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 Good afternoon, welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission meeting for

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 Wednesday, June 28th, 2023.

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 This is our work session, and with the quorum present, I will call us to order at 5.30 p.m.

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 I'll let the record show Commissioner Villarreal is absent at this time.

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 First item on our work session is citizen comment on consent agenda.

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 However, we do not have a consent agenda this evening, so we will go move right to number

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 two on our work session, which is clarification of agenda items for this evening's meeting.

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 First item is the minutes for the 14th of June.

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 Commissioners, any comments on the minutes?

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 Questions?

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 Okay.

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 That will move us to items for individual consideration, 3A is V230003.

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 I'll have Mia come up and give us a quick rundown on that, and we'll see if there's

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 any questions.

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 Okay, thank you.

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 Okay, good evening, members of the commission, Mia Hines, Associate Planner.

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 This item, V230003, is a request to reduce the minimum number of vehicular access points

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 from two to one for a proposed multi-family site located at the northwest corner of FM1173

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 and the southbound I-35 frontage road.

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 The site itself is currently zoned MR, and per the Ditten Development Code, recent adoption,

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 we do require at least two full points of vehicular access for residential uses where

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 the development is proposing to construct 30 new dwelling units or more, which this

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 one is, and so we would require normally two points of access per that Code of the Ditten

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 Development Code.

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 However, there are some construction plans for the TXDOT reconstruction of the I-35 per

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 TXDOT in this area that a second drive access point off I-35 would not meet TXDOT standards

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 from the intersection of FM1173 and I-35 and the GORE, proposed GORE, that would be within

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 the TXDOT right-of-way, and so given that information, we are recommending approval

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 of this application. I do have a fuller presentation with a little blown up exhibits, but I can

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 go on through that if you'd like or I can take any questions that you have from this

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 summary.

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 Can I share his questions?

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 Commissioner Pruitt?

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 Thank you, Chair. Can you remind me what TXDOT plans are currently with 77 and how that

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 crosses over and what's happening there?

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 Yeah, 'cause there's some plan, as I recall, for arterial that's going over toward Crum,

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 right?

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 Yes, so Carina Maldonado, Transportation Planner, so in this general area, US77 will realign

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 with Barthold and when, so if you look at our mobility plan, I know we don't have it

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 up here, 77 will have a crossing over with Barthold and then as it goes west, it'll come

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 back down to FM 1173, so it'll go kind of north in this area, and so what you're seeing

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 here is part of that expansion for the frontage roads that will ultimately have on and off

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 ramps to also connect to loop 288.

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 Okay, but the access proposed on the south end is to 1173, not to Barthold, so it won't

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 be that future thoroughfare.

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 This, so this is the Gore point, that will actually be an on-ramp onto I-35, and then

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 further north, or I should say further south, would be the ramps towards future loop 288

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 on the west side, so 77 is not near this area.

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 Barthold is to the north.

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 It's north of here, and then it'll come down, okay, thank you.

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 Yep.

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 Commissioner Cole?

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 Thank you, Chair, so what you're saying is this one access is temporary, so eventually

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 with the ramps in I-35, that would...

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 The driveway access point?

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 Yeah.

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 No, so they are requesting to remove that one completely, the one that's off of I-35,

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 and just stick with the one that's off of FM 1173.

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 Okay.

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 Mia, did you have a discussion with FIRE on this?

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 We did.

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 I didn't see a whole lot of that in the backup, other than that it, you know, it was not public

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 safety concern.

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 My whole issue with this would be the safety of the complex, so...

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 Yeah, usually with the...

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 It's depending on the unit count that kicks in, their requirement for two points of access

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 and meeting, you know, those spacing requirements.

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 Do you remember that number for the unit count?

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 Sorry.

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 Thanks.

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 Sorry.

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 So for FIRE's requirements per the International Fire Code, if they hit the trigger of more

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 than 201 units, then they would meet that remoteness and would require two points of

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 access.

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 So since this proposed development is less than 200, they wouldn't need to meet two points

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 of access for FIRE.

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 They would need to meet it per our development code and would have spacing requirements that

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 they wouldn't need to meet certain FIRE code requirements, so this is just a waiver to

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 drop it down to normally what FIRE would be okay with.

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 Okay.

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 And that was my question.

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 Yep.

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 Okay.

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 Thank you.

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 Anybody else?

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 Okay.

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 Thanks, Mia.

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 Next is 3B, FP230012.

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 Julie has that one.

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 Hi, Julie.

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 Good evening.

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 Julie Wyatt, and I have a final plot.

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 You may be familiar with this project.

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 This is the Agave Ranch project.

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 It is located on FM428, just northeast of town.

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 They have submitted a final plot for the second phase of this project.

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 They have some additional items that they do need to work through in order for it to

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 comply with all of the standards and regulations, and so staff is recommending denial.

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 However, we have no objection to the requested extension to the July 19th planning and zoning

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 meeting, and I'll be happy to answer any questions.

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 Thank you, Julie.

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 Any questions for Julie?

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 Okay.

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 Thank you very much.

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 Next item on the agenda tonight is 3C, FP230010.

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 Are you the stand-in for, Cameron?

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 I am.

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 I'm standing in for Cameron tonight.

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 Julie Wyatt, this is FP230010.

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 This is a final plot for an industrial use.

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 It is located on the northwest side of town in that general area that Mia was discussing.

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 This is south of 1173.

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 Once again, they do have some items that they need to correct in order to meet all the regulations,

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 and so staff is recommending denial.

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 However, we have no objection to the requested extension to July 19th.

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 Great.

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 Thank you, Julie.

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 Any questions for Julie on this one?

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 Great.

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 All right.

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 Thank you.

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 Thank you.

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 We've got two public hearings this evening.

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 First one is 4A, AESA230000.

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 Commissioner Cole will be recusing himself from this item.

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 Hello, Christy.

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 Hi.

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 It's already loaded?

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 Okay.

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 Thanks.

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 So, just do this real quick.

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 Christy Upton, environmental compliance coordinator, and I'm presenting an alternative ESA plan

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 for Hunter Ranch phase one.

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 In summary, Hunter Ranch is requesting to deviate from the environmentally sensitive areas protection

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 requirements by filling in a .14 acre herbaceous wetland, and then they will be recreating

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 the ecological services offered by that wetland closer to a waterway, and staff is recommending

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 approval to get into a little bit more detail.

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 Hunter Ranch received permission to develop under a master plan community plan, and the

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 phase one preliminary plot during that review, we identified that there is that .14 acre

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 wetland that is located generally where two residential lots are being constructed.

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 And then also there is phase one of the civil plans are currently under review.

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 And then a little bit more detail on the wetland that was identified.

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 It was a herbaceous wetland that was -- that seems to have developed after a stock pond.

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 There were some dam failures, and the water remained, and so it had created these wetland

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 conditions.

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 It's isolated, and it's kind of upland of the remainder of the waterway.

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 So the isolation and the development of the site is going to further degrade the wetland

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 if it was to remain, because it would further be isolated from hydrologically.

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 So the proposal is to recreate the wetland by first excavating the soils close to that

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 waterway, and then scraping the existing wetland, transferring the root stock and the seed stock

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 from that existing wetland to the new location, and then supplementing that with a seed mix

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 that is a vegetative cover that would -- that is -- sorry, I missed the word -- that is

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 native and adaptive to those conditions.

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 And then the final product is to expect a 60 percent vegetative cover.

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 Notifications were sent out, and because Hunter Ranch is the only property within the required

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 boundaries of the notifications, Hunter Ranch did offer to host neighborhood meetings with

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 some of the surrounding properties, so those informal meetings were held.

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 I also received several inquiries from residents who were passing by and saw the signs, but

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 no one sent in any responses officially.

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 And our recommendation is to approve the project, and with the conditions that were in your

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 backup, there is one minor correction that is being made, a typo in your backup materials

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 that listed that 90 percent vegetative cover and should say 60 percent.

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 And with that, I'll take any questions.

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 >> Thank you, Kristi.

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 Commissioner Smith.

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 >> There we go.

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 Always nice to get something you haven't seen in six years of being on P&Z, so having never

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 seen something like this where we are basically relocating -- I know it's an AESA -- we've

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 seen AESAs, but an AESA that pertains to specifically relocating a wetland like that, how many times

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 have we done that in the city?

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 What's our past experience with doing that, and you're shaking your head never?

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 >> Yeah, I've never seen this proposed project.

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 I do have another project in the pipeline that you'll be seeing in the near future.

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 The environmental scientist who prepared the plan, she is here.

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 Maybe she can give us a little more insight if you have questions at the public hearing.

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 >> Yeah, we'll wait for one.

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 >> But it's -- yeah, it's kind of a new concept to me as well.

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 >> I think just for the environmental scientist, I'm looking over at you guys because I don't

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 know -- okay, hi.

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 Nice to see you.

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 Who here is that?

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 But in the presentation, I'd like to just know a little bit more about history of replacing

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 these from just past projects since we've never seen something like this that, you know,

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 in theory on paper, it sounds like you can just, you know, cut and paste elsewhere.

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 I don't know.

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 That's not in reality that easy, not environmental scientist.

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 So one was about the success rate.

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 We've seen failures before in other projects when this happened, and how long will it take

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 for it to get back to its -- to what it currently provides to the land and to the community

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 now?

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 Will it be when it gets transplanted?

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 And so I'd like to be able to know more of that information.

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 >> Great.

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 And I assume your presentation is bigger that you're going to be talking about tonight anyway,

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 right?

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 Or is that --

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 >> It's generally what I had prepared.

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 >> Okay.

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 Then if you could incorporate --

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 >> Yes.

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 >> Yeah, well, Commissioner Smith, yeah, has asked.

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 That would be fantastic.

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 Please.

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 >> Absolutely, yes.

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 Thank you.

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 Commissioner Villareal.

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 >> Hi.

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 More generally, when we're doing mitigation efforts for AESAs, do we see at least an equitable

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 return on environmental impact, or what are we looking for in terms of approving an AESA?

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 Does it have to have the same positive impact that the initial ESA would have?

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 >> I guess so.

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 We have a criteria for approval in the Denton Development Code, and Hunter Ranch's project

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 has demonstrated that the project will exceed the minimum expectations.

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 They are recreating the wetlands so that the final acreage would be .23 acres.

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 There's not specifically a measure of the ecological services that is currently there,

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 and there's not a direct correlation to the ecological services that would provide.

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 But we do know that what is currently on the property is pretty low quality as far as species

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 richness and the ability for that wetland to provide those ecological services.

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 And when we talk about ecological services, we're talking about sequestering pollutants

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 and providing habitat to wildlife, just two examples of something that we look for, and

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 by recreating the wetland closer to the waterway and introducing a native mix that is not currently

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 on the property, it's heavily grazed.

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 So a lot of the vegetation is missing from that area.

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 So reintroducing some of that vegetative mix, hopefully it will take off and maybe spread

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 within the riparian zone.

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 So those are some of my hopes to see as well.

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 Just by relocating it closer to the waterway and by putting it within the hydrological

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 flow of the whole discharge of the proposed residential development, this new wetland should

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 provide more services in the future.

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 >> Fantastic.

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 And just for -- the backup was great, but for a layperson like me, would you be able

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 to say that it wouldn't cause any, you know, undue detrimental harm to wildlife in that

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 area?

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 You know, we're moving it, you know, physically we're moving habitat, right, and moving it

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 a bit far away.

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 What's the effect on the wildlife currently in that habitat zone?

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 >> I expect to see that this actually will increase habitat for wildlife because, like

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 I said, it's pretty low quality right now, where it is and what is there, and so by this

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 project we should see a higher quality habitat overall and a greater acreage, so the end

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 result should be an improvement to the environment.

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 >> Fantastic.

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 And I know this is a new mitigation effort, but past mitigation efforts, what's the success

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 rate on past AESAs in terms of either replicating the benefits or even improving on the benefits

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 of past AESAs?

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 >> So I have seen through a few projects now.

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 I've been here five years, and so in that time the projects that had been approved in

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 the past that I've seen come through, we are seeing that there is an opportunity, not only

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 just an opportunity, but there is more vegetation, species richness that's being introduced,

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 and those areas where the vegetative cover is reestablished, the system does have an

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 improvement in the quality of the overall environment around those waterways.

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 >> So since you've been here for the past five years, there's been no failure rate in

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 terms of AESAs?

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 >> I mean, there's times when we still have to work through things, and so I continuously

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 work on that.

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 I'm not going to say that the first time that they plan it, it's successful because I've

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 seen those failures occur, but we don't relent until -- and we don't release the project

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 until we have seen what is in the ordinance, the requirements to meet those criteria.

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 >> Gotcha.

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 Thank you.

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 >> All right.

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 Failure is not an option, right?

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 Any other questions for Chrissy?

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 Thank you very much.

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 >> You're welcome.

00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:31.760
 That will move us to 4B, is Z220022B, and Angie is making her way up.

00:18:31.760 --> 00:18:32.760
 Hello.

00:18:32.760 --> 00:18:33.760
 >> Hey.

00:18:33.760 --> 00:18:36.160
 Good evening, everyone.

00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:38.360
 Just a moment here.

00:18:38.360 --> 00:18:45.040
 Hey, Angie Mangler, Senior Planner, Development Services.

00:18:45.040 --> 00:18:48.160
 This is Brush Creek Rezoning.

00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:51.800
 Before we get into the background of this request, I'm sure you all saw on your backup

00:18:51.800 --> 00:18:57.440
 there are a handful of emails, I think upwards of 50, from residents in our ETJ who were

00:18:57.440 --> 00:18:59.720
 concerned about multifamily development.

00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:04.240
 I wanted to make it clear that we did have an error in our GIS map when we initially

00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:09.520
 posted this, the label red, Brush Creek multifamily, which I can see how that would be misleading.

00:19:09.520 --> 00:19:14.680
 We did quickly correct it and in my emails have corresponded with individuals that this

00:19:14.680 --> 00:19:17.240
 is not a multifamily request.

00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:21.640
 It's actually single family and SC, so I just kind of wanted to address that now as to maybe

00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:27.320
 why you had seen that and make it clear that this is a rezoning request from rural residential

00:19:27.320 --> 00:19:32.960
 and residential one on approximately 18 acres located at the northeast corner of US 377

00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:34.660
 and Brush Creek Road.

00:19:34.660 --> 00:19:35.660
 The request is to rezone.

00:19:35.660 --> 00:19:39.320
 >> Angie, can I interrupt you just a minute because Commissioner Cole hasn't returned

00:19:39.320 --> 00:19:41.320
 yet, so I'm going to go see if we can track you down.

00:19:41.320 --> 00:19:42.320
 >> That is true.

00:19:42.320 --> 00:19:44.960
 >> Yeah, if you don't mind, please.

00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:45.960
 Thank you.

00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:53.960
 >> He may -- yeah, he may -- >> He might want to know.

00:19:53.960 --> 00:19:54.960
 >> Yeah.

00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:55.960
 Right.

00:19:55.960 --> 00:20:02.960
 There's no TV knowing to tell him, hey.

00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:03.960
 Did you find him?

00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:06.360
 Oh, there he is.

00:20:06.360 --> 00:20:09.660
 We almost got completely started without you on this one.

00:20:09.660 --> 00:20:10.660
 Nice.

00:20:10.660 --> 00:20:12.480
 Angie, thank you.

00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:13.480
 Go ahead.

00:20:13.480 --> 00:20:14.480
 >> Yeah, absolutely.

00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:19.560
 So, background on this request, this is a rezoning request on approximately 18 acres

00:20:19.560 --> 00:20:23.640
 located at the northeast corner of US 377 and Brush Creek Road.

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 The request is to rezone from rural residential and residential one to R6 and suburban corridor

00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:30.000
 districts.

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 Of the 18 acres, approximately 15 are being requested to be rezoned to R6 with the intent

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 to develop a single-family residential, and the remaining 2.7 acres located at that hard

00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:44.600
 corner is being requested to be rezoned to suburban corridor.

00:20:44.600 --> 00:20:48.760
 Does have a future land use designation of neighborhood mixed use, which calls for predominantly

00:20:48.760 --> 00:20:54.960
 residential development and a variety of densities and housing types, but also calls for neighborhood

00:20:54.960 --> 00:21:01.760
 serving professional services and retail to help kind of serve those neighborhoods.

00:21:01.760 --> 00:21:07.280
 Staff does find that this is consistent with our comprehensive plan and does meet our criteria

00:21:07.280 --> 00:21:08.280
 for approval.

00:21:08.280 --> 00:21:12.300
 We are forwarding this to you this evening with a recommendation of approval.

00:21:12.300 --> 00:21:17.160
 Neither R6 nor SC would allow for multifamily development by right.

00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:21.640
 If somebody wanted to develop in the future that SC as multifamily, there would have to

00:21:21.640 --> 00:21:25.640
 be an SUP first requested, and you would see this before you again.

00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:31.960
 So, just to kind of help clarify that multifamily component confusion, that's not part of this

00:21:31.960 --> 00:21:32.960
 request.

00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:39.000
 It does allow for a variety of residential types, but multifamily is not one of them.

00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:42.000
 Happy to answer any questions.

00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:43.000
 Questions for Angie?

00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:50.640
 Angie, I know one thing that didn't make sense to me as I was reading the backup is it mentioned

00:21:50.640 --> 00:21:53.880
 11 students being proposed.

00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:55.160
 That seems really low.

00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:56.160
 Sure.

00:21:56.160 --> 00:21:58.160
 How did that number come about?

