1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,780 Good afternoon, welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission meeting for 2 00:00:06,780 --> 00:00:10,320 Wednesday, June 28th, 2023. 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:14,800 This is our work session, and with the quorum present, I will call us to order at 5.30 p.m. 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:21,300 I'll let the record show Commissioner Villarreal is absent at this time. 5 00:00:21,300 --> 00:00:24,520 First item on our work session is citizen comment on consent agenda. 6 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:29,680 However, we do not have a consent agenda this evening, so we will go move right to number 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:36,000 two on our work session, which is clarification of agenda items for this evening's meeting. 8 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,920 First item is the minutes for the 14th of June. 9 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,760 Commissioners, any comments on the minutes? 10 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:44,760 Questions? 11 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:45,760 Okay. 12 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:54,040 That will move us to items for individual consideration, 3A is V230003. 13 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:58,200 I'll have Mia come up and give us a quick rundown on that, and we'll see if there's 14 00:00:58,200 --> 00:00:59,200 any questions. 15 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,240 Okay, thank you. 16 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:10,840 Okay, good evening, members of the commission, Mia Hines, Associate Planner. 17 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:18,680 This item, V230003, is a request to reduce the minimum number of vehicular access points 18 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:25,960 from two to one for a proposed multi-family site located at the northwest corner of FM1173 19 00:01:25,960 --> 00:01:29,720 and the southbound I-35 frontage road. 20 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:36,400 The site itself is currently zoned MR, and per the Ditten Development Code, recent adoption, 21 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:43,120 we do require at least two full points of vehicular access for residential uses where 22 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:48,320 the development is proposing to construct 30 new dwelling units or more, which this 23 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:55,080 one is, and so we would require normally two points of access per that Code of the Ditten 24 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:56,080 Development Code. 25 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:02,840 However, there are some construction plans for the TXDOT reconstruction of the I-35 per 26 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:10,120 TXDOT in this area that a second drive access point off I-35 would not meet TXDOT standards 27 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:19,000 from the intersection of FM1173 and I-35 and the GORE, proposed GORE, that would be within 28 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,200 the TXDOT right-of-way, and so given that information, we are recommending approval 29 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:30,480 of this application. I do have a fuller presentation with a little blown up exhibits, but I can 30 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,280 go on through that if you'd like or I can take any questions that you have from this 31 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:34,280 summary. 32 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,760 Can I share his questions? 33 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:38,760 Commissioner Pruitt? 34 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:46,240 Thank you, Chair. Can you remind me what TXDOT plans are currently with 77 and how that 35 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,800 crosses over and what's happening there? 36 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:57,920 Yeah, 'cause there's some plan, as I recall, for arterial that's going over toward Crum, 37 00:02:57,920 --> 00:02:58,920 right? 38 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:04,840 Yes, so Carina Maldonado, Transportation Planner, so in this general area, US77 will realign 39 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:10,920 with Barthold and when, so if you look at our mobility plan, I know we don't have it 40 00:03:10,920 --> 00:03:17,240 up here, 77 will have a crossing over with Barthold and then as it goes west, it'll come 41 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:24,440 back down to FM 1173, so it'll go kind of north in this area, and so what you're seeing 42 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:30,400 here is part of that expansion for the frontage roads that will ultimately have on and off 43 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,400 ramps to also connect to loop 288. 44 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:39,360 Okay, but the access proposed on the south end is to 1173, not to Barthold, so it won't 45 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:40,800 be that future thoroughfare. 46 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:46,800 This, so this is the Gore point, that will actually be an on-ramp onto I-35, and then 47 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:52,200 further north, or I should say further south, would be the ramps towards future loop 288 48 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:57,480 on the west side, so 77 is not near this area. 49 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:58,480 Barthold is to the north. 50 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,200 It's north of here, and then it'll come down, okay, thank you. 51 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:03,200 Yep. 52 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:04,200 Commissioner Cole? 53 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:10,160 Thank you, Chair, so what you're saying is this one access is temporary, so eventually 54 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:15,560 with the ramps in I-35, that would... 55 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,760 The driveway access point? 56 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:18,760 Yeah. 57 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:23,720 No, so they are requesting to remove that one completely, the one that's off of I-35, 58 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,040 and just stick with the one that's off of FM 1173. 59 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,080 Okay. 60 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:36,200 Mia, did you have a discussion with FIRE on this? 61 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:37,200 We did. 62 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:44,680 I didn't see a whole lot of that in the backup, other than that it, you know, it was not public 63 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,480 safety concern. 64 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,280 My whole issue with this would be the safety of the complex, so... 65 00:04:50,280 --> 00:04:52,240 Yeah, usually with the... 66 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,800 It's depending on the unit count that kicks in, their requirement for two points of access 67 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,880 and meeting, you know, those spacing requirements. 68 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,600 Do you remember that number for the unit count? 69 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:01,600 Sorry. 70 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:02,600 Thanks. 71 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:03,600 Sorry. 72 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,600 So for FIRE's requirements per the International Fire Code, if they hit the trigger of more 73 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:12,040 than 201 units, then they would meet that remoteness and would require two points of 74 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:13,080 access. 75 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:18,080 So since this proposed development is less than 200, they wouldn't need to meet two points 76 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:19,920 of access for FIRE. 77 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:25,320 They would need to meet it per our development code and would have spacing requirements that 78 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:29,400 they wouldn't need to meet certain FIRE code requirements, so this is just a waiver to 79 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,800 drop it down to normally what FIRE would be okay with. 80 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:33,800 Okay. 81 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:34,800 And that was my question. 82 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:35,800 Yep. 83 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:36,800 Okay. 84 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:37,800 Thank you. 85 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:38,800 Anybody else? 86 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:39,800 Okay. 87 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,040 Thanks, Mia. 88 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,000 Next is 3B, FP230012. 89 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,040 Julie has that one. 90 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:49,920 Hi, Julie. 91 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:51,800 Good evening. 92 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:57,760 Julie Wyatt, and I have a final plot. 93 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,840 You may be familiar with this project. 94 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:01,880 This is the Agave Ranch project. 95 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:07,420 It is located on FM428, just northeast of town. 96 00:06:07,420 --> 00:06:11,400 They have submitted a final plot for the second phase of this project. 97 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,000 They have some additional items that they do need to work through in order for it to 98 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:21,320 comply with all of the standards and regulations, and so staff is recommending denial. 99 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:29,160 However, we have no objection to the requested extension to the July 19th planning and zoning 100 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,920 meeting, and I'll be happy to answer any questions. 101 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,120 Thank you, Julie. 102 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:34,960 Any questions for Julie? 103 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,280 Okay. 104 00:06:36,280 --> 00:06:38,720 Thank you very much. 105 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:43,920 Next item on the agenda tonight is 3C, FP230010. 106 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:45,680 Are you the stand-in for, Cameron? 107 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:46,680 I am. 108 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,600 I'm standing in for Cameron tonight. 109 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:54,040 Julie Wyatt, this is FP230010. 110 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:59,600 This is a final plot for an industrial use. 111 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:07,100 It is located on the northwest side of town in that general area that Mia was discussing. 112 00:07:07,100 --> 00:07:10,040 This is south of 1173. 113 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:15,280 Once again, they do have some items that they need to correct in order to meet all the regulations, 114 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:16,880 and so staff is recommending denial. 115 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:21,080 However, we have no objection to the requested extension to July 19th. 116 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:22,080 Great. 117 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:23,840 Thank you, Julie. 118 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,440 Any questions for Julie on this one? 119 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:27,440 Great. 120 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:28,440 All right. 121 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:29,440 Thank you. 122 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:30,440 Thank you. 123 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,700 We've got two public hearings this evening. 124 00:07:32,700 --> 00:07:37,880 First one is 4A, AESA230000. 125 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,520 Commissioner Cole will be recusing himself from this item. 126 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,480 Hello, Christy. 127 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:44,480 Hi. 128 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,960 It's already loaded? 129 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:47,960 Okay. 130 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:48,960 Thanks. 131 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:55,960 So, just do this real quick. 132 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:01,440 Christy Upton, environmental compliance coordinator, and I'm presenting an alternative ESA plan 133 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:05,040 for Hunter Ranch phase one. 134 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:12,400 In summary, Hunter Ranch is requesting to deviate from the environmentally sensitive areas protection 135 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:20,120 requirements by filling in a .14 acre herbaceous wetland, and then they will be recreating 136 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:26,180 the ecological services offered by that wetland closer to a waterway, and staff is recommending 137 00:08:26,180 --> 00:08:30,360 approval to get into a little bit more detail. 138 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:39,960 Hunter Ranch received permission to develop under a master plan community plan, and the 139 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:48,200 phase one preliminary plot during that review, we identified that there is that .14 acre 140 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:56,280 wetland that is located generally where two residential lots are being constructed. 141 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:02,720 And then also there is phase one of the civil plans are currently under review. 142 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:08,320 And then a little bit more detail on the wetland that was identified. 143 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:15,080 It was a herbaceous wetland that was -- that seems to have developed after a stock pond. 144 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:22,040 There were some dam failures, and the water remained, and so it had created these wetland 145 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:23,800 conditions. 146 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:32,040 It's isolated, and it's kind of upland of the remainder of the waterway. 147 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:42,360 So the isolation and the development of the site is going to further degrade the wetland 148 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:49,740 if it was to remain, because it would further be isolated from hydrologically. 149 00:09:49,740 --> 00:09:59,200 So the proposal is to recreate the wetland by first excavating the soils close to that 150 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:09,120 waterway, and then scraping the existing wetland, transferring the root stock and the seed stock 151 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:17,360 from that existing wetland to the new location, and then supplementing that with a seed mix 152 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:26,800 that is a vegetative cover that would -- that is -- sorry, I missed the word -- that is 153 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,780 native and adaptive to those conditions. 154 00:10:30,780 --> 00:10:38,760 And then the final product is to expect a 60 percent vegetative cover. 155 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:46,360 Notifications were sent out, and because Hunter Ranch is the only property within the required 156 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:54,280 boundaries of the notifications, Hunter Ranch did offer to host neighborhood meetings with 157 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,680 some of the surrounding properties, so those informal meetings were held. 158 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:07,520 I also received several inquiries from residents who were passing by and saw the signs, but 159 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:13,840 no one sent in any responses officially. 160 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:20,680 And our recommendation is to approve the project, and with the conditions that were in your 161 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:29,240 backup, there is one minor correction that is being made, a typo in your backup materials 162 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:34,880 that listed that 90 percent vegetative cover and should say 60 percent. 163 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,040 And with that, I'll take any questions. 164 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:38,040 >> Thank you, Kristi. 165 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:39,040 Commissioner Smith. 166 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:45,520 >> There we go. 167 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:51,040 Always nice to get something you haven't seen in six years of being on P&Z, so having never 168 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:56,040 seen something like this where we are basically relocating -- I know it's an AESA -- we've 169 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:01,840 seen AESAs, but an AESA that pertains to specifically relocating a wetland like that, how many times 170 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,040 have we done that in the city? 171 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,160 What's our past experience with doing that, and you're shaking your head never? 172 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,380 >> Yeah, I've never seen this proposed project. 173 00:12:09,380 --> 00:12:14,940 I do have another project in the pipeline that you'll be seeing in the near future. 174 00:12:14,940 --> 00:12:18,760 The environmental scientist who prepared the plan, she is here. 175 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:23,000 Maybe she can give us a little more insight if you have questions at the public hearing. 176 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,000 >> Yeah, we'll wait for one. 177 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,400 >> But it's -- yeah, it's kind of a new concept to me as well. 178 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,600 >> I think just for the environmental scientist, I'm looking over at you guys because I don't 179 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:33,600 know -- okay, hi. 180 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:34,600 Nice to see you. 181 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,720 Who here is that? 182 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:41,040 But in the presentation, I'd like to just know a little bit more about history of replacing 183 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,360 these from just past projects since we've never seen something like this that, you know, 184 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:49,280 in theory on paper, it sounds like you can just, you know, cut and paste elsewhere. 185 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:50,280 I don't know. 186 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,180 That's not in reality that easy, not environmental scientist. 187 00:12:54,180 --> 00:12:57,360 So one was about the success rate. 188 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:02,840 We've seen failures before in other projects when this happened, and how long will it take 189 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:07,960 for it to get back to its -- to what it currently provides to the land and to the community 190 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:08,960 now? 191 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:09,960 Will it be when it gets transplanted? 192 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:16,160 And so I'd like to be able to know more of that information. 193 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:17,160 >> Great. 194 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:21,640 And I assume your presentation is bigger that you're going to be talking about tonight anyway, 195 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:22,640 right? 196 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:23,640 Or is that -- 197 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,120 >> It's generally what I had prepared. 198 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:26,120 >> Okay. 199 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:27,120 Then if you could incorporate -- 200 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,120 >> Yes. 201 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:29,120 >> Yeah, well, Commissioner Smith, yeah, has asked. 202 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:30,120 That would be fantastic. 203 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:31,120 Please. 204 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:32,120 >> Absolutely, yes. 205 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:33,120 Thank you. 206 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:34,120 Commissioner Villareal. 207 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:35,120 >> Hi. 208 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:42,800 More generally, when we're doing mitigation efforts for AESAs, do we see at least an equitable 209 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:49,680 return on environmental impact, or what are we looking for in terms of approving an AESA? 210 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:54,440 Does it have to have the same positive impact that the initial ESA would have? 211 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:55,440 >> I guess so. 212 00:13:55,440 --> 00:14:00,640 We have a criteria for approval in the Denton Development Code, and Hunter Ranch's project 213 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:09,120 has demonstrated that the project will exceed the minimum expectations. 214 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:17,880 They are recreating the wetlands so that the final acreage would be .23 acres. 215 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:24,720 There's not specifically a measure of the ecological services that is currently there, 216 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:29,840 and there's not a direct correlation to the ecological services that would provide. 217 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:39,080 But we do know that what is currently on the property is pretty low quality as far as species 218 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:47,160 richness and the ability for that wetland to provide those ecological services. 219 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:52,740 And when we talk about ecological services, we're talking about sequestering pollutants 220 00:14:52,740 --> 00:14:59,840 and providing habitat to wildlife, just two examples of something that we look for, and 221 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:08,920 by recreating the wetland closer to the waterway and introducing a native mix that is not currently 222 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,920 on the property, it's heavily grazed. 