WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:08.260 And we will call this meeting of the special citizens bond advisory committee to order 00:00:08.260 --> 00:00:15.360 The first item is agenda item a consider approval of minutes, which you should have seen in your backup. They were electronic 00:00:15.360 --> 00:00:17.880 That you could have clicked on to read through 00:00:17.880 --> 00:00:24.760 consider approval of the minutes for both June 7th last week's meeting 2023 and June 10th, which was the 00:00:24.760 --> 00:00:27.560 tour 00:00:27.560 --> 00:00:29.560 meeting any motions 00:00:30.960 --> 00:00:33.380 So I'm out second 00:00:33.380 --> 00:00:38.280 I think we need to get in the living McAdams had the second 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:43.680 Any discussion on favor raise your right hand 00:00:43.680 --> 00:00:46.840 All opposed same sign that 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:48.720 passes 00:00:48.720 --> 00:00:58.120 Moving on to item one B receive a report and hold discussion regarding the following one and inclusion of inclusive playground to aquatics facility 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:06.480 Three proposed improvements of to Riddell Street and Mingo Road for proposed implementation of railroad quiet zones 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:13.400 Five Oakland Street and upstream detention stormwater drainage infrastructure six pecan Creek 00:01:13.400 --> 00:01:18.720 tributary drainage improvement project phase three and four and seven public art and just 00:01:18.720 --> 00:01:24.800 As a note as we jump into these one after another similar processes last time where we'll hear the staff presentation 00:01:24.800 --> 00:01:26.880 We'll have an open QA 00:01:27.880 --> 00:01:29.880 facilitated by myself 00:01:29.880 --> 00:01:36.160 Then we'll go to some small group conversations as needed and then jumping back into a whole group 00:01:36.160 --> 00:01:42.120 Conversation that we can have discussion Q&A as needed after that for each project and we'll move on to the next one 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:45.400 So starting with an inclusive program playground 00:01:45.400 --> 00:01:48.640 We have a presentation 00:01:57.880 --> 00:01:59.880 I 00:01:59.880 --> 00:02:14.480 Good evening everyone, my name is Finn say Espinosa 00:02:14.480 --> 00:02:18.960 I'm the assistant director for the park and rec department in charge of planning and operations 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:23.440 And I'm here to provide you tonight's presentation for the inclusive playground with me 00:02:23.440 --> 00:02:28.800 I have Chris Escoto park planner and Mia Macy. She's our adaptive recreation 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:32.000 Person that is working with us 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:34.600 To go through this process 00:02:34.600 --> 00:02:40.400 So I know I've taken all the classes, you know, he was not supposed to read the inclusive 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:46.320 I mean a PowerPoints of verbatim, but since this is a subject we're on for people 00:02:46.320 --> 00:02:51.280 In the in the recordings can be watching this that are might be vision impaired. I'm just gonna 00:02:51.880 --> 00:02:53.880 Touch through almost all of these points 00:02:53.880 --> 00:03:01.120 So 25% of people living with disability or living live with a disability and less than 3% of 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:03.840 Disabilities are related to orthopedic 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:05.800 impairments 00:03:05.800 --> 00:03:07.400 90% of people 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:10.880 Say communities should offer an all-inclusive playground 00:03:10.880 --> 00:03:14.640 for all physical and cognitive abilities a 00:03:14.640 --> 00:03:20.240 little over half of the families who have a child with a disability are 00:03:20.640 --> 00:03:24.320 unable to play in a park as often as they would like and 00:03:24.320 --> 00:03:28.100 92 percent of disabilities are not visible 00:03:28.100 --> 00:03:35.280 So these excerpts are straight out of our park master plan that was adopted last year 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:38.160 So the first one is the graph on the left 00:03:38.160 --> 00:03:45.800 What are the biggest challenges didn't faces now and in the future for parks and recreation as you can see the largest one is sustained 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:47.800 growth and second is 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:50.280 accessibility and adaptive play 00:03:51.640 --> 00:03:57.320 Close thirds or funding and connectivity which ties into last week's presentation 00:03:57.320 --> 00:04:01.180 And on the right in the word cloud 00:04:01.180 --> 00:04:06.240 What is the one word that you would use to describe how you envision the park system in the future? 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:14.520 So the largest response there as you can see is the word accessible and the second largest responses 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:17.040 are larger and inclusive 00:04:17.400 --> 00:04:24.560 So looking toward 2040 the committee wants a park system to be larger accessible more inclusive and better connected 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:28.000 We're all on the same page, which is great oops 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:35.080 Okay the purpose 00:04:35.080 --> 00:04:42.800 Although the city has accessibility at all playgrounds the proposed playground will be the first of its kind in Denton 00:04:43.320 --> 00:04:50.440 So what are we talking about here using using universal design to provide a sensory rich environment that enables children 00:04:50.440 --> 00:04:56.840 To develop physically socially and emotionally in the same area in the same space 00:04:56.840 --> 00:05:01.640 We're also going to provide equal access and play for all abilities 00:05:01.640 --> 00:05:07.560 Support physical and cognitive cognitive development social integration 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:11.480 family engagement community awareness and acceptance 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:14.600 We're going to take a little pause and show a little video 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:25.820 Inclusive playground 00:05:25.820 --> 00:05:30.560 56 percent of families who have a child with a physical learning sensory 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:37.460 Medical or complex disability or need report that they are unable to play in a park as often as they'd like 00:05:38.880 --> 00:05:45.680 Imagine a place where everyone regardless of their abilities can come together for a true universal play experience 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:51.800 The all-inclusive playground will be designed so play knows no boundaries a 00:05:51.800 --> 00:05:54.440 space that encourages 00:05:54.440 --> 00:05:57.860 challenges and inspires emotional and social connections 00:06:08.880 --> 00:06:10.880 You 00:06:10.880 --> 00:06:26.000 Thank you Ryan and team for providing that 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:33.280 So the the area we're talking about the park we're talking about 00:06:33.280 --> 00:06:36.760 Putting this is at North Lakes and the current conditions 00:06:37.200 --> 00:06:41.760 the playground there was installed in 2002 15,000 square feet and 00:06:41.760 --> 00:06:43.880 our 00:06:43.880 --> 00:06:50.280 Standard to replace the playgrounds in the city of Denton is between 15 and 20 years and as you can see we're there 00:06:50.280 --> 00:06:57.700 So the site info what I did was I highlighted in the green what the 00:06:57.700 --> 00:07:04.200 Areas that are available now for play and the possibilities of expansion in the blue 00:07:07.200 --> 00:07:09.200 And 00:07:09.200 --> 00:07:12.080 The blue area to the north those trees have died 00:07:12.080 --> 00:07:18.500 So if we expand there the trees to the south would shade it and the area to the south you could see 00:07:18.500 --> 00:07:22.720 That I drew around the tree, but the tree provides shade on 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:26.000 Maybe half of it 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:31.280 And the parking lot was evaluated in the ADA assessment that was performed 00:07:31.280 --> 00:07:37.120 But and it's not included in this scope, but it will be included in the city's five-year capital budget 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:39.800 And it will be aligned along with this project 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:49.960 So we're proposing three point four five million dollars for this playground for around a twenty to thirty thousand square foot play area 00:07:49.960 --> 00:07:58.400 Using universal design to hit the sensory stimulation and equipment cognitive and physical components to be included 00:07:58.400 --> 00:08:05.280 So what we've done we've been touring playgrounds around North, Texas that have other cities that have done this and 00:08:05.640 --> 00:08:11.320 Most recently last Friday. We took our managers supervisors playground inspectors is planner city stuff 00:08:11.320 --> 00:08:13.880 over to visit some of these 00:08:13.880 --> 00:08:19.160 So and I put I ranked them in order from from lowest dollar amount to the highest dollar amount 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:23.480 But as you can see they're all over the place depending on what amenities are 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:25.520 included 00:08:25.520 --> 00:08:31.320 Like the first one right here two million dollars fifteen thousand square feet with a seven thousand square foot splash pad in 00:08:31.320 --> 00:08:34.080 2019 dollars 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:38.000 The next one in Fort Worth was a dream park. We've visited this one a couple times 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:43.440 for a million for fifty thousand fifty seven thousand square feet in 2018 dollars and 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:48.240 a lot of that fifty thousand square feet is just turf like 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:51.960 Sawed 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:55.980 Casey's playground, this is a very well done playground included 00:08:55.980 --> 00:09:03.120 two plus million dollars in twenty thirteen dollars for a twenty thousand square foot playground and a 00:09:03.280 --> 00:09:05.280 thirteen hundred square foot pavilion 00:09:05.280 --> 00:09:10.560 Which didn't include the restroom that you can see on the picture on the right in the middle behind those two structures 00:09:10.560 --> 00:09:17.200 Farmers branch playground that's not built yet, but it will be 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:20.080 this year or early next 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:28.400 Five and a half million dollars for eighteen thousand square foot playground and that one is gonna have glowing amenities as you can see 00:09:28.400 --> 00:09:30.600 Which is pretty awesome 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:35.640 The one in Iowa five point six million dollars in twenty twenty two dollars 00:09:35.640 --> 00:09:39.960 15,000 square feet a miracle field which we're also working on 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:42.960 and a fishing pier 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:47.320 So Grand Prairie by far is the best one we've seen to date 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:50.560 Phase one only and it's huge 00:09:50.560 --> 00:09:55.080 So six and six point six million dollars for phase one 00:09:55.080 --> 00:10:01.440 They have an eight acre lot, but the playground itself is thirty to forty thousand square feet because they built a 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:08.880 amenities of phase two areas within phase one, but not quite all the way and the one in Mesa, Arizona 00:10:08.880 --> 00:10:17.940 Is seven point nine million in twenty twenty seventeen dollars for a nine thousand square foot playground and an eighteen thousand square foot splash pad 00:10:21.520 --> 00:10:28.320 So again, this would be our first one in Denton that's all inclusive using Universal Design and 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:36.680 Our director mr. Packen couldn't make it this week, but I mean ready the redbird he says let's build this 00:10:36.680 --> 00:10:41.680 Any questions 00:10:51.520 --> 00:10:53.520 Presentation 00:10:53.520 --> 00:10:56.240 Come back here 00:10:56.240 --> 00:11:02.700 Yeah, we don't have any questions, but can I go to the playground in the in Grand Prairie? 00:11:02.700 --> 00:11:06.120 Yes, sir 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:09.040 Where is the one in Fort Worth? 00:11:09.040 --> 00:11:13.280 One second 00:11:13.280 --> 00:11:16.920 Bring the playground expert. This is Chris's project by the way 00:11:16.920 --> 00:11:20.880 How's it going guys? So that's located over there by the Fort Worth Zoo 00:11:21.520 --> 00:11:27.060 Close to the rose garden just right across if you're familiar with the train that runs around downtown 00:11:27.060 --> 00:11:29.580 That's that's that park location 00:11:29.580 --> 00:11:39.880 By the community not by the city 00:11:39.880 --> 00:11:44.920 So there are some sponsors. So when you walk up to that to that playground, you do see a big 00:11:44.920 --> 00:11:49.080 Sponsor plaque that there's different tiers. So we do still 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:53.720 Anticipate doing that here. So we are going to have sponsorship packages that have that opportunity 00:11:53.720 --> 00:12:00.260 But I'm not familiar with the financing on the back end, but it did have funding from outside 00:12:00.260 --> 00:12:05.380 Correct and it's currently known as that 00:12:05.380 --> 00:12:11.440 Got a question over here 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:16.500 Having been having been to the Grand Prairie one 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:21.440 Some of the things that are included in that one is 00:12:21.440 --> 00:12:29.160 They've got additional acre or part of the acreage where they're putting in and have in 00:12:29.160 --> 00:12:32.440 The not a torium type the indoor 00:12:32.440 --> 00:12:40.540 You know slides they're also looking toward putting in a hotel as part of it 00:12:40.540 --> 00:12:46.840 It was funded a lot of it by donations and matching 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:55.000 donations from say company a if you'll give me X then I will match you dollar for dollar 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:58.160 so if 00:12:58.160 --> 00:13:00.560 You're going to want to do one of these 00:13:00.560 --> 00:13:10.500 What is the one saying about either go long or go big and yeah, okay. Thank you 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:20.800 Look into really doing it because if you want your sustainability you want your growth 00:13:20.800 --> 00:13:32.000 Put it someplace where it does have it and based on what I've seen at the North Lakes Park I 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:39.720 Don't think you'd really get your bang for your bucks and people wouldn't really be coming 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:42.760 so 00:13:42.760 --> 00:13:44.760 you know just 00:13:44.760 --> 00:13:52.560 Kind of of that, but do you agree on the dollar match ideas do you agree on? 00:13:52.560 --> 00:13:59.220 Having sufficient acreage out there. Maybe it's just because I don't know where the 00:13:59.220 --> 00:14:01.320 boundaries are 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:03.320 Yeah, so within our master plan 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:09.600 North Lakes Park Southwest Park which is we recently completed master plan does identify another location as 00:14:09.880 --> 00:14:16.720 As this future master plan to feature something of this scale as far as whether that will fit appropriately within North Lakes 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:24.120 That was something that we assessed beforehand checking that the area and confirming the square footage where we do seem that it's 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:30.660 Appropriate for this size in this scale of course there are I guess concerns when it comes to 00:14:30.660 --> 00:14:36.840 Mobility in the sense of the existing parking lot right, but those are opportunities that that we are looking to address 00:14:37.920 --> 00:14:39.760 separately aside from that 00:14:39.760 --> 00:14:42.480 But as far as what you see here to answer your initial 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:47.600 Comment with the master plan vision of Grand Prairie, so as you see just from this render here 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:50.460 This is a very big phased approach, so there's 00:14:50.460 --> 00:14:53.360 multi-phase probably eight phases 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:59.320 Within this development that first phase is just a small part. I'm not really familiar with the funding on the back end 00:14:59.320 --> 00:15:06.400 But they also do have dedicated funding sources through hop funds that do provide funding for that 00:15:06.560 --> 00:15:10.640 Which in this scenario, we don't necessarily have that established for this part 00:15:10.640 --> 00:15:21.520 Okay, interestingly enough. I'm looking at all of these wonderful structures, and they've got minimum our minimal 00:15:21.520 --> 00:15:27.520 Shade, but the one in Grand Prairie looks like it's got pretty much adequate shade 00:15:27.520 --> 00:15:31.820 We're talking about pretty much shading the whole playground 00:15:32.440 --> 00:15:36.720 That is something that we're looking at and we're gonna through the master plan stages 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:42.420 We are going to initiate this public engagement platform where the public will be able to initiate that 00:15:42.420 --> 00:15:47.880 Within our parks master plan shade is one of the top amenities that are being requested so that is something that we're considering 00:15:47.880 --> 00:15:56.280 When you visited the Grand Prairie what stood out to you the most when you were there and did staff describe 00:15:56.280 --> 00:16:01.460 Any changes in like the usage or the demographics they were seeing at this new park space? 00:16:02.040 --> 00:16:04.040 So this is a recently 00:16:04.040 --> 00:16:10.000 Established part it actually came got built during coded. So it's still using its its its 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:14.560 Magnitude is still out there and they're building just a bunch of stuff all around there 00:16:14.560 --> 00:16:21.540 But just a scale of the project and when you walk in I mean you see different types of of amenities 00:16:21.540 --> 00:16:27.800 There's different experiences the sensory factors to it kind of what we're speaking to they have a dedicated chalk wall 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:34.360 They have just all the different different aspects to it to have a dedicated swing set just specific for wheelchairs 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:39.320 So just the magnitude of it and with the epic next door 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:43.960 Just the name alone kind of speaks to the scale of projects that they're trying to build over there 00:16:43.960 --> 00:16:49.480 Not trying to say that that we're also going to get something to this scale, but we can 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:53.820 Find those solutions of what we like there and what the fence 00:16:53.820 --> 00:16:58.440 I said we went there last week and what we did is what is it that we like? 00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:03.260 What is it that we don't like and how can we maximize that here in Denton? So that's that's what we're looking at 00:17:03.260 --> 00:17:09.840 And you give us more detail on what 00:17:09.840 --> 00:17:15.040 Equipment would be there and whether or not there would be a splash pad included 00:17:15.040 --> 00:17:22.320 Yeah, so part of the sensory portion of this matter does include water 00:17:22.320 --> 00:17:24.520 I mean there's in me I could probably speak to this too 00:17:24.520 --> 00:17:31.880 But the cooling method of as you're playing we could probably have some misters where it cools down the kids as they're out there 00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:33.600 And it's just a different element 00:17:33.600 --> 00:17:39.240 So as far as whether it's actual splash pad is going to be featured that hasn't been discussed 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:42.160 But that could very well be something that happens through the engagement 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:48.760 But that is a different dollar amount. That's a little bit separate from from the playground here as you see here 00:17:49.320 --> 00:17:54.800 Seven point nine million for nine thousand square foot playground and eighteen thousand square foot splash pad for Mesa 00:17:54.800 --> 00:17:59.520 That's a big significant difference in cost just from that playground to that splash pad 00:17:59.520 --> 00:18:02.180 So that is something to consider as well 00:18:02.180 --> 00:18:06.360 but normally yes, there is a water component like 00:18:06.360 --> 00:18:09.040 Grapevine had two dolphins 00:18:09.040 --> 00:18:10.800 spraying each other 00:18:10.800 --> 00:18:18.440 At the entrance and the one in Southlake had the huge Southlake dragon that you push a button and it shoots out 00:18:18.840 --> 00:18:23.040 Water into a sandy area so you can not only play with the water part 00:18:23.040 --> 00:18:28.280 but you can play with us with the sand and then it also had little alcoves that you can hide and 00:18:28.280 --> 00:18:30.880 and 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:32.280 the one in 00:18:32.280 --> 00:18:34.000 Grand Prairie 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:38.720 Was like sectioned off in sections, so you just can't run from one to the other 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:44.600 which that was a nice design and in the fencing and the benches and the fake trees and 00:18:45.360 --> 00:18:49.760 The interior I mean the exterior as you're walking in and through the grand entrance 00:18:49.760 --> 00:18:56.040 It had like butterflies and different shapes of all the sponsors so everything that I just mentioned 00:18:56.040 --> 00:19:02.900 Had a sponsor name on it or could have a sponsor name on it, so it wasn't just your regular wood slats that 00:19:02.900 --> 00:19:09.560 You can't really see through they don't provide the the septet principles that we'd like to design now 00:19:09.560 --> 00:19:15.320 Which is crime prevention through environmental design as PDs driving by we'd like for them to see all the way 00:19:15.360 --> 00:19:18.020 Through to the back of anything. We're building now 00:19:18.020 --> 00:19:21.480 Mindy had a question 00:19:21.480 --> 00:19:27.400 Two quick questions the first one I know that you're and I think McKenna has 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:36.400 Adapted inclusive equipment already how many parks do we have that include elements of inclusivity already and then second follow-up question? 