffer as well of landscaping yes and I
believe it is a 15-foot buffer type C buffer any other questions thanks all
right thank you that concludes the work session for planning and zoning we will
convene for our meeting at 630 and council chambers thank you well I'll
close this meeting at 551
good evening ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the planning and zoning
Commission session for March 20th 2019 I will call this meeting to order at 637
the first item for business is a pledge of allegiance so if you're able please
stand and provide US flag and Texas flag pledge of allegiance
the next item of business is to consider approval of the minutes because of
attendance we're going to take these in two different votes so the chair will
first entertain a discussion or motion for the minutes for February 20th 2019
Commissioner Beck I move to approve the minutes for mark February 20th we have a
first for approval Commissioner Ellis second we have a second we have first
and a second for approval of the minutes any discussion seeing none I call for a
vote on the board motion carries 6-0 the chair will now entertain a motion or
discussion for the February 27th meeting minutes Commissioner Ellis I move we
have a first for approval Commissioner pernetta a second motion to approve we
have a second we have a first and a second for approval of the February 27th
meeting minutes see no discussion I'll call for a vote on the board motion
carries five zero with one recuse the next item of business is the consent
agenda and chair will listen to any discussion or motion for the consent
Commissioner Ellis I move approval of the consent agenda we have a first for
approval Commissioner Beck second we have a first and a second for approval
of the consent agenda any discussion seeing none I'll call for a vote on the
board motion carries 6-0 that moves us to the public hearing the first item for
hearing is item 4a HL 19 - 0 0 0 1 a I'll open the public hearing and ask Roman
for presentation thank you chair my name is Roman McAllen I'm the historic
preservation officer for the city of Denton tonight we have a request for
historic landmark designation and we're asking you to make a recommendation to
consider making a recommendation to City Council regarding an application for
historic landmark designation for the property located at 900 Egan Street this
is a standard residential lot of 9800 square feet zoning is nr3 this is
presently use present use as a single-family residence just a little bit
of orientation from where we're sitting today out to the northwest north
northwest is the Egan Street and this neighborhood in 1917 can we take it we
can take us back take you back about that far in 1917 the land was conveyed
to the city of Denton for a dollar and it was in order to construct the streets
so the streets that were laid out then were Panhandle Egan Ponder and Alice
Street and here you see the lot that is the lot in question tonight and this was
platted in 1923 we have a mechanics lien on this property so we know it was
constructed for $3,750 in between July 14th of 1924 in August so in the short
two or three months in the hottest time of the year for $3,750 someone
constructed a house and the agreement was to construct a one-frame dwelling
house of six rooms one bath one hall two porches the solid it says a solid brick
foundation and I assume that solid brick piers because it's a pier and beam home
and also a convass which is a term that I researched as much as I could and if
you know what the definition of a convass is I'd appreciate it I think it
has something to do with resting or a porch it also had included paper and
paint and plumbing and wire and all the fixtures and so that work was completed
by LG McCormick for CEO Hussie now CEO Hussie took ownership briefly in 1924
from C and Bertie Lipscomb they appeared to have deed at the house to him to to
contract with the contractor and in their agreement when in the deed it
actually said that he would construct a modern dwelling house of standard
construction equal to or better than a five-bedroom bungalow so then you have
this progression of ownership and there are total 12 owners listed here which is
something rare for a home that is in this condition which is a good condition
and 12 owners over those years you do know that in 19 in 1940 I believe it was
that there was an remodel an extensive remodel which is that blue block in the
middle for six hundred and ninety dollars where there was some upgrades to
the property the present owner has been there for ten years that's William Bo
Hughes and Kimberly Beth Hughes and they've been there ten years and made
some improvements this is the home and our historic resource survey you see
that stripe there that it was a considered a contributing home to any
potential historic district and of a medium priority and they said they were
pretty close at 1925 for the construction date and this image is from
the Denton County tax records this is the home as it looks today some diagonal
images as well as the rear elevation on your right where some additional square
footage was added to the house as well as a porch which are appropriate for
these for the style of the home the the home hasn't still retains a lot of its
original condition including now what only that's really changed from the
front is the front door there were two front doors as a lot of homes had at
this period in time when people would rent a front room or a back room and
often they person would have their own exterior access the front the columns
which were interesting there these full columns which are a row brick pattern
there standard I wrote the term there this is a let me get my stretcher bond
brick pattern on these on these columns there were three columns and then there
was a shorter decorative column the original lap double novelty siding is
still there the wooden double hung windows and especially important in
Denton these very stylized roof rafter tails which we see throughout the inner
part of Denton and some cities you don't see him so often but in some in Denton
are very well articulated now the home is not just important for having that
architectural integrity but it's also about who owned the home and who was
born in the home and so here we have mrs. Scott and mrs. Scott her name was
mrs. Vesta Scott and her husband lived in the house and she was had a prolific
career in Denton she was a songwriter and many of her songs were played on
radio stations in Fort Worth and Dallas she wrote a song called April is Spring
and it was a lovely according to the Denton record Chronicle a lovely
reminiscing melody about Texas State College for Women's red buttoned lane
but that was what she did part-time what she did full-time was operate the Scott
nursing home and don't want to leave out that she was also on the Texas Council
for the promotion of poetry and was represent was on one program in the
poetry hour now what she did otherwise was operate the Scott nursing home and
while nursing home here I think we have really a birthing center and so there
are many records of people who were born in this home including here as we see in
the blue a boy was born to mr. and mrs. Joseph Kershbaum who lived at 220 Frye
and that he was a professor at UNT he was a very important professor he was a
Yale graduate and he directed the Oberlin Conservatory string orchestra he
did a lot of impressive work including that he served for a time for a quite a
long number of years with the East Texas symphony East Texas Symphony in Tyler
Texas but that son that was born to him is is really quite impressive Ralph
Kershbaum who we saw in that story was born he went on to become a really lauded
cello player and include he had appearances with the symphony orchestras
of Boston Chicago San Francisco in London he served on the faculty of the
Royal Northern College of Music in Manchester for 38 years and in 2008 he
accepted a chair at the University of Southern California's Thornton School of
Music and I don't imagine his parents paid anything extra for him to to work
or to attend there and to be that position he received an honorary
doctorate of music from the Royal Conservatory of Scotland in Glasgow and
he served a five-year term on the United States Presidents Committee on the Arts
and Humanities so I mean this home is just so representative of Denton in our
history and our tie to music and the arts and it should be no surprise that
if we just dig a little at each in any house and you look around we find these
neat stories he also played in the Symphony Sydney Orchestra in Sydney
Australia and you note this in yellow here from the Los Angeles Times it says