223 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:17,840 So a lot of the vegetation is missing from that area. 224 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:25,280 So reintroducing some of that vegetative mix, hopefully it will take off and maybe spread 225 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,520 within the riparian zone. 226 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,940 So those are some of my hopes to see as well. 227 00:15:32,940 --> 00:15:38,240 Just by relocating it closer to the waterway and by putting it within the hydrological 228 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:49,520 flow of the whole discharge of the proposed residential development, this new wetland should 229 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,080 provide more services in the future. 230 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:53,080 >> Fantastic. 231 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:58,560 And just for -- the backup was great, but for a layperson like me, would you be able 232 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:04,160 to say that it wouldn't cause any, you know, undue detrimental harm to wildlife in that 233 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:05,160 area? 234 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:11,140 You know, we're moving it, you know, physically we're moving habitat, right, and moving it 235 00:16:11,140 --> 00:16:13,280 a bit far away. 236 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,840 What's the effect on the wildlife currently in that habitat zone? 237 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:25,200 >> I expect to see that this actually will increase habitat for wildlife because, like 238 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:33,720 I said, it's pretty low quality right now, where it is and what is there, and so by this 239 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:41,000 project we should see a higher quality habitat overall and a greater acreage, so the end 240 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,200 result should be an improvement to the environment. 241 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:45,200 >> Fantastic. 242 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:51,360 And I know this is a new mitigation effort, but past mitigation efforts, what's the success 243 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:58,480 rate on past AESAs in terms of either replicating the benefits or even improving on the benefits 244 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,080 of past AESAs? 245 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:05,320 >> So I have seen through a few projects now. 246 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:10,560 I've been here five years, and so in that time the projects that had been approved in 247 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:16,720 the past that I've seen come through, we are seeing that there is an opportunity, not only 248 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:23,960 just an opportunity, but there is more vegetation, species richness that's being introduced, 249 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:33,160 and those areas where the vegetative cover is reestablished, the system does have an 250 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:40,320 improvement in the quality of the overall environment around those waterways. 251 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,640 >> So since you've been here for the past five years, there's been no failure rate in 252 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,040 terms of AESAs? 253 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:52,920 >> I mean, there's times when we still have to work through things, and so I continuously 254 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:53,920 work on that. 255 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:59,200 I'm not going to say that the first time that they plan it, it's successful because I've 256 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:05,360 seen those failures occur, but we don't relent until -- and we don't release the project 257 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:10,040 until we have seen what is in the ordinance, the requirements to meet those criteria. 258 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:11,040 >> Gotcha. 259 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:12,040 Thank you. 260 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:13,040 >> All right. 261 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,840 Failure is not an option, right? 262 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,880 Any other questions for Chrissy? 263 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:20,880 Thank you very much. 264 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:21,880 >> You're welcome. 265 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:31,760 That will move us to 4B, is Z220022B, and Angie is making her way up. 266 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:32,760 Hello. 267 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:33,760 >> Hey. 268 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,160 Good evening, everyone. 269 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,360 Just a moment here. 270 00:18:38,360 --> 00:18:45,040 Hey, Angie Mangler, Senior Planner, Development Services. 271 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,160 This is Brush Creek Rezoning. 272 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,800 Before we get into the background of this request, I'm sure you all saw on your backup 273 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:57,440 there are a handful of emails, I think upwards of 50, from residents in our ETJ who were 274 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,720 concerned about multifamily development. 275 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:04,240 I wanted to make it clear that we did have an error in our GIS map when we initially 276 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:09,520 posted this, the label red, Brush Creek multifamily, which I can see how that would be misleading. 277 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:14,680 We did quickly correct it and in my emails have corresponded with individuals that this 278 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,240 is not a multifamily request. 279 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,640 It's actually single family and SC, so I just kind of wanted to address that now as to maybe 280 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:27,320 why you had seen that and make it clear that this is a rezoning request from rural residential 281 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:32,960 and residential one on approximately 18 acres located at the northeast corner of US 377 282 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,660 and Brush Creek Road. 283 00:19:34,660 --> 00:19:35,660 The request is to rezone. 284 00:19:35,660 --> 00:19:39,320 >> Angie, can I interrupt you just a minute because Commissioner Cole hasn't returned 285 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,320 yet, so I'm going to go see if we can track you down. 286 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:42,320 >> That is true. 287 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,960 >> Yeah, if you don't mind, please. 288 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:45,960 Thank you. 289 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:53,960 >> He may -- yeah, he may -- >> He might want to know. 290 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:54,960 >> Yeah. 291 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:55,960 Right. 292 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:02,960 There's no TV knowing to tell him, hey. 293 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:03,960 Did you find him? 294 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,360 Oh, there he is. 295 00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:09,660 We almost got completely started without you on this one. 296 00:20:09,660 --> 00:20:10,660 Nice. 297 00:20:10,660 --> 00:20:12,480 Angie, thank you. 298 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:13,480 Go ahead. 299 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:14,480 >> Yeah, absolutely. 300 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:19,560 So, background on this request, this is a rezoning request on approximately 18 acres 301 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:23,640 located at the northeast corner of US 377 and Brush Creek Road. 302 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:29,000 The request is to rezone from rural residential and residential one to R6 and suburban corridor 303 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,000 districts. 304 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:35,300 Of the 18 acres, approximately 15 are being requested to be rezoned to R6 with the intent 305 00:20:35,300 --> 00:20:40,160 to develop a single-family residential, and the remaining 2.7 acres located at that hard 306 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,600 corner is being requested to be rezoned to suburban corridor. 307 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,760 Does have a future land use designation of neighborhood mixed use, which calls for predominantly 308 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:54,960 residential development and a variety of densities and housing types, but also calls for neighborhood 309 00:20:54,960 --> 00:21:01,760 serving professional services and retail to help kind of serve those neighborhoods. 310 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:07,280 Staff does find that this is consistent with our comprehensive plan and does meet our criteria 311 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:08,280 for approval. 312 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:12,300 We are forwarding this to you this evening with a recommendation of approval. 313 00:21:12,300 --> 00:21:17,160 Neither R6 nor SC would allow for multifamily development by right. 314 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,640 If somebody wanted to develop in the future that SC as multifamily, there would have to 315 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,640 be an SUP first requested, and you would see this before you again. 316 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:31,960 So, just to kind of help clarify that multifamily component confusion, that's not part of this 317 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:32,960 request. 318 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:39,000 It does allow for a variety of residential types, but multifamily is not one of them. 319 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,000 Happy to answer any questions. 320 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,000 Questions for Angie? 321 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:50,640 Angie, I know one thing that didn't make sense to me as I was reading the backup is it mentioned 322 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,880 11 students being proposed. 323 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,160 That seems really low. 324 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:56,160 Sure. 325 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,160 How did that number come about? 326 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:05,080 I do not have that math, but I did reach out to Argal ISD and let them know I had a project 327 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:11,240 that was within their boundaries and asked for an estimate based on the proposed R6 zoning 328 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,080 and the single-family development. 329 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:19,040 They provided me with their estimate for what they typically see in developments of this 330 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:25,760 type, and I was given the number 11 students were projected for the approximately 51 homes 331 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,400 that this development would generate. 332 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,600 That seems too low to me. 333 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:37,680 I mean, I could see it with the way a lot of homes are developed in this area, 11 being 334 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:44,360 one of them, because they were bigger lots and a lot less homes, but okay, I'll hold 335 00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:48,720 other questions because I think I saw Commissioner Pritz hand up. 336 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,080 Thank you, Chair. 337 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:56,400 So I made the mistake of going back and watching the three hours of the public hearing that 338 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:03,180 occurred back in 2019, not the mistake, but then being facetious here. 339 00:23:03,180 --> 00:23:08,040 It seemed to me that staff at that time, and I understand different staff, it's been five 340 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:14,880 years or four years, whatever the math works out to, it was suggested within that public 341 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:24,680 hearing that the community mixed-use future land use designation required some sort of 342 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:30,800 mixed-use zoning district that MN at that time was the least intensive that they thought 343 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,320 would comply with that. 344 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:39,400 Can you explain to me, just elaborate more why this is in conformance to the future land 345 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:44,280 use map and we're not seeking a change to the future land use map alongside this? 346 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:45,280 Sure. 347 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,660 Well, the community mixed-use, this has the future land use designation of neighborhood 348 00:23:49,660 --> 00:23:53,840 mixed-use, which is kind of the lens I viewed this under. 349 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:59,480 Community mixed-use, we kind of had this discussion with the PD a couple months ago where we see 350 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:05,320 it being more of a retail-centered district with residential as being the supporting component, 351 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:10,080 whereas the way neighborhood mixed-use breeds is that it's really intended for a variety 352 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:16,640 of neighborhoods in a different type of densities and product type, but where commercial is 353 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:17,840 appropriate. 354 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:24,320 The suburban corridor land use in this area, it's intended to be along major thoroughfares 355 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:30,560 with Brush Creek Road and US 377 both being primary arterials, it creates an ease of access 356 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:35,640 to serve the neighborhoods that you see developing around this area like Sage Brook, and then 357 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,920 I think it's Ridgecrest, which is a little bit further to the northwest. 358 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:44,640 So that was kind of some of how we got to this landing point. 359 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,160 Anything else? 360 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,480 Okay. 361 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,040 Any other questions? 362 00:24:52,040 --> 00:25:01,080 Yeah, I guess with Karina here, I'm sure you don't have the answer to this, but I'll ask 363 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,080 it anyway. 364 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,040 I mean, we are a long way from this looking like SC. 365 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:13,440 I mean, these roads right now, it's barely neighborhood with the way they're developed. 366 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:20,440 So what's a ballpark time frame in your estimate? 367 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,800 Sorry, I don't know that I fully caught the question. 368 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,920 What's the time frame for it? 369 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:31,280 For that intersection to be what it ... To be at ultimate conditions. 370 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,200 So I can sort of answer the question with the information I know on 377, which is a 371 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,200 textile roadway. 372 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:42,720 It is currently not even anywhere in any future roadway construction project. 373 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:50,480 So it's not anticipated to have any major construction on it to be at its ultimate capacity. 374 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:56,160 So with this development, there might be some mitigation needed when it does come in for 375 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:04,000 a development past the zoning stage, and that was anticipated in the TIA, but the extent 376 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,440 of that would be auxiliary lanes, which are your right and left turn lanes to serve the 377 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,440 site. 378 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:14,260 It wouldn't necessarily be to increase capacity of those roadways. 379 00:26:14,260 --> 00:26:21,280 With that said, Brush Creek is anticipated within the next, I'd say five to 10 years, 380 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,840 to be on a CIP project for the city of Denton. 381 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,160 In the next 10 years, you said? 382 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,520 I'm giving a rough kind of time frame because it obviously needs to go through a bond program 383 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:38,360 to be on a CIP, but the city does have plans because we do have projects further to the 384 00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:44,480 east for other phases of Brush Creek/Hickory Creek. 385 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:49,140 So these would be continuing phases of that project once we identify funding. 386 00:26:49,140 --> 00:26:56,560 So for the city, I say near-term is five to 10 years, for TechStat it's sort of an unknown. 387 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:01,800 In terms of this development specifically, I don't believe that there would be any perimeter 388 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:06,120 street improvements past right turn lanes that would be warranted. 389 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:09,640 I can go back to the TIA and look at that specifically, but I don't believe it's going 390 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,200 to be anything to that extent. 391 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,200 Okay. 392 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:13,200 I appreciate it. 393 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,200 Yep. 394 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,200 Taking my question. 395 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,200 Commissioner Perrett? 396 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,200 Sorry. 397 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,200 Transportation again. 398 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:27,280 My memory must be failing me, but I thought the extent of the Hickory Creek project that 399 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:35,080 had 2019 bond funding was riverside over to 377. 400 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,700 So it actually ends at Country Club, I believe. 401 00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:44,640 So further to the east is the terminus for the current CIP projects, and then the phases 402 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:49,920 that I'm talking about is actually from Country Club up to 377 and then extending further 403 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,920 through the Sagebrook development all the way to I-35. 404 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:58,480 Those two are future CIP projects that we anticipate, but don't yet have funding. 405 00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:59,480 Okay. 406 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:00,480 Thanks. 407 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:01,480 Yep. 408 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,480 I'll just kind of stay here just in case. 409 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,400 I don't see any other hands up. 410 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,200 Thank you, Karina. 411 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:14,360 Angie, just to the north of this, can you elaborate on those lots? 412 00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:16,560 Because I'm kind of looking at the zoning map right now. 413 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,760 I think I saw self-storage coming in somewhere. 414 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:21,760 Sure. 415 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:22,760 Let me just go... 416 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:23,760 Yeah. 417 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:24,760 That might help. 418 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:25,760 Yeah. 419 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,280 So there's a mix of land uses in zoning districts, both within the city and the ETJ, but directly 420 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:37,600 to the north is Residential 1, and I believe we can see it better on this aerial. 421 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:38,720 Sorry for jumping back and forth. 422 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,600 They do take access through that lot to some storage. 423 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:47,160 So you have Residential 1, which is here, and then you've got the MN to the north. 424 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:52,480 There is access to self-storage and I think some other kind of office warehouse type uses 425 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,880 that are situated within our ETJ, but they're not within the city limits. 426 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,720 So at this time, these lots are... 427 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:00,720 They're currently undeveloped. 428 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:01,720 Okay. 429 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:06,200 And on the subject property now is like an outbuilding in a residence? 430 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,200 Is that what I saw? 431 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,720 This driveway that you see right here is leading to a single-family residence, and then there's 432 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,720 a few little accessory structures. 433 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:19,200 There is a gas well that has been plugged near the center of the site, but it's largely 434 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,200 armed up. 435 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:26,360 I assume, yeah, the sellers of the land are they who are living on it, I assume. 436 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,380 I mean, that structure's going away. 437 00:29:28,380 --> 00:29:30,280 The structure's going away. 438 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,920 I don't know if it's currently owner-occupied or I don't have those details. 439 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:34,920 Okay. 440 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:35,920 Well, the applicant's here tonight, right? 441 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,200 Yes, the applicant will be here to speak on their behalf. 442 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,880 Yeah, I mean, what I'm struggling with is just with this request that we don't have 443 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:50,320 a lot of protection from what's already there, particularly that really nice rural space that's 444 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,020 just to the east of this. 445 00:29:54,020 --> 00:30:02,480 So trying to see how that kind of density would be and how that changes things for them, 446 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:09,080 those backyards on Kiowa there that are literally going to back to this development. 