WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:08.880 Good morning, and welcome to this meeting of the Mobility Committee. 00:00:08.880 --> 00:00:10.360 We have a quorum present. 00:00:10.360 --> 00:00:16.000 I'm advised that we need to do this in an hour and a half, but I'm going to stick to 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:23.000 our new protocol that we will hear members of the present public, so I just ask you to 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:29.080 be super concise and let us know what you want us to know. 00:00:29.080 --> 00:00:30.340 We have a quorum present. 00:00:30.340 --> 00:00:36.520 I'll move right into our first item, which is item A, consider approval of the minutes 00:00:36.520 --> 00:00:40.280 of the Mobility Committee of the Denton City Council, meeting minutes of January 29th. 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:41.280 Move approval. 00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:42.280 I'll second. 00:00:42.280 --> 00:00:43.280 All in favor? 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:44.280 Aye. 00:00:44.280 --> 00:00:45.280 Aye. 00:00:45.280 --> 00:00:46.280 Aye. 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:47.280 Minutes are approved. 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:51.040 I'll move into item B, Receive Report, and hold the discussion regarding updates from 00:00:51.040 --> 00:00:56.760 the Denton County Transportation Authority from our very special guest, returning champion 00:00:56.760 --> 00:00:57.760 Sara Bagheri. 00:00:57.760 --> 00:01:05.260 [laughter] 00:01:05.260 --> 00:01:06.260 And her assistant. 00:01:06.260 --> 00:01:07.260 Right. 00:01:07.260 --> 00:01:08.260 Thanks, everybody, for having me. 00:01:08.260 --> 00:01:09.260 I appreciate it. 00:01:09.260 --> 00:01:10.280 I'll try to be brief. 00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:18.720 I brought the updated maps and schedules for -- oh, is it not on? 00:01:18.720 --> 00:01:19.720 It's green. 00:01:19.720 --> 00:01:20.720 It's on. 00:01:20.720 --> 00:01:21.720 Okay. 00:01:21.720 --> 00:01:26.280 I brought the updated maps and schedules, and I brought our budget document, and I just 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:30.880 wanted to go over some of the goals that they have at DCTA. 00:01:30.880 --> 00:01:34.520 I don't know how much you've been briefed prior, but there have been some changes to 00:01:34.520 --> 00:01:40.920 the legislative program as far as the language, just a couple minor tweaks to what constitutes 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:43.080 a quorum and what's a member city. 00:01:43.080 --> 00:01:47.480 So we'll have our legislative committee -- or our Executive Committee meeting today, and 00:01:47.480 --> 00:01:52.640 then we'll be down in Austin next week at Denton County Days advocating for that change. 00:01:52.640 --> 00:01:57.920 So that's kind of very, very near-term, created a local government company, or we are creating 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:02.680 a local government company, so that'll take kind of the whole situation with the bus drivers, 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:05.600 move it into a company. 00:02:05.600 --> 00:02:08.880 Implementing positive train control technology, that's another big one. 00:02:08.880 --> 00:02:14.840 And then just kind of looking forward, I know that the new legislation, should it be passed, 00:02:14.840 --> 00:02:18.120 one of you guys, one of the council members will be able to take the seat if they want 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:19.400 to. 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:25.040 I would recommend, however, the other member cities have their alternate as an assistant 00:02:25.040 --> 00:02:31.840 city manager, and I didn't run this by Mario, so he's probably upset, but anyway. 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:39.000 So I would recommend doing that, and the reason for that is, it would allow Mario or whoever 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:45.000 is in management to sit in on the closed sessions, and in the closed sessions, we go over some 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:50.760 of the economic development and longer-term planning for the corridor, and I think that 00:02:50.760 --> 00:02:55.220 would be really helpful for somebody in management to be aware of what's happening on the Louisville 00:02:55.220 --> 00:02:58.960 end of things, and what could happen on the Denton end of things, and vice versa. 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:03.440 So it just would improve communication, in my opinion, sorry. 00:03:03.440 --> 00:03:06.960 It's got lots of spare time. 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:07.960 Yeah, I know. 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:12.280 Well, I mean, I think somebody, just sending somebody that is employed by the city would 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:16.840 be a good idea, because you would have some consistency, and you could actually have that 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:20.680 information pipeline a little bit better. 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:24.120 So I guess if there are any questions about any of the legislative stuff, I'll answer 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:28.080 those, and then just move into really quickly some of the goals. 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:29.840 Go ahead. 00:03:29.840 --> 00:03:30.840 Okay. 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:33.240 So short-term goals, obviously, increased ridership. 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:38.040 They did increase bus ridership this last quarter by reducing fares. 00:03:38.040 --> 00:03:42.200 Train ridership is down, and that's definitely been one of my discussion topics, is how do 00:03:42.200 --> 00:03:43.920 we get train ridership up. 00:03:43.920 --> 00:03:49.560 That inevitably leads to the longer-term goals of extending the train line, and connecting 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:52.920 to US 380. 00:03:52.920 --> 00:03:57.040 And I don't know, John, you might know more about this, but my understanding is that the 00:03:57.040 --> 00:04:03.160 cog has a long-term goal of having transit connectivity in the 380 corridor. 00:04:03.160 --> 00:04:05.880 And so Denton is a really critical piece of that. 00:04:05.880 --> 00:04:12.080 So that's kind of very high-level, that's something to consider. 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:17.240 Otherwise, I think DCT will probably look more towards extending a train line, like 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:24.320 from Lewisville to Frisco is kind of another option that's being discussed, and obviously 00:04:24.320 --> 00:04:31.160 my preference would be to have a Denton connectivity rather than the Frisco, that other train line. 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:36.960 So anyway, all very high-level, and I'm leaving the budget document, which has the guidance 00:04:36.960 --> 00:04:43.380 strategic plan in here, and you guys can take a look in your off time, which is so numerous, 00:04:43.380 --> 00:04:46.840 I'm sure you have a lot of spare time to read this. 00:04:46.840 --> 00:04:50.720 So anyway, it's actually a pretty easy thing to peruse. 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:56.240 What's the sort of most critical piece of that document? 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:57.800 It kind of depends on what your interests are. 00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:01.240 If your interests are the future, then I think the strategic planning document is probably 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:04.440 the best thing to look at, to see kind of what's on. 00:05:04.440 --> 00:05:08.480 I know when I was on council, that's what I really didn't understand, was like where 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:11.400 is this agency going, like what's happening with the agency. 00:05:11.400 --> 00:05:14.280 So I think that is probably the most helpful. 00:05:14.280 --> 00:05:18.800 If your interest is the financial aspect of it, the budget portion is very concise, and 00:05:18.800 --> 00:05:19.800 it's easy to read. 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:25.880 I mean, really shortly, briefly, the train takes up half the budget, other operations 00:05:25.880 --> 00:05:26.880 take up another half. 00:05:26.880 --> 00:05:31.360 The other thing I should mention, really, okay, well the other thing I should mention 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:38.240 is that DCTA, I don't think I understood this before I really got into the weeds there. 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:39.920 They are a leveraging organization. 00:05:39.920 --> 00:05:41.400 That's how I think of it. 00:05:41.400 --> 00:05:47.000 Yes, we give them sales tax, but they leverage that into federal monies that come to Texas, 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:52.400 and Texas is a net exporter of taxes, so DCTA is one of the ways that you can bring federal 00:05:52.400 --> 00:05:55.160 money back into the region. 00:05:55.160 --> 00:05:58.320 So I guess regardless of politics, that's really the reality of the situation, is that's 00:05:58.320 --> 00:06:02.100 how we get federal money. 00:06:02.100 --> 00:06:03.100 Please. 00:06:03.100 --> 00:06:06.680 I had a question and then I just forgot it. 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:09.600 Was it this noise? 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:14.560 So on the strategic plan, who creates that document? 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:18.560 They have somebody that they hire to do it, is my understanding. 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:21.840 And then it goes, they present it to the board, and then the board approves it kind of like 00:06:21.840 --> 00:06:22.840 how? 00:06:22.840 --> 00:06:23.840 Yeah, just it's here. 00:06:23.840 --> 00:06:25.640 Same process as here, really. 00:06:25.640 --> 00:06:26.640 Okay. 00:06:26.640 --> 00:06:33.200 There had been some news and articles on DCTA looking to change their contractors, is that? 00:06:33.200 --> 00:06:38.200 That's a part of the local government corporation, so it's not that the contractors will change, 00:06:38.200 --> 00:06:43.480 the people will stay the same, but rather than them being contractors, they will become 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:48.400 employees of the local government corporation, which then a portion of our board will probably 00:06:48.400 --> 00:06:53.240 be a board of the local government corporation, so it'll be more like they're employees rather 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:54.240 than contractors. 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:55.240 Okay. 00:06:55.240 --> 00:07:00.640 So it's kind of, I guess transit agencies use these local government corporations pretty 00:07:00.640 --> 00:07:05.400 regularly for employment and things of that nature. 00:07:05.400 --> 00:07:06.400 Okay. 00:07:06.400 --> 00:07:07.400 Thank you. 00:07:07.400 --> 00:07:08.400 Okay. 00:07:08.400 --> 00:07:09.400 Great. 00:07:09.400 --> 00:07:16.840 Yeah, I'll ask staff just so that we can get the knowledge permeated more quickly to copy 00:07:16.840 --> 00:07:21.840 off, I'll ask Robin to copy off the strategic plan on the budget summary so we all get that 00:07:21.840 --> 00:07:24.840 right away and then we can take turns on the big book. 00:07:24.840 --> 00:07:25.840 Okay. 00:07:25.840 --> 00:07:26.840 Thank you. 00:07:26.840 --> 00:07:27.840 All right. 00:07:27.840 --> 00:07:28.840 Thanks, guys. 00:07:28.840 --> 00:07:29.840 Thanks for coming by. 00:07:29.840 --> 00:07:30.840 Thank you. 00:07:30.840 --> 00:07:31.840 Bye. 00:07:31.840 --> 00:07:37.280 Mr. Chair, would you, just because I know that we had not had in the past for mobility, we 00:07:37.280 --> 00:07:41.440 would have periodic updates from DCTA to the Mobility Committee. 00:07:41.440 --> 00:07:45.720 Is this something you would like to see on a monthly basis or how often would you like 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:48.760 to have, just to where we can coordinate with Ms. McGarry? 00:07:48.760 --> 00:07:53.360 Do you have a recommendation about how frequently there's sort of anything new to say? 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:57.680 Well, the other thing is do you want staff here because I can, you know, we can ask somebody 00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:01.800 from DCTA staff to be here as well, and they can probably provide more detail. 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:02.800 Oh, I'm sorry. 00:08:02.800 --> 00:08:03.800 Yeah, yeah. 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:04.800 Mike. 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:05.800 Right. 00:08:05.800 --> 00:08:06.800 Forgot the situation. 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:07.800 Yeah. 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:08.800 Yeah. 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:09.800 Okay. 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:10.800 The other question is do you want staff here so that they can answer questions in more 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:11.800 detail? 00:08:11.800 --> 00:08:12.800 I'm kind of looking to you for guidance, like is, you know, is there stuff that, because 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:15.800 I don't know what I don't know, you know. 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:20.280 We're probably pretty busy right now because of the legislative issue, so I would think 00:08:20.280 --> 00:08:23.920 that you would want pretty frequent updates on what happens with the board composition. 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:24.920 Yeah. 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:27.920 So I'd say then let's go ahead and, you know, let's say monthly. 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:28.920 Sure. 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:36.000 And by all means, if staff can come along and fill in any part of the picture that you don't 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:40.200 think, you know, if you think it would be helpful to you and convey to us, that would 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:41.200 be great. 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:44.200 Yeah, I mean, I'll see who on staff wants to come by and I'll bring them next time. 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:45.200 Yeah. 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:46.200 Thank you very much. 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:47.200 Okay. 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:52.180 So let's close out item A, opening B, and for those who came in later, we're trying 00:08:52.180 --> 00:08:57.560 to do this in an hour and a half, but, excuse me, that was B, so I'm moving on to C. So 00:08:57.560 --> 00:09:03.480 I want to hear members of the public just ask you to be concise, you know, because we've 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:11.840 spoken before, most of us, you know, so try to focus on the new thing you want us to hear. 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:16.320 Item B is receive a report and hold, excuse me, item C is receive a report, hold the discussion, 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:20.360 and staff direction regarding recent developments to establish bicycle lanes on West Hickory 00:09:20.360 --> 00:09:23.920 Street between Avenue B and Welch Street. 00:09:23.920 --> 00:09:26.880 And we've got three cards, Kim McKibbin. 00:09:26.880 --> 00:09:27.880 Oh, yeah. 00:09:27.880 --> 00:09:28.880 Oh, yeah. 00:09:28.880 --> 00:09:29.880 Oh, sorry. 00:09:29.880 --> 00:09:30.880 Staff presentation. 00:09:30.880 --> 00:09:31.880 Yeah, staff presentation. 00:09:31.880 --> 00:09:32.880 You have presentation for us? 00:09:32.880 --> 00:09:33.880 Yeah. 00:09:33.880 --> 00:09:34.880 Yeah. 00:09:34.880 --> 00:09:35.880 Why don't you do that then? 00:09:35.880 --> 00:09:36.880 Then we'll do that. 00:09:36.880 --> 00:09:41.440 Pretend that you're a traffic engineer for the city. 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:44.080 Good morning, everyone. 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:45.200 Just a quick update. 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:50.280 I know we went through the whole presentation and looked at a bunch of options and alternatives, 00:09:50.280 --> 00:09:54.840 their viability, feasibility, recommendations from consultant. 