WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:07.500 welcome everybody it's six o'clock and I would like to call the meeting to order 00:00:07.500 --> 00:00:13.200 and we have a couple of what we have three agenda items tonight the first is 00:00:13.200 --> 00:00:22.040 to consider approval of the minutes for the June 1st 20 23rd meeting motion to 00:00:22.040 --> 00:00:40.640 approve do we have a second did anyone see that was emailed out on Monday I 00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:51.880 believe so we have a motion and a second all those in favor I the motion was made 00:00:51.880 --> 00:01:01.880 by in seconded by Peggy caps all those in favor raise your hand and say aye all 00:01:01.880 --> 00:01:06.880 those opposed second item of business receive a report and hold a discussion 00:01:06.880 --> 00:01:10.640 regarding the scope and processes relating to the items to be addressed 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:14.840 and discussed during the meetings of the special citizens bond advisory committee 00:01:14.840 --> 00:01:24.920 and do I have control this thing I just ended it so you guys receive this from 00:01:24.920 --> 00:01:29.380 me again as a result of the direction from last week we obviously have a 00:01:29.380 --> 00:01:33.800 different direction than the process in place as a result our professional 00:01:33.800 --> 00:01:38.360 facilitator will not be continuing to join these meetings so it's it's up to 00:01:38.360 --> 00:01:42.320 us to continue this process moving forward so what we wanted to do is paint 00:01:42.320 --> 00:01:46.720 out a way based on the feedback that we've been getting to date of how to do 00:01:46.720 --> 00:01:50.520 that so to start off with we'll go this pretty quickly so hopefully you guys 00:01:50.520 --> 00:01:54.760 have reviewed this presentation by city staff the only change here is that 00:01:54.760 --> 00:01:59.280 moving forward we've asked for additional specifics relating to project 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:03.800 recommendation including the context of the proposal what is being proposed and 00:02:03.800 --> 00:02:07.040 its estimated cost it seems like there's a lot of questions around those each 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:10.640 time those presentations were having and the staff has agreed to present those 00:02:10.640 --> 00:02:14.700 you'll see those starting tonight secondly moving on the committee Q&A 00:02:14.700 --> 00:02:17.840 we want to preserve the greatness that happened last week you guys said loud 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:22.080 and clear from vote of 20 to 11 I think that you wanted to have Q&A fully 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:28.400 unfettered unvetted unmitigated by table talk conversations that are voted to the 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:33.880 top we're gonna continue doing that at a time at the discretion of me depending 00:02:33.880 --> 00:02:38.580 on the time we have that evening or the particular topic as it seems like we 00:02:38.580 --> 00:02:42.660 need more time to camp on it moving on to the last thing you see there and I'll 00:02:42.660 --> 00:02:48.320 move back up to the other two we wanted to augment that Q&A time a lot of folks 00:02:48.320 --> 00:02:52.440 were saying in addition to questions of the city staff sometimes we just have 00:02:52.440 --> 00:02:55.920 comments we want to make or maybe you've got some personal or professional 00:02:55.920 --> 00:03:00.080 expertise you want to bring to the table and you want to share that a time for 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:03.620 committee deliberation if you will around these because at the end of the 00:03:03.620 --> 00:03:07.120 day that's what we have to do to be able to get on the same page and be able to 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:11.200 forward a solid recommendation to the City Council that we think can pass the 00:03:11.200 --> 00:03:15.120 muster of the entire city when this ultimately goes to a vote so what we 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:19.920 were proposing is that in addition to the Q&A we'll restrict the Q&A to Q&A 00:03:19.920 --> 00:03:24.060 while we have our staff presenter up here so that we can make sure that we 00:03:24.060 --> 00:03:28.640 have a time just for questions for them but then once we've exhausted those 00:03:28.640 --> 00:03:33.400 questions we want to move on for a time for us as a committee to deliberate this 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:36.240 is where maybe you've got an additional brainstorm maybe you've got an 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:40.040 additional comment again this will be at my discretion from a time perspective 00:03:40.040 --> 00:03:43.800 to keep us moving forward based on the chatter and what you guys feel like you 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:46.560 want to do we want to give us as much time to be able to dive in as possible 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:51.040 but that's an augmentation from last week's approach I think meant to kind of 00:03:51.040 --> 00:03:56.440 bolster our substantive discussion around these topics small group time I 00:03:56.440 --> 00:04:01.200 think some of the concerns and you guys can tell me during this discussion that 00:04:01.200 --> 00:04:04.960 we'll have on this is that part of the concern with small group time was the 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:08.960 feel that the questions that were addressed in a large group setting had 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:13.720 to be vetted and filtered through that small group time I get that that's no 00:04:13.720 --> 00:04:16.560 longer the case given the way we're doing the Q&A time in the open 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:21.760 discussion time but there has been some feedback given to me at the end of last 00:04:21.760 --> 00:04:24.600 week as well as throughout the week as we've been sending out these updates 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:29.720 that there is value to being able to listen to what staff has to say and then 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:33.840 have a time at least initially to reflect with a smaller group and to be 00:04:33.840 --> 00:04:37.120 able to throw out some brainstorms maybe some questions maybe just get their 00:04:37.120 --> 00:04:41.000 creative juices churning because at the end of the day we don't want just the 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:45.000 five or six people who have the time to speak or ask questions during that large 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:49.280 group time to be able to chime in we want to take advantage of time to be 00:04:49.280 --> 00:04:53.120 able to dig in in smaller formats where folks who maybe aren't as comfortable 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:57.240 sharing in a larger format or maybe just need that processing time to get primed 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:01.040 up ahead of the larger time have that opportunity that's the spirit behind the 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:05.560 small group time that's it nothing about that is filtering the questions through 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:10.400 so that's the idea there is to give us the time to really reflect with a 00:05:10.400 --> 00:05:15.720 smaller group and then we'll move on to the open discussion we also are 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:19.360 preserving the idea of written Q&A so that as you have questions that maybe 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:23.000 don't have time to be addressed or maybe it's not you don't think it's 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:26.240 appropriate for the whole group but you want to make sure it gets on record we 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:30.560 want to preserve that now without the professional facilitator helping to 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:35.400 organize things realize if you heard the original presentation around why we did 00:05:35.400 --> 00:05:39.800 that it was in part to facilitate the process but also in part to really help 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:44.840 with some needed staff time to get some help with some of this some of that work 00:05:44.840 --> 00:05:48.080 is no longer there with somebody to help out with it so we want to at least 00:05:48.080 --> 00:05:52.400 alleviate that by having an electronic option where you can submit those 00:05:52.400 --> 00:05:55.640 questions you should see at your table Susie can you hold it up it's a half 00:05:55.640 --> 00:06:00.680 sheet of paper with a QR code using your phone you can scan it it can open up a 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:05.000 link where it's a way that you can put in your comment and it just cuts down on 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:09.320 filling out a sticky note and then somebody I was emailing folks last week 00:06:09.320 --> 00:06:13.320 after this meeting they were up past midnight transcribing those for us so 00:06:13.320 --> 00:06:16.280 they could start getting those out to the city staff so helps make things a 00:06:16.280 --> 00:06:19.920 little bit more efficient so if you're able to utilize that technology please 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:25.480 do if not we still have sticky notes at the table we're welcome to entertain 00:06:25.480 --> 00:06:30.460 that but try to get as many of those electronically if possible moving on I 00:06:30.460 --> 00:06:36.640 don't know if I have control or not I do then finally as we move forward again at 00:06:36.640 --> 00:06:39.920 the end of the day we need to come together from a consensus point of view 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:43.960 towards the whole committee and figure out what we are moving forward as a 00:06:43.960 --> 00:06:48.800 group in recommending the City Council we could either wait till the end in the 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:53.080 last meeting to figure out where we're at as a group or we can start taking what 00:06:53.080 --> 00:06:58.040 I'm calling temperature gauges along the way each week not as an official vote 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:03.560 just as some sort of sense of where are we as a committee on these particular 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:09.320 topics so the recommendation is again utilizing another technological approach 00:07:09.320 --> 00:07:15.520 to your phone a simple survey based on each project where