447 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,000 So I'm struggling a little bit there because we don't have any kind of protections in place 448 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,760 with this request. 449 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,560 And then as well, I'm struggling with the SC because again, I mean, we're far from suburban 450 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:24,240 corridor and gosh knows when we're ever going to get to anything on that corner that would 451 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:29,440 look like suburban corridor, and it concerns me that suburban corridor does allow multifamily. 452 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,240 I know with an SUP, but an SUP is not a way to zone land. 453 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:41,560 And so anyway, I'm just throwing my concerns out right now as I'm mulling through things. 454 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,160 Anybody else have any questions for Angie? 455 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,160 Okay. 456 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,160 Appreciate you. 457 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,160 Thank you. 458 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,320 We'll look forward to the fuller presentation at the meeting. 459 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,700 That is it on our agenda for this evening. 460 00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:55,000 So I will adjourn our work session at 6.01. 461 00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:07,240 We'll meet up in council chambers at 6.30. 462 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,200 Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission meeting for 463 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,760 Wednesday, June 28th, 2023. 464 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,040 With the quorum present, I will call us to order at 6.35 p.m. 465 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,440 Let the record show that Commissioner McDade is absent from tonight's meeting. 466 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,600 Next item on our agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance to the U.S. and Texas Flags. 467 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:34,800 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for 468 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:41,800 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 469 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:48,800 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for 470 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:49,800 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 471 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:50,800 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for 472 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:51,800 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 473 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:52,800 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for 474 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:53,800 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 475 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:54,800 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for 476 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:55,800 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 477 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:56,800 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for 478 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:57,800 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 479 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:58,800 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for 480 00:31:58,800 --> 00:31:59,800 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 481 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:00,800 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for 482 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:01,800 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 483 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:28,720 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for 484 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:52,920 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 485 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:22,840 will be not having a point of access off of I-35 and sticking with one point of access off of FM1173. 486 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:30,280 So here in providing your backup is the exhibit for the requested variance showing that currently 487 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,360 proposed. 488 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,760 Second point of access that would be off of I-35, again, the variance is to remove that 489 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:40,200 point of access and just allow this site to be served with the one off of FM1173. 490 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:46,520 The reason they are requesting this is because some construction plans for the I-35, that 491 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:56,920 area of I-35 shows that there is a proposed gore approximately 150 feet aligned just south 492 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:04,440 of that north eastern most corner of this property, where TXDOT's requirement for a 493 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:12,440 driveway spacing from that gore is 200 feet north of that point where that triangular 494 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,440 point that you see there, pointed on the side, that's the gore. 495 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,760 And so the minimum spacing requirement from that point is 200 feet to the north. 496 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,160 Obviously, you can see with the existing frontage, they wouldn't be able to meet that. 497 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,880 They only have 150 feet there. 498 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:31,480 And then another issue that they would run into as far as going south of the gore would 499 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:39,440 be the spacing between the intersection of FM1173 and I-35 needs to be a minimum of 425 500 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:40,440 feet. 501 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:45,920 There is a small typo in the AIS, it does say 495 feet, that correct, that is supposed 502 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,840 to be 425 feet. 503 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,800 It's also in the variance exhibit there, but I wanted to make that correction for the record. 504 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,920 It is 425 feet and that spacing would not work either, again, given the gore that's 505 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,640 going to be there and then the existing frontage just would not be able to accommodate the 506 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:08,000 drive that would meet those two requirements. 507 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:13,040 And so with that and the requested or with this being a variance request, subdivision 508 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,920 variance request, we did put it up against our criteria for approval in our subdivision, 509 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,400 I'm sorry, our DDC subchapter two. 510 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,920 And then specifically those items that I just stated, TxDOT's access management manual is 511 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,840 partially intended to provide guidelines to ensure safe and proper access management and 512 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:36,000 assist in protecting the public investment and transportation by preserving roadway efficiency 513 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,520 and enhancing traffic safety. 514 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,720 And so, of course, by having that second port of access or requiring that second port of 515 00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:46,920 access to be along I-35, they would be out of compliance with TxDOT standards which are 516 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,880 meant to implement, provide safety. 517 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,920 And so with that, staff is recommending approval of this request as it does comply with those 518 00:35:54,920 --> 00:36:00,480 criteria and at this time I will take any questions or concerns that you have. 519 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:01,480 Thank you, Mia. 520 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,280 Any questions for me at this time? 521 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,280 Okay. 522 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:05,360 I don't see any. 523 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:06,360 Thank you. 524 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,360 Okay. 525 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,360 Okay. 526 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,360 The chair. 527 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:10,360 Commissioner Smith. 528 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,360 I make a motion to approve. 529 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:12,360 I make a motion to approve. 530 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:13,360 Second. 531 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:14,360 Okay. 532 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:15,720 We've got a first and a second for approval. 533 00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:16,720 Is there any discussion? 534 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:17,720 Okay. 535 00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:28,100 Seeing none, let's vote on the board, please. 536 00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:29,600 That motion carries 6-0. 537 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,720 That'll move us to 3-B, FP230012. 538 00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:35,840 And Julie's making her way up for our presentation. 539 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:36,840 Hi, Julie. 540 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:37,840 Good evening. 541 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,480 Julie Wyatt, principal planner with the city. 542 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:46,280 Let me pull up the presentation. 543 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,760 All right. 544 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:49,760 Good evening. 545 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:50,760 Julie Wyatt. 546 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,120 This is FP230012. 547 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,280 It's a final plat for the next phase of the Agave Ranch development, which is a single 548 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:07,800 family residential development located on the northeast side of town, just east of FM428. 549 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,680 They do have some items that they need to correct per our development code and criteria 550 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,960 manual, so staff does recommend denial of the request. 551 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,440 However, we have no objection to the requested 30-day extension to July 19th. 552 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,600 I'll be happy to answer any questions. 553 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,080 Thank you, Julie. 554 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,160 I do not see any questions here on the board. 555 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,960 Thank you much. 556 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:29,960 Commissioner Smith. 557 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,360 I make a motion to approve the extension of date certain July 19th, 2023. 558 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:35,360 Commissioner Anderson. 559 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,360 Second. 560 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,920 So we've got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of 561 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,240 July 19th, 2023. 562 00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:45,240 Any discussion? 563 00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:46,240 Okay. 564 00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:54,480 Let's vote on the board, please. 565 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,120 That motion carries 6-0. 566 00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:03,120 That will take us to our next item, which is 3C, FP230010, and Julie will be presenting 567 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:12,560 that item as well. 568 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,560 This is FP230010. 569 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,540 This is also a final plat. 570 00:38:17,540 --> 00:38:25,760 It is for a property located on the northwest side of town, just south of FM1173. 571 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:31,400 The proposed use is an industrial type use, warehouse type use. 572 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,240 As with the previous plat, they do have some items that they need to correct in order for 573 00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:37,120 it to conform to the minimum standard. 574 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,480 So staff does recommend denial. 575 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:45,440 However, we have no objection to that requested extension to July 19th. 576 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:46,440 Thank you, Julie. 577 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,440 I do not see any questions. 578 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:48,440 Thanks. 579 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:49,440 Appreciate you. 580 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,120 Commissioner Villarreal. 581 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,200 Make a motion to approve the extension to a date certain of July 19th, 2023. 582 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,200 Thank you. 583 00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,200 Commissioner Cole. 584 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,200 Second. 585 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,040 We've got a first and a second to approve the extension request to a date certain of 586 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,520 July 19th, 2023. 587 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,040 Any discussion on that? 588 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,040 Okay. 589 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:18,080 Let's vote on the board, please. 590 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,280 That motion carries 6-0. 591 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,640 That will take us to our public hearing portion of the evening. 592 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:33,760 And first up, we have 4A, AESA 23-0001, and Christy is on her way to present that item. 593 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,120 Hi, Christy. 594 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,520 I will go ahead at this time and open the public hearing. 595 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:47,120 Thank you, Christy Upton, Environmental Compliance Coordinator, and I will be presenting an alternative 596 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:53,920 ESA plan for Hunter Ranch Phase 1. 597 00:39:53,920 --> 00:40:03,360 In summary, this is a request to fill in 0.14 acres of herbaceous wetlands to construct 598 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:10,360 two residential lots in exchange for the removal of this environmentally sensitive area. 599 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:19,800 The applicant is proposing to replace the wetlands with 0.23 acres of herbaceous wetlands 600 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:24,880 closer to a waterway, and staff recommends approval. 601 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:32,400 Really quickly, a background on this, Hunter Ranch is a master plan community, and with 602 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:38,720 that approval of the plan for this master plan community, Hunter Ranch started planning 603 00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:46,960 for Phase 1, and with the approval of the preliminary plot for Phase 1, staff had identified 604 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,400 a small herbaceous wetland of 0.14 acres. 605 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:52,400 It's an upland habitat. 606 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,600 I'll go into a little bit more detail in a second. 607 00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:04,440 And then Phase 1 is also currently, staff is currently reviewing the civil plans. 608 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:12,440 This herbaceous wetland was likely developed from a stockpond that has been on the property 609 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:17,400 for some time, and is of low quality. 610 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,240 It has very few different types of plants in it. 611 00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:28,680 We call it species richness, but it does have wetland qualities to it, the soils, the vegetation 612 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:33,560 meet those criteria of a wetland. 613 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:42,000 The wetland does overflow to this Roark branch, which it traverses the property from south 614 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:50,740 to north, and the Roark branch eventually meets up with Hickory Creek to the north. 615 00:41:50,740 --> 00:41:58,800 The remainder of the environmentally sensitive areas on the property serve a purpose of protecting 616 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,040 the waterway. 617 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:11,080 The project is to remove this wetland and to fill it in to be able to construct two residential 618 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:12,160 lots. 619 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:17,720 What will happen when these residential lots are constructed is that it will end up isolating 620 00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:25,520 the wetland from hydrologically receiving water in order to support that vegetation. 621 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:32,480 Essentially, even if the residential lots were not built, that isolated wetland become 622 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,860 even more isolated, even more degradated, and probably wouldn't be a wetland in the 623 00:42:36,860 --> 00:42:38,680 long term. 624 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:43,000 The better solution is to relocate the wetland. 625 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:49,440 In this location that they have chosen, it will both be receiving flow from this pond 626 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:58,560 that they will be constructing, as well as it will be intercepting flow from the residential 627 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,640 neighborhood in the future. 628 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:11,600 The plan is to excavate the soils to create a basin, and then before they fill in the 629 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:18,840 current wetland, they will be scraping the roots and the seed stock and the soils from 630 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:23,880 the wetland and transplanting them to this new location. 631 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:35,040 In addition to that, they will be supplementing the effort with a greater species richness, 632 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:40,880 introducing new species that are native and adaptive to these wetlands. 633 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:46,960 Finally, the plan is to achieve a 60% vegetative cover. 634 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:54,840 That 60% vegetative cover is because you expect the bottoms of the wetland to remain wet for 635 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:59,760 periods of time, which then doesn't support for the vegetation to be able to grow in those 636 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,000 wet areas very well. 637 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:09,240 You're really expecting the vegetation to be at the perimeter of the pond. 638 00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:15,200 Notifications were sent out, and staff received no responses. 639 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:22,120 As some notification was, the direct mailers were to the Hunter Ranch property, and Hunter 640 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:29,160 Ranch recognizing that they're our neighbors, they went and had informal meetings with those 641 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,800 neighbors to explain the project. 642 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:39,440 I did receive some inquiries from residents passing by and seeing the signs, but we did 643 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,800 not receive any responses. 644 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:48,760 Staff is recommending approval with the conditions that were in your backup, with one minor 645 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:56,080 revision a typo in the percentage of vegetative cover. 646 00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:03,520 There were some questions at the work session about projects like this before, and so chatting 647 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:10,840 with the environmental scientists, she's explained that Peloton Land Solutions, who is the consultant 648 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,040 doing this work, has worked on projects like this before. 649 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:22,680 However, they have identified that the Corps of Engineers is the one that typically they 650 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:29,560 are doing this type of project with, but the Corps of Engineers prefers mitigation banking, 651 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:37,440 and the mitigation banks, those property owners, are then doing this type of project on a larger 652 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,080 scale. 653 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:45,040 She's also said that creating these wetlands is more effective than trying to create other 654 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:54,040 ecological systems, and that this project being designed to have that direct hydrological 655 00:45:54,040 --> 00:46:00,000 flow is going to really be helpful. 656 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:05,600 She also wanted to emphasize that in addition to the seed stock that I mentioned earlier, 657 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:11,920 there's also the wetland soils, so the bacteria and organisms that are in those soils, and 658 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:20,960 the chemical makeup of those soils will really help the new vegetation really take off, and 659 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:25,280 the wildlife to take off, and that's about the summary of it. 660 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,280 Great. 661 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,560 With that, I'll take any other questions. 662 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,200 Any questions for Christy? 663 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,120 Commissioner Smith, I'll ask you, I know that was your question in work session, just making 664 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,160 sure that you got your questions answered. 