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:57.640 And we went back, there were a few questions that were asked. 00:09:57.640 --> 00:10:01.580 We went back and looked at what is feasible? 00:10:01.580 --> 00:10:03.880 Is it even an option? 00:10:03.880 --> 00:10:10.560 The committee recommended alternative or option three, which required going over in this side 00:10:10.560 --> 00:10:17.120 and either widening this particular path into the UNT property to accommodate both bike 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:23.800 as well as pedestrians or have a separate pedestrian path and then convert this particular 00:10:23.800 --> 00:10:27.600 existing sidewalk piece into a bike lane. 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:31.760 So we looked at those options. 00:10:31.760 --> 00:10:38.980 Also in the interim, we went through the Traffic Safety Committee, which was on February 4th. 00:10:38.980 --> 00:10:45.280 They voted, they discussed all the alternatives and voted unanimously to approve or move forward 00:10:45.280 --> 00:10:50.480 with alternative two, which is taking parking on the south side out and replacing it with 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:53.760 a bike lane. 00:10:53.760 --> 00:11:01.240 The alternative three requires us taking some either access easement or either sidewalk 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:07.320 easement, some sign of easement or right of way from UNT in order to widen the existing 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:09.120 pedestrian path. 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:14.360 And we met with UNT on February 4th to discuss this option. 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:16.680 They said they would get back to us. 00:11:16.680 --> 00:11:22.480 I think last week, mid to late last week, they got back to us. 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:27.960 And what on February 6th actually responded that they're not interested in giving up any 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:35.600 easements, access or right of way property for converting that area into a pedestrian 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:37.860 bike facility. 00:11:37.860 --> 00:11:46.080 So at this point, option three is not feasible since UNT is the only area or just the south 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:51.540 side is the only area that we can widen onto to accommodate every aspect. 00:11:51.540 --> 00:11:53.520 North side, the buildings are really closed. 00:11:53.520 --> 00:11:58.960 The sidewalk is a minimal sidewalk given the utilities on the north side. 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:09.200 So at this point, given that UNT is not ready to work with us or provide access or sidewalk 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:14.960 easement, alternative three is not an option. 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:17.000 The committee directed us, yes. 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:20.280 Who did you speak with at UNT? 00:12:20.280 --> 00:12:24.440 It was David Reynolds, the Associate Vice President for Facilities. 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:25.440 Thank you. 00:12:25.440 --> 00:12:29.720 We do have an email from him saying that they're not interested in pursuing that. 00:12:29.720 --> 00:12:37.600 Yeah, I was, you know, kind of, yeah, obviously take questions as you have them, but you know, 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:41.520 my thought about this was, once you reminded me, we have a presentation, hear the presentation, 00:12:41.520 --> 00:12:48.160 hear the public, and then deliberate, but, you know, if you, especially if it also helps 00:12:48.160 --> 00:12:50.920 members of the public to get the questions answered, that's cool. 00:12:50.920 --> 00:12:57.440 So I want to quickly go and talk about the last piece of this, last bullet. 00:12:57.440 --> 00:13:05.160 Talked about changing the way traffic flows on Avenue A, the south side of Hickory Street. 00:13:05.160 --> 00:13:08.780 See if we can add more parking in that particular area. 00:13:08.780 --> 00:13:16.840 To that end, this process is probably going to take anywhere between two to three months 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:23.040 given that we have to coordinate with the businesses first, secondly, DCTA, and third, 00:13:23.040 --> 00:13:29.400 we have to see the feasibility if we have to reroute DCTA traffic to the intersection 00:13:29.400 --> 00:13:31.880 of Welch and Hickory. 00:13:31.880 --> 00:13:37.360 Very narrow intersection that turning radius is not present, so if we do anything with 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:42.600 changing the pattern at Avenue A and Hickory, there are implications that we may have to 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:48.560 move DCTA buses to this intersection, and given the direction that we go, there might 00:13:48.560 --> 00:13:50.600 be upgrades to Oak and Welch as well. 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:56.240 So this might take about two to three months to go through the engineering process, to 00:13:56.240 --> 00:14:02.440 go through the public engagement piece, and finding out exactly, especially with these 00:14:02.440 --> 00:14:09.000 business owners, they use this loading area quite extensively. 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:14.280 This loading area, you can see Jimmy Johns, you can see the pizza folks that are lined 00:14:14.280 --> 00:14:15.280 up. 00:14:15.280 --> 00:14:16.640 They want to get in and out quickly. 00:14:16.640 --> 00:14:20.480 They have deliveries that they make, so this is a complete loading area. 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:22.840 There are about 10 spaces there currently. 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:24.760 It's about 200 feet. 00:14:24.760 --> 00:14:33.360 So we do have to engage them extensively and understand they are using it, obviously. 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:40.920 Understand that do they want those 10 spaces back even after going to an angled parking. 00:14:40.920 --> 00:14:46.240 So if we go to an angled parking, this may accommodate about 18 to 20 spaces, just from 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:50.640 the planning level, high level review. 00:14:50.640 --> 00:14:56.680 Of that, we have to, if they want, we have to give back 10 more spaces for loading, so 00:14:56.680 --> 00:14:59.920 we're down to nine to 10 spaces net gain. 00:14:59.920 --> 00:15:02.080 That's the way I look at it at this point. 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:07.360 We'll have to talk to businesses and see if we can gain all 20 spaces if we go that route. 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:12.280 There are a lot of unknowns, so we don't know that this is a feasible alternative at this 00:15:12.280 --> 00:15:16.280 point, about a two-month process, as I mentioned. 00:15:16.280 --> 00:15:24.200 So that's a quick report back to the committee on what we've found. 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:32.000 As far as moving forward with one of the alternatives, currently Hickory Street is completing construction 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:33.700 in summer. 00:15:33.700 --> 00:15:36.400 If we pick an alternative, we go to council. 00:15:36.400 --> 00:15:41.280 I think it takes about a month to get on the agenda and another month for engineering design 00:15:41.280 --> 00:15:44.520 of signing and striping the alternative that we pick. 00:15:44.520 --> 00:15:48.720 So it's about a two-month process, so we want to make sure that we get ahead and not wait 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:55.840 until the last minute after the street is completed with, given the pedestrian, the 00:15:55.840 --> 00:16:01.400 amount of traffic flow, and the whole area, it doesn't make any sense to leave it unmarked 00:16:01.400 --> 00:16:02.800 or tabbed. 00:16:02.800 --> 00:16:08.920 So we want to make sure that we are ahead and align things appropriately as far as schedule. 00:16:08.920 --> 00:16:13.160 So that's why we're bringing this forward and we want to move forward. 00:16:13.160 --> 00:16:15.600 I'll leave it up to the committee to discuss what alternative. 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:24.480 Actually, I'll ask a question just because it might help the community as well as us. 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:29.680 If you stripe it in any particular fashion now and then you have a different decision 00:16:29.680 --> 00:16:34.720 later, is that doable or what's involved? 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:35.720 Yeah. 00:16:35.720 --> 00:16:40.760 I mean, it's doable, depending on how extensive, but if it's brand-new pavement, you have to 00:16:40.760 --> 00:16:42.800 actually go and grind it down. 00:16:42.800 --> 00:16:45.040 So that will leave the markings. 00:16:45.040 --> 00:16:47.600 We have to come back and reseal it. 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:51.720 So it's cost implications and it's doable. 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:52.720 Okay. 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:58.360 I don't have more to ask about that. 00:16:58.360 --> 00:17:10.680 Thanks, let's hear from folks with blue cards, Kim McKibbin. 00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:11.680 My name is Kim McKibbin. 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:15.440 I own a building and business at 1306 West Hickory. 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:19.360 I'm pleased to finally hear Preetem say something is doable. 00:17:19.360 --> 00:17:24.160 Frequently, what I hear is more of, "We can't do that. 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:25.160 That's impossible. 00:17:25.160 --> 00:17:26.360 It'll take too long." 00:17:26.360 --> 00:17:33.760 We did receive information from the city this week at the businesses there that at most 00:17:33.760 --> 00:17:39.440 would be finished at the end of April and they'll start at the beginning of May in tearing 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:41.760 up the streets and redoing the sidewalks. 00:17:41.760 --> 00:17:46.440 A lot of the curbs will have to be done, I would think, because they're deteriorated 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:47.440 on that side. 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:50.640 So do we have two months to figure this out? 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:52.280 Yeah, we do. 00:17:52.280 --> 00:17:59.200 I do continue to believe that there are solutions to this so that the bicyclists get a bicycle 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:05.560 lane and that there is adequate parking or parking found in other places within a thousand 00:18:05.560 --> 00:18:11.520 foot radius to accommodate the businesses, but it will take work and it will take, "Yes, 00:18:11.520 --> 00:18:16.240 we can figure this out instead of we can't do this." 00:18:16.240 --> 00:18:19.880 One of the things that I am concerned about is the bicycle people have been promised a 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:22.820 protected bicycle lane all along West Hickory. 00:18:22.820 --> 00:18:28.440 I drove yesterday in the rain from Bonnie Bray all the way down to where the construction 00:18:28.440 --> 00:18:29.440 is. 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:33.240 At some points the bicycle lane end signs are still up. 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:37.720 There is no protected bicycle lane and there is a three foot stripe along the curb for 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:38.720 the bicyclists. 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:43.920 So we do need to make sure that they're getting what they've petitioned for repeatedly and 00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:46.840 been quite tenacious about. 00:18:46.840 --> 00:18:52.000 The other thing is the sidewalk that UNT is saying they don't want to give up any right 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:57.520 away is a very wide sidewalk and it is eight to nine feet wide. 00:18:57.520 --> 00:19:03.280 If the bicycle lane is currently only three to five feet wide on the rest of the parts 00:19:03.280 --> 00:19:10.200 of Hickory, I still don't understand why that can't be utilized in a raised pavement or 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:17.240 raised walk put over part of the sidewalk that is going to have to be replaced when the streets 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:18.240 are redone. 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:20.640 Atmos did tear up a bunch of stuff. 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:25.760 If you'll notice or maybe you hadn't even moved the fire hydrants recently. 00:19:25.760 --> 00:19:28.920 They moved them from the curbside to the inside. 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:33.480 So somewhere in this this has been coming together. 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:41.240 I also want to state that I found out that this project was never cleared with the business 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:47.560 owners on Hickory Street prior to it starting or when the bicycle plan was being put together. 00:19:47.560 --> 00:19:52.040 I do have the number of the business owners if you'd like to speak with them at some point. 00:19:52.040 --> 00:19:58.560 My concern is as these things go forward that the community needs to be more involved. 00:19:58.560 --> 00:20:02.800 There needs to be conversations with people and not just this is what we're going to do 00:20:02.800 --> 00:20:07.480 and you can't do anything about it, but how do you see this coming out and working from 00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:09.600 a functional standpoint. 00:20:09.600 --> 00:20:15.860 So you know as the city transitions into a more multimodal sort of place, we are going 00:20:15.860 --> 00:20:20.480 to have to work harder and yes it's going to take time and it may take more staff and 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:25.440 it may take more money, but making it functional is what it's all about. 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:38.360 Thank you. 00:20:38.360 --> 00:20:39.360 My name is Susie. 00:20:39.360 --> 00:20:41.720 I live at 1700 Crescent Street. 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:44.840 It's about a mile from the area in question. 00:20:44.840 --> 00:20:47.720 My new piece of information I have is regarding density. 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:51.800 So previously I've sort of shared some information with all of you. 00:20:51.800 --> 00:20:58.280 Last night at 622 I emailed all of you some additional density calculations I've attempted. 00:20:58.280 --> 00:21:04.480 But previously I've sent you all some studies of other cities that replaced some parking 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:10.160 with a protected bike lane and you know it's not dentin, I understand that. 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:13.440 But so I was like okay well what's the density comparisons? 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:19.720 So I did the best I could with the time I had to find the density of population in the 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:23.000 cities that were studied and compare them to Oak Gateway. 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:28.720 So what I found was according to the Oak Gateway area plan, there are 24,000 residents and 00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:33.680 I don't know if that includes UNT residents or not, but there are 24,000 residents within 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:39.120 it's about 1.8 square miles I used Google to sort of measure it so it's a pretty small 00:21:39.120 --> 00:21:45.960 area and if I measured from like the Hickory Street businesses to each area at each piece 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:49.400 of the perimeter it was about a mile and a half. 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:55.320 And of those 24,000 residents almost 80% are younger than 35 so they're pretty young. 00:21:55.320 --> 00:22:01.080 And so that's a population density of maybe a little over 12,972. 00:22:01.080 --> 00:22:04.080 Because I don't have a slide I'm going to hold this up so you all can remember that 00:22:04.080 --> 00:22:05.080 number. 00:22:05.080 --> 00:22:10.600 All right so in Seattle where the density is about 18,000 people per square mile they 00:22:10.600 --> 00:22:13.800 removed 12 parking spots to install a protected bike lane. 00:22:13.800 --> 00:22:18.720 The sales index in the affected area increased more than surrounding areas. 