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 Good morning, and welcome to this meeting of the Mobility Committee.

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 We have a quorum present.

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 I'm advised that we need to do this in an hour and a half, but I'm going to stick to

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 our new protocol that we will hear members of the present public, so I just ask you to

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 be super concise and let us know what you want us to know.

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 We have a quorum present.

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 I'll move right into our first item, which is item A, consider approval of the minutes

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 of the Mobility Committee of the Denton City Council, meeting minutes of January 29th.

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 Move approval.

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 Minutes are approved.

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 I'll move into item B, Receive Report, and hold the discussion regarding updates from

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 the Denton County Transportation Authority from our very special guest, returning champion

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 Sara Bagheri.

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 Thanks, everybody, for having me.

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 I appreciate it.

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 I'll try to be brief.

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 I brought the updated maps and schedules for -- oh, is it not on?

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 It's green.

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 I brought the updated maps and schedules, and I brought our budget document, and I just

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 wanted to go over some of the goals that they have at DCTA.

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 I don't know how much you've been briefed prior, but there have been some changes to

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 the legislative program as far as the language, just a couple minor tweaks to what constitutes

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 a quorum and what's a member city.

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 So we'll have our legislative committee -- or our Executive Committee meeting today, and

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 then we'll be down in Austin next week at Denton County Days advocating for that change.

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 So that's kind of very, very near-term, created a local government company, or we are creating

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 a local government company, so that'll take kind of the whole situation with the bus drivers,

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 move it into a company.

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 Implementing positive train control technology, that's another big one.

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 And then just kind of looking forward, I know that the new legislation, should it be passed,

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 one of you guys, one of the council members will be able to take the seat if they want

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 I would recommend, however, the other member cities have their alternate as an assistant

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 city manager, and I didn't run this by Mario, so he's probably upset, but anyway.

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 So I would recommend doing that, and the reason for that is, it would allow Mario or whoever

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 is in management to sit in on the closed sessions, and in the closed sessions, we go over some

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 of the economic development and longer-term planning for the corridor, and I think that

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 would be really helpful for somebody in management to be aware of what's happening on the Louisville

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 end of things, and what could happen on the Denton end of things, and vice versa.

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 So it just would improve communication, in my opinion, sorry.

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 It's got lots of spare time.

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 Well, I mean, I think somebody, just sending somebody that is employed by the city would

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 be a good idea, because you would have some consistency, and you could actually have that

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 information pipeline a little bit better.

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 So I guess if there are any questions about any of the legislative stuff, I'll answer

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 those, and then just move into really quickly some of the goals.

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 So short-term goals, obviously, increased ridership.

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 They did increase bus ridership this last quarter by reducing fares.

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 Train ridership is down, and that's definitely been one of my discussion topics, is how do

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 we get train ridership up.

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 That inevitably leads to the longer-term goals of extending the train line, and connecting

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 to US 380.

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 And I don't know, John, you might know more about this, but my understanding is that the

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 cog has a long-term goal of having transit connectivity in the 380 corridor.

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 So that's kind of very high-level, that's something to consider.

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 Otherwise, I think DCT will probably look more towards extending a train line, like

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 from Lewisville to Frisco is kind of another option that's being discussed, and obviously

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 my preference would be to have a Denton connectivity rather than the Frisco, that other train line.

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 So anyway, all very high-level, and I'm leaving the budget document, which has the guidance

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 strategic plan in here, and you guys can take a look in your off time, which is so numerous,

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 the best thing to look at, to see kind of what's on.

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 is this agency going, like what's happening with the agency.

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 If your interest is the financial aspect of it, the budget portion is very concise, and

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 So on the strategic plan, who creates that document?

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 They have somebody that they hire to do it, is my understanding.

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 the people will stay the same, but rather than them being contractors, they will become

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 employees of the local government corporation, which then a portion of our board will probably

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 be a board of the local government corporation, so it'll be more like they're employees rather

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 Mr. Chair, would you, just because I know that we had not had in the past for mobility, we

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 Is this something you would like to see on a monthly basis or how often would you like

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 to have, just to where we can coordinate with Ms. McGarry?

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 So I'd say then let's go ahead and, you know, let's say monthly.

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 And by all means, if staff can come along and fill in any part of the picture that you don't

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 So let's close out item A, opening B, and for those who came in later, we're trying

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 to do this in an hour and a half, but, excuse me, that was B, so I'm moving on to C. So

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 I want to hear members of the public just ask you to be concise, you know, because we've

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 spoken before, most of us, you know, so try to focus on the new thing you want us to hear.

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 Item B is receive a report and hold, excuse me, item C is receive a report, hold the discussion,

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 And we've got three cards, Kim McKibbin.

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 I know we went through the whole presentation and looked at a bunch of options and alternatives,

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 their viability, feasibility, recommendations from consultant.

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 Is it even an option?

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 The committee recommended alternative or option three, which required going over in this side

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 Very narrow intersection that turning radius is not present, so if we do anything with

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 the planning level, high level review.

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 we're down to nine to 10 spaces net gain.

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 That's the way I look at it at this point.

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 We'll have to talk to businesses and see if we can gain all 20 spaces if we go that route.

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 There are a lot of unknowns, so we don't know that this is a feasible alternative at this

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 point, about a two-month process, as I mentioned.

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 So that's a quick report back to the committee on what we've found.

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 As far as moving forward with one of the alternatives, currently Hickory Street is completing construction

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 in summer.

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 If we pick an alternative, we go to council.

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 I think it takes about a month to get on the agenda and another month for engineering design

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 of signing and striping the alternative that we pick.

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 So it's about a two-month process, so we want to make sure that we get ahead and not wait

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 until the last minute after the street is completed with, given the pedestrian, the

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 amount of traffic flow, and the whole area, it doesn't make any sense to leave it unmarked

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 or tabbed.

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 So we want to make sure that we are ahead and align things appropriately as far as schedule.

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 So that's why we're bringing this forward and we want to move forward.

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 I'll leave it up to the committee to discuss what alternative.

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 If you stripe it in any particular fashion now and then you have a different decision

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 later, is that doable or what's involved?

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 I mean, it's doable, depending on how extensive, but if it's brand-new pavement, you have to

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 We have to come back and reseal it.

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 So it's cost implications and it's doable.

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 I don't have more to ask about that.

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 Thanks, let's hear from folks with blue cards, Kim McKibbin.

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 My name is Kim McKibbin.

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 I own a building and business at 1306 West Hickory.

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 I'm pleased to finally hear Preetem say something is doable.

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 Frequently, what I hear is more of, "We can't do that.

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 That's impossible.

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 It'll take too long."

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 We did receive information from the city this week at the businesses there that at most

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 would be finished at the end of April and they'll start at the beginning of May in tearing

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 up the streets and redoing the sidewalks.

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 A lot of the curbs will have to be done, I would think, because they're deteriorated

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 on that side.

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 So do we have two months to figure this out?

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 Yeah, we do.

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 I do continue to believe that there are solutions to this so that the bicyclists get a bicycle

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 lane and that there is adequate parking or parking found in other places within a thousand

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 foot radius to accommodate the businesses, but it will take work and it will take, "Yes,

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 we can figure this out instead of we can't do this."

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 One of the things that I am concerned about is the bicycle people have been promised a

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 protected bicycle lane all along West Hickory.

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 I drove yesterday in the rain from Bonnie Bray all the way down to where the construction

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 is.

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 At some points the bicycle lane end signs are still up.

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 There is no protected bicycle lane and there is a three foot stripe along the curb for

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 the bicyclists.

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 So we do need to make sure that they're getting what they've petitioned for repeatedly and

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 been quite tenacious about.

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 The other thing is the sidewalk that UNT is saying they don't want to give up any right

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 away is a very wide sidewalk and it is eight to nine feet wide.

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 If the bicycle lane is currently only three to five feet wide on the rest of the parts

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 of Hickory, I still don't understand why that can't be utilized in a raised pavement or

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 raised walk put over part of the sidewalk that is going to have to be replaced when the streets

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 are redone.

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 Atmos did tear up a bunch of stuff.

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 If you'll notice or maybe you hadn't even moved the fire hydrants recently.

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 They moved them from the curbside to the inside.

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 So somewhere in this this has been coming together.

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 I also want to state that I found out that this project was never cleared with the business

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 owners on Hickory Street prior to it starting or when the bicycle plan was being put together.

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 I do have the number of the business owners if you'd like to speak with them at some point.

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 My concern is as these things go forward that the community needs to be more involved.

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 There needs to be conversations with people and not just this is what we're going to do

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 and you can't do anything about it, but how do you see this coming out and working from

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 a functional standpoint.

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 So you know as the city transitions into a more multimodal sort of place, we are going

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 to have to work harder and yes it's going to take time and it may take more staff and

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 it may take more money, but making it functional is what it's all about.

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 Thank you.

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 My name is Susie.

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 I live at 1700 Crescent Street.

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 It's about a mile from the area in question.

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 My new piece of information I have is regarding density.

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 So previously I've sort of shared some information with all of you.

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 Last night at 622 I emailed all of you some additional density calculations I've attempted.

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 But previously I've sent you all some studies of other cities that replaced some parking

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 with a protected bike lane and you know it's not dentin, I understand that.

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 But so I was like okay well what's the density comparisons?

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 cities that were studied and compare them to Oak Gateway.

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 So what I found was according to the Oak Gateway area plan, there are 24,000 residents and

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 I don't know if that includes UNT residents or not, but there are 24,000 residents within

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 it's about 1.8 square miles I used Google to sort of measure it so it's a pretty small

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 area and if I measured from like the Hickory Street businesses to each area at each piece

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 of the perimeter it was about a mile and a half.

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 And of those 24,000 residents almost 80% are younger than 35 so they're pretty young.

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 And so that's a population density of maybe a little over 12,972.

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 Because I don't have a slide I'm going to hold this up so you all can remember that

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 All right so in Seattle where the density is about 18,000 people per square mile they

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 removed 12 parking spots to install a protected bike lane.

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 The sales index in the affected area increased more than surrounding areas.

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 On Bloor Street in Toronto where the density is about 13,920 people per square mile they

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 removed 136 on street spaces to put in a protected bike lane.

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 And the transactional volume so they couldn't do sales tax stuff there but the transactional

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 volume increased about 4.45% compared to about 2.2% in surrounding areas or a very similar

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 area actually that had not removed any parking and did not put in a bike lane.

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 So the one with the bike lane actually increased even though they removed 136 spots.

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 In downtown Salt Lake City where the density is only 1,559 so way less than this right

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 here they converted six blocks of angled parking into parallel spots.

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 So that's you know a net loss of parking but they put in a protective bike lane with some

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 other things to make it look nicer.

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 And in that area the sales tax receipts rose 8.8% with 79% of businesses saying that business

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 was good and 16% of those businesses indicated that business is up or setting records.

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 So much less dense than here and you know things still went up.

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 So other bike friendly places just to compare.

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 Downtown Portland, Portland is a big bike city they have about 6.3% of people bike to

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 work and their density in downtown is about 15,000 per square mile.

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 Davis, California has a commuter population that bikes about 16% and their density is

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 about citywide is about 6,515 and in Boulder, Colorado another very bike friendly city it's

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 just outside of a larger city of Denver.

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 You have a density of about 4,351 people per square mile citywide and they have 9% of people

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 bike to work.

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 So the density is very similar to the studies it kind of falls in line there and so I hope

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 you'll consider that.

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 Thank you.

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 Thanks for all that.

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 I had a question for her.

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 No question.

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 So in all the other areas that you did was there significant other like protected pedestrian

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 infrastructure surrounding it or was it just simple bike lane put in the middle of speeding

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 traffic with no other controls?

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 There was, in one case it was a curb protected bike lane and there were other improvements

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 to make it a more pleasant place to be so I would encourage that in this area, additional

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 things to make it pleasant but yeah in most cases they reduced parking and put in a protected

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 bike lane so if you just do it unprotected you're not going to get, you're going to

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 get people like me who already bike using it but you may not encourage new people to

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 use it.

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 Thank you.

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 Thanks.

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 Garrett Roemoor.

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 Hello, excuse me, I'm Garrett Roemoor I live at 1700 Crescent and yeah to keep it concise

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 I wanted to voice again my support for option two.

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 I think it fits most with the existing bicycle lane design on the road.

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 It's also the most fiscally responsible is where I come to but it's reasonable choice

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 that's been offered and yeah I'd really just like to see a safe way to move through the

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 area if it's through fits with our existing decisions as a city through the bicycle plan

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 and it aligns with all of our, I guess current talking points as far as wanting a multimodal

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 way to move about town and then it also is is also present in our future planning documents

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 with like the 2030 plan so I think it just makes sense to go ahead and finish up and

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 complete the connection for the bike network in this segment so thank you for your time.

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 Thank you.

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 Patrice Lake.

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 Hi, there we go, Patrice Lake, 1109 Egan Street, sorry I was late but I'm here to speak in

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 support of option two and I just want to give you the historical aspect of the bike plan

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 because I was on planning and zoning when a big portion of the bike plan was being vetted

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 so I want to take issue with the you know the charge that there was lack of transparency

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 during the bike plan.

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 First of all, it was a two-year-long process really more than a two-year-long process.

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 I was on there with you.

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 Council member Ryan was on the commission with me when we worked through the bike plan.

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 There was a focus group and again TOMA requires that all those meetings are open to the public

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 that they are posted, that people know that they can come so even if somebody is going

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 to hold your hand and bring you to that meeting, that meeting is open to you to come to give

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 input and to become part of the process.

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 There were two public meetings.

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 Of course meetings are different than hearings so there were two hearings, one at planning

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 and zoning, one at city council.

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 So there was two years worth of time for people to come, give their input and for the plan

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 itself to be moved around, to be amended, to be changed to meet the needs of the city

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 of Denton and that includes bike riders, it includes pedestrians, it includes business

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 owners, it includes the city and the engineers who have to engineer this.

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 So as somebody who lives a four minute bike ride from Hickory street, which is also an

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 11 minute walk, I can testify to the density in this area.