665 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:44,920 I think the answer helps out, especially saying that the USACOE says that this is the secondary 666 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:50,040 preferred type, but honestly, mitigation banking is not going to work in this scenario. 667 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:56,640 I think that being reintroduced to a new hydrology area as well, the environmental scientist 668 00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,940 that's working on this has done this type of project before, gives me more comfort. 669 00:46:59,940 --> 00:47:00,940 Thank you. 670 00:47:00,940 --> 00:47:01,940 Great. 671 00:47:01,940 --> 00:47:02,940 Thank you, Commissioner Smith. 672 00:47:02,940 --> 00:47:05,960 I don't see any other questions, Christy, thank you. 673 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:06,960 This is a public hearing. 674 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,600 I don't have any cards in front of me for this item. 675 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:14,680 Is there anyone wishing to speak on this item? 676 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:19,280 Seeing none, I will close the public hearing and open the floor for discussion or a motion. 677 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:20,280 Commissioner Smith? 678 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:21,800 I make a motion to approve. 679 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:22,800 Commissioner Pruitt? 680 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:23,800 Second. 681 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:24,800 Okay. 682 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,600 We've got a first and a second for approval as presented. 683 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,720 Any discussion? 684 00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:44,000 Okay, seeing none, let's go ahead and vote on the board, please. 685 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,720 That motion carries 5-0. 686 00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:50,280 We'll give a moment for Commissioner Cole to return as he had to recuse himself from 687 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:51,280 that. 688 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:52,760 There he is. 689 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:53,760 Okay. 690 00:47:53,760 --> 00:48:02,360 We'll go ahead and move to our next public hearing item, which is 4B, Z220022, and Angie 691 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,480 is here for presentation. 692 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:05,480 Good evening. 693 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:06,480 Hi. 694 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,080 Good evening, Chair and members of the commission. 695 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:12,000 Before you begin, I'm going to go ahead and open the public hearing. 696 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,000 Thank you. 697 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,160 I'll pull up my presentation real quick. 698 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:16,160 Okay. 699 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,000 Angie Maglaris, Senior Planner, City of Denton. 700 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,640 This is Z220022. 701 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:26,640 It is a rezoning case for Brush Creek Residential and Commercial. 702 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,080 A little bit of background on this case. 703 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:33,600 This is a request to rezone approximately 18 acres of land situated at the northeast 704 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:40,040 corner of US 377 and Brush Creek Road from Rural Residential and Residential 1 to Residential 705 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,080 6 and Suburban Corridor. 706 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:49,280 The breakdown of that is approximately 15.7 acres of the total subject area is being requested 707 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:54,880 to be rezoned to R6 with the intent to develop as future single-family residential. 708 00:48:54,880 --> 00:49:00,120 The remaining 2.7 acres situated at the hard corner is being proposed to be rezoned to 709 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,360 Suburban Corridor, or SC, for future commercial development. 710 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:09,200 As stated, this is located at the northeast corner of Brush Creek Road and US 377, both 711 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:13,520 of which are designated as primary arterials on our mobility plan. 712 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:18,440 It does have a future land use designation of neighborhood mixed use in the Denton 2040 713 00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,120 comprehensive plan. 714 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:25,160 As it is today, the site is predominantly undeveloped open pasture. 715 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,160 There is a residential home on the site that does have some supporting accessory structures 716 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:33,280 along with it, and there's a plugged gas well towards the middle of the site. 717 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:39,000 There's a variety of residential zoning districts in different types of densities, both within 718 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,400 the city and in the ETJ surrounding the subject property. 719 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:49,200 There's also some undeveloped parcels to the north-northwest, as well as some smaller commercial 720 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:54,480 structures in the ETJ area surrounding the subject property. 721 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:59,360 When reviewing the request, staff did compare it to the 2040 comprehensive plan and found 722 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:05,080 that the request to rezone to R6 and SC is consistent with the designation of neighborhood 723 00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:06,600 mixed use. 724 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:11,560 Neighborhood mixed use is predominantly intended to apply to residential areas, but does recognize 725 00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:16,260 that local serving retail and service uses are appropriate and critical to achieving 726 00:50:16,260 --> 00:50:17,980 balanced neighborhoods. 727 00:50:17,980 --> 00:50:21,920 The proposed zoning districts are intended to accommodate a variety of residential housing 728 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:27,200 types, as well as facilitate commercial development at a scale that will be compatible with those 729 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,320 neighborhood developments. 730 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:34,720 The most eastern portion of the site is a transition area where you have some ETJ out 731 00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:40,520 to the east in larger lots, and the site transitions from that larger lot, rural residential style 732 00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:46,240 towards the more intensive residential uses that we're starting to see along the US 377 733 00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:49,360 corridor as that area develops. 734 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:54,200 In addition to that, this development is consistent with the housing and neighborhood goals that 735 00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,960 the comprehensive plan calls for, which calls to develop and maintain a housing stock that 736 00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:04,560 meets all needs of our residents in a variety of choices, types, costs, and locations throughout 737 00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,220 the city. 738 00:51:07,220 --> 00:51:12,220 Staff is recommending approval of this request in reviewing it against the general criteria 739 00:51:12,220 --> 00:51:15,960 for approval, as well as our criteria for zoning approval. 740 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:20,600 Staff does find that this is consistent with the goals of the comprehensive plan, as well 741 00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,080 as the DDC. 742 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:30,500 Specifically, the proposed zoning to residential six permits a development of residential styles 743 00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:35,000 and a variety of price points that could create greater housing diversity in the area, while 744 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:41,760 the SC proposed rezoning would allow for neighborhood serving commercial, which will be critical 745 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:46,720 to serving those neighborhoods out in that region as the US 377 corridor continues to 746 00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:53,980 develop with developments in the region like Sagebrook that are starting to be under construction. 747 00:51:53,980 --> 00:51:58,480 Any development that would be approved is required to meet all the requirements of the 748 00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:07,040 DDC and any, I'm sorry, I just totally lost my train of thought there, but the development 749 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:14,280 would have to meet all the requirements of the DDC as per any project in the city. 750 00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,640 Just to give you a little bit of background on the traffic impact analysis, there was 751 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,840 a traffic impact analysis that was submitted and approved by our city staff. 752 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:27,280 It contemplated up to 51 dwelling units, as well as approximately 2,500 square feet of 753 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,180 commercial development. 754 00:52:29,180 --> 00:52:35,240 The TIA did make several recommendations, including a southbound left-hand turn lane 755 00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:41,280 at US 377 in the most northern driveway, which I'll point out is right here, and that would 756 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:46,240 come at the time of the residential development portion of this project. 757 00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:51,900 For the future commercial, the TIA made several recommendations, including a southbound left-hand 758 00:52:51,900 --> 00:52:58,280 turn lane and a westbound right-hand turn lane to be installed on US 377, as well as 759 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:03,120 a southbound left-hand turn lane and a westbound right-hand turn lane installed at the Brush 760 00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:08,240 Creek intersection. 761 00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:14,480 Staff did notify in accordance with both state law and the Denton Development Code. 762 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,040 You can see the buffer area here. 763 00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:20,400 We did not receive any responses within our city limit notification boundary. 764 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:25,100 However, as you'll see in your backup, we did receive approximately 50 emails from residents 765 00:53:25,100 --> 00:53:27,160 residing in the ETJ. 766 00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:32,280 The applicant did hold three neighborhood meetings in advance of this public hearing. 767 00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,680 Staff is forwarding this to you this evening with a recommendation of approval, as it does 768 00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:40,440 meet both our general criteria for approval and our criteria for approval for zoning cases. 769 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,920 The next step in this project will be a public hearing at City Council, which is scheduled 770 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,040 for July 18th. 771 00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:47,840 I'm happy to answer any questions you may have. 772 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,960 The applicant is also here with a brief presentation. 773 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:52,960 Commissioner Smith. 774 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:53,960 Thank you, Chair. 775 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,120 Angie, you said it in the work session, but you didn't mention it now. 776 00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:00,360 Can you talk about capability of multifamily on this property? 777 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:01,360 Yes. 778 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,160 Thank you for reminding me. 779 00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:07,640 The requested rezonings are to SC and R6. 780 00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,800 Neither of those proposed rezoning districts or those zoning districts would allow for 781 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,080 multifamily development by right. 782 00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:20,200 R6 does allow for a variety of housing types, which includes detached single family, duplexes, 783 00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,160 townhomes and triplexes. 784 00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:28,160 SC contemplates multifamily being appropriate with the approval of a specific use permit. 785 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,720 So if later down the line, if somebody wanted to apply for a multifamily development on 786 00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:37,000 those 2.7 acres, we would be in a process much similar to this where a public hearing 787 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,160 would have to be held. 788 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,160 Great. 789 00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:40,160 Thank you, Angie. 790 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,160 Thank you. 791 00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:45,200 I don't see any other questions at this time. 792 00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,320 I've got several cards in front of me. 793 00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:48,920 The first one being the applicant. 794 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:54,160 So I'll go ahead and invite him down for presentation. 795 00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:55,600 He'll state your name and address. 796 00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:56,600 Your time will begin. 797 00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:57,600 Good evening. 798 00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:58,600 Absolutely. 799 00:54:58,600 --> 00:54:59,600 Good evening, everyone. 800 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,160 My name is Omar Awais. 801 00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:08,120 Address is 5225 Los Colinas Boulevard, Irving, Texas, 75039. 802 00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:09,360 So my name is Omar Awais. 803 00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:13,760 I own a family development business called Red Rock Communities. 804 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:18,200 We were hired by the owner of this property to help him develop out the property. 805 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,640 As you all know, there was some history with this property. 806 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:25,160 I believe the applicant tried to, the owner tried to get it rezoned to multifamily a few 807 00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:26,520 years ago. 808 00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:30,080 That was not seen very favorably by residents in the area. 809 00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:34,540 He wanted some help from somebody that does a lot of single family developments to potentially 810 00:55:34,540 --> 00:55:36,640 do a single family development here. 811 00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,360 So I'll tell you a little bit about me and my company. 812 00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:44,300 We primarily focus on single family projects around the DFW Metroplex. 813 00:55:44,300 --> 00:55:47,800 Most of our projects have been closer to this area, a little bit east of here. 814 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:52,240 If you know where Bartonville is, we developed 170 acres over there right behind Marty B's 815 00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:55,920 and right around the corner of where that tractor supply is. 816 00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,160 Our primary kind of focus for our company is luxury. 817 00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:00,840 We do everything kind of luxury. 818 00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,080 We haven't done very much production homes, entry level homes. 819 00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:09,560 So everything we typically have done has been in the, I'd say, $800,000 plus range for homes 820 00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,080 and developments. 821 00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,760 We've partnered with a lot of builders over the years. 822 00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:14,960 We've partnered with Toll Brothers. 823 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,640 We've partnered with a lot of custom builders, Pentevia Custom Homes, Lingenfelter Custom 824 00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,400 Homes, and a few others. 825 00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:26,720 The reason why this owner reached out to us is because he feels like this more luxury 826 00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:30,960 kind of look to this development would probably be ideal here. 827 00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:35,240 So we've kind of done the land plan in a way and the landscape package that we've selected 828 00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:40,200 and some of the monumentation that we're working through has all been to target more of a kind 829 00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,320 of a luxury look for the neighborhood. 830 00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:47,240 I understand 50 foot lots, it's kind of hard to visualize what a luxury kind of feel and 831 00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:48,240 look would look like. 832 00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:51,040 But there's several of those neighborhoods up in Frisco and a few others. 833 00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:55,600 So we want to make sure it's luxury, but at the same time, it's also a sellable product 834 00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:56,600 kind of within the area. 835 00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,720 So that's what we're working towards. 836 00:56:59,720 --> 00:57:05,320 We held three neighborhood meetings, we tried to be the first two, we sent it out to everybody 837 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,520 that was within the buffer, but I don't think there was a lot of people within that buffer 838 00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,040 so not many people showed up to the first two. 839 00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:17,240 The last one we sent out, we actually reached out to the Hills of Argyle HOA and we sent 840 00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,840 them the notice and they notified their residents. 841 00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,020 And so we had a few more people show up to the third one. 842 00:57:23,020 --> 00:57:24,920 We kind of went through the project with them. 843 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:29,320 I know there's a lot of concern from the neighboring property and from the neighbors. 844 00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,520 So we tried to answer as much as we could. 845 00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,520 You know, one thing I kind of pride myself on and the company that we work for is we're 846 00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,000 very honest and straightforward about things. 847 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,960 If there's things that we can do that's within reason that we can kind of do to help this 848 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:49,880 be more of an easy project for people to swallow landscape packages, fencing, a better look, 849 00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,680 we're open to all of that and we're happy to work with the residents. 850 00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:57,840 Density, we tried to do this with 60 foot lots and 70 foot lots. 851 00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,400 The numbers just don't work out based off of the purchase price and based off of kind 852 00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,040 of the economics around it. 853 00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:07,280 50 foot lots is kind of the best that we can really do on this property. 854 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:12,280 So we're hoping that you all kind of see that we're doing the best that we can and making 855 00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,840 this a nice community. 856 00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:19,040 The owner did, we did talk over the last few weeks, he's given me full authority to be 857 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,720 able to make decisions on his behalf here and be able to answer as many questions as 858 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,340 I can. 859 00:58:24,340 --> 00:58:28,400 In regards to the commercial piece on the corner, right now there's no plans at all 860 00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,640 in terms of what he would put there but it would be a neighborhood service of some kind 861 00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:36,120 but he's not going to be building any kind of spec'd out commercial property. 862 00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,960 It would be based off of what the need is in there. 863 00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,400 Right now though he's ready to move forward with a single family piece of the development 864 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:46,520 if we're able to get that rezoned so we'll go straight to design plans and be able to 865 00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,080 go break ground. 866 00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:52,280 We're going to be, my company's going to be responsible to take the project through entitlements, 867 00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:57,020 through construction and delivery of the lots to a builder and I'm also responsible for 868 00:58:57,020 --> 00:58:59,760 picking the builders that we can bring into this neighborhood. 869 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,760 We have not selected who those builders are, we were in conversations with a few different 870 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,840 builders out there but we have not made that selection yet but obviously we would want 871 00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:12,160 to keep it under the typical branding that we would normally do which is something on 872 00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:13,160 the higher end side. 873 00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,040 I just don't know what that is just yet. 874 00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:20,680 It's really all I had but I'm happy to answer any questions to the best of my ability. 875 00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,280 Okay, thank you, we do have a question. 