Ralph Kershbaum on cello the highest echelon of today's cellist so cellist so
he was really quite phenomenal and so basically we were now at the criteria
for designated property in the city of Denton and we have this criteria there
it meets quite a few of the criteria but I listed three here that the property
has character or interest or value as part of a development heritage or the
cultural characteristics of our city in this home this case the home retains
those qualities that I've told you about and it was the location for number 11
identification with a person who significantly contributed to the culture
and development of the city the state or the United States and the filing number
three a building or structure that because of its location has become a
value to the neighborhood Egan Street it's one of the most intact historical
streets in Denton it's really phenomenal and so landmarking a property there
certainly meets the Denton plan 2030 goal of encouraging voluntary landmark
designation as a vehicle to protect sites with historical significance
notices were sent out in the two hundred and five hundred four five hundred square
foot radius not square foot foot radius and we had one print response that was
favorable and one phone call to my office and the owner has also had a
posting in front of his home there the sign has been there for the required
time and I'll take any questions thank you for the presentation the screen is
loading here I do not see any questions for you thank you thank you this is a
public hearing anyone wishing to speak on this item may certainly do so if you
would like is there anyone here wishing to speak on this seeing none I will
close the public hearing and turn it to discussion in a motion
Commissioner Ellis thank you chair Roman thanks for a great presentation as
always I move approval we have a first for approval Commissioner pernetta I
second that motion we have a first and a second for approval of recommending to
counsel the this application for the historically marked designation any
discussion seeing none we'll call for a vote on the board the only thing I wanted
to say is I know this family personally I'm super excited and proud that they
went through the work to get here and so congratulations to the Hughes family for
earning this designation hopefully council will do a unanimous vote on this
item with that we'll vote on the board
motion carries six zero that moves us to our next and final public hearing item
for BS 18 - 0 0 0 5 D I will open the public hearing and invite Ron for
presentation
thank you chair members of Commission members of staff this item is s 18 5
mockingbird multifamily and this is a should be a familiar project y'all had
seen this back in November of last year it is for a specific use permit
initially back in November the applicant requested a zoning change as well as a
specific use permit during that public hearing there was some comments received
by the applicant regarding the density of the proposed development being over
12 units per acre the applicant has since amended their site plan and their
proposal to be below the 12 at I'm sorry at 12 units per acre therefore the
rezoning request has been withdrawn and tonight we are just considering the
specific use permit the specific use permit is again to allow for the
multifamily dwelling use the applicant is proposing 118 dwelling units on 9.91
acres and as you can see here located on the west side of mockingbird Lane and
just south of mingo for the land use element the area in subject area that is
is designated as moderate residential designated for roughly 12 to sorry 4 to
12 dwelling units per acre looking at low-rise multifamily single-family
detached housing maintaining the scale of the area but also providing that
transitional zoning that you see from a higher intense zoning to the lower
intense zoning that's shown in on this slide the zoning is NRM you 12 that is
the zoning and they are not changing that the zoning does allow for
multifamily however it requires a specific use permit and also to meet the
limitation 14 I'm sorry limitation 4 which essentially is a requirement for a
specific use permit or part of a mixed-use development they're not doing
mixed-use they're just doing apartments so they're going to take care of both
requirements through the specific use permit it allows for 12 units per acre
where they are maximum lock coverage of 60 and maximum height of 40 and the
applicant or the proposed site plan meets those requirements for criteria for
approval it is located in sub chapter 6 of the den development code
specifically 3564 looking at how it is headed how it conforms with the
standards as well as compatibility and that it not be an adverse impact to the
surrounding area for compatibility analysis as part of your backup we did
look at the area the area here shown in red is the subject property the major
arterials or streets are shown here University mingo Audra and the loop there
are existing developments within the area for context you have Oak Ridge to
the southeast Bel Air north directly to the south shallow field of fields to the
West and then you have other developments I want to make I want to
make note of woodlands of Denton which is the closest multifamily development to
the subject site is located to the west of the project subject project this is
some information on the woodlands of Denton it is approximately 15.9 dwelling
units per acre and again the proposal for this subject property is 12 units per
acre so less than what is shown or at woodlands of Denton as far as mobility I
know that at our last public hearing there were a lot of questions and
comments related to traffic and in other items the mobility plan shows mingo as a
secondary arterial mockingbird is a collector shown here in this dotted line
and Audra is also shown as a collector road I will tell you that all three or
all of the surrounding streets are not built to the street classification that
is part of our mobility plan staff again as part of the analysis looks at a
number of different factors we looked at the future land use element again it is
designated as small moderate residential compatibility the adequate capacity of
infrastructure those have been reviewed by development review committee and they
are there are adequate capacity in that area there was a traffic impact analysis
that was conducted as part of this specific use permit the mitigations that
were identified help address some of the traffic issues that potentially could be
generated by this development the applicant has applied those mitigation
measures as part of development in their site plan they're installing a right
turn lane as you head south so that allows people to get into the
development quicker and not have a backup on mingo vice versa heading
north there are two entrances to the site again to allow for more ability to
get in and not be trapped I have traffic along mockingbird we also looked at
building materials parking landscaping screening and ESA requirements the
applicant will be required to meet all of those requirements they are also
meeting the buffer and screening requirements in the form of a type C on
the south a type B to the west again those are all part of the DEN
development code requirements as of this afternoon we have received
approximately eight responses five in opposition and you can see those that
are represented in the red are those that are in opposition and that calculates
to eight point four seven percent and then the one and the three that are in
favor the one is shown here in green and there are two others that are not shown
here but they're in the 200 foot area that it calculates to 14% during the
initial stage the applicant did hold a neighborhood meeting it was held on
October 31st and one person attended that meeting and that person generally
was in favor however soon after that the public hearing at the public hearing
with planning zoning Commission the Commission heard from several property
owners or neighbors and they were in opposition hearing those comments in
those concerns the applicant was asked to go back and talk to the neighbors and
they have they before they did however they refined and updated their site plan
to lower the density because that was really the major discussion during the
public hearing and on January 31st they held another neighborhood meeting and at
that meeting there were 12 approximately 12 members of the community that
attended the applicant shared with them their revised site plan and generally
the attendance or attendees were pleasant to hear that the density has now
been lowered to 12 units per acre than what was previously proposed with that