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 As chairperson of the gateway small area plan, I ran the numbers, I've lived in the neighborhood

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 for 20 years and I can tell you that this is an area that with the proper infrastructure

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 is only going to increase non-vehicular traffic and that of course is what we need in this

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 area.

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 More people taking alternative transportation routes, whether it is their feet, whether

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 it is two wheels on a bicycle, whether it's a long board.

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 One of the things we haven't talked about, I don't know if Susie has mentioned it, but

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 air quality, the air quality in the center of Denton can be somewhat deleterious to your

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 health.

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 That's the reason that we require an SUP for drive throughs in the core of Denton so that

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 you don't have idling traffic waiting in your drive throughs.

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 So for instance, Jack in the Box is grandfathered.

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 We can't do anything with the Jack in the Box at the corner of Hickory and Avenue B,

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 but further drive throughs in the area have to go through the SUP process.

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 It's air quality.

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 And if we want to increase those multimodal transportation, want to increase people walking,

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 people biking, decrease the potential for idling cars and the air pollution involved

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 with that, we need to take a look at the quickest option, the cheapest option, and the option

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 that we voted on after a two-year process in 2012.

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 Thank you.

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 Thank you very much.

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 Just thinking protocol-wise, for public hearing, generally, you can -- I don't know who I'm

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 asking.

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 Y'all.

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 Yeah, yeah.

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 So you've got to have a blue card here with a public hearing that say you can have people

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 who don't have blue cards.

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 I just want to know if I should ask if there's anyone else who wants to speak or not.

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 Right.

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 No.

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 This isn't posted as a public hearing, so they would have to have a blue card.

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 I just want to make sure it wasn't needlessly frustrating, anyone who came.

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 So all right.

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 So we're on.

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 Questions for staff and comments and deliberation.

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 Yeah.

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 I've got a couple of questions.

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 What would -- if we went with -- I guess I'm leaning towards option five because losing

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 24 spaces just does not really work real well in that area.

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 If -- when we replace that sidewalk, what's the difference between what's at sidewalk

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 being replaced, you know, because it's deteriorating, and it being used in the future for a bike

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 lane?

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 If we were to negotiate further with UNT, because I feel like, you know, we give up

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 a lot to UNT.

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 They control a lot of the parking in that area, and that's one of the big things to

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 me is these are 24 spaces that they don't have control of that all of our citizens can

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 use, not just students, that you get any further in, and you're starting to get to parking

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 that, you know, you get ticketed and towed and et cetera.

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 So which --

469
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:50,120
 So first portion is the amount of space required for a bike lane is at a minimum six feet.

470
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,480
 We have to consider the buffers on either side and a minimum sidewalk width is five

471
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:55,480
 feet.

472
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,240
 Considering that, we require more than what's there today.

473
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,920
 Yes, we can continue working with UNT and see if we can get a couple feet or four feet

474
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:10,720
 on the other side and have both in the same general area.

475
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,720
 Portions of the sidewalk are bad, not the entire stretch, so it's pretty -- we wouldn't

476
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:20,360
 go back and do anything with the sidewalk on the sections that are not bad.

477
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:26,560
 So that's something that would be -- that would eventually happen, not immediately.

478
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:34,240
 So to answer your question, yes, we can continue working with UNT and see if that's still an

479
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,240
 option to get more width.

480
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,520
 But option five, I think, is just having the sharos.

481
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,720
 Is that what you're saying?

482
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:49,300
 With the alternate calming devices and that type of --

483
00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:54,300
 So go with alternative five as an interim and we'll continue working to get alternative

484
00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:55,300
 option three.

485
00:32:55,300 --> 00:32:57,520
 Is that what you're asking or is that --

486
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:02,760
 I'm asking if that's feasible that, you know, if we just -- we do what repair we need to

487
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,760
 do to the existing sidewalk that would become a bike lane if we're able to negotiate with

488
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,480
 UNT in the future.

489
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:10,480
 Are there differences?

490
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,200
 Because I would think that ADA ramps and the ramp for the bike to be on there should be

491
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,200
 similar.

492
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:21,960
 Yes, they're slightly different but we'll have to separate the ADA component, pedestrian

493
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,080
 component with respect to the bike.

494
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:31,160
 So ideally, when the option three was presented, it was that the bike lane would be slightly

495
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,160
 lower.

496
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:37,180
 There will be a curb between the bike lane and the pedestrian walkway.

497
00:33:37,180 --> 00:33:39,760
 That clearly delineates.

498
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:45,760
 If we don't have that, then there's always a mixing and that's where most of the safety

499
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,440
 concerns lie.

500
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:54,080
 So we can continue exploring that alternative and implement five.

501
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,080
 I mean --

502
00:33:55,080 --> 00:34:00,360
 Yeah, I think our discussion on our last meeting kind of leaned towards working with UNT to

503
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,360
 do a curving sidewalk to mingle through the trees so we wouldn't have to take any out.

504
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,440
 If you put it directly next to it, there are a number of trees that would have to come

505
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:08,440
 out.

506
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:09,440
 Correct.

507
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,040
 So we're able to do minimal damage by weaving through there.

508
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,720
 Yes, and we did talk to them about that and they're not -- at this point, at least they're

509
00:34:17,720 --> 00:34:18,720
 not interested.

510
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:22,040
 Would you mind expanding on what their comments were?

511
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:28,880
 Just straight up folded arms, no conversation or was there a reason or why don't they care

512
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:29,880
 about it?

513
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,920
 I can read it to you because there was an email.

514
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,200
 Before you answer it, let me -- I think Councilmember Briggs wants to add here.

515
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,360
 And just what the ask was, like I just want to know what the ask was.

516
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,360
 As well.

517
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:41,360
 Yeah, how was it presented?

518
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:42,360
 Yeah.

519
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:43,360
 Yeah, what did we say?

520
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,360
 What did they say?

521
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:45,360
 Yeah.

522
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,640
 So I'll have more talk about what did we say, but I can tell you there's an email I can

523
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:49,640
 read.

524
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:55,400
 There was a response from Dave to Mark saying, "I checked, sorry, but no interest in UNT giving

525
00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:00,880
 up more property for bike lanes or new sidewalks on Hickory Street."

526
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,600
 That was one sentence response.

527
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:03,600
 Okay.

528
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:10,640
 That was in response to what question?

529
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:11,640
 Good morning.

530
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,480
 Mark Oliphant, Bicycle and Pedestrian Coordinator.

531
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,400
 So I met with UNT staff last week, last Monday.

532
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:23,320
 I briefed them on the comments that we got from the Mobility Committee in your direction

533
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,360
 to pursue option three.

534
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,600
 So I showed them option three and what it entailed.

535
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:35,680
 And it was a question of what does UNT think about this.

536
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:42,600
 It was not couched as we really want to see this happen, come back with a counteroffer

537
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:43,600
 or something like that.

538
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:49,880
 It was just take this up your chain and see what it looks like to UNT, to the facility

539
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,360
 staff.

540
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:57,040
 Does that answer your question?

541
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,720
 Thank you.

542
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:13,760
 Can we go back and look at the Google map of Avenue A?

543
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:22,600
 I just want to point out that it looks to me like individual cars all along the west

544
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,200
 side there.

545
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,000
 I know it's marked for a loading zone, I'm just commenting, that's what I see.

546
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:35,280
 And Councilmember Briggs and I both had the opportunity to meet with a group of five street

547
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:42,480
 businesses last week who clearly acknowledged that there are tradeoffs no matter what direction

548
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:43,480
 you go here.

549
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,480
 There's just sort of not enough pieces of pie to slice up.

550
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:52,840
 But I heard a lot of openness to the idea of the diagonal parking there, even acknowledging

551
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:58,080
 that it presents an obstacle to it being a loading zone.

552
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:03,640
 But I don't know if there's any actual foundation, to be perfectly frank, for the implication

553
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,960
 that it is actually heavily used as a loading zone.

554
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:11,680
 I don't think I've ever seen cars not parked there, but I'm not there all the time.

555
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,720
 You may have some more information on that.

556
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:19,880
 Yeah, we can definitely go back and check if they're strictly using it for a loading

557
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,920
 zone.

558
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,400
 Most of the cars they see parked are delivery cars, they're marked.

559
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,040
 And UNT does enforce some of these options if they're not marked.

560
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,080
 Oh, good to know UNT does some enforcement.

561
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,600
 I have some other things I could suggest we bring up with them regarding that.

562
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,760
 That's what we were told, that UNT does do the enforcement.

563
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,520
 Okay, all right, that's helpful to know.

564
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,560
 Councilmember Briggs, do you have some other comments?

565
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,760
 Yeah, I just have a few comments and some questions.

566
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:55,480
 Because it has been a long process and I have been on the mobility committee since the initial

567
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:56,480
 recommendation.

568
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:02,200
 And I was on this committee that made the initial recommendation, which was, I think,

569
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,280
 option two for the bike.

570
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:09,000
 But when that was presented to us, we didn't get the full story.

571
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:16,720
 And by the time it got to council with the businesses and the parking, it clearly hadn't

572
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:19,040
 been vetted at the time.

573
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:26,960
 And so that's when I said, okay, well, let's, I was in agreement to make it go to Oak Gateway.

574
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:32,280
 And with the understanding that there was going to be a complete discussion on parking,

575
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:43,160
 on traffic, on businesses, on, and that a workable solution would come out of that committee.

576
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:50,240
 And I'm not 100% confident that that happened.

577
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:53,760
 I'm not really for Cheros or the calm street.

578
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,920
 I am for the calm street with other options.

579
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,760
 But I don't think that alone in itself is enough.

580
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,160
 So that is a bit of my history.

581
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:11,400
 I'm still not comfortable with option two so much, but I do want to know about these

582
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:18,480
 things on the parking that is there left if option two is chosen.

583
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:24,340
 Can we make that fry street business only parking towing enforced?

584
00:39:24,340 --> 00:39:29,000
 Can we do the intersection of Carroll and Hickory?

585
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:35,020
 Because I have very big concerns of funneling a straight bicycle path all the way down to

586
00:39:35,020 --> 00:39:36,680
 that intersection.

587
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,480
 And there is some really big dangerous.

588
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:46,280
 It's a dangerous intersection to be funneling pedestrians and cyclists into without any

589
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,280
 upgrade.

590
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:52,920
 So I will not consider that unless there's other options we can do there to straighten

591
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,120
 out that situation.

592
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,720
 Let's see.

593
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:07,880
 Can we, as we are doing fry and Oak, I mean, and Hickory intersection, can we go underground

594
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:15,600
 with the utilities to clean up that area just in that one or two blocks so that visibility

595
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:23,520
 is more prevalent for the pedestrians and cyclists and it would make a larger impact

596
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:24,520
 there.

597
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:25,520
 Next.

598
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:26,520
 Let's see.

599
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:36,360
 You're taking notes because I imagine you're going to want to answer some of these questions.

600
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:42,080
 I just want to say personally, I'm a little bit surprised that the biking community has

601
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:50,600
 been pushing for option two, which is for me an unprotected bike lane.

602
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:56,520
 Since I've been in office, I've been asked to implement protected bike lanes that just

603
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,360
 simply throwing paint down on the street isn't enough.

604
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:08,480
 And so I'm just a little confused by the advocating for an option, which I've been told since

605
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,600
 I've been in office, isn't enough in and of itself.

606
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:18,440
 So if I'm missing something, I welcome the conversation there.

607
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:24,100
 And I thought that with our option with UNT, it would be a little bit more protected.

608
00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:35,000
 It would have the curb difference, so did you have a, yeah.

609
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:41,440
 Mark Ollifan again, if I may, I'm going to pull up the, oh yeah, there we go, okay, there

610
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,440
 we are.

611
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:47,520
 So if we look under option two, it's a little bit washed out here, can I make it bigger

612
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:48,520
 than that?

613
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:49,520
 Let's see.

614
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:50,520
 Okay.

615
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:51,520
 That's option one.

616
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:52,520
 Oops, sorry.

617
00:41:52,520 --> 00:42:00,680
 Current configuration is your top right there, or I'm sorry, no, this, yeah, this is, are

618
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:01,680
 we still on one?

619
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,680
 Sorry, we're not still on one, excuse me.

620
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:06,680
 Here we go.

621
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:07,680
 Option two.

622
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,280
 Current configuration, existing condition is in our top right here.

623
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,400
 On the bottom is what is being proposed.

624
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:19,340
 So it is a buffered bike lane and maybe a lightly protected bike lane.

625
00:42:19,340 --> 00:42:25,020
 So we do have between two and three and a half feet painted between moving vehicles

626
00:42:25,020 --> 00:42:32,640
 and the bicycles, and we also do have these plastic reflective bollards or delineators

627
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:37,080
 as proposed as part of the plan.

628
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,240
 So there's not a physical barrier that would stop a car, but there are some elements of

629
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:42,240
 protection there.

630
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:50,180
 Well, let me, okay, I appreciate that because the little plastic things are something, but

631
00:42:50,180 --> 00:42:58,180
 it's not protected as the things that I've been requested to start doing for more protection.

632
00:42:58,180 --> 00:43:01,120
 And so I just wanted to put that out there.

633
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:09,340
 I was on, I went to Fry Street to this area three times and there are cars parked on the

634
00:43:09,340 --> 00:43:16,820
 left side, there are, and in the first lane of traffic, large vehicle trucks, large trucks

635
00:43:16,820 --> 00:43:22,660
 just stopped so that then it pushes cars over from one lane to the next.

636
00:43:22,660 --> 00:43:28,540
 And then the cars in the last lane are pushed over closer so that if parked cars aren't

637
00:43:28,540 --> 00:43:29,540
 there.

638
00:43:29,540 --> 00:43:30,540
 Excuse me.

639
00:43:30,540 --> 00:43:31,540
 I'm just trying to follow.

640
00:43:31,540 --> 00:43:32,540
 I'm not sure if you're talking about Avenue A or Hickory.

641
00:43:32,540 --> 00:43:33,540
 Hickory.

