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 Good afternoon and welcome to the work session for the planning and zoning

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 Commission. We'll convene the meeting at 4.04 on March 20th 2019. The first order

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 of business is to receive a report and hold a discussion about the Denton

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 Development Code update and draft zoning map. Is this Ron today? Scott? I saw

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 Scott on his way so he might be here in a few minutes. Sounds good. I'll turn

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 over to you Ron. Okay, all right. Chair members of the Commission, members of

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 staff, this is the last of the series of work sessions that we are scheduled to

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 have on the DDC update. Both the code as well as the zoning map. What we're going

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 to be discussing today, well let me let me step back a little bit. What we

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 discussed at the last work session was subchapter four and five. We briefly

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 introduced subchapter six which is the development standards. That will be what

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 are we what we are going to focus today will be subchapter six, seven and eight.

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 I've invited members of the technical staff, senior staff members with the

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 city. They have played an important role in this particular subchapter, subchapter

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 six because it deals with all of the different development requirements that

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 affect the city. Those that are listed here are those sections that pertain to

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 subchapter six as you can see here from land disturbing activities to ESA's to

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 water, wastewater, drainage, landscaping, parking, solid waste. So I know you guys

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 have a lot of questions and they are here to help answer those questions

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 because I won't pretend to know all of it or any of it. So they're here. We also

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 have present our outside council, Brendan McDonald here. If you have any

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 legal matters I'm sure Jerry can handle it but Brenda is also available if you

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 need her assistance. So with that I'm gonna go through some of the significant

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 changes unless you have questions. If you do then we can address those. Again we

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 have the staff that are that helped drafted the section or the subchapters

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 and those sections that we just saw. So really open to the Commission. This is a

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 work session. It's really to get your input. I want to set the stage of what's

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 receive input, and hopefully we can get a draft that we all can buy into. So any

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 questions with initial questions? Commissioner Beck. Thank you Chair. I sent staff a load of stuff. So we want to go down? Yes so just for the

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 comments in advance. I believe there were Monday and then another set

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 yesterday. Those were forwarded to the staff that are present today. In fact

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 there was some responses and I just didn't have any time to forward that to

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 the Commission as a whole. Again we got them on Tuesday but anyways the fact is

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 we have some comments that Larry provided. We can go through that if you

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 like. That's to the purview of the Commission. Okay. Yeah Commissioner Beck.

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 Thank you. Alright well let's start on page 307 under 6.3.2

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 applicability. B5. It says stockpiling and handling of earth material

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 state. I drew a blank on that. I was hoping maybe we get a clearer meaning of

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 what this is. Larry repeat one more time the section. Alright it's 6.2 6.3.2

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 applicability and it'd be B5 which is on actually yeah it's on 307. It says stock

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 piling and handling of earth material. It's dealing with exemptions. Okay. It says stock piling and

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 operations licensed under the state. That just came out of nowhere. It seemed like it

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 wasn't even relevant to what everything else is. Sure. Can you clarify that? I'd like to invite Ms. Debra

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 Villar to the podium to answer that question. Good evening Commissioner. The distinction between land

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 are more long-term. Those are permanent activities and those are covered by a

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 term duration and that's why they are regulated. Okay. So they're exempted then?

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 They're exempt from the TXR 150,000 but they're subject to the TXR 50,000. So

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 they're regulated. It's just different permits. Okay. Page 308 6.3.5 general

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 standards B. The site operator owner shall provide a copy of the sign notice of

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 intent from the TCEQ for all sites that are for all sites that are larger than

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 development that is larger than five acres. And my question was the same part. Less than

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 development. Okay. And PD could be one of them. Okay. Because PDs are usually larger

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 than five acres. Correct. Okay. And that's why I was. All right. Page 309.

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 original owner? They're supposed to keep us abreast of all those changes in of

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 The final draft? The final draft, yes. Okay. Page 314. 6.4.7(a)(3). Since gas

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 drag it out here. Okay. Thank you. All right. Page 317. Under the

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 insert some examples. Typically you don't want to do that in the code of ordinances. The purpose of this is to be brought and to allow for the

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 odds with the point that you're making it supplements the point okay well I

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 guess I'm assuming it's the preservation is going to happen so now once the

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 preservation is happening okay now let's do take it one step further and let's

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 manage it yes please

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 I would like to bring to your attention item number four the item right behind

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 that talks about enhancement of restoration projects as approved by the

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 director of environmental services is a permitted activity so in those cases

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 where the property owner is interested in actually improving the habit that and

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 doing some sort of restoration work either by mowing the grasses or by

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 clipping the treatment at the canopy to allow the penetration of light into the

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 forested area all those are permitted activities right now so nothing prevents

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 somebody for managing for the improvement of the habitat because that

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 is deemed as a permitted activity so would they just have to get a permit

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 from in order to do it probably we don't have a permit process per se they just

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 have to contact us and we will you know lead them through the process they would

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 probably have to submit a some sort of description of the type of work that

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 will be done for what purposes and so on and if that is conducive to the

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 restoration enhancement the health of the habitat we will approve it and they'd

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 have to demonstrate if I may to that demonstrate that they are a certified

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 member of the International Society of correct if they're going to trim the

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 canopy yes okay just for trimming yes okay Mr. back back to you thank you

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 page 320 footnote 827 related to on-site detention facility states city staff is

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 considering if detention facility should be publicly dedicated or whether all

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 should be privately maintained future revisions this section may be included

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 pending these discussions would cause and my question is would cause to be

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 prohibited if this city assume its responsibility on all just two facets to

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 that and that's where it is that it speaks city staffs considering if

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 detention facility should be publicly dedicated so there may be private and

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 there may be public and we're working through that right now as to that

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 determination okay thanks continuing page 324 floodways j4 says developments

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 discharging stormwater runoff into a floodway shall provide supplemental

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 vegetation on-site and off-site areas and public easements when necessary to

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 preserve or restore any disruption to the natural site and the footnote for

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 this 850 down at the bottom ask how does this relate to other parts of the code

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 where vegetation is prohibited in drainage areas should we not remove

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 blanket should we not remove blanket prohibitions on vegetation in these

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 areas and I'm thinking perhaps if if it's not land disruptive to the natural

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 flow is that and and again I think that engineering is working through those

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 components there's some conversations that are taking place on types of

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 drainage okay so and I think between engineering and environmental services

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 that that conversation we'll get some feedback on that later right okay thank

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 you anybody else want to jump in any time they want to just go right again

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 yours yours okay page 332 6.6 dot 7g easement requirements

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 6.6 dot 7 g easement requirements says if utility inspection or repair or

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 reconstruction is necessary any pavement structure or improvement damage within a

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 dedicated utility utility easement shall not be the responsibility of the city

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 for any repairs but shall be the sole responsibility of the owner and I know

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 with it and I guess I'm asking with the exception of what's listed in below j

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 but it says the following under typically allowed to be installed within

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 public utility water sewer easements and I'm sorry Commissioner back what is your

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 question on that okay well it's stating that if utility inspection repair

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 reconstruction is necessary any payment structure improvement damage within

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 dedicated utility it shall not be the responsibility of the city for any

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 repairs but shall be the sole responsibility of the owner but then

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 down here on j 1 2 & 3 it talks about drive approaches and parking lots if

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 they come in and damage somebody's driveway it's up to the owner to repair

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 the driveway no I think it's saying two different things one is is that it's

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 allowed to be installed within that gives the authority to install something

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 within this other is stating if in fact there is it's not the responsibility of

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 the city for the repairs but the person owns the property even though the city

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 not it's not suggesting that if this city necessarily okay it that reads like

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 it does so to me I guess

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 good afternoon Frank Pugsley water utilities director and to answer your

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 question directly yes if there's a driveway or landscaping grass in one of

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 our easements and we damage it by utility installation or repair then we

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 do repair those items okay as a routine practice and I guess what I was yeah I

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 think the answer to question yes this is going to be like in a residential

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 neighborhood correct okay okay right the next ones for me to so I'm gonna hang

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 out okay on page no that may be all for you 339 330 okay you got it okay under

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 private water systems by by allowing this to occur under the specified

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 conditions how does this address the issue of wastewater will they be tied

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 into wastewater treatment systems addressed on page 342 item number six so

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 what this is intended to cover for private water systems and private

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 wastewater treatment systems are generally for developments that may be

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 far out in the ETJ where we don't have utility service and it's cost-prohibitive

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 for those developments to make those improvements but there are cases where

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 we may have water utilities in the vicinity but not wastewater or vice

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 versa so there may be a system on a private water well system it's also on

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 public Denton sewer and there may be a situation where they're on city of

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 Denton wastewater service and have well the other way around they may be on

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 private wastewater treatment and have city of Denton water supplied so it

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 could be an either or or both okay does that does that answer that did I answer

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 that appropriately or enough for that okay I want to make sure I covered it

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 thank you I appreciate you having in front of you and ready to answer me on

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 page 346 6.6 point 17 a dot three under plans and specifications 6.6 6.6 point

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 17 6.6 17 begins on 343 all right under plans and specifications that is not

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 even there 16.6 point 17 is plans and specifications okay so a three

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 landscaping screen buffering and tree standards for electric station

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 substations and switch stations shall be pursuant section 6.6 okay and I think

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 there was just an error there should that be shall be pursuant to 16 point 13

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 points it because there is no six point 12 six and I would just and I think some

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 of this is subject to change again when we get into those nope it's a great

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 yep appreciate that on page 349 B it mentions

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 grass swells this may get answered in the downloaded by the grasses in her

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 landscape plant list in the site design for type criteria manual mainly lower

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 maintenance grasses in other words if they're requiring grass swells are we

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 requiring grasses that are low water maintenance

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 Debra do you have an answer to that by chance I know it references I swim and I

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 don't know if I swim has a specific type I swim doesn't have a specific list of

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 plans but I would like to bring to your attention that the city of them have a

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 native plant list that include grasses and those are the ones that we recommend

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 to be to be used as long as they can tolerate some inundation because as

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 again they will be in that in contact with water for some period of time so

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 when somebody provide a landscape plan one of the things that we look into it

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 is are they suitable for the functions that they're being proposed they do have

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 to water it for a period of time and then like after two or three years it's

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 supposed to take on its own well you're talking about the establishment part and

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 it goes back especially if there are trees or something like that where

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 they're offering as a landscape they those are subject to replacement if

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 those vegetative materials they don't do well so when we look into any stone

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 water controls we look into how suitable that plan is to withstand the amount of

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 water that they would be dealing with and anything that is outside the stone

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 water controls we have the native plan list for the city of Denton native to

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 the Denton County specific to that in County so they can always use that type

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 of that list for as a resource okay thanks

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 okay page 352 under permits enforcement routes item I three and if I make

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 Commissioner Beck this is in that landscape screening buffering fences

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 we're probably going to be in that same place just as an FYI because I think

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 this is in that same piece is it not okay what she was talking about if they

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 die within a certain period of time no the what Scott was saying is that the

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 ordinance that was passed yesterday okay unless you have a question we can answer

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 we can answer that but if we're thinking of changing anything it would have to

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 you be later okay all right and item J under the same page at the bottom there

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 it states in instances where easements encourage and again this is just a

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 correction in instances where easements encumbrances physical traits or life

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 safety requirements limit the ability to plant the required trees needed to meet

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 the minimum tree canopy coverage and applicants may pay into the tree fund

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 as an alternative and I was wondering if we couldn't reword that shall pay into

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 the tree no all right we'll be back right back in the same place okay we've

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 just passed that and I will also say probably the next couple of items page

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 358 355 358 and I think maybe we can jump to 360 because all of those are

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 parking landscape and trees so okay I'll just also point out that the word shall

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 is inconsistent with the concept of it being an alternative you know shall is

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 generally regarded as mandatory as you have no other option whereas alternative

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 is indicated that there is another option was there a heading quote-unquote

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 alternative there that we were dealing with in the in the in the current the

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 version that was adopted last night that section was actually moved and so there

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 is a section titled alternative relief for landscape tree canopy and buffer

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 requirements and there's two choices you can either go through an alternative

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 landscape plan or you can do this the payment in lieu okay under these

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 circumstances okay and then page 360 I misspoke because the signage for the

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 tree removal is not going to be there so that's it that's a no I was talking

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 with Richard about this earlier okay a little concerned about that I was

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 wondering if part of that couldn't be reconsidered is that locked in now it's

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 we've just passed an ordinance through City Council and and that piece has been

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 in our code for years we've never we've never enforced it but but again we just

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 passed that ordinance so we're not gonna recommend any changes to the landscape

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 section until we get the entirety of the code out there and and I think that it

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 was quite interactive with council last night to the point of making any changes

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 that that we're gonna pretty much stick to that because I think that's where

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 council is we certainly will take this in will capture the comment and as we go

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 through the process of evaluating this we can take it into consideration okay my

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 concern was here there's going to be a lot of areas probably where okay the

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 signage it's not there it's not gonna be that big a deal we're definitely gonna

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 run into areas where there are protected trees it should be protected if they're

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 going to be taken down and mitigating there's going to be neighborhoods where

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 they'll be up in arms if they weren't notified and didn't have a chance to

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 protest and I understand the developers don't want to do no it really came from

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 actually our one of our council members to the point that putting a sign up

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 gives the neighbors a false sense that they have a say and whether those trees

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 could be removed or not so the sign is just misleading it's telling someone

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 that that someone is going to try to go through what our legal process is to do

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 that and the neighbors don't really necessarily have a say as to whether the

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 trees stay or removed so that was the catalyst for it and I'm happy to speak

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 to you offline on it okay all right page 361 and 362 there's two items here item

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 D and item E P Larry those those are also in the landscape looking at the

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 list that you provided staff the next one that's not in under landscaping

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 would be page 373 where you're talking about access and circulation okay page

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 373 6.8.3 a six access and circulation

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 traffic calming measures where future cut-through traffic is likely is this a

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 recommendation or is it going to be required the plan is required and this

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 is one of the elements that would be included within the plan okay so calming

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 devices street calming devices would be where future cut-through traffic is

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 likely so it's again is a required part of the plan if in fact it would be

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 applicable okay okay page three seven five six point eight point three point a

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 six yep sorry page three seventy five six point eight point six C to a as

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 part of the city's effort to encourage safety can we require street signs and

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 it's just a suggestion when we're building a new development to educate the

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 public because I mean there's there's a lot of people out there that you know how

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 come there's so many bikes on the streets they shouldn't be allowed to we

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 know that it should be I was just something you to consider okay let me

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 throw it out there and then we'll move on if we could put share the road signs

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 you know the share road signs with the bike on it in a new development it's on

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 a arterial collector's street Larry or Commissioner Beck the only way that can

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 happen would be as part of a bike plan where it's identified under bike

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 planning and if it is implemented and constructed to fit a bike or didn't be

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 identified then a sign will be and painted markings will be included but it

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 can't be where it is requested it has to be okay consistent with the bike plan

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 it was I was just throwing that out there anyways thanks all right this one was a little confusing for me on page 376 377 6.8.7

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 6.8.7 a for if the street is open when proposed to serve as a divided arterial

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 street and the development is required to install half of the arterial street

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 then the curb and gutter shall be provided on both sides of the street so

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 as to provide the curve for the future meeting of the arterial street okay that

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 sounds to me like we're gonna build half the street with the curb and gutter on

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 one side and then there's gonna be what dirt there but there's gonna be a curb

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 and gutter am I reading am I misreading that no it would it would be a complete

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 half of the street so where it is that it's a divided and divided arterial

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 right so they would build half of the street so if it was going to be a four

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 lane two lanes each side of a divided they would be building potentially the

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 two lanes on one half of that street and just so happens the pre tam is here and

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 he would be happy to address let's not pull him into something he's gonna be

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 hit with that's all right I was asking yeah there's pastry said 76 77 6.8 point

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 seven point a for the way it's worded there says is the street is ultimately

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 proposed to serve as a divided arterial street and the development is required

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 to install half of the arterial street and the curb and gutter shall provide it

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 on both sides of the street so as to provide the curve for the future meaning

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 of the arterial street and it the way what went through my mind is we're gonna

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 build one half of the curb and gutter on one side but we're not gonna build the

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 other half street but we're gonna put the curb and gutter over there is that

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 no so so the way it read this pre temptation of traffic in here for the

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 city the way it is set up at the other side of the curb and gutter that's away

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 from the development is the curb for the median so that would be the median in in

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 the middle okay and the rest of it will be on the other do we need change the

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 wording so stupid people like me can pick no I'm gonna pause real fast

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 Christian Sanchez had a question and let him jump in under a street connect

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 connectivity 374 that's one of being one of my concerns is on see number two it

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 says street systems for each development shall connect with existing and

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 proposed and just and anticipated streets and that's one one of the things

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 we did back in a couple with meetings ago though I remember there was an area

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 back on Ryan and there was an anticipated street that had already been

433
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:05,760
 identified that this was going to go through and and we dropped that and my

434
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,400
 question is are we how important is that quest to me it's very important that we

435
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:15,440
 continue to look at connectivity between the neighborhoods because we build we

436
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,560
 build little enclaves you know the developer comes in puts a little

437
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,720
 enclave and then nobody wants the neighbors but we don't want these people

438
00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:27,160
 to come through our neighborhood you know and we hear that time and time again

439
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:32,280
 and I'd like to just make a comment on that is that we need to start looking

440
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,120
 that people need to go through other neighborhoods instead of just when

441
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,560
 people come up to us and say hey we don't want them to come this we don't

442
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,400
 want that neighborhood people could start coming through us it's going to

443
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,400
 increase the neighborhood traffic and I guess I just want to make a comment on

444
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:51,640
 that because that was one thing that we had a couple of weeks a couple of

445
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:56,800
 meetings back is it was planned and just because the people didn't want it all of

446
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,240
 a sudden we decided okay we're not going to do this we'll just they'll have to go

447
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:03,840
 get back on Ryan and come back to the next neighborhood rather than coming

448
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:09,000
 through there so I guess Mike it's just a comment is if this is what we're saying

449
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:16,240
 we need to look at this more serious and not just go by what people want don't

450
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:21,340
 come into our neighborhood and look at that we need to connect the city all the

451
00:46:21,340 --> 00:46:26,160
 streets so that people look at the city as not this is my little enclave but

452
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:31,200
 rather this is our city and I think I see that a lot in a lot of meetings that

453
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,640
 we have don't come into my neighborhood but it's not your neighborhood it's our

454
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:39,440
 city rather than correct so there are a couple things here one of the important

455
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,840
 ones is definitely we will look at collector connections through the

456
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,240
 neighborhoods and subdivisions so we want the collectors to collect all the

457
00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:51,360
 traffic from different subdivisions and they will across subdivisions to connect

458
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,440
 to the arterial so yes we're looking at collectors but as well as we're looking

459
00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:00,660
 at residential streets that make sense where to connect and there are several

460
00:47:00,660 --> 00:47:05,360
 new developments that we're looking at is we're asking asking the developer to

461
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:10,640
 have those step outs and connections that way it becomes a cohesive network and it

462
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:16,040
 makes sure that our circulation system is planned to channel that traffic to

463
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,280
 the appropriate street system so right we're looking at them on a case-by-case

464
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:26,480
 basis but definitely want the connections to be made and one more you

465
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:31,400
 know it's under well I didn't find it I was wondering we didn't address on this

466
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,920
 anything about roundabouts are we gonna even address anything like that I think

467
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:41,160
 it's very important I mean this is my opinion it's something that you know we

468
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,760
 keep talking about traffic how you know we keep getting all these you know

469
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,480
 traffic keeps getting worse but then we had somebody here last week talk about

470
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,940
 how roundabouts actually help traffic move traffic yet we don't talk about it

471
00:47:52,940 --> 00:47:59,560
 we want to keep doing red lights green lights you know so I'm getting some

472
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:05,760
 different so as far as roundabouts we are moving into a realm of there will be

473
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:12,120
 an intersection analysis to determine it what type of control is necessary it

474
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:20,120
 could start from stop signs to go into signals so every arterial every collector

475
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:24,840
 intersection will be reviewed to see if it's appropriate for a roundabout and

476
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,800
 that becomes part of our toolbox or when we're talking to developers as well as

477
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,800
 when we're looking at our own capital projects so should that be addressed

478
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,400
 here we can definitely add something to that effect pretty time can you just

479
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:42,720
 clarify is roundabouts covered in the transportation criteria manual it is

480
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:47,000
 part it is covered as mentioned is described how in the transportation

481
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:52,680
 criteria manual okay I guess I didn't see well the way we really set this up is

482
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:57,160
 to is to make the mandatory standards that are never going to change in here

483
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:02,440
 and address the design standards in the criteria okay okay so you know staff

484
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:07,920
 never knows when you know like for example you were talking about the

