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 >> Hello, good evening and welcome to the City of Denton Traffic Safety Commission meeting

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 of Monday, March 4th, 2019.

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 It is 533 and we do have a quorum.

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 The first item of business is 1A under items for consideration.

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 It is TSC19-014 to consider the approval of the minutes

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 for the Traffic Safety Commission meeting on February 4th, 2019.

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 Did everyone have a chance to look at the minutes?

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 Were there any amendments or does anybody want to move for approval?

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 >> I move for approval.

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 >> Okay, approval?

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 >> Second.

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 >> We have a second.

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 Anybody have any amendments?

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 Okay, all right, everyone in favor, raise your right hand, try that this time.

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 Okay, and unanimously approved.

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 The next item for consideration, 1B is TSC19-015 which is to receive a report,

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 hold a discussion and give staff direction regarding capital improvements

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 to downtown Mew Streets which include Pecan, Austin, Walnut and Cedar.

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 >> Good evening.

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 I'm Michael Smith with the CIP Department and I'm going to give a presentation here on Mews

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 and essentially we're in the conceptual phase of this project right now and a lot

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 of this project was reaching out and getting feedback from the community.

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 So tonight we'll discuss the project status and goals, existing conditions.

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 We'll look at, you know, what the streets look like today.

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 Then we're going to look at the public engagement activities that we did.

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 We got a lot of feedback and changed some of the features of the project based on that feedback.

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 Then we're going to talk about the proposed improvements and beautification options.

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 We'll touch a little bit on solid waste and some of the feedback that we got

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 from the community on solid waste and then we'll talk about project element

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 and the costs that go along with those.

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 So from the inception, the main goal was to provide beautification of the Mew Streets.

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 And maybe I should go back and discuss what the Mew Streets are.

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 It's an archaic term that came out of the 1700s and it essentially refers to a row of houses

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 or stables, carriage houses with living quarters above them.

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 And they were usually around a courtyard or square.

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 In our case, they're around a very large square.

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 So the street's just outside the square.

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 So the main goals were to provide pedestrian accessibility and beautification.

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 We finished the public engagement portion of this project and we have a few recommendations

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 that we're moving forward on.

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 So as mentioned in the introduction, Cedar Street, a pilot project was done on Cedar Street.

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 We had a $800,000 grant that was given to us.

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 And so Cedar Street is pretty much already complete as far

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 as it was envisioned a number of years ago.

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 And that's on the east and then we have Pecan on the north, Austin on the, I'm sorry,

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 Austin on the east and Walnut Street on the south.

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 So essentially, this is what we have going on right now.

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 The new streets are basically the alleys that are behind all the squares, the businesses.

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 They've been used as an alley, you know, for a number of years.

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 So this is where, this is what we have.

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 So we have a number of garbage dumpsters all along the street.

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 As you can see on this street, there is no sidewalk on either side.

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 There's no accessibility on either side.

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 And then in the lower picture, on the right-hand side we have steps which also,

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 you know, inhibits accessibility so we don't have step, you know,

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 we don't have accessibility throughout these streets.

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 And that was one of the main issues that we wanted to address.

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 So this is sort of a path on where we've been, where we started off and where we're going.

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 We started off with website and social media, you know, to get the information out on the project.

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 And then we hosted office hours.

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 So two of us sat down there, we invited all the businesses that are on the Mew streets

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 and the surrounding streets, courthouse businesses, and invited them in so we could have a discussion,

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 find out, you know, what their needs were, what their issues were, and, you know,

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 ways to address those needs and issues.

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 Then we had a public open house.

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 We had, you know, a couple dozen people that showed up for the public open house.

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 And we got a lot of feedback from them and we'll go over that feedback in a few minutes.

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 And, you know, a couple dozen really doesn't, you know,

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 give you a firm grasp of what people really want.

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 So then we went out and we did a survey monkey and we, you know, broadcast that out wide

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 and we got 687 respondents which was, you know, kind of, you know,

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 beefs up the information that we had to date.

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 And then we're going to city council presentation on March 19.

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 So some of the feedback that we received was two-way streets.

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 We initially proposed just going with one-way streets going counter

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 to the direction that the courthouse is going.

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 But we heard feedback from, you know, a couple dozen people that said really two-way streets,

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 you know, is going to be better for the business.

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 It's going to have less adverse impact.

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 You know, one-way streets, they were afraid that they would lose business that way.

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 So we ended up taking that feedback and so all our proposals now went to two-way streets.

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 Safety improvements needed, survey monkey especially, there were dozens of people who talked

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 about the lack of lighting and the sidewalks, you know, that they had to traverse.

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 You know, they didn't feel safe at night especially several people pointed out, you know,

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 that they were women, you know, so there was just, you know, a lot of concern for that.

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 Especially since a lot of these people that are walking at night, you know,

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 that had some of these concerns are the people that are closing down a restaurant.

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 So, you know, the bars close at 2 o'clock so they're at 2.30, 3 o'clock, you know,

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 walking the streets and they wanted, you know, more light and, you know,

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 a safer feel, better sidewalks.

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 Solid waste, we will go into that a little bit more but a preference was valet service

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 and we'll discuss that in a few minutes.

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 And then they were also, people were interested in seeing a loading schedule

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 where, you know, the delivery trucks just wouldn't show up whenever they wanted to

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 but they would show up at a scheduled time.

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 Now that's obviously really hard to enforce and so we didn't delve into that too much

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 but that was one of the feedbacks that we received.

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 So proposed street cross section, we have traffic in both directions

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 and parallel parking on both sides of the street.

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 The basic, you know, would include a couple of lights and a few trees

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 and accessible sidewalks on both sides of the street.

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 So we looked at, you know, what were the bare minimum that we needed to get

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 and then we looked at an intermediate plan and, you know,

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 adding different features as we go along.

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 So the bare minimum plan obviously was the sidewalks and curb ramps, all ADA compliant.

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 Then we had pedestrian and street lighting and you can see an example of the lights

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 that we have around one of our parking lots now, we would use these same lights.

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 And then we're looking for crosswalks and traffic calming

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 to get, you know, the vehicles to slow down.

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 Trash receptacles would be, you know, important as well as bike racks.

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 And then DME is in the process of-- they're going to be wrapping most

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 of their transformers in a vinyl wrap that gives them a nicer, you know, a nicer appeal

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 and that's in the works.

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 So the basic-- so that was the basic plan.

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 So options that we can do to make it look a little bit better was we can increase the amount

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 of landscaping that we have.

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 We can increase the number of trees.

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 We can put planters there.

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 The bike racks could be, you know, the musical note D, you know, instead of the mundane ones.

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 And then we could add things like street lighting.

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 We could add some street furniture, you know, benches and some other things.

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 So and then we'll-- so this is the basic layout and this is just a few trees.

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 It is with a few street lights and again, you know, two-way traffic and parallel parking

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 on the streets and then the enhanced option adds trees.

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 It adds some additional plantings and it adds the red brick or the pavers, you know, enhancements.

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 This is similar to what's on Cedar and on the square, you know,

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 would just, you know, make it pop a little bit more.

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 And then we have the luxury version.

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 Luxury version, again, additional trees, additional plantings.

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 We could have the string lights that are located on the street.

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 And in this case, we would have additional pavers, you know, the crosswalks would have pavers

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 and the parking spaces would have pavers or stamped colored concrete.

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 Probably, you know, for the sidewalks, it would probably be the pavers.

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 For the parking spaces, it would be the stamped colored concrete

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 because the street sweepers do much better with that type of layout as opposed to the--

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 as opposed to doing pavers.

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 You know, pavers are, you know, you fill them, you know, they're supposed to be permeable.

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 You fill them with sand, you know, to allow that to work.

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 And in this case, the street sweeper would essentially take out the sand.

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 So solid waste, dumpster service is inefficient, competes with available parking.

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 As you can see here, we wouldn't be able to park, you know, along this section of the street.

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 There's-- we've had lots of complaints about the odors and about the aesthetics.

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 They've also had a lot of waste-- solid waste has had a lot of problems with illegal dumping too.

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 When you have all these dumpsters lined up, you know, people are cleaning out their apartment

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 at the end of the semester or they have a construction project at home

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 and they just-- they bring their trash with them and dump here.

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 There's a capacity issues right now.

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 We'll discuss the number but essentially the capacity is not being met.

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 We would need even more dumpsters than we're seeing here and not only just the trash

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 And safety concerns, you know, you have the trucks going down these streets,

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 you know, that's a safety concern.

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 And during special events, a lot of the streets are blocked off, you know, are not traversable

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 and so they're not able to be serviced during the special events.

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 And that's especially critical because we generate more trash during the special events

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 than we do, you know, all the other times.

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 So currently on the Mew streets, there's 13 waste and 11 recycle.

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 They're anticipating that we would need a minimum to add three trash dumpsters

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 and two recycle just to get current capacity.

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 And the problem with current capacity is we're expecting that the amount

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 of people visiting the square is going to go up.

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 You know, we have a new university opening up that is in downtown.

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 They don't have a commissary so we anticipate the people that are

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 in between classes will be coming over here, you know, and, you know, coming in the square

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 and giving their business to, you know, getting their coffee or getting their lunch.

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 So, you know, while that is the, you know, 13 and 11, it's only going to go up from there.

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 They're serviced four to six times per week for 65 total stops.

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 And then, again, they're taking up space that could be used for parking spaces.