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:24.620 On Bloor Street in Toronto where the density is about 13,920 people per square mile they 00:22:24.620 --> 00:22:28.800 removed 136 on street spaces to put in a protected bike lane. 00:22:28.800 --> 00:22:33.660 And the transactional volume so they couldn't do sales tax stuff there but the transactional 00:22:33.660 --> 00:22:41.120 volume increased about 4.45% compared to about 2.2% in surrounding areas or a very similar 00:22:41.120 --> 00:22:45.000 area actually that had not removed any parking and did not put in a bike lane. 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:50.140 So the one with the bike lane actually increased even though they removed 136 spots. 00:22:50.140 --> 00:22:56.080 In downtown Salt Lake City where the density is only 1,559 so way less than this right 00:22:56.080 --> 00:23:01.200 here they converted six blocks of angled parking into parallel spots. 00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:05.240 So that's you know a net loss of parking but they put in a protective bike lane with some 00:23:05.240 --> 00:23:08.400 other things to make it look nicer. 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:15.840 And in that area the sales tax receipts rose 8.8% with 79% of businesses saying that business 00:23:15.840 --> 00:23:21.760 was good and 16% of those businesses indicated that business is up or setting records. 00:23:21.760 --> 00:23:26.680 So much less dense than here and you know things still went up. 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:29.440 So other bike friendly places just to compare. 00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:33.920 Downtown Portland, Portland is a big bike city they have about 6.3% of people bike to 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:39.400 work and their density in downtown is about 15,000 per square mile. 00:23:39.400 --> 00:23:45.280 Davis, California has a commuter population that bikes about 16% and their density is 00:23:45.280 --> 00:23:52.000 about citywide is about 6,515 and in Boulder, Colorado another very bike friendly city it's 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:54.920 just outside of a larger city of Denver. 00:23:54.920 --> 00:24:01.880 You have a density of about 4,351 people per square mile citywide and they have 9% of people 00:24:01.880 --> 00:24:02.880 bike to work. 00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:07.600 So the density is very similar to the studies it kind of falls in line there and so I hope 00:24:07.600 --> 00:24:08.600 you'll consider that. 00:24:08.600 --> 00:24:09.600 Thank you. 00:24:09.600 --> 00:24:10.600 Thanks. 00:24:10.600 --> 00:24:11.600 Thanks for all that. 00:24:11.600 --> 00:24:12.840 I had a question for her. 00:24:12.840 --> 00:24:13.840 No question. 00:24:13.840 --> 00:24:25.480 So in all the other areas that you did was there significant other like protected pedestrian 00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:31.440 infrastructure surrounding it or was it just simple bike lane put in the middle of speeding 00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:35.040 traffic with no other controls? 00:24:35.040 --> 00:24:40.220 There was, in one case it was a curb protected bike lane and there were other improvements 00:24:40.220 --> 00:24:44.440 to make it a more pleasant place to be so I would encourage that in this area, additional 00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:50.880 things to make it pleasant but yeah in most cases they reduced parking and put in a protected 00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:54.280 bike lane so if you just do it unprotected you're not going to get, you're going to 00:24:54.280 --> 00:24:57.480 get people like me who already bike using it but you may not encourage new people to 00:24:57.480 --> 00:24:58.480 use it. 00:24:58.480 --> 00:24:59.480 Thank you. 00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:01.520 Thanks. 00:25:01.520 --> 00:25:05.680 Garrett Roemoor. 00:25:05.680 --> 00:25:21.000 Hello, excuse me, I'm Garrett Roemoor I live at 1700 Crescent and yeah to keep it concise 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:23.800 I wanted to voice again my support for option two. 00:25:23.800 --> 00:25:30.220 I think it fits most with the existing bicycle lane design on the road. 00:25:30.220 --> 00:25:39.120 It's also the most fiscally responsible is where I come to but it's reasonable choice 00:25:39.120 --> 00:25:47.280 that's been offered and yeah I'd really just like to see a safe way to move through the 00:25:47.280 --> 00:25:54.240 area if it's through fits with our existing decisions as a city through the bicycle plan 00:25:54.240 --> 00:26:00.880 and it aligns with all of our, I guess current talking points as far as wanting a multimodal 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:07.520 way to move about town and then it also is is also present in our future planning documents 00:26:07.520 --> 00:26:14.040 with like the 2030 plan so I think it just makes sense to go ahead and finish up and 00:26:14.040 --> 00:26:20.440 complete the connection for the bike network in this segment so thank you for your time. 00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:21.440 Thank you. 00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:22.440 Patrice Lake. 00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:37.480 Hi, there we go, Patrice Lake, 1109 Egan Street, sorry I was late but I'm here to speak in 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:44.320 support of option two and I just want to give you the historical aspect of the bike plan 00:26:44.320 --> 00:26:50.960 because I was on planning and zoning when a big portion of the bike plan was being vetted 00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:57.600 so I want to take issue with the you know the charge that there was lack of transparency 00:26:57.600 --> 00:27:00.760 during the bike plan. 00:27:00.760 --> 00:27:07.880 First of all, it was a two-year-long process really more than a two-year-long process. 00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:12.620 I was on there with you. 00:27:12.620 --> 00:27:18.760 Council member Ryan was on the commission with me when we worked through the bike plan. 00:27:18.760 --> 00:27:26.280 There was a focus group and again TOMA requires that all those meetings are open to the public 00:27:26.280 --> 00:27:31.800 that they are posted, that people know that they can come so even if somebody is going 00:27:31.800 --> 00:27:37.960 to hold your hand and bring you to that meeting, that meeting is open to you to come to give 00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:41.720 input and to become part of the process. 00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:44.120 There were two public meetings. 00:27:44.120 --> 00:27:48.980 Of course meetings are different than hearings so there were two hearings, one at planning 00:27:48.980 --> 00:27:52.640 and zoning, one at city council. 00:27:52.640 --> 00:28:00.960 So there was two years worth of time for people to come, give their input and for the plan 00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:10.280 itself to be moved around, to be amended, to be changed to meet the needs of the city 00:28:10.280 --> 00:28:16.520 of Denton and that includes bike riders, it includes pedestrians, it includes business 00:28:16.520 --> 00:28:21.880 owners, it includes the city and the engineers who have to engineer this. 00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:27.560 So as somebody who lives a four minute bike ride from Hickory street, which is also an 00:28:27.560 --> 00:28:33.280 11 minute walk, I can testify to the density in this area. 00:28:33.280 --> 00:28:38.760 As chairperson of the gateway small area plan, I ran the numbers, I've lived in the neighborhood 00:28:38.760 --> 00:28:45.680 for 20 years and I can tell you that this is an area that with the proper infrastructure 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:53.440 is only going to increase non-vehicular traffic and that of course is what we need in this 00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:54.440 area. 00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:59.480 More people taking alternative transportation routes, whether it is their feet, whether 00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:04.440 it is two wheels on a bicycle, whether it's a long board. 00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:09.360 One of the things we haven't talked about, I don't know if Susie has mentioned it, but 00:29:09.360 --> 00:29:18.360 air quality, the air quality in the center of Denton can be somewhat deleterious to your 00:29:18.360 --> 00:29:19.640 health. 00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:24.840 That's the reason that we require an SUP for drive throughs in the core of Denton so that 00:29:24.840 --> 00:29:30.180 you don't have idling traffic waiting in your drive throughs. 00:29:30.180 --> 00:29:32.960 So for instance, Jack in the Box is grandfathered. 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:38.480 We can't do anything with the Jack in the Box at the corner of Hickory and Avenue B, 00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:43.180 but further drive throughs in the area have to go through the SUP process. 00:29:43.180 --> 00:29:45.040 It's air quality. 00:29:45.040 --> 00:29:51.240 And if we want to increase those multimodal transportation, want to increase people walking, 00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:57.240 people biking, decrease the potential for idling cars and the air pollution involved 00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:04.740 with that, we need to take a look at the quickest option, the cheapest option, and the option 00:30:04.740 --> 00:30:09.520 that we voted on after a two-year process in 2012. 00:30:09.520 --> 00:30:11.200 Thank you. 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:12.200 Thank you very much. 00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:21.560 Just thinking protocol-wise, for public hearing, generally, you can -- I don't know who I'm 00:30:21.560 --> 00:30:22.560 asking. 00:30:22.560 --> 00:30:23.560 Y'all. 00:30:23.560 --> 00:30:24.560 Yeah, yeah. 00:30:24.560 --> 00:30:29.560 So you've got to have a blue card here with a public hearing that say you can have people 00:30:29.560 --> 00:30:30.560 who don't have blue cards. 00:30:30.560 --> 00:30:35.240 I just want to know if I should ask if there's anyone else who wants to speak or not. 00:30:35.240 --> 00:30:36.240 Right. 00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:37.240 No. 00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:40.800 This isn't posted as a public hearing, so they would have to have a blue card. 00:30:40.800 --> 00:30:41.800 Okay. 00:30:41.800 --> 00:30:45.240 I just want to make sure it wasn't needlessly frustrating, anyone who came. 00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:46.240 So all right. 00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:47.240 So we're on. 00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:48.240 Okay. 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:51.240 Questions for staff and comments and deliberation. 00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:52.240 Yeah. 00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:55.280 I've got a couple of questions. 00:30:55.280 --> 00:30:59.760 What would -- if we went with -- I guess I'm leaning towards option five because losing 00:30:59.760 --> 00:31:06.560 24 spaces just does not really work real well in that area. 00:31:06.560 --> 00:31:10.040 If -- when we replace that sidewalk, what's the difference between what's at sidewalk 00:31:10.040 --> 00:31:16.200 being replaced, you know, because it's deteriorating, and it being used in the future for a bike 00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:17.200 lane? 00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:22.880 If we were to negotiate further with UNT, because I feel like, you know, we give up 00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:25.320 a lot to UNT. 00:31:25.320 --> 00:31:28.120 They control a lot of the parking in that area, and that's one of the big things to 00:31:28.120 --> 00:31:32.440 me is these are 24 spaces that they don't have control of that all of our citizens can 00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:37.640 use, not just students, that you get any further in, and you're starting to get to parking 00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:41.560 that, you know, you get ticketed and towed and et cetera. 00:31:41.560 --> 00:31:42.560 So which -- 00:31:42.560 --> 00:31:50.120 So first portion is the amount of space required for a bike lane is at a minimum six feet. 00:31:50.120 --> 00:31:54.480 We have to consider the buffers on either side and a minimum sidewalk width is five 00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:55.480 feet. 00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:59.240 Considering that, we require more than what's there today. 00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:03.920 Yes, we can continue working with UNT and see if we can get a couple feet or four feet 00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:10.720 on the other side and have both in the same general area. 00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:15.720 Portions of the sidewalk are bad, not the entire stretch, so it's pretty -- we wouldn't 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:20.360 go back and do anything with the sidewalk on the sections that are not bad. 00:32:20.360 --> 00:32:26.560 So that's something that would be -- that would eventually happen, not immediately. 00:32:26.560 --> 00:32:34.240 So to answer your question, yes, we can continue working with UNT and see if that's still an 00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:37.240 option to get more width. 00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:41.520 But option five, I think, is just having the sharos. 00:32:41.520 --> 00:32:43.720 Is that what you're saying? 00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:49.300 With the alternate calming devices and that type of -- 00:32:49.300 --> 00:32:54.300 So go with alternative five as an interim and we'll continue working to get alternative 00:32:54.300 --> 00:32:55.300 option three. 00:32:55.300 --> 00:32:57.520 Is that what you're asking or is that -- 00:32:57.520 --> 00:33:02.760 I'm asking if that's feasible that, you know, if we just -- we do what repair we need to 00:33:02.760 --> 00:33:06.760 do to the existing sidewalk that would become a bike lane if we're able to negotiate with 00:33:06.760 --> 00:33:09.480 UNT in the future. 00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:10.480 Are there differences? 00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:14.200 Because I would think that ADA ramps and the ramp for the bike to be on there should be 00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:15.200 similar. 00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:21.960 Yes, they're slightly different but we'll have to separate the ADA component, pedestrian 00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:25.080 component with respect to the bike. 00:33:25.080 --> 00:33:31.160 So ideally, when the option three was presented, it was that the bike lane would be slightly 00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:32.160 lower. 00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:37.180 There will be a curb between the bike lane and the pedestrian walkway. 00:33:37.180 --> 00:33:39.760 That clearly delineates. 00:33:39.760 --> 00:33:45.760 If we don't have that, then there's always a mixing and that's where most of the safety 00:33:45.760 --> 00:33:47.440 concerns lie. 00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:54.080 So we can continue exploring that alternative and implement five. 00:33:54.080 --> 00:33:55.080 I mean -- 00:33:55.080 --> 00:34:00.360 Yeah, I think our discussion on our last meeting kind of leaned towards working with UNT to 00:34:00.360 --> 00:34:04.360 do a curving sidewalk to mingle through the trees so we wouldn't have to take any out. 00:34:04.360 --> 00:34:07.440 If you put it directly next to it, there are a number of trees that would have to come 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:08.440 out. 00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:09.440 Correct. 00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:13.040 So we're able to do minimal damage by weaving through there. 00:34:13.040 --> 00:34:17.720 Yes, and we did talk to them about that and they're not -- at this point, at least they're 00:34:17.720 --> 00:34:18.720 not interested. 