WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.920 >> That sounds cool though, right? 00:00:04.920 --> 00:00:06.520 >> Good morning. 00:00:06.520 --> 00:00:08.160 We're on. 00:00:08.160 --> 00:00:11.000 >> Good morning. 00:00:11.000 --> 00:00:16.400 >> Welcome to this broadcast of the Mobility Committee meeting 00:00:16.400 --> 00:00:18.280 at 9 a.m. at March 20th. 00:00:18.280 --> 00:00:19.920 We have a quorum present. 00:00:19.920 --> 00:00:24.680 Before we dive into items for individual consideration, 00:00:24.680 --> 00:00:29.080 I just want to comment that I went to a community meeting 00:00:29.080 --> 00:00:32.400 that staff held regarding an item that's coming up, 00:00:32.400 --> 00:00:38.920 and I just want to really praise staff for their diligence 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:42.920 and creativity and for the community's interest 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:46.280 in coming together to, you know, resolve what seemed 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:48.240 like an irresolvable dispute. 00:00:48.240 --> 00:00:49.880 We'll get to talk about it later, 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:55.200 but I just think it was a great moment for Denton. 00:00:55.200 --> 00:00:59.960 So I'll start with the item A, consider approval 00:00:59.960 --> 00:01:02.280 of the Mobility Committee meeting minutes of February 12th. 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:04.520 >> I move approval. 00:01:04.520 --> 00:01:07.080 >> I don't think, I don't know if I can second or. 00:01:07.080 --> 00:01:07.520 >> You can second. 00:01:07.520 --> 00:01:07.720 >> Sure. 00:01:07.720 --> 00:01:10.560 >> I'll second. 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:13.440 And move on to item B. 00:01:13.440 --> 00:01:15.440 >> Okay. Let's just leave them at that. 00:01:15.440 --> 00:01:17.360 >> Oh, so it's. 00:01:17.360 --> 00:01:17.800 >> So moved. 00:01:17.800 --> 00:01:19.040 >> All in favor? 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:19.360 >> Aye. 00:01:19.360 --> 00:01:22.200 >> Aye. Thank you. 00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:25.960 >> I'm glad we got through the controversial items. 00:01:25.960 --> 00:01:29.160 Item B, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding updates 00:01:29.160 --> 00:01:31.600 in the Denton County Transportation Authority. 00:01:31.600 --> 00:01:33.320 We do have a blue card wishing to speak, 00:01:33.320 --> 00:01:38.320 so let's hear the presentation and then take it from there. 00:01:38.320 --> 00:01:38.600 >> Sure. 00:01:38.600 --> 00:01:39.800 >> And thank you so much for joining us. 00:01:39.800 --> 00:01:40.200 >> Thank you. 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:41.280 My name's Nicole Recker. 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:44.800 I'm the Vice President of Marketing Communications for DCTA. 00:01:44.800 --> 00:01:46.760 I am here in lieu of Sarah Begheri, 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:49.440 who was unable to make the meeting today. 00:01:49.440 --> 00:01:52.040 So I will provide the committee with just a brief 00:01:52.040 --> 00:01:56.160 update of some of the things that we are doing at DCTA. 00:01:56.160 --> 00:01:59.400 Locally specifically, the Thinline Film Festival is 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:04.000 coming up, and DCTA is providing a free ride program 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:08.560 from April 10th to April 13th on both our A-Train service 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:12.040 as well as our Connect bus service with the event to one, 00:02:12.040 --> 00:02:14.640 help with parking mitigation, but also to encourage those 00:02:14.640 --> 00:02:18.000 to use transit to get to all the different locations. 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:20.720 Similarly, like we did for last year's Denton Arts 00:02:20.720 --> 00:02:23.560 and Jazz Festival, we are providing a shuttle service. 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:25.880 Last year, we provided a shuttle service that hubbed 00:02:25.880 --> 00:02:27.880 out of our Med Park station. 00:02:27.880 --> 00:02:31.800 We did hear feedback that it'd be great if there was a north 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:35.280 location for a park and ride, so we are identifying those 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:39.600 locations right now, but we do hope to provide 30-minute 00:02:39.600 --> 00:02:43.840 headway frequency for shuttle service for the event on 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:46.840 Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, as well as complimentary 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:50.080 A-Train service to encourage folks to take the train up, 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:52.400 'cause we do know that parking is an issue. 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:55.280 In addition, with Denton Arts and Jazz, we have been 00:02:55.280 --> 00:02:58.400 working with the city, the Civic Center will be closed 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:01.800 that Saturday, that is the Saturday during early voting, 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:05.560 so we are working with the city to create some materials 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:08.400 that showcase how individuals can use our existing routes 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:12.080 from Quaker Town Park to get to additional early voting 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:15.440 locations, and so we will work in tandem with the city 00:03:15.440 --> 00:03:18.960 to make sure that people have a lot of opportunity there. 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:23.120 We are in the process right now of our August 2019 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:27.320 service changes, these service changes will be pretty big 00:03:27.320 --> 00:03:31.800 in DCTA history, we are looking at increasing our midday 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:35.160 A-Train frequency, so a lot of the feedback that we hear 00:03:35.160 --> 00:03:37.880 from the community is that they need more options 00:03:37.880 --> 00:03:42.120 for transit on the A-Train during that lunchtime break, 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:45.080 and so we are looking and currently modeling that, 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:47.800 we have run tests on that midday train service, 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:50.880 and so we hope to go ahead and add that in using 00:03:50.880 --> 00:03:53.720 our existing operating budget, we will take that out 00:03:53.720 --> 00:03:57.120 to the public in May for feedback, and then make any 00:03:57.120 --> 00:03:59.800 adjustments or modifications necessary to that service 00:03:59.800 --> 00:04:02.200 so that we can go ahead and launch that in conjunction 00:04:02.200 --> 00:04:04.560 with the start of school in August. 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:06.160 So that's a pretty big change. 00:04:06.160 --> 00:04:10.840 Looking ahead, in January 2020, we will also conduct 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:12.840 some service changes, and that's where we're primarily 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:17.080 looking at the Denton Connect bus service in ways 00:04:17.080 --> 00:04:22.080 that we can institute on-demand zones in the area 00:04:22.080 --> 00:04:24.920 to provide more real-time service, make it a little bit 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:27.280 more cost-effective, and so those are things 00:04:27.280 --> 00:04:28.840 that we're currently looking at right now, 00:04:28.840 --> 00:04:31.080 but then we will start to model once those August 00:04:31.080 --> 00:04:33.000 service changes go into effect. 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:39.120 From a more of a regional and agency perspective, 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:42.680 we are meeting all of our deadlines with positive 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:46.040 train control, which is the EATC system that we use 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:48.760 for a safety mechanism along our A train. 00:04:48.760 --> 00:04:53.720 It forces operators to maintain the proper speeds 00:04:53.720 --> 00:04:57.480 that are necessary, make sure that crossing systems 00:04:57.480 --> 00:04:59.400 are working appropriately, things of that nature, 00:04:59.400 --> 00:05:02.360 and so that is a federally mandated initiative. 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:05.280 We are the first in Texas to be fully operating 00:05:05.280 --> 00:05:08.800 that PTC system in revenue service demonstration 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:12.920 on our entire line, so nationwide, we're in the top third 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:16.360 of agencies who are meeting that federal mandate, 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:19.680 and so currently, you might see or you might have heard 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:22.800 that we are running trains on Sunday, and that is, 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:26.000 those are not passenger trains, those, we're actually 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:29.120 running those to test that PTC system, so we're almost 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:32.000 complete with that revenue service demonstration, 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:34.040 and then we'll be able to go ahead and put that 00:05:34.040 --> 00:05:37.360 into our normal operating schedule, and we're slated 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:39.560 right now that probably summer of next year 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:43.720 is when the FRA will certify our PTC system, 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:46.640 so we're well ahead of the curve, which is quite 00:05:46.640 --> 00:05:50.520 a big accomplishment for agencies across the nation. 00:05:50.520 --> 00:05:53.880 And then lastly, we will be hosting some transportation 00:05:53.880 --> 00:05:56.960 forums, we're slating them for late summer of this year, 00:05:56.960 --> 00:06:00.520 and that's really an opportunity for us to gather 00:06:00.520 --> 00:06:03.600 stakeholders, decision makers within the entire region 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:07.360 along the I-35E corridor to talk about not only 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:09.960 mobility solutions, but also economic development 00:06:09.960 --> 00:06:13.880 opportunities in ways that we can really spur business 00:06:13.880 --> 00:06:16.640 and mobility solutions with the increasing boom 00:06:16.640 --> 00:06:20.080 that's happening in this area, so certainly we will 00:06:20.080 --> 00:06:22.000 be working with the City of Denton to ensure 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:24.840 that those invites are sent out, potentially have 00:06:24.840 --> 00:06:26.600 a speaker from the City of Denton to come and sit 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:28.600 on our panel, and so we're really looking forward 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:31.360 to that opportunity and spearheading that discussion. 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:37.040 - I wonder if, if you might be able, 00:06:37.040 --> 00:06:39.760 for the items that, where you're looking for public, 00:06:39.760 --> 00:06:42.160 for the public to know, like the forums, 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:45.600 the support for rides to the poles, 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:48.480 the participation with the Thinline Festival, 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:50.360 there's, if you have press releases-- 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:51.560 - Yes, we do. 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:54.040 - And maybe go into the Friday report? 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:55.680 Yeah, oh, great, okay, 'cause-- 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:59.000 - And they work very, sorry, they work very closely 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:01.120 with our Public Communications Office to make sure 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:04.560 that that's not only advertised, that we kind of co-market 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:06.320 those programs and activities, so it'll be 00:07:06.320 --> 00:07:07.240 in the Friday pack. 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:10.240 - I just know council members help spread the word too. 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:11.080 - Absolutely. 00:07:11.080 --> 00:07:16.360 - Any comments before we take a public comment, or? 00:07:16.360 --> 00:07:25.000 - Is it too early to comment on the trails opening day? 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:26.080 - No, absolutely. 00:07:26.080 --> 00:07:27.200 - Just to kind of get it out there a little bit? 00:07:27.200 --> 00:07:28.040 - Yeah, absolutely. 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:29.840 - Since it's coming up soon, would you make a comment? 00:07:29.840 --> 00:07:33.160 - Sure, so April 13th, which is a Saturday, 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:36.640 is the National Opening Trails Day. 00:07:36.640 --> 00:07:39.000 There is a national website that exists, 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:42.480 and we are, DCTA is partnering with the city of Denton, 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:44.200 the city of Highland Village, the city of Lewisville, 00:07:44.200 --> 00:07:48.840 as well as Lake Dallas, Corinth, to kind of host 00:07:48.840 --> 00:07:53.200 that opening day on the rail trail, 00:07:53.200 --> 00:07:55.700 which is almost complete, that 21 miles that runs 00:07:55.700 --> 00:07:58.040 from Denton all the way down to Trinity Mills. 00:07:58.040 --> 00:07:59.760 There's a portion between the Highland Village, 00:07:59.760 --> 00:08:02.120 Lewisville Lake Station, and the Old Town Station 00:08:02.120 --> 00:08:04.520 that is not complete, but is under construction. 00:08:04.520 --> 00:08:06.080 And so we're working with all of the cities. 00:08:06.080 --> 00:08:08.240 All the cities are going to have representation 00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:10.000 out on the trail. 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:12.080 We are partnering to kind of get the word out, 00:08:12.080 --> 00:08:14.440 let people know it's just an opportunity to learn 00:08:14.440 --> 00:08:17.280 about that amenity that is provided. 00:08:17.280 --> 00:08:19.840 We have a lot of folks right now that use it for walking, 00:08:19.840 --> 00:08:23.640 running, strolling with their children, 00:08:23.640 --> 00:08:25.800 access to our A train stations. 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:28.200 And so we're partnering with all of the cities 00:08:28.200 --> 00:08:31.000 along that corridor to spearhead that event. 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:33.880 And so there will be a tent set up at each 00:08:33.880 --> 00:08:37.120 of kind of the trailhead locations along that trail, 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:39.800 starting in Denton and then all the way down 00:08:39.800 --> 00:08:42.160 to the Highland Village, Lewisville Lake Station. 00:08:42.160 --> 00:08:44.240 And so we encourage people to come on out. 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:46.320 It starts at nine o'clock in the morning. 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:48.600 We will share information with the city of Denton 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:50.320 so that they can share that. 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:52.880 That's coming probably at the end of this week. 00:08:52.880 --> 00:08:54.680 So we're really excited about the event. 00:08:54.680 --> 00:08:58.080 It's the first time that we are participating 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:00.680 in this national event, and we're just really excited 00:09:00.680 --> 00:09:01.760 about it. 00:09:01.760 --> 00:09:02.920 - Awesome. - Thank you. 00:09:02.920 --> 00:09:04.360 - You're welcome. 00:09:04.360 --> 00:09:06.560 - We do have a blue card wishing to speak. 00:09:06.560 --> 00:09:08.120 If you'll come up to the podium, 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:09.520 state your name and address. 00:09:09.520 --> 00:09:12.040 Your time will begin. 00:09:12.040 --> 00:09:16.720 Let's go with four minutes, speaker's option. 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:19.080 I mean, chair's option. 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:22.480 - Good morning. 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:26.280 Diana Leggett, 1019 Aline Street, here in Denton. 00:09:26.280 --> 00:09:30.120 As you know, I'm running for city council district three. 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:33.560 And I'm really glad that I get to be here with DCTA 00:09:33.560 --> 00:09:36.840 because this is exactly what I wanted to talk about. 00:09:36.840 --> 00:09:39.640 As you know, I'm block walking in my district. 00:09:39.640 --> 00:09:43.520 And I grew up in a city that has incredible rapid 00:09:43.520 --> 00:09:48.360 transportation, multimodal, 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:53.360 and everything from trolley cars to little tiny vans 00:09:53.360 --> 00:09:55.360 that go buzzing around neighborhoods. 00:09:56.280 --> 00:10:01.280 The people in my neighborhood are not happy with DCTA, 00:10:01.280 --> 00:10:03.560 and they want to be. 00:10:03.560 --> 00:10:05.720 They want to be more involved with what's going on 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:07.120 at Razor Ranch. 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:11.080 And I think it would be very simple to change some routes 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:14.840 for the UNT Discovery bus, and maybe I think it's route seven. 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:18.400 And this is around the University of Malone, 00:10:18.400 --> 00:10:21.440 Ector, Bonnie Bray area. 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:24.120 Because as you know, our parks are getting upgraded, 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:25.400 which is wonderful. 00:10:25.400 --> 00:10:29.680 But there's so many new amenities at Razor Ranch, 00:10:29.680 --> 00:10:31.960 and they just feel like they can't access them, 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:34.760 particularly those that have limited transportation. 00:10:34.760 --> 00:10:37.160 So I thought it would be a nice thing to bring up, 00:10:37.160 --> 00:10:40.640 and I know you'd incorporate it in your plan. 00:10:40.640 --> 00:10:41.480 - Absolutely. 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:43.560 - That's all I have to say. 00:10:43.560 --> 00:10:44.560 Thank you very much. 00:10:44.560 --> 00:10:48.160 - Citizen action right here, awesome. 00:10:48.160 --> 00:10:49.000 Thank you. 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:52.280 All right, so welcome, John. 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:57.640 Let's move on to item C. 00:10:57.640 --> 00:10:59.880 Oh, wait, do we have anything for John? 00:10:59.880 --> 00:11:01.960 Do you have anything that I'd like to say? 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:05.240 Based on your study of the comments 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:07.480 that I'm sure you were listening to somehow on the way, 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:10.040 that DCTA, there is a way to do that. 00:11:10.040 --> 00:11:12.000 - There's not a way to do that. 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:14.160 We're on the net, we're not on the radio. 00:11:14.160 --> 00:11:17.320 - I'll just share with you that it was a really charming 00:11:17.320 --> 00:11:23.480 presentation of some great things coming up 00:11:23.480 --> 00:11:27.320 with related to safety and public forums 00:11:27.320 --> 00:11:29.160 and support for rights to the polls 00:11:29.160 --> 00:11:30.520 and participation in thin line 00:11:30.520 --> 00:11:33.000 and two things too numerous to mention. 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:34.520 But if there's anything you wanted to ask 00:11:34.520 --> 00:11:37.760 while we have Ms. Rucker here, we're good. 00:11:37.760 --> 00:11:39.760 - Mr. Chairman, may I say one statement about DCTA? 00:11:39.760 --> 00:11:41.200 - Please. 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:43.160 - We just, while Nicole's here, 00:11:43.160 --> 00:11:45.480 I do want to send a shout out to her and her team. 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:47.840 We had a conference call last Friday 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:50.160 with the coordinators of Arts and Jazz Fest 00:11:50.160 --> 00:11:54.520 about the remote parking over at Med Park 00:11:54.520 --> 00:11:56.320 and the shuttle and the train service. 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:59.240 So I believe last year was the first year 00:11:59.240 --> 00:12:00.320 we've incorporated that. 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:03.240 So we're starting to get numbers last year 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:05.120 and hopefully this year will be better. 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:06.640 If we have great weather, obviously the crowds 00:12:06.640 --> 00:12:08.400 will get bigger as it does every year. 00:12:08.400 --> 00:12:11.400 And so we're looking at, again, 00:12:11.400 --> 00:12:12.920 continuing to enhance that service. 00:12:12.920 --> 00:12:14.120 And so they're seeking feedback. 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:15.480 We're providing feedback, 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:18.600 working with the coordinators of Arts and Jazz Fest 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:21.320 to make sure that that service is seamless as possible 00:12:21.320 --> 00:12:22.720 and to encourage the public 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:25.520 because parking is always an issue here in this vicinity 00:12:25.520 --> 00:12:27.440 to park remotely and we can get, 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:32.120 and they, DCTA, can get folks to and from the venue 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:34.080 safely and close to the venue. 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:35.600 So we're working very closely with them 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:37.640 and hopefully exploring some additional options 00:12:37.640 --> 00:12:38.760 if it becomes available. 00:12:38.760 --> 00:12:41.560 So we have more than just that option 00:12:41.560 --> 00:12:42.560 on the south side of the community, 00:12:42.560 --> 00:12:44.080 maybe some northern options too. 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:45.280 But we're looking toward, 00:12:45.280 --> 00:12:46.480 they're looking towards that as well. 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:49.760 - I have a question to that point 00:12:49.760 --> 00:12:53.200 because we don't just want the people in our city 00:12:53.200 --> 00:12:54.040 to use the train. 00:12:54.040 --> 00:12:55.800 We want people from other cities 00:12:55.800 --> 00:12:58.080 to use the train to get in. 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:00.480 So this may be a question more 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:02.160 for the arts and jazz community 00:13:02.160 --> 00:13:06.000 or for our economic development or city 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:08.640 as far as advertising or marketing goes. 00:13:08.640 --> 00:13:13.240 Are we marketing in the other cities as well, 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:15.480 our arts and jazz and the train? 00:13:16.920 --> 00:13:19.840 I know that when I get in the train in other cities, 00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:23.320 they have billboards just so if someone's on the train 00:13:23.320 --> 00:13:25.520 and they can read that that is gonna happen, 00:13:25.520 --> 00:13:26.360 the free service. 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:29.200 So I don't know if that is something that y'all do 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:30.360 or I'm just-- - Sure. 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:32.400 We partner with Denton Arts and Jazz Festival 00:13:32.400 --> 00:13:33.400 to communicate. 00:13:33.400 --> 00:13:36.760 So they work specifically with the Denton CBB 00:13:36.760 --> 00:13:37.800 to promote the event. 00:13:37.800 --> 00:13:40.640 And just in my close workings with the CBB, 00:13:40.640 --> 00:13:44.040 I do know that they do promote beyond just Denton. 00:13:44.040 --> 00:13:47.800 But we specifically leverage our partnership with DART 00:13:47.800 --> 00:13:49.720 to make sure that like on the Go Pass app 00:13:49.720 --> 00:13:54.680 where you can purchase a mobile train pass or bus pass 00:13:54.680 --> 00:13:58.440 that we list Denton Arts and Jazz as a regional event 00:13:58.440 --> 00:13:59.880 that you can come and attend. 00:13:59.880 --> 00:14:02.560 So that what is one of the ways that we do reach 00:14:02.560 --> 00:14:04.520 those who are outside of our service area 00:14:04.520 --> 00:14:06.880 who are already transit riders. 00:14:06.880 --> 00:14:10.280 But we also include it in all of our blog posting 00:14:10.280 --> 00:14:11.840 and all of our advertising efforts, 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:14.560 which do reach beyond the A train corridor 00:14:14.560 --> 00:14:16.600 specifically for that reason. 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:18.680 To draw people in who aren't from the area, 00:14:18.680 --> 00:14:21.640 maybe they start at the A train location 00:14:21.640 --> 00:14:22.840 or they're starting at Trinity Mills, 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:24.600 but then they're able to utilize the A train 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:26.560 to get up here and then get to events. 00:14:26.560 --> 00:14:29.200 And that really extends beyond just Denton Arts and Jazz, 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:31.760 but any of the events that happen in Denton 00:14:31.760 --> 00:14:33.040 or any of our member cities, 00:14:33.040 --> 00:14:36.160 we use that same type of methodology in our communication. 