staff is recommending approval of the specific use permit with the condition
that the site plan and landscape plan reflected reflects the intent to comply
with the DC requirements and any minor modification or alteration can be
approved by staff as long as they meet the intent and again they have shown and
have told us that they're going to meet all of that and so the site plan and the
landscape plan documents all of what they've agreed to do with that I will
stand for questions the applicant is present and I am ready for any questions
we do have one question mr. Beck thank you chair thanks Ron in your
recommendation are you indicating that this site plan is pretty much the way
it's going to be with possibly some minor changes right and that anything
beyond minor changes would be kind of they would have to bring this back okay
okay so the site plan is the this is pretty much it okay I'm gonna be as far
as location of buildings and everything like that right okay the other thing I
wanted to discuss on the south side where you've got that open drainage you
said there was gonna be a 15 foot barrier from the buffer it'll be a 15
foot buffer okay it'll be on the south side of that open drain will be on the
north side no drain so I'll be further away okay and I misunderstood that
because I drove by there earlier and when you mentioned that I thought
there's not 15 feet between on the south side of it okay that answers that thank
you Ron thank you Ron any other questions this is a public hearing you
on wishing to speak may certainly do so we have a couple cards filled out Ron
mentioned the applicants is here I do not have a card for the applicant are
y'all wishing to speak are you just here for questions or you want to say they
have a presentation okay perfect we'll certainly invite the applicants up you
have 20 minutes 10 minutes and if you could fill out a card if possible it'd
be a great help and if you just state your name and address for the record
five eight one one carry drive Frisco Texas seven five zero three five so thank
you Commission we were here back in November as Ron mentioned and we got
very good feedback from the commissioners and we had good feedback
from the neighborhoods and we made a lot of changes several changes and we went
back to the neighbors and we got another round of feedback from them and these
were the feedback that we had received there were basically into four different
categories now one was traffic the major concerns were laid out over there but it
seemed like most of the concerns that were came out of the traffic were
related to the intersection of mingle and mockingbird right and also on the
south side on mockingbird and order not exactly adjacent to our property in
front of mockingbird and then the second thing we heard about was the building
heights and we have reduced that now only to two stories so all the neighbors
were very pleasant to hear that that we are only going to do two story the third
one was the drainage because some neighbors mentioned that there is always
water on the west side of mockingbird on the south side of the mockingbird
property line and what we have done is we have done a thorough civil floodplain
study on that and we have included in the new site plan we have modeled the
floodplain in the area to account for additional runoff so not only normal but
we have also added some additional runoff to make that even better and then
the fourth feedback we had received at that time was about on-site parking few
neighbors mentioned it was too much parking few neighbors mentioned it was
too less parking so in the new site plan as mentioned what we are doing is it is
inside parking so it's all enclosed garages it's like single-family homes
right parking is all enclosed and also all the drivers so that's those are the
few changes that we made to make sure everything is taken for we do have a
couple questions for you Mr. Beck thank you chair thank you mr. partner for your
presentation thought I heard you said all your buildings are going to be two
stories right because in your narrative it says most are all of them are two
stories so are you saying now that all the buildings will be two story okay
okay thank you had not seen other questions for you at this time we might
have some later but thank you for your presentation thank you again this is a
public hearing anyone wishing to speak may do so we'll go through the cards I
have and then if they're getting more we can continue the first card I have is
for Kimberly Wells and if you could just state your name and address for the
record you'll have three minutes to speak hi my name is Kimberly Wells I live
at 2933 Stockton Street I just wanted to come and voice my concerns I know many
have been addressed and I do appreciate that when we do get responses but the
parking situation still is a big concern to me Stockton runs right behind those
apartments and so do some of the other neighborhoods and many of those multi
family homes will have two or three bedrooms and they end up being occupied
by students which I did when I was a student and each have a car and each
have two you know significant others with cars and I just that's a big
concern to me of if Stockton and the other neighborhoods are going to become
parking for that area I know they said there would be parking for each lot but
is that is it two car or do they park out on the street how much parking is
available for each apartment that's that's one of my main concerns and the
other which he talked about was the drainage Audra and all that does over
flow a lot and I just don't want anything to make it worse when we go
down where Audra hits mingo when we have significant rains that area becomes kind
of overloaded so those are my main concern as I said I live directly below
and I am pleased that the trees are going to be preserved and that it's been
cut back to two stories but the parking is kind of my main concern when it
overflows thank you perfect thank you as well as we have a question for you
question question Sanchez when you say parking you live on Stockton I live on
Stockton okay and so in order to come out from from the development or to get
to the development you have to come on to mockingbird and then go to new stock it
would just be a kind of a u-turn almost into from there into Stockton because
they won't be able to park on mockingbird yes mockingbirds like there's
no there's no parking there there's no parking they'd have to come out of the
development and then drive all the way to Stockton well Stockton's right behind
it yeah I know it's right behind it but it would still have the according to the
what do you call it the entrance or the exit from from from the development it
would go into mockingbird so they'd have to come in order to park some I'm
wondering what how that would affect you say it's parking but I don't understand
I'm saying when visitors come to that lot a lot of issues that come up when
we talk about towing and things like that is how limited visitors are there
so if you have a lot of visitors a lot of students a lot of people if they
don't have enough parking not just for the house but for the visitors they're
gonna where they will park is in those neighborhoods and I mean I brought up
Stockton because mine is right there and you could park and then just walk right
up it's the sidewalk into that area and then there's the neighborhood across the
street so we're already pretty everybody on my neighborhood seems to own three to
four trucks so good for them but we're already pretty sandwiched in on our
street so that's just a concern that if they only allow one or two visitors
parking spots and people have five or six people over where is that overflow
parking where are they gonna park and I'm just worried it's gonna be in the
neighborhoods that's just my main concern okay all right all right thank
you miss Wells we'll make sure I will get an answer from the city we'll let
other people speak we'll make sure we'll get an answer about the parking
requirement you ask okay hang around we'll get an answer for you because some
apartments have very different from others just as somebody who visits
apartments they'll say you can't you know find a place to park outside my my
parking complex so I just want to make sure that's not the case we'll get more
clarification for you next car I have is for Sandra Williams and if you just
state your name and address for the record you'll also have three minutes my
name is my name is Sandra Williams I live at 3049 Brandywine Street I am not
within the 500 foot impact but I live in the neighborhood on the east side of
Mockingbird and I have two concerns number one what you call a drainage I