00:34:18.720 --> 00:34:22.040 Would you mind expanding on what their comments were? 00:34:22.040 --> 00:34:28.880 Just straight up folded arms, no conversation or was there a reason or why don't they care 00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:29.880 about it? 00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:31.920 I can read it to you because there was an email. 00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:35.200 Before you answer it, let me -- I think Councilmember Briggs wants to add here. 00:34:35.200 --> 00:34:39.360 And just what the ask was, like I just want to know what the ask was. 00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:40.360 As well. 00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:41.360 Yeah, how was it presented? 00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:42.360 Yeah. 00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:43.360 Yeah, what did we say? 00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:44.360 What did they say? 00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:45.360 Yeah. 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:48.640 So I'll have more talk about what did we say, but I can tell you there's an email I can 00:34:48.640 --> 00:34:49.640 read. 00:34:49.640 --> 00:34:55.400 There was a response from Dave to Mark saying, "I checked, sorry, but no interest in UNT giving 00:34:55.400 --> 00:35:00.880 up more property for bike lanes or new sidewalks on Hickory Street." 00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:02.600 That was one sentence response. 00:35:02.600 --> 00:35:03.600 Okay. 00:35:03.600 --> 00:35:10.640 That was in response to what question? 00:35:10.640 --> 00:35:11.640 Good morning. 00:35:11.640 --> 00:35:13.480 Mark Oliphant, Bicycle and Pedestrian Coordinator. 00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:17.400 So I met with UNT staff last week, last Monday. 00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:23.320 I briefed them on the comments that we got from the Mobility Committee in your direction 00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:25.360 to pursue option three. 00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:28.600 So I showed them option three and what it entailed. 00:35:28.600 --> 00:35:35.680 And it was a question of what does UNT think about this. 00:35:35.680 --> 00:35:42.600 It was not couched as we really want to see this happen, come back with a counteroffer 00:35:42.600 --> 00:35:43.600 or something like that. 00:35:43.600 --> 00:35:49.880 It was just take this up your chain and see what it looks like to UNT, to the facility 00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:51.360 staff. 00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:57.040 Does that answer your question? 00:35:57.040 --> 00:35:58.720 Thank you. 00:35:58.720 --> 00:36:13.760 Can we go back and look at the Google map of Avenue A? 00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:22.600 I just want to point out that it looks to me like individual cars all along the west 00:36:22.600 --> 00:36:24.200 side there. 00:36:24.200 --> 00:36:28.000 I know it's marked for a loading zone, I'm just commenting, that's what I see. 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:35.280 And Councilmember Briggs and I both had the opportunity to meet with a group of five street 00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:42.480 businesses last week who clearly acknowledged that there are tradeoffs no matter what direction 00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:43.480 you go here. 00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:47.480 There's just sort of not enough pieces of pie to slice up. 00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:52.840 But I heard a lot of openness to the idea of the diagonal parking there, even acknowledging 00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:58.080 that it presents an obstacle to it being a loading zone. 00:36:58.080 --> 00:37:03.640 But I don't know if there's any actual foundation, to be perfectly frank, for the implication 00:37:03.640 --> 00:37:05.960 that it is actually heavily used as a loading zone. 00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:11.680 I don't think I've ever seen cars not parked there, but I'm not there all the time. 00:37:11.680 --> 00:37:14.720 You may have some more information on that. 00:37:14.720 --> 00:37:19.880 Yeah, we can definitely go back and check if they're strictly using it for a loading 00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:21.920 zone. 00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:26.400 Most of the cars they see parked are delivery cars, they're marked. 00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:30.040 And UNT does enforce some of these options if they're not marked. 00:37:30.040 --> 00:37:32.080 Oh, good to know UNT does some enforcement. 00:37:32.080 --> 00:37:36.600 I have some other things I could suggest we bring up with them regarding that. 00:37:36.600 --> 00:37:39.760 That's what we were told, that UNT does do the enforcement. 00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:42.520 Okay, all right, that's helpful to know. 00:37:42.520 --> 00:37:44.560 Councilmember Briggs, do you have some other comments? 00:37:44.560 --> 00:37:48.760 Yeah, I just have a few comments and some questions. 00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:55.480 Because it has been a long process and I have been on the mobility committee since the initial 00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:56.480 recommendation. 00:37:56.480 --> 00:38:02.200 And I was on this committee that made the initial recommendation, which was, I think, 00:38:02.200 --> 00:38:04.280 option two for the bike. 00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:09.000 But when that was presented to us, we didn't get the full story. 00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:16.720 And by the time it got to council with the businesses and the parking, it clearly hadn't 00:38:16.720 --> 00:38:19.040 been vetted at the time. 00:38:19.040 --> 00:38:26.960 And so that's when I said, okay, well, let's, I was in agreement to make it go to Oak Gateway. 00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:32.280 And with the understanding that there was going to be a complete discussion on parking, 00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:43.160 on traffic, on businesses, on, and that a workable solution would come out of that committee. 00:38:43.160 --> 00:38:50.240 And I'm not 100% confident that that happened. 00:38:50.240 --> 00:38:53.760 I'm not really for Cheros or the calm street. 00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:56.920 I am for the calm street with other options. 00:38:56.920 --> 00:39:01.760 But I don't think that alone in itself is enough. 00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:05.160 So that is a bit of my history. 00:39:05.160 --> 00:39:11.400 I'm still not comfortable with option two so much, but I do want to know about these 00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:18.480 things on the parking that is there left if option two is chosen. 00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:24.340 Can we make that fry street business only parking towing enforced? 00:39:24.340 --> 00:39:29.000 Can we do the intersection of Carroll and Hickory? 00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:35.020 Because I have very big concerns of funneling a straight bicycle path all the way down to 00:39:35.020 --> 00:39:36.680 that intersection. 00:39:36.680 --> 00:39:40.480 And there is some really big dangerous. 00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:46.280 It's a dangerous intersection to be funneling pedestrians and cyclists into without any 00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:47.280 upgrade. 00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:52.920 So I will not consider that unless there's other options we can do there to straighten 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:55.120 out that situation. 00:39:55.120 --> 00:39:58.720 Let's see. 00:39:58.720 --> 00:40:07.880 Can we, as we are doing fry and Oak, I mean, and Hickory intersection, can we go underground 00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:15.600 with the utilities to clean up that area just in that one or two blocks so that visibility 00:40:15.600 --> 00:40:23.520 is more prevalent for the pedestrians and cyclists and it would make a larger impact 00:40:23.520 --> 00:40:24.520 there. 00:40:24.520 --> 00:40:25.520 Next. 00:40:25.520 --> 00:40:26.520 Let's see. 00:40:26.520 --> 00:40:36.360 You're taking notes because I imagine you're going to want to answer some of these questions. 00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:42.080 I just want to say personally, I'm a little bit surprised that the biking community has 00:40:42.080 --> 00:40:50.600 been pushing for option two, which is for me an unprotected bike lane. 00:40:50.600 --> 00:40:56.520 Since I've been in office, I've been asked to implement protected bike lanes that just 00:40:56.520 --> 00:41:00.360 simply throwing paint down on the street isn't enough. 00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:08.480 And so I'm just a little confused by the advocating for an option, which I've been told since 00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:12.600 I've been in office, isn't enough in and of itself. 00:41:12.600 --> 00:41:18.440 So if I'm missing something, I welcome the conversation there. 00:41:18.440 --> 00:41:24.100 And I thought that with our option with UNT, it would be a little bit more protected. 00:41:24.100 --> 00:41:35.000 It would have the curb difference, so did you have a, yeah. 00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:41.440 Mark Ollifan again, if I may, I'm going to pull up the, oh yeah, there we go, okay, there 00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:42.440 we are. 00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:47.520 So if we look under option two, it's a little bit washed out here, can I make it bigger 00:41:47.520 --> 00:41:48.520 than that? 00:41:48.520 --> 00:41:49.520 Let's see. 00:41:49.520 --> 00:41:50.520 Okay. 00:41:50.520 --> 00:41:51.520 That's option one. 00:41:51.520 --> 00:41:52.520 Oops, sorry. 00:41:52.520 --> 00:42:00.680 Current configuration is your top right there, or I'm sorry, no, this, yeah, this is, are 00:42:00.680 --> 00:42:01.680 we still on one? 00:42:01.680 --> 00:42:05.680 Sorry, we're not still on one, excuse me. 00:42:05.680 --> 00:42:06.680 Here we go. 00:42:06.680 --> 00:42:07.680 Option two. 00:42:07.680 --> 00:42:11.280 Current configuration, existing condition is in our top right here. 00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:13.400 On the bottom is what is being proposed. 00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:19.340 So it is a buffered bike lane and maybe a lightly protected bike lane. 00:42:19.340 --> 00:42:25.020 So we do have between two and three and a half feet painted between moving vehicles 00:42:25.020 --> 00:42:32.640 and the bicycles, and we also do have these plastic reflective bollards or delineators 00:42:32.640 --> 00:42:37.080 as proposed as part of the plan. 00:42:37.080 --> 00:42:41.240 So there's not a physical barrier that would stop a car, but there are some elements of 00:42:41.240 --> 00:42:42.240 protection there. 00:42:42.240 --> 00:42:50.180 Well, let me, okay, I appreciate that because the little plastic things are something, but 00:42:50.180 --> 00:42:58.180 it's not protected as the things that I've been requested to start doing for more protection. 00:42:58.180 --> 00:43:01.120 And so I just wanted to put that out there. 00:43:01.120 --> 00:43:09.340 I was on, I went to Fry Street to this area three times and there are cars parked on the 00:43:09.340 --> 00:43:16.820 left side, there are, and in the first lane of traffic, large vehicle trucks, large trucks 00:43:16.820 --> 00:43:22.660 just stopped so that then it pushes cars over from one lane to the next. 00:43:22.660 --> 00:43:28.540 And then the cars in the last lane are pushed over closer so that if parked cars aren't 00:43:28.540 --> 00:43:29.540 there. 00:43:29.540 --> 00:43:30.540 Excuse me. 00:43:30.540 --> 00:43:31.540 I'm just trying to follow. 00:43:31.540 --> 00:43:32.540 I'm not sure if you're talking about Avenue A or Hickory. 00:43:32.540 --> 00:43:33.540 Hickory. 00:43:33.540 --> 00:43:34.540 Hickory. 00:43:34.540 --> 00:43:35.540 Hickory. 00:43:35.540 --> 00:43:37.100 I'm talking about the section of where we're talking about. 00:43:37.100 --> 00:43:38.860 So right here. 00:43:38.860 --> 00:43:43.980 So if cars are parked here on this side, which we're planning on keeping, and of course, 00:43:43.980 --> 00:43:45.980 we need to do that and enforce that. 00:43:45.980 --> 00:43:50.840 So then trucks and buses are stopped there. 00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:57.300 Then cars are going around over here and moving into where the bike lane is supposed to be. 00:43:57.300 --> 00:44:02.300 So if we do option two, we're going to have to have something better than little plastic 00:44:02.300 --> 00:44:03.700 sticks. 00:44:03.700 --> 00:44:09.300 That's just my opinion, and I'm not going to feel comfortable unless there's more separation 00:44:09.300 --> 00:44:10.900 there. 00:44:10.900 --> 00:44:16.500 Because if we are increasing the bicycle traffic, we are increasing the pedestrian there, as 00:44:16.500 --> 00:44:21.620 we've been told through studies, then we have to do something more to protect the individuals 00:44:21.620 --> 00:44:23.940 that are taking that route. 00:44:23.940 --> 00:44:26.620 That's where I'm coming from. 00:44:26.620 --> 00:44:30.500 So are there some of those that you'd like to hear a response on now? 00:44:30.500 --> 00:44:34.500 I guess I'll take them as you will. 00:44:34.500 --> 00:44:39.940 So on the protected part, I just want to add that there are options of adding a bolt-down 00:44:39.940 --> 00:44:46.020 curb as part of these delineators, in between delineators. 00:44:46.020 --> 00:44:52.940 If we add certain segments of bolt-down curves, of course, there has to be some gap between 00:44:52.940 --> 00:44:58.980 these bolt-down curves to allow for drainage, but other than that, that would be a six-inch 00:44:58.980 --> 00:45:03.980 curb between the actual travel lane and the bicycle. 00:45:03.980 --> 00:45:07.580 If we have to go that route, that would create a protected bike lane. 00:45:07.580 --> 00:45:09.260 Oh, yeah. 00:45:09.260 --> 00:45:10.260 Okay. 00:45:10.260 --> 00:45:13.240 Feel free to interact. 00:45:13.240 --> 00:45:15.940 So the question was cost, if we did that. 00:45:15.940 --> 00:45:20.740 I think the bolt-down curves are fairly cheap. 00:45:20.740 --> 00:45:28.780 I don't have the cost on top of my head, but it is a couple hundred bucks for a short 00:45:28.780 --> 00:45:30.700 section, but I can give you cost implications. 00:45:30.700 --> 00:45:32.140 It is not that expensive. 00:45:32.140 --> 00:45:38.500 So for the full segment, it's in the single digits of thousandths on the high side, not 00:45:38.500 --> 00:45:40.500 outside that range, most likely? 00:45:40.500 --> 00:45:41.500 I'll have to get back. 00:45:41.500 --> 00:45:46.020 I'm just doing simple in-my-head math of a couple hundred and it's a thousand feet. 00:45:46.020 --> 00:45:52.580 Well, let us do the analysis and the cost, and I would assume that these are manufactured 00:45:52.580 --> 00:45:56.260 offside and then brought onside and then bolted into the ground. 00:45:56.260 --> 00:46:02.580 So it's something that could be done with the lead time and then installed pretty quickly, 00:46:02.580 --> 00:46:04.860 so minimal construction. 00:46:04.860 --> 00:46:08.500 Minimal change in existing configuration. 00:46:08.500 --> 00:46:11.460 So I'll weigh in a little bit here. 00:46:11.460 --> 00:46:18.020 I'm inclined to think that there's a way to do some version of two, and I'm very intrigued 00:46:18.020 --> 00:46:26.660 by this whole idea of the bolt-on curbs, in combination with picking up spaces on Avenue 00:46:26.660 --> 00:46:31.180 A, acknowledging that it's got a lot of arms and legs to think through. 00:46:31.180 --> 00:46:35.820 I personally think it's worth a couple of months to see if we can kind of holistically 00:46:35.820 --> 00:46:42.820 address -- I hear a lot of times from one constituency or from another who say there's 00:46:42.820 --> 00:46:48.860 no problem if you only meet my needs, but what you're hearing, I think, pretty consistently 00:46:48.860 --> 00:46:57.020 is that this committee is trying to find a way to meet the needs for -- legitimately 00:46:57.020 --> 00:47:03.780 felt needs for parking and for a straight and safe bike path, and I'm not convinced 00:47:03.780 --> 00:47:09.620 yet that we can't do that and we have to totally do one at the expense of the other. 