00:14:36.160 --> 00:14:37.160 - Okay, thank you. 00:14:37.160 --> 00:14:40.520 - You're welcome to come anytime, 00:14:40.520 --> 00:14:44.320 even when Sarah Begheri is here. 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:45.800 And I think it's great. 00:14:45.800 --> 00:14:49.440 This mobility committee is becoming super popular, 00:14:49.440 --> 00:14:51.640 so it's a great way to get the word out. 00:14:51.640 --> 00:14:53.000 Thank you very much for coming this morning. 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:53.840 - Absolutely. 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:56.800 - So I'll close that item then 00:14:56.800 --> 00:14:59.720 and then move on to item C, 00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:02.960 which is receive an updated report and hold a discussion 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:04.600 regarding the North Central Texas Council 00:15:04.600 --> 00:15:07.120 of Governments Policy Bundle Program. 00:15:10.640 --> 00:15:13.400 (papers rustling) 00:15:13.400 --> 00:15:20.160 - Good morning, Chair and committee members. 00:15:20.160 --> 00:15:21.280 My name is Katherine Welch. 00:15:21.280 --> 00:15:23.160 I work with Capital Projects, 00:15:23.160 --> 00:15:25.960 and we are going to be giving you another update today 00:15:25.960 --> 00:15:28.920 on the status of this policy bundle program. 00:15:28.920 --> 00:15:30.520 So to start, this is the same slide 00:15:30.520 --> 00:15:32.680 y'all have seen the past presentations, 00:15:32.680 --> 00:15:35.360 but what it is is Council of Governments 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:38.120 has a set of policies they recommend 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:41.560 in their Metropolitan Transportation Plan 00:15:41.560 --> 00:15:42.800 for entities to adopt. 00:15:42.800 --> 00:15:46.360 And in this program, if an entity voluntarily adopts 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:48.280 at least 50% of the policies, 00:15:48.280 --> 00:15:51.720 then the entity is eligible 00:15:51.720 --> 00:15:54.000 for transportation development credits. 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:55.840 And there's gonna be a slide in a little bit 00:15:55.840 --> 00:15:58.920 going over more about how those credits can be used. 00:15:58.920 --> 00:16:01.600 So that's just the quick overview of the program. 00:16:03.400 --> 00:16:08.400 Once again, these are the areas that the policies cover, 00:16:08.400 --> 00:16:13.320 ultimately going towards transportation related policies. 00:16:13.320 --> 00:16:16.240 So good news. 00:16:16.240 --> 00:16:19.120 The early deadline for this policy bundle program 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:20.920 was March 15th. 00:16:20.920 --> 00:16:24.600 We got our application submitted for the early deadline. 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:28.880 These are the list of policies that we, 00:16:28.880 --> 00:16:30.920 after coordination with CAW, 00:16:30.920 --> 00:16:33.200 got confirmation that we are meeting 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:34.080 based on what we're doing. 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:36.160 We submitted all the documentation. 00:16:36.160 --> 00:16:38.560 And between now and April 15th, 00:16:38.560 --> 00:16:39.960 which is the final deadline, 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:42.400 we're gonna be getting feedback from CAW 00:16:42.400 --> 00:16:44.360 basically saying if we're missing anything 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:46.600 or they have any questions, we can give clarification. 00:16:46.600 --> 00:16:49.400 So we got it submitted this past Friday. 00:16:49.400 --> 00:16:52.000 And so I think we should be hearing feedback 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:55.560 this coming week on their initial review 00:16:55.560 --> 00:16:57.720 of our documentation. 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:00.480 So that's the list and we've gone over those 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:03.760 in a little more detail in those past sessions. 00:17:03.760 --> 00:17:07.840 And so just wanted to reiterate the schedule. 00:17:07.840 --> 00:17:09.560 So March 15th and April 15th 00:17:09.560 --> 00:17:12.320 are the early and final deadlines. 00:17:12.320 --> 00:17:14.520 We found out from Council of Governments 00:17:14.520 --> 00:17:17.920 that July, August timeframe will be when they announce 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:20.240 who has received the credits 00:17:20.240 --> 00:17:23.720 and how much each entity will get. 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:27.880 So we should be hearing from them then on granting them. 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:32.880 And then the next transportation improvement program tip mod 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:38.320 which these credits can be applied to a project 00:17:38.320 --> 00:17:42.400 that we submit in a tip mod will be in November. 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:45.680 That would be the earliest possible timeframe 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:47.160 we could get a project in. 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:50.680 However, that tip mod does begin that process 00:17:50.680 --> 00:17:52.440 and planning begins months in advance. 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:56.160 So it may end up being the cycle after the November tip mod 00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:58.000 that this may become more practical 00:17:58.000 --> 00:17:59.880 to get the credits used. 00:17:59.880 --> 00:18:02.360 So that's a timeline there. 00:18:02.360 --> 00:18:05.240 And so y'all had asked in the past for a little more detail 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:08.440 about what these transportation development credits are. 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:12.400 And so basically if we get federal funding 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:14.880 for a transportation project, 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:17.600 typically the federal funding has to cover 80, 00:18:17.600 --> 00:18:19.400 covers 80% of the overall cost 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:22.480 and the city has to provide 20% local match. 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:24.840 With these development credits, 00:18:24.840 --> 00:18:27.960 they can be applied to that local match 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:31.960 so that the city no longer has to provide that local match 00:18:31.960 --> 00:18:34.920 and the federal funding will take place. 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:37.920 I did hear from council of governments 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:42.040 that we have to get notification to them of the project 00:18:42.040 --> 00:18:45.520 we wish to use these towards very early in the discussion. 00:18:45.520 --> 00:18:47.600 So when we're seeking out federal funding, 00:18:47.600 --> 00:18:49.680 we need to already have an idea that, 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:52.640 hey, this is a project we wanna use our transportation 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:55.040 development credits for and let them know ahead of time 00:18:55.040 --> 00:18:58.880 we're gonna need you to seek out that additional 20% match 00:18:58.880 --> 00:19:00.520 and it'll cover the entire project. 00:19:00.520 --> 00:19:03.160 It's kind of the process there. 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:04.480 And question? 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:08.560 - Great, no, just happiness, great source of funding. 00:19:08.560 --> 00:19:11.720 - Do those credits expire? 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:15.760 So what I've heard and John may be able to speak on this 00:19:15.760 --> 00:19:20.440 is every year, so if we're granted credits, 00:19:20.440 --> 00:19:22.200 my understanding is they don't expire 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:24.080 but we have to reapply every year 00:19:24.080 --> 00:19:27.240 to continue using the credits already granted. 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:30.200 So if we don't use our full amount in that first year, 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:34.120 we have to apply next year to continue using 00:19:34.120 --> 00:19:35.560 the amount we were granted. 00:19:35.560 --> 00:19:37.560 - That's great. 00:19:37.560 --> 00:19:40.280 So essentially you don't have to resubmit 00:19:40.280 --> 00:19:43.280 all of your policies. 00:19:43.280 --> 00:19:44.360 I got the green light on. 00:19:44.360 --> 00:19:47.240 - Yeah, but your mic is a little far from, there you go. 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:49.000 I know your voice carries, but. 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:50.600 - I'm not technically proficient. 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:53.800 So you don't have to go through the process 00:19:53.800 --> 00:19:56.080 of getting your policies validated again, 00:19:56.080 --> 00:19:58.600 but you do have, annually have to come back 00:19:58.600 --> 00:20:02.200 and ask to use, to get those credits back 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:04.320 for other projects and they're very strict 00:20:04.320 --> 00:20:05.880 on what you can and can't use them on. 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:08.600 So it's a tool that's been helpful 00:20:08.600 --> 00:20:10.680 in the past in other areas. 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:13.280 Yeah, it's an annual, it's an annual re-up. 00:20:13.280 --> 00:20:15.040 - So we're definitely putting like a tickler note 00:20:15.040 --> 00:20:17.520 in the calendar, yeah. 00:20:17.520 --> 00:20:20.880 - Yes, and actually last week I found out, 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:24.080 so they based their credit allocation 00:20:24.080 --> 00:20:26.760 on the size of the city and so work, 00:20:26.760 --> 00:20:27.920 from the person I spoke with, 00:20:27.920 --> 00:20:29.880 we're considered a small size city. 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:33.520 So this round, if we do get the granting of the credits, 00:20:33.520 --> 00:20:36.800 we'll get 750,000 development credits 00:20:36.800 --> 00:20:41.320 and that equates to about 3.75 million federal dollars 00:20:41.320 --> 00:20:44.800 that can ultimately be used towards that local match, 00:20:44.800 --> 00:20:48.000 but we would have to ask for that 80% federal funding 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:49.360 to go along with that. 00:20:49.360 --> 00:20:54.120 So we'd have up to 3.75 to use towards that, 00:20:54.120 --> 00:20:57.480 what we would originally have paid as a 20% local match. 00:20:57.480 --> 00:20:59.920 - I'm guessing there's no shortage of opportunities 00:20:59.920 --> 00:21:02.320 for us to apply for and use this funding. 00:21:02.320 --> 00:21:05.760 - Absolutely, we've identified many projects 00:21:05.760 --> 00:21:06.760 that we can move forward with. 00:21:06.760 --> 00:21:07.600 - That's great. 00:21:07.600 --> 00:21:11.320 - So that's a little bit more about the credits. 00:21:11.320 --> 00:21:15.080 And then something that y'all have brought up in the past 00:21:15.080 --> 00:21:17.680 is wanting to potentially look into policies 00:21:17.680 --> 00:21:20.760 that we're not meeting or that we could be doing more on 00:21:20.760 --> 00:21:24.560 with their 21 recommended policies 00:21:24.560 --> 00:21:26.880 and kind of look at them in future sessions, 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:28.880 get some more research on them 00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:30.120 and maybe have some strategies 00:21:30.120 --> 00:21:32.080 on how we can start implementing them. 00:21:32.080 --> 00:21:34.520 So we wanted to provide a list up here 00:21:34.520 --> 00:21:38.520 of some of the areas that we're not necessarily meeting 00:21:38.520 --> 00:21:40.640 or could be doing more for. 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:41.880 So we've got a list up here. 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:44.800 We can go through each one and give a brief description 00:21:44.800 --> 00:21:46.040 or if you have any questions, 00:21:46.040 --> 00:21:48.640 but we wanted to get input on what you may wanna see 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:50.280 in future sessions. 00:21:50.280 --> 00:21:54.480 - So my, you know, 00:21:54.480 --> 00:21:57.280 input us in supporting you doing this 00:21:57.280 --> 00:22:00.680 is to say, let it be inspiration, you know, 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:02.240 are these good ideas, 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:05.840 like if we hadn't had them on our radar before, you know, 00:22:05.840 --> 00:22:11.440 sort of thanks to NCTCOG for giving us the idea, 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:15.800 but do you find these compelling as a starting point, 00:22:15.800 --> 00:22:18.600 you know, just from a recommendation point, 00:22:18.600 --> 00:22:20.520 are these things that you feel, you know, 00:22:20.520 --> 00:22:23.040 not just that we're deficient from NCTCOG's point of view, 00:22:23.040 --> 00:22:26.560 but are they actually areas that, you know, 00:22:26.560 --> 00:22:28.840 from a policy point of view, 00:22:28.840 --> 00:22:30.920 you feel would be beneficial to them? 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:34.400 - I think there are quite a few on this list. 00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:36.640 To begin, I think we have some parking issues 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:38.440 and parking management could be one of them 00:22:38.440 --> 00:22:40.000 that we can focus on. 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:43.320 Employee trip reduction is great since DCT is here. 00:22:43.320 --> 00:22:47.440 It would be a good partnership to see what we can do 00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:48.960 not only for our employees, 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:51.920 but employees of businesses that come within, 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:53.880 start businesses here in the city. 00:22:53.880 --> 00:22:58.240 So yes, some of them are really relevant. 00:22:58.240 --> 00:22:59.720 The traffic incident management, 00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:01.320 we're approaching to that. 00:23:01.320 --> 00:23:03.400 We're trying to reach that goal 00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:06.880 by having a central command center for the traffic. 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:09.000 And then we manage incident better 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:11.600 and communicate with fire and PD in case of emergency. 00:23:11.600 --> 00:23:14.120 So we are trying to get there. 00:23:14.120 --> 00:23:15.880 And yes, these are good things for the city 00:23:15.880 --> 00:23:18.440 and we'll slowly try to achieve them. 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:23.160 - Just 'cause I'm talking doesn't mean, 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:24.640 feel free to jump in any time. 00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:30.160 You know, can you, in terms of, 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:33.280 let's say severity or potential impact, 00:23:33.280 --> 00:23:35.760 you know, is there any kind of rank order prioritization 00:23:35.760 --> 00:23:38.480 that you might recommend to us? 00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:41.360 You know, like what do you think are the most pressing 00:23:41.360 --> 00:23:42.760 or biggest opportunities? 00:23:42.760 --> 00:23:47.480 - Well, we can start with the easiest one to tackle first 00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:48.480 that we were out of it. 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:50.560 - That's a different question, but okay. 00:23:50.560 --> 00:23:54.160 - That's the approach I was thinking of is more on 00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:58.560 what can be easily knocked out by smaller steps 00:23:58.560 --> 00:24:00.480 and it's not a big burden. 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:01.840 But some of them are a big burden, 00:24:01.840 --> 00:24:04.800 meaning you have to really have plans in place. 00:24:04.800 --> 00:24:06.240 You have to really do the studies. 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:08.760 You have to have a lot of backup information 00:24:08.760 --> 00:24:09.800 to implement them. 00:24:09.800 --> 00:24:12.840 So, but the, some of the first ones, 00:24:12.840 --> 00:24:14.440 the employee trip reduction program, 00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:17.480 we can internally start looking at stuff. 00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:20.400 And it seems that that one and the wrong way driving 00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:21.920 are fairly straightforward. 00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:24.120 - Different question. 00:24:24.120 --> 00:24:25.920 - Yeah, just about the top one, 00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:30.920 because we did recently hear that our vehicle miles per travel 00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:37.000 has increased emissions in our area significantly 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:40.160 after several years of reduction. 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:42.080 Last year was an increase. 00:24:42.080 --> 00:24:45.360 And so I think that focusing on that one, 00:24:45.360 --> 00:24:47.880 not only will help us here, 00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:50.840 but the city in general overall. 00:24:50.840 --> 00:24:53.120 And so I'm glad DCTA is here. 00:24:53.120 --> 00:24:57.280 And I, you know, I'm not sure what the requirements are 00:24:57.280 --> 00:25:01.040 for disqualification into the program, 00:25:01.040 --> 00:25:03.280 but I feel like there's other opportunities, 00:25:03.280 --> 00:25:06.480 even if we don't meet all the requirements 00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:09.000 for it to be integrated into this program, 00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:11.600 that there's certain things that we could do 00:25:11.600 --> 00:25:15.080 just to get more cars off the road with the chamber and, 00:25:15.080 --> 00:25:15.920 you know, DCTA. 00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:19.000 - Definitely, so what I would suggest is 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:21.840 if we can bring that one item in a couple of months back 00:25:21.840 --> 00:25:24.520 and see what we have and how we can implement it, 00:25:24.520 --> 00:25:26.800 or what are ways of getting that. 00:25:26.800 --> 00:25:29.800 - And I will say that DCTA does have 00:25:29.800 --> 00:25:32.080 an existing employer pass program 00:25:32.080 --> 00:25:35.240 where we offer discounts based on how many employees 00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:39.080 are taking part of the actual purchase of the pass. 00:25:39.080 --> 00:25:41.240 And that can be one employee, 00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:45.840 and that can be 500 plus, a thousand plus employees. 00:25:45.840 --> 00:25:47.600 So we do have that program in place, 00:25:47.600 --> 00:25:52.600 and we recently reduced all of our fares, our local fares. 00:25:52.600 --> 00:25:54.400 So that discount is now on top 00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:57.520 of the already discounted lower fares. 00:25:57.520 --> 00:25:59.440 So it ends up being a really affordable option, 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:01.760 but DCTA is absolutely willing to work with the city 00:26:01.760 --> 00:26:05.400 to see what we can provide to help with that item. 00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:06.240 - Good. 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:08.840 - So in my other life, just go ahead. 00:26:08.840 --> 00:26:11.960 In my other life, I used to do trip reduction programs 00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:14.720 for private sector out in California 00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:16.720 because they have a requirement 00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:19.280 that if you have employees of say 100 employees, 00:26:19.280 --> 00:26:23.480 you have to show an ability for at least 10% of your employees 00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:27.000 to get to work with some other than an SOV. 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:31.520 And then they give you credits for stuff like having showers 00:26:31.520 --> 00:26:33.880 and bike racks at your appointed place 00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:36.800 so that people do come to the workplace on a bicycle 00:26:36.800 --> 00:26:39.960 to have a place to freshen up. 00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:43.200 They give you a certain number of credits for those employees. 00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:45.560 If you have certain parking spots 00:26:45.560 --> 00:26:50.040 that have electric vehicle charging stations, 00:26:50.040 --> 00:26:54.240 if you buy, pay for bus stops near your location, 00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:55.060 it's a credit. 00:26:55.060 --> 00:26:57.300 So there's a whole series of things 00:26:57.300 --> 00:26:59.340 that when you say employee trip reduction, 00:26:59.340 --> 00:27:01.840 it's a pretty broad spectrum of things you can do 00:27:01.840 --> 00:27:06.360 just besides no offense, give them a transit pass. 00:27:06.360 --> 00:27:08.120 - That's great input. 00:27:08.120 --> 00:27:11.840 Yeah, having now had a moment to contemplate the question 00:27:11.840 --> 00:27:14.600 about my own question about prioritization. 00:27:14.600 --> 00:27:20.840 Quick one's great, but sort of beyond that, 00:27:20.840 --> 00:27:23.320 if the others require greater investment, 00:27:23.320 --> 00:27:26.840 I'd say if there's, and I'm saying this for the, 00:27:26.840 --> 00:27:29.840 to hear my colleagues' reactions as well, 00:27:29.840 --> 00:27:32.820 I'd say if there's a serious safety issue 00:27:32.820 --> 00:27:36.880 that's not addressed here, if it really isn't an issue, 00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:39.040 or it's really only minor, then not. 00:27:39.040 --> 00:27:42.040 But if there's a substantive safety issue, 00:27:42.040 --> 00:27:43.940 I think you'd have to prioritize that. 00:27:43.940 --> 00:27:48.480 And then I would go to a very important 00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:50.920 kind of convenience issue like parking management 00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:52.520 after safety issues. 00:27:52.520 --> 00:27:55.840 That's the sequence I would recommend taking them in. 00:27:55.840 --> 00:27:57.080 Any other thoughts? 00:27:57.080 --> 00:28:03.400 - Yeah, and on that note, one thing with like, 00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:06.480 for example, employee trip reduction that may be, 00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:08.120 - Yeah, that's a quick one, so I understand that. 00:28:08.120 --> 00:28:11.400 - Yeah, and one really cool thing about the application 00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:14.840 is when they're asking you these questions for the survey, 00:28:14.840 --> 00:28:17.400 they ask for points of contact in the organization 00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:19.720 and say, do you want to be sent information? 00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:22.480 Do you want to be sent processes to help get you started? 00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:24.960 And so we definitely checked yes on all of that 00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:27.160 just to be given that information. 00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:29.420 So through that survey, we'll be getting some resources 00:28:29.420 --> 00:28:32.520 through CAWG, but we can definitely prioritize 00:28:32.520 --> 00:28:35.660 the safety and convenience in the next work session item 00:28:35.660 --> 00:28:37.800 if that's what y'all would like. 00:28:37.800 --> 00:28:41.320 - We can bring this back in a couple months. 00:28:41.320 --> 00:28:42.480 - Other thoughts? 00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:43.960 So safety first. 00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:45.960 - Safety first, okay, cool. 00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:48.200 And I think that's all we have for you today. 00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:51.760 - Any other questions? 00:28:51.760 --> 00:28:52.600 Okay, great, thank you so much. 00:28:52.600 --> 00:28:54.080 - Thank you very much. 00:28:54.080 --> 00:28:56.960 - Great progress, and I'll close out that item then. 00:28:56.960 --> 00:29:02.560 And I'll open item D, receive a report 00:29:02.560 --> 00:29:03.980 and hold a discussion about 00:29:03.980 --> 00:29:06.940 current transportation alternatives set aside, 00:29:06.940 --> 00:29:09.160 safe routes to school and congestion mitigation 00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:11.380 and air quality city grants. 00:29:25.080 --> 00:29:27.800 - Good morning, Mark Oliphant, 00:29:27.800 --> 00:29:30.540 Bicycle and Pedestrian Coordinator for the city. 00:29:30.540 --> 00:29:34.120 Hello, I'm gonna talk about some grants 00:29:34.120 --> 00:29:36.360 that we've received in the past few years. 00:29:36.360 --> 00:29:38.160 These are three grants. 00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:40.880 We're working through the Council of Governments, 00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:44.920 TxDOT, and TxDOT, they're actually federal grants. 00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:48.600 They total a little, about two and a half million dollars. 00:29:48.600 --> 00:29:53.600 And the city's portion to pay for that is about $500,000. 00:29:55.080 --> 00:29:59.640 They're good grants that will provide 00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:02.760 safer routes to get to schools, 00:30:02.760 --> 00:30:06.440 and also a better way for UNT students 00:30:06.440 --> 00:30:11.440 to get to and from the Downtown Denton Transit Center. 