642
00:43:33,540 --> 00:43:34,540
 Hickory.

643
00:43:34,540 --> 00:43:35,540
 Hickory.

644
00:43:35,540 --> 00:43:37,100
 I'm talking about the section of where we're talking about.

645
00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:38,860
 So right here.

646
00:43:38,860 --> 00:43:43,980
 So if cars are parked here on this side, which we're planning on keeping, and of course,

647
00:43:43,980 --> 00:43:45,980
 we need to do that and enforce that.

648
00:43:45,980 --> 00:43:50,840
 So then trucks and buses are stopped there.

649
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:57,300
 Then cars are going around over here and moving into where the bike lane is supposed to be.

650
00:43:57,300 --> 00:44:02,300
 So if we do option two, we're going to have to have something better than little plastic

651
00:44:02,300 --> 00:44:03,700
 sticks.

652
00:44:03,700 --> 00:44:09,300
 That's just my opinion, and I'm not going to feel comfortable unless there's more separation

653
00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:10,900
 there.

654
00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:16,500
 Because if we are increasing the bicycle traffic, we are increasing the pedestrian there, as

655
00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:21,620
 we've been told through studies, then we have to do something more to protect the individuals

656
00:44:21,620 --> 00:44:23,940
 that are taking that route.

657
00:44:23,940 --> 00:44:26,620
 That's where I'm coming from.

658
00:44:26,620 --> 00:44:30,500
 So are there some of those that you'd like to hear a response on now?

659
00:44:30,500 --> 00:44:34,500
 I guess I'll take them as you will.

660
00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:39,940
 So on the protected part, I just want to add that there are options of adding a bolt-down

661
00:44:39,940 --> 00:44:46,020
 curb as part of these delineators, in between delineators.

662
00:44:46,020 --> 00:44:52,940
 If we add certain segments of bolt-down curves, of course, there has to be some gap between

663
00:44:52,940 --> 00:44:58,980
 these bolt-down curves to allow for drainage, but other than that, that would be a six-inch

664
00:44:58,980 --> 00:45:03,980
 curb between the actual travel lane and the bicycle.

665
00:45:03,980 --> 00:45:07,580
 If we have to go that route, that would create a protected bike lane.

666
00:45:07,580 --> 00:45:09,260
 Oh, yeah.

667
00:45:09,260 --> 00:45:10,260
 Okay.

668
00:45:10,260 --> 00:45:13,240
 Feel free to interact.

669
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:15,940
 So the question was cost, if we did that.

670
00:45:15,940 --> 00:45:20,740
 I think the bolt-down curves are fairly cheap.

671
00:45:20,740 --> 00:45:28,780
 I don't have the cost on top of my head, but it is a couple hundred bucks for a short

672
00:45:28,780 --> 00:45:30,700
 section, but I can give you cost implications.

673
00:45:30,700 --> 00:45:32,140
 It is not that expensive.

674
00:45:32,140 --> 00:45:38,500
 So for the full segment, it's in the single digits of thousandths on the high side, not

675
00:45:38,500 --> 00:45:40,500
 outside that range, most likely?

676
00:45:40,500 --> 00:45:41,500
 I'll have to get back.

677
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:46,020
 I'm just doing simple in-my-head math of a couple hundred and it's a thousand feet.

678
00:45:46,020 --> 00:45:52,580
 Well, let us do the analysis and the cost, and I would assume that these are manufactured

679
00:45:52,580 --> 00:45:56,260
 offside and then brought onside and then bolted into the ground.

680
00:45:56,260 --> 00:46:02,580
 So it's something that could be done with the lead time and then installed pretty quickly,

681
00:46:02,580 --> 00:46:04,860
 so minimal construction.

682
00:46:04,860 --> 00:46:08,500
 Minimal change in existing configuration.

683
00:46:08,500 --> 00:46:11,460
 So I'll weigh in a little bit here.

684
00:46:11,460 --> 00:46:18,020
 I'm inclined to think that there's a way to do some version of two, and I'm very intrigued

685
00:46:18,020 --> 00:46:26,660
 by this whole idea of the bolt-on curbs, in combination with picking up spaces on Avenue

686
00:46:26,660 --> 00:46:31,180
 A, acknowledging that it's got a lot of arms and legs to think through.

687
00:46:31,180 --> 00:46:35,820
 I personally think it's worth a couple of months to see if we can kind of holistically

688
00:46:35,820 --> 00:46:42,820
 address -- I hear a lot of times from one constituency or from another who say there's

689
00:46:42,820 --> 00:46:48,860
 no problem if you only meet my needs, but what you're hearing, I think, pretty consistently

690
00:46:48,860 --> 00:46:57,020
 is that this committee is trying to find a way to meet the needs for -- legitimately

691
00:46:57,020 --> 00:47:03,780
 felt needs for parking and for a straight and safe bike path, and I'm not convinced

692
00:47:03,780 --> 00:47:09,620
 yet that we can't do that and we have to totally do one at the expense of the other.

693
00:47:09,620 --> 00:47:13,340
 Where was I going on that?

694
00:47:13,340 --> 00:47:17,980
 So the question is, what do you do now, right, because you've got to stripe it?

695
00:47:17,980 --> 00:47:31,100
 And is there a path to do some amount of the striping, for instance, the center, and, you

696
00:47:31,100 --> 00:47:36,700
 know, without affecting -- with basically leaving it blank on the south side until you

697
00:47:36,700 --> 00:47:38,460
 know if you can in fact go forward?

698
00:47:38,460 --> 00:47:46,340
 One of the issues with that, and we have several issues, we did oak recently, and if you leave

699
00:47:46,340 --> 00:47:53,620
 that segment unmarked or actually define the lines to park between, vehicles are parked

700
00:47:53,620 --> 00:47:55,060
 all the way around the corner.

701
00:47:55,060 --> 00:47:59,940
 So if we leave it unmarked, it may create more of a safety hazard.

702
00:47:59,940 --> 00:48:06,860
 The vehicles will be parked much closer to the intersections and may create more issues.

703
00:48:06,860 --> 00:48:10,260
 So we need to really delineate the space for parking.

704
00:48:10,260 --> 00:48:17,140
 Is there, you know, I guess I'd ask, what's the minimum amount of marking that you need

705
00:48:17,140 --> 00:48:22,900
 to accomplish the safety element of it, and is that anything less than the whole amount

706
00:48:22,900 --> 00:48:29,340
 that would require the grinding and, you know, sealing and that whole elaborate process if

707
00:48:29,340 --> 00:48:35,020
 we determine that we can in fact execute, you know, what I've described on Avenue A?

708
00:48:35,020 --> 00:48:36,900
 So minimum amount of parking the way --

709
00:48:36,900 --> 00:48:38,780
 Minimum amount of parking marking.

710
00:48:38,780 --> 00:48:39,780
 Markings.

711
00:48:39,780 --> 00:48:46,940
 We have done something called a T, where you can see between parking spaces it's just marked

712
00:48:46,940 --> 00:48:50,340
 as a T. So it clearly defines different spaces.

713
00:48:50,340 --> 00:48:55,160
 At the corners it's an elbow corner, and then that area is only for parking.

714
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,220
 So we can do minimal parking.

715
00:48:57,220 --> 00:49:01,460
 Something like what you have on West Oak Street on the south side there?

716
00:49:01,460 --> 00:49:07,580
 Yeah, on the West Oak it's a continuous line for the edge, but this one will not be a continuous

717
00:49:07,580 --> 00:49:08,580
 line.

718
00:49:08,580 --> 00:49:10,620
 It will be T in between parking spaces.

719
00:49:10,620 --> 00:49:13,180
 Just to conclude the fun.

720
00:49:13,180 --> 00:49:18,100
 And does that offer any benefits if you were to later come back and implement option two?

721
00:49:18,100 --> 00:49:23,540
 No, we'll need parking, and then we can come back and take the parking out and put an option

722
00:49:23,540 --> 00:49:24,540
 two.

723
00:49:24,540 --> 00:49:25,540
 Yeah, I mean, but is that better than --

724
00:49:25,540 --> 00:49:27,500
 That's better than putting the whole configuration.

725
00:49:27,500 --> 00:49:28,500
 Okay.

726
00:49:28,500 --> 00:49:34,220
 I'm just looking at this picture.

727
00:49:34,220 --> 00:49:40,500
 Where are the bikes supposed to be on this street after you cross Carroll?

728
00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:41,700
 Is it Charoes at that point?

729
00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:43,900
 No, I think there is a bike lane that goes in.

730
00:49:43,900 --> 00:49:48,700
 Let me go back to Carroll.

731
00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:55,060
 Taking hands it down, the actual lane.

732
00:49:55,060 --> 00:49:56,060
 Yeah.

733
00:49:56,060 --> 00:50:01,180
 There's a big lane right there after Carroll, and then there is a lane all the way to Elm,

734
00:50:01,180 --> 00:50:02,180
 to the square.

735
00:50:02,180 --> 00:50:06,540
 Cedar, actually.

736
00:50:06,540 --> 00:50:08,820
 And then it just into the traffic?

737
00:50:08,820 --> 00:50:11,740
 That becomes the Charoes, yes.

738
00:50:11,740 --> 00:50:16,940
 Just can you, while you have this, can you go to the Carroll and Hickory intersection

739
00:50:16,940 --> 00:50:18,380
 so you can address that?

740
00:50:18,380 --> 00:50:22,300
 I was there just the other day and I saw a car parked in the bike lane waiting for the

741
00:50:22,300 --> 00:50:24,300
 light to turn.

742
00:50:24,300 --> 00:50:31,300
 Yeah, as part of the new striping plan that will be done, we are planning on actually

743
00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:32,700
 making this much more better.

744
00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:40,140
 We are putting in buffer so that it delineates the bike area, meaning a two-foot buffer on

745
00:50:40,140 --> 00:50:45,420
 either side and having a six-foot bike lane, because currently you have a eight to nine

746
00:50:45,420 --> 00:50:51,760
 feet wide bike lane that's green and it almost looks like a car lane.

747
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:58,820
 So we'll make it more, we're delineated better to define it as a bike lane as it veers off

748
00:50:58,820 --> 00:51:01,980
 from the edge here and comes into this area.

749
00:51:01,980 --> 00:51:04,300
 So yeah, we have a different striping plan.

750
00:51:04,300 --> 00:51:09,700
 Obviously, we know this did not work and we had to put in green paint and we're still

751
00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:14,380
 struggling for people to understand that that's not, it's faded over the years, but having

752
00:51:14,380 --> 00:51:19,380
 the buffer on either side will allow them to clearly see and then have the bike stamps

753
00:51:19,380 --> 00:51:21,380
 on it.

754
00:51:21,380 --> 00:51:29,580
 Yeah, have we looked, because you've talked about closing off Avenue A, have we looked

755
00:51:29,580 --> 00:51:32,680
 at just making it a one-way heading south?

756
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:37,020
 So there are three options that we're looking at.

757
00:51:37,020 --> 00:51:44,640
 Closing is obviously one option, not the best option because that, you know, prevents access.

758
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,940
 There's no flow of traffic for these businesses, not the best option.

759
00:51:48,940 --> 00:51:54,060
 There's very little traffic going southbound on Avenue A. I know there are DCTA buses and

760
00:51:54,060 --> 00:51:59,380
 route that goes in through here with a bus stop here, but other than that, there is very

761
00:51:59,380 --> 00:52:04,180
 few people that go through or make this right in this area.

762
00:52:04,180 --> 00:52:08,940
 So the best alternative, this is really at the planning level.

763
00:52:08,940 --> 00:52:16,300
 We haven't dived deep into this, is to make it one way on the northbound side.

764
00:52:16,300 --> 00:52:21,420
 So this whole segment, actually only this segment and then Mulberry can still remain

765
00:52:21,420 --> 00:52:29,020
 two-way, but this segment will be one-way and we can make modifications here.

766
00:52:29,020 --> 00:52:33,820
 It'll be angled parking, it'll match this angle parking, so that's where we're leaning

767
00:52:33,820 --> 00:52:34,820
 at this point.

768
00:52:34,820 --> 00:52:35,820
 We don't know.

769
00:52:35,820 --> 00:52:36,820
 We haven't gotten to the deep end.

770
00:52:36,820 --> 00:52:37,820
 I think we've got to resolve that.

771
00:52:37,820 --> 00:52:42,700
 Well, and I ask that because we talked about last week that Sycamore is going to have a

772
00:52:42,700 --> 00:52:48,580
 pedestrian bike path all the way down to the train station, and so if you did the one way,

773
00:52:48,580 --> 00:52:57,060
 the other way, you could easily add a fair-sized bike lane that can get you over to Welch and

774
00:52:57,060 --> 00:53:02,860
 we can figure out what to do between Welch and Sycamore to attach that, and that gives

775
00:53:02,860 --> 00:53:09,120
 an alternative to only using Hickory to get to the downtown on the bike path that would

776
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,980
 help alleviate how much bike traffic you've got going through that busy intersection at

777
00:53:13,980 --> 00:53:14,980
 Carroll and Hickory.

778
00:53:14,980 --> 00:53:23,300
 Sycamore and Hickory is still a signal intersection, but it's not as vehicle heavy.

779
00:53:23,300 --> 00:53:28,180
 So at Welch, part of the Sycamore project, we're putting in a road diet which will have

780
00:53:28,180 --> 00:53:33,380
 bike lanes, so on either side of Welch, we'll have bike lanes that will connect to Sycamore

781
00:53:33,380 --> 00:53:34,420
 and then connect Hickory.

782
00:53:34,420 --> 00:53:39,240
 So that would be much more safer than going through here because there's a lot of solid

783
00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:45,460
 waste and other issues at this corner that I've heard over years, and it'll be a better

784
00:53:45,460 --> 00:53:47,780
 route just for bikers to be on Welch.

785
00:53:47,780 --> 00:53:50,780
 Councilmember Brooks?