00:47:09.620 --> 00:47:13.340 Where was I going on that? 00:47:13.340 --> 00:47:17.980 So the question is, what do you do now, right, because you've got to stripe it? 00:47:17.980 --> 00:47:31.100 And is there a path to do some amount of the striping, for instance, the center, and, you 00:47:31.100 --> 00:47:36.700 know, without affecting -- with basically leaving it blank on the south side until you 00:47:36.700 --> 00:47:38.460 know if you can in fact go forward? 00:47:38.460 --> 00:47:46.340 One of the issues with that, and we have several issues, we did oak recently, and if you leave 00:47:46.340 --> 00:47:53.620 that segment unmarked or actually define the lines to park between, vehicles are parked 00:47:53.620 --> 00:47:55.060 all the way around the corner. 00:47:55.060 --> 00:47:59.940 So if we leave it unmarked, it may create more of a safety hazard. 00:47:59.940 --> 00:48:06.860 The vehicles will be parked much closer to the intersections and may create more issues. 00:48:06.860 --> 00:48:10.260 So we need to really delineate the space for parking. 00:48:10.260 --> 00:48:17.140 Is there, you know, I guess I'd ask, what's the minimum amount of marking that you need 00:48:17.140 --> 00:48:22.900 to accomplish the safety element of it, and is that anything less than the whole amount 00:48:22.900 --> 00:48:29.340 that would require the grinding and, you know, sealing and that whole elaborate process if 00:48:29.340 --> 00:48:35.020 we determine that we can in fact execute, you know, what I've described on Avenue A? 00:48:35.020 --> 00:48:36.900 So minimum amount of parking the way -- 00:48:36.900 --> 00:48:38.780 Minimum amount of parking marking. 00:48:38.780 --> 00:48:39.780 Markings. 00:48:39.780 --> 00:48:46.940 We have done something called a T, where you can see between parking spaces it's just marked 00:48:46.940 --> 00:48:50.340 as a T. So it clearly defines different spaces. 00:48:50.340 --> 00:48:55.160 At the corners it's an elbow corner, and then that area is only for parking. 00:48:55.160 --> 00:48:57.220 So we can do minimal parking. 00:48:57.220 --> 00:49:01.460 Something like what you have on West Oak Street on the south side there? 00:49:01.460 --> 00:49:07.580 Yeah, on the West Oak it's a continuous line for the edge, but this one will not be a continuous 00:49:07.580 --> 00:49:08.580 line. 00:49:08.580 --> 00:49:10.620 It will be T in between parking spaces. 00:49:10.620 --> 00:49:13.180 Just to conclude the fun. 00:49:13.180 --> 00:49:18.100 And does that offer any benefits if you were to later come back and implement option two? 00:49:18.100 --> 00:49:23.540 No, we'll need parking, and then we can come back and take the parking out and put an option 00:49:23.540 --> 00:49:24.540 two. 00:49:24.540 --> 00:49:25.540 Yeah, I mean, but is that better than -- 00:49:25.540 --> 00:49:27.500 That's better than putting the whole configuration. 00:49:27.500 --> 00:49:28.500 Okay. 00:49:28.500 --> 00:49:34.220 I'm just looking at this picture. 00:49:34.220 --> 00:49:40.500 Where are the bikes supposed to be on this street after you cross Carroll? 00:49:40.500 --> 00:49:41.700 Is it Charoes at that point? 00:49:41.700 --> 00:49:43.900 No, I think there is a bike lane that goes in. 00:49:43.900 --> 00:49:48.700 Let me go back to Carroll. 00:49:48.700 --> 00:49:55.060 Taking hands it down, the actual lane. 00:49:55.060 --> 00:49:56.060 Yeah. 00:49:56.060 --> 00:50:01.180 There's a big lane right there after Carroll, and then there is a lane all the way to Elm, 00:50:01.180 --> 00:50:02.180 to the square. 00:50:02.180 --> 00:50:06.540 Cedar, actually. 00:50:06.540 --> 00:50:08.820 And then it just into the traffic? 00:50:08.820 --> 00:50:11.740 That becomes the Charoes, yes. 00:50:11.740 --> 00:50:16.940 Just can you, while you have this, can you go to the Carroll and Hickory intersection 00:50:16.940 --> 00:50:18.380 so you can address that? 00:50:18.380 --> 00:50:22.300 I was there just the other day and I saw a car parked in the bike lane waiting for the 00:50:22.300 --> 00:50:24.300 light to turn. 00:50:24.300 --> 00:50:31.300 Yeah, as part of the new striping plan that will be done, we are planning on actually 00:50:31.300 --> 00:50:32.700 making this much more better. 00:50:32.700 --> 00:50:40.140 We are putting in buffer so that it delineates the bike area, meaning a two-foot buffer on 00:50:40.140 --> 00:50:45.420 either side and having a six-foot bike lane, because currently you have a eight to nine 00:50:45.420 --> 00:50:51.760 feet wide bike lane that's green and it almost looks like a car lane. 00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:58.820 So we'll make it more, we're delineated better to define it as a bike lane as it veers off 00:50:58.820 --> 00:51:01.980 from the edge here and comes into this area. 00:51:01.980 --> 00:51:04.300 So yeah, we have a different striping plan. 00:51:04.300 --> 00:51:09.700 Obviously, we know this did not work and we had to put in green paint and we're still 00:51:09.700 --> 00:51:14.380 struggling for people to understand that that's not, it's faded over the years, but having 00:51:14.380 --> 00:51:19.380 the buffer on either side will allow them to clearly see and then have the bike stamps 00:51:19.380 --> 00:51:21.380 on it. 00:51:21.380 --> 00:51:29.580 Yeah, have we looked, because you've talked about closing off Avenue A, have we looked 00:51:29.580 --> 00:51:32.680 at just making it a one-way heading south? 00:51:32.680 --> 00:51:37.020 So there are three options that we're looking at. 00:51:37.020 --> 00:51:44.640 Closing is obviously one option, not the best option because that, you know, prevents access. 00:51:44.640 --> 00:51:48.940 There's no flow of traffic for these businesses, not the best option. 00:51:48.940 --> 00:51:54.060 There's very little traffic going southbound on Avenue A. I know there are DCTA buses and 00:51:54.060 --> 00:51:59.380 route that goes in through here with a bus stop here, but other than that, there is very 00:51:59.380 --> 00:52:04.180 few people that go through or make this right in this area. 00:52:04.180 --> 00:52:08.940 So the best alternative, this is really at the planning level. 00:52:08.940 --> 00:52:16.300 We haven't dived deep into this, is to make it one way on the northbound side. 00:52:16.300 --> 00:52:21.420 So this whole segment, actually only this segment and then Mulberry can still remain 00:52:21.420 --> 00:52:29.020 two-way, but this segment will be one-way and we can make modifications here. 00:52:29.020 --> 00:52:33.820 It'll be angled parking, it'll match this angle parking, so that's where we're leaning 00:52:33.820 --> 00:52:34.820 at this point. 00:52:34.820 --> 00:52:35.820 We don't know. 00:52:35.820 --> 00:52:36.820 We haven't gotten to the deep end. 00:52:36.820 --> 00:52:37.820 I think we've got to resolve that. 00:52:37.820 --> 00:52:42.700 Well, and I ask that because we talked about last week that Sycamore is going to have a 00:52:42.700 --> 00:52:48.580 pedestrian bike path all the way down to the train station, and so if you did the one way, 00:52:48.580 --> 00:52:57.060 the other way, you could easily add a fair-sized bike lane that can get you over to Welch and 00:52:57.060 --> 00:53:02.860 we can figure out what to do between Welch and Sycamore to attach that, and that gives 00:53:02.860 --> 00:53:09.120 an alternative to only using Hickory to get to the downtown on the bike path that would 00:53:09.120 --> 00:53:13.980 help alleviate how much bike traffic you've got going through that busy intersection at 00:53:13.980 --> 00:53:14.980 Carroll and Hickory. 00:53:14.980 --> 00:53:23.300 Sycamore and Hickory is still a signal intersection, but it's not as vehicle heavy. 00:53:23.300 --> 00:53:28.180 So at Welch, part of the Sycamore project, we're putting in a road diet which will have 00:53:28.180 --> 00:53:33.380 bike lanes, so on either side of Welch, we'll have bike lanes that will connect to Sycamore 00:53:33.380 --> 00:53:34.420 and then connect Hickory. 00:53:34.420 --> 00:53:39.240 So that would be much more safer than going through here because there's a lot of solid 00:53:39.240 --> 00:53:45.460 waste and other issues at this corner that I've heard over years, and it'll be a better 00:53:45.460 --> 00:53:47.780 route just for bikers to be on Welch. 00:53:47.780 --> 00:53:50.780 Councilmember Brooks? 00:53:50.780 --> 00:53:59.700 I did hear from a business or some businesses on if we did close off Avenue A or not allow 00:53:59.700 --> 00:54:06.800 a right turn because what I am under the impression is that that allows to keep traffic moving 00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:11.700 a little bit more as a cut through rather than waiting, and there is a potential for 00:54:11.700 --> 00:54:16.900 the traffic at Welch and Hickory, I think, to get pretty backed up. 00:54:16.900 --> 00:54:22.740 So if there's not an option for that traffic to flow, it could be pretty consistently blocked. 00:54:22.740 --> 00:54:26.540 No, that's why I said we're at the planning level. 00:54:26.540 --> 00:54:32.380 We don't know the details, we'll have the analysis, we'll look at what the volumes are, 00:54:32.380 --> 00:54:36.100 how the signals are functioning, do we need to change the function of the signal if we 00:54:36.100 --> 00:54:37.100 reroute traffic. 00:54:37.100 --> 00:54:41.980 So that's why, I mean, it's going to be a while before we can actually say yes, it works 00:54:41.980 --> 00:54:46.700 or yes, it doesn't work, and there are three different options, closure and then one way 00:54:46.700 --> 00:54:53.620 in each direction, so we have to vet all of them to come up with the right option. 00:54:53.620 --> 00:55:00.660 Are we ready to give direction, you know, yeah, are we ready to give directions, review? 00:55:00.660 --> 00:55:04.980 Since it hasn't shown up on the screen, can you bring up option five real quick just so 00:55:04.980 --> 00:55:07.980 we can lay eyes on it one more time? 00:55:23.620 --> 00:55:49.140 And I'll share, yeah, that I'm just not, I'm just not persuaded that Charo is really 00:55:49.140 --> 00:55:50.780 doing anything for cyclists. 00:55:50.780 --> 00:55:57.700 And I understand that, but I mean, we've got an issue of not enough land to keep the parking 00:55:57.700 --> 00:56:05.460 and the parking at UNT, and this is a 20 mile an hour, I would definitely recommend we change, 00:56:05.460 --> 00:56:09.780 we readjust it so you go past Welch before we go back up to 30, because I think right 00:56:09.780 --> 00:56:18.140 now it goes up to 30 at Avenue 8, right before Welch, yes, you know, but in our downtown 00:56:18.140 --> 00:56:23.620 we do the same thing, we have lack of right-of-way available to us and have to use Charo's through 00:56:23.620 --> 00:56:26.420 the downtown area, which is not a good thing. 00:56:26.420 --> 00:56:33.940 Again, I'm looking at option five with continuing negotiations with UNT to add a walking path 00:56:33.940 --> 00:56:39.360 and then convert the existing sidewalk into a pipeline. 00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:45.820 Any thoughts on the Avenue 8 aspect of it? 00:56:45.820 --> 00:56:49.860 Continue to steady it is what I would say, because we, without the data of how many vehicles 00:56:49.860 --> 00:56:58.100 go each way, more conversations with the businesses, you know, I'm open to, I would say closing 00:56:58.100 --> 00:57:01.100 it is probably not a good option at all. 00:57:01.100 --> 00:57:08.700 Do you have any, are you ready to give direction? 00:57:08.700 --> 00:57:13.060 I think we should do option five, but not with Charo's, I think that is just a really great 00:57:13.060 --> 00:57:23.460 upgrade to have with all the pedestrian walkability that we need down there with the students. 00:57:23.460 --> 00:57:31.220 For anyone who hasn't, I recommend you just go down and sit in this area for a bit amount 00:57:31.220 --> 00:57:36.020 of time and see what all we need. 00:57:36.020 --> 00:57:45.180 I would be comfortable with option two if you could find me 20 spaces for cars, because 00:57:45.180 --> 00:57:48.060 I did meet with more than one business down there. 00:57:48.060 --> 00:57:53.700 There's six or several, there's several that maybe in the daytime aren't as concerned, 00:57:53.700 --> 00:58:02.620 but at nighttime, which we haven't talked about, depend on that parking for their establishments. 00:58:02.620 --> 00:58:09.380 There is a safety issue at nighttime where people don't feel comfortable so much walking 00:58:09.380 --> 00:58:16.260 around in the area and a car is a better way to get to that area and get out if they're 00:58:16.260 --> 00:58:18.420 not feeling safe. 00:58:18.420 --> 00:58:23.260 So I still am not 100% comfortable. 00:58:23.260 --> 00:58:29.300 I understand where we're going and the need for the protected bike lane and I am in favor 00:58:29.300 --> 00:58:32.900 no matter what of a protected lane somehow. 00:58:32.900 --> 00:58:41.500 It has to be divided with this intersection and I'm not so concerned about cost and I 00:58:41.500 --> 00:58:45.700 know that people keep saying go with a cheaper option, go with a cheaper option. 00:58:45.700 --> 00:58:47.980 That's not what we're here to do. 00:58:47.980 --> 00:58:55.040 We're here to make sure that safety is priority and that the businesses down here don't suffer 00:58:55.040 --> 00:58:57.060 because of a decision that we've made. 00:58:57.060 --> 00:59:02.380 >> So you're very clear that we want all the options at the same time. 00:59:02.380 --> 00:59:07.180 But, you know, there's, I mean, I'm joking obviously, but kind of not, right, what I'm 00:59:07.180 --> 00:59:14.540 hearing is, and I share, you know, the enhancements for pedestrian use, you know, very consistent 00:59:14.540 --> 00:59:21.220 with Gateway 2, you know, just generally enhancing the usability of this part of town, right, 00:59:21.220 --> 00:59:23.500 in a multimodal way. 00:59:23.500 --> 00:59:30.580 So we're liking the pedestrian part of 5 and I'm hearing, you know, support for seeing 00:59:30.580 --> 00:59:38.780 how far we can get and finding spaces in Avenue A while protecting the path. 00:59:38.780 --> 00:59:44.780 Seeing if we can still get option or the first option we looked for, you know, because I'm 00:59:44.780 --> 00:59:52.060 hearing some doubt whether UNT fully got it about the meandering path. 00:59:52.060 --> 00:59:57.540 You know, so doesn't hurt to take one more bite. 00:59:57.540 --> 01:00:01.940 I'm willing to go with you, too, if you want, if you get an in-person meeting. 01:00:01.940 --> 01:00:04.500 And I'm sure others here would, too. 01:00:04.500 --> 01:00:08.420 Just to see if we can come to a meeting of the minds and at least I could equally convey 01:00:08.420 --> 01:00:12.140 back, you know, know their arms were folded, their legs were crossed and they were holding 01:00:12.140 --> 01:00:17.580 their breath and going, you know, but so, you know, see if there is some room there. 01:00:17.580 --> 01:00:31.540 But I think we want to protect for the probable outcome of two with protection with spaces 01:00:31.540 --> 01:00:33.540 found somewhere. 01:00:33.540 --> 01:00:34.540 Is that enough to go on? 01:00:34.540 --> 01:00:41.060 I realize it's not utterly conclusive, but there's stuff to explore, you know, that's 01:00:41.060 --> 01:00:42.060 important to explore. 01:00:42.060 --> 01:00:46.940 We don't want to, you know, make a kind of decision that will stick around, you know, 01:00:46.940 --> 01:00:52.820 for five years that might be really deleterious to someone, you know. 01:00:52.820 --> 01:01:00.740 So I mean, unless you all are telling me something different, I'm expecting that they'll strike 01:01:00.740 --> 01:01:07.180 with the corners, marking the spots, they'll continue to investigate the options on Avenue 01:01:07.180 --> 01:01:11.060 A and talk to the university on three. 01:01:11.060 --> 01:01:16.740 And I think you're actually hearing move forward if you want something to hang your hat on, 01:01:16.740 --> 01:01:19.620 move forward on the pedestrian enhancements. 01:01:19.620 --> 01:01:24.260 Is that enough to go forward on? 01:01:24.260 --> 01:01:26.500 Or what else do you need from us? 01:01:26.500 --> 01:01:27.940 So let me clarify. 01:01:27.940 --> 01:01:34.340 So we move forward with putting the way things are right now, the way they are strapping 01:01:34.340 --> 01:01:38.860 back to the spaces and then continue finding spaces. 01:01:38.860 --> 01:01:43.340 Least possible striping to do that with the expectation that you might be grinding those 01:01:43.340 --> 01:01:44.340 bits off. 01:01:44.340 --> 01:01:45.340 Correct. 01:01:45.340 --> 01:01:49.540 And then move forward with the striping that we currently have with the parking in place 01:01:49.540 --> 01:01:51.980 the way it is. 01:01:51.980 --> 01:01:55.780 You have to say the part that I like, too. 01:01:55.780 --> 01:02:02.060 And then move forward with finding more spaces, either on Avenue A or somewhere else. 01:02:02.060 --> 01:02:06.140 Work with UNT to see if we can move forward with alternative three. 01:02:06.140 --> 01:02:08.180 So that's the direction I'm getting. 01:02:08.180 --> 01:02:13.380 Plus you're hearing solid support for the pedestrian aspects of five. 01:02:13.380 --> 01:02:14.380 Correct. 01:02:14.380 --> 01:02:15.380 Okay. 01:02:15.380 --> 01:02:16.380 Right. 