00:21:58.160 --> 00:22:05.080
 I do not have that math, but I did reach out to Argal ISD and let them know I had a project

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 that was within their boundaries and asked for an estimate based on the proposed R6 zoning

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 and the single-family development.

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 They provided me with their estimate for what they typically see in developments of this

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 type, and I was given the number 11 students were projected for the approximately 51 homes

00:22:25.760 --> 00:22:28.400
 that this development would generate.

00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:32.600
 That seems too low to me.

00:22:32.600 --> 00:22:37.680
 I mean, I could see it with the way a lot of homes are developed in this area, 11 being

00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:44.360
 one of them, because they were bigger lots and a lot less homes, but okay, I'll hold

00:22:44.360 --> 00:22:48.720
 other questions because I think I saw Commissioner Pritz hand up.

00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:51.080
 Thank you, Chair.

00:22:51.080 --> 00:22:56.400
 So I made the mistake of going back and watching the three hours of the public hearing that

00:22:56.400 --> 00:23:03.180
 occurred back in 2019, not the mistake, but then being facetious here.

00:23:03.180 --> 00:23:08.040
 It seemed to me that staff at that time, and I understand different staff, it's been five

00:23:08.040 --> 00:23:14.880
 years or four years, whatever the math works out to, it was suggested within that public

00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:24.680
 hearing that the community mixed-use future land use designation required some sort of

00:23:24.680 --> 00:23:30.800
 mixed-use zoning district that MN at that time was the least intensive that they thought

00:23:30.800 --> 00:23:33.320
 would comply with that.

00:23:33.320 --> 00:23:39.400
 Can you explain to me, just elaborate more why this is in conformance to the future land

00:23:39.400 --> 00:23:44.280
 use map and we're not seeking a change to the future land use map alongside this?

00:23:44.280 --> 00:23:45.280
 Sure.

00:23:45.280 --> 00:23:49.660
 Well, the community mixed-use, this has the future land use designation of neighborhood

00:23:49.660 --> 00:23:53.840
 mixed-use, which is kind of the lens I viewed this under.

00:23:53.840 --> 00:23:59.480
 Community mixed-use, we kind of had this discussion with the PD a couple months ago where we see

00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:05.320
 it being more of a retail-centered district with residential as being the supporting component,

00:24:05.320 --> 00:24:10.080
 whereas the way neighborhood mixed-use breeds is that it's really intended for a variety

00:24:10.080 --> 00:24:16.640
 of neighborhoods in a different type of densities and product type, but where commercial is

00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:17.840
 appropriate.

00:24:17.840 --> 00:24:24.320
 The suburban corridor land use in this area, it's intended to be along major thoroughfares

00:24:24.320 --> 00:24:30.560
 with Brush Creek Road and US 377 both being primary arterials, it creates an ease of access

00:24:30.560 --> 00:24:35.640
 to serve the neighborhoods that you see developing around this area like Sage Brook, and then

00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:38.920
 I think it's Ridgecrest, which is a little bit further to the northwest.

00:24:38.920 --> 00:24:44.640
 So that was kind of some of how we got to this landing point.

00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:47.160
 Anything else?

00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:48.480
 Okay.

00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:52.040
 Any other questions?

00:24:52.040 --> 00:25:01.080
 Yeah, I guess with Karina here, I'm sure you don't have the answer to this, but I'll ask

00:25:01.080 --> 00:25:02.080
 it anyway.

00:25:02.080 --> 00:25:05.040
 I mean, we are a long way from this looking like SC.

00:25:05.040 --> 00:25:13.440
 I mean, these roads right now, it's barely neighborhood with the way they're developed.

00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:20.440
 So what's a ballpark time frame in your estimate?

00:25:20.440 --> 00:25:23.800
 Sorry, I don't know that I fully caught the question.

00:25:23.800 --> 00:25:25.920
 What's the time frame for it?

00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:31.280
 For that intersection to be what it ... To be at ultimate conditions.

00:25:31.280 --> 00:25:35.200
 So I can sort of answer the question with the information I know on 377, which is a

00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:36.200
 textile roadway.

00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:42.720
 It is currently not even anywhere in any future roadway construction project.

00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:50.480
 So it's not anticipated to have any major construction on it to be at its ultimate capacity.

00:25:50.480 --> 00:25:56.160
 So with this development, there might be some mitigation needed when it does come in for

00:25:56.160 --> 00:26:04.000
 a development past the zoning stage, and that was anticipated in the TIA, but the extent

00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:08.440
 of that would be auxiliary lanes, which are your right and left turn lanes to serve the

00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:09.440
 site.

00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:14.260
 It wouldn't necessarily be to increase capacity of those roadways.

00:26:14.260 --> 00:26:21.280
 With that said, Brush Creek is anticipated within the next, I'd say five to 10 years,

00:26:21.280 --> 00:26:24.840
 to be on a CIP project for the city of Denton.

00:26:24.840 --> 00:26:27.160
 In the next 10 years, you said?

00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:31.520
 I'm giving a rough kind of time frame because it obviously needs to go through a bond program

00:26:31.520 --> 00:26:38.360
 to be on a CIP, but the city does have plans because we do have projects further to the

00:26:38.360 --> 00:26:44.480
 east for other phases of Brush Creek/Hickory Creek.

00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:49.140
 So these would be continuing phases of that project once we identify funding.

00:26:49.140 --> 00:26:56.560
 So for the city, I say near-term is five to 10 years, for TechStat it's sort of an unknown.

00:26:56.560 --> 00:27:01.800
 In terms of this development specifically, I don't believe that there would be any perimeter

00:27:01.800 --> 00:27:06.120
 street improvements past right turn lanes that would be warranted.

00:27:06.120 --> 00:27:09.640
 I can go back to the TIA and look at that specifically, but I don't believe it's going

00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:11.200
 to be anything to that extent.

00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:12.200
 Okay.

00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:13.200
 I appreciate it.

00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:14.200
 Yep.

00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:15.200
 Taking my question.

00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:16.200
 Commissioner Perrett?

00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:17.200
 Sorry.

00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:18.200
 Transportation again.

00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:27.280
 My memory must be failing me, but I thought the extent of the Hickory Creek project that

00:27:27.280 --> 00:27:35.080
 had 2019 bond funding was riverside over to 377.

00:27:35.080 --> 00:27:38.700
 So it actually ends at Country Club, I believe.

00:27:38.700 --> 00:27:44.640
 So further to the east is the terminus for the current CIP projects, and then the phases

00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:49.920
 that I'm talking about is actually from Country Club up to 377 and then extending further

00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:53.920
 through the Sagebrook development all the way to I-35.

00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:58.480
 Those two are future CIP projects that we anticipate, but don't yet have funding.

00:27:58.480 --> 00:27:59.480
 Okay.

00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:00.480
 Thanks.

00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:01.480
 Yep.

00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:03.480
 I'll just kind of stay here just in case.

00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:05.400
 I don't see any other hands up.

00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:07.200
 Thank you, Karina.

00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:14.360
 Angie, just to the north of this, can you elaborate on those lots?

00:28:14.360 --> 00:28:16.560
 Because I'm kind of looking at the zoning map right now.

00:28:16.560 --> 00:28:20.760
 I think I saw self-storage coming in somewhere.

00:28:20.760 --> 00:28:21.760
 Sure.

00:28:21.760 --> 00:28:22.760
 Let me just go...

00:28:22.760 --> 00:28:23.760
 Yeah.

00:28:23.760 --> 00:28:24.760
 That might help.

00:28:24.760 --> 00:28:25.760
 Yeah.

00:28:25.760 --> 00:28:30.280
 So there's a mix of land uses in zoning districts, both within the city and the ETJ, but directly

00:28:30.280 --> 00:28:37.600
 to the north is Residential 1, and I believe we can see it better on this aerial.

00:28:37.600 --> 00:28:38.720
 Sorry for jumping back and forth.

00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:41.600
 They do take access through that lot to some storage.

00:28:41.600 --> 00:28:47.160
 So you have Residential 1, which is here, and then you've got the MN to the north.

00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:52.480
 There is access to self-storage and I think some other kind of office warehouse type uses

00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:56.880
 that are situated within our ETJ, but they're not within the city limits.

00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:59.720
 So at this time, these lots are...

00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:00.720
 They're currently undeveloped.

00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:01.720
 Okay.

00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:06.200
 And on the subject property now is like an outbuilding in a residence?

00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:07.200
 Is that what I saw?

00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:11.720
 This driveway that you see right here is leading to a single-family residence, and then there's

00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:13.720
 a few little accessory structures.

00:29:13.720 --> 00:29:19.200
 There is a gas well that has been plugged near the center of the site, but it's largely

00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:20.200
 armed up.

00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:26.360
 I assume, yeah, the sellers of the land are they who are living on it, I assume.

00:29:26.360 --> 00:29:28.380
 I mean, that structure's going away.

00:29:28.380 --> 00:29:30.280
 The structure's going away.

00:29:30.280 --> 00:29:33.920
 I don't know if it's currently owner-occupied or I don't have those details.

00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:34.920
 Okay.

00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:35.920
 Well, the applicant's here tonight, right?

00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:38.200
 Yes, the applicant will be here to speak on their behalf.

00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:42.880
 Yeah, I mean, what I'm struggling with is just with this request that we don't have

00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:50.320
 a lot of protection from what's already there, particularly that really nice rural space that's

00:29:50.320 --> 00:29:54.020
 just to the east of this.

00:29:54.020 --> 00:30:02.480
 So trying to see how that kind of density would be and how that changes things for them,

00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:09.080
 those backyards on Kiowa there that are literally going to back to this development.

00:30:09.080 --> 00:30:13.000
 So I'm struggling a little bit there because we don't have any kind of protections in place

00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:14.760
 with this request.

00:30:14.760 --> 00:30:19.560
 And then as well, I'm struggling with the SC because again, I mean, we're far from suburban

00:30:19.560 --> 00:30:24.240
 corridor and gosh knows when we're ever going to get to anything on that corner that would

00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:29.440
 look like suburban corridor, and it concerns me that suburban corridor does allow multifamily.

00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:33.240
 I know with an SUP, but an SUP is not a way to zone land.

00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:41.560
 And so anyway, I'm just throwing my concerns out right now as I'm mulling through things.

00:30:41.560 --> 00:30:44.160
 Anybody else have any questions for Angie?

00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:45.160
 Okay.

00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:46.160
 Appreciate you.

00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:47.160
 Thank you.

00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:50.320
 We'll look forward to the fuller presentation at the meeting.

00:30:50.320 --> 00:30:52.700
 That is it on our agenda for this evening.

00:30:52.700 --> 00:30:55.000
 So I will adjourn our work session at 6.01.

00:30:55.000 --> 00:31:07.240
 We'll meet up in council chambers at 6.30.

00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:10.200
 Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission meeting for

00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:13.760
 Wednesday, June 28th, 2023.

00:31:13.760 --> 00:31:18.040
 With the quorum present, I will call us to order at 6.35 p.m.

00:31:18.040 --> 00:31:22.440
 Let the record show that Commissioner McDade is absent from tonight's meeting.

00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:26.600
 Next item on our agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance to the U.S. and Texas Flags.

00:31:26.600 --> 00:31:34.800
 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for

00:31:34.800 --> 00:31:41.800
 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

00:31:41.800 --> 00:31:48.800
 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for

00:31:48.800 --> 00:31:49.800
 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

00:31:49.800 --> 00:31:50.800
 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for

00:31:50.800 --> 00:31:51.800
 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

00:31:51.800 --> 00:31:52.800
 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for

00:31:52.800 --> 00:31:53.800
 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

00:31:53.800 --> 00:31:54.800
 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for

00:31:54.800 --> 00:31:55.800
 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

00:31:55.800 --> 00:31:56.800
 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for

00:31:56.800 --> 00:31:57.800
 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

00:31:57.800 --> 00:31:58.800
 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for

00:31:58.800 --> 00:31:59.800
 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

00:31:59.800 --> 00:32:00.800
 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for

00:32:00.800 --> 00:32:01.800
 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

00:32:01.800 --> 00:32:28.720
 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for

00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:52.920
 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:22.840
 will be not having a point of access off of I-35 and sticking with one point of access off of FM1173.

00:33:22.840 --> 00:33:30.280
 So here in providing your backup is the exhibit for the requested variance showing that currently

00:33:30.280 --> 00:33:31.360
 proposed.

00:33:31.360 --> 00:33:35.760
 Second point of access that would be off of I-35, again, the variance is to remove that

00:33:35.760 --> 00:33:40.200
 point of access and just allow this site to be served with the one off of FM1173.

00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:46.520
 The reason they are requesting this is because some construction plans for the I-35, that

00:33:46.520 --> 00:33:56.920
 area of I-35 shows that there is a proposed gore approximately 150 feet aligned just south

00:33:56.920 --> 00:34:04.440
 of that north eastern most corner of this property, where TXDOT's requirement for a

00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:12.440
 driveway spacing from that gore is 200 feet north of that point where that triangular

00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:16.440
 point that you see there, pointed on the side, that's the gore.

00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:20.760
 And so the minimum spacing requirement from that point is 200 feet to the north.

00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:24.160
 Obviously, you can see with the existing frontage, they wouldn't be able to meet that.

00:34:24.160 --> 00:34:26.880
 They only have 150 feet there.

00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:31.480
 And then another issue that they would run into as far as going south of the gore would

00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:39.440
 be the spacing between the intersection of FM1173 and I-35 needs to be a minimum of 425

00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:40.440
 feet.

00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:45.920
 There is a small typo in the AIS, it does say 495 feet, that correct, that is supposed

00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:48.840
 to be 425 feet.

00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:53.800
 It's also in the variance exhibit there, but I wanted to make that correction for the record.

00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:58.920
 It is 425 feet and that spacing would not work either, again, given the gore that's

00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:03.640
 going to be there and then the existing frontage just would not be able to accommodate the

00:35:03.640 --> 00:35:08.000
 drive that would meet those two requirements.

00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:13.040
 And so with that and the requested or with this being a variance request, subdivision

00:35:13.040 --> 00:35:17.920
 variance request, we did put it up against our criteria for approval in our subdivision,

00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:21.400
 I'm sorry, our DDC subchapter two.

00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:25.920
 And then specifically those items that I just stated, TxDOT's access management manual is

00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:30.840
 partially intended to provide guidelines to ensure safe and proper access management and

00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:36.000
 assist in protecting the public investment and transportation by preserving roadway efficiency

00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:37.520
 and enhancing traffic safety.

00:35:37.520 --> 00:35:41.720
 And so, of course, by having that second port of access or requiring that second port of

00:35:41.720 --> 00:35:46.920
 access to be along I-35, they would be out of compliance with TxDOT standards which are

00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:50.880
 meant to implement, provide safety.

00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:54.920
 And so with that, staff is recommending approval of this request as it does comply with those

00:35:54.920 --> 00:36:00.480
 criteria and at this time I will take any questions or concerns that you have.

00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:01.480
 Thank you, Mia.

00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:03.280
 Any questions for me at this time?

00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:04.280
 Okay.

00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:05.360
 I don't see any.

00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:06.360
 Thank you.

00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:07.360
 Okay.

00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:08.360
 Okay.

00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:09.360
 The chair.

00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:10.360
 Commissioner Smith.

00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:11.360
 I make a motion to approve.

00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:12.360
 I make a motion to approve.

00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:13.360
 Second.

00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:14.360
 Okay.

00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:15.720
 We've got a first and a second for approval.

00:36:15.720 --> 00:36:16.720
 Is there any discussion?

00:36:16.720 --> 00:36:17.720
 Okay.

00:36:17.720 --> 00:36:28.100
 Seeing none, let's vote on the board, please.

00:36:28.100 --> 00:36:29.600
 That motion carries 6-0.

00:36:29.600 --> 00:36:33.720
 That'll move us to 3-B, FP230012.

00:36:33.720 --> 00:36:35.840
 And Julie's making her way up for our presentation.

00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:36.840
 Hi, Julie.

00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:37.840
 Good evening.

00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:40.480
 Julie Wyatt, principal planner with the city.

00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:46.280
 Let me pull up the presentation.

00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:48.760
 All right.

00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:49.760
 Good evening.

00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:50.760
 Julie Wyatt.

00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:54.120
 This is FP230012.

00:36:54.120 --> 00:36:58.280
 It's a final plat for the next phase of the Agave Ranch development, which is a single

00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:07.800
 family residential development located on the northeast side of town, just east of FM428.

00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:11.680
 They do have some items that they need to correct per our development code and criteria

00:37:11.680 --> 00:37:14.960
 manual, so staff does recommend denial of the request.

00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:19.440
 However, we have no objection to the requested 30-day extension to July 19th.

00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:22.600
 I'll be happy to answer any questions.

00:37:22.600 --> 00:37:24.080
 Thank you, Julie.

00:37:24.080 --> 00:37:26.160
 I do not see any questions here on the board.

00:37:26.160 --> 00:37:28.960
 Thank you much.

00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:29.960
 Commissioner Smith.

00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:34.360
 I make a motion to approve the extension of date certain July 19th, 2023.

00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:35.360
 Commissioner Anderson.

00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:36.360
 Second.

00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:40.920
 So we've got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of

00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:44.240
 July 19th, 2023.

00:37:44.240 --> 00:37:45.240
 Any discussion?

00:37:45.240 --> 00:37:46.240
 Okay.

00:37:46.240 --> 00:37:54.480
 Let's vote on the board, please.