00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:13.960 We have had some delays on these grants, 00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:17.600 so initially, before I even got here last July, 00:30:17.600 --> 00:30:19.480 everything was signed and sealed, 00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:21.960 and then TxDOT returned them to us 00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:23.760 because they had some minor changes, 00:30:23.760 --> 00:30:25.880 and we made those changes. 00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:30.880 We sent them back to TxDOT in early September of 2018, 00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:34.760 and it took three to six months 00:30:34.760 --> 00:30:37.000 to get those agreements back to us 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:38.560 in their executed form. 00:30:38.560 --> 00:30:40.680 Unfortunately, once we got them, 00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:43.840 then we sent them our initial payments and so forth. 00:30:43.840 --> 00:30:48.680 About two weeks ago, I met with TxDOT with our new, 00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:50.280 I don't remember your title, Robin, 00:30:50.280 --> 00:30:53.960 but our new team leader for the Traffic Engineering Division 00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:55.360 to talk about this, so. 00:30:55.360 --> 00:30:57.320 - I think it's Empress, the title's Empress. 00:30:57.320 --> 00:30:58.160 (laughing) 00:30:58.160 --> 00:30:59.960 - I'll go for that. 00:30:59.960 --> 00:31:03.240 So down here, this is the caveat that's important. 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:06.880 So we had that meeting, we thought we're good to go, 00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:07.840 we're having a great meeting, 00:31:07.840 --> 00:31:12.680 and then we started talking about the schedule. 00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:17.280 And so working with COG, we had, six weeks ago or something, 00:31:17.280 --> 00:31:19.000 sent them updates about our schedule 00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:21.600 because it wasn't happening last year. 00:31:21.600 --> 00:31:23.520 And what that did is it moved some of the money 00:31:23.520 --> 00:31:26.520 to the new fiscal year for these grants. 00:31:26.520 --> 00:31:31.360 And COG has to now approve of that, 00:31:31.360 --> 00:31:36.040 and then they send it to FHWA for approval. 00:31:36.040 --> 00:31:39.960 And that could take extra time 00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:41.280 that we were not planning on. 00:31:41.280 --> 00:31:44.160 We are trying to think about workarounds 00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:46.160 and things like that. 00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:49.240 But we're doing what we can, 00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:52.560 and there's just been some delays, unfortunately, 00:31:52.560 --> 00:31:56.600 but projects will happen. 00:31:56.600 --> 00:31:57.440 - Question? 00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:01.240 - Well, just, I mean, you see the date 2019, 2020, 00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:04.080 but I just want to say that some of these things, 00:32:04.080 --> 00:32:08.360 when I was elected in 2015, we were a go. 00:32:08.360 --> 00:32:10.400 We were talking about it in Mobility Committee. 00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:15.000 So, I mean, it's been a really long time. 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:18.360 And so I know that we have someone that may have a little, 00:32:18.360 --> 00:32:19.880 do you have any more information? 00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:21.200 Or is this all it? 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:22.040 I'm just... 00:32:22.040 --> 00:32:26.120 - I text out? 00:32:26.120 --> 00:32:26.960 Oh, okay. 00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:29.520 - That's great. 00:32:29.520 --> 00:32:30.360 Thank you for offering. 00:32:30.360 --> 00:32:33.320 - 'Cause, yeah, my question was gonna be, 00:32:33.320 --> 00:32:34.320 is there anything we can do about it? 00:32:34.320 --> 00:32:35.880 Is there anyone we can speak to? 00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:38.640 - Yeah, I didn't know that was an option, 00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:40.480 but thank you for that, yeah. 00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:41.520 - I just want to follow up. 00:32:41.520 --> 00:32:45.160 I mean, it is safe routes to school. 00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:48.440 And we have identified these locations 00:32:48.440 --> 00:32:51.560 because our kids aren't getting to school safely. 00:32:51.560 --> 00:32:56.560 So, I mean, it's not like it's just a want project. 00:32:56.560 --> 00:32:58.120 It's a need project. 00:32:58.120 --> 00:33:00.480 And it's something that we've been waiting on 00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:01.520 for a really long time. 00:33:01.520 --> 00:33:04.400 So, and I appreciate you guys doing all that you can, 00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:07.520 but it's still, it's a long time. 00:33:07.520 --> 00:33:08.360 - I agree. 00:33:08.360 --> 00:33:11.280 I mean, I think we, the city, have done pretty darn well. 00:33:11.280 --> 00:33:14.080 I mean, I, you know, maybe we did 90%. 00:33:14.080 --> 00:33:18.160 We could have done 100, but yes, I agree, and we're. 00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:19.560 - Well, and there's a new step to take. 00:33:19.560 --> 00:33:22.000 - Yeah, yeah, we have a new, thank you, yeah. 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:24.820 - Much appreciated. 00:33:24.820 --> 00:33:26.360 Any other questions or comments? 00:33:26.360 --> 00:33:28.400 - Thank you for the update. 00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:29.720 - Thank you. 00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:30.720 So. 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:32.440 - Oh, I do actually have one more question. 00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:34.880 Because when I shared this with Pecan Creek 00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:36.960 and I copied you guys on some emails, 00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:40.680 there was information that someone from the past, 00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:43.120 the city, had made an agreement with the neighborhood 00:33:43.120 --> 00:33:46.640 not to do a certain type of sidewalk 00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:49.480 or leave certain trees when they did the sidewalk. 00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:52.560 And I just want to follow up that that's been acknowledged 00:33:52.560 --> 00:33:54.200 and would be. 00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:59.720 - So, you, yes, we reached out to the. 00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:01.360 Yeah, there are multiple people. 00:34:01.360 --> 00:34:03.400 We reached out to the resident. 00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:05.720 Mark had a good discussion with them. 00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:07.440 And their understanding was, yes, 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:09.760 they were expecting some pervious pavement. 00:34:10.720 --> 00:34:15.720 Sidewalk on the east side of Swisher Road. 00:34:15.720 --> 00:34:18.880 And there are some challenges, engineering-wise, 00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:23.160 to implement some of the things that are mentioned 00:34:23.160 --> 00:34:26.280 in the email from the resident and the discussion with them. 00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:29.920 In the agreement itself, it just talks about sidewalk. 00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:32.720 So there's some sort of discrepancy. 00:34:32.720 --> 00:34:35.520 But what we're trying to do is set up a meeting 00:34:35.520 --> 00:34:38.880 for the community to go over what was agreed 00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:42.560 and what their impression of what was promised 00:34:42.560 --> 00:34:44.840 when the actual zoning took place 00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:48.480 and the whole thing was incorporated within the city. 00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:51.560 So we're setting up a meeting, working with PIO, 00:34:51.560 --> 00:34:53.320 and then we'll go over specifics 00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:56.080 and we'll discuss some of the challenges that we have. 00:34:56.080 --> 00:34:58.360 - I know the main issue 00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:00.120 was that there's some large trees there. 00:35:00.120 --> 00:35:00.960 - Correct. 00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:04.200 - So if there's an option to work around. 00:35:04.200 --> 00:35:05.120 - That's the challenge. 00:35:05.120 --> 00:35:07.560 It's the right of way that we own in that area 00:35:07.560 --> 00:35:10.160 and then the trees that are just within the right of way 00:35:10.160 --> 00:35:11.800 so there is no space. 00:35:11.800 --> 00:35:14.400 It's a challenging area. 00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:16.440 - Correct, and as Preetan mentioned, 00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:18.240 in the agreement, the information that we saw 00:35:18.240 --> 00:35:20.760 that was agreed, the annexation agreement, 00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:25.520 it actually described it as a pedestrian path, 00:35:25.520 --> 00:35:27.920 but it doesn't describe what type of path, 00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:30.120 pervious or impervious. 00:35:30.120 --> 00:35:32.760 So we do need to work with the neighborhoods 00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:36.360 to explain what are the pros and cons, 00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:38.880 ADA-accessible issues are a problem, 00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:40.720 being a pervious path. 00:35:40.720 --> 00:35:42.480 So there are just some challenges 00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:44.720 and it may not qualify for some of these grant programs 00:35:44.720 --> 00:35:46.560 if it's not ADA-accessible. 00:35:46.560 --> 00:35:50.160 - I wasn't sure if you guys were aware of that or not, 00:35:50.160 --> 00:35:51.800 so I wanted to-- 00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:52.640 - We're on it. 00:35:52.640 --> 00:35:53.480 - We're on it. 00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:55.720 - I had a time before because I hadn't-- 00:35:55.720 --> 00:35:58.680 - Oh no, I think it was as a result of the email 00:35:58.680 --> 00:36:03.440 that came through, it's where we kind of were made aware 00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:05.200 and so we read through the agreement 00:36:05.200 --> 00:36:07.000 and try to work with the neighborhoods to meet with them 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:09.840 and again, try to just work through the process. 00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:11.760 - Thank you, I appreciate that, thanks. 00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:14.280 - This will really make Denton better. 00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.040 It's really worth it, I know it feels defeating, 00:36:17.040 --> 00:36:20.280 but let's take a really big swing at it, thanks. 00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:23.800 So we're gonna close this item. 00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:25.520 Before I open the next item, 00:36:25.520 --> 00:36:27.000 just in the interest of transparency, 00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:29.040 I'm gonna explain my actions a little bit. 00:36:29.040 --> 00:36:33.000 I actually, when this item came up before, 00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:37.200 personally from this seat directed, go negotiate with UNT 00:36:37.200 --> 00:36:40.520 and I really just made a mistake. 00:36:40.520 --> 00:36:41.920 I just didn't even think about the fact 00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:44.960 that my wife is a professor there in regards to this. 00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:48.080 I have not yet figured out a way to profit somehow 00:36:48.080 --> 00:36:50.360 from UNT interactions with my wife 00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:51.680 being a creative writing professor. 00:36:51.680 --> 00:36:54.600 If somebody thinks of one, let me know, 00:36:54.600 --> 00:36:57.840 but now that I've been made aware, 00:36:57.840 --> 00:36:59.600 I can't sort of pretend I'm not aware 00:36:59.600 --> 00:37:03.720 and it's a direct, an option that's gonna be discussed, 00:37:03.720 --> 00:37:07.440 it's going to involve directly negotiating with UNT. 00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:12.120 So I'm gonna step out and also for those who came in earlier 00:37:12.120 --> 00:37:15.240 and didn't hear my comments, I'll just repeat my praise 00:37:15.240 --> 00:37:17.520 for not just staff but also the community 00:37:17.520 --> 00:37:19.680 and working so hard with each other 00:37:19.680 --> 00:37:20.920 and communicating with each other 00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:22.760 to try to come to a resolution. 00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:26.400 I think it's been really ultimately a high point 00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:30.120 for Denton, the way people have kind of found a way 00:37:30.120 --> 00:37:33.520 to work together and kind of solve problems mutually. 00:37:33.520 --> 00:37:35.800 So with that, I'm gonna step out. 00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:37.000 I'll say one last thing. 00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:41.080 My name is Meltzer, Metzler is the barbecue people. 00:37:41.080 --> 00:37:42.480 They spell it wrong. 00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:44.560 (laughs) 00:37:44.560 --> 00:37:50.640 - Oh, and who's vice chair? 00:37:50.640 --> 00:37:51.480 - I don't remember. 00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:52.300 - You're not vice chair? 00:37:52.300 --> 00:37:53.140 - Yeah. 00:37:53.140 --> 00:37:55.760 - Okay, so here's some blue cards 00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:56.600 for folks that want some. 00:37:56.600 --> 00:37:57.440 - Okay. 00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:02.760 All right, we'll do staff presentation on the item 00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:06.460 and then we'll hear from the public at that. 00:38:06.460 --> 00:38:11.460 So we will open item E, receive a report, 00:38:11.460 --> 00:38:14.720 hold discussion, provide staff with direction 00:38:14.720 --> 00:38:17.160 regarding options for accommodating bicycle lanes 00:38:17.160 --> 00:38:20.160 and on Hickory Street while retaining parking 00:38:20.160 --> 00:38:21.720 for local businesses. 00:38:21.720 --> 00:38:25.400 - Thank you, Vice Chair Ryan. 00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:28.200 Mark Ollivant, Bicycle and Pedestrian Coordinator 00:38:28.200 --> 00:38:29.160 for the city. 00:38:29.160 --> 00:38:34.900 So the Hickory Bike Lane, this is another saga in the city, 00:38:34.900 --> 00:38:39.480 but I think we are coming to an exciting point 00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:42.380 in the development of this project. 00:38:42.380 --> 00:38:45.400 So recently we have narrowed down our options 00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:49.480 to two different options, option two and option three. 00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:51.900 I'm gonna talk about option three first, 00:38:51.900 --> 00:38:56.200 which is a cycle track or sidewalk 00:38:56.200 --> 00:38:58.440 on the south side of Hickory Street 00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:01.100 between Avenue B and Avenue A. 00:39:01.100 --> 00:39:05.960 This option, this was preferred by some members 00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:10.960 of the Mobility Committee because it would preserve parking 00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:16.520 on Hickory Street and it would allow cyclists 00:39:16.520 --> 00:39:18.240 to still go through that area. 00:39:19.420 --> 00:39:23.480 Recently, the city manager and assistant city manager 00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:26.480 met with UNT to discuss this option 00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:29.360 and what has happened is UNT, 00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:31.320 well, I originally contacted them 00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:33.560 and they said not really interested, 00:39:33.560 --> 00:39:37.120 but we upped our representation, 00:39:37.120 --> 00:39:42.120 we sent over our higher level negotiators 00:39:42.120 --> 00:39:44.320 and UNT did come back and say, 00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:48.640 well, we would be willing to consider this, 00:39:48.640 --> 00:39:51.200 but we wanna talk about a few things. 00:39:51.200 --> 00:39:54.040 They want to see a design for it, 00:39:54.040 --> 00:39:57.400 they want to see a tree preservation plan 00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:01.760 and then they wanna take it to their board of regents 00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:06.340 or board of regents in August for consideration. 00:40:06.340 --> 00:40:10.840 So it is still a possibility though it would require 00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:13.800 that adds the amount of money that we would need 00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:18.200 and it adds the amount of time before it could be done. 00:40:18.200 --> 00:40:22.520 But so right now I am focusing on this option two 00:40:22.520 --> 00:40:25.280 and change to Avenue A and Mulberry 00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:27.280 and essentially what we're proposing, 00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:28.600 here's a little bubble diagram, 00:40:28.600 --> 00:40:32.400 what we're proposing is that we change Mulberry Street 00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:36.960 and Avenue A from two-way streets as they are currently 00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:40.780 to one-way streets in the direction of the arrows 00:40:40.780 --> 00:40:45.540 and those blue blocks would become on-street parking 00:40:45.540 --> 00:40:46.720 in that area. 00:40:46.720 --> 00:40:49.680 And so instead of losing parking on the south side 00:40:49.680 --> 00:40:52.240 of Hickory in order to accommodate a bike lane there, 00:40:52.240 --> 00:40:55.880 what we do is we just move that parking 00:40:55.880 --> 00:40:58.640 onto Mulberry and Avenue A. 00:40:58.640 --> 00:41:01.800 We can do this without having any net loss 00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:04.200 of parking in the area. 00:41:04.200 --> 00:41:07.000 The next slide is a little more detailed graphic, 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.480 it's hopefully you can see in the red. 00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:14.280 So what we're gonna do is mirror the diagonal parking 00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:17.040 on Avenue A on the west side 00:41:17.040 --> 00:41:19.360 and we, on the south side of Mulberry, 00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:24.120 we will put on-street parking, parallel parking there. 00:41:24.120 --> 00:41:29.120 And a few small other details up here 00:41:29.120 --> 00:41:33.920 will bulb out the curb so that folks coming south on Frye 00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:37.420 have a visual reminder that they can't go straight there. 00:41:37.420 --> 00:41:43.440 And so this requires some coordination with others 00:41:45.040 --> 00:41:47.440 One thing that will also have to happen 00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:52.440 is currently buses go back, buses go down this way currently 00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:57.640 and so they will have to go straight on Mulberry 00:41:57.640 --> 00:42:00.520 and right on Welch over there. 00:42:00.520 --> 00:42:03.280 And so we will have to modify this intersection. 00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:06.680 This is how it is currently, one lane southbound 00:42:06.680 --> 00:42:09.960 but two lanes northbound and what we will do, 00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:13.220 and this is actually part of one of those grants as well, 00:42:13.220 --> 00:42:15.080 the Sycamore-Welch improvements, 00:42:15.080 --> 00:42:18.620 is that center lane there, the left northbound lane, 00:42:18.620 --> 00:42:23.620 will become a median and we'll probably also shave off 00:42:23.620 --> 00:42:29.060 part of the corner but we will make accommodations 00:42:29.060 --> 00:42:31.280 so that buses can make that right turn. 00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:33.680 Currently it's a very tight turn 00:42:33.680 --> 00:42:37.520 and bus drivers are not comfortable making it 00:42:37.520 --> 00:42:41.280 but so in concert with those other changes, 00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:44.900 we would modify this so that the buses can turn right there. 00:42:44.900 --> 00:42:48.320 Oh, we talked about the angled parking. 00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:51.520 This is really the most important slide for us 00:42:51.520 --> 00:42:56.520 is that all of the different stakeholders we have met with 00:42:56.520 --> 00:43:00.680 and we met with DCTA, UNT, the business owners in the area, 00:43:00.680 --> 00:43:03.280 bicycle advocates, city fire, city police 00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:07.160 about what might be the potential ramifications 00:43:07.160 --> 00:43:09.780 and there are a few concerns here and there 00:43:09.780 --> 00:43:13.040 or they responded, well, as long as we can take care of X 00:43:13.040 --> 00:43:17.040 or Y, this might work and so we feel 00:43:17.040 --> 00:43:20.600 in transportation engineering that this is feasible. 00:43:20.600 --> 00:43:25.600 It will serve the needs of both the merchants in the area 00:43:25.600 --> 00:43:28.660 and the cyclists who are looking for a continuous 00:43:28.660 --> 00:43:33.660 and contiguous route from west to east in town 00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:40.600 and yeah, so we have talked to all of them 00:43:40.600 --> 00:43:43.800 and hopefully there's no major changes. 00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:45.360 I know there's some folks in the audience 00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:47.120 who represent some of those groups 00:43:47.120 --> 00:43:52.080 but this has been by far the best received 00:43:52.080 --> 00:43:58.160 and actually not just that it doesn't have negatives to it 00:43:58.160 --> 00:44:02.000 but for a number of stakeholders that are actually positive. 00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:05.380 As we talk to the police, they continuously have worries 00:44:05.380 --> 00:44:08.580 about traffic on Avenue A and Mulberry 00:44:08.580 --> 00:44:12.640 because of the restaurants and bars there 00:44:12.640 --> 00:44:16.360 and people walking through that area late at night 00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:19.160 and they might be inhibited 00:44:19.160 --> 00:44:23.920 and so from their perspective, it's really a good thing 00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:27.040 and we think we can improve the crossing right 00:44:27.040 --> 00:44:29.040 where Mulberry and Avenue A come together 00:44:29.040 --> 00:44:30.640 'cause there are some concerns currently 00:44:30.640 --> 00:44:32.480 about pedestrian visibility. 00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:36.360 So overall, this is really looking like a very promising 00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:39.360 option to us and yeah. 00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:43.480 - Okay, got some more briefs. 00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:44.800 - Yeah, I have a few questions. 00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:45.640 - Sure. 00:44:45.640 --> 00:44:50.960 - So where would the bike traffic go 00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:54.400 if they're on Fry heading in to campus 00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:55.800 since that's a one-way street? 00:44:55.800 --> 00:45:00.800 Would they have to turn on Hickory? 00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:04.760 Would they go down to Welch and then go down 00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:07.480 so instead of going straight into campus? 00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:08.600 - That is one option. 00:45:08.600 --> 00:45:11.200 They could turn left on Hickory and go south on Welch. 00:45:11.200 --> 00:45:16.420 Another option, there are details that we haven't worked out 00:45:16.420 --> 00:45:19.080 is that this is an extremely wide sidewalk. 00:45:19.080 --> 00:45:21.400 It's something like 15 feet 00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:23.440 and so you could have a seven-foot bike lane 00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:26.080 going south on one side there 00:45:26.080 --> 00:45:29.720 but it is on the sidewalk. 00:45:29.720 --> 00:45:31.120 It's a possibility of something 00:45:31.120 --> 00:45:34.040 that we'd have to talk to the university about and so forth 00:45:34.040 --> 00:45:37.060 but just being out there, it's a very wide sidewalk 00:45:37.060 --> 00:45:40.600 and that would be something I would suggest to them 00:45:40.600 --> 00:45:41.760 so it should be implemented. 00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:44.080 - Well, I would also think that would be good. 00:45:44.080 --> 00:45:46.600 That way it could just go straight through 00:45:46.600 --> 00:45:50.740 instead of pushing the bikes on to Welch 00:45:50.740 --> 00:45:51.880 where the buses are. 00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:56.120 I mean, if we're pushing the buses there, it's-- 00:45:56.120 --> 00:45:58.940 - The Welch improvements to the will, 00:45:58.940 --> 00:46:03.120 it will go to one lane with a bike lane on the outside so-- 00:46:03.120 --> 00:46:04.560 - Okay, so it'd be another option? 00:46:04.560 --> 00:46:07.000 - Mm-hmm, both will be better. 