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:39.280 With Casey's Clubhouse. It was one of the first 00:19:40.520 --> 00:19:46.520 Inclusive playgrounds in the Metroplex, and it was really a draw for people outside of the city to come and visit 00:19:46.520 --> 00:19:52.040 Do you see this as being that type of facility especially right next to the ball fields? 00:19:52.040 --> 00:19:54.880 And is that sort of how you're designing it as well? 00:19:54.880 --> 00:20:03.280 To answer your first question all our playgrounds by law have to have accessibility ATA accessibility and the inclusiveness 00:20:03.280 --> 00:20:06.800 Comes along with that, but there's three levels of inclusiveness 00:20:06.800 --> 00:20:13.640 There's the accessibility and then inclusive playground and then universal design is the highest watch I should say 00:20:13.640 --> 00:20:16.480 ATA accessibility 00:20:16.480 --> 00:20:23.040 Inclusiveness and then universal design is the highest design form you can have which includes more options of 00:20:23.040 --> 00:20:25.760 not only 00:20:25.760 --> 00:20:30.240 People with physical disabilities, but more the mental disabilities and then 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:38.900 As far as your second question is is this going to be a draw for the region we hope so 00:20:38.900 --> 00:20:45.760 But more we're our focus is for the residents here in Denton since since we don't have anything like this to begin with is 00:20:45.760 --> 00:20:52.160 Have the schools visit have families visit and then 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:57.920 Our own programs they have meals programs and and you know Mia 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:02.800 Can you speak a little bit about your programs that you have now just real quick? I know we have ten minutes 00:21:02.800 --> 00:21:06.840 Yeah, so currently we have programs for 00:21:06.840 --> 00:21:11.240 Youth through adult so we serve five to eighty five years old 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:14.760 We currently have about 300 people that attend our programs throughout the year 00:21:14.760 --> 00:21:18.040 We offer everything from sports to art to technology classes 00:21:18.040 --> 00:21:25.120 Educational classes socials everything and where a lot of our programs are based out of is there at North Lakes rec center 00:21:25.160 --> 00:21:28.600 So this park is one that we utilize often 00:21:28.600 --> 00:21:34.840 So it would be great, you know to have it locally and of course the plan is to expand those programs throughout the city 00:21:34.840 --> 00:21:36.640 So then that way they're not 00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:40.760 Just at North Lakes, but of course it does help out that that's kind of our hub right now 00:21:40.760 --> 00:21:43.360 Let's do two more questions 00:21:43.360 --> 00:21:46.620 We have one here and if we have another one and just another note that we have 00:21:46.620 --> 00:21:52.880 Parking lot questions too if you want to ask additional questions to be answered as a follow-up and we're gonna have another 00:21:53.120 --> 00:21:55.120 conversation time after small group I 00:21:55.120 --> 00:22:02.440 Wanted to kind of address miss Julianne's comment. I live right by North Lakes 00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:03.980 I don't know if you all know me or not 00:22:03.980 --> 00:22:11.360 But I'm your wildlife rehabilitator very familiar with all the trails at North Lake very involved in that whole community up there 00:22:11.360 --> 00:22:17.480 I'm here to tell you you build this they will come and I think this is going to be one of the shining stars 00:22:17.520 --> 00:22:23.880 That this bond committee does is bring not just inclusivity and accessibility to our parks 00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:30.440 But I'm going for universal. I advocated for it on the 2019 bond committee that we do that for McKenna 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:31.440 We didn't get there 00:22:31.440 --> 00:22:38.480 But we almost did if we're going to have a population of a hundred eighty five thousand people in the city of Denton by the end 00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:41.000 Of this year when you think of all the new schools 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:45.760 We're building when you think of all of the wonderful new people that are coming to our fabulous city 00:22:46.120 --> 00:22:48.120 What do we want to show them? 00:22:48.120 --> 00:22:55.960 That they are welcome that their kids will be safe and that we have the most outstanding program in the entire Metroplex 00:22:55.960 --> 00:22:58.080 Let's do this 00:22:58.080 --> 00:23:00.400 Okay, one more question 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:03.560 So I think that it will wind up being a regional draw 00:23:03.560 --> 00:23:06.760 I know people outside of then who if this came, you know 00:23:06.760 --> 00:23:13.400 They're currently going to an inclusive playgrounds much farther away who'd wind up coming here instead. Are there any plans to? 00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:18.520 Like the the area where the North Lakes playground is right now is 00:23:18.520 --> 00:23:21.400 fairly 00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:26.880 Isolated there's not businesses nearby. There's like no place to go and maybe get a meal afterwards 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:30.480 That's directly nearby. Are there any plans to do anything with that? I 00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:37.440 Have to get back with you on that know you from there you can go down and hit University and the torches tacos and all 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:43.880 But as far as our project with this bond that's not even 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:46.680 question, but oh I 00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:51.520 Could say that with the increase in trails and just connectivity within the park system 00:23:51.520 --> 00:23:57.200 That's something that could easily be attainable just within mobility with with razor ranch just being nearby 00:23:57.200 --> 00:24:04.000 So those are opportunities that we're also looking to expand outside of this project just increasing the trails system 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:07.040 Again kind of back to the kind of last week's conversation 00:24:07.040 --> 00:24:12.920 But just to answer that that question that that could very well be something that could happen just with 00:24:13.120 --> 00:24:18.120 Increase in trails and such. All right, let's jump into our small groups for a little bit of reflection and 00:24:18.120 --> 00:24:24.600 Additional conversation and then we'll come back and wrap it up with a large group conversation for move on to our next one 00:24:43.120 --> 00:24:45.120 , right? 00:25:13.120 --> 00:25:15.120 , right? 00:25:43.120 --> 00:25:45.120 , right? 00:26:13.120 --> 00:26:15.120 , right? 00:26:43.120 --> 00:26:45.120 , right? 00:27:14.120 --> 00:27:16.120 I 00:27:44.120 --> 00:27:45.120 , right? 00:28:13.120 --> 00:28:15.120 [inaudible] 00:28:43.120 --> 00:28:45.120 We're still part of the project 00:28:45.120 --> 00:28:47.120 [inaudible] 00:28:47.120 --> 00:28:49.120 [inaudible] 00:28:49.120 --> 00:28:51.120 [inaudible] 00:28:51.120 --> 00:28:53.120 [inaudible] 00:28:53.120 --> 00:28:55.120 [inaudible] 00:28:55.120 --> 00:28:57.120 [inaudible] 00:28:57.120 --> 00:28:59.120 [inaudible] 00:28:59.120 --> 00:29:01.120 [inaudible] 00:29:01.120 --> 00:29:03.120 [inaudible] 00:29:03.120 --> 00:29:05.120 [inaudible] 00:29:05.120 --> 00:29:07.120 [inaudible] 00:29:07.120 --> 00:29:09.120 Yeah, where does this put you relative? 00:29:09.120 --> 00:29:11.120 [inaudible] 00:29:11.120 --> 00:29:14.120 (people chattering) 00:29:41.120 --> 00:29:44.120 (people chattering) 00:30:11.120 --> 00:30:14.120 (people chattering) 00:30:14.120 --> 00:30:26.640 - Let's take another couple minutes 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:28.640 and then we'll return to the big group. 00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:31.640 (people chattering) 00:30:42.120 --> 00:30:45.120 (people chattering) 00:31:11.120 --> 00:31:14.120 (people chattering) 00:31:40.780 --> 00:31:43.480 Go ahead and wrap up your final comments. 00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:46.480 (people chattering) 00:31:46.480 --> 00:32:02.440 All right, so let's, 00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:07.280 a lot of animated discussion on this one, which is awesome. 00:32:07.280 --> 00:32:10.320 Anyone care to share anything else? 00:32:10.320 --> 00:32:11.640 Maybe it came out of your small group 00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:14.280 or anything else that you hasn't got touched on. 00:32:14.280 --> 00:32:17.160 I am curious 'cause it felt like 00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:20.200 as part of the back and forth during the Q&A, 00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:22.520 there seemed to be some inclination to say, 00:32:22.520 --> 00:32:25.800 let's push further towards a bigger project, 00:32:25.800 --> 00:32:27.200 it sounded like, in some cases, 00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.160 and then others had more reservations. 00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:32.240 So I'm curious, as we think through that, 00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.800 that's probably gotta be a consideration of this group. 00:32:34.800 --> 00:32:38.760 - Are there any renderings 00:32:38.760 --> 00:32:41.120 as to what this 3.45 will be? 00:32:41.120 --> 00:32:43.620 Like, how did we get there? 00:32:43.620 --> 00:32:44.620 - Not at the moment. 00:32:44.620 --> 00:32:50.440 We are working to gain 30% of renderings 00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:52.040 up to the bond vote. 00:32:52.040 --> 00:32:55.160 And if the bond passes, if this project passes, 00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:57.040 then we'll move to 100%. 00:32:57.040 --> 00:32:59.080 - Isn't it easier to sell? 00:32:59.080 --> 00:33:01.280 You can tell the public what-- 00:33:01.280 --> 00:33:04.320 - We're working on it, but at this moment, there is none. 00:33:04.320 --> 00:33:07.160 We're using other comps around the city, 00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:09.020 the North Texas area. 00:33:09.020 --> 00:33:11.880 - So I think she's giving a little marketing tip. 00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:13.040 (laughing) 00:33:13.040 --> 00:33:13.880 - Noted. 00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:16.600 - Let's make it look nice. 00:33:16.600 --> 00:33:20.300 - So how did you arrive at the 3.45 number? 00:33:20.300 --> 00:33:25.720 - It was based on our current contracts. 00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:28.560 - Which included? 00:33:28.560 --> 00:33:32.680 - I just wanted to clarify. 00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:36.520 We haven't spent any funding on the design portions 00:33:36.520 --> 00:33:37.660 of these projects yet 00:33:37.660 --> 00:33:40.420 because they haven't gone through this committee. 00:33:40.420 --> 00:33:41.880 We don't know where the committee 00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:44.160 is gonna land on the projects. 00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:45.500 So I just wanna clarify, 00:33:45.500 --> 00:33:47.800 that's one of the reasons you're not seeing designs, 00:33:47.800 --> 00:33:49.800 you're not seeing a lot of renderings, 00:33:49.800 --> 00:33:53.400 because we have not gone through that design process. 00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:55.680 If these projects go through the committee 00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:58.000 and come out with the recommendation, 00:33:58.000 --> 00:33:59.720 then we will start the design process 00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:01.520 as we move into the vote. 00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:07.400 - Okay, we'll come back. 00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:11.120 - What do you hope to have? 00:34:11.120 --> 00:34:13.660 Do you have a list of all the different things 00:34:13.660 --> 00:34:15.720 that you would hope to include in the park 00:34:15.720 --> 00:34:17.680 that we could maybe see or look at 00:34:17.680 --> 00:34:19.320 so that we could get a better idea 00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:22.160 of just sort of the types of equipment 00:34:22.160 --> 00:34:24.840 and the different features that you guys would like? 00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:26.720 - Sure, we can provide a list. 00:34:26.720 --> 00:34:29.820 There's many, and they're expensive. 00:34:29.820 --> 00:34:35.040 - Let's go there and then get a question back here. 00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:36.720 - Yes. 00:34:36.720 --> 00:34:37.540 - Speaking of the list, 00:34:37.540 --> 00:34:40.520 what does your parking plan look like for parking? 00:34:40.520 --> 00:34:42.320 Because parking at that current park 00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:44.600 when there's tournaments on Saturdays, 00:34:44.600 --> 00:34:46.240 there's football and soccer games. 00:34:46.240 --> 00:34:48.520 I literally have driven around for over 30 minutes 00:34:48.520 --> 00:34:49.960 looking for a parking spot. 00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:52.520 If we're gonna make it bigger, 00:34:52.520 --> 00:34:54.760 we're gonna need a bigger parking lot on both sides, 00:34:54.760 --> 00:34:57.760 one where the tournaments are and where the parks are. 00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:07.240 - So in here, CIP did evaluate the parking 00:35:07.240 --> 00:35:08.800 with ADA assessment. 00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:10.560 And with their funding, 00:35:10.560 --> 00:35:12.440 they're gonna address the parking at this area 00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:15.420 and the access to the site. 00:35:15.420 --> 00:35:17.840 We did talk to them about it and they're on board. 00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:19.080 So thank you all. 00:35:19.080 --> 00:35:22.520 - Couple of things. 00:35:22.520 --> 00:35:27.560 One, are we thinking about just little kids 00:35:27.560 --> 00:35:32.560 or are we thinking about adults or larger children? 00:35:33.240 --> 00:35:37.000 Who could participate and use these facilities? 00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:41.360 And my second comment is I'm a little concerned 00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:44.160 that we may be a little too short-sighted 00:35:44.160 --> 00:35:45.960 and that perhaps we should really be looking 00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:48.600 for another park similar 00:35:48.600 --> 00:35:50.800 at another location within the city. 00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:54.760 - Yes, we are looking at all those things, 00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:56.720 especially not only for the adults 00:35:56.720 --> 00:35:59.680 that can visit this kind of playground, 00:35:59.680 --> 00:36:01.080 but for the caregivers. 00:36:01.080 --> 00:36:04.560 Universal design includes spaces for the caregivers. 00:36:04.560 --> 00:36:08.400 For an example, an embankment slide or any other slide, 00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:10.880 they have to hold them as they go down the slide. 00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:12.720 So we need spaces for that. 00:36:12.720 --> 00:36:14.480 And then we didn't even mention that 00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:17.760 people that use in these parks, 00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:19.840 we have to retrofit the restroom 00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:22.440 to have an adult-size changing table 00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:25.320 or changing area for them as well. 00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:30.320 So all these items that include in universal design, 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:32.840 we've been talking about them for a while 00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:34.360 since this came up. 00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:36.280 That's what we've been visiting and seeing what works, 00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:38.520 what doesn't work, talking to other directors, 00:36:38.520 --> 00:36:40.160 other city managers. 00:36:40.160 --> 00:36:45.360 And I've built a couple myself in my previous job, 00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:49.360 but I'm really looking forward to having this one built here 00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:50.640 for the citizens of Denton. 00:36:50.640 --> 00:36:52.560 - Let's do this. 00:36:52.560 --> 00:36:56.200 - And I'm sorry, in the Southwest Park Master Plan, 00:36:56.200 --> 00:37:01.200 also there's a space in that when that comes on 00:37:01.200 --> 00:37:03.440 so it's for the South side of town. 00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:05.400 - Just wanted to clarify on the parking piece. 00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:07.760 So the ADA assessment that we did did not, 00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:10.080 the scope is not expanding any of that parking. 00:37:10.080 --> 00:37:12.920 It's fixing the parking lot since it's old 00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:14.720 up to meet current standards. 00:37:14.720 --> 00:37:21.800 - Go ahead, Mandy. 00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:25.000 - Just looking at the project as you've laid it out, 00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:27.560 is there a way to have any sort of a ballpark estimate 00:37:27.560 --> 00:37:29.640 of what, knowing the age of the playground, 00:37:29.640 --> 00:37:32.000 if you were to just replace it as is 00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:33.280 with a standard playground, 00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:34.760 what would that cost look like 00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:37.480 versus what would the design proposal 00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:39.320 that you're putting forth look like? 00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:42.920 - I'd have to get that number 00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:47.240 'cause it would include probably more shade 00:37:47.240 --> 00:37:49.320 that every time we have public engagements 00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:52.000 at almost every special event or wherever we're at, 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:54.480 soliciting an online and undiscussed then, 00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:56.840 shade's a big item. 00:37:56.840 --> 00:38:00.200 And then we'd have to repair some of the ADA stuff 00:38:00.200 --> 00:38:03.600 that's within that area if we don't touch the footprint, 00:38:03.600 --> 00:38:08.720 probably add some irrigation and some other amenities. 00:38:08.720 --> 00:38:11.520 So I'd have to get that number, an estimate. 00:38:11.520 --> 00:38:17.120 - So a comment first and then a question. 00:38:17.120 --> 00:38:21.560 I'm hearing a lot of interest about the sponsorships 00:38:21.560 --> 00:38:23.560 and the partnership with the community 00:38:23.560 --> 00:38:24.400 and all that kind of stuff, 00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:25.240 especially when you're talking 00:38:25.240 --> 00:38:27.080 about a pretty expensive facility. 00:38:27.080 --> 00:38:30.880 So it seems like definitely something to explore, 00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:35.000 especially with our parks foundation, those folks. 00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:38.920 The question is, are we factoring in ongoing maintenance costs? 00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:41.000 So some of these, this is really specialized equipment. 00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:43.800 It's not normal off the shelf kind of stuff. 00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:46.240 And then also, one of my favorite parts about it 00:38:46.240 --> 00:38:49.760 is that kids of different ability levels can play together. 