485
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:13,920
 situation with connectivity or what have you obviously the City Council believed

486
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,800
 that it was important to not provide connectivity there but you watch your

487
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:23,200
 code to be written in such a way that it would it would allow for either option

488
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:30,760
 address that as a matter of design to bring forward and still provide the

489
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:38,720
 option for it to go either way I think Jerry makes a good point just as a

490
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:44,640
 reminder that that the code the code is one part of what we use so as our

491
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:51,040
 standards we have water wastewater criteria manuals you know the

492
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:56,720
 transportation any number of other complementary guides that go along with

493
00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:02,720
 this and and I do want to point out as some of our standards and requirements

494
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:08,640
 keep on changing the criteria manuals are updated on an annual basis so and

495
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:13,840
 that's much more relative to what's happening around us as we move forward

496
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:18,320
 with some of the education pieces and people become more aware subdivisions or

497
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:23,080
 developers come in with more plans for roundabouts then we will continue to

498
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:27,480
 update that component but this is pretty much as Jerry pointed out this is

499
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,840
 overall big picture applies to everyone and then the criteria specific that we

500
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:40,680
 can look into per as developments come in you get a commissioner

501
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:57,120
 Mr. back here pretend stay with us on this next one here on page 382 h 6.8

502
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:03,120
 point 9 h 1 says driveway access to single and it's talking about collector

503
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:07,800
 streets access to collector streets driveway access to single-family detached

504
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:16,760
 or duplex duplex building units is not permitted is that right for yes for

505
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,640
 collector streets collectors are typically where all the residential

506
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:27,440
 streets coming in feed so it's more of a step up from residential use where you

507
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,120
 do not want the primary function of that is to just channelize traffic out of the

508
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:35,400
 neighborhood it's not for people to get out of their houses the residential

509
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,880
 streets are defined or classified for people to get out of their driveways but

510
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,880
 collectors are where some of these residential streets meet and that's a

511
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,560
 bigger road to connect to an arterial so that's the way that functional

512
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:55,400
 classification is set do we have situations where homes are on collector

513
00:51:55,400 --> 00:52:00,240
 streets now and yes well how about like Teasley where it goes alongside South

514
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:05,120
 Lakes Park you don't have any of those homes that are alongside Teasley exiting

515
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:10,360
 their driveways directly on to Teasley you have them going on to some

516
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:14,240
 neighborhood streets and then follow the neighborhood streets and then get on to

517
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:18,920
 Teasley from that neighborhood street but on Hobson there's single-family homes

518
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:23,280
 that right they are attached to a collector street okay Hobson's a

519
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:28,440
 collector street right right okay how does that work retroactively I mean that

520
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:32,840
 is what it is yes when we go back and when Hobson will be looked at for

521
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:40,560
 widening improvement CIB project we will find ways to address that situation

522
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:51,120
 okay thanks let me read this one just to make sure okay this is one that seems

523
00:52:51,120 --> 00:53:09,960
 redundant to me on page 391 just for clarity sake 391 6.9 6.9.2 a - what

524
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:17,920
 distinguishes little a III the square footage of non-residential building is

525
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:26,200
 expanded or enlarged by more than 50% from BII the square footage of

526
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:31,960
 non-residential building is expanded or large by between 10 to 15 percent what

527
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,720
 you're almost saying the same thing but you're throwing in a little exception

528
00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:45,640
 there so what am I missing here sorry Commissioner back to a refers to the

529
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:54,280
 entire site when it exceeds 50 percent by more than 50 percent where it's

530
00:53:54,280 --> 00:54:06,480
 between 10 and 15 it is just applied to the area that is being expanded okay so

531
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:13,320
 again the requirement for parking applies to new primary structure that is

532
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,880
 constructed an existing primary structure that is relocated on a lot so

533
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:22,520
 that's when parking would be requirement be required however expansion and

534
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:27,000
 enlargement is what we're referring to right in any or all expansion or

535
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:34,960
 enlargement shall be considered if they fall under the following categories if

536
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:40,880
 there is a need for expansion of a property the entire site shall comply

537
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:47,680
 with this section the parking requirements when now I'm gonna go to a

538
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:52,160
 three the square footage of the non-residential building is expanded by

539
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:56,520
 more than 50% so if you expand your building by more than 50% you're gonna

540
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:00,200
 have to comply with the parking requirements for the entire site okay

541
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:06,560
 if it's between 10 and 50 10 and 50% it would only just apply to that the

542
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:11,360
 portion of the site being expanded and or improved shall comply with the parking

543
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:19,640
 requirements okay and it's cumulative over two year period to avoid

544
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:24,720
 incremental changes so if you do 25 percent one year and you think okay I'm

545
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:29,400
 gonna get it another 25 percent or 30 the next year it would then bring it up

546
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:36,680
 so we're still good okay still require it all right

547
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:53,440
 hang on a second okay page three I did something wrong

548
00:55:53,440 --> 00:56:02,320
 393 yeah but I meant six and 83 c5 I think yeah so it's actually at the top

549
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:12,520
 of 393 right on the top of page 393 calculations and I'm not sure I

550
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,960
 understand why structured parking underground parking and parking within

551
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:22,640
 above or beneath the building it serves are not counted towards the maximum

552
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:35,120
 parking requirement the the underground and the parking above a building means

553
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,600
 that they're not really taking up any land area because the building already

554
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,480
 is there so that would make sense that it wouldn't count towards the parking

555
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,120
 maximum again we have anything outside the footprint of the building that's

556
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,780
 what you're talking right and then the question I'm pausing is the structured

557
00:56:50,780 --> 00:56:54,960
 parking that is obviously if that's not part of a building right that takes up

558
00:56:54,960 --> 00:57:04,680
 area and why won't we count then and that's a good okay okay so if the

559
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:09,240
 structure parking is below or above and that thing that's what just Scott just

560
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:12,880
 clarified okay again if it doesn't if it if it's within the building footprint we

561
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:17,760
 will not count it because it's already taken up by that okay and just as we

562
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:23,600
 talked about that we have a minimum and we have a maximum and one of that

563
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:28,400
 significant changes is that we're in we're allowing a hundred and twenty five

564
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:33,720
 percent I guess another twenty five percent to be the maximum so you can you

565
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:38,080
 can provide the minimum if you want to exceed that by twenty five percent you

566
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,360
 can right so it's it's different from what we currently have where it's the

567
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:49,640
 men in the max is the required parking oh we still have and then you could have

568
00:57:49,640 --> 00:58:08,160
 another 500 underground okay page 394 table 698 required all-street parking as

569
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:13,960
 it refers to four spaces for duplexes is this four spaces for each duplex

570
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:19,400
 dwelling unit or two for each to give the entire duplex dwelling unit four

571
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,840
 spaces

572
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:34,280
 there's a dwelling unit is the duplex duplex is to you is that two dwelling

573
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:39,840
 units mm-hmm okay so one dwelling unit half of that duplex in other words can

574
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,760
 have four spaces

575
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:53,760
 we were just going through because I'm looking at the public draft on the

576
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:58,960
 initial adoption draft some some things have already been updated we don't have

577
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:04,160
 the initial adoption draft out there and that is that is this draft that was

578
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:09,640
 corrected that's what you have the public draft is out there just yeah it's

579
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:21,640
 this version with some corrections with some I'm sorry what was it so yeah the

580
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:26,560
 table it says duplexes that can have four spaces per dwelling unit not

581
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:33,320
 including ten apart so are we talking about a total a total okay so each half

582
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:37,120
 of the duplex and can have up to four just like a house correct there was the

583
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:41,600
 there's a provision and I think it carried forward where if it's in a in an

584
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:48,240
 infill area and and primary that the area with the surrounding area primarily

585
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:52,600
 has two then you're able to you're able to reduce that okay and we're talking

586
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:59,440
 about all street parking here correct okay okay

587
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:09,000
 okay so on the same table on page 395 does the minimum number of parking

588
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,200
 spaces for elderly housing take into consideration staff parking could not

589
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:20,240
 you know I don't see a lot of elderly housing units where each resident is

590
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:24,480
 gonna have a car so it's are they taking staff parking into consideration when

591
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,160
 they create that figure

592
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:37,840
 especially retirement well I'm honestly rest homes yes nursing and convalescent

593
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:46,280
 homes I wouldn't think each resident would have a car so and regardless of

594
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,680
 that I guess what I'm asking is was staff obviously you're gonna have

595
01:00:49,680 --> 01:01:01,520
 probably more staff vehicles then you're gonna have resident vehicles so when

596
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:05,240
 okay on the elderly housing especially when we're talking about rest homes and

597
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:09,000
 nursing convalescent home we're probably talking about the people are gonna have

598
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:14,000
 cars they're not necessarily gonna be the residents I'm thinking so when this

599
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:24,400
 figure what is it three per patient beds did we count in staff parking I believe

600
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:29,920
 it is in that it's included in that number I don't yeah

601
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:42,320
 commissioner back by if I can try to answer that question sure it's really

602
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:47,040
 it's a carryover from our current code as you can see where the second column

603
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:54,000
 or the third column it carries over it's one space per three bedrooms the

604
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:59,000
 question is does account account for employee my understanding that it does

605
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:15,760
 because of the amount and what use it is that's all thank you of course thanks

606
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:19,240
 for those questions commissioner is there other questions from the

607
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:23,520
 Commission and then Ron if you have some over you said you had some like

608
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:32,160
 highlight yes yes if there's no other questions we can kind of go over some of

609
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:36,200
 the significant changes it's not going to be a third page turn that is it's

610
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:43,080
 just gonna be a really high level again I just want to express that we have some

611
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:50,360
 staff members here that represent saw ways D me fire probably missing a few

612
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:55,200
 people here so again here's an opportunity if you have any questions for

613
01:02:55,200 --> 01:03:00,800
 them I encourage that however there is none I can certainly could proceed with

614
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:15,200
 those significant changes and that's the other questions so again what we're

615
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:20,800
 talking about today is subchapters six seven and eight some of the significant

616
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:25,800
 changes is again we consolidated all of the sub chapters as you all know we've

617
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:31,160
 got 24 sub chapters currently and we've so we've narrowed down to eight and so

618
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:37,320
 sub chapter six contains the majority of them and this is why it's such an

619
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:43,000
 important sub chapter to me one of the other things that we looked at is try to

620
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:49,000
 be more flexible through provisions of options and menu based standards and you

621
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:55,400
 saw that as part of the landscape ordinance there are points in buffer sorry

622
01:03:55,400 --> 01:04:00,720
 landscaping and buffer points associated with that another important change or

623
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:05,440
 update we want to make sure that we address compatibility we've we've

624
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:11,720
 increased that as far as standards a lot of procedures that you normally saw or

625
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:19,960
 see in the sub chapters existing have been relocated to chapter 2 but also

626
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:27,440
 included in the transportation criteria manual that Debra mentioned pretem as

627
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:33,520
 referenced we are also working on a site plan criteria manual as well so we want

628
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:39,560
 to make sure that what's in the code is requirements while the criteria manuals

629
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:47,320
 are more design standards per se which can be amended a lot easier than than if

630
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:50,960
 we were to do a full-blown code amendment infill and redevelopment

631
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:56,360
 standards those are something that we heard a lot from the community we hear a

632
01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:02,320
 lot from development but also from the general public as well so we've added

633
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:08,400
 more we've actually removed the infill special purpose district it no longer

634
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:14,040
 exists so we have embedded a lot of those standards in the stamp the site

635
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:18,480
 design standards so that again anyone that wants to develop within an infill

636
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:26,720
 redevelop property they are more able to let me see here updated expansion

637
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:30,760
 applicability table I know that when Clarion was here they talked about that

638
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,360
 a little bit so that's not going to go away we have a different version of that

639
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:40,760
 and that is actually included in the draft so that is going to be continued

640
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:44,040
 conservation and landscape ordinance that we already talked about that that

641
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:49,040
 was adopted last night there was an effective I'm sorry an adoption date of

642
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:54,400
 last night and an effective date of October 1st so I don't know if you have

643
01:05:54,400 --> 01:06:01,000
 any questions either Richard or Haley can can clarify or maybe Scott what does

644
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:07,280
 that mean there's an applicant get to use the current code and then choose to

645
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:12,360
 apply use the other code that's that's something that I believe that was the

646
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:19,200
 intent is to have that flexibility so is that clear as far as how that is going

647
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:30,920
 to proceed we're looking at that we talked about buffer standards we have

648
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:36,240
 again as part of the landscape and conservation code a development impact

649
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:41,320
 area I know Richard had talked about that in his presentation so if you all

650
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:46,760
 have any questions please ask but I think that was covered well where we're

651
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:52,240
 also looking at how we address walls and fences I know with the DC RC we talked

652
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:56,480
 with that in length I think it was two and a half days is what was referred to

653
01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:02,600
 as the discussion on fences so we've spent a lot of time on that we

654
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:06,360
 incorporated the parking requirements that was approved back in May of last

655
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:12,120
 year and again what I mentioned earlier regarding the maximum it's no longer

656
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:16,600
 your min and your max is the same rather if you meet the minimum you're good if

657
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:22,880
 you choose to extend that and want more parking we're allowing that 25% above

658
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:28,440
 and I think that would help in when we when we see again for example ADP's

659
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:33,080
 right we won't get those because there's the flexibility built in here to allow

660
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:37,720
 that it's not saying that they will go there but at least they have the option

661
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:42,600
 and that's the theme that works we're trying to provide here is options and

662
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:48,560
 flexibility but still meeting the standards that we really want to have

663
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:58,520
 let's see here as far as the subdivision standards I'm gonna go on to sub chapter

664
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:05,240
 7 if nobody else has any questions on sub chapter 6 again sub chapter 6 has

665
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:10,740
 lighting and has solid waste so just want to make sure that you know this is

666
01:08:10,740 --> 01:08:14,840
 the opportunity if you have any questions on those standards we're able

667
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:26,000
 to answer those today if not we'll move on to subdivision okay there's no

668
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:33,040
 questions on 6 we're gonna move on to 7 let's go for it okay so sub chapter 7 is

669
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:38,760
 your subdivision regulation standards your platting what's when a plat is

670
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:45,360
 required what the design requirements and subdivision improvements are

671
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:51,120
 required as part of that platting so a lot of again what we're trying to do is

672
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:56,520
 trying to streamline or clean up and clear up some of the requirements we

673
01:08:56,520 --> 01:09:00,280
 relocate a lot of the administrative administration and procedure section to

674
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:05,400
 chapter 2 sub chapter 2 a lot of the information again that's in there today

675
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:11,880
 is either going into a criteria manual or referenced as part of the code of

676
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:20,100
 ordinances the use or the applicability within the ETJ that has been enhanced a

677
01:09:20,100 --> 01:09:28,200
 couple of new options for developers or maybe more refined options that is is

678
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:36,920
 gated community cluster development and autocorps so I think everybody knows

679
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:41,960
 what gated communities are we've got a couple examples that we have in the city

680
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:46,200
 cluster development does anybody have any question that cluster development the

681
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:54,760
 concept essentially you have a minimum lot size for each lot in a in a zoning

682
01:09:54,760 --> 01:10:01,720
 district if you want to cluster the development to preserve some open space

683
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:09,560
 you're able to and actually reduce your lot minimum to accomplish that so for

684
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:19,760
 example nr3 the minimum let's use nr2 for example nr2 has a minimum lot area

685
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:27,140
 of 16,000 if you want to consolidate or cluster that development and have

686
01:10:27,140 --> 01:10:32,480
 smaller watch you can and the option there is to go as low as I believe is

687
01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:38,220
 2,500 which is is a fairly low I mean square footage however by doing that

688
01:10:38,220 --> 01:10:44,240
 you're saying you're gonna preserve or conserve the other area within that

689
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:50,600
 development for open space so that's a positive portion of cluster development

690
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:56,440
 and I believe there is an exhibit that was shown by Clarion and certainly is

691
01:10:56,440 --> 01:10:59,840
 further explained in the code so I just want to make sure that we understand

692
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:03,920
 what cluster development and that's one of I think the goals of the den plan

693
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:11,360
 2030 is to offer that so that we can reserve and preserve conserve some of

694
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:16,120
 the more rural areas that are within the periphery of the city Ron I have a

695
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:21,600
 question about that I was speaking to a local developer and he had seen the

696
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:28,360
 exhibit by Clarion with the reconstruction of the lots and I have

697
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:31,800
 to apologize for my ignorance but he expressed some concern that the design

698
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:40,400
 criteria wouldn't fully allow for the full thought process of the cluster

699
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:45,680
 development to actually come to fruition so how does the city look at or can you

700
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:49,800
 tell me about the alignment with the design criteria manual supporting the

701
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:54,400
 actual development of cluster development because to his concern and I

702
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,840
 would echo it is we have the idea of cluster development but the design

703
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:02,240
 standards prevent it from actually looking and coming to life as we had

704
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:07,800
 hopes and I just have to clarify are we talking about block length or I mean

705
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:11,700
 because to talk about road curvature and the designs of roads through a

706
01:12:11,700 --> 01:12:15,800
 development like that it and maybe that illustration probably was just that an

707
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:21,000
 illustration however they still have to meet the subdivision requirements the

708
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:26,780
 block length the curvature all of the access requirements so a development

709
01:12:26,780 --> 01:12:33,440
 under for example the r3 maybe let's let's go a little further r6 is believe

710
01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:40,200
 it's 6,000 square feet so I know it's it's it's doable because we have it they

711
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:44,800
 just have to meet the requirements and I apologize I don't know what said person

712
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:50,560
 to reference but you can you can do that as part of a cluster development it

713
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:59,960
 should not prevent you from doing it great yes thank you okay okay I think if

714
01:12:59,960 --> 01:13:05,840
 we're done with sub chapter 7 we can move on to sub chapter 8 unless you have

715
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:16,480
 any questions all right last sub chapter and this is it this is all this is this

716
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:22,120
 is the chance that you're gonna get definitions which is I believe another

717
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:28,440
 important sub chapter because it holds a lot of what we often look for right

718
01:13:28,440 --> 01:13:32,200
 because well what is what is autocor what is cluster development a lot of

719
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:36,480
 that is in this sub chapter we want to make sure that this sub chapter is

720
01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:45,480
 reviewed and it's is is there for us to use for example all the list of uses

721
01:13:45,480 --> 01:13:50,880
 that's in sub chapter 5 are all in the definition they have their definition in

722
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:58,360
 here in the current code there was definitions in several sub chapters and

723
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:03,920
 you didn't know which one to look at or how where would be the hope is that all

724
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,680
 of it is in one step chapter which it is and so you can just go straight to

725
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:13,280
 sub chapter 8 to identify or to find that definition and that's that's what

726
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:18,520
 we've done here so they're listed alphabetically ordered and it's a it's a

727
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:23,200
 long list but it's an exhaustive list that we hope would help in the

728
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:29,120
 development review process so you've all looked at the definitions right we're

729
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:34,560
 all just joking to be honest we look at it too and we find that we're either

730
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:38,660
 missing one or sometimes it's something that we didn't think about so we are

731
01:14:38,660 --> 01:14:43,960
 continually looking at those definitions to make sure that we have all of them so

732
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:48,080
 that when we look for it we have it available mr. Beck thanks chair I thought

733
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:52,600
 did a good job every time I came across the term that I didn't understand I

734
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:56,560
 pretty much found it in definition so I thought you did a good job I think I

735
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:01,880
 sent you a note though where you had and I can't I'll get back to you on it but

736
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:08,120
 it was a definition that was an indefinition so I'll find it okay well

737
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:13,400
 no any thank you for that and again any input that you all can provide feedback

738
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:17,700
 we appreciate it because again we want to make sure when we get this to the

739
01:15:17,700 --> 01:15:26,520
 finish line we want it to be as close to final draft as possible that's Ron I do

740
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:31,800
 have one question that it's not really relevant to so chapter 8 but is that

741
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:36,560
 the final draft that's electronically available actually leveraged PDFs ability

742
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:42,240
 to hyperlink so we can click words back to the definition is that is that part

743
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:48,960
 of the process that Clarion's adding the navigability I think the I think that's

744
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:56,960
 a possibility I think what we were asked to do was the table of contents I know

745
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:00,320
 one point to we talked about just hovering over a word where it where you

746
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:04,560
 wouldn't have to necessarily click click over but it would just pop I think that's

747
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:09,680
 part of the user-friendly you know theme I think we can do that I know initially

748
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:13,280
 they had set it up for just the the table content so you can click on it you

749
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:17,680
 can just go straight to it but as far as individual words that may be a little bit

750
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:22,440
 too much but we can certainly identify some that we know we should be linking

751
01:16:22,440 --> 01:16:26,240
 to the definition section sure yeah well you think of the use table if you just

752
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:30,960
 had the very beginning you know connection back to the use I think that's