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 So we presented different options both in the public meeting and in the Survey Monkey.

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 And the options were one was a valet service.

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 You know, private company is going to come in and collect the trash.

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 They would, you know, it would probably be a subcontract,

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 you know, the solid waste would manage.

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 And they would have to essentially go around all night long and they would pick

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 up trash, you know, during the peak hours, you know, to keep it going.

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 Then all that trash would be taken to compactors and we'll look

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 at the location for that in just a moment.

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 And that way it's one trip per week to service recycling and one trip

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 to service the trash, the recycling and one for trash.

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 The second option was employees of each business would essentially cart their garbage,

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 And then the third option was to install two dumpsters on all, you know,

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 on all four corners essentially of the Mew Streets

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 and have people take their trash to those dumpsters.

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 So, based on the feedback that we received, SurveyMonkey, you know, the valet,

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 this is out of a score of out of 6, you know, 2.23.

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 we had a lot of people that favored that option.

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 And then, you know, the, you know, option 2 and option 3 were not far behind

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 from the SurveyMonkey standpoint but were further behind based on the open house.

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 >> May I ask, who funds the valet service?

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 Is that the businesses will pay for the valet service?

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 Right now, they're paying on their electric bill, they're paying for those services already.

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 you know, the restaurants obviously would need to pay a larger portion

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 because they would be serviced more than a business that, you know,

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 but that cost would be rolled in to the monthly bill proportionately?

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 >> The proposed compactor location, this is a parking lot

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 that we have already, this is an older photo, doesn't show the parking lot.

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 But this is where the compactors would go.

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 It was envisioned years ago when that, or a couple of years ago

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 when they did this parking lot that they could put compactors here.

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 So, it's already set up for electrical.

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 I mean, it's set up to be fully functional at this point.

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 Solid waste, you know, is envisioning, you know, something like a, you know,

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 all-train vehicle but it would, you know, something that would pull a trailer around.

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 So, that's part of the envision.

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 You know, a lot of this was conceptual.

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 So, once we have direction, I think, you know, we'll do full design

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 and then we'll investigate, you know, the types of businesses

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 because Valley Service is becoming more and more common especially in areas

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 where they have, you know, a lot of pedestrians, you know, and they want to,

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 >> Do you think this would save them any money

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 if people are illegally dumping?

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 I don't know how they pay now but would it save them from having

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 >> Yes, it would eliminate illegal dumping because those dumpsters, you know,

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 just aren't available for them to, you know, drive up and then unload.

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 So, the compactors would be in a remote, you know, or remote locations.

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 You know, they would be fenced so that they look, you know, pretty

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 and it would be a lot harder for somebody to dump.

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 Not saying that they couldn't do it or--

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 >> Is that the approximate size of the footprint for a compactor?

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 >> No, the--

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 >> Or how big is--

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 >> There'd be two of them at each site.

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 So, they're about-- and I don't have the numbers in front of me.

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 This solid waste would have those numbers.

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 I want to say that they were about 15 to 20 feet in length and they're

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 about 6 to 8 feet wide and there'd be two of them side by side.

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 >> They're compact compactors.

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 >> They are, yes.

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 >> OK.

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 >> And then recommendations, solid waste recommendations,

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 the valet service is probably, you know,

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 it's probably been a long time in the coming.

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 You know, the number of dumpsters is not sufficient

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 for what is currently going on the new streets and we only need

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 to add more dumpsters and then if we get more traffic

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 from the university students, you know,

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 we're going to need even more dumpsters.

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 And so, it's a never ending problem unless we go, you know,

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 with a different option and the valet service is working

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 in several other cities right now and so, very interested in exploring

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 that idea for the city of Denton.

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 And as part of the service, you know,

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 they could do the sidewalk cleaning.

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 We, you know, every week we get complaints, you know,

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 that there's a mess on the sidewalk at, you know,

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 at different locations and so that could be rolled

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 into this service as well.

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 And then grease trap service, we can get the grease traps off the

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 new streets and into a more remote location.

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 There's more investigation that needs to be done, you know,

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 in that type of service.

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 So, you know, in a new building, they build in, you know,

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 receptacles that can be evacuated from an outside source

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 but we're dealing with historic buildings here

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 so that's not really an option.

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 So, we're looking at a couple of different possibilities,

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 you know, to get that working.

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 So, and then, yeah, landscape or screening walls would be

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 around the compactors.

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 Did I skip one?

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 No. So, this is the breakdown on cost.

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 Cedar Street would remain as is.

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 You know, we had the grant that allowed us to construct

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 that street and then Pecan Street, Austin Street,

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 Walnut Street, you know, we have different options, you know,

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 from the basic, you know, the fewest aesthetic, you know,

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 application to the enhanced and then the luxury.

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 So, and again, we're looking at construction could begin

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 as early as 2020.

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 Design would take, you know, this entire year

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 and then includes inflation and contingency cost.

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 >> There's-- excuse me.

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 There's a dumpster out behind Den Community Theater on Cedar.

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 Would that stay or go?

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 Assuming that we go to valet.

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 >> My guess is that if we went to valet

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 that that would be removed.

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 But, you know, there's a lot of flexibility in how we set

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 up the valet and what needs to stay or, you know,

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 that one's a little bit more out of the way than some

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 of the other ones, you know.

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 We can still-- we still have accessible sidewalks on Cedar,

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 you know, so that's, you know, there's flexibility

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 but I would imagine that the valet would take care of there.

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 >> Yeah, I've used those handicapped spots there.

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 And it is kind of gross if you're the parking spot closest

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 to the dumpster.

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 >> Yeah.

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 >> But I do like the improvements have been made to Cedar

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 because sometimes when we're going to the theater,

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 we have to park down at that parking lot by Old West

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 and go up the street and it's been much nicer.

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 >> Yeah.

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 >> Can I ask one more question about Cedar since that's kind

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 of what it kind of could look like in some respects?

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 It does look really good.

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 I was curious though, it still seems like it's kind of dark

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 on Cedar like the-- was the new lighting down there too?

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 >> No, the lighting that's on Cedar right now is the aggregate

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 lighting so it's the ones that we're looking at right now,

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 you know, are the more historic looking lights.

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 If I can get back to that.

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 So, like there on the right hand side there, that's more along

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 the lights that we would have there.

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 And I think if you looked at that parking lot,

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 you would see that it's a much better lit.

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 Cedar Street, it would be very easy to add a few more lights

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 to Cedar Street if needed.

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 >> You said Cedar is already done?

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 >> Yes, we received a grant a number of years ago

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 and so we did Cedar at a level that the grant allowed us

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 to construct it to.

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 But there are additional enhancements

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 that we could do to Cedar if--

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 >> Did you bring any pictures?

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 >> I'm sorry?

329
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 >> You got any pictures of Cedar?

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 >> No, but I could pull up-- I could pull up the internet.

331
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 >> I've got it up if you want to look at my computer, Jeff.

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 Do you want to look at it?

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 [ Inaudible Remarks ]

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 >> No, let me pull it up.

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 [ Laughter ]

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 >> It's a race.

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 >> I'm sorry?

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 >> It's a race.

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 >> We've got to win.

340
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 >> Come on.

341
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 >> Oh, no, pre-tem is pretty fast.

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 >> This computer is pretty slow too, so it has sidewalks.

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 [ Inaudible Remarks ]

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 >> Yeah.

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 >> I got another question.

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 >> On the city survey that was done,

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 did you have any questions about this, the MUSE?

348
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 >> Yes, the majority of the questions

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 in the survey related to the MUSE streets.

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 I mean, that was pretty much the driving factor.

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 There was one or-- we had three or four questions that talked

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 about the different areas like remote parking that was available

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 and the city a few years ago and so we put it

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 in the questionnaire was playing with the idea of maybe, you know,

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 would we get better turnover parking spots

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 if we actually put in meters around the square.

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 So we included some questions along those lines as well just

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 to get feedback and see what people thought of that.

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 >> What-- was there any consideration to cameras,

360
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 video for security?

361
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 >> No. We didn't address that in this one.

362
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 So mostly as far as security,

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 we were increasing the lighting and providing sidewalks.

364
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 >> What was the feedback on the parking spots?

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 >> People were very passionate about the parking spots.

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 >> About keeping them free?

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 >> A number of people were-- that was their main goal.

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 It was to keep them free.

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 There were a number of people though

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 that were-- that actually liked the idea.

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 They said, "We don't have a parking problem.

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 We have a walking problem.

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 You know, we need to be willing to walk a couple of blocks."

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 You know, and then maybe the ones, you know, we do meters

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 and then more handicapped accessible on the square

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 so that, you know, the majority of those are handicapped

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 and metered.

378
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 >> Right.

379
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 >> So-- or they're all metered and handicapped, you know,

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 doesn't have to pay into the--

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 >> You know, was it businesses that tended

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 to oppose the free parking or the idea of metered parking

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 or was it--

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 >> There were a few businesses that oppose that

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 but there were a few businesses that really said, you know,

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 it doesn't impact us one way or the other.

387
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 >> Well, I think it-- that's the thing I never--

388
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 I think it would impact them.

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 It would increase their business if we have metered parking.

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 But that's why I'm always surprised.

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 It seems like they advocate against their own interest

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 and people park their cars there who aren't their customers

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 for 12 hours at a time to, you know,

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 advertise flat earth, you know, theories and things.

395
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 >> Yes.

396
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 >> Instead of a customer.

