1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,060 >> Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. 2 00:00:04,060 --> 00:00:07,760 This is the Planning and Zoning Work Commission session. 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:11,600 It's a special called session for February 13th, 2019. 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,120 I'll call it to order having a quorum at 406. 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,760 The first item is to receive a report and hold a discussion 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,680 on the DIT and Development Code update and draft zoning map. 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,840 It says Ron will start the presentation. 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,920 Is that accurate? 9 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:29,640 >> Hi, my name is Scott McDonald. 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,200 I'm the Director of Development Services. 11 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,840 I'm absolutely pleased to be here to present 12 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:37,920 to you this evening. 13 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,720 You can call me Ron. 14 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,520 This is the last in a series of updates 15 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:49,240 to the DIT and Development Code. 16 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:54,960 So, we originally started this process in September of 2017. 17 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,000 It came to you in a series of modules. 18 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:03,560 What we have now is we've been working on a consolidated draft. 19 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:08,480 That consolidated draft has been a process through staff 20 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,360 and ultimately meeting with the Development Review Committee, 21 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,240 which is a collective group of three council members, 22 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,840 three Planning and Zoning Commission members. 23 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,080 And we've met over 25 times. 24 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,840 We've gone through this at a very granular level. 25 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:29,240 We've done a page turn and I think we've probably went 26 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,360 through every sub-chapter, chapter two 27 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:37,080 to three times going through all of this. 28 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:44,440 I think that as we go through this, we've had legal council. 29 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:49,440 Our fortunate for us, our legal department has contracted 30 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,680 with outside legal council. 31 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:58,280 We had a land use expert, Ms. Brenda McDonald has been present 32 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,920 along with Jerry Drake I think at most all of the sessions. 33 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,720 They've provided legal review as we've gone through it as well 34 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:07,760 as Brenda is doing a comprehensive legal review 35 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,440 and providing those comments to our legal team. 36 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,040 The draft version that will come 37 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,480 out on Friday will not include all of legal's comments, 38 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,120 but as we go through the public vetting process, 39 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,680 legal will complete their review and make certain 40 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,240 that we're compliant with all of the statutes 41 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,160 that we're looking to go to. 42 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,560 >> Commissioner Beck. 43 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:31,160 >> Thank you. 44 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:32,600 The draft is going to be available 45 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,120 to the public online, correct? 46 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:35,200 >> Online Friday. 47 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:35,640 >> Correct. 48 00:02:35,640 --> 00:02:40,920 >> Additionally, we've had stakeholder meetings. 49 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:45,080 We've conducted over 50 meetings going through this process 50 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,120 of looking at each of the modules, the code overall 51 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:55,160 and discussing any certain specific areas people had 52 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,200 interest in and/or just giving the concepts 53 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,320 that Clarion's going to expose to you a little later today. 54 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:07,040 Additionally, we will be having two work sessions, 55 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,000 both two work sessions at council, two work sessions 56 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,400 at P and Z and walk through in greater detail. 57 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,680 We'll start with chapters one through five 58 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,800 and then we'll work through chapters three through six. 59 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:27,440 Just as a part of that, I think it's important 60 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,240 to note what we're not going to talk about tonight 61 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:35,640 and that's going to be a series of specific sections 62 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,800 that will be incorporated into the code, 63 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,040 so it'll be an integral part of the code. 64 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,600 It just isn't going to be necessarily part of what 65 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,960 that draft that you will see on Friday. 66 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,000 There may be some elements in there, 67 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,480 but what we'll be bringing under separate ordinance will be 68 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,320 that of a tree and landscape code, which we're going 69 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,520 to dub the landscape and conservation code. 70 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:01,200 That comes before P and Z on March the 5th. 71 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,320 As well, we'll have the downtown design standards. 72 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,880 Most of these topics you've already had a work session on 73 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,720 and so it's not entirely new material to you, but we're hopeful 74 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,440 to have it in ordinance form and to be able to pass 75 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,120 in advance of the development code and then we'll be able 76 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,280 to incorporate those elements into the development code 77 00:04:21,280 --> 00:04:23,600 when we get to the adoption draft. 78 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,200 With that being said, we're also going to talk 79 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:30,320 about community homes, residential treatment facilities, 80 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,480 looking at that a little bit more granular. 81 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,720 We do have elements of that in the draft code, but as a result 82 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:42,440 of some of the council input and some current developments 83 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,320 that we have underway, we're just going to make sure 84 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,560 that we're exploring that. 85 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,640 Last week, we did talk some about collegiate housing, 86 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,320 dormitories, student-built purpose, 87 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:57,000 student-purpose-built housing and so we're going to come back 88 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,080 with that and make sure that we're vetting that fully. 89 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,880 Our citizen participation procedures 90 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,280 and ultimately voted in parking regulations. 91 00:05:06,280 --> 00:05:11,160 So, I just want to make sure just to be clear 92 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,920 that we're not really going to get into those details, 93 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:15,480 Clarion is not going to get into those details. 94 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,520 They might broach the topics some as we go through this 95 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:25,040 and their guidance is really to talk about the adoption schedule, 96 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,040 the project goals and kind of an overview 97 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:28,120 of what the code looks like. 98 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:29,800 Some of that you've already heard. 99 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,920 This is a vigorous schedule. 100 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,200 It's deliberate and intentional. 101 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,280 We have done a lot of work. 102 00:05:36,280 --> 00:05:39,200 The council committee has done an awful lot of work 103 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,600 and ultimately the team that's done that work, 104 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,360 we'd really like to see them carried over the finish line. 105 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,800 So, it's been pretty painstaking for them to sit inside 106 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,520 of meetings and talk about fences for five hours 107 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:55,280 and so if we can keep the momentum that we have today, 108 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:59,160 I'm confident that we have a code that's much better 109 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,720 than what we have currently on the books today even 110 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,360 in its draft form but we know with the upcoming meetings 111 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,120 that we have scheduled and the input 112 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,800 that we've received already that when we get 113 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:14,360 to the adoption stage that we should have a very good code 114 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:15,960 for us to work with. 115 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,720 So, with that being said, I'd certainly welcome any questions 116 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:25,440 that you may have of me before I introduce our guests. 117 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:26,600 >> Commissioner Ellis. 118 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:27,480 >> Thank you, Chair. 119 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,000 Scott, on Friday I know the draft will be available. 120 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,280 Is the draft zoning map as well? 121 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:33,920 >> Correct. 122 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,240 Yes. And the tree 123 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,320 and landscape code is out and available as well. 124 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:48,200 So, you can get to that under cityofdenton.com/treecode 125 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:56,680 or /cls, conservation landscape standards. 126 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,200 >> And they'll be getting it Friday. 127 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:00,720 >> Yes, in your packet. 128 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,640 So, okay, so with that being said, 129 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,880 if there's no other questions, I'd love to introduce our guest 130 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,280 which is Clarion. 131 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,320 Matt will begin. 132 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:13,960 Matt Goble, which I think you all know, 133 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:18,920 as well as we have Jim Sprung and Tarik Wafai. 134 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:23,800 >> All right. 135 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:32,120 >> Commission members, good to see you all again. 136 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,040 Is this our new version? 137 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,400 >> Oh, I'm sorry. 138 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:39,080 >> Good to see you all again. 139 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,520 Thank you for the time, the opportunity to present. 140 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,280 Again, Matt Goble with Clarion Associates. 141 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,680 The goal of this presentation is to bring you up to speed 142 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,200 on everything that we've been doing with the development code. 143 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:49,560 So, this is an exciting milestone. 144 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,440 We are getting close to delivering an important revised 145 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:53,360 draft to you all. 146 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,120 So, the presentation is going to cover several things. 147 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:57,000 First of all, I'm going to walk you 148 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,760 through the project schedule, focusing a little bit 149 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,680 on where we've been, but primarily focusing 150 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,960 on where we're going over the next couple of months 151 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:05,360 because there's, as Scott said, 152 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,360 a pretty vigorous schedule moving forward. 153 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,120 Then my colleagues and I are going to walk you 154 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:10,600 through the key changes in the document 155 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,000 that you'll be seeing on Friday, 156 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,960 just to give you an overall sense of the structure 157 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:15,200 and the key changes. 158 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,760 And then we'll conclude by talking about next steps 159 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,800 and have plenty of time for discussion. 160 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,480 As I said, I'll start with the process and just a little bit 161 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,600 about kind of where we've been. 162 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,200 As you recall, we have been working methodically 163 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,320 through the drafting process and we did it through kind 164 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,720 of thematic modules where there are three modules. 165 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,960 One focused on zoning districts and uses, 166 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,200 one focused on administration and procedures, 167 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,160 and one focused on development standards. 168 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,000 For each of those, we have been working first of all 169 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,840 with the staff to develop a good solid draft of a new code 170 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,400 and then refining that draft 171 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,520 and carrying it forward for public review. 172 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,160 The public draft has been the subject of open houses. 173 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:52,240 It's also been the subject 174 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,440 of the DCRC meetings that Scott mentioned. 175 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,640 So, appreciate the contributions of Commissioners Ellis 176 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,800 and Roselle and back to that DCRC committee. 177 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,880 As Scott said, over 25 plus meetings by that committee 178 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,080 so far just on reviewing the draft of the code. 179 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,280 Throughout the entire process, there's been an ongoing effort 180 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:11,840 at public outreach as well to make sure 181 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,440 that folks understand what's in the new code. 182 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,400 We've actually now gotten to the far right side of this slide, 183 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,000 the consolidated draft. 184 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,080 And so the next slide here just breaks that down 185 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,720 in a little bit more detail about where we're going from here. 186 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,400 You're going to see the revised code, the full code posted online 187 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,760 and delivered to you on Friday of this week, the 15th. 188 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,280 The consolidated draft will be accompanied by a refined version 189 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,640 of the zoning map and then we're going to go 190 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,680 into an intensive period of work sessions 191 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:42,720 that will be moderated by the staff. 192 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,280 And you all have two meetings scheduled on the 20th and the 27th. 193 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,640 Council has separate work sessions scheduled 194 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,200 on the dates that you see there. 195 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,000 The intent for these meetings is really 196 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,720 to give you all an opportunity to follow up, if you would like, 197 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,480 in more detail on any of the topics that we raised today. 198 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,280 So we're happy to answer questions today 199 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,920 but once you get the draft on Friday, you might want 200 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:04,600 to dig further into some things that you see. 201 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,960 And so that's the intent really of those meetings 202 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:08,720 on the 20th and the 27th. 203 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,640 I'll mention this again at the end of the meeting. 204 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,880 But in advance of those work sessions, if you could try 205 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,280 to give staff a heads up on the things that you might like 206 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,920 to focus on, that would just be helpful to them in terms 207 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,400 of preparing their time. 208 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,800 There is a-- we're setting a deadline of the end 209 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:25,960 of the month, end of February. 210 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,400 So 1st of March for comments to be due to staff 211 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,200 on this February 15th consolidated draft. 212 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,080 That's going to be comments from the public, comments from you all, 213 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,320 comments from the council and other staff. 214 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,280 That's going to give an opportunity then for us 215 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:43,120 to turn around a revised document on March 15th. 216 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,280 And that should be pretty close to final at that point. 