786
00:53:50,780 --> 00:53:59,700
 I did hear from a business or some businesses on if we did close off Avenue A or not allow

787
00:53:59,700 --> 00:54:06,800
 a right turn because what I am under the impression is that that allows to keep traffic moving

788
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:11,700
 a little bit more as a cut through rather than waiting, and there is a potential for

789
00:54:11,700 --> 00:54:16,900
 the traffic at Welch and Hickory, I think, to get pretty backed up.

790
00:54:16,900 --> 00:54:22,740
 So if there's not an option for that traffic to flow, it could be pretty consistently blocked.

791
00:54:22,740 --> 00:54:26,540
 No, that's why I said we're at the planning level.

792
00:54:26,540 --> 00:54:32,380
 We don't know the details, we'll have the analysis, we'll look at what the volumes are,

793
00:54:32,380 --> 00:54:36,100
 how the signals are functioning, do we need to change the function of the signal if we

794
00:54:36,100 --> 00:54:37,100
 reroute traffic.

795
00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:41,980
 So that's why, I mean, it's going to be a while before we can actually say yes, it works

796
00:54:41,980 --> 00:54:46,700
 or yes, it doesn't work, and there are three different options, closure and then one way

797
00:54:46,700 --> 00:54:53,620
 in each direction, so we have to vet all of them to come up with the right option.

798
00:54:53,620 --> 00:55:00,660
 Are we ready to give direction, you know, yeah, are we ready to give directions, review?

799
00:55:00,660 --> 00:55:04,980
 Since it hasn't shown up on the screen, can you bring up option five real quick just so

800
00:55:04,980 --> 00:55:07,980
 we can lay eyes on it one more time?

801
00:55:23,620 --> 00:55:49,140
 And I'll share, yeah, that I'm just not, I'm just not persuaded that Charo is really

802
00:55:49,140 --> 00:55:50,780
 doing anything for cyclists.

803
00:55:50,780 --> 00:55:57,700
 And I understand that, but I mean, we've got an issue of not enough land to keep the parking

804
00:55:57,700 --> 00:56:05,460
 and the parking at UNT, and this is a 20 mile an hour, I would definitely recommend we change,

805
00:56:05,460 --> 00:56:09,780
 we readjust it so you go past Welch before we go back up to 30, because I think right

806
00:56:09,780 --> 00:56:18,140
 now it goes up to 30 at Avenue 8, right before Welch, yes, you know, but in our downtown

807
00:56:18,140 --> 00:56:23,620
 we do the same thing, we have lack of right-of-way available to us and have to use Charo's through

808
00:56:23,620 --> 00:56:26,420
 the downtown area, which is not a good thing.

809
00:56:26,420 --> 00:56:33,940
 Again, I'm looking at option five with continuing negotiations with UNT to add a walking path

810
00:56:33,940 --> 00:56:39,360
 and then convert the existing sidewalk into a pipeline.

811
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:45,820
 Any thoughts on the Avenue 8 aspect of it?

812
00:56:45,820 --> 00:56:49,860
 Continue to steady it is what I would say, because we, without the data of how many vehicles

813
00:56:49,860 --> 00:56:58,100
 go each way, more conversations with the businesses, you know, I'm open to, I would say closing

814
00:56:58,100 --> 00:57:01,100
 it is probably not a good option at all.

815
00:57:01,100 --> 00:57:08,700
 Do you have any, are you ready to give direction?

816
00:57:08,700 --> 00:57:13,060
 I think we should do option five, but not with Charo's, I think that is just a really great

817
00:57:13,060 --> 00:57:23,460
 upgrade to have with all the pedestrian walkability that we need down there with the students.

818
00:57:23,460 --> 00:57:31,220
 For anyone who hasn't, I recommend you just go down and sit in this area for a bit amount

819
00:57:31,220 --> 00:57:36,020
 of time and see what all we need.

820
00:57:36,020 --> 00:57:45,180
 I would be comfortable with option two if you could find me 20 spaces for cars, because

821
00:57:45,180 --> 00:57:48,060
 I did meet with more than one business down there.

822
00:57:48,060 --> 00:57:53,700
 There's six or several, there's several that maybe in the daytime aren't as concerned,

823
00:57:53,700 --> 00:58:02,620
 but at nighttime, which we haven't talked about, depend on that parking for their establishments.

824
00:58:02,620 --> 00:58:09,380
 There is a safety issue at nighttime where people don't feel comfortable so much walking

825
00:58:09,380 --> 00:58:16,260
 around in the area and a car is a better way to get to that area and get out if they're

826
00:58:16,260 --> 00:58:18,420
 not feeling safe.

827
00:58:18,420 --> 00:58:23,260
 So I still am not 100% comfortable.

828
00:58:23,260 --> 00:58:29,300
 I understand where we're going and the need for the protected bike lane and I am in favor

829
00:58:29,300 --> 00:58:32,900
 no matter what of a protected lane somehow.

830
00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:41,500
 It has to be divided with this intersection and I'm not so concerned about cost and I

831
00:58:41,500 --> 00:58:45,700
 know that people keep saying go with a cheaper option, go with a cheaper option.

832
00:58:45,700 --> 00:58:47,980
 That's not what we're here to do.

833
00:58:47,980 --> 00:58:55,040
 We're here to make sure that safety is priority and that the businesses down here don't suffer

834
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,060
 because of a decision that we've made.

835
00:58:57,060 --> 00:59:02,380
 >> So you're very clear that we want all the options at the same time.

836
00:59:02,380 --> 00:59:07,180
 But, you know, there's, I mean, I'm joking obviously, but kind of not, right, what I'm

837
00:59:07,180 --> 00:59:14,540
 hearing is, and I share, you know, the enhancements for pedestrian use, you know, very consistent

838
00:59:14,540 --> 00:59:21,220
 with Gateway 2, you know, just generally enhancing the usability of this part of town, right,

839
00:59:21,220 --> 00:59:23,500
 in a multimodal way.

840
00:59:23,500 --> 00:59:30,580
 So we're liking the pedestrian part of 5 and I'm hearing, you know, support for seeing

841
00:59:30,580 --> 00:59:38,780
 how far we can get and finding spaces in Avenue A while protecting the path.

842
00:59:38,780 --> 00:59:44,780
 Seeing if we can still get option or the first option we looked for, you know, because I'm

843
00:59:44,780 --> 00:59:52,060
 hearing some doubt whether UNT fully got it about the meandering path.

844
00:59:52,060 --> 00:59:57,540
 You know, so doesn't hurt to take one more bite.

845
00:59:57,540 --> 01:00:01,940
 I'm willing to go with you, too, if you want, if you get an in-person meeting.

846
01:00:01,940 --> 01:00:04,500
 And I'm sure others here would, too.

847
01:00:04,500 --> 01:00:08,420
 Just to see if we can come to a meeting of the minds and at least I could equally convey

848
01:00:08,420 --> 01:00:12,140
 back, you know, know their arms were folded, their legs were crossed and they were holding

849
01:00:12,140 --> 01:00:17,580
 their breath and going, you know, but so, you know, see if there is some room there.

850
01:00:17,580 --> 01:00:31,540
 But I think we want to protect for the probable outcome of two with protection with spaces

851
01:00:31,540 --> 01:00:33,540
 found somewhere.

852
01:00:33,540 --> 01:00:34,540
 Is that enough to go on?

853
01:00:34,540 --> 01:00:41,060
 I realize it's not utterly conclusive, but there's stuff to explore, you know, that's

854
01:00:41,060 --> 01:00:42,060
 important to explore.

855
01:00:42,060 --> 01:00:46,940
 We don't want to, you know, make a kind of decision that will stick around, you know,

856
01:00:46,940 --> 01:00:52,820
 for five years that might be really deleterious to someone, you know.

857
01:00:52,820 --> 01:01:00,740
 So I mean, unless you all are telling me something different, I'm expecting that they'll strike

858
01:01:00,740 --> 01:01:07,180
 with the corners, marking the spots, they'll continue to investigate the options on Avenue

859
01:01:07,180 --> 01:01:11,060
 A and talk to the university on three.

860
01:01:11,060 --> 01:01:16,740
 And I think you're actually hearing move forward if you want something to hang your hat on,

861
01:01:16,740 --> 01:01:19,620
 move forward on the pedestrian enhancements.

862
01:01:19,620 --> 01:01:24,260
 Is that enough to go forward on?

863
01:01:24,260 --> 01:01:26,500
 Or what else do you need from us?

864
01:01:26,500 --> 01:01:27,940
 So let me clarify.

865
01:01:27,940 --> 01:01:34,340
 So we move forward with putting the way things are right now, the way they are strapping

866
01:01:34,340 --> 01:01:38,860
 back to the spaces and then continue finding spaces.

867
01:01:38,860 --> 01:01:43,340
 Least possible striping to do that with the expectation that you might be grinding those

868
01:01:43,340 --> 01:01:44,340
 bits off.

869
01:01:44,340 --> 01:01:45,340
 Correct.

870
01:01:45,340 --> 01:01:49,540
 And then move forward with the striping that we currently have with the parking in place

871
01:01:49,540 --> 01:01:51,980
 the way it is.

872
01:01:51,980 --> 01:01:55,780
 You have to say the part that I like, too.

873
01:01:55,780 --> 01:02:02,060
 And then move forward with finding more spaces, either on Avenue A or somewhere else.

874
01:02:02,060 --> 01:02:06,140
 Work with UNT to see if we can move forward with alternative three.

875
01:02:06,140 --> 01:02:08,180
 So that's the direction I'm getting.

876
01:02:08,180 --> 01:02:13,380
 Plus you're hearing solid support for the pedestrian aspects of five.

877
01:02:13,380 --> 01:02:14,380
 Correct.

878
01:02:14,380 --> 01:02:15,380
 Okay.

879
01:02:15,380 --> 01:02:16,380
 Right.

880
01:02:16,380 --> 01:02:17,380
 There's no obstacle.

881
01:02:17,380 --> 01:02:18,380
 No.

882
01:02:18,380 --> 01:02:19,380
 Councilmember Briggs.

883
01:02:19,380 --> 01:02:24,380
 Well, if we're doing striping, I would prefer to put the parking in on the side near the

884
01:02:24,380 --> 01:02:31,540
 businesses and then not do any other striping on that side near UNT.

885
01:02:31,540 --> 01:02:37,420
 That would be my preference so that we get the parking on the one side and then we get

886
01:02:37,420 --> 01:02:42,220
 the lane separation and then we can figure out on that side because that's where all

887
01:02:42,220 --> 01:02:43,700
 the improvements are going to be.

888
01:02:43,700 --> 01:02:45,060
 That would be my preference.

889
01:02:45,060 --> 01:02:49,660
 If I can just interject, I don't mean to be unclear.

890
01:02:49,660 --> 01:02:53,660
 I don't think there's any question about the north side.

891
01:02:53,660 --> 01:03:00,100
 The corner treatment is on the south side as a sort of minimum marking for safety reasons,

892
01:03:00,100 --> 01:03:03,620
 you know, rather than just leave it totally unmarked.

893
01:03:03,620 --> 01:03:04,620
 Okay.

894
01:03:04,620 --> 01:03:05,620
 Are you okay with that?

895
01:03:05,620 --> 01:03:06,620
 Mm-hmm.

896
01:03:06,620 --> 01:03:07,620
 Yeah.

897
01:03:07,620 --> 01:03:08,620
 Good enough?

898
01:03:08,620 --> 01:03:09,620
 Okay.

899
01:03:09,620 --> 01:03:10,620
 All of you.

900
01:03:10,620 --> 01:03:13,620
 We're going to move forward.

901
01:03:13,620 --> 01:03:18,820
 I think there's a possibility, just looking at the time, and, you know, I think there's

902
01:03:18,820 --> 01:03:25,760
 going to be a good amount of discussion on item D, that we may not get to item E. And

903
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:31,020
 I'm open to, you know, I've expressed in the past, I'm open to meeting as frequently

904
01:03:31,020 --> 01:03:36,740
 as we need to to do the work of the committee and, you know, my other, you know, my colleagues

905
01:03:36,740 --> 01:03:40,780
 have been very flexible in that regard as well, so I'll leave it to you all, if you

906
01:03:40,780 --> 01:03:45,400
 don't get, if you don't have enough time for it, if you want to meet sooner or if it's,

907
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,820
 or if we can just, you know, wait until the next interval.

908
01:03:47,820 --> 01:03:50,820
 But, you know, I'm happy to accommodate.

909
01:03:50,820 --> 01:03:53,540
 So let's see how we go.

910
01:03:53,540 --> 01:03:58,580
 And I think we have the flexibility for about 10 more minutes or 15, and if John can wrap

911
01:03:58,580 --> 01:03:59,580
 it up in 10.

912
01:03:59,580 --> 01:04:03,340
 Or we can, we have the report in the back, if there are any questions, we can answer

913
01:04:03,340 --> 01:04:04,340
 those.

914
01:04:04,340 --> 01:04:05,340
 All right.

915
01:04:05,340 --> 01:04:09,780
 So press ahead and check in again after item D. So, all right, so that's going to conclude

916
01:04:09,780 --> 01:04:15,300
 item C. Thank you, members of the public, for helping us work through this.

917
01:04:15,300 --> 01:04:17,640
 So let's move on to item D. We'll have a presentation.

918
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:24,420
 We have some blue cards, and then we can deliberate on that.

919
01:04:24,420 --> 01:04:30,460
 All right, let me see.

920
01:04:30,460 --> 01:04:31,460
 So.

921
01:04:31,460 --> 01:04:32,460
 Oh, wait.

922
01:04:32,460 --> 01:04:33,460
 I'm sorry.

923
01:04:33,460 --> 01:04:34,460
 I do have one question.

924
01:04:34,460 --> 01:04:38,420
 Open item C. Just ask item C, just ask this question.

925
01:04:38,420 --> 01:04:39,420
 Sorry.

926
01:04:39,420 --> 01:04:42,420
 Now that I have lost it.

927
01:04:42,420 --> 01:04:45,420
 He found out we might have an extra 10 minutes.