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 So, anyway, I'm just curious because I think

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 that could be part of this ecosystem fixing some

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 of the parking walking issues within the ecosystem.

400
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 >> Yeah. I didn't get that far into the backup.

401
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 I did not complete my homework, I'm sorry.

402
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 But was there a recommendation--

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 did you get as far as a potential recommendation

404
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 for paid parking on the square?

405
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 >> No.

406
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 >> You just-- so far, you're just like--

407
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 >> We're just--

408
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 >> Running that up the flagpole.

409
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 >> You know, kind of putting our feet in the water to see,

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 you know, what would happen.

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 >> OK.

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 >> That was not supposed to be part of the muse

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 but we figured it was a good opportunity

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 since we're doing the survey.

415
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 >> To ask.

416
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 >> To ask the question.

417
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 >> OK. OK.

418
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:26,800
 OK. Yeah. Because I'm on that same page

419
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 of paid parking is not a bad thing.

420
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 And I think that-- I took a look.

421
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 So I've got ParkMobile, of course.

422
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 And so I was at Deep Elm the other night

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 and for four hours, I parked for $4.

424
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:44,840
 Now, you can-- on ParkMobile, you can comparison shop,

425
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 you know, just move your little body around

426
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 and see how much it is to park in Dallas and park in Denton.

427
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 All of the Denton sites are significantly more expensive

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 than Dallas.

429
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 >> Wow. Interesting.

430
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 >> Yeah. So comparison shopping.

431
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,360
 Denton is really-- it's the--

432
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 where there is paid parking not only downtown

433
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 because we've got a couple of ParkMobile spots downtown

434
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 Denton but at the university, I mean, just citywide, we're hot.

435
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 So that could be hurting the overall perception

436
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 of paid parking and that, you know, could be something

437
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 that if we re-evaluate the fee structure,

438
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 maybe more people would agree to paid parking.

439
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,280
 But that's just an editorial comment.

440
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:34,640
 >> Yeah. We've discussed that.

441
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 One last thing I'll say on it 'cause I'm very passionate.

442
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 I think there should be paid parking on the square.

443
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 But it would also move employees potentially,

444
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 the people who are familiar with the area who are employees

445
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 to the remote parking, there would be good options

446
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 to start using that as opposed to like the people who come

447
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 downtown every once in a while who don't know the area as well

448
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,600
 and would be willing to pay to park downtown.

449
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:56,480
 Okay. I'll quit.

450
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:57,480
 I know that's not your--

451
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,760
 >> It's not on our agenda but we have opinions.

452
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,280
 >> I think it's part of this discussion now.

453
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,040
 >> With all the new signs that have just been put down there,

454
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 people have commented even in the survey that it was much easier

455
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 to find the remote parking all of, you know, because there's,

456
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 you know, they're directed to it.

457
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:11,880
 >> Yeah.

458
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:12,480
 >> Which is nice.

459
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,600
 And there's I think 11 sites we counted that, you know,

460
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 within two or three blocks of downtown.

461
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:20,680
 >> Right. Yeah.

462
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,600
 Signs are great.

463
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,120
 >> One last parking for me in these new streets.

464
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:28,400
 Will you be adding some handicap spaces?

465
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,640
 >> I would imagine that we would put

466
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 in several handicap spaces sort of like what's on Cedar right now.

467
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,920
 There would be several that would be dedicated

468
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 to that along the stretch.

469
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:41,120
 >> Good.

470
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,160
 >> So, you know, as part of doing the design phase

471
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,920
 which would be the next phase after conceptual, you know,

472
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,640
 those are the types of things we would look at and, you know,

473
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,680
 there's criteria for how many, you know,

474
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 handicap spots you should have and we would, you know,

475
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 the design engineers would factor that in to their decisions.

476
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,240
 >> On the parking thing, would this be the two-hour parking?

477
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,280
 >> I'm sorry, the two?

478
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:06,400
 >> The two-hour parking.

479
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:13,120
 >> Oh, yes, this would remain the-- I think it would, yeah.

480
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,120
 Remain two-hour parking.

481
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,440
 >> And the enforcement responsibility would be

482
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,200
 the city of Denton?

483
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,760
 >> Yes, but right now, you know, the city has limited number

484
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,120
 of people doing enforcement, so they only make it

485
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,600
 down to the square maybe twice a year.

486
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,200
 So we're not--

487
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,240
 >> You said that out loud.

488
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,040
 >> I'm sorry.

489
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:41,400
 Yeah, I guess that's for everybody to know.

490
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,880
 But if we went to paid parking, you know, that, you know,

491
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,520
 and create-- you know, creates its own, you know, enforcement.

492
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,680
 And that, you know, creates an additional revenue stream,

493
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,080
 you know, that we could, you know, you know,

494
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,160
 add additional parking maybe or do something else.

495
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,400
 >> Not yourself a little parking benefit district right there.

496
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,280
 >> So this is Cedar Street.

497
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:07,080
 You can see the light.

498
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,600
 It's similar to the other one, you know, it's got a light

499
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,800
 on top but it's the aggregate poles which are a little bit

500
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,920
 of an older pole.

501
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,040
 Wait, are we looking at the same?

502
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,600
 Yeah, it's just--

503
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,400
 [ Inaudible Remark ]

504
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,360
 It probably was that style.

505
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,640
 The aggregate poles were around for a long time.

506
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,840
 We no longer install them.

507
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,840
 Any chance that we have to replace them, we replace them

508
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:40,360
 with the new concrete poles which are just a white pole.

509
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:47,480
 >> One thing on lighting, are there any dark sky friendly

510
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,680
 lighting that would fit into the design scheme

511
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:55,480
 of the old timey lights that we're installing instead

512
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,960
 of sending this light up into the sky directing it

513
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,240
 down to the ground?

514
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:04,000
 >> Yeah, that's probably a better question for DME.

515
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,880
 I mean, we could get them incorporated in this

516
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:10,800
 but these lights, I'm not sure what the selection criteria was

517
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,480
 for these lights, I don't know, Preetam, if you happen to know.

518
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,200
 They wanted historic-- they wanted nicer looking lights

519
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,640
 that looked more historic.

520
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,000
 >> So I think the original design

521
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,240
 for these lights the way they are went through a whole process

522
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,800
 of selection and I think it went to the--

523
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,400
 at the time, it probably went to the business association owners

524
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:38,280
 and this was selected as part of the historical district or area

525
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,600
 which means the downtown square and up and down Hank Green Oak.

526
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,720
 So that's where-- that's the only part in the city

527
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,320
 that these are installed.

528
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,800
 And I don't believe at this time that that is consistent

529
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,040
 with our dark skies or it could be modified and that's something

530
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:58,000
 that could be incorporated in our criteria

531
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,880
 when we move to the design phase.

532
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:00,200
 >> Yeah.

533
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,200
 >> That would be helpful.

534
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,280
 >> Yeah, I really second that and I'm also thinking

535
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,080
 about people who are more

536
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,120
 and more occupying apartments in the square.

537
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,640
 Like if you're right above that street light--

538
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:14,800
 >> Your bedroom is lit up.

539
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,120
 >> Yeah, you got a street light, I mean, which of course,

540
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,640
 that's the price to do a business.

541
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:19,960
 You know, if you want to live on the square,

542
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,680
 you've got those things happening.

543
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:27,040
 But the more we direct the light on the actual sidewalk

544
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:34,560
 and on pedestrians, it's just-- it looks better and it's better.

545
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,640
 >> So we're getting that in the minutes, right?

546
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:43,760
 [ Laughter ]

547
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,480
 >> So, you know, the railings, probably wouldn't have

548
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,640
 as many railings as they have along here, but, I mean,

549
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,280
 this does give you a little bit of an idea of what they're doing.

550
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,760
 You know, these are the basic enhancements that we would see

551
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,760
 and then you got planters on the corners, you know,

552
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,400
 which, you know, are nice enhancements.

553
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:10,760
 And then, you know, the nice tree grates.

554
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,760
 Some of this stuff, you know, is not-- there's nothing we can do about,

555
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,560
 you know, some of, you know, the features of these buildings

556
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,640
 because they are-- they were the back of buildings and--

557
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,360
 but this would, you know, increase the opportunity that people have

558
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,960
 if they wanted to open up a business on the new streets.

559
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,160
 It'd be a much more likely, you know, prospect to being able to do that

560
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,760
 because it now looks, you know, looks appealing, looks nice.

561
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:39,200
 There's not the bad smells from the trash and the grease traps.

562
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,360
 >> So, I think it was brought up but I didn't know if we got--

563
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,360
 would it be possible as part of doing this plan

564
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,160
 to just look at additional lighting on Cedar?

565
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,360
 I mean, it seems like it looks good, like the street looks good,

566
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,560
 but it is-- what's the feasibility of that?

567
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:55,280
 >> Oh, absolutely.

568
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,560
 I mean, we-- the design phase would be the next, you know, phase

569
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,640
 and I think they could definitely look at the lighting,

570
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,160
 what the current lighting is and, you know,

571
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,560
 recommendations to improve the lighting.

572
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,760
 And if they did that, they would also replace the aggregate, you know,

573
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,760
 poles with the newer poles or, you know, if we had, you know,

574
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,360
 a dark sky option that was a little bit nicer.

575
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:34,760
 I think this is where we were.