01:02:16.380 --> 01:02:17.380 There's no obstacle. 01:02:17.380 --> 01:02:18.380 No. 01:02:18.380 --> 01:02:19.380 Councilmember Briggs. 01:02:19.380 --> 01:02:24.380 Well, if we're doing striping, I would prefer to put the parking in on the side near the 01:02:24.380 --> 01:02:31.540 businesses and then not do any other striping on that side near UNT. 01:02:31.540 --> 01:02:37.420 That would be my preference so that we get the parking on the one side and then we get 01:02:37.420 --> 01:02:42.220 the lane separation and then we can figure out on that side because that's where all 01:02:42.220 --> 01:02:43.700 the improvements are going to be. 01:02:43.700 --> 01:02:45.060 That would be my preference. 01:02:45.060 --> 01:02:49.660 If I can just interject, I don't mean to be unclear. 01:02:49.660 --> 01:02:53.660 I don't think there's any question about the north side. 01:02:53.660 --> 01:03:00.100 The corner treatment is on the south side as a sort of minimum marking for safety reasons, 01:03:00.100 --> 01:03:03.620 you know, rather than just leave it totally unmarked. 01:03:03.620 --> 01:03:04.620 Okay. 01:03:04.620 --> 01:03:05.620 Are you okay with that? 01:03:05.620 --> 01:03:06.620 Mm-hmm. 01:03:06.620 --> 01:03:07.620 Yeah. 01:03:07.620 --> 01:03:08.620 Good enough? 01:03:08.620 --> 01:03:09.620 Okay. 01:03:09.620 --> 01:03:10.620 All of you. 01:03:10.620 --> 01:03:13.620 We're going to move forward. 01:03:13.620 --> 01:03:18.820 I think there's a possibility, just looking at the time, and, you know, I think there's 01:03:18.820 --> 01:03:25.760 going to be a good amount of discussion on item D, that we may not get to item E. And 01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:31.020 I'm open to, you know, I've expressed in the past, I'm open to meeting as frequently 01:03:31.020 --> 01:03:36.740 as we need to to do the work of the committee and, you know, my other, you know, my colleagues 01:03:36.740 --> 01:03:40.780 have been very flexible in that regard as well, so I'll leave it to you all, if you 01:03:40.780 --> 01:03:45.400 don't get, if you don't have enough time for it, if you want to meet sooner or if it's, 01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:47.820 or if we can just, you know, wait until the next interval. 01:03:47.820 --> 01:03:50.820 But, you know, I'm happy to accommodate. 01:03:50.820 --> 01:03:53.540 So let's see how we go. 01:03:53.540 --> 01:03:58.580 And I think we have the flexibility for about 10 more minutes or 15, and if John can wrap 01:03:58.580 --> 01:03:59.580 it up in 10. 01:03:59.580 --> 01:04:03.340 Or we can, we have the report in the back, if there are any questions, we can answer 01:04:03.340 --> 01:04:04.340 those. 01:04:04.340 --> 01:04:05.340 All right. 01:04:05.340 --> 01:04:09.780 So press ahead and check in again after item D. So, all right, so that's going to conclude 01:04:09.780 --> 01:04:15.300 item C. Thank you, members of the public, for helping us work through this. 01:04:15.300 --> 01:04:17.640 So let's move on to item D. We'll have a presentation. 01:04:17.640 --> 01:04:24.420 We have some blue cards, and then we can deliberate on that. 01:04:24.420 --> 01:04:30.460 All right, let me see. 01:04:30.460 --> 01:04:31.460 So. 01:04:31.460 --> 01:04:32.460 Oh, wait. 01:04:32.460 --> 01:04:33.460 I'm sorry. 01:04:33.460 --> 01:04:34.460 I do have one question. 01:04:34.460 --> 01:04:38.420 Open item C. Just ask item C, just ask this question. 01:04:38.420 --> 01:04:39.420 Sorry. 01:04:39.420 --> 01:04:42.420 Now that I have lost it. 01:04:42.420 --> 01:04:45.420 He found out we might have an extra 10 minutes. 01:04:45.420 --> 01:04:46.420 Yeah, yeah. 01:04:46.420 --> 01:04:47.420 No, just, well, my question, you don't have to answer it now. 01:04:47.420 --> 01:04:53.700 It's like, in the interest of time, it's just I question the sequence of meetings, of going 01:04:53.700 --> 01:04:58.020 to traffic safety after getting guidance from mobility committee, it would make a whole 01:04:58.020 --> 01:05:03.740 lot more sense to me, since that's an advisory body, to go to traffic safety and bring us 01:05:03.740 --> 01:05:08.740 that guidance as input, rather than, if you don't like what dad says, go ask mom. 01:05:08.740 --> 01:05:14.140 No, and that's not how that, I just want to just make a statement about that. 01:05:14.140 --> 01:05:18.060 The reason why this information was brought to you all at the last meeting was a special 01:05:18.060 --> 01:05:19.260 called meeting. 01:05:19.260 --> 01:05:21.540 The original intent of that meeting on the 28th? 01:05:21.540 --> 01:05:22.540 29th. 01:05:22.540 --> 01:05:30.580 29th of January was to do a tour of the square, and then bike share, or excuse me, scooter 01:05:30.580 --> 01:05:33.980 share, because of the issues that we were trying to bring forward. 01:05:33.980 --> 01:05:39.580 It was after the gateway presentation that a request was made to bring this item back 01:05:39.580 --> 01:05:41.980 to the mobility committee at the special called meeting. 01:05:41.980 --> 01:05:48.700 So we added a third item to the agenda, knowing that, well, you may not know, but we all know 01:05:48.700 --> 01:05:52.740 that the mobility committee, excuse me, the traffic safety commission meets the first 01:05:52.740 --> 01:05:54.660 Monday of every month. 01:05:54.660 --> 01:05:58.700 So yes, the sequence got out of sequence, the way the presentation. 01:05:58.700 --> 01:06:06.060 You share the view that the right sequence, notwithstanding exceptions, is to go through 01:06:06.060 --> 01:06:09.420 the citizen committee and then bring that into it. 01:06:09.420 --> 01:06:10.420 Sure. 01:06:10.420 --> 01:06:14.900 It was at the request of council to bring this item that we just talked about at your 01:06:14.900 --> 01:06:15.900 last meeting. 01:06:15.900 --> 01:06:16.900 Okay. 01:06:16.900 --> 01:06:17.900 I don't think we need a lot of discussion. 01:06:17.900 --> 01:06:18.900 Thank you very much. 01:06:18.900 --> 01:06:19.900 All right. 01:06:19.900 --> 01:06:20.900 So let's move on to item D. Go ahead. 01:06:20.900 --> 01:06:24.680 Oh, let me read what it is. 01:06:24.680 --> 01:06:29.540 And the receiver report and hold the discussion regarding the plans for short-term, parentheses, 01:06:29.540 --> 01:06:37.460 interim improvements to FM 428 Sherman drive and loop 288 and long-term improvements along 01:06:37.460 --> 01:06:41.420 FM 428 north of loop 288. 01:06:41.420 --> 01:06:45.460 So I don't have a formal presentation. 01:06:45.460 --> 01:06:48.780 I do want to start here. 01:06:48.780 --> 01:06:51.780 There are two steps to getting there. 01:06:51.780 --> 01:06:56.140 A lot of development going on in this particular area. 01:06:56.140 --> 01:06:59.180 Anything south of the loop is already approved under construction. 01:06:59.180 --> 01:07:00.180 Sorry. 01:07:00.180 --> 01:07:01.180 Got a question. 01:07:01.180 --> 01:07:06.960 Is there a reason why the T traffic study that the city initiated on this section isn't 01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:11.500 shared in the backup? 01:07:11.500 --> 01:07:12.500 The entire study? 01:07:12.500 --> 01:07:13.500 Yeah. 01:07:13.500 --> 01:07:14.500 There is no reason. 01:07:14.500 --> 01:07:15.500 Is that a confidential study? 01:07:15.500 --> 01:07:16.500 No. 01:07:16.500 --> 01:07:17.500 No. 01:07:17.500 --> 01:07:18.500 Okay. 01:07:18.500 --> 01:07:19.900 We can share the whole study. 01:07:19.900 --> 01:07:21.300 There's no reason why not to. 01:07:21.300 --> 01:07:25.620 So if we can get that uploaded to the background, that would be really good. 01:07:25.620 --> 01:07:28.100 Thank you so much. 01:07:28.100 --> 01:07:32.340 So as we know, this area is growing pretty fast. 01:07:32.340 --> 01:07:36.140 One of the fastest areas growing in the city. 01:07:36.140 --> 01:07:41.020 There's already construction in this area, the stark farms. 01:07:41.020 --> 01:07:45.900 This area is already under construction of new development. 01:07:45.900 --> 01:07:53.260 Large ranch on this side, other parcels are considering different types of uses. 01:07:53.260 --> 01:08:00.340 So all of a sudden the Sherman corridor north of the loop as well as going into the city 01:08:00.340 --> 01:08:06.900 has gained a lot of attention due to a lot of new added traffic that's going to use. 01:08:06.900 --> 01:08:13.300 Currently at these two intersections, these are stop control intersections. 01:08:13.300 --> 01:08:19.220 And they are text dot intersections currently. 01:08:19.220 --> 01:08:25.340 One of the major concerns is during the peak hours, people cannot use the turn lanes, get 01:08:25.340 --> 01:08:31.300 off the loop here on the other side, make that left out. 01:08:31.300 --> 01:08:33.740 Other left turns into the loop. 01:08:33.740 --> 01:08:36.860 So this intersection interchange does not function well. 01:08:36.860 --> 01:08:42.260 It is already warranted for a traffic signal where to go through the analysis but present 01:08:42.260 --> 01:08:47.700 a formal analysis to text dot for their consideration and approval. 01:08:47.700 --> 01:08:54.020 So we have an interim short-term project that will realign lanes and add capacity under 01:08:54.020 --> 01:08:55.020 the bridge. 01:08:55.020 --> 01:09:02.220 If you look at how much space you have under the bridge, we're planning on widening and 01:09:02.220 --> 01:09:05.220 redoing some of this ditch area, adding more lanes. 01:09:05.220 --> 01:09:09.180 If we can add more left turn lanes, align the through lanes. 01:09:09.180 --> 01:09:14.420 I think the through lanes are not aligned when you come in north. 01:09:14.420 --> 01:09:21.180 That lane does not really align with the -- because of this left turn and right turn lane, they're 01:09:21.180 --> 01:09:24.400 slightly skewed. 01:09:24.400 --> 01:09:31.540 So what we're planning to do is add more capacity, review the intersections for warrants, conduct 01:09:31.540 --> 01:09:37.420 a warrant analysis, and move ahead with the signal design component of this. 01:09:37.420 --> 01:09:42.780 These are short-term improvements, signalizing these intersections. 01:09:42.780 --> 01:09:45.980 The cost for that is not included in the short-term improvements. 01:09:45.980 --> 01:09:49.340 It was just a capacity enhancement project. 01:09:49.340 --> 01:09:54.580 We'll come forward to counsel on adding those signals at these intersections at some point 01:09:54.580 --> 01:09:55.980 in the near future. 01:09:55.980 --> 01:10:02.380 That's the short-term to improve some of the congestion, some of the constraint currently 01:10:02.380 --> 01:10:08.820 at these two locations. 01:10:08.820 --> 01:10:25.020 If you go on this side, where Princedia is, and we have the development there, so part 01:10:25.020 --> 01:10:28.420 of the -- I'm going to really throw up. 01:10:28.420 --> 01:10:36.020 So part of the issue is that -- what is the speed limit on 428 right there? 01:10:36.020 --> 01:10:39.940 >> I think this is 40 or 45, I don't know. 01:10:39.940 --> 01:10:41.900 >> 80, 82. 01:10:41.900 --> 01:10:47.740 So people on Poinsettia, and there is a really large housing development right there, and 01:10:47.740 --> 01:10:54.020 the apartment complex is going to actually enter on that as well to exit. 01:10:54.020 --> 01:11:02.260 And so turning left on 428 from that neighborhood is a pretty hard thing to do during certain 01:11:02.260 --> 01:11:03.700 times of the day. 01:11:03.700 --> 01:11:09.220 So will having a light at the intersection that you're talking about, will that help 01:11:09.220 --> 01:11:16.180 control that traffic so that they can easily get out more left? 01:11:16.180 --> 01:11:22.540 >> So yes, having a signal creates a gap, so it sends traffic in platoons, which means 01:11:22.540 --> 01:11:26.140 there's a bunch of cars moving at the same time. 01:11:26.140 --> 01:11:31.100 Then once it turns red, the cars will stop and provide gaps. 01:11:31.100 --> 01:11:37.740 But we definitely can look into that at this intersection particularly to study if a signal 01:11:37.740 --> 01:11:43.660 is required or if a acceleration lane on this side is required, like a two-way left turn, 01:11:43.660 --> 01:11:48.480 so that people can actually find a gap between these vehicles, stay here for a little bit, 01:11:48.480 --> 01:11:49.660 and then merge. 01:11:49.660 --> 01:11:53.100 So there are different alternatives and options that can be looked at. 01:11:53.100 --> 01:11:56.180 >> Even a center lane, somewhere where you can get in the middle for safety. 01:11:56.180 --> 01:11:57.180 >> For a little bit. 01:11:57.180 --> 01:12:01.460 >> For a little bit before you do that because there's going to be more development on this 01:12:01.460 --> 01:12:05.940 other side and more significant development. 01:12:05.940 --> 01:12:10.740 So that was an intersection that I wanted to address as well because I've heard a lot 01:12:10.740 --> 01:12:14.980 of concern about it on that. 01:12:14.980 --> 01:12:19.580 So when we say a light, will it be one on either side of the loop? 01:12:19.580 --> 01:12:20.580 >> Correct. 01:12:20.580 --> 01:12:21.580 >> Okay. 01:12:21.580 --> 01:12:24.940 >> It'll function like any other interchange off of 35E. 01:12:24.940 --> 01:12:25.940 >> Okay. 01:12:25.940 --> 01:12:27.820 >> It'll function that way. 01:12:27.820 --> 01:12:30.780 >> And just on the opposite side, I'm sorry, Chair, may I? 01:12:30.780 --> 01:12:31.780 >> No, no, please. 01:12:31.780 --> 01:12:32.780 >> Okay. 01:12:32.780 --> 01:12:39.020 And so we have people getting out the issue on Hartley Field Road, the same issue turning 01:12:39.020 --> 01:12:42.100 left during certain times of the day. 01:12:42.100 --> 01:12:48.460 So will a light at this intersection help alleviate that or will there need to be some 01:12:48.460 --> 01:12:52.820 other traffic mechanism further down the way? 01:12:52.820 --> 01:12:55.460 >> Yeah, that might be a combination. 01:12:55.460 --> 01:12:59.060 We don't know what kind of traffic we get on Hartley Field. 01:12:59.060 --> 01:13:07.780 So it would be a combination of providing a signal here but also looking to specific 01:13:07.780 --> 01:13:09.780 upgrades needed at Hartley Field. 01:13:09.780 --> 01:13:13.860 Similar to points that we need to study it. 01:13:13.860 --> 01:13:17.820 We haven't gotten to a point where there's localized intersections that are being studied 01:13:17.820 --> 01:13:18.820 where -- 01:13:18.820 --> 01:13:19.820 >> Okay. 01:13:19.820 --> 01:13:23.740 >> This is a short, small transportation project that was approved and we're moving forward 01:13:23.740 --> 01:13:26.460 design and implementation as an interim. 01:13:26.460 --> 01:13:31.500 But we have looked at long-term numbers and that's the next part of what I'm going to 01:13:31.500 --> 01:13:37.660 present is in the future when everything is developed, what is our need in this area? 01:13:37.660 --> 01:13:45.100 What are the arterials, the segments and the cross-sections required for some of these 01:13:45.100 --> 01:13:46.100 streets? 01:13:46.100 --> 01:13:51.060 I'll talk about that a little bit but specifically focused on this and this intersection, we've 01:13:51.060 --> 01:13:54.300 not dived into the details yet. 01:13:54.300 --> 01:13:57.700 >> Thank you. 01:13:57.700 --> 01:14:04.500 >> Moving forward, so long-term, we looked at a -- we conducted a study for this whole 01:14:04.500 --> 01:14:05.500 area. 01:14:05.500 --> 01:14:11.340 We worked closely with planning to gather the land use information. 01:14:11.340 --> 01:14:16.940 This is almost the edge of the city if it continues further north a little bit but this 01:14:16.940 --> 01:14:24.900 particular area has a lot of interest and people are coming in with plans for developing. 01:14:24.900 --> 01:14:31.860 We wanted to understand what would it take in order for this area to actually have the 01:14:31.860 --> 01:14:36.740 right traffic flowing or the right transportation facilities. 01:14:36.740 --> 01:14:37.740 Let's start. 01:14:37.740 --> 01:14:43.660 So some of the arterials, these are all the arterials that would be required to support 01:14:43.660 --> 01:14:50.740 it and then this is a very high-level study that looks at if this entire area is developed 01:14:50.740 --> 01:14:57.580 with residential as well as some commercial mix and we did work with planning on what 01:14:57.580 --> 01:15:01.300 type of mix there would be. 01:15:01.300 --> 01:15:07.620 Then we do require there's -- these are the furniture road linkage linking between Sherman 01:15:07.620 --> 01:15:09.020 and Locust. 01:15:09.020 --> 01:15:13.140 If we have those furniture roads, that would make it safer for people on Stewart to get 01:15:13.140 --> 01:15:19.260 in and out, right in, right out as opposed to actually connecting to the loop which is 01:15:19.260 --> 01:15:23.640 a freeway or a limited access facility in this area. 01:15:23.640 --> 01:15:31.140 We will require Sherman and I think I have a table that goes with this. 01:15:31.140 --> 01:15:41.100 So north of Long Road, FM428, currently we need four but we need to reserve right away 01:15:41.100 --> 01:15:47.940 for six because as the development comes in, we will have to widen it to a six-lane facility. 