753
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:34,480
 a great idea I think even with the definition but also like say for example

754
01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:38,360
 the use specific standards you can click on it you don't have to or however you

755
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:47,800
 get to it great any questions for sub chapter eight okay last to the last

756
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:54,160
 slide one and then my questions last slide as far as the development code

757
01:16:54,160 --> 01:17:03,640
 update on March 29th we're going to publish a final adoption draft and that

758
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:08,800
 is going to include the comments we received today there is the initial

759
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:14,120
 adoption draft that's online now we are continually updating the draft that's

760
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:18,160
 going to be updated again on March 29th it's not this Friday but the Friday

761
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:24,640
 next it's going to be there for the general public in preparation of our

762
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:29,520
 April 10th our meeting are playing zoning Commission public hearing we're

763
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:35,280
 set to have a public hearing on this item on April 10th we've already set

764
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:42,000
 that in stage by publishing and sending out mailings to property owners so we're

765
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:46,240
 set on April 10th for planning zoning Commission and April 23rd for City

766
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:54,480
 Council pressure back are you done now I'm done okay I just wanted to throw I

767
01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:58,040
 didn't want to interrupt you you wanted to continue I think we're all aware and

768
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:02,680
 if I this isn't the appropriate time or forum to ask this and somebody let me

769
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:06,720
 know this will probably go to you Jerry we're aware of an individual that's

770
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:11,040
 concerned about how their area was on and want to know if there was an appeal

771
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:17,480
 process so is that something we can discuss here is there should we put this

772
01:18:17,480 --> 01:18:25,360
 off well that's what the public hearing process is for is for people to you know

773
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:29,400
 voice their concerns and if they if they have anything that they want to bring up

774
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:33,840
 the staff they certainly can it beforehand well I guess question is it's

775
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:37,300
 being asked is there an appeal process for somebody who doesn't like what they

776
01:18:37,300 --> 01:18:48,040
 were zone if they get zoned the they will just have to ask to rezone it so

777
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:52,800
 it's it I mean it's important to attend to this issue and make sure that your

778
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:58,720
 property gets correctly zoned and and to let staff know if there's a problem and

779
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:03,240
 attend to public hearings and make sure your voice is known okay it just seems

780
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:06,320
 like it would be better to get it straightened out now before we finalize

781
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:10,680
 absolutely yeah that's why I'm saying you know contact staff let the staff know

782
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:18,480
 if if if if anybody sees a problem let the staff know any individual member of

783
01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:24,880
 the public well I mean I'll leave it to Ron and Scott as far as the operational

784
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:32,400
 process is concerned but you know the the concept is is well I'll put it this

785
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:36,000
 way from from from the legal department's perspective we don't really

786
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:41,040
 care what process they use you know the the idea is that I'm sure that they will

787
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:45,880
 have a process for which they will accept input from the public and

788
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:53,320
 suggestions that they may be zoned in appropriately okay so if I can just chime

789
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:59,640
 in a little bit obviously this is a City Council approval of a development code

790
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:04,040
 or update or code amendment however you want to reference it any zoning map

791
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:12,600
 update in any decision by City Council my understanding is is final so as Jerry

792
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:18,920
 mentioned any appeal needs to be done before we lock that should be done

793
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:23,960
 before or rezone the property go through the rezoning and like you said we don't

794
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:28,680
 want to do that so as Jerry mentioned we want to encourage people to come to the

795
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:31,600
 public hearing and I believe the gentleman that or the person you're

796
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:38,180
 referring to has done that has come to us and I've advised and encouraged said

797
01:20:38,180 --> 01:20:44,560
 person to attend the public hearing to voice his opinion and if I if I might

798
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:49,520
 add that actually and I've heard Ron say to come before PNZ and council to

799
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:53,440
 express their their their opinion and their views

800
01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:59,960
 Chris Ross thank you chair yeah just to offer my opinion on this and the email

801
01:20:59,960 --> 01:21:04,080
 you're speaking of Commissioner Burke I mean appeal keeps being used except

802
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:06,760
 nothing's been adopted so you can't really appeal something that's not

803
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:10,240
 really done so all we have right now is public hearings and that's I mean that

804
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:17,880
 is the right forum for him to express his concerns certainly staff is open to

805
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:21,940
 meeting anytime and then all of the public hearings but I mean you can't

806
01:21:21,940 --> 01:21:26,480
 appeal something that's not adopted I think that's a term that's being used

807
01:21:26,480 --> 01:21:33,640
 that's making things confusing okay with as long as that direction gets back to

808
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:39,580
 that individual that if you want to forward that email along I'll make

809
01:21:39,580 --> 01:21:49,000
 certain that it does okay okay thanks thank you all right that's all I have

810
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:55,080
 thank you so much for your patience and your review of the code I appreciate all

811
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:59,680
 the hard work that you've done and the next time you'll see the draft will be

812
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:03,400
 published again on March 29th and as we prepare for the public hearing we will

813
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:08,960
 make sure that we give you ample time to have the documents in advance as again

814
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:12,600
 we get ready for the next phase of this project

815
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:16,960
 Kishore Ellis thank you chair Ron is there still an opportunity to email

816
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:23,480
 anything yes ma'am from until what's the date April 23rd okay until till city

817
01:22:23,480 --> 01:22:31,700
 can't nope sorry for I'm sorry I thought you were referring to comments from the

818
01:22:31,700 --> 01:22:38,920
 public for for you all comments from us from you all would be you know before

819
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:44,700
 April 10th you know so we can get your response and as a citizen you have up

820
01:22:44,700 --> 01:22:50,840
 until City Council as well got it thank you good clarification thank you Ron so

821
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:57,800
 much for your presentation your hard work on this thank you next item for

822
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:01,680
 business tonight is the clarification of the agenda items the first thing we have

823
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:09,520
 is minutes is there any questions we were given an update to minutes for the

824
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:17,880
 February 20th make sure everyone has a copy of that thank you any questions on

825
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:23,640
 the 20th or 27th meeting minutes great there is some clarification I just want

826
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:32,360
 to invite Haley is Haley yeah we got an updated plaque can you provide us

827
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:35,360
 context

828
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:46,880
 document is for FP 18 18 their residence is at razor ranch the only change from

829
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:51,760
 the copy you originally received in your backup you may have noticed there were

830
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:56,480
 some kind of irregular lots HOA lots proposed in the right-of-way originally

831
01:23:56,480 --> 01:24:00,700
 on Beaumont after meeting with the city engineer the the developer determined

832
01:24:00,700 --> 01:24:04,640
 that they can just make those medians within the right-of-way and through a

833
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:08,000
 maintenance agreement can still landscape those the way they want to so

834
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:12,840
 those HOA lots have been removed from where they were shown here as well as

835
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:16,640
 from the title block and that's that's the only change at this time great any

836
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:26,800
 questions on this plot thanks Haley and Julie can you talk about the changes to

837
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:40,520
 your plot this is item 3b so this is a revision a small revision to ropes and

838
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:47,720
 ranch unit 6-1 it actually includes a new note on it and that is note 11 and it

839
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:53,800
 talks about the easternmost 20 feet of lot 2x shall be dedicated as an easement

840
01:24:53,800 --> 01:25:00,080
 to the city of Denton for public water sewer and storm drainage purposes that's

841
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:06,680
 for potential future future water lines in that in that area so it's just that

842
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:14,520
 that one note 11 any questions for Julie on this plot great thanks Julie oh

843
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:18,480
 Michelle thank you chair well Julie and I had a little conversation about this

844
01:25:18,480 --> 01:25:22,880
 plot on and thank you for your response and yeah I would love yeah maybe some

845
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,920
 better clarity going forward if there's any way to do it I had brought up that on

846
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:32,080
 here like on all the ropes and properties the note about the lots are

847
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:35,960
 asterisked that are within a thousand feet and it's on this plot except none of

848
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:40,040
 them exist so it's a little bit misleading because what I said to her is

849
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:44,520
 did they accidentally forget to asterisk any because the note clearly reads

850
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:50,160
 they're marked with an asterisk so they were having conversations with them

851
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:54,480
 maybe going forward and clarifying some things so staff did make a comment

852
01:25:54,480 --> 01:25:58,160
 regarding that to ropes and ranch because there are none of these lots are

853
01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:03,120
 within a thousand feet of a gas well and so during the review staff made the

854
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:06,680
 comment that we made a suggestion hey did you want to change that plat note

855
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:11,280
 just to add some clarity they are hesitant to change that plat note

856
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:14,760
 because that plat note was really a culmination of working with our legal

857
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:19,440
 department and their legal department but I talked with them today and and and

858
01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:23,880
 we talked about maybe going forward having two types of plat notes so

859
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:26,760
 getting our legal departments to get their heads together to maybe have a

860
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:31,680
 plat note for those areas that are outside of that thousand foot down buffer

861
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:36,600
 from a gas well so so hopefully soon we'll have a new plat note that will

862
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:41,560
 address that thank you great and did anyone have any questions for item 3c

863
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:49,800
 Haley's final plot so any questions on that one perfect so that would lead us

864
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:55,840
 into our two public hearing items the first one is 4a and Romans here to tell

865
01:26:55,840 --> 01:27:02,640
 us about an historic landmark yeah an overview would be great at least with

866
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:08,120
 the historic Commission historic Landmark Commission had to say about it

867
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:16,160
 as usual with the landmarks unanimous quite a few slides here but I'll just go

868
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:19,920
 through them real quick you know I would have a few slides this is a historic

869
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:28,120
 landmark designation for for a property at 900 Eagan Street and so I just have

870
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:33,840
 we have a lot of background on it standard residential lot the owner lives

871
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:38,520
 in it has done some work there and would like to landmark it it's it's northwest

872
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:44,000
 of here on Eagan Street one of Denton's most well preserved he's a presentation

873
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:49,720
 yeah there we go and you know so we have a little bit of background about that

874
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:54,040
 we're gonna provide to you for example that this was a this is the streets were

875
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:58,600
 originally deeded to the city in 1917 for a dollar so that created gave the

876
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:03,740
 city the opportunity to panhandle pond or Eagan and Alice Street that the we

877
01:28:03,740 --> 01:28:06,680
 have actually have the mechanics lien on this property we talked about who the

878
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:12,200
 contractor is who the owners were what they were contracted to build this

879
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:16,680
 property has a lot of ownership unusual for a local landmark for building of

880
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:21,480
 this condition usually you see fewer owners right now at about 80 to 90

881
01:28:21,480 --> 01:28:25,440
 years old but 12 owners and we still have a pretty good house this is the

882
01:28:25,440 --> 01:28:32,400
 house which its original brick work and that's changed a little the columns were

883
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:36,440
 swapped out there was an addition in the back we talked about who lived there

884
01:28:36,440 --> 01:28:40,600
 I'll give you a course more detail on this when we read through it but Mrs.

885
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:43,840
 Scott was quite phenomenal she was a poet and a songwriter and her music

886
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:49,440
 played on local radio stations she was on the Texas Council for the promotion of

887
01:28:49,440 --> 01:28:56,320
 poetry and then who was born in the place so what was neat is this man Mr.

888
01:28:56,320 --> 01:29:02,600
 Kirschbaum and his wife they had a child there he himself was important in the

889
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:07,040
 symphony and he was for a number of years in East Texas and Tyler conducted

890
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:10,440
 the symphony there but his son which is really what we're talking about Ralph

891
01:29:10,440 --> 01:29:15,240
 was a real phenomena and is till today and so we're going to talk a little bit

892
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:19,960
 about him being born in that house and so this house was a Scott nursing home

893
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:24,960
 during the time that the Scotts had it and when we say nursing home it really

894
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:29,480
 wasn't nursing isn't we think of a place for the elderly to be but nursing in

895
01:29:29,480 --> 01:29:33,280
 terms of birth and nursing and so it really were people it was a house to

896
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:35,840
 have your kids and so we're going to recommend approval that's kind of the

897
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:42,400
 background of it if any questions about it or anything you have it's a great

898
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:46,160
 property and of course this this this goes along with the Denton 2030 plan

899
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:51,080
 because in the 2030 plan we have that we want to encourage voluntary long mark

900
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:54,720
 designation and so on a street like Egan which is really a street that could be

901
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:59,720
 part of a historic district you know this is good to have a local landmark

902
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:06,120
 within that on that street totally agree any questions for this property

903
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:11,000
 Christian back not so much this property but that the area that this house is in

904
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:18,240
 hasn't the Texas Historical Society I guess it is have they certified this

905
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:24,360
 area I believe that Egan is part of the National Register District that historic

906
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:28,440
 Denton and Randy hunt have been working on getting designated and yes that's

907
01:30:28,440 --> 01:30:32,240
 coming I think on a very soon they have a quarterly meetings of the State Board

908
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:37,040
 of Review which makes recommendations to the Park Service the National Park

909
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:40,040
 Service to create a national National Register District and yes this this

910
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:44,680
 this is I believe within that district which was created a local we sure it's

911
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:52,400
 a national designation that has no local impact and people aren't required to to

912
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:56,480
 have a permit to see a value that doesn't happen this part this house will

913
01:30:56,480 --> 01:31:00,080
 with a local landmark designation but when you create a National Register

914
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:06,160
 District that does not automatically mean that your local government has

915
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:09,000
 anything to do with that I mean the people they don't have to report you can

916
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:11,720
 modify or you can demolish a house that's in a National Register District

917
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:16,760
 without reporting it to anyone unless your local law has something about that

918
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:20,920
 and some do you know Brownsville Texas where I came from anything on the state

919
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:26,800
 or the National Register the register Texas landmark or on the National

920
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:30,080
 Register those properties were automatically protected by the local

921
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:33,120
 ordinance the local ordinance said if you were to modify those properties then

922
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:36,560
 you still you need the same certificate of appropriateness that comes from the

923
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:40,560
 Landmark Commission some cities have it and some don't didn't hadn't had one yet

924
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:47,280
 so that's kind of where we are with that who's your Sanchez so what all what all

925
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:53,960
 the benefits that they get as far as with his designation well the the

926
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:58,280
 financial benefit that they get is and they will come back and ask for this the

927
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:03,360
 if they've spent ten thousand dollars on this property within two years of its

928
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:10,160
 designation our current code allows them to apply to have half off of their City

929
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:18,200
 of Denton property taxes for ten years and so if the work is qualified work in

930
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:22,920
 that the Landmark Commission alone can can say it's qualified but generally

931
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:28,100
 structural changes of course to the property then yes then they can receive

932
01:32:28,100 --> 01:32:32,280
 that and actually that is not just ten years at the end of ten years if you've

933
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:36,080
 spent an additional ten thousand dollars in that period you can reapply and

934
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:40,560
 there's no limit in our code for that so half off and it's not an enormous

935
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:44,400
 amount of money but my feeling as a preservation officer and I think this is

936
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:48,920
 the way most people feel about historic districts as they do help to define a

937
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:56,920
 city and they take more to maintain usually so and or in the case of an

938
01:32:56,920 --> 01:33:00,000
 improvement like that where someone's gone in of course they've added square

939
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:04,520
 footage to this house and a beautiful back porch with accents so that's where

940
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:11,440
 the benefit comes from that's the only local financial incentive the only other

941
01:33:11,440 --> 01:33:15,080
 incentives that you know you've told a story about that residence that's

942
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:21,640
 documented and you actually have the added for them giving that financial

943
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:27,360
 benefit for for the city we we actually then have you know you have your

944
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:30,800
 Landmark Commission or your preservation officer that sort of watches over that

945
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:35,240
 property so that it doesn't have inappropriate alterations you know in the

946
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:39,200
 case of this one if someone came forward later and came into the office and they

947
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:45,000
 said they wanted to change these columns again for example you know they're

948
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:48,480
 talking to me normally I'm going to recommend you go back and put that you

949
01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:54,880
 know row of stretcher bond brick columns back in and that and that pedestal the

950
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:57,720
 other alteration you can see in this image is the front door there used to be

951
01:33:57,720 --> 01:34:02,240
 two front doors here which was common on those residents at that time there they

952
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:05,480
 could rent out a room in the back or the front and you'd have your an out

953
01:34:05,480 --> 01:34:12,480
 exterior access so it's really about community it's really saying I'm proud

954
01:34:12,480 --> 01:34:15,640
 of this place I'm proud of this home I'm proud I'm taking care of it and the

955
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:22,280
 people in the past and the only benefit right now would be the the tax interior

956
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:30,800
 they can do any kind of remodeling say inside like yes it is exterior is that

957
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:34,880
 what's your problem yes it doesn't trigger a certificate of appropriateness

958
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:41,120
 requirement unless it's exterior okay changes and then under the code that

959
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:44,640
 you're reviewing and putting through we're making it very clear that if if

960
01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:50,240
 the changes are not visible from the street as determined by the preservation

961
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:53,200
 officer who it's ever acting as a preservation officer the director of

962
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:57,440
 planning also I think it can tie it to them too if it's not visible from the

963
01:34:57,440 --> 01:35:01,440
 street by staff then it doesn't get also doesn't require a certificate of

964
01:35:01,440 --> 01:35:05,240
 appropriateness you see I'm say so if you're making an addition in the back

965
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:10,040
 and it's not really visible then it wouldn't come before the Commission and

966
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:16,880
 then all your regular maintenance can be approved by staff it's just if you're

967
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:20,160
 you know if you're seeing a significant alteration typically you're gonna see

968
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:25,480
 window replacement and windows are really sacred in historic preservation I

969
01:35:25,480 --> 01:35:30,960
 mean the economic studies that have been done on the economics of them and and

970
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:34,760
 what have you indicate that it's always best to preserve them and that the the

971
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:38,480
 energy savings really aren't aren't there financially how people think they

972
01:35:38,480 --> 01:35:41,880
 are that's okay but when you're looking at these buildings that's generally you

973
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:44,680
 want to keep that front facade especially the front facade looking

974
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:50,800
 original so yeah that's when you're gonna see so Lamar Commission is only

975
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:55,800
 typically gonna see a pretty substantial alteration or demolition removal of the

976
01:35:55,800 --> 01:36:02,800
 property altogether how hard would it be to get it off that you can position in

977
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:08,320
 the exact reverse according to ordinance you can petition in the exact reverse to

978
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:14,520
 to remove a property and I need to look at that language a little closer but

979
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:19,960
 it's been in there all along that you could remove the designation you can

980
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:27,200
 also you know if say someone has a landmark let's you know pick a more

981
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:31,760
 public buildings that might be landmark for example the old post office that's

982
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:39,120
 being used as a warehouse right now is a local landmark right so if it changed

983
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:44,080
 hands for example and someone wanted to demolish it that would probably get

984
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:47,760
 denied at the Landmark Commission but then it could be appealed to City

985
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:53,760
 Council and in that case it's possible City Council could allow for the

986
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:58,320
 demolition or not so you don't have to remove it per se I'll give you another

987
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:03,800
 example on the square on the southwest corner of the square where this

988
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:07,400
 building that says Sherman at the top that Hendry's building is a local

989
01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:11,320
 landmark but it was I presume it must have been a local landmark have to look

990
01:37:11,320 --> 01:37:15,700
 back at the history in the building that was there that burned down so the site

991
01:37:15,700 --> 01:37:20,800
 is what we designate by the ordinance so the building that's there actually had

992
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:25,120
 to go before Landmark Commission so you have a really good building there but

993
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:29,320
 it's also good because he had a good architect Jim Jim Kirk Patrick I believe

994
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:33,320
 was the architect and took it very he actually helped to draft the first

995
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:38,080
 downtown design guidelines that we still have so he was very passionate about

996
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:42,960
 making sure a very good building was put in that place

997
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:12,480
 thank you chair members of the Commission this is a item project that

998
01:38:12,480 --> 01:38:17,920
 you all have seen it was brought forward to you all in November I believe of

999
01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:24,960
 last year where the applicant was requesting a rezoning in an SUP and the

1000
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:31,480
 purpose for the rezoning was to increase their density and of course what we what

1001
01:38:31,480 --> 01:38:36,140
 they heard from the Commission and from the citizen at that public hearing was

1002
01:38:36,140 --> 01:38:44,320
 that anything over 12 units per acre was low high so what they've done is they've

1003
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:51,120
 redesigned their site and have it underneath under 12 units per acre it's

1004
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:57,080
 actually at 12 units per acre sorry I kind of told Roman to do it I'm not

1005
01:38:57,080 --> 01:39:02,320
 doing it so the site as you all are already familiar with is on Mockingbird

1006
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:08,360
 just west of Mockingbird Mockingbird south of Mingo as shown there they are

1007
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:16,760
 now proposing 118 where it was over 200 plus I think was 276 in their first

1008
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:21,360
 draft again the site hasn't changed it's just that the number of dwelling units

1009
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:32,040
 has dropped to 12 units per acre it is in the future land-use map as moderate