576
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,560
 So, the recommendations are to do the enhanced option,

577
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,160
 the middle of the road option and then depending

578
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:44,960
 on available funding, we could add in some of the other features,

579
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:45,960
 you know, that were shown there

580
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,560
 and that's basically the end of my presentation.

581
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:51,960
 Huh?

582
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,560
 [ Inaudible Remark ]

583
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:56,160
 >> One more slide.

584
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,160
 There we go.

585
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,160
 >> OK. I thought I mentioned them but, yes, Cedar Street remain

586
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,760
 as is maybe we just got as far as Cedar Street.

587
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,860
 Bacan Street, you know, looking at the basic enhanced and luxury,

588
00:35:05,860 --> 00:35:10,060
 it's sort of like a car, you know, your basic car and then, you know,

589
00:35:10,060 --> 00:35:16,060
 you upgrade as you go up and that those, you know,

590
00:35:16,060 --> 00:35:17,560
 we have a breakdown of the cost estimates.

591
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,160
 I didn't include that in the backup material

592
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,960
 but we do have a breakdown of the cost if anybody wanted to see that.

593
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,060
 >> What's the funding source?

594
00:35:25,060 --> 00:35:32,800
 >> The-- This was initially bond funded quite a few years ago.

595
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,720
 So, that would be the source of a portion of the funding.

596
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:41,560
 Costs have gone up since that bond was, you know, since that bond was done.

597
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:46,800
 So, there, you know, additional funding source we would have to locate.

598
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,660
 >> Is this part of the squares fund taxing district?

599
00:35:50,660 --> 00:35:50,960
 >> It is.

600
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,360
 >> Special taxing district?

601
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,560
 >> Yes.

602
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,760
 >> And there's no money coming from that?

603
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,960
 >> For the design, some of the design funding did come from that fund.

604
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:06,560
 For this conceptual phase, the money from that fund was used for the conceptual phase.

605
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:15,860
 >> So, I have a question about why you all originally thought

606
00:36:15,860 --> 00:36:21,260
 about making it one way going counterclockwise.

607
00:36:21,260 --> 00:36:26,060
 >> We were going to do one way with a bike lane, you know,

608
00:36:26,060 --> 00:36:28,400
 all the way around counterclockwise.

609
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:38,260
 But, the idea being there is, you know, we thought that it would be a safer option

610
00:36:38,260 --> 00:36:42,400
 and it would be a good opportunity for people to go around the block if they're, you know,

611
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:47,760
 they could, you know, come around the block again a little bit more easier.

612
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,860
 And there would be maybe greater visibility of the crosswalks.

613
00:36:51,860 --> 00:36:58,640
 And so, maybe a slightly more, you know, safe because you got a lot more visibility.

614
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:05,040
 There's a lot more, you know, open space where people have greater opportunity for visibility.

615
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,960
 So, that's-- but we were fought-- I shouldn't say fought.

616
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:15,760
 A number of people were vehemently against it and a lot of people were also--

617
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:21,540
 they wanted two lanes so that if a truck is there, you know, doing deliveries and blocking the lane,

618
00:37:21,540 --> 00:37:25,960
 they wanted an opportunity to be able to go around the vehicle.

619
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:31,960
 So, once we went back to two lanes, it didn't make sense to keep it in one direction and,

620
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:36,280
 you know, because a number of other people were thinking that that would hurt their business,

621
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,560
 that if somebody had to go around the block a couple of times to park near their business,

622
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,000
 that they might go somewhere else instead.

623
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,500
 >> I will say if the-- and you guys know I want bike lanes everywhere.

624
00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:51,680
 But I think if these lanes are snug and as they look like, this car should--

625
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,840
 traffic should move slow and it should be a safe place for bikes to interact with the traffic.

626
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,360
 So, I actually think--

627
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:58,320
 >> That was my question.

628
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,440
 What was the speed on these?

629
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,280
 >> They're set at 30.

630
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,300
 So, we would need an ordinance to be able to modify the speed and I don't know

631
00:38:08,300 --> 00:38:12,080
 that we're even entertaining that idea at the time.

632
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,880
 >> Has there been any discussion of having-- I've read recently a little bit about the idea

633
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:21,200
 of having a common downtown speed limit as it helps everyone, you know,

634
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,080
 because if people are-- if the speed limit is changing all around downtown,

635
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,360
 it makes it a little harder for everyone to get used to and figured out.

636
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:33,040
 But that-- a common speed limit can really be helpful in the downtown area and that could,

637
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:38,840
 you know, I don't know how that would extend to our arterials that are on the edges or not.

638
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:47,000
 But our-- at least starting with our other streets as a common speed limit then considered

639
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,320
 or is it more common than I realize?

640
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,400
 >> So, a couple of things, speed-- it's the other way around.

641
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,920
 Typically, what people think is if we set the speed limit,

642
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,880
 everyone is going to start driving that limit.

643
00:38:58,880 --> 00:38:59,120
 >> Right.

644
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,560
 >> It's not that way.

645
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,440
 It's more of what people are driving currently

646
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,400
 and feel comfortable based on the environment surrounding it.

647
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,240
 So, that's the way it functions and works.

648
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:15,000
 So, in order to calm them down, it's more of not just putting a sign up there

649
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,400
 but adding features that actually narrows the street down.

650
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:18,880
 >> Right.

651
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:23,800
 >> That way they feel more intimidated by the cars that are parked, more intimidated

652
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,360
 by the structures that are encroaching in the driveway and automatically slow them.

653
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:36,800
 So, if those elements are added which is what we're doing, bulb outs and mid-block neck downs,

654
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,000
 that helps and the parking does help.

655
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,000
 The lanes are narrow.

656
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,240
 I think they're 11 feet.

657
00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:41,840
 >> Yes.

658
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,400
 >> Yeah, they're not wider 12 feet or 14 feet.

659
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,600
 >> And I guess I was thinking more broadly than the new street-- streets but yeah.

660
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,000
 I mean, I totally agree that actually the design will do more to slow down cars

661
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,520
 but I could see it as like an accompanying thing, right?

662
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,880
 That a common speed limit would help people at least get that message at least

663
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:06,720
 until we can get control back of those roads that are, you know, designed as highways.

664
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:08,240
 >> We are getting there.

665
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:09,800
 >> Yeah, high locusts.

666
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,760
 >> And the bulb outs serve another feature and that is to help with fire.

667
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,280
 You know, if they needed to-- if there were fire, you know, they can set up their truck there

668
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:22,960
 and they can get their, you know, struts out, you know, so.

669
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,120
 >> Would you mark these streets as sharrows?

670
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:26,560
 >> As what?

671
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,280
 >> As sharrows?

672
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:28,880
 >> Yes.

673
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:29,480
 >> Yeah.

674
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,160
 >> Okay, I was thinking--

675
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:37,760
 >> I think most of the-- I mean, we pulled a number of bike riders, you know,

676
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:43,760
 and we have a new bike and pedestrian coordinator and it seems like the majority

677
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,720
 of them felt that the bike lanes, you know, in this type

678
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:51,200
 of situation didn't provide them as much of an advantage, you know, but doing the shared lanes.

679
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:56,600
 They were interested in the shared lanes aspect of it, you know, in this case.

680
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,400
 >> I think it's consistent with what Daniel was saying.

681
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,440
 You're comfortable more to share the road given the way the features

682
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,760
 and elements are laid down on the street, so.

683
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:10,120
 >> Yeah. That's the way I behave on these streets.

684
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:22,000
 >> So I have a question about then on Piccon, I believe it is, coming from, okay, Locust.

685
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,680
 There-- the steps, you're talking about the steps in the sidewalk

686
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:35,920
 and how would we mitigate that rise and it's also taken into consideration

687
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,920
 that that's right up against a building.

688
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:46,080
 So how is that-- would that become-- that sidewalk become an at-grade sidewalk

689
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,960
 or how would we work that?

690
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,480
 Because there's a real big rise there on Piccon.

691
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:57,120
 >> Yes. Parkway.

692
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:02,720
 >> Have you gone past it?

693
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:04,760
 >> Right up above Dark Edge.

694
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:14,880
 [ Pause ]

695
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,960
 >> So, yes, we have the steps along here.

696
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,920
 Essentially, the way that we would do it is the sidewalk area

697
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,120
 on this side would be much wider.

698
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,800
 And so we would have a, you know, a differential elevation there.

699
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:33,200
 We would allow some ramps to go up to the doors that are back there and then beyond

700
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,240
 that would be the actual sidewalk.

701
00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:37,720
 >> Okay. Good.

702
00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:41,160
 >> But that is, yeah, definitely a concern, you know, through this whole.

703
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:45,040
 >> Okay. That will maintain ADA compliance and everything.

704
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,200
 >> Okay.

705
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:55,200
 [ Pause ]

706
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,960
 >> I have a small trivia question.

707
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,520
 What kind of trees are you guys talking about for those spaces?

708
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,600
 >> I am not a landscape architect.

709
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:09,000
 I must admit, I would defer to the landscape architects or our urban forester.

710
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,320
 You know, they'll have recommendations on the type of trees that, you know,

711
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,960
 that would be appropriate for, you know, the amount of exposure that they have.

712
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:23,240
 But, yeah, I stayed at Holiday Inn Express once but, yeah, I'm not a landscape architect.

713
00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:26,360
 [ Laughter ]

714
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:32,280
 >> So I read the comments about, you know, the written comments from,

715
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,760
 probably from the web survey.

716
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:39,760
 And there were a lot of comments about perceived safety.