call a creek when Bel Air was built about 15 years ago they cemented the
drainage to allow the runoff to go on down but behind our neighborhood the
drainage is not cemented or concrete and so I just wondered if the city is
planning on keeping that drain clean so that when there is a heavy rain and to
accommodate all the extra runoff from the apartments will will it go down the
and keep flowing east or will it back up and flood my neighborhood my
neighborhood was flooded I can't remember how many years ago but we had
about five inches of rain in 12 hours and our streets were flooded now it
didn't flood any homes it did flood the streets up to the top of the curbs so
that was a concern and that doesn't have anything to do with the developer I'm
just asking the city where you keep the creek clean so the water will run off my
other concern was parking also I am I walk in the neighborhood and I see the
traffic and I've walked out Audra where it goes east and west goes east toward
loop 288 and there is a new addition the last five or ten years called Audra
estates they have built luxury town they're not called town homes they're
called duplexes and they each have a two-car garage but so many of them have
been purchased and then leased out to different people like two to four people
to an apartment with that many different cars and when I walked down the street I
cannot walk down the sidewalk which was built for that reason for we could so we
could walk I have taken a couple of pictures if you're interested in seeing
the parking condition on Bayfield in front of the luxury townhomes because you
cannot it this street is completely full and my pictures were taken after most of
the people had left but you still cannot walk down the sidewalk set those right
on that little target felt right there and then we can have the camera up above
you turn on thank you so you can see that four cars in a driveway they have a
garage but they're not using the garages evidently plus more cars on the street
now I have another one
it is and this was later in the day like after 8 o'clock maybe almost 9 and
there's still that many cars on the street my son used to live in a
neighborhood a condominium neighborhood he had to rent a garage but the garage
wasn't deep enough for a full-size car or a pickup truck so he couldn't use the
garage for anything but storage and he used the one allotted parking space out
front so when we went to visit him from out of town you know and to spend the
night we had to find a visitor spot there were only just a few visitor spots
and if the visitor spots were empty when people were coming home from work they
would use them for for themselves instead of allowing visitors so it was
really difficult and sometimes we could park in front of the clubhouse but there
were only about six spots there or we could park farther down toward the
street and eventually some people were parking out on their street so that's a
concern as I am thinking of mrs. Wells that they might end up parking on
mockingbird or coming around the corner when people have visitors I appreciate
you coming letting us know thank you next is Norman miss Ploy miss play I'm
sorry miss play if you could just state your name and address for the record
you also have three minutes my name is Norman display live at 2921 Stockton
Street which is directly I guess we consider it east of the proposed
multifamily use that they're going to be putting in there a couple of three concerns about it
number one in a process of building these they're going to have to widen
mockingbird in order for the trucks to come in and out and everything else has
that been addressed as to what they're going to be handling there because of
the traffic that handles mockingbird that goes up and down that area come from
mocking comes from Stockton Street which is directly east of there and then the
rest of the places that are going be able to take care of that and then the
building is going to be two stories high and I think they said 118 buildings in
that particular area that means a lot of drainage and everything else with that
drainage be going into the culvert that is there and the other thing I was
looking at is right behind our house there is a tree line that goes on the
north side that we'd like to have the tree line to stay there if possible
because that breaks a lot of wind that comes down through that area into the
houses and rattles the fences or blows them down or everything else and maybe
the shingles and like to know if that tree line can stay there as protection
for the houses that rear the houses that are on Stockton Street that are right up
next to that culvert that's right there for the drainage and be sure and just be
sure that when it does heavy rain that it handles everything that's coming in
with that many people coming in and those houses being worked on and
everything else then that means that there may be some things that could
happen where the drainage doesn't always come off and may take a while while
they're doing this in order for that to be taken care and handled is you know
they're going to be working with that and handling that and then the other
thing is since there's going to be so many people coming into that area and a
lot of cars and everything what about police trafficking are they going to be
watching the highway over there much more than what they normally do and we
also have railroad tracks that come across there which goes through mingle
and comes across Mockingbird which is right now and sometimes during the day
and in the evening that's a traffic hazard in some areas that you have to be
real careful about are they addressing that is that going to be included in
this or is that going to be taken on by the city at a different time or a
different area and these are some of the things that we're looking at there the
people that I've talked to would like to keep the tree line there they want to be
sure that we're going to have everything taken care of and the people that are
coming in and who and then who's going to run that area there who's the
management people they're going to be taking care of it and who's the managers
are there are they willing to meet with the people that are there so we can be
sure that we all work together as a team and not individually to the point where
we're trying to get out everybody else we want to work together we don't mind
people coming in or anything like that but we want to work together and again
is the parking situation I've been down Stockton Street either early in the
morning or late in the evening when the people come home and the people live in
there there's a lot of houses in there that ran out rooms to college students
and everything and they parked and again like the picture showed that she had you
do have the highway I'm going to use her picture she doesn't mind right here if
there are sidewalks that are blocked through there so it is hard to go
walking or anything like that especially for the children that are there that
are coming in because that's parked they have to walk outside or go around the
cars puts them in the street that could be a dangerous thing for small children
and we need to be looking at all of that I think any questions at all I do not
see any questions but I appreciate being here and yes sir
Commissioner Sanchez I believe that is against a law for them to park and block
that isn't it I I know I have a tenant that parked like that and I was and he
was he was warned by the code enforcement that they're not supposed to
be parking that blocking the sidewalks okay with this many people coming in and
everything like it is even now on Stockton Street especially we notice a
lot of people that are parking like that they're trying real hard but the way
that the situation is set now some of those garages are not sitting for back
far enough to park in four cars sometimes not even two cars especially if
you have a ram charger pickup or anything like that and it's still gonna
stick out in that area so that's still a concern because we have a lot of
children especially couples coming in young children out you want to walk and
stuff like that we might not look out for them we want to be on the curse on
the careful side of that and this is the other thing that we're looking at to be
sure that everything that we work with is working cooperatively we understand
that they want to build housings there and multi units that's well and fine
let's be sure we got all the all our T's crossed all our I's dot as we go into
this and these things need to be addressed before they start building or
they get it taken care of so we understand exactly what's going on I
missed the meetings that they had I'll be honest with you I worked a lot but