217 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,480 That should hopefully be a very solid document. 218 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,680 There's going to be ongoing outreach throughout this entire 219 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:53,080 effort but there's really going to be a targeted set 220 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,520 of public outreach meetings after that March 15th date 221 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,520 where the staff will hold some office hours and some open houses, 222 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,200 meet with neighborhoods, things like that. 223 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,160 They'll have more details for you on that later on. 224 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,360 But then the deadline for comments 225 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,160 on that draft will be March 22nd. 226 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,520 We will then turn around the adoption draft 227 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,160 on March 29th with a zoning map. 228 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:15,800 The adoption draft is going to look different. 229 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,680 It's going to actually be the time when we strip 230 00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:20,160 out the footnotes, we strip out the commentary, 231 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:21,760 I have final illustrations. 232 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,280 That's the document that's really going to look 233 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,080 like the final version will look like. 234 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:31,040 The intent right now is to move forward with adoption hearings 235 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,200 that you all have tentatively put on your calendar. 236 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,800 You can see there April 10th for P&Z review and recommendation 237 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,040 and then April 23rd for city council. 238 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,320 It is a vigorous schedule but as Scott mentioned, 239 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,760 this just reflects a lot of effort 240 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,120 that the current team has already put in place 241 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,200 and they're hoping to carry it across the finish line. 242 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,360 While they're still in office. 243 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,920 There is a project website listed here. 244 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,080 We have been encouraging the public to check 245 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:59,440 out all the project documents 246 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,600 on the website throughout the course of the project. 247 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,880 I guess let me pause right there. 248 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,960 Any questions or comments just on the schedule moving forward? 249 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:08,480 >> Commissioner Beck. 250 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:09,240 >> Thank you, Chair. 251 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,760 That March 29th, that's just posting the draft online. 252 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,120 There's not meetings. 253 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:14,520 >> Yes, sir. 254 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:15,800 That's just posting the document. 255 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,360 >> Right. Thanks. 256 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:21,760 >> Okay. All right. 257 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,040 With that, let's start moving into the substance. 258 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,040 Later in the presentation, we're actually going to walk you 259 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,640 through sub-chapter by sub-chapter. 260 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,280 But before we get there, just a little bit more background 261 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,280 on the overall goals of the project and why the city wanted 262 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,560 to update the Denton Development Code. 263 00:12:35,560 --> 00:12:37,000 This is just my intro slide. 264 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,520 I'm going to walk through each of these in more detail. 265 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,680 But at a high level, when the city conceived of this project, 266 00:12:41,680 --> 00:12:43,920 these are the things that the city identified 267 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:45,520 as wanting to accomplish. 268 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,280 So let me walk through each of these goals in some more detail. 269 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,480 First of all, implement the plan. 270 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,640 This is why a lot of communities around the country want 271 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,160 to update their zoning codes. 272 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,960 They've put a lot of time and resources and energy 273 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,080 into preparing a new comprehensive plan 274 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,760 like the Denton Plan 2030. 275 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,000 But you don't necessarily have the toolbox, the zoning toolbox 276 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,040 to address all the ideas in that plan. 277 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,240 And so that's the purpose of this project. 278 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,160 A key one was to give you that better toolbox. 279 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,360 That's the central diagram on this slide, the new kind 280 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,360 of city-wide set of tools to implement the policies identified 281 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:19,080 in the plan. 282 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:20,840 And then on the far right, you've got a zoning map 283 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,600 which actually carries forward the city-wide policies 284 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,200 and applies them on a property-specific basis. 285 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,240 So this is at a fundamental level one 286 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,400 of the key reasons why the city is doing this. 287 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,640 Now we've talked to a lot of folks and they're saying, wow, 288 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,960 it's been a long time since we looked at the comprehensive plan. 289 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,960 And so we just added a couple of slides just 290 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,840 to remind the public especially what the scope is 291 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:41,920 of a comprehensive plan. 292 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:43,400 And it really is comprehensive. 293 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,200 It covers a lot of different things. 294 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,480 It's not just the typical land use topics 295 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,200 that we'll focus on today but everything from mobility 296 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,640 to the health and strength of neighborhoods 297 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:54,480 to community health and issues like this. 298 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,000 There's a broad array of topics that you all have addressed 299 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,720 as part of the comprehensive plan. 300 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,040 We really throughout this project, the Denton Code, 301 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,040 are focusing on the land use element. 302 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:06,800 And I know you all are familiar with these but just 303 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,560 as a reminder, the goals at a high level in the Denton Plan 304 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:13,920 for land use are organized around this kind of grow idea, 305 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,840 grow compactly, grow with purpose, grow our assets. 306 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,920 Each of these is fleshed out with specific objective statements. 307 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,760 These all provide the policy foundation 308 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:23,960 for what we've done here. 309 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,080 So grow resourcefully talks in the plan about the need 310 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,080 to protect Denton's sensitive natural assets. 311 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,920 That provides the foundation for the ESA standards 312 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,480 and the other types of environmental protection standards 313 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:36,480 that we'll talk about. 314 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,480 Grow with character and grow with balance talk about the need 315 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,280 to update all the zoning district classifications. 316 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,200 And so that's actually what we've done as part of this project. 317 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,360 So we didn't just start from scratch. 318 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,760 We actually built this document off the policy direction already 319 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,560 agreed to by the community. 320 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,720 So that's an important foundation. 321 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,880 Another project goal is just user friendliness. 322 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,960 Now, if you've spent time with the code recently as an applicant 323 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,720 or as a reviewer, I know you've all spent time as a reviewer, 324 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,120 you know it is a really challenging set 325 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:08,160 of documents to use. 326 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:09,640 It's not just one document. 327 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,160 The rules for development in Denton 328 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,440 are scattered across multiple ordinances in different places. 329 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,400 There are redundant provisions, some of which are obsolete. 330 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,320 And it should have been repealed a while back, 331 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:20,560 but they weren't. 332 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,840 On the left-hand side, these are all screenshots 333 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,440 of some of the new code, a prior version. 334 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,360 And this just gives you a sense of the tools 335 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:31,160 that we've introduced to make it an easier document to use. 336 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,720 First of all, table of contents, it's all in one spot. 337 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,760 You're not going to have those multiple ordinances. 338 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,840 It's a cleaner, one-stop shop, all the definitions 339 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:40,120 are in one place, for example. 340 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,840 You don't have multiple definitions of the same term. 341 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,520 That's not rocket science, but that kind of organization 342 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,720 is a key improvement to just the overall rules of the road, 343 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,320 rules of government in Denton. 344 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:53,880 As a separate project, and we're not 345 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,440 going to cover it too much here today, 346 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,840 but there is a separate repeal effort going on. 347 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,400 So all those other things that are 348 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,560 inconsistent with the new DDC that I mentioned, 349 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,960 those are going to be repealed as part of a parallel effort. 350 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:07,920 Now, also as part of the user friendliness, 351 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,600 you can see we've added a lot of graphics and summary tables, 352 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,000 things like that, to make it just an easier document to use. 353 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,360 You'll hear, for example, about the new zoning districts, 354 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,840 where we've introduced them with clear purpose statements, 355 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,720 clear diagrams of typical development patterns, 356 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,680 summary tables of standards like building size, lot size, 357 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:25,520 things like that. 358 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,680 So it's an easier document to look at. 359 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,920 You're going to have more illustrations in the document 360 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,080 that comes out on Friday. 361 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,360 You're going to have even more illustrations in the versions 362 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:34,360 that come out after that. 363 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,000 So once we get the text in place, 364 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,720 that's when we really get into the illustration development 365 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,680 strongly. 366 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:45,440 Another goal of the code is to move from a one-size-fits-all 367 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,640 approach in terms of development quality 368 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,240 to a more tailored approach that recognizes 369 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,480 that Denton is a big place. 370 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,480 It's a big city with different complex areas. 371 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,240 And you need different development standards 372 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,560 for the downtown, say, versus Hickory and Welch. 373 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,440 You need to think about different character types, 374 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,400 place types, in the community and create 375 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,720 a code that is tailored to protect and perpetuate 376 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,840 those different character areas. 377 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,160 So you're going to hear more about this from my colleagues. 378 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,120 But a big goal here was to move away 379 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:17,720 from a one-size-fits-all approach, which you have now, 380 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,280 and give you more options for addressing different areas 381 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,600 in the community. 382 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,720 Another big project goal was to modernize the review procedures. 383 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,880 If you recall, way back when we started this project, 384 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,560 we did an intensive series of interviews. 385 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,360 Many of them were with folks that have developed in Denton. 386 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:37,160 And one of the biggest concerns we had 387 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,800 was the process is not transparent. 388 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,400 They don't feel like it's consistent all the time. 389 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,520 They would like more standardization 390 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,000 of the rules for how applications are processed. 391 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,480 And so we have introduced a lot of tools through this project. 392 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,880 For example, like this table on the left-hand side-- 393 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,880 I know that's fuzzy, but this is a screenshot 394 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,760 of a procedures table that lists all the different procedures. 395 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,160 And what's the role of the P&Z, and what's 396 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:02,320 the role of the city council? 397 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,480 And just trying to provide some overall clarity 398 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,280 as to who does what, because you really 399 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,840 don't have that in your current set of ordinances. 400 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,320 And then on the right-hand side, a screenshot 401 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,520 of some common review procedures that we've introduced 402 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,360 with those flow charts that give you 403 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:19,040 a very clear sense of the typical process 404 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:20,640 that an application goes through-- 405 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,920 application submittal to staff review to P&Z action, et cetera. 406 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:26,920 There is a tailored version of that chart 407 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,520 for all the different types of procedures in the code. 408 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,520 Again, just trying to provide a little bit more 409 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,320 standardization and clarity and predictability. 410 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,480 Because we heard from folks that say, 411 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,840 we'd rather go to competitors than develop in Denton, 412 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,520 because the process is hard to get through. 413 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,800 And so we're trying to address some of those concerns 414 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,240 by modernizing the procedures. 415 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,160 So that's a lengthy introduction, 416 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,480 but it's important to kind of lay the foundation of some 417 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:51,960 of the key things that we're trying 418 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,720 to accomplish in the project. 419 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,240 So with that, my colleagues and I 420 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,440 are going to start just walking you through methodically 421 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,440 at a high level the different subchapters. 422 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,520 And I'm not going to read all these bullets to you. 423 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,120 We're going to post this presentation online. 424 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:04,960 But just wanted to hit some of the high points 425 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,120 that you're going to be seeing in the document that 426 00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:10,760 comes out on Friday. 427 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,880 Subchapter 1, general standards. 428 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:13,800 This is dry stuff. 429 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,000 This is for the lawyers. 430 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,120 But it's really important. 431 00:19:16,120 --> 00:19:18,040 It lays the foundation for the code. 432 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,080 It's the overall statement of applicability, 433 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:21,880 the overall statement of purpose. 