928
01:04:45,420 --> 01:04:46,420
 Yeah, yeah.

929
01:04:46,420 --> 01:04:47,420
 No, just, well, my question, you don't have to answer it now.

930
01:04:47,420 --> 01:04:53,700
 It's like, in the interest of time, it's just I question the sequence of meetings, of going

931
01:04:53,700 --> 01:04:58,020
 to traffic safety after getting guidance from mobility committee, it would make a whole

932
01:04:58,020 --> 01:05:03,740
 lot more sense to me, since that's an advisory body, to go to traffic safety and bring us

933
01:05:03,740 --> 01:05:08,740
 that guidance as input, rather than, if you don't like what dad says, go ask mom.

934
01:05:08,740 --> 01:05:14,140
 No, and that's not how that, I just want to just make a statement about that.

935
01:05:14,140 --> 01:05:18,060
 The reason why this information was brought to you all at the last meeting was a special

936
01:05:18,060 --> 01:05:19,260
 called meeting.

937
01:05:19,260 --> 01:05:21,540
 The original intent of that meeting on the 28th?

938
01:05:21,540 --> 01:05:22,540
 29th.

939
01:05:22,540 --> 01:05:30,580
 29th of January was to do a tour of the square, and then bike share, or excuse me, scooter

940
01:05:30,580 --> 01:05:33,980
 share, because of the issues that we were trying to bring forward.

941
01:05:33,980 --> 01:05:39,580
 It was after the gateway presentation that a request was made to bring this item back

942
01:05:39,580 --> 01:05:41,980
 to the mobility committee at the special called meeting.

943
01:05:41,980 --> 01:05:48,700
 So we added a third item to the agenda, knowing that, well, you may not know, but we all know

944
01:05:48,700 --> 01:05:52,740
 that the mobility committee, excuse me, the traffic safety commission meets the first

945
01:05:52,740 --> 01:05:54,660
 Monday of every month.

946
01:05:54,660 --> 01:05:58,700
 So yes, the sequence got out of sequence, the way the presentation.

947
01:05:58,700 --> 01:06:06,060
 You share the view that the right sequence, notwithstanding exceptions, is to go through

948
01:06:06,060 --> 01:06:09,420
 the citizen committee and then bring that into it.

949
01:06:09,420 --> 01:06:10,420
 Sure.

950
01:06:10,420 --> 01:06:14,900
 It was at the request of council to bring this item that we just talked about at your

951
01:06:14,900 --> 01:06:15,900
 last meeting.

952
01:06:15,900 --> 01:06:16,900
 Okay.

953
01:06:16,900 --> 01:06:17,900
 I don't think we need a lot of discussion.

954
01:06:17,900 --> 01:06:18,900
 Thank you very much.

955
01:06:18,900 --> 01:06:19,900
 All right.

956
01:06:19,900 --> 01:06:20,900
 So let's move on to item D. Go ahead.

957
01:06:20,900 --> 01:06:24,680
 Oh, let me read what it is.

958
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:29,540
 And the receiver report and hold the discussion regarding the plans for short-term, parentheses,

959
01:06:29,540 --> 01:06:37,460
 interim improvements to FM 428 Sherman drive and loop 288 and long-term improvements along

960
01:06:37,460 --> 01:06:41,420
 FM 428 north of loop 288.

961
01:06:41,420 --> 01:06:45,460
 So I don't have a formal presentation.

962
01:06:45,460 --> 01:06:48,780
 I do want to start here.

963
01:06:48,780 --> 01:06:51,780
 There are two steps to getting there.

964
01:06:51,780 --> 01:06:56,140
 A lot of development going on in this particular area.

965
01:06:56,140 --> 01:06:59,180
 Anything south of the loop is already approved under construction.

966
01:06:59,180 --> 01:07:00,180
 Sorry.

967
01:07:00,180 --> 01:07:01,180
 Got a question.

968
01:07:01,180 --> 01:07:06,960
 Is there a reason why the T traffic study that the city initiated on this section isn't

969
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:11,500
 shared in the backup?

970
01:07:11,500 --> 01:07:12,500
 The entire study?

971
01:07:12,500 --> 01:07:13,500
 Yeah.

972
01:07:13,500 --> 01:07:14,500
 There is no reason.

973
01:07:14,500 --> 01:07:15,500
 Is that a confidential study?

974
01:07:15,500 --> 01:07:16,500
 No.

975
01:07:16,500 --> 01:07:17,500
 No.

976
01:07:17,500 --> 01:07:18,500
 Okay.

977
01:07:18,500 --> 01:07:19,900
 We can share the whole study.

978
01:07:19,900 --> 01:07:21,300
 There's no reason why not to.

979
01:07:21,300 --> 01:07:25,620
 So if we can get that uploaded to the background, that would be really good.

980
01:07:25,620 --> 01:07:28,100
 Thank you so much.

981
01:07:28,100 --> 01:07:32,340
 So as we know, this area is growing pretty fast.

982
01:07:32,340 --> 01:07:36,140
 One of the fastest areas growing in the city.

983
01:07:36,140 --> 01:07:41,020
 There's already construction in this area, the stark farms.

984
01:07:41,020 --> 01:07:45,900
 This area is already under construction of new development.

985
01:07:45,900 --> 01:07:53,260
 Large ranch on this side, other parcels are considering different types of uses.

986
01:07:53,260 --> 01:08:00,340
 So all of a sudden the Sherman corridor north of the loop as well as going into the city

987
01:08:00,340 --> 01:08:06,900
 has gained a lot of attention due to a lot of new added traffic that's going to use.

988
01:08:06,900 --> 01:08:13,300
 Currently at these two intersections, these are stop control intersections.

989
01:08:13,300 --> 01:08:19,220
 And they are text dot intersections currently.

990
01:08:19,220 --> 01:08:25,340
 One of the major concerns is during the peak hours, people cannot use the turn lanes, get

991
01:08:25,340 --> 01:08:31,300
 off the loop here on the other side, make that left out.

992
01:08:31,300 --> 01:08:33,740
 Other left turns into the loop.

993
01:08:33,740 --> 01:08:36,860
 So this intersection interchange does not function well.

994
01:08:36,860 --> 01:08:42,260
 It is already warranted for a traffic signal where to go through the analysis but present

995
01:08:42,260 --> 01:08:47,700
 a formal analysis to text dot for their consideration and approval.

996
01:08:47,700 --> 01:08:54,020
 So we have an interim short-term project that will realign lanes and add capacity under

997
01:08:54,020 --> 01:08:55,020
 the bridge.

998
01:08:55,020 --> 01:09:02,220
 If you look at how much space you have under the bridge, we're planning on widening and

999
01:09:02,220 --> 01:09:05,220
 redoing some of this ditch area, adding more lanes.

1000
01:09:05,220 --> 01:09:09,180
 If we can add more left turn lanes, align the through lanes.

1001
01:09:09,180 --> 01:09:14,420
 I think the through lanes are not aligned when you come in north.

1002
01:09:14,420 --> 01:09:21,180
 That lane does not really align with the -- because of this left turn and right turn lane, they're

1003
01:09:21,180 --> 01:09:24,400
 slightly skewed.

1004
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:31,540
 So what we're planning to do is add more capacity, review the intersections for warrants, conduct

1005
01:09:31,540 --> 01:09:37,420
 a warrant analysis, and move ahead with the signal design component of this.

1006
01:09:37,420 --> 01:09:42,780
 These are short-term improvements, signalizing these intersections.

1007
01:09:42,780 --> 01:09:45,980
 The cost for that is not included in the short-term improvements.

1008
01:09:45,980 --> 01:09:49,340
 It was just a capacity enhancement project.

1009
01:09:49,340 --> 01:09:54,580
 We'll come forward to counsel on adding those signals at these intersections at some point

1010
01:09:54,580 --> 01:09:55,980
 in the near future.

1011
01:09:55,980 --> 01:10:02,380
 That's the short-term to improve some of the congestion, some of the constraint currently

1012
01:10:02,380 --> 01:10:08,820
 at these two locations.

1013
01:10:08,820 --> 01:10:25,020
 If you go on this side, where Princedia is, and we have the development there, so part

1014
01:10:25,020 --> 01:10:28,420
 of the -- I'm going to really throw up.

1015
01:10:28,420 --> 01:10:36,020
 So part of the issue is that -- what is the speed limit on 428 right there?

1016
01:10:36,020 --> 01:10:39,940
 >> I think this is 40 or 45, I don't know.

1017
01:10:39,940 --> 01:10:41,900
 >> 80, 82.

1018
01:10:41,900 --> 01:10:47,740
 So people on Poinsettia, and there is a really large housing development right there, and

1019
01:10:47,740 --> 01:10:54,020
 the apartment complex is going to actually enter on that as well to exit.

1020
01:10:54,020 --> 01:11:02,260
 And so turning left on 428 from that neighborhood is a pretty hard thing to do during certain

1021
01:11:02,260 --> 01:11:03,700
 times of the day.

1022
01:11:03,700 --> 01:11:09,220
 So will having a light at the intersection that you're talking about, will that help

1023
01:11:09,220 --> 01:11:16,180
 control that traffic so that they can easily get out more left?

1024
01:11:16,180 --> 01:11:22,540
 >> So yes, having a signal creates a gap, so it sends traffic in platoons, which means

1025
01:11:22,540 --> 01:11:26,140
 there's a bunch of cars moving at the same time.

1026
01:11:26,140 --> 01:11:31,100
 Then once it turns red, the cars will stop and provide gaps.

1027
01:11:31,100 --> 01:11:37,740
 But we definitely can look into that at this intersection particularly to study if a signal

1028
01:11:37,740 --> 01:11:43,660
 is required or if a acceleration lane on this side is required, like a two-way left turn,

1029
01:11:43,660 --> 01:11:48,480
 so that people can actually find a gap between these vehicles, stay here for a little bit,

1030
01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:49,660
 and then merge.

1031
01:11:49,660 --> 01:11:53,100
 So there are different alternatives and options that can be looked at.

1032
01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:56,180
 >> Even a center lane, somewhere where you can get in the middle for safety.

1033
01:11:56,180 --> 01:11:57,180
 >> For a little bit.

1034
01:11:57,180 --> 01:12:01,460
 >> For a little bit before you do that because there's going to be more development on this

1035
01:12:01,460 --> 01:12:05,940
 other side and more significant development.

1036
01:12:05,940 --> 01:12:10,740
 So that was an intersection that I wanted to address as well because I've heard a lot

1037
01:12:10,740 --> 01:12:14,980
 of concern about it on that.

1038
01:12:14,980 --> 01:12:19,580
 So when we say a light, will it be one on either side of the loop?

1039
01:12:19,580 --> 01:12:20,580
 >> Correct.

1040
01:12:20,580 --> 01:12:21,580
 >> Okay.

1041
01:12:21,580 --> 01:12:24,940
 >> It'll function like any other interchange off of 35E.

1042
01:12:24,940 --> 01:12:25,940
 >> Okay.

1043
01:12:25,940 --> 01:12:27,820
 >> It'll function that way.

1044
01:12:27,820 --> 01:12:30,780
 >> And just on the opposite side, I'm sorry, Chair, may I?

1045
01:12:30,780 --> 01:12:31,780
 >> No, no, please.

1046
01:12:31,780 --> 01:12:32,780
 >> Okay.

1047
01:12:32,780 --> 01:12:39,020
 And so we have people getting out the issue on Hartley Field Road, the same issue turning

1048
01:12:39,020 --> 01:12:42,100
 left during certain times of the day.

1049
01:12:42,100 --> 01:12:48,460
 So will a light at this intersection help alleviate that or will there need to be some

1050
01:12:48,460 --> 01:12:52,820
 other traffic mechanism further down the way?

1051
01:12:52,820 --> 01:12:55,460
 >> Yeah, that might be a combination.

1052
01:12:55,460 --> 01:12:59,060
 We don't know what kind of traffic we get on Hartley Field.

1053
01:12:59,060 --> 01:13:07,780
 So it would be a combination of providing a signal here but also looking to specific

1054
01:13:07,780 --> 01:13:09,780
 upgrades needed at Hartley Field.

1055
01:13:09,780 --> 01:13:13,860
 Similar to points that we need to study it.

1056
01:13:13,860 --> 01:13:17,820
 We haven't gotten to a point where there's localized intersections that are being studied

1057
01:13:17,820 --> 01:13:18,820
 where --

1058
01:13:18,820 --> 01:13:19,820
 >> Okay.

1059
01:13:19,820 --> 01:13:23,740
 >> This is a short, small transportation project that was approved and we're moving forward

1060
01:13:23,740 --> 01:13:26,460
 design and implementation as an interim.

1061
01:13:26,460 --> 01:13:31,500
 But we have looked at long-term numbers and that's the next part of what I'm going to

1062
01:13:31,500 --> 01:13:37,660
 present is in the future when everything is developed, what is our need in this area?

1063
01:13:37,660 --> 01:13:45,100
 What are the arterials, the segments and the cross-sections required for some of these

1064
01:13:45,100 --> 01:13:46,100
 streets?

1065
01:13:46,100 --> 01:13:51,060
 I'll talk about that a little bit but specifically focused on this and this intersection, we've

1066
01:13:51,060 --> 01:13:54,300
 not dived into the details yet.

1067
01:13:54,300 --> 01:13:57,700
 >> Thank you.

1068
01:13:57,700 --> 01:14:04,500
 >> Moving forward, so long-term, we looked at a -- we conducted a study for this whole

1069
01:14:04,500 --> 01:14:05,500
 area.

1070
01:14:05,500 --> 01:14:11,340
 We worked closely with planning to gather the land use information.

1071
01:14:11,340 --> 01:14:16,940
 This is almost the edge of the city if it continues further north a little bit but this

1072
01:14:16,940 --> 01:14:24,900
 particular area has a lot of interest and people are coming in with plans for developing.

1073
01:14:24,900 --> 01:14:31,860
 We wanted to understand what would it take in order for this area to actually have the

1074
01:14:31,860 --> 01:14:36,740
 right traffic flowing or the right transportation facilities.