00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:56.120
 That motion carries 6-0.

00:37:56.120 --> 00:38:03.120
 That will take us to our next item, which is 3C, FP230010, and Julie will be presenting

00:38:03.120 --> 00:38:12.560
 that item as well.

00:38:12.560 --> 00:38:15.560
 This is FP230010.

00:38:15.560 --> 00:38:17.540
 This is also a final plat.

00:38:17.540 --> 00:38:25.760
 It is for a property located on the northwest side of town, just south of FM1173.

00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:31.400
 The proposed use is an industrial type use, warehouse type use.

00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:35.240
 As with the previous plat, they do have some items that they need to correct in order for

00:38:35.240 --> 00:38:37.120
 it to conform to the minimum standard.

00:38:37.120 --> 00:38:39.480
 So staff does recommend denial.

00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:45.440
 However, we have no objection to that requested extension to July 19th.

00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:46.440
 Thank you, Julie.

00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:47.440
 I do not see any questions.

00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:48.440
 Thanks.

00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:49.440
 Appreciate you.

00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:53.120
 Commissioner Villarreal.

00:38:53.120 --> 00:38:57.200
 Make a motion to approve the extension to a date certain of July 19th, 2023.

00:38:57.200 --> 00:38:58.200
 Thank you.

00:38:58.200 --> 00:38:59.200
 Commissioner Cole.

00:38:59.200 --> 00:39:00.200
 Second.

00:39:00.200 --> 00:39:04.040
 We've got a first and a second to approve the extension request to a date certain of

00:39:04.040 --> 00:39:07.520
 July 19th, 2023.

00:39:07.520 --> 00:39:09.040
 Any discussion on that?

00:39:09.040 --> 00:39:10.040
 Okay.

00:39:10.040 --> 00:39:18.080
 Let's vote on the board, please.

00:39:18.080 --> 00:39:20.280
 That motion carries 6-0.

00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:23.640
 That will take us to our public hearing portion of the evening.

00:39:23.640 --> 00:39:33.760
 And first up, we have 4A, AESA 23-0001, and Christy is on her way to present that item.

00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:35.120
 Hi, Christy.

00:39:35.120 --> 00:39:38.520
 I will go ahead at this time and open the public hearing.

00:39:38.520 --> 00:39:47.120
 Thank you, Christy Upton, Environmental Compliance Coordinator, and I will be presenting an alternative

00:39:47.120 --> 00:39:53.920
 ESA plan for Hunter Ranch Phase 1.

00:39:53.920 --> 00:40:03.360
 In summary, this is a request to fill in 0.14 acres of herbaceous wetlands to construct

00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:10.360
 two residential lots in exchange for the removal of this environmentally sensitive area.

00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:19.800
 The applicant is proposing to replace the wetlands with 0.23 acres of herbaceous wetlands

00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:24.880
 closer to a waterway, and staff recommends approval.

00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:32.400
 Really quickly, a background on this, Hunter Ranch is a master plan community, and with

00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:38.720
 that approval of the plan for this master plan community, Hunter Ranch started planning

00:40:38.720 --> 00:40:46.960
 for Phase 1, and with the approval of the preliminary plot for Phase 1, staff had identified

00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:51.400
 a small herbaceous wetland of 0.14 acres.

00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:52.400
 It's an upland habitat.

00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:56.600
 I'll go into a little bit more detail in a second.

00:40:56.600 --> 00:41:04.440
 And then Phase 1 is also currently, staff is currently reviewing the civil plans.

00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:12.440
 This herbaceous wetland was likely developed from a stockpond that has been on the property

00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:17.400
 for some time, and is of low quality.

00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:20.240
 It has very few different types of plants in it.

00:41:20.240 --> 00:41:28.680
 We call it species richness, but it does have wetland qualities to it, the soils, the vegetation

00:41:28.680 --> 00:41:33.560
 meet those criteria of a wetland.

00:41:33.560 --> 00:41:42.000
 The wetland does overflow to this Roark branch, which it traverses the property from south

00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:50.740
 to north, and the Roark branch eventually meets up with Hickory Creek to the north.

00:41:50.740 --> 00:41:58.800
 The remainder of the environmentally sensitive areas on the property serve a purpose of protecting

00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:02.040
 the waterway.

00:42:02.040 --> 00:42:11.080
 The project is to remove this wetland and to fill it in to be able to construct two residential

00:42:11.080 --> 00:42:12.160
 lots.

00:42:12.160 --> 00:42:17.720
 What will happen when these residential lots are constructed is that it will end up isolating

00:42:17.720 --> 00:42:25.520
 the wetland from hydrologically receiving water in order to support that vegetation.

00:42:25.520 --> 00:42:32.480
 Essentially, even if the residential lots were not built, that isolated wetland become

00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:36.860
 even more isolated, even more degradated, and probably wouldn't be a wetland in the

00:42:36.860 --> 00:42:38.680
 long term.

00:42:38.680 --> 00:42:43.000
 The better solution is to relocate the wetland.

00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:49.440
 In this location that they have chosen, it will both be receiving flow from this pond

00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:58.560
 that they will be constructing, as well as it will be intercepting flow from the residential

00:42:58.560 --> 00:43:01.640
 neighborhood in the future.

00:43:01.640 --> 00:43:11.600
 The plan is to excavate the soils to create a basin, and then before they fill in the

00:43:11.600 --> 00:43:18.840
 current wetland, they will be scraping the roots and the seed stock and the soils from

00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:23.880
 the wetland and transplanting them to this new location.

00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:35.040
 In addition to that, they will be supplementing the effort with a greater species richness,

00:43:35.040 --> 00:43:40.880
 introducing new species that are native and adaptive to these wetlands.

00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:46.960
 Finally, the plan is to achieve a 60% vegetative cover.

00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:54.840
 That 60% vegetative cover is because you expect the bottoms of the wetland to remain wet for

00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:59.760
 periods of time, which then doesn't support for the vegetation to be able to grow in those

00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:02.000
 wet areas very well.

00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:09.240
 You're really expecting the vegetation to be at the perimeter of the pond.

00:44:09.240 --> 00:44:15.200
 Notifications were sent out, and staff received no responses.

00:44:15.200 --> 00:44:22.120
 As some notification was, the direct mailers were to the Hunter Ranch property, and Hunter

00:44:22.120 --> 00:44:29.160
 Ranch recognizing that they're our neighbors, they went and had informal meetings with those

00:44:29.160 --> 00:44:32.800
 neighbors to explain the project.

00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:39.440
 I did receive some inquiries from residents passing by and seeing the signs, but we did

00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:42.800
 not receive any responses.

00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:48.760
 Staff is recommending approval with the conditions that were in your backup, with one minor

00:44:48.760 --> 00:44:56.080
 revision a typo in the percentage of vegetative cover.

00:44:56.080 --> 00:45:03.520
 There were some questions at the work session about projects like this before, and so chatting

00:45:03.520 --> 00:45:10.840
 with the environmental scientists, she's explained that Peloton Land Solutions, who is the consultant

00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:15.040
 doing this work, has worked on projects like this before.

00:45:15.040 --> 00:45:22.680
 However, they have identified that the Corps of Engineers is the one that typically they

00:45:22.680 --> 00:45:29.560
 are doing this type of project with, but the Corps of Engineers prefers mitigation banking,

00:45:29.560 --> 00:45:37.440
 and the mitigation banks, those property owners, are then doing this type of project on a larger

00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:39.080
 scale.

00:45:39.080 --> 00:45:45.040
 She's also said that creating these wetlands is more effective than trying to create other

00:45:45.040 --> 00:45:54.040
 ecological systems, and that this project being designed to have that direct hydrological

00:45:54.040 --> 00:46:00.000
 flow is going to really be helpful.

00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:05.600
 She also wanted to emphasize that in addition to the seed stock that I mentioned earlier,

00:46:05.600 --> 00:46:11.920
 there's also the wetland soils, so the bacteria and organisms that are in those soils, and

00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:20.960
 the chemical makeup of those soils will really help the new vegetation really take off, and

00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:25.280
 the wildlife to take off, and that's about the summary of it.

00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:26.280
 Great.

00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:29.560
 With that, I'll take any other questions.

00:46:29.560 --> 00:46:33.200
 Any questions for Christy?

00:46:33.200 --> 00:46:37.120
 Commissioner Smith, I'll ask you, I know that was your question in work session, just making

00:46:37.120 --> 00:46:39.160
 sure that you got your questions answered.

00:46:39.160 --> 00:46:44.920
 I think the answer helps out, especially saying that the USACOE says that this is the secondary

00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:50.040
 preferred type, but honestly, mitigation banking is not going to work in this scenario.

00:46:50.040 --> 00:46:56.640
 I think that being reintroduced to a new hydrology area as well, the environmental scientist

00:46:56.640 --> 00:46:59.940
 that's working on this has done this type of project before, gives me more comfort.

00:46:59.940 --> 00:47:00.940
 Thank you.

00:47:00.940 --> 00:47:01.940
 Great.

00:47:01.940 --> 00:47:02.940
 Thank you, Commissioner Smith.

00:47:02.940 --> 00:47:05.960
 I don't see any other questions, Christy, thank you.

00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:06.960
 This is a public hearing.

00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:09.600
 I don't have any cards in front of me for this item.

00:47:09.600 --> 00:47:14.680
 Is there anyone wishing to speak on this item?

00:47:14.680 --> 00:47:19.280
 Seeing none, I will close the public hearing and open the floor for discussion or a motion.

00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:20.280
 Commissioner Smith?

00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:21.800
 I make a motion to approve.

00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:22.800
 Commissioner Pruitt?

00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:23.800
 Second.

00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:24.800
 Okay.

00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:28.600
 We've got a first and a second for approval as presented.

00:47:28.600 --> 00:47:30.720
 Any discussion?

00:47:30.720 --> 00:47:44.000
 Okay, seeing none, let's go ahead and vote on the board, please.

00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:46.720
 That motion carries 5-0.

00:47:46.720 --> 00:47:50.280
 We'll give a moment for Commissioner Cole to return as he had to recuse himself from

00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:51.280
 that.

00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:52.760
 There he is.

00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:53.760
 Okay.

00:47:53.760 --> 00:48:02.360
 We'll go ahead and move to our next public hearing item, which is 4B, Z220022, and Angie

00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:04.480
 is here for presentation.

00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:05.480
 Good evening.

00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:06.480
 Hi.

00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:08.080
 Good evening, Chair and members of the commission.

00:48:08.080 --> 00:48:12.000
 Before you begin, I'm going to go ahead and open the public hearing.

00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:13.000
 Thank you.

00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:15.160
 I'll pull up my presentation real quick.

00:48:15.160 --> 00:48:16.160
 Okay.

00:48:16.160 --> 00:48:19.000
 Angie Maglaris, Senior Planner, City of Denton.

00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:21.640
 This is Z220022.

00:48:21.640 --> 00:48:26.640
 It is a rezoning case for Brush Creek Residential and Commercial.

00:48:26.640 --> 00:48:29.080
 A little bit of background on this case.

00:48:29.080 --> 00:48:33.600
 This is a request to rezone approximately 18 acres of land situated at the northeast

00:48:33.600 --> 00:48:40.040
 corner of US 377 and Brush Creek Road from Rural Residential and Residential 1 to Residential

00:48:40.040 --> 00:48:42.080
 6 and Suburban Corridor.

00:48:42.080 --> 00:48:49.280
 The breakdown of that is approximately 15.7 acres of the total subject area is being requested

00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:54.880
 to be rezoned to R6 with the intent to develop as future single-family residential.

00:48:54.880 --> 00:49:00.120
 The remaining 2.7 acres situated at the hard corner is being proposed to be rezoned to

00:49:00.120 --> 00:49:04.360
 Suburban Corridor, or SC, for future commercial development.

00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:09.200
 As stated, this is located at the northeast corner of Brush Creek Road and US 377, both

00:49:09.200 --> 00:49:13.520
 of which are designated as primary arterials on our mobility plan.

00:49:13.520 --> 00:49:18.440
 It does have a future land use designation of neighborhood mixed use in the Denton 2040

00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:20.120
 comprehensive plan.

00:49:20.120 --> 00:49:25.160
 As it is today, the site is predominantly undeveloped open pasture.

00:49:25.160 --> 00:49:29.160
 There is a residential home on the site that does have some supporting accessory structures

00:49:29.160 --> 00:49:33.280
 along with it, and there's a plugged gas well towards the middle of the site.

00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:39.000
 There's a variety of residential zoning districts in different types of densities, both within

00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:42.400
 the city and in the ETJ surrounding the subject property.

00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:49.200
 There's also some undeveloped parcels to the north-northwest, as well as some smaller commercial

00:49:49.200 --> 00:49:54.480
 structures in the ETJ area surrounding the subject property.

00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:59.360
 When reviewing the request, staff did compare it to the 2040 comprehensive plan and found

00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:05.080
 that the request to rezone to R6 and SC is consistent with the designation of neighborhood

00:50:05.080 --> 00:50:06.600
 mixed use.

00:50:06.600 --> 00:50:11.560
 Neighborhood mixed use is predominantly intended to apply to residential areas, but does recognize

00:50:11.560 --> 00:50:16.260
 that local serving retail and service uses are appropriate and critical to achieving

00:50:16.260 --> 00:50:17.980
 balanced neighborhoods.

00:50:17.980 --> 00:50:21.920
 The proposed zoning districts are intended to accommodate a variety of residential housing

00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:27.200
 types, as well as facilitate commercial development at a scale that will be compatible with those

00:50:27.200 --> 00:50:29.320
 neighborhood developments.

00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:34.720
 The most eastern portion of the site is a transition area where you have some ETJ out

00:50:34.720 --> 00:50:40.520
 to the east in larger lots, and the site transitions from that larger lot, rural residential style

00:50:40.520 --> 00:50:46.240
 towards the more intensive residential uses that we're starting to see along the US 377

00:50:46.240 --> 00:50:49.360
 corridor as that area develops.

00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:54.200
 In addition to that, this development is consistent with the housing and neighborhood goals that

00:50:54.200 --> 00:50:57.960
 the comprehensive plan calls for, which calls to develop and maintain a housing stock that

00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:04.560
 meets all needs of our residents in a variety of choices, types, costs, and locations throughout

00:51:04.560 --> 00:51:07.220
 the city.

00:51:07.220 --> 00:51:12.220
 Staff is recommending approval of this request in reviewing it against the general criteria

00:51:12.220 --> 00:51:15.960
 for approval, as well as our criteria for zoning approval.

00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:20.600
 Staff does find that this is consistent with the goals of the comprehensive plan, as well

00:51:20.600 --> 00:51:22.080
 as the DDC.

00:51:22.080 --> 00:51:30.500
 Specifically, the proposed zoning to residential six permits a development of residential styles

00:51:30.500 --> 00:51:35.000
 and a variety of price points that could create greater housing diversity in the area, while

00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:41.760
 the SC proposed rezoning would allow for neighborhood serving commercial, which will be critical

00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:46.720
 to serving those neighborhoods out in that region as the US 377 corridor continues to

00:51:46.720 --> 00:51:53.980
 develop with developments in the region like Sagebrook that are starting to be under construction.

00:51:53.980 --> 00:51:58.480
 Any development that would be approved is required to meet all the requirements of the

00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:07.040
 DDC and any, I'm sorry, I just totally lost my train of thought there, but the development

00:52:07.040 --> 00:52:14.280
 would have to meet all the requirements of the DDC as per any project in the city.

00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:17.640
 Just to give you a little bit of background on the traffic impact analysis, there was

00:52:17.640 --> 00:52:21.840
 a traffic impact analysis that was submitted and approved by our city staff.

00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:27.280
 It contemplated up to 51 dwelling units, as well as approximately 2,500 square feet of

00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:29.180
 commercial development.

00:52:29.180 --> 00:52:35.240
 The TIA did make several recommendations, including a southbound left-hand turn lane

00:52:35.240 --> 00:52:41.280
 at US 377 in the most northern driveway, which I'll point out is right here, and that would

00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:46.240
 come at the time of the residential development portion of this project.

00:52:46.240 --> 00:52:51.900
 For the future commercial, the TIA made several recommendations, including a southbound left-hand

00:52:51.900 --> 00:52:58.280
 turn lane and a westbound right-hand turn lane to be installed on US 377, as well as

00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:03.120
 a southbound left-hand turn lane and a westbound right-hand turn lane installed at the Brush

00:53:03.120 --> 00:53:08.240
 Creek intersection.

00:53:08.240 --> 00:53:14.480
 Staff did notify in accordance with both state law and the Denton Development Code.

00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:16.040
 You can see the buffer area here.

00:53:16.040 --> 00:53:20.400
 We did not receive any responses within our city limit notification boundary.

00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:25.100
 However, as you'll see in your backup, we did receive approximately 50 emails from residents

00:53:25.100 --> 00:53:27.160
 residing in the ETJ.

00:53:27.160 --> 00:53:32.280
 The applicant did hold three neighborhood meetings in advance of this public hearing.

00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:35.680
 Staff is forwarding this to you this evening with a recommendation of approval, as it does

00:53:35.680 --> 00:53:40.440
 meet both our general criteria for approval and our criteria for approval for zoning cases.

00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:43.920
 The next step in this project will be a public hearing at City Council, which is scheduled

00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:46.040
 for July 18th.

00:53:46.040 --> 00:53:47.840
 I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.

00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:51.960
 The applicant is also here with a brief presentation.

00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:52.960
 Commissioner Smith.