434 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,920 What are some of the things that we've done here? 435 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,800 For example, bullet 3, more specific enforcement 436 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,160 provisions. 437 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,800 We have clarified in the code what constitutes 438 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,360 a violation of the DDC. 439 00:19:32,360 --> 00:19:35,160 We've clarified what the process is when someone alleges 440 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:36,360 that there's a violation. 441 00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:40,280 We've added to the list of remedies and penalties 442 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,160 that are available if there's a violation. 443 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,480 All that's been fleshed out. 444 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,760 This bullet down here, new DDC won't 445 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,280 make legally established single family, townhome, 446 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:50,920 or duplexes nonconforming. 447 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,560 This is the subchapter that deals with nonconformities. 448 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,640 The things that were legal when they were first established, 449 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,640 but are no longer legal under the new code. 450 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,160 This is the result of a policy discussion that the DCRC had. 451 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,240 And they wanted to make sure that as the new code goes 452 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:07,640 into a place, they focused on those existing properties. 453 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,260 And they're going to be deemed conforming moving forward, 454 00:20:10,260 --> 00:20:11,760 which is an important distinction. 455 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,000 And they're not nonconforming. 456 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,680 This is the section of the code that has transition standards 457 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,440 as well, from the old DDC to the new DDC, 458 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,640 just clarifying how you're making that leap from one 459 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,560 set of regulations to another. 460 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,240 So a lot of things here, we're going 461 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,360 to come back and talk about these nonconforming site 462 00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:30,800 feature thresholds later in the presentation. 463 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,240 So it's dry stuff, but it's really important. 464 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,480 Lays the foundation. 465 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,520 Moving into subchapter two, we get 466 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,400 into the administrative procedures in the code. 467 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:42,480 Who does what? 468 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:43,600 What's the role of staff? 469 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,560 What's the role of the P&Z? 470 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,600 You've seen the summary chart. 471 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,840 As I've said, we've provided a lot more predictability 472 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,400 and transparency here. 473 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,040 A few things that I'll highlight. 474 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,560 I talked about the common review procedures on a prior slide. 475 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,320 I showed you that chart that has just kind of the green arrows. 476 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,600 And there's a consistent flow chart 477 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,560 for all the different procedures. 478 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,240 One of the things that you'll see in there 479 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,200 is a new citizen participation provision. 480 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:11,680 And what that's going to basically say 481 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,360 is that for bigger projects, there 482 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:15,840 is a strong encouragement that an applicant goes out 483 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,680 and talks to the neighborhood before they 484 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,480 file an application to get feedback 485 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,760 on the general concepts before they finalize something 486 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,880 and put it into the pipeline. 487 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:30,240 That's going to be new for you all to look at. 488 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,520 We've got the site plan review procedure. 489 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:33,840 We've talked about that before. 490 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,880 We distinguish major site plans versus minor site plans. 491 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,640 And there's updated thresholds for what's major versus minor. 492 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,920 Updated approval criteria for all the application types. 493 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,120 Cleaned up plotting procedures to align with state code. 494 00:21:48,120 --> 00:21:50,520 So a lot of important stuff here. 495 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,720 We just had a meeting with the DCDA, the Denton County 496 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:55,840 Developers Alliance. 497 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,800 And this is really important stuff to them 498 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,960 because the predictability of the process and the transparency 499 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:05,920 is a key source of their frustrations 500 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,400 with your current ordinances. 501 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,440 Some of the other things to highlight here, 502 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,040 plan developments. 503 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,320 So right now, you're doing MPCs, Master Plan Communities, 504 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:15,920 in Denton. 505 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,440 That's the tool to step outside the code 506 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,520 and do a big negotiated development. 507 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:21,880 Those are going to stay in place. 508 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,720 None of those MPCs will change. 509 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,640 But moving forward, we've got a revised tool. 510 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,720 And we're calling it planned development. 511 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,960 And there's a simplified review procedure 512 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,720 for how someone can propose to rezone to a planned 513 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,360 development. 514 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:37,760 Go through you all, first of all, for a recommendation 515 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,880 and then to counsel for a final decision. 516 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,760 The new code is not going to have a minimum size on PDs. 517 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,400 And so you could, in theory, do a smaller planned development 518 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,120 versus a larger planned development. 519 00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:51,360 Other communities have found that important for smaller 520 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:54,800 infill sites, for example. 521 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,000 Flexibility and relief is an important part of the code. 522 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,600 We want to make sure that it's not just a flat set of rules, 523 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,800 but there are opportunities to consider 524 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,680 individual circumstances. 525 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,560 Minor modification is a tool that's been introduced. 526 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,040 And I'm just going to jump ahead to this slide. 527 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,480 This is intended to replace the ADPs. 528 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,080 The ADPs that you have now, we've 529 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:19,540 heard, are so open-ended that they're not transparent. 530 00:23:19,540 --> 00:23:21,720 They're not predictable as to what might be allowed. 531 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,960 And they're open to abuse. 532 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,960 And so this is intended to provide a more predictable box 533 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,640 within which minor deviations can be allowed. 534 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,920 So it allows the final decision-making body 535 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,720 to approve minor modifications from dimensional or numeric 536 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:36,720 standards. 537 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,040 I'll come back to this slide, but just jumping ahead, 538 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,080 this is the table, the current table, 539 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:47,040 that shows the standards from which a minor modification 540 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,360 could be considered. 541 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:50,360 For example, you come in at the plotting stage, 542 00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:53,640 and you consider a modification to minimum lot area of up 543 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,040 to 10%. 544 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,960 At the site plan stage, you consider a modification 545 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,640 to a setback standard of up to 10%. 546 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,840 We see these in communities all across the country. 547 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,840 These are a good tool to provide a little bit of flexibility 548 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,640 to keep someone from having to go all the way to a variance 549 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,680 or maybe even to a plan development. 550 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,640 This is a site-specific way of kind of greasing 551 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,200 the wheels for small projects. 552 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,200 Commissioner Beck. 553 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,040 Thank you, Chair. 554 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,920 Matt, are you saying then the ADP will go away completely, 555 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,560 or it's not going to be around for things bigger 556 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,200 than this minimum stuff here? 557 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:31,320 That's correct, Commissioner. 558 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,920 The ADP is not carried forward in the current draft. 559 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,520 There's a variety of tools that provide flexibility. 560 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,360 So you've got the minor modifications. 561 00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:40,840 But also, you're going to hear later in the presentation, 562 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,120 we've introduced a lot more menu-based standards 563 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:45,480 and optional approaches in the development standards 564 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,080 to provide more-- 565 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,680 there's just different ways of getting 566 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:49,840 to the goal of the code. 567 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,760 But ADP, as it currently exists, is not being carried forward. 568 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,920 OK, but it will be handled-- changes 569 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,600 that need to be done beyond these limits here. 570 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,400 You will have mechanisms to handle those. 571 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:01,880 Great, thanks. 572 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,000 Just a final point on this-- you can't do anything 573 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,200 with the minor modification. 574 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,200 Here at the bottom, you can't change your use, for example. 575 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,600 That's too big. 576 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,400 Minor modification is for small stuff. 577 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,640 And so you can't deviate from the ESA standards. 578 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,520 You can't deviate from floodplain regulations. 579 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,240 So there's public improvement standards. 580 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,320 There's some big stuff that you can't change. 581 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,440 Minor modification is intended to grease the wheels 582 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,280 for those smaller deviations. 583 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,320 So with that, let's keep moving. 584 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,960 And we're going to move from the procedures 585 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,000 into the zoned districts and the uses 586 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,600 allowed within the districts. 587 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:36,960 With that, I'll give it to Tarek. 588 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:43,480 Chairman, members of the commission, 589 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:44,480 nice to see you all again. 590 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,640 Tarek Wafai with Clarion Associates. 591 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,360 I'm going to talk about the middle piece of this, which 592 00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:54,240 is really a fundamental part of how the DDC works. 593 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,320 What can you do on your property, and where can you do it? 594 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,480 How big can the buildings be? 595 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:02,520 How far from the street? 596 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,760 All of those things are in these two subchapters 597 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,320 on zoning districts and use regulations. 598 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,320 So we're going to walk through at a fairly high level 599 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,160 and just explain some of the key changes, 600 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,840 just like Matt did with the procedures, 601 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,360 and Jim will do with the quality standards. 602 00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:19,960 First and foremost, people like graphics in a code. 603 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,920 Increasingly, communities are doing this. 604 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:22,640 It's helpful. 605 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:27,440 Not everybody likes to review pages of text like we do, 606 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,560 but they need the graphic to get them there. 607 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:31,640 We create nice graphics. 608 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:32,400 We will do that. 609 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,840 Again, that March 15th draft is going 610 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,720 to have a much more comprehensive list of graphics 611 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:39,680 in there. 612 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,200 And another key change in the district's piece 613 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,880 is just implementing those future land use designations 614 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,000 from Denton Plan 2030. 615 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,960 That plan, at a very broad brush level, 616 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,120 designated certain geographic areas 617 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:57,680 for the types of activities you might see there. 618 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,920 The problem is that your current lineup of zoning districts 619 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,400 does not allow you to get there, does not 620 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,280 give you the path forward to implement those desires. 621 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,920 So we made a lot of changes to the districts 622 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,920 to help implement that plan. 623 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,080 Here's a quick snapshot. 624 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,080 This is a conversion table, we call it. 625 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,360 Basically, it takes your future land use plan, 626 00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:23,400 the designations in this first column on the left, 627 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,240 shows you your current zoning districts. 628 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,400 And then finally, that final right hand column 629 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,200 is how we made some consolidations 630 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,000 in the new lineup of districts. 631 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,480 So you'll see, for downtown compatibility area, 632 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,400 as designated in your plan, right now there 633 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,800 are five different districts all trying 634 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,360 to achieve a very similar purpose. 635 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:48,880 Allow people to live on smaller lots in a compact way. 636 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,680 We've consolidated those very common standards, 637 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,240 purpose statements, and dimensional requirements 638 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,320 into one district that allows you 639 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,800 to do that type of activity. 640 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,080 Same thing for mixed use. 641 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,480 You're calling out in your policy document 642 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,280 that mixed use is a good thing. 643 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,760 And you see a lot of mixed use in Denton. 644 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,640 But it has to be negotiated today. 645 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,120 There's no clear path forward to get mixed use 646 00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:19,080 because of the lack of those types of districts. 647 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,600 So we have presented three different context areas 648 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,000 for mixed use, at the neighborhood scale, 649 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,240 at the corridor scale, and at the-- 650 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,440 or rather, the downtown scale, and then a regional context. 651 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:32,880 Understanding that not everything 652 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,960 is walkable and pedestrian friendly mixed use, 653 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,720 there's also really big stuff, too, 654 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,960 that you need to drive to that has a mixture of office 655 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,000 and residential and retail. 