01:15:47.940 --> 01:16:02.180 FM428 on the bottom, so this is -- I think this is this part of 428. 01:16:02.180 --> 01:16:09.860 It still says that it needs to be a -- oh, actually it's talking about the intersection 01:16:09.860 --> 01:16:10.860 or the interchange. 01:16:10.860 --> 01:16:18.540 If you look at the way this is configured, there's improvements recommended in this study 01:16:18.540 --> 01:16:23.660 and we can explore further but this is a very high-level study that does not get into the 01:16:23.660 --> 01:16:30.700 details of what would work well at one intersection. 01:16:30.700 --> 01:16:34.540 Moving forward, I mean, Stewart Road, there's a configuration recommended. 01:16:34.540 --> 01:16:39.820 Cooper Creek, Collins, these are different projects in this -- all these yellow highlighted 01:16:39.820 --> 01:16:45.240 streets, we're talking about either a four-lane or a six-lane arterial. 01:16:45.240 --> 01:16:52.060 These are either going to be primary or secondary arterial and that's the study that was recently 01:16:52.060 --> 01:16:53.300 completed. 01:16:53.300 --> 01:16:57.380 We can share it with the committee members as well as the public. 01:16:57.380 --> 01:17:03.220 We had an ISR that was submitted to council in January. 01:17:03.220 --> 01:17:08.780 I think it was the second week that talked about this study and presented this information 01:17:08.780 --> 01:17:13.180 but if you have any specific questions, I can answer those. 01:17:13.180 --> 01:17:17.420 >> We do have a couple of blue cards. 01:17:17.420 --> 01:17:20.740 Council Member Briggs. 01:17:20.740 --> 01:17:26.540 >> This may be a question for Mr. Pulsner about the outer loop. 01:17:26.540 --> 01:17:30.220 How -- do we have -- is that in our update? 01:17:30.220 --> 01:17:32.260 Will you be discussing that on the next item? 01:17:32.260 --> 01:17:33.260 >> No, ma'am. 01:17:33.260 --> 01:17:34.260 >> No. 01:17:34.260 --> 01:17:35.260 Okay. 01:17:35.260 --> 01:17:39.300 Do you have any information to share with us on that and how that will affect what you 01:17:39.300 --> 01:17:41.340 see here on the slide? 01:17:41.340 --> 01:17:46.660 >> The COG's 10-year funding plan includes $50 million in Denton County for the outer 01:17:46.660 --> 01:17:55.140 loop that was established in 2018, so sometime in that time frame, COG is just expecting 01:17:55.140 --> 01:18:02.620 the county and then to move forward with some improvements or some study or some work on 01:18:02.620 --> 01:18:08.740 the outer loop that rhymes with the word $50 million and I don't know what that gets you. 01:18:08.740 --> 01:18:12.700 But it's in y'all's thoroughfare plan, it's in the county's thoroughfare plan, and there 01:18:12.700 --> 01:18:17.580 are funds available to establish that corridor environmentally, which is what you need to 01:18:17.580 --> 01:18:25.620 do to protect the corridor and begin to actually plan for some part of it being developed. 01:18:25.620 --> 01:18:34.340 So it's in -- for highway years, it's in a short-term window. 01:18:34.340 --> 01:18:40.540 >> I do want to point out that FM428 between the loop and outer loop is a TextDOT facility, 01:18:40.540 --> 01:18:47.020 so we have started discussion with John as well as TextDOT to see if we can move forward 01:18:47.020 --> 01:18:54.020 with some of the environmental schematic for this particular segment and then we'll have 01:18:54.020 --> 01:19:01.260 a better idea of at least the long-term we'll have the schematic and start securing the right 01:19:01.260 --> 01:19:07.020 of way as these developments come in, but in the short-term we can come up with solutions 01:19:07.020 --> 01:19:12.980 internally for the city to widen certain segments, especially closer to the city and then phase 01:19:12.980 --> 01:19:15.060 the project appropriately. 01:19:15.060 --> 01:19:22.780 >> And if you stick to relatively traditional design criteria, there's a good chance TextDOT 01:19:22.780 --> 01:19:29.020 will be willing to step up and do the funding of the project. 01:19:29.020 --> 01:19:35.940 If you go to more exotic types of traffic movement, they'll let you do it, but at the 01:19:35.940 --> 01:19:39.020 end of the day they're going to want you to take it off system. 01:19:39.020 --> 01:19:40.740 >> Like roundabouts, for instance? 01:19:40.740 --> 01:19:41.740 >> For exact. 01:19:41.740 --> 01:19:42.740 >> Okay. 01:19:42.740 --> 01:19:43.740 >> All right. 01:19:43.740 --> 01:19:49.460 Do we have time to talk about the virtues of roundabouts now? 01:19:49.460 --> 01:19:53.260 >> Is that what you were looking for? 01:19:53.260 --> 01:19:54.260 >> No. 01:19:54.260 --> 01:19:55.260 Not at all. 01:19:55.260 --> 01:19:56.260 Just a question. 01:19:56.260 --> 01:20:00.660 You may have said this, but I -- and so the intention is to have 428 as a four-lane-divided 01:20:00.660 --> 01:20:01.660 highway? 01:20:01.660 --> 01:20:05.380 >> So there are a couple of things we're looking at. 01:20:05.380 --> 01:20:07.740 There are several options. 01:20:07.740 --> 01:20:15.060 If we look at how this particular feeder road feeds into long-term big picture as part of 01:20:15.060 --> 01:20:21.820 our mobility plan considerations, this is a limited access freeway, loop in this area 01:20:21.820 --> 01:20:29.940 is a limited access freeway, 380 coming into the city will be connecting there. 01:20:29.940 --> 01:20:32.780 That's part of one of their alternatives they're looking at. 01:20:32.780 --> 01:20:38.940 So big picture, this may -- we may look at having this as a spur, which is also limited 01:20:38.940 --> 01:20:41.160 access from the outer loop to the loop. 01:20:41.160 --> 01:20:46.460 So a lot of things going on, but the interim, we want to make sure that we at least have 01:20:46.460 --> 01:20:54.300 some widening and at least a middle turn lane so that people can easily get in and out of 01:20:54.300 --> 01:20:58.060 some of these cross streets, partly field. 01:20:58.060 --> 01:21:01.940 >> So if we're talking about timing, the most -- the more recent thing that we're talking 01:21:01.940 --> 01:21:04.380 about is just adding a turn lane? 01:21:04.380 --> 01:21:05.380 >> Yes. 01:21:05.380 --> 01:21:06.380 >> Okay. 01:21:06.380 --> 01:21:10.380 >> So it will be phased slowly depending on how the development comes in. 01:21:10.380 --> 01:21:16.860 So we'll -- at an interim, we're adding a turn lane at a minimum and then moving forward 01:21:16.860 --> 01:21:18.780 we'll phase in widening the street. 01:21:18.780 --> 01:21:20.940 >> And what is the timeline on that? 01:21:20.940 --> 01:21:27.340 >> We don't have a timeline at this point, but we'll be bringing that soon to council. 01:21:27.340 --> 01:21:28.340 >> Okay. 01:21:28.340 --> 01:21:29.500 >> You know, I can just add one thing. 01:21:29.500 --> 01:21:34.460 If TxDOT believes there's additional development that's going to come into this quarter, which 01:21:34.460 --> 01:21:39.660 I think that's easy enough to make, they're probably going to lean towards a six lane 01:21:39.660 --> 01:21:45.460 as opposed to a four lane because they've had experiences where they've allowed communities 01:21:45.460 --> 01:21:50.580 to talk them into four lane divides that come in and get developed later and then they have 01:21:50.580 --> 01:21:53.360 all kinds of mobility and access issues. 01:21:53.360 --> 01:22:00.520 So TxDOT are probably pushing you to a six lane if, you know, they're going to participate. 01:22:00.520 --> 01:22:03.660 >> So let's have more discussion after we hear from the members of the public wishing 01:22:03.660 --> 01:22:04.660 to speak. 01:22:04.660 --> 01:22:05.660 Walter McGovern? 01:22:05.660 --> 01:22:15.660 >> Thank you very much for leaving the screen on. 01:22:15.660 --> 01:22:16.660 My name is Walter McGovern. 01:22:16.660 --> 01:22:23.140 I live on 3110 Hartley Field Road and I just -- I'm not going to take a lot of your time. 01:22:23.140 --> 01:22:29.380 I do want to -- I do appreciate you letting me attend this meeting. 01:22:29.380 --> 01:22:33.820 The biggest thing, though, for me, for my wife and I is safety reasons. 01:22:33.820 --> 01:22:35.960 Both my wife and I moved from Valley View. 01:22:35.960 --> 01:22:40.360 We had a 60 acre horse ranch and now we have a seven acre horse ranch over there. 01:22:40.360 --> 01:22:43.060 We have a large trailer. 01:22:43.060 --> 01:22:45.460 Both of us do a lot of traveling with our trailers. 01:22:45.460 --> 01:22:50.380 We'll need to come down 35, walk from Aubrey. 01:22:50.380 --> 01:22:56.380 My biggest concern is safety coming off of Hartley Field Road. 01:22:56.380 --> 01:23:00.260 Coming from Aubrey, turning to go down. 01:23:00.260 --> 01:23:01.740 >> If you can stay closer to the mic. 01:23:01.740 --> 01:23:02.740 >> I'm sorry. 01:23:02.740 --> 01:23:04.340 >> We need a longer arm. 01:23:04.340 --> 01:23:05.340 >> Right. 01:23:05.340 --> 01:23:07.140 I'm sorry. 01:23:07.140 --> 01:23:08.140 Coming in from Aubrey, turning. 01:23:08.140 --> 01:23:12.380 >> I think you can kind of stretch it -- I think you can kind of pull it in the direction 01:23:12.380 --> 01:23:13.380 of that. 01:23:13.380 --> 01:23:14.380 >> All right. 01:23:14.380 --> 01:23:15.380 Okay. 01:23:15.380 --> 01:23:16.380 All right. 01:23:16.380 --> 01:23:17.380 Thank you. 01:23:17.380 --> 01:23:20.460 Coming in from Aubrey, coming from north down to Aubrey, from Aubrey down to Hartley Field 01:23:20.460 --> 01:23:23.140 Road to make that left-hand turn. 01:23:23.140 --> 01:23:27.620 I have to slow down almost to stop before I can turn. 01:23:27.620 --> 01:23:30.740 I have to wait for people to come -- coming from me. 01:23:30.740 --> 01:23:35.880 I have to stop -- I have to wait until I'm sure there's nobody coming over the hill before 01:23:35.880 --> 01:23:37.140 I make that turn. 01:23:37.140 --> 01:23:38.680 That's a safety concern for me. 01:23:38.680 --> 01:23:47.540 And then coming in from 35 to Hartley Field Road, I have to wait right at the loop. 01:23:47.540 --> 01:23:54.220 Sometimes I have to be pretty audacious about the timing to get me and my trailer on Sherman 01:23:54.220 --> 01:23:56.880 to make the turn into Hartley Field Road. 01:23:56.880 --> 01:23:59.460 So my biggest concern is safety. 01:23:59.460 --> 01:24:03.900 From what I hear right here, possibly going to a four-lane road, that would be great, 01:24:03.900 --> 01:24:07.220 plus to stop lights and everything like that. 01:24:07.220 --> 01:24:10.940 This is just my personal opinion, but I know they have some other experienced people out 01:24:10.940 --> 01:24:14.420 here, but I do want to go ahead and let you know, thank you very much for allowing me 01:24:14.420 --> 01:24:15.420 to do this. 01:24:15.420 --> 01:24:16.420 Thank you. 01:24:16.420 --> 01:24:17.420 >> Thank you. 01:24:17.420 --> 01:24:18.420 Okay. 01:24:18.420 --> 01:24:19.420 And Richard Wells. 01:24:19.420 --> 01:24:31.380 >> Go ahead and ask -- go ahead and ask on the mic just -- yeah, but -- okay, but I'll 01:24:31.380 --> 01:24:32.380 ask the question. 01:24:32.380 --> 01:24:34.980 Can you indicate where the city limits are? 01:24:34.980 --> 01:24:37.860 That came up last night, too. 01:24:37.860 --> 01:24:38.860 People need to know. 01:24:38.860 --> 01:24:46.260 Where does the city end? 01:24:46.260 --> 01:24:50.220 Thank you, guys, for your time. 01:24:50.220 --> 01:24:52.140 Are you representing Council of Governments? 01:24:52.140 --> 01:24:54.940 I heard somebody -- oh, okay. 01:24:54.940 --> 01:24:56.780 >> He's our TextDOT consultant. 01:24:56.780 --> 01:25:01.220 He works -- he has a presentation next on all the TextDOT on system. 01:25:01.220 --> 01:25:02.220 >> Oh, great. 01:25:02.220 --> 01:25:03.220 Yeah. 01:25:03.220 --> 01:25:04.220 >> Another road nerd. 01:25:04.220 --> 01:25:05.220 Like this stuff. 01:25:05.220 --> 01:25:06.220 >> Yeah. 01:25:06.220 --> 01:25:14.180 While he's doing this, on 428, you all probably already know this, but TextDOT owns 150 feet 01:25:14.180 --> 01:25:17.520 right of way, and for a six-lane, it would be about 250. 01:25:17.520 --> 01:25:22.420 So it's going to be a whole lot of right of way that's going to have to be bought or purchased 01:25:22.420 --> 01:25:24.460 or -- yeah. 01:25:24.460 --> 01:25:34.280 Well, all mine comes from what I read online on their statistics and things. 01:25:34.280 --> 01:25:37.980 The reason that I'm asking for an overlay here is so you can kind of get a better idea. 01:25:37.980 --> 01:25:42.980 I don't know, but the city limits run kind of odd out there, and we're proposing these 01:25:42.980 --> 01:25:48.180 roads here, and some of those may not be within the city limits, which means you've got to 01:25:48.180 --> 01:25:50.660 work with the county and other folks. 01:25:50.660 --> 01:25:54.780 So that would be a bit of a concern. 01:25:54.780 --> 01:25:55.780 Yeah. 01:25:55.780 --> 01:25:57.540 I'm sorry to be a problem. 01:25:57.540 --> 01:26:03.180 It just concerns me, first of all, that when I -- and great stuff online, because I looked 01:26:03.180 --> 01:26:08.140 at all this before the meeting and best information I could get, and I looked at the city limits 01:26:08.140 --> 01:26:12.140 map, but I can't mentally do a good overlay. 01:26:12.140 --> 01:26:16.460 And I'm worried that some of that proposed roads, those long-term proposed that you talked 01:26:16.460 --> 01:26:22.020 about so nicely there may be not in the city, which means you've got to deal with the county 01:26:22.020 --> 01:26:23.580 and a whole bunch of other folks, too. 01:26:23.580 --> 01:26:26.220 So I just kind of was concerned about that. 01:26:26.220 --> 01:26:32.740 Do you have plans of empire pre-term, or are you trying to expand the empire here? 01:26:32.740 --> 01:26:34.940 That's because I live in the county. 01:26:34.940 --> 01:26:38.980 I'm surrounded now by the city pretty much already. 01:26:38.980 --> 01:26:47.620 So while y'all are doing that, I can go ahead and start a little bit, and it just came to 01:26:47.620 --> 01:26:50.020 my head because of the short-term -- 01:26:50.020 --> 01:26:51.020 I'm sorry. 01:26:51.020 --> 01:26:52.020 Excuse me. 01:26:52.020 --> 01:26:53.020 Did you give your name and address? 01:26:53.020 --> 01:26:54.020 I'm sorry. 01:26:54.020 --> 01:26:55.020 I'm Richard Wells. 01:26:55.020 --> 01:26:56.020 Yeah. 01:26:56.020 --> 01:26:57.020 Sure. 01:26:57.020 --> 01:26:58.020 Give your name and address and your time will begin. 01:26:58.020 --> 01:26:59.500 I'm 3830 Warshoen, about a mile outside the city limits. 01:26:59.500 --> 01:27:05.340 We're surrounded northeast and south by the city. 01:27:05.340 --> 01:27:08.980 And I've been in this discussion because we're talking a lot with the city, and the planning 01:27:08.980 --> 01:27:14.580 is only about the developments that are going to go on out there, which is not your concern. 01:27:14.580 --> 01:27:20.840 So it looks like some of the roads you proposed are not in the city limits in that long-term 01:27:20.840 --> 01:27:22.900 thing. 01:27:22.900 --> 01:27:24.980 They look like they go over county spaces. 01:27:24.980 --> 01:27:25.980 Correct. 01:27:25.980 --> 01:27:27.500 But it's within the city, T.J. 01:27:27.500 --> 01:27:30.180 Typically that's what happens is they plan our mobility according to that. 01:27:30.180 --> 01:27:33.860 I couldn't find it online, so I think that's one thing we need to consider. 01:27:33.860 --> 01:27:40.500 Okay, so back to your short-term thing, nice idea on the bridge and everything, but according 01:27:40.500 --> 01:27:47.100 to the Denton Mobility Plan, the Pedestrian and Bicycle Mobility Plan of 2014, that's 01:27:47.100 --> 01:27:51.900 a major bicycle route, and if you get under that bridge and start doing all those roads 01:27:51.900 --> 01:27:55.660 and turn lanes and everything, you've pretty much killed the bicycle route through there. 01:27:55.660 --> 01:28:00.060 You didn't talk about that, so that's something I would just ask you to consider. 01:28:00.060 --> 01:28:05.820 I don't ride a bicycle out there, but in all the plans, both the North Texas Central Council 01:28:05.820 --> 01:28:16.100 of Governments, county and city, that is the only northeast bicycle artery, and it is considered 01:28:16.100 --> 01:28:23.380 in the Denton plans a major artery that goes from Hercules all the way out to Aubrey. 01:28:23.380 --> 01:28:27.180 So if you do all that stuff under the bridge, I'm afraid you're killing a bunch of bicycle 01:28:27.180 --> 01:28:29.660 lanes. 01:28:29.660 --> 01:28:38.140 On the other items, I had a 2014 study already shows that 428 level of service F in the early 01:28:38.140 --> 01:28:43.060 mornings, which means that it's already jammed up, so it speaks a lot to the safety problems 01:28:43.060 --> 01:28:45.340 we talked about and things like that. 01:28:45.340 --> 01:28:53.020 If you look very carefully, I'm sorry, you had this one up earlier, those proposed roadways 01:28:53.020 --> 01:29:01.560 go through what is called a watershed. 01:29:01.560 --> 01:29:05.620 It has high watershed scores on Milam Creek and Clear Creek. 