that's beside the point the point of it is that we look at this objectively and
be sure that everything that is done that can be done and I'm sure that the
people building these houses have got a lot of things on their mind and they're
looking at the same time but you still got material coming in you got a lot of
trucks coming up and down mockingbird and that's not a very big street as it
is number two there's only two instances into the area where they're talking
about so they're probably going to have to enlarge those areas in order to get
trucks in and out and materials in and out at the same time there's only two
ways you can get into that place when I was by that house is there the other
ones down by another little what used to be watch house or a house that worked
with gardening or whatever to go into that area which means that they do that
and they're going to enlarge it and that also means that that drainage is comes
down through there that goes into the fire we have to look and be sure that's
all tied in any other questions I did not see any thank you very much thank you
very much thank you for coming out next go to have us for Linda good off I need
to state your name and address for the record you'll have three minutes thank
you my name is Linda good away I live at 3001 Oakshire Street thank you for the
opportunity to speak and I apologize for being late I'm actually coming out of a
PTA meeting so I'm actually the president of the PTA for Alexander
Alexander Elementary School so I am proud of my community very involved I
happen to be located within that 500 foot area my subdivision has one
entrance one exit and we already have issues with traffic backing up when
there's a train cars lining either side of the street so that fire engines
ambulances have a tough time entering and exiting I think the potential for
building this project will bring at least 200 more cars onto a two-lane road
that does not have sidewalks I cannot walk when I lived I moved here in 2006
from Austin I walked four miles every day and it was safe I was around Zilker
Park I was in a very congested busy area I can leave my subdivision if I cross
Mockingbird and go over into the Bel Air addition they have sidewalks but that
would require me crossing that very busy street I'd like to remind everyone we
had a death in October of 2018 of an esteemed member of our community who was
crossing Audra just four tenths of a mile north of the woodlands he was
walking his dogs he was trying to cross Audra trying to get back home he was
killed he was struck by a vehicle and he and his dogs were killed I know several
years ago on Audra close to loop 288 we also do not have sidewalks there so
there's no way I can even make a walk around the block with my kids my dogs
safely because there's not sidewalks for me to do that on there was a young boy
who was struck by a vehicle on his bike he survived but I just I am very
sensitive to the fact that our kids our family are in danger with the
infrastructure the way it is so I'm not opposed to the development but I really
would love to see infrastructure I felt like we waited very patiently while the
Bel Air addition was installed I was hoping that we would get sidewalks
completed on Audra and on Mockingbird I'd also like to remind you that Mockingbird
and then Mingo flood so when we have a heavy rain it floods so it's going to
cause whoever resides in this development to maybe not be able to get
home when we have a heavy rain so there needs to be improvements on both
Mockingbird and Mingo additionally I'm sure you all have traveled down Mingo
when there was a train and you see how far the traffic backs up it's a hazard
because again that's a two-lane road no sidewalks there either thank you so much
for being here and thanks for your service to the schools Christian for not
has a question yeah I just kind of wanted to ask real quick I hadn't really
made the connection of where exactly this was Roddy was a friend of mine thank
you and I just wanted to ask if you're all in the community have made any
efforts petitioning City Council about getting sidewalks in your area to improve
the safety you know we have not and I want to say I just assumed it was in the
plan you know I just assumed that when you work with the developers to increase
the density of the housing population that you're also working on the
infrastructure I think in the presentation it said that Mockingbird
Mingo they're not they're not up to the code for the amount of traffic that they
receive currently so why would we impose over 200 additional cars on those roads
so yes that would be my next step to to go to City Council but I just I feel
like we kind of got orphaned over there you know that there's a lot of
improvement going on in other areas of the city and we just got left behind the
elementary school my kids go to was known as Robert E. Lee it's one of the
older elementary schools in Denton we are a title one elementary school and if
you look at the district zoning map we probably have the smallest radius around
the elementary school of any elementary school in Denton ISD and the reason is
the volume of multi-family homes it's very densely populated
Tricia Sanchez so let me get you live it in the woodlands no I don't live in the
woodlands but the pedestrian death I was speaking of happened in the driver's
way of the Ann Wendell school and it was four tenths of a mile from the woodlands
which is a recent fairly recent multi-family development right right right
so so where actually do you live so I live on the corner of mockingbird and
Oakshire Street okay okay yes yeah that whole area doesn't have sidewalks no we
really need them because so much traffic comes in and out okay I just want to
make sure we're thank you thank you and and may I also say even over in the
Bel Air edition where there are sidewalks kids play football in the
street they play basketball we don't have a park we don't have a shared play
space so our streets right now are actually serving as the playground for
our children unfortunately Ron are you aware of City Council's form they have
for requesting sidewalks council member Briggs had recently posted that I was
wondering if if not I can sidebar with Miss Godoy to get her that there is a
public form where you can request a sidewalk like petition process we can
certainly provide that to mr. yeah sorry I think that's the lowest barrier to
entry to get in front of council on sidewalk provisions so I'd certainly at
least fill out that form online so a council member will follow up with you
about what steps would take to hopefully build some sidewalk infrastructure thank
you Ron I do not see any thank you so much for your time thank you that's the
last card I had but this is a public hearing anyone wishing to speak may
certainly do so is there anyone else wishing to speak you may certainly do
so if you just can come to the mic and state your name and address for the
record my name is Nancy Carson and I live at 2908 Oakshire and I just have
some questions from things that were said tonight so could I ask those you
certainly ask those and then we'll I'm getting a list and I think the other
commissioners are as well to make sure all those questions that are asked can
be addressed as best as possible okay I'd like to know how many bedrooms are
going to be in these units and if they'll all be the same or a variety if
you just is that the only question you have no I have another one let's list
those questions and I'll call the okay and I'd like to know if there's going to
be a site manager or a resident manager on the property and I'd like to know how
far the railroad track is from the property line any other questions I had
more let's say oh I think Ron mentioned a low density that they had when they
were planning this they decided to lower the density so I wanted to ask about
that what did they lower it to or they lowered it just under 12 it's a 11 point
nine units per acre okay so it's under the 12 units per acre that the zoning I
thought it already was 12 that was why I was asked in the question they came at
last year with the proposal that has significantly more than 12 per acre
they've refined their application and brought it back this evening with it
reduced under the 12 okay thank you and I'll make sure we get the other
questions if possible so thank you for those questions thank you is there
other individuals wishing to speak on this item this is a public hearing
anyone wishing to speak we certainly do so
so seeing no other comments I'll go ahead and close the public hearing and
turn it to the dais for motion or questions and I certainly have some
questions for city and the applicant to address but we'll let Commissioner back