00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:09.560 - Okay, so that's the bike question 00:46:09.560 --> 00:46:11.760 and I think maybe if there's enough room 00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:14.620 then I'd like to explore that sidewalk thing. 00:46:14.620 --> 00:46:18.480 My other, so what about the loading zone 00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:21.960 because I think there's loading zones currently 00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:24.300 where the parking will be so what, 00:46:24.300 --> 00:46:25.640 and that was brought up before, 00:46:25.640 --> 00:46:29.440 where will the trucks or-- 00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:31.720 - Yeah, so a couple thoughts. 00:46:31.720 --> 00:46:35.520 Currently, this is all supposed to be loading zone. 00:46:35.520 --> 00:46:37.220 UNT enforces it. 00:46:37.220 --> 00:46:41.060 They say if a car has a Jimmy John sign on top 00:46:41.060 --> 00:46:44.080 or delivery or something, they let 'em, 00:46:44.080 --> 00:46:47.880 don't give 'em tickets or anything. 00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:50.080 One thing that has been suggested 00:46:50.080 --> 00:46:55.080 is changing that turn lane to the north 00:46:55.400 --> 00:46:58.460 is perhaps changing that into a loading zone. 00:46:58.460 --> 00:47:03.640 There are options for accommodating them. 00:47:03.640 --> 00:47:06.520 We haven't gotten to that granularity. 00:47:06.520 --> 00:47:08.880 I know it's a concern or pretend we haven't. 00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:15.680 - Pretend they spoke, traffic engineer. 00:47:15.680 --> 00:47:18.960 One of the things that we're looking at, 00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:23.260 currently this area will result in 20 spaces. 00:47:23.260 --> 00:47:26.920 There are eight spaces today that are used for loading. 00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:29.560 So out of the 20, we're anticipating 00:47:29.560 --> 00:47:32.520 that eight will be provided as loading zones 00:47:32.520 --> 00:47:34.760 that would be given back to the businesses 00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:39.460 so the Jimmy Johns and the delivery cars can still use that. 00:47:39.460 --> 00:47:43.080 This area will be two spaces as well. 00:47:43.080 --> 00:47:46.600 These can be converted for bigger trucks as a loading area. 00:47:46.600 --> 00:47:51.160 So we are giving back approximately eight spaces 00:47:51.160 --> 00:47:54.060 to the loading area so they will be marked loading. 00:47:54.060 --> 00:47:57.480 And then 16, and then the remaining 14, 00:47:57.480 --> 00:47:59.800 I'm sorry, 12, I'm not getting my math. 00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:02.520 12 and then remaining 16 on this 00:48:02.520 --> 00:48:05.960 will counter the 29 that we have. 00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:08.240 So that was the whole idea that the loading 00:48:08.240 --> 00:48:10.880 will be maintained, it'll still remain on site, 00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:13.040 but then we'll have the additional spaces 00:48:13.040 --> 00:48:15.640 that balance the parking laws. 00:48:15.640 --> 00:48:16.840 - Okay, can you talk about, 00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:19.120 so they'll be parking on Mulberry? 00:48:19.120 --> 00:48:21.140 - Correct, yes. - That isn't there now? 00:48:21.140 --> 00:48:23.600 - Yes. - Okay, parallel parking? 00:48:23.600 --> 00:48:24.500 - Parallel parking. 00:48:24.500 --> 00:48:29.720 There are 16 spaces of parallel parking right here. 00:48:29.720 --> 00:48:32.280 It says 16 spaces up and down. 00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:34.840 And then there are 20 total all the way here, 00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:36.760 including these two parallel. 00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:40.700 Out of the 20, we'll use eight for loading zone. 00:48:40.700 --> 00:48:43.320 - Okay, do you mind if I, I just have a few more. 00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:47.280 Okay, so all of that is great. 00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:51.000 What about enforcement of that? 00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:55.560 Will that be a UNT responsibility or a city responsibility? 00:48:55.560 --> 00:48:59.480 How are we going to, after we do all of this, 00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:03.360 how are we going to guarantee that those spots 00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:08.200 are open and moving and not parked in all day by students 00:49:08.200 --> 00:49:10.960 so that the businesses can benefit from them? 00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:13.360 - So right now, we do not have an agreement 00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:15.020 with UNT for this portion. 00:49:15.020 --> 00:49:17.660 These are brand new spaces that we've done. 00:49:17.660 --> 00:49:20.320 I think we have some agreement for this loading area. 00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:22.960 We don't have parking agreement. 00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:25.020 We will work with UNT for enforcement. 00:49:25.020 --> 00:49:28.520 They're already enforcing spaces along Hickory Street. 00:49:28.520 --> 00:49:31.960 And I know there are some concerns about that, 00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:36.700 but we are open to options as far as enforcement. 00:49:36.700 --> 00:49:38.160 I mean, the city can take over, 00:49:38.160 --> 00:49:40.580 but our enforcement staff is minimal. 00:49:40.580 --> 00:49:43.920 So it would be very difficult for us to enforce. 00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:47.680 So we are looking at options. 00:49:47.680 --> 00:49:49.520 At this point, we don't know. 00:49:49.520 --> 00:49:54.520 - Has the possibility of meters been talked about again? 00:49:54.520 --> 00:50:00.840 - No, now UNT has gotten rid of meters. 00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:03.280 They will not service meters. 00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:05.580 That's not an option for them to enforce. 00:50:05.580 --> 00:50:07.720 - Did they use the app? 00:50:07.720 --> 00:50:09.200 - Correct. 00:50:09.200 --> 00:50:10.040 - Okay. 00:50:10.040 --> 00:50:12.640 Two other things. 00:50:12.640 --> 00:50:15.460 So the bike lane, if this option is done, 00:50:15.460 --> 00:50:17.920 the bike lane will still have, 00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:20.500 will it have the separators? 00:50:20.500 --> 00:50:22.860 - Yes, it will have a two-foot buffer 00:50:22.860 --> 00:50:25.720 where we can provide different types of separators. 00:50:25.720 --> 00:50:27.040 We've talked about curbs. 00:50:27.040 --> 00:50:30.760 We've talked about the meters that are two feet high. 00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:34.680 So all of that is definitely, will be included. 00:50:34.680 --> 00:50:37.920 - And the last thing is that in part of our options, 00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:42.920 we had a intersection kind of upgrade safety for Fry 00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:47.280 and Hickory there, kind of where it's the, 00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:50.160 I think the side, the crosswalks got wider. 00:50:50.160 --> 00:50:53.120 There was a little bit of calming going on. 00:50:53.120 --> 00:50:55.160 Is that part of this plan at all? 00:50:55.160 --> 00:50:58.560 Or is there any of that, any of those, 00:50:58.560 --> 00:51:03.440 the bump outs or anything that are going to be 00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:05.840 with this option? 00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:08.480 - They are not because they need to be designed. 00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:12.080 They're not as part of the Hickory, 00:51:12.080 --> 00:51:15.740 current Hickory Street project, the way it is designed. 00:51:15.740 --> 00:51:18.600 Some minor changes with this layout 00:51:18.600 --> 00:51:20.800 may be incorporated quickly, 00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:23.220 but bump outs at these locations, 00:51:23.220 --> 00:51:25.840 these are older intersections with a lot of utilities. 00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:28.080 So they need to be really designed 00:51:28.080 --> 00:51:30.320 in order to move forward with some of the improvements 00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:32.000 that we're talking about. 00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:34.400 So it's currently not included in the budget 00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:36.440 or the project that's underway. 00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:38.840 - Okay. 00:51:38.840 --> 00:51:44.320 - I've got one major question. 00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:46.800 What's the justification for taking the one way 00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:49.480 in that direction as opposed to the other? 00:51:49.480 --> 00:51:52.240 And 'cause as I see it, 00:51:52.240 --> 00:51:55.000 if we're trying to help the businesses in that area, 00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:57.920 now a person is going to have to understand 00:51:57.920 --> 00:51:59.800 that they have to go down to Welch 00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:03.080 and circle back around Mulberry and back up to Avenue A 00:52:03.080 --> 00:52:05.720 to get to that, as opposed to you turn the corner 00:52:05.720 --> 00:52:09.000 and you, and there's your parking spaces. 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:09.840 - So-- 00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:13.640 - And you are now, you've got a signal intersection there 00:52:13.640 --> 00:52:18.640 A and fry that the attention span, when you see a light, 00:52:18.640 --> 00:52:21.040 you're not paying attention to other things. 00:52:21.040 --> 00:52:23.160 You're not having to come to a complete stop 00:52:23.160 --> 00:52:24.380 that if you're going the other direction, 00:52:24.380 --> 00:52:26.560 when you get to Mulberry Welch, 00:52:26.560 --> 00:52:30.040 that's, I believe it's just Mulberry that stops. 00:52:30.040 --> 00:52:31.580 So you're gonna come to a complete stop. 00:52:31.580 --> 00:52:33.000 You're gonna be looking both ways. 00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:38.000 You're gonna look across and see the one way sign. 00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:43.320 - So the consideration for this direction 00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:47.200 of flow was some of this parking here, 00:52:47.200 --> 00:52:49.340 as well as this angle parking. 00:52:49.340 --> 00:52:54.060 We will, would have had to reconfigure the whole thing. 00:52:54.060 --> 00:52:57.400 It would have been a much larger project, first thing. 00:52:57.400 --> 00:53:01.720 The second thing is, yes, if this is properly signed 00:53:01.720 --> 00:53:04.480 in Stripe, we can provide signage 00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:06.780 and pull this curb forward. 00:53:06.780 --> 00:53:09.040 That way it's a bigger indication 00:53:09.040 --> 00:53:11.200 that you're not allowed to enter. 00:53:11.200 --> 00:53:14.080 And once you have a sign here that says no entry 00:53:14.080 --> 00:53:17.440 and a signal that just shows our left turn arrow 00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:20.360 as opposed to a green ball, that would help. 00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:21.880 So there are certain enhancements 00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:23.880 that are planned as part of this project, 00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:25.920 replacing some of the signal heads. 00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:30.140 So we'll make sure that people understand clearer. 00:53:30.140 --> 00:53:33.280 And there'll be a period of learning, of course, 00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:36.400 but I mean, every year you get new students 00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:37.240 driving this area. 00:53:37.240 --> 00:53:38.640 - Yes, there'll be a period of learning 00:53:38.640 --> 00:53:41.100 for about a month, three times every year. 00:53:41.100 --> 00:53:47.680 I know 'cause it used to end as a one-way, 00:53:47.680 --> 00:53:52.320 used to be two-way once you got past Avenue C, Jay Go. 00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:56.380 And the police sat on that corner 00:53:56.380 --> 00:53:58.840 for the first two weeks of every semester, 00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:01.160 waiting for people to go the wrong way. 00:54:01.160 --> 00:54:03.800 And that's why when I talk about a signal intersection, 00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:06.640 people don't pay attention to it as closely as what they do. 00:54:06.640 --> 00:54:09.000 If they have to come to a complete stop 00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:10.720 and look for cross traffic, 00:54:10.720 --> 00:54:13.500 and as they're looking, they'll notice those other signs. 00:54:13.500 --> 00:54:18.120 - We'll provide appropriate signage. 00:54:18.120 --> 00:54:18.960 - Yes. 00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:20.800 - Yeah, I mean, that's a really good point 00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:24.000 because part of when I was talking to some of the businesses, 00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:26.560 they said that right there at Frye and Hickory, 00:54:26.560 --> 00:54:29.320 the traffic backs up anyway because of the light. 00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:31.880 And a lot of that right turn on Avenue A 00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:34.360 is the flow through to keep the traffic 00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:36.800 from being so heavy through there. 00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:41.200 But when you said it would be a larger project, 00:54:41.200 --> 00:54:46.960 like, what would that entail? 00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:47.800 I mean-- 00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:50.160 - That would entail redoing the entire curb 00:54:50.160 --> 00:54:53.240 and gutter driveways, this angle parking, 00:54:53.240 --> 00:54:55.240 and then also looking at redoing this area 00:54:55.240 --> 00:54:58.480 because this is a 90-degree parking in 00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:00.120 starting at this point. 00:55:00.120 --> 00:55:03.440 So we haven't looked at the actual cost estimates 00:55:03.440 --> 00:55:05.360 for changing the direction. 00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:08.360 But generally speaking, traffic-wise, 00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:11.000 this sounds like a relatively 00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:14.320 fluid way of flowing traffic. 00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:18.480 One of the things I do want to point out 00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:21.100 for this southbound left coming in, 00:55:21.100 --> 00:55:23.880 they're backed up today because they're being blocked 00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:26.440 by this through traffic that it wants to go through. 00:55:26.440 --> 00:55:30.040 So if this is just an arrow, 00:55:30.040 --> 00:55:35.040 it will be a much faster flow 00:55:35.040 --> 00:55:39.720 because this traffic only flows one direction. 00:55:39.720 --> 00:55:42.960 It's not going through the intersection itself. 00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:45.840 So it'll be getting higher green light. 00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:51.420 - Wouldn't that back up fry more 00:55:51.420 --> 00:55:53.400 because no one's going straight? 00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:55.960 Everybody's got to turn so they've all got to wait on 00:55:55.960 --> 00:55:58.660 the people on Avenue A to clear? 00:56:00.120 --> 00:56:01.120 - We can change the phasing. 00:56:01.120 --> 00:56:03.960 So the phasing on these two phases will be different. 00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:06.360 Yes. 00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:09.080 That will be part of our upgrades. 00:56:09.080 --> 00:56:12.920 - Any other questions? 00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:16.320 - No, I just, I feel like too with fry coming through, 00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:19.400 it just makes more sense to go the other way. 00:56:19.400 --> 00:56:21.840 Now that you said it, I can't not think about it. 00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:30.400 - Well, we do have three cards that wish to speak. 00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:34.440 So we'll go ahead and input there. 00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:38.440 And Kim McKibbin is the first speaker. 00:56:38.440 --> 00:56:42.240 Kim, if you want to state your name and address 00:56:42.240 --> 00:56:43.480 and your time will begin. 00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:51.920 - My name is Kim McKibbin. 00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:53.360 I own the business and the building 00:56:53.360 --> 00:56:55.840 at 1306 West Hickory Street. 00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:58.280 I've been involved with this project from the very beginning. 00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:00.560 I was part of the Oak Gateway Plan. 00:57:00.560 --> 00:57:03.280 This project was initially stopped 00:57:03.280 --> 00:57:05.840 by the city council member and sent to, 00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:08.760 sent back to the Oak Gateway Plan. 00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:11.600 We worked for a year and a half on the Oak Gateway Plan 00:57:11.600 --> 00:57:15.600 about how to resolve multiple issues in this area 00:57:15.600 --> 00:57:18.360 related to parking, related to bicycles 00:57:18.360 --> 00:57:20.200 and all of these kinds of things. 00:57:20.200 --> 00:57:23.320 The plan that the Oak Gateway Plan came up with 00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:28.000 was basically kind of put on hold. 00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:31.520 That involved a lot of the calming techniques that you saw. 00:57:31.520 --> 00:57:35.160 That's where some of these originally came from. 00:57:35.160 --> 00:57:40.160 So as the representative for most of the business owners, 00:57:40.160 --> 00:57:42.080 I have a few points to make. 00:57:42.080 --> 00:57:44.280 The traffic direction that they're looking at 00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:46.960 in this plan here was typically discussed 00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:50.160 by several of us in the business areas there. 00:57:50.160 --> 00:57:54.120 And if you function in that area every day, 00:57:54.120 --> 00:57:56.000 this is how you move through it. 00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:58.320 If you're looking for a parking place, 00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:03.320 you either come oak to see and back down and look 00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:06.520 and then come back through and circle back around. 00:58:06.520 --> 00:58:10.320 I mean, there may not be obvious logic 00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:12.000 in changing that direction, 00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:17.000 but there is functional reasons for it to be that direction. 00:58:17.060 --> 00:58:21.080 I am still in favor of the UNT plan 00:58:21.080 --> 00:58:24.900 that would preserve the parking on Hickory Street 00:58:24.900 --> 00:58:27.460 that is utilized all the time by the businesses, 00:58:27.460 --> 00:58:31.220 by the students, by the residents that are in that area. 00:58:31.220 --> 00:58:33.960 I would like to see that worked out 00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:37.880 and continue to be pursued specifically 00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:42.600 to connect the Sycamore project that's going to be done 00:58:42.600 --> 00:58:45.000 for the bike lane to take it down that direction. 00:58:46.180 --> 00:58:49.360 The bike lanes, if you're gonna put them there, 00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:50.760 put a physical barrier. 00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:53.220 The bollards, the little plastic bollards will not work. 00:58:53.220 --> 00:58:56.320 We need something in that business area there 00:58:56.320 --> 00:58:59.560 to keep people from pulling over into your bicycle lane, 00:58:59.560 --> 00:59:01.440 to keep the lift people from pulling over 00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:02.740 into the bicycle lane. 00:59:02.740 --> 00:59:06.240 And the last meeting that we had at Vortman, 00:59:06.240 --> 00:59:09.400 some of the people here were there, some were not. 00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:13.160 There was a lot of discussion about the loading zones. 00:59:13.160 --> 00:59:16.240 I don't know where you came up with eight out of 20 00:59:16.240 --> 00:59:19.740 parking spaces for Jimmy John's, but that is excessive. 00:59:19.740 --> 00:59:22.880 There are other people there that use that. 00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:26.640 Currently, Jimmy John's, I think, has two delivery trucks. 00:59:26.640 --> 00:59:28.680 So you might wanna rethink that. 00:59:28.680 --> 00:59:34.340 To give them almost 50% of the parking that you're creating 00:59:34.340 --> 00:59:37.320 is not going to help our customer base. 00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:40.240 So please reconsider the number of loading zone parkings 00:59:40.240 --> 00:59:44.360 that you're looking at on Avenue A. 00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:48.360 There are other, there's one, two, three, four 00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:51.780 city loading zones in the Fry Street Overlay District. 00:59:51.780 --> 00:59:56.600 We pay $178 a year for those parking loading zones. 00:59:56.600 --> 01:00:00.480 So if you are going to designate two for Jimmy John's, 01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:03.680 I think that they too should pay that. 01:00:03.680 --> 01:00:07.160 Enforcement, once again, is a major issue. 01:00:07.160 --> 01:00:10.520 Unless the interlocal agreement 01:00:10.520 --> 01:00:11.920 with the University of North Texas 01:00:11.920 --> 01:00:16.000 that the city of Denton currently has is out of date, 01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:17.480 we will need to re-look at that. 01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:19.320 Enforcement is an issue. 01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:21.680 I've been talking for four minutes, I'm sorry. 01:00:21.680 --> 01:00:24.840 - It's three minutes. - Oh, okay. 01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:27.100 I do have, I'm here to answer questions. 01:00:27.100 --> 01:00:29.800 You have questions, I think I can continue to answer. 01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:34.840 - I think we're good. - Okay. 01:00:34.840 --> 01:00:35.680 - Thank you. 01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:39.340 - Next will be Charles Browning. 01:00:39.340 --> 01:00:49.740 - Hey, my name is Charles Browning. 01:00:49.740 --> 01:00:52.880 I live at 2324 Georgetown Drive. 01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:55.400 I'm here to voice my support for option two. 01:00:55.400 --> 01:00:58.160 I've supported, I love option two. 01:00:58.160 --> 01:01:02.300 I've loved it since 2015 when I think I first saw it. 01:01:02.300 --> 01:01:05.720 I think it's the most viable and safe. 01:01:05.720 --> 01:01:07.360 I'm really happy the way the community 01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:08.480 has come together and worked. 01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:10.920 We have several different people 01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:15.720 who have different, I guess, agendas and opinions, 01:01:15.720 --> 01:01:16.880 and I respect those. 01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:18.560 I really like the way we came together 01:01:18.560 --> 01:01:22.480 and this new Avenue A one-way, 01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:25.680 I think it eliminates a lot of the safety issues. 01:01:25.680 --> 01:01:27.120 The way it's going now, 01:01:27.120 --> 01:01:30.840 as opposed to maybe the way it was suggested 01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:34.520 a few minutes ago, actually makes this much safer. 01:01:34.520 --> 01:01:37.080 It eliminates, one of the most common 01:01:37.080 --> 01:01:41.080 cyclist motorist accidents is called the right hook. 01:01:41.080 --> 01:01:44.760 On, I guess, Hickory, as you're going forward, 01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:47.120 bicycle traffic will be going straight. 01:01:47.120 --> 01:01:48.400 The cars will be to the left, 01:01:48.400 --> 01:01:51.960 and if their cars are turning right onto Avenue A, 01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:54.840 a lot of times people do not look for bicycles. 01:01:54.840 --> 01:01:59.360 So they turn right directly into a forward-moving bicycle, 01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:02.360 which is, if you look up, one of the most common 01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:09.720 cyclist motorist accidents. 01:02:09.720 --> 01:02:14.720 Also, I'm happy to see that the parking is preserved. 01:02:14.720 --> 01:02:18.600 I think that option two was, 01:02:18.600 --> 01:02:20.480 I can't really advocate it much more, 01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:23.960 any better than the city staff did, 01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:26.120 but against option three, 01:02:26.120 --> 01:02:27.560 where the parking is preserved 01:02:27.560 --> 01:02:30.560 on the south side of Hickory, 01:02:30.560 --> 01:02:33.000 I think that that's a really bad and unsafe option 01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:36.480 because a lot of motorists are not used to 01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:40.520 sharing the bicycle, sharing the road with bicycles. 01:02:40.520 --> 01:02:42.720 It's also more expensive. 