00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:53.960
 Thank you, Chair.

00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:56.120
 Angie, you said it in the work session, but you didn't mention it now.

00:53:56.120 --> 00:54:00.360
 Can you talk about capability of multifamily on this property?

00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:01.360
 Yes.

00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:03.160
 Thank you for reminding me.

00:54:03.160 --> 00:54:07.640
 The requested rezonings are to SC and R6.

00:54:07.640 --> 00:54:11.800
 Neither of those proposed rezoning districts or those zoning districts would allow for

00:54:11.800 --> 00:54:14.080
 multifamily development by right.

00:54:14.080 --> 00:54:20.200
 R6 does allow for a variety of housing types, which includes detached single family, duplexes,

00:54:20.200 --> 00:54:22.160
 townhomes and triplexes.

00:54:22.160 --> 00:54:28.160
 SC contemplates multifamily being appropriate with the approval of a specific use permit.

00:54:28.160 --> 00:54:32.720
 So if later down the line, if somebody wanted to apply for a multifamily development on

00:54:32.720 --> 00:54:37.000
 those 2.7 acres, we would be in a process much similar to this where a public hearing

00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:38.160
 would have to be held.

00:54:38.160 --> 00:54:39.160
 Great.

00:54:39.160 --> 00:54:40.160
 Thank you, Angie.

00:54:40.160 --> 00:54:41.160
 Thank you.

00:54:41.160 --> 00:54:45.200
 I don't see any other questions at this time.

00:54:45.200 --> 00:54:47.320
 I've got several cards in front of me.

00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:48.920
 The first one being the applicant.

00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:54.160
 So I'll go ahead and invite him down for presentation.

00:54:54.160 --> 00:54:55.600
 He'll state your name and address.

00:54:55.600 --> 00:54:56.600
 Your time will begin.

00:54:56.600 --> 00:54:57.600
 Good evening.

00:54:57.600 --> 00:54:58.600
 Absolutely.

00:54:58.600 --> 00:54:59.600
 Good evening, everyone.

00:54:59.600 --> 00:55:01.160
 My name is Omar Awais.

00:55:01.160 --> 00:55:08.120
 Address is 5225 Los Colinas Boulevard, Irving, Texas, 75039.

00:55:08.120 --> 00:55:09.360
 So my name is Omar Awais.

00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:13.760
 I own a family development business called Red Rock Communities.

00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:18.200
 We were hired by the owner of this property to help him develop out the property.

00:55:18.200 --> 00:55:20.640
 As you all know, there was some history with this property.

00:55:20.640 --> 00:55:25.160
 I believe the applicant tried to, the owner tried to get it rezoned to multifamily a few

00:55:25.160 --> 00:55:26.520
 years ago.

00:55:26.520 --> 00:55:30.080
 That was not seen very favorably by residents in the area.

00:55:30.080 --> 00:55:34.540
 He wanted some help from somebody that does a lot of single family developments to potentially

00:55:34.540 --> 00:55:36.640
 do a single family development here.

00:55:36.640 --> 00:55:39.360
 So I'll tell you a little bit about me and my company.

00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:44.300
 We primarily focus on single family projects around the DFW Metroplex.

00:55:44.300 --> 00:55:47.800
 Most of our projects have been closer to this area, a little bit east of here.

00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:52.240
 If you know where Bartonville is, we developed 170 acres over there right behind Marty B's

00:55:52.240 --> 00:55:55.920
 and right around the corner of where that tractor supply is.

00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:59.160
 Our primary kind of focus for our company is luxury.

00:55:59.160 --> 00:56:00.840
 We do everything kind of luxury.

00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:04.080
 We haven't done very much production homes, entry level homes.

00:56:04.080 --> 00:56:09.560
 So everything we typically have done has been in the, I'd say, $800,000 plus range for homes

00:56:09.560 --> 00:56:11.080
 and developments.

00:56:11.080 --> 00:56:13.760
 We've partnered with a lot of builders over the years.

00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:14.960
 We've partnered with Toll Brothers.

00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:18.640
 We've partnered with a lot of custom builders, Pentevia Custom Homes, Lingenfelter Custom

00:56:18.640 --> 00:56:21.400
 Homes, and a few others.

00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:26.720
 The reason why this owner reached out to us is because he feels like this more luxury

00:56:26.720 --> 00:56:30.960
 kind of look to this development would probably be ideal here.

00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:35.240
 So we've kind of done the land plan in a way and the landscape package that we've selected

00:56:35.240 --> 00:56:40.200
 and some of the monumentation that we're working through has all been to target more of a kind

00:56:40.200 --> 00:56:42.320
 of a luxury look for the neighborhood.

00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:47.240
 I understand 50 foot lots, it's kind of hard to visualize what a luxury kind of feel and

00:56:47.240 --> 00:56:48.240
 look would look like.

00:56:48.240 --> 00:56:51.040
 But there's several of those neighborhoods up in Frisco and a few others.

00:56:51.040 --> 00:56:55.600
 So we want to make sure it's luxury, but at the same time, it's also a sellable product

00:56:55.600 --> 00:56:56.600
 kind of within the area.

00:56:56.600 --> 00:56:59.720
 So that's what we're working towards.

00:56:59.720 --> 00:57:05.320
 We held three neighborhood meetings, we tried to be the first two, we sent it out to everybody

00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:09.520
 that was within the buffer, but I don't think there was a lot of people within that buffer

00:57:09.520 --> 00:57:12.040
 so not many people showed up to the first two.

00:57:12.040 --> 00:57:17.240
 The last one we sent out, we actually reached out to the Hills of Argyle HOA and we sent

00:57:17.240 --> 00:57:19.840
 them the notice and they notified their residents.

00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:23.020
 And so we had a few more people show up to the third one.

00:57:23.020 --> 00:57:24.920
 We kind of went through the project with them.

00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:29.320
 I know there's a lot of concern from the neighboring property and from the neighbors.

00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:32.520
 So we tried to answer as much as we could.

00:57:32.520 --> 00:57:36.520
 You know, one thing I kind of pride myself on and the company that we work for is we're

00:57:36.520 --> 00:57:39.000
 very honest and straightforward about things.

00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:42.960
 If there's things that we can do that's within reason that we can kind of do to help this

00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:49.880
 be more of an easy project for people to swallow landscape packages, fencing, a better look,

00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:53.680
 we're open to all of that and we're happy to work with the residents.

00:57:53.680 --> 00:57:57.840
 Density, we tried to do this with 60 foot lots and 70 foot lots.

00:57:57.840 --> 00:58:01.400
 The numbers just don't work out based off of the purchase price and based off of kind

00:58:01.400 --> 00:58:03.040
 of the economics around it.

00:58:03.040 --> 00:58:07.280
 50 foot lots is kind of the best that we can really do on this property.

00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:12.280
 So we're hoping that you all kind of see that we're doing the best that we can and making

00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:14.840
 this a nice community.

00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:19.040
 The owner did, we did talk over the last few weeks, he's given me full authority to be

00:58:19.040 --> 00:58:22.720
 able to make decisions on his behalf here and be able to answer as many questions as

00:58:22.720 --> 00:58:24.340
 I can.

00:58:24.340 --> 00:58:28.400
 In regards to the commercial piece on the corner, right now there's no plans at all

00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:32.640
 in terms of what he would put there but it would be a neighborhood service of some kind

00:58:32.640 --> 00:58:36.120
 but he's not going to be building any kind of spec'd out commercial property.

00:58:36.120 --> 00:58:38.960
 It would be based off of what the need is in there.

00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:42.400
 Right now though he's ready to move forward with a single family piece of the development

00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:46.520
 if we're able to get that rezoned so we'll go straight to design plans and be able to

00:58:46.520 --> 00:58:48.080
 go break ground.

00:58:48.080 --> 00:58:52.280
 We're going to be, my company's going to be responsible to take the project through entitlements,

00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:57.020
 through construction and delivery of the lots to a builder and I'm also responsible for

00:58:57.020 --> 00:58:59.760
 picking the builders that we can bring into this neighborhood.

00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:03.760
 We have not selected who those builders are, we were in conversations with a few different

00:59:03.760 --> 00:59:07.840
 builders out there but we have not made that selection yet but obviously we would want

00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:12.160
 to keep it under the typical branding that we would normally do which is something on

00:59:12.160 --> 00:59:13.160
 the higher end side.

00:59:13.160 --> 00:59:16.040
 I just don't know what that is just yet.

00:59:16.040 --> 00:59:20.680
 It's really all I had but I'm happy to answer any questions to the best of my ability.

00:59:20.680 --> 00:59:23.280
 Okay, thank you, we do have a question.

00:59:23.280 --> 00:59:24.280
 Commissioner Smith.

00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:25.280
 Thank you Chair.

00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:30.520
 The, Sid mentioned that right now it was before the single family residential section.

00:59:30.520 --> 00:59:37.160
 The commercial section then will he, if the zoning moves through, after that single family

00:59:37.160 --> 00:59:42.480
 residential part begins, will the commercial section of that land still be owned by the

00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:46.200
 owner or will that be transferred off to another entity at that point in time?

00:59:46.200 --> 00:59:47.720
 No, at this point it will remain with the owner.

00:59:47.720 --> 00:59:48.720
 Okay.

00:59:48.720 --> 00:59:49.720
 Yeah, he's not planning on selling that.

00:59:49.720 --> 00:59:50.720
 Okay.

00:59:50.720 --> 00:59:51.720
 Yeah, he's not told me he wants to sell it.

00:59:51.720 --> 00:59:56.120
 He wouldn't sell it until, until, locates, locates a commercial use, a commercial, some

00:59:56.120 --> 00:59:57.120
 sort of commercial developer.

00:59:57.120 --> 00:59:58.120
 Like a built to suit.

00:59:58.120 --> 00:59:59.120
 Correct.

00:59:59.120 --> 01:00:00.120
 Yeah.

01:00:00.120 --> 01:00:01.120
 For that purpose.

01:00:01.120 --> 01:00:02.120
 Okay.

01:00:02.120 --> 01:00:03.120
 That's correct.

01:00:03.120 --> 01:00:04.120
 I should.

01:00:04.120 --> 01:00:05.120
 Yeah.

01:00:05.120 --> 01:00:06.120
 And typically with these commercial developments they want to have the residential completed

01:00:06.120 --> 01:00:09.320
 and built out to have, to generate the needs and demand for, for that so I'm, I'm assuming

01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:13.080
 he would want to wait until houses are built, people are moved in before you can really

01:00:13.080 --> 01:00:14.080
 capture the value there.

01:00:14.080 --> 01:00:15.080
 I should.

01:00:15.080 --> 01:00:20.540
 Any other questions for the applicant at this time?

01:00:20.540 --> 01:00:25.360
 I guess you can't tell us what builders you're talking to at this point.

01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:26.360
 They wouldn't want me to.

01:00:26.360 --> 01:00:27.360
 Sure.

01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:28.360
 We're still.

01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:29.360
 Understood.

01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:30.360
 And the reason, it's not that I want to hide anything.

01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:33.120
 Typically how these things work is I've got to get the cost estimate completed, figure

01:00:33.120 --> 01:00:36.800
 out what the lot values are, have those conversations and see which works.

01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:40.360
 If I, if I throw a name of a builder out I'd be lying to you that we have something done.

01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:41.360
 I just don't know yet.

01:00:41.360 --> 01:00:42.360
 Okay.

01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:47.320
 So what I do know is the builders that I do business with are typically higher end builders.

01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:51.400
 That's what I'm trying to get completed for this community and you wouldn't be able to

01:00:51.400 --> 01:00:53.480
 get like a starter level home here.

01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:56.120
 It would need to be something a little bit nicer than that to kind of, to kind of make

01:00:56.120 --> 01:00:57.120
 it work.

01:00:57.120 --> 01:01:00.600
 And you're envisioning how many dwelling units?

01:01:00.600 --> 01:01:04.080
 52 I believe is the number that we have on the land plan.

01:01:04.080 --> 01:01:06.920
 It might be 51 or 52.

01:01:06.920 --> 01:01:09.640
 I'm not planning on changing the land plan.

01:01:09.640 --> 01:01:13.080
 I know we're just talking zoning today, but the land plan that we've done that the city's

01:01:13.080 --> 01:01:16.240
 looked at, that we've evaluated, we're not planning on changing from that.

01:01:16.240 --> 01:01:21.800
 We're probably going to go straight to construction plans right after this.

01:01:21.800 --> 01:01:28.840
 Did you ever think about, cause this is such a unique space in the city with, you know,

01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:36.560
 the ETJ, the city of Argyle meets the city of Denton, really a rural corner at this point.

01:01:36.560 --> 01:01:40.840
 Did you consider planning this out any better than it has already been done?

01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:45.440
 Can you explain what you mean by planning better?

01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:51.960
 Basically have it, have more of a plan development in mind to be able to put restrictions in

01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:52.960
 place and whatnot.

01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:58.200
 Oh, so you mean in terms of like CCNRs and deed restrictions and are you talking about

01:01:58.200 --> 01:01:59.200
 that?

01:01:59.200 --> 01:02:04.360
 Not that so much, but yeah, instead of a straight zoning case, which is kind of, we're not quite

01:02:04.360 --> 01:02:05.600
 sure where it's going to go.

01:02:05.600 --> 01:02:07.340
 We're not quite sure who the builder is going to be.

01:02:07.340 --> 01:02:10.760
 We're not quite sure what's going to be built on this.

01:02:10.760 --> 01:02:13.260
 I mean, it's just, it's just a zoning change.

01:02:13.260 --> 01:02:16.600
 So it's, it's nothing against you and your company.

01:02:16.600 --> 01:02:22.760
 But what I'm saying is there's nothing to, to secure what you're telling us tonight.

01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:24.320
 That's just not how a zoning change works.

01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:25.320
 Yeah.

01:02:25.320 --> 01:02:32.320
 Look, I understand in a plan development, you would have a lot more things ironed out.

01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:38.800
 You know, we feel that with the density that's going to be there, it's, it's not extremely

01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:39.800
 dense.

01:02:39.800 --> 01:02:43.680
 The items that you're talking about from a plan development standpoint would have, it's

01:02:43.680 --> 01:02:47.360
 pretty much what CCNRs would have as part of the HOA documents in terms of finish out

01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:50.680
 for the houses, what builders you would have.

01:02:50.680 --> 01:02:51.960
 We could go that route.

01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:56.760
 That route probably takes a lot longer to get through and get all that stuff ironed

01:02:56.760 --> 01:02:57.760
 out.

01:02:57.760 --> 01:03:02.120
 The owner wants to move forward with the development as quickly as he possibly can.

01:03:02.120 --> 01:03:08.200
 And the types of houses that are going to be going in to be competitive, they have to

01:03:08.200 --> 01:03:11.680
 be at a certain level to be able to sell in this market.

01:03:11.680 --> 01:03:15.680
 There's right across the 377, there's a bunch of houses going up in there and there has

01:03:15.680 --> 01:03:19.720
 to be some sort of differentiation from, from that development that's across the street.

01:03:19.720 --> 01:03:24.520
 And that's the kind of the idea here is, is going more of the luxury route.

01:03:24.520 --> 01:03:28.240
 You won't be competing with the people across the street and at the same time, it'll look

01:03:28.240 --> 01:03:32.000
 nicer for kind of the houses that are kind of surrounding.

01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:36.020
 So, but yeah, I mean, in terms of doing planned developments, you typically have different

01:03:36.020 --> 01:03:37.780
 sized lots and all that.

01:03:37.780 --> 01:03:41.920
 We really had to have the 50-ish lots in there to make this work.

01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:46.520
 So that's kind of the route that we selected here.

01:03:46.520 --> 01:03:51.840
 My other concern, I don't know if you heard our work session, was 11 students generated

01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:52.840
 from this.

01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:53.840
 Seems really low to me.

01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:54.840
 11?

01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:55.840
 I'm sorry?

01:03:55.840 --> 01:04:01.800
 11 students is what the school district said this neighborhood would generate.

01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:04.680
 Did you talk, you did, I assume you didn't talk to Argyle ISD at all?

01:04:04.680 --> 01:04:07.440
 No, I did not have a conversation with Argyle ISD.

01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:08.440
 Okay.

01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:09.440
 Okay.

01:04:09.440 --> 01:04:13.040
 That was, that was my question at work session that just, in our information, that's what

01:04:13.040 --> 01:04:14.400
 they said this would generate.

01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:17.320
 It seems really low to me.

01:04:17.320 --> 01:04:19.960
 Yeah, I didn't come up with that.

01:04:19.960 --> 01:04:20.960
 Right.

01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:21.960
 Yeah.

01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:22.960
 That's fine.

01:04:22.960 --> 01:04:23.960
 Okay.

01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:26.720
 I think that's all the questions I've got, but we will have you on the back burner as

01:04:26.720 --> 01:04:28.960
 we go through the public hearing if we need to call you back up.

01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:29.960
 Okay.

01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:30.960
 Okay.

01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:31.960
 Thank you.

01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:36.920
 I do have several cards in front of me, so we'll get to those right now.

01:04:36.920 --> 01:04:38.320
 Wishing to speak.

01:04:38.320 --> 01:04:40.800
 First one I have is Jacqueline Wendell.

01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:54.440
 If you'll make your way to the podium, give your name and address and your time will begin.

01:04:54.440 --> 01:04:55.440
 Good evening.

01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:56.440
 Hello there.

01:04:56.440 --> 01:04:57.440
 Public speaking is not my favorite.