00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:51.800 But I know when my kids go places like this, 00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:55.120 they use the equipment in ways it's not supposed to be used 00:38:55.120 --> 00:38:57.520 'cause it's not familiar to them and 'cause they're kids. 00:38:57.520 --> 00:39:00.800 So I would expect higher maintenance costs 00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:01.800 for something like this. 00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:03.440 And are we, and you're talking about misters 00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:05.440 and all this different special stuff, 00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:07.920 are we building those costs in, are we planning for those? 00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:11.400 Do we know our ability to cover those maintenance costs? 00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:16.000 - Yeah, we have. 00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:20.560 But most of this stuff is built industrialized. 00:39:20.560 --> 00:39:23.560 So to give you one example of what I built previously, 00:39:23.560 --> 00:39:27.520 I built a 16,000 square foot all-inclusive playground 00:39:27.520 --> 00:39:29.040 in my previous city. 00:39:29.040 --> 00:39:32.280 And instead of using, well, five bars out, 00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:34.320 the surfacing the wood chips, 00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:37.240 but instead of using the rubber or any other type, 00:39:37.240 --> 00:39:40.200 we used a specialized synthetic turf 00:39:40.200 --> 00:39:43.200 that only one manufacturer makes in the nation right now. 00:39:43.200 --> 00:39:45.920 And it has copper woven properties into it 00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:47.840 that is grounded to the ground 00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:52.720 so you don't get static electricity that won't short out 00:39:52.720 --> 00:39:55.080 any devices that you would be wearing, 00:39:55.080 --> 00:39:57.880 cochlear implants or pacemakers or anything like that. 00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:01.280 But not only that, there's a huge benefit 00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:05.080 that that surfacing is a 15-year warranty surfacing. 00:40:05.080 --> 00:40:06.560 So if anything happens to it, 00:40:06.560 --> 00:40:08.600 if it gets burned or gets whatever, 00:40:08.600 --> 00:40:09.920 they come and replace it. 00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:11.600 So we're looking at items like that 00:40:11.600 --> 00:40:13.840 to incorporate into this project 00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:16.600 and stuff that I've used in the past as well. 00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:19.520 - Howdy. 00:40:19.520 --> 00:40:22.400 - How much is in the Parks Foundation fund these days? 00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:24.960 - That's a good question. 00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:29.120 Yeah, we'll have to get back to you on that one. 00:40:29.120 --> 00:40:33.760 - Let's do two more questions or comments. 00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:34.600 We got 'em. 00:40:34.600 --> 00:40:42.120 - I noticed that you visited cities in different states. 00:40:42.120 --> 00:40:46.560 Does the city of Denton have a list of benchmark cities 00:40:46.560 --> 00:40:49.120 that you usually visit? 00:40:49.120 --> 00:40:51.720 Or you just decide which park facility 00:40:51.720 --> 00:40:54.240 you'd like to emulate and then you go there? 00:40:54.240 --> 00:40:56.320 - Well, we visited the ones in Texas, 00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:57.920 in North Texas around us. 00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:00.720 We didn't, to clarify, we didn't go out of state. 00:41:00.720 --> 00:41:05.320 But the more, the newer cities, 00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:08.680 the more larger, newest projects that are out there 00:41:08.680 --> 00:41:12.280 that we hear from our colleagues when we go to conferences 00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:15.480 or just when we're meeting up or through the design firms, 00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:17.640 they say, "Hey, go visit here, go visit there." 00:41:17.640 --> 00:41:20.880 They got good ideas that you may wanna incorporate, 00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:22.520 so we do that. 00:41:22.520 --> 00:41:24.800 And we talk, amongst our cities, we talk a lot, 00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:26.760 'cause I'm 24 years in myself, 00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:30.520 and I know a bunch of other cities that we do the same. 00:41:30.520 --> 00:41:32.560 - So there isn't a list? 00:41:32.560 --> 00:41:33.960 - No, ma'am, not an official list. 00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:35.760 We just speak amongst ourselves 00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:39.040 and send a group email, so. 00:41:39.040 --> 00:41:43.000 - Yeah, just as a comment for the group, 00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:45.880 I drive a special needs school bus in my day job, 00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:49.560 and so I have a student who uses a wheelchair, 00:41:49.560 --> 00:41:52.480 and on the days, like once every couple of weeks, 00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:53.960 where he gets to go to something like this, 00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:55.880 'cause it's such a long trip for him right now, 00:41:55.880 --> 00:41:58.040 he comes back and he keeps talking about it 00:41:58.040 --> 00:41:58.880 for like two days. 00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:00.880 He's very excited, he wants his dad to tell me 00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:03.000 about what he did on the playground. 00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:05.120 It's just something that is very special, I think, 00:42:05.120 --> 00:42:06.320 for a lot of these kids. 00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:09.520 - Great, okay. 00:42:09.520 --> 00:42:14.120 Well, good questions, great conversation. 00:42:14.120 --> 00:42:15.560 Let's keep moving. 00:42:15.560 --> 00:42:17.440 The next topic is on aquatics. 00:42:39.520 --> 00:42:42.360 (water splashing) 00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:46.640 - Hello, good evening. 00:42:46.640 --> 00:42:49.240 Nikki Sassenes, assistant director of Parks and Recreation, 00:42:49.240 --> 00:42:50.080 the other one. 00:42:50.080 --> 00:42:51.880 I get to do all the fun things. 00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:54.120 Fence builds it all, and then I put people in it. 00:42:54.120 --> 00:42:57.120 So I also wanna introduce our staff member here. 00:42:57.120 --> 00:42:59.840 She is our program area manager for aquatics. 00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:01.440 Her name is Monica Martens. 00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:03.320 So she's really the subject matter expert. 00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:05.120 I just get to give the presentation. 00:43:05.120 --> 00:43:08.720 So aquatic improvements. 00:43:08.720 --> 00:43:10.640 We have several different aquatic facilities 00:43:10.640 --> 00:43:12.600 within the city of Denton, 00:43:12.600 --> 00:43:14.280 but the one we're focusing on right now 00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:15.760 is Waterworks Park. 00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:19.440 It opened in 2003 and features a lazy river. 00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:22.560 We have a slide tower with four different slides. 00:43:22.560 --> 00:43:24.120 There's a children's place feature, 00:43:24.120 --> 00:43:26.560 which you can see there, it's kinda small. 00:43:26.560 --> 00:43:29.920 And then we have had a few expansions and renovations 00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:31.960 since it opened in 2003. 00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:35.140 We added cabanas in 2016, which provides some shade, 00:43:35.140 --> 00:43:36.920 which is always in high demand. 00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:38.920 We added the wave pool in 2017, 00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:42.280 and then a concessions kitchen in 2018. 00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:44.200 And we have a video to show you. 00:43:44.200 --> 00:43:54.160 (upbeat music) 00:43:54.160 --> 00:43:55.920 Aquatic improvements. 00:43:55.920 --> 00:44:00.480 Opened in 2003, Waterworks Park features a lazy river, 00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:05.520 a slide tower, a children's play structure, 00:44:05.520 --> 00:44:07.720 and a sand volleyball court. 00:44:07.720 --> 00:44:11.140 With upgrades in 2017 and 2018, 00:44:11.140 --> 00:44:14.560 this park has served residents for over 20 years. 00:44:14.560 --> 00:44:17.960 But the infrastructure is worn and nearing end of life. 00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:21.800 Equipment and play features need updating to avoid failure, 00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:24.640 especially during key operational times. 00:44:24.640 --> 00:44:27.560 User expectations and desires have changed 00:44:27.560 --> 00:44:30.320 as technology and play features have evolved. 00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:33.640 As Denton grows, park spaces must also grow. 00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:38.940 (upbeat music) 00:45:06.520 --> 00:45:11.520 So some performance measures from summer of 2022. 00:45:11.520 --> 00:45:15.000 We had almost 80,000 in total attendance for the summer. 00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:18.520 Over 2000 memberships sold, 91 days of operation. 00:45:18.520 --> 00:45:22.620 And again, this facility is over 20 years old now. 00:45:22.620 --> 00:45:26.100 So planning today for tomorrow. 00:45:26.100 --> 00:45:28.120 That's kind of a theme in Parks and Recreation. 00:45:28.120 --> 00:45:30.760 We try to do as much as we can 00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:33.480 to maximize everything that we have. 00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:35.680 The Parks and Recreation Trail System Master Plan 00:45:35.680 --> 00:45:38.720 was adopted by Council in March of 2022. 00:45:38.720 --> 00:45:40.880 And one of the objectives it outlines 00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:43.800 is to implement recommendations and improvements 00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:45.400 to Waterworks Park. 00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:48.120 We started a aquatics facility master plan, 00:45:48.120 --> 00:45:49.560 still in the draft right now. 00:45:49.560 --> 00:45:53.500 We kicked off that project in September of 2022. 00:45:53.500 --> 00:45:56.780 The process for that looks at what we have 00:45:56.780 --> 00:45:58.240 in our overall system. 00:45:58.240 --> 00:46:00.480 What condition our current facilities are. 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:02.540 So it wasn't just focusing on Waterworks Park, 00:46:02.540 --> 00:46:04.880 it was looking at the community as a whole. 00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:07.440 It did look at other surrounding cities. 00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:09.240 We looked at some demographics, 00:46:09.240 --> 00:46:10.720 benchmarking with surrounding cities. 00:46:10.720 --> 00:46:13.320 Someone asked about benchmarking. 00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:16.600 And then we looked, we did get feedback from the community 00:46:16.600 --> 00:46:17.880 and different stakeholder groups. 00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:18.960 What are their needs? 00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:20.020 What are their desires? 00:46:20.020 --> 00:46:21.280 What are their wants? 00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:24.000 So based on all of that and the planned growth for the city, 00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:25.960 which we've heard a lot about, 00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:29.680 trends, industry standards within aquatics, 00:46:29.680 --> 00:46:31.520 they put together a recommendation 00:46:31.520 --> 00:46:32.840 and a presentation of findings. 00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:34.640 So we're hoping to take this to council 00:46:34.640 --> 00:46:37.120 in September of '23 for adoption. 00:46:37.120 --> 00:46:39.780 But this would really guide our aquatics programs 00:46:39.780 --> 00:46:41.180 over the next 10 years. 00:46:41.180 --> 00:46:46.020 So some of the findings from that aquatics master plan, 00:46:46.020 --> 00:46:47.680 we need to enhance offerings 00:46:47.680 --> 00:46:49.680 and reinvest in Waterworks Park. 00:46:49.680 --> 00:46:52.520 Indoor, lap lanes, programmable space, 00:46:52.520 --> 00:46:55.120 and year-round aquatic access. 00:46:55.120 --> 00:46:57.320 Plans to address the Civic Center Pool, 00:46:57.320 --> 00:46:59.800 which is also one of our aging infrastructures. 00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:02.440 And then access to seasonal aquatics 00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:04.160 and year-round aquatics in the south side 00:47:04.160 --> 00:47:05.980 as that area continues to grow. 00:47:05.980 --> 00:47:08.520 So a lot of these things are being addressed in other ways. 00:47:08.520 --> 00:47:10.980 We have the downtown master plan, Quaker Town Master Plan 00:47:10.980 --> 00:47:13.240 coming on to address the Civic Center Pool. 00:47:13.240 --> 00:47:15.220 We are talking with different partners, 00:47:15.220 --> 00:47:16.860 possible opportunities. 00:47:16.860 --> 00:47:19.640 And as then continues to grow south, 00:47:19.640 --> 00:47:22.060 we can address those other recommendations. 00:47:22.060 --> 00:47:24.780 But the primary focus of this ask right now 00:47:24.780 --> 00:47:26.960 is to enhance the offerings and reinvestment 00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:27.980 in Waterworks Park. 00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:32.680 So as I said, we also talked to the community 00:47:32.680 --> 00:47:34.240 and wanna get feedback from you 00:47:34.240 --> 00:47:36.160 because you are the user group. 00:47:36.160 --> 00:47:39.640 So our 2022 end of season survey, 00:47:39.640 --> 00:47:42.920 our top three responses are upgraded restrooms, 00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:44.760 more shade, and new attractions. 00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:47.860 Those are always the top three requested items. 00:47:47.860 --> 00:47:53.680 So those actually touch on some of our challenges now. 00:47:53.680 --> 00:47:55.320 So again, I mentioned this again, 00:47:55.320 --> 00:47:57.620 our facility is 20 years old. 00:47:57.620 --> 00:47:58.920 And you may say, well, I've been there, 00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:00.960 I've seen it recently or had friends visit, 00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:02.560 it doesn't look that bad to me. 00:48:02.560 --> 00:48:05.660 Similar to the senior center. 00:48:05.660 --> 00:48:07.000 I'll have to give our staff credit, 00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:09.920 they do a really good job of maintaining what we have. 00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:12.640 They clean it well, they make things last. 00:48:12.640 --> 00:48:15.840 And Tom Klimko is our aquatics technician manager, 00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:17.820 and he and his team do a great job 00:48:17.820 --> 00:48:19.840 of getting the most life out of what we have 00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:21.880 and preserving it and maintaining it. 00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:24.420 But we are reaching our 20 year life cycle, 00:48:24.420 --> 00:48:26.240 and that is the projected life cycle 00:48:26.240 --> 00:48:29.640 for most of the equipment and buildings out there. 00:48:29.640 --> 00:48:32.320 You can see we've had some settling issues 00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:35.360 with some smoothing of the structure. 00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:37.800 Our water treatment system and circulation equipment, 00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:39.280 which is essential for treating 00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:41.560 and keeping the water safe for users, 00:48:41.560 --> 00:48:44.000 is nearing the end of its life cycle. 00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:48.960 We have some other challenges, just operationally. 00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:50.600 Again, things you don't see as the public, 00:48:50.600 --> 00:48:53.360 but that we experience as staff and have to work through. 00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:57.100 Our admissions office is small and undersized. 00:48:57.100 --> 00:48:58.920 We are required to count down money, 00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:01.000 and our Randy's in the room now, 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:03.040 in a secure and safe position. 00:49:03.040 --> 00:49:06.180 And we have one entrance into our admissions office, 00:49:06.180 --> 00:49:08.120 and it's right through that secure space. 00:49:08.120 --> 00:49:10.960 So there's not a secure area to be able to count that down 00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:13.800 all the time as people are coming and going. 00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:16.560 We have a first aid office slash guard room. 00:49:16.560 --> 00:49:18.360 You can see in the picture there. 00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:22.300 That office space was built to house two guards 00:49:22.300 --> 00:49:24.800 when they're rotating and one manager. 00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:26.500 Well, then we added on the wave pool 00:49:26.500 --> 00:49:29.680 and the addition of staff to be able to accommodate that. 00:49:29.680 --> 00:49:31.840 Now we have to have seven guards in there. 00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:33.480 And it's small, there's no place for them 00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:37.300 to keep their equipment or their personal belongings. 00:49:37.300 --> 00:49:40.120 So if they come and they're working an eight hour shift, 00:49:40.120 --> 00:49:43.140 they have water bottles with them, their lunch. 00:49:43.140 --> 00:49:44.440 It's very tight in there. 00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:47.120 During COVID, there was no place to space out. 00:49:47.120 --> 00:49:48.320 So those are some of the challenges 00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:49.160 that we're working through. 00:49:49.160 --> 00:49:51.900 And when it's hot outside, they go through their rotations, 00:49:51.900 --> 00:49:54.600 and part of their rotation to keep them refreshed 00:49:54.600 --> 00:49:57.000 is they get to spend about 15 minutes in there 00:49:57.000 --> 00:49:58.700 during their rotation. 00:49:58.700 --> 00:50:00.040 But there's not a lot of room for them 00:50:00.040 --> 00:50:01.480 to be able to do that. 00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:04.400 Similarly, they have to be able to respond 00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:06.240 if there's an emergency situation. 00:50:06.240 --> 00:50:07.760 Everyone in the guard room is expected 00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:09.560 to help respond to that situation. 00:50:09.560 --> 00:50:11.960 So they can't go leave and walk into the auditorium 00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:13.900 to go get their lunch or whatever they had, 00:50:13.900 --> 00:50:15.880 their personal effects from over there. 00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:17.680 So they're required to stay in that area. 00:50:17.680 --> 00:50:20.000 And again, it's not very functional. 00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:21.800 That's also our first aid room. 00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:24.120 So if you need first aid rendered to you, 00:50:24.120 --> 00:50:26.320 you go in there, and it's not very private, 00:50:26.320 --> 00:50:28.160 and we have to kick all our guards out 00:50:28.160 --> 00:50:30.380 to help render you first aid. 00:50:30.380 --> 00:50:32.640 So that's some challenges there. 00:50:32.640 --> 00:50:34.740 The bath house, what we call the bath house, 00:50:34.740 --> 00:50:36.520 this is a restroom, is aging. 00:50:36.520 --> 00:50:39.320 It doesn't really meet the requirements now 00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:40.680 from the public. 00:50:40.680 --> 00:50:43.360 There's one big changing area that you go in. 00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:44.880 So if you have a family and you're trying 00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:46.700 to change your kids, you're out there 00:50:46.700 --> 00:50:48.720 in the middle of everyone. 00:50:48.720 --> 00:50:50.480 Our showers aren't very appealing, 00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:53.080 and we just have some other challenges in there. 00:50:53.080 --> 00:50:56.160 We upgraded, the facilities team upgraded 00:50:56.160 --> 00:51:01.160 a lot of the facility toilets, fountains, sinks, soaps, 00:51:01.160 --> 00:51:07.240 to hands-free during COVID just for sanitary purposes. 00:51:07.240 --> 00:51:09.320 We're not able to do that at the water park 00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:11.640 because all of the plumbing was inside the wall. 00:51:11.640 --> 00:51:13.940 So it requires a complete renovation. 00:51:13.940 --> 00:51:15.520 So we still have the manual flush, 00:51:15.520 --> 00:51:17.820 which some people choose not to use. 00:51:20.720 --> 00:51:23.080 Some other current challenges, our security system, 00:51:23.080 --> 00:51:25.200 PA system, again, they're aging, 00:51:25.200 --> 00:51:27.320 technology's wearing out. 00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:29.640 The public address system is important 00:51:29.640 --> 00:51:31.680 when we have emergencies, weather updates, 00:51:31.680 --> 00:51:34.560 those sorts of things, so we do need to upgrade that. 00:51:34.560 --> 00:51:37.040 No passive water or flat water. 