we can give just our 00:07:15.520 --> 00:07:19.680 point-in-time feeling about that particular project based on the 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:23.520 presentation the questions and the conversations and it's going to give us 00:07:23.520 --> 00:07:27.900 five options very simple I'm in full support I love it I think it should be 00:07:27.900 --> 00:07:32.120 part of the bond package again this isn't binding this is just a sense of 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:36.880 where are we at as a committee or currently I'm mostly supportive maybe I've 00:07:36.880 --> 00:07:41.680 got some additional questions three I'm unsure I might have some additional 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:44.760 questions or I need some more information I'm not sure whether or not to 00:07:44.760 --> 00:07:48.040 include it the fourth option is I have reservations so you see it's a 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:52.240 gradation a spectrum to get a sense of where we're at and then five currently I 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:56.440 do not support no way no how no way in hell am I recommending this project for 00:07:56.440 --> 00:08:01.360 inclusion again none of this is binding but we will take this poll this is the 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:05.400 recommendation and reveal it to the entire folks you guys see what the 00:08:05.400 --> 00:08:09.720 results are in the aggregate anonymizing it so that you're not seeing specific 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:15.320 people's votes so that we can have a sense on where we at the city staff can 00:08:15.320 --> 00:08:18.120 have a sense even the City Council who can see this because it's publicly 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:21.560 available to see where we're at as a committee is moving forward why is that 00:08:21.560 --> 00:08:25.680 important because we might think as maybe you're passionate about a 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:30.120 particular project and then you see after this temperature gauge that hey 00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:35.080 that's going south so either I need to get off that or maybe I need to amp up 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:40.480 my ability to convince more of my fellow committee members it also helps from the 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:44.120 city staff's perspective if we see a lot particularly what's going to be really 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:48.960 illuminating if we see a lot in that 3 camp around a particular project it means 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:52.280 that we need some more information and we need to dig into that more so it 00:08:52.280 --> 00:08:55.880 gives the staff the opportunity and us as we're looking at the agenda week to 00:08:55.880 --> 00:08:59.040 week to say we need to camp out on that a little bit more because we know we 00:08:59.040 --> 00:09:02.840 don't have consensus yet on that but we could one way or the other if we just 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:08.840 had some more discussion on it so that's the idea of that again not binding on us 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:14.440 at all but getting a sense of where we are from week to week so before I dig in 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:18.640 I'm gonna actually ask Susie to help dig into the process for how we actually 00:09:18.640 --> 00:09:22.520 come to a decision in the last couple of weeks well we'll talk about that process 00:09:22.520 --> 00:09:27.480 in a second I want to pause to see what's your questions and what your 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:32.760 comments are to this proposed process moving forward so open the floor for 00:09:32.760 --> 00:09:36.600 anyone Susie if you wouldn't mind grabbing a mic grab any of those 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:42.440 questions or comments and I see one in the back with Kim beggars back there 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:53.080 so I'm assuming will retroactively grade the ones that we've already heard right 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:56.960 I think that was the goal is that what we're gonna do so the idea would be at 00:09:56.960 --> 00:10:02.400 the end of each time moving forward do all the ones that you did that week this 00:10:02.400 --> 00:10:04.960 time we're gonna have a little bit more because we saw some last week so we'll 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:11.880 have to spend a little bit more time great question mr. Crouch up here this 00:10:11.880 --> 00:10:17.960 is more just clarification on the second page there one of the things that you 00:10:17.960 --> 00:10:23.640 said was if you see that your project that you're in favor of might be going 00:10:23.640 --> 00:10:28.840 south you've got to get more support I think that that one of the things that 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:33.400 was in our materials that we received from the parking lot questions was you 00:10:33.400 --> 00:10:39.400 can't go start lobbying throughout the committee outside of this room am I 00:10:39.400 --> 00:10:44.920 correct that's great thanks for that we are as a city committee public