01:04:57.440 --> 01:04:58.440
 I'm going to do my best.

01:04:58.440 --> 01:04:59.440
 That's okay.

01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:00.440
 My name is Jacqueline Wendell.

01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:07.920
 I live on Kiowa Trail, which is directly behind the property of interest.

01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:10.360
 Like y'all know, we went through this a couple years ago.

01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:14.720
 This is definitely an emotional thing for all of us who live on the street.

01:05:14.720 --> 01:05:20.000
 We moved out to Argyle to be away from the Frisco type neighborhoods that he mentioned

01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:22.380
 earlier.

01:05:22.380 --> 01:05:27.480
 I felt like the picture didn't truly display what the neighborhood itself is going to look

01:05:27.480 --> 01:05:32.320
 like, but my property is about 60 yards wide, and it's pretty narrow.

01:05:32.320 --> 01:05:35.940
 I'm going to have two and a half houses behind my property.

01:05:35.940 --> 01:05:37.640
 To me, that's insane.

01:05:37.640 --> 01:05:43.100
 I don't even know how these houses are going to fit on these properties, but we're in a

01:05:43.100 --> 01:05:48.960
 position right now where we don't know for sure that even this is going to happen, that

01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:53.040
 the plan that they have in place is actually going to be carried out, like you mentioned

01:05:53.040 --> 01:05:59.000
 with the R6, multifamily homes, the duplexes, triplexes, all of that, and that for one is

01:05:59.000 --> 01:06:01.320
 another thing that really concerns me.

01:06:01.320 --> 01:06:05.040
 If this does get approved, we don't want that.

01:06:05.040 --> 01:06:07.080
 We've got land animals behind us.

01:06:07.080 --> 01:06:08.080
 We've got goats.

01:06:08.080 --> 01:06:09.080
 We have a donkey.

01:06:09.080 --> 01:06:10.080
 We have chickens.

01:06:10.080 --> 01:06:12.240
 We use these animals to make money.

01:06:12.240 --> 01:06:17.160
 We're concerned about construction, which we all knew this, that this was going to happen.

01:06:17.160 --> 01:06:20.400
 This land is going to be developed, and that's fine.

01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:27.720
 If this does go through, one thing that we were requesting, or really demanding, is that

01:06:27.720 --> 01:06:31.560
 there is some type of barrier or wall that's put up behind our properties.

01:06:31.560 --> 01:06:36.400
 One for the construction, noise, the dust, again, it's going to affect our animals.

01:06:36.400 --> 01:06:37.400
 We all have children.

01:06:37.400 --> 01:06:43.960
 We've got pools, and so I think it's a courtesy for them to put something up to block us from

01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:48.560
 some of those things that will come with the construction side of it, and two, again, we

01:06:48.560 --> 01:06:53.480
 moved out here to have privacy and to have space, and so to have two and a half families

01:06:53.480 --> 01:06:58.640
 looking over our property and potentially interacting is not something that we were interested

01:06:58.640 --> 01:06:59.640
 in.

01:06:59.640 --> 01:07:11.480
 I guess in terms of assurances that, again, if this does get approved, it'd be nice to

01:07:11.480 --> 01:07:16.000
 have something from the developer saying, "Yes, we are going to stick by this plan,"

01:07:16.000 --> 01:07:22.960
 or "Is there another zoning change that could be requested that would limit what they could

01:07:22.960 --> 01:07:28.600
 do in terms of those duplexes and that sort of thing to make sure we're not in a situation

01:07:28.600 --> 01:07:31.680
 where that actually happens?"

01:07:31.680 --> 01:07:35.840
 I didn't mention this, but this is kind of concerning to me because when this did, again,

01:07:35.840 --> 01:07:39.800
 go happen a couple years ago, we had a huge turnout, and I know you all probably remember

01:07:39.800 --> 01:07:42.680
 we were here for like three hours.

01:07:42.680 --> 01:07:48.440
 We were sent two different letters from the developer saying that we were going to have

01:07:48.440 --> 01:07:52.040
 the P&Z meeting either on this date or this date.

01:07:52.040 --> 01:07:53.320
 The first letter never happened.

01:07:53.320 --> 01:07:57.200
 We got a second letter maybe in May or something that, again, said the meeting will happen

01:07:57.200 --> 01:07:58.480
 on this date or this date.

01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:02.960
 We will notify you as required by state law when the actual date would be.

01:08:02.960 --> 01:08:08.200
 None of us on the street received any notification, and so I'm concerned because I feel like there

01:08:08.200 --> 01:08:12.400
 would be a lot more people here had we actually received that notification.

01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:17.120
 I found out on Facebook, somebody in the Argal page had posted something saying, "Oh, by

01:08:17.120 --> 01:08:19.480
 the way, tomorrow is this meeting.

01:08:19.480 --> 01:08:24.160
 If you can go, go," but to find out last minute like that definitely is going to put a damper

01:08:24.160 --> 01:08:26.600
 on how many people actually can make it.

01:08:26.600 --> 01:08:31.360
 I don't feel like this is a fair representation of the community, and I don't know if you

01:08:31.360 --> 01:08:36.480
 all ended up making a decision on this today or some other time, but I don't know if it's

01:08:36.480 --> 01:08:41.760
 possible to postpone decision making and hopefully allow for more people to actually put their

01:08:41.760 --> 01:08:43.880
 say into what they think should happen.

01:08:43.880 --> 01:08:49.560
 I know I'm almost out of time.

01:08:49.560 --> 01:08:53.920
 One other thing, I don't know if the developer has any type of property value impact projection

01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:58.320
 study, if there's something like that that he could share with us regarding some of the

01:08:58.320 --> 01:09:01.760
 other things that he's done in the past and how this will affect our property value.

01:09:01.760 --> 01:09:06.240
 I'm guessing it will be lowering it, and then two, knowing what the houses are going to

01:09:06.240 --> 01:09:08.800
 look like I think would also make a big difference.

01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:12.920
 Thank you, Ms. Wendell, for speaking.

01:09:12.920 --> 01:09:13.920
 Appreciate it.

01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:15.880
 Angie, can I invite you up here?

01:09:15.880 --> 01:09:22.720
 I just want to have you address her concern with notifications.

01:09:22.720 --> 01:09:26.120
 State law requires us, obviously, to send out notification.

01:09:26.120 --> 01:09:31.000
 I'm assuming the reason they did not receive notification is because they are outside the

01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:32.000
 city limits.

01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:33.000
 Is that correct?

01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:34.000
 That's correct.

01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:39.040
 We sent notifications in accordance with state law to property owners in the city limits

01:09:39.040 --> 01:09:47.360
 within 200 feet, and then we sent courtesy postcards to residents within 500 feet.

01:09:47.360 --> 01:09:52.000
 If they're not in the city limits, they would be missed by that notification.

01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:53.000
 That equaled how many?

01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:54.000
 I forgot that number.

01:09:54.000 --> 01:09:56.960
 Do you remember how many postcards you actually sent out?

01:09:56.960 --> 01:09:57.960
 I'm sorry.

01:09:57.960 --> 01:09:58.960
 Did you say the email count?

01:09:58.960 --> 01:09:59.960
 No.

01:09:59.960 --> 01:10:00.960
 How many postcards you actually sent out?

01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:07.520
 It was about 11, because keep in mind, some of these in Sagebrook are not developed yet,

01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:10.040
 so there's nobody there to send them to.

01:10:10.040 --> 01:10:11.040
 Yeah.

01:10:11.040 --> 01:10:12.040
 Okay.

01:10:12.040 --> 01:10:13.040
 Appreciate that.

01:10:13.040 --> 01:10:14.040
 Thanks.

01:10:14.040 --> 01:10:15.040
 Thank you.

01:10:15.040 --> 01:10:18.880
 Next card I have is Garth Blackburn.

01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:23.880
 If you'll state your name and address, your time will begin.

01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:24.880
 Good evening.

01:10:24.880 --> 01:10:25.880
 Good evening.

01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:26.880
 My name is Garth Blackburn.

01:10:26.880 --> 01:10:32.600
 We're at 900 Brush Creek, so we are the first adjoining property.

01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:37.160
 To support that cause, I understand that it's state law in terms of notification, but when

01:10:37.160 --> 01:10:40.040
 this happened previously, we were notified.

01:10:40.040 --> 01:10:41.760
 We're the most impacted property.

01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:45.120
 We have the longest stretch that's shared.

01:10:45.120 --> 01:10:50.560
 Also previously, and I know it's not state law anymore, but the hearing or city council

01:10:50.560 --> 01:10:54.640
 meeting was noted with a date and time on the sign, which was not noted this time.

01:10:54.640 --> 01:10:59.080
 I know it's not required, but you would think if y'all want community support, that you

01:10:59.080 --> 01:11:02.600
 would actually try and get as much of the community and the surrounding area to come,

01:11:02.600 --> 01:11:06.120
 so that would be a first component.

01:11:06.120 --> 01:11:11.320
 Next would be the development side, and I'm going to give a backhanded compliment to Omar.

01:11:11.320 --> 01:11:13.560
 His developments I'm very familiar with, and they're incredible.

01:11:13.560 --> 01:11:15.240
 He does a great job.

01:11:15.240 --> 01:11:17.280
 They're nothing like this.

01:11:17.280 --> 01:11:23.520
 What he cited from behind Marty B's, beautiful, multi-million dollar homes.

01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:25.640
 That's not what this is going to be.

01:11:25.640 --> 01:11:32.600
 We're going from these one, two plus acre lots to these incredibly small houses.

01:11:32.600 --> 01:11:34.440
 It's going to change everything.

01:11:34.440 --> 01:11:38.800
 Angie had mentioned as you go further east, and Angie's been super helpful in all of our

01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:39.800
 meetings.

01:11:39.800 --> 01:11:40.800
 I just want to point that out.

01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:44.680
 As you go further east and it's stuff that's more similar to this, it's not.

01:11:44.680 --> 01:11:52.760
 Maybe once you cross 1830 and go into near the Teasley area, sure, that's not this corridor.

01:11:52.760 --> 01:11:53.760
 There's not another development.

01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:57.400
 If you had a development that would be east on Brush Creek, it'd be Hills of Argyle.

01:11:57.400 --> 01:12:02.400
 If you look at the size of the lots, price of the houses, those are completely different.

01:12:02.400 --> 01:12:08.200
 Also do want to point out, again, an Omar's favor on how well he's done on developments

01:12:08.200 --> 01:12:11.880
 has been incredible, but he doesn't have ownership in this.

01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:17.040
 At the end of the day, your concern is our concern, which is once they get it rezoned,

01:12:17.040 --> 01:12:20.000
 they can just say, "Peace out," and it can be done.

01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:23.920
 Who knows who's going to take it over and put in townhomes through the whole thing?

01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:26.520
 There's no requirement for a minimum.

01:12:26.520 --> 01:12:28.000
 There's nothing.

01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:32.160
 It's almost like this free for all just to get it rezoned.

01:12:32.160 --> 01:12:37.240
 In fact, until tonight, I didn't know that they had an option to spend more time, which

01:12:37.240 --> 01:12:41.080
 they've had years to develop whatever they wanted to.

01:12:41.080 --> 01:12:46.320
 If there was an option to develop some master plan that I wasn't aware of until tonight,

01:12:46.320 --> 01:12:51.320
 why didn't that start two and a half, three years ago when this was initially declined

01:12:51.320 --> 01:12:54.120
 and now suddenly the owner wants to have something fast?

01:12:54.120 --> 01:13:01.160
 Omar referred to that twice and not in offense to him at all, but in offense to the owner.

01:13:01.160 --> 01:13:06.160
 Why does this need to happen so fast without us having a chance to voice our opinions as

01:13:06.160 --> 01:13:11.820
 a community, but also for you all to assess, how is this going to impact Denton?

01:13:11.820 --> 01:13:15.600
 How is it going to impact the surrounding area of Argyle where unincorporated?

01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:18.600
 It's going to affect all of us.

01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:22.940
 My biggest concerns are that there's no true ownership in this property.

01:13:22.940 --> 01:13:26.640
 It's just let's get it rezoned and we'll deal with it from there.

01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:31.680
 If you look at the lots, I mean, if you're comparing somebody's driving down the street

01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:36.600
 and they turn left off 377 as they're going northbound on Bonnie Bray and the houses are

01:13:36.600 --> 01:13:42.000
 being listed at 330,000, the likelihood that somebody's going to turn right just because

01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:46.440
 they get a better school, especially if there's only 11 students out of 52 houses that are

01:13:46.440 --> 01:13:49.440
 going to be going to school in Argyle, they're not going to pay that difference.

01:13:49.440 --> 01:13:54.640
 They're not going to spend a million dollars for the same lot size as they would be paying

01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:58.520
 $332,000 on the left side or the west side.

01:13:58.520 --> 01:14:03.880
 So I think those are some core components that at the very least was what Jacqueline

01:14:03.880 --> 01:14:04.880
 had mentioned.

01:14:04.880 --> 01:14:07.000
 I mean, there needs to be time.

01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:08.680
 I think that we need a further assessment.

01:14:08.680 --> 01:14:13.560
 I didn't realize this is going to be July 18th, I think is what was said for going to

01:14:13.560 --> 01:14:17.980
 city council because once that happens, if there's not enough opposition, it's going

01:14:17.980 --> 01:14:18.980
 to go through.

01:14:18.980 --> 01:14:22.280
 And at that point, sales are up and it's gone.

01:14:22.280 --> 01:14:28.880
 And I really think that this is the opportunity to ask for more time from the owner who has

01:14:28.880 --> 01:14:34.440
 decided not to show up again and have Omar's representative, great guy, but I do think

01:14:34.440 --> 01:14:37.440
 that there needs to be some time to reassess.

01:14:37.440 --> 01:14:39.600
 Thank you.

01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:44.900
 Thank you very much.

01:14:44.900 --> 01:14:48.560
 Next card I have is Troy Fulkerson.

01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:50.160
 Good evening.

01:14:50.160 --> 01:14:53.800
 Thank you for allowing me to speak.

01:14:53.800 --> 01:14:57.720
 We live on the hills of Argyle, we've been there for 20 years.

01:14:57.720 --> 01:15:04.080
 The reason we moved out there was because when there were lots, big community, traffic

01:15:04.080 --> 01:15:05.640
 was not bad at that time.

01:15:05.640 --> 01:15:10.160
 But our goal is that corner has been misfired a several times.

01:15:10.160 --> 01:15:16.880
 I was here two years ago when there were probably 100 people here, standing room only.

01:15:16.880 --> 01:15:22.120
 I agree with the last speaker that we don't have time to really adjust or see what the

01:15:22.120 --> 01:15:24.280
 final place will be.

01:15:24.280 --> 01:15:30.600
 The restrictions are houses or they could be multi housing, they could be condominiums.

01:15:30.600 --> 01:15:31.600
 We don't know.

01:15:31.600 --> 01:15:37.000
 But once you guys give the commitment that it's carte blanche, what do we know?

01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:38.000
 That's the frightening thing though.

01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:40.720
 I understand the owner wants to sell his property.

01:15:40.720 --> 01:15:45.080
 Everybody needs to have the right to sell their land, but we do have a right to say

01:15:45.080 --> 01:15:48.080
 what goes on with land and what affects us.

01:15:48.080 --> 01:15:51.800
 If you look at the hills of Argyle, the average house in that neighborhood now is $900,000.

01:15:51.800 --> 01:15:56.080
 If you go behind us to Country Club Acres, it's about the same thing.

01:15:56.080 --> 01:16:01.260
 I agree, on the other side of the road they're building $400,000 houses, $350,000, but will

01:16:01.260 --> 01:16:05.880
 it be a supermarket, will it be a high rise, will it be multifamily?

01:16:05.880 --> 01:16:12.080
 We want something that's good for our community, that's stable, that keeps our property values

01:16:12.080 --> 01:16:15.560
 up, and to be good neighbors.

01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:22.760
 20 years of living there, we live in the hills of Argyle, it's a community, and we come together

01:16:22.760 --> 01:16:27.960
 to bond and we don't want a multifamily unit there.

01:16:27.960 --> 01:16:32.960
 Some houses there, that'd probably be great, and limit it to 52 lots, and that's tight.

01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:35.380
 I can't even envision what it would look like.

01:16:35.380 --> 01:16:41.040
 It would be better if we had an architectural design, and look, this is what we're planning.

01:16:41.040 --> 01:16:44.160
 This is it, this is how it goes, this is how it's laid out, this is what the houses will

01:16:44.160 --> 01:16:46.880
 look for, this is what the houses will cost.

01:16:46.880 --> 01:16:52.600
 So we have an ideal who's going to be our neighbor in the next 40, 50, 60 years.

01:16:52.600 --> 01:16:59.000
 In a nutshell, we love our neighborhood, change is happening, and it did in Texas.

01:16:59.000 --> 01:17:02.120
 Everywhere you go, there's apartments and building and building and building.

01:17:02.120 --> 01:17:08.680
 In two, I saw recently, 220 acres, it's going to be built out, so if we can contain our

01:17:08.680 --> 01:17:13.560
 little piece of land and kind of have some control of what it's going to look like now,

01:17:13.560 --> 01:17:18.200
 and what it will look like in 30 years, that's what we want, because we've all lived out

01:17:18.200 --> 01:17:20.080
 there, chose that land.

01:17:20.080 --> 01:17:24.800
 Our property values are nice, and we love the community, so help us control what goes

01:17:24.800 --> 01:17:25.800
 on that land.