00:51:37.040 --> 00:51:39.480 We don't have an area for people just to hang out 00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:41.200 or to do programming in. 00:51:41.200 --> 00:51:44.480 Learn to swim, swimming laps. 00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:46.440 So we do want to address that in this. 00:51:48.200 --> 00:51:50.560 There's also a high demand for shade and seating. 00:51:50.560 --> 00:51:52.680 Again, it's Texas, it's hot when you're out there. 00:51:52.680 --> 00:51:54.760 We have very limited shade and seating. 00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:56.360 When people come to the water park, 00:51:56.360 --> 00:51:57.480 yes, you're in there for the water, 00:51:57.480 --> 00:51:59.120 but they want a shaded place to go 00:51:59.120 --> 00:52:02.160 and maybe eat their lunch or cool down or dry off. 00:52:02.160 --> 00:52:04.360 And we don't have a lot of that out there. 00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:07.040 So, and again, we just wanted to keep up 00:52:07.040 --> 00:52:09.280 with industry trends, expectations 00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:12.040 from the population and desires. 00:52:12.040 --> 00:52:14.280 There's a picture there of a larger place structure 00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:16.480 that is, if you remember the picture from before, 00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:18.840 our place structure is small, again, it's aging. 00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:20.000 It's 20 years old. 00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:22.840 So the parts there need to be replaced 00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:24.240 and we want to take this opportunity 00:52:24.240 --> 00:52:25.920 to make a larger place structure 00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:28.480 to help address the growth that we're experiencing 00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:30.160 and be able to serve more people. 00:52:30.160 --> 00:52:37.120 So the proposal for aquatics is $15 million 00:52:37.120 --> 00:52:38.720 for improvements and expansions 00:52:38.720 --> 00:52:40.360 that would help address all of the issues 00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:41.560 that we listed there. 00:52:41.560 --> 00:52:45.960 Admissions, bathhouse, guard room, filtration, renovation, 00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:48.280 a new and larger children's structure, 00:52:48.280 --> 00:52:51.120 and then indoor multipurpose rooms 00:52:51.120 --> 00:52:54.360 and leisure programming space and shade additions. 00:52:54.360 --> 00:52:56.080 We do have kind of a rendering here, again, 00:52:56.080 --> 00:52:58.480 working through the Aquatics Master Plan. 00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:03.200 The consultant provided us with a kind of a conceptual idea. 00:53:03.200 --> 00:53:04.800 So this is not exactly what it would look like. 00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:07.440 We haven't gone through any designs, as Cassie mentioned, 00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:09.720 but we have kind of an idea of what we would want 00:53:09.720 --> 00:53:12.160 and a basic opinion of probable costs, 00:53:12.160 --> 00:53:14.360 which is where we got the $15 million from. 00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:18.160 And I'll take any questions. 00:53:18.160 --> 00:53:22.280 - All right, let's start with Lauren. 00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:26.880 - Thanks, Nikki. 00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:28.040 Two questions. 00:53:28.040 --> 00:53:30.040 First of all, of the $15 million, 00:53:30.040 --> 00:53:31.720 are you able to give us a breakdown 00:53:31.720 --> 00:53:33.920 of what replacing the water components 00:53:33.920 --> 00:53:36.240 versus putting in new programming would look like 00:53:36.240 --> 00:53:37.800 in terms of that $15 million? 00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:39.880 - We do have that. 00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:41.960 It's a lot of concrete work, 00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:44.320 and so some of those overall construction costs 00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:45.720 are built into the overall. 00:53:45.720 --> 00:53:48.440 So it's hard to kind of parse out each one. 00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:52.040 But we can share that with you 00:53:52.040 --> 00:53:53.360 with what the consultant gave us. 00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:55.440 It'll be included in the Aquatics Master Plan. 00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:58.520 But it's hard to pinpoint, okay, this specific project, 00:53:58.520 --> 00:54:03.080 because there's all the other grading concrete work 00:54:03.080 --> 00:54:05.200 that would be split among quite a few 00:54:05.200 --> 00:54:06.320 of the different projects. 00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:08.120 - And then how, with the expansion 00:54:08.120 --> 00:54:09.400 that you guys are talking about, 00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:11.200 what is the staffing needs for this? 00:54:11.200 --> 00:54:13.080 How many lifeguards are you gonna have to have? 00:54:13.080 --> 00:54:15.560 Are you confident that you can get them? 00:54:15.560 --> 00:54:16.840 Because that is an issue 00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:18.640 in terms of being open longer hours 00:54:18.640 --> 00:54:20.400 or more time during the summer. 00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:21.880 What have you guys thought about that? 00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:23.280 - That's a great question. 00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:26.760 The additions here with the splash ground 00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:28.560 or the children's play feature 00:54:28.560 --> 00:54:31.040 would really only take maybe three additional guards, 00:54:31.040 --> 00:54:33.280 and then the flat water would take three or four. 00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:36.360 So we're looking at maybe seven to eight total. 00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:39.880 We already currently have one to two guards 00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:41.520 on our children's play structure, 00:54:41.520 --> 00:54:43.600 depending on how busy we are. 00:54:43.600 --> 00:54:45.720 So it wouldn't be that big of an impact 00:54:45.720 --> 00:54:47.320 to our overall staffing needs. 00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:50.720 - Questions? 00:54:50.720 --> 00:54:51.920 Go over to Greg first. 00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:55.840 - Thank you. 00:54:55.840 --> 00:54:56.800 This is super helpful. 00:54:56.800 --> 00:54:58.880 The data is super helpful. 00:54:58.880 --> 00:54:59.720 In the day in the beginning, 00:54:59.720 --> 00:55:02.440 you talked about the number of events that you've sold 00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:04.640 and the revenue at the beginning. 00:55:04.640 --> 00:55:08.640 I'm curious, the total cost to operate the water park, 00:55:08.640 --> 00:55:10.880 what percentage of that budget ballpark 00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:14.280 comes in in additional funding 00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:17.040 outside of the just general taxpayer funding? 00:55:17.040 --> 00:55:19.960 - I'm sorry. 00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:21.680 - Like where you sell memberships 00:55:21.680 --> 00:55:25.040 and the question is does the membership sold 00:55:25.040 --> 00:55:27.120 and the rental reservation sold, 00:55:27.120 --> 00:55:29.320 does that cover the operational cost? 00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:30.360 - No. 00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:32.160 Since 2017 with the additional wave pool, 00:55:32.160 --> 00:55:34.160 we have operated a deficit. 00:55:34.160 --> 00:55:36.960 Now we do share, we've entered into a 50 year agreement 00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:39.280 several years ago with the ISD 00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:41.440 to operate the water works park 00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:42.600 and the auditorium. 00:55:42.600 --> 00:55:47.600 So they share 50% of the operating costs with us. 00:55:47.600 --> 00:55:49.280 - Got it. 00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:50.120 Thank you. 00:55:50.120 --> 00:55:52.960 Peggy. 00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:58.240 - Well, since I took you on a memory trip last week, 00:55:58.240 --> 00:56:02.920 I served on the bond committee as did Janet. 00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:06.360 We were the building a better Denton committee 00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:07.920 20 something years ago. 00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:10.760 And Margaret Smith, who was on the city council, 00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:14.160 sold this to us. 00:56:14.160 --> 00:56:16.680 She had been somewhere and she said, 00:56:16.680 --> 00:56:18.440 we have to have one of these. 00:56:18.440 --> 00:56:21.120 So our little subcommittee went off 00:56:21.120 --> 00:56:23.280 and visited other water works 00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:25.640 and you could not have planned it any better 00:56:25.640 --> 00:56:28.640 because as we drove up to NRH2O 00:56:28.640 --> 00:56:37.280 and our Denton van, there was a group of people 00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:39.640 and this fella came to us and he said, 00:56:39.640 --> 00:56:40.840 what are y'all doing here? 00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:42.520 He says, you're from Denton. 00:56:42.520 --> 00:56:44.680 We said, we're looking at parks. 00:56:44.680 --> 00:56:47.840 He said, well, we live in Denton 00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:50.240 and we're here having a birthday party 00:56:50.240 --> 00:56:54.120 because there's nothing like this in Denton. 00:56:54.120 --> 00:56:56.840 So it couldn't have been planned any better. 00:56:56.840 --> 00:56:58.920 But just remember that this is 00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:03.440 the Margaret Smith Memorial Water Park 00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:06.040 and it does a lot of good for us. 00:57:06.040 --> 00:57:08.040 - Thank you. 00:57:08.040 --> 00:57:08.880 Yes, it does. 00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:11.320 It's actually a line in our aquatic master plan study. 00:57:11.320 --> 00:57:14.320 It is a destination facility for the whole of North Texas. 00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:17.160 So it serves not only our Denton population 00:57:17.160 --> 00:57:18.360 but surrounding cities as well, 00:57:18.360 --> 00:57:21.520 which helps offset some of our operating costs. 00:57:21.520 --> 00:57:22.800 - Ms. Hayworth. 00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:25.560 - I'd like to explore the deficit a little more. 00:57:25.560 --> 00:57:29.760 I remember when this park was losing a million dollars a year 00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:34.320 and I'd like to know, what is the deficit these days? 00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:35.840 - It's roughly the same. 00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:43.640 - So regarding the maintenance, 00:57:43.640 --> 00:57:47.480 I know getting the $50 million is one thing, 00:57:47.480 --> 00:57:51.440 but will there be funds in your planning 00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:52.840 for the maintenance, right? 00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:56.960 Because I know it's very labor intensive 00:57:56.960 --> 00:57:58.920 and very maintenance intensive. 00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:00.480 And so could you speak to that? 00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:05.280 - We're very fortunate that the city council 00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:08.600 has allowed us to have a capital maintenance plan 00:58:08.600 --> 00:58:11.200 or budget for aquatic facilities. 00:58:11.200 --> 00:58:12.720 So we use that money. 00:58:12.720 --> 00:58:16.480 It varies on year to year based on what we project needing. 00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:21.480 I think this last year it was close to $400,000 or $20,000. 00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:26.120 And we use that to maintain our current equipment. 00:58:26.120 --> 00:58:28.960 So we look at, we currently assess 00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:32.200 all of our equipment needs projected out into the future. 00:58:32.200 --> 00:58:33.120 As things come up, 00:58:33.120 --> 00:58:34.800 obviously we need to shift funding around 00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:36.440 to address immediate needs, 00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:38.720 but we have everything planned out based on 00:58:38.720 --> 00:58:41.120 the life expectancy of each piece of equipment. 00:58:41.120 --> 00:58:50.440 - Regarding the leisure programming pool addition, 00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:56.080 with your statement with DISD also going in with it, 00:58:56.080 --> 00:59:00.400 do you not have the indoor natatorium 00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:04.280 that you can use for the classes during the summertime 00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:07.920 when school isn't in session or even just year round? 00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:10.320 - So great question. 00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:12.160 Yes, we do have an indoor natatorium. 00:59:12.160 --> 00:59:14.200 It does have a competition pool 00:59:14.200 --> 00:59:16.200 and then also a lap swimming pool 00:59:16.200 --> 00:59:18.320 for anyone who may not be familiar. 00:59:18.320 --> 00:59:21.080 Again, we share that facility with DISD as you pointed out, 00:59:21.080 --> 00:59:24.280 but when it was built, DISD had two high schools. 00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:26.480 They have five high schools now. 00:59:26.480 --> 00:59:28.280 And they did not have water polo. 00:59:28.280 --> 00:59:29.360 Now they have water polo. 00:59:29.360 --> 00:59:32.200 So we have all of those kids trying to come in 00:59:32.200 --> 00:59:33.480 and find practice space. 00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:35.480 And of course, they can't do practice 00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:39.760 during the middle part of the day 'cause they're in class. 00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:42.360 So their primary use time is before school, 00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:44.600 which is when the community wants to do lap swim. 00:59:44.600 --> 00:59:45.840 And then after school, 00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:48.920 which is when the community wants to do water aerobics 00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:52.200 or when you wanna do your learn to swim programs. 00:59:52.200 --> 00:59:56.440 So there's a high concentration of requests 00:59:56.440 --> 00:59:58.360 and a very little pool space. 00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:01.160 So that's why we need additional flat water space. 01:00:01.160 --> 01:00:06.160 And just anecdotally, you talked about the staffing issues. 01:00:06.160 --> 01:00:09.560 One thing that we found just in talking with people 01:00:09.560 --> 01:00:12.640 going out to job fairs or trying to recruit lifeguards 01:00:12.640 --> 01:00:15.320 is a lot of people don't know how to swim anymore. 01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:17.560 And so we need flat water space 01:00:17.560 --> 01:00:19.840 to be able to provide those lessons 01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:20.960 to then get our lifeguards. 01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:22.560 Not only is it a great skill, 01:00:22.560 --> 01:00:25.280 but we sufficiently want them for staff later also. 01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:28.760 - Well, I agree with what you're saying there. 01:00:28.760 --> 01:00:33.560 However, UIL rules in regard to competitive high school 01:00:33.560 --> 01:00:38.560 does not allow the kids to be competing or practicing 01:00:38.560 --> 01:00:44.160 with their high school coaches during the summer season. 01:00:44.160 --> 01:00:48.240 So that should open up that timeframe. 01:00:48.240 --> 01:00:50.800 And also during the summer, 01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:55.720 you have addressed that during the school year as well, 01:00:55.720 --> 01:00:59.800 during the daytime, you could set up some of the classes 01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:02.600 for those who need them. 01:01:02.600 --> 01:01:04.280 Could you not? 01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:06.760 - We do, and we take advantage of that time. 01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:08.200 It's open for open swim. 01:01:08.200 --> 01:01:09.680 We do have some programs there, 01:01:09.680 --> 01:01:11.480 but again, we have a large population. 01:01:11.480 --> 01:01:13.840 It's either working or in school. 01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:17.040 So there's not like, you wanna, okay. 01:01:17.040 --> 01:01:20.920 - Yes, Monica Martin. 01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:23.040 I'm the aquatic program area manager. 01:01:23.040 --> 01:01:24.480 In regards to the classroom space, 01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:27.400 the natatorium was actually built with one classroom, 01:01:27.400 --> 01:01:28.320 one communal space. 01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:30.000 It serves parties, it serves camps, 01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:33.520 it serves the booster club, the lifeguard training, 01:01:33.520 --> 01:01:35.600 and everything else that we have in there. 01:01:35.600 --> 01:01:40.600 The GISD as well as the city do take a lot of opportunities 01:01:40.600 --> 01:01:42.920 to program out that room. 01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:45.240 And it is used pretty much from about six in the morning 01:01:45.240 --> 01:01:50.240 until about eight to 10 p.m. between December through August. 01:01:50.240 --> 01:01:52.840 So that is the one space that we have for indoor classroom. 01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:55.680 It is upstairs, which creates a little bit of a problem. 01:01:55.680 --> 01:01:58.280 So if you're moving from the deck, the pool deck upstairs, 01:01:58.280 --> 01:02:00.480 you do have to go up the stairs. 01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:01.880 That creates a lot of water on the stairs, 01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:03.400 and it does become an unsafe environment 01:02:03.400 --> 01:02:05.440 in order for people to transfer up and down. 01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:07.800 Or for party kids who are in the pool, 01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:08.880 go upstairs for their party, 01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:09.880 and they have to come back down. 01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:12.040 We do have some areas where we do have 01:02:12.040 --> 01:02:13.920 to have non-slip tapes on there. 01:02:13.920 --> 01:02:16.400 We have to keep a lot of maintenance on those stairways. 01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:18.880 And it's not an ideal environment for people 01:02:18.880 --> 01:02:23.680 who are maybe a little bit mobile, dependent on devices. 01:02:23.680 --> 01:02:25.380 They can't watch the kids swim. 01:02:25.380 --> 01:02:26.640 They can't watch their families 01:02:26.640 --> 01:02:28.920 have a good, enjoyable experience. 01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:30.520 Part of the indoor classrooms that you're seeing 01:02:30.520 --> 01:02:32.800 on the bond election is going to be building 01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:34.360 on three additional classrooms. 01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:37.200 That's going to have entrance out to the water park, 01:02:37.200 --> 01:02:40.320 as well as into the natatorium off of the pool deck itself. 01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:42.600 And it would be facing into the leisure pool area 01:02:42.600 --> 01:02:45.260 that is currently the wall of windows. 01:02:47.240 --> 01:02:49.760 - Yeah, the next question I had was, 01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:53.480 have we explored, so there's a lot of, 01:02:53.480 --> 01:02:55.440 there's privately owned water parks, 01:02:55.440 --> 01:02:57.160 and there's publicly owned. 01:02:57.160 --> 01:03:00.800 Have we explored any sort of a public-private partnership, 01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:05.320 or looked at potentially leasing this facility 01:03:05.320 --> 01:03:07.600 to a privately owned operator? 01:03:07.600 --> 01:03:11.620 Just thinking about, if we're losing a million a year, 01:03:11.620 --> 01:03:13.060 we've already got the facility, right? 01:03:13.060 --> 01:03:13.960 So you don't want to scrap it. 01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:15.760 But are there other opportunities 01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:19.760 to maybe curb our ongoing deficit 01:03:19.760 --> 01:03:21.600 through some sort of an outsourcing? 