01:02:42.720 --> 01:02:46.320 If there's a row of cars that bicycles are hidden behind 01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:49.560 and then all of a sudden, at Avenue A, they reappear 01:02:49.560 --> 01:02:51.760 and have to merge back into traffic, 01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:54.160 hopefully we continue with a, 01:02:54.160 --> 01:02:57.640 get a bike lane there soon. 01:02:57.640 --> 01:02:59.920 I think a negotiating with UNT, 01:02:59.920 --> 01:03:03.280 which they seem not to really want to, 01:03:03.280 --> 01:03:06.400 will just delay this even longer. 01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:11.040 So again, I'm in support of option two without delay. 01:03:11.040 --> 01:03:12.520 Thank you. 01:03:12.520 --> 01:03:13.360 - Thank you. 01:03:13.360 --> 01:03:16.920 Sonia Vazquez. 01:03:16.920 --> 01:03:27.480 - Hello, good morning. 01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:28.600 My name is Sonia Vazquez. 01:03:28.600 --> 01:03:31.040 I live on 603 Westmorebury Street. 01:03:31.040 --> 01:03:32.080 I'm actually a couple of blocks 01:03:32.080 --> 01:03:34.200 from where everything is happening. 01:03:34.200 --> 01:03:37.560 It is, I usually travel through here, 01:03:37.560 --> 01:03:40.000 both in my bicycle as well as my vehicle. 01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:44.600 So I can tell you that, well, first off, 01:03:44.600 --> 01:03:47.680 I am in support of option two, 01:03:47.680 --> 01:03:50.440 which seems like the best and safest way. 01:03:50.440 --> 01:03:52.720 And I really love the entire design 01:03:52.720 --> 01:03:56.640 and what the business is and pre-tem 01:03:56.640 --> 01:03:59.960 and everybody has come together as well with the community 01:03:59.960 --> 01:04:01.520 to put this together. 01:04:01.520 --> 01:04:04.760 And the only thing that I ask going forward 01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:08.480 in moving with the plan is that this is really 01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:14.120 planned and designed with vehicle traffic flow in mind. 01:04:14.120 --> 01:04:17.640 And I think we need to focus more on pedestrians 01:04:17.640 --> 01:04:21.160 and the people that go to all these businesses 01:04:21.160 --> 01:04:25.040 based on, I guess, the surveys 01:04:25.040 --> 01:04:27.080 and everything that I did in observation, 01:04:27.080 --> 01:04:29.080 a lot of the traffic that's going through 01:04:29.080 --> 01:04:32.440 all these businesses in this entire area, 01:04:32.440 --> 01:04:35.560 it's heavily pedestrian traffic, 01:04:35.560 --> 01:04:38.120 crossing through like from Crooked Crust 01:04:38.120 --> 01:04:40.160 and going to Chipotle and all that. 01:04:40.160 --> 01:04:42.880 Even this picture shows a lot of like humans 01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:45.120 like crossing that intersection, 01:04:45.120 --> 01:04:48.480 as well as the cyclists that are going through. 01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:52.000 One of the things that I've noticed is 01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:54.760 there's only two 88 spots in this area 01:04:54.760 --> 01:04:57.120 and they're from Crooked Crust. 01:04:57.120 --> 01:05:00.240 People going and wanting to go to any of the businesses 01:05:00.240 --> 01:05:05.200 on along Hickory, there is no spots 01:05:05.200 --> 01:05:06.960 that indicate in that area. 01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:08.680 And I think we need to increase that. 01:05:08.680 --> 01:05:12.760 We need to be more friendly with our 88 groups. 01:05:12.760 --> 01:05:17.160 The university has a big group of students 01:05:17.160 --> 01:05:18.520 that are 01:05:18.520 --> 01:05:24.440 88 and they need more spaces to get there. 01:05:24.440 --> 01:05:26.880 A lot of them are walking or crossing the streets. 01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:29.040 So we need to actually accommodate that. 01:05:29.040 --> 01:05:35.760 So I like, like I said, we need to focus more 01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:38.040 on the people that are crossing these streets, 01:05:38.040 --> 01:05:40.640 how to make it safer, how to make it better 01:05:40.640 --> 01:05:43.600 for them to get to and from the university 01:05:43.600 --> 01:05:45.400 as well as travel through the area. 01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:47.920 All comments I have. 01:05:47.920 --> 01:05:50.680 - Thank you. 01:05:52.560 --> 01:05:55.320 - Jimmy, any questions? 01:05:55.320 --> 01:05:56.480 - Any questions? 01:05:56.480 --> 01:05:57.320 - Thank you. 01:05:57.320 --> 01:05:58.160 - Thanks. 01:05:58.160 --> 01:06:05.800 - And that is all that we have for blue cards. 01:06:05.800 --> 01:06:12.760 Having heard that the business community 01:06:12.760 --> 01:06:15.520 is good with the one way that way 01:06:15.520 --> 01:06:18.960 gives me definitely some peace of mind on it. 01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:22.400 And I definitely see the bicycle safety 01:06:22.400 --> 01:06:24.880 of that not allowing the right turn. 01:06:24.880 --> 01:06:29.200 It's my only concern still would be DCTA 01:06:29.200 --> 01:06:30.880 being able to turn that corner on Welch 01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:33.040 'cause I know that that's been brought up in the past 01:06:33.040 --> 01:06:34.600 that that was an issue for them to be able 01:06:34.600 --> 01:06:36.280 to make that sharp of a turn. 01:06:36.280 --> 01:06:41.280 So we definitely wanna make sure that that is feasible. 01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:46.360 - Yes, and Welch is pretty fairly wide. 01:06:46.360 --> 01:06:49.000 What we're gonna do is increase the size 01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:52.040 of the approach that allows the vehicle to turn in. 01:06:52.040 --> 01:06:55.240 So we'll definitely lay out turn templates for buses 01:06:55.240 --> 01:06:56.720 and design it that way. 01:06:56.720 --> 01:07:00.680 - And there's nothing that precludes us from saying 01:07:00.680 --> 01:07:02.680 let's move forward with option two, 01:07:02.680 --> 01:07:05.720 but let's continue to look at option three 01:07:05.720 --> 01:07:08.800 with the university that we could even keep 01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:12.440 that other parking and add new parking for that area, true? 01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:20.360 I know there's a timing issue involved there. 01:07:20.360 --> 01:07:21.720 That's the major. 01:07:21.720 --> 01:07:25.680 - So just for clarity, what's being suggested 01:07:25.680 --> 01:07:27.160 is that we pursue both options. 01:07:27.160 --> 01:07:28.680 In other words, is that what you're saying? 01:07:28.680 --> 01:07:30.040 - That would be my thought on. 01:07:30.040 --> 01:07:36.280 - I'm okay with this one. 01:07:36.280 --> 01:07:41.280 And I'm okay letting go of the UNT option 01:07:41.280 --> 01:07:45.560 with the bike lane being on Hickory. 01:07:45.560 --> 01:07:50.040 If there's, I would like to see physical separators. 01:07:50.040 --> 01:07:53.000 I personally would like to see planters, 01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:55.120 something that's gonna beautify the area 01:07:55.120 --> 01:07:58.120 and make it more enticing for people 01:07:58.120 --> 01:08:00.000 to stop in the businesses. 01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:04.040 I would also like to see down here, 01:08:04.040 --> 01:08:06.600 Ms. Vasquez just mentioned that all the people walking 01:08:06.600 --> 01:08:09.440 from campus over down at Mulberry, 01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:13.320 I'd like to see maybe that crosswalk at large 01:08:13.320 --> 01:08:17.680 and maybe be art, have the art crosswalk, 01:08:17.680 --> 01:08:21.440 something that's gonna jazz up the area, 01:08:21.440 --> 01:08:24.600 but also since we're putting so much traffic, 01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:29.040 that way, that's gonna make sure that people stop 01:08:29.040 --> 01:08:32.120 for the individuals crossing right there. 01:08:32.120 --> 01:08:40.160 I would also like to see where the bike rack is. 01:08:40.160 --> 01:08:45.160 Is that area jazzed up a little bit? 01:08:45.280 --> 01:08:47.840 I don't know if it's possible. 01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:51.040 - Okay, jazzed it up? 01:08:51.040 --> 01:08:52.760 - Yeah, yeah. 01:08:52.760 --> 01:08:54.000 - Musical theme or? 01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:58.320 - Yeah, something, yeah, no pun in the music. 01:08:58.320 --> 01:09:00.200 Some kind of, maybe if we could get 01:09:00.200 --> 01:09:04.240 with the public art committee and talk about the crosswalk 01:09:04.240 --> 01:09:06.600 and maybe some kind of something there. 01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:11.160 I just, I feel like, I know that this is mobility committee 01:09:11.160 --> 01:09:13.160 and I know that it was brought to our attention 01:09:13.160 --> 01:09:17.080 because of the bike lane and traffic safety commission 01:09:17.080 --> 01:09:18.440 did what they were supposed to do. 01:09:18.440 --> 01:09:20.920 They picked the best option 01:09:20.920 --> 01:09:22.560 and this isn't anything against them, 01:09:22.560 --> 01:09:25.280 but council committee is different. 01:09:25.280 --> 01:09:27.320 We have to think of all interests. 01:09:27.320 --> 01:09:30.120 We have to make sure that we're thinking about everyone, 01:09:30.120 --> 01:09:32.120 not just the traffic aspects of it. 01:09:32.120 --> 01:09:36.000 So I commend staff and the community 01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:39.600 for continuing to work together until there was an issue 01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:44.600 solved that we didn't just go right for the first option. 01:09:44.600 --> 01:09:46.560 But in this conversation, 01:09:46.560 --> 01:09:51.560 what it did was it brought me more aware of this area 01:09:51.560 --> 01:09:55.640 and the neglect that it's kind of had for so long 01:09:55.640 --> 01:09:58.840 and I feel like there's a lot of opportunity here for us 01:09:58.840 --> 01:10:02.240 to help our small, the businesses out there 01:10:02.240 --> 01:10:06.120 in the community so that we can entice other people, 01:10:06.120 --> 01:10:07.600 not just students to come. 01:10:08.840 --> 01:10:10.720 And so that would be, 01:10:10.720 --> 01:10:15.720 that's my suggestion and my impression of this project. 01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:24.640 - Can also add to in kind of commenting 01:10:24.640 --> 01:10:27.200 on what Ms. Vasquez said about pedestrian safety. 01:10:27.200 --> 01:10:28.680 One of the other things that we're looking at too 01:10:28.680 --> 01:10:30.720 and have done is working with DME 01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:35.680 on changing some of the lights, sodium halide to an LED 01:10:35.680 --> 01:10:38.040 to provide more light in that area. 01:10:38.040 --> 01:10:40.760 So we continue to work with them to make sure 01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:42.880 we can upgrade the bulbs 01:10:42.880 --> 01:10:45.440 and other pedestrian safety lighting. 01:10:45.440 --> 01:10:50.440 So that is brighter for folks to see where they're going, 01:10:50.440 --> 01:10:52.120 coming and going. 01:10:52.120 --> 01:10:58.000 - Well, and I believe it was said that at this corner here, 01:10:58.000 --> 01:11:00.600 we would do a bump out on that far side 01:11:00.600 --> 01:11:03.360 so that through traffic couldn't go. 01:11:03.360 --> 01:11:05.560 That will also help with pedestrian. 01:11:05.560 --> 01:11:10.560 It'll be a smaller space for them to have to cross. 01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:16.840 And it looks like on Welch 01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:21.000 that there is a painted crosswalk right at that intersection. 01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:23.240 So it probably would be a good idea 01:11:23.240 --> 01:11:25.200 to look at doing the same thing down there 01:11:25.200 --> 01:11:28.480 to take that to do a little road diet down there on. 01:11:28.480 --> 01:11:30.560 - At Mulberry or at Hickory? 01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:33.760 - Mulberry, I'm sorry. 01:11:36.120 --> 01:11:37.960 Yeah, just at the far end, 01:11:37.960 --> 01:11:39.760 if you go down the sidewalk 01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:42.800 in front of all these businesses that we're seeing, 01:11:42.800 --> 01:11:45.960 there's a crosswalk at the end of that street 01:11:45.960 --> 01:11:47.600 in order to get across Mulberry. 01:11:47.600 --> 01:11:54.800 Now, on Avenue A. 01:11:54.800 --> 01:11:56.480 - Oh, I'm sorry, back there, okay. 01:11:56.480 --> 01:11:57.320 - Yeah. 01:11:57.320 --> 01:12:01.560 - So bringing that area. 01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:04.520 - Yeah, right there. 01:12:04.520 --> 01:12:07.040 - We have heard, you know, the police has said, 01:12:07.040 --> 01:12:08.560 "Well, those dumpsters, 01:12:08.560 --> 01:12:10.560 they kind of make it hard to see people." 01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:13.240 And then there has definitely been conversations 01:12:13.240 --> 01:12:15.320 about improving this. 01:12:15.320 --> 01:12:17.400 So yeah, we can look at that. 01:12:17.400 --> 01:12:22.720 - Anytime you reduce the distance 01:12:22.720 --> 01:12:24.320 that a pedestrian has to cross, 01:12:24.320 --> 01:12:25.760 you increase their safety. 01:12:25.760 --> 01:12:29.280 - Yeah, we'll jazz it up. 01:12:29.280 --> 01:12:33.160 The crosswalk as well as the intersection. 01:12:34.040 --> 01:12:37.400 The bullbots are definitely gonna help with the safety. 01:12:37.400 --> 01:12:40.400 - And for clarification, there will not be a right, 01:12:40.400 --> 01:12:47.640 wait, okay, so no right on red. 01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:51.840 Hold on, so from Fry Street. 01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:54.200 Okay, no. 01:12:54.200 --> 01:12:55.840 I don't think that that- 01:12:55.840 --> 01:12:57.960 - So here's Fry, here's Avenue A. 01:12:57.960 --> 01:12:59.760 - Okay. 01:12:59.760 --> 01:13:00.840 - Hickory going that way. 01:13:03.400 --> 01:13:05.480 - Okay, so this section actually 01:13:05.480 --> 01:13:07.600 will just be one way now, right? 01:13:07.600 --> 01:13:11.000 - Which is it, Fry Street? 01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:13.360 - No. 01:13:13.360 --> 01:13:14.200 - Fry would continue to be two way. 01:13:14.200 --> 01:13:15.120 - Two way. 01:13:15.120 --> 01:13:16.360 - Yeah. 01:13:16.360 --> 01:13:17.200 - Okay. 01:13:17.200 --> 01:13:19.840 - North of Hickory will continue being two way. 01:13:19.840 --> 01:13:22.320 - So vehicles coming east on Hickory 01:13:22.320 --> 01:13:24.320 could make that left to go north, 01:13:24.320 --> 01:13:26.680 or those going north on Avenue A 01:13:26.680 --> 01:13:29.960 would have that option of going straight or right. 01:13:29.960 --> 01:13:31.800 - We definitely wanna keep Fry two way 01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:35.320 because of the access and it's one way either direction, 01:13:35.320 --> 01:13:36.760 so people need to go around the block 01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:39.160 to make sure that they're at the right. 01:13:39.160 --> 01:13:41.640 - So there was a thing here about no right turn on red, 01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:44.680 and so that I received from the bicycle community. 01:13:44.680 --> 01:13:46.120 I'm not sure what that was about, 01:13:46.120 --> 01:13:49.680 but I think everything has been talked about 01:13:49.680 --> 01:13:53.000 except for the enforcement plan, 01:13:53.000 --> 01:13:55.200 which I think is a larger conversation 01:13:55.200 --> 01:13:56.400 that we'll need to discuss, 01:13:56.400 --> 01:14:00.320 because again, it doesn't matter how many spaces we add. 01:14:00.320 --> 01:14:03.200 If nobody is looking into it, 01:14:03.200 --> 01:14:07.640 then we're just camped out in eight hours. 01:14:07.640 --> 01:14:12.520 - So I did get a chance to talk with UNT, 01:14:12.520 --> 01:14:13.840 their transportation director, 01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:16.600 and he has mentioned 01:14:16.600 --> 01:14:19.360 that they have been enforcing this particular area, 01:14:19.360 --> 01:14:22.080 and they can provide some data 01:14:22.080 --> 01:14:25.760 as far as how many citations, how frequently they visit, 01:14:25.760 --> 01:14:28.480 so they can provide information. 01:14:28.480 --> 01:14:30.560 We're working with them to get it. 01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:35.560 - And do they also enforce the parking near the businesses, 01:14:35.560 --> 01:14:39.480 like on Mulberry or Avenue A, 01:14:39.480 --> 01:14:41.440 wherever that is like red? 01:14:41.440 --> 01:14:42.400 - That whole thing, yes. 01:14:42.400 --> 01:14:44.600 - Yeah, so the whole area. 01:14:44.600 --> 01:14:47.480 I would like if you could send that information out to us 01:14:47.480 --> 01:14:48.480 because it-- - Yeah. 01:14:48.480 --> 01:14:52.280 - I have heard from the business owners 01:14:52.280 --> 01:14:55.280 that they have a desire to separate 01:14:58.560 --> 01:15:01.920 parking enforcement in the area from UNT 01:15:01.920 --> 01:15:06.400 because they don't see UNT having the same incentive 01:15:06.400 --> 01:15:08.160 to keep it turning over 01:15:08.160 --> 01:15:10.120 and everything else that the businesses may, 01:15:10.120 --> 01:15:12.400 but I think that's a much bigger conversation 01:15:12.400 --> 01:15:14.720 about a parking benefit district or something, 01:15:14.720 --> 01:15:17.560 which the businesses have brought up. 01:15:17.560 --> 01:15:19.520 - Right. - But it's larger. 01:15:19.520 --> 01:15:23.800 - Yeah, and I think our chief has also talked 01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:25.840 about something, too. 01:15:25.840 --> 01:15:28.320 So maybe, is that a conversation we have here, 01:15:28.320 --> 01:15:30.560 or is that a full conversation for council? 01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:34.480 I just, I'm not sure where the proper place 01:15:34.480 --> 01:15:37.120 for that to start is. 01:15:37.120 --> 01:15:39.040 - I think it is a, we can start here, 01:15:39.040 --> 01:15:41.760 but then it would be a full conversation for council. 01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:44.480 - One of the things that we do on a quarterly basis, 01:15:44.480 --> 01:15:47.840 we meet with UNT, just go over a number of issues 01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:50.840 that's happening either on the campus or on the city, 01:15:50.840 --> 01:15:52.520 and this could be one of those topics 01:15:52.520 --> 01:15:55.440 that we could bring up to, 'cause it's a full, 01:15:55.440 --> 01:15:57.240 it includes the president's office, 01:15:57.240 --> 01:15:58.840 city manager's office, transportation, 01:15:58.840 --> 01:16:00.200 their transportation counterpart. 01:16:00.200 --> 01:16:02.440 So it's one of those things we can bring up 01:16:02.440 --> 01:16:03.880 and just talk about with them, 01:16:03.880 --> 01:16:05.360 that it's been brought up again, 01:16:05.360 --> 01:16:08.080 and we'd like to just revisit that whole conversation. 01:16:08.080 --> 01:16:09.480 - Okay, thank you. 01:16:09.480 --> 01:16:13.560 - John? 01:16:13.560 --> 01:16:17.080 - Oh, I was gonna ask the width of the bike lane 01:16:17.080 --> 01:16:20.080 versus the width of parking. 01:16:20.080 --> 01:16:22.720 What is the difference in that? 01:16:22.720 --> 01:16:23.760 - About two feet. 01:16:23.760 --> 01:16:27.360 So eight feet is typical parking area, 01:16:27.360 --> 01:16:30.640 and bike lanes are six feet minimum, 01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:34.040 so that two foot is the buffer that we're gonna use 01:16:34.040 --> 01:16:37.320 to separate the bike lanes from the travel lanes. 01:16:37.320 --> 01:16:42.320 - Okay, and I don't know what council member Briggs's 01:16:42.320 --> 01:16:46.540 opinion is of option three as a secondary, 01:16:46.540 --> 01:16:51.400 but I'm just thinking if we needed to stripe that 01:16:51.400 --> 01:16:54.480 with paint only, as opposed to putting down the, 01:16:54.480 --> 01:16:56.560 was it thermoplastic that we use? 01:16:56.560 --> 01:16:57.640 - Thermoplastic. 01:16:57.640 --> 01:17:01.560 - Yeah, that we did it in that, continue to negotiate, 01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:03.920 and then we can decide, you know, 01:17:03.920 --> 01:17:05.960 if they're willing to put that in there. 01:17:05.960 --> 01:17:08.760 Then we just move the bike lane up onto the sidewalk, 01:17:08.760 --> 01:17:09.840 rebuild the sidewalk. 01:17:09.840 --> 01:17:13.560 They'd lose parking for a period of time. 01:17:13.560 --> 01:17:16.720 We could keep the bike lane there on the street 01:17:16.720 --> 01:17:21.720 until we get the sidewalk actually built. 01:17:21.720 --> 01:17:26.240 - So I understand what you're saying. 01:17:26.240 --> 01:17:29.880 So it kind of conflicts with the direction. 01:17:29.880 --> 01:17:32.560 Are we installing full protected bike lanes 01:17:32.560 --> 01:17:34.100 with curbs in there? 01:17:34.100 --> 01:17:36.920 Currently as it exists, do you want the curbs in there? 01:17:36.920 --> 01:17:40.960 Or is it temporary curb, bolt-on curves with delineators? 01:17:40.960 --> 01:17:45.480 Because that is more movable if we go and acquire 01:17:45.480 --> 01:17:49.060 or get personal alternative option three, 01:17:49.060 --> 01:17:50.800 that'll be easier to take everything out 01:17:50.800 --> 01:17:53.280 and clear it out and move the bike lane. 01:17:53.280 --> 01:17:57.480 - Well with the, I'm comfortable with just the one option 01:17:57.480 --> 01:18:01.920 with the parking on Avenue A. 01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:02.760 - Okay. 01:18:02.760 --> 01:18:04.800 - And I feel like something more permanent 01:18:04.800 --> 01:18:06.520 needs to be done for the bike lane 01:18:06.520 --> 01:18:09.280 just so that it's not confusing for the drivers. 01:18:09.280 --> 01:18:12.240 They get used to being in there. 01:18:12.240 --> 01:18:17.240 And if there is enforcement and there's a loading zone 01:18:17.240 --> 01:18:21.440 and then there's room for the businesses 01:18:21.440 --> 01:18:23.880 and then there will still be parking 01:18:23.880 --> 01:18:28.660 on the opposite side of Hickory if we can right currently. 01:18:28.660 --> 01:18:29.500 - On the north side. 01:18:29.500 --> 01:18:32.000 - North side, there is, it'll remain. 01:18:32.000 --> 01:18:33.120 - It'll remain. 01:18:33.120 --> 01:18:35.180 Will it remain all the way down? 01:18:35.180 --> 01:18:39.600 - They're in different. 01:18:39.600 --> 01:18:42.320 - I think there's a large loading zone. 01:18:42.320 --> 01:18:47.800 - It will remain all the way to Welch. 01:18:47.800 --> 01:18:48.840 There are certain areas. 01:18:48.840 --> 01:18:52.120 There's one bike lane and a loading area, but. 01:18:52.120 --> 01:18:57.880 - One of our proposals had changed that turning lane 01:18:57.880 --> 01:19:02.040 to parking when we proposed eliminating all of the parking 01:19:02.040 --> 01:19:04.200 on the south side, it was the original. 01:19:04.200 --> 01:19:07.040 - Thank you. 01:19:10.360 --> 01:19:12.080 - So, I'm sorry, right here, 01:19:12.080 --> 01:19:15.920 one of our proposals looking at option two originally 01:19:15.920 --> 01:19:18.160 before we're looking at the one way 01:19:18.160 --> 01:19:21.040 was to convert that into parking. 01:19:21.040 --> 01:19:23.760 But there are options. 01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:25.320 - I think he's still not picking you up on the mic. 01:19:25.320 --> 01:19:28.580 - Sorry, not picking me up, I'm getting an ice cream cone. 01:19:28.580 --> 01:19:30.940 There are options. 01:19:30.940 --> 01:19:36.440 We can shift things around up there. 01:19:36.440 --> 01:19:39.200 Just dealing with paint and so forth, it's possible. 01:19:39.200 --> 01:19:40.560 And one point I wanted to make, too, 01:19:40.560 --> 01:19:43.960 is there are two types of loading that are going on here. 01:19:43.960 --> 01:19:47.280 You have deliveries incoming to the businesses, 01:19:47.280 --> 01:19:49.720 which are typically tractor trailers 01:19:49.720 --> 01:19:52.000 or just short of tractor trailers, 01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:53.960 so they need a good sized space. 01:19:53.960 --> 01:19:56.480 And then you have these smaller, just personal vehicles 01:19:56.480 --> 01:19:59.480 that do prepared food and take it to the customer. 01:19:59.480 --> 01:20:01.880 So there are two types that we're talking about. 01:20:01.880 --> 01:20:06.760 - Okay, so there's some options there for added parking 01:20:06.760 --> 01:20:11.640 on the other side if we need to add something later on. 01:20:11.640 --> 01:20:12.480 Okay. 01:20:12.480 --> 01:20:16.420 - I think there is already parking in some loading zones. 01:20:16.420 --> 01:20:17.260 - Okay. 01:20:17.260 --> 01:20:30.260 And I did get clarification on the right turn. 01:20:30.260 --> 01:20:34.320 No right turn, so it was for northbound traffic 01:20:34.320 --> 01:20:36.140 on Avenue A at West Hickory. 01:20:36.920 --> 01:20:39.880 To reduce the risk of someone sticking nose 01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:41.200 of their car out into the path 01:20:41.200 --> 01:20:43.400 with someone's biking downhill on Hickory. 01:20:43.400 --> 01:20:48.520 - Yeah, they will, anyone that wants to, 01:20:48.520 --> 01:20:50.760 we can look into that option, it's definitely. 01:20:50.760 --> 01:20:51.600 - Okay. 01:20:51.600 --> 01:20:54.760 - If you look at that, there's already parking. 01:20:54.760 --> 01:20:58.520 There's some loading area here and a turn lane here, 01:20:58.520 --> 01:21:00.960 but other than that, there's parking spaces 01:21:00.960 --> 01:21:03.040 on the north side, on that segment. 01:21:03.040 --> 01:21:04.640 - And that's gonna continue to stay? 01:21:04.640 --> 01:21:06.840 - That's gonna continue to stay. 01:21:06.840 --> 01:21:07.680 - Okay. 01:21:07.680 --> 01:21:14.000 - Take it away. 01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:20.960 - Much as I hate to drag this out, 01:21:20.960 --> 01:21:22.760 I think we're kind of at an impasse 01:21:22.760 --> 01:21:25.000 that this may just need to go to full council 01:21:25.000 --> 01:21:27.920 for a final decision on the, 01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:32.000 I think we're pretty clear that option two is a go, 01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:36.160 but whether option three is still feasible for future 01:21:36.160 --> 01:21:37.520 is something to look at. 01:21:37.520 --> 01:21:41.440 - We can certainly look at that. 01:21:41.440 --> 01:21:42.840 Pre-TAM can probably elaborate more 01:21:42.840 --> 01:21:43.800 on kind of the next steps 01:21:43.800 --> 01:21:45.760 as far as Traffic Safety Commission, 01:21:45.760 --> 01:21:47.600 'cause again, that's gonna require changes 01:21:47.600 --> 01:21:49.200 and ordinances, et cetera. 