1010
01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:38,760
 residential the description of moderate residential is between 4 and 12 it's

1011
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:44,480
 technically or designated for small housing detach it also includes a low

1012
01:39:44,480 --> 01:39:48,760
 rise in multifamily dwellings in town homes it's main it's to maintain the

1013
01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:54,320
 existing area act as a transition for other zoning districts and so you can

1014
01:39:54,320 --> 01:40:01,320
 see that the the community mix use and then the moderate is in between the low

1015
01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:08,240
 density residential so that's the future land-use map the zoning again is not

1016
01:40:08,240 --> 01:40:12,720
 being considered because they do not need that rezoning they are currently

1017
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:19,720
 zone NRU me 12 but to allow for a multi-family use they need a specific use

1018
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:25,960
 permit and that is what's being considered tonight the of the

1019
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:31,240
 Michelle's thank you chair yes so on that note run I noticed you had a

1020
01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:34,880
 proposed zoning map in there that's just from an old presentation on this I

1021
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:39,840
 apologize yes that's okay yeah that's not right we're not considering that at

1022
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:48,760
 all okay thank you so again the NRU me 12 has a requirement that it obtain a

1023
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:53,440
 specific use permit if you're proposing a multifamily dwelling unit it also has

1024
01:40:53,440 --> 01:40:58,920
 the L4 but the L4 basically also says specific use permit so essentially they

1025
01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:07,120
 achieve both by obtaining a specific use permit criteria for approval under the

1026
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:15,640
 then development code is covered under sub chapter 6 3564 to be exact does the

1027
01:41:15,640 --> 01:41:20,520
 proposed use conform with all the standards is it compatible and does it

1028
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:28,680
 have any adverse impact and through staff's analysis the criteria for

1029
01:41:28,680 --> 01:41:33,200
 approval is is met and and as you already probably have seen staff is

1030
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:40,120
 recommending approval the site is shown here in red with major arterials mingo

1031
01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:47,560
 University Arden loop shown here there are several subdivisions in the area the

1032
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:54,080
 Oak Ridge estates and of course the Bell Air North addition to the south had some

1033
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:59,320
 some folks come out of course in opposition due to the high density that

1034
01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:04,560
 was being proposed since the public hearing I'm sorry the public meeting

1035
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:09,840
 that they held in January 31st there were some residents from those

1036
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:14,280
 subdivisions and they were pleased to see that they had revised their site

1037
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:20,800
 plan to reflect more of the 12 units per acre just way of background or

1038
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:25,440
 information there is another multifamily not too far from here it is called the

1039
01:42:25,440 --> 01:42:35,560
 woodlands of Denton shown here to the west that is approximately 16 or 15.9

1040
01:42:35,560 --> 01:42:40,040
 dwelling units per acre and they're gonna be well below that or below that

1041
01:42:40,040 --> 01:42:49,280
 at 12 the mobility this was a topic of discussion by the public when they first

1042
01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:56,040
 were here as far as traffic and so right now the classifications for Mockingbird

1043
01:42:56,040 --> 01:43:01,340
 is a collector old north is also a collector which is just north of the

1044
01:43:01,340 --> 01:43:08,320
 site and mingo is a secondary arterial and as you all know they're not built to

1045
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:13,680
 the standards or their their cross sections that are shown as of that

1046
01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:20,920
 classification so that is a future widening project in the future and as of

1047
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:25,800
 today staff does not have any date of when those will be widened but we know

1048
01:43:25,800 --> 01:43:32,960
 that they have to it's just that we don't have a timeline at this point the

1049
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:36,120
 staff analysis is in the backup I'm not going to go through it essentially they

1050
01:43:36,120 --> 01:43:41,240
 meet the the future lane use we looked at the compatibility of the area they

1051
01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:46,360
 are meeting the buffer the screening requirements they did do a TIA and they

1052
01:43:46,360 --> 01:43:50,200
 are complying with the requirements or the measurements that are recommended

1053
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:56,400
 as part of TIA staff has looked at the orientation materials parking landscaping

1054
01:43:56,400 --> 01:44:01,720
 and ESA requirements as part of the analysis as of this afternoon and I have

1055
01:44:01,720 --> 01:44:08,880
 placed two notices or response to those notices on your on your desk there there

1056
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:16,640
 was an opposition by the property to the West that said person has formally

1057
01:44:16,640 --> 01:44:24,280
 requested that his response be in favor rather than opposition which changes the

1058
01:44:24,280 --> 01:44:30,440
 percentage so currently there are five property owners within 200 foot that are

1059
01:44:30,440 --> 01:44:35,480
 in opposition that equates to or calculates to approximately eight point

1060
01:44:35,480 --> 01:44:41,840
 four seven percent and again shown on this exhibit are the red identifying

1061
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:48,160
 those that are in opposition and then the person that is in favor is shown

1062
01:44:48,160 --> 01:44:55,800
 here in green I want to point out that the property owner did have two

1063
01:44:55,800 --> 01:45:02,120
 neighborhood meetings one again prior to the first public hearing back on October

1064
01:45:02,120 --> 01:45:07,800
 31st there was one person that attended who was generally in favor really not

1065
01:45:07,800 --> 01:45:11,480
 any opposition they came here and planning zoning Commission it was a

1066
01:45:11,480 --> 01:45:17,400
 different story they held a second neighborhood meeting following that in

1067
01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:22,240
 January this year January 31st they had more people there about 12 people and

1068
01:45:22,240 --> 01:45:26,800
 again they were pleased to see that the density had dropped from whatever it was

1069
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:34,880
 to 12 units per acre staff make is making a recommendation for approval

1070
01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:40,080
 with the following condition and we have this condition as part of a specific use

1071
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:45,720
 permit that the attached site plan and landscape plan reflects the intent to

1072
01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:50,040
 comply with the DC requirements with regards to parking street trees

1073
01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:54,840
 landscaping and buffers although if there are any minor modification through

1074
01:45:54,840 --> 01:46:00,840
 the final building process they are able to but again the intent is to meet what

1075
01:46:00,840 --> 01:46:06,600
 is provided to you in your backup and that concludes my presentation I'll be

1076
01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:10,680
 happy to answer any questions for sure else thank you chair Ron I had a

1077
01:46:10,680 --> 01:46:16,240
 question on the buffer to Bel Air is that is it just a landscape buffer that's

1078
01:46:16,240 --> 01:46:20,400
 there is that all that's there there's actually a drainage channel on the

1079
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:24,200
 south side and so you have you have the drainage channel which is hard to see

1080
01:46:24,200 --> 01:46:31,160
 and then above that is going to be a buffer as well of landscaping yes and I

1081
01:46:31,160 --> 01:46:45,200
 believe it is a 15-foot buffer type C buffer any other questions thanks all

1082
01:46:45,200 --> 01:46:51,760
 right thank you that concludes the work session for planning and zoning we will

1083
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:57,360
 convene for our meeting at 630 and council chambers thank you well I'll

1084
01:46:57,360 --> 01:47:01,600
 close this meeting at 551

1085
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:10,040
 good evening ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the planning and zoning

1086
01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:16,800
 Commission session for March 20th 2019 I will call this meeting to order at 637

1087
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:21,040
 the first item for business is a pledge of allegiance so if you're able please

1088
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:25,800
 stand and provide US flag and Texas flag pledge of allegiance

1089
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:54,680
 the next item of business is to consider approval of the minutes because of

1090
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:58,040
 attendance we're going to take these in two different votes so the chair will

1091
01:47:58,040 --> 01:48:03,160
 first entertain a discussion or motion for the minutes for February 20th 2019

1092
01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:08,560
 Commissioner Beck I move to approve the minutes for mark February 20th we have a

1093
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:13,760
 first for approval Commissioner Ellis second we have a second we have first

1094
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:18,360
 and a second for approval of the minutes any discussion seeing none I call for a

1095
01:48:18,360 --> 01:48:31,060
 vote on the board motion carries 6-0 the chair will now entertain a motion or

1096
01:48:31,060 --> 01:48:38,080
 discussion for the February 27th meeting minutes Commissioner Ellis I move we

1097
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:42,440
 have a first for approval Commissioner pernetta a second motion to approve we

1098
01:48:42,440 --> 01:48:46,440
 have a second we have a first and a second for approval of the February 27th

1099
01:48:46,440 --> 01:48:59,000
 meeting minutes see no discussion I'll call for a vote on the board motion

1100
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:04,560
 carries five zero with one recuse the next item of business is the consent

1101
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:10,680
 agenda and chair will listen to any discussion or motion for the consent

1102
01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:14,680
 Commissioner Ellis I move approval of the consent agenda we have a first for

1103
01:49:14,680 --> 01:49:18,720
 approval Commissioner Beck second we have a first and a second for approval

1104
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:23,600
 of the consent agenda any discussion seeing none I'll call for a vote on the

1105
01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:36,600
 board motion carries 6-0 that moves us to the public hearing the first item for

1106
01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:44,440
 hearing is item 4a HL 19 - 0 0 0 1 a I'll open the public hearing and ask Roman

1107
01:49:44,440 --> 01:49:50,400
 for presentation thank you chair my name is Roman McAllen I'm the historic

1108
01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:54,180
 preservation officer for the city of Denton tonight we have a request for

1109
01:49:54,180 --> 01:49:58,640
 historic landmark designation and we're asking you to make a recommendation to

1110
01:49:58,640 --> 01:50:01,840
 consider making a recommendation to City Council regarding an application for

1111
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:06,680
 historic landmark designation for the property located at 900 Egan Street this

1112
01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:11,680
 is a standard residential lot of 9800 square feet zoning is nr3 this is

1113
01:50:11,680 --> 01:50:15,560
 presently use present use as a single-family residence just a little bit

1114
01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:19,440
 of orientation from where we're sitting today out to the northwest north

1115
01:50:19,440 --> 01:50:26,760
 northwest is the Egan Street and this neighborhood in 1917 can we take it we

1116
01:50:26,760 --> 01:50:32,040
 can take us back take you back about that far in 1917 the land was conveyed

1117
01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:37,520
 to the city of Denton for a dollar and it was in order to construct the streets

1118
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:43,480
 so the streets that were laid out then were Panhandle Egan Ponder and Alice

1119
01:50:43,480 --> 01:50:49,040
 Street and here you see the lot that is the lot in question tonight and this was

1120
01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:54,760
 platted in 1923 we have a mechanics lien on this property so we know it was

1121
01:50:54,760 --> 01:51:02,840
 constructed for $3,750 in between July 14th of 1924 in August so in the short

1122
01:51:02,840 --> 01:51:08,000
 two or three months in the hottest time of the year for $3,750 someone

1123
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:12,240
 constructed a house and the agreement was to construct a one-frame dwelling

1124
01:51:12,240 --> 01:51:18,440
 house of six rooms one bath one hall two porches the solid it says a solid brick

1125
01:51:18,440 --> 01:51:21,840
 foundation and I assume that solid brick piers because it's a pier and beam home

1126
01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:27,200
 and also a convass which is a term that I researched as much as I could and if

1127
01:51:27,200 --> 01:51:30,960
 you know what the definition of a convass is I'd appreciate it I think it

1128
01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:35,320
 has something to do with resting or a porch it also had included paper and

1129
01:51:35,320 --> 01:51:40,240
 paint and plumbing and wire and all the fixtures and so that work was completed

1130
01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:48,480
 by LG McCormick for CEO Hussie now CEO Hussie took ownership briefly in 1924

1131
01:51:48,480 --> 01:51:56,120
 from C and Bertie Lipscomb they appeared to have deed at the house to him to to

1132
01:51:56,120 --> 01:52:00,800
 contract with the contractor and in their agreement when in the deed it

1133
01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:06,800
 actually said that he would construct a modern dwelling house of standard

1134
01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:14,200
 construction equal to or better than a five-bedroom bungalow so then you have

1135
01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:17,720
 this progression of ownership and there are total 12 owners listed here which is

1136
01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:22,960
 something rare for a home that is in this condition which is a good condition

1137
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:29,600
 and 12 owners over those years you do know that in 19 in 1940 I believe it was

1138
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:33,720
 that there was an remodel an extensive remodel which is that blue block in the

1139
01:52:33,720 --> 01:52:38,000
 middle for six hundred and ninety dollars where there was some upgrades to

1140
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:41,680
 the property the present owner has been there for ten years that's William Bo

1141
01:52:41,680 --> 01:52:45,680
 Hughes and Kimberly Beth Hughes and they've been there ten years and made

1142
01:52:45,680 --> 01:52:50,760
 some improvements this is the home and our historic resource survey you see

1143
01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:54,280
 that stripe there that it was a considered a contributing home to any

1144
01:52:54,280 --> 01:53:00,600
 potential historic district and of a medium priority and they said they were

1145
01:53:00,600 --> 01:53:05,840
 pretty close at 1925 for the construction date and this image is from

1146
01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:14,440
 the Denton County tax records this is the home as it looks today some diagonal

1147
01:53:14,440 --> 01:53:20,000
 images as well as the rear elevation on your right where some additional square

1148
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:24,520
 footage was added to the house as well as a porch which are appropriate for

1149
01:53:24,520 --> 01:53:33,400
 these for the style of the home the the home hasn't still retains a lot of its

1150
01:53:33,400 --> 01:53:37,760
 original condition including now what only that's really changed from the

1151
01:53:37,760 --> 01:53:41,200
 front is the front door there were two front doors as a lot of homes had at

1152
01:53:41,200 --> 01:53:45,280
 this period in time when people would rent a front room or a back room and

1153
01:53:45,280 --> 01:53:51,320
 often they person would have their own exterior access the front the columns

1154
01:53:51,320 --> 01:53:58,200
 which were interesting there these full columns which are a row brick pattern

1155
01:53:58,200 --> 01:54:03,200
 there standard I wrote the term there this is a let me get my stretcher bond

1156
01:54:03,200 --> 01:54:06,680
 brick pattern on these on these columns there were three columns and then there

1157
01:54:06,680 --> 01:54:11,720
 was a shorter decorative column the original lap double novelty siding is

1158
01:54:11,720 --> 01:54:16,000
 still there the wooden double hung windows and especially important in

1159
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:21,560
 Denton these very stylized roof rafter tails which we see throughout the inner

1160
01:54:21,560 --> 01:54:25,920
 part of Denton and some cities you don't see him so often but in some in Denton

1161
01:54:25,920 --> 01:54:31,960
 are very well articulated now the home is not just important for having that

1162
01:54:31,960 --> 01:54:36,200
 architectural integrity but it's also about who owned the home and who was

1163
01:54:36,200 --> 01:54:42,480
 born in the home and so here we have mrs. Scott and mrs. Scott her name was

1164
01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:47,880
 mrs. Vesta Scott and her husband lived in the house and she was had a prolific

1165
01:54:47,880 --> 01:54:52,480
 career in Denton she was a songwriter and many of her songs were played on

1166
01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:57,320
 radio stations in Fort Worth and Dallas she wrote a song called April is Spring

1167
01:54:57,320 --> 01:55:02,360
 and it was a lovely according to the Denton record Chronicle a lovely

1168
01:55:02,360 --> 01:55:07,280
 reminiscing melody about Texas State College for Women's red buttoned lane

1169
01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:11,680
 but that was what she did part-time what she did full-time was operate the Scott

1170
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:17,280
 nursing home and don't want to leave out that she was also on the Texas Council

1171
01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:22,360
 for the promotion of poetry and was represent was on one program in the

1172
01:55:22,360 --> 01:55:26,320
 poetry hour now what she did otherwise was operate the Scott nursing home and

1173
01:55:26,320 --> 01:55:30,480
 while nursing home here I think we have really a birthing center and so there

1174
01:55:30,480 --> 01:55:35,360
 are many records of people who were born in this home including here as we see in

1175
01:55:35,360 --> 01:55:40,200
 the blue a boy was born to mr. and mrs. Joseph Kershbaum who lived at 220 Frye

1176
01:55:40,200 --> 01:55:48,880
 and that he was a professor at UNT he was a very important professor he was a

1177
01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:53,960
 Yale graduate and he directed the Oberlin Conservatory string orchestra he

1178
01:55:53,960 --> 01:55:59,320
 did a lot of impressive work including that he served for a time for a quite a

1179
01:55:59,320 --> 01:56:04,120
 long number of years with the East Texas symphony East Texas Symphony in Tyler

1180
01:56:04,120 --> 01:56:10,920
 Texas but that son that was born to him is is really quite impressive Ralph

1181
01:56:10,920 --> 01:56:17,320
 Kershbaum who we saw in that story was born he went on to become a really lauded

1182
01:56:17,320 --> 01:56:22,240
 cello player and include he had appearances with the symphony orchestras

1183
01:56:22,240 --> 01:56:29,080
 of Boston Chicago San Francisco in London he served on the faculty of the

1184
01:56:29,080 --> 01:56:35,540
 Royal Northern College of Music in Manchester for 38 years and in 2008 he

1185
01:56:35,540 --> 01:56:39,880
 accepted a chair at the University of Southern California's Thornton School of

1186
01:56:39,880 --> 01:56:45,680
 Music and I don't imagine his parents paid anything extra for him to to work

1187
01:56:45,680 --> 01:56:50,160
 or to attend there and to be that position he received an honorary

1188
01:56:50,160 --> 01:56:55,280
 doctorate of music from the Royal Conservatory of Scotland in Glasgow and

1189
01:56:55,280 --> 01:57:00,920
 he served a five-year term on the United States Presidents Committee on the Arts

1190
01:57:00,920 --> 01:57:04,800
 and Humanities so I mean this home is just so representative of Denton in our

1191
01:57:04,800 --> 01:57:08,480
 history and our tie to music and the arts and it should be no surprise that

1192
01:57:08,480 --> 01:57:12,320
 if we just dig a little at each in any house and you look around we find these

1193
01:57:12,320 --> 01:57:17,320
 neat stories he also played in the Symphony Sydney Orchestra in Sydney

1194
01:57:17,320 --> 01:57:22,520
 Australia and you note this in yellow here from the Los Angeles Times it says

1195
01:57:22,520 --> 01:57:29,640
 Ralph Kershbaum on cello the highest echelon of today's cellist so cellist so

1196
01:57:29,640 --> 01:57:37,680
 he was really quite phenomenal and so basically we were now at the criteria

1197
01:57:37,680 --> 01:57:41,400
 for designated property in the city of Denton and we have this criteria there

1198
01:57:41,400 --> 01:57:45,520
 it meets quite a few of the criteria but I listed three here that the property

1199
01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:50,120
 has character or interest or value as part of a development heritage or the

1200
01:57:50,120 --> 01:57:55,040
 cultural characteristics of our city in this home this case the home retains

1201
01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:59,560
 those qualities that I've told you about and it was the location for number 11

1202
01:57:59,560 --> 01:58:02,880
 identification with a person who significantly contributed to the culture

1203
01:58:02,880 --> 01:58:06,800
 and development of the city the state or the United States and the filing number

1204
01:58:06,800 --> 01:58:09,600
 three a building or structure that because of its location has become a

1205
01:58:09,600 --> 01:58:12,800
 value to the neighborhood Egan Street it's one of the most intact historical

1206
01:58:12,800 --> 01:58:17,880
 streets in Denton it's really phenomenal and so landmarking a property there

1207
01:58:17,880 --> 01:58:25,160
 certainly meets the Denton plan 2030 goal of encouraging voluntary landmark

1208
01:58:25,160 --> 01:58:29,440
 designation as a vehicle to protect sites with historical significance

1209
01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:33,980
 notices were sent out in the two hundred and five hundred four five hundred square

1210
01:58:33,980 --> 01:58:39,240
 foot radius not square foot foot radius and we had one print response that was

1211
01:58:39,240 --> 01:58:44,040
 favorable and one phone call to my office and the owner has also had a

1212
01:58:44,040 --> 01:58:47,540
 posting in front of his home there the sign has been there for the required

1213
01:58:47,540 --> 01:58:54,480
 time and I'll take any questions thank you for the presentation the screen is

1214
01:58:54,480 --> 01:58:58,340
 loading here I do not see any questions for you thank you thank you this is a

1215
01:58:58,340 --> 01:59:01,600
 public hearing anyone wishing to speak on this item may certainly do so if you

1216
01:59:01,600 --> 01:59:07,760
 would like is there anyone here wishing to speak on this seeing none I will

1217
01:59:07,760 --> 01:59:13,200
 close the public hearing and turn it to discussion in a motion

1218
01:59:14,840 --> 01:59:18,620
 Commissioner Ellis thank you chair Roman thanks for a great presentation as

1219
01:59:18,620 --> 01:59:23,240
 always I move approval we have a first for approval Commissioner pernetta I

1220
01:59:23,240 --> 01:59:28,100
 second that motion we have a first and a second for approval of recommending to