01:03:21.600 --> 01:03:24.920 - We can look into that. 01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:25.860 We haven't recently. 01:03:25.860 --> 01:03:29.000 We are looking at different opportunities for future 01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:32.060 and potential expansion, but not currently. 01:03:32.060 --> 01:03:35.480 - Question up there. 01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:38.440 My kids are gonna. 01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:42.900 - Higher? 01:03:42.900 --> 01:03:44.080 - Last time it was lower. 01:03:44.080 --> 01:03:44.920 Okay. 01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:49.080 - Anyway, so I'm hearing a lot about 01:03:49.080 --> 01:03:50.960 the need for the flat water. 01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:54.720 And I know that the natatorium is capacity 01:03:54.720 --> 01:03:56.640 most program days. 01:03:56.640 --> 01:04:00.600 I'm wondering if we might need to balance 01:04:00.600 --> 01:04:01.640 the other direction a little bit, 01:04:01.640 --> 01:04:04.360 if we've considered a version of the plan 01:04:04.360 --> 01:04:08.440 that is essential maintenance on the Waterworks Park, 01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:10.800 but more of an emphasis on the flat water, 01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:13.680 or even an additional natatorium. 01:04:13.680 --> 01:04:16.040 I know that's something in the Aquatics Master Plan 01:04:16.040 --> 01:04:16.880 under discussion. 01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:20.360 But a little bit curious why this year's bond 01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:24.000 is the one for Waterworks improvements, 01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:26.100 and not an additional natatorium, 01:04:26.100 --> 01:04:28.800 or even more flat water space. 01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:30.080 'Cause I mean, if you think about it, 01:04:30.080 --> 01:04:33.000 the Civic Center and Waterworks and Natatorium, 01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:35.640 wholly inadequate for our current aquatics needs, 01:04:35.640 --> 01:04:38.800 much less our future aquatics needs. 01:04:38.800 --> 01:04:40.640 On top of that, I don't even know the status 01:04:40.640 --> 01:04:41.880 of swim lessons this Saturday, 01:04:41.880 --> 01:04:44.480 'cause we have some HVAC issues at the natatorium. 01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:46.400 It needs a new HVAC system. 01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:49.180 So just kind of wondering where staff's perspective is 01:04:49.180 --> 01:04:52.160 on that balance between why is this the year 01:04:52.160 --> 01:04:55.260 for Waterworks and not more natatorium space? 01:04:55.260 --> 01:04:58.480 - I'll kind of take that in a few different pieces. 01:04:58.480 --> 01:05:01.640 So the HVAC component, that's the air conditioning 01:05:01.640 --> 01:05:04.020 and the Teresco unit that handle dehumidification 01:05:04.020 --> 01:05:07.440 and air conditioning for the natatorium. 01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:10.180 We are experiencing some issues with that. 01:05:10.180 --> 01:05:13.720 It is a system that is five years old at this point 01:05:13.720 --> 01:05:15.160 and should last about 15. 01:05:15.160 --> 01:05:18.300 So we're hoping to make some improvements 01:05:18.300 --> 01:05:21.160 or some fixes there and then still get the life out of that. 01:05:21.160 --> 01:05:24.200 It was $1.2 million or $1 million 01:05:24.200 --> 01:05:26.920 when it was installed in 2015. 01:05:26.920 --> 01:05:31.240 So that should remedy that issue there. 01:05:31.240 --> 01:05:33.860 As far as expansion of the natatorium, 01:05:33.860 --> 01:05:36.040 that is something that we did explore. 01:05:36.040 --> 01:05:38.280 It's not something that we would do on our own though. 01:05:38.280 --> 01:05:40.200 It would be with maybe different partners. 01:05:40.200 --> 01:05:42.840 DISD, UNT has expressed interest. 01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:44.720 We've gone to those various stakeholders. 01:05:44.720 --> 01:05:46.920 They're not currently in a position to be able to do that 01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:48.120 and it is a high dollar amount. 01:05:48.120 --> 01:05:49.600 So it would be more than the $15 million 01:05:49.600 --> 01:05:50.960 that we're looking at here. 01:05:50.960 --> 01:05:52.240 But that is something that we're looking at 01:05:52.240 --> 01:05:53.740 working towards in the future. 01:05:53.740 --> 01:05:57.920 That answer all your questions? 01:05:57.920 --> 01:05:59.040 - Any other questions? 01:05:59.040 --> 01:06:02.640 All right, let's move to a time of small group conversation 01:06:02.640 --> 01:06:06.300 on this topic and then we'll come back to the large group. 01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:11.880 (people chattering) 01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:41.280 (people chattering) 01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:11.280 (people chattering) 01:07:38.280 --> 01:07:41.280 (people chattering) 01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:11.480 (people chattering) 01:08:38.280 --> 01:08:41.280 (people chattering) 01:09:08.280 --> 01:09:11.280 (people chattering) 01:09:38.280 --> 01:09:41.280 (people chattering) 01:10:08.280 --> 01:10:11.280 (people chattering) 01:10:38.280 --> 01:10:41.280 (people chattering) 01:11:08.440 --> 01:11:11.440 (people chattering) 01:11:38.280 --> 01:11:41.280 (people chattering) 01:12:08.280 --> 01:12:11.280 (people chattering) 01:12:11.280 --> 01:12:26.280 (people chattering) 01:12:38.280 --> 01:12:41.280 (people chattering) 01:12:41.280 --> 01:12:51.280 (people chattering) 01:12:51.280 --> 01:13:02.280 (people chattering) 01:13:09.280 --> 01:13:12.280 (people chattering) 01:13:12.280 --> 01:13:20.720 - Let's take about two more minutes 01:13:20.720 --> 01:13:22.520 to keep the conversation going. 01:13:22.520 --> 01:13:33.200 - While you guys are still doing your small groups, 01:13:33.200 --> 01:13:36.360 I just wanna interrupt and correct some information 01:13:36.360 --> 01:13:37.500 I said earlier. 01:13:37.500 --> 01:13:39.400 The water park itself does not operate 01:13:39.400 --> 01:13:40.840 at a million dollar deficit. 01:13:40.840 --> 01:13:43.080 The water park combined with an auditorium 01:13:43.080 --> 01:13:44.880 operates at a million dollar deficit. 01:13:44.880 --> 01:13:47.480 The water park itself is about $400,000. 01:13:47.480 --> 01:13:50.760 So it's about 75% cost recovery. 01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:52.280 So I just wanna make that clarification 01:13:52.280 --> 01:13:54.240 as you guys are discussing. 01:13:54.240 --> 01:13:55.640 So that's a big difference. 01:13:55.640 --> 01:14:00.640 (people chattering) 01:14:07.500 --> 01:14:10.500 (people chattering) 01:14:10.500 --> 01:14:34.720 - Let's wrap up the table conversations 01:14:34.720 --> 01:14:36.720 and we'll move back to a whole group. 01:14:36.720 --> 01:14:39.000 Again, reminder, parking lot questions. 01:14:39.000 --> 01:14:41.720 You can continue to ask them online. 01:14:41.720 --> 01:14:51.280 All right, again, another lively conversation 01:14:51.280 --> 01:14:52.660 as I scan the room. 01:14:52.660 --> 01:14:56.800 What further comments or questions does anyone have 01:14:56.800 --> 01:14:58.280 on this particular project? 01:14:58.280 --> 01:15:03.440 Comments or questions, yes sir. 01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:11.640 - So we entered into the agreement with DISD in 2003. 01:15:11.640 --> 01:15:15.440 And obviously they've grown at a much faster rate 01:15:15.440 --> 01:15:16.280 than the city. 01:15:16.280 --> 01:15:18.040 Was it not anticipated? 01:15:18.040 --> 01:15:21.440 Or is there not something within the contract that can... 01:15:21.440 --> 01:15:23.720 I mean, I grew up in a small town, 01:15:23.720 --> 01:15:26.480 2,800 people, 69 people in my graduating class, 01:15:26.480 --> 01:15:28.640 and we had a full-size Olympic swimming pool. 01:15:28.640 --> 01:15:32.840 That's something school districts should be doing more of 01:15:35.840 --> 01:15:39.820 than requiring that they do the combined with the community. 01:15:39.820 --> 01:15:42.920 - I can't speak to the agreement. 01:15:42.920 --> 01:15:45.800 Obviously I wasn't here when it was in place. 01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:49.000 But that doesn't mean that agreement can't be renegotiated 01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:50.040 or looked at later. 01:15:50.040 --> 01:15:52.480 So we're not stuck in that forever. 01:15:52.480 --> 01:15:55.040 We can, I'm sure if they want to renegotiate 01:15:55.040 --> 01:15:56.040 what that looks like. 01:15:56.040 --> 01:16:00.800 - Our group had some questions over the park 01:16:00.800 --> 01:16:03.840 and the native budget. 01:16:03.840 --> 01:16:06.880 We were particularly interested, have you explored 01:16:06.880 --> 01:16:09.160 those options for the public partnerships? 01:16:09.160 --> 01:16:11.400 Or could you outline what those other relationships 01:16:11.400 --> 01:16:14.760 might look like in communities around us 01:16:14.760 --> 01:16:17.840 and what other cities might have those types of setups? 01:16:17.840 --> 01:16:19.520 And kind of a follow-up, 01:16:19.520 --> 01:16:21.040 I mean, you might have answered this a little earlier, 01:16:21.040 --> 01:16:25.720 the offset that the cost recovery elements of the park 01:16:25.720 --> 01:16:28.160 to help mitigate that deficit that it faces, 01:16:28.160 --> 01:16:30.920 could you expand upon that a little bit more? 01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:31.760 - Sure, so... 01:16:33.560 --> 01:16:34.960 - Can you guys hear me okay? 01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:40.880 As far as the public-private partnerships, 01:16:40.880 --> 01:16:44.720 we have not explored that. 01:16:44.720 --> 01:16:49.160 That really hasn't come up as an idea or an opportunity 01:16:49.160 --> 01:16:51.400 with like a third party company that comes in 01:16:51.400 --> 01:16:52.680 and just operates it. 01:16:52.680 --> 01:16:56.000 We have explored with potentially DISD 01:16:56.000 --> 01:17:01.000 continuing that partnership, UNT possibly bringing, 01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:03.080 doing some type of joint venture with them, 01:17:03.080 --> 01:17:06.080 PWU possibility, there's economy of scale there, right? 01:17:06.080 --> 01:17:07.920 So we put in a little, they put in a little, 01:17:07.920 --> 01:17:12.000 we get a bigger, better product for the community to use 01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:12.840 and then their use. 01:17:12.840 --> 01:17:15.600 Again, we have to balance what that funding looks like 01:17:15.600 --> 01:17:17.960 and then also make sure that it works for our use 01:17:17.960 --> 01:17:19.880 to speak to your point that we're not locked into something 01:17:19.880 --> 01:17:23.360 for 50 years, we're not anticipating the growth later. 01:17:23.360 --> 01:17:26.360 As far as the cost recovery elements, 01:17:26.360 --> 01:17:29.920 so that was the addition of the concession stand in 2019 01:17:29.920 --> 01:17:33.040 per cap is how much we try to get each person to spend 01:17:33.040 --> 01:17:33.960 while they're in the water park. 01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:36.240 Now you don't have to, you can come to the water park, 01:17:36.240 --> 01:17:39.160 you have your membership, which is a great deal, 01:17:39.160 --> 01:17:40.760 you scan that every time you come in, 01:17:40.760 --> 01:17:43.840 you bring your own food for your $5 cooler fee, 01:17:43.840 --> 01:17:46.960 you can bring in whatever you want as far as eating stuff 01:17:46.960 --> 01:17:48.840 that you've prepared at home, 01:17:48.840 --> 01:17:50.920 or you can make it a destination 01:17:50.920 --> 01:17:53.560 and that's the people that we try to capitalize on, 01:17:53.560 --> 01:17:56.680 the daily admissions, the people who are gonna be buying 01:17:56.680 --> 01:17:58.960 the nachos and the hamburger. 01:17:58.960 --> 01:18:00.760 We have a great concession stand if you're ever hungry, 01:18:00.760 --> 01:18:02.200 come out and have lunch there, 01:18:02.200 --> 01:18:04.720 but we try to capitalize on that opportunity. 01:18:04.720 --> 01:18:05.560 It's a business, right? 01:18:05.560 --> 01:18:08.040 We wanna offset some of our operating expenses 01:18:08.040 --> 01:18:11.200 through those per cap spending per person. 01:18:11.200 --> 01:18:12.600 We also have after hours rentals, 01:18:12.600 --> 01:18:14.880 so we try to recover some costs that way, 01:18:14.880 --> 01:18:18.960 and then birthday parties, cabana rentals, shade rentals, 01:18:18.960 --> 01:18:20.080 so that sort of thing. 01:18:20.080 --> 01:18:21.480 So those are some of the efforts that we do 01:18:21.480 --> 01:18:23.400 to recover some of the costs. 01:18:23.400 --> 01:18:27.680 - Any other comments, questions? 01:18:27.680 --> 01:18:29.360 Jen. 01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:34.400 - Although a million dollars sounds like a lot of money 01:18:34.400 --> 01:18:38.760 to be losing every year, if you think about it, 01:18:38.760 --> 01:18:43.760 it is a benefit that we offer to our citizens 01:18:43.760 --> 01:18:49.160 to have this water park. 01:18:49.160 --> 01:18:50.720 So how do you not lose money? 01:18:50.720 --> 01:18:53.320 You increase the fees that you charge 01:18:53.320 --> 01:18:55.080 or you run more efficiently, 01:18:55.080 --> 01:19:01.120 but we also want to be inclusive of our community 01:19:01.120 --> 01:19:04.240 so that you can afford to have this luxury 01:19:04.240 --> 01:19:07.560 and this benefit to us all. 01:19:07.560 --> 01:19:10.560 We don't charge people to go into our parks. 01:19:10.560 --> 01:19:14.240 We don't charge admission at Eureka. 01:19:14.240 --> 01:19:19.240 We don't charge people to have a fire station, 01:19:19.240 --> 01:19:20.200 and it costs money. 01:19:20.200 --> 01:19:22.520 It may lose a million dollars a year too. 01:19:22.520 --> 01:19:25.480 So I'm just saying that even though that sounds like that, 01:19:25.480 --> 01:19:27.120 it could be a budgeted loss. 01:19:27.120 --> 01:19:29.600 It's something we're offering to our citizens. 01:19:31.920 --> 01:19:34.400 - I suggested to change the term into investment 01:19:34.400 --> 01:19:36.920 instead of deficit as a way of thinking about it. 01:19:36.920 --> 01:19:43.320 Any other questions or comments? 01:19:43.320 --> 01:19:46.920 Okay, we've got a packed agenda, so we're gonna move on. 01:19:46.920 --> 01:19:51.920 And I think the next discussion is Ningo and Riddell, correct? 01:19:51.920 --> 01:19:55.440 And the Quiet Zones, we're packing them together, okay. 01:20:01.120 --> 01:20:04.120 (people chattering) 01:20:04.120 --> 01:20:10.800 - All right, good evening, everyone. 01:20:10.800 --> 01:20:11.960 My name is Trevor Crane. 01:20:11.960 --> 01:20:13.640 I'm the Director of Capital Projects 01:20:13.640 --> 01:20:15.000 here at the City of Denton. 01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:17.240 I want to introduce a couple of other people 01:20:17.240 --> 01:20:19.240 I have here with me tonight to help me with questions 01:20:19.240 --> 01:20:21.160 if I can't handle them. 01:20:21.160 --> 01:20:22.360 I have Ms. Becky Devaney. 01:20:22.360 --> 01:20:25.560 She's our City Engineer and General Manager of Public Works. 01:20:25.560 --> 01:20:26.800 Also have Seth Garcia. 01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:29.280 He's a Program Manager on my team. 01:20:29.280 --> 01:20:31.160 And then I also have Mike Linder in the back. 01:20:31.160 --> 01:20:33.840 He is our Drainage Manager, 01:20:33.840 --> 01:20:36.200 Drainage Engineer on our team as well. 01:20:36.200 --> 01:20:39.600 So y'all are stuck with me for the next three presentations. 01:20:39.600 --> 01:20:40.680 So let's get started. 01:20:40.680 --> 01:20:44.000 So tonight I'm gonna start off with our 01:20:44.000 --> 01:20:46.960 Ningo, Riddell, and Quiet Zone projects. 01:20:46.960 --> 01:20:49.320 So just a little project history. 01:20:49.320 --> 01:20:51.880 The Quiet Zones and Riddell extension 01:20:51.880 --> 01:20:54.760 were included in the 2014 bond. 01:20:54.760 --> 01:20:56.840 Both projects were insufficiently funded. 01:20:56.840 --> 01:20:59.400 So as we kind of started digging into those projects, 01:20:59.400 --> 01:21:01.440 we discovered that they were gonna cost a lot more 01:21:01.440 --> 01:21:04.960 to build them than what was allocated in those bonds. 01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:07.200 So we did ask the Bond Oversight Committee 01:21:07.200 --> 01:21:12.560 to remove those from the bond on May 20th, 2022. 01:21:12.560 --> 01:21:16.840 That request was approved and they asked us 01:21:16.840 --> 01:21:19.880 to bring those back in the 2023 bond, 01:21:19.880 --> 01:21:21.240 which we're doing tonight. 01:21:21.240 --> 01:21:24.640 So the current roadway out here, 01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:27.080 you can see some pictures of what it currently looks like 01:21:27.080 --> 01:21:27.920 out there. 01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:29.800 It's a two-lane, undivided roadway, 01:21:29.800 --> 01:21:31.920 no underground drainage system, 01:21:31.920 --> 01:21:35.200 no pedestrian or biking facilities are out there, 01:21:35.200 --> 01:21:36.840 limited right of way. 01:21:36.840 --> 01:21:40.440 There's also six at-grade UPRR crossings, 01:21:40.440 --> 01:21:41.760 limited street lighting, 01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:44.200 limited and aging utility infrastructure. 01:21:44.200 --> 01:21:46.800 It's also, like I just mentioned, 01:21:46.800 --> 01:21:49.200 not a Union Pacific Quiet Zone, 01:21:49.200 --> 01:21:51.120 which means the train has to blow its horn 01:21:51.120 --> 01:21:53.680 every time it comes through one of those crossings. 01:21:53.680 --> 01:21:55.160 And then, as I stated earlier, 01:21:55.160 --> 01:21:56.840 there were portions of this project 01:21:56.840 --> 01:21:59.080 that were included in the 2014 bond program. 01:21:59.080 --> 01:22:02.360 So we have some pictures here. 01:22:02.360 --> 01:22:05.480 This would be our proposed roadway cross-section. 01:22:05.480 --> 01:22:06.600 And you can see an example 01:22:06.600 --> 01:22:09.080 of what that side path and trail would look like. 01:22:09.080 --> 01:22:10.920 I do wanna just reiterate 01:22:10.920 --> 01:22:13.120 that this is a proposed cross-section. 01:22:13.120 --> 01:22:15.680 Best case scenario, if we were able to fit everything, 01:22:15.680 --> 01:22:17.360 this is what we would propose 01:22:17.360 --> 01:22:20.080 and it would line up with our mobility plan. 01:22:20.080 --> 01:22:22.840 As I mentioned, the real estate is pretty tight out there. 01:22:22.840 --> 01:22:25.160 There's a railroad on one side. 01:22:25.160 --> 01:22:26.880 If anyone's ever had to deal with the railroad, 01:22:26.880 --> 01:22:29.240 they're pretty finicky about their property 01:22:29.240 --> 01:22:31.880 and what you can put near their railroads. 01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:33.720 And then, of course, TW's on the other side. 01:22:33.720 --> 01:22:36.600 So that right of way would be evaluated 01:22:36.600 --> 01:22:40.080 if this project was approved as we went through design. 01:22:40.080 --> 01:22:43.000 So we would propose a three-lane roadway. 01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:46.240 It'd be one lane east and west with a dedicated turn lane, 01:22:46.240 --> 01:22:48.560 bike and pedestrian infrastructure, 01:22:48.560 --> 01:22:51.360 installation of a drainage system, street lighting, 01:22:51.360 --> 01:22:53.320 replacing of any aging utilities 01:22:53.320 --> 01:22:55.240 that are currently out there. 01:22:55.240 --> 01:22:56.560 This would bring us into alignment 01:22:56.560 --> 01:22:58.880 with our 2022 mobility plan 01:22:58.880 --> 01:23:02.280 and also into alignment with our 2022 Parks, Recreation, 01:23:02.280 --> 01:23:04.160 and Trails system master plan. 01:23:04.160 --> 01:23:08.240 So the Rudel portion of this street, 01:23:08.240 --> 01:23:10.560 we would propose something pretty similar 01:23:10.560 --> 01:23:13.440 except you see some parking lane there. 01:23:13.440 --> 01:23:15.800 It would also be a one lane east and west 01:23:15.800 --> 01:23:17.400 with a center turn lane. 01:23:17.400 --> 01:23:20.920 It would include a new alignment of the crossing at Mingo. 01:23:21.800 --> 01:23:23.560 And it would include closures 01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:27.320 of the Willis and Pertain Street railroad crossings. 01:23:27.320 --> 01:23:30.160 We would propose installing bike 01:23:30.160 --> 01:23:32.840 and pedestrian infrastructure, street lighting, 01:23:32.840 --> 01:23:34.560 replacement of any aging facilities 01:23:34.560 --> 01:23:36.120 that are currently out there. 01:23:36.120 --> 01:23:37.800 And this would also bring us into alignment 01:23:37.800 --> 01:23:40.260 with our 2022 mobility plan. 01:23:40.260 --> 01:23:45.960 This is the Rudel Street extension portion of the project. 01:23:45.960 --> 01:23:48.120 So this is what I just mentioned, 01:23:48.120 --> 01:23:51.520 that new alignment of the crossing at UPRR. 01:23:51.520 --> 01:23:54.400 It would include a new traffic signal at Mingo and Rudel, 01:23:54.400 --> 01:23:58.320 bike and pedestrian infrastructure crossing that UPRR, 01:23:58.320 --> 01:23:59.760 railroad crossing. 01:23:59.760 --> 01:24:01.200 It would include street lighting. 01:24:01.200 --> 01:24:03.000 And then once again, bring us into alignment 01:24:03.000 --> 01:24:05.160 with our 2022 master plan. 01:24:05.160 --> 01:24:07.000 Oh, I'm sorry, mobility plan update. 01:24:07.000 --> 01:24:10.520 And the Mingo Quiet Zone. 01:24:10.520 --> 01:24:14.320 So this would include the Quiet Zone implementation 01:24:14.320 --> 01:24:19.320 of the crossings on Mingo from Mockingbird to Frame Street. 01:24:19.320 --> 01:24:25.040 So depending on each Quiet Zone or each crossing, 01:24:25.040 --> 01:24:26.760 it depends on what you have to install 01:24:26.760 --> 01:24:27.960 to make those Quiet Zones. 