876 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:24,280 Commissioner Smith. 877 00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:25,280 Thank you Chair. 878 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:30,520 The, Sid mentioned that right now it was before the single family residential section. 879 00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:37,160 The commercial section then will he, if the zoning moves through, after that single family 880 00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:42,480 residential part begins, will the commercial section of that land still be owned by the 881 00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:46,200 owner or will that be transferred off to another entity at that point in time? 882 00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:47,720 No, at this point it will remain with the owner. 883 00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:48,720 Okay. 884 00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:49,720 Yeah, he's not planning on selling that. 885 00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:50,720 Okay. 886 00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:51,720 Yeah, he's not told me he wants to sell it. 887 00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:56,120 He wouldn't sell it until, until, locates, locates a commercial use, a commercial, some 888 00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:57,120 sort of commercial developer. 889 00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:58,120 Like a built to suit. 890 00:59:58,120 --> 00:59:59,120 Correct. 891 00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:00,120 Yeah. 892 01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:01,120 For that purpose. 893 01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:02,120 Okay. 894 01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:03,120 That's correct. 895 01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:04,120 I should. 896 01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:05,120 Yeah. 897 01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:06,120 And typically with these commercial developments they want to have the residential completed 898 01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,320 and built out to have, to generate the needs and demand for, for that so I'm, I'm assuming 899 01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:13,080 he would want to wait until houses are built, people are moved in before you can really 900 01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:14,080 capture the value there. 901 01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:15,080 I should. 902 01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:20,540 Any other questions for the applicant at this time? 903 01:00:20,540 --> 01:00:25,360 I guess you can't tell us what builders you're talking to at this point. 904 01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:26,360 They wouldn't want me to. 905 01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:27,360 Sure. 906 01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:28,360 We're still. 907 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:29,360 Understood. 908 01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:30,360 And the reason, it's not that I want to hide anything. 909 01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,120 Typically how these things work is I've got to get the cost estimate completed, figure 910 01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,800 out what the lot values are, have those conversations and see which works. 911 01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:40,360 If I, if I throw a name of a builder out I'd be lying to you that we have something done. 912 01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:41,360 I just don't know yet. 913 01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:42,360 Okay. 914 01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:47,320 So what I do know is the builders that I do business with are typically higher end builders. 915 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:51,400 That's what I'm trying to get completed for this community and you wouldn't be able to 916 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,480 get like a starter level home here. 917 01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,120 It would need to be something a little bit nicer than that to kind of, to kind of make 918 01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:57,120 it work. 919 01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,600 And you're envisioning how many dwelling units? 920 01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:04,080 52 I believe is the number that we have on the land plan. 921 01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,920 It might be 51 or 52. 922 01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,640 I'm not planning on changing the land plan. 923 01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:13,080 I know we're just talking zoning today, but the land plan that we've done that the city's 924 01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,240 looked at, that we've evaluated, we're not planning on changing from that. 925 01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:21,800 We're probably going to go straight to construction plans right after this. 926 01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:28,840 Did you ever think about, cause this is such a unique space in the city with, you know, 927 01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:36,560 the ETJ, the city of Argyle meets the city of Denton, really a rural corner at this point. 928 01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:40,840 Did you consider planning this out any better than it has already been done? 929 01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:45,440 Can you explain what you mean by planning better? 930 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:51,960 Basically have it, have more of a plan development in mind to be able to put restrictions in 931 01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:52,960 place and whatnot. 932 01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:58,200 Oh, so you mean in terms of like CCNRs and deed restrictions and are you talking about 933 01:01:58,200 --> 01:01:59,200 that? 934 01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:04,360 Not that so much, but yeah, instead of a straight zoning case, which is kind of, we're not quite 935 01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:05,600 sure where it's going to go. 936 01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,340 We're not quite sure who the builder is going to be. 937 01:02:07,340 --> 01:02:10,760 We're not quite sure what's going to be built on this. 938 01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,260 I mean, it's just, it's just a zoning change. 939 01:02:13,260 --> 01:02:16,600 So it's, it's nothing against you and your company. 940 01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:22,760 But what I'm saying is there's nothing to, to secure what you're telling us tonight. 941 01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:24,320 That's just not how a zoning change works. 942 01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:25,320 Yeah. 943 01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:32,320 Look, I understand in a plan development, you would have a lot more things ironed out. 944 01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:38,800 You know, we feel that with the density that's going to be there, it's, it's not extremely 945 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:39,800 dense. 946 01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,680 The items that you're talking about from a plan development standpoint would have, it's 947 01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,360 pretty much what CCNRs would have as part of the HOA documents in terms of finish out 948 01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,680 for the houses, what builders you would have. 949 01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:51,960 We could go that route. 950 01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:56,760 That route probably takes a lot longer to get through and get all that stuff ironed 951 01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:57,760 out. 952 01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:02,120 The owner wants to move forward with the development as quickly as he possibly can. 953 01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:08,200 And the types of houses that are going to be going in to be competitive, they have to 954 01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,680 be at a certain level to be able to sell in this market. 955 01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:15,680 There's right across the 377, there's a bunch of houses going up in there and there has 956 01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:19,720 to be some sort of differentiation from, from that development that's across the street. 957 01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:24,520 And that's the kind of the idea here is, is going more of the luxury route. 958 01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:28,240 You won't be competing with the people across the street and at the same time, it'll look 959 01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:32,000 nicer for kind of the houses that are kind of surrounding. 960 01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:36,020 So, but yeah, I mean, in terms of doing planned developments, you typically have different 961 01:03:36,020 --> 01:03:37,780 sized lots and all that. 962 01:03:37,780 --> 01:03:41,920 We really had to have the 50-ish lots in there to make this work. 963 01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:46,520 So that's kind of the route that we selected here. 964 01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:51,840 My other concern, I don't know if you heard our work session, was 11 students generated 965 01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:52,840 from this. 966 01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:53,840 Seems really low to me. 967 01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:54,840 11? 968 01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:55,840 I'm sorry? 969 01:03:55,840 --> 01:04:01,800 11 students is what the school district said this neighborhood would generate. 970 01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,680 Did you talk, you did, I assume you didn't talk to Argyle ISD at all? 971 01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,440 No, I did not have a conversation with Argyle ISD. 972 01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:08,440 Okay. 973 01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:09,440 Okay. 974 01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:13,040 That was, that was my question at work session that just, in our information, that's what 975 01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:14,400 they said this would generate. 976 01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,320 It seems really low to me. 977 01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,960 Yeah, I didn't come up with that. 978 01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:20,960 Right. 979 01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:21,960 Yeah. 980 01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:22,960 That's fine. 981 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:23,960 Okay. 982 01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,720 I think that's all the questions I've got, but we will have you on the back burner as 983 01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,960 we go through the public hearing if we need to call you back up. 984 01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:29,960 Okay. 985 01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:30,960 Okay. 986 01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:31,960 Thank you. 987 01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:36,920 I do have several cards in front of me, so we'll get to those right now. 988 01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:38,320 Wishing to speak. 989 01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,800 First one I have is Jacqueline Wendell. 990 01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:54,440 If you'll make your way to the podium, give your name and address and your time will begin. 991 01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:55,440 Good evening. 992 01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:56,440 Hello there. 993 01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:57,440 Public speaking is not my favorite. 994 01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:58,440 I'm going to do my best. 995 01:04:58,440 --> 01:04:59,440 That's okay. 996 01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:00,440 My name is Jacqueline Wendell. 997 01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:07,920 I live on Kiowa Trail, which is directly behind the property of interest. 998 01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,360 Like y'all know, we went through this a couple years ago. 999 01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:14,720 This is definitely an emotional thing for all of us who live on the street. 1000 01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:20,000 We moved out to Argyle to be away from the Frisco type neighborhoods that he mentioned 1001 01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,380 earlier. 1002 01:05:22,380 --> 01:05:27,480 I felt like the picture didn't truly display what the neighborhood itself is going to look 1003 01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:32,320 like, but my property is about 60 yards wide, and it's pretty narrow. 1004 01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,940 I'm going to have two and a half houses behind my property. 1005 01:05:35,940 --> 01:05:37,640 To me, that's insane. 1006 01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:43,100 I don't even know how these houses are going to fit on these properties, but we're in a 1007 01:05:43,100 --> 01:05:48,960 position right now where we don't know for sure that even this is going to happen, that 1008 01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:53,040 the plan that they have in place is actually going to be carried out, like you mentioned 1009 01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:59,000 with the R6, multifamily homes, the duplexes, triplexes, all of that, and that for one is 1010 01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,320 another thing that really concerns me. 1011 01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:05,040 If this does get approved, we don't want that. 1012 01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,080 We've got land animals behind us. 1013 01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:08,080 We've got goats. 1014 01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:09,080 We have a donkey. 1015 01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:10,080 We have chickens. 1016 01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,240 We use these animals to make money. 1017 01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:17,160 We're concerned about construction, which we all knew this, that this was going to happen. 1018 01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:20,400 This land is going to be developed, and that's fine. 1019 01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:27,720 If this does go through, one thing that we were requesting, or really demanding, is that 1020 01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:31,560 there is some type of barrier or wall that's put up behind our properties. 1021 01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:36,400 One for the construction, noise, the dust, again, it's going to affect our animals. 1022 01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:37,400 We all have children. 1023 01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:43,960 We've got pools, and so I think it's a courtesy for them to put something up to block us from 1024 01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:48,560 some of those things that will come with the construction side of it, and two, again, we 1025 01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:53,480 moved out here to have privacy and to have space, and so to have two and a half families 1026 01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:58,640 looking over our property and potentially interacting is not something that we were interested 1027 01:06:58,640 --> 01:06:59,640 in. 1028 01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:11,480 I guess in terms of assurances that, again, if this does get approved, it'd be nice to 1029 01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:16,000 have something from the developer saying, "Yes, we are going to stick by this plan," 1030 01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:22,960 or "Is there another zoning change that could be requested that would limit what they could 1031 01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:28,600 do in terms of those duplexes and that sort of thing to make sure we're not in a situation 1032 01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,680 where that actually happens?" 1033 01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:35,840 I didn't mention this, but this is kind of concerning to me because when this did, again, 1034 01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:39,800 go happen a couple years ago, we had a huge turnout, and I know you all probably remember 1035 01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,680 we were here for like three hours. 1036 01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:48,440 We were sent two different letters from the developer saying that we were going to have 1037 01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:52,040 the P&Z meeting either on this date or this date. 1038 01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:53,320 The first letter never happened. 1039 01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:57,200 We got a second letter maybe in May or something that, again, said the meeting will happen 1040 01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:58,480 on this date or this date. 1041 01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:02,960 We will notify you as required by state law when the actual date would be. 1042 01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:08,200 None of us on the street received any notification, and so I'm concerned because I feel like there 1043 01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:12,400 would be a lot more people here had we actually received that notification. 1044 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:17,120 I found out on Facebook, somebody in the Argal page had posted something saying, "Oh, by 1045 01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,480 the way, tomorrow is this meeting. 1046 01:08:19,480 --> 01:08:24,160 If you can go, go," but to find out last minute like that definitely is going to put a damper 1047 01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,600 on how many people actually can make it. 1048 01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:31,360 I don't feel like this is a fair representation of the community, and I don't know if you 1049 01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:36,480 all ended up making a decision on this today or some other time, but I don't know if it's 1050 01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:41,760 possible to postpone decision making and hopefully allow for more people to actually put their 1051 01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,880 say into what they think should happen. 1052 01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:49,560 I know I'm almost out of time. 1053 01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:53,920 One other thing, I don't know if the developer has any type of property value impact projection 1054 01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:58,320 study, if there's something like that that he could share with us regarding some of the 1055 01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:01,760 other things that he's done in the past and how this will affect our property value. 1056 01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:06,240 I'm guessing it will be lowering it, and then two, knowing what the houses are going to 1057 01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:08,800 look like I think would also make a big difference. 1058 01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:12,920 Thank you, Ms. Wendell, for speaking. 1059 01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:13,920 Appreciate it. 1060 01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:15,880 Angie, can I invite you up here? 1061 01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:22,720 I just want to have you address her concern with notifications. 1062 01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:26,120 State law requires us, obviously, to send out notification. 1063 01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:31,000 I'm assuming the reason they did not receive notification is because they are outside the 1064 01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:32,000 city limits. 1065 01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:33,000 Is that correct? 1066 01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:34,000 That's correct. 1067 01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:39,040 We sent notifications in accordance with state law to property owners in the city limits 1068 01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:47,360 within 200 feet, and then we sent courtesy postcards to residents within 500 feet. 1069 01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:52,000 If they're not in the city limits, they would be missed by that notification. 1070 01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:53,000 That equaled how many? 1071 01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:54,000 I forgot that number. 1072 01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,960 Do you remember how many postcards you actually sent out? 1073 01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:57,960 I'm sorry. 1074 01:09:57,960 --> 01:09:58,960 Did you say the email count? 1075 01:09:58,960 --> 01:09:59,960 No. 1076 01:09:59,960 --> 01:10:00,960 How many postcards you actually sent out? 1077 01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:07,520 It was about 11, because keep in mind, some of these in Sagebrook are not developed yet, 1078 01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,040 so there's nobody there to send them to. 1079 01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:11,040 Yeah. 1080 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:12,040 Okay. 1081 01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:13,040 Appreciate that. 1082 01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:14,040 Thanks. 1083 01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:15,040 Thank you. 1084 01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:18,880 Next card I have is Garth Blackburn. 1085 01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:23,880 If you'll state your name and address, your time will begin. 1086 01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:24,880 Good evening. 1087 01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:25,880 Good evening. 1088 01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:26,880 My name is Garth Blackburn. 1089 01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:32,600 We're at 900 Brush Creek, so we are the first adjoining property. 1090 01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:37,160 To support that cause, I understand that it's state law in terms of notification, but when 1091 01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:40,040 this happened previously, we were notified. 1092 01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:41,760 We're the most impacted property. 1093 01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:45,120 We have the longest stretch that's shared. 1094 01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:50,560 Also previously, and I know it's not state law anymore, but the hearing or city council 1095 01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:54,640 meeting was noted with a date and time on the sign, which was not noted this time. 1096 01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:59,080 I know it's not required, but you would think if y'all want community support, that you 1097 01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:02,600 would actually try and get as much of the community and the surrounding area to come, 1098 01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:06,120 so that would be a first component. 