717
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,240
 I'm interested in whether, you know, there's always a discrepancy

718
00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:44,960
 between perception and reality.

719
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:54,240
 And I am interested in what the reality of the, you know, crime is on the square.

720
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:58,160
 Because there were a lot of comments from people saying they don't want to park

721
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,880
 in the remote lots because of their perception of safety.

722
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:09,240
 I'm curious because, it's not my perception but, you know, that's just me.

723
00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:11,320
 I never feel unsafe.

724
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:18,520
 And, but the frequency with which people commented upon a feeling of,

725
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:23,560
 or they think they're going to feel unsafe, getting that far from the square.

726
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,120
 And I'm just wondering whether we have crime stats.

727
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,120
 I don't expect you to pull that out right now.

728
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:38,960
 But if we, in order to encourage people to park at the remote lots,

729
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:47,440
 then we have to go ahead and play to that perception of public, of public safety.

730
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:52,680
 Whether, whether it's a reality or not, we have to make people feel safer.

731
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:58,040
 So that's where I think that we really do need to look at super enhanced lighting.

732
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:03,800
 And, you know, really make people feel like they're going to be safe.

733
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,120
 You know, are there any, and again, I'm interested in the stats on that.

734
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:13,360
 And whether we could even start advertising, you know, look, you're safe down on the square.

735
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:19,640
 Or whether, you know, if there's a chaperone service that at closing time,

736
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,520
 because I did notice, you know, women said, you know, I bartend.

737
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,160
 I'm walking to my car with tips.

738
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,520
 I don't want to park remotely.

739
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:26,760
 >> Right.

740
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:34,160
 >> And whether there's any way that we can mitigate the potential, you know,

741
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:40,400
 the fear that may be unjustified or, you know, even if it's not justified,

742
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,200
 we still have to deal with that perception.

743
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,840
 I don't know what you want to do with that, but.

744
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:53,040
 >> Police department definitely has statistics that we can, you know, take a look at.

745
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:58,800
 And see how much, you know, crime is actually happening, you know, in this region.

746
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,240
 So, but, yeah, I think, you know, the more light, yes.

747
00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:06,080
 I think people, you know, feel, you know, when it's illuminated,

748
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:10,000
 they don't feel like somebody's coming out of the shadows or is lurking in the shadows.

749
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:10,480
 >> Right.

750
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,640
 >> So, yeah, so more illumination is definitely better.

751
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:18,400
 >> Yeah, because it's definitely to the advantage of the square to encourage people

752
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,320
 to park in the remote parking lots.

753
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:28,640
 And it is an advantage to businesses as well if people will do it and feel comfortable doing it.

754
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,640
 So, I'm going to agree.

755
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,000
 That was one of the things, because I read through the comments also that I noticed,

756
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:40,240
 and particularly as a woman, you know, you feel more vulnerable than maybe Amanda's.

757
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:46,720
 And, you know, I honestly don't, I don't, I'm not out at 2 in the morning in Denton, but,

758
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:52,280
 you know, maybe 1030, and I don't ever feel unsafe, but at the same time, I'm with you.

759
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:57,960
 Like, I will park remotely, but there are spaces in Denton where there's, the lighting is poor.

760
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:04,960
 So, I realize that this is about the Meuse streets, and this is not about remote parking right now,

761
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:10,600
 but I do feel like, you know, it would be helpful if there was additional lighting

762
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:16,000
 that go towards the remote parking.

763
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:23,360
 >> We do currently have a TIF project underway where we're doing sidewalks and we're doing lighting.

764
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,320
 Oak and Hickory, we're doing lighting from the square to Carroll.

765
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:35,320
 And then we're doing lighting on Elm, north to Parkway from the square, and then on Locust,

766
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:40,640
 we're going all the way to McKinney and adding lights throughout that whole corridor.

767
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,880
 So, there's some more lighting coming to portions of the square.

768
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:45,400
 >> Great.

769
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:56,800
 >> Anyone else have any questions?

770
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,520
 >> Well, thank you for your consideration.

771
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:02,680
 I appreciate it.

772
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,640
 >> Do we need to make a recommendation?

773
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,160
 >> Is this okay?

774
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,880
 >> Just following the rules, Jim.

775
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,160
 >> I'm right here.

776
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,240
 Give the staff direction.

777
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:18,240
 >> Direction or recommendation?

778
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:20,360
 >> Direction, yes.

779
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:26,880
 >> Direction, it's more of, are you on board with what direction we're going in?

780
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:33,400
 And are comfortable or do you want, you know, just to have your opinion as a committee,

781
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:39,440
 would you rather see one-way streets or bike lanes or all that other stuff that we've kind

782
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,320
 of weeded out and we've selected this moving forward?

783
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,880
 >> How do we weigh in on the options?

784
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,760
 Obviously, there's different price points there.

785
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:52,440
 Is that something we're commenting on or is it-- right, because it would change based

786
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,200
 on those options on how much we're spending on it, correct?

787
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,440
 >> Correct.

788
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,480
 >> So currently, our recommendation is enhanced.

789
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,720
 It's not the basic one.

790
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:06,720
 And if you want, you can recommend the luxury option

791
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:08,480
 but it just changes the parking spaces.

792
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,440
 It doesn't change that much and put some--

793
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,240
 >> Well, parking doesn't change between the options.

794
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:15,680
 >> Parking space is, in a sense, the enhancement.

795
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,160
 Just the stained concrete.

796
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,720
 >> The stained, okay.

797
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:20,920
 >> And a tree, additional tree.

798
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,600
 >> It was additional trees, yes.

799
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:31,560
 >> How much would that string lighting add to the project if we went with the enhanced?

800
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,320
 >> I would need to look at-- I didn't bring the cost estimate with me.

801
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:40,760
 I need to look at that but I can't imagine string lighting is actually that expensive.

802
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,400
 >> Some of these alleys have real economic potential and so I do think like--

803
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,640
 and I don't know if this goes in stages but like the string lighting could be ways

804
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:52,080
 to really create, you know, placemake to create a space in those alleys and some

805
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:57,800
 of them are succeeding with dumpsters right in front of it which is actually pretty amazing.

806
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,960
 And so anyway, I'm not saying what we need to do that now but it just--

807
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,000
 it seems like something even worth considering.

808
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,680
 I know string lighting sounds funny but I think they could be real draws for people

809
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:12,600
 and the string lighting would invite it and be like come off the square into this area too.

810
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,800
 >> Yeah, I'm seeing maybe some sidewalk tables and service out there

811
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:21,840
 and that this actually becomes a gathering and destination spot.

812
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,520
 Is there room for the-- for patios?

813
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:28,200
 >> There would be room in some of the-- some of the areas, yes.

814
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:29,080
 >> OK. OK.

815
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:34,320
 >> As a matter of fact, when we did our survey monkey, that was one of the options

816
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:39,120
 that we presented was having patio, you know, type seating outside the restaurants.

817
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:46,400
 >> Yeah. And depending on what's allowed by code in terms of murals and other paint jobs,

818
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:53,320
 the way I believe Warren Lutt did the electrical boxes behind cart rights

819
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,000
 and those were pretty neat.

820
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,600
 >> Yes, those were hand painted.

821
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,560
 >> Yeah. He did a good job on those.

822
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,880
 >> We're hoping that the, you know, the wraps, the vinyl wraps that go

823
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,080
 around the transformers will also, you know, look a lot nicer

824
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,760
 than the standard green color that they are now.

825
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:14,880
 >> Well, I don't know how it fits in the overall budget but, I mean,

826
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:21,240
 I'm not against like the more expensive and the more expensive options for really making these,

827
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:25,320
 you know, but if we're going to do it, to go all the way and really make them special spaces.

828
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,080
 So, I'm not against that recommendation.

829
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,880
 >> Yeah. Not against that recommendation.

830
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:35,520
 >> I know. It's a-- it's a good head-- it's a good hedge when someone gets mad at me

831
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,760
 about taxes or something like that.

832
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:44,640
 >> Well, I'm all for the additional tree because ultimately, you know,

833
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:51,720
 it's going to create shade and then cut down on maybe some air conditioning cost maybe.

834
00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:54,320
 >> And we did have a number of people, you know,

835
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:59,040
 that really wanted to see the additional shade structures.

836
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:03,760
 So, that was, you know, a big appeal to a number of people.

837
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:08,400
 >> And I mean, in the end, the council have to determine whether-- what they can afford.

838
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,560
 So, recommending it just as saying that we're--

839
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:12,560
 >> We like it.

840
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:13,760
 >> Yeah, we like it.

841
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:19,200
 >> And if it's doable, then-- so, I'm in favor of the luxury layout option.

842
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,080
 >> I like the luxury too.

843
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:24,480
 >> Yeah, I think if funds are available, that's what you could say, if funds are available,

844
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:30,120
 some elements we can look into incorporating some elements of the luxury option.

845
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:34,560
 >> It sounds like the tree is what's-- oh, sorry.

846
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,640
 I don't speak that often.

847
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:41,080
 It sounds like the tree is more the favor for the luxury.

848
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:41,920
 >> It's a good one.

849
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,560
 >> As opposed to the paving coloring, is that correct?

850
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:46,280
 Is that what I'm hearing?

851
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:46,840
 >> Yeah.

852
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:47,040
 >> Yeah.

853
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,440
 >> It's not that you want the luxury, it's that the trees were more important.