656 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,000 So we've tried to cover using the plan 657 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,320 as the underlying framework, but then also 658 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,680 looking at various things and inconsistencies 659 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,720 to try to give you a better toolbox to rezone property 660 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:57,600 in the future. 661 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,600 This project does not rezone Denton. 662 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,880 But it does convert some districts. 663 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,800 It renames certain zoning districts 664 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:12,320 and makes some changes to existing properties. 665 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,800 When we take that and start to look at just the new district, 666 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,280 so starting to simplify that table for you, 667 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,680 divide it into residential, where people are just 668 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,280 living on a lot or living in a multifamily building, 669 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,080 versus mixed use, where people are-- that doesn't mean 670 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,960 retail and office. 671 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,600 Mixed use, we mean residential and non-residential happening 672 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,120 in those districts. 673 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,920 Corridor districts that are specific to your bigger 674 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,200 suburban corridors, where it's got a different character, 675 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,040 versus a highway corridor, which need 676 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,080 to be treated differently. 677 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,560 We can't have the same types of standards on the highway 678 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,120 that you do for a suburban corridor. 679 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,120 Some other districts, things like public facilities, 680 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,360 that is a new zoning district that you don't have today. 681 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,480 Where do we put the wastewater treatment facility? 682 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:05,480 Where do we put the fleet storage for our gravel trucks? 683 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,320 All of those things need a home. 684 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,880 They don't really fit into another type of context, 685 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,400 but they are essential to running a city. 686 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,800 So there's a district for those types of activities. 687 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:20,240 The overlays I'll talk about in a moment. 688 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,280 So some other key changes, density. 689 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,520 Right now, you have maximum densities 690 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,120 called out for your residential zoning districts. 691 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,680 That's great, except for a couple of things. 692 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,840 It's very hard for the public to visualize 693 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,880 how much density is dense versus not dense. 694 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,520 What is the actual intensity of that zoning district? 695 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,000 The other main reason we're not carrying that forward 696 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,000 in that form is that your current dimensional standards, 697 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,880 setbacks, height, lot coverage, lot area, all of those things 698 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,080 are also regulating density. 699 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,480 And they're not always aligned. 700 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,880 Where you might give a maximum density of six units 701 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,280 to the acre, well, your setbacks and your lot dimensions 702 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,000 are actually result-- they would result 703 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,520 in a greater density than that or a lesser density than that. 704 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,680 So it's important to talk about why does density matter. 705 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,920 It's because we don't want too much of one thing on a lot. 706 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,040 Well, we have broken that down into the components of density, 707 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,760 and we're carrying forward those types 708 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,920 of dimensional standards instead so 709 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,840 that it will be consistent and it will 710 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,200 help you implement your plan. 711 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,360 This last bullet here on measurement standards 712 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:32,320 and exceptions. 713 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,280 At the end of the zoning district's chapter, sub-chapter, 714 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,040 you will see a section on measurements and exceptions. 715 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,920 We realize that not everything is 716 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,640 going to fit the mold of a particular zoning district. 717 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,320 What if I have parapets? 718 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,960 Well, those can extend into the maximum building height. 719 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,080 If I have a chimney, that can extend. 720 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,200 A front porch can go into the front setback 721 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,560 because that's a character defining feature that most 722 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:56,800 people want to see. 723 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,880 So we're not prohibiting those types of activities. 724 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,520 We have called them out as exceptions. 725 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,880 Also in that subsection, we explain 726 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,280 how Denton measures height, how we measure lot coverage, 727 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:08,900 how we measure setbacks. 728 00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:11,000 All of those important measurement tools 729 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,000 are clearly defined in one place within the document. 730 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,720 Tara, can I ask you a question real fast? 731 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:16,840 Yes. 732 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,680 The alignment table had the neighborhood residentials 733 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,240 to the new RR nomenclature. 734 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,040 I know, as you've stated, you've talked 735 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,280 about redefining density. 736 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,160 To the public, and as I have conversations, 737 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,680 generally speaking, is an NR2, which 738 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,180 was defined as two units per acre, 739 00:32:37,180 --> 00:32:39,800 is that generally the same density as an R2 740 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,360 that it will generally provide two units to an acre 741 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,000 in the new R2? 742 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,280 That's exactly right. 743 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,280 But instead of using those terms, 744 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,560 because very few people, even us planners, 745 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,760 can visualize what that means on the ground. 746 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,320 And so rather, we're focusing on those minimum lot sizes, 747 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,280 which drive density. 748 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,400 You have to build roads to get to these lots. 749 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,040 You have to put in utilities. 750 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,280 All of those things eat up at the land. 751 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,240 When it's all said and done, those public infrastructure 752 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:15,120 items, coupled with the size of the lots and the uses allowed, 753 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,400 get to those density questions. 754 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,000 Gotcha. 755 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,120 Thank you. 756 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,000 You bet. 757 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,000 So we've talked about those. 758 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,020 I said I would come back to overlay districts. 759 00:33:26,020 --> 00:33:28,640 Right now, you have several overlay districts. 760 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,720 Not all of them will be carried forward. 761 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,280 If you remember, your current infill and special purpose 762 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,000 district is not really an overlay. 763 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,000 Rather, it's everything inside the loop. 764 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,400 And so that's not really an overlay district. 765 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,400 That's just another complicating factor 766 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,400 to try to develop in Denton. 767 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,120 So that will not be carried forward. 768 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,360 Many of them will, though. 769 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,920 I'm going to use Unicorn Lake and Fry Street as an example. 770 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,200 Right now, they're referencing the current lineup 771 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,380 of zoning districts. 772 00:33:57,380 --> 00:34:01,720 Unicorn Lake says the standards of the NRMU 12 district 773 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,680 shall apply to Unicorn Lake. 774 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,160 Well, we're not carrying forward that district. 775 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,440 So there was a bit of an unpacking job for us 776 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,600 to do to take those standards from the current NRMU 12 777 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,960 and just bring them directly into the overlay district. 778 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,440 You hadn't seen that in the earlier drafts. 779 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,840 You will see that in Friday's draft, 780 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,760 how we have translated that information 781 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,840 into the overlay districts. 782 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,660 Razor Ranch, I have a separate slide on that next. 783 00:34:27,660 --> 00:34:29,420 So I'll talk about why that was treated 784 00:34:29,420 --> 00:34:30,760 a little bit differently. 785 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,000 Historic districts, you spent a lot of time last year 786 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,440 and even earlier than that talking about procedures 787 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,040 for historic properties. 788 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,040 How do we review them? 789 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,800 How do we look at demolitions? 790 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,200 What are some of the standards that apply 791 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:46,680 to historic districts? 792 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,040 Those were carried forward intact. 793 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,140 We've reorganized them just to be consistent 794 00:34:51,140 --> 00:34:52,640 with the structure of the code. 795 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,320 Razor Ranch, why is it different? 796 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,800 It is really its own animal. 797 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,720 It's large, it has unique procedures, 798 00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:04,520 unique development standards. 799 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,920 It is basically a mini version of a DVC, 800 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,880 just for that property. 801 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,800 We had a lot of options to pursue. 802 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,200 We met with the landowner. 803 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,140 We met with staff. 804 00:35:15,140 --> 00:35:16,840 We talked to them, what is the best approach 805 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,320 to move that forward? 806 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,240 What you will see in the next draft 807 00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:24,140 is that we have pulled it out of the DVC. 808 00:35:24,140 --> 00:35:27,320 It will be carried forward as a standalone appendix 809 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,840 to the DVC and relatively unchanged 810 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,760 other than maybe some renumbering where necessary. 811 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:38,080 It was determined there are a lot of entitlement issues 812 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,960 right now underway being discussed for Razor Ranch. 813 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,960 It is rapidly developing as we speak. 814 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,220 And so getting into the middle of those issues 815 00:35:47,220 --> 00:35:50,000 during the DVC adoption was not ideal. 816 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,600 So we're gonna leave that intact for now. 817 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,400 There's gonna be a bit of work that needs to happen 818 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,520 after the adoption of the DVC 819 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,940 to get that ready for appendix form. 820 00:35:59,940 --> 00:36:01,960 Just like with Unicorn Lake, 821 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,640 where we are referencing now antiquated districts 822 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,120 moving forward, those standards will need 823 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,900 to be brought in somehow. 824 00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:12,320 What will likely end up is that you will still 825 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,240 have to retain a copy of the current DVC 826 00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:18,040 until those standards are fully brought 827 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,420 into appendix form. 828 00:36:19,420 --> 00:36:25,660 So I failed to mention, right now you have MPCs 829 00:36:25,660 --> 00:36:28,800 and we're bringing those forward as PDs, 830 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,920 planned developments instead of calling it the MPC. 831 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,800 Existing MPCs will remain MPCs. 832 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,640 Moving forward for negotiated development 833 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,880 that just doesn't fit the letter of the law, 834 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,580 those will be PDs. 835 00:36:41,580 --> 00:36:45,880 Razor Ranch is ultimately functioning today as a PD, 836 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,320 which is why we did not wanna just carry it forward 837 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,160 as an overlay. 838 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:55,600 So alongside the districts, 839 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,080 what can you do with your property? 840 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,120 So a lot of changes here as well. 841 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,400 Reorganized, of course, more user-friendly, 842 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,280 more tables, more graphics, a lot of consolidation. 843 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,760 The example I keep using is you don't need 844 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,760 to call out a bookstore and a flower shop 845 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,840 and a toy shop, retail is retail, so let's just say it. 846 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,640 Every use is defined, every use category is defined, 847 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,760 so it's very clear to understand what we're talking about 848 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,160 when we say retail, what we're talking about 849 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,200 when we say self-storage, what we're not talking about 850 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,160 when we say collegiate housing, 851 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,200 'cause we're not talking about that today. 852 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,760 New consolidated standards for accessory 853 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,620 and temporary structures. 854 00:37:36,620 --> 00:37:37,880 What do we do with ADUs? 855 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,480 Well, they're in there. 856 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,200 We have addressed that in the new DDC. 857 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,000 I think we presented that information to you all. 858 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,080 The DCRC has spent a lot of time talking about ADUs as well, 859 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,080 so make sure to pay attention 860 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,040 to those use-specific standards, and to do that, 861 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,240 I wanna just walk through a couple of examples here. 862 00:37:56,240 --> 00:38:00,520 This is a snapshot of the draft, as you will see it, 863 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,200 and along the top, the columns are the zoning districts, 864 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:04,920 the new zoning districts. 865 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,280 Each row is a specific use type. 866 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,960 If it has a P in there, that's permitted by right. 867 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,240 There's nothing to talk about. 868 00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:14,460 It's a permitted use. 869 00:38:14,460 --> 00:38:16,920 It has been stated that that is appropriate 870 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,320 for that zoning district. 871 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,960 If it has an S, it might be appropriate 872 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:21,980 for that zoning district, 873 00:38:21,980 --> 00:38:23,760 but that's gonna require a public hearing. 874 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,980 We need to talk about the parameters 875 00:38:25,980 --> 00:38:27,160 of that proposed development, 876 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,000 and make sure that that's appropriate 877 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,700 on that particular site. 878 00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:33,880 So, special use, specific use permit required 879 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,160 if there's an S. 880 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,540 If it's blank, that is a prohibited use in that zoning 881 00:38:38,540 --> 00:38:39,720 district. 882 00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:43,760 Now, if it has a plus next to it, either P or S, 883 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,960 that means you need to read this final column, 884 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,880 and those will be hyperlinked for you, 885 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,560 so when you view the PDF on Friday's draft, 886 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,000 you can click on those standards. 