1221
01:59:28,100 --> 01:59:31,920
 counsel the this application for the historically marked designation any

1222
01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:37,880
 discussion seeing none we'll call for a vote on the board the only thing I wanted

1223
01:59:37,880 --> 01:59:42,020
 to say is I know this family personally I'm super excited and proud that they

1224
01:59:42,020 --> 01:59:45,320
 went through the work to get here and so congratulations to the Hughes family for

1225
01:59:45,320 --> 01:59:49,280
 earning this designation hopefully council will do a unanimous vote on this

1226
01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:52,800
 item with that we'll vote on the board

1227
01:59:52,800 --> 02:00:04,600
 motion carries six zero that moves us to our next and final public hearing item

1228
02:00:04,600 --> 02:00:10,600
 for BS 18 - 0 0 0 5 D I will open the public hearing and invite Ron for

1229
02:00:10,600 --> 02:00:13,120
 presentation

1230
02:00:13,120 --> 02:00:20,680
 thank you chair members of Commission members of staff this item is s 18 5

1231
02:00:20,680 --> 02:00:28,240
 mockingbird multifamily and this is a should be a familiar project y'all had

1232
02:00:28,240 --> 02:00:33,760
 seen this back in November of last year it is for a specific use permit

1233
02:00:33,760 --> 02:00:39,680
 initially back in November the applicant requested a zoning change as well as a

1234
02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:45,040
 specific use permit during that public hearing there was some comments received

1235
02:00:45,040 --> 02:00:50,720
 by the applicant regarding the density of the proposed development being over

1236
02:00:50,720 --> 02:00:57,160
 12 units per acre the applicant has since amended their site plan and their

1237
02:00:57,160 --> 02:01:03,800
 proposal to be below the 12 at I'm sorry at 12 units per acre therefore the

1238
02:01:03,800 --> 02:01:08,720
 rezoning request has been withdrawn and tonight we are just considering the

1239
02:01:08,720 --> 02:01:13,600
 specific use permit the specific use permit is again to allow for the

1240
02:01:13,600 --> 02:01:19,720
 multifamily dwelling use the applicant is proposing 118 dwelling units on 9.91

1241
02:01:19,720 --> 02:01:25,160
 acres and as you can see here located on the west side of mockingbird Lane and

1242
02:01:25,160 --> 02:01:33,640
 just south of mingo for the land use element the area in subject area that is

1243
02:01:33,640 --> 02:01:40,840
 is designated as moderate residential designated for roughly 12 to sorry 4 to

1244
02:01:40,840 --> 02:01:45,880
 12 dwelling units per acre looking at low-rise multifamily single-family

1245
02:01:45,880 --> 02:01:51,120
 detached housing maintaining the scale of the area but also providing that

1246
02:01:51,120 --> 02:01:55,880
 transitional zoning that you see from a higher intense zoning to the lower

1247
02:01:55,880 --> 02:02:06,440
 intense zoning that's shown in on this slide the zoning is NRM you 12 that is

1248
02:02:06,440 --> 02:02:11,760
 the zoning and they are not changing that the zoning does allow for

1249
02:02:11,760 --> 02:02:17,240
 multifamily however it requires a specific use permit and also to meet the

1250
02:02:17,240 --> 02:02:22,720
 limitation 14 I'm sorry limitation 4 which essentially is a requirement for a

1251
02:02:22,720 --> 02:02:26,280
 specific use permit or part of a mixed-use development they're not doing

1252
02:02:26,280 --> 02:02:29,800
 mixed-use they're just doing apartments so they're going to take care of both

1253
02:02:29,800 --> 02:02:34,120
 requirements through the specific use permit it allows for 12 units per acre

1254
02:02:34,120 --> 02:02:39,280
 where they are maximum lock coverage of 60 and maximum height of 40 and the

1255
02:02:39,280 --> 02:02:45,120
 applicant or the proposed site plan meets those requirements for criteria for

1256
02:02:45,120 --> 02:02:50,000
 approval it is located in sub chapter 6 of the den development code

1257
02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:56,680
 specifically 3564 looking at how it is headed how it conforms with the

1258
02:02:56,680 --> 02:03:02,280
 standards as well as compatibility and that it not be an adverse impact to the

1259
02:03:02,280 --> 02:03:08,240
 surrounding area for compatibility analysis as part of your backup we did

1260
02:03:08,240 --> 02:03:13,920
 look at the area the area here shown in red is the subject property the major

1261
02:03:13,920 --> 02:03:20,640
 arterials or streets are shown here University mingo Audra and the loop there

1262
02:03:20,640 --> 02:03:25,740
 are existing developments within the area for context you have Oak Ridge to

1263
02:03:25,740 --> 02:03:31,880
 the southeast Bel Air north directly to the south shallow field of fields to the

1264
02:03:31,880 --> 02:03:36,120
 West and then you have other developments I want to make I want to

1265
02:03:36,120 --> 02:03:41,800
 make note of woodlands of Denton which is the closest multifamily development to

1266
02:03:41,800 --> 02:03:48,640
 the subject site is located to the west of the project subject project this is

1267
02:03:48,640 --> 02:03:55,520
 some information on the woodlands of Denton it is approximately 15.9 dwelling

1268
02:03:55,520 --> 02:04:00,920
 units per acre and again the proposal for this subject property is 12 units per

1269
02:04:00,920 --> 02:04:09,440
 acre so less than what is shown or at woodlands of Denton as far as mobility I

1270
02:04:09,440 --> 02:04:13,840
 know that at our last public hearing there were a lot of questions and

1271
02:04:13,840 --> 02:04:22,480
 comments related to traffic and in other items the mobility plan shows mingo as a

1272
02:04:22,480 --> 02:04:29,600
 secondary arterial mockingbird is a collector shown here in this dotted line

1273
02:04:29,600 --> 02:04:36,800
 and Audra is also shown as a collector road I will tell you that all three or

1274
02:04:36,800 --> 02:04:43,200
 all of the surrounding streets are not built to the street classification that

1275
02:04:43,200 --> 02:04:49,920
 is part of our mobility plan staff again as part of the analysis looks at a

1276
02:04:49,920 --> 02:04:53,600
 number of different factors we looked at the future land use element again it is

1277
02:04:53,600 --> 02:05:00,720
 designated as small moderate residential compatibility the adequate capacity of

1278
02:05:00,720 --> 02:05:04,640
 infrastructure those have been reviewed by development review committee and they

1279
02:05:04,640 --> 02:05:11,240
 are there are adequate capacity in that area there was a traffic impact analysis

1280
02:05:11,240 --> 02:05:16,880
 that was conducted as part of this specific use permit the mitigations that

1281
02:05:16,880 --> 02:05:21,920
 were identified help address some of the traffic issues that potentially could be

1282
02:05:21,920 --> 02:05:27,400
 generated by this development the applicant has applied those mitigation

1283
02:05:27,400 --> 02:05:31,960
 measures as part of development in their site plan they're installing a right

1284
02:05:31,960 --> 02:05:36,460
 turn lane as you head south so that allows people to get into the

1285
02:05:36,460 --> 02:05:41,560
 development quicker and not have a backup on mingo vice versa heading

1286
02:05:41,560 --> 02:05:47,480
 north there are two entrances to the site again to allow for more ability to

1287
02:05:47,480 --> 02:05:52,440
 get in and not be trapped I have traffic along mockingbird we also looked at

1288
02:05:52,440 --> 02:05:57,560
 building materials parking landscaping screening and ESA requirements the

1289
02:05:57,560 --> 02:06:01,360
 applicant will be required to meet all of those requirements they are also

1290
02:06:01,360 --> 02:06:08,600
 meeting the buffer and screening requirements in the form of a type C on

1291
02:06:08,600 --> 02:06:13,600
 the south a type B to the west again those are all part of the DEN

1292
02:06:13,600 --> 02:06:20,200
 development code requirements as of this afternoon we have received

1293
02:06:20,200 --> 02:06:27,120
 approximately eight responses five in opposition and you can see those that

1294
02:06:27,120 --> 02:06:31,840
 are represented in the red are those that are in opposition and that calculates

1295
02:06:31,840 --> 02:06:38,040
 to eight point four seven percent and then the one and the three that are in

1296
02:06:38,040 --> 02:06:43,360
 favor the one is shown here in green and there are two others that are not shown

1297
02:06:43,360 --> 02:06:52,200
 here but they're in the 200 foot area that it calculates to 14% during the

1298
02:06:52,200 --> 02:06:57,560
 initial stage the applicant did hold a neighborhood meeting it was held on

1299
02:06:57,560 --> 02:07:03,040
 October 31st and one person attended that meeting and that person generally

1300
02:07:03,040 --> 02:07:09,400
 was in favor however soon after that the public hearing at the public hearing

1301
02:07:09,400 --> 02:07:13,320
 with planning zoning Commission the Commission heard from several property

1302
02:07:13,320 --> 02:07:19,200
 owners or neighbors and they were in opposition hearing those comments in

1303
02:07:19,200 --> 02:07:27,320
 those concerns the applicant was asked to go back and talk to the neighbors and

1304
02:07:27,320 --> 02:07:32,920
 they have they before they did however they refined and updated their site plan

1305
02:07:32,920 --> 02:07:37,920
 to lower the density because that was really the major discussion during the

1306
02:07:37,920 --> 02:07:44,400
 public hearing and on January 31st they held another neighborhood meeting and at

1307
02:07:44,400 --> 02:07:48,280
 that meeting there were 12 approximately 12 members of the community that

1308
02:07:48,280 --> 02:07:53,520
 attended the applicant shared with them their revised site plan and generally

1309
02:07:53,520 --> 02:07:57,600
 the attendance or attendees were pleasant to hear that the density has now

1310
02:07:57,600 --> 02:08:05,360
 been lowered to 12 units per acre than what was previously proposed with that

1311
02:08:05,360 --> 02:08:09,920
 staff is recommending approval of the specific use permit with the condition

1312
02:08:09,920 --> 02:08:16,440
 that the site plan and landscape plan reflected reflects the intent to comply

1313
02:08:16,440 --> 02:08:23,480
 with the DC requirements and any minor modification or alteration can be

1314
02:08:23,480 --> 02:08:28,280
 approved by staff as long as they meet the intent and again they have shown and

1315
02:08:28,280 --> 02:08:34,640
 have told us that they're going to meet all of that and so the site plan and the

1316
02:08:34,640 --> 02:08:42,000
 landscape plan documents all of what they've agreed to do with that I will

1317
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:47,200
 stand for questions the applicant is present and I am ready for any questions

1318
02:08:47,200 --> 02:08:55,460
 we do have one question mr. Beck thank you chair thanks Ron in your

1319
02:08:55,460 --> 02:09:00,360
 recommendation are you indicating that this site plan is pretty much the way

1320
02:09:00,360 --> 02:09:04,960
 it's going to be with possibly some minor changes right and that anything

1321
02:09:04,960 --> 02:09:11,840
 beyond minor changes would be kind of they would have to bring this back okay

1322
02:09:11,840 --> 02:09:17,760
 okay so the site plan is the this is pretty much it okay I'm gonna be as far

1323
02:09:17,760 --> 02:09:22,040
 as location of buildings and everything like that right okay the other thing I

1324
02:09:22,040 --> 02:09:27,600
 wanted to discuss on the south side where you've got that open drainage you

1325
02:09:27,600 --> 02:09:32,480
 said there was gonna be a 15 foot barrier from the buffer it'll be a 15

1326
02:09:32,480 --> 02:09:35,840
 foot buffer okay it'll be on the south side of that open drain will be on the

1327
02:09:35,840 --> 02:09:40,160
 north side no drain so I'll be further away okay and I misunderstood that

1328
02:09:40,160 --> 02:09:42,600
 because I drove by there earlier and when you mentioned that I thought

1329
02:09:42,600 --> 02:09:47,760
 there's not 15 feet between on the south side of it okay that answers that thank

1330
02:09:47,760 --> 02:09:52,600
 you Ron thank you Ron any other questions this is a public hearing you

1331
02:09:52,600 --> 02:09:56,840
 on wishing to speak may certainly do so we have a couple cards filled out Ron

1332
02:09:56,840 --> 02:10:00,040
 mentioned the applicants is here I do not have a card for the applicant are

1333
02:10:00,040 --> 02:10:04,160
 y'all wishing to speak are you just here for questions or you want to say they

1334
02:10:04,160 --> 02:10:08,640
 have a presentation okay perfect we'll certainly invite the applicants up you

1335
02:10:08,640 --> 02:10:14,160
 have 20 minutes 10 minutes and if you could fill out a card if possible it'd

1336
02:10:14,160 --> 02:10:19,320
 be a great help and if you just state your name and address for the record

1337
02:10:19,320 --> 02:10:26,880
 five eight one one carry drive Frisco Texas seven five zero three five so thank

1338
02:10:26,880 --> 02:10:32,000
 you Commission we were here back in November as Ron mentioned and we got

1339
02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:35,840
 very good feedback from the commissioners and we had good feedback

1340
02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:41,160
 from the neighborhoods and we made a lot of changes several changes and we went

1341
02:10:41,160 --> 02:10:47,360
 back to the neighbors and we got another round of feedback from them and these

1342
02:10:47,360 --> 02:10:51,600
 were the feedback that we had received there were basically into four different

1343
02:10:51,600 --> 02:10:58,260
 categories now one was traffic the major concerns were laid out over there but it

1344
02:10:58,260 --> 02:11:01,760
 seemed like most of the concerns that were came out of the traffic were

1345
02:11:01,760 --> 02:11:07,280
 related to the intersection of mingle and mockingbird right and also on the

1346
02:11:07,280 --> 02:11:13,400
 south side on mockingbird and order not exactly adjacent to our property in

1347
02:11:13,400 --> 02:11:17,680
 front of mockingbird and then the second thing we heard about was the building

1348
02:11:17,680 --> 02:11:22,720
 heights and we have reduced that now only to two stories so all the neighbors

1349
02:11:22,720 --> 02:11:27,920
 were very pleasant to hear that that we are only going to do two story the third

1350
02:11:27,920 --> 02:11:33,040
 one was the drainage because some neighbors mentioned that there is always

1351
02:11:33,040 --> 02:11:37,800
 water on the west side of mockingbird on the south side of the mockingbird

1352
02:11:37,800 --> 02:11:43,360
 property line and what we have done is we have done a thorough civil floodplain

1353
02:11:43,360 --> 02:11:48,080
 study on that and we have included in the new site plan we have modeled the

1354
02:11:48,080 --> 02:11:52,760
 floodplain in the area to account for additional runoff so not only normal but

1355
02:11:52,760 --> 02:11:58,080
 we have also added some additional runoff to make that even better and then

1356
02:11:58,080 --> 02:12:04,400
 the fourth feedback we had received at that time was about on-site parking few

1357
02:12:04,400 --> 02:12:07,400
 neighbors mentioned it was too much parking few neighbors mentioned it was

1358
02:12:07,400 --> 02:12:14,600
 too less parking so in the new site plan as mentioned what we are doing is it is

1359
02:12:14,600 --> 02:12:18,760
 inside parking so it's all enclosed garages it's like single-family homes

1360
02:12:18,760 --> 02:12:24,520
 right parking is all enclosed and also all the drivers so that's those are the

1361
02:12:24,520 --> 02:12:29,360
 few changes that we made to make sure everything is taken for we do have a

1362
02:12:29,360 --> 02:12:34,000
 couple questions for you Mr. Beck thank you chair thank you mr. partner for your

1363
02:12:34,000 --> 02:12:37,860
 presentation thought I heard you said all your buildings are going to be two

1364
02:12:37,860 --> 02:12:43,320
 stories right because in your narrative it says most are all of them are two

1365
02:12:43,320 --> 02:12:49,760
 stories so are you saying now that all the buildings will be two story okay

1366
02:12:49,760 --> 02:12:56,200
 okay thank you had not seen other questions for you at this time we might

1367
02:12:56,200 --> 02:12:59,760
 have some later but thank you for your presentation thank you again this is a

1368
02:12:59,760 --> 02:13:02,480
 public hearing anyone wishing to speak may do so we'll go through the cards I

1369
02:13:02,480 --> 02:13:06,960
 have and then if they're getting more we can continue the first card I have is

1370
02:13:06,960 --> 02:13:11,120
 for Kimberly Wells and if you could just state your name and address for the

1371
02:13:11,120 --> 02:13:19,440
 record you'll have three minutes to speak hi my name is Kimberly Wells I live

1372
02:13:19,440 --> 02:13:27,300
 at 2933 Stockton Street I just wanted to come and voice my concerns I know many

1373
02:13:27,300 --> 02:13:33,960
 have been addressed and I do appreciate that when we do get responses but the

1374
02:13:33,960 --> 02:13:39,520
 parking situation still is a big concern to me Stockton runs right behind those

1375
02:13:39,520 --> 02:13:46,360
 apartments and so do some of the other neighborhoods and many of those multi

1376
02:13:46,360 --> 02:13:52,880
 family homes will have two or three bedrooms and they end up being occupied

1377
02:13:52,880 --> 02:13:57,400
 by students which I did when I was a student and each have a car and each

1378
02:13:57,400 --> 02:14:03,440
 have two you know significant others with cars and I just that's a big

1379
02:14:03,440 --> 02:14:07,280
 concern to me of if Stockton and the other neighborhoods are going to become

1380
02:14:07,280 --> 02:14:13,600
 parking for that area I know they said there would be parking for each lot but

1381
02:14:13,600 --> 02:14:20,560
 is that is it two car or do they park out on the street how much parking is

1382
02:14:20,560 --> 02:14:25,920
 available for each apartment that's that's one of my main concerns and the

1383
02:14:25,920 --> 02:14:30,560
 other which he talked about was the drainage Audra and all that does over

1384
02:14:30,560 --> 02:14:35,200
 flow a lot and I just don't want anything to make it worse when we go

1385
02:14:35,200 --> 02:14:44,040
 down where Audra hits mingo when we have significant rains that area becomes kind

1386
02:14:44,040 --> 02:14:49,160
 of overloaded so those are my main concern as I said I live directly below

1387
02:14:49,160 --> 02:14:54,840
 and I am pleased that the trees are going to be preserved and that it's been

1388
02:14:54,840 --> 02:14:59,600
 cut back to two stories but the parking is kind of my main concern when it

1389
02:14:59,600 --> 02:15:03,840
 overflows thank you perfect thank you as well as we have a question for you

1390
02:15:03,840 --> 02:15:08,720
 question question Sanchez when you say parking you live on Stockton I live on

1391
02:15:08,720 --> 02:15:14,960
 Stockton okay and so in order to come out from from the development or to get

1392
02:15:14,960 --> 02:15:19,040
 to the development you have to come on to mockingbird and then go to new stock it

1393
02:15:19,040 --> 02:15:26,000
 would just be a kind of a u-turn almost into from there into Stockton because

1394
02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:30,800
 they won't be able to park on mockingbird yes mockingbirds like there's

1395
02:15:30,800 --> 02:15:35,720
 no there's no parking there there's no parking they'd have to come out of the

1396
02:15:35,720 --> 02:15:40,760
 development and then drive all the way to Stockton well Stockton's right behind

1397
02:15:40,760 --> 02:15:45,280
 it yeah I know it's right behind it but it would still have the according to the

1398
02:15:45,280 --> 02:15:51,520
 what do you call it the entrance or the exit from from from the development it

1399
02:15:51,520 --> 02:15:56,020
 would go into mockingbird so they'd have to come in order to park some I'm

1400
02:15:56,020 --> 02:16:00,800
 wondering what how that would affect you say it's parking but I don't understand

1401
02:16:00,800 --> 02:16:06,480
 I'm saying when visitors come to that lot a lot of issues that come up when

1402
02:16:06,480 --> 02:16:12,520
 we talk about towing and things like that is how limited visitors are there

1403
02:16:12,520 --> 02:16:17,520
 so if you have a lot of visitors a lot of students a lot of people if they

1404
02:16:17,520 --> 02:16:23,240
 don't have enough parking not just for the house but for the visitors they're

1405
02:16:23,240 --> 02:16:27,760
 gonna where they will park is in those neighborhoods and I mean I brought up

1406
02:16:27,760 --> 02:16:31,960
 Stockton because mine is right there and you could park and then just walk right

1407
02:16:31,960 --> 02:16:37,040
 up it's the sidewalk into that area and then there's the neighborhood across the

1408
02:16:37,040 --> 02:16:42,880
 street so we're already pretty everybody on my neighborhood seems to own three to

1409
02:16:42,880 --> 02:16:48,920
 four trucks so good for them but we're already pretty sandwiched in on our

1410
02:16:48,920 --> 02:16:54,440
 street so that's just a concern that if they only allow one or two visitors