854
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,640
 >> Yeah, but I mean, I do-- I think the--

855
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:53,560
 >> The contrast.

856
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,920
 >> Yeah, I'm not like-- again, it's not something I'm like really that worried about,

857
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,240
 but I think it can create a nice aesthetic though.

858
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:05,960
 The-- what is it, how do you say it, like the coloring of the pavement?

859
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:06,880
 >> Yeah, the stain.

860
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,320
 >> Stain, that's right.

861
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,200
 I think that can help to also like give character to the area.

862
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,000
 So I'm in favor of that too, but, you know, again, it's council.

863
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,640
 If we had to prioritize, we could do the trees first.

864
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:24,360
 >> Yeah, and the trees also help with that visual reminder to slow down.

865
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,560
 It helps with traffic calming.

866
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,040
 And yeah, the stamped and stained.

867
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,520
 >> Yeah, all of those elements there too.

868
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:32,200
 >> Yeah.

869
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:38,360
 >> The lighting, even the stained sides will cause people to take a look at it and slow down.

870
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,880
 [ Inaudible Remarks ]

871
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,320
 >> That's our recommendation.

872
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:51,320
 >> Funds pending, we prefer the luxury option.

873
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:52,520
 >> Always.

874
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,000
 >> Thank you very much.

875
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,280
 >> All right, thank you.

876
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:06,360
 >> All righty, that brings us to item 1C, TSC 19-016, which is staff reports.

877
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,720
 >> Okay, a couple of things.

878
00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:14,520
 I want to start with the street construction report, point out a couple of important things.

879
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:21,320
 Mayhill Road, it was planned to be switched to the northbound lanes,

880
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,960
 the brand new ones that are constructed.

881
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:29,120
 And it was planned to happen this morning, but given the temperatures that plan was pulled out,

882
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,680
 it's going to happen tomorrow.

883
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,600
 So all the traffic is now switching to the new lanes.

884
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:39,480
 They'll start constructing the older, and they'll demolish or take out the old lanes

885
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:44,040
 and put in newer pavement in that area and then construct the bridges

886
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,800
 and whatnot needed over the creek.

887
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,040
 So traffic switch is happening on Mayhill.

888
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:54,320
 We're moving forward as scheduled, so things are going.

889
00:54:54,320 --> 00:55:00,080
 The other thing I want to point out is another traffic switch that is happening this month is

890
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:05,680
 on 35E in front of Buckies or on Brinker.

891
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,760
 So there is a lane switch happening.

892
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:16,160
 The entire traffic, the freeway traffic, both northbound and southbound lanes are switching

893
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:23,040
 to the new bridges, both on Brinker as well as Loop 288.

894
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:23,840
 They're working on it.

895
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,320
 They're wrapping up the Loop 288 approaches.

896
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,680
 I think the Brinker approaches are already wrapped up.

897
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:36,800
 But once that lines up, the entire freeway traffic moves and then they are going to start working

898
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:42,960
 on under the bridges, both Loop 288 as well as Brinker will be their priority

899
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:48,880
 to actually make the connection for Brinker and then upgrade the drainage

900
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:54,680
 and everything under the loop so they have to raise the actual Loop 288 street level

901
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,880
 because it's so low that water just floods there.

902
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,080
 It doesn't go anywhere.

903
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:04,240
 So to make it drain, you can notice that the current height of the bridge is pretty high.

904
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:08,440
 The new bridge is higher, much higher than the existing bridge.

905
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,840
 So that's what will be happening.

906
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:18,800
 I think they'll be working under the bridges through the summer and their next deadline most

907
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:24,320
 likely is sometime in summer to open up the Brinker connection and make it a full interchange.

908
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,440
 So that's what's happening.

909
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:33,120
 Originally, March 9th was the switch for I-35E, but they're kind of behind

910
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:38,720
 with the temperatures and weather delays, but it's going to happen this month.

911
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:44,640
 That's what I, at least for now, you know, two main switches on the construction projects.

912
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:52,680
 And then we can talk about the matrix.

913
00:56:52,680 --> 00:57:03,080
 Item number three, we just heard the presentation, so I might want to take that off.

914
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,960
 And then item number five is happening this week.

915
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:13,240
 So we are putting in the stripe at, well, changing it at Eagle.

916
00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:19,240
 So that way you can easily turn it in and out and it makes it much more better and safer

917
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,360
 for cars not to back out when the bus is turning especially.

918
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,640
 So those two are happening.

919
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:31,800
 We are working on gathering information for the item number two,

920
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:37,360
 which is the, you know, collision reports for pedestrians.

921
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:41,080
 And we started looking at the data.

922
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:49,320
 There's a lot of data and there are certain intersections that we have started identifying

923
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:56,800
 and talking about light is that is the easiest and fastest way to address some of these concerns.

924
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:03,440
 So we're pulling out intersections that may have some collision data

925
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,320
 that is dependent on, you know, visibility at night.

926
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:15,240
 So if these, we've identified them and now we're looking for or going to find funds to,

927
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,520
 if light exists, increase the amount of wattage so that it's brighter

928
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:24,160
 and if it doesn't, see how we can install lighting at some of these intersections.

929
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:31,160
 There, I think the important one is the two intersections on Carroll, Hickory Oak.

930
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:35,440
 There is light but it doesn't light up the whole thing.

931
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:40,040
 It doesn't light up the corners where the pedestrians are or the sidewalks really well.

932
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,960
 So we want to increase the intensity.

933
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:48,200
 Currently, the wattage is, I think it is 250 watts.

934
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,560
 We're going to raise it to 400.

935
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:54,120
 That will increase the amount of lights.

936
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:59,520
 There are a few intersections on US 380 that we want to increase the light on.

937
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:05,040
 Carroll and 380 is one location.

938
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:09,480
 There's Alice, there's Malone, so we're going to take it one step at a time.

939
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:13,480
 So that's what we're working towards on this particular item.

940
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,840
 But we'll bring a report and discuss all these.

941
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,720
 Just wanted to give you a quick update of where we're going.

942
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:23,480
 Any other questions on the matrix or we can add?

943
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,440
 >> Yeah, I'd like to ask a question if I could, please.

944
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:35,360
 On the I-35 transition or exchange, switch, do you anticipate any positive traffic flow changes,

945
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:39,200
 no change or negative changes for that?

946
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:44,480
 >> Positive for some people, negative for some others.

947
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:52,000
 So on the 35E, I think it will be a much positive change,

948
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,640
 especially for the people that are using the freeway.

949
00:59:55,640 --> 01:00:03,120
 The section between the loop and Mayhill has been an old pavement for years,

950
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,040
 even after the completion of the widening project.

951
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:10,480
 So once they make the switch, this will be brand new pavement for starters.

952
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,960
 So there are no potholes, no issues.

953
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:22,360
 And the other thing is the lanes won't merge or be dropped or have some ramps that are,

954
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,880
 I wouldn't say substandard, but ramps that are really short.

955
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:31,360
 All of those issues, the safety concerns will be eliminated for the freeway riders.

956
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:38,480
 As far as brinker connection opening, that will reduce some traffic off of the loop.

957
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:42,920
 So some of the traffic that's arriving at 35 in the loop will probably,

958
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:48,640
 the southbound folks will use brinker to get to the interchange and go south on 35E, so.

959
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,920
 >> Right, I guess my question was more the highway itself.

960
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,400
 I mean, obviously the brinker in Mayhill is not going to be done for a while, so.

961
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:54,800
 >> Correct.

962
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:55,440
 >> Yeah.

963
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:56,240
 >> But highway is--

964
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:57,200
 >> The traffic flow.

965
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:01,960
 >> Traffic flow, the ingress and egress ramps will be much different.

966
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:05,080
 Right now they're construction, they're still in construction.

967
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:09,120
 So the size of the ramp, the length of the ramp, they're short

968
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,360
 and it's because of the construction constraints.

969
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:16,360
 So once the switch happens, all these will go away.

970
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:20,080
 The new connections are consistent with the final plan.

971
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:24,960
 So once the switch happens and the northbound lanes open,

972
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:29,000
 the exit and entrance ramp will be standard tech stock ramps

973
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,520
 that are much longer at the appropriate location.

974
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:33,880
 So they'll be a positive--

975
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:35,880
 >> In the short term, it's going to be a positive change right now.

976
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:36,360
 >> Correct.

977
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:37,520
 >> Thank you.

978
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:42,040
 >> I have just two quick comments.

979
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,920
 I'm trying to make sure the matrix just has my concerns on it, which we're--

980
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,240
 we're almost there.

981
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:48,520
 >> Yes, take it over.

982
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,400
 >> I'm getting really close.

983
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:51,320
 Okay, two questions.

984
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:55,600
 We-- I think we've discussed this before, but maybe I admit I-- I'm not sure if we ever talked

985
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:56,560
 about why, the reason why.

986
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:01,280
 I was curious about why there's-- or what the possibilities are for a crosswalk

987
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,240
 on the north side of Hickory at Bell.

988
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:08,200
 So right now it's just on the south side where the-- this is where DCTA is, right?

989
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,320
 You get off the train, you walk straight across that sidewalk,

990
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:14,040
 but the other side doesn't have a crosswalk across.

991
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:14,520
 >> Correct.

992
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:22,000
 >> So that intersection is currently under design for replacement of a new signal.

993
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:29,200
 So we're going out to bed in the-- in the next couple of weeks on the signal contract.