committee 00:10:44.920 --> 00:10:48.160 that's been appointed by the City Council subject to the Texas open 00:10:48.160 --> 00:10:53.560 meetings act like any other committee would be so and I think we'll ask for 00:10:53.560 --> 00:10:57.320 any further follow-up that people need to understand that but things like 00:10:57.320 --> 00:11:01.720 starting to call up individuals and try and get a quorum of the room on your 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:08.960 page on something is is technically in violation of that so the idea would be 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:14.320 that when I say that it's in the context of these meetings to be able to know how 00:11:14.320 --> 00:11:19.040 you can maneuver or give better voice to your perspective or whatnot so it's a 00:11:19.040 --> 00:11:22.040 good call out Tim thank you 00:11:22.040 --> 00:11:29.600 actually a question referring on what he's saying I think it's a good idea if 00:11:29.600 --> 00:11:34.760 something is going south like you say because I think if there's discussion 00:11:34.760 --> 00:11:41.840 on that then it'll help us understand better for me that I have no experience 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:46.120 on anything like this when something is not working out well or something is 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:51.560 working really well and my vote is not there it's kind of good for a 00:11:51.560 --> 00:11:55.600 clarification for that so I like the system 00:12:00.600 --> 00:12:07.560 this is what Kim asked about going backwards I'm not sure we have all the 00:12:07.560 --> 00:12:12.000 financial information that we may need related to the projects that have already 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:18.440 been discussed so then my rec that's a great point so if we didn't have that 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:22.720 earlier say what we're augmenting with the presentation of city staff in those 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:29.320 prior I would say you ought to put number of three and then utilize the 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:31.960 parking lot or another opportunity to make sure you're asking those questions 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:40.000 so we can get those clarified yeah this is great discussion I mean I guess what 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:42.520 we're looking for I don't want to spend all night long talking about process I'm 00:12:42.520 --> 00:12:47.560 gonna move forward and moving this thing on am I judging by the lack of strong 00:12:47.560 --> 00:12:51.680 opinion one way or the other that people are by and large okay with moving 00:12:51.680 --> 00:13:02.240 forward with this approach yes miss a worth yes I like to address a couple of 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:06.800 things that have been mentioned here one is that we are not prohibited from 00:13:06.800 --> 00:13:11.400 talking to each other outside of this meeting we are only prohibited from 00:13:11.400 --> 00:13:16.320 talking in a quorum or in a walking quorum but we are not prohibited from 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:20.760 talking to each other that is not a total violation every other committee 00:13:20.760 --> 00:13:25.240 I've ever been on we have received a list of everyone on the committee and 00:13:25.240 --> 00:13:31.160 now we don't get one of those and I know why we don't get one of those and we 00:13:31.160 --> 00:13:34.720 were given a sheet about people that want to retract their information and 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:40.640 not make it available but we certainly can talk to each other outside of this 00:13:40.640 --> 00:13:48.000 we just can't do it in a quorum and or in a walking quorum and this usually a 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:54.960 quorum is fifty percent plus one but for some reason this particular body has a 00:13:54.960 --> 00:14:04.160 quorum in the ordinance of 15 and why 15 was chosen I don't know I have some 00:14:04.160 --> 00:14:12.840 problems with the table time because we everything that I've heard has been the 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:17.840 comments last week people that I've seen on the street we've talked to have 00:14:17.840 --> 00:14:24.160 said gee that was really great once we could just open up and we could ask 00:14:24.160 --> 00:14:29.840 questions of staff because staff is who has the answers they're the only ones in 00:14:29.840 --> 00:14:36.600 here that really have the answers to our questions and if we have that time 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:42.520 limited we only have two hours a meeting and if our time is limited to where we 00:14:42.520 --> 00:14:47.120 are talking to each other instead of asking questions of staff then that's 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:52.640 just that much less time that we can get our answers it just felt so good and 00:14:52.640 --> 00:14:59.000 free and open at that last meeting when we could just open up and ask questions 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:06.280 and we've got the opportunity for written questions I also have a problem 00:15:06.280 --> 00:15:13.480 with the last item on the the committee discussion I'm all for the discussion 