887 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,160 That means, yes, it's permitted, a townhome, for example, 888 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,000 in the R7, but you have to read those standards 889 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,520 that if you clicked on those, they would tell you 890 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,160 that each entrance on a townhome needs to face 891 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,160 the public right of way, or have direct access to it, 892 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,080 to prevent, you know, side-facing townhomes 893 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,600 from being what you see from the street. 894 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,360 Kennels, when you click on the link 895 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,280 to kennel requirements, sure, it's allowed, 896 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,120 but if you're within 150 feet of residential, 897 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,920 you can't have an outdoor run for the kennel. 898 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,860 Has to be farther than 150 feet away. 899 00:39:30,860 --> 00:39:33,320 All of these standards meant to protect 900 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,800 private property rights on both sides of the coin. 901 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,400 Some of them are operational-based, 902 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,760 some of them are location-based, 903 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,000 but a lot of new standards and carried forward 904 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,320 a lot of existing standards, you call them Ls today 905 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,280 in your use table, a lot of limitations. 906 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,320 We have just spelled it out more clearly. 907 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,640 Some new uses that you'll notice, a lot of them. 908 00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,140 You'll see them up here, some of them specific to Denton, 909 00:40:00,140 --> 00:40:02,920 you know, things like the travel plazas, 910 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,560 things like musician's studio. 911 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,720 These are issues that you have to deal with here in Denton. 912 00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:12,480 Other things are just national trends 913 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,400 that a lot of communities are dealing with, 914 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,200 so it was important to make sure 915 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,720 that you're thinking proactively about those things 916 00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:22,940 as you continue to see new growth and development. 917 00:40:22,940 --> 00:40:25,640 So, you know, I mentioned ADUs as one of those, 918 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,120 home occupations, another one of those. 919 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,920 A lot of standards for those uses that are important, 920 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,040 and I urge you to read through those. 921 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,960 So that's really it, that was a lot to cover 922 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,200 on just those two important sub-chapters, 923 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:42,840 but do you have any questions 924 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,600 before we move into the quality standards? 925 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,480 - Commissioner Ellis. 926 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:50,300 - Thank you, Chair. 927 00:40:50,300 --> 00:40:52,720 Tarik, real quick, when talking about PDs, 928 00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:55,040 we're also calling any developments 929 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,280 that have zoning restrictions on them PDs, is that correct? 930 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:01,920 - No. 931 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:02,840 - What are we calling those? 932 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,120 - Well, today you're calling those PDs. 933 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,360 So, Ron, I don't know if-- 934 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:10,180 - Did we change that? 935 00:41:10,180 --> 00:41:11,020 Okay. 936 00:41:11,020 --> 00:41:13,200 - Yeah, we're creating a new district 937 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,320 called planned developments. 938 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,800 So when you are negotiating developments for those, 939 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,400 that will be a planned development district 940 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,640 with its own set of standards in addition to, 941 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,880 and things that are left out of that district 942 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,840 will be covered by the remaining standards in the DDC. 943 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:36,240 I think you're referring to some of these conditional 944 00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:38,520 re-zonings that have been adopted, 945 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:39,920 and when you look at your zoning map, 946 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,080 there are 79 or 80 of those bubbles on there, 947 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,480 things that were agreed to. 948 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,760 And you actually call those overlays, I believe, today. 949 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:49,600 - Correct. 950 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,040 - And so they won't be carried forward on the map 951 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,480 as an overlay, but I'm not sure what you're calling them 952 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:56,680 on the new zoning map. 953 00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:03,600 - We're actually looking at each one individually. 954 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,160 As some of the standards change, 955 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,960 they actually may just be in compliance. 956 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,760 Some may ultimately get assigned a PD 957 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,440 as a result of the variety of conditions. 958 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,600 - I thought that was our discussion, 959 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,400 which it is confusing, 'cause they don't sound like PDs, 960 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,360 but I know we've kind of been around the board on those. 961 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,920 - Commissioner Beck. 962 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:26,740 - Thank you, Chair. 963 00:42:26,740 --> 00:42:30,280 I remember right, the overlays were essentially going away, 964 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,960 so we, I guess, except for the ones that are already there. 965 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,720 Right, Fry Street, and one or two others. 966 00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:43,280 But in the past, we've had these communities 967 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,600 where people complained, like an NR6 was too dense, 968 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,000 so we had an overlay where it essentially 969 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,400 amounted to an NR4, so if we do that now, 970 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,480 then you're saying it's gonna be a PD, 971 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,160 we won't call them an overlay condition. 972 00:42:56,740 --> 00:42:58,980 (laughing) 973 00:42:58,980 --> 00:43:04,040 - They could very well come in as a PD. 974 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,640 But part of the issue has been having 80 975 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,880 different overlay districts and just managing them 976 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,960 and making sure that they're properly accounted for 977 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,960 within just our, the system for reviewing permits, 978 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,080 making sure we capture all of that. 979 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,480 And so if there's another way to do that, 980 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,360 whether it be through a PD or some other mechanism, 981 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,480 but really trying to get away from these mixed use, 982 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:31,760 neighborhood mixed use overlays 983 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,800 that the current code has in place. 984 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,580 - Well, and we have conflated the terms. 985 00:43:37,580 --> 00:43:39,400 We haven't, but over the years, 986 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,240 the terms have been conflated. 987 00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:45,500 An overlay district, things like the West Oak 988 00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:47,840 and Fry Street and Unicorn Lake, 989 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,680 those are true geographic areas 990 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,960 beyond just one particular property. 991 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,360 Let's say the character here is different. 992 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,000 Therefore, regardless of the underlying zoning district, 993 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,120 there's additional standards 994 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,280 that are important to this area. 995 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,600 What you have also labeled as overlays, 996 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,060 those 80 or so overlays, 997 00:44:07,060 --> 00:44:09,980 I think are more conditional rezonings, 998 00:44:09,980 --> 00:44:13,980 where you have said the underlying zoning works almost, 999 00:44:13,980 --> 00:44:16,920 but let's give it a slightly different standard. 1000 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,680 But they have been done on a very spot basis. 1001 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,760 And so we would urge you in the future 1002 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,440 to not use that tool as often as has been used in the past, 1003 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,480 and that with the new standards in the DDC, 1004 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,200 and with the new lineup of zoning districts, 1005 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,220 that shouldn't really be an issue, 1006 00:44:37,220 --> 00:44:38,680 because you have more options 1007 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,120 to choose for appropriate rezonings of properties. 1008 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,680 - Hopefully. 1009 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,200 - Okay, thank you. 1010 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,200 Any other questions? 1011 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:51,440 Okay. 1012 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:58,440 - Just real quick. 1013 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,700 Just wanted to add to that last conversation. 1014 00:45:00,700 --> 00:45:07,480 We've got about 35, 30, or 40 of these conditioned zonings. 1015 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,520 And as Tarek mentioned, 1016 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,120 we don't wanna see that moving forward, 1017 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,440 but we do have existing ones. 1018 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,680 So we're gonna keep those. 1019 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,280 Initially, we thought about making them PDs. 1020 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,920 Now with the discussion. 1021 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,680 But that's still yet to be determined, 1022 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,540 because they're really not PDs, you know. 1023 00:45:23,540 --> 00:45:26,040 They're just one-off zoning districts. 1024 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:31,040 So Tarek has asked that we look at those conditioned zonings 1025 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:35,320 and see where we can make them true straight zoning. 1026 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,080 Or if we can't, then we're gonna have to identify them 1027 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,560 as such, as a conditioned zoning, and move that forward. 1028 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:42,840 But truly, it's not a PD. 1029 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,040 And we don't wanna see those types move forward 1030 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,000 as PDs in the future, 1031 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,240 because PDs are a little bit more larger in scope, 1032 00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:53,840 not necessarily size, but more scope. 1033 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:58,240 And what we're talking about is just identifying 1034 00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:00,200 just one use for that one property. 1035 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,080 And that's more of a conditioned zoning, 1036 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,480 or a zoning condition, so. 1037 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,680 - Commissioner Beck. 1038 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:09,500 - Thank you, Chair. 1039 00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:12,500 So we're gonna get away from that small little tweak. 1040 00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:17,400 - We're gonna, as Tarek mentioned-- 1041 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:18,400 - The developer can't come in 1042 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,660 and meet the new zoning requirements. 1043 00:46:21,660 --> 00:46:22,500 - Right. 1044 00:46:22,500 --> 00:46:24,720 And then we're gonna, we've got those provisions, 1045 00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:26,880 the new zone, the lineup of zoning districts. 1046 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,920 Hopefully we'll address some of those ones 1047 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,440 that we've seen recently, or some flexible, 1048 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,800 as far as design standards, where we can maybe use those. 1049 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,400 There's a whole different set of design standards 1050 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:41,880 that hopefully we wouldn't need 1051 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,800 to go through that exercise. 1052 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,600 - Okay, you're saying we shouldn't need it, or? 1053 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,560 - We shouldn't need it with the-- 1054 00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,680 - But it's not like it's not gonna be out there 1055 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,160 that we're gonna have to deal with. 1056 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,320 - We still have to deal with it, yeah, one way or the other, 1057 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,320 and we'd rather not move forward with it as PDs. 1058 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,400 - I'm okay with, yeah, getting rid of it, too. 1059 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,360 I'm just saying, you know, if it's still wiggle room for it, 1060 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:06,440 we're gonna have to deal with it. 1061 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:07,280 - Right. 1062 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,100 - Okay, thanks. 1063 00:47:08,100 --> 00:47:09,320 - I think Richard would like to add something. 1064 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:10,600 - Yeah, one thing to note, too, 1065 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,400 a lot of these conditions that were placed 1066 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,840 as part of these overlays had to do with density, 1067 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,520 which is now no longer a factor, if you will, 1068 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,680 or requiring a minimum lot size to be a certain, 1069 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,280 you know, above 5,000 or whatever it is, and a lot width. 1070 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,280 And so right now, we don't have that exemption 1071 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,360 if you're two acres or greater, so I think a lot of this, 1072 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,360 I don't think it will be required, I mean, never say never, 1073 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,200 but I think as we've changed the code, this new code, 1074 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,040 I don't think it will really lend itself 1075 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,280 to having to have to do that in those circumstances. 1076 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:53,900 - All right, Jim Spong with Clearing Associates. 1077 00:47:53,900 --> 00:47:57,560 Good afternoon, Planning Commission. 1078 00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,640 Now we get to talk about development standards. 1079 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,800 So Tariq and Matt have talked about the procedures, 1080 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,960 the administration, the districts, and the uses. 1081 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,460 This piece of the DDC really gets into the details 1082 00:48:08,460 --> 00:48:10,160 of quality of development. 1083 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,220 What do I actually have to do on the site? 1084 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,200 Landscaping, parking, ESAs, all that kind of stuff. 1085 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,240 So we're gonna walk through some key changes. 1086 00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:20,040 I have a few examples that we're gonna, 1087 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,360 that I'm gonna share as well. 1088 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,520 Just to reiterate, we've reorganized the content, 1089 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,760 so we've consolidated all the development standards 1090 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,360 into one place, as Matt mentioned earlier. 1091 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,200 Right now, these standards are scattered 1092 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,760 throughout the code, and they're difficult to identify 1093 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,080 if you're trying to search for something, 1094 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,000 so we put them all into one place 1095 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,000 to help it to be more user-friendly. 1096 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,360 We've relocated technical and design criteria 1097 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,220 to criteria manuals outside the DDC, 1098 00:48:46,220 --> 00:48:48,240 and I know that the council and the staff 1099 00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:50,760 have been working on updating those manuals 1100 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,680 over the past few years, and those will continue 1101 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,080 to be updated in the future. 1102 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,240 So a lot of the technical information 1103 00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:01,360 that's not really necessary in the DDC has been moved out. 1104 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,840 Examples of that is pipe sizing, 1105 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,800 or how thick does the asphalt have to be. 1106 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:10,320 Zoning doesn't care, they just wanna have a paved area. 1107 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,160 The engineering can review those standards 1108 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,760 based on the criteria manuals at the site plan phase. 1109 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:19,680 The next bullet touches on one of the primary goals 1110 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,720 that Matt mentioned at the beginning. 1111 00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:22,560 - Chris or Beck? 1112 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:23,880 - Yes. - Sure, I'm sorry. 