01:21:49.200 --> 01:21:53.400 As mentioned, probably earliest we've begun, 01:21:53.400 --> 01:21:55.880 I know Mark mentioned probably the August meeting 01:21:55.880 --> 01:21:59.680 of the border regents. 01:21:59.680 --> 01:22:02.160 My understanding in visiting with Bob Brown, 01:22:02.160 --> 01:22:05.000 Senior VP of Finance, and Dave Reynolds, 01:22:05.000 --> 01:22:08.400 to get on the agenda for the border regents, 01:22:08.400 --> 01:22:10.040 they've gotta have everything in order, 01:22:10.040 --> 01:22:13.120 45 days prior to a meeting, so I'm just letting you know, 01:22:13.120 --> 01:22:14.800 I'm just passing the information on, 01:22:14.800 --> 01:22:18.880 so, but if we do need to have full design documents, 01:22:18.880 --> 01:22:22.920 et cetera, tree survey, it's gonna take some work, 01:22:22.920 --> 01:22:25.960 and we can get there, it's just identifying the funding, 01:22:25.960 --> 01:22:28.840 identifying all the hurdles that we've gotta get to, 01:22:28.840 --> 01:22:32.720 and then get that information over to UNT. 01:22:32.720 --> 01:22:35.800 To make the May meeting, it would probably be completed, 01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:38.200 certainly by June of this year, 01:22:38.200 --> 01:22:40.040 which is just fast-tracking. 01:22:40.040 --> 01:22:44.000 The next meeting after that would be November 01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:46.280 on the border regents, 'cause they meet every quarter, 01:22:46.280 --> 01:22:47.680 every three months. - Okay. 01:22:47.680 --> 01:22:55.400 - So the direction on this is move forward with option two, 01:22:55.400 --> 01:22:58.040 we can take it to Traffic Safety 01:22:58.040 --> 01:23:01.080 with the added parking along Avenue A, 01:23:01.080 --> 01:23:04.960 and then move in that direction 01:23:04.960 --> 01:23:06.640 to get the bike lanes implemented 01:23:06.640 --> 01:23:08.440 along with the existing project. 01:23:08.440 --> 01:23:12.080 As far as pursuing the option three, 01:23:12.080 --> 01:23:13.920 we can present that information 01:23:13.920 --> 01:23:17.080 with the cost and schedule to the full council, 01:23:17.080 --> 01:23:17.920 if you wanna. 01:23:17.920 --> 01:23:20.760 Okay, we'll set it up that way. 01:23:20.760 --> 01:23:22.200 - And don't forget all the upgrades 01:23:22.200 --> 01:23:25.520 to make it look really nice, and safe. 01:23:25.520 --> 01:23:27.320 - Yes, absolutely. 01:23:27.320 --> 01:23:30.880 - And so I did notice that when the street lights 01:23:30.880 --> 01:23:32.600 are still on a string and pole, 01:23:32.600 --> 01:23:36.840 are those planned to be upgraded at all, 01:23:36.840 --> 01:23:41.400 or with crosswalks and nice? 01:23:41.400 --> 01:23:47.120 - So, this intersection is extremely difficult. 01:23:47.120 --> 01:23:51.800 We can look into that. 01:23:51.800 --> 01:23:54.120 I'm not sure if we have the funds at this time, 01:23:54.120 --> 01:23:56.040 but it would be a. 01:23:57.480 --> 01:23:58.320 - Okay. 01:23:58.320 --> 01:24:02.440 - Regardless of if we're gonna bring this to full council, 01:24:02.440 --> 01:24:04.520 but we wanna move as quickly as possible 01:24:04.520 --> 01:24:06.920 on getting the information to Traffic Safety 01:24:06.920 --> 01:24:09.760 on the second option that you're reviewing tonight, today, 01:24:09.760 --> 01:24:10.720 so that we can get moving 01:24:10.720 --> 01:24:13.600 because I know the restriping and the improvements 01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:15.800 that are occurring on Hickory, 01:24:15.800 --> 01:24:16.640 so we wanna make sure 01:24:16.640 --> 01:24:19.200 that we don't lose any momentum and time on that. 01:24:19.200 --> 01:24:22.040 So it'll be something coming to the council 01:24:22.040 --> 01:24:23.160 and then your future. 01:24:23.160 --> 01:24:24.000 - Okay. 01:24:24.880 --> 01:24:28.720 Last question, sidewalk upgrades on Hickory. 01:24:28.720 --> 01:24:32.680 Are we going to be doing that with the street 01:24:32.680 --> 01:24:34.960 to make sure that they are ADA compliant? 01:24:34.960 --> 01:24:37.640 Because I think there's probably some areas 01:24:37.640 --> 01:24:39.960 where there's things stuck right in the middle 01:24:39.960 --> 01:24:44.000 and they may not be big enough or accessible. 01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:45.600 So is that something we're looking at 01:24:45.600 --> 01:24:49.600 or have we done that with this Hickory Street project? 01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:54.400 - I'm glad you brought it up 01:24:54.400 --> 01:24:57.120 because we are looking at, 01:24:57.120 --> 01:24:59.000 there's one area, particularly, 01:24:59.000 --> 01:25:03.520 in front of the workman's book. 01:25:03.520 --> 01:25:05.080 Only if I can get there. 01:25:05.080 --> 01:25:08.280 - I saw parking meters. 01:25:08.280 --> 01:25:09.720 Remember those days? 01:25:09.720 --> 01:25:11.860 Remember the good old days? 01:25:11.860 --> 01:25:19.120 - So this area is the one that is extremely challenging 01:25:19.120 --> 01:25:21.640 as far as ADA compliance. 01:25:21.640 --> 01:25:25.960 It is a foot and a half from this level 01:25:25.960 --> 01:25:28.080 to the top of this curb. 01:25:28.080 --> 01:25:30.880 And the challenge is the available distance 01:25:30.880 --> 01:25:33.600 is about seven, seven and a half feet. 01:25:33.600 --> 01:25:37.600 And in order to make it ADA compliant 01:25:37.600 --> 01:25:39.440 and get to this level, 01:25:39.440 --> 01:25:40.520 there are a couple options. 01:25:40.520 --> 01:25:42.320 We can go half and half, 01:25:42.320 --> 01:25:45.800 but it doesn't really provide an ADA path. 01:25:45.800 --> 01:25:49.160 So the other option is pulling this curb out 01:25:49.160 --> 01:25:51.400 and it'll take a couple of spaces of parking out. 01:25:51.400 --> 01:25:54.040 So this area is very challenging 01:25:54.040 --> 01:25:56.840 given that this level is way up here. 01:25:56.840 --> 01:25:59.520 So we're looking at different options and designing it. 01:25:59.520 --> 01:26:02.200 But we are looking at making this particular 01:26:02.200 --> 01:26:04.160 sidewalk ADA compliant, yes. 01:26:04.160 --> 01:26:07.400 - Okay, so it'll be new sidewalk? 01:26:07.400 --> 01:26:08.560 - Yes. 01:26:08.560 --> 01:26:10.080 - Okay. 01:26:10.080 --> 01:26:10.920 Thank you. 01:26:10.920 --> 01:26:15.500 - Anything else on this item? 01:26:16.760 --> 01:26:21.760 No, we'll bring the chair back in. 01:26:21.760 --> 01:26:41.280 - Does anybody else feel like going, (sighs) 01:26:41.280 --> 01:26:43.600 (all laughing) 01:26:43.600 --> 01:26:45.000 - I'll go ahead and call the item 01:26:45.000 --> 01:26:47.680 so we can get started on it, keep rolling. 01:26:47.680 --> 01:26:50.200 Item F, receive a report, hold a discussion 01:26:50.200 --> 01:26:53.880 regarding Texas Department of Transportation 01:26:53.880 --> 01:26:56.120 on system projects in the Denton area 01:26:56.120 --> 01:26:58.400 to include the 35E project. 01:26:58.400 --> 01:27:00.360 We're just trying to keep it moving. 01:27:00.360 --> 01:27:01.200 Keep it moving. - I'll get to open 01:27:01.200 --> 01:27:02.040 the item. 01:27:02.040 --> 01:27:06.520 Holy smokes, how long do y'all talk about that? 01:27:06.520 --> 01:27:08.520 I can't wait to find out what was said. 01:27:08.520 --> 01:27:12.000 Are you kidding me? 01:27:13.120 --> 01:27:16.360 No, just tell me, love fest or battle? 01:27:16.360 --> 01:27:18.080 - We're good, we're good. 01:27:18.080 --> 01:27:18.920 - We're good. 01:27:18.920 --> 01:27:22.240 - Okay, I'm reading some weird body language there. 01:27:22.240 --> 01:27:25.800 All right, tell me later. 01:27:25.800 --> 01:27:28.320 - We're working on making everyone happy. 01:27:28.320 --> 01:27:30.320 - We're working on making everyone happy, all right. 01:27:30.320 --> 01:27:31.560 - Except for staff. 01:27:31.560 --> 01:27:32.880 (all laughing) 01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:36.480 - Oh, that's the usual, so all right. 01:27:36.480 --> 01:27:38.840 I can't wait to hear about item F 01:27:38.840 --> 01:27:43.240 that our vice chair has so nicely opened for us. 01:27:43.240 --> 01:27:49.000 - So, what, three minutes? 01:27:49.000 --> 01:27:50.200 (all laughing) 01:27:50.200 --> 01:27:51.880 - Today you have time. 01:27:51.880 --> 01:27:52.960 - No, I think we're good, right? 01:27:52.960 --> 01:27:53.800 I mean, we're not under pressure. 01:27:53.800 --> 01:27:55.600 - I think we have at least half an hour. 01:27:55.600 --> 01:27:56.440 - Yeah. 01:27:56.440 --> 01:27:57.600 - We're not gonna need it. 01:27:57.600 --> 01:27:59.280 (all laughing) 01:27:59.280 --> 01:28:02.160 Okay, so what we do is we start with the first page. 01:28:02.160 --> 01:28:04.960 It shows you, we've updated some of the costs 01:28:04.960 --> 01:28:06.680 of the projects we're tracking. 01:28:06.680 --> 01:28:08.240 It's about two and a half billion dollars 01:28:08.240 --> 01:28:12.240 worth of roadway improvements that this report covers, 01:28:12.240 --> 01:28:15.720 and as little time as you want me to go through it. 01:28:15.720 --> 01:28:21.640 So, 2181, this project had MCM as a contractor on it. 01:28:21.640 --> 01:28:22.840 They've been terminated. 01:28:22.840 --> 01:28:24.960 I've been told not to use that word. 01:28:24.960 --> 01:28:26.960 - You just did. 01:28:26.960 --> 01:28:29.240 - That's exactly what we're doing. 01:28:29.240 --> 01:28:31.960 We're terminating them from the contract. 01:28:31.960 --> 01:28:33.720 We've gotten some comments from staff 01:28:33.720 --> 01:28:38.320 about making sure TechSight keeps the pedestrian pathways 01:28:38.320 --> 01:28:42.200 viable during this hiatus between getting 01:28:42.200 --> 01:28:44.960 the old contractor off and the new contractor on. 01:28:44.960 --> 01:28:48.040 We got word back from the area engineer 01:28:48.040 --> 01:28:49.560 that they're bringing a blade out, 01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:51.920 and they will blade the areas that need to be bladed 01:28:51.920 --> 01:28:56.280 and put down recycled asphalt product in those areas 01:28:56.280 --> 01:29:00.920 to give them some type of a pervious path 01:29:00.920 --> 01:29:03.840 for walking to school in a construction zone. 01:29:03.840 --> 01:29:05.680 That's no longer a construction zone. 01:29:05.680 --> 01:29:09.400 - One question on that. 01:29:09.400 --> 01:29:13.080 Ranchmen, they were in the middle of tearing up 01:29:13.080 --> 01:29:15.640 crossing ranchmen at the time that this-- 01:29:15.640 --> 01:29:19.400 - So, that sub is still on the job, 01:29:19.400 --> 01:29:21.960 and they are still working to get that back open, 01:29:21.960 --> 01:29:23.960 and we should have some better idea on that. 01:29:23.960 --> 01:29:26.840 I think we're meeting April Fool's Day. 01:29:26.840 --> 01:29:28.920 - Correct. 01:29:28.920 --> 01:29:33.800 - That doesn't imply anything, but we'll look into that. 01:29:33.800 --> 01:29:35.600 We should have some better information 01:29:35.600 --> 01:29:36.920 on when they're gonna get that open, 01:29:36.920 --> 01:29:38.480 'cause that was one of the concerns we had 01:29:38.480 --> 01:29:42.000 when we terminated MTM was making sure 01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:44.280 that the temporary closures they had 01:29:44.280 --> 01:29:45.960 weren't gonna be permanent. 01:29:45.960 --> 01:29:47.320 - Yeah, 'cause the west side, I believe, 01:29:47.320 --> 01:29:50.360 they've reopened, but the east side is still shut down. 01:29:50.360 --> 01:29:55.360 - Yes, and we are doing one thing. 01:29:55.360 --> 01:29:58.680 We're working with the subcontractor. 01:29:58.680 --> 01:30:00.120 We just received an extension 01:30:00.120 --> 01:30:05.120 for extending the closure to the end of May, 01:30:05.120 --> 01:30:09.000 so we're asking them to improve signage 01:30:09.000 --> 01:30:11.680 and improve notification systems 01:30:11.680 --> 01:30:13.680 so that that would be a better, 01:30:13.680 --> 01:30:15.600 it's communicated better to the community. 01:30:15.600 --> 01:30:17.760 I just got that email yesterday, 01:30:17.760 --> 01:30:20.320 so we're trying to work more signage. 01:30:20.320 --> 01:30:24.680 On the city side, if the contractor's not placing them 01:30:24.680 --> 01:30:26.440 on the city side, we'll do so, 01:30:26.440 --> 01:30:31.440 and also have our PIO coordinate the information better. 01:30:31.440 --> 01:30:33.560 - And get it on Waze as well, 01:30:33.560 --> 01:30:36.760 since we're now working with them that that is shut down. 01:30:36.760 --> 01:30:42.280 - So, I'm glad to hear about the path, 01:30:42.280 --> 01:30:43.600 the sidewalk, the walking path. 01:30:43.600 --> 01:30:45.080 That was a concern. 01:30:45.080 --> 01:30:49.080 So, as far as everything else, though, 01:30:49.080 --> 01:30:50.800 like the utilities have been moved, 01:30:50.800 --> 01:30:54.360 everything else is pretty much ready to go 01:30:55.560 --> 01:30:58.560 except for the people to do the work? 01:30:58.560 --> 01:31:00.640 - Sort of. 01:31:00.640 --> 01:31:04.120 This project was one of the projects 01:31:04.120 --> 01:31:09.120 that the city of Denton reluctantly included their utilities 01:31:09.120 --> 01:31:12.000 in the contract itself. 01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:16.000 So, what you saw MCM actually doing out there in 2181 01:31:16.000 --> 01:31:20.040 was the city's utilities on this project, 01:31:20.040 --> 01:31:23.440 and we were trying to keep them on contract, 01:31:23.440 --> 01:31:26.080 at least to get that portion of the project done. 01:31:26.080 --> 01:31:30.200 That was not successfully occurred. 01:31:30.200 --> 01:31:33.880 So, all the utilities except the cities 01:31:33.880 --> 01:31:36.520 are being relocated, and the city's utilities 01:31:36.520 --> 01:31:38.440 were in the contract with the contractor. 01:31:38.440 --> 01:31:39.960 - So, can I follow up on that? 01:31:39.960 --> 01:31:44.520 So, since the contractor, since they are no longer with us, 01:31:44.520 --> 01:31:46.560 is that something the sub's going to do, 01:31:46.560 --> 01:31:49.040 or can that contract be void 01:31:49.040 --> 01:31:52.920 and the city start doing it on their own? 01:31:52.920 --> 01:31:57.200 I mean, I'm looking for ways to keep the project moving. 01:31:57.200 --> 01:32:00.800 - So, this contract has a surety company, 01:32:00.800 --> 01:32:02.480 it's Berkshire Hathaway, 01:32:02.480 --> 01:32:06.520 and they seemed, in our last meeting, 01:32:06.520 --> 01:32:10.040 to understand that initially they were challenging 01:32:10.040 --> 01:32:14.240 the termination, but now they've decided 01:32:14.240 --> 01:32:15.880 that I think it's better for them to move forward. 01:32:15.880 --> 01:32:18.000 So, we think we're gonna get a contractor 01:32:18.000 --> 01:32:21.720 on contract fairly quickly on this job, 01:32:21.720 --> 01:32:23.440 but I don't wanna say it, 01:32:23.440 --> 01:32:26.560 'cause then that'll be the bar, right? 01:32:26.560 --> 01:32:27.400 - Right. 01:32:27.400 --> 01:32:28.440 - I don't wanna do that. 01:32:28.440 --> 01:32:33.120 So, the contract isn't void, per se. 01:32:33.120 --> 01:32:37.920 The surety has stepped in to execute the contract 01:32:37.920 --> 01:32:40.600 on behalf of the company. 01:32:40.600 --> 01:32:43.280 - Okay, so there's, 01:32:43.280 --> 01:32:45.440 whomever is still on the-- - We're still on the hook. 01:32:45.440 --> 01:32:47.760 - For those utilities to be moved. 01:32:47.760 --> 01:32:48.600 - Correct. 01:32:48.600 --> 01:32:51.000 - Okay. 01:32:52.720 --> 01:32:54.880 - One thing I would just caution, 01:32:54.880 --> 01:32:57.040 I mean, we can certainly look at, 01:32:57.040 --> 01:32:58.960 I mean, again, it's gotta be done properly, right? 01:32:58.960 --> 01:33:01.320 We can't just get ahead of this process, 01:33:01.320 --> 01:33:05.840 but if by chance that was an option 01:33:05.840 --> 01:33:07.920 to utilize CityCruise to do that, 01:33:07.920 --> 01:33:10.720 I think we would just need to make sure 01:33:10.720 --> 01:33:13.200 what other projects get sacrificed 01:33:13.200 --> 01:33:16.280 that had already been assigned by CityCruise 01:33:16.280 --> 01:33:19.720 to remove utilities or do utility relocations 01:33:19.720 --> 01:33:20.880 in other areas of the city. 01:33:20.880 --> 01:33:23.960 So, it's just, does something else stop 01:33:23.960 --> 01:33:25.840 to divert attention over here? 01:33:25.840 --> 01:33:27.480 But we obviously would follow the process, 01:33:27.480 --> 01:33:28.560 we wouldn't get ahead of-- 01:33:28.560 --> 01:33:32.120 - Sure, so right now, the former contractor 01:33:32.120 --> 01:33:36.920 was trying to gouge the city on some change orders, 01:33:36.920 --> 01:33:40.640 and the city has the option to simply 01:33:40.640 --> 01:33:42.520 take that part of the contract away from them 01:33:42.520 --> 01:33:46.360 and do self-improvement, I guess, for lack of a better word. 01:33:46.360 --> 01:33:49.440 But it would require you to put a lot of resources 01:33:49.440 --> 01:33:52.480 into this area that would not be available elsewhere. 01:33:52.480 --> 01:33:55.360 And so, we're hoping that the surety 01:33:55.360 --> 01:33:58.400 will bring on a contractor that's more viable 01:33:58.400 --> 01:34:00.440 than the last one, and we can get to the middle 01:34:00.440 --> 01:34:03.080 on the cost issues with the change orders. 01:34:03.080 --> 01:34:06.560 - Okay. - What could happen? 01:34:06.560 --> 01:34:07.640 - Yeah, it's all new to me, 01:34:07.640 --> 01:34:10.520 I'm not used to the contractor utilities, 01:34:10.520 --> 01:34:12.880 there's tax dot, and then so, I mean, 01:34:12.880 --> 01:34:15.440 I guess I just thought that those prices 01:34:15.440 --> 01:34:18.040 would have already been agreed upon, 01:34:18.040 --> 01:34:20.320 and you wouldn't be negotiating. 01:34:20.320 --> 01:34:22.920 - They agreed on what we did on both 377, 01:34:22.920 --> 01:34:24.920 which is our next project in 2181, 01:34:24.920 --> 01:34:29.680 is tax dot put what the city anticipated 01:34:29.680 --> 01:34:32.000 the cost to be in the bid package, 01:34:32.000 --> 01:34:35.320 and then in the 377 case, it was fixed, 01:34:35.320 --> 01:34:37.260 or 2181, I get 'em confused. 01:34:37.260 --> 01:34:42.320 2181 was fixed, so then what happened was, 01:34:42.320 --> 01:34:45.360 is when we got started, there was some delay 01:34:45.360 --> 01:34:49.220 that the MCM claims that the city caused, 01:34:49.220 --> 01:34:52.680 or the tax dot caused, and the city and the state 01:34:52.680 --> 01:34:54.880 are saying no, it's not anywhere near that, 01:34:54.880 --> 01:34:56.920 and so there was this disparity 01:34:56.920 --> 01:34:58.560 in the number of days and the cost, 01:34:58.560 --> 01:35:02.120 and so, the original amount was agreed to, 01:35:02.120 --> 01:35:04.480 but if there's anything that happens subsequent 01:35:04.480 --> 01:35:07.000 to you actually starting the project 01:35:07.000 --> 01:35:08.160 that requires a change order, 01:35:08.160 --> 01:35:09.640 then that's up for negotiation, 01:35:09.640 --> 01:35:13.040 and we were dealing with an entity 01:35:13.040 --> 01:35:16.840 that is a contractor as opposed to a constructor. 01:35:16.840 --> 01:35:19.780 Contractor is somebody who manipulates a contract. 01:35:19.780 --> 01:35:21.520 That's what they do. 01:35:21.520 --> 01:35:24.720 Constructors like Sinicola and Abrams and these guys 01:35:24.720 --> 01:35:27.200 who come into the job, and they do a good job 01:35:27.200 --> 01:35:29.040 'cause they know how to construct things. 01:35:29.040 --> 01:35:31.640 We did not get that on 2181. 01:35:31.640 --> 01:35:33.900 - Okay, thank you. 01:35:33.900 --> 01:35:38.760 - 377 Fort Worth Drive, this project, 01:35:38.760 --> 01:35:43.480 you see 'em there going out and putting up the SW3P. 01:35:43.480 --> 01:35:45.680 You'll note at the bottom, we're having an issue 01:35:45.680 --> 01:35:48.800 with turnaround times. 01:35:48.800 --> 01:35:49.860 I'm gonna go back. 01:35:49.860 --> 01:35:54.600 This looks like a very long section of roadway. 01:35:54.600 --> 01:35:56.760 It's mostly a railroad job 01:35:56.760 --> 01:35:59.320 with a little bit of roadway associated with it. 01:35:59.320 --> 01:36:02.280 All the critical path items are at the railroad, 01:36:02.280 --> 01:36:05.680 and so when I tell you on the next page at the bottom 01:36:05.680 --> 01:36:09.680 that we're having a difficult time getting review comments 01:36:09.680 --> 01:36:14.680 back from UP, there's one gentleman named Doug Wood. 01:36:14.680 --> 01:36:19.960 He's got five states, and we're not getting comments back 01:36:19.960 --> 01:36:23.720 from UP very routinely. 01:36:23.720 --> 01:36:27.220 On this job, you're having problems with UP 01:36:27.220 --> 01:36:32.000 for your quiet zone, so our staff is working with the MPO 01:36:32.000 --> 01:36:35.200 to set up a conference call with Union Pacific 01:36:35.200 --> 01:36:37.120 and their Omaha office headquarters 01:36:37.120 --> 01:36:39.440 to talk about Fort Worth Drive, 01:36:39.440 --> 01:36:46.060 a signal down on 377 and the quiet zone issues for the city. 01:36:46.060 --> 01:36:48.080 - I did something here. 01:36:48.080 --> 01:36:50.640 I thought I sensed you wanted to check it out. 01:36:50.640 --> 01:36:53.240 Since railroad came up, you know. 01:36:53.240 --> 01:36:54.680 - This is Frank. 01:36:54.680 --> 01:36:57.760 - At one time, didn't the city council 01:36:57.760 --> 01:37:01.280 or someone ask or propose that we do a resolution 01:37:01.280 --> 01:37:04.840 or some kind of something to the railroad 01:37:04.840 --> 01:37:09.840 asking them for help or need something? 01:37:09.840 --> 01:37:13.440 What am I thinking about? 01:37:13.440 --> 01:37:15.080 - We originally did in Fort Worth Drive 01:37:15.080 --> 01:37:16.160 try to get it to let. 01:37:16.160 --> 01:37:19.200 We couldn't get them to agree on the exhibit A, 01:37:19.200 --> 01:37:21.640 and the irony is is we were giving them 01:37:21.640 --> 01:37:23.200 additional infrastructure, 01:37:23.200 --> 01:37:25.000 and they still wouldn't work with us on it, 01:37:25.000 --> 01:37:28.560 so it took us nine years to get that exhibit A. 01:37:28.560 --> 01:37:31.400 - What's the escalation path? 01:37:31.400 --> 01:37:34.720 Is there like a sort of governmental body that-- 01:37:34.720 --> 01:37:37.000 - So the-- - Be responsive to us 01:37:37.000 --> 01:37:39.800 and be over there. - FRA is the oversight 01:37:39.800 --> 01:37:44.200 of rail in the country, but they don't have a lot of say 01:37:44.200 --> 01:37:46.200 in what the railroads do, 01:37:46.200 --> 01:37:50.680 because they predate the states in a lot of cases, 01:37:50.680 --> 01:37:54.240 and so the railroad, you almost have to have a visa 01:37:54.240 --> 01:37:55.960 to get onto railroad property. 01:37:55.960 --> 01:37:57.360 I mean, it's that difficult. 01:37:57.360 --> 01:37:58.760 - Different country. - Wow. 01:37:58.760 --> 01:38:02.880 Is, you know, are there any next steps that you're-- 01:38:02.880 --> 01:38:07.080 - Yeah, the next step is is that UP has got a lot of work 01:38:07.080 --> 01:38:09.120 they're doing in the southern part of Dallas County 01:38:09.120 --> 01:38:12.040 that the MPO, COG, has helped funding, 01:38:12.040 --> 01:38:13.920 and as a part of the negotiations, 01:38:13.920 --> 01:38:15.800 COG says if we're gonna help you here, 01:38:15.800 --> 01:38:17.200 you're gonna help us region-wide, 01:38:17.200 --> 01:38:19.760 and so whenever we have a problem with UP, 01:38:19.760 --> 01:38:22.920 we get the MPO to get them on the phone 01:38:22.920 --> 01:38:25.720 and walk the dog, for lack of a better word, 01:38:25.720 --> 01:38:27.480 on how to get it done. 01:38:27.480 --> 01:38:28.440 So that's what we're doing. 01:38:28.440 --> 01:38:31.680 We're setting that up within whatever time 01:38:31.680 --> 01:38:33.480 Michael Moore's schedule will allow, 01:38:33.480 --> 01:38:37.080 but it's just a conference call, so it should be easier. 01:38:37.080 --> 01:38:44.320 So 377, the roadway part of it is going smooth as butter, 01:38:44.320 --> 01:38:47.100 but this critical path project is the railroad, 01:38:47.100 --> 01:38:49.760 and we're having trouble getting those guys to talk to us. 01:38:49.760 --> 01:38:53.400 So your 35 Mayhill job, this is when we're coming in 01:38:53.400 --> 01:38:57.000 and doing what you see at Loop 288, 10 lanes underneath. 01:38:57.000 --> 01:38:58.560 35, this will be 12. 01:38:58.560 --> 01:39:02.440 It'll be significantly larger than 288, 01:39:02.440 --> 01:39:04.200 and this project also will include 01:39:04.200 --> 01:39:07.120 the northbound frontage road from Mayhill 01:39:07.120 --> 01:39:08.840 all the way up to Loop 288, 01:39:08.840 --> 01:39:11.120 'cause we had the southbound frontage road 01:39:11.120 --> 01:39:14.780 improved with the 35E next project, 01:39:14.780 --> 01:39:17.400 but we didn't touch the northbound side 01:39:17.400 --> 01:39:19.120 because we were trying to save money, 01:39:19.120 --> 01:39:20.320 but when we came in with Mayhill, 01:39:20.320 --> 01:39:23.880 we decided we can't keep tearing this place up, 01:39:23.880 --> 01:39:27.380 so let's finish it this next last time. 01:39:29.000 --> 01:39:30.200 In theory. 01:39:30.200 --> 01:39:34.200 So this project moved to a November 2020 let date 01:39:34.200 --> 01:39:36.760 because we extended the project limits 01:39:36.760 --> 01:39:38.080 to take this frontage road 01:39:38.080 --> 01:39:41.800 all the way to the Loop 288 direction. 01:39:41.800 --> 01:39:47.520 - And this will line up with our Mayhill widening? 01:39:47.520 --> 01:39:51.560 - Yes, so right now, you all have Mayhill. 01:39:51.560 --> 01:39:53.880 It's just switched traffic, I think, 01:39:53.880 --> 01:39:55.380 about two, three weeks ago. 01:39:55.380 --> 01:39:57.080 Thank you, I can now get to Lowe's. 01:39:58.720 --> 01:39:59.560 The easy way. 01:39:59.560 --> 01:40:03.220 And then that project, when it completes, 01:40:03.220 --> 01:40:05.200 we've got the $18 million project 01:40:05.200 --> 01:40:07.760 to do the grade separation over DCPA 01:40:07.760 --> 01:40:10.160 and then tie it into Mayhill, 01:40:10.160 --> 01:40:12.720 and what we're trying to do is cheat this job a little bit 01:40:12.720 --> 01:40:15.040 to make those improvements on Mayhill 01:40:15.040 --> 01:40:18.720 as far north as we can to improve that section as well. 01:40:18.720 --> 01:40:21.960 So we got a plan for the whole corridor. 01:40:21.960 --> 01:40:24.680 - Okay. 01:40:26.940 --> 01:40:29.200 - So this is the Loop 288 breaker job. 01:40:29.200 --> 01:40:31.120 As you said earlier, we told you, 01:40:31.120 --> 01:40:33.260 the traffic is now up on the new bridge. 01:40:33.260 --> 01:40:36.580 So it only took them, what, two and a half years 01:40:36.580 --> 01:40:37.640 to do half the project. 01:40:37.640 --> 01:40:40.400 So they're supposed to be done by August. 01:40:40.400 --> 01:40:42.040 - So it's the second half in a few months? 