994
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:36,120
 So there will be 11 signals and out of the 11, one of the signals is Hickory at Bell.

995
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:36,720
 >> Okay.

996
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,800
 >> It has old equipment we need to redesign and once that redesign happens,

997
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,520
 there will be a crosswalk as part of that.

998
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:42,800
 >> Perfect.

999
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:44,400
 >> And then there has to be a--

1000
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:48,400
 >> And that's the reason it probably went away because you've got the same answer of it.

1001
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:49,400
 >> Okay. Okay.

1002
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:50,240
 I don't know if we ever put it on--

1003
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:50,600
 >> I can put it in--

1004
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,440
 >> We may never put it on the matrix actually, but-- okay.

1005
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,240
 Then my other one, this is relevant to the one on checking on cars.

1006
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:00,560
 So I walked from-- we now have a new coffee shop, right?

1007
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:02,400
 The people will go maybe walk between.

1008
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,200
 So I walked from the Golden Boy coffee shop.

1009
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,560
 You haven't been there down Elm.

1010
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:10,440
 And it's pretty much the same issue as one block over that I already have

1011
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,760
 on here at Hercules Mulfur and Radiator.

1012
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:13,920
 This is actually a good case.

1013
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,480
 The cars are literally only parked on the sidewalk.

1014
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:17,600
 They don't even go off of it.

1015
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:18,920
 They're like right on the sidewalk.

1016
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:23,680
 So they're using the sidewalk as a place, as an alley to park cars.

1017
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,680
 So this is-- but this is similar.

1018
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,280
 So I think we need more enforcement in the areas kind of--

1019
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:29,560
 >> So Elm at where?

1020
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:35,800
 >> And so it's on north-- it's just north of McKinney on Elm.

1021
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:39,280
 >> The TIF project is making improvements to that.

1022
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:40,680
 >> To that, those sidewalks.

1023
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:42,080
 >> So that they can't park there.

1024
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:42,880
 >> Yeah. Okay.

1025
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,240
 And so I had previously reported one--

1026
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:46,320
 these are just for me walking.

1027
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:47,200
 I noticed them.

1028
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,840
 But, you know, they probably haven't been told in a while not to park across them.

1029
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,400
 But this one I found interesting because they weren't like parked--

1030
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:58,800
 they were parked like horizontally with the sidewalk or using it as parking spaces.

1031
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,800
 So-- which just again, it makes it unclear for pedestrians where to go.

1032
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:05,040
 And it's particularly harder for anyone with strollers, wheelchairs,

1033
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:06,080
 or any kind of disabilities.

1034
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:09,400
 They're having to navigate through their parking lot to get to it.

1035
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,720
 So that was the only other thing.

1036
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:15,640
 And so-- and I used the Engaged in App, by the way, to report that one.

1037
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:17,560
 I don't know how that process is working.

1038
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:22,040
 I will say if this feedback is helpful to anyone, it's submitted,

1039
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:25,240
 but it kept buffering when I did it.

1040
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,760
 And so it had to actually submitted.

1041
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,960
 And so then when I went to-- I tried to do it three times.

1042
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:31,880
 I closed the app.

1043
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,840
 And then when I went to my email, I submitted it three times.

1044
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,480
 So it was going in.

1045
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,280
 It was just showing me a continued buffer.

1046
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,880
 And I don't know if that's my technology or my VPN

1047
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:43,880
 or something messing with it.

1048
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,000
 I have no clue.

1049
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,160
 >> OK. You wanted to make sure that we got it.

1050
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:52,080
 >> Well, I didn't think it was going through because it never quit.

1051
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:54,040
 It just would keep buffering.

1052
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:59,120
 Yeah. So I know now to check my email before I submit a second time.

1053
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:02,600
 >> So we'll add this on the matrix and then come back with a response.

1054
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,360
 There are a couple of responses, but I'll put it in.

1055
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:06,080
 >> Thank you.

1056
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:06,440
 >> Yes, sir.

1057
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,480
 >> I want to ask the group if you all have any interest in this.

1058
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:16,720
 You know, when UNT comes to the parking about UNT police taking over the parking.

1059
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,400
 >> Your mic, please.

1060
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:22,440
 >> When UNT comes to-- and we've been very accommodating

1061
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:26,080
 to let the UNT police department take over the parking on Hickory,

1062
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:29,360
 on Wilshire, and some other places.

1063
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:33,560
 And they're not enforcing the parking.

1064
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:42,320
 I drive a bus down Hickory every day and what they're not doing is they're not towing the cars

1065
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,480
 that are parked illegally on the end.

1066
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:49,440
 So when I'm making a turn with a 35-foot bus, you know, and most of our accidents

1067
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:55,440
 over there are hitting a fixed object on coming up Eagle, on Crescent, at different places.

1068
01:05:55,440 --> 01:06:01,040
 So my point is this, next time that UNT comes with a request

1069
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:10,280
 that we invite chief rentals to come and talk to us about what, you know, what his plans are.

1070
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:15,720
 >> It is good timing, they're asking personally.

1071
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:16,240
 >> Everybody?

1072
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:16,560
 >> Sure.

1073
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:18,520
 >> Yes, that would be great.

1074
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:19,280
 >> All right.

1075
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:22,000
 >> Yeah, we can definitely have someone from UNT come in.

1076
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:27,360
 It could be the transportation department along with the PD, so everyone.

1077
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,280
 Because I think some of them is through the transportation department.

1078
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,760
 I don't know how that works enforcement-wise.

1079
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:35,600
 >> Lots of things we can discuss with them.

1080
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:40,040
 Bike lanes, scooters, we got all kinds of stuff.

1081
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:41,920
 >> Oh, wow.

1082
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:47,240
 >> Well, and then you got the thing going on if you're with the bicycle lanes and, you know,

1083
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:49,560
 all that's, maybe some of that will be resolved by that time.

1084
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:50,280
 >> Yeah.

1085
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:56,720
 >> You know, if they take out all those businesses on, you know, over on the other side on Eagle,

1086
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:03,320
 there's a lot of, there's four streets to be parking on, you know.

1087
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:07,880
 >> Yeah, I think we, I can talk to UNT and put something on the agenda.

1088
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,960
 But we need to know exactly what we want to put on the agenda

1089
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:15,400
 because we cannot talk outside of the, that particular.

1090
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:20,520
 So if we want to add bike lanes, if we want to add parking.

1091
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:25,840
 >> Well, that's why I said, wait until they come with another proposal.

1092
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:29,640
 I think they've already emailed me about something, so.

1093
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,920
 >> Okay.

1094
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:33,240
 >> I have a question for you.

1095
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:34,360
 >> Yes.

1096
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:42,080
 >> Okay. So on Locust, before you get to Hercules, there's a new development.

1097
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:48,200
 And they have put in sidewalks on the outside of that development that would be

1098
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:51,560
 between the development and Locust.

1099
01:07:51,560 --> 01:08:02,000
 And then the development right before it, on the south side of that, there is sidewalks also.

1100
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:03,920
 But then it goes to the drainage ditch.

1101
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:08,520
 Like the sidewalk goes all the way to the drainage ditch and ends.

1102
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:11,480
 And there's nowhere for you to go.

1103
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:17,440
 Now, on one side of that is where they put the new bike walk lanes.

1104
01:08:17,440 --> 01:08:19,480
 They put a new bridge in.

1105
01:08:19,480 --> 01:08:21,880
 Awesome, awesome, awesome, I love it.

1106
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:25,720
 But I'm kind of wondering, like if you were to head down that road and you don't know that's

1107
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:33,400
 in there, you just end at the sidewalk and then you would have to either go way back down

1108
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:40,640
 to that bridge or you get on the Textot Road, Locust, and walk across to Ephra's Park.

1109
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:45,960
 So I'm curious, like, was there any plan for this or was this just one of those things

1110
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:50,240
 like it was, you had to put it in and they did and then they were done?

1111
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:51,720
 Does that make sense?

1112
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:57,960
 I'm not sure I get where the location is.

1113
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:07,160
 So if you go to Ephra's Park and then there's some town homes, I guess.

1114
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:14,000
 And then there's the drainage area and then the McKamey.

1115
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,440
 So there's sidewalks.

1116
01:09:16,440 --> 01:09:21,520
 Yeah, go north.

1117
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:27,960
 Yeah, so there's sidewalks from that McKamey area right there, right, yeah, see that little

1118
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:35,920
 sidewalk and then it ends and then I'm curious, is there any plan to do anything with that?

1119
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:41,700
 Because you can get, because otherwise how do you get across?

1120
01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:51,040
 You can go all, if you go west, you can get to the bridge and go across, but otherwise

1121
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:58,040
 you'd have to get, the quickest thing would just be get on Locust and walk to the park.

1122
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,480
 So I'm curious if there's any plans to do anything with that or if that's, because I

1123
01:10:01,480 --> 01:10:07,840
 know like these town homes, maybe that property is owned such a way that you couldn't put

1124
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:08,840
 anything there.

1125
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:09,840
 I don't know.

1126
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:14,360
 Yeah, let us look into it and then come back with a...

1127
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:15,840
 Because there's, see where that truck is?

1128
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:22,400
 There's a crosswalk right there, which is awesome, but there's sort of like this area

1129
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:28,040
 where if you were walking from those homes, the quickest way would be to get that, but

1130
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:35,000
 you can go in, you can go west and there's a bridge down in there and there's that one,

1131
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,240
 but you don't, I mean...