1113 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,320 Will the new DDC just mention that then? 1114 00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,440 I mean, this technical criteria won't be there, 1115 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,960 but will it be in the new DDC? 1116 00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,080 Dealing with pipes, refer to? 1117 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:36,920 - Yes. 1118 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,480 - Or will it just not say anything at all? 1119 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,600 - Yes, it will refer to those criteria manuals 1120 00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,800 where the references are necessary. 1121 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,000 So it will say all drainage facilities have to comply 1122 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,600 with the criteria manuals and the following, 1123 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,720 and it will list specific things in there. 1124 00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:52,600 So references will be provided. 1125 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:53,420 - Okay. 1126 00:49:53,420 --> 00:49:57,120 - Again, one of the primary goals of this update 1127 00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:58,920 was to tailor the development standards 1128 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,720 to the different contexts in Denton, 1129 00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:02,480 and that's something that we've done, 1130 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,400 is we moved away from the one size fits all, 1131 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,800 and I'll share a few examples of that in a couple of slides. 1132 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,640 Next, we've increased flexibility 1133 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,960 by providing options and menu-based standards, 1134 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,320 and we'll show a few examples of that. 1135 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,360 Again, we understand that no one site is the same, 1136 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,520 and it's important to have flexibility 1137 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,040 and really common sense and reasoning to say, 1138 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,200 this site is different than the next one. 1139 00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,720 How can I still comply with the standards, 1140 00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:32,640 but achieve the desired result that the city wants? 1141 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:33,480 And then lastly, 1142 00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,720 improved neighborhood compatibility standards. 1143 00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:40,040 Again, we'll talk about this in a couple of slides. 1144 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,480 So one really important element of the code 1145 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,600 is the applicability standards for development, 1146 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,440 and right now you can see this is a screenshot 1147 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:49,600 of the current code. 1148 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,200 It's called the expansion applicability table. 1149 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,280 It essentially summarizes based on the activity 1150 00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,920 that you're doing on the left-hand side here, 1151 00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,160 that will trigger you to make improvements 1152 00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,760 to specific elements of the site. 1153 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,880 So here you can see if you're expanding 1154 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,240 a multi-family project by 10% 1155 00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:11,000 or the number of units goes up by 10, 1156 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,600 that requires a site plan, 1157 00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,600 that requires a traffic impact analysis 1158 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,060 based on the total trips. 1159 00:51:16,060 --> 00:51:20,080 Landscaping, yes, you're required to do landscaping 1160 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:24,360 for the disturbed areas, et cetera. 1161 00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:28,040 And we've taken this table and taken it 1162 00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,260 about 10 steps further, saying, 1163 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,800 this is an important element of the code, 1164 00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,120 but right now it's not very comprehensive 1165 00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,880 in that it just addresses traffic impact analysis. 1166 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,680 It doesn't address access and circulation. 1167 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,480 Does this mean I have to do pedestrian pathways? 1168 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,400 Does this mean I have to relocate my driveways 1169 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,440 to comply with the new standards? 1170 00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,800 So this new draft will address those things, 1171 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,080 and we've divided it up into a few different tiers. 1172 00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:57,880 So what activities will trigger compliance 1173 00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,160 with this new code, especially redevelopment? 1174 00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,840 Any new development has to comply with the standards. 1175 00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,160 That's just the way it is. 1176 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,720 It's new, it hasn't been developed before. 1177 00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:08,320 This is the rule book. 1178 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,480 Redevelopment is where it gets a little bit trickier. 1179 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,620 I have a site, I wanna put an addition on my building. 1180 00:52:13,620 --> 00:52:14,520 What do I have to do? 1181 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,180 Do I have to redo my entire parking? 1182 00:52:16,180 --> 00:52:19,380 Do I have to upgrade all the landscaping on the property? 1183 00:52:19,380 --> 00:52:22,940 The tier one thresholds help establish 1184 00:52:22,940 --> 00:52:24,600 what you do and don't have to do, 1185 00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,000 and I'll show another table that summarizes that. 1186 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,400 The first one there is if you're increasing 1187 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,280 the gross floor area of an existing structure 1188 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:37,280 by the greater of 1,000 square feet or between 25 and 50%, 1189 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,740 that will trigger the tier one improvements and so on. 1190 00:52:41,740 --> 00:52:43,720 Tier two is if you're doing more 1191 00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:45,240 than what the tier one requires. 1192 00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:50,160 So here, if you're between 25 and 50%, do you have tier one? 1193 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,200 If you're putting an addition on the building 1194 00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,800 that's 60% larger than the existing building, 1195 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,160 that puts you into the tier two, 1196 00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,240 which will trigger more improvements required on the site. 1197 00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:02,880 And this table helps to summarize that. 1198 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,000 So here on the left-hand side 1199 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,800 are all the development standards sections 1200 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,600 in sub-chapter six. 1201 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,320 On the right, you see different columns for new development. 1202 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,080 A check mark means that the entire site 1203 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,920 has to comply with all of the standards in that section. 1204 00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,000 A diamond means that the disturbed areas 1205 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,500 have to comply with the standards in that section. 1206 00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:22,560 So here you can see, 1207 00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,320 depending on how big of a project you're doing, 1208 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,640 you may only have to improve the areas that you're touching. 1209 00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,160 If you're doing a big project, 1210 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,520 then you have to bring the entire site into compliance. 1211 00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,760 And this is still in discussion, 1212 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,840 so this table isn't final, or the thresholds, 1213 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,480 but this new framework will help the city, the staff, 1214 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,920 the development community really understand 1215 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,280 if I'm gonna do this, 1216 00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,680 I know that all these things 1217 00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,440 have to be brought into compliance. 1218 00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,120 It's a really simple way to help communicate that message. 1219 00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:58,480 So you'll see this in the new draft. 1220 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:03,320 A few other bullets for development standards. 1221 00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,840 There's a new landscaping and tree canopy standards 1222 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,560 that I'm sure you've seen and will see again. 1223 00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,600 Those will be folded into this new draft. 1224 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,640 Those have largely been prepared by staff, 1225 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:14,880 so we'll fold those in. 1226 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,040 New requirements for walls and fencing. 1227 00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,800 This was a topic that the DCRC has spent 1228 00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,960 several hours discussing, 1229 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,720 related to chain link fencing and where it's appropriate, 1230 00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:27,880 the heights of fences, things like that. 1231 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,320 We folded those updates into this draft, 1232 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,960 and then finally the revised parking minimums and maximums. 1233 00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,360 This is something that we had talked about before, 1234 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,520 and this is part of the flexibility in the code. 1235 00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,280 Right now the minimums and the maximums are the same. 1236 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,840 We've adjusted that to, we adjusted the minimums, 1237 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:49,720 and then adjusted the maximum to be 125% of the minimum. 1238 00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:51,280 So there's a little bit more flexibility 1239 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,680 with how many parking stalls you're required to provide 1240 00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,480 and that you can provide on a site. 1241 00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:01,400 These are the new height transition standards. 1242 00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,080 This is something that's new in this draft. 1243 00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,520 The photo on the right is, we think is a bad example 1244 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,120 of a transition where you have a fairly large 1245 00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:14,040 multi-family building next to a single story residence. 1246 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:18,520 I'm not sure if that owner was really ecstatic 1247 00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,040 to have that huge building next to them, 1248 00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,320 but that's something that we want to avoid. 1249 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,200 We have a lot of districts, 1250 00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,640 and they all have very different dimensional standards. 1251 00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,920 So we want to ensure that when development is next 1252 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,200 to a single family or a residential zone, 1253 00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,520 that the development next to it is compatible. 1254 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,240 And here based on this graphic you can see, 1255 00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:41,880 if a development is within 50 feet 1256 00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,880 of a residential district, then the height 1257 00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,160 in that first 50 feet cannot exceed the maximum height 1258 00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,680 of the district that it's next to. 1259 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,040 If you're between 50 and 100 feet of a residential district, 1260 00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,920 that height can go up another 15 feet or one story, 1261 00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,000 and then beyond that it can go to the height 1262 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,880 that's allowed in the district that's developing. 1263 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,200 So this is an improvement, we think, 1264 00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:06,480 to the current standards. 1265 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,120 Next are the buffering standards. 1266 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:14,800 This is also a compatibility issue. 1267 00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:15,800 Here you see two tables. 1268 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,120 The table on the left describes if you're developing 1269 00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,480 a land use next to something else, 1270 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,680 what kind of buffer am I required to have? 1271 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,560 And here you can see if you're developing a commercial use 1272 00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,080 next to a single family detached or duplex, 1273 00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,120 you need to achieve a minimum of 30 points, 1274 00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,520 and it has to be a minimum width of 15 feet. 1275 00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,120 And the table on the right explains 1276 00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:39,920 how you can achieve those points. 1277 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,840 And this is again a menu-based option 1278 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,440 to provide flexibility and options 1279 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,560 for the development community to say, 1280 00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,040 okay, I can either install an opaque wall 1281 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,680 that's six feet high, or I can do a bunch of landscaping 1282 00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,080 and have a big buffer, but it's not a one-size-fits-all, 1283 00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:56,520 and it provides some flexibility 1284 00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,800 for different site conditions and infill opportunities. 1285 00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,760 - Commissioner Beck. 1286 00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:03,760 - Thank you, Chair. 1287 00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,080 Jim, explain it, 'cause I think we've been over this before. 1288 00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,080 I think Commissioner Rozelle even brought it up, 1289 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:14,840 the difference between what's required at the end 1290 00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,440 of single family with industrial, 1291 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,720 then you come over here under single family and industrial, 1292 00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,600 and you've gone from a minimum of 10 points to 50 points. 1293 00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:27,600 So could you explain again why there's that difference? 1294 00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,440 Obviously, if I remember right, 1295 00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:34,640 it's because if a single family residential moves, 1296 00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:38,520 the industrial facility is already there, 1297 00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,200 and a guy decides to build to it, 1298 00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,400 he could build up to, he only needs 10 points. 1299 00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,000 But if the reverse happens, 1300 00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,840 if an industrial area comes in close to a residential area, 1301 00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:53,360 then that's why the enlargement. 1302 00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,160 - So this approach is very much specific 1303 00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:57,480 to the developing use. 1304 00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,680 So who's coming in last, basically, 1305 00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,160 and the level of buffer you need is dependent on that. 1306 00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,760 So if a single family developer wants to develop 1307 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,920 next to an industrial site, they can provide 1308 00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,320 as big a buffer as they want, 1309 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:11,640 but the city's gonna require them 1310 00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,360 to provide a lesser buffer than if an industrial use 1311 00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,480 came next to a residential land use, 1312 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,880 because that residential use is already established 1313 00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:24,880 and people are there, whereas in the inverse of that, 1314 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,640 the residences are choosing to locate 1315 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,560 next to the industrial use, if that makes sense. 1316 00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,760 So a lesser buffer would be required. 1317 00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:31,880 - Thank you. 1318 00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:32,720 - Sure. 1319 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,040 Any other questions on sub-chapter six 1320 00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:40,360 before we move on to subdivisions? 1321 00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:41,680 There's a lot of information in there. 1322 00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,480 We just covered a few key topics, 1323 00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,640 but when you get the draft, 1324 00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,280 we encourage you to read the commentary, 1325 00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:49,480 look at the footnotes. 1326 00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,800 There's a lot more than what we covered 1327 00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,400 in the five minutes there. 1328 00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,880 So, okay. 1329 00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,400 Sub-chapter seven is subdivisions, 1330 00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:02,840 and we have a couple of slides here, 1331 00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:04,520 and then we'll wrap it up. 1332 00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,880 Matt has a couple of concluding remarks. 