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:20.040 but it says comments will be restricted to topics of the presentation well there 00:15:20.040 --> 00:15:25.280 are there are other things ancillary to the bond election that are completely 00:15:25.280 --> 00:15:32.200 totally bond election related but they are not in a box just the animal shelter 00:15:32.200 --> 00:15:37.320 just the library just the building just the presentation that we should certainly 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:44.280 be free to talk about totally as a chair I'll give you discretion to be able to 00:15:44.280 --> 00:15:49.120 do that so I'll we'll be able to make sure you have the right to ask the 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:53.000 questions that we think we just want to make sure somebody starts talking about 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:56.920 Sesame Street or something else that we stay focused on what the task at hand is 00:15:56.920 --> 00:16:00.960 yeah that we're not going to talk about like national politics or something but 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:07.320 but if it's bond election related we should be able to talk about it agree so to 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:13.160 that end I would like to put a motion on the floor I move the committee adopted 00:16:13.160 --> 00:16:20.120 another standing rule that all future meetings include only staff presentations 00:16:20.120 --> 00:16:26.080 open Q&A and open discussion by the committee as a whole moderated by the 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:32.100 chair discussion shall not be restricted in topics to be discussed as long as 00:16:32.100 --> 00:16:40.720 they are within the general realm of this bond election and there's a second 00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:56.920 from Dave Chuck the only things that can be talked about in the meetings are 00:16:56.920 --> 00:17:04.960 things that are posted on the agenda so I if you can clarify if that's what your 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:10.800 motion means or not because it's it's not anything goes it's what's on the 00:17:10.800 --> 00:17:18.840 agenda and related to what's on the agenda that may involve related things 00:17:18.840 --> 00:17:33.160 but it needs to be within the realm of as it's posted on the agenda are you 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:41.880 interested in amending your motion at all well I think I think from what she 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:49.520 said the issue if it if if it has to be posted if it's a posting issue then the 00:17:49.520 --> 00:17:57.620 posting needs to include a broader scope for the time of discussion got it okay 00:17:57.620 --> 00:18:02.400 so we have a motion we have a second is there further discussion or comments 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:06.600 Jesse Davis 00:18:06.600 --> 00:18:18.200 okay here the motion again yeah sure could you please restate your motion 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:25.280 committee adopt a standing rule that all future meetings include only staff 00:18:25.280 --> 00:18:30.600 presentations open Q&A and open discussion by the committee as a whole 00:18:30.600 --> 00:18:36.280 moderated by the chair discussion shall not be restricted in topics to be 00:18:36.280 --> 00:18:42.480 discussed as long as they are within the general realm of this bond election 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:52.200 I ask a clarifying question right does that does your motion include when you 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:56.400 say that the meetings will only consist of these items does your motion include 00:18:56.400 --> 00:19:02.000 that the meeting would not have a temperature gauge or is it just that the 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:07.920 items that you're speaking to on the first slide that's up right now the 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:13.280 temperature gauge is is something that people do online just like they submit 00:19:13.280 --> 00:19:19.200 questions online it's so that wouldn't interfere with that and I would modify 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:23.520 it to be up until the last meeting because the last meeting we do have to 00:19:23.520 --> 00:19:33.420 take a vote mr. chair I would speak against the motion feel like what the 00:19:33.420 --> 00:19:40.240 chair has presented reflects feedback from committee members I know that many 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:44.120 of us myself included have not been we've been vocal about our concerns 00:19:44.120 --> 00:19:47.760 we've been clear about our concerns some of us about 20 of us were pretty vocal 00:19:47.760 --> 00:19:52.360 about our concerns at the last meeting in the form of the standing rule vote 00:19:52.360 --> 00:20:00.280 excuse me but I think there is also legitimate concern that we are a large 00:20:00.280 --> 00:20:04.040 committee we are a committee that if we had been designed from the beginning or 00:20:04.040 --> 00:20:09.480 only open discussion we would probably not be this large we were we were made 00:20:09.480 --> 00:20:12.800 this large by the City Council on the advice of the consultant so that we 00:20:12.800 --> 00:20:17.680 could do these small groups that we would