01:40:42.040 --> 01:40:42.880 Okay, good. 01:40:42.880 --> 01:40:44.040 - Yeah, and that's what TechSight, 01:40:44.040 --> 01:40:45.460 if you look at TechSight's report, 01:40:45.460 --> 01:40:48.440 they're showing, oh, they changed it to an asterisk. 01:40:48.440 --> 01:40:50.680 It was August, I changed it to an asterisk 01:40:50.680 --> 01:40:54.320 because I'm not gonna report August 'cause it's a lie. 01:40:54.320 --> 01:40:55.800 And I don't knowingly lie. 01:40:57.800 --> 01:40:59.560 - Just leave the year off. 01:40:59.560 --> 01:41:00.400 It'll be in August. 01:41:00.400 --> 01:41:01.960 (laughing) 01:41:01.960 --> 01:41:03.800 - I'm gonna start doing seasons. 01:41:03.800 --> 01:41:05.240 - Well, they could have kept it on August 01:41:05.240 --> 01:41:06.280 'cause that wasn't there. 01:41:06.280 --> 01:41:09.000 - Yeah, it was supposed to be August of last year. 01:41:09.000 --> 01:41:11.440 So now we're looking at August of next year. 01:41:11.440 --> 01:41:13.780 - So essentially, you saw the traffic change. 01:41:13.780 --> 01:41:18.200 That'll allow them to temporarily put a crossing 01:41:18.200 --> 01:41:21.640 underneath for Brinker to the buckies 01:41:21.640 --> 01:41:23.680 starting in about May or June. 01:41:23.680 --> 01:41:27.920 It'll be, it'll temporarily close 01:41:27.920 --> 01:41:29.420 when they need to work underneath there. 01:41:29.420 --> 01:41:34.000 But essentially they'll be able to establish cross traffic 01:41:34.000 --> 01:41:36.240 in the May timeframe during the remainder 01:41:36.240 --> 01:41:37.480 of the construction of the project. 01:41:37.480 --> 01:41:41.240 So that will relieve some of the congestion at the loop. 01:41:41.240 --> 01:41:46.480 But we're still looking towards the end of the year 01:41:46.480 --> 01:41:48.840 at best for this project to be done. 01:41:51.500 --> 01:41:56.200 Then your I-35EW35 merge is the project 01:41:56.200 --> 01:41:59.480 that we submitted to the commission 01:41:59.480 --> 01:42:01.120 of the Clear Lanes program. 01:42:01.120 --> 01:42:03.880 It's $420 million improvement 01:42:03.880 --> 01:42:05.960 and it goes all the way up to 77. 01:42:05.960 --> 01:42:08.600 And the reason that is is because we're also doing 1173 01:42:08.600 --> 01:42:12.120 where we're routing 1173 up to that location 01:42:12.120 --> 01:42:15.200 and moving the bottleneck past 380 01:42:15.200 --> 01:42:16.840 just moves the bottleneck past 380. 01:42:16.840 --> 01:42:19.180 So we really got to get past 77 01:42:19.180 --> 01:42:21.320 to improve all of this corridor. 01:42:21.320 --> 01:42:23.540 And then we'll make the improvements to 35W 01:42:23.540 --> 01:42:27.600 where we'll have two main lanes coming into 35 01:42:27.600 --> 01:42:29.800 as opposed to the one that's doing it now. 01:42:29.800 --> 01:42:31.960 And it'll have braided ramps on either side 01:42:31.960 --> 01:42:34.200 between the split and 380 01:42:34.200 --> 01:42:36.880 so that you'll solve that congestion problem 01:42:36.880 --> 01:42:39.720 and that safety problem you have right now out there. 01:42:39.720 --> 01:42:43.160 And this has also been submitted to the federal government 01:42:43.160 --> 01:42:44.600 under what's called the InfraGrant, 01:42:44.600 --> 01:42:47.320 which is an innovative financing program. 01:42:47.320 --> 01:42:52.320 And we should know about these sometime in the summer, 01:42:52.320 --> 01:42:57.160 both the Clear Lanes request and the Infra. 01:42:57.160 --> 01:42:58.500 And if we don't get either, 01:42:58.500 --> 01:43:02.160 they will drop to the $150 million alternative 01:43:02.160 --> 01:43:03.820 which we already have the funding for 01:43:03.820 --> 01:43:06.160 which will just simply build the frontage roads, 01:43:06.160 --> 01:43:11.160 fix the dual 35W and it'll be just 380 south. 01:43:11.160 --> 01:43:16.560 And it's subpar. 01:43:16.560 --> 01:43:20.000 But you can only do so much with $150 million. 01:43:20.000 --> 01:43:23.280 - We had talked about a series of, 01:43:23.280 --> 01:43:26.300 because this is completion date 2023, 01:43:26.300 --> 01:43:28.620 we talked about a plan. 01:43:28.620 --> 01:43:33.160 - Oh, that's lead. - Yeah, right. 01:43:33.160 --> 01:43:35.440 Okay, appreciate the correction. 01:43:35.440 --> 01:43:37.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:43:37.200 --> 01:43:39.800 So we talked about a plan of a sequence 01:43:39.800 --> 01:43:42.680 of intermediate steps to relieve some of the traffic pressure 01:43:42.680 --> 01:43:45.320 going up to 380 and is this an appropriate time 01:43:45.320 --> 01:43:48.300 to ask what the status is of that? 01:43:48.300 --> 01:43:51.440 You're giving me a blank look, this is not good. 01:43:51.440 --> 01:43:54.840 You know, do you recall, we talked about like sort of 01:43:54.840 --> 01:43:55.720 just things that can be done 01:43:55.720 --> 01:43:57.120 to kind of relieve some of the pain. 01:43:57.120 --> 01:43:58.840 - The braided ramps are about the only thing 01:43:58.840 --> 01:44:01.080 that can be done and that's that fallback. 01:44:01.080 --> 01:44:04.800 If we, we actually started with the interim improvement 01:44:04.800 --> 01:44:06.800 and then Texas says why don't we just go ahead 01:44:06.800 --> 01:44:08.420 and do the whole shebang. 01:44:08.420 --> 01:44:12.640 So we're trying to get the remaining $300 million 01:44:12.640 --> 01:44:14.520 or whatever to do it right. 01:44:14.520 --> 01:44:17.800 But we're still have an income on contract 01:44:17.800 --> 01:44:20.240 doing the schematic and doing the improvement. 01:44:20.240 --> 01:44:23.040 So it'll just be if we don't know, 01:44:23.040 --> 01:44:24.760 if we don't get the money in the summer, 01:44:24.760 --> 01:44:27.840 we'll just continue on the path of doing the braided ramps 01:44:27.840 --> 01:44:30.200 and the frontage roads, 'cause that will solve 01:44:30.200 --> 01:44:32.560 the congestion problem, the safety problem in those areas 01:44:32.560 --> 01:44:34.280 is just putting the ramps where they need to be. 01:44:34.280 --> 01:44:37.640 - So, and so what's the timing on just that portion of it 01:44:37.640 --> 01:44:41.020 assuming, yeah, Rick, 'cause that'll happen first, right? 01:44:41.020 --> 01:44:43.800 - Right, 'cause so you're looking at having today, 01:44:43.800 --> 01:44:45.960 we have an asterisk on right away in utilities 01:44:45.960 --> 01:44:48.040 because we don't know whether we're gonna do the interim 01:44:48.040 --> 01:44:48.900 or the permanent. 01:44:48.900 --> 01:44:51.680 We have most of the right away on the northbound side 01:44:51.680 --> 01:44:56.320 for the red development, but we don't have the southbound 01:44:56.320 --> 01:44:57.320 side of the right away. 01:44:57.320 --> 01:45:01.060 So what will drive the schedule since the funding 01:45:01.060 --> 01:45:03.520 is already available will be the right away acquisition 01:45:03.520 --> 01:45:06.080 and utility relocations once we know the scope 01:45:06.080 --> 01:45:07.620 of the project we're doing. 01:45:07.620 --> 01:45:08.460 - Okay. 01:45:08.460 --> 01:45:09.280 - So I don't know. 01:45:09.280 --> 01:45:10.120 - Yeah. 01:45:10.120 --> 01:45:10.960 - That's the answer. 01:45:10.960 --> 01:45:13.320 - Although southbound isn't really the issue, right? 01:45:13.320 --> 01:45:16.360 I mean, is it that you can't do the northbound? 01:45:16.360 --> 01:45:20.800 - Yeah, the feds won't let you do, they won't let you, 01:45:20.800 --> 01:45:22.980 you have to do it in a system. 01:45:22.980 --> 01:45:27.600 So for example, on Eagle Parkway to 114, 01:45:27.600 --> 01:45:29.960 we couldn't do there's just a southbound frontage road 01:45:29.960 --> 01:45:32.160 for Tanger and Buckies and all that. 01:45:32.160 --> 01:45:35.160 We also had to do the northbound frontage road 01:45:35.160 --> 01:45:36.360 when nobody really wanted it. 01:45:36.360 --> 01:45:39.700 Now there's 400, I mean, 4 million square feet 01:45:39.700 --> 01:45:42.120 of industrial retail there. 01:45:42.120 --> 01:45:43.480 - Yep. 01:45:43.480 --> 01:45:45.180 - But they don't let you do. 01:45:45.180 --> 01:45:46.020 - Just one side. 01:45:46.020 --> 01:45:47.600 - One side. 01:45:47.600 --> 01:45:48.440 - Okay. 01:45:48.440 --> 01:45:51.640 Yeah, I'm sorry, yeah, go ahead. 01:45:51.640 --> 01:45:55.160 - So on the safety of 35 West, 01:45:55.160 --> 01:45:58.120 so coming back from Fort Worth, it's great. 01:45:58.120 --> 01:46:02.320 There's that one area where it goes down from two lanes 01:46:02.320 --> 01:46:06.600 to one, and it's, you can't see the striping anymore. 01:46:06.600 --> 01:46:07.800 It's almost invisible. 01:46:07.800 --> 01:46:09.000 And so every time I'm doing it, 01:46:09.000 --> 01:46:11.840 it's almost a wreck every single time. 01:46:11.840 --> 01:46:14.400 So we can get with Tina on that to do, 01:46:14.400 --> 01:46:16.080 go out and do some maintenance on the striping. 01:46:16.080 --> 01:46:18.480 That's something that she can do. 01:46:18.480 --> 01:46:20.640 I think they're putting their striping contract 01:46:20.640 --> 01:46:21.640 together right now. 01:46:21.640 --> 01:46:23.280 So this would be a good time to talk to her about it. 01:46:23.280 --> 01:46:25.700 'Cause we're also gonna fix the Fort Worth drive, 01:46:25.700 --> 01:46:28.280 Dallas drive exit, where it's two lanes coming 01:46:28.280 --> 01:46:30.440 into Dallas drive, we're gonna restripe that to one 01:46:30.440 --> 01:46:31.800 back to what it used to be. 01:46:31.800 --> 01:46:34.240 So this would be a good time to ask her about it. 01:46:34.240 --> 01:46:37.040 - Okay, that would help with the safety. 01:46:37.040 --> 01:46:39.000 I was just gonna fade it there. 01:46:39.000 --> 01:46:40.600 Thank you. 01:46:40.600 --> 01:46:42.200 And then 35 North project. 01:46:42.200 --> 01:46:44.440 This is a project that picks up from 38 01:46:44.440 --> 01:46:47.040 and goes all the way up to Canyon Line. 01:46:47.040 --> 01:46:51.320 It's got a scheduled environmental clearance date of May. 01:46:51.320 --> 01:46:53.600 And that's why we're able to add it to the Wishbone 01:46:53.600 --> 01:46:55.820 because by the time we hear about the funding 01:46:55.820 --> 01:46:58.840 for the 420 million, this segment will be cleared, 01:46:58.840 --> 01:47:00.880 which includes that part up to 77. 01:47:00.880 --> 01:47:05.720 So this project is critical to our Wishbone segment 01:47:05.720 --> 01:47:07.240 'cause we're taking part of it 01:47:07.240 --> 01:47:10.360 and adding it to the Wishbone project. 01:47:10.360 --> 01:47:11.360 Did that make sense? 01:47:11.360 --> 01:47:16.780 - To me, I don't remember if I asked you this before, 01:47:16.780 --> 01:47:21.100 but do the plans for this segment include, 01:47:21.100 --> 01:47:25.060 I forget what you call it, but sound barrier walls, 01:47:25.060 --> 01:47:26.200 you know, along the side 'cause you're going 01:47:26.200 --> 01:47:27.040 by neighborhoods. 01:47:27.040 --> 01:47:31.040 - So the answer is that when a project is developed 01:47:31.040 --> 01:47:32.460 to get environmental clearance, 01:47:32.460 --> 01:47:36.520 it has to do a federally mandated noise analysis process 01:47:36.520 --> 01:47:40.220 on wherever those sound walls are reasonable 01:47:40.220 --> 01:47:43.320 and feasible that makes them warranted, 01:47:43.320 --> 01:47:44.900 they are installed. 01:47:44.900 --> 01:47:47.440 - So a study will be done and then that will determine it. 01:47:47.440 --> 01:47:48.280 - A study is being done. 01:47:48.280 --> 01:47:49.840 If we're gonna be done and if we're gonna be cleared 01:47:49.840 --> 01:47:52.440 by May of 2019, the schematic already shows 01:47:52.440 --> 01:47:54.520 where they are or aren't. 01:47:54.520 --> 01:47:57.020 So if you wanna know where the sound walls are 01:47:57.020 --> 01:47:59.620 on the schematic, we can go look at that and tell you. 01:47:59.620 --> 01:48:01.520 - Yeah, that'd be great if you could, you know, 01:48:01.520 --> 01:48:02.840 bring that back at the next report. 01:48:02.840 --> 01:48:03.680 Thanks. - Yes, sir. 01:48:03.680 --> 01:48:07.960 - 'Cause I just, you know, residents have asked me, 01:48:07.960 --> 01:48:09.440 so I'd be curious to see. 01:48:09.440 --> 01:48:12.080 - Right, and we are getting closer to the adjacent 01:48:12.080 --> 01:48:16.160 properties, so there are impacts. 01:48:16.160 --> 01:48:18.520 I just don't know whether, 'cause there's a two step 01:48:18.520 --> 01:48:20.480 process, reasonable and feasible. 01:48:20.480 --> 01:48:23.360 The reasonable is is that you can reduce the noise level 01:48:23.360 --> 01:48:24.760 by five decibels. 01:48:24.760 --> 01:48:31.040 Feasible is your sound wall can't cost more than $25,000 01:48:31.040 --> 01:48:32.880 per benefited receptor. 01:48:32.880 --> 01:48:34.800 So if you've got five benefited receptors, 01:48:34.800 --> 01:48:37.560 the wall can't cost you more than $125,000 01:48:37.560 --> 01:48:38.520 and these are not-- 01:48:38.520 --> 01:48:40.160 - Interceptor means people? 01:48:40.160 --> 01:48:41.000 - You got it. 01:48:41.000 --> 01:48:42.260 - Okay, great. 01:48:42.260 --> 01:48:45.640 - I'm using the language now, sound smart. 01:48:45.640 --> 01:48:49.720 But if it costs more than $125,000, 01:48:49.720 --> 01:48:53.120 then they can't build it and you can't buy your way 01:48:53.120 --> 01:48:54.940 into it because of environmental justice. 01:48:54.940 --> 01:48:58.120 They don't want affluent communities to have more 01:48:58.120 --> 01:49:01.240 environmental justice than less affluent communities. 01:49:01.240 --> 01:49:03.720 So if you don't make the cut on either one of those 01:49:03.720 --> 01:49:06.760 two criteria, you don't get the wall. 01:49:06.760 --> 01:49:08.000 - Interesting, thank you. 01:49:09.520 --> 01:49:12.520 - Okay, so I'm gonna skip this one 'cause this project 01:49:12.520 --> 01:49:14.280 is on hold until the next project. 01:49:14.280 --> 01:49:17.400 So this is the main lanes where HNTB is doing 01:49:17.400 --> 01:49:19.480 the entire schematic for the entire corridor 01:49:19.480 --> 01:49:22.320 from the county line to the split. 01:49:22.320 --> 01:49:27.360 But right now we've got Jacobs on contract to do 01:49:27.360 --> 01:49:30.480 the schematic and the PSNE which are the construction 01:49:30.480 --> 01:49:33.720 documents for just the frontage road portions only. 01:49:33.720 --> 01:49:37.720 And so this will go from all the way up to everybody 01:49:37.720 --> 01:49:40.480 wants to stop right at the railroad track. 01:49:40.480 --> 01:49:42.760 So nobody owns that. 01:49:42.760 --> 01:49:45.040 We're stopping at the railroad track from the north 01:49:45.040 --> 01:49:46.240 and they're stopping from the south. 01:49:46.240 --> 01:49:48.000 So someday we'll have to fix that. 01:49:48.000 --> 01:49:51.320 But this one is just frontage roads both northbound 01:49:51.320 --> 01:49:54.040 and southbound and it sets the grades for the cross street. 01:49:54.040 --> 01:49:59.040 So sometimes the grade like 1171 currently goes over, 01:49:59.040 --> 01:50:04.800 35W, it may be flipped to where 35 goes over 1171. 01:50:05.240 --> 01:50:07.840 That's the new paradigm is for the interstates 01:50:07.840 --> 01:50:11.520 to go elevated and the cross streets stay at grade 01:50:11.520 --> 01:50:13.560 because it's better for development. 01:50:13.560 --> 01:50:17.720 And since 35 goes from Rio to the red, 01:50:17.720 --> 01:50:20.720 you've got a long time to chase out your grade which-- 01:50:20.720 --> 01:50:23.240 - I'm not sure I understood. 01:50:23.240 --> 01:50:26.980 So if 35 is elevated, that's better for development now? 01:50:26.980 --> 01:50:30.260 - Because the cross street, the adjacent corners 01:50:30.260 --> 01:50:33.720 are at grade and they're able to develop those corners. 01:50:33.720 --> 01:50:38.600 If the interstate, if the cross streets go over, 01:50:38.600 --> 01:50:42.000 there's retained walls and bridge abutments. 01:50:42.000 --> 01:50:43.800 - Oh, okay, so you lose land. 01:50:43.800 --> 01:50:46.260 - Jason land is less developable. 01:50:46.260 --> 01:50:51.760 But the other reason is to take a facility 01:50:51.760 --> 01:50:54.400 over at interstate now, it used to be 16.6, 01:50:54.400 --> 01:50:57.680 now it's 18.6 clearance. 01:50:57.680 --> 01:51:00.080 And so that two foot additional height 01:51:00.080 --> 01:51:03.200 makes it almost equitable for the interstate 01:51:03.200 --> 01:51:05.200 to go over instead of the cross street. 01:51:05.200 --> 01:51:08.200 And you stay in your right of way, 01:51:08.200 --> 01:51:12.400 so it's less right of way because it's an interstate. 01:51:12.400 --> 01:51:15.520 So there's, they're changing the grades 01:51:15.520 --> 01:51:16.480 where they're changing the grades 01:51:16.480 --> 01:51:17.520 and they're setting the frontage roads. 01:51:17.520 --> 01:51:18.680 And once they're done with that, 01:51:18.680 --> 01:51:19.880 then they'll take that information 01:51:19.880 --> 01:51:23.020 and give it back to HNTB and they'll incorporate that 01:51:23.020 --> 01:51:25.040 into their ultimate plans for the main lanes 01:51:25.040 --> 01:51:26.800 and the managed lanes and all that. 01:51:29.560 --> 01:51:34.200 U.S. 380 East, this is a segment going all the way out 01:51:34.200 --> 01:51:36.280 to the Collin County line. 01:51:36.280 --> 01:51:38.800 The section in green is where the city, 01:51:38.800 --> 01:51:41.560 previous bikes are, got y'all some funding 01:51:41.560 --> 01:51:46.460 for the 10 foot path out to the green belt. 01:51:46.460 --> 01:51:48.560 That's included in this project. 01:51:48.560 --> 01:51:52.000 Schedule, we've got a hundred parcels 01:51:52.000 --> 01:51:54.160 that we're acquiring in both sections. 01:51:54.160 --> 01:51:57.640 And the scheduled let date 01:51:57.640 --> 01:52:02.080 is February, 2021. 01:52:02.080 --> 01:52:03.680 And this is a fully funded project 01:52:03.680 --> 01:52:07.040 at just a little over $130 million. 01:52:07.040 --> 01:52:08.040 It's already funded. 01:52:08.040 --> 01:52:11.480 - Okay. 01:52:11.480 --> 01:52:12.320 - Yeah, I think, 01:52:12.320 --> 01:52:14.400 TaxDot's having community meetings 01:52:14.400 --> 01:52:17.040 about this project right now. 01:52:17.040 --> 01:52:18.120 - No. - No? 01:52:18.120 --> 01:52:19.720 - No. - Okay. 01:52:19.720 --> 01:52:21.320 - I try to tell them not to do stupid, 01:52:21.320 --> 01:52:23.280 but they don't listen to me. 01:52:23.280 --> 01:52:26.600 They are looking at a feasibility study 01:52:26.600 --> 01:52:30.440 for ultimate 380 improvements as a freeway. 01:52:30.440 --> 01:52:36.080 And so you can't put a freeway down that corridor 01:52:36.080 --> 01:52:38.720 without turning everything into a historical marker, right? 01:52:38.720 --> 01:52:40.240 'Cause it's so close. 01:52:40.240 --> 01:52:42.720 So they're showing alignments 01:52:42.720 --> 01:52:46.060 that just go off to the north in random areas, 01:52:46.060 --> 01:52:47.200 and they're having public meetings, 01:52:47.200 --> 01:52:48.640 and people are saying, 01:52:48.640 --> 01:52:52.360 "Hey, you're putting a road through my backyard." 01:52:52.360 --> 01:52:54.720 And this is a project that won't be ever built 01:52:54.720 --> 01:52:56.400 in the next 20 plus years. 01:52:56.400 --> 01:52:59.040 'Cause that part of a neighborhood 01:52:59.040 --> 01:53:02.600 that's in my district is where that schematic is showing. 01:53:02.600 --> 01:53:05.000 So it's causing a lot of angst, 01:53:05.000 --> 01:53:07.400 and nobody really... 01:53:07.400 --> 01:53:10.240 - I get pummeled regularly by Commissioner Coleman 01:53:10.240 --> 01:53:15.240 about that, 'cause all we're doing is a super street. 01:53:15.240 --> 01:53:17.320 So we're coming in in five locations 01:53:17.320 --> 01:53:18.780 with major traffic crosses. 01:53:18.780 --> 01:53:20.800 We're putting in grade separations. 01:53:20.800 --> 01:53:25.240 NAVO for the high school, Teal, Legacy, 720 and 423. 01:53:25.240 --> 01:53:28.000 So those will be, you won't stop at those cross streets. 01:53:28.000 --> 01:53:31.860 The 380 will go over those cross streets, 01:53:31.860 --> 01:53:35.320 and you'll have exit ramps just like you do on a freeway. 01:53:35.320 --> 01:53:37.240 You'll still have places where you have to stop 01:53:37.240 --> 01:53:38.840 at a signal, May Hill, 01:53:38.840 --> 01:53:44.200 but whatever that road is out there by, crossroads. 01:53:44.200 --> 01:53:46.200 There'll be places where you still have to stop at signals, 01:53:46.200 --> 01:53:48.280 but what we're gonna do is cheat those signal times 01:53:48.280 --> 01:53:51.000 so horribly that they'll try to find another way 01:53:51.000 --> 01:53:53.540 to get there other than at an at-grade crossing. 01:53:53.540 --> 01:53:57.560 So what we're doing is we're gonna move the traffic, 01:53:57.560 --> 01:53:59.440 and it's gonna go from four lanes to six, 01:53:59.440 --> 01:54:01.880 and it's gonna be a free flow 01:54:01.880 --> 01:54:03.480 for the majority of the corridor. 01:54:03.480 --> 01:54:08.120 - Are you, do you have plans to upgrade the intersection 01:54:08.120 --> 01:54:09.360 at the loop in 380? 01:54:09.360 --> 01:54:11.280 - We do not. 01:54:11.280 --> 01:54:14.800 It stops, it's like the railroad, 01:54:14.800 --> 01:54:16.880 it stops right before it. - It just stops. 01:54:16.880 --> 01:54:18.440 Okay. 01:54:18.440 --> 01:54:20.920 - But that's really a loop 288 issue. 01:54:20.920 --> 01:54:23.420 We probably need to look at that. 01:54:23.420 --> 01:54:25.160 And I've made some suggestions. 01:54:25.160 --> 01:54:27.840 I think y'all came with some thoughts. 01:54:27.840 --> 01:54:33.660 Nobody goes north on that frontage road, right? 01:54:33.660 --> 01:54:36.800 You go right to go east on 380, 01:54:36.800 --> 01:54:38.080 or you go left to go in down. 01:54:38.080 --> 01:54:39.780 Nobody that's on that frontage road, 01:54:39.780 --> 01:54:41.000 'cause it's an exit ramp, 01:54:41.000 --> 01:54:41.960 - Yeah. 01:54:41.960 --> 01:54:45.040 - decides, oh, I'm stupid, I wanna get back on, right? 01:54:45.040 --> 01:54:46.820 So what I'm saying is there's a way to improve 01:54:46.820 --> 01:54:50.840 that intersection where you eliminate the through movement, 01:54:50.840 --> 01:54:54.040 and it's just a, it's a turning movement for all directions, 01:54:54.040 --> 01:54:56.360 and it would allow a lot more flow to go through. 01:54:56.360 --> 01:54:58.880 But I haven't gotten TechStart to buy off on that, 01:54:58.880 --> 01:55:02.960 'cause they got it designed for dummies. 01:55:02.960 --> 01:55:06.320 - Yeah, from 380, they make that turn onto it, 01:55:06.320 --> 01:55:08.680 but there's hardly any direct straight. 01:55:08.680 --> 01:55:09.680 - Straight through. 01:55:09.680 --> 01:55:13.200 No, and you see, like garbage and stuff 01:55:13.200 --> 01:55:16.320 in the middle of the road, 'cause nobody drives there. 01:55:16.320 --> 01:55:18.160 - Would you mind saying that part again about-- 01:55:18.160 --> 01:55:21.480 - I won't be able to. (laughing) 01:55:21.480 --> 01:55:25.040 - About, you know, how the lights would be treated 01:55:25.040 --> 01:55:27.440 to kind of encourage traffic-- 01:55:27.440 --> 01:55:31.040 - So there are other places that you can get onto 380 01:55:31.040 --> 01:55:33.360 that aren't those five that'll be grade separated, 01:55:33.360 --> 01:55:36.840 and there are ways to get to those five, 01:55:36.840 --> 01:55:39.360 especially in the eastern part of the corridor, 01:55:39.360 --> 01:55:42.680 there are ways to get to those five locations 01:55:42.680 --> 01:55:44.120 without having to take one of those 01:55:44.120 --> 01:55:45.560 that have an at-grade crossing. 01:55:45.560 --> 01:55:50.040 So if we simply keep the through movement of main lanes, 01:55:50.040 --> 01:55:54.440 majority time, right, then they'll get tired of waiting, 01:55:54.440 --> 01:55:56.800 and they'll go to one of those-- 01:55:56.800 --> 01:55:58.720 - That's why we're all confused. 01:55:58.720 --> 01:56:02.120 I mean, so the idea is you want to keep people going. 01:56:02.120 --> 01:56:04.000 - You want to keep people moving on 380. 01:56:04.000 --> 01:56:05.600 - So you time the lights so that if you're 01:56:05.600 --> 01:56:07.880 kind of at the speed limit, you'll hit the lights. 01:56:07.880 --> 01:56:09.640 - No. - No, okay, that's-- 01:56:09.640 --> 01:56:13.320 - If you're on 380, you'll get the majority of the green. 01:56:13.320 --> 01:56:14.720 If you're trying to get onto 380 01:56:14.720 --> 01:56:17.040 from an at-grade crossing, 01:56:17.040 --> 01:56:19.360 flat people with a road with a signal, 01:56:19.360 --> 01:56:22.880 you'll have to wait a significant amount of time, 01:56:22.880 --> 01:56:25.960 or you'll start to learn to move over one street 01:56:25.960 --> 01:56:30.960 and hit a teal or legacy or 423 or 720, 01:56:30.960 --> 01:56:35.360 which is a grade-separated location, 01:56:35.360 --> 01:56:36.240 and you can get on quicker. 01:56:36.240 --> 01:56:37.520 - So if we want people to go 01:56:37.520 --> 01:56:38.360 to the grade-separated crossings. 01:56:38.360 --> 01:56:41.520 - Correct, we're gonna disincentivize the at-grades 01:56:41.520 --> 01:56:43.680 and incentivize the grade separations. 01:56:43.680 --> 01:56:46.040 And maybe this should be obvious, 01:56:46.040 --> 01:56:49.640 but why is that that we wanted to do one versus the other? 01:56:49.640 --> 01:56:55.520 - Because this is a area that has east-west traffic 01:56:55.520 --> 01:56:59.080 that has no other alternative but 380. 01:56:59.080 --> 01:57:04.080 And if you've been out on 380, it's depressing. 01:57:04.080 --> 01:57:07.520 It's already got the volume for a freeway. 01:57:07.520 --> 01:57:08.360 - Okay. 01:57:08.360 --> 01:57:09.840 - But we can't build a freeway 01:57:09.840 --> 01:57:12.360 because we'd have to tear out everything along the corridor 01:57:12.360 --> 01:57:15.360 because all of those freshwater districts 01:57:15.360 --> 01:57:17.760 allow development to go right up to the right-of-way line, 01:57:17.760 --> 01:57:19.280 and all of that development 01:57:19.280 --> 01:57:21.520 adjacent to the right-of-way was commercial. 01:57:21.520 --> 01:57:23.480 - It clicks in, now I get it, I understand. 01:57:23.480 --> 01:57:24.320 Thank you. 01:57:24.320 --> 01:57:28.840 - Okay, Luke 288. 01:57:28.840 --> 01:57:35.240 This one we're having a meeting on March 28th at McMath. 01:57:35.240 --> 01:57:37.800 It's a public meeting just to let the folks know 01:57:37.800 --> 01:57:39.640 what it is we're planning. 01:57:39.640 --> 01:57:42.720 The schedule is out years. 01:57:42.720 --> 01:57:45.440 We're trying to get the project environment cleared 01:57:45.440 --> 01:57:49.400 next year, and we are designing the project 01:57:49.400 --> 01:57:51.720 as a controlled access freeway. 01:57:51.720 --> 01:57:53.800 So it'll have main lanes and frontage roads 01:57:53.800 --> 01:57:55.480 and grade separations. 