1333 00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,480 So the big changes for subdivisions is, again, 1334 00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,400 that we've relocated the procedures 1335 00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,680 for subdivisions in the sub-chapter two. 1336 00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:23,360 If, right now, the procedures for subdivisions 1337 00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:24,920 are all in the subdivision section, 1338 00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,040 and it makes it confusing to know, 1339 00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:28,400 if I need to get a subdivision, 1340 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:29,560 who's the approval authority? 1341 00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,040 What are they gonna be looking at? 1342 00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,640 So we've relocated all of that information. 1343 00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:35,920 Next, we've relocated the technical information 1344 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:37,160 to criteria manuals, again, 1345 00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,160 like the development standards. 1346 00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,000 This is the specific submittal requirements 1347 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,840 and things you need for plats. 1348 00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:45,960 We've revised the flag lot standards, 1349 00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,320 and specifically, we've specified 1350 00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,240 how wide the flagpole portion of the lot has to be 1351 00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,160 if you're providing utilities to the site. 1352 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,120 And based on how much utility 1353 00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:57,800 is going through that flagpole portion, 1354 00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,000 we'll determine how wide that area is. 1355 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,640 There's a new cluster subdivision tool, 1356 01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:04,800 which we'll talk about on the next slide. 1357 01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,920 We've revised the gated community standards in the DDC 1358 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,520 to require that it be done through a PUD 1359 01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:13,600 and that it have an HOA and a few other standards 1360 01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,880 that the staff has recommended. 1361 01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,840 And then lastly, this is another important one, 1362 01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,440 that civil construction plans are no longer required 1363 01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,440 prior to the approval of a final plat. 1364 01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,080 We thought that was very unusual, 1365 01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,200 and staff had mentioned that that had been creating headaches. 1366 01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,120 Essentially, right now, before a final plat can be approved, 1367 01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:33,800 the developer has to provide 1368 01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:38,640 specific detailed construction drawings for that site, 1369 01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:42,600 which really slows down the process. 1370 01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:44,400 It's a bit backwards to where you want 1371 01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,200 your final plat approved, and at that point, 1372 01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,360 you can invest the time, money, and resources 1373 01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,120 into finalizing those plans 1374 01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,800 and having engineered construction drawings. 1375 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:57,200 So this is just an illustration to help show 1376 01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:58,560 what that cluster subdivision 1377 01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:02,840 or the conservation subdivision tool is intended to do. 1378 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,400 Right now, it's drafted that the developer 1379 01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,960 is able to set aside areas of the site 1380 01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,480 that are either protected through environmental reasons 1381 01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,400 or that can be dedicated for open space 1382 01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,120 or some other benefit to the city. 1383 01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,680 In exchange for that, the city will grant them 1384 01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,720 the ability to create smaller lots 1385 01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:25,440 and have smaller setbacks, 1386 01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,360 regardless of the base zoning district that they're in. 1387 01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,880 So this is a great tool to allow the developer 1388 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,560 to preserve, in perpetuity, 1389 01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,760 a lot of the sensitive areas and lands 1390 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:40,760 without losing their ability to develop 1391 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,080 the same number of units that they would otherwise 1392 01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,240 if those features didn't exist. 1393 01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:49,320 So this is a new feature for Denton, 1394 01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:50,800 and we think it's really valuable, 1395 01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,920 and it's been a very emerging trend 1396 01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,480 throughout the nation to do this, 1397 01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,440 and this also achieves a lot of the goals 1398 01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:01,000 in the comp plan of having more sustainable development, 1399 01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:02,720 protecting those sensitive areas, 1400 01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,720 and it's also fiscally more responsible 1401 01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:06,920 because you can see there's much less roadway, 1402 01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:10,200 infrastructure, utilities, things of that nature. 1403 01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:14,320 So it's a give and a take. 1404 01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,640 The developer is able to do more in exchange 1405 01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:22,360 for preserving and/or dedicating those lands to the city. 1406 01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,680 - A quick question on that. 1407 01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:26,400 You met with the DCDA. 1408 01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:30,200 Did they have any feedback on the economic value 1409 01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:35,200 of the project in terms of what they could construct, 1410 01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:39,200 or 'cause it seems like on the diagram to the right, 1411 01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:43,720 single property would be valued more 1412 01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:45,120 'cause the property owner would have more land 1413 01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:49,520 and most likely build a bigger house versus the left. 1414 01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,920 I understand the conservation of the 1415 01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,120 environmentally sensitive areas and those things, 1416 01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:59,000 but I don't know if the developers gave any feedback 1417 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,480 to the economics of those different types of developments. 1418 01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,960 - Yeah, they didn't get into the specific economics of it, 1419 01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,680 but I think that they in general liked the idea 1420 01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,960 that right now, if all of those green areas were ESAs, 1421 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:12,960 they couldn't develop in them anyways, 1422 01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,800 and if they still had to have a 20,000 square foot lot, 1423 01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:19,360 well now they can have three lots instead of 12. 1424 01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,280 So I think in that regard, the economics makes sense 1425 01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,640 to say if you could only do three or 15, 1426 01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:28,880 15 lots is obviously more valuable than three. 1427 01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,520 They did raise some concerns about who would eventually 1428 01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:36,440 manage and protect those areas and maintain those areas, 1429 01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,920 whether that be through HOAs or other tools 1430 01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,240 that are available in the DDC, 1431 01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,680 and ultimately it would be up to the city attorney 1432 01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:44,920 and what they felt comfortable with 1433 01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,200 approving in those circumstances. 1434 01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,240 So it's not a perfect solution, 1435 01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:52,880 but I think it's more flexible and better 1436 01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:56,880 than what's available now with them. 1437 01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:58,240 - Thank you. - Sure. 1438 01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:02,640 So the last slide here that I'll share 1439 01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,960 is the definitions chapter, sub-chapter. 1440 01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,160 We've introduced a lot of new definitions. 1441 01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,960 We've revised existing definitions, 1442 01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,360 and again, as Tarek mentioned, 1443 01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,240 there's a lot of new use types in the DDC. 1444 01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,680 All of those use types are now defined in the DDC. 1445 01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,760 So take a look at the definitions as you review the draft, 1446 01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:23,920 because they're important. 1447 01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:28,240 It helps us to know exactly what term we're talking about. 1448 01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:29,880 Everyone's on the same page. 1449 01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,120 So take a look at that section. 1450 01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:36,440 Next, I'll turn it back over to Matt and we'll finish up. 1451 01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,360 Yeah. - Mr. Beck. 1452 01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:39,800 - Thank you, Chair. 1453 01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:41,920 I think you mentioned yesterday at city council 1454 01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,360 that the cluster subdivision 1455 01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,200 has to be at least five acres, is that right? 1456 01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:48,040 - It does. 1457 01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,240 I was drafted to say that this doesn't, 1458 01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:51,920 it's not applicable to any land. 1459 01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:53,160 You have to have at least five acres 1460 01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,800 to qualify for that tool. 1461 01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,400 And it would allow you to go down to a 2,500-square-foot lot. 1462 01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,680 And all of those standards are outlined in the new draft. 1463 01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:02,520 - Okay, thanks. 1464 01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:10,360 - All right. 1465 01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,800 That is it for the overview of the substance of the code. 1466 01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,200 We just had a couple of final slides for you. 1467 01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:18,680 First of all, this is just a reminder 1468 01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,040 of the slide that you saw earlier. 1469 01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,600 It is a vigorous schedule, as Scott said, to move forward, 1470 01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,800 but I think it's doable because we have had 1471 01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,680 a lot of good feedback throughout the last couple of years 1472 01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:32,160 from the DCRC and from all of you and from the community. 1473 01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:36,960 So be on the lookout for this code on the 15th on Friday. 1474 01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,240 And be aware just that there is those work sessions scheduled 1475 01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,040 and then the comments will be due at the end of the month. 1476 01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,400 And then we'll move quickly into the adoption process. 1477 01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:49,080 I wanted to wrap up this discussion of the calendar 1478 01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,840 with a new slide and just emphasize a couple of things. 1479 01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:55,040 First of all, the date that the code is adopted 1480 01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:58,120 is not necessarily the date that the code is effective. 1481 01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,840 And so that's a decision for the city still to make, 1482 01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,440 but many communities have a lag time 1483 01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,400 between the adoption and the effective date. 1484 01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,800 Sometimes it's three months, sometimes it's six months. 1485 01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:09,960 I've worked where it's been five days, 1486 01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,600 and I've worked in a community where it's been over a year. 1487 01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,440 So that's always different in every community. 1488 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,000 And I think three to six months 1489 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,160 is what Denton's been looking at so far. 1490 01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:20,160 But that provides an opportunity 1491 01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,880 just to help ensure effective implementation 1492 01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:23,720 of the new code. 1493 01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:25,560 And so I mentioned earlier 1494 01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:28,880 that those separate repeal ordinances that are out there, 1495 01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,520 that's where the staff is identifying 1496 01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,160 a lot of other inconsistent provisions 1497 01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:35,480 with the new code that have to be repealed. 1498 01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:36,720 There's just a lot of mechanics 1499 01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,520 in putting together those ordinances. 1500 01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:39,600 That'll be done. 1501 01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:40,760 Updates to the zoning map, 1502 01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,880 finalization of the zoning map. 1503 01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:44,800 Potentially also a testing period for the code 1504 01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,880 where the staff is able to walk through some hypotheticals 1505 01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,120 and just kind of understand better internally 1506 01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,800 how the new code would play out to different sites. 1507 01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:53,640 It's not on here, 1508 01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:55,840 but also that's an educational opportunity. 1509 01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,040 That's a time when you can have workshops 1510 01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:01,120 for the development community, workshops for staff, 1511 01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:02,280 workshops for the neighborhoods 1512 01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:03,880 to just kind of explain the new code 1513 01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:05,160 and kind of what's different. 1514 01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:07,280 So that's a really important period, 1515 01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,920 that immediate period after the adoption of the code. 1516 01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:13,120 - Now the second half of this slide 1517 01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,600 talks about after the effective date. 1518 01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:16,600 - Christian Ellis. 1519 01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:17,440 - Thank you, Chair. 1520 01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,760 Matt, is there a timeframe that you have seen 1521 01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:21,920 works better than another? 1522 01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,240 - I think six months, given the volume of things 1523 01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:27,880 that you still need to do, is reasonable for Denton. 1524 01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,360 Tarek also mentioned the razor ranch overlay, 1525 01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,200 finalizing that appendix. 1526 01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,840 I don't think you want to rush that stuff necessarily, 1527 01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:36,880 so I think six months makes a lot of sense. 1528 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,280 - Christian Pernetta. 1529 01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:40,480 - So you might get to this in a second. 1530 01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,480 So when we're talking about the adoption date 1531 01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,320 and the effective date, 1532 01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:48,960 for things that are in the pipeline between those dates, 1533 01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,440 say we haven't gotten to final planning 1534 01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,960 or we haven't gotten to basically anything to vote on yet, 1535 01:07:54,960 --> 01:08:01,080 would they be subject to the new dates 1536 01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:04,600 or basically would they, by virtue of the fact 1537 01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,920 that they had begun the process before it went into effect, 1538 01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:09,840 be grandfathered in by the old standards? 1539 01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:10,880 - Great question. 1540 01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,640 The general rule in almost all the codes we draft 1541 01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,120 is that you are subject to the rules that are in place 1542 01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:18,040 when you file a complete application. 1543 01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:22,000 That's all gonna be laid out in this code in subchapter one. 1544 01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,440 I talked about the transition rules 1545 01:08:23,440 --> 01:08:24,760 from the old code to the new code. 1546 01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:26,360 That's where that's all laid out. 1547 01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:28,040 There can be some nuances to that, 1548 01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:29,960 and we'll talk about that with the city attorney's office, 1549 01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,760 but generally, you play by the rules that are in place 1550 01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:34,760 when you submit a complete application. 