break into smaller groups so I see 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:22.040 utility in retaining part of the small group structure and just having some 00:20:22.040 --> 00:20:26.960 discussion I'll tell you my experience in a small group that first night was a 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:32.480 lot of gosh I'm new to this process what's going on what's happening it's a 00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:36.320 very easy low-hanging fruit kind of questions that our staff facilitator was 00:20:36.320 --> 00:20:39.480 able to help us with that just the conversation with more experienced people 00:20:39.480 --> 00:20:43.920 around the table was very helpful to get kind of oriented where it went south was 00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:46.640 where you only got the one question or where you didn't get to hear all the 00:20:46.640 --> 00:20:50.320 discussion from the other tables the positive of it was that you got to have 00:20:50.320 --> 00:20:54.760 that kind of orienting conversation like with a smaller group folks that are 00:20:54.760 --> 00:20:58.080 you're getting to know a little bit better you feel a little bit more 00:20:58.080 --> 00:21:02.680 comfortable talking about talking to but then you take that your idea to kind of 00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:05.960 crystallize a little bit and now you're ready for your really good questions in 00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:09.520 front of the whole rest of the group so I appreciate what the chairs put together 00:21:09.520 --> 00:21:14.640 here I think it's a good compromise to kind of manage the size that we are I 00:21:14.640 --> 00:21:17.720 think it's a good compromise and the two different approaches and different 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:23.840 processes we've talked about and it retains the deliberation is done by the 00:21:23.840 --> 00:21:27.600 whole group we have some conversation we have some chit chat we have some 00:21:27.600 --> 00:21:32.960 orienting ourselves amongst the small groups and then we have going forward 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:36.440 open deliberation everybody hears everybody everybody hears everybody's 00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:42.880 questions but you're a little better you got you see legs a little bit thank you 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:47.880 any other comments on the motion yes sir 00:21:47.880 --> 00:21:56.920 this is my first bond committee and so and I'm really excited to be here great 00:21:56.920 --> 00:22:03.080 presentations last week and I was listening to Jesse talk about why he 00:22:03.080 --> 00:22:10.280 felt that we should maintain your your proposed rules and after listen to her 00:22:10.280 --> 00:22:14.960 since this is my first she kind of brought up a thing that it kind of was 00:22:14.960 --> 00:22:20.080 made my my my thinking cap come on is that since this is my first one 00:22:20.080 --> 00:22:24.880 obviously there's a little bit of a learning curve for me to understand the 00:22:24.880 --> 00:22:30.880 bond process and I see a bunch of numbers in all this stuff and and I 00:22:30.880 --> 00:22:33.920 believe me I know that these are some big numbers and we all have a birdie 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:41.920 pretty steep hill like up ahead for us but as she talked about and thank you 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:46.360 for bringing it up by the way that they're there's probably some things 00:22:46.360 --> 00:22:52.720 about bringing a bond to the voters that I don't know about and that there's a 00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:56.080 lot of learning people in this room that have been on bond committees staff 00:22:56.080 --> 00:22:59.720 people have been through bond process and obviously our city leadership has 00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:04.920 been through a lot of them in their and their travels and it was bought up last 00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:09.800 time about there was a question by somebody actually it didn't start out as 00:23:09.800 --> 00:23:14.320 a question it started out as it was talking this gentleman was talking and 00:23:14.320 --> 00:23:19.560 then it was he was kind of made clear to him that you you can't just talk about 00:23:19.560 --> 00:23:24.080 something you have to form a question and so to your comment it was kind of 00:23:24.080 --> 00:23:29.400 you got to be jeopardy and all that you got to you know and so that's the part 00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:37.460 that I really didn't like and when she brought it up I have a lot of concerns 00:23:37.460 --> 00:23:41.580 about some stuff bringing a bond election in this climate and the economic 00:23:41.580 --> 00:23:46.640 climate that we're in so but how do we I think in our small table there's got to 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:50.760 be a bigger form to where my views should be heard by the other small table 00:23:50.760 --> 00:23:55.520 people and I want to hear what they have to say too and so I just don't want that 00:23:55.520 --> 00:24:01.400 to be limited I want to be able to say something to the group but I also want 00:24:01.400 --> 00:24:05.520 other people's to talk about to the