1132
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:41,200
 So you're talking about the west side gap?

1133
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:42,200
 Yeah.

1134
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:47,480
 Let us look into this and see what our options are.

1135
01:10:47,480 --> 01:10:48,480
 Okay.

1136
01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:52,480
 I mean, can you see that little, they have the bridge to the left right there where they

1137
01:10:52,480 --> 01:10:54,280
 have all the new bike.

1138
01:10:54,280 --> 01:11:00,960
 Yeah, there's that one and then there's the other one there, which is awesome, but I suspect

1139
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:05,360
 a lot of people may not, if they're walking down that way, they're not gonna know, may

1140
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:09,400
 not know that's over there.

1141
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,240
 No.

1142
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:12,240
 Let us look at it.

1143
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:13,240
 Okay.

1144
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:14,240
 Okay.

1145
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:23,160
 Anybody else want to add something to the matrix?

1146
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,680
 Yeah, let me get my thing up here.

1147
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:35,120
 I had a couple of things from a couple of citizens and we've probably talked about Alice

1148
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,640
 and university before.

1149
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:47,920
 This particular citizen bicycles over to Kroger in the shopping area and also walks over there.

1150
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:54,920
 And last time she was walking over there, she was heading back south to Alice.

1151
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:59,060
 She was having a lot of trouble crossing the street.

1152
01:11:59,060 --> 01:12:06,040
 Three cars almost hit her as she was crossing the street as they're making a left turn to

1153
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:10,880
 go west on 380.

1154
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:14,800
 And having driven out of that parking lot and stuff, is there anything we can do to

1155
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:22,640
 help with signaling or anything on Alice and to give maybe a little bit more time for people

1156
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:27,200
 to cross Alice to go over to that area for shopping?

1157
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:31,040
 So you're saying that there was no pedestrian phase?

1158
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:33,800
 There is, I believe there is a pedestrian phase there.

1159
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:37,680
 Yeah, but she was having problems because cars just weren't seeing her.

1160
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:38,680
 Yeah.

1161
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:39,680
 I agree.

1162
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:45,400
 I think that needs to be a more important pedestrian crosswalk.

1163
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:52,320
 And there is a lot of turning at that intersection because it goes into Denton Center.

1164
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:56,200
 It goes into Denton Center parking lot.

1165
01:12:56,200 --> 01:13:02,840
 And it's not an intersection that if you're coming-- that people frequently just go straight

1166
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:04,840
 ahead on, no matter where they go.

1167
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:05,840
 They're turning.

1168
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:09,760
 There's a lot of turning that goes on at that intersection.

1169
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:14,040
 And I think that it is currently poorly lit.

1170
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:19,760
 And so that even if there is a pedestrian signal there, it's difficult to get across

1171
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:24,400
 in time if you are indeed not sprinting.

1172
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:32,160
 And it also doesn't call attention to itself as an important place for people to safely

1173
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:33,160
 cross.

1174
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:34,160
 As a pedestrian.

1175
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:35,160
 Yeah.

1176
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:36,160
 As a pedestrian.

1177
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:37,160
 Yeah.

1178
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:38,160
 And really on a bike.

1179
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:39,160
 Yeah.

1180
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:43,640
 Well, all of university is really bad for pedestrians and bikes.

1181
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:49,600
 But I wonder if a good starting point would be to pick the most logical intersection to

1182
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:54,520
 really make more friendly and more inviting for a crossing point for people coming from

1183
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:56,760
 T.W.U. across and people going to Kroger.

1184
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:58,360
 I think Carroll may be it.

1185
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:01,360
 Like Carroll where Kroger is maybe the best one.

1186
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:06,440
 But it might be like identifying let's pick one intersection and make it really more walkable

1187
01:14:06,440 --> 01:14:08,760
 and do all the little things we can.

1188
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:12,520
 And then hopefully people will start using that one to cross if they're even in the vicinity.

1189
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:19,640
 But what's tricky about that space is because all the businesses between Alice and Carroll

1190
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:25,280
 because it's mostly like there's like an auto body place there and there's restaurants there.

1191
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:29,720
 And so to me it's just like it's all parking lot.

1192
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:33,280
 You know so people there's a lot of cars.

1193
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,760
 So I don't need I don't know that I would feel I mean you have to be really like you

1194
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:43,020
 have to have your head on a swivel and making sure that you know people are seeing you and

1195
01:14:43,020 --> 01:14:44,400
 you're visible.

1196
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:49,080
 It's almost even like thinking about I'm not saying thinking planners for this area because

1197
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:52,160
 I don't think it makes sense but some kind of things that like give you an enclosed space

1198
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:55,240
 like as you're waiting for the intersection does that kind of make sense like when you're

1199
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:56,240
 leading up to it.

1200
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:57,240
 Maybe that's trees.

1201
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:00,040
 Maybe that's I don't know what the answer is but I think there's got to be something

1202
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:04,200
 that could help pedestrians because you feel vulnerable like I mean if you've ever stood

1203
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:08,280
 on university you feel very vulnerable cars are going by high speed you just you don't

1204
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:09,280
 want to stand there.

1205
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:12,560
 So psychologically people probably just don't even try it.

1206
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:16,860
 And I've tried because I'm on bike and I tried to convince my wife to like you know ride

1207
01:15:16,860 --> 01:15:20,480
 our bikes to the movie tavern and she just is like no I'm not crossing university she's

1208
01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:21,720
 just refused.

1209
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:26,680
 So if we could pick one intersection to make clear I think that would just be a possibility

1210
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:29,480
 but I don't know maybe that we just need to fix it all I don't know.

1211
01:15:29,480 --> 01:15:33,280
 That seems unrealistic to happen that's why I'm thinking if we can pick one and fight

1212
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:39,560
 for that maybe we could but yeah totally I mean it needs some kind of you need to delineate

1213
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:43,560
 where the parking lots start where the sidewalks are and have like clear boundaries between

1214
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:45,520
 those and I think that's what would help pedestrians.

1215
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:51,720
 Yeah because cars are not looking for for pedestrians or bicyclists right yeah.

1216
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:56,600
 I mean maybe I don't know I don't know what the what the answers would be there.

1217
01:15:56,600 --> 01:16:01,120
 We can look into some options yeah.

1218
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:04,200
 The second one is communication from another citizen.

1219
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:09,960
 I'm just going to read what she wrote I've been meaning to bring this up for a while.

1220
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:13,480
 The corner of Congress in Oakland is extremely dangerous.

1221
01:16:13,480 --> 01:16:18,680
 There's a really bad blind spot that a lot of people speed or unaware of right by Emily

1222
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:19,680
 Fowler Library.

1223
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:23,680
 If you know the area Quaker Town Park is across the way.

1224
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:27,380
 Lots of kids dogs pedestrians bikes and cars.

1225
01:16:27,380 --> 01:16:32,560
 From the other direction North one is TWU students that are parking and it blocks the

1226
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:33,560
 view also.

1227
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:36,600
 I've lived by this spot for six years.

1228
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:42,480
 I and many people I know have been there have been hit almost hit many times.

1229
01:16:42,480 --> 01:16:46,840
 There needs to be a stop sign before someone is hurt or killed.

1230
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:52,440
 I'm really surprised has anything been done really already such a busy public city traffic

1231
01:16:52,440 --> 01:16:58,240
 area and I'm trying to remember if there is a stop sign it I think there is an Oakland

1232
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:07,640
 isn't there Congress Congress has a stop Congress yeah I don't know that stop sign on Oakland

1233
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:14,360
 would necessarily be right way to go but and we don't even have a sidewalk in front of

1234
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:18,120
 Emily Fowler on Oakland right it starts on the other side yeah but on Oakland you don't

1235
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:22,080
 even have a sidewalk so you literally as a pedestrian just have to walk right into the

1236
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,880
 parking lot.

1237
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:31,160
 So we do have long-term plans for Parkway and Oakland to be road diet because it doesn't

1238
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:37,040
 need four lanes right once we have the road diet there'll be a center line for cars to

1239
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:42,280
 just cross one area and have a refuge area before they cross into the through traffic

1240
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:49,280
 so long-term there's a plan we just want to evaluate I'm aware of that and we're working

1241
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:54,640
 on some collecting some data understanding how it works.

1242
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:59,200
 When you say long-term how long is long-term?

1243
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:03,440
 We just have to go through the process.

1244
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:11,000
 Now I think part of that project is removing signals at Parkway both Elm and Locust and

1245
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:16,800
 that's where the long-term comes in it because we have to deal with tax time yeah at this

1246
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:21,440
 point if once we prove and go through the process that those intersections don't need

1247
01:18:21,440 --> 01:18:27,920
 to be signalized they can be stopped signs on Parkway then it's a matter of restriping

1248
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,360
 the whole thing.

1249
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:36,640
 I don't know if any traffic calming would help that or not it's just something okay

1250
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:41,280
 the just one question were bike lanes ever considered for I'm always curious what where

1251
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:45,480
 is it okay I was always I've always thought wondered where would the bike lanes from TWU

1252
01:18:45,480 --> 01:18:50,120
 to the Square B Oakland or do you try to make Bell work seems like Oakland's always been

1253
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:51,120
 more logical.

1254
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:52,120
 Oakland's always logical.

1255
01:18:52,120 --> 01:19:01,240
 All right nothing nobody else anything for the matrix sounds kind of light to me but

1256
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:04,680
 we can adjourn at 650 thank you.