1099 01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:11,320 Next would be the development side, and I'm going to give a backhanded compliment to Omar. 1100 01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,560 His developments I'm very familiar with, and they're incredible. 1101 01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,240 He does a great job. 1102 01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,280 They're nothing like this. 1103 01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:23,520 What he cited from behind Marty B's, beautiful, multi-million dollar homes. 1104 01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:25,640 That's not what this is going to be. 1105 01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:32,600 We're going from these one, two plus acre lots to these incredibly small houses. 1106 01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:34,440 It's going to change everything. 1107 01:11:34,440 --> 01:11:38,800 Angie had mentioned as you go further east, and Angie's been super helpful in all of our 1108 01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:39,800 meetings. 1109 01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:40,800 I just want to point that out. 1110 01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:44,680 As you go further east and it's stuff that's more similar to this, it's not. 1111 01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:52,760 Maybe once you cross 1830 and go into near the Teasley area, sure, that's not this corridor. 1112 01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:53,760 There's not another development. 1113 01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:57,400 If you had a development that would be east on Brush Creek, it'd be Hills of Argyle. 1114 01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:02,400 If you look at the size of the lots, price of the houses, those are completely different. 1115 01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:08,200 Also do want to point out, again, an Omar's favor on how well he's done on developments 1116 01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:11,880 has been incredible, but he doesn't have ownership in this. 1117 01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:17,040 At the end of the day, your concern is our concern, which is once they get it rezoned, 1118 01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:20,000 they can just say, "Peace out," and it can be done. 1119 01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:23,920 Who knows who's going to take it over and put in townhomes through the whole thing? 1120 01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,520 There's no requirement for a minimum. 1121 01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:28,000 There's nothing. 1122 01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:32,160 It's almost like this free for all just to get it rezoned. 1123 01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:37,240 In fact, until tonight, I didn't know that they had an option to spend more time, which 1124 01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:41,080 they've had years to develop whatever they wanted to. 1125 01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:46,320 If there was an option to develop some master plan that I wasn't aware of until tonight, 1126 01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:51,320 why didn't that start two and a half, three years ago when this was initially declined 1127 01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:54,120 and now suddenly the owner wants to have something fast? 1128 01:12:54,120 --> 01:13:01,160 Omar referred to that twice and not in offense to him at all, but in offense to the owner. 1129 01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:06,160 Why does this need to happen so fast without us having a chance to voice our opinions as 1130 01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:11,820 a community, but also for you all to assess, how is this going to impact Denton? 1131 01:13:11,820 --> 01:13:15,600 How is it going to impact the surrounding area of Argyle where unincorporated? 1132 01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,600 It's going to affect all of us. 1133 01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:22,940 My biggest concerns are that there's no true ownership in this property. 1134 01:13:22,940 --> 01:13:26,640 It's just let's get it rezoned and we'll deal with it from there. 1135 01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:31,680 If you look at the lots, I mean, if you're comparing somebody's driving down the street 1136 01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:36,600 and they turn left off 377 as they're going northbound on Bonnie Bray and the houses are 1137 01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:42,000 being listed at 330,000, the likelihood that somebody's going to turn right just because 1138 01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:46,440 they get a better school, especially if there's only 11 students out of 52 houses that are 1139 01:13:46,440 --> 01:13:49,440 going to be going to school in Argyle, they're not going to pay that difference. 1140 01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:54,640 They're not going to spend a million dollars for the same lot size as they would be paying 1141 01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:58,520 $332,000 on the left side or the west side. 1142 01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:03,880 So I think those are some core components that at the very least was what Jacqueline 1143 01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:04,880 had mentioned. 1144 01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,000 I mean, there needs to be time. 1145 01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,680 I think that we need a further assessment. 1146 01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:13,560 I didn't realize this is going to be July 18th, I think is what was said for going to 1147 01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:17,980 city council because once that happens, if there's not enough opposition, it's going 1148 01:14:17,980 --> 01:14:18,980 to go through. 1149 01:14:18,980 --> 01:14:22,280 And at that point, sales are up and it's gone. 1150 01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:28,880 And I really think that this is the opportunity to ask for more time from the owner who has 1151 01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:34,440 decided not to show up again and have Omar's representative, great guy, but I do think 1152 01:14:34,440 --> 01:14:37,440 that there needs to be some time to reassess. 1153 01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:39,600 Thank you. 1154 01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:44,900 Thank you very much. 1155 01:14:44,900 --> 01:14:48,560 Next card I have is Troy Fulkerson. 1156 01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:50,160 Good evening. 1157 01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:53,800 Thank you for allowing me to speak. 1158 01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:57,720 We live on the hills of Argyle, we've been there for 20 years. 1159 01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:04,080 The reason we moved out there was because when there were lots, big community, traffic 1160 01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:05,640 was not bad at that time. 1161 01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:10,160 But our goal is that corner has been misfired a several times. 1162 01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:16,880 I was here two years ago when there were probably 100 people here, standing room only. 1163 01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:22,120 I agree with the last speaker that we don't have time to really adjust or see what the 1164 01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:24,280 final place will be. 1165 01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:30,600 The restrictions are houses or they could be multi housing, they could be condominiums. 1166 01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:31,600 We don't know. 1167 01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:37,000 But once you guys give the commitment that it's carte blanche, what do we know? 1168 01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:38,000 That's the frightening thing though. 1169 01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,720 I understand the owner wants to sell his property. 1170 01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:45,080 Everybody needs to have the right to sell their land, but we do have a right to say 1171 01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:48,080 what goes on with land and what affects us. 1172 01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:51,800 If you look at the hills of Argyle, the average house in that neighborhood now is $900,000. 1173 01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:56,080 If you go behind us to Country Club Acres, it's about the same thing. 1174 01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:01,260 I agree, on the other side of the road they're building $400,000 houses, $350,000, but will 1175 01:16:01,260 --> 01:16:05,880 it be a supermarket, will it be a high rise, will it be multifamily? 1176 01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:12,080 We want something that's good for our community, that's stable, that keeps our property values 1177 01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:15,560 up, and to be good neighbors. 1178 01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:22,760 20 years of living there, we live in the hills of Argyle, it's a community, and we come together 1179 01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:27,960 to bond and we don't want a multifamily unit there. 1180 01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:32,960 Some houses there, that'd probably be great, and limit it to 52 lots, and that's tight. 1181 01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,380 I can't even envision what it would look like. 1182 01:16:35,380 --> 01:16:41,040 It would be better if we had an architectural design, and look, this is what we're planning. 1183 01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:44,160 This is it, this is how it goes, this is how it's laid out, this is what the houses will 1184 01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,880 look for, this is what the houses will cost. 1185 01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:52,600 So we have an ideal who's going to be our neighbor in the next 40, 50, 60 years. 1186 01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:59,000 In a nutshell, we love our neighborhood, change is happening, and it did in Texas. 1187 01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,120 Everywhere you go, there's apartments and building and building and building. 1188 01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:08,680 In two, I saw recently, 220 acres, it's going to be built out, so if we can contain our 1189 01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:13,560 little piece of land and kind of have some control of what it's going to look like now, 1190 01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:18,200 and what it will look like in 30 years, that's what we want, because we've all lived out 1191 01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:20,080 there, chose that land. 1192 01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:24,800 Our property values are nice, and we love the community, so help us control what goes 1193 01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:25,800 on that land. 1194 01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,480 That's all I got to say. 1195 01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:32,600 Thank you very much. 1196 01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:36,080 I've got some other cards here that's not wishing to speak. 1197 01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:43,040 I'll go ahead and call out, and if you would like to, you absolutely are welcome to. 1198 01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:52,000 I have Joel Martin in opposition, not wishing to speak, I assume. 1199 01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:53,000 Okay. 1200 01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:58,360 I've got another one here, Erlayne Martin in opposition. 1201 01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:03,680 Okay. 1202 01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:07,000 Carol Hassel, would you like to come down and speak? 1203 01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:16,480 Please do. 1204 01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:17,480 Hi there. 1205 01:18:17,480 --> 01:18:18,480 Just state your name and address. 1206 01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:19,480 Your time will begin. 1207 01:18:19,480 --> 01:18:22,720 Carol Haisley, 4701 Upper Glenwick. 1208 01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:24,440 It's in the hills of Argyle. 1209 01:18:24,440 --> 01:18:34,960 I wasn't going to talk because I don't have a lot to say, but R6 next to R1 is not planning. 1210 01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:36,720 That's chaos. 1211 01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:42,520 If you taper down, you taper down one or two zones, you don't jump from R1 to R6. 1212 01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:44,040 That's all I have to say. 1213 01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:48,160 Thank you very much. 1214 01:18:48,160 --> 01:19:04,300 Next card I have is Donna Parfetti in opposition, okay, and Lucinda Boas, thank you, in opposition. 1215 01:19:04,300 --> 01:19:05,300 Did you want to speak? 1216 01:19:05,300 --> 01:19:06,300 I did. 1217 01:19:06,300 --> 01:19:07,300 Okay. 1218 01:19:07,300 --> 01:19:08,300 Good evening. 1219 01:19:08,300 --> 01:19:09,300 Good evening. 1220 01:19:09,300 --> 01:19:19,560 If you'll give us your name and address, your time will begin, and if you'll speak into 1221 01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:21,560 the microphone, that would be great. 1222 01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:29,320 Lucinda Boas, and I live at 1050 Brush Creek Road, which is behind the hills of Argyle. 1223 01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:37,640 With the 11 children, I back up to four homes, and in those four homes, I have six children 1224 01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:45,000 behind me, so I can't imagine that you would only have 11 children out of 50 homes, especially 1225 01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:52,460 if these became duplexes, so now it's not just 50, it's 100. 1226 01:19:52,460 --> 01:19:59,280 The infrastructure is not there to handle an additional 50 homes. 1227 01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:04,560 We're already going to have traffic from across the railroad tracks. 1228 01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:09,400 There's multiple housing additions going in down Bonnie Bray. 1229 01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:12,080 The traffic, the infrastructure's not there. 1230 01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:20,600 We have 18 wheelers right now just obliterating Brush Creek. 1231 01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:26,800 They put in the sewer line and half the road caved in, so there just needs to be more planning, 1232 01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:38,000 and I agree with my neighbors that just giving them a blank check is not good. 1233 01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:39,880 Thank you very much. 1234 01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:43,560 Next card I have is Terry Boas in opposition. 1235 01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:45,760 Did you want to speak, Mr. Boas? 1236 01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:47,760 No, I'm good. 1237 01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:48,760 Okay. 1238 01:20:48,760 --> 01:21:05,220 I'll put you at the bottom because I've got some others before you, okay? 1239 01:21:05,220 --> 01:21:07,600 Thank you. 1240 01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:12,280 On here, this says Poland in opposition. 1241 01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:14,760 Did you wish to speak this evening? 1242 01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:19,320 Yes. 1243 01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:27,360 Judy Fulkerson is in opposition. 1244 01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:37,560 Amy Blackburn, did you want to come up and speak, please? 1245 01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:38,560 Good evening. 1246 01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:39,560 You probably know the drill by now. 1247 01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:40,560 Yes. 1248 01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:41,560 Okay. 1249 01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:42,560 Hi. 1250 01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:43,560 I'm Amy Blackburn. 1251 01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:50,200 My husband spoke earlier, and we live just in the very first property that's adjoining 1252 01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:53,920 the property that's vacant that we're talking about. 1253 01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:57,280 I just have one thing to point out. 1254 01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:03,600 When we first got a letter in the mail, it was from a company called Red Rock Communities, 1255 01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:08,720 and then we got a second letter, and it was from a different name. 1256 01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:14,560 I think it was called Maggie and Sons or something like that, LLC. 1257 01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:21,120 And then there was a third letter with a different company representing this particular seller. 1258 01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:27,480 And so for me personally, I can hear what they're presenting and what the ideas are. 1259 01:22:27,480 --> 01:22:32,560 My main concern is that it's a trust thing for me. 1260 01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:38,320 I feel like the name has changed three times already, and I feel like, well, what am I 1261 01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:42,360 supposed to believe when the names have been sent out three different times with three 1262 01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:45,280 different representations? 1263 01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:49,920 The developer doesn't even own the property, but he's representing the owner who's not 1264 01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:50,920 here. 1265 01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:53,480 So for me personally, it's a trust thing. 1266 01:22:53,480 --> 01:22:58,940 I understand what I'm being presented, but I don't understand what we're going to get. 1267 01:22:58,940 --> 01:23:03,760 And so for me personally, it's just kind of hard to buy into. 1268 01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:06,200 So therefore, I oppose. 1269 01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:09,220 Thank you. 1270 01:23:09,220 --> 01:23:28,020 David Wendell in opposition, Amanda Shriver in opposition, Eric Nordstrom in opposition, 1271 01:23:28,020 --> 01:23:29,320 Claire Nordstrom in opposition. 1272 01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:31,760 Do you want to come up and speak, Claire? 1273 01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:32,760 Sure. 1274 01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:37,080 Just quickly, and I don't know how many others this affects, but I never got a postcard or 1275 01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:42,680 notice about this meeting, and my property backs up directly to this project. 1276 01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:46,680 So it might affect more people than just me, but didn't know about it, so I'm sure a lot 1277 01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:48,520 more people would be here if they knew. 1278 01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:49,520 Okay. 1279 01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:53,000 I'm assuming you're in the ETJ? 1280 01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:54,400 I'm within the 200-meter buffer. 1281 01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:57,000 I'm within the ETJ off of the Kiowa Trail. 1282 01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:58,000 Okay. 1283 01:23:58,000 --> 01:23:59,000 Yeah. 1284 01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:03,040 So they're one they're allowed to back right up to mine. 1285 01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:04,040 Thank you. 1286 01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:05,040 Thank you very much. 1287 01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:13,080 Carrie Johnson in opposition. 1288 01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:20,800 David Haseley in opposition. 1289 01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:24,640 Kevin Kosman in opposition. 1290 01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:30,520 Do you want to come down and speak? 1291 01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:31,520 Great. 1292 01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:32,520 Yeah. 1293 01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:33,520 I think I can't remember your name. 1294 01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,920 You said it very well. 1295 01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:41,480 We weren't given enough time to plan everybody to come up here, and this just doesn't fit 1296 01:24:41,480 --> 01:24:42,480 the area. 1297 01:24:42,480 --> 01:24:49,120 Like you said, we have such a unique area, and it's kind of a mixture of Denton and Argyle, 1298 01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:54,680 and we just need to rethink it and give it more time to maybe we can keep it unique and 1299 01:24:54,680 --> 01:25:01,800 beautiful, and putting 50-foot homes or whatever lots is not beautiful. 1300 01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:06,040 We need just some more time to keep it just beautiful. 1301 01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:11,520 And a lot of us have animals, and I'm worried that if my donkeys are hollering in the morning 1302 01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:18,240 that whenever these people move in, and they're hearing my donkey, everybody in my neighborhood 1303 01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:19,240 loves them. 1304 01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:23,100 I don't know about anybody, and it just seems like it's going to cause a lot of problems. 1305 01:25:23,100 --> 01:25:25,120 And I'm not the only one with animals. 1306 01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:30,800 We have a whole community of animals, and we all love them, so that's really all I'd 1307 01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:31,800 say. 1308 01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:32,800 Thank you for speaking. 1309 01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:35,280 I've got another card here. 1310 01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:40,560 Alexander Allen in opposition. 1311 01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:42,960 That is all the cards I have in front of me. 1312 01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:46,840 If there's anyone wishing to speak who has not filled out a card, you're certainly welcome 1313 01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,360 to do so. 1314 01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,760 Okay. 1315 01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:57,840 Seeing none, I will go ahead and close the public hearing and open the floor for discussion. 1316 01:25:57,840 --> 01:25:58,840 Commissioner Smith. 1317 01:25:58,840 --> 01:25:59,840 Thank you, Chair. 