01:17:25.800 --> 01:17:28.480
 That's all I got to say.

01:17:28.480 --> 01:17:32.600
 Thank you very much.

01:17:32.600 --> 01:17:36.080
 I've got some other cards here that's not wishing to speak.

01:17:36.080 --> 01:17:43.040
 I'll go ahead and call out, and if you would like to, you absolutely are welcome to.

01:17:43.040 --> 01:17:52.000
 I have Joel Martin in opposition, not wishing to speak, I assume.

01:17:52.000 --> 01:17:53.000
 Okay.

01:17:53.000 --> 01:17:58.360
 I've got another one here, Erlayne Martin in opposition.

01:17:58.360 --> 01:18:03.680
 Okay.

01:18:03.680 --> 01:18:07.000
 Carol Hassel, would you like to come down and speak?

01:18:07.000 --> 01:18:16.480
 Please do.

01:18:16.480 --> 01:18:17.480
 Hi there.

01:18:17.480 --> 01:18:18.480
 Just state your name and address.

01:18:18.480 --> 01:18:19.480
 Your time will begin.

01:18:19.480 --> 01:18:22.720
 Carol Haisley, 4701 Upper Glenwick.

01:18:22.720 --> 01:18:24.440
 It's in the hills of Argyle.

01:18:24.440 --> 01:18:34.960
 I wasn't going to talk because I don't have a lot to say, but R6 next to R1 is not planning.

01:18:34.960 --> 01:18:36.720
 That's chaos.

01:18:36.720 --> 01:18:42.520
 If you taper down, you taper down one or two zones, you don't jump from R1 to R6.

01:18:42.520 --> 01:18:44.040
 That's all I have to say.

01:18:44.040 --> 01:18:48.160
 Thank you very much.

01:18:48.160 --> 01:19:04.300
 Next card I have is Donna Parfetti in opposition, okay, and Lucinda Boas, thank you, in opposition.

01:19:04.300 --> 01:19:05.300
 Did you want to speak?

01:19:05.300 --> 01:19:06.300
 I did.

01:19:06.300 --> 01:19:07.300
 Okay.

01:19:07.300 --> 01:19:08.300
 Good evening.

01:19:08.300 --> 01:19:09.300
 Good evening.

01:19:09.300 --> 01:19:19.560
 If you'll give us your name and address, your time will begin, and if you'll speak into

01:19:19.560 --> 01:19:21.560
 the microphone, that would be great.

01:19:21.560 --> 01:19:29.320
 Lucinda Boas, and I live at 1050 Brush Creek Road, which is behind the hills of Argyle.

01:19:29.320 --> 01:19:37.640
 With the 11 children, I back up to four homes, and in those four homes, I have six children

01:19:37.640 --> 01:19:45.000
 behind me, so I can't imagine that you would only have 11 children out of 50 homes, especially

01:19:45.000 --> 01:19:52.460
 if these became duplexes, so now it's not just 50, it's 100.

01:19:52.460 --> 01:19:59.280
 The infrastructure is not there to handle an additional 50 homes.

01:19:59.280 --> 01:20:04.560
 We're already going to have traffic from across the railroad tracks.

01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:09.400
 There's multiple housing additions going in down Bonnie Bray.

01:20:09.400 --> 01:20:12.080
 The traffic, the infrastructure's not there.

01:20:12.080 --> 01:20:20.600
 We have 18 wheelers right now just obliterating Brush Creek.

01:20:20.600 --> 01:20:26.800
 They put in the sewer line and half the road caved in, so there just needs to be more planning,

01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:38.000
 and I agree with my neighbors that just giving them a blank check is not good.

01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:39.880
 Thank you very much.

01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:43.560
 Next card I have is Terry Boas in opposition.

01:20:43.560 --> 01:20:45.760
 Did you want to speak, Mr. Boas?

01:20:45.760 --> 01:20:47.760
 No, I'm good.

01:20:47.760 --> 01:20:48.760
 Okay.

01:20:48.760 --> 01:21:05.220
 I'll put you at the bottom because I've got some others before you, okay?

01:21:05.220 --> 01:21:07.600
 Thank you.

01:21:07.600 --> 01:21:12.280
 On here, this says Poland in opposition.

01:21:12.280 --> 01:21:14.760
 Did you wish to speak this evening?

01:21:14.760 --> 01:21:19.320
 Yes.

01:21:19.320 --> 01:21:27.360
 Judy Fulkerson is in opposition.

01:21:27.360 --> 01:21:37.560
 Amy Blackburn, did you want to come up and speak, please?

01:21:37.560 --> 01:21:38.560
 Good evening.

01:21:38.560 --> 01:21:39.560
 You probably know the drill by now.

01:21:39.560 --> 01:21:40.560
 Yes.

01:21:40.560 --> 01:21:41.560
 Okay.

01:21:41.560 --> 01:21:42.560
 Hi.

01:21:42.560 --> 01:21:43.560
 I'm Amy Blackburn.

01:21:43.560 --> 01:21:50.200
 My husband spoke earlier, and we live just in the very first property that's adjoining

01:21:50.200 --> 01:21:53.920
 the property that's vacant that we're talking about.

01:21:53.920 --> 01:21:57.280
 I just have one thing to point out.

01:21:57.280 --> 01:22:03.600
 When we first got a letter in the mail, it was from a company called Red Rock Communities,

01:22:03.600 --> 01:22:08.720
 and then we got a second letter, and it was from a different name.

01:22:08.720 --> 01:22:14.560
 I think it was called Maggie and Sons or something like that, LLC.

01:22:14.560 --> 01:22:21.120
 And then there was a third letter with a different company representing this particular seller.

01:22:21.120 --> 01:22:27.480
 And so for me personally, I can hear what they're presenting and what the ideas are.

01:22:27.480 --> 01:22:32.560
 My main concern is that it's a trust thing for me.

01:22:32.560 --> 01:22:38.320
 I feel like the name has changed three times already, and I feel like, well, what am I

01:22:38.320 --> 01:22:42.360
 supposed to believe when the names have been sent out three different times with three

01:22:42.360 --> 01:22:45.280
 different representations?

01:22:45.280 --> 01:22:49.920
 The developer doesn't even own the property, but he's representing the owner who's not

01:22:49.920 --> 01:22:50.920
 here.

01:22:50.920 --> 01:22:53.480
 So for me personally, it's a trust thing.

01:22:53.480 --> 01:22:58.940
 I understand what I'm being presented, but I don't understand what we're going to get.

01:22:58.940 --> 01:23:03.760
 And so for me personally, it's just kind of hard to buy into.

01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:06.200
 So therefore, I oppose.

01:23:06.200 --> 01:23:09.220
 Thank you.

01:23:09.220 --> 01:23:28.020
 David Wendell in opposition, Amanda Shriver in opposition, Eric Nordstrom in opposition,

01:23:28.020 --> 01:23:29.320
 Claire Nordstrom in opposition.

01:23:29.320 --> 01:23:31.760
 Do you want to come up and speak, Claire?

01:23:31.760 --> 01:23:32.760
 Sure.

01:23:32.760 --> 01:23:37.080
 Just quickly, and I don't know how many others this affects, but I never got a postcard or

01:23:37.080 --> 01:23:42.680
 notice about this meeting, and my property backs up directly to this project.

01:23:42.680 --> 01:23:46.680
 So it might affect more people than just me, but didn't know about it, so I'm sure a lot

01:23:46.680 --> 01:23:48.520
 more people would be here if they knew.

01:23:48.520 --> 01:23:49.520
 Okay.

01:23:49.520 --> 01:23:53.000
 I'm assuming you're in the ETJ?

01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:54.400
 I'm within the 200-meter buffer.

01:23:54.400 --> 01:23:57.000
 I'm within the ETJ off of the Kiowa Trail.

01:23:57.000 --> 01:23:58.000
 Okay.

01:23:58.000 --> 01:23:59.000
 Yeah.

01:23:59.000 --> 01:24:03.040
 So they're one they're allowed to back right up to mine.

01:24:03.040 --> 01:24:04.040
 Thank you.

01:24:04.040 --> 01:24:05.040
 Thank you very much.

01:24:05.040 --> 01:24:13.080
 Carrie Johnson in opposition.

01:24:13.080 --> 01:24:20.800
 David Haseley in opposition.

01:24:20.800 --> 01:24:24.640
 Kevin Kosman in opposition.

01:24:24.640 --> 01:24:30.520
 Do you want to come down and speak?

01:24:30.520 --> 01:24:31.520
 Great.

01:24:31.520 --> 01:24:32.520
 Yeah.

01:24:32.520 --> 01:24:33.520
 I think I can't remember your name.

01:24:33.520 --> 01:24:35.920
 You said it very well.

01:24:35.920 --> 01:24:41.480
 We weren't given enough time to plan everybody to come up here, and this just doesn't fit

01:24:41.480 --> 01:24:42.480
 the area.

01:24:42.480 --> 01:24:49.120
 Like you said, we have such a unique area, and it's kind of a mixture of Denton and Argyle,

01:24:49.120 --> 01:24:54.680
 and we just need to rethink it and give it more time to maybe we can keep it unique and

01:24:54.680 --> 01:25:01.800
 beautiful, and putting 50-foot homes or whatever lots is not beautiful.

01:25:01.800 --> 01:25:06.040
 We need just some more time to keep it just beautiful.

01:25:06.040 --> 01:25:11.520
 And a lot of us have animals, and I'm worried that if my donkeys are hollering in the morning

01:25:11.520 --> 01:25:18.240
 that whenever these people move in, and they're hearing my donkey, everybody in my neighborhood

01:25:18.240 --> 01:25:19.240
 loves them.

01:25:19.240 --> 01:25:23.100
 I don't know about anybody, and it just seems like it's going to cause a lot of problems.

01:25:23.100 --> 01:25:25.120
 And I'm not the only one with animals.

01:25:25.120 --> 01:25:30.800
 We have a whole community of animals, and we all love them, so that's really all I'd

01:25:30.800 --> 01:25:31.800
 say.

01:25:31.800 --> 01:25:32.800
 Thank you for speaking.

01:25:32.800 --> 01:25:35.280
 I've got another card here.

01:25:35.280 --> 01:25:40.560
 Alexander Allen in opposition.

01:25:40.560 --> 01:25:42.960
 That is all the cards I have in front of me.

01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:46.840
 If there's anyone wishing to speak who has not filled out a card, you're certainly welcome

01:25:46.840 --> 01:25:49.360
 to do so.

01:25:49.360 --> 01:25:51.760
 Okay.

01:25:51.760 --> 01:25:57.840
 Seeing none, I will go ahead and close the public hearing and open the floor for discussion.

01:25:57.840 --> 01:25:58.840
 Commissioner Smith.

01:25:58.840 --> 01:25:59.840
 Thank you, Chair.

01:25:59.840 --> 01:26:02.520
 Hey, Tina, I had a question for you.

01:26:02.520 --> 01:26:06.880
 To be honest, and this is for everyone in the room to understand, those of you guys

01:26:06.880 --> 01:26:12.160
 that are in the ETJ that did not receive notifications, when this project came in front of this commission

01:26:12.160 --> 01:26:17.880
 back in 2019, this property, when it was proposed to be multifamily, that was something that

01:26:17.880 --> 01:26:20.720
 was heard from residents at that time, that didn't receive notification of that at that

01:26:20.720 --> 01:26:21.720
 time.

01:26:21.720 --> 01:26:28.320
 I, myself, Chair Ellis, and I think Commissioner Cole were still on the commission at that

01:26:28.320 --> 01:26:34.640
 time, and all of us at that time, the city, we need to make a change to our notification

01:26:34.640 --> 01:26:38.640
 to make sure those that are in the ETJ receive notification.

01:26:38.640 --> 01:26:42.180
 We have been making changes and pushing to have that be changed.

01:26:42.180 --> 01:26:43.440
 That process is in the works.

01:26:43.440 --> 01:26:47.120
 There was a work session conversation we had about notifications, and so those changes

01:26:47.120 --> 01:26:50.680
 are coming, and we're sorry that that has not happened as of yet, but it's something

01:26:50.680 --> 01:26:51.680
 that has been addressed.

01:26:51.680 --> 01:26:55.640
 So, Tina, can you give us an update on where we are with notifications in ETJ?

01:26:55.640 --> 01:26:56.640
 Yes.

01:26:56.640 --> 01:27:03.000
 So, I seem to recall where we left things was having Chair Ellis potentially talk with

01:27:03.000 --> 01:27:04.000
 council.

01:27:04.000 --> 01:27:07.400
 I'm trying to think back to that conversation, and if you have a different recollection,

01:27:07.400 --> 01:27:08.400
 let me know.

01:27:08.400 --> 01:27:12.200
 But you're right, we did have a fair amount of conversation about notification within

01:27:12.200 --> 01:27:18.960
 the ETJ, and so there was consensus amongst the commission to explore that further and

01:27:18.960 --> 01:27:21.340
 getting that message delivered to council.

01:27:21.340 --> 01:27:25.380
 So, ideally, that message would get delivered to council.

01:27:25.380 --> 01:27:30.280
 Council would do a two-minute pitch to direct staff to be able to, well, actually would

01:27:30.280 --> 01:27:34.880
 do a two-minute pitch to be able to see if there's interest amongst the at least four

01:27:34.880 --> 01:27:39.160
 members of council to have us explore waiving or changing, I should say.

01:27:39.160 --> 01:27:42.920
 We can't waive, but changing our notification requirements, and that hasn't occurred yet.

01:27:42.920 --> 01:27:43.920
 Right.

01:27:43.920 --> 01:27:44.920
 Okay.

01:27:44.920 --> 01:27:45.920
 Thank you.

01:27:45.920 --> 01:27:46.920
 Changing of council.

01:27:46.920 --> 01:27:51.000
 I think the other thing we're waiting on, too, is still some more legal information

01:27:51.000 --> 01:27:54.120
 on that as well.

01:27:54.120 --> 01:27:56.840
 Okay.

01:27:56.840 --> 01:27:58.240
 Any other questions?

01:27:58.240 --> 01:28:05.320
 I know I've got one for Mr. Owise, and I apologize if I said your last name wrong.

01:28:05.320 --> 01:28:06.320
 Okay.

01:28:06.320 --> 01:28:07.320
 It's Owise.

01:28:07.320 --> 01:28:08.320
 Owise.

01:28:08.320 --> 01:28:09.320
 Yeah, yeah.

01:28:09.320 --> 01:28:10.320
 I apologize.

01:28:10.320 --> 01:28:15.840
 Can you speak at all to the comment about the differing names on notifications?

01:28:15.840 --> 01:28:16.840
 Sure.

01:28:16.840 --> 01:28:17.840
 Do you know anything about that?

01:28:17.840 --> 01:28:18.840
 Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

01:28:18.840 --> 01:28:22.920
 So, you know, we were asked to do some neighborhood meetings.

01:28:22.920 --> 01:28:27.880
 This was the first neighborhood meeting that we had was probably three months ago, so we

01:28:27.880 --> 01:28:29.160
 sent out the first letter.

01:28:29.160 --> 01:28:31.920
 It was under our Red Rock Consulting Group.

01:28:31.920 --> 01:28:34.520
 That's the entity that ... So we have several entities.

01:28:34.520 --> 01:28:35.520
 We have a development entity.

01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:37.640
 We have a consulting entity.

01:28:37.640 --> 01:28:40.280
 We've got a commercial entity, so they're all just different entities.

01:28:40.280 --> 01:28:43.880
 So we sent out the notice under Red Rock Consulting Group.

01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:45.100
 That's still us.

01:28:45.100 --> 01:28:49.920
 And then on the second notification, we ended up putting the owner's entity, because the

01:28:49.920 --> 01:28:54.480
 owners asked us to put their entity on there, because they're the owners and we're the consultants.

01:28:54.480 --> 01:28:55.720
 So there was some issues there.

01:28:55.720 --> 01:29:01.000
 But by the time we held the third meeting, we specifically reached out to the Hills of

01:29:01.000 --> 01:29:02.000
 Argyle HOA.

01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:05.480
 We were not trying to hide this or speed this through.

01:29:05.480 --> 01:29:09.080
 I reached out to the Hills of Argyle management company, the HOA management company.

01:29:09.080 --> 01:29:14.600
 I sent them the notices and I asked them to distribute that with the rest of their presidents.

01:29:14.600 --> 01:29:17.760
 That's why the first two meetings, not many people showed up.

01:29:17.760 --> 01:29:21.120
 The third meeting, I think we had seven or eight folks, a few of them are sitting here

01:29:21.120 --> 01:29:22.120
 today.

01:29:22.120 --> 01:29:23.960
 We explained that in the neighborhood meeting.

01:29:23.960 --> 01:29:24.960
 We tried to answer that.

01:29:24.960 --> 01:29:26.600
 We told them that we were hired, right?

01:29:26.600 --> 01:29:27.600
 We don't own the property.

01:29:27.600 --> 01:29:28.600
 We're not hiding that.

01:29:28.600 --> 01:29:30.200
 We're doing it for the owner.

01:29:30.200 --> 01:29:33.760
 But we do that very regularly across the DFW area.

01:29:33.760 --> 01:29:35.700
 It's called fee development.

01:29:35.700 --> 01:29:39.040
 It's a consulting service that people have, they own property and they don't know how

01:29:39.040 --> 01:29:42.360
 to develop the land and they need the services for somebody to do that.

01:29:42.360 --> 01:29:43.580
 We come and do that.

01:29:43.580 --> 01:29:45.980
 So that's exactly what we're doing over here.