1411
02:16:54,440 --> 02:16:59,760
 parking spots and people have five or six people over where is that overflow

1412
02:16:59,760 --> 02:17:04,280
 parking where are they gonna park and I'm just worried it's gonna be in the

1413
02:17:04,280 --> 02:17:10,080
 neighborhoods that's just my main concern okay all right all right thank

1414
02:17:10,080 --> 02:17:14,200
 you miss Wells we'll make sure I will get an answer from the city we'll let

1415
02:17:14,200 --> 02:17:16,700
 other people speak we'll make sure we'll get an answer about the parking

1416
02:17:16,700 --> 02:17:20,600
 requirement you ask okay hang around we'll get an answer for you because some

1417
02:17:20,600 --> 02:17:23,880
 apartments have very different from others just as somebody who visits

1418
02:17:23,880 --> 02:17:28,920
 apartments they'll say you can't you know find a place to park outside my my

1419
02:17:28,920 --> 02:17:33,120
 parking complex so I just want to make sure that's not the case we'll get more

1420
02:17:33,120 --> 02:17:43,480
 clarification for you next car I have is for Sandra Williams and if you just

1421
02:17:43,480 --> 02:17:48,080
 state your name and address for the record you'll also have three minutes my

1422
02:17:48,080 --> 02:17:56,200
 name is my name is Sandra Williams I live at 3049 Brandywine Street I am not

1423
02:17:56,200 --> 02:18:02,400
 within the 500 foot impact but I live in the neighborhood on the east side of

1424
02:18:02,400 --> 02:18:08,720
 Mockingbird and I have two concerns number one what you call a drainage I

1425
02:18:08,720 --> 02:18:15,600
 call a creek when Bel Air was built about 15 years ago they cemented the

1426
02:18:15,600 --> 02:18:23,600
 drainage to allow the runoff to go on down but behind our neighborhood the

1427
02:18:23,600 --> 02:18:29,760
 drainage is not cemented or concrete and so I just wondered if the city is

1428
02:18:29,760 --> 02:18:36,760
 planning on keeping that drain clean so that when there is a heavy rain and to

1429
02:18:36,760 --> 02:18:43,520
 accommodate all the extra runoff from the apartments will will it go down the

1430
02:18:43,520 --> 02:18:50,200
 and keep flowing east or will it back up and flood my neighborhood my

1431
02:18:50,200 --> 02:18:54,960
 neighborhood was flooded I can't remember how many years ago but we had

1432
02:18:54,960 --> 02:19:00,640
 about five inches of rain in 12 hours and our streets were flooded now it

1433
02:19:00,640 --> 02:19:07,960
 didn't flood any homes it did flood the streets up to the top of the curbs so

1434
02:19:07,960 --> 02:19:12,360
 that was a concern and that doesn't have anything to do with the developer I'm

1435
02:19:12,360 --> 02:19:19,400
 just asking the city where you keep the creek clean so the water will run off my

1436
02:19:19,400 --> 02:19:28,040
 other concern was parking also I am I walk in the neighborhood and I see the

1437
02:19:28,040 --> 02:19:34,600
 traffic and I've walked out Audra where it goes east and west goes east toward

1438
02:19:34,600 --> 02:19:43,720
 loop 288 and there is a new addition the last five or ten years called Audra

1439
02:19:43,720 --> 02:19:48,160
 estates they have built luxury town they're not called town homes they're

1440
02:19:48,160 --> 02:19:56,080
 called duplexes and they each have a two-car garage but so many of them have

1441
02:19:56,080 --> 02:20:02,280
 been purchased and then leased out to different people like two to four people

1442
02:20:02,280 --> 02:20:07,480
 to an apartment with that many different cars and when I walked down the street I

1443
02:20:07,480 --> 02:20:13,680
 cannot walk down the sidewalk which was built for that reason for we could so we

1444
02:20:13,680 --> 02:20:18,600
 could walk I have taken a couple of pictures if you're interested in seeing

1445
02:20:18,600 --> 02:20:28,560
 the parking condition on Bayfield in front of the luxury townhomes because you

1446
02:20:28,560 --> 02:20:35,760
 cannot it this street is completely full and my pictures were taken after most of

1447
02:20:35,760 --> 02:20:39,840
 the people had left but you still cannot walk down the sidewalk set those right

1448
02:20:39,840 --> 02:20:43,560
 on that little target felt right there and then we can have the camera up above

1449
02:20:43,560 --> 02:20:50,240
 you turn on thank you so you can see that four cars in a driveway they have a

1450
02:20:50,240 --> 02:20:56,000
 garage but they're not using the garages evidently plus more cars on the street

1451
02:20:56,000 --> 02:20:58,760
 now I have another one

1452
02:20:58,760 --> 02:21:08,600
 it is and this was later in the day like after 8 o'clock maybe almost 9 and

1453
02:21:08,600 --> 02:21:14,420
 there's still that many cars on the street my son used to live in a

1454
02:21:14,420 --> 02:21:20,320
 neighborhood a condominium neighborhood he had to rent a garage but the garage

1455
02:21:20,320 --> 02:21:27,560
 wasn't deep enough for a full-size car or a pickup truck so he couldn't use the

1456
02:21:27,560 --> 02:21:32,680
 garage for anything but storage and he used the one allotted parking space out

1457
02:21:32,680 --> 02:21:38,040
 front so when we went to visit him from out of town you know and to spend the

1458
02:21:38,040 --> 02:21:43,120
 night we had to find a visitor spot there were only just a few visitor spots

1459
02:21:43,120 --> 02:21:49,600
 and if the visitor spots were empty when people were coming home from work they

1460
02:21:49,600 --> 02:21:53,820
 would use them for for themselves instead of allowing visitors so it was

1461
02:21:53,820 --> 02:21:59,760
 really difficult and sometimes we could park in front of the clubhouse but there

1462
02:21:59,760 --> 02:22:04,680
 were only about six spots there or we could park farther down toward the

1463
02:22:04,680 --> 02:22:09,680
 street and eventually some people were parking out on their street so that's a

1464
02:22:09,680 --> 02:22:16,160
 concern as I am thinking of mrs. Wells that they might end up parking on

1465
02:22:16,160 --> 02:22:22,920
 mockingbird or coming around the corner when people have visitors I appreciate

1466
02:22:22,920 --> 02:22:31,400
 you coming letting us know thank you next is Norman miss Ploy miss play I'm

1467
02:22:31,400 --> 02:22:41,400
 sorry miss play if you could just state your name and address for the record

1468
02:22:41,400 --> 02:22:46,800
 you also have three minutes my name is Norman display live at 2921 Stockton

1469
02:22:46,800 --> 02:22:55,640
 Street which is directly I guess we consider it east of the proposed

1470
02:22:55,760 --> 02:23:02,080
 multifamily use that they're going to be putting in there a couple of three concerns about it

1471
02:23:02,080 --> 02:23:06,800
 number one in a process of building these they're going to have to widen

1472
02:23:06,800 --> 02:23:10,520
 mockingbird in order for the trucks to come in and out and everything else has

1473
02:23:10,520 --> 02:23:14,760
 that been addressed as to what they're going to be handling there because of

1474
02:23:14,760 --> 02:23:19,440
 the traffic that handles mockingbird that goes up and down that area come from

1475
02:23:19,440 --> 02:23:24,640
 mocking comes from Stockton Street which is directly east of there and then the

1476
02:23:24,640 --> 02:23:29,800
 rest of the places that are going be able to take care of that and then the

1477
02:23:29,800 --> 02:23:35,400
 building is going to be two stories high and I think they said 118 buildings in

1478
02:23:35,400 --> 02:23:39,720
 that particular area that means a lot of drainage and everything else with that

1479
02:23:39,720 --> 02:23:44,640
 drainage be going into the culvert that is there and the other thing I was

1480
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:49,880
 looking at is right behind our house there is a tree line that goes on the

1481
02:23:49,880 --> 02:23:56,120
 north side that we'd like to have the tree line to stay there if possible

1482
02:23:56,120 --> 02:23:59,640
 because that breaks a lot of wind that comes down through that area into the

1483
02:23:59,640 --> 02:24:04,560
 houses and rattles the fences or blows them down or everything else and maybe

1484
02:24:04,560 --> 02:24:09,560
 the shingles and like to know if that tree line can stay there as protection

1485
02:24:09,560 --> 02:24:14,400
 for the houses that rear the houses that are on Stockton Street that are right up

1486
02:24:14,400 --> 02:24:19,360
 next to that culvert that's right there for the drainage and be sure and just be

1487
02:24:19,360 --> 02:24:23,120
 sure that when it does heavy rain that it handles everything that's coming in

1488
02:24:23,120 --> 02:24:27,760
 with that many people coming in and those houses being worked on and

1489
02:24:27,760 --> 02:24:31,240
 everything else then that means that there may be some things that could

1490
02:24:31,240 --> 02:24:35,680
 happen where the drainage doesn't always come off and may take a while while

1491
02:24:35,680 --> 02:24:39,600
 they're doing this in order for that to be taken care and handled is you know

1492
02:24:39,600 --> 02:24:43,680
 they're going to be working with that and handling that and then the other

1493
02:24:43,680 --> 02:24:47,440
 thing is since there's going to be so many people coming into that area and a

1494
02:24:47,440 --> 02:24:51,400
 lot of cars and everything what about police trafficking are they going to be

1495
02:24:51,400 --> 02:24:55,880
 watching the highway over there much more than what they normally do and we

1496
02:24:55,880 --> 02:24:58,920
 also have railroad tracks that come across there which goes through mingle

1497
02:24:58,920 --> 02:25:04,340
 and comes across Mockingbird which is right now and sometimes during the day

1498
02:25:04,340 --> 02:25:07,760
 and in the evening that's a traffic hazard in some areas that you have to be

1499
02:25:07,760 --> 02:25:11,960
 real careful about are they addressing that is that going to be included in

1500
02:25:11,960 --> 02:25:15,280
 this or is that going to be taken on by the city at a different time or a

1501
02:25:15,280 --> 02:25:19,400
 different area and these are some of the things that we're looking at there the

1502
02:25:19,400 --> 02:25:22,960
 people that I've talked to would like to keep the tree line there they want to be

1503
02:25:22,960 --> 02:25:28,000
 sure that we're going to have everything taken care of and the people that are

1504
02:25:28,000 --> 02:25:32,480
 coming in and who and then who's going to run that area there who's the

1505
02:25:32,480 --> 02:25:35,400
 management people they're going to be taking care of it and who's the managers

1506
02:25:35,400 --> 02:25:39,280
 are there are they willing to meet with the people that are there so we can be

1507
02:25:39,280 --> 02:25:42,960
 sure that we all work together as a team and not individually to the point where

1508
02:25:42,960 --> 02:25:47,000
 we're trying to get out everybody else we want to work together we don't mind

1509
02:25:47,000 --> 02:25:51,600
 people coming in or anything like that but we want to work together and again

1510
02:25:51,600 --> 02:25:56,040
 is the parking situation I've been down Stockton Street either early in the

1511
02:25:56,040 --> 02:25:59,000
 morning or late in the evening when the people come home and the people live in

1512
02:25:59,000 --> 02:26:02,960
 there there's a lot of houses in there that ran out rooms to college students

1513
02:26:02,960 --> 02:26:07,800
 and everything and they parked and again like the picture showed that she had you

1514
02:26:07,800 --> 02:26:14,720
 do have the highway I'm going to use her picture she doesn't mind right here if

1515
02:26:14,720 --> 02:26:17,600
 there are sidewalks that are blocked through there so it is hard to go

1516
02:26:17,600 --> 02:26:21,200
 walking or anything like that especially for the children that are there that

1517
02:26:21,200 --> 02:26:24,960
 are coming in because that's parked they have to walk outside or go around the

1518
02:26:24,960 --> 02:26:28,560
 cars puts them in the street that could be a dangerous thing for small children

1519
02:26:28,560 --> 02:26:34,160
 and we need to be looking at all of that I think any questions at all I do not

1520
02:26:34,160 --> 02:26:37,240
 see any questions but I appreciate being here and yes sir

1521
02:26:37,240 --> 02:26:42,720
 Commissioner Sanchez I believe that is against a law for them to park and block

1522
02:26:42,720 --> 02:26:50,760
 that isn't it I I know I have a tenant that parked like that and I was and he

1523
02:26:50,760 --> 02:26:54,200
 was he was warned by the code enforcement that they're not supposed to

1524
02:26:54,200 --> 02:26:59,080
 be parking that blocking the sidewalks okay with this many people coming in and

1525
02:26:59,080 --> 02:27:03,680
 everything like it is even now on Stockton Street especially we notice a

1526
02:27:03,680 --> 02:27:06,620
 lot of people that are parking like that they're trying real hard but the way

1527
02:27:06,620 --> 02:27:11,240
 that the situation is set now some of those garages are not sitting for back

1528
02:27:11,240 --> 02:27:15,460
 far enough to park in four cars sometimes not even two cars especially if

1529
02:27:15,460 --> 02:27:19,500
 you have a ram charger pickup or anything like that and it's still gonna

1530
02:27:19,500 --> 02:27:23,960
 stick out in that area so that's still a concern because we have a lot of

1531
02:27:23,960 --> 02:27:29,760
 children especially couples coming in young children out you want to walk and

1532
02:27:29,760 --> 02:27:33,360
 stuff like that we might not look out for them we want to be on the curse on

1533
02:27:33,360 --> 02:27:36,920
 the careful side of that and this is the other thing that we're looking at to be

1534
02:27:36,920 --> 02:27:42,600
 sure that everything that we work with is working cooperatively we understand

1535
02:27:42,600 --> 02:27:46,520
 that they want to build housings there and multi units that's well and fine

1536
02:27:46,520 --> 02:27:53,320
 let's be sure we got all the all our T's crossed all our I's dot as we go into

1537
02:27:53,320 --> 02:27:56,560
 this and these things need to be addressed before they start building or

1538
02:27:56,560 --> 02:28:01,040
 they get it taken care of so we understand exactly what's going on I

1539
02:28:01,040 --> 02:28:05,880
 missed the meetings that they had I'll be honest with you I worked a lot but

1540
02:28:05,880 --> 02:28:10,400
 that's beside the point the point of it is that we look at this objectively and

1541
02:28:10,400 --> 02:28:14,340
 be sure that everything that is done that can be done and I'm sure that the

1542
02:28:14,340 --> 02:28:17,520
 people building these houses have got a lot of things on their mind and they're

1543
02:28:17,520 --> 02:28:21,280
 looking at the same time but you still got material coming in you got a lot of

1544
02:28:21,280 --> 02:28:25,080
 trucks coming up and down mockingbird and that's not a very big street as it

1545
02:28:25,080 --> 02:28:28,760
 is number two there's only two instances into the area where they're talking

1546
02:28:28,760 --> 02:28:32,160
 about so they're probably going to have to enlarge those areas in order to get

1547
02:28:32,160 --> 02:28:35,960
 trucks in and out and materials in and out at the same time there's only two

1548
02:28:35,960 --> 02:28:39,560
 ways you can get into that place when I was by that house is there the other

1549
02:28:39,560 --> 02:28:46,080
 ones down by another little what used to be watch house or a house that worked

1550
02:28:46,080 --> 02:28:50,160
 with gardening or whatever to go into that area which means that they do that

1551
02:28:50,160 --> 02:28:54,360
 and they're going to enlarge it and that also means that that drainage is comes

1552
02:28:54,360 --> 02:28:56,920
 down through there that goes into the fire we have to look and be sure that's

1553
02:28:56,920 --> 02:29:03,800
 all tied in any other questions I did not see any thank you very much thank you

1554
02:29:03,800 --> 02:29:15,040
 very much thank you for coming out next go to have us for Linda good off I need

1555
02:29:15,040 --> 02:29:18,280
 to state your name and address for the record you'll have three minutes thank

1556
02:29:18,280 --> 02:29:23,160
 you my name is Linda good away I live at 3001 Oakshire Street thank you for the

1557
02:29:23,160 --> 02:29:27,280
 opportunity to speak and I apologize for being late I'm actually coming out of a

1558
02:29:27,280 --> 02:29:31,760
 PTA meeting so I'm actually the president of the PTA for Alexander

1559
02:29:31,760 --> 02:29:37,920
 Alexander Elementary School so I am proud of my community very involved I

1560
02:29:37,920 --> 02:29:45,840
 happen to be located within that 500 foot area my subdivision has one

1561
02:29:45,840 --> 02:29:51,000
 entrance one exit and we already have issues with traffic backing up when

1562
02:29:51,000 --> 02:29:56,400
 there's a train cars lining either side of the street so that fire engines

1563
02:29:56,400 --> 02:30:02,800
 ambulances have a tough time entering and exiting I think the potential for

1564
02:30:02,800 --> 02:30:09,080
 building this project will bring at least 200 more cars onto a two-lane road

1565
02:30:09,080 --> 02:30:17,240
 that does not have sidewalks I cannot walk when I lived I moved here in 2006

1566
02:30:17,240 --> 02:30:23,360
 from Austin I walked four miles every day and it was safe I was around Zilker

1567
02:30:23,360 --> 02:30:29,320
 Park I was in a very congested busy area I can leave my subdivision if I cross

1568
02:30:29,320 --> 02:30:35,080
 Mockingbird and go over into the Bel Air addition they have sidewalks but that

1569
02:30:35,080 --> 02:30:40,560
 would require me crossing that very busy street I'd like to remind everyone we

1570
02:30:40,560 --> 02:30:47,680
 had a death in October of 2018 of an esteemed member of our community who was

1571
02:30:47,680 --> 02:30:53,360
 crossing Audra just four tenths of a mile north of the woodlands he was

1572
02:30:53,360 --> 02:30:57,800
 walking his dogs he was trying to cross Audra trying to get back home he was

1573
02:30:57,800 --> 02:31:03,560
 killed he was struck by a vehicle and he and his dogs were killed I know several

1574
02:31:03,560 --> 02:31:10,480
 years ago on Audra close to loop 288 we also do not have sidewalks there so

1575
02:31:10,480 --> 02:31:14,340
 there's no way I can even make a walk around the block with my kids my dogs

1576
02:31:14,340 --> 02:31:19,840
 safely because there's not sidewalks for me to do that on there was a young boy

1577
02:31:19,840 --> 02:31:26,320
 who was struck by a vehicle on his bike he survived but I just I am very

1578
02:31:26,320 --> 02:31:31,520
 sensitive to the fact that our kids our family are in danger with the

1579
02:31:31,520 --> 02:31:36,520
 infrastructure the way it is so I'm not opposed to the development but I really

1580
02:31:36,520 --> 02:31:40,920
 would love to see infrastructure I felt like we waited very patiently while the

1581
02:31:40,920 --> 02:31:45,000
 Bel Air addition was installed I was hoping that we would get sidewalks

1582
02:31:45,000 --> 02:31:54,640
 completed on Audra and on Mockingbird I'd also like to remind you that Mockingbird

1583
02:31:54,640 --> 02:32:01,820
 and then Mingo flood so when we have a heavy rain it floods so it's going to

1584
02:32:01,820 --> 02:32:06,640
 cause whoever resides in this development to maybe not be able to get

1585
02:32:06,640 --> 02:32:10,640
 home when we have a heavy rain so there needs to be improvements on both

1586
02:32:10,640 --> 02:32:15,480
 Mockingbird and Mingo additionally I'm sure you all have traveled down Mingo

1587
02:32:15,480 --> 02:32:20,960
 when there was a train and you see how far the traffic backs up it's a hazard

1588
02:32:20,960 --> 02:32:28,760
 because again that's a two-lane road no sidewalks there either thank you so much

1589
02:32:28,760 --> 02:32:32,360
 for being here and thanks for your service to the schools Christian for not

1590
02:32:32,360 --> 02:32:36,920
 has a question yeah I just kind of wanted to ask real quick I hadn't really

1591
02:32:36,920 --> 02:32:41,440
 made the connection of where exactly this was Roddy was a friend of mine thank

1592
02:32:41,440 --> 02:32:45,240
 you and I just wanted to ask if you're all in the community have made any

1593
02:32:45,240 --> 02:32:50,160
 efforts petitioning City Council about getting sidewalks in your area to improve

1594
02:32:50,160 --> 02:32:56,000
 the safety you know we have not and I want to say I just assumed it was in the

1595
02:32:56,000 --> 02:33:00,460
 plan you know I just assumed that when you work with the developers to increase

1596
02:33:00,460 --> 02:33:03,840
 the density of the housing population that you're also working on the

1597
02:33:03,840 --> 02:33:08,320
 infrastructure I think in the presentation it said that Mockingbird

1598
02:33:08,320 --> 02:33:13,020
 Mingo they're not they're not up to the code for the amount of traffic that they