01:29:05.620 --> 01:29:10.540 Denton County Greenbelt plan adopted that, talks about those watersheds, and you're crossing 01:29:10.540 --> 01:29:13.060 it in about seven places. 01:29:13.060 --> 01:29:17.180 That's a protected, not protected watershed, but a proposed watershed. 01:29:17.180 --> 01:29:21.020 So if you look at all those roads you've drawn, I kind of drew little circles on there, and 01:29:21.020 --> 01:29:25.180 it goes through some very sensitive areas for Denton County. 01:29:25.180 --> 01:29:29.920 So I would just ask you to consider that very carefully when you start building those roads 01:29:29.920 --> 01:29:31.980 across those watersheds. 01:29:31.980 --> 01:29:38.100 Already TexDOT and North Central Texas Council of Governance has major discussions about 01:29:38.100 --> 01:29:46.900 crossing the Greenbelt because of the historic bridge there and because of the Greenbelt, 01:29:46.900 --> 01:29:49.140 what it's used for and everything. 01:29:49.140 --> 01:29:52.660 One of the proposals was take six lanes down to four lanes to cross the Greenbelt and then 01:29:52.660 --> 01:29:58.620 go back up to six lanes, which kind of sounds kind of strange. 01:29:58.620 --> 01:30:04.980 I think that there are 10,000 students a day or something like that that attend the school 01:30:04.980 --> 01:30:05.980 out there. 01:30:05.980 --> 01:30:06.980 Is that correct? 01:30:06.980 --> 01:30:09.380 You're coming up on your time, so you know what I'm talking about. 01:30:09.380 --> 01:30:12.860 So I'm just saying the traffic out there is already very heavy. 01:30:12.860 --> 01:30:19.460 I think it would be make sure you look at proposed city limits and yes, you have the 01:30:19.460 --> 01:30:20.460 ETJ. 01:30:20.460 --> 01:30:21.460 That's true. 01:30:21.460 --> 01:30:25.360 Look at the wetlands, the floodplains, and all the reports that have come out about that 01:30:25.360 --> 01:30:28.380 and consider very carefully this bicycle thing that goes through there. 01:30:28.380 --> 01:30:30.140 I know a lot of people use that. 01:30:30.140 --> 01:30:31.140 Thank you for your time. 01:30:31.140 --> 01:30:32.140 Thank you, Mr. Wells. 01:30:32.140 --> 01:30:33.140 Okay. 01:30:33.140 --> 01:30:37.940 So we're asked to hold the discussion, but you're not asking us for direction today. 01:30:37.940 --> 01:30:39.980 No, not at this time. 01:30:39.980 --> 01:30:42.980 Any other thoughts? 01:30:42.980 --> 01:30:49.060 If he has one, I just have a couple of questions. 01:30:49.060 --> 01:30:53.000 Continue with the current plan and as things develop, bring it back to us. 01:30:53.000 --> 01:30:58.940 I'm looking forward to the mobility update coming up later this year. 01:30:58.940 --> 01:30:59.940 Council Member Briggs? 01:30:59.940 --> 01:31:01.100 Just a couple of comments. 01:31:01.100 --> 01:31:05.060 I'm glad the gentleman brought up the use of horse trailers because during my neighborhood 01:31:05.060 --> 01:31:11.860 meeting I think 20 people were there and no one lived on any acreage less than two. 01:31:11.860 --> 01:31:16.060 And several of them had trailers and horses and cattle. 01:31:16.060 --> 01:31:21.700 So like Mr. Polster said, a roundabout in that area might not be the best for large 01:31:21.700 --> 01:31:25.000 vehicles traveling. 01:31:25.000 --> 01:31:27.460 And I don't know if that -- I'm just throwing that out there. 01:31:27.460 --> 01:31:28.940 So I just -- two things. 01:31:28.940 --> 01:31:33.820 I'm also glad that the greenbelt was brought up on 428 because 380 access has been blocked 01:31:33.820 --> 01:31:36.100 off for a really long time. 01:31:36.100 --> 01:31:39.340 And this is an important access point for us. 01:31:39.340 --> 01:31:45.140 And so I want to make sure that that bike lane and that access is protected no matter 01:31:45.140 --> 01:31:49.380 what kind of growth we have out in this area. 01:31:49.380 --> 01:31:56.620 And then I would also like a hard date on the lights at the intersection of -- or maybe 01:31:56.620 --> 01:32:03.860 a little better time frame on the lights and the upgrades at the loop and Sherman intersection 01:32:03.860 --> 01:32:07.260 so that I can share those with my constituents. 01:32:07.260 --> 01:32:15.860 Yeah, and just upload the study, the traffic study, in the back -- in the backup so that 01:32:15.860 --> 01:32:21.180 there's a better idea of the traffic coming to the area. 01:32:21.180 --> 01:32:25.460 I'll just weigh in -- you know, I don't want to get too far off the posting into land use, 01:32:25.460 --> 01:32:34.820 but just to say that I'm increasingly interested in how far we are or are not drifting from 01:32:34.820 --> 01:32:41.740 the 2030 plan in terms of the sort of intended look for the city in 2030. 01:32:41.740 --> 01:32:46.900 You know, this is all premised on the pace of growth in this particular corridor. 01:32:46.900 --> 01:32:52.020 And you know, I think we're going to have to at least sort of recheck against what was 01:32:52.020 --> 01:33:01.420 the intended look of this area because it is an important natural and rural part, and 01:33:01.420 --> 01:33:06.580 some areas are more kind of guided toward in-field development and some are not so that 01:33:06.580 --> 01:33:11.700 we end up with a kind of balanced picture when we're done with this whole dang thing. 01:33:11.700 --> 01:33:18.500 So you know, I'd just say there's probably more conversations coming that will affect 01:33:18.500 --> 01:33:20.620 the look of development in that corridor. 01:33:20.620 --> 01:33:22.220 >> Okay. 01:33:22.220 --> 01:33:24.540 >> Anything else? 01:33:24.540 --> 01:33:25.540 >> Yep. 01:33:25.540 --> 01:33:26.540 >> All right. 01:33:26.540 --> 01:33:33.100 >> Janelle, would you all like us to put 428 improvements on your report that we did for 01:33:33.100 --> 01:33:34.100 Maryland? 01:33:34.100 --> 01:33:35.100 >> Yes, please. 01:33:35.100 --> 01:33:36.100 >> Yes. 01:33:36.100 --> 01:33:37.100 Thank you. 01:33:37.100 --> 01:33:44.820 So I'm going to close item D. And I understand we have five minutes for item E and staff 01:33:44.820 --> 01:33:45.820 reports. 01:33:45.820 --> 01:33:46.820 What do you want to do? 01:33:46.820 --> 01:33:47.820 >> I'm going to hit the highlights. 01:33:47.820 --> 01:33:48.820 >> All right. 01:33:48.820 --> 01:33:49.820 Go for it. 01:33:49.820 --> 01:33:54.660 So item E, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding TxDOT on-system projects in the 01:33:54.660 --> 01:33:56.540 Denton area to include the 35 Express project. 01:33:56.540 --> 01:33:59.220 >> We'll start with bad news. 01:33:59.220 --> 01:34:03.460 TxDOT did terminate the contract with MCM on 2181. 01:34:03.460 --> 01:34:13.580 TxDOT is looking at having a maintenance contract done to take and resurface some of the more 01:34:13.580 --> 01:34:18.140 difficult parts of the road that are deteriorating because of the construction. 01:34:18.140 --> 01:34:24.540 The bond council, I mean the bonding company is Berkshire Hathaway, and they are challenging 01:34:24.540 --> 01:34:27.300 determination. 01:34:27.300 --> 01:34:35.100 And so this could be anywhere from nine to 12 months before you see anything happen on 01:34:35.100 --> 01:34:38.380 2181 other than what's happening now. 01:34:38.380 --> 01:34:44.860 We've got one closure that the bonding company is paying the sub. 01:34:44.860 --> 01:34:49.280 So the sub is continuing to make that improvement arrangement so they can get that thing back 01:34:49.280 --> 01:34:51.180 up and in about 20 days. 01:34:51.180 --> 01:34:58.860 So MCM has been terminated, they're no longer, TxDOT is going to be arguing with the bonding 01:34:58.860 --> 01:35:01.460 company but they're not going to allow them back on the project. 01:35:01.460 --> 01:35:05.980 So it will go fallow for a period of time. 01:35:05.980 --> 01:35:09.980 Just want you all to know that. 01:35:09.980 --> 01:35:12.980 Then 377 four-wheel drive has begun construction. 01:35:12.980 --> 01:35:16.380 I don't know if you notice that if you drive out there, they already started clearing the 01:35:16.380 --> 01:35:17.380 right away. 01:35:17.380 --> 01:35:23.300 We've got a few issues with some utilities that we need to address, but they're minor 01:35:23.300 --> 01:35:26.740 as far as timing goes. 01:35:26.740 --> 01:35:35.660 Your 35 Brinker Mayhill Project 288, the contractor has told TxDOT that they will be switching 01:35:35.660 --> 01:35:42.220 the traffic to the new bridge on March 9th, and last week I looked at it, I didn't think 01:35:42.220 --> 01:35:45.660 there was any way they could make it, but today when I drove through here, it's looking 01:35:45.660 --> 01:35:46.960 pretty close. 01:35:46.960 --> 01:35:52.100 So if they make that time frame, all the traffic that's on 35 will be moved up to the upper 01:35:52.100 --> 01:35:56.240 deck and then they'll do the remaining part of the project. 01:35:56.240 --> 01:36:04.060 Once they get the traffic up on the top deck, they will be able to open a temporary connection 01:36:04.060 --> 01:36:13.700 from Brinker across 35 to the development on the west side of the facility. 01:36:13.700 --> 01:36:16.860 Can I interject a little bit? 01:36:16.860 --> 01:36:23.340 He's already updated with the active construction projects, so if we can, can we skip the other 01:36:23.340 --> 01:36:25.340 projects that are fairly in the design phase? 01:36:25.340 --> 01:36:27.460 Yeah, I was going to say that. 01:36:27.460 --> 01:36:29.780 Those are the main issues. 01:36:29.780 --> 01:36:36.860 I wanted you to know that 2181, if you start getting complaints because nobody's working, 01:36:36.860 --> 01:36:39.460 it's because nobody's working. 01:36:39.460 --> 01:36:46.460 And then we're going to see some major traffic shift on 35 in the heart of your town next 01:36:46.460 --> 01:36:47.460 month. 01:36:47.460 --> 01:36:52.940 Mr. Polster, if I can ask, on 2181, how much information should we release to the public 01:36:52.940 --> 01:36:58.540 when it comes, just to help kind of soften the blow to at least be proactive in communications? 01:36:58.540 --> 01:37:02.300 So the only thing I would have changed on the report that I will change going forward 01:37:02.300 --> 01:37:10.300 is it's terminated, but TechStat area office is going to be contracting with a maintenance 01:37:10.300 --> 01:37:18.140 contract to keep 2181 viable as a roadway during this hiatus. 01:37:18.140 --> 01:37:23.100 Those are the only two major issues with that project. 01:37:23.100 --> 01:37:26.500 Thank you for updating us. 01:37:26.500 --> 01:37:28.860 One quick question if I may. 01:37:28.860 --> 01:37:29.860 Okay. 01:37:29.860 --> 01:37:32.660 Well, you know, you got the first one last time there was a conflict, so I'm going to 01:37:32.660 --> 01:37:34.140 let Council Member Briggs go first now. 01:37:34.140 --> 01:37:36.260 There will be a gentleman about it, I'm sure. 01:37:36.260 --> 01:37:41.460 Yeah, just on the, on the loop, because we've had some questions about that and some, just 01:37:41.460 --> 01:37:47.100 the, because it's moving along, but it's just the frontage, correct? 01:37:47.100 --> 01:37:52.500 No, we're clearing a controlled access freeway that's about 350 feet. 01:37:52.500 --> 01:37:56.860 We're acquiring all the, we'll acquire all the right-of-way for the entire facility. 01:37:56.860 --> 01:38:02.660 And then right now we're, we've got earmark on enough money to do the northbound frontage 01:38:02.660 --> 01:38:08.580 road, but I'm not giving up on, we got some time between now and then to find additional 01:38:08.580 --> 01:38:10.260 funds on it. 01:38:10.260 --> 01:38:11.260 To do the full loop? 01:38:11.260 --> 01:38:12.260 That's a minimum. 01:38:12.260 --> 01:38:13.260 Okay. 01:38:13.260 --> 01:38:14.260 Of where we'll start. 01:38:14.260 --> 01:38:16.740 And just for those listening, this is the inner loop, not the outer loop. 01:38:16.740 --> 01:38:18.100 That's the inner loop's a little bit closer. 01:38:18.100 --> 01:38:19.100 Loop 288. 01:38:19.100 --> 01:38:20.100 Yeah, Loop 288. 01:38:20.100 --> 01:38:21.100 Thank you. 01:38:21.100 --> 01:38:22.860 Thank you. 01:38:22.860 --> 01:38:23.860 I'll pretend. 01:38:23.860 --> 01:38:27.940 On 377, we talked about Rose Lawn would be opening up after the sanitary sewer. 01:38:27.940 --> 01:38:32.820 Do you know if that's true or because the railroad bridge is going in on that side and 01:38:32.820 --> 01:38:38.540 it's so close between the tracks and Rose Lawn, will that remain closed until a new 01:38:38.540 --> 01:38:39.540 bridge is in? 01:38:39.540 --> 01:38:42.860 No, no, the Rose Lawn will be opened once the sanitary sewer line gets moved, because 01:38:42.860 --> 01:38:46.820 the work that we're doing with UP at that area is pretty much within the UP right-of-way. 01:38:46.820 --> 01:38:47.820 Okay. 01:38:47.820 --> 01:38:52.100 We can't go outside. 01:38:52.100 --> 01:38:53.100 Okay. 01:38:53.100 --> 01:38:54.860 All right. 01:38:54.860 --> 01:38:55.860 Thank you. 01:38:55.860 --> 01:38:59.340 And that's within our time. 01:38:59.340 --> 01:39:03.380 You have 30 seconds for staff reports? 01:39:03.380 --> 01:39:04.380 Okay. 01:39:04.380 --> 01:39:07.280 I haven't ended the report. 01:39:07.280 --> 01:39:08.280 I'll quickly go over. 01:39:08.280 --> 01:39:11.780 There are a couple things in the matrix that I want to clean up. 01:39:11.780 --> 01:39:18.620 Number six, DCT update as we decided today that we'll get monthly updates from Sarah, 01:39:18.620 --> 01:39:23.100 and I would like to remove that item because we were going to agenda as it will be on the 01:39:23.100 --> 01:39:24.100 agenda. 01:39:24.100 --> 01:39:25.100 Okay. 01:39:25.100 --> 01:39:26.940 And then the next item, number seven, walking tour. 01:39:26.940 --> 01:39:33.460 We're planning on putting an ISR in the Friday packet for just what we've done and what we 01:39:33.460 --> 01:39:34.700 discussed at the tour. 01:39:34.700 --> 01:39:36.580 So that would clear off this item. 01:39:36.580 --> 01:39:38.660 So we plan on removing if you don't have it. 01:39:38.660 --> 01:39:39.660 Yeah, actually, we did. 01:39:39.660 --> 01:39:40.660 Yeah. 01:39:40.660 --> 01:39:41.660 Okay. 01:39:41.660 --> 01:39:48.140 And then the other items, we do plan on bringing them one after the other on the agenda, like 01:39:48.140 --> 01:39:52.840 for example, the protected bike lanes and connectivity and so and so forth. 01:39:52.840 --> 01:39:54.480 Quick update on the forest ridge. 01:39:54.480 --> 01:40:02.800 We are looking at options for removing the medians in the top section. 01:40:02.800 --> 01:40:10.020 That is a more, how do you say, that would address most of the concerns and based on 01:40:10.020 --> 01:40:15.020 the level difference between the two streets, but we don't know the fiscal impacts of that 01:40:15.020 --> 01:40:20.040 and we'll bring it forward at some point, but currently we are looking at taking the 01:40:20.040 --> 01:40:21.040 median out. 01:40:21.040 --> 01:40:23.020 Do you want to say about that D4? 01:40:23.020 --> 01:40:30.860 Well, and I believe someone from engineering will be at the February 25th forest ridge 01:40:30.860 --> 01:40:32.420 HOA meeting. 01:40:32.420 --> 01:40:36.020 I'm not aware of that, but we can tell. 01:40:36.020 --> 01:40:43.940 Someone from staff said that they've been contacted by them to be there for that. 01:40:43.940 --> 01:40:52.260 So, yeah, because the HOA recently paid for reinstalling irrigation and electric to that 01:40:52.260 --> 01:40:54.140 median about two years ago. 01:40:54.140 --> 01:40:55.140 Okay. 01:40:55.140 --> 01:40:56.140 So that would be a good discussion. 01:40:56.140 --> 01:40:57.140 I mean, yes. 01:40:57.140 --> 01:41:00.300 We're kind of pushing at burning items. 01:41:00.300 --> 01:41:01.980 Just one last thing. 01:41:01.980 --> 01:41:08.500 On the matrix, I'd like to add an item for our department or of mobility to consider 01:41:08.500 --> 01:41:14.700 adding a goal or adopting a goal that's been adopted by other cities known as vision zero. 01:41:14.700 --> 01:41:20.700 And so if we just need a work session on what that is and what we need to do to do that. 01:41:20.700 --> 01:41:28.280 And you can get back to me if you want via an email, I just would like to understand 01:41:28.280 --> 01:41:33.780 what the concept is for the road going through the going alongside the service center came 01:41:33.780 --> 01:41:38.380 up in town hall last night and Tracy could fill you in. 01:41:38.380 --> 01:41:40.340 So this is Roodell's real realignment. 01:41:40.340 --> 01:41:46.860 Yeah, I want to take the time now and then we are having a public meeting on that item 01:41:46.860 --> 01:41:47.860 next Monday. 01:41:47.860 --> 01:41:48.860 Okay. 01:41:48.860 --> 01:41:55.700 Yeah, please put that in the note and I'll post it as well when we're all out of town. 01:41:55.700 --> 01:41:59.020 Also quickly, I don't want to do one to remove it. 01:41:59.020 --> 01:42:01.300 The small area plan has been completed. 01:42:01.300 --> 01:42:02.300 So yep. 01:42:02.300 --> 01:42:03.300 Okay, good. 01:42:03.300 --> 01:42:04.300 Okay. 01:42:04.300 --> 01:42:11.500 So I'm going to close the meeting at 1043.