01:29:45.980 --> 01:29:52.720
 We were hired by the owner to come and provide these services for this property.

01:29:52.720 --> 01:29:56.160
 I'll stop because I've got some other comments if that's okay, unless you have any other

01:29:56.160 --> 01:29:57.160
 kind of questions, please.

01:29:57.160 --> 01:29:59.600
 Yeah, since you spoke already, yeah.

01:29:59.600 --> 01:30:07.540
 You're kind of down to questions from us at this point, which I think I don't have any

01:30:07.540 --> 01:30:10.120
 other questions for you at this moment.

01:30:10.120 --> 01:30:13.960
 Any other commissioners?

01:30:13.960 --> 01:30:14.960
 Commissioner Cole.

01:30:14.960 --> 01:30:18.660
 Thank you, Chair.

01:30:18.660 --> 01:30:23.040
 I don't have a question, but I'm just commenting.

01:30:23.040 --> 01:30:31.200
 I think 52, or over 50 lots is just, I don't know how you're going to fit that in there.

01:30:31.200 --> 01:30:37.560
 It seems way too dense for what's around it.

01:30:37.560 --> 01:30:45.160
 I mean, what's to the east of it, you would find in Hartley Field, Ranch of States, and

01:30:45.160 --> 01:30:49.240
 you know, would we go and put R6 right there?

01:30:49.240 --> 01:30:56.900
 I mean, it just seems to me that this plan is not ready for prime time.

01:30:56.900 --> 01:31:01.400
 Well, it's not a plan, it's a zoning request.

01:31:01.400 --> 01:31:08.800
 Again, they can put what, it's a zoning change, so that means they can do whatever they want

01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:13.160
 to do under that land use in the development code.

01:31:13.160 --> 01:31:19.200
 So they can say, "We're going to put a million-dollar homes here," but in the end, they don't have

01:31:19.200 --> 01:31:20.600
 to do it at all.

01:31:20.600 --> 01:31:25.680
 It don't have to, don't even have to put anything close to that.

01:31:25.680 --> 01:31:35.080
 So this is a very sensitive area, and it has that rural-ish feeling, and yeah, I just don't

01:31:35.080 --> 01:31:40.320
 see how, I just don't see over 50 lots happening.

01:31:40.320 --> 01:31:49.480
 I mean, it's just me, you know, but I'm an O on this, so.

01:31:49.480 --> 01:31:56.720
 And Mr. Oase, you're certainly welcome to address, yeah, can 50 lots fit on this?

01:31:56.720 --> 01:32:03.200
 Yeah, Angie had the land plan up, actually, for all of you all to see, so it was up there.

01:32:03.200 --> 01:32:04.280
 You can fit 50 lots.

01:32:04.280 --> 01:32:09.560
 You might not like that density, but you can fit 50 lots on there.

01:32:09.560 --> 01:32:13.600
 It's consistent with what's across the street, across 377 in that neighborhood that's right

01:32:13.600 --> 01:32:14.600
 over there.

01:32:14.600 --> 01:32:17.000
 It's the exact same thing.

01:32:17.000 --> 01:32:23.640
 It's just like Angie mentioned, it's consistent with land use, future land use on this property.

01:32:23.640 --> 01:32:28.320
 We felt like because we, because everybody didn't like the multifamily case that came

01:32:28.320 --> 01:32:32.560
 here a couple years ago, that we were coming and we're doing something that's way more

01:32:32.560 --> 01:32:35.840
 reasonable than that.

01:32:35.840 --> 01:32:40.640
 So that's really all I have to say to Mr. Cole's comments there.

01:32:40.640 --> 01:32:41.640
 I'll wait for some other questions.

01:32:41.640 --> 01:32:46.120
 I do have some things I'd like, some points that were brought up by the residents that

01:32:46.120 --> 01:32:47.120
 I'd like to address.

01:32:47.120 --> 01:32:48.120
 Okay.

01:32:48.120 --> 01:32:50.120
 As chair, I will allow you to do that.

01:32:50.120 --> 01:32:51.120
 I'll give you two minutes.

01:32:51.120 --> 01:32:52.120
 Sure.

01:32:52.120 --> 01:32:53.120
 Can you do that?

01:32:53.120 --> 01:32:54.120
 Yeah.

01:32:54.120 --> 01:32:55.120
 Okay.

01:32:55.120 --> 01:32:56.120
 Let's do that and then we'll continue our discussion.

01:32:56.120 --> 01:32:57.120
 Okay.

01:32:57.120 --> 01:32:58.120
 Sounds good.

01:32:58.120 --> 01:33:00.200
 You know, one of the points was about having kind of a wall on the east side.

01:33:00.200 --> 01:33:02.120
 We plan on keeping privacy there.

01:33:02.120 --> 01:33:06.840
 There's a whole landscape package that we're planning on putting trees and a fence line.

01:33:06.840 --> 01:33:13.160
 We want to have privacy between our property and the property to the east.

01:33:13.160 --> 01:33:15.160
 Town homes, duplexes are coming up.

01:33:15.160 --> 01:33:18.680
 We're not planning, if I can sign something here today saying we're doing single family

01:33:18.680 --> 01:33:20.520
 houses, I would sign it.

01:33:20.520 --> 01:33:21.640
 That's what we're planning on doing.

01:33:21.640 --> 01:33:23.120
 We're not planning on doing duplexes.

01:33:23.120 --> 01:33:27.160
 We're not planning on doing townhomes, detached or attached townhomes.

01:33:27.160 --> 01:33:31.800
 These will be individual single family lots with single family housing on there.

01:33:31.800 --> 01:33:36.840
 And you cannot believe me or whatever, we can figure something out to sign something

01:33:36.840 --> 01:33:38.900
 to say that's what we're planning on doing.

01:33:38.900 --> 01:33:39.900
 That's what we're planning on doing.

01:33:39.900 --> 01:33:43.840
 I'm not here to say anything other than that.

01:33:43.840 --> 01:33:47.440
 I never, the whole 11 children comment, I'm not the one that came up with that number.

01:33:47.440 --> 01:33:50.360
 I know somebody said that there's no way, I never, this is, today was the first time

01:33:50.360 --> 01:33:53.120
 I heard of 11 children going to the Argyle School District.

01:33:53.120 --> 01:33:54.120
 I didn't.

01:33:54.120 --> 01:33:55.120
 Yeah.

01:33:55.120 --> 01:33:56.120
 It was the school district, I believe.

01:33:56.120 --> 01:33:57.120
 It was the school district.

01:33:57.120 --> 01:33:58.120
 Yeah.

01:33:58.120 --> 01:33:59.120
 I just want that on the record.

01:33:59.120 --> 01:34:00.120
 I didn't come up with that number.

01:34:00.120 --> 01:34:03.120
 Traffic and all those issues, you know, we had a TIA done.

01:34:03.120 --> 01:34:05.880
 It was approved by the city.

01:34:05.880 --> 01:34:09.760
 There's going to be some upgrades to the streets to accommodate for the change in traffic,

01:34:09.760 --> 01:34:14.840
 so we went ahead and we followed the rules on that.

01:34:14.840 --> 01:34:18.800
 In terms of the reach out, I already mentioned that we did purposely reach out to the HOA.

01:34:18.800 --> 01:34:20.980
 We wanted the neighborhood to be involved in this.

01:34:20.980 --> 01:34:23.320
 We met with them, we talked to them.

01:34:23.320 --> 01:34:27.600
 I held three neighborhood meetings, not just one or two, so I really honestly did the best

01:34:27.600 --> 01:34:28.600
 I could.

01:34:28.600 --> 01:34:31.120
 If I did anything that was not acceptable, then I'm sorry.

01:34:31.120 --> 01:34:39.120
 I tried to reach out as many times as I could, working with Angie and the city.

01:34:39.120 --> 01:34:44.560
 Yeah, that's really all I have.

01:34:44.560 --> 01:34:49.840
 I mean, I'll give my time back for any other questions, 10 seconds.

01:34:49.840 --> 01:34:51.840
 I appreciate you.

01:34:51.840 --> 01:34:52.840
 Yeah.

01:34:52.840 --> 01:34:57.520
 I don't see any other questions from commissioners at this point, so I'll go ahead and, if they

01:34:57.520 --> 01:34:59.520
 come up again, we'll call you back to the podium.

01:34:59.520 --> 01:35:00.520
 Sure.

01:35:00.520 --> 01:35:01.520
 Absolutely.

01:35:01.520 --> 01:35:02.520
 Thank you.

01:35:02.520 --> 01:35:03.520
 Thank you very much.

01:35:03.520 --> 01:35:04.520
 Tina.

01:35:04.520 --> 01:35:07.520
 Thank you, Chair Ellis.

01:35:07.520 --> 01:35:12.400
 I just wanted to address something with respect to the comprehensive plan, and also I want

01:35:12.400 --> 01:35:17.400
 to make sure that the record was correct with the commission giving some comments in the

01:35:17.400 --> 01:35:18.400
 work session.

01:35:18.400 --> 01:35:20.760
 I went back and I looked at the 2030 plan.

01:35:20.760 --> 01:35:25.480
 The 2030 plan had this area designated as neighborhood mixed use, so I think the comment

01:35:25.480 --> 01:35:29.600
 was made possibly community mixed use, so I just want to make sure that the commission

01:35:29.600 --> 01:35:33.400
 understood that that has not changed as we went through that plan update.

01:35:33.400 --> 01:35:37.560
 I know we had the zoning case, it does predate my time, but I know we had the zoning case

01:35:37.560 --> 01:35:42.160
 request to rezone the property to MN, and that was not successful, obviously, given

01:35:42.160 --> 01:35:46.000
 that the existing zoning is what it is today on the property.

01:35:46.000 --> 01:35:51.640
 When staff evaluates requests for rezonings, we evaluate those zoning requests in accordance

01:35:51.640 --> 01:35:54.280
 with what the comprehensive plan recommendation is.

01:35:54.280 --> 01:35:58.420
 So, you know, we updated our comprehensive plan in 2040.

01:35:58.420 --> 01:36:03.240
 For 2040, we adopted that plan in March of 2022, in which I know many of you were involved

01:36:03.240 --> 01:36:04.560
 in that process.

01:36:04.560 --> 01:36:08.000
 This is an area that we did not make changes with respect to that neighborhood mixed use

01:36:08.000 --> 01:36:11.120
 district or designation, excuse me, at that location.

01:36:11.120 --> 01:36:15.200
 So as you all are well aware of, zoning is the tool that implements the comprehensive

01:36:15.200 --> 01:36:19.800
 plan, and so, you know, we evaluate zoning requests that are brought forth based upon

01:36:19.800 --> 01:36:22.480
 what our comprehensive plan recommendations are.

01:36:22.480 --> 01:36:25.920
 You know, this is a unique area in that we have a variety of different land uses along

01:36:25.920 --> 01:36:27.000
 377.

01:36:27.000 --> 01:36:31.600
 We have properties within the city that are adjacent to properties that are not within

01:36:31.600 --> 01:36:32.600
 the city.

01:36:32.600 --> 01:36:35.640
 And so, even when the Planning and Zoning Commission and Council worked on the comprehensive

01:36:35.640 --> 01:36:40.000
 plan update, I know that was a challenge at times when we looked at designations of land

01:36:40.000 --> 01:36:44.760
 use and how we balance that with properties that are outside the ETJ.

01:36:44.760 --> 01:36:50.920
 You know, if the commission finds itself where it's not supportive of this rezoning request

01:36:50.920 --> 01:36:55.880
 that's consistent with the comprehensive plan, then my recommendation to the commission then

01:36:55.880 --> 01:37:00.440
 is then maybe we need to reevaluate this area and what our land use designations are for

01:37:00.440 --> 01:37:05.560
 the area, because we would have had a second zoning case come through, and if the commission

01:37:05.560 --> 01:37:10.640
 is finding that this request is not the right request for this area, then we do need to

01:37:10.640 --> 01:37:13.680
 look at reevaluating our land use recommendations for this area.

01:37:13.680 --> 01:37:16.480
 So, you know, I just want to put that out there.

01:37:16.480 --> 01:37:22.320
 If that's where the--if the commission may be struggling with what is the appropriate

01:37:22.320 --> 01:37:26.920
 land uses for this area, you know, again, our task as staff is to review requests that

01:37:26.920 --> 01:37:30.120
 are received to see how it stacks up with our comprehensive plan.

01:37:30.120 --> 01:37:32.280
 In this case, you know, we look to the future land use map.

01:37:32.280 --> 01:37:35.920
 We also look at our other goals and policies, which is also providing an opportunity for

01:37:35.920 --> 01:37:37.640
 diverse housing within the community.

01:37:37.640 --> 01:37:39.240
 So thank you.

01:37:39.240 --> 01:37:40.240
 Thank you, Tina.

01:37:40.240 --> 01:37:41.240
 Appreciate that.

01:37:41.240 --> 01:37:46.720
 Do we have a motion on the floor, Commissioner Villareal?

01:37:46.720 --> 01:37:47.720
 Yes.

01:37:47.720 --> 01:37:51.840
 It's difficult for me to see how, as a straight zoning case, this is appropriate for the area

01:37:51.840 --> 01:37:54.120
 and the surrounding density.

01:37:54.120 --> 01:38:00.040
 I agree with the chair's earlier point that, you know, promises are great.

01:38:00.040 --> 01:38:03.780
 It's good to hear that you all are willing to work with the neighborhoods, but unless

01:38:03.780 --> 01:38:08.440
 it's codified in a plan--you know, a plan development, it doesn't mean much.

01:38:08.440 --> 01:38:12.960
 So I would like to see it come back as a PD down the road perhaps with some of those protections

01:38:12.960 --> 01:38:20.400
 in place, but at this current time, as a straight zoning case, I have to move denial.

01:38:20.400 --> 01:38:21.400
 Commissioner Cole?

01:38:21.400 --> 01:38:22.400
 Second.

01:38:22.400 --> 01:38:23.400
 Okay.

01:38:23.400 --> 01:38:26.960
 We've got a first and a second for denial.

01:38:26.960 --> 01:38:29.920
 Commissioner Perrett is on the floor.

01:38:29.920 --> 01:38:33.520
 Thank you, Chair.

01:38:33.520 --> 01:38:38.020
 So just a few thoughts on this.

01:38:38.020 --> 01:38:39.080
 We live in America.

01:38:39.080 --> 01:38:41.080
 We have a lot of rights.

01:38:41.080 --> 01:38:46.760
 The right to prevent someone from living near us who doesn't have as much money of us is

01:38:46.760 --> 01:38:53.300
 not one of those rights.

01:38:53.300 --> 01:39:00.340
 You know, there are other cities who have gone with PDs so that everybody feels happy

01:39:00.340 --> 01:39:03.460
 and safe.

01:39:03.460 --> 01:39:07.200
 Cities with 1,000 PDs just do not work.

01:39:07.200 --> 01:39:08.200
 They do not.

01:39:08.200 --> 01:39:14.160
 It's a way to ensure that the next time housing--how do you think prices go up?

01:39:14.160 --> 01:39:20.840
 They go up three times as fast in your city as they go up anywhere else.

01:39:20.840 --> 01:39:31.960
 With that said, this is a special area, not because of the character or the animals, but

01:39:31.960 --> 01:39:36.880
 I love goats, trust me.

01:39:36.880 --> 01:39:47.840
 It's special because to me, Hickory Creek provides a natural southern border toward

01:39:47.840 --> 01:39:55.040
 the type of development that you would consider the city, and this is south of that.

01:39:55.040 --> 01:40:03.160
 So I think, you know, staff absolutely agree that staff evaluated this based on the future

01:40:03.160 --> 01:40:04.520
 land use map.

01:40:04.520 --> 01:40:08.480
 To me, when I look at that land use map, it looks like an inkblot down there that is leftover

01:40:08.480 --> 01:40:16.860
 from the 1990 plan that envisioned a whole bunch of additional annexation and creating

01:40:16.860 --> 01:40:21.840
 a true neighborhood down there, and it's just not going to happen.

01:40:21.840 --> 01:40:24.960
 Not like that anyway.

01:40:24.960 --> 01:40:38.140
 So to me, the question is, we need homes, is it better to have 51, 52 homes down here,

01:40:38.140 --> 01:40:41.520
 or is it better to have them somewhere else in the city?

01:40:41.520 --> 01:40:52.640
 And just because of the sensitivity of reining in expansive development that honestly is

01:40:52.640 --> 01:40:57.720
 a tax raise to everybody else in the city, because we would be subsidizing it, it's just

01:40:57.720 --> 01:41:03.080
 not worth it to me.

01:41:03.080 --> 01:41:04.080
 Commissioner Smith.

01:41:04.080 --> 01:41:05.080
 Thank you, Chair.

01:41:05.080 --> 01:41:12.520
 I don't think necessarily a denial is something that would be an item that I would support,

01:41:12.520 --> 01:41:18.840
 although I do think that from what the applicant did say that if I could have you, if I could

01:41:18.840 --> 01:41:23.880
 sign something today that says I'm going to develop a single family residential, I would,

01:41:23.880 --> 01:41:30.860
 there is, and that is a plan development, seeing a PD, having a site plan incorporated

01:41:30.860 --> 01:41:35.840
 into that PD that codifies what that property is going to look like with no ability for

01:41:35.840 --> 01:41:38.040
 it to be changed in comparison to a straight zoning.