1318 01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:02,520 Hey, Tina, I had a question for you. 1319 01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:06,880 To be honest, and this is for everyone in the room to understand, those of you guys 1320 01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:12,160 that are in the ETJ that did not receive notifications, when this project came in front of this commission 1321 01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:17,880 back in 2019, this property, when it was proposed to be multifamily, that was something that 1322 01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:20,720 was heard from residents at that time, that didn't receive notification of that at that 1323 01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:21,720 time. 1324 01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:28,320 I, myself, Chair Ellis, and I think Commissioner Cole were still on the commission at that 1325 01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:34,640 time, and all of us at that time, the city, we need to make a change to our notification 1326 01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:38,640 to make sure those that are in the ETJ receive notification. 1327 01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:42,180 We have been making changes and pushing to have that be changed. 1328 01:26:42,180 --> 01:26:43,440 That process is in the works. 1329 01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:47,120 There was a work session conversation we had about notifications, and so those changes 1330 01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:50,680 are coming, and we're sorry that that has not happened as of yet, but it's something 1331 01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:51,680 that has been addressed. 1332 01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:55,640 So, Tina, can you give us an update on where we are with notifications in ETJ? 1333 01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:56,640 Yes. 1334 01:26:56,640 --> 01:27:03,000 So, I seem to recall where we left things was having Chair Ellis potentially talk with 1335 01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:04,000 council. 1336 01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:07,400 I'm trying to think back to that conversation, and if you have a different recollection, 1337 01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:08,400 let me know. 1338 01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:12,200 But you're right, we did have a fair amount of conversation about notification within 1339 01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:18,960 the ETJ, and so there was consensus amongst the commission to explore that further and 1340 01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,340 getting that message delivered to council. 1341 01:27:21,340 --> 01:27:25,380 So, ideally, that message would get delivered to council. 1342 01:27:25,380 --> 01:27:30,280 Council would do a two-minute pitch to direct staff to be able to, well, actually would 1343 01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:34,880 do a two-minute pitch to be able to see if there's interest amongst the at least four 1344 01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:39,160 members of council to have us explore waiving or changing, I should say. 1345 01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:42,920 We can't waive, but changing our notification requirements, and that hasn't occurred yet. 1346 01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:43,920 Right. 1347 01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:44,920 Okay. 1348 01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:45,920 Thank you. 1349 01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:46,920 Changing of council. 1350 01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:51,000 I think the other thing we're waiting on, too, is still some more legal information 1351 01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:54,120 on that as well. 1352 01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:56,840 Okay. 1353 01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:58,240 Any other questions? 1354 01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:05,320 I know I've got one for Mr. Owise, and I apologize if I said your last name wrong. 1355 01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:06,320 Okay. 1356 01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:07,320 It's Owise. 1357 01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:08,320 Owise. 1358 01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:09,320 Yeah, yeah. 1359 01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:10,320 I apologize. 1360 01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:15,840 Can you speak at all to the comment about the differing names on notifications? 1361 01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:16,840 Sure. 1362 01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:17,840 Do you know anything about that? 1363 01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:18,840 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 1364 01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:22,920 So, you know, we were asked to do some neighborhood meetings. 1365 01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:27,880 This was the first neighborhood meeting that we had was probably three months ago, so we 1366 01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:29,160 sent out the first letter. 1367 01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:31,920 It was under our Red Rock Consulting Group. 1368 01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:34,520 That's the entity that ... So we have several entities. 1369 01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:35,520 We have a development entity. 1370 01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:37,640 We have a consulting entity. 1371 01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:40,280 We've got a commercial entity, so they're all just different entities. 1372 01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:43,880 So we sent out the notice under Red Rock Consulting Group. 1373 01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:45,100 That's still us. 1374 01:28:45,100 --> 01:28:49,920 And then on the second notification, we ended up putting the owner's entity, because the 1375 01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:54,480 owners asked us to put their entity on there, because they're the owners and we're the consultants. 1376 01:28:54,480 --> 01:28:55,720 So there was some issues there. 1377 01:28:55,720 --> 01:29:01,000 But by the time we held the third meeting, we specifically reached out to the Hills of 1378 01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:02,000 Argyle HOA. 1379 01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:05,480 We were not trying to hide this or speed this through. 1380 01:29:05,480 --> 01:29:09,080 I reached out to the Hills of Argyle management company, the HOA management company. 1381 01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:14,600 I sent them the notices and I asked them to distribute that with the rest of their presidents. 1382 01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:17,760 That's why the first two meetings, not many people showed up. 1383 01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:21,120 The third meeting, I think we had seven or eight folks, a few of them are sitting here 1384 01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:22,120 today. 1385 01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:23,960 We explained that in the neighborhood meeting. 1386 01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:24,960 We tried to answer that. 1387 01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:26,600 We told them that we were hired, right? 1388 01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:27,600 We don't own the property. 1389 01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:28,600 We're not hiding that. 1390 01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:30,200 We're doing it for the owner. 1391 01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:33,760 But we do that very regularly across the DFW area. 1392 01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:35,700 It's called fee development. 1393 01:29:35,700 --> 01:29:39,040 It's a consulting service that people have, they own property and they don't know how 1394 01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:42,360 to develop the land and they need the services for somebody to do that. 1395 01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:43,580 We come and do that. 1396 01:29:43,580 --> 01:29:45,980 So that's exactly what we're doing over here. 1397 01:29:45,980 --> 01:29:52,720 We were hired by the owner to come and provide these services for this property. 1398 01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:56,160 I'll stop because I've got some other comments if that's okay, unless you have any other 1399 01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:57,160 kind of questions, please. 1400 01:29:57,160 --> 01:29:59,600 Yeah, since you spoke already, yeah. 1401 01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:07,540 You're kind of down to questions from us at this point, which I think I don't have any 1402 01:30:07,540 --> 01:30:10,120 other questions for you at this moment. 1403 01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:13,960 Any other commissioners? 1404 01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:14,960 Commissioner Cole. 1405 01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:18,660 Thank you, Chair. 1406 01:30:18,660 --> 01:30:23,040 I don't have a question, but I'm just commenting. 1407 01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:31,200 I think 52, or over 50 lots is just, I don't know how you're going to fit that in there. 1408 01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:37,560 It seems way too dense for what's around it. 1409 01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:45,160 I mean, what's to the east of it, you would find in Hartley Field, Ranch of States, and 1410 01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:49,240 you know, would we go and put R6 right there? 1411 01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:56,900 I mean, it just seems to me that this plan is not ready for prime time. 1412 01:30:56,900 --> 01:31:01,400 Well, it's not a plan, it's a zoning request. 1413 01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:08,800 Again, they can put what, it's a zoning change, so that means they can do whatever they want 1414 01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:13,160 to do under that land use in the development code. 1415 01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:19,200 So they can say, "We're going to put a million-dollar homes here," but in the end, they don't have 1416 01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:20,600 to do it at all. 1417 01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:25,680 It don't have to, don't even have to put anything close to that. 1418 01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:35,080 So this is a very sensitive area, and it has that rural-ish feeling, and yeah, I just don't 1419 01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:40,320 see how, I just don't see over 50 lots happening. 1420 01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:49,480 I mean, it's just me, you know, but I'm an O on this, so. 1421 01:31:49,480 --> 01:31:56,720 And Mr. Oase, you're certainly welcome to address, yeah, can 50 lots fit on this? 1422 01:31:56,720 --> 01:32:03,200 Yeah, Angie had the land plan up, actually, for all of you all to see, so it was up there. 1423 01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:04,280 You can fit 50 lots. 1424 01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:09,560 You might not like that density, but you can fit 50 lots on there. 1425 01:32:09,560 --> 01:32:13,600 It's consistent with what's across the street, across 377 in that neighborhood that's right 1426 01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:14,600 over there. 1427 01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:17,000 It's the exact same thing. 1428 01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:23,640 It's just like Angie mentioned, it's consistent with land use, future land use on this property. 1429 01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:28,320 We felt like because we, because everybody didn't like the multifamily case that came 1430 01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:32,560 here a couple years ago, that we were coming and we're doing something that's way more 1431 01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:35,840 reasonable than that. 1432 01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:40,640 So that's really all I have to say to Mr. Cole's comments there. 1433 01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:41,640 I'll wait for some other questions. 1434 01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:46,120 I do have some things I'd like, some points that were brought up by the residents that 1435 01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:47,120 I'd like to address. 1436 01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:48,120 Okay. 1437 01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:50,120 As chair, I will allow you to do that. 1438 01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:51,120 I'll give you two minutes. 1439 01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:52,120 Sure. 1440 01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:53,120 Can you do that? 1441 01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:54,120 Yeah. 1442 01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:55,120 Okay. 1443 01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:56,120 Let's do that and then we'll continue our discussion. 1444 01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:57,120 Okay. 1445 01:32:57,120 --> 01:32:58,120 Sounds good. 1446 01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:00,200 You know, one of the points was about having kind of a wall on the east side. 1447 01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:02,120 We plan on keeping privacy there. 1448 01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:06,840 There's a whole landscape package that we're planning on putting trees and a fence line. 1449 01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:13,160 We want to have privacy between our property and the property to the east. 1450 01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:15,160 Town homes, duplexes are coming up. 1451 01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:18,680 We're not planning, if I can sign something here today saying we're doing single family 1452 01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:20,520 houses, I would sign it. 1453 01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:21,640 That's what we're planning on doing. 1454 01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:23,120 We're not planning on doing duplexes. 1455 01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:27,160 We're not planning on doing townhomes, detached or attached townhomes. 1456 01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:31,800 These will be individual single family lots with single family housing on there. 1457 01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:36,840 And you cannot believe me or whatever, we can figure something out to sign something 1458 01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:38,900 to say that's what we're planning on doing. 1459 01:33:38,900 --> 01:33:39,900 That's what we're planning on doing. 1460 01:33:39,900 --> 01:33:43,840 I'm not here to say anything other than that. 1461 01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:47,440 I never, the whole 11 children comment, I'm not the one that came up with that number. 1462 01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:50,360 I know somebody said that there's no way, I never, this is, today was the first time 1463 01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:53,120 I heard of 11 children going to the Argyle School District. 1464 01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:54,120 I didn't. 1465 01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:55,120 Yeah. 1466 01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:56,120 It was the school district, I believe. 1467 01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:57,120 It was the school district. 1468 01:33:57,120 --> 01:33:58,120 Yeah. 1469 01:33:58,120 --> 01:33:59,120 I just want that on the record. 1470 01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:00,120 I didn't come up with that number. 1471 01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:03,120 Traffic and all those issues, you know, we had a TIA done. 1472 01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:05,880 It was approved by the city. 1473 01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:09,760 There's going to be some upgrades to the streets to accommodate for the change in traffic, 1474 01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:14,840 so we went ahead and we followed the rules on that. 1475 01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:18,800 In terms of the reach out, I already mentioned that we did purposely reach out to the HOA. 1476 01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:20,980 We wanted the neighborhood to be involved in this. 1477 01:34:20,980 --> 01:34:23,320 We met with them, we talked to them. 1478 01:34:23,320 --> 01:34:27,600 I held three neighborhood meetings, not just one or two, so I really honestly did the best 1479 01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:28,600 I could. 1480 01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:31,120 If I did anything that was not acceptable, then I'm sorry. 1481 01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:39,120 I tried to reach out as many times as I could, working with Angie and the city. 1482 01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:44,560 Yeah, that's really all I have. 1483 01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:49,840 I mean, I'll give my time back for any other questions, 10 seconds. 1484 01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:51,840 I appreciate you. 1485 01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:52,840 Yeah. 1486 01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:57,520 I don't see any other questions from commissioners at this point, so I'll go ahead and, if they 1487 01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:59,520 come up again, we'll call you back to the podium. 1488 01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:00,520 Sure. 1489 01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:01,520 Absolutely. 1490 01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:02,520 Thank you. 1491 01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:03,520 Thank you very much. 1492 01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:04,520 Tina. 1493 01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:07,520 Thank you, Chair Ellis. 1494 01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:12,400 I just wanted to address something with respect to the comprehensive plan, and also I want 1495 01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:17,400 to make sure that the record was correct with the commission giving some comments in the 1496 01:35:17,400 --> 01:35:18,400 work session. 1497 01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:20,760 I went back and I looked at the 2030 plan. 1498 01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:25,480 The 2030 plan had this area designated as neighborhood mixed use, so I think the comment 1499 01:35:25,480 --> 01:35:29,600 was made possibly community mixed use, so I just want to make sure that the commission 1500 01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:33,400 understood that that has not changed as we went through that plan update. 1501 01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:37,560 I know we had the zoning case, it does predate my time, but I know we had the zoning case 1502 01:35:37,560 --> 01:35:42,160 request to rezone the property to MN, and that was not successful, obviously, given 1503 01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:46,000 that the existing zoning is what it is today on the property. 1504 01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:51,640 When staff evaluates requests for rezonings, we evaluate those zoning requests in accordance 1505 01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:54,280 with what the comprehensive plan recommendation is. 1506 01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:58,420 So, you know, we updated our comprehensive plan in 2040. 1507 01:35:58,420 --> 01:36:03,240 For 2040, we adopted that plan in March of 2022, in which I know many of you were involved 1508 01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:04,560 in that process. 1509 01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:08,000 This is an area that we did not make changes with respect to that neighborhood mixed use 1510 01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:11,120 district or designation, excuse me, at that location. 1511 01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:15,200 So as you all are well aware of, zoning is the tool that implements the comprehensive 1512 01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:19,800 plan, and so, you know, we evaluate zoning requests that are brought forth based upon 1513 01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:22,480 what our comprehensive plan recommendations are. 1514 01:36:22,480 --> 01:36:25,920 You know, this is a unique area in that we have a variety of different land uses along 1515 01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:27,000 377. 1516 01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:31,600 We have properties within the city that are adjacent to properties that are not within 1517 01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:32,600 the city. 1518 01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:35,640 And so, even when the Planning and Zoning Commission and Council worked on the comprehensive 1519 01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:40,000 plan update, I know that was a challenge at times when we looked at designations of land 1520 01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:44,760 use and how we balance that with properties that are outside the ETJ. 1521 01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:50,920 You know, if the commission finds itself where it's not supportive of this rezoning request 1522 01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:55,880 that's consistent with the comprehensive plan, then my recommendation to the commission then 1523 01:36:55,880 --> 01:37:00,440 is then maybe we need to reevaluate this area and what our land use designations are for 1524 01:37:00,440 --> 01:37:05,560 the area, because we would have had a second zoning case come through, and if the commission 1525 01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:10,640 is finding that this request is not the right request for this area, then we do need to 1526 01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:13,680 look at reevaluating our land use recommendations for this area. 1527 01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:16,480 So, you know, I just want to put that out there. 1528 01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:22,320 If that's where the--if the commission may be struggling with what is the appropriate 1529 01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:26,920 land uses for this area, you know, again, our task as staff is to review requests that 1530 01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:30,120 are received to see how it stacks up with our comprehensive plan. 1531 01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:32,280 In this case, you know, we look to the future land use map. 1532 01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:35,920 We also look at our other goals and policies, which is also providing an opportunity for 1533 01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:37,640 diverse housing within the community. 1534 01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:39,240 So thank you. 1535 01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:40,240 Thank you, Tina. 1536 01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:41,240 Appreciate that. 1537 01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:46,720 Do we have a motion on the floor, Commissioner Villareal? 1538 01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:47,720 Yes. 1539 01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:51,840 It's difficult for me to see how, as a straight zoning case, this is appropriate for the area 1540 01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:54,120 and the surrounding density. 1541 01:37:54,120 --> 01:38:00,040 I agree with the chair's earlier point that, you know, promises are great. 