01:57:55.480 --> 01:57:57.680 And if we have to stage construct it, 01:57:57.680 --> 01:58:00.880 we're gonna build the northbound frontage road, 01:58:00.880 --> 01:58:02.640 which is the inside part of the loop, 01:58:02.640 --> 01:58:05.480 so that all the development the city has coming to the loop 01:58:05.480 --> 01:58:07.040 will be able to establish themselves 01:58:07.040 --> 01:58:09.720 to the permanent location where the frontage road will be, 01:58:09.720 --> 01:58:13.360 but it'll operate as a two-lane, two-way road 01:58:13.360 --> 01:58:15.120 in the interim, just similar to what we do 01:58:15.120 --> 01:58:17.520 on the D&T extension, 01:58:17.520 --> 01:58:19.280 where we build one of the frontage roads first, 01:58:19.280 --> 01:58:22.560 have it two-way, and then as the traffic develops, 01:58:22.560 --> 01:58:24.440 we build the main lanes and the other frontage road 01:58:24.440 --> 01:58:25.760 and then we flip the traffic. 01:58:25.760 --> 01:58:26.760 So that's the plan. 01:58:26.760 --> 01:58:33.560 - And council, we approved that the frontage road 01:58:33.560 --> 01:58:34.760 - Correct. 01:58:34.760 --> 01:58:37.000 - As a first step, just so that we could keep it 01:58:37.000 --> 01:58:39.920 moving, so when it says ready to let date 2026, 01:58:39.920 --> 01:58:44.920 that's not for the frontage, correct? 01:58:44.920 --> 01:58:47.760 - So what we have, what's causing difficulty 01:58:47.760 --> 01:58:52.760 on loop 288 is if we had an overlay, 01:58:52.760 --> 01:58:55.160 there are, you can kind of see some of them, 01:58:55.160 --> 01:58:59.400 there are a ton of gas wells out here. 01:58:59.400 --> 01:59:03.400 And so we've threaded the needle on a lot of these, 01:59:03.400 --> 01:59:07.400 but the right-of-way is gonna be significantly 01:59:07.400 --> 01:59:10.080 prohibitive on this corridor. 01:59:10.080 --> 01:59:13.840 And the utilities should be not as difficult 01:59:13.840 --> 01:59:17.000 because there aren't, it's a new alignment, 01:59:17.000 --> 01:59:20.000 so there's no utilities in the right-of-way. 01:59:20.000 --> 01:59:24.240 They may cross, like they do at 2449, the DMA line, 01:59:24.240 --> 01:59:26.560 but the right-of-ways really got tech stock concerned 01:59:26.560 --> 01:59:30.880 on this, so they're putting, pushing that time out 01:59:30.880 --> 01:59:32.960 because of the right-of-way. 01:59:32.960 --> 01:59:34.920 - But the frontage part is gonna-- 01:59:34.920 --> 01:59:37.480 - We're buying the right-of-way for all of it. 01:59:37.480 --> 01:59:40.760 You don't go in, your city staff wouldn't either. 01:59:40.760 --> 01:59:44.080 If you're gonna build a ultimate road 01:59:44.080 --> 01:59:46.240 and you're only gonna build part of it to phase one, 01:59:46.240 --> 01:59:47.520 when you go to that property owner, 01:59:47.520 --> 01:59:49.160 you buy everything you need from 'em 01:59:49.160 --> 01:59:51.200 so you don't have to come back four years later 01:59:51.200 --> 01:59:52.240 and bug 'em again. 01:59:52.240 --> 01:59:58.400 So we've gotta buy a lot of right-of-way on this project. 02:00:00.320 --> 02:00:03.720 And those gas wells, if we have to move 'em, 02:00:03.720 --> 02:00:07.120 they're a million, two a pop, just right off the bat 02:00:07.120 --> 02:00:10.320 before you ever have a conversation with 'em. 02:00:10.320 --> 02:00:13.720 - Can't you just make a really tall, tall, tall road? 02:00:13.720 --> 02:00:15.960 (laughing) 02:00:15.960 --> 02:00:19.160 - Wells would be cheaper, I think. 02:00:19.160 --> 02:00:20.240 Vertical's not good. 02:00:20.240 --> 02:00:25.160 The right-of-way is the critical path on this. 02:00:25.160 --> 02:00:27.720 - I have one more question about the Loop 288 02:00:27.720 --> 02:00:32.080 and frontage roads 'cause in the conversation I saw earlier, 02:00:32.080 --> 02:00:33.640 there's a slide that says 428, 02:00:33.640 --> 02:00:35.520 but there's just the slide, empty slide. 02:00:35.520 --> 02:00:36.960 - Yeah, I'll get to that. 02:00:36.960 --> 02:00:39.680 - Okay, will we talk about the frontage road there? 02:00:39.680 --> 02:00:41.560 - That's not part of this. 02:00:41.560 --> 02:00:43.080 That's the section on the other side. 02:00:43.080 --> 02:00:45.600 We can talk about it, yes, on that one. 02:00:45.600 --> 02:00:50.600 - Just to, frontage road in front of the CH Collins Center 02:00:50.600 --> 02:00:54.520 to open up traffic flow through there, 02:00:54.520 --> 02:00:59.520 is that something that we're working on with you guys? 02:00:59.520 --> 02:01:04.160 - So we're doing some Loop 288 improvements at 77 02:01:04.160 --> 02:01:07.760 for the Bonnie and Brady improvements, 02:01:07.760 --> 02:01:10.440 but I don't know if it goes that far east. 02:01:10.440 --> 02:01:13.240 - No, that's something that the city's looking at. 02:01:13.240 --> 02:01:18.400 We have not talked to Texas about that particular segment. 02:01:18.400 --> 02:01:21.600 I know Stewart Road directly connects to the Loop, 02:01:21.600 --> 02:01:23.560 and that's something that we wanna take off 02:01:23.560 --> 02:01:26.440 and have a direct connection between Sherman Drive 02:01:26.440 --> 02:01:28.560 and Locust as a frontage, 02:01:28.560 --> 02:01:32.800 but that's not a project currently on TechStop's radar. 02:01:32.800 --> 02:01:34.920 - So that's a city project, not a TechStop project. 02:01:34.920 --> 02:01:37.120 - We've started the conversation. 02:01:37.120 --> 02:01:39.040 It's not a project at this point, 02:01:39.040 --> 02:01:42.080 but we're looking at options. 02:01:42.080 --> 02:01:44.080 - We can do faith-based engineering, right? 02:01:44.080 --> 02:01:47.800 You just start not knowing where the money's gonna come from. 02:01:47.800 --> 02:01:49.720 - Okay, sorry. 02:01:49.720 --> 02:01:54.480 FM 1515 is a case of faith-based engineering. 02:01:54.480 --> 02:01:56.560 We're advancing the project, 02:01:56.560 --> 02:01:58.200 not knowing where the funding's gonna come from, 02:01:58.200 --> 02:01:59.880 but we're fairly confident. 02:01:59.880 --> 02:02:02.240 For example, we have the 130 million on 380, 02:02:02.240 --> 02:02:03.160 but we can't spend it 02:02:03.160 --> 02:02:05.220 'cause we gotta get through the regulatory process, 02:02:05.220 --> 02:02:06.400 so there's no reason to wait. 02:02:06.400 --> 02:02:08.920 So we're gonna get through the regulatory process 02:02:08.920 --> 02:02:11.320 while we're looking for the money. 02:02:11.320 --> 02:02:13.360 This alignment is the current alignment 02:02:13.360 --> 02:02:14.680 that LTR was looking at. 02:02:14.680 --> 02:02:17.320 City staff has made some suggestions 02:02:17.320 --> 02:02:21.880 as to maybe some alternate improvements on the east side 02:02:21.880 --> 02:02:24.840 to make it more conducive to the future development 02:02:24.840 --> 02:02:26.200 they have there. 02:02:26.200 --> 02:02:30.020 Initially, the consultant that the county hired said no, 02:02:30.020 --> 02:02:35.020 which I was flabbergasted that anybody would take a no 02:02:35.020 --> 02:02:37.740 from a consultant. 02:02:37.740 --> 02:02:39.200 So we met with TechStop and they said, 02:02:39.200 --> 02:02:41.200 "Sure, propose and we'll look at it." 02:02:41.200 --> 02:02:46.080 So we're gonna maybe make some tweaks to the alignment, 02:02:46.080 --> 02:02:49.760 but that's a schedule that we have to get it ready to let, 02:02:49.760 --> 02:02:54.280 and the reason I argue that it's not up to the county 02:02:54.280 --> 02:02:57.900 or the state as to what 1515 looks like 02:02:57.900 --> 02:03:01.320 is because this ultimately will be a city street 02:03:01.320 --> 02:03:03.240 because it operates as a city street 02:03:03.240 --> 02:03:05.340 and it's one of your better industrial parks. 02:03:05.340 --> 02:03:06.920 You wanna have control over it. 02:03:06.920 --> 02:03:08.640 So TechStop should build it 02:03:08.640 --> 02:03:10.560 to whatever design standard you want 02:03:10.560 --> 02:03:14.400 in whatever location you want since you're gonna take it. 02:03:14.400 --> 02:03:16.440 - This is airport road? 02:03:16.440 --> 02:03:17.280 - Airport. 02:03:17.280 --> 02:03:18.180 - Okay. 02:03:18.180 --> 02:03:21.380 - So like they were blocking a traffic circle at the end 02:03:21.380 --> 02:03:22.400 and y'all really need that 02:03:22.400 --> 02:03:25.120 because 18 liters get down there and they get stuck, right? 02:03:25.120 --> 02:03:29.360 So they use your parking lot as a turnaround, the airport. 02:03:29.360 --> 02:03:32.440 And so there's just things that we wanna fix 02:03:32.440 --> 02:03:37.440 that need to be fixed and no consultants gonna say no. 02:03:37.440 --> 02:03:40.920 - I think there's gonna be like a thousand trucks a day 02:03:40.920 --> 02:03:42.000 or something on that road. 02:03:42.000 --> 02:03:44.280 - This road has been needed to be improved 02:03:44.280 --> 02:03:45.760 for many, many moons. 02:03:45.760 --> 02:03:49.560 I mean, it is and with the shift changes 02:03:49.560 --> 02:03:52.400 to go on out there, tragic. 02:03:52.400 --> 02:03:54.600 Which part of our traffic control plan, 02:03:54.600 --> 02:03:55.660 part of the deal we're looking at 02:03:55.660 --> 02:03:57.800 is how to deal with these companies 02:03:57.800 --> 02:04:01.800 as they let their shifts changes during construction 02:04:01.800 --> 02:04:05.300 that we don't destroy them. 02:04:05.300 --> 02:04:10.840 - How will this impact the Bonnie Bray projects? 02:04:10.840 --> 02:04:13.720 'Cause right now airport road becomes Bonnie Bray 02:04:13.720 --> 02:04:16.920 and Bonnie Bray kinda curves off to the side and it stops. 02:04:16.920 --> 02:04:19.880 I'm assuming Bonnie Bray is gonna go straight through. 02:04:19.880 --> 02:04:24.120 Will this then become a signalized or stopped intersection? 02:04:24.120 --> 02:04:27.520 - Make sure you use the (indistinct) 02:04:27.520 --> 02:04:28.360 - You're giving advice now. 02:04:28.360 --> 02:04:31.880 - And hopefully on the southbound 02:04:31.880 --> 02:04:34.340 where you come up to the top of the bridge 02:04:34.340 --> 02:04:35.280 that when we redo this, 02:04:35.280 --> 02:04:38.640 we're gonna eliminate that site issue up there. 02:04:38.640 --> 02:04:42.360 - So one of the options that we're looking at is, 02:04:42.360 --> 02:04:45.120 yes, definitely Bonnie Bray is gonna be straightened out here. 02:04:45.120 --> 02:04:47.560 This is Bonnie Bray that comes in. 02:04:47.560 --> 02:04:50.200 We are looking at an alignment that goes straight. 02:04:50.200 --> 02:04:53.080 Currently, this is a lay down facility for textile. 02:04:53.080 --> 02:04:55.440 So textile already owns that piece. 02:04:55.440 --> 02:04:57.440 And if we go directly over, 02:04:57.440 --> 02:04:59.600 we can cross the railroad at the same time 02:04:59.600 --> 02:05:01.920 we can cross the freeway 02:05:01.920 --> 02:05:03.840 and then bring this furniture down. 02:05:03.840 --> 02:05:06.320 So that's the alignment that we're looking at. 02:05:06.320 --> 02:05:09.620 And that puts that intersection further south 02:05:09.620 --> 02:05:11.200 of these ramps here. 02:05:11.200 --> 02:05:16.000 I think the major concerns here turning and everything 02:05:16.000 --> 02:05:20.060 has to do with these two ramp locations and signals 02:05:20.060 --> 02:05:22.940 as well as this coming in from the airport side. 02:05:22.940 --> 02:05:25.680 So if we further space out this, 02:05:25.680 --> 02:05:29.960 the design could be part of the 1515 project 02:05:29.960 --> 02:05:31.560 where it can be a signal. 02:05:31.560 --> 02:05:35.080 It could be any other roundabout 02:05:35.080 --> 02:05:37.440 or we'll have to look at the number of trucks. 02:05:39.880 --> 02:05:41.760 - 'Cause a roundabout becomes a traffic circle 02:05:41.760 --> 02:05:43.760 if you got to deal with too many trucks. 02:05:43.760 --> 02:05:46.480 Okay. 02:05:46.480 --> 02:05:50.240 FM 1173, this is where I was pointing out 02:05:50.240 --> 02:05:52.840 that the new alignment brings it up to-- 02:05:52.840 --> 02:05:54.560 - Bartol. - Bartol. 02:05:54.560 --> 02:05:56.000 And that's where 77 is. 02:05:56.000 --> 02:05:58.920 And so our improvements on the Wishbone 02:05:58.920 --> 02:06:01.640 go up to this location and picks up 02:06:01.640 --> 02:06:04.360 the improvements that we're proposing on 1173 here, 02:06:04.360 --> 02:06:09.280 which is part of your thoroughfare plan, I hope. 02:06:09.280 --> 02:06:10.120 - It is. - Okay. 02:06:10.120 --> 02:06:14.480 So this is another one where we just started 02:06:14.480 --> 02:06:15.780 faith-based engineering on it. 02:06:15.780 --> 02:06:18.160 It's about 50 million bucks. 02:06:18.160 --> 02:06:20.320 We have Garver, techs that picked up Garver 02:06:20.320 --> 02:06:22.360 to do initially the feasibility study, 02:06:22.360 --> 02:06:26.920 the highlighted part there says the techs that's decided 02:06:26.920 --> 02:06:29.200 to go ahead and move on through the environmental clearance, 02:06:29.200 --> 02:06:32.400 which is where we need to be in order to get this project 02:06:32.400 --> 02:06:35.660 in the hopper for funding consideration. 02:06:35.660 --> 02:06:37.840 And it sets the alignment and that makes it 02:06:37.840 --> 02:06:40.200 where we can protect the corridor going forward. 02:06:40.200 --> 02:06:42.760 So Garver should be on contract 02:06:42.760 --> 02:06:44.120 to do the environmental document. 02:06:44.120 --> 02:06:46.480 Once they get on contract and they tell us the schedule, 02:06:46.480 --> 02:06:50.320 we'll start highlighting the schedule for you 02:06:50.320 --> 02:06:53.360 in those steps that normally have dates. 02:06:53.360 --> 02:06:58.600 So. 02:06:58.600 --> 02:07:00.840 (laughing) 02:07:00.840 --> 02:07:04.080 I was sent the information, all right? 02:07:04.080 --> 02:07:06.000 My wife kept asking me to look at this report 02:07:06.000 --> 02:07:07.800 and I said, "I got it, don't worry about it." 02:07:07.800 --> 02:07:12.240 So y'all have got a very good report on 428, 02:07:12.240 --> 02:07:16.900 but this was what I think pre-tem went over last time 02:07:16.900 --> 02:07:19.200 where we're talking about taking 428 out, 02:07:19.200 --> 02:07:21.640 pass whatever to the outer loop, 02:07:21.640 --> 02:07:25.160 making intersection improvements at 428 and the loop. 02:07:25.160 --> 02:07:27.320 And I sent it over to my staff to say, 02:07:27.320 --> 02:07:29.720 "Hey, you need to insert this information 02:07:29.720 --> 02:07:30.560 for the next report." 02:07:30.560 --> 02:07:31.760 (laughing) 02:07:31.760 --> 02:07:32.600 While I was sitting down. 02:07:32.600 --> 02:07:34.600 - Don't throw them under the bus or anything. 02:07:34.600 --> 02:07:35.920 - It was me. 02:07:35.920 --> 02:07:38.060 I was the one that was, they asked me to look at it 02:07:38.060 --> 02:07:39.480 and I said, "I know all this stuff." 02:07:39.480 --> 02:07:40.960 (laughing) 02:07:40.960 --> 02:07:42.320 - It's all in his brain. 02:07:42.320 --> 02:07:43.320 He just explained it. 02:07:43.320 --> 02:07:45.160 He doesn't need to be on a paper. 02:07:45.160 --> 02:07:48.000 - Next time there'll be pictures and words, here. 02:07:48.000 --> 02:07:49.760 (laughing) 02:07:49.760 --> 02:07:51.920 (mumbles) 02:07:51.920 --> 02:07:53.660 Don't fire me. 02:07:53.660 --> 02:07:56.040 (laughing) 02:07:56.040 --> 02:07:56.880 - Crystal clear. 02:07:56.880 --> 02:07:58.000 - I don't know how to get out of this. 02:07:58.000 --> 02:08:00.200 (laughing) 02:08:00.200 --> 02:08:01.240 Anything else? 02:08:03.160 --> 02:08:06.800 - Well, yeah, actually, I just want to ask you. 02:08:06.800 --> 02:08:10.600 I keep seeing emails about text-out stakeholder meetings. 02:08:10.600 --> 02:08:12.440 Is that something you recommend we go to 02:08:12.440 --> 02:08:14.280 or are you kind of covering us? 02:08:14.280 --> 02:08:16.920 - So that covers a broad spectrum of issues. 02:08:16.920 --> 02:08:21.920 I mean, there's one out there for the upcoming UTP updates 02:08:21.920 --> 02:08:23.300 for the 10-year plan. 02:08:23.300 --> 02:08:26.040 They're listening tours. 02:08:26.040 --> 02:08:28.400 You're better off just telling me what you want 02:08:28.400 --> 02:08:30.960 and not wasting your time and then let's go do it. 02:08:30.960 --> 02:08:31.800 - Okay. 02:08:32.640 --> 02:08:36.440 - But if you're talking about like 380 stuff, 02:08:36.440 --> 02:08:40.400 I mean, if you want to get beat up, show up. 02:08:40.400 --> 02:08:42.360 If you don't, send us. 02:08:42.360 --> 02:08:43.200 (laughing) 02:08:43.200 --> 02:08:44.440 - I'll give that some thought. 02:08:44.440 --> 02:08:45.560 - You don't get beat up that bad. 02:08:45.560 --> 02:08:46.780 I've been to a few. 02:08:46.780 --> 02:08:48.560 (laughing) 02:08:48.560 --> 02:08:49.400 - Thank you very much. 02:08:49.400 --> 02:08:51.320 - It just depends on the issues. 02:08:51.320 --> 02:08:54.480 - Just wear sunglasses and a big hat. 02:08:54.480 --> 02:08:55.560 Don't get noticed. 02:08:55.560 --> 02:08:56.680 (laughing) 02:08:56.680 --> 02:08:58.560 - All right, so that closes item F. 02:08:58.560 --> 02:09:02.320 Let's move to item G, staff reports. 02:09:03.400 --> 02:09:04.800 Just gonna turn it over to Mr. Deshmukhi. 02:09:04.800 --> 02:09:08.480 He's got some comments he'd like to say on the matrix. 02:09:08.480 --> 02:09:12.080 - Yeah, so item number six and 10, 02:09:12.080 --> 02:09:14.920 I think we've talked in length on those. 02:09:14.920 --> 02:09:18.000 I would like to get them removed from the matrix 02:09:18.000 --> 02:09:21.480 since we're, the next step is getting this to council. 02:09:21.480 --> 02:09:22.920 I think we've really vetted out 02:09:22.920 --> 02:09:25.100 all the options and possibilities, so. 02:09:25.100 --> 02:09:26.960 - Okay, well, I can't wait to hear. 02:09:26.960 --> 02:09:29.760 Well, actually, I don't even know if I'll get to hear there. 02:09:29.760 --> 02:09:31.160 I'll wait to see the posting. 02:09:32.480 --> 02:09:36.140 And then the others, we will continue to bring one of these, 02:09:36.140 --> 02:09:38.440 every one of these in future meetings 02:09:38.440 --> 02:09:41.160 as the data becomes available 02:09:41.160 --> 02:09:45.160 or it becomes more pressing to move these items forward. 02:09:45.160 --> 02:09:48.680 I do have some information and I've talked to individual, 02:09:48.680 --> 02:09:52.900 I think I've talked to Mayor Pro Tem Ryan 02:09:52.900 --> 02:09:55.520 about Forest Ridge and some of the ones 02:09:55.520 --> 02:09:59.080 on his request list and provided feedback, 02:09:59.080 --> 02:10:03.160 but for bicycle, pedestrian connectivity, 02:10:03.160 --> 02:10:06.160 and major crossings, we'll bring that item next time. 02:10:06.160 --> 02:10:10.560 And then also the Bonnie Ray US 380, so. 02:10:10.560 --> 02:10:15.440 - Where does the whole railroad crossing 02:10:15.440 --> 02:10:18.280 quiet zones issue fall? 02:10:18.280 --> 02:10:19.640 I mean, it's been before council. 02:10:19.640 --> 02:10:21.720 I just don't, you know, haven't heard of status in a while. 02:10:21.720 --> 02:10:25.220 I know it's basically waiting on the railroad, right? 02:10:25.220 --> 02:10:26.060 - Yes, sir. 02:10:26.060 --> 02:10:28.800 He'll have more of the technical details, 02:10:28.800 --> 02:10:33.800 but we were working very closely with UP Pacific. 02:10:33.800 --> 02:10:38.000 They went through a major layoff last fall, 02:10:38.000 --> 02:10:39.120 I believe it was. 02:10:39.120 --> 02:10:41.240 - They went off hard contact? 02:10:41.240 --> 02:10:45.480 - Basically, so as Mr. Polster said in his comments, 02:10:45.480 --> 02:10:48.040 there's one gentleman that handles five states, 02:10:48.040 --> 02:10:49.360 so that's a problem. 02:10:49.360 --> 02:10:52.320 So we are, we do have an appointment set up 02:10:52.320 --> 02:10:54.080 with Michael Morris in early April 02:10:54.080 --> 02:10:57.680 to discuss a number of things, including this matter. 02:10:57.680 --> 02:11:00.800 And so then hopefully to schedule up a conference call 02:11:00.800 --> 02:11:03.160 with UP to see how we can move the project forward, 02:11:03.160 --> 02:11:06.840 because we've had the quiet zone projects funded 02:11:06.840 --> 02:11:08.040 for quite a bit of time. 02:11:08.040 --> 02:11:11.600 We've worked closely with the consultants that they use. 02:11:11.600 --> 02:11:12.840 We had everything in place, 02:11:12.840 --> 02:11:14.520 and then they went through their layoffs, 02:11:14.520 --> 02:11:16.720 and so everything got pushed back, so. 02:11:16.720 --> 02:11:20.020 - I mean, just to, you know, underscore the point. 02:11:20.020 --> 02:11:21.800 Now, first of all, you can remind me, 02:11:21.800 --> 02:11:26.800 is the intersection where we're a detonator 02:11:27.680 --> 02:11:31.480 woman lost her life, was that one of these crossings? 02:11:31.480 --> 02:11:33.920 Okay, so it's, you know, quiet is like 02:11:33.920 --> 02:11:35.720 a very important benefit that we want, 02:11:35.720 --> 02:11:39.200 but we achieve the quiet by making safety improvements 02:11:39.200 --> 02:11:43.200 that might have, you know, I don't know the details 02:11:43.200 --> 02:11:45.960 to know whether this is a fact, but it might be the case 02:11:45.960 --> 02:11:49.080 that these improvements might have saved her life. 02:11:49.080 --> 02:11:51.480 So that kind of escalates it in my mind. 02:11:51.480 --> 02:11:54.920 - Right, and we are in the process of, pre-TM, 02:11:54.920 --> 02:11:57.520 along with the police department and Mark Oliphant, 02:11:57.520 --> 02:12:00.920 worked together to come up with a design 02:12:00.920 --> 02:12:04.280 to create a, I guess, almost like a swinging gate 02:12:04.280 --> 02:12:05.200 type mechanism. 02:12:05.200 --> 02:12:08.280 It would not be on the railroad right-of-way, 02:12:08.280 --> 02:12:10.360 it would be actually on our own right-of-way, 02:12:10.360 --> 02:12:12.720 so that, again, it doesn't preclude someone 02:12:12.720 --> 02:12:15.560 from going around something and walking onto-- 02:12:15.560 --> 02:12:16.400 - Sounds like it would happen. 02:12:16.400 --> 02:12:18.560 - But if it was in the sidewalk, 02:12:18.560 --> 02:12:20.440 it at least, they'd have to make the effort 02:12:20.440 --> 02:12:23.600 of pushing something to go through it. 02:12:23.600 --> 02:12:28.480 - Yeah, so, I mean, just, I would say in your conversation 02:12:28.480 --> 02:12:31.400 with the remaining employee, you know, 02:12:31.400 --> 02:12:35.080 as you record a request, I would just underscore 02:12:35.080 --> 02:12:37.640 that to you that it's a safety issue, right? 02:12:37.640 --> 02:12:40.120 And it's, you know, that makes it a little higher. 02:12:40.120 --> 02:12:40.960 - Absolutely. 02:12:40.960 --> 02:12:43.960 - Anything else on the matrix? 02:12:43.960 --> 02:12:47.440 - I have some items to add, is that now or concluding? 02:12:47.440 --> 02:12:49.320 - Well, we don't really have concluding items, 02:12:49.320 --> 02:12:50.680 so I think this is it. 02:12:52.280 --> 02:12:54.040 - Okay, so I have a few things. 02:12:54.040 --> 02:12:59.440 A question about the King's Row striping. 02:12:59.440 --> 02:13:01.320 It's just still, like, chalk. 02:13:01.320 --> 02:13:06.440 It hadn't been striped, or it's been paved, 02:13:06.440 --> 02:13:08.920 but it hasn't been striped for a long time, 02:13:08.920 --> 02:13:11.420 the one on the side of the fire station down. 02:13:11.420 --> 02:13:15.320 I know that the opposite side of Sherman 02:13:15.320 --> 02:13:20.320 is still getting redone, but there's no pavement, 02:13:21.000 --> 02:13:23.200 or striping, or any reflectors, 02:13:23.200 --> 02:13:27.400 and so it's hard to see at night there. 02:13:27.400 --> 02:13:35.080 I would like to see a list of the projects 02:13:35.080 --> 02:13:38.400 that can be used for TDC credits, 02:13:38.400 --> 02:13:40.160 and I think we talked about that earlier, 02:13:40.160 --> 02:13:43.280 but if we need to look at those and itemize them 02:13:43.280 --> 02:13:46.660 of importance on this committee to help staff. 02:13:48.400 --> 02:13:51.760 Also, I would like to ask Polster 02:13:51.760 --> 02:13:54.520 to be on a call as soon as possible. 02:13:54.520 --> 02:13:55.960 I know that you just recently had one, 02:13:55.960 --> 02:13:58.200 but regarding the sidewalks, 02:13:58.200 --> 02:14:00.960 but I think that that would be important 02:14:00.960 --> 02:14:03.040 so that you can help with that. 02:14:03.040 --> 02:14:04.720 We've waited a really long time. 02:14:04.720 --> 02:14:12.640 And a discussion, I know that we've talked about discussions 02:14:12.640 --> 02:14:16.120 about complete streets, but as we have, 02:14:16.120 --> 02:14:18.440 I'm thinking about Windsor in particular, 02:14:18.440 --> 02:14:20.680 that's about to be redone, 02:14:20.680 --> 02:14:22.560 and I know that right now, 02:14:22.560 --> 02:14:26.840 it's striped with the parking on the inside 02:14:26.840 --> 02:14:29.120 and the bike lane on the outside, 02:14:29.120 --> 02:14:31.160 and for the section in front of Strickland, 02:14:31.160 --> 02:14:33.040 we talked about switching it, 02:14:33.040 --> 02:14:35.280 and I just wanna have that discussion 02:14:35.280 --> 02:14:39.320 about switching it all the way so that it's safer, 02:14:39.320 --> 02:14:41.600 that the cars are parked, 02:14:41.600 --> 02:14:46.600 and then the bike lane is protected against the curb. 02:14:46.600 --> 02:14:50.040 If that's a conversation we need to have 02:14:50.040 --> 02:14:52.160 before Windsor gets redone 02:14:52.160 --> 02:14:56.480 so that it's planned appropriately for the striping. 02:14:56.480 --> 02:15:01.720 That's all. 02:15:01.720 --> 02:15:03.680 - And it occurs to me, 02:15:03.680 --> 02:15:05.320 I don't know if this is really a matrix item, 02:15:05.320 --> 02:15:08.560 strictly speaking, but I'm reminded 02:15:08.560 --> 02:15:12.600 by the fact that we have great DCTA representation. 02:15:12.600 --> 02:15:15.400 I'd love to hear an update at some point 02:15:15.400 --> 02:15:20.400 on DCTA's plans for introducing more benches and shelters, 02:15:20.400 --> 02:15:27.040 whether or not, if so where. 02:15:27.040 --> 02:15:33.320 Also, did you say, pretend that, 02:15:33.320 --> 02:15:34.840 you're talking about six and 10, right? 02:15:34.840 --> 02:15:36.360 'Cause they go together. 02:15:36.360 --> 02:15:38.000 - Yes. - Yeah, okay. 02:15:38.000 --> 02:15:39.320 As far as moving them off. 02:15:39.320 --> 02:15:41.520 - Anything else? 02:15:41.520 --> 02:15:47.000 - I do have one, and I know this has been said many times 02:15:47.000 --> 02:15:49.800 over the last, almost two years now, 02:15:49.800 --> 02:15:51.400 but since we did hear that TexDOT 02:15:51.400 --> 02:15:53.320 is doing their striping contract, 02:15:53.320 --> 02:15:57.840 can we make sure we contact them about Fort Worth Drive? 02:15:57.840 --> 02:16:04.960 Right where 377 splits off, 02:16:04.960 --> 02:16:07.000 where you go from Fort Worth Drive to Carroll Boulevard 02:16:07.000 --> 02:16:11.200 on the TexDOT side, where the lanes don't match up, 02:16:11.200 --> 02:16:14.920 the actual concrete pour does not match up 02:16:14.920 --> 02:16:17.560 with where the lanes are, and the striping is gone. 02:16:17.560 --> 02:16:22.800 - Okay, I'll, okay, okay. 02:16:22.800 --> 02:16:26.400 - Precham's only heard it, what, 20 times? 02:16:26.400 --> 02:16:30.120 - I think, yeah, we only act after 25. 02:16:30.120 --> 02:16:31.720 - Oh, okay. - Yeah. 02:16:31.720 --> 02:16:35.440 All right, so I think we're all out of items, 02:16:35.440 --> 02:16:40.400 so I'm going to close the meeting at 1117. 02:16:40.400 --> 02:16:41.400 Thank you, everyone.