01:41:38.040 --> 01:41:45.560
 And so I think that essentially either whether it's a postponement or a denial, I would heavily

01:41:45.560 --> 01:41:52.720
 encourage that if this project wants to move forward whatsoever, I think that it needs

01:41:52.720 --> 01:41:57.400
 to be changed and retracted and then presented back as a plan development.

01:41:57.400 --> 01:42:03.120
 But if not, then I think I agree with Commissioner Pruitt in the sense that diversity of housing

01:42:03.120 --> 01:42:06.680
 is something that our comprehensive plan calls for.

01:42:06.680 --> 01:42:08.520
 I love this area of Argyle.

01:42:08.520 --> 01:42:12.880
 I live maybe two miles from the side of this property.

01:42:12.880 --> 01:42:19.480
 It is rural and I do think that a development and this zoning could allow for the character

01:42:19.480 --> 01:42:23.960
 of the neighborhood to be maintained while also allowing for diversity of housing as

01:42:23.960 --> 01:42:26.880
 well as an allowance for commercial property.

01:42:26.880 --> 01:42:30.480
 I'm a supporter for the commercial property to be there.

01:42:30.480 --> 01:42:34.600
 But if it was to be codified, the plan development would be the best format for it to be done.

01:42:34.600 --> 01:42:38.640
 And so, but I'm not sure if I would necessarily support denial.

01:42:38.640 --> 01:42:41.560
 I think that it does need to make changes.

01:42:41.560 --> 01:42:43.880
 Thanks, Commissioner Smith.

01:42:43.880 --> 01:42:49.880
 Yeah, this whole struggle here is not anything, honestly, that Mr. Oasis said.

01:42:49.880 --> 01:42:54.080
 I mean, I think 50 homes here is okay.

01:42:54.080 --> 01:42:55.560
 Single family homes there is great.

01:42:55.560 --> 01:43:00.820
 I think the problem is there's nothing to codify that in this request.

01:43:00.820 --> 01:43:03.760
 So there's no protections that are here.

01:43:03.760 --> 01:43:09.120
 We have to look at everything on this case-by-case basis and this particular case, it's such

01:43:09.120 --> 01:43:16.920
 a unique area, as we've mentioned before, and there's nothing that helps to safeguard

01:43:16.920 --> 01:43:20.960
 what is around this piece of land.

01:43:20.960 --> 01:43:23.360
 So I think that's the whole struggle here.

01:43:23.360 --> 01:43:25.520
 It's not the struggle with development so much.

01:43:25.520 --> 01:43:30.160
 I mean, certainly more homes in this area, fine.

01:43:30.160 --> 01:43:36.160
 Commercial, as soon as the roads can support it, absolutely.

01:43:36.160 --> 01:43:38.920
 So I don't think that's not where the struggle is.

01:43:38.920 --> 01:43:47.880
 The struggle is a straight zoning case in this particular area is quite scary because

01:43:47.880 --> 01:43:54.680
 we can't, there's nothing that was said today that the city can uphold.

01:43:54.680 --> 01:43:58.120
 So, I mean, this could end up, you know, express homes.

01:43:58.120 --> 01:43:59.120
 I mean, who knows?

01:43:59.120 --> 01:44:01.760
 It could end up as a townhome development.

01:44:01.760 --> 01:44:06.720
 We don't know what it could end up, anything that R6 allows by right, which is a lot of

01:44:06.720 --> 01:44:08.000
 things.

01:44:08.000 --> 01:44:13.400
 So I think that's the struggle that many on this commission are having is that this isn't

01:44:13.400 --> 01:44:18.160
 presented in a way that we can put any safeguards in, that we can make sure that wall or that

01:44:18.160 --> 01:44:25.840
 buffer is there for these people who live, really, in the ETJ and the way they live should

01:44:25.840 --> 01:44:26.840
 be respected.

01:44:26.840 --> 01:44:27.840
 They do have animals.

01:44:27.840 --> 01:44:34.000
 I drove that property, I think it was just this morning, and several animals are running

01:44:34.000 --> 01:44:35.000
 around.

01:44:35.000 --> 01:44:37.720
 I mean, that's just how the area is.

01:44:37.720 --> 01:44:44.320
 It's rural living, and protection, I think, does need to be in place on this particular

01:44:44.320 --> 01:44:52.720
 tract of land to ensure the safety of those residents and their animals and their children.

01:44:52.720 --> 01:44:58.200
 So I believe that's the struggle here is that we can't safeguard anything here.

01:44:58.200 --> 01:45:04.800
 We're just gonna put it out there to run R6 zoning, and then the property owner, I assume,

01:45:04.800 --> 01:45:12.600
 is going to look for a seller, I mean, a buyer for the property to develop under R6, and

01:45:12.600 --> 01:45:16.760
 that could be anything.

01:45:16.760 --> 01:45:19.120
 So I guess that's all I have to say at this point.

01:45:19.120 --> 01:45:23.440
 I don't see, is there any other commissioners wishing to speak?

01:45:23.440 --> 01:45:29.720
 We do have a motion on the floor to deny this request, and it has been seconded.

01:45:29.720 --> 01:45:44.520
 So with that, I'll go ahead and ask for a vote.

01:45:44.520 --> 01:45:49.240
 That will carry 5-1.

01:45:49.240 --> 01:45:53.520
 I do appreciate everyone who did come out to speak on this item.

01:45:53.520 --> 01:45:56.600
 Thank you very much.

01:45:56.600 --> 01:46:03.160
 That will go ahead and move us to our project matrix.

01:46:03.160 --> 01:46:09.520
 I will go ahead and recess us for five minutes and let the room clear.

01:46:09.520 --> 01:46:13.080
 It is 7-50.

01:46:13.080 --> 01:46:14.480
 Thank you for that brief recess.

01:46:14.480 --> 01:46:20.040
 It is 7-55, and I'll call us back to order, and next on our agenda this evening is the

01:46:20.040 --> 01:46:24.360
 planning and zoning matrix, and I'll turn that over to Tina.

01:46:24.360 --> 01:46:26.720
 Thank you, Chair Ellis.

01:46:26.720 --> 01:46:30.640
 So we updated the matrix since our last planning and zoning commission meeting.

01:46:30.640 --> 01:46:35.600
 I know the commission had requested for a presentation regarding city and tech stock

01:46:35.600 --> 01:46:42.320
 coordination on a variety of different roadways, so we've added that to the matrix, and so,

01:46:42.320 --> 01:46:43.320
 and my apologies.

01:46:43.320 --> 01:46:47.080
 I know we've had some items on here that have been a little bit longer, and with everything

01:46:47.080 --> 01:46:49.920
 else we've had going on, we haven't had a chance to get to some of those, but we'll

01:46:49.920 --> 01:46:53.160
 make sure we start working on this list.

01:46:53.160 --> 01:46:58.120
 So, but other items, just I wanted to give the commission an update on, I promise, my

01:46:58.120 --> 01:47:01.040
 notes are short compared to previous evenings.

01:47:01.040 --> 01:47:08.120
 If you want to hold up just a minute, we're going to go ahead and close the door for noise.

01:47:08.120 --> 01:47:16.560
 Thank you, Hillary.

01:47:16.560 --> 01:47:17.560
 Thank you, Hillary.

01:47:17.560 --> 01:47:18.560
 Appreciate that.

01:47:18.560 --> 01:47:19.560
 Okay, Tina.

01:47:19.560 --> 01:47:20.560
 No worries.

01:47:20.560 --> 01:47:21.560
 You're welcome.

01:47:21.560 --> 01:47:25.760
 So, typically I give you an update on development cases that have been to city council since

01:47:25.760 --> 01:47:26.760
 your last meeting.

01:47:26.760 --> 01:47:30.520
 We have not had anything go before council in terms of development case, however, we

01:47:30.520 --> 01:47:37.840
 did have last night, our downtown master plan update contract was approved, so we will start

01:47:37.840 --> 01:47:43.920
 working on our third area plan, and so Ron's going to be the project manager on that, assisted

01:47:43.920 --> 01:47:48.360
 by Sean, and so we will be, I know there was emails going back and forth today regarding

01:47:48.360 --> 01:47:52.420
 getting that first meeting set up with the consultant, so we'll be working on getting

01:47:52.420 --> 01:47:55.080
 that project underway.

01:47:55.080 --> 01:48:00.760
 Speaking of our other area plans, so Northeast area plan, the next major milestone we have

01:48:00.760 --> 01:48:04.960
 as it relates to that project is a joint meeting with the planning and zoning commission and

01:48:04.960 --> 01:48:12.760
 city council and steering committee on Tuesday, August 1st, at 11 a.m., not 8 a.m., 11 a.m.,

01:48:12.760 --> 01:48:14.640
 and so make sure you put that on your calendar.

01:48:14.640 --> 01:48:19.000
 I know Kathy will eventually get a meeting invite sent out to you, but again, that's

01:48:19.000 --> 01:48:20.000
 already was done.

01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:21.000
 Oh, it has been?

01:48:21.000 --> 01:48:22.000
 Okay, perfect.

01:48:22.000 --> 01:48:23.000
 Okay, excellent.

01:48:23.000 --> 01:48:24.000
 So make sure you respond to that.

01:48:24.000 --> 01:48:29.120
 So we have folks in attendance, but again, that's our next major milestone as it relates

01:48:29.120 --> 01:48:33.480
 to that project, and we'll be talking about some proposed strategies as it relates to

01:48:33.480 --> 01:48:36.080
 the Northeast Denton area plan.

01:48:36.080 --> 01:48:41.240
 Southeast Denton area plan, so this past week we're going to have has been extremely busy

01:48:41.240 --> 01:48:48.800
 for the team with Juneteenth celebration festivities going on as well as our listening sessions,

01:48:48.800 --> 01:48:56.000
 and so we had a huge public engagement push for our second round of engagement, really

01:48:56.000 --> 01:49:01.240
 trying to attract that 50 and younger crowd, if you will, and get a variety of demographic

01:49:01.240 --> 01:49:03.240
 interest as well.

01:49:03.240 --> 01:49:10.720
 The team did intercept surveys in addition to having a booth presence, if you will, canopy

01:49:10.720 --> 01:49:15.520
 presence in the heat at the Juneteenth festivities in addition to intercept surveys.

01:49:15.520 --> 01:49:20.680
 So the consultant team is still pulling together our numbers from that last round of engagement

01:49:20.680 --> 01:49:26.080
 sessions, so we'll have more information to share as we move on as it relates to that

01:49:26.080 --> 01:49:27.080
 project.

01:49:27.080 --> 01:49:30.660
 I would like to point out the steering committee had their first meeting this past Friday,

01:49:30.660 --> 01:49:34.640
 so we had a really good discussion with the steering committee, and we were able to have

01:49:34.640 --> 01:49:38.840
 some discussion and validate some of the public engagement feedback that's been received thus

01:49:38.840 --> 01:49:42.200
 far, so I think we're going to have a really great group to work with as it relates to

01:49:42.200 --> 01:49:43.200
 that.

01:49:43.200 --> 01:49:48.560
 So that concludes my update, and happy to answer any questions you may have.

01:49:48.560 --> 01:49:49.560
 Commissioner Villarreal.

01:49:49.560 --> 01:49:52.760
 I just wanted to thank you for everything you all are doing for the Southeast area plan.

01:49:52.760 --> 01:49:57.640
 It sounds like you all are taking unique efforts to ensure that we have a variety of opinions

01:49:57.640 --> 01:49:59.600
 voiced, so thank you so much for doing that.

01:49:59.600 --> 01:50:03.460
 Absolutely, and I have to admit, I can't take credit for this.

01:50:03.460 --> 01:50:04.460
 It's my team.

01:50:04.460 --> 01:50:06.480
 Mia, I know, is here.

01:50:06.480 --> 01:50:07.480
 Mia is our assistant PM.

01:50:07.480 --> 01:50:12.280
 Julie is our project manager on that, but also I had several other staff members, you

01:50:12.280 --> 01:50:16.920
 know, Angie's assistant PM on the Northeast plan, but I know I had several staff members

01:50:16.920 --> 01:50:20.240
 in attendance at the various events over the weekend.

01:50:20.240 --> 01:50:24.680
 We've also had, again, doing the intercept surveys.

01:50:24.680 --> 01:50:28.720
 I think they're having a lot of fun with it, but it's been really a lot of hard work also,

01:50:28.720 --> 01:50:35.260
 and I commend them for really trying to engage the public and receive feedback, and we can

01:50:35.260 --> 01:50:40.640
 tell the word is getting out, right, and because we hear it from other sources, and so, again,

01:50:40.640 --> 01:50:41.640
 we're continuing to try.

01:50:41.640 --> 01:50:43.480
 So thank you for recognizing those efforts.

01:50:43.480 --> 01:50:44.780
 That's excellent.

01:50:44.780 --> 01:50:45.780
 Thank you.

01:50:45.780 --> 01:50:46.780
 Commissioner Perot.

01:50:46.780 --> 01:50:48.400
 Yeah, I just want to echo that.

01:50:48.400 --> 01:50:52.080
 It's been nothing short of heroic, really.

01:50:52.080 --> 01:50:57.840
 You know, we complain and we say we need more planning, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and

01:50:57.840 --> 01:51:02.160
 when it really comes down to it, you're knocking it out of the park.

01:51:02.160 --> 01:51:07.120
 It's just everybody involved is, you know, from staff to the consultant to everything,

01:51:07.120 --> 01:51:16.680
 the Southeast Denton plan is truly just trying to make sure that everybody is involved, and

01:51:16.680 --> 01:51:20.600
 I know that's hard, and I know that makes everything harder to draft once you have all

01:51:20.600 --> 01:51:26.160
 that stuff and you have to comprehend it, but thank you.

01:51:26.160 --> 01:51:27.800
 Thank you, Commissioner Perot.

01:51:27.800 --> 01:51:29.960
 Anything else for the matrix?

01:51:29.960 --> 01:51:34.040
 I'll say I agree with all of that.

01:51:34.040 --> 01:51:37.240
 I think you and your staff are great, and yay, area plans.

01:51:37.240 --> 01:51:42.520
 We've never had so many approved and going all at one time.

01:51:42.520 --> 01:51:43.520
 It's really a great thing.

01:51:43.520 --> 01:51:47.300
 Commissioner Smith's got his thumbs up there, so thanks.

01:51:47.300 --> 01:51:50.440
 With regard to your staff, I think you have a new staff member here that people don't

01:51:50.440 --> 01:51:53.880
 know, so why don't we go ahead and get him introduced, if you don't mind?

01:51:53.880 --> 01:51:57.520
 Ask, and you all have 10 questions each for him, right?

01:51:57.520 --> 01:52:00.200
 So, I would like to introduce Matt Bodine.

01:52:00.200 --> 01:52:02.240
 Did I pronounce that correct?

01:52:02.240 --> 01:52:03.240
 Okay.

01:52:03.240 --> 01:52:06.600
 I introduced him, and I misspelled his last name, or mispronounced his last name, so my

01:52:06.600 --> 01:52:07.600
 apologies.

01:52:07.600 --> 01:52:08.600
 I want to make sure I get that right.

01:52:08.600 --> 01:52:09.600
 But Matt joined us here recently.

01:52:09.600 --> 01:52:13.600
 Matt, have you been three weeks, four weeks?

01:52:13.600 --> 01:52:14.600
 Third week on the job.

01:52:14.600 --> 01:52:19.160
 So, Matt is a recent graduate from Texas A&M, so for all you Aggies, go ahead and get your

01:52:19.160 --> 01:52:20.160
 hoops out.

01:52:20.160 --> 01:52:25.640
 So, but Matt joins our team, and we've been excited to have him, so we've been very fortunate

01:52:25.640 --> 01:52:30.840
 to be able to grow our team, and we're still working on trying to fill some positions that

01:52:30.840 --> 01:52:37.040
 we have, but we're very happy to have Matt with us, and today I asked him to help Karina

01:52:37.040 --> 01:52:41.520
 in providing some support and to help with some transportation reviews, so we're letting

01:52:41.520 --> 01:52:45.520
 him jump in with both feet and get started, so it's great, and we appreciate having him

01:52:45.520 --> 01:52:46.520
 with us.

01:52:46.520 --> 01:52:50.920
 So, eventually you'll have presentations from Matt at the podium, but also I want to give

01:52:50.920 --> 01:52:53.960
 him some baby steps and not quite throw him into the deep end just yet.

01:52:53.960 --> 01:52:54.960
 Sounds good.

01:52:54.960 --> 01:52:58.360
 Come aboard, Matt.

01:52:58.360 --> 01:53:03.840
 With regard, Tina, to our discussion tonight with ETJ notification, I know Commissioner

01:53:03.840 --> 01:53:12.020
 Smith is taking lead on that in talking to Council, so hopefully we'll get that going

01:53:12.020 --> 01:53:17.760
 on that end just to see if we can, you know, I'm not exactly sure what the right answer

01:53:17.760 --> 01:53:23.720
 is, but I'm sure as a collective group that we can figure out the best way to handle that.

01:53:23.720 --> 01:53:26.140
 Thank you for that update.

01:53:26.140 --> 01:53:28.400
 Do we have any concluding items?

01:53:28.400 --> 01:53:29.400
 Okay.

01:53:29.400 --> 01:53:31.760
 I'll just say thanks, everybody.

01:53:31.760 --> 01:53:36.280
 Stay cool out there, and hydrated, and I'll adjourn us at 8.02.

01:53:36.280 --> 01:53:37.280
 Thank you all.

01:53:37.280 --> 01:53:37.280
 Thank you very much.