go thank you chair yeah I would like the owner to come back up and address the
parking if you could and if you've got your site plan if you could put that up
for us because I I'm looking at it and it's not real clear how parking is I
think I've got a good idea but I'd like you to demonstrate how parking is going
to occur within okay you've got 11 buildings correct okay and I see those
so is the parking going to be in between the buildings
can you turn the mic just yeah sorry so the example that was given here on this
one I have visited the property personally and it's a dead-end street
and there are 78 units in less than five acres and I would never do that it's a
dead-end there is no other way to go that's the only street you can park 78
times two okay but I need you to address your parking if you would what that that
area you're showing to is to the east of all these units here they're not there's
no street connection to it so I'm not sure how anybody get away to walk it
unless they got up on the order and walked over but if you would show us how
your units are going to allow for parking
absolutely yeah you just state your name and address so we have my name is Patrick
I'm with Kirkman engineering my address is 4821 Merlot Avenue in grapevine Texas
I've got a list of questions here I could probably really help make some
clarification there yeah if we could address Mr. Beck's question on parking
each this will really function like a town can you sit your plane yeah this is
really what I'd like to show here and this is a detail of each driveway
location or any the square here is going to be the unit you can see the interior
garage there in a driveway and so each particular unit can house four cars
it's got four parking stalls assigned to each unit and we worked pretty
extensively with staff on that because that really exceeds the parking
requirement to a point where we had to add more trees or reduce parking those
were our options or or pay for them and so we work with staff to kind of make
the the unique clarification of that this doesn't really function as a
multifamily product and these parks are valuable and will serve for the for the
betterment of the community to go back to the point that is brought up on the
duplex community down the road is it's a public street and public right away this
is a private development which can be policed significantly better than that
the public road development allows on on Street Park that's well within the
rules and the law this would be against the rules if someone wants parks on the
fire lane that that's against the law and you've got people on site that can
can police that and maintain that so that and there there's guest parking per
the city code like I said beyond that so the calculations that's been done is per
its per unit per bedroom based on the size of the unit the unit based on the
size of the bedrooms or the number of bedrooms and then you add on 10% for
visitor parking and we way exceeded that number to a point where we had to work
with staff to come up with a compromise there that is parking I guess we could
we could address the questions as you like or I could run through the list of
questions I heard from the residents real quick and then yeah if you would do
that yeah since here there's gonna be approximately 118 units that's great
that's 118 bedrooms that's 118 units individually school units we've got one
two and three bedrooms correct and the site plan itself in the site data table
here let list each lot in the number of units in each one and then I think the
majority of my three-bedroom and there's two-bedroom on on lot two okay yeah if
you would go ahead yeah okay yeah sure I think we can get clear up a lot of the
confusion here so parking is like we discussed I mean I think we went way
above and beyond on the parking drainage I understand that the the property is
wet now it's got floodplain on it we're working to not even to mitigate that
really to remap it when that concrete channel was put in they remapped a
portion of the floodplain they didn't remap the entire floodplain that concrete
channel holds the majority of the floodplain so we will remap that and then
mitigate what we don't that the concrete channel does not hold so you you know the
the drainage may be bad now from a standpoint of water standing around
we'll create a scenario that significantly improves that you know and
I understand the concept of well we're adding all these buildings we're out in
all this concrete we're going to increase runoff absolutely 100% correct
but what we will do is increase the time it takes for it to get for rain to hit
the ground get in the channel and out of the system instead of letting it hit the
ground build up get saturated fill the channel up while everything upstream of
the channel fills up the channel and those thing to peaks meet at the same
time so there's a there's a peak on peak phenomenon that is an engineering
discussion and so we'll get in and out of the system well before that peak
comes through and so the overall drainage of the property should increase
or should be improved when we come in and with this development and you know
you don't have to believe me there's we've got a flood study that proves that
and well the city will require that of us so that's drainage so trees I'm sure
you guys have seen a number of tree mitigation plans or preservation plans
we that this site was particularly difficult and there are a number of
trees on the site and we're required to preserve a number of them there's a
bunch of really really nice old mature trees and we want to preserve them as
much as anybody and we're required to preserve a number of them which we're
doing and then the ones that we can't preserve we're required to mitigate for
and and we're far exceeding that to that point the trees that run along the
north edge of that open drainage you'd be able to salvage that and use that as
part of your absolutely I'm not here to commit that I can absolutely do that the
design the engineering hasn't been done on that but I mean you're gonna have a
15-foot barrier there anyway so those trees could absolutely serve part of it
yes I mean we want the barriers as much as anybody we want the natural trees
just as much as anybody and that is absolutely a high priority for us and
it's part of our tree mitigation plan so we're anticipating that being the case
okay that was trees having a hard time reading my hand right in here oh the
again on the public chain of the channel and the maintenance of that it's a public
channel it's not on our property it's completely off our property it'll be
maintained and up and by the by the city they'll that's really kind of out of a
lot of these issues are out of our control and out of our purview really
so how many I guess I'm trying to stay in order here drainage trees so police
trafficking I you know I'm not sure we've got a real large control that we
will have on-site management that that will manage the multifamily development
like any other one if there's issues that they will be in contact with the
police they'll be you know well the managers actually live there or just be
there during working hours there was a concern about how construction gets in
and out of the site I have I'm fortunate enough to be deal a lot with development
and construction and there will be a one construction entrance there may be two
access points to the site right now there'll be there'll be one point of
access that'll be built per you know standards of the city and and regional
standards that show how to create a construction entrance trucks get in and
out pretty freely it's going to create debris on the road that will have to be
maintained and cleaned up and you know periodically that that's part of this
process and it's part of any construction process it'll be done just
like any other the sidewalks the lack of sidewalks in the adjacent neighborhoods
I really can't do a whole lot to address address that concern but one of the
things that has been required of us is along with the expansion of mockingbird
or the inclusion inclusion of two D cell lanes for each one for each of our
drivers an eight-foot sidewalk is required along our entire frontage and
so you know that that should help out some of the sidewalk situation as much
as we possibly can it was yeah that was another question y'all are gonna be
required to put sidewall okay we connect to Stockton I believe we don't connect
to Stockton oh that's right the drink right so we'll take it to the limits of
our of our site and beyond that it's right away and other private brought I
forgot about the open right there so more flooding and like was discussed