1599
02:33:13,020 --> 02:33:19,720
 receive currently so why would we impose over 200 additional cars on those roads

1600
02:33:19,720 --> 02:33:26,520
 so yes that would be my next step to to go to City Council but I just I feel

1601
02:33:26,520 --> 02:33:30,200
 like we kind of got orphaned over there you know that there's a lot of

1602
02:33:30,200 --> 02:33:36,680
 improvement going on in other areas of the city and we just got left behind the

1603
02:33:36,680 --> 02:33:40,360
 elementary school my kids go to was known as Robert E. Lee it's one of the

1604
02:33:40,360 --> 02:33:45,360
 older elementary schools in Denton we are a title one elementary school and if

1605
02:33:45,360 --> 02:33:50,120
 you look at the district zoning map we probably have the smallest radius around

1606
02:33:50,120 --> 02:33:55,000
 the elementary school of any elementary school in Denton ISD and the reason is

1607
02:33:55,000 --> 02:34:02,680
 the volume of multi-family homes it's very densely populated

1608
02:34:02,680 --> 02:34:10,680
 Tricia Sanchez so let me get you live it in the woodlands no I don't live in the

1609
02:34:10,680 --> 02:34:15,280
 woodlands but the pedestrian death I was speaking of happened in the driver's

1610
02:34:15,280 --> 02:34:21,640
 way of the Ann Wendell school and it was four tenths of a mile from the woodlands

1611
02:34:21,640 --> 02:34:26,240
 which is a recent fairly recent multi-family development right right right

1612
02:34:26,240 --> 02:34:31,600
 so so where actually do you live so I live on the corner of mockingbird and

1613
02:34:31,600 --> 02:34:38,400
 Oakshire Street okay okay yes yeah that whole area doesn't have sidewalks no we

1614
02:34:38,400 --> 02:34:43,840
 really need them because so much traffic comes in and out okay I just want to

1615
02:34:43,840 --> 02:34:49,000
 make sure we're thank you thank you and and may I also say even over in the

1616
02:34:49,000 --> 02:34:53,280
 Bel Air edition where there are sidewalks kids play football in the

1617
02:34:53,280 --> 02:34:57,320
 street they play basketball we don't have a park we don't have a shared play

1618
02:34:57,320 --> 02:35:01,880
 space so our streets right now are actually serving as the playground for

1619
02:35:01,880 --> 02:35:12,440
 our children unfortunately Ron are you aware of City Council's form they have

1620
02:35:12,440 --> 02:35:18,560
 for requesting sidewalks council member Briggs had recently posted that I was

1621
02:35:18,560 --> 02:35:23,000
 wondering if if not I can sidebar with Miss Godoy to get her that there is a

1622
02:35:23,000 --> 02:35:28,640
 public form where you can request a sidewalk like petition process we can

1623
02:35:28,640 --> 02:35:34,180
 certainly provide that to mr. yeah sorry I think that's the lowest barrier to

1624
02:35:34,180 --> 02:35:38,040
 entry to get in front of council on sidewalk provisions so I'd certainly at

1625
02:35:38,040 --> 02:35:40,560
 least fill out that form online so a council member will follow up with you

1626
02:35:40,560 --> 02:35:46,260
 about what steps would take to hopefully build some sidewalk infrastructure thank

1627
02:35:46,260 --> 02:35:53,800
 you Ron I do not see any thank you so much for your time thank you that's the

1628
02:35:53,800 --> 02:35:56,880
 last card I had but this is a public hearing anyone wishing to speak may

1629
02:35:56,880 --> 02:36:01,720
 certainly do so is there anyone else wishing to speak you may certainly do

1630
02:36:01,720 --> 02:36:10,800
 so if you just can come to the mic and state your name and address for the

1631
02:36:10,800 --> 02:36:21,560
 record my name is Nancy Carson and I live at 2908 Oakshire and I just have

1632
02:36:21,560 --> 02:36:27,640
 some questions from things that were said tonight so could I ask those you

1633
02:36:27,640 --> 02:36:30,440
 certainly ask those and then we'll I'm getting a list and I think the other

1634
02:36:30,440 --> 02:36:33,980
 commissioners are as well to make sure all those questions that are asked can

1635
02:36:33,980 --> 02:36:39,160
 be addressed as best as possible okay I'd like to know how many bedrooms are

1636
02:36:39,160 --> 02:36:49,160
 going to be in these units and if they'll all be the same or a variety if

1637
02:36:49,160 --> 02:36:52,840
 you just is that the only question you have no I have another one let's list

1638
02:36:52,840 --> 02:36:56,640
 those questions and I'll call the okay and I'd like to know if there's going to

1639
02:36:56,640 --> 02:37:07,080
 be a site manager or a resident manager on the property and I'd like to know how

1640
02:37:07,080 --> 02:37:20,040
 far the railroad track is from the property line any other questions I had

1641
02:37:20,040 --> 02:37:32,880
 more let's say oh I think Ron mentioned a low density that they had when they

1642
02:37:32,880 --> 02:37:39,240
 were planning this they decided to lower the density so I wanted to ask about

1643
02:37:39,240 --> 02:37:47,440
 that what did they lower it to or they lowered it just under 12 it's a 11 point

1644
02:37:47,440 --> 02:37:54,680
 nine units per acre okay so it's under the 12 units per acre that the zoning I

1645
02:37:54,680 --> 02:37:59,720
 thought it already was 12 that was why I was asked in the question they came at

1646
02:37:59,720 --> 02:38:03,200
 last year with the proposal that has significantly more than 12 per acre

1647
02:38:03,200 --> 02:38:08,120
 they've refined their application and brought it back this evening with it

1648
02:38:08,120 --> 02:38:11,760
 reduced under the 12 okay thank you and I'll make sure we get the other

1649
02:38:11,760 --> 02:38:16,720
 questions if possible so thank you for those questions thank you is there

1650
02:38:16,720 --> 02:38:21,800
 other individuals wishing to speak on this item this is a public hearing

1651
02:38:21,800 --> 02:38:25,880
 anyone wishing to speak we certainly do so

1652
02:38:25,880 --> 02:38:39,280
 so seeing no other comments I'll go ahead and close the public hearing and

1653
02:38:39,280 --> 02:38:44,360
 turn it to the dais for motion or questions and I certainly have some

1654
02:38:44,360 --> 02:38:47,600
 questions for city and the applicant to address but we'll let Commissioner back

1655
02:38:47,600 --> 02:38:52,640
 go thank you chair yeah I would like the owner to come back up and address the

1656
02:38:52,640 --> 02:38:58,520
 parking if you could and if you've got your site plan if you could put that up

1657
02:38:58,520 --> 02:39:04,760
 for us because I I'm looking at it and it's not real clear how parking is I

1658
02:39:04,760 --> 02:39:10,240
 think I've got a good idea but I'd like you to demonstrate how parking is going

1659
02:39:10,240 --> 02:39:30,320
 to occur within okay you've got 11 buildings correct okay and I see those

1660
02:39:30,320 --> 02:39:34,840
 so is the parking going to be in between the buildings

1661
02:40:00,480 --> 02:40:08,560
 can you turn the mic just yeah sorry so the example that was given here on this

1662
02:40:08,560 --> 02:40:13,560
 one I have visited the property personally and it's a dead-end street

1663
02:40:13,560 --> 02:40:21,560
 and there are 78 units in less than five acres and I would never do that it's a

1664
02:40:21,560 --> 02:40:26,680
 dead-end there is no other way to go that's the only street you can park 78

1665
02:40:26,680 --> 02:40:31,000
 times two okay but I need you to address your parking if you would what that that

1666
02:40:31,000 --> 02:40:37,320
 area you're showing to is to the east of all these units here they're not there's

1667
02:40:37,320 --> 02:40:41,520
 no street connection to it so I'm not sure how anybody get away to walk it

1668
02:40:41,520 --> 02:40:45,760
 unless they got up on the order and walked over but if you would show us how

1669
02:40:45,760 --> 02:40:50,080
 your units are going to allow for parking

1670
02:40:52,840 --> 02:40:56,760
 absolutely yeah you just state your name and address so we have my name is Patrick

1671
02:40:56,760 --> 02:41:01,160
 I'm with Kirkman engineering my address is 4821 Merlot Avenue in grapevine Texas

1672
02:41:01,160 --> 02:41:05,280
 I've got a list of questions here I could probably really help make some

1673
02:41:05,280 --> 02:41:11,600
 clarification there yeah if we could address Mr. Beck's question on parking

1674
02:41:11,600 --> 02:41:19,280
 each this will really function like a town can you sit your plane yeah this is

1675
02:41:19,280 --> 02:41:23,280
 really what I'd like to show here and this is a detail of each driveway

1676
02:41:23,280 --> 02:41:28,160
 location or any the square here is going to be the unit you can see the interior

1677
02:41:28,160 --> 02:41:33,040
 garage there in a driveway and so each particular unit can house four cars

1678
02:41:33,040 --> 02:41:36,640
 it's got four parking stalls assigned to each unit and we worked pretty

1679
02:41:36,640 --> 02:41:40,080
 extensively with staff on that because that really exceeds the parking

1680
02:41:40,080 --> 02:41:44,840
 requirement to a point where we had to add more trees or reduce parking those

1681
02:41:44,840 --> 02:41:50,600
 were our options or or pay for them and so we work with staff to kind of make

1682
02:41:50,600 --> 02:41:58,320
 the the unique clarification of that this doesn't really function as a

1683
02:41:58,320 --> 02:42:03,480
 multifamily product and these parks are valuable and will serve for the for the

1684
02:42:03,480 --> 02:42:07,480
 betterment of the community to go back to the point that is brought up on the

1685
02:42:07,480 --> 02:42:12,880
 duplex community down the road is it's a public street and public right away this

1686
02:42:12,880 --> 02:42:17,400
 is a private development which can be policed significantly better than that

1687
02:42:17,400 --> 02:42:24,880
 the public road development allows on on Street Park that's well within the

1688
02:42:24,880 --> 02:42:29,080
 rules and the law this would be against the rules if someone wants parks on the

1689
02:42:29,080 --> 02:42:32,320
 fire lane that that's against the law and you've got people on site that can

1690
02:42:32,320 --> 02:42:37,960
 can police that and maintain that so that and there there's guest parking per

1691
02:42:37,960 --> 02:42:44,560
 the city code like I said beyond that so the calculations that's been done is per

1692
02:42:44,560 --> 02:42:50,120
 its per unit per bedroom based on the size of the unit the unit based on the

1693
02:42:50,120 --> 02:42:54,760
 size of the bedrooms or the number of bedrooms and then you add on 10% for

1694
02:42:54,760 --> 02:42:59,080
 visitor parking and we way exceeded that number to a point where we had to work

1695
02:42:59,080 --> 02:43:04,800
 with staff to come up with a compromise there that is parking I guess we could

1696
02:43:04,800 --> 02:43:07,240
 we could address the questions as you like or I could run through the list of

1697
02:43:07,240 --> 02:43:11,840
 questions I heard from the residents real quick and then yeah if you would do

1698
02:43:11,840 --> 02:43:17,200
 that yeah since here there's gonna be approximately 118 units that's great

1699
02:43:17,200 --> 02:43:23,640
 that's 118 bedrooms that's 118 units individually school units we've got one

1700
02:43:23,640 --> 02:43:30,440
 two and three bedrooms correct and the site plan itself in the site data table

1701
02:43:30,440 --> 02:43:36,280
 here let list each lot in the number of units in each one and then I think the

1702
02:43:36,280 --> 02:43:41,760
 majority of my three-bedroom and there's two-bedroom on on lot two okay yeah if

1703
02:43:41,760 --> 02:43:49,200
 you would go ahead yeah okay yeah sure I think we can get clear up a lot of the

1704
02:43:49,200 --> 02:43:53,080
 confusion here so parking is like we discussed I mean I think we went way

1705
02:43:53,080 --> 02:43:58,680
 above and beyond on the parking drainage I understand that the the property is

1706
02:43:58,680 --> 02:44:02,840
 wet now it's got floodplain on it we're working to not even to mitigate that

1707
02:44:02,840 --> 02:44:07,320
 really to remap it when that concrete channel was put in they remapped a

1708
02:44:07,320 --> 02:44:12,080
 portion of the floodplain they didn't remap the entire floodplain that concrete

1709
02:44:12,080 --> 02:44:15,640
 channel holds the majority of the floodplain so we will remap that and then

1710
02:44:15,640 --> 02:44:21,320
 mitigate what we don't that the concrete channel does not hold so you you know the

1711
02:44:21,320 --> 02:44:25,120
 the drainage may be bad now from a standpoint of water standing around

1712
02:44:25,120 --> 02:44:29,800
 we'll create a scenario that significantly improves that you know and

1713
02:44:29,800 --> 02:44:33,920
 I understand the concept of well we're adding all these buildings we're out in

1714
02:44:33,920 --> 02:44:37,240
 all this concrete we're going to increase runoff absolutely 100% correct

1715
02:44:37,240 --> 02:44:41,840
 but what we will do is increase the time it takes for it to get for rain to hit

1716
02:44:41,840 --> 02:44:45,400
 the ground get in the channel and out of the system instead of letting it hit the

1717
02:44:45,400 --> 02:44:49,600
 ground build up get saturated fill the channel up while everything upstream of

1718
02:44:49,600 --> 02:44:53,320
 the channel fills up the channel and those thing to peaks meet at the same

1719
02:44:53,320 --> 02:44:57,040
 time so there's a there's a peak on peak phenomenon that is an engineering

1720
02:44:57,040 --> 02:45:00,400
 discussion and so we'll get in and out of the system well before that peak

1721
02:45:00,400 --> 02:45:03,760
 comes through and so the overall drainage of the property should increase

1722
02:45:03,760 --> 02:45:07,920
 or should be improved when we come in and with this development and you know

1723
02:45:07,920 --> 02:45:11,720
 you don't have to believe me there's we've got a flood study that proves that

1724
02:45:11,720 --> 02:45:21,560
 and well the city will require that of us so that's drainage so trees I'm sure

1725
02:45:21,560 --> 02:45:24,760
 you guys have seen a number of tree mitigation plans or preservation plans

1726
02:45:24,760 --> 02:45:30,880
 we that this site was particularly difficult and there are a number of

1727
02:45:30,880 --> 02:45:34,600
 trees on the site and we're required to preserve a number of them there's a

1728
02:45:34,600 --> 02:45:39,280
 bunch of really really nice old mature trees and we want to preserve them as

1729
02:45:39,280 --> 02:45:43,120
 much as anybody and we're required to preserve a number of them which we're

1730
02:45:43,120 --> 02:45:46,560
 doing and then the ones that we can't preserve we're required to mitigate for

1731
02:45:46,560 --> 02:45:51,800
 and and we're far exceeding that to that point the trees that run along the

1732
02:45:51,800 --> 02:45:55,800
 north edge of that open drainage you'd be able to salvage that and use that as

1733
02:45:55,800 --> 02:46:02,480
 part of your absolutely I'm not here to commit that I can absolutely do that the

1734
02:46:02,480 --> 02:46:06,320
 design the engineering hasn't been done on that but I mean you're gonna have a

1735
02:46:06,320 --> 02:46:10,800
 15-foot barrier there anyway so those trees could absolutely serve part of it

1736
02:46:10,800 --> 02:46:14,280
 yes I mean we want the barriers as much as anybody we want the natural trees

1737
02:46:14,280 --> 02:46:17,880
 just as much as anybody and that is absolutely a high priority for us and

1738
02:46:17,880 --> 02:46:21,240
 it's part of our tree mitigation plan so we're anticipating that being the case

1739
02:46:21,240 --> 02:46:32,000
 okay that was trees having a hard time reading my hand right in here oh the

1740
02:46:32,000 --> 02:46:36,080
 again on the public chain of the channel and the maintenance of that it's a public

1741
02:46:36,080 --> 02:46:39,280
 channel it's not on our property it's completely off our property it'll be

1742
02:46:39,280 --> 02:46:46,560
 maintained and up and by the by the city they'll that's really kind of out of a

1743
02:46:46,560 --> 02:46:50,520
 lot of these issues are out of our control and out of our purview really

1744
02:46:50,520 --> 02:46:59,360
 so how many I guess I'm trying to stay in order here drainage trees so police

1745
02:46:59,360 --> 02:47:06,400
 trafficking I you know I'm not sure we've got a real large control that we

1746
02:47:06,400 --> 02:47:11,160
 will have on-site management that that will manage the multifamily development

1747
02:47:11,160 --> 02:47:14,280
 like any other one if there's issues that they will be in contact with the

1748
02:47:14,280 --> 02:47:18,600
 police they'll be you know well the managers actually live there or just be

1749
02:47:18,600 --> 02:47:35,000
 there during working hours there was a concern about how construction gets in

1750
02:47:35,000 --> 02:47:41,800
 and out of the site I have I'm fortunate enough to be deal a lot with development

1751
02:47:41,800 --> 02:47:46,200
 and construction and there will be a one construction entrance there may be two

1752
02:47:46,200 --> 02:47:49,280
 access points to the site right now there'll be there'll be one point of

1753
02:47:49,280 --> 02:47:53,960
 access that'll be built per you know standards of the city and and regional

1754
02:47:53,960 --> 02:47:58,320
 standards that show how to create a construction entrance trucks get in and

1755
02:47:58,320 --> 02:48:02,180
 out pretty freely it's going to create debris on the road that will have to be

1756
02:48:02,180 --> 02:48:05,480
 maintained and cleaned up and you know periodically that that's part of this

1757
02:48:05,480 --> 02:48:08,560
 process and it's part of any construction process it'll be done just

1758
02:48:08,560 --> 02:48:19,200
 like any other the sidewalks the lack of sidewalks in the adjacent neighborhoods

1759
02:48:19,200 --> 02:48:23,360
 I really can't do a whole lot to address address that concern but one of the

1760
02:48:23,360 --> 02:48:29,640
 things that has been required of us is along with the expansion of mockingbird

1761
02:48:29,640 --> 02:48:33,360
 or the inclusion inclusion of two D cell lanes for each one for each of our

1762
02:48:33,360 --> 02:48:36,960
 drivers an eight-foot sidewalk is required along our entire frontage and

1763
02:48:36,960 --> 02:48:41,760
 so you know that that should help out some of the sidewalk situation as much

1764
02:48:41,760 --> 02:48:44,840
 as we possibly can it was yeah that was another question y'all are gonna be

1765
02:48:44,840 --> 02:48:50,760
 required to put sidewall okay we connect to Stockton I believe we don't connect

1766
02:48:50,760 --> 02:48:55,560
 to Stockton oh that's right the drink right so we'll take it to the limits of

1767
02:48:55,560 --> 02:49:01,080
 our of our site and beyond that it's right away and other private brought I

1768
02:49:01,080 --> 02:49:10,140
 forgot about the open right there so more flooding and like was discussed

1769
02:49:10,140 --> 02:49:14,760
 before a lot of the concerns were the traffic on you know adjacent areas on

1770
02:49:14,760 --> 02:49:18,800
 mockingbird and mingo and on Audra there's there's very little I think we

1771
02:49:18,800 --> 02:49:24,080
 we can do we've done a traffic study and I know Ron mentioned that with all three

1772
02:49:24,080 --> 02:49:29,160
 of the thoroughfares in that area are not built to ultimate conditions that is

1773
02:49:29,160 --> 02:49:32,960
 true but they are operating within a reasonable standard at this time the

1774
02:49:32,960 --> 02:49:39,760
 traffic study shows that in that the way that process typically works in my mind

1775
02:49:39,760 --> 02:49:44,640
 and you know maybe city staff can correct me is that when there's not

1776
02:49:44,640 --> 02:49:48,520
 really a major need there until there until you get those level service that

1777
02:49:48,520 --> 02:49:52,960
 are operating in a function that aren't servicing the neighborhoods and you know

1778
02:49:52,960 --> 02:49:56,120
 that that's that's kind of where we're at we're making the improvements to

1779
02:49:56,120 --> 02:50:01,800
 mockingbird where we can but the adjacent areas are really outside of our

1780
02:50:01,800 --> 02:50:13,680
 control don't yeah I think that's so I'm gonna just I think one of the questions

1781
02:50:13,680 --> 02:50:17,920
 the distance from the railroad tracks was that address and if you can use this

1782
02:50:17,920 --> 02:50:22,280
 Patrick to illustrate it shows your site plan a little relationship to the

1783
02:50:22,280 --> 02:50:26,880
 railroad yes sir so these are the railroad tracks way up here in gray I

1784
02:50:26,880 --> 02:50:31,720
 believe I you don't get me lying but I'm happy to measure it and give an exact

1785
02:50:31,720 --> 02:50:34,920
 distance but you can see that I think there's a hundred foot right away here