01:24:27.960 --> 01:24:30.860 So each of those crossings would be evaluated. 01:24:30.860 --> 01:24:33.280 It could be anything from new lights, gates, 01:24:33.280 --> 01:24:36.120 raised medians, traffic signal preemption. 01:24:36.120 --> 01:24:37.560 And then it would also include bike 01:24:37.560 --> 01:24:40.360 and pedestrian infrastructure crossing that railroad. 01:24:43.040 --> 01:24:45.360 So just the project benefits summarized. 01:24:45.360 --> 01:24:47.480 This would be increased safety for vehicular, 01:24:47.480 --> 01:24:49.480 bicycle and pedestrian traffic. 01:24:49.480 --> 01:24:52.440 Provides walkability from Texas Women's University, 01:24:52.440 --> 01:24:54.960 downtown city of Denton, DCTA, 01:24:54.960 --> 01:24:57.200 and nearby residential properties. 01:24:57.200 --> 01:24:59.600 This would bring the area into Quiet Zone compliance, 01:24:59.600 --> 01:25:01.760 meaning the train would no longer be required 01:25:01.760 --> 01:25:04.440 to blow its whistle at those crossings. 01:25:04.440 --> 01:25:05.760 And then it would also remove 01:25:05.760 --> 01:25:09.560 and or realign dangerous UPRR crossings. 01:25:09.560 --> 01:25:11.480 And then I'm gonna have, 01:25:11.480 --> 01:25:13.840 we have a short video here about this project. 01:25:13.840 --> 01:25:15.720 And I will just mention that second link 01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:16.960 is to our mobility plan. 01:25:16.960 --> 01:25:18.360 If anybody wants to go in there, 01:25:18.360 --> 01:25:20.440 it's very big, so we didn't wanna print it out for you, 01:25:20.440 --> 01:25:22.340 but you are able to access it there. 01:25:22.340 --> 01:25:33.480 - Rudel, Mingo and Quiet Zones 01:25:33.480 --> 01:25:36.000 is a combination of three separate projects. 01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:40.640 The Mingo portion proposes constructing 01:25:40.640 --> 01:25:42.400 a three-lane roadway with bike 01:25:42.400 --> 01:25:44.280 and pedestrian infrastructure, 01:25:44.280 --> 01:25:46.640 adding street lighting and a drainage system, 01:25:46.640 --> 01:25:48.700 while also bringing this road into alignment 01:25:48.700 --> 01:25:51.400 with both the 2022 Mobility Plan 01:25:51.400 --> 01:25:53.560 and the 2022 Parks and Recreation 01:25:53.560 --> 01:25:55.280 and Trail System Master Plan. 01:26:11.280 --> 01:26:13.600 The Rudel portion proposes construction 01:26:13.600 --> 01:26:15.160 of a three-lane roadway, 01:26:15.160 --> 01:26:17.240 adding bike and pedestrian infrastructure 01:26:17.240 --> 01:26:20.040 with street lighting and establishing a new alignment 01:26:20.040 --> 01:26:22.400 of the Union Pacific Railroad crossing. 01:26:22.400 --> 01:26:25.920 This work is in alignment with the 2022 Mobility Plan. 01:26:25.920 --> 01:26:39.920 And the Mingo Quiet Zones portion of the project 01:26:39.920 --> 01:26:42.960 allows for the installation of necessary safety measures 01:26:42.960 --> 01:26:45.080 that would create a Union Pacific Railroad 01:26:45.080 --> 01:26:46.440 Quiet Zone in this area. 01:27:10.360 --> 01:27:13.360 - So we do have some estimated costs here. 01:27:13.360 --> 01:27:17.320 This project cost did not include any design costs, 01:27:17.320 --> 01:27:19.920 so of course, that would be added to the numbers 01:27:19.920 --> 01:27:21.960 that you will see in the next meeting. 01:27:21.960 --> 01:27:23.360 We will provide some updated costs 01:27:23.360 --> 01:27:25.200 that will include everything. 01:27:25.200 --> 01:27:27.880 But this does include the construction costs 01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:30.680 that were estimated in January of 2023, 01:27:30.680 --> 01:27:33.560 which of course have gone up between now and then 01:27:33.560 --> 01:27:34.760 just with inflation, 01:27:34.760 --> 01:27:37.880 but we do have some estimated costs here. 01:27:37.880 --> 01:27:40.680 We've gone up between now and then just with inflation. 01:27:40.680 --> 01:27:42.800 And then this does include some of the soft costs, 01:27:42.800 --> 01:27:46.040 which are inspection, project management, permitting, 01:27:46.040 --> 01:27:49.800 working with the railroad as far as those agreements 01:27:49.800 --> 01:27:50.640 and things like that. 01:27:50.640 --> 01:27:54.440 So I will tell you, this number will go up 01:27:54.440 --> 01:27:56.840 between now and the time you see it next week. 01:27:56.840 --> 01:28:01.200 And I'll stand for any questions. 01:28:01.200 --> 01:28:04.560 - All right, questions on this project, right off the bat. 01:28:06.720 --> 01:28:09.960 - I guess my question is on the right of way. 01:28:09.960 --> 01:28:12.560 How much of that do we have to acquire 01:28:12.560 --> 01:28:14.840 to finish this or do this project? 01:28:14.840 --> 01:28:17.400 - Sure, so the ultimate cross section 01:28:17.400 --> 01:28:22.400 for what that road is labeled as is 110 feet. 01:28:22.400 --> 01:28:25.080 We're not gonna be able to get 110 feet 01:28:25.080 --> 01:28:27.800 without damaging out a lot of houses, 01:28:27.800 --> 01:28:30.400 some apartment complexes, things like that. 01:28:30.400 --> 01:28:32.680 The goal would be to get to 90 feet 01:28:32.680 --> 01:28:34.120 is what we think we can get to. 01:28:34.120 --> 01:28:37.120 Of course, we would coordinate that with our planning department. 01:28:37.120 --> 01:28:41.240 I don't know exactly how much we need currently, 01:28:41.240 --> 01:28:44.880 but that would be the goal, would be to get to the 90 feet. 01:28:44.880 --> 01:28:47.000 That would allow us to install the roadway 01:28:47.000 --> 01:28:48.920 that we've talked about. 01:28:48.920 --> 01:28:52.480 The sidewalk on the goal would be a continuous sidewalk 01:28:52.480 --> 01:28:57.480 on the north side of Mingo with some sidewalk on the south 01:28:57.480 --> 01:29:00.040 that would feed people to safe crossings 01:29:00.040 --> 01:29:02.080 like at intersections and things like that, 01:29:02.080 --> 01:29:04.320 cross to the larger side path on the north side 01:29:04.320 --> 01:29:07.240 and then continue everybody down into the downtown 01:29:07.240 --> 01:29:08.960 and Texas women's. 01:29:08.960 --> 01:29:17.520 - Okay, great. 01:29:17.520 --> 01:29:24.840 With the realignment of Rudel and that Willis crossing, 01:29:24.840 --> 01:29:27.920 I believe that that's gonna be going into city property 01:29:27.920 --> 01:29:29.800 on the other side of Mingo. 01:29:29.800 --> 01:29:33.640 What is the kind of market value for that property? 01:29:33.640 --> 01:29:36.920 - I don't know the answer to that question. 01:29:36.920 --> 01:29:39.760 So we are considering that property, the service center, 01:29:39.760 --> 01:29:41.880 that's where the service center is currently located. 01:29:41.880 --> 01:29:46.040 We are currently looking at renovating the service center 01:29:46.040 --> 01:29:48.960 and maybe moving that building around on that property. 01:29:48.960 --> 01:29:50.600 So of course, those would be conversations 01:29:50.600 --> 01:29:53.160 and we would coordinate those projects between this one 01:29:53.160 --> 01:29:55.000 and what that one looks like to make sure 01:29:55.000 --> 01:29:57.560 that we're using that property to the best of its ability, 01:29:57.560 --> 01:29:59.320 I mean, the best of its use. 01:29:59.320 --> 01:30:02.040 I don't know what the property values are out there, 01:30:02.040 --> 01:30:04.000 so we can definitely come back with that. 01:30:04.000 --> 01:30:08.840 - So on the map, I saw the Quiet Zone map 01:30:08.840 --> 01:30:11.640 was from Frame to Mockingbird, 01:30:11.640 --> 01:30:15.240 but the Mingo, two lanes with a turn lane, 01:30:15.240 --> 01:30:18.200 expansion of Mingo, what's the extent of that 01:30:18.200 --> 01:30:19.960 and what happens at either end? 01:30:19.960 --> 01:30:23.200 We've got Bell Street and the way it comes into Bell, 01:30:23.200 --> 01:30:25.320 you just kind of got a neck down right there 01:30:25.320 --> 01:30:28.680 and what's the plan for how that expanded Mingo 01:30:28.680 --> 01:30:30.440 interacts on both ends? 01:30:30.440 --> 01:30:34.680 And my next question is, is there any other funding 01:30:34.680 --> 01:30:36.960 identified or funding that we're going for 01:30:36.960 --> 01:30:38.240 for this particular project? 01:30:38.240 --> 01:30:40.200 Does it qualify for any kind of regional funding 01:30:40.200 --> 01:30:41.040 or anything like that? 01:30:41.040 --> 01:30:44.160 Or is this just a Denton project that we've gotta get done 01:30:44.160 --> 01:30:46.480 with as many bond dollars as we can 01:30:46.480 --> 01:30:49.080 because costs go up every single year? 01:30:49.080 --> 01:30:51.680 - Right, so I'll answer the second one first. 01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:53.680 This is the City of Denton project. 01:30:53.680 --> 01:30:55.400 We've looked at some other, 01:30:55.400 --> 01:30:57.760 or we're always looking for funding, 01:30:57.760 --> 01:31:00.320 reaching out to TxDOT, COG, 01:31:00.320 --> 01:31:02.520 trying to identify other places. 01:31:02.520 --> 01:31:04.440 This project does not qualify for any of that. 01:31:04.440 --> 01:31:08.200 So this would be specifically a City of Denton project. 01:31:08.200 --> 01:31:12.760 And really it's kind of a main corridor getting down, 01:31:12.760 --> 01:31:15.480 especially for walkability, trying to get everyone in, 01:31:15.480 --> 01:31:18.520 down into downtown, back out to Texas Women's. 01:31:18.520 --> 01:31:20.600 So that's why we identified this area 01:31:20.600 --> 01:31:24.360 as a need for a major project like this. 01:31:24.360 --> 01:31:27.560 As far as either end, there are conversations 01:31:27.560 --> 01:31:29.520 about projects for either end. 01:31:29.520 --> 01:31:31.480 They're not anywhere close to, 01:31:31.480 --> 01:31:36.280 I would say even initiation planning at this point. 01:31:36.280 --> 01:31:38.320 Of course, that would be something we would need to, 01:31:38.320 --> 01:31:40.960 the City would have to look at 01:31:40.960 --> 01:31:45.080 and do analysis on to determine if those are project needs. 01:31:45.080 --> 01:31:46.400 - Just frame to Mockingbird, 01:31:46.400 --> 01:31:47.240 that's all we're talking about? 01:31:47.240 --> 01:31:48.080 - For this project. 01:31:48.080 --> 01:31:52.680 - Oh wait, I'm sorry, back there. 01:31:55.560 --> 01:32:00.560 - First of all, it's a accepted fact that sooner or later, 01:32:00.560 --> 01:32:05.480 Bell Avenue will be closed as a through street 01:32:05.480 --> 01:32:06.920 to University Drive. 01:32:06.920 --> 01:32:12.360 - There has been talks about that back and forth with TWU. 01:32:12.360 --> 01:32:14.640 At this point, we're still coordinating with TWU 01:32:14.640 --> 01:32:16.160 about what that looks like. 01:32:16.160 --> 01:32:18.320 At this point, that is not the direction 01:32:18.320 --> 01:32:19.160 that we've been told. 01:32:19.160 --> 01:32:21.560 We're working on different ideas, 01:32:21.560 --> 01:32:24.040 especially to increase that walkability 01:32:25.040 --> 01:32:29.760 and yeah, so I would say that's not necessarily the case. 01:32:29.760 --> 01:32:33.640 - Well, assuming it is the case because it's gonna happen. 01:32:33.640 --> 01:32:39.160 And that's one of our major north-south ways 01:32:39.160 --> 01:32:40.840 to get across town. 01:32:40.840 --> 01:32:43.640 And what you're proposing for Mingo, 01:32:43.640 --> 01:32:47.080 even with this incredible cost and all, 01:32:47.080 --> 01:32:49.680 will not replace Bell Avenue, 01:32:49.680 --> 01:32:54.680 let alone provide any additional capacity for cars 01:32:54.800 --> 01:32:56.720 to get across north-south. 01:32:56.720 --> 01:33:00.520 It seems not good planning to me. 01:33:00.520 --> 01:33:04.960 - I can't speak to the planning. 01:33:04.960 --> 01:33:07.040 All I can tell you is that at this point, 01:33:07.040 --> 01:33:12.040 there are no plans to close Bell north-south 01:33:12.040 --> 01:33:17.120 and this project is specifically for this scope. 01:33:17.120 --> 01:33:21.480 - Well, it's already down to one lane each way 01:33:21.480 --> 01:33:26.480 and 20 miles an hour, it's not a viable north-south artery. 01:33:26.480 --> 01:33:30.400 And we need one, but all this money we're talking about 01:33:30.400 --> 01:33:35.400 spending on Mingo and Rudel doesn't do it. 01:33:35.400 --> 01:33:39.800 That's not, going out with one lane going 01:33:39.800 --> 01:33:44.800 and one lane coming in and a turn lane is insufficient. 01:33:44.800 --> 01:33:49.640 - Yes, ma'am, I understand. 01:33:49.640 --> 01:33:51.760 With the limited right-of-way that's out there, 01:33:51.760 --> 01:33:53.760 this would be the best case scenario 01:33:53.760 --> 01:33:56.320 for improving the infrastructure out there 01:33:56.320 --> 01:33:59.680 and providing that east-west connectability. 01:33:59.680 --> 01:34:02.800 - I just think when we're talking 01:34:02.800 --> 01:34:05.120 about that amount of money, 01:34:05.120 --> 01:34:07.080 we should be getting something more. 01:34:07.080 --> 01:34:10.200 - Got another question up here. 01:34:10.200 --> 01:34:11.120 - Two quick questions. 01:34:11.120 --> 01:34:14.000 The first on the example of the cross-section 01:34:14.000 --> 01:34:16.560 of the roadway for the Rudel Street project, 01:34:16.560 --> 01:34:19.440 it shows a little bit of plants that are included. 01:34:19.440 --> 01:34:22.000 Is there an opportunity to include green infrastructure 01:34:22.000 --> 01:34:24.560 or street trees as part of that project? 01:34:24.560 --> 01:34:27.160 And then my second question, 01:34:27.160 --> 01:34:29.640 with the overall project as a whole, 01:34:29.640 --> 01:34:32.600 looking at the multimodal transportation pieces of it 01:34:32.600 --> 01:34:34.880 where it's including your bike and pedestrian 01:34:34.880 --> 01:34:37.120 and car ability to navigate, 01:34:37.120 --> 01:34:39.420 have you investigated any sort of grant funding 01:34:39.420 --> 01:34:42.920 that would support a complete streets design for the area? 01:34:42.920 --> 01:34:47.920 - So the cross-section, I built this on an app 01:34:48.040 --> 01:34:51.240 so I wanted to make it pretty and put some plants on there, 01:34:51.240 --> 01:34:53.800 but I will tell you that those are absolutely ideas 01:34:53.800 --> 01:34:58.080 that will be entertained during that design process. 01:34:58.080 --> 01:35:00.240 Once we determine what that full right-of-way is, 01:35:00.240 --> 01:35:03.000 we have community meetings at the beginning of projects, 01:35:03.000 --> 01:35:04.360 halfway through design, 01:35:04.360 --> 01:35:06.000 and so we wanna bring the public in 01:35:06.000 --> 01:35:07.160 and hear what they have to say 01:35:07.160 --> 01:35:09.160 and what's really important, 01:35:09.160 --> 01:35:11.600 and anything that we can fit in into that design 01:35:11.600 --> 01:35:15.000 that makes sense, then of course we wanna do that. 01:35:15.000 --> 01:35:18.200 - As far as the second question, 01:35:18.200 --> 01:35:19.880 so like I mentioned earlier, 01:35:19.880 --> 01:35:21.800 we're always looking for grants. 01:35:21.800 --> 01:35:24.160 We do trip, we apply for trip funding, 01:35:24.160 --> 01:35:25.680 which is something we use, 01:35:25.680 --> 01:35:29.720 so anything that we haven't looked at them specific for this, 01:35:29.720 --> 01:35:31.800 but that of course will be something that we're looking at 01:35:31.800 --> 01:35:33.320 as we're moving through those processes 01:35:33.320 --> 01:35:36.120 and determining where we can pull in money from anywhere. 01:35:36.120 --> 01:35:39.600 - I got a couple. 01:35:39.600 --> 01:35:42.680 So you mentioned this was in the quiet zones 01:35:42.680 --> 01:35:45.960 from the 2014 bond, and there was a shortfall. 01:35:45.960 --> 01:35:50.560 How much money were we short on the quiet zones? 01:35:50.560 --> 01:35:52.240 - About $9 million. 01:35:52.240 --> 01:35:54.240 - And how much was allocated? 01:35:54.240 --> 01:35:56.320 - About $900,000. 01:35:56.320 --> 01:35:57.880 - So we had... 01:35:57.880 --> 01:36:00.880 (audience laughing) 01:36:00.880 --> 01:36:04.480 It sounds like one of my estimators did that. 01:36:04.480 --> 01:36:08.280 - The $10 million that it's gonna cost 01:36:08.280 --> 01:36:09.880 about to do the quiet zones this time, 01:36:09.880 --> 01:36:10.720 it's actually a little less, 01:36:10.720 --> 01:36:12.520 just with economies of scale. 01:36:12.520 --> 01:36:15.920 If we include it with this project, that's today's dollars, 01:36:15.920 --> 01:36:20.640 but the $900,000 wouldn't get us one quiet zone compliance. 01:36:20.640 --> 01:36:24.680 - So that money has already been spent on something else? 01:36:24.680 --> 01:36:26.200 I'm guessing. - Yes. 01:36:26.200 --> 01:36:27.800 - Okay, my next question. 01:36:27.800 --> 01:36:31.840 Do we know what the traffic counts are on Mingo? 01:36:31.840 --> 01:36:33.920 - I don't think we've done 01:36:33.920 --> 01:36:36.000 any of the traffic analysis yet. 01:36:36.000 --> 01:36:36.840 Did we do anything? 01:36:36.840 --> 01:36:38.720 We haven't done that yet. 01:36:38.720 --> 01:36:41.920 Those would be something that we would do, 01:36:41.920 --> 01:36:43.760 especially for that signal 01:36:43.760 --> 01:36:46.760 that's gonna happen right there at Mingo and Rudel. 01:36:46.760 --> 01:36:48.280 We know that those traffic counts 01:36:48.280 --> 01:36:50.160 are going to get there here in the near future. 01:36:50.160 --> 01:36:52.800 I don't think it's warranted for that traffic signal yet, 01:36:52.800 --> 01:36:56.120 but it makes sense to incorporate that into this design now, 01:36:56.120 --> 01:36:58.840 get it built so that we're not having to come back 01:36:58.840 --> 01:37:02.000 in a year or two when the traffic warrants that signal 01:37:02.000 --> 01:37:04.240 and getting that installed now. 01:37:04.240 --> 01:37:07.560 - So I have a comment before my question. 01:37:07.560 --> 01:37:08.960 I hope I don't get in trouble. 01:37:08.960 --> 01:37:12.120 I was on another committee like this, 01:37:12.120 --> 01:37:15.640 and a lot of the talk was about bike lanes. 01:37:15.640 --> 01:37:17.440 And then our bike lanes that got built 01:37:17.440 --> 01:37:18.680 were a bunch of small sections 01:37:18.680 --> 01:37:20.800 that didn't connect to other things, 01:37:20.800 --> 01:37:22.880 which actually I think ended up being more dangerous, 01:37:22.880 --> 01:37:25.760 because kids take off on a bike lane, then it ends. 01:37:25.760 --> 01:37:30.760 So curious, I know we don't have traffic counts for Mingo, 01:37:30.760 --> 01:37:32.920 but like we're proposing a 10-foot, 01:37:32.920 --> 01:37:35.080 we got bike lanes and a 10-foot pedestrian lane 01:37:35.080 --> 01:37:40.080 on one side, and I think it's set on there 15,000 people 01:37:40.080 --> 01:37:45.040 per day, and so as I look at Mingo and Rudel, 01:37:45.040 --> 01:37:48.240 I'm curious, are we expecting significantly 01:37:48.240 --> 01:37:50.400 more development to happen in these areas 01:37:50.400 --> 01:37:55.400 to create that much demand for pedestrians? 01:37:55.400 --> 01:37:58.000 'Cause when I look at this land over here, 01:37:58.000 --> 01:38:01.320 it doesn't seem like there's much left to be developed. 01:38:01.320 --> 01:38:04.520 So I'm curious, I mean, I personally have a problem 01:38:04.520 --> 01:38:07.960 with this kind of price tag on a section of road 01:38:07.960 --> 01:38:12.120 like this one, and I'm honestly trying to justify it 01:38:12.120 --> 01:38:15.560 in my mind, 'cause our vehicular lanes don't change. 01:38:15.560 --> 01:38:19.920 And then my last question was, 01:38:19.920 --> 01:38:22.560 if we don't know what the projected pedestrian 01:38:22.560 --> 01:38:24.360 and bicycle traffic would be 01:38:24.360 --> 01:38:27.760 or what the vehicular traffic is, 01:38:27.760 --> 01:38:31.120 it seems to me like it comes back to the quiet zones, 01:38:31.120 --> 01:38:33.760 and so I don't know if we have an analysis 01:38:33.760 --> 01:38:37.080 of how many people sleep within a certain distance 01:38:37.080 --> 01:38:40.120 of where these horns blow, and if we're projecting 01:38:40.120 --> 01:38:43.080 that there's gonna be more, I mean, if you're already there, 01:38:43.080 --> 01:38:45.280 I know it sucks, I live right next to one myself, 01:38:45.280 --> 01:38:49.160 and we just kinda get used to it, and the horns blow. 01:38:49.160 --> 01:38:50.920 But this is a pretty big price tag, 01:38:50.920 --> 01:38:53.760 so I'm curious if we're expecting more growth 01:38:53.760 --> 01:38:56.200 to happen in this area that's gonna create 01:38:56.200 --> 01:38:58.760 all this new demand for these roadways. 01:38:58.760 --> 01:39:00.320 Thank you. 01:39:00.320 --> 01:39:03.960 - Yeah, so I would say as far as the quiet zone, 01:39:03.960 --> 01:39:06.880 so going back to that, that has been a major push 01:39:06.880 --> 01:39:11.040 in the, I'll say the last year, making all of those, 01:39:11.040 --> 01:39:15.200 whether it's DCTA or UPRR, quiet zone compliant. 01:39:15.200 --> 01:39:18.360 So it's been a council priority to make that happen. 01:39:18.360 --> 01:39:21.640 This section, and I think we have a couple projects 01:39:21.640 --> 01:39:25.200 currently underway that are making some of those areas 01:39:25.200 --> 01:39:26.560 quiet zone compliant. 01:39:26.560 --> 01:39:28.960 This section, and there's one more that we just applied 01:39:28.960 --> 01:39:33.120 for trip funding to make those quiet zone compliant as well. 01:39:33.120 --> 01:39:35.240 As far as development in that area, 01:39:35.240 --> 01:39:38.680 I'm not sure about the answer to that question. 01:39:38.680 --> 01:39:40.200 And then going back to the bike lane, 01:39:40.200 --> 01:39:42.880 so just remember that this is a proposed right-of-way, 01:39:42.880 --> 01:39:45.480 and it's really going to be dictated by how much, 01:39:45.480 --> 01:39:48.040 or a proposed cross-section, and it would be dictated 01:39:48.040 --> 01:39:50.520 by how much right-of-way that we can get. 01:39:50.520 --> 01:39:53.520 A lot of places, we're installing a 10 or 12-foot 01:39:53.520 --> 01:39:58.000 mixed-use path that is also able to have bikes on it. 01:39:58.960 --> 01:40:00.600 Ultimately, that would be something 01:40:00.600 --> 01:40:04.040 that would go through our planning department, 01:40:04.040 --> 01:40:06.040 our planning committee, to determine 01:40:06.040 --> 01:40:07.600 what's necessary out there. 01:40:07.600 --> 01:40:11.240 Bikers tend, well, let me put it this way. 01:40:11.240 --> 01:40:15.220 Serious bikers tend to want to be on the street. 