before a lot of the concerns were the traffic on you know adjacent areas on
mockingbird and mingo and on Audra there's there's very little I think we
we can do we've done a traffic study and I know Ron mentioned that with all three
of the thoroughfares in that area are not built to ultimate conditions that is
true but they are operating within a reasonable standard at this time the
traffic study shows that in that the way that process typically works in my mind
and you know maybe city staff can correct me is that when there's not
really a major need there until there until you get those level service that
are operating in a function that aren't servicing the neighborhoods and you know
that that's that's kind of where we're at we're making the improvements to
mockingbird where we can but the adjacent areas are really outside of our
control don't yeah I think that's so I'm gonna just I think one of the questions
the distance from the railroad tracks was that address and if you can use this
Patrick to illustrate it shows your site plan a little relationship to the
railroad yes sir so these are the railroad tracks way up here in gray I
believe I you don't get me lying but I'm happy to measure it and give an exact
distance but you can see that I think there's a hundred foot right away here
for the railroad and the railroad tracks are generally in the middle of the
railroads it looks like about 50 feet here and then you know another 30 feet
to the closest building here and you know you see a significant difference
distance here from the railroad the railroad certainly a concern of ours and
you know it's sometimes it's difficult to lease space for people to live in
near a railroad and they're not quiet they are a burden and it's something we
will certainly have to deal with we do have another question from Chris or
Sanchez sure are you targeting us students or you get be targeting
families I think with three bedrooms and two bedrooms mostly we are looking at
families but again the market decides that but we'll be targeting both so you're
gonna be renting by the by the apartment not by the room right that is correct is
that correct okay to show us thank you chair I know a TIA was done do you know
what that study revealed yes yes I don't have here with me but it so we did an
original TIA if you remember back in November when we were before you there
were three driveways and so a little different modification to Mockingbird
Road and so that TIA was specifically took into account for those three
driveways and the diesel lanes and the traffic movements and that's
configuration the TIA has been revised to accommodate or to show the two
driveways and the level of service so it's like a it's like a letter score
grade a is good E is unfunctionable and I and I think the all the roads that are
mockingbird and mingo were both in the B range do you remember numbers
generation I don't know I'm not happy to provide the report to you I know see
staff has it and we can provide that information you sure back thank you
chair just we're here to vote on especially use permits so my question
isn't really pertinent to that but if you mind me asking if you mind sharing
what kind of price range are you looking at for your apartments close to around
$2,000 for a month I'm sorry for a month per unit yeah because the okay one
bedroom would go for one unit one unit will be around $2,000 per month right
what do you call in a unit oh we have one three bedroom will be one unit okay
so three bedroom would go for 2,000 that is correct and two bedroom would
obviously be a little bit less okay yeah okay so the maximum no it's gonna be
three bedroom and around 2,000 that is correct okay thank you appreciate you
sharing it I don't see any other questions this time so the public
hearing has been closed we've got a lot of questions answered certainly if
there's any more we can we can have the discussion but the chair would would
look to have a motion and discussion around the motion at this time
Christian back I'm gonna go ahead and move to approve this he has met the
criteria by right he can build there I understand the concern about the extra
traffic that's gonna occur there but it's it's gonna occur regardless that
spot won't stay empty forever the concern about any parking on Monking
Bird should be a moot issue they're just it's prohibited for anybody to park
there they would park at their own risk if they did so I don't see that being a
problem and based on what he's shown us he's meeting the parking requirements
and then some I would be surprised if you saw any parking taking place on the
other streets here so I think he's gone out of his way to accommodate the
neighborhood as best he can and I'm gonna go ahead and move to approve and
Christian back for clarification are you recommending approval with conditions
with the condition yes thank you we have a first for approval with
conditions Commissioner Sanchez I second it I'd like to state and the reason I
I'd like to mean that their apartments and they're gonna have some I know one
of the big concerns was are they gonna have on-site management and they
are and these are going to be apartments as opposed to I know we were shown some
pictures about those condos down the down the road and I don't know if they
have on-site management there so I yeah there's a big difference and those I've
been through there and when I first saw him I was appalled that something like
that was allowed because they it just didn't seem to me all the cars on the
middle of the road on the side of the road and there were people couldn't
drive through those roads through those through that street so I think what
we're seeing all the concessions they've done bringing it from down to 12 units
per acre is a lot of concessions there is some issues with with
Audra and mingo and what's it mockingbird but I think I think those are
gonna be those also going to be addressed you know in the future but I
think they're doing an honest effort to to create some little be acceptable
there in that area we have a first and a second for approval with conditions
commissioner pernetta yeah I just wanted to say a few words on this one I want to
thank the developer and everything for taking all the suggestions that came
out of the last time you were here there was a lot of opposition to what you guys
had been planning on doing and the fact that you got the number of units and
everything down you know within the zoning showed you know a great deal of
conscientiousness you know we had the questions about how parking would be
impacted on this one and my mother-in-law lives not too far from there
so I'm kind of used to driving around those areas and have seen that based on
the plan that he's kind of presented and everything the entry paths into the
community it seemed like they might mitigate the desire for other people to
park you know and surrounding areas because it looks like it'd be kind of a
inconvenient walk to go back from you know the adjacent blocks into there so I
think that's a good thing for mitigation one of the other things I do hope you
guys do you know is petition the city for sidewalks because I completely
sympathize with that and I know a lot of the challenges that people face
especially when you have a lot of children in that area so that doesn't
fall into the purview of what we're doing here but you know by all means
please seek that out because I would like to see that happen for your
community thank you any other discussion on the item the only thing I would say
is I'd echo Commissioner Pereta's thoughts I think there's some legitimate
concerns from the neighborhood that that need to be addressed I hope they do get
addressed with the sidewalks and a lot of other things but I I don't know the
extent in which the developers being should be held responsible for that and
I appreciate the feedback unfortunately it's not very often that the Commission
here pushes back the developer responds with with such consideration to the
neighborhood and the the feedback from the Commission so I appreciate that
y'all coming back and being persistent to to take that land and make use of it
but seeing no other discussion I'll call for a vote on the board motion carries
six zero congratulations then real fast staff wanted to say something I just
wanted to add on the sidewalk issue I know we have your your contact
information I do know that there is a project funded through the through the
COG Council of Governments it's a federally federally funded for
improvement of the sidewalk network around the school and I know that
there's a there's a portion of Audra I believe that's it that's part of that