1542 01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:03,780 It's good to hear that you all are willing to work with the neighborhoods, but unless 1543 01:38:03,780 --> 01:38:08,440 it's codified in a plan--you know, a plan development, it doesn't mean much. 1544 01:38:08,440 --> 01:38:12,960 So I would like to see it come back as a PD down the road perhaps with some of those protections 1545 01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:20,400 in place, but at this current time, as a straight zoning case, I have to move denial. 1546 01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:21,400 Commissioner Cole? 1547 01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:22,400 Second. 1548 01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:23,400 Okay. 1549 01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:26,960 We've got a first and a second for denial. 1550 01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:29,920 Commissioner Perrett is on the floor. 1551 01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:33,520 Thank you, Chair. 1552 01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:38,020 So just a few thoughts on this. 1553 01:38:38,020 --> 01:38:39,080 We live in America. 1554 01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:41,080 We have a lot of rights. 1555 01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:46,760 The right to prevent someone from living near us who doesn't have as much money of us is 1556 01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:53,300 not one of those rights. 1557 01:38:53,300 --> 01:39:00,340 You know, there are other cities who have gone with PDs so that everybody feels happy 1558 01:39:00,340 --> 01:39:03,460 and safe. 1559 01:39:03,460 --> 01:39:07,200 Cities with 1,000 PDs just do not work. 1560 01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:08,200 They do not. 1561 01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:14,160 It's a way to ensure that the next time housing--how do you think prices go up? 1562 01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:20,840 They go up three times as fast in your city as they go up anywhere else. 1563 01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:31,960 With that said, this is a special area, not because of the character or the animals, but 1564 01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:36,880 I love goats, trust me. 1565 01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:47,840 It's special because to me, Hickory Creek provides a natural southern border toward 1566 01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:55,040 the type of development that you would consider the city, and this is south of that. 1567 01:39:55,040 --> 01:40:03,160 So I think, you know, staff absolutely agree that staff evaluated this based on the future 1568 01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:04,520 land use map. 1569 01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:08,480 To me, when I look at that land use map, it looks like an inkblot down there that is leftover 1570 01:40:08,480 --> 01:40:16,860 from the 1990 plan that envisioned a whole bunch of additional annexation and creating 1571 01:40:16,860 --> 01:40:21,840 a true neighborhood down there, and it's just not going to happen. 1572 01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:24,960 Not like that anyway. 1573 01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:38,140 So to me, the question is, we need homes, is it better to have 51, 52 homes down here, 1574 01:40:38,140 --> 01:40:41,520 or is it better to have them somewhere else in the city? 1575 01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:52,640 And just because of the sensitivity of reining in expansive development that honestly is 1576 01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:57,720 a tax raise to everybody else in the city, because we would be subsidizing it, it's just 1577 01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:03,080 not worth it to me. 1578 01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:04,080 Commissioner Smith. 1579 01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:05,080 Thank you, Chair. 1580 01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:12,520 I don't think necessarily a denial is something that would be an item that I would support, 1581 01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:18,840 although I do think that from what the applicant did say that if I could have you, if I could 1582 01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:23,880 sign something today that says I'm going to develop a single family residential, I would, 1583 01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:30,860 there is, and that is a plan development, seeing a PD, having a site plan incorporated 1584 01:41:30,860 --> 01:41:35,840 into that PD that codifies what that property is going to look like with no ability for 1585 01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:38,040 it to be changed in comparison to a straight zoning. 1586 01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:45,560 And so I think that essentially either whether it's a postponement or a denial, I would heavily 1587 01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:52,720 encourage that if this project wants to move forward whatsoever, I think that it needs 1588 01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:57,400 to be changed and retracted and then presented back as a plan development. 1589 01:41:57,400 --> 01:42:03,120 But if not, then I think I agree with Commissioner Pruitt in the sense that diversity of housing 1590 01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:06,680 is something that our comprehensive plan calls for. 1591 01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:08,520 I love this area of Argyle. 1592 01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:12,880 I live maybe two miles from the side of this property. 1593 01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:19,480 It is rural and I do think that a development and this zoning could allow for the character 1594 01:42:19,480 --> 01:42:23,960 of the neighborhood to be maintained while also allowing for diversity of housing as 1595 01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:26,880 well as an allowance for commercial property. 1596 01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:30,480 I'm a supporter for the commercial property to be there. 1597 01:42:30,480 --> 01:42:34,600 But if it was to be codified, the plan development would be the best format for it to be done. 1598 01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:38,640 And so, but I'm not sure if I would necessarily support denial. 1599 01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:41,560 I think that it does need to make changes. 1600 01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:43,880 Thanks, Commissioner Smith. 1601 01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:49,880 Yeah, this whole struggle here is not anything, honestly, that Mr. Oasis said. 1602 01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:54,080 I mean, I think 50 homes here is okay. 1603 01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:55,560 Single family homes there is great. 1604 01:42:55,560 --> 01:43:00,820 I think the problem is there's nothing to codify that in this request. 1605 01:43:00,820 --> 01:43:03,760 So there's no protections that are here. 1606 01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:09,120 We have to look at everything on this case-by-case basis and this particular case, it's such 1607 01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:16,920 a unique area, as we've mentioned before, and there's nothing that helps to safeguard 1608 01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:20,960 what is around this piece of land. 1609 01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:23,360 So I think that's the whole struggle here. 1610 01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:25,520 It's not the struggle with development so much. 1611 01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:30,160 I mean, certainly more homes in this area, fine. 1612 01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:36,160 Commercial, as soon as the roads can support it, absolutely. 1613 01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:38,920 So I don't think that's not where the struggle is. 1614 01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:47,880 The struggle is a straight zoning case in this particular area is quite scary because 1615 01:43:47,880 --> 01:43:54,680 we can't, there's nothing that was said today that the city can uphold. 1616 01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:58,120 So, I mean, this could end up, you know, express homes. 1617 01:43:58,120 --> 01:43:59,120 I mean, who knows? 1618 01:43:59,120 --> 01:44:01,760 It could end up as a townhome development. 1619 01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:06,720 We don't know what it could end up, anything that R6 allows by right, which is a lot of 1620 01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:08,000 things. 1621 01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:13,400 So I think that's the struggle that many on this commission are having is that this isn't 1622 01:44:13,400 --> 01:44:18,160 presented in a way that we can put any safeguards in, that we can make sure that wall or that 1623 01:44:18,160 --> 01:44:25,840 buffer is there for these people who live, really, in the ETJ and the way they live should 1624 01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:26,840 be respected. 1625 01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:27,840 They do have animals. 1626 01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:34,000 I drove that property, I think it was just this morning, and several animals are running 1627 01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:35,000 around. 1628 01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:37,720 I mean, that's just how the area is. 1629 01:44:37,720 --> 01:44:44,320 It's rural living, and protection, I think, does need to be in place on this particular 1630 01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:52,720 tract of land to ensure the safety of those residents and their animals and their children. 1631 01:44:52,720 --> 01:44:58,200 So I believe that's the struggle here is that we can't safeguard anything here. 1632 01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:04,800 We're just gonna put it out there to run R6 zoning, and then the property owner, I assume, 1633 01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:12,600 is going to look for a seller, I mean, a buyer for the property to develop under R6, and 1634 01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:16,760 that could be anything. 1635 01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:19,120 So I guess that's all I have to say at this point. 1636 01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:23,440 I don't see, is there any other commissioners wishing to speak? 1637 01:45:23,440 --> 01:45:29,720 We do have a motion on the floor to deny this request, and it has been seconded. 1638 01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:44,520 So with that, I'll go ahead and ask for a vote. 1639 01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:49,240 That will carry 5-1. 1640 01:45:49,240 --> 01:45:53,520 I do appreciate everyone who did come out to speak on this item. 1641 01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:56,600 Thank you very much. 1642 01:45:56,600 --> 01:46:03,160 That will go ahead and move us to our project matrix. 1643 01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:09,520 I will go ahead and recess us for five minutes and let the room clear. 1644 01:46:09,520 --> 01:46:13,080 It is 7-50. 1645 01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:14,480 Thank you for that brief recess. 1646 01:46:14,480 --> 01:46:20,040 It is 7-55, and I'll call us back to order, and next on our agenda this evening is the 1647 01:46:20,040 --> 01:46:24,360 planning and zoning matrix, and I'll turn that over to Tina. 1648 01:46:24,360 --> 01:46:26,720 Thank you, Chair Ellis. 1649 01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:30,640 So we updated the matrix since our last planning and zoning commission meeting. 1650 01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:35,600 I know the commission had requested for a presentation regarding city and tech stock 1651 01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:42,320 coordination on a variety of different roadways, so we've added that to the matrix, and so, 1652 01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:43,320 and my apologies. 1653 01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:47,080 I know we've had some items on here that have been a little bit longer, and with everything 1654 01:46:47,080 --> 01:46:49,920 else we've had going on, we haven't had a chance to get to some of those, but we'll 1655 01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:53,160 make sure we start working on this list. 1656 01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:58,120 So, but other items, just I wanted to give the commission an update on, I promise, my 1657 01:46:58,120 --> 01:47:01,040 notes are short compared to previous evenings. 1658 01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:08,120 If you want to hold up just a minute, we're going to go ahead and close the door for noise. 1659 01:47:08,120 --> 01:47:16,560 Thank you, Hillary. 1660 01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:17,560 Thank you, Hillary. 1661 01:47:17,560 --> 01:47:18,560 Appreciate that. 1662 01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:19,560 Okay, Tina. 1663 01:47:19,560 --> 01:47:20,560 No worries. 1664 01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:21,560 You're welcome. 1665 01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:25,760 So, typically I give you an update on development cases that have been to city council since 1666 01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:26,760 your last meeting. 1667 01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:30,520 We have not had anything go before council in terms of development case, however, we 1668 01:47:30,520 --> 01:47:37,840 did have last night, our downtown master plan update contract was approved, so we will start 1669 01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:43,920 working on our third area plan, and so Ron's going to be the project manager on that, assisted 1670 01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:48,360 by Sean, and so we will be, I know there was emails going back and forth today regarding 1671 01:47:48,360 --> 01:47:52,420 getting that first meeting set up with the consultant, so we'll be working on getting 1672 01:47:52,420 --> 01:47:55,080 that project underway. 1673 01:47:55,080 --> 01:48:00,760 Speaking of our other area plans, so Northeast area plan, the next major milestone we have 1674 01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:04,960 as it relates to that project is a joint meeting with the planning and zoning commission and 1675 01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:12,760 city council and steering committee on Tuesday, August 1st, at 11 a.m., not 8 a.m., 11 a.m., 1676 01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:14,640 and so make sure you put that on your calendar. 1677 01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:19,000 I know Kathy will eventually get a meeting invite sent out to you, but again, that's 1678 01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:20,000 already was done. 1679 01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:21,000 Oh, it has been? 1680 01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:22,000 Okay, perfect. 1681 01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:23,000 Okay, excellent. 1682 01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:24,000 So make sure you respond to that. 1683 01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:29,120 So we have folks in attendance, but again, that's our next major milestone as it relates 1684 01:48:29,120 --> 01:48:33,480 to that project, and we'll be talking about some proposed strategies as it relates to 1685 01:48:33,480 --> 01:48:36,080 the Northeast Denton area plan. 1686 01:48:36,080 --> 01:48:41,240 Southeast Denton area plan, so this past week we're going to have has been extremely busy 1687 01:48:41,240 --> 01:48:48,800 for the team with Juneteenth celebration festivities going on as well as our listening sessions, 1688 01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:56,000 and so we had a huge public engagement push for our second round of engagement, really 1689 01:48:56,000 --> 01:49:01,240 trying to attract that 50 and younger crowd, if you will, and get a variety of demographic 1690 01:49:01,240 --> 01:49:03,240 interest as well. 1691 01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:10,720 The team did intercept surveys in addition to having a booth presence, if you will, canopy 1692 01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:15,520 presence in the heat at the Juneteenth festivities in addition to intercept surveys. 1693 01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:20,680 So the consultant team is still pulling together our numbers from that last round of engagement 1694 01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:26,080 sessions, so we'll have more information to share as we move on as it relates to that 1695 01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:27,080 project. 1696 01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:30,660 I would like to point out the steering committee had their first meeting this past Friday, 1697 01:49:30,660 --> 01:49:34,640 so we had a really good discussion with the steering committee, and we were able to have 1698 01:49:34,640 --> 01:49:38,840 some discussion and validate some of the public engagement feedback that's been received thus 1699 01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:42,200 far, so I think we're going to have a really great group to work with as it relates to 1700 01:49:42,200 --> 01:49:43,200 that. 1701 01:49:43,200 --> 01:49:48,560 So that concludes my update, and happy to answer any questions you may have. 1702 01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:49,560 Commissioner Villarreal. 1703 01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:52,760 I just wanted to thank you for everything you all are doing for the Southeast area plan. 1704 01:49:52,760 --> 01:49:57,640 It sounds like you all are taking unique efforts to ensure that we have a variety of opinions 1705 01:49:57,640 --> 01:49:59,600 voiced, so thank you so much for doing that. 1706 01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:03,460 Absolutely, and I have to admit, I can't take credit for this. 1707 01:50:03,460 --> 01:50:04,460 It's my team. 1708 01:50:04,460 --> 01:50:06,480 Mia, I know, is here. 1709 01:50:06,480 --> 01:50:07,480 Mia is our assistant PM. 1710 01:50:07,480 --> 01:50:12,280 Julie is our project manager on that, but also I had several other staff members, you 1711 01:50:12,280 --> 01:50:16,920 know, Angie's assistant PM on the Northeast plan, but I know I had several staff members 1712 01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:20,240 in attendance at the various events over the weekend. 1713 01:50:20,240 --> 01:50:24,680 We've also had, again, doing the intercept surveys. 1714 01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:28,720 I think they're having a lot of fun with it, but it's been really a lot of hard work also, 1715 01:50:28,720 --> 01:50:35,260 and I commend them for really trying to engage the public and receive feedback, and we can 1716 01:50:35,260 --> 01:50:40,640 tell the word is getting out, right, and because we hear it from other sources, and so, again, 1717 01:50:40,640 --> 01:50:41,640 we're continuing to try. 1718 01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:43,480 So thank you for recognizing those efforts. 1719 01:50:43,480 --> 01:50:44,780 That's excellent. 1720 01:50:44,780 --> 01:50:45,780 Thank you. 1721 01:50:45,780 --> 01:50:46,780 Commissioner Perot. 1722 01:50:46,780 --> 01:50:48,400 Yeah, I just want to echo that. 1723 01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:52,080 It's been nothing short of heroic, really. 1724 01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:57,840 You know, we complain and we say we need more planning, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and 1725 01:50:57,840 --> 01:51:02,160 when it really comes down to it, you're knocking it out of the park. 1726 01:51:02,160 --> 01:51:07,120 It's just everybody involved is, you know, from staff to the consultant to everything, 1727 01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:16,680 the Southeast Denton plan is truly just trying to make sure that everybody is involved, and 1728 01:51:16,680 --> 01:51:20,600 I know that's hard, and I know that makes everything harder to draft once you have all 1729 01:51:20,600 --> 01:51:26,160 that stuff and you have to comprehend it, but thank you. 1730 01:51:26,160 --> 01:51:27,800 Thank you, Commissioner Perot. 1731 01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:29,960 Anything else for the matrix? 1732 01:51:29,960 --> 01:51:34,040 I'll say I agree with all of that. 1733 01:51:34,040 --> 01:51:37,240 I think you and your staff are great, and yay, area plans. 1734 01:51:37,240 --> 01:51:42,520 We've never had so many approved and going all at one time. 1735 01:51:42,520 --> 01:51:43,520 It's really a great thing. 1736 01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:47,300 Commissioner Smith's got his thumbs up there, so thanks. 1737 01:51:47,300 --> 01:51:50,440 With regard to your staff, I think you have a new staff member here that people don't 1738 01:51:50,440 --> 01:51:53,880 know, so why don't we go ahead and get him introduced, if you don't mind? 1739 01:51:53,880 --> 01:51:57,520 Ask, and you all have 10 questions each for him, right? 1740 01:51:57,520 --> 01:52:00,200 So, I would like to introduce Matt Bodine. 1741 01:52:00,200 --> 01:52:02,240 Did I pronounce that correct? 1742 01:52:02,240 --> 01:52:03,240 Okay. 1743 01:52:03,240 --> 01:52:06,600 I introduced him, and I misspelled his last name, or mispronounced his last name, so my 1744 01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:07,600 apologies. 1745 01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:08,600 I want to make sure I get that right. 1746 01:52:08,600 --> 01:52:09,600 But Matt joined us here recently. 1747 01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:13,600 Matt, have you been three weeks, four weeks? 1748 01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:14,600 Third week on the job. 1749 01:52:14,600 --> 01:52:19,160 So, Matt is a recent graduate from Texas A&M, so for all you Aggies, go ahead and get your 1750 01:52:19,160 --> 01:52:20,160 hoops out. 1751 01:52:20,160 --> 01:52:25,640 So, but Matt joins our team, and we've been excited to have him, so we've been very fortunate 1752 01:52:25,640 --> 01:52:30,840 to be able to grow our team, and we're still working on trying to fill some positions that 1753 01:52:30,840 --> 01:52:37,040 we have, but we're very happy to have Matt with us, and today I asked him to help Karina 1754 01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:41,520 in providing some support and to help with some transportation reviews, so we're letting 1755 01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:45,520 him jump in with both feet and get started, so it's great, and we appreciate having him 1756 01:52:45,520 --> 01:52:46,520 with us. 1757 01:52:46,520 --> 01:52:50,920 So, eventually you'll have presentations from Matt at the podium, but also I want to give 1758 01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:53,960 him some baby steps and not quite throw him into the deep end just yet. 1759 01:52:53,960 --> 01:52:54,960 Sounds good. 1760 01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:58,360 Come aboard, Matt. 1761 01:52:58,360 --> 01:53:03,840 With regard, Tina, to our discussion tonight with ETJ notification, I know Commissioner 1762 01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:12,020 Smith is taking lead on that in talking to Council, so hopefully we'll get that going 1763 01:53:12,020 --> 01:53:17,760 on that end just to see if we can, you know, I'm not exactly sure what the right answer 1764 01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:23,720 is, but I'm sure as a collective group that we can figure out the best way to handle that. 1765 01:53:23,720 --> 01:53:26,140 Thank you for that update. 1766 01:53:26,140 --> 01:53:28,400 Do we have any concluding items? 1767 01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:29,400 Okay. 1768 01:53:29,400 --> 01:53:31,760 I'll just say thanks, everybody. 1769 01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:36,280 Stay cool out there, and hydrated, and I'll adjourn us at 8.02. 1770 01:53:36,280 --> 01:53:37,280 Thank you all. 1771 01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:37,280 Thank you very much.