01:40:15.220 --> 01:40:18.200 They want to, they don't want to be on a shared-use path 01:40:18.200 --> 01:40:19.340 with other walkers. 01:40:19.340 --> 01:40:22.440 Now, the kind of the biker that's just out there 01:40:22.440 --> 01:40:24.320 having a good time and kind of riding around, 01:40:24.320 --> 01:40:27.000 they're fine with that 12-foot mixed-use path. 01:40:28.040 --> 01:40:30.680 So that would, of course, that would be determined 01:40:30.680 --> 01:40:34.160 by our planning department, and what would be, 01:40:34.160 --> 01:40:36.320 what we would be able to build out here. 01:40:36.320 --> 01:40:37.840 That's what it looks like. 01:40:37.840 --> 01:40:39.760 - Yes, my question. 01:40:39.760 --> 01:40:41.600 - So I've got a couple of things I wanted to add. 01:40:41.600 --> 01:40:45.400 So to answer your question, Mr. Davis, 01:40:45.400 --> 01:40:48.880 the actual quiet zone is from Mingo Mockingbird 01:40:48.880 --> 01:40:52.120 to Frame Street, but the overall roadway project 01:40:52.120 --> 01:40:55.320 would be from where it turns up and connects to 380, 01:40:55.320 --> 01:40:56.480 and then down into Bell. 01:40:56.480 --> 01:40:58.520 So it would be that full cross-section. 01:40:58.520 --> 01:41:01.400 So just wanted to make sure that you understood that. 01:41:01.400 --> 01:41:03.400 I think the other thing that maybe we're missing 01:41:03.400 --> 01:41:06.240 in the conversation that I want to make sure we add is, 01:41:06.240 --> 01:41:09.000 with Bell Avenue, we're looking at many other options 01:41:09.000 --> 01:41:10.920 besides closing that roadway. 01:41:10.920 --> 01:41:13.220 The reason why the roadway is 20 miles per hour 01:41:13.220 --> 01:41:16.280 is because the city passed a city-wide speed study 01:41:16.280 --> 01:41:19.000 where all university streets are 20 miles per hour, 01:41:19.000 --> 01:41:21.440 and that's a university street. 01:41:21.440 --> 01:41:24.360 We just presented on this just a few weeks ago. 01:41:24.360 --> 01:41:27.080 And the other thing I just wanted to mention is, 01:41:27.080 --> 01:41:29.160 throughout this entire corridor, 01:41:29.160 --> 01:41:32.720 it's our team's goal to try to look at anywhere we can 01:41:32.720 --> 01:41:35.040 to provide that multimodal perspective, 01:41:35.040 --> 01:41:38.060 so the bicycle and the pedestrian routes. 01:41:38.060 --> 01:41:39.760 And there's a substantial project 01:41:39.760 --> 01:41:42.200 that TxDOT's doing out of 380. 01:41:42.200 --> 01:41:44.000 If you drive out east of town, 01:41:44.000 --> 01:41:45.680 you'll see all kinds of sidewalk work 01:41:45.680 --> 01:41:47.440 that's happening out in that area. 01:41:47.440 --> 01:41:48.820 It gets you to the green belt. 01:41:48.820 --> 01:41:51.520 So it's our goal to work with the Parks and Rec Department, 01:41:51.520 --> 01:41:52.900 and that's why we've mentioned 01:41:52.900 --> 01:41:54.680 the Park Central's master plan, 01:41:54.680 --> 01:41:56.880 is to give folks an ability to go from 01:41:56.880 --> 01:42:00.000 the Pecan Creek areas, the areas that are near 01:42:00.000 --> 01:42:03.360 the Louisville Lake, all the way down into town, 01:42:03.360 --> 01:42:06.040 which will also get you into the downtown. 01:42:06.040 --> 01:42:07.560 The other thing I would mention is, 01:42:07.560 --> 01:42:09.320 as we're looking at the Bell Avenue, 01:42:09.320 --> 01:42:12.180 and Seth's team is working on this for Trevor, 01:42:12.180 --> 01:42:13.400 we're actually looking at, 01:42:13.400 --> 01:42:15.420 if we were to move forward with this project, 01:42:15.420 --> 01:42:17.880 and we receive the opportunity to do so, 01:42:17.880 --> 01:42:22.180 what could we do to incorporate the bike lanes to connect, 01:42:22.180 --> 01:42:24.360 the bike lane that you see right outside this building, 01:42:24.360 --> 01:42:28.480 right here, from Oakland, around the Quaker Town Park, 01:42:28.480 --> 01:42:31.980 and come down across Frame Street, 01:42:31.980 --> 01:42:34.520 come down into Bell, and provide that ability 01:42:34.520 --> 01:42:35.760 for folks to get into town. 01:42:35.760 --> 01:42:38.840 So don't think that these projects just start and stop. 01:42:38.840 --> 01:42:41.340 We're showing you one portion of the project, 01:42:41.340 --> 01:42:43.660 but we're actually looking and planning 01:42:43.660 --> 01:42:46.080 for how do you get from one side of the town to the other. 01:42:46.080 --> 01:42:47.520 So I just wanted to add that. 01:42:50.120 --> 01:42:53.560 - Yes, my question was, when you said increase safety, 01:42:53.560 --> 01:42:58.560 do you have data on mishap reports for a vehicular, 01:42:58.560 --> 01:43:03.720 bicycle, pedestrian, or has it been a fatality or something 01:43:03.720 --> 01:43:05.040 where you can kind of give us, 01:43:05.040 --> 01:43:07.840 and if that's really something that may be driving the cost 01:43:07.840 --> 01:43:09.700 and you just may not be giving it to us? 01:43:09.700 --> 01:43:13.340 - Sure, so I know Becky is probably gonna come talk about this. 01:43:13.340 --> 01:43:15.780 I'll answer to a part of that. 01:43:15.780 --> 01:43:19.620 So any time that you can pull pedestrians and bicyclists 01:43:19.620 --> 01:43:23.840 out of travel lanes, of driving travel lanes, 01:43:23.840 --> 01:43:24.800 you're increasing safety. 01:43:24.800 --> 01:43:28.120 So when you're dedicating lanes to people 01:43:28.120 --> 01:43:29.840 that are walking, to bicyclists, 01:43:29.840 --> 01:43:32.360 you're increasing safety really for both 01:43:32.360 --> 01:43:36.680 of the person on the bike and the person in the car. 01:43:36.680 --> 01:43:38.800 And of course, there's also other safety things 01:43:38.800 --> 01:43:42.240 that we're proposing in this, increased illumination. 01:43:42.240 --> 01:43:43.380 There's currently nothing out there 01:43:43.380 --> 01:43:46.040 where it's really dark at night. 01:43:46.040 --> 01:43:48.600 So there's a lot of different safety factors, 01:43:48.600 --> 01:43:52.960 even specific to the quiet zones, the double quad gates, 01:43:52.960 --> 01:43:56.280 crossings that meet safety requirements 01:43:56.280 --> 01:43:57.640 and things of that nature. 01:43:57.640 --> 01:44:00.800 So I'll let Becky kind of speak for the crash data 01:44:00.800 --> 01:44:03.040 and things like that. 01:44:03.040 --> 01:44:06.280 - So I would ask you to all take an opportunity 01:44:06.280 --> 01:44:09.120 to drive this roadway and see how many individuals 01:44:09.120 --> 01:44:11.920 are actually walking or bicycling on this roadway. 01:44:11.920 --> 01:44:14.700 You probably have some committee members in this room 01:44:14.700 --> 01:44:15.880 that could speak to that. 01:44:15.880 --> 01:44:19.520 And some will serve on our Traffic Safety Commission 01:44:19.520 --> 01:44:21.720 and definitely have brought this project 01:44:21.720 --> 01:44:23.720 to my attention multiple times. 01:44:23.720 --> 01:44:25.360 I think the other thing I would mention 01:44:25.360 --> 01:44:28.300 is we do evaluate all the individual crashes 01:44:28.300 --> 01:44:29.440 that come through the city. 01:44:29.440 --> 01:44:31.920 Traffic safety brings those to our attention. 01:44:31.920 --> 01:44:34.160 And we also work with our police department 01:44:34.160 --> 01:44:35.680 on different crashes. 01:44:35.680 --> 01:44:37.840 Some of the ones that we really pay attention to, 01:44:37.840 --> 01:44:41.260 obviously, are the fatal injuries or the severe injuries. 01:44:41.260 --> 01:44:44.100 And we review those on a monthly basis 01:44:44.100 --> 01:44:46.380 to see if there's anything that we need to address 01:44:46.380 --> 01:44:49.680 from a safety component or standpoint. 01:44:49.680 --> 01:44:51.480 So I hope that answers your question. 01:44:51.480 --> 01:44:52.480 We do have a map. 01:44:52.480 --> 01:44:54.920 We have links that we work through with COG 01:44:54.920 --> 01:44:56.640 that help track all of that information. 01:44:56.640 --> 01:44:59.840 And it's something that PD has regularly available for us. 01:44:59.840 --> 01:45:02.020 And one thing I wanted to mention, and I'm sorry, 01:45:02.020 --> 01:45:04.320 I just thought about something that would answer 01:45:04.320 --> 01:45:09.320 Ms. McAdams' question is we have performed traffic studies 01:45:09.320 --> 01:45:14.120 in the area that were specific to Mingo and Roodell 01:45:14.120 --> 01:45:17.600 and Bell Avenue during the Bell Avenue discussion. 01:45:17.600 --> 01:45:22.160 We have not performed any recent traffic studies in 2023. 01:45:22.160 --> 01:45:23.960 They were all done in 2020. 01:45:23.960 --> 01:45:26.760 So the studies in 2023 would be specific 01:45:26.760 --> 01:45:28.360 to what we need to do in this area 01:45:28.360 --> 01:45:31.980 and what roadway cross-section would make the most sense. 01:45:31.980 --> 01:45:34.960 We're trying to see what roadway cross-section we can fit, 01:45:34.960 --> 01:45:37.040 like Trevor mentioned, within the right-of-way, 01:45:37.040 --> 01:45:40.940 but still being able to provide that multimodal approach. 01:45:40.940 --> 01:45:42.000 - Okay, you got a question? 01:45:42.000 --> 01:45:43.880 Oh, actually, Susie's got a question, and then you. 01:45:43.880 --> 01:45:45.280 - I've got two questions, actually. 01:45:45.280 --> 01:45:47.400 First one should be easy, I think. 01:45:47.400 --> 01:45:48.900 So, I hope. 01:45:48.900 --> 01:45:52.280 So with the drainage, can you ballpark 01:45:52.280 --> 01:45:56.120 about how much of the total cost is just the drainage? 01:45:56.120 --> 01:45:58.000 - A lot of it. - Ish, like percent even, 01:45:58.000 --> 01:45:58.840 ballpark? 01:45:58.840 --> 01:46:04.080 - Seth, what do you think, 40%, 50%, okay. 01:46:04.080 --> 01:46:04.920 It's pretty high. 01:46:04.920 --> 01:46:07.280 Drainage is usually, if you have to install 01:46:07.280 --> 01:46:09.680 underground drainage, that is usually 01:46:09.680 --> 01:46:12.480 the driving factor on projects. 01:46:12.480 --> 01:46:15.560 So underground drainage is very expensive to install. 01:46:15.560 --> 01:46:18.560 We can get you that number, especially after, 01:46:18.560 --> 01:46:20.800 between now and next week, 'cause we're gonna be pulling 01:46:20.800 --> 01:46:23.400 together those updated numbers, so we can get you 01:46:23.400 --> 01:46:26.200 what, a nice percentage of what that looks. 01:46:26.200 --> 01:46:27.320 Probably 30%. 01:46:27.320 --> 01:46:30.520 I would have to see what size we're putting in, 01:46:30.520 --> 01:46:32.840 but it would be a large portion of it. 01:46:32.840 --> 01:46:35.360 - All right, then my other question is, 01:46:35.360 --> 01:46:38.240 so I know the city's working on a vision zero, 01:46:38.240 --> 01:46:41.560 safe systems kind of plan to try to reduce the fatalities 01:46:41.560 --> 01:46:43.360 and serious injuries in the city. 01:46:43.360 --> 01:46:46.760 And all the studies I've seen, 30 miles an hour 01:46:46.760 --> 01:46:49.760 if somebody's hit, they're about 50% likely 01:46:49.760 --> 01:46:52.040 to be severely injured or killed. 01:46:52.040 --> 01:46:54.000 And it's either at 40 or 45 miles an hour, 01:46:54.000 --> 01:46:56.200 that goes up to about 90% chance of the person 01:46:56.200 --> 01:46:57.880 being injured or killed. 01:46:57.880 --> 01:47:01.440 So what is the target speed for Mingo and Riddell 01:47:01.440 --> 01:47:03.800 that y'all are aiming for, that you're expecting? 01:47:03.800 --> 01:47:07.200 - So that would be dictated by the cross-section 01:47:07.200 --> 01:47:10.280 and the classification of road. 01:47:10.280 --> 01:47:12.520 What is it on a secondary arterial? 01:47:12.520 --> 01:47:18.040 35 or 30 to 40? 01:47:18.040 --> 01:47:26.480 - I was just gonna suggest what she said 01:47:26.480 --> 01:47:28.800 and ask you to drive down there. 01:47:28.800 --> 01:47:30.880 I have lived in Ditten for 34 years 01:47:30.880 --> 01:47:32.800 and I've always lived in District 1 01:47:32.800 --> 01:47:37.160 and I drive down Mingo, Riddell every single day, literally. 01:47:37.160 --> 01:47:40.320 And I've been working for the Ditten ISD for over 10 years 01:47:40.320 --> 01:47:42.080 and I'm familiar with all the schools in that area. 01:47:42.080 --> 01:47:43.680 And it's really disheartening for me 01:47:43.680 --> 01:47:46.240 to drive down that road, especially when you're on Mingo 01:47:46.240 --> 01:47:49.560 and you turn left onto Riddell, like you're going to Paisley. 01:47:49.560 --> 01:47:52.040 That street is the worst street I've ever seen in Ditten 01:47:52.040 --> 01:47:54.160 and I've literally lived here my whole life. 01:47:54.160 --> 01:47:56.600 And when you go to Teasley and it's so pretty on that side 01:47:56.600 --> 01:47:58.000 and now you go over to university 01:47:58.000 --> 01:48:00.400 where the new Ditten High is and it's beautiful on that side 01:48:00.400 --> 01:48:03.800 and then you come over to District 1 and this area 01:48:03.800 --> 01:48:07.480 and it's like you don't even care about your people 01:48:07.480 --> 01:48:08.920 in that street to fix the streets. 01:48:08.920 --> 01:48:10.960 So I really encourage you to drive down there 01:48:10.960 --> 01:48:13.120 and see the difference in just the street 01:48:13.120 --> 01:48:14.960 compared to the other streets in town. 01:48:14.960 --> 01:48:19.680 - Thanks, Maureen. - Thank you. 01:48:19.680 --> 01:48:23.920 - I have a question concerning the walkway 01:48:23.920 --> 01:48:25.160 and the bicycle lanes. 01:48:25.160 --> 01:48:30.160 Have you come up with a cost that that is an additional cost 01:48:30.280 --> 01:48:34.200 if it's for the road only and then additional 01:48:34.200 --> 01:48:37.760 for the bike lane and the walkers? 01:48:37.760 --> 01:48:41.360 How much additional cost is that for this project? 01:48:41.360 --> 01:48:44.280 - I don't have those numbers, but really the, 01:48:44.280 --> 01:48:46.080 so on-street biking, I mean, 01:48:46.080 --> 01:48:48.720 it's really just pavement markings. 01:48:48.720 --> 01:48:51.440 So installing sidewalk, the width of the sidewalk 01:48:51.440 --> 01:48:54.920 is negligible going between a five and a 10 foot. 01:48:54.920 --> 01:48:57.480 It's usually, depending on the length of it, 01:48:57.480 --> 01:49:01.520 a million, maybe half a million, million and a half, 01:49:01.520 --> 01:49:03.240 depending on the length. 01:49:03.240 --> 01:49:06.680 But adding a bike lane is pavement markings, which is. 01:49:06.680 --> 01:49:11.480 - Do you have a question for Paul? 01:49:11.480 --> 01:49:13.320 Okay, go ahead. 01:49:13.320 --> 01:49:14.800 - So I would just like to reiterate 01:49:14.800 --> 01:49:16.440 what a couple of people have said. 01:49:16.440 --> 01:49:20.160 I really think you guys need to go down and drive on Mingo. 01:49:20.160 --> 01:49:23.200 I work at Casa of Denton County, which is right on Bell. 01:49:23.200 --> 01:49:27.320 There are kids walking up and down Mingo 01:49:27.320 --> 01:49:29.640 every single day, particularly in the summer. 01:49:29.640 --> 01:49:32.920 Kids that are biking, kids that are walking, 01:49:32.920 --> 01:49:36.360 trying to get downtown and get to the parks. 01:49:36.360 --> 01:49:39.320 It really is a necessity that we have 01:49:39.320 --> 01:49:41.640 a safer street in that area. 01:49:41.640 --> 01:49:44.040 Also, I would like to say to somebody else's comment 01:49:44.040 --> 01:49:45.920 before about closing Bell. 01:49:45.920 --> 01:49:47.560 Bell was closed for construction 01:49:47.560 --> 01:49:50.120 for almost a year, right? 01:49:50.120 --> 01:49:53.240 And people figured out a way to get around that, 01:49:53.240 --> 01:49:55.680 so I'm not entirely sure that that should be 01:49:55.680 --> 01:49:57.440 one of our biggest considerations. 01:49:57.440 --> 01:50:01.200 Also, to keep in everyone's mind for these quiet zones, 01:50:01.200 --> 01:50:06.200 these were approved by voters previously on the 2014 bond. 01:50:06.200 --> 01:50:09.240 They didn't get done, they need to come back, 01:50:09.240 --> 01:50:12.440 because you have voters who have been out there, 01:50:12.440 --> 01:50:14.800 living out there for several years, 01:50:14.800 --> 01:50:17.840 who have been waiting for these things to come through. 01:50:17.840 --> 01:50:20.880 And we need to fulfill that promise to our constituents. 01:50:22.640 --> 01:50:26.000 - Right, and also I'd like to say that if you have 01:50:26.000 --> 01:50:28.920 more walkable options and options for people 01:50:28.920 --> 01:50:33.040 to bike down this road, to come down to downtown 01:50:33.040 --> 01:50:35.840 for events and things like that, 01:50:35.840 --> 01:50:39.440 you'll have less issues with parking downtown. 01:50:39.440 --> 01:50:43.720 - And just to reiterate, remember the process is 01:50:43.720 --> 01:50:46.040 this time's Q&A, not that it's fine. 01:50:46.040 --> 01:50:48.520 We've had some comments and that's fine. 01:50:48.520 --> 01:50:51.280 But we have the time for further discussion 01:50:51.280 --> 01:50:52.760 after the table talk where you can make 01:50:52.760 --> 01:50:54.000 whatever comments you want. 01:50:54.000 --> 01:50:58.400 So let's try and focus, the remaining will say two questions, 01:50:58.400 --> 01:51:01.560 if they're questions, for the staff on this project. 01:51:01.560 --> 01:51:03.080 Go ahead. 01:51:03.080 --> 01:51:05.720 - My question is, why you're looking at doing this 01:51:05.720 --> 01:51:07.960 as a three lane for a left turn lane 01:51:07.960 --> 01:51:09.640 when you're eliminating two crossings 01:51:09.640 --> 01:51:12.480 across the railroad track and adding a stoplight 01:51:12.480 --> 01:51:15.360 at one of the other ones, so there's not too many people 01:51:15.360 --> 01:51:19.560 gonna be making a left hand turn to the south. 01:51:19.560 --> 01:51:21.480 - Yeah, we can definitely evaluate what those different 01:51:21.480 --> 01:51:25.240 cross sections look like depending on what the feedback is 01:51:25.240 --> 01:51:27.920 or even what traffic patterns look like. 01:51:27.920 --> 01:51:30.600 This was just a proposed example. 01:51:30.600 --> 01:51:32.800 So that would definitely be something we would work through 01:51:32.800 --> 01:51:34.200 during that design process. 01:51:34.200 --> 01:51:38.440 - Okay, I'd like to just clarify, 01:51:38.440 --> 01:51:41.080 what is the extent of the Mingo Road? 01:51:41.080 --> 01:51:44.600 Is it just from Bell to Mockingbird? 01:51:44.600 --> 01:51:47.320 - Bell to 380. 01:51:47.320 --> 01:51:49.120 - Bell to 380, okay. 01:51:49.120 --> 01:51:51.480 - Quiet zone, so the quiet zone portion would create 01:51:51.480 --> 01:51:55.040 the quiet zone from Frame to Mockingbird 01:51:55.040 --> 01:51:59.240 and the project extents would be from Bell to 380. 01:51:59.240 --> 01:52:03.120 - Okay, how far out from there could we go 01:52:03.120 --> 01:52:07.040 and work with the county to extend this type 01:52:07.040 --> 01:52:09.840 of infrastructure all the way out to Collins Road? 01:52:09.840 --> 01:52:15.080 - Whenever she starts walking up, I just get up. 01:52:15.080 --> 01:52:17.040 (laughing) 01:52:17.040 --> 01:52:18.800 - We make a good team. 01:52:18.800 --> 01:52:22.680 We actually are in conversations with the county 01:52:22.680 --> 01:52:25.160 on projects just like what you're talking about. 01:52:25.160 --> 01:52:27.560 This would just be the first phase of trying to get 01:52:27.560 --> 01:52:30.120 the infrastructure that's needed through town. 01:52:30.120 --> 01:52:34.200 I will mention to you as we're working on the Loop 288 01:52:34.200 --> 01:52:39.200 frontage road project that will go from 380 to 35. 01:52:39.200 --> 01:52:41.280 It's currently a controlled freeway 01:52:41.280 --> 01:52:43.720 and they have frontage roads they're adding. 01:52:43.720 --> 01:52:46.200 We're already looking at cross sections where roadways 01:52:46.200 --> 01:52:49.920 would cross, for example, at Mingo and submitting to them 01:52:49.920 --> 01:52:52.760 this as an example to show them what the city 01:52:52.760 --> 01:52:54.920 would like to have in the future. 01:52:54.920 --> 01:52:56.760 So they're making sure that they're dedicating 01:52:56.760 --> 01:52:58.200 enough right of way in those areas. 01:52:58.200 --> 01:53:00.360 So we're already thinking in those terms 01:53:00.360 --> 01:53:03.240 and that would maybe be another phase of a project. 01:53:03.240 --> 01:53:06.400 - Okay, I'm gonna take chair's privilege 01:53:06.400 --> 01:53:08.520 to ask a question at the end. 01:53:08.520 --> 01:53:10.520 Because somebody had asked a question about future 01:53:10.520 --> 01:53:14.120 development in that area and how that might impact this. 01:53:14.120 --> 01:53:18.280 TWU, I understand, has a master plan that envisions 01:53:18.280 --> 01:53:21.440 developing on the former golf course 01:53:21.440 --> 01:53:23.200 with a lot of residence halls 01:53:23.200 --> 01:53:25.560 and all sorts of other sorts of things. 01:53:25.560 --> 01:53:28.520 Do we know whether or not part of their plans 01:53:28.520 --> 01:53:32.240 or have they engaged us on this involve ingress, egress 01:53:32.240 --> 01:53:34.960 onto Riddell or onto Mingo? 01:53:34.960 --> 01:53:36.920 How does that impact your thinking? 01:53:36.920 --> 01:53:40.560 - So we do coordinate with TWU just like we do UNT 01:53:40.560 --> 01:53:42.240 and all these other outside entities. 01:53:42.240 --> 01:53:44.840 We have seen their master plan, 01:53:44.840 --> 01:53:46.920 or at least their draft of it. 01:53:46.920 --> 01:53:49.360 They are not far enough down the road on that 01:53:49.360 --> 01:53:51.400 to let us know what that looks like, 01:53:51.400 --> 01:53:52.680 but we do coordinate with them. 01:53:52.680 --> 01:53:56.120 They know that this is a possible project that's coming up 01:53:56.120 --> 01:53:58.480 and we have had conversations about what that looks like 01:53:58.480 --> 01:54:00.680 in conjunction with their master plan. 01:54:00.680 --> 01:54:02.520 - I miss something that's just out of time. 01:54:02.520 --> 01:54:05.040 - Well, then I would just add that we also 01:54:05.040 --> 01:54:07.640 not only have looked at it from where the roadway 01:54:07.640 --> 01:54:10.480 would connect, but also similar with the trails. 01:54:10.480 --> 01:54:12.560 They are going to have a substantial trail system. 