federally funded project I think it has a completion date of 2020 but we'll get
all of that information send it to you and then we'll make sure that the
Commission's also copied on it so just wanted to
I think you have valid questions right now the forum this is not the
appropriate forum but Ron's right behind you and I think that would be a great
sidebar conversation he's the expert and so he can help you out thanks again for
coming out that moves us to our closing item the planning and zoning matrix I'll
first turn it to Richard for any clarification and then to the
Commission for any additions the only item that that I wanted to update on
here I know we have a lot of to be determined so we're trying to get some
of those some of those items square squared up with some dates I know in the
matrix were sort of down to down to four items with a lot of to be determined the
item the small area plans I know we will come come back to that the the
discussion item on maintaining the upland habitat habitats long term I know
Deborah sort of spoke to that we also talked to her earlier we're gonna put a
date of May with respect to that that's when she's planning on having the
criteria manual presented in front of us so we'll just include a sort of a longer
work session to ensure all of the questions are addressed as part of that
some of the other items will again we'll start working on I know the the urban
forest master plan that's getting ready to be kicked off so I did speak to Gary
he wanted it to get a little bit further down down the road as far as getting at
least it kicked off and then come back with sort of an update with respect to
that just wanted to update you on a couple items from council last night the
the tree code was was adopted the accessory dwelling cabana if you recall
that was also approved as was the car wash the the SGP for the auto hail place
across from City Hall that item was postponed the applicant was not there so
they postponed the item until the applicant could be there they had some
questions and the Audra Heights rezoning I think we saw some images
tonight of the phase one that phase two that townhouse the rezoning to to
increase that lot coverage that was denied by council last night and so just
wanted to give a quick update on those items I'm sorry Audra Heights is the one
on the north side of order down there the loop it correct so where the town
homes were it was sort of if you take where it would dead end if you just loop
that around right on the other on the east side they were planning I think it
was 89 townhomes okay that was that was denied so it was denied it was it was
denied okay so really they're there they're gonna read regroup and they have
they really have two choices they can continue you know they went through
preliminary plot they can continue with their with their their move forward with
the final plat which would be brought back to or in front of in front of the
Commission and then when they're ready to build it would either be a smaller
footprint or they could go up to three stories or they could replat to larger
lots but but really their impetus for it for the change if you recall was to
increase the lot coverage from 60% to 80% and just to give you an idea that
those that townhome project those were built to code and at 60 percent lot
coverage that gives you any idea of kind of what that what that looks like are
they aware of the consolidation of zoning can't they just wait six months
and do what they want are they aware I mean they are but we still had we had
part of that not really that discussion last night we were looking to have it at
the next DC RC as to when a request for again this will be a policy decision
that will have to be made as we get through the DDC update and adoption of
the map but when there is a rezoning request denied should we then just
automatically up up zone them if they were just denied less than less than a
month and so that was something that that we had brought up didn't get into
that discussion but I I'm sure it will be part of a discussion at the next DC RC
and ultimately as we as we move it through adoption great thanks for the
update because your Alice thank you first Richard thank you for updating us
on council I love that so let's keep that going yeah I think that's a great
idea yeah because sometimes you know we can't always watch the meetings or we
don't have time to go back and watch the video so yeah thank you for that I guess
with regard I don't know if this is a matrix item probably not but maybe just
more food for thought for staff so just like when we saw Ryan Rhodes a neglect
on that road and Hickory Creek and and everything that's that going on there
with development this same area that we discussed tonight isn't exactly that same
maybe worse because there's so much density there we have had so much
activity with regard to zoning changes and SUPs and development going on at all
that intersection that high density and nothing is being done with those roads
and it's not even on the city's plan anywhere right now so I know with Ryan
somehow you got that kind of moving I think we kind of need that to happen
here as well yeah and we had a we have a sort of a bi-weekly meeting with with
with the city manager and one of things he wanted to make sure we start
including in our reports is since traffic really both both here and at
City Council is always the biggest item point of discussion is to start to
include just just an it you know a section on planned traffic improvements
and and just to have that as part of that as part of that decision tree if you
will and so as we start to move forward with with more of these requests we'll
start to start to include that I can tell you for that for the Ryan Road
Hickory Creek area that that study that feasibility study has started in fact we
met on Monday morning with the consultant team to really just look at
land use in the area and and and sort of projected growth to really look at sort
of the 2040 potential build out to ensure that that really that planning
is truly being done in conjunction with those traffic improvements improving
that the network overall but yes we'll we'll include that so I have a couple
things one Margie stole my things but the update from council fantastic thank
you that's really helpful because I'm always not always but I'm sometimes
curious with whatever happened to the other thing is is whoever added the
addresses to the feedback notices on our map was really helpful to know a lot of
these individuals who spoke we already had their addresses and so it's easy to
see exactly where they were identify the map so I appreciate that extra efforts
where it's possible I'm sure some maps will get really cluttered but it worked
tonight and I appreciate that the only thing that I wanted to bring up for the
matrix or to talk about is carrying on the torch or Chairman strange is there
any momentum on looking at the economics of a project when it comes to us and
there's an article in the paper about our sales tax dollars decreasing and so I
think it's relevant to understand the actual impact of the city of a
development coming in whether it's mixed-use potential sales tax revenue or
household property tax revenue so I'd love to continue that pushing the
conversation to see when we're looking at projects the actual economics or
projected economics that have to the city I think would help complete as we
look at traffic and we're looking at like a complete picture of what our
city's doing I think that would be helpful yeah in fact that that's another
at right right now we were looking at including that with with rezoning since
it really is requesting more than what's what's permitted by right what we have
we have one being done now for a project that's actually for a voluntary
annexation and so as part of what they submitted we had asked that that they
they provide us with a a sort of benefit cost benefit or economic analysis so we
can really start to understand what it would cost to serve if you will that
really came out at a council meeting both it was a charge from from the from
the city manager as well as in council brought that up if you remember the
rezoning and SUP for the mobile home community off of off of McKinney and so
those are those are things we're starting to work back in included and
just coming up with it with those criteria I know finance has been
working on sort of a model just trying to plug those numbers in so we can just
better inform everyone so that that will be coming in also in the near future
great fantastic anyone else want to add anything to the matrix or have any
talking points all right with that so you know further discussion I'll close
the meeting at 759