1786
02:50:34,920 --> 02:50:38,680
 for the railroad and the railroad tracks are generally in the middle of the

1787
02:50:38,680 --> 02:50:43,480
 railroads it looks like about 50 feet here and then you know another 30 feet

1788
02:50:43,480 --> 02:50:47,320
 to the closest building here and you know you see a significant difference

1789
02:50:47,320 --> 02:50:52,240
 distance here from the railroad the railroad certainly a concern of ours and

1790
02:50:52,240 --> 02:50:58,240
 you know it's sometimes it's difficult to lease space for people to live in

1791
02:50:58,240 --> 02:51:03,360
 near a railroad and they're not quiet they are a burden and it's something we

1792
02:51:03,360 --> 02:51:08,720
 will certainly have to deal with we do have another question from Chris or

1793
02:51:08,720 --> 02:51:14,120
 Sanchez sure are you targeting us students or you get be targeting

1794
02:51:14,120 --> 02:51:21,240
 families I think with three bedrooms and two bedrooms mostly we are looking at

1795
02:51:21,240 --> 02:51:27,480
 families but again the market decides that but we'll be targeting both so you're

1796
02:51:27,480 --> 02:51:32,440
 gonna be renting by the by the apartment not by the room right that is correct is

1797
02:51:32,440 --> 02:51:39,240
 that correct okay to show us thank you chair I know a TIA was done do you know

1798
02:51:39,240 --> 02:51:46,800
 what that study revealed yes yes I don't have here with me but it so we did an

1799
02:51:46,800 --> 02:51:50,320
 original TIA if you remember back in November when we were before you there

1800
02:51:50,320 --> 02:51:55,720
 were three driveways and so a little different modification to Mockingbird

1801
02:51:55,720 --> 02:51:59,640
 Road and so that TIA was specifically took into account for those three

1802
02:51:59,640 --> 02:52:03,840
 driveways and the diesel lanes and the traffic movements and that's

1803
02:52:03,840 --> 02:52:08,640
 configuration the TIA has been revised to accommodate or to show the two

1804
02:52:08,640 --> 02:52:12,960
 driveways and the level of service so it's like a it's like a letter score

1805
02:52:12,960 --> 02:52:19,280
 grade a is good E is unfunctionable and I and I think the all the roads that are

1806
02:52:19,280 --> 02:52:25,560
 mockingbird and mingo were both in the B range do you remember numbers

1807
02:52:25,560 --> 02:52:31,680
 generation I don't know I'm not happy to provide the report to you I know see

1808
02:52:31,680 --> 02:52:37,880
 staff has it and we can provide that information you sure back thank you

1809
02:52:37,880 --> 02:52:44,600
 chair just we're here to vote on especially use permits so my question

1810
02:52:44,600 --> 02:52:49,160
 isn't really pertinent to that but if you mind me asking if you mind sharing

1811
02:52:49,160 --> 02:52:55,520
 what kind of price range are you looking at for your apartments close to around

1812
02:52:55,520 --> 02:53:03,800
 $2,000 for a month I'm sorry for a month per unit yeah because the okay one

1813
02:53:03,800 --> 02:53:10,160
 bedroom would go for one unit one unit will be around $2,000 per month right

1814
02:53:10,160 --> 02:53:18,400
 what do you call in a unit oh we have one three bedroom will be one unit okay

1815
02:53:18,400 --> 02:53:22,560
 so three bedroom would go for 2,000 that is correct and two bedroom would

1816
02:53:22,560 --> 02:53:27,080
 obviously be a little bit less okay yeah okay so the maximum no it's gonna be

1817
02:53:27,080 --> 02:53:31,240
 three bedroom and around 2,000 that is correct okay thank you appreciate you

1818
02:53:31,240 --> 02:53:38,580
 sharing it I don't see any other questions this time so the public

1819
02:53:38,580 --> 02:53:42,800
 hearing has been closed we've got a lot of questions answered certainly if

1820
02:53:42,800 --> 02:53:46,200
 there's any more we can we can have the discussion but the chair would would

1821
02:53:46,200 --> 02:53:50,600
 look to have a motion and discussion around the motion at this time

1822
02:53:50,600 --> 02:53:56,760
 Christian back I'm gonna go ahead and move to approve this he has met the

1823
02:53:56,760 --> 02:54:01,380
 criteria by right he can build there I understand the concern about the extra

1824
02:54:01,380 --> 02:54:07,240
 traffic that's gonna occur there but it's it's gonna occur regardless that

1825
02:54:07,240 --> 02:54:11,560
 spot won't stay empty forever the concern about any parking on Monking

1826
02:54:11,560 --> 02:54:15,720
 Bird should be a moot issue they're just it's prohibited for anybody to park

1827
02:54:15,720 --> 02:54:19,360
 there they would park at their own risk if they did so I don't see that being a

1828
02:54:19,360 --> 02:54:23,520
 problem and based on what he's shown us he's meeting the parking requirements

1829
02:54:23,520 --> 02:54:28,400
 and then some I would be surprised if you saw any parking taking place on the

1830
02:54:28,400 --> 02:54:33,520
 other streets here so I think he's gone out of his way to accommodate the

1831
02:54:33,520 --> 02:54:38,440
 neighborhood as best he can and I'm gonna go ahead and move to approve and

1832
02:54:38,440 --> 02:54:42,400
 Christian back for clarification are you recommending approval with conditions

1833
02:54:42,400 --> 02:54:45,940
 with the condition yes thank you we have a first for approval with

1834
02:54:45,940 --> 02:54:53,560
 conditions Commissioner Sanchez I second it I'd like to state and the reason I

1835
02:54:53,560 --> 02:54:58,240
 I'd like to mean that their apartments and they're gonna have some I know one

1836
02:54:58,240 --> 02:55:03,640
 of the big concerns was are they gonna have on-site management and they

1837
02:55:03,640 --> 02:55:07,960
 are and these are going to be apartments as opposed to I know we were shown some

1838
02:55:07,960 --> 02:55:13,520
 pictures about those condos down the down the road and I don't know if they

1839
02:55:13,520 --> 02:55:19,400
 have on-site management there so I yeah there's a big difference and those I've

1840
02:55:19,400 --> 02:55:23,920
 been through there and when I first saw him I was appalled that something like

1841
02:55:23,920 --> 02:55:30,400
 that was allowed because they it just didn't seem to me all the cars on the

1842
02:55:30,400 --> 02:55:33,400
 middle of the road on the side of the road and there were people couldn't

1843
02:55:33,400 --> 02:55:37,640
 drive through those roads through those through that street so I think what

1844
02:55:37,640 --> 02:55:44,320
 we're seeing all the concessions they've done bringing it from down to 12 units

1845
02:55:44,320 --> 02:55:49,640
 per acre is a lot of concessions there is some issues with with

1846
02:55:49,640 --> 02:55:57,240
 Audra and mingo and what's it mockingbird but I think I think those are

1847
02:55:57,240 --> 02:56:01,960
 gonna be those also going to be addressed you know in the future but I

1848
02:56:01,960 --> 02:56:10,120
 think they're doing an honest effort to to create some little be acceptable

1849
02:56:10,120 --> 02:56:16,440
 there in that area we have a first and a second for approval with conditions

1850
02:56:16,440 --> 02:56:21,920
 commissioner pernetta yeah I just wanted to say a few words on this one I want to

1851
02:56:21,920 --> 02:56:24,880
 thank the developer and everything for taking all the suggestions that came

1852
02:56:24,880 --> 02:56:30,280
 out of the last time you were here there was a lot of opposition to what you guys

1853
02:56:30,280 --> 02:56:34,000
 had been planning on doing and the fact that you got the number of units and

1854
02:56:34,000 --> 02:56:38,320
 everything down you know within the zoning showed you know a great deal of

1855
02:56:38,320 --> 02:56:44,080
 conscientiousness you know we had the questions about how parking would be

1856
02:56:44,080 --> 02:56:48,520
 impacted on this one and my mother-in-law lives not too far from there

1857
02:56:48,520 --> 02:56:53,800
 so I'm kind of used to driving around those areas and have seen that based on

1858
02:56:53,800 --> 02:56:57,960
 the plan that he's kind of presented and everything the entry paths into the

1859
02:56:57,960 --> 02:57:02,640
 community it seemed like they might mitigate the desire for other people to

1860
02:57:02,640 --> 02:57:06,880
 park you know and surrounding areas because it looks like it'd be kind of a

1861
02:57:06,880 --> 02:57:12,440
 inconvenient walk to go back from you know the adjacent blocks into there so I

1862
02:57:12,440 --> 02:57:17,320
 think that's a good thing for mitigation one of the other things I do hope you

1863
02:57:17,320 --> 02:57:22,760
 guys do you know is petition the city for sidewalks because I completely

1864
02:57:22,760 --> 02:57:26,840
 sympathize with that and I know a lot of the challenges that people face

1865
02:57:26,840 --> 02:57:31,200
 especially when you have a lot of children in that area so that doesn't

1866
02:57:31,200 --> 02:57:34,760
 fall into the purview of what we're doing here but you know by all means

1867
02:57:34,760 --> 02:57:37,640
 please seek that out because I would like to see that happen for your

1868
02:57:37,640 --> 02:57:46,960
 community thank you any other discussion on the item the only thing I would say

1869
02:57:46,960 --> 02:57:51,440
 is I'd echo Commissioner Pereta's thoughts I think there's some legitimate

1870
02:57:51,440 --> 02:57:56,520
 concerns from the neighborhood that that need to be addressed I hope they do get

1871
02:57:56,520 --> 02:58:00,880
 addressed with the sidewalks and a lot of other things but I I don't know the

1872
02:58:00,880 --> 02:58:03,900
 extent in which the developers being should be held responsible for that and

1873
02:58:03,900 --> 02:58:08,440
 I appreciate the feedback unfortunately it's not very often that the Commission

1874
02:58:08,440 --> 02:58:13,680
 here pushes back the developer responds with with such consideration to the

1875
02:58:13,680 --> 02:58:16,440
 neighborhood and the the feedback from the Commission so I appreciate that

1876
02:58:16,440 --> 02:58:20,880
 y'all coming back and being persistent to to take that land and make use of it

1877
02:58:20,880 --> 02:58:32,040
 but seeing no other discussion I'll call for a vote on the board motion carries

1878
02:58:32,040 --> 02:58:37,840
 six zero congratulations then real fast staff wanted to say something I just

1879
02:58:37,840 --> 02:58:41,560
 wanted to add on the sidewalk issue I know we have your your contact

1880
02:58:41,560 --> 02:58:47,000
 information I do know that there is a project funded through the through the

1881
02:58:47,000 --> 02:58:51,560
 COG Council of Governments it's a federally federally funded for

1882
02:58:51,560 --> 02:58:56,480
 improvement of the sidewalk network around the school and I know that

1883
02:58:56,480 --> 02:59:00,000
 there's a there's a portion of Audra I believe that's it that's part of that

1884
02:59:00,000 --> 02:59:04,960
 federally funded project I think it has a completion date of 2020 but we'll get

1885
02:59:04,960 --> 02:59:08,480
 all of that information send it to you and then we'll make sure that the

1886
02:59:08,480 --> 02:59:11,640
 Commission's also copied on it so just wanted to

1887
02:59:17,000 --> 02:59:28,160
 I think you have valid questions right now the forum this is not the

1888
02:59:28,160 --> 02:59:31,560
 appropriate forum but Ron's right behind you and I think that would be a great

1889
02:59:31,560 --> 02:59:35,640
 sidebar conversation he's the expert and so he can help you out thanks again for

1890
02:59:35,640 --> 02:59:43,120
 coming out that moves us to our closing item the planning and zoning matrix I'll

1891
02:59:43,120 --> 02:59:46,480
 first turn it to Richard for any clarification and then to the

1892
02:59:46,480 --> 02:59:50,680
 Commission for any additions the only item that that I wanted to update on

1893
02:59:50,680 --> 02:59:55,160
 here I know we have a lot of to be determined so we're trying to get some

1894
02:59:55,160 --> 03:00:11,560
 of those some of those items square squared up with some dates I know in the

1895
03:00:11,560 --> 03:00:17,760
 matrix were sort of down to down to four items with a lot of to be determined the

1896
03:00:17,760 --> 03:00:24,080
 item the small area plans I know we will come come back to that the the

1897
03:00:24,080 --> 03:00:28,800
 discussion item on maintaining the upland habitat habitats long term I know

1898
03:00:28,800 --> 03:00:33,800
 Deborah sort of spoke to that we also talked to her earlier we're gonna put a

1899
03:00:33,800 --> 03:00:38,840
 date of May with respect to that that's when she's planning on having the

1900
03:00:38,840 --> 03:00:43,680
 criteria manual presented in front of us so we'll just include a sort of a longer

1901
03:00:43,680 --> 03:00:47,480
 work session to ensure all of the questions are addressed as part of that

1902
03:00:47,480 --> 03:00:52,680
 some of the other items will again we'll start working on I know the the urban

1903
03:00:52,680 --> 03:00:57,860
 forest master plan that's getting ready to be kicked off so I did speak to Gary

1904
03:00:57,860 --> 03:01:03,200
 he wanted it to get a little bit further down down the road as far as getting at

1905
03:01:03,200 --> 03:01:07,760
 least it kicked off and then come back with sort of an update with respect to

1906
03:01:07,760 --> 03:01:13,480
 that just wanted to update you on a couple items from council last night the

1907
03:01:13,480 --> 03:01:19,840
 the tree code was was adopted the accessory dwelling cabana if you recall

1908
03:01:19,840 --> 03:01:28,520
 that was also approved as was the car wash the the SGP for the auto hail place

1909
03:01:28,520 --> 03:01:32,840
 across from City Hall that item was postponed the applicant was not there so

1910
03:01:32,840 --> 03:01:36,000
 they postponed the item until the applicant could be there they had some

1911
03:01:36,000 --> 03:01:41,120
 questions and the Audra Heights rezoning I think we saw some images

1912
03:01:41,120 --> 03:01:48,880
 tonight of the phase one that phase two that townhouse the rezoning to to

1913
03:01:48,880 --> 03:01:53,200
 increase that lot coverage that was denied by council last night and so just

1914
03:01:53,200 --> 03:01:57,840
 wanted to give a quick update on those items I'm sorry Audra Heights is the one

1915
03:01:57,840 --> 03:02:03,280
 on the north side of order down there the loop it correct so where the town

1916
03:02:03,280 --> 03:02:07,560
 homes were it was sort of if you take where it would dead end if you just loop

1917
03:02:07,560 --> 03:02:12,360
 that around right on the other on the east side they were planning I think it

1918
03:02:12,360 --> 03:02:19,960
 was 89 townhomes okay that was that was denied so it was denied it was it was

1919
03:02:19,960 --> 03:02:28,240
 denied okay so really they're there they're gonna read regroup and they have

1920
03:02:28,240 --> 03:02:31,360
 they really have two choices they can continue you know they went through

1921
03:02:31,360 --> 03:02:36,600
 preliminary plot they can continue with their with their their move forward with

1922
03:02:36,600 --> 03:02:41,260
 the final plat which would be brought back to or in front of in front of the

1923
03:02:41,260 --> 03:02:45,080
 Commission and then when they're ready to build it would either be a smaller

1924
03:02:45,080 --> 03:02:50,360
 footprint or they could go up to three stories or they could replat to larger

1925
03:02:50,360 --> 03:02:54,640
 lots but but really their impetus for it for the change if you recall was to

1926
03:02:54,640 --> 03:03:00,560
 increase the lot coverage from 60% to 80% and just to give you an idea that

1927
03:03:00,560 --> 03:03:08,160
 those that townhome project those were built to code and at 60 percent lot

1928
03:03:08,160 --> 03:03:12,880
 coverage that gives you any idea of kind of what that what that looks like are

1929
03:03:12,880 --> 03:03:17,280
 they aware of the consolidation of zoning can't they just wait six months

1930
03:03:17,280 --> 03:03:23,600
 and do what they want are they aware I mean they are but we still had we had

1931
03:03:23,600 --> 03:03:28,160
 part of that not really that discussion last night we were looking to have it at

1932
03:03:28,160 --> 03:03:34,520
 the next DC RC as to when a request for again this will be a policy decision

1933
03:03:34,520 --> 03:03:38,080
 that will have to be made as we get through the DDC update and adoption of

1934
03:03:38,080 --> 03:03:44,200
 the map but when there is a rezoning request denied should we then just

1935
03:03:44,200 --> 03:03:49,560
 automatically up up zone them if they were just denied less than less than a

1936
03:03:49,560 --> 03:03:53,600
 month and so that was something that that we had brought up didn't get into

1937
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 that discussion but I I'm sure it will be part of a discussion at the next DC RC

1938
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 and ultimately as we as we move it through adoption great thanks for the

1939
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 update because your Alice thank you first Richard thank you for updating us

1940
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 on council I love that so let's keep that going yeah I think that's a great

1941
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 idea yeah because sometimes you know we can't always watch the meetings or we

1942
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 don't have time to go back and watch the video so yeah thank you for that I guess

1943
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 with regard I don't know if this is a matrix item probably not but maybe just

1944
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 more food for thought for staff so just like when we saw Ryan Rhodes a neglect

1945
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 on that road and Hickory Creek and and everything that's that going on there

1946
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 with development this same area that we discussed tonight isn't exactly that same

1947
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 maybe worse because there's so much density there we have had so much

1948
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 activity with regard to zoning changes and SUPs and development going on at all

1949
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 that intersection that high density and nothing is being done with those roads

1950
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 and it's not even on the city's plan anywhere right now so I know with Ryan

1951
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 somehow you got that kind of moving I think we kind of need that to happen

1952
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 here as well yeah and we had a we have a sort of a bi-weekly meeting with with

1953
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 with the city manager and one of things he wanted to make sure we start

1954
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 including in our reports is since traffic really both both here and at

1955
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 City Council is always the biggest item point of discussion is to start to

1956
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 include just just an it you know a section on planned traffic improvements

1957
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 and and just to have that as part of that as part of that decision tree if you

1958
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 will and so as we start to move forward with with more of these requests we'll

1959
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 start to start to include that I can tell you for that for the Ryan Road

1960
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 Hickory Creek area that that study that feasibility study has started in fact we

1961
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 met on Monday morning with the consultant team to really just look at

1962
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 land use in the area and and and sort of projected growth to really look at sort

1963
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 of the 2040 potential build out to ensure that that really that planning

1964
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 is truly being done in conjunction with those traffic improvements improving

1965
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 that the network overall but yes we'll we'll include that so I have a couple

1966
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 things one Margie stole my things but the update from council fantastic thank

1967
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 you that's really helpful because I'm always not always but I'm sometimes

1968
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 curious with whatever happened to the other thing is is whoever added the

1969
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 addresses to the feedback notices on our map was really helpful to know a lot of

1970
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 these individuals who spoke we already had their addresses and so it's easy to

1971
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 see exactly where they were identify the map so I appreciate that extra efforts

1972
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 where it's possible I'm sure some maps will get really cluttered but it worked

1973
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 tonight and I appreciate that the only thing that I wanted to bring up for the

1974
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 matrix or to talk about is carrying on the torch or Chairman strange is there

1975
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 any momentum on looking at the economics of a project when it comes to us and

1976
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 there's an article in the paper about our sales tax dollars decreasing and so I

1977
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 think it's relevant to understand the actual impact of the city of a

1978
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 development coming in whether it's mixed-use potential sales tax revenue or

1979
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 household property tax revenue so I'd love to continue that pushing the

1980
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 conversation to see when we're looking at projects the actual economics or

1981
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 projected economics that have to the city I think would help complete as we

1982
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 look at traffic and we're looking at like a complete picture of what our

1983
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 city's doing I think that would be helpful yeah in fact that that's another

1984
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 at right right now we were looking at including that with with rezoning since

1985
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 it really is requesting more than what's what's permitted by right what we have

1986
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 we have one being done now for a project that's actually for a voluntary

1987
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 annexation and so as part of what they submitted we had asked that that they

1988
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 they provide us with a a sort of benefit cost benefit or economic analysis so we

1989
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 can really start to understand what it would cost to serve if you will that

1990
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 really came out at a council meeting both it was a charge from from the from

1991
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 the city manager as well as in council brought that up if you remember the

1992
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 rezoning and SUP for the mobile home community off of off of McKinney and so

1993
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 those are those are things we're starting to work back in included and

1994
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 just coming up with it with those criteria I know finance has been

1995
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 working on sort of a model just trying to plug those numbers in so we can just

1996
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 better inform everyone so that that will be coming in also in the near future

1997
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 great fantastic anyone else want to add anything to the matrix or have any

1998
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 talking points all right with that so you know further discussion I'll close

1999
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 the meeting at 759