1551 01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:38,040 Something I was gonna add. 1552 01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:41,760 Oh, some communities give applicants the option 1553 01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:45,880 of complying with the new code during that interim period 1554 01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,040 between the adoption date and the effective date. 1555 01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,360 Sometimes that's just in an applicant's best interest. 1556 01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:52,360 They'd rather, they get a better deal. 1557 01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:53,840 They've got more uses available, 1558 01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:55,760 they've got more intensity that they could potentially do, 1559 01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,760 and so some communities give applicants that option, 1560 01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:00,160 and I don't think that's a bad idea. 1561 01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,160 That helps accelerate implementation of the new code. 1562 01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:06,320 What you don't wanna do is let someone double dip 1563 01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:08,920 and have partly the old code and partly the new code, 1564 01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:12,400 and so we'll still need to talk with the staff 1565 01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:13,720 and officials about that. 1566 01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:15,200 Scott has something to say about that. 1567 01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,920 - I always have something to say. 1568 01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:19,840 The reality is that, and that, I think, 1569 01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:20,920 is what our option is. 1570 01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:22,240 I think that's what we're looking to do. 1571 01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,360 We wanna provide enough grace period 1572 01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:27,160 that we can make certain that we have repealed everything 1573 01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:30,760 that's necessary, that we have a good functional document, 1574 01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:32,720 gives us an opportunity if we have to make any changes 1575 01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,760 we can, but however, if we have an opportunity 1576 01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,680 to also test or to use the code, 1577 01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:40,680 we certainly wanna explore that option, 1578 01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,600 so we don't think we're gonna have anything less than, 1579 01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,240 so why wouldn't we go ahead and go down that road, so. 1580 01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:50,200 - Thanks, Scott. - Thank you. 1581 01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:51,240 - Commissioner Ellis. 1582 01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:52,080 - Thank you, Chair. 1583 01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:53,920 On that note, he said repeal. 1584 01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:55,160 What is the process? 1585 01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:56,920 I assume that's probably a Jerry question, 1586 01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,200 but the repealing process. 1587 01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:01,240 - Just adding a section to an ordinance 1588 01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:05,960 that sections one through five are hereby repealed 1589 01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,920 as of the effective date of this ordinance. 1590 01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:10,640 It's a relatively simple thing, 1591 01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,600 and one of the things we actually talked about 1592 01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:16,120 is that a lot of the stuff that should have been repealed 1593 01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:20,120 back in 2002 with the DDC wasn't, 1594 01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:23,720 and there's really, nobody's using it anymore, 1595 01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:28,400 and with those provisions, they should be repealed. 1596 01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:29,240 They're confusing. 1597 01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:32,360 I can't tell you how many times I've dealt with cases 1598 01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:33,520 and I've had other attorneys say, 1599 01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,560 okay, I've got your standards here for road construction. 1600 01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:37,920 Well, yeah, no, you don't. 1601 01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:41,120 You got the old ones, but I got it off Municode. 1602 01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:42,840 Yeah, you did, I understand that, 1603 01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:44,640 but it wasn't repealed. 1604 01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,360 We're using these others instead. 1605 01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:48,560 That's a tough situation to be in, 1606 01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:51,920 and we'd like to be in a situation 1607 01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:56,920 where we could actually repeal the ones that we can early on. 1608 01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,480 The ones that are currently in use 1609 01:10:59,480 --> 01:11:02,400 may be more of a transitional standard, 1610 01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:03,640 like what we're talking about, 1611 01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:06,080 where you use it up to a certain point 1612 01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:08,840 and then the new one kicks in. 1613 01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:13,200 So it's just a matter of setting out the timing 1614 01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:14,740 in order to be compliant. 1615 01:11:14,740 --> 01:11:18,240 As mentioned, kind of the standard rule, 1616 01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:20,600 that typically applies to development standards. 1617 01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:24,600 It typically isn't, your zoning decisions 1618 01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:27,160 are not burdened by that requirement 1619 01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:30,560 of continuing on with what you started with, 1620 01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:35,560 but sometimes you have some realities of, 1621 01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:38,680 if you're entitled on development standards, 1622 01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,280 that can sometimes dictate whether 1623 01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,720 a new zoning is feasible or not. 1624 01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:47,000 So there's some difficult things to deal with, 1625 01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:48,960 but the short answer to your question is, 1626 01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:52,000 it's just a matter of putting an ordinance out. 1627 01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:53,520 - Now, does it have to go hand in hand 1628 01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:55,080 with the adoption date of this? 1629 01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:56,400 - Not necessarily. 1630 01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:00,320 Like I said, some of these things we could repeal earlier. 1631 01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:05,720 I'll just give you what I consider to be a humorous example. 1632 01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,240 We've got provision under the old code of ordinances 1633 01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:12,400 that says that the permit to do construction 1634 01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:14,820 in the street is $100, 1635 01:12:14,820 --> 01:12:17,840 because it dates back to before 1966. 1636 01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:22,840 And it just was never amended or changed or repealed. 1637 01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:25,960 That's not what we're currently charging 1638 01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,160 for a street construction permit. 1639 01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:32,800 But it just really needs to go away. 1640 01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,400 It has for a long time. 1641 01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:38,800 And just getting over the inertia 1642 01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:41,080 of getting that feedback together 1643 01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:45,680 of what we can get rid of easily has taken a long time. 1644 01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,440 But some of these other provisions, 1645 01:12:48,440 --> 01:12:49,960 it's a little bit more difficult 1646 01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:52,280 because they're currently in use by staff, 1647 01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:54,720 made in construction, for example, 1648 01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:59,000 provisions that really weren't carried forward 1649 01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,240 in the DDC the same way. 1650 01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,780 Staff has been using the old versions. 1651 01:13:03,780 --> 01:13:08,780 So it's, I think we can make it happen. 1652 01:13:08,780 --> 01:13:12,920 I think we can make it happen fairly painlessly. 1653 01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:17,480 - Yes. 1654 01:13:17,480 --> 01:13:19,160 - Commissioner Ellis, we've been working 1655 01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:22,120 on the repeal portion of this for months 1656 01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:25,520 since last fall, late summer, early fall. 1657 01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,760 So we have a very comprehensive list of sections 1658 01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:29,160 that we're going to repeal. 1659 01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:30,620 We'll be coming back before you 1660 01:13:30,620 --> 01:13:33,940 to kind of talk about this process and how that will go. 1661 01:13:33,940 --> 01:13:38,680 Ultimately, we're looking to have the ordinance in place. 1662 01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:40,460 So we certainly have the ordinance. 1663 01:13:40,460 --> 01:13:41,680 And then we can make certain 1664 01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:42,920 that we're repealing everything 1665 01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:44,880 prior to that effective date. 1666 01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:52,200 - I just wanted to finish the slide 1667 01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:54,520 just to talk about after the effective date 1668 01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:57,840 of the new code, where the DDC is a living document. 1669 01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,160 I've said this enough that it's becoming a cliche 1670 01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:01,000 in these presentations, 1671 01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,220 but it really is intended to be something 1672 01:14:03,220 --> 01:14:05,640 that you don't wait a full generation to update, 1673 01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:08,460 but that you update on a regular basis moving forward 1674 01:14:08,460 --> 01:14:10,080 in a thoughtful way. 1675 01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:12,480 We strongly encourage all the communities where we work 1676 01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:15,160 to track the effectiveness of the new code. 1677 01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:16,560 And we'll work with the staff 1678 01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,880 to think about the most effective ways to do that. 1679 01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,720 But you need to be tracking applications that come in. 1680 01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:23,980 You've got new thresholds for site plans. 1681 01:14:23,980 --> 01:14:25,880 Think about, look at the ones that come in 1682 01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:27,400 as major versus minor. 1683 01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:29,920 Step back at a retreat in a year and say, 1684 01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,760 are we comfortable that we set the line correctly 1685 01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:34,560 between major and minor? 1686 01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:36,700 Look at the variance requests that come in. 1687 01:14:36,700 --> 01:14:38,940 That's a good indicator of something that's broken 1688 01:14:38,940 --> 01:14:41,260 if you're getting consistent variance requests 1689 01:14:41,260 --> 01:14:43,440 on the same part of the code. 1690 01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:44,600 User-friendliness. 1691 01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,360 Maybe you put a survey up for the public 1692 01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,080 and say, the code's been in place for a year. 1693 01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:53,920 Y'all have anything to say about the user-friendliness of it? 1694 01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:55,800 Was it hard to find something? 1695 01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:57,460 Does this provision need a definition? 1696 01:14:57,460 --> 01:14:58,440 Does it need an illustration? 1697 01:14:58,440 --> 01:15:00,000 Things like that. 1698 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,880 Then once you've got all that information 1699 01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:04,080 and you've tracked that on a regular basis, 1700 01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,080 many communities look at batch updates. 1701 01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:09,120 So some communities will say twice a year, 1702 01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:10,880 we'll look at edits to the DDC. 1703 01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:12,000 We'll put them all in a basket. 1704 01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,280 We're not gonna make our planning commission 1705 01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:15,560 look at these every meeting, 1706 01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:17,200 but twice a year we're gonna come back and say, 1707 01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:18,840 these are the ones that have built up. 1708 01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,080 And then you can look at them comprehensively 1709 01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:22,760 and how they kind of interact with each other. 1710 01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:24,800 That's not to say that you can't pass an amendment 1711 01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,360 if some emergency situation comes up, obviously. 1712 01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,040 But the ability to step back 1713 01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:30,680 and just kind of look on a regular basis 1714 01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,840 is a really good tool to ensure that this is kind of monitored 1715 01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,360 and kind of done on a thoughtful basis. 1716 01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:39,980 So that's our last words on this. 1717 01:15:39,980 --> 01:15:43,480 We appreciate your attention. 1718 01:15:43,480 --> 01:15:44,380 That's a lot of information. 1719 01:15:44,380 --> 01:15:45,840 Any additional questions 1720 01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:47,680 on anything that we've covered today? 1721 01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:51,320 - Mr. Ellis. - Thank you. 1722 01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:52,360 I got a quick question. 1723 01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:55,520 When we were talking about measurement exceptions, 1724 01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,560 and I haven't studied the table that well, 1725 01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:01,520 are alternative energy sources mentioned on there 1726 01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,280 like IE solar panels, yes? 1727 01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:05,360 - I'm pretty sure we have exceptions 1728 01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:06,920 to the building height requirements 1729 01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:08,280 for rooftop solar panels. 1730 01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:09,120 - Yeah, okay. 1731 01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,280 - Well, I know we have it for wind. 1732 01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,360 I actually don't think we have it for solar panels. 1733 01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:16,880 We have it for wind energy conversion systems 1734 01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:18,760 up to 10 feet beyond the height. 1735 01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,800 - We can take a look at solar panels as well. 1736 01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:22,640 - I would have to think so. 1737 01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,120 I mean, to me, it would be a growing thing 1738 01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:26,340 that's happening, so. 1739 01:16:26,340 --> 01:16:29,500 Okay, thanks. 1740 01:16:29,500 --> 01:16:31,600 - You know, I know at one point 1741 01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,640 we had talked about revising that definition of height 1742 01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:35,960 and taking out, 1743 01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:39,000 'cause we currently have two definitions of building height, 1744 01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,200 but allowing sort of an exemption for equipment, 1745 01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:44,040 whether it falls under that or we just need to call it out. 1746 01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:47,800 We have a table of allowed features 1747 01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:50,800 that can extend beyond the maximum building height. 1748 01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:54,280 We just need to see what's in that table just to confirm. 1749 01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,160 - It may be also that they could fit 1750 01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,880 within the existing building height with some planning 1751 01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:00,480 because I think generally speaking, 1752 01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:01,840 if you got solar panels, 1753 01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:03,880 you're gonna want a flatter roof anyway. 1754 01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:06,020 So is it gonna be the roof pitch 1755 01:17:06,020 --> 01:17:09,780 that's going to be largely a determinant of that? 1756 01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:16,800 - Any other questions? 1757 01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:17,640 - Thank you all. 1758 01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:18,460 - Thank you. 1759 01:17:18,460 --> 01:17:19,300 Appreciate it. 1760 01:17:19,300 --> 01:17:22,280 Richard, is there anything else for this meeting? 1761 01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:24,560 - No, just to, we are having a community meeting 1762 01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:25,660 tonight at six. 1763 01:17:25,660 --> 01:17:28,680 Only three of you are invited. 1764 01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:30,940 (laughing) 1765 01:17:30,940 --> 01:17:35,660 I say that jokingly, but seriously. 1766 01:17:35,660 --> 01:17:39,420 So I don't, I just wanted to put that out there. 1767 01:17:39,420 --> 01:17:41,960 I don't know how, if everyone was attending, 1768 01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:42,800 planning on attending. 1769 01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:44,840 If not, we may have to draw straws. 1770 01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:46,520 That was it. 1771 01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:55,320 - We can certainly work that out. 1772 01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:59,320 Seeing no other items of business, 1773 01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:04,000 we'll close this work session at 523. 1774 01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:04,840 Thank you.