01:54:12.560 --> 01:54:15.840 You might know now where it used to be a golf path, 01:54:15.840 --> 01:54:19.120 where golf carts went, is now more of a trail path. 01:54:19.120 --> 01:54:21.600 And so we would want our trail system to connect to theirs 01:54:21.600 --> 01:54:24.000 no different than their drainage system would connect 01:54:24.000 --> 01:54:25.320 to our drainage system. 01:54:25.320 --> 01:54:27.880 So we are looking big picture as we try to coordinate 01:54:27.880 --> 01:54:29.600 all of these projects. 01:54:29.600 --> 01:54:31.520 - All right, let's get into our small groups 01:54:31.520 --> 01:54:32.840 and continue that conversation. 01:54:32.840 --> 01:54:36.360 We'll come back for more time of discussion. 01:54:36.360 --> 01:54:41.360 (people chattering) 01:55:06.360 --> 01:55:11.360 (people chattering) 01:55:36.360 --> 01:55:41.360 (people chattering) 01:55:41.360 --> 01:55:46.360 (people chattering) 01:55:46.360 --> 01:55:51.360 (people chattering) 01:55:51.360 --> 01:55:56.360 (people chattering) 01:55:56.360 --> 01:56:01.360 (people chattering) 01:56:01.360 --> 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02:28:58.360 Thank you, Ryan. So these are some maps of the current condition 02:28:58.360 --> 02:29:03.360 and the proposed conditions. So on the left, that's what it looks like now. And then after this project 02:29:03.360 --> 02:29:08.360 would be completed, you can see the benefit and the proposed conditions 02:29:08.360 --> 02:29:13.360 after completion. So here's the estimated cost. 02:29:13.360 --> 02:29:18.360 We didn't have any design costs associated in here, but usually that runs about 02:29:18.360 --> 02:29:23.360 10% of what the construction cost looks like. So you can estimate that or be anywhere from 02:29:23.360 --> 02:29:28.360 one and a half million dollars to design this project. With a total project cost would 02:29:28.360 --> 02:29:33.360 most likely be around the 22, 23 million dollar project, but like I said earlier, you'll get those 02:29:33.360 --> 02:29:38.360 updated numbers next week. 02:29:38.360 --> 02:29:43.360 And that's the end. That's this one yet. Thank you. 02:29:43.360 --> 02:29:48.360 Questions, comments? We're going to take away table talk on this one as well, so we'll 02:29:48.360 --> 02:29:53.360 keep it all in one section. I'll be really quick. I just want to say that drainage 02:29:53.360 --> 02:29:58.360 is probably the least sexy thing we're going to look at in this whole bond. It looks like a water slide, but it's not as cool 02:29:58.360 --> 02:30:03.360 as a water slide. But bang for our buck, 02:30:03.360 --> 02:30:08.360 one of the very best things we can spend bond money on. If you go back and look at the last 02:30:08.360 --> 02:30:13.360 four or five years of city council meetings trying to find funding for this part of this project, 02:30:13.360 --> 02:30:18.360 because the other part you saw has already been completed, has been difficult looking under every stone, 02:30:18.360 --> 02:30:23.360 looking at different pots of money, looking at different regional partners and stuff. 02:30:23.360 --> 02:30:28.360 Finding the funding has been very difficult, but look at the number of businesses and homes that are out of the floodplain 02:30:28.360 --> 02:30:33.360 and what this can do for downtown. This is maybe the most important project 02:30:33.360 --> 02:30:38.360 we're going to look at this whole project, or excuse me, this whole process, and it's 02:30:38.360 --> 02:30:43.360 rainwater. It's stormwater and stuff. So don't underestimate the value 02:30:43.360 --> 02:30:48.360 of putting some of this underground and moving that stormwater further 02:30:48.360 --> 02:30:53.360 downstream. And look for more of these projects in the future, because there's more opportunities around town. 02:30:53.360 --> 02:30:58.360 Thank you. I wanted to ask about the channels 02:30:58.360 --> 02:31:03.360 that are near the Carroll Courts building in Oakland. Some of the older 02:31:03.360 --> 02:31:08.360 parts of town you could see that they had the stone walls. 02:31:08.360 --> 02:31:13.360 Those were actually installed during WPA, 02:31:13.360 --> 02:31:18.360 the works project. I'm so tired, y'all. 02:31:18.360 --> 02:31:23.360 I'm sure y'all are too. My brain has quit. There's some historic 02:31:23.360 --> 02:31:28.360 significance to that. Is there a possibility of saving those and utilizing them for some other type 02:31:28.360 --> 02:31:33.360 of project for the community? Yeah, great question. So we actually already have 02:31:33.360 --> 02:31:38.360 95% plans on this. We were able to use some drainage funding to get part of this project already designed. 02:31:38.360 --> 02:31:43.360 So portions of the channel in front of the Carroll Courts building, actually it was really close to 02:31:43.360 --> 02:31:48.360 the Carroll Courts building, the boxes you can see we propose are going to be in the street. So we would actually 02:31:48.360 --> 02:31:53.360 connect those existing stone channels into these boxes and leave those in place. 02:31:53.360 --> 02:31:58.360 And so that would be kind of drainage for those properties that would then connect to the main boxes in the 02:31:58.360 --> 02:32:03.360 street. So our main boxes would not leave kind of Mulberry, Bernard, 02:32:03.360 --> 02:32:08.360 but of course as we go north and south it would cut in between the homes as we went that direction. 02:32:08.360 --> 02:32:13.360 So I just want to encourage you guys and I really appreciate you saying 02:32:13.360 --> 02:32:18.360 we're going to update these costs. Nothing more frustrating 02:32:18.360 --> 02:32:23.360 than going to these committees, do the work, go out and convince people, get them excited. 02:32:23.360 --> 02:32:28.360 And like this one, we got a lot of these downtown property owners excited 02:32:28.360 --> 02:32:33.360 only to find out later that the project was going to stop at Elm because 02:32:33.360 --> 02:32:38.360 the cost estimates that were used were old. So I really encourage you guys to think about 02:32:38.360 --> 02:32:43.360 like I would much rather you overestimate and say this one we think will 02:32:43.360 --> 02:32:48.360 happen, the work will happen sometime between whatever, 25 and 27 and the project 02:32:48.360 --> 02:32:53.360 will cost likely somewhere between this and this than to assign a value to it 02:32:53.360 --> 02:32:58.360 and then the next bond committee is here and we're hearing about 02:32:58.360 --> 02:33:03.360 quiet zones that were 10% funded, right? And so I would rather have 02:33:03.360 --> 02:33:08.360 overestimated costs which give us a little bit of cushion 02:33:08.360 --> 02:33:13.360 that allow us when we prioritize at the end, we want to make sure we have a big enough 02:33:13.360 --> 02:33:18.360 bucket of money because I think some of our citizens, I've heard it, 02:33:18.360 --> 02:33:23.360 they get frustrated with there's another bond election but you've only spent half of what you got 02:33:23.360 --> 02:33:28.360 seven or eight years ago. And to piggyback on what Jesse said, 02:33:28.360 --> 02:33:33.360 if you take a drive and just look south of the square between 02:33:33.360 --> 02:33:38.360 Locust and Elm and look at the revitalization that's happening as a result 02:33:38.360 --> 02:33:43.360 of the first phase of this, it will be 02:33:43.360 --> 02:33:48.360 five times that when this one happens. So I would really encourage 02:33:48.360 --> 02:33:53.360 everybody, Jesse's right, it's not sexy but 02:33:53.360 --> 02:33:58.360 five to ten years later when you see what happens and the tax base that gets created because we made the 02:33:58.360 --> 02:34:03.360 investment, these things will pay for themselves an additional tax base 02:34:03.360 --> 02:34:08.360 but we got to get them done and so please give us safe estimates. 02:34:08.360 --> 02:34:13.360 And we'll be creating Drainage's sexy t-shirts for everyone 02:34:13.360 --> 02:34:18.360 at the next couple meetings. I'll buy one of those 02:34:18.360 --> 02:34:23.360 t-shirts and I want to pile on to what everyone else is saying. I mean the downtown is some of 02:34:23.360 --> 02:34:28.360 our most efficient acre per acre tax revenue makers so 02:34:28.360 --> 02:34:33.360 this is going to pay for itself. I'm curious if anybody in the room at all can 02:34:33.360 --> 02:34:38.360 estimate a dollar value of how much we unlock by removing 02:34:38.360 --> 02:34:43.360 these areas out of the floodplain or I can parking lot that if we think it's possible to even get that number. 02:34:43.360 --> 02:34:48.360 I think we can work with our development services 02:34:48.360 --> 02:34:53.360 team and our downtown economic team to get those numbers. 02:34:53.360 --> 02:34:58.360 Any other comments or questions on this one? 02:34:58.360 --> 02:35:03.360 And you guys are moving right along. Yeah, Susie. I'll be quick. So as far as 02:35:03.360 --> 02:35:08.360 completing this project, are there any thoughts or plans of putting anything on top of the channels 02:35:08.360 --> 02:35:13.360 that y'all are putting in? So most of these are under the street if I remember correctly. 02:35:13.360 --> 02:35:18.360 Yeah, so Trevor's right. Most of it's in the street. 02:35:18.360 --> 02:35:23.360 The portion that goes from Prairie Street all the way up to Mulberry will still have to have surface drainage 02:35:23.360 --> 02:35:28.360 so you'll still have flumes with inlets on top of the boxes so it's probably not the safest 02:35:28.360 --> 02:35:33.360 best idea to put people through there and of course these will also be really close to folks' homes 02:35:33.360 --> 02:35:38.360 so having people walking through backyards and stuff may be a little bit invasive. 02:35:38.360 --> 02:35:43.360 Alright, next item, number seven and the last one, public art. 02:35:43.360 --> 02:35:48.360 Thank you guys. 02:35:48.360 --> 02:35:53.360 Okay, we've arrived at the 02:35:53.360 --> 02:35:58.360 last presentation. Mindy, I hope you can hang in there for it. 02:35:58.360 --> 02:36:03.360 So as a committee you have a charge 02:36:03.360 --> 02:36:08.360 as you're thinking about all these projects. You have a decision, do you want public art 02:36:08.360 --> 02:36:13.360 to be in and if yes, then what percentage do you want to fund it? 02:36:13.360 --> 02:36:18.360 Some background information on how prior committees have handled public art. So in 02:36:18.360 --> 02:36:23.360 2020-2012 Vaughn Program they did 2% of all projects 02:36:23.360 --> 02:36:28.360 which was a very large amount of public art, $400,000. After that happened in 02:36:28.360 --> 02:36:33.360 2012 the city council came back and did a revised public art policy 02:36:33.360 --> 02:36:38.360 that spoke to any future bond city council will determine 02:36:38.360 --> 02:36:43.360 will consider anywhere between 2-4% of basically vertical construction 02:36:43.360 --> 02:36:48.360 projects, ones that didn't apply to streets, drainage, traffic control or other related 02:36:48.360 --> 02:36:53.360 infrastructure. So the 2014 Vaughn Program was the next one after that revised 02:36:53.360 --> 02:36:58.360 public art policy and they did 2% of the vertical construction projects. 02:36:58.360 --> 02:37:03.360 They did amend that policy into a small portion to streets, the majority of it 02:37:03.360 --> 02:37:08.360 to the public safety facilities which were part of that proposition and then 02:37:08.360 --> 02:37:13.360 $180,000 to park system improvements. In 2019 they did things a little differently and 02:37:13.360 --> 02:37:18.360 again they did a revision to the art policy and did a separate proposition for public art. 02:37:18.360 --> 02:37:23.360 And that proposition did not pass that separate proposition. 02:37:23.360 --> 02:37:28.360 A couple different art projects in the community. So your 02:37:28.360 --> 02:37:33.360 decision, your charge as the committee is to decide and maybe have these options backwards 02:37:33.360 --> 02:37:38.360 is first you can recommend not to include public art. The second option is 02:37:38.360 --> 02:37:43.360 you can include to recommend it and then what percentage would you like to make a 02:37:43.360 --> 02:37:48.360 recommendation on. So starting in meeting 5 and 6 you're going to have those updated 02:37:48.360 --> 02:37:53.360 numbers. We have a cap in which you are unable to go over. 02:37:53.360 --> 02:37:58.360 So right now 2% of the vertical construction 02:37:58.360 --> 02:38:03.360 projects. 02:38:03.360 --> 02:38:08.360 So 2%, 3% or 4% on the current projects. That's right now what you're seeing currently 02:38:08.360 --> 02:38:13.360 as presented. So if you change, if you leave library in, take another 02:38:13.360 --> 02:38:18.360 structure out, those percentages will change and then you'll be making a recommendation. 02:38:18.360 --> 02:38:23.360 And just a quick reminder 02:38:23.360 --> 02:38:28.360 as part of this you're not considering any specific projects. So public art right now 02:38:28.360 --> 02:38:33.360 is governed by, there's a public art policy, there's a public art master plan the city's 02:38:33.360 --> 02:38:38.360 adopted and then we have a public art committee. And in addition to that any bond program 02:38:38.360 --> 02:38:43.360 which public art is included in goes through a bond oversight committee. So projects 02:38:43.360 --> 02:38:48.360 once they're funded then we'll go through the public art committee to determine what type of art at the 02:38:48.360 --> 02:38:53.360 specific locations and we'll go through that ultimately council approval process before any 02:38:53.360 --> 02:38:58.360 projects are started. And that question has come up 02:38:58.360 --> 02:39:03.360 in a couple different ones I wanted to hit on. So bond funds are dedicated to the purchase and installation of the art 02:39:03.360 --> 02:39:08.360 and then ongoing maintenance as part of the parks and recreation 02:39:08.360 --> 02:39:13.360 operating budget. Any questions on public art? 02:39:13.360 --> 02:39:18.360 Christine, one quick question. Does the policy at one point require that the 02:39:18.360 --> 02:39:23.360 art be a part of the project that was approved by the 02:39:23.360 --> 02:39:28.360 voters? Is that still what the policy is? That's correct unless you amend it to do a separate one 02:39:28.360 --> 02:39:33.360 for streets but yes it does have to be connected to it. So in some of those pictures where in prior 02:39:33.360 --> 02:39:38.360 bonds you've had a fire station there's public art out at that facility. 02:39:38.360 --> 02:39:43.360 In the 2014 one I think it showed there was a street dollar amount for streets which is the 02:39:43.360 --> 02:39:48.360 roundabout over near the hospital where you're seeing that dog star public art on the roundabout. 02:39:48.360 --> 02:39:53.360 So the location of the art would be tied to the proximity of the projects that are 02:39:53.360 --> 02:39:58.360 approved in the propositions. Any of the vertical projects? Correct. Questions? 02:39:58.360 --> 02:40:03.360 How much money is in the public art fund today? 02:40:03.360 --> 02:40:08.360 I don't have that. So I don't have that. We can follow up on what that fund balance looks like. 02:40:08.360 --> 02:40:13.360 They get an allocation annually from hot funds but major projects are typically 02:40:13.360 --> 02:40:18.360 funded out of the bond program. So the utility wraps that you're seeing 02:40:18.360 --> 02:40:23.360 on some of the utility boxes right now came from that budget. They go after different 02:40:23.360 --> 02:40:28.360 grants for public art but we'll send through the parking lot what their current balance is. Okay because there was 02:40:28.360 --> 02:40:33.360 a half million dollars in the public art fund in 2019. During that bond program? 02:40:33.360 --> 02:40:38.360 And if you can tell around town Parks and Recreation and the Public Art Committee has done 02:40:38.360 --> 02:40:43.360 an amazing job the last couple years. There is so much public art throughout the community so 02:40:43.360 --> 02:40:48.360 we'll see if that was maybe utilized when it's gone down. For the design and creation of the 02:40:48.360 --> 02:40:53.360 art pieces, does that go to artists in Denton or does that money 02:40:53.360 --> 02:40:58.360 stay in Denton? So we're giving it but it's sort of reinvesting back in the community a bit. Public art 02:40:58.360 --> 02:41:03.360 has a little bit different procurement policies than typically anything else the city procures. 02:41:03.360 --> 02:41:08.360 We do go out and do a call for artists and there is an evaluation so they do 02:41:08.360 --> 02:41:13.360 the evaluation committee does have the opportunity to say we want that to be a local artist 02:41:13.360 --> 02:41:18.360 but there's not a requirement that it has to be a local artist. 02:41:18.360 --> 02:41:23.360 My question is on that slide where you said proposed we have option one and option two. 02:41:23.360 --> 02:41:28.360 Could this committee decide or make a recommendation for an option 02:41:28.360 --> 02:41:33.360 three which would be we want to include in this bond election 02:41:33.360 --> 02:41:38.360 one million dollars or two million dollars whatever the number is specifically for 02:41:38.360 --> 02:41:43.360 public art and not have it be a percentage and not have it be no we don't want 02:41:43.360 --> 02:41:48.360 it included? I think you can make that recommendation and because that's previously what's been done is to 02:41:48.360 --> 02:41:53.360 go back and just amend that policy so yes. I think if you're wanting to determine 02:41:53.360 --> 02:41:58.360 a certain dollar amount we would then need to do recommend to council and then we do an amendment 02:41:58.360 --> 02:42:03.360 to the public art policy prior to going in at any proposition. 02:42:03.360 --> 02:42:08.360 Okay thanks. 02:42:08.360 --> 02:42:13.360 Any other questions or discussion on this topic? 02:42:13.360 --> 02:42:18.360 Okay thank you Christine and we 02:42:18.360 --> 02:42:23.360 just in the nick of time. 02:42:23.360 --> 02:42:28.360 As one who has lived here since 1957 when we didn't have 02:42:28.360 --> 02:42:33.360 public art to speak of at all I think it has made an amazing 02:42:33.360 --> 02:42:38.360 difference in our city. I just what we've done about 02:42:38.360 --> 02:42:43.360 public art and I hope we continue. 02:42:43.360 --> 02:42:48.360 Thank you. Okay we have one more topic 02:42:48.360 --> 02:42:53.360 relating to the facilities tour in case there's any conversation about that. 02:42:53.360 --> 02:42:58.360 We wanted to have a point on the agenda for it but before we get to that the facilitators 02:42:58.360 --> 02:43:03.360 at your table have those half sheets of paper for the temperature gauge that we did. 02:43:03.360 --> 02:43:08.360 Hopefully you saw the results of that which I think is helpful to just kind of get a sense of what those are 02:43:08.360 --> 02:43:13.360 and this will help bring us up to date in case there's any movement on any of our thoughts on those 02:43:13.360 --> 02:43:18.360 projects as well as 02:43:18.360 --> 02:43:23.360 the ones we heard today. So while you guys can do that I wanted to see in 02:43:23.360 --> 02:43:28.360 item C hold a discussion to provide feedback regarding the June 10th facilities tour. 02:43:28.360 --> 02:43:33.360 Any comments or discussion? There doesn't have to be much but we 02:43:33.360 --> 02:43:38.360 wanted to make a placeholder in here in case there was. 02:43:38.360 --> 02:43:43.360 I just wanted to thank all the staff that came along with us and not all of them are here the department heads and 02:43:43.360 --> 02:43:48.360 at the facilities but everybody just did an excellent job 02:43:48.360 --> 02:43:53.360 explaining things and answering questions and not all of our questions were expected or even 02:43:53.360 --> 02:43:58.360 necessarily pertinent to what they expected to be talking about but the staff just did a fantastic job 02:43:58.360 --> 02:44:03.360 doing the tour and facilitating it and answering questions at each site. So thank you. 02:44:03.360 --> 02:44:08.360 And just a quick comment, if you are having trouble 02:44:08.360 --> 02:44:13.360 facilitating the survey through your phone, the temperature gauge, I think we have some 02:44:13.360 --> 02:44:18.360 options there in the back to be able to help you do that while you're here 02:44:18.360 --> 02:44:23.360 because this will eventually turn off at some point and so we want to make sure you have the option to do that. 02:44:23.360 --> 02:44:28.360 Any other comments? It's laptops, yes. So if somebody needs a bigger screen 02:44:28.360 --> 02:44:33.360 or your device is dying, there are laptops in the back you can use and I think last time we 02:44:33.360 --> 02:44:38.360 closed it down shortly after the meeting. Any other comments or 02:44:38.360 --> 02:44:43.360 discussion relating to the facilities tour? 02:44:43.360 --> 02:44:48.360 Okay, well we'll close out that item and then real quick before we adjourn on 02:44:48.360 --> 02:44:53.360 including items, we had a couple questions about kind of the meetings moving forward. 02:44:53.360 --> 02:44:58.360 There's no meeting scheduled for next week and then there's a meeting for the next week 02:44:58.360 --> 02:45:03.360 and then the following week. The following week is July 7th I believe 02:45:03.360 --> 02:45:08.360 and there has been some conversation as to whether or not folks are out on vacation. 02:45:08.360 --> 02:45:13.360 That's July 4th week with July 4th hitting a Tuesday I think. 02:45:13.360 --> 02:45:18.360 So the option is to be able to actually move that meeting back 02:45:18.360 --> 02:45:23.360 a week. So I'm throwing that out there as a pitch for you all 02:45:23.360 --> 02:45:28.360 not to discuss right now but that we'll follow up via email if you have any thoughts one way 02:45:28.360 --> 02:45:33.360 or the other on moving that to the subsequent week. We have the ability to do so 02:45:33.360 --> 02:45:38.360 and get it out of that July 4th week and into the following week. 02:45:38.360 --> 02:45:43.360 So I'll throw something out. If you have comments, email me 02:45:43.360 --> 02:45:48.360 contact me via phone or email after this meeting and we don't want to screw up 02:45:48.360 --> 02:45:53.360 anyone's schedule if you already kind of scheduled that in but if it's an option to do that we might be able to 02:45:53.360 --> 02:45:58.360 since it's the last meeting get more people involved in that final important discussion. 02:45:58.360 --> 02:46:03.360 Alright with that, finish up your survey and thank you all 02:46:03.360 --> 02:46:08.360 for your patience and time and attention. We are adjourned.