group and said I just think it should be more 00:24:05.520 --> 00:24:08.320 open there there might be a compromise somewhere between what you're proposing 00:24:08.320 --> 00:24:12.680 is keeping this and what she says to men maybe your process for the next meeting 00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:16.920 to make sure that when we do have an open discussion committee discussion I 00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:21.200 would imagine that's that second last item on the agenda is that the discussion 00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:27.600 should be residents I mean committee members standing up and given him give me 00:24:27.600 --> 00:24:33.200 your your experience of bringing a bond to the to to the public and so I want to 00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:37.360 hear those and that's the purpose of my standing up thanks John any other 00:24:37.360 --> 00:24:46.160 discussion on the motion yes mr. chair yeah my only thing is uh obviously it 00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:50.800 sounds like something that can be handled by the staff you know in really I 00:24:50.800 --> 00:24:55.200 think you guys if y'all can just you know take it you know and say okay you 00:24:55.200 --> 00:25:02.640 know on both things that that they're talking about do a SWOT analysis on it 00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:06.080 then you can push it back out to us and then we'll can take kind of look at it 00:25:06.080 --> 00:25:10.920 because right now I think you know it's just taking away from time you know in 00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:17.760 in really when you really listen to what both are saying they're similar it just 00:25:17.760 --> 00:25:22.080 using a different tool and you just need to just fine-tune it with a SWOT analysis 00:25:22.080 --> 00:25:34.160 and I think we can move forward thanks mr. Crouch has discussion I'm going to 00:25:34.160 --> 00:25:41.160 I'm going to somewhat repeat what I said last week about the small groups there 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:47.160 are some of us who are not shy we'll stand up and talk about anything at any 00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:53.600 time there are other people who are afraid that they might look foolish if 00:25:53.600 --> 00:26:00.200 they stand up and ask a question because they don't have a good understanding of 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:04.960 it and that in a small group setting there's an opportunity to sort of float 00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:13.120 that out and ask is this an important question I don't understand this part of 00:26:13.120 --> 00:26:21.560 it so I think that that the small group time helps those who sometimes just 00:26:21.560 --> 00:26:28.680 aren't willing to put themselves out there in a larger setting we should use 00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:35.000 that we should use the expertise of the people around the tables who perhaps 00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:42.240 won't stand up but have some knowledge or the people who are around the table 00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:47.760 who who are just concerned about not wanting to appear appear that they don't 00:26:47.760 --> 00:26:54.160 know what they're talking about that small group time gives people the 00:26:54.160 --> 00:27:00.800 opportunity to have some discussion in a smaller setting and then determine maybe 00:27:00.800 --> 00:27:05.480 with some other people the table that is a really important question and empower 00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:10.120 them at that point so I post the motion I think this process is good and I think 00:27:10.120 --> 00:27:24.120 we ought to support it looking at your proposal in hearing these statements 00:27:24.120 --> 00:27:30.960 that have made what about if we change a little bit of the ABC or the one two 00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:39.040 three you get your presentation by the city staff then with your moderating we 00:27:39.040 --> 00:27:45.920 ask our initial thought process questions after we've done that then in 00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:54.920 the small group time we take up some of those answers and see what needs to be 00:27:54.920 --> 00:28:01.640 taken further then you go into the written Q&A and then as you say the 00:28:01.640 --> 00:28:09.440 committee discussion totally at the end that recaps it it's a good suggestion I 00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:11.820 think there's a motion on the floor which we're gonna have to be voted 00:28:11.820 --> 00:28:15.280 voting up or down at some point and maybe if that fails that's a 00:28:15.280 --> 00:28:18.200 recommendation we can move on I think we have a couple other comments thank you 00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:27.320 Julie at the back table I saw two there okay call the question all right is it 00:28:27.320 --> 00:28:38.560 clarifying the motion I think the questions been called which I think means 00:28:38.560 --> 00:28:42.680 we got to go ahead and take a vote on this and that's all right John most of 00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:47.360 us aren't myself included great at Roberts rules of order and