1075
01:14:36,740 --> 01:14:37,740
 Let's start.

1076
01:14:37,740 --> 01:14:43,660
 So some of the arterials, these are all the arterials that would be required to support

1077
01:14:43,660 --> 01:14:50,740
 it and then this is a very high-level study that looks at if this entire area is developed

1078
01:14:50,740 --> 01:14:57,580
 with residential as well as some commercial mix and we did work with planning on what

1079
01:14:57,580 --> 01:15:01,300
 type of mix there would be.

1080
01:15:01,300 --> 01:15:07,620
 Then we do require there's -- these are the furniture road linkage linking between Sherman

1081
01:15:07,620 --> 01:15:09,020
 and Locust.

1082
01:15:09,020 --> 01:15:13,140
 If we have those furniture roads, that would make it safer for people on Stewart to get

1083
01:15:13,140 --> 01:15:19,260
 in and out, right in, right out as opposed to actually connecting to the loop which is

1084
01:15:19,260 --> 01:15:23,640
 a freeway or a limited access facility in this area.

1085
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:31,140
 We will require Sherman and I think I have a table that goes with this.

1086
01:15:31,140 --> 01:15:41,100
 So north of Long Road, FM428, currently we need four but we need to reserve right away

1087
01:15:41,100 --> 01:15:47,940
 for six because as the development comes in, we will have to widen it to a six-lane facility.

1088
01:15:47,940 --> 01:16:02,180
 FM428 on the bottom, so this is -- I think this is this part of 428.

1089
01:16:02,180 --> 01:16:09,860
 It still says that it needs to be a -- oh, actually it's talking about the intersection

1090
01:16:09,860 --> 01:16:10,860
 or the interchange.

1091
01:16:10,860 --> 01:16:18,540
 If you look at the way this is configured, there's improvements recommended in this study

1092
01:16:18,540 --> 01:16:23,660
 and we can explore further but this is a very high-level study that does not get into the

1093
01:16:23,660 --> 01:16:30,700
 details of what would work well at one intersection.

1094
01:16:30,700 --> 01:16:34,540
 Moving forward, I mean, Stewart Road, there's a configuration recommended.

1095
01:16:34,540 --> 01:16:39,820
 Cooper Creek, Collins, these are different projects in this -- all these yellow highlighted

1096
01:16:39,820 --> 01:16:45,240
 streets, we're talking about either a four-lane or a six-lane arterial.

1097
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:52,060
 These are either going to be primary or secondary arterial and that's the study that was recently

1098
01:16:52,060 --> 01:16:53,300
 completed.

1099
01:16:53,300 --> 01:16:57,380
 We can share it with the committee members as well as the public.

1100
01:16:57,380 --> 01:17:03,220
 We had an ISR that was submitted to council in January.

1101
01:17:03,220 --> 01:17:08,780
 I think it was the second week that talked about this study and presented this information

1102
01:17:08,780 --> 01:17:13,180
 but if you have any specific questions, I can answer those.

1103
01:17:13,180 --> 01:17:17,420
 >> We do have a couple of blue cards.

1104
01:17:17,420 --> 01:17:20,740
 Council Member Briggs.

1105
01:17:20,740 --> 01:17:26,540
 >> This may be a question for Mr. Pulsner about the outer loop.

1106
01:17:26,540 --> 01:17:30,220
 How -- do we have -- is that in our update?

1107
01:17:30,220 --> 01:17:32,260
 Will you be discussing that on the next item?

1108
01:17:32,260 --> 01:17:33,260
 >> No, ma'am.

1109
01:17:33,260 --> 01:17:34,260
 >> No.

1110
01:17:34,260 --> 01:17:35,260
 Okay.

1111
01:17:35,260 --> 01:17:39,300
 Do you have any information to share with us on that and how that will affect what you

1112
01:17:39,300 --> 01:17:41,340
 see here on the slide?

1113
01:17:41,340 --> 01:17:46,660
 >> The COG's 10-year funding plan includes $50 million in Denton County for the outer

1114
01:17:46,660 --> 01:17:55,140
 loop that was established in 2018, so sometime in that time frame, COG is just expecting

1115
01:17:55,140 --> 01:18:02,620
 the county and then to move forward with some improvements or some study or some work on

1116
01:18:02,620 --> 01:18:08,740
 the outer loop that rhymes with the word $50 million and I don't know what that gets you.

1117
01:18:08,740 --> 01:18:12,700
 But it's in y'all's thoroughfare plan, it's in the county's thoroughfare plan, and there

1118
01:18:12,700 --> 01:18:17,580
 are funds available to establish that corridor environmentally, which is what you need to

1119
01:18:17,580 --> 01:18:25,620
 do to protect the corridor and begin to actually plan for some part of it being developed.

1120
01:18:25,620 --> 01:18:34,340
 So it's in -- for highway years, it's in a short-term window.

1121
01:18:34,340 --> 01:18:40,540
 >> I do want to point out that FM428 between the loop and outer loop is a TextDOT facility,

1122
01:18:40,540 --> 01:18:47,020
 so we have started discussion with John as well as TextDOT to see if we can move forward

1123
01:18:47,020 --> 01:18:54,020
 with some of the environmental schematic for this particular segment and then we'll have

1124
01:18:54,020 --> 01:19:01,260
 a better idea of at least the long-term we'll have the schematic and start securing the right

1125
01:19:01,260 --> 01:19:07,020
 of way as these developments come in, but in the short-term we can come up with solutions

1126
01:19:07,020 --> 01:19:12,980
 internally for the city to widen certain segments, especially closer to the city and then phase

1127
01:19:12,980 --> 01:19:15,060
 the project appropriately.

1128
01:19:15,060 --> 01:19:22,780
 >> And if you stick to relatively traditional design criteria, there's a good chance TextDOT

1129
01:19:22,780 --> 01:19:29,020
 will be willing to step up and do the funding of the project.

1130
01:19:29,020 --> 01:19:35,940
 If you go to more exotic types of traffic movement, they'll let you do it, but at the

1131
01:19:35,940 --> 01:19:39,020
 end of the day they're going to want you to take it off system.

1132
01:19:39,020 --> 01:19:40,740
 >> Like roundabouts, for instance?

1133
01:19:40,740 --> 01:19:41,740
 >> For exact.

1134
01:19:41,740 --> 01:19:42,740
 >> Okay.

1135
01:19:42,740 --> 01:19:43,740
 >> All right.

1136
01:19:43,740 --> 01:19:49,460
 Do we have time to talk about the virtues of roundabouts now?

1137
01:19:49,460 --> 01:19:53,260
 >> Is that what you were looking for?

1138
01:19:53,260 --> 01:19:54,260
 >> No.

1139
01:19:54,260 --> 01:19:55,260
 Not at all.

1140
01:19:55,260 --> 01:19:56,260
 Just a question.

1141
01:19:56,260 --> 01:20:00,660
 You may have said this, but I -- and so the intention is to have 428 as a four-lane-divided

1142
01:20:00,660 --> 01:20:01,660
 highway?

1143
01:20:01,660 --> 01:20:05,380
 >> So there are a couple of things we're looking at.

1144
01:20:05,380 --> 01:20:07,740
 There are several options.

1145
01:20:07,740 --> 01:20:15,060
 If we look at how this particular feeder road feeds into long-term big picture as part of

1146
01:20:15,060 --> 01:20:21,820
 our mobility plan considerations, this is a limited access freeway, loop in this area

1147
01:20:21,820 --> 01:20:29,940
 is a limited access freeway, 380 coming into the city will be connecting there.

1148
01:20:29,940 --> 01:20:32,780
 That's part of one of their alternatives they're looking at.

1149
01:20:32,780 --> 01:20:38,940
 So big picture, this may -- we may look at having this as a spur, which is also limited

1150
01:20:38,940 --> 01:20:41,160
 access from the outer loop to the loop.

1151
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:46,460
 So a lot of things going on, but the interim, we want to make sure that we at least have

1152
01:20:46,460 --> 01:20:54,300
 some widening and at least a middle turn lane so that people can easily get in and out of

1153
01:20:54,300 --> 01:20:58,060
 some of these cross streets, partly field.

1154
01:20:58,060 --> 01:21:01,940
 >> So if we're talking about timing, the most -- the more recent thing that we're talking

1155
01:21:01,940 --> 01:21:04,380
 about is just adding a turn lane?

1156
01:21:04,380 --> 01:21:05,380
 >> Yes.

1157
01:21:05,380 --> 01:21:06,380
 >> Okay.

1158
01:21:06,380 --> 01:21:10,380
 >> So it will be phased slowly depending on how the development comes in.

1159
01:21:10,380 --> 01:21:16,860
 So we'll -- at an interim, we're adding a turn lane at a minimum and then moving forward

1160
01:21:16,860 --> 01:21:18,780
 we'll phase in widening the street.

1161
01:21:18,780 --> 01:21:20,940
 >> And what is the timeline on that?

1162
01:21:20,940 --> 01:21:27,340
 >> We don't have a timeline at this point, but we'll be bringing that soon to council.

1163
01:21:27,340 --> 01:21:28,340
 >> Okay.

1164
01:21:28,340 --> 01:21:29,500
 >> You know, I can just add one thing.

1165
01:21:29,500 --> 01:21:34,460
 If TxDOT believes there's additional development that's going to come into this quarter, which

1166
01:21:34,460 --> 01:21:39,660
 I think that's easy enough to make, they're probably going to lean towards a six lane

1167
01:21:39,660 --> 01:21:45,460
 as opposed to a four lane because they've had experiences where they've allowed communities

1168
01:21:45,460 --> 01:21:50,580
 to talk them into four lane divides that come in and get developed later and then they have

1169
01:21:50,580 --> 01:21:53,360
 all kinds of mobility and access issues.

1170
01:21:53,360 --> 01:22:00,520
 So TxDOT are probably pushing you to a six lane if, you know, they're going to participate.

1171
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:03,660
 >> So let's have more discussion after we hear from the members of the public wishing

1172
01:22:03,660 --> 01:22:04,660
 to speak.

1173
01:22:04,660 --> 01:22:05,660
 Walter McGovern?

1174
01:22:05,660 --> 01:22:15,660
 >> Thank you very much for leaving the screen on.

1175
01:22:15,660 --> 01:22:16,660
 My name is Walter McGovern.

1176
01:22:16,660 --> 01:22:23,140
 I live on 3110 Hartley Field Road and I just -- I'm not going to take a lot of your time.

1177
01:22:23,140 --> 01:22:29,380
 I do want to -- I do appreciate you letting me attend this meeting.

1178
01:22:29,380 --> 01:22:33,820
 The biggest thing, though, for me, for my wife and I is safety reasons.

1179
01:22:33,820 --> 01:22:35,960
 Both my wife and I moved from Valley View.

1180
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:40,360
 We had a 60 acre horse ranch and now we have a seven acre horse ranch over there.

1181
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:43,060
 We have a large trailer.

1182
01:22:43,060 --> 01:22:45,460
 Both of us do a lot of traveling with our trailers.

1183
01:22:45,460 --> 01:22:50,380
 We'll need to come down 35, walk from Aubrey.

1184
01:22:50,380 --> 01:22:56,380
 My biggest concern is safety coming off of Hartley Field Road.

1185
01:22:56,380 --> 01:23:00,260
 Coming from Aubrey, turning to go down.

1186
01:23:00,260 --> 01:23:01,740
 >> If you can stay closer to the mic.

1187
01:23:01,740 --> 01:23:02,740
 >> I'm sorry.

1188
01:23:02,740 --> 01:23:04,340
 >> We need a longer arm.

1189
01:23:04,340 --> 01:23:05,340
 >> Right.

1190
01:23:05,340 --> 01:23:07,140
 I'm sorry.

1191
01:23:07,140 --> 01:23:08,140
 Coming in from Aubrey, turning.

1192
01:23:08,140 --> 01:23:12,380
 >> I think you can kind of stretch it -- I think you can kind of pull it in the direction

1193
01:23:12,380 --> 01:23:13,380
 of that.

1194
01:23:13,380 --> 01:23:14,380
 >> All right.

1195
01:23:14,380 --> 01:23:15,380
 Okay.

1196
01:23:15,380 --> 01:23:16,380
 All right.

1197
01:23:16,380 --> 01:23:17,380
 Thank you.

1198
01:23:17,380 --> 01:23:20,460
 Coming in from Aubrey, coming from north down to Aubrey, from Aubrey down to Hartley Field

1199
01:23:20,460 --> 01:23:23,140
 Road to make that left-hand turn.

1200
01:23:23,140 --> 01:23:27,620
 I have to slow down almost to stop before I can turn.

1201
01:23:27,620 --> 01:23:30,740
 I have to wait for people to come -- coming from me.

1202
01:23:30,740 --> 01:23:35,880
 I have to stop -- I have to wait until I'm sure there's nobody coming over the hill before

1203
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:37,140
 I make that turn.

1204
01:23:37,140 --> 01:23:38,680
 That's a safety concern for me.

1205
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:47,540
 And then coming in from 35 to Hartley Field Road, I have to wait right at the loop.

1206
01:23:47,540 --> 01:23:54,220
 Sometimes I have to be pretty audacious about the timing to get me and my trailer on Sherman

1207
01:23:54,220 --> 01:23:56,880
 to make the turn into Hartley Field Road.

1208
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,460
 So my biggest concern is safety.

1209
01:23:59,460 --> 01:24:03,900
 From what I hear right here, possibly going to a four-lane road, that would be great,

1210
01:24:03,900 --> 01:24:07,220
 plus to stop lights and everything like that.

1211
01:24:07,220 --> 01:24:10,940
 This is just my personal opinion, but I know they have some other experienced people out

1212
01:24:10,940 --> 01:24:14,420
 here, but I do want to go ahead and let you know, thank you very much for allowing me

1213
01:24:14,420 --> 01:24:15,420
 to do this.

1214
01:24:15,420 --> 01:24:16,420
 Thank you.

1215
01:24:16,420 --> 01:24:17,420
 >> Thank you.

1216
01:24:17,420 --> 01:24:18,420
 Okay.

1217
01:24:18,420 --> 01:24:19,420
 And Richard Wells.

1218
01:24:19,420 --> 01:24:31,380
 >> Go ahead and ask -- go ahead and ask on the mic just -- yeah, but -- okay, but I'll

1219
01:24:31,380 --> 01:24:32,380
 ask the question.

1220
01:24:32,380 --> 01:24:34,980
 Can you indicate where the city limits are?

1221
01:24:34,980 --> 01:24:37,860
 That came up last night, too.

1222
01:24:37,860 --> 01:24:38,860
 People need to know.

1223
01:24:38,860 --> 01:24:46,260
 Where does the city end?

1224
01:24:46,260 --> 01:24:50,220
 Thank you, guys, for your time.

1225
01:24:50,220 --> 01:24:52,140
 Are you representing Council of Governments?

1226
01:24:52,140 --> 01:24:54,940
 I heard somebody -- oh, okay.

1227
01:24:54,940 --> 01:24:56,780
 >> He's our TextDOT consultant.

1228
01:24:56,780 --> 01:25:01,220
 He works -- he has a presentation next on all the TextDOT on system.

1229
01:25:01,220 --> 01:25:02,220
 >> Oh, great.

1230
01:25:02,220 --> 01:25:03,220
 Yeah.

1231
01:25:03,220 --> 01:25:04,220
 >> Another road nerd.

1232
01:25:04,220 --> 01:25:05,220
 Like this stuff.

1233
01:25:05,220 --> 01:25:06,220
 >> Yeah.

1234
01:25:06,220 --> 01:25:14,180
 While he's doing this, on 428, you all probably already know this, but TextDOT owns 150 feet

1235
01:25:14,180 --> 01:25:17,520
 right of way, and for a six-lane, it would be about 250.

1236
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:22,420
 So it's going to be a whole lot of right of way that's going to have to be bought or purchased

1237
01:25:22,420 --> 01:25:24,460
 or -- yeah.

1238
01:25:24,460 --> 01:25:34,280
 Well, all mine comes from what I read online on their statistics and things.

1239
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:37,980
 The reason that I'm asking for an overlay here is so you can kind of get a better idea.

1240
01:25:37,980 --> 01:25:42,980
 I don't know, but the city limits run kind of odd out there, and we're proposing these

1241
01:25:42,980 --> 01:25:48,180
 roads here, and some of those may not be within the city limits, which means you've got to

1242
01:25:48,180 --> 01:25:50,660
 work with the county and other folks.

1243
01:25:50,660 --> 01:25:54,780
 So that would be a bit of a concern.

1244
01:25:54,780 --> 01:25:55,780
 Yeah.

1245
01:25:55,780 --> 01:25:57,540
 I'm sorry to be a problem.

1246
01:25:57,540 --> 01:26:03,180
 It just concerns me, first of all, that when I -- and great stuff online, because I looked

1247
01:26:03,180 --> 01:26:08,140
 at all this before the meeting and best information I could get, and I looked at the city limits

1248
01:26:08,140 --> 01:26:12,140
 map, but I can't mentally do a good overlay.

1249
01:26:12,140 --> 01:26:16,460
 And I'm worried that some of that proposed roads, those long-term proposed that you talked

1250
01:26:16,460 --> 01:26:22,020
 about so nicely there may be not in the city, which means you've got to deal with the county

1251
01:26:22,020 --> 01:26:23,580
 and a whole bunch of other folks, too.

1252
01:26:23,580 --> 01:26:26,220
 So I just kind of was concerned about that.

1253
01:26:26,220 --> 01:26:32,740
 Do you have plans of empire pre-term, or are you trying to expand the empire here?

1254
01:26:32,740 --> 01:26:34,940
 That's because I live in the county.

1255
01:26:34,940 --> 01:26:38,980
 I'm surrounded now by the city pretty much already.

1256
01:26:38,980 --> 01:26:47,620
 So while y'all are doing that, I can go ahead and start a little bit, and it just came to

1257
01:26:47,620 --> 01:26:50,020
 my head because of the short-term --

1258
01:26:50,020 --> 01:26:51,020
 I'm sorry.

1259
01:26:51,020 --> 01:26:52,020
 Excuse me.

1260
01:26:52,020 --> 01:26:53,020
 Did you give your name and address?

1261
01:26:53,020 --> 01:26:54,020
 I'm sorry.

1262
01:26:54,020 --> 01:26:55,020
 I'm Richard Wells.

1263
01:26:55,020 --> 01:26:56,020
 Yeah.

1264
01:26:56,020 --> 01:26:57,020
 Sure.

1265
01:26:57,020 --> 01:26:58,020
 Give your name and address and your time will begin.

1266
01:26:58,020 --> 01:26:59,500
 I'm 3830 Warshoen, about a mile outside the city limits.

1267
01:26:59,500 --> 01:27:05,340
 We're surrounded northeast and south by the city.

1268
01:27:05,340 --> 01:27:08,980
 And I've been in this discussion because we're talking a lot with the city, and the planning

1269
01:27:08,980 --> 01:27:14,580
 is only about the developments that are going to go on out there, which is not your concern.

1270
01:27:14,580 --> 01:27:20,840
 So it looks like some of the roads you proposed are not in the city limits in that long-term

1271
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:22,900
 thing.

1272
01:27:22,900 --> 01:27:24,980
 They look like they go over county spaces.

1273
01:27:24,980 --> 01:27:25,980
 Correct.

1274
01:27:25,980 --> 01:27:27,500
 But it's within the city, T.J.

1275
01:27:27,500 --> 01:27:30,180
 Typically that's what happens is they plan our mobility according to that.

1276
01:27:30,180 --> 01:27:33,860
 I couldn't find it online, so I think that's one thing we need to consider.

1277
01:27:33,860 --> 01:27:40,500
 Okay, so back to your short-term thing, nice idea on the bridge and everything, but according

1278
01:27:40,500 --> 01:27:47,100
 to the Denton Mobility Plan, the Pedestrian and Bicycle Mobility Plan of 2014, that's

1279
01:27:47,100 --> 01:27:51,900
 a major bicycle route, and if you get under that bridge and start doing all those roads

1280
01:27:51,900 --> 01:27:55,660
 and turn lanes and everything, you've pretty much killed the bicycle route through there.

1281
01:27:55,660 --> 01:28:00,060
 You didn't talk about that, so that's something I would just ask you to consider.

1282
01:28:00,060 --> 01:28:05,820
 I don't ride a bicycle out there, but in all the plans, both the North Texas Central Council

1283
01:28:05,820 --> 01:28:16,100
 of Governments, county and city, that is the only northeast bicycle artery, and it is considered

1284
01:28:16,100 --> 01:28:23,380
 in the Denton plans a major artery that goes from Hercules all the way out to Aubrey.

1285
01:28:23,380 --> 01:28:27,180
 So if you do all that stuff under the bridge, I'm afraid you're killing a bunch of bicycle

1286
01:28:27,180 --> 01:28:29,660
 lanes.

1287
01:28:29,660 --> 01:28:38,140
 On the other items, I had a 2014 study already shows that 428 level of service F in the early

1288
01:28:38,140 --> 01:28:43,060
 mornings, which means that it's already jammed up, so it speaks a lot to the safety problems

1289
01:28:43,060 --> 01:28:45,340
 we talked about and things like that.

1290
01:28:45,340 --> 01:28:53,020
 If you look very carefully, I'm sorry, you had this one up earlier, those proposed roadways

1291
01:28:53,020 --> 01:29:01,560
 go through what is called a watershed.

1292
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:05,620
 It has high watershed scores on Milam Creek and Clear Creek.

1293
01:29:05,620 --> 01:29:10,540
 Denton County Greenbelt plan adopted that, talks about those watersheds, and you're crossing

1294
01:29:10,540 --> 01:29:13,060
 it in about seven places.

1295
01:29:13,060 --> 01:29:17,180
 That's a protected, not protected watershed, but a proposed watershed.

1296
01:29:17,180 --> 01:29:21,020
 So if you look at all those roads you've drawn, I kind of drew little circles on there, and

1297
01:29:21,020 --> 01:29:25,180
 it goes through some very sensitive areas for Denton County.

1298
01:29:25,180 --> 01:29:29,920
 So I would just ask you to consider that very carefully when you start building those roads

1299
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:31,980
 across those watersheds.

1300
01:29:31,980 --> 01:29:38,100
 Already TexDOT and North Central Texas Council of Governance has major discussions about

1301
01:29:38,100 --> 01:29:46,900
 crossing the Greenbelt because of the historic bridge there and because of the Greenbelt,

1302
01:29:46,900 --> 01:29:49,140
 what it's used for and everything.

1303
01:29:49,140 --> 01:29:52,660
 One of the proposals was take six lanes down to four lanes to cross the Greenbelt and then

1304
01:29:52,660 --> 01:29:58,620
 go back up to six lanes, which kind of sounds kind of strange.

1305
01:29:58,620 --> 01:30:04,980
 I think that there are 10,000 students a day or something like that that attend the school

1306
01:30:04,980 --> 01:30:05,980
 out there.

1307
01:30:05,980 --> 01:30:06,980
 Is that correct?

1308
01:30:06,980 --> 01:30:09,380
 You're coming up on your time, so you know what I'm talking about.

1309
01:30:09,380 --> 01:30:12,860
 So I'm just saying the traffic out there is already very heavy.

1310
01:30:12,860 --> 01:30:19,460
 I think it would be make sure you look at proposed city limits and yes, you have the

1311
01:30:19,460 --> 01:30:20,460
 ETJ.

1312
01:30:20,460 --> 01:30:21,460
 That's true.

1313
01:30:21,460 --> 01:30:25,360
 Look at the wetlands, the floodplains, and all the reports that have come out about that

1314
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:28,380
 and consider very carefully this bicycle thing that goes through there.

1315
01:30:28,380 --> 01:30:30,140
 I know a lot of people use that.

1316
01:30:30,140 --> 01:30:31,140
 Thank you for your time.

1317
01:30:31,140 --> 01:30:32,140
 Thank you, Mr. Wells.

1318
01:30:32,140 --> 01:30:33,140
 Okay.

1319
01:30:33,140 --> 01:30:37,940
 So we're asked to hold the discussion, but you're not asking us for direction today.

1320
01:30:37,940 --> 01:30:39,980
 No, not at this time.

1321
01:30:39,980 --> 01:30:42,980
 Any other thoughts?

1322
01:30:42,980 --> 01:30:49,060
 If he has one, I just have a couple of questions.

1323
01:30:49,060 --> 01:30:53,000
 Continue with the current plan and as things develop, bring it back to us.

1324
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:58,940
 I'm looking forward to the mobility update coming up later this year.

1325
01:30:58,940 --> 01:30:59,940
 Council Member Briggs?

1326
01:30:59,940 --> 01:31:01,100
 Just a couple of comments.

1327
01:31:01,100 --> 01:31:05,060
 I'm glad the gentleman brought up the use of horse trailers because during my neighborhood

1328
01:31:05,060 --> 01:31:11,860
 meeting I think 20 people were there and no one lived on any acreage less than two.

1329
01:31:11,860 --> 01:31:16,060
 And several of them had trailers and horses and cattle.

1330
01:31:16,060 --> 01:31:21,700
 So like Mr. Polster said, a roundabout in that area might not be the best for large

1331
01:31:21,700 --> 01:31:25,000
 vehicles traveling.

1332
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:27,460
 And I don't know if that -- I'm just throwing that out there.

1333
01:31:27,460 --> 01:31:28,940
 So I just -- two things.

1334
01:31:28,940 --> 01:31:33,820
 I'm also glad that the greenbelt was brought up on 428 because 380 access has been blocked

1335
01:31:33,820 --> 01:31:36,100
 off for a really long time.

1336
01:31:36,100 --> 01:31:39,340
 And this is an important access point for us.

1337
01:31:39,340 --> 01:31:45,140
 And so I want to make sure that that bike lane and that access is protected no matter

1338
01:31:45,140 --> 01:31:49,380
 what kind of growth we have out in this area.

1339
01:31:49,380 --> 01:31:56,620
 And then I would also like a hard date on the lights at the intersection of -- or maybe

1340
01:31:56,620 --> 01:32:03,860
 a little better time frame on the lights and the upgrades at the loop and Sherman intersection

1341
01:32:03,860 --> 01:32:07,260
 so that I can share those with my constituents.

1342
01:32:07,260 --> 01:32:15,860
 Yeah, and just upload the study, the traffic study, in the back -- in the backup so that

1343
01:32:15,860 --> 01:32:21,180
 there's a better idea of the traffic coming to the area.

1344
01:32:21,180 --> 01:32:25,460
 I'll just weigh in -- you know, I don't want to get too far off the posting into land use,

1345
01:32:25,460 --> 01:32:34,820
 but just to say that I'm increasingly interested in how far we are or are not drifting from

1346
01:32:34,820 --> 01:32:41,740
 the 2030 plan in terms of the sort of intended look for the city in 2030.

1347
01:32:41,740 --> 01:32:46,900
 You know, this is all premised on the pace of growth in this particular corridor.

1348
01:32:46,900 --> 01:32:52,020
 And you know, I think we're going to have to at least sort of recheck against what was

1349
01:32:52,020 --> 01:33:01,420
 the intended look of this area because it is an important natural and rural part, and

1350
01:33:01,420 --> 01:33:06,580
 some areas are more kind of guided toward in-field development and some are not so that

1351
01:33:06,580 --> 01:33:11,700
 we end up with a kind of balanced picture when we're done with this whole dang thing.

1352
01:33:11,700 --> 01:33:18,500
 So you know, I'd just say there's probably more conversations coming that will affect

1353
01:33:18,500 --> 01:33:20,620
 the look of development in that corridor.

1354
01:33:20,620 --> 01:33:22,220
 >> Okay.

1355
01:33:22,220 --> 01:33:24,540
 >> Anything else?

1356
01:33:24,540 --> 01:33:25,540
 >> Yep.

1357
01:33:25,540 --> 01:33:26,540
 >> All right.

1358
01:33:26,540 --> 01:33:33,100
 >> Janelle, would you all like us to put 428 improvements on your report that we did for

1359
01:33:33,100 --> 01:33:34,100
 Maryland?

1360
01:33:34,100 --> 01:33:35,100
 >> Yes, please.

1361
01:33:35,100 --> 01:33:36,100
 >> Yes.

1362
01:33:36,100 --> 01:33:37,100
 Thank you.

1363
01:33:37,100 --> 01:33:44,820
 So I'm going to close item D. And I understand we have five minutes for item E and staff

1364
01:33:44,820 --> 01:33:45,820
 reports.

1365
01:33:45,820 --> 01:33:46,820
 What do you want to do?

1366
01:33:46,820 --> 01:33:47,820
 >> I'm going to hit the highlights.

1367
01:33:47,820 --> 01:33:48,820
 >> All right.

1368
01:33:48,820 --> 01:33:49,820
 Go for it.

1369
01:33:49,820 --> 01:33:54,660
 So item E, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding TxDOT on-system projects in the

1370
01:33:54,660 --> 01:33:56,540
 Denton area to include the 35 Express project.

1371
01:33:56,540 --> 01:33:59,220
 >> We'll start with bad news.

1372
01:33:59,220 --> 01:34:03,460
 TxDOT did terminate the contract with MCM on 2181.

1373
01:34:03,460 --> 01:34:13,580
 TxDOT is looking at having a maintenance contract done to take and resurface some of the more

1374
01:34:13,580 --> 01:34:18,140
 difficult parts of the road that are deteriorating because of the construction.

1375
01:34:18,140 --> 01:34:24,540
 The bond council, I mean the bonding company is Berkshire Hathaway, and they are challenging

1376
01:34:24,540 --> 01:34:27,300
 determination.

1377
01:34:27,300 --> 01:34:35,100
 And so this could be anywhere from nine to 12 months before you see anything happen on

1378
01:34:35,100 --> 01:34:38,380
 2181 other than what's happening now.

1379
01:34:38,380 --> 01:34:44,860
 We've got one closure that the bonding company is paying the sub.

1380
01:34:44,860 --> 01:34:49,280
 So the sub is continuing to make that improvement arrangement so they can get that thing back

1381
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:51,180
 up and in about 20 days.

1382
01:34:51,180 --> 01:34:58,860
 So MCM has been terminated, they're no longer, TxDOT is going to be arguing with the bonding

1383
01:34:58,860 --> 01:35:01,460
 company but they're not going to allow them back on the project.

1384
01:35:01,460 --> 01:35:05,980
 So it will go fallow for a period of time.

1385
01:35:05,980 --> 01:35:09,980
 Just want you all to know that.

1386
01:35:09,980 --> 01:35:12,980
 Then 377 four-wheel drive has begun construction.

1387
01:35:12,980 --> 01:35:16,380
 I don't know if you notice that if you drive out there, they already started clearing the

1388
01:35:16,380 --> 01:35:17,380
 right away.

1389
01:35:17,380 --> 01:35:23,300
 We've got a few issues with some utilities that we need to address, but they're minor

1390
01:35:23,300 --> 01:35:26,740
 as far as timing goes.

1391
01:35:26,740 --> 01:35:35,660
 Your 35 Brinker Mayhill Project 288, the contractor has told TxDOT that they will be switching

1392
01:35:35,660 --> 01:35:42,220
 the traffic to the new bridge on March 9th, and last week I looked at it, I didn't think

1393
01:35:42,220 --> 01:35:45,660
 there was any way they could make it, but today when I drove through here, it's looking

1394
01:35:45,660 --> 01:35:46,960
 pretty close.

1395
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:52,100
 So if they make that time frame, all the traffic that's on 35 will be moved up to the upper

1396
01:35:52,100 --> 01:35:56,240
 deck and then they'll do the remaining part of the project.

1397
01:35:56,240 --> 01:36:04,060
 Once they get the traffic up on the top deck, they will be able to open a temporary connection

1398
01:36:04,060 --> 01:36:13,700
 from Brinker across 35 to the development on the west side of the facility.

1399
01:36:13,700 --> 01:36:16,860
 Can I interject a little bit?

1400
01:36:16,860 --> 01:36:23,340
 He's already updated with the active construction projects, so if we can, can we skip the other

1401
01:36:23,340 --> 01:36:25,340
 projects that are fairly in the design phase?

1402
01:36:25,340 --> 01:36:27,460
 Yeah, I was going to say that.

1403
01:36:27,460 --> 01:36:29,780
 Those are the main issues.

1404
01:36:29,780 --> 01:36:36,860
 I wanted you to know that 2181, if you start getting complaints because nobody's working,

1405
01:36:36,860 --> 01:36:39,460
 it's because nobody's working.

1406
01:36:39,460 --> 01:36:46,460
 And then we're going to see some major traffic shift on 35 in the heart of your town next

1407
01:36:46,460 --> 01:36:47,460
 month.

1408
01:36:47,460 --> 01:36:52,940
 Mr. Polster, if I can ask, on 2181, how much information should we release to the public

1409
01:36:52,940 --> 01:36:58,540
 when it comes, just to help kind of soften the blow to at least be proactive in communications?

1410
01:36:58,540 --> 01:37:02,300
 So the only thing I would have changed on the report that I will change going forward

1411
01:37:02,300 --> 01:37:10,300
 is it's terminated, but TechStat area office is going to be contracting with a maintenance

1412
01:37:10,300 --> 01:37:18,140
 contract to keep 2181 viable as a roadway during this hiatus.

1413
01:37:18,140 --> 01:37:23,100
 Those are the only two major issues with that project.

1414
01:37:23,100 --> 01:37:26,500
 Thank you for updating us.

1415
01:37:26,500 --> 01:37:28,860
 One quick question if I may.

1416
01:37:28,860 --> 01:37:29,860
 Okay.

1417
01:37:29,860 --> 01:37:32,660
 Well, you know, you got the first one last time there was a conflict, so I'm going to

1418
01:37:32,660 --> 01:37:34,140
 let Council Member Briggs go first now.

1419
01:37:34,140 --> 01:37:36,260
 There will be a gentleman about it, I'm sure.

1420
01:37:36,260 --> 01:37:41,460
 Yeah, just on the, on the loop, because we've had some questions about that and some, just

1421
01:37:41,460 --> 01:37:47,100
 the, because it's moving along, but it's just the frontage, correct?

1422
01:37:47,100 --> 01:37:52,500
 No, we're clearing a controlled access freeway that's about 350 feet.

1423
01:37:52,500 --> 01:37:56,860
 We're acquiring all the, we'll acquire all the right-of-way for the entire facility.

1424
01:37:56,860 --> 01:38:02,660
 And then right now we're, we've got earmark on enough money to do the northbound frontage

1425
01:38:02,660 --> 01:38:08,580
 road, but I'm not giving up on, we got some time between now and then to find additional

1426
01:38:08,580 --> 01:38:10,260
 funds on it.

1427
01:38:10,260 --> 01:38:11,260
 To do the full loop?

1428
01:38:11,260 --> 01:38:12,260
 That's a minimum.

1429
01:38:12,260 --> 01:38:13,260
 Okay.

1430
01:38:13,260 --> 01:38:14,260
 Of where we'll start.

1431
01:38:14,260 --> 01:38:16,740
 And just for those listening, this is the inner loop, not the outer loop.

1432
01:38:16,740 --> 01:38:18,100
 That's the inner loop's a little bit closer.

1433
01:38:18,100 --> 01:38:19,100
 Loop 288.

1434
01:38:19,100 --> 01:38:20,100
 Yeah, Loop 288.

1435
01:38:20,100 --> 01:38:21,100
 Thank you.

1436
01:38:21,100 --> 01:38:22,860
 Thank you.

1437
01:38:22,860 --> 01:38:23,860
 I'll pretend.

1438
01:38:23,860 --> 01:38:27,940
 On 377, we talked about Rose Lawn would be opening up after the sanitary sewer.

1439
01:38:27,940 --> 01:38:32,820
 Do you know if that's true or because the railroad bridge is going in on that side and

1440
01:38:32,820 --> 01:38:38,540
 it's so close between the tracks and Rose Lawn, will that remain closed until a new

1441
01:38:38,540 --> 01:38:39,540
 bridge is in?

1442
01:38:39,540 --> 01:38:42,860
 No, no, the Rose Lawn will be opened once the sanitary sewer line gets moved, because

1443
01:38:42,860 --> 01:38:46,820
 the work that we're doing with UP at that area is pretty much within the UP right-of-way.

1444
01:38:46,820 --> 01:38:47,820
 Okay.

1445
01:38:47,820 --> 01:38:52,100
 We can't go outside.

1446
01:38:52,100 --> 01:38:53,100
 Okay.

1447
01:38:53,100 --> 01:38:54,860
 All right.

1448
01:38:54,860 --> 01:38:55,860
 Thank you.

1449
01:38:55,860 --> 01:38:59,340
 And that's within our time.

1450
01:38:59,340 --> 01:39:03,380
 You have 30 seconds for staff reports?

1451
01:39:03,380 --> 01:39:04,380
 Okay.

1452
01:39:04,380 --> 01:39:07,280
 I haven't ended the report.

1453
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:08,280
 I'll quickly go over.

1454
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:11,780
 There are a couple things in the matrix that I want to clean up.

1455
01:39:11,780 --> 01:39:18,620
 Number six, DCT update as we decided today that we'll get monthly updates from Sarah,

1456
01:39:18,620 --> 01:39:23,100
 and I would like to remove that item because we were going to agenda as it will be on the

1457
01:39:23,100 --> 01:39:24,100
 agenda.

1458
01:39:24,100 --> 01:39:25,100
 Okay.

1459
01:39:25,100 --> 01:39:26,940
 And then the next item, number seven, walking tour.

1460
01:39:26,940 --> 01:39:33,460
 We're planning on putting an ISR in the Friday packet for just what we've done and what we

1461
01:39:33,460 --> 01:39:34,700
 discussed at the tour.

1462
01:39:34,700 --> 01:39:36,580
 So that would clear off this item.

1463
01:39:36,580 --> 01:39:38,660
 So we plan on removing if you don't have it.

1464
01:39:38,660 --> 01:39:39,660
 Yeah, actually, we did.

1465
01:39:39,660 --> 01:39:40,660
 Yeah.

1466
01:39:40,660 --> 01:39:41,660
 Okay.

1467
01:39:41,660 --> 01:39:48,140
 And then the other items, we do plan on bringing them one after the other on the agenda, like

1468
01:39:48,140 --> 01:39:52,840
 for example, the protected bike lanes and connectivity and so and so forth.

1469
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:54,480
 Quick update on the forest ridge.

1470
01:39:54,480 --> 01:40:02,800
 We are looking at options for removing the medians in the top section.

1471
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:10,020
 That is a more, how do you say, that would address most of the concerns and based on

1472
01:40:10,020 --> 01:40:15,020
 the level difference between the two streets, but we don't know the fiscal impacts of that

1473
01:40:15,020 --> 01:40:20,040
 and we'll bring it forward at some point, but currently we are looking at taking the

1474
01:40:20,040 --> 01:40:21,040
 median out.

1475
01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:23,020
 Do you want to say about that D4?

1476
01:40:23,020 --> 01:40:30,860
 Well, and I believe someone from engineering will be at the February 25th forest ridge

1477
01:40:30,860 --> 01:40:32,420
 HOA meeting.

1478
01:40:32,420 --> 01:40:36,020
 I'm not aware of that, but we can tell.

1479
01:40:36,020 --> 01:40:43,940
 Someone from staff said that they've been contacted by them to be there for that.

1480
01:40:43,940 --> 01:40:52,260
 So, yeah, because the HOA recently paid for reinstalling irrigation and electric to that

1481
01:40:52,260 --> 01:40:54,140
 median about two years ago.

1482
01:40:54,140 --> 01:40:55,140
 Okay.

1483
01:40:55,140 --> 01:40:56,140
 So that would be a good discussion.

1484
01:40:56,140 --> 01:40:57,140
 I mean, yes.

1485
01:40:57,140 --> 01:41:00,300
 We're kind of pushing at burning items.

1486
01:41:00,300 --> 01:41:01,980
 Just one last thing.

1487
01:41:01,980 --> 01:41:08,500
 On the matrix, I'd like to add an item for our department or of mobility to consider

1488
01:41:08,500 --> 01:41:14,700
 adding a goal or adopting a goal that's been adopted by other cities known as vision zero.

1489
01:41:14,700 --> 01:41:20,700
 And so if we just need a work session on what that is and what we need to do to do that.

1490
01:41:20,700 --> 01:41:28,280
 And you can get back to me if you want via an email, I just would like to understand

1491
01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:33,780
 what the concept is for the road going through the going alongside the service center came

1492
01:41:33,780 --> 01:41:38,380
 up in town hall last night and Tracy could fill you in.

1493
01:41:38,380 --> 01:41:40,340
 So this is Roodell's real realignment.

1494
01:41:40,340 --> 01:41:46,860
 Yeah, I want to take the time now and then we are having a public meeting on that item

1495
01:41:46,860 --> 01:41:47,860
 next Monday.

1496
01:41:47,860 --> 01:41:48,860
 Okay.

1497
01:41:48,860 --> 01:41:55,700
 Yeah, please put that in the note and I'll post it as well when we're all out of town.

1498
01:41:55,700 --> 01:41:59,020
 Also quickly, I don't want to do one to remove it.

1499
01:41:59,020 --> 01:42:01,300
 The small area plan has been completed.

1500
01:42:01,300 --> 01:42:02,300
 So yep.

1501
01:42:02,300 --> 01:42:03,300
 Okay, good.

1502
01:42:03,300 --> 01:42:04,300
 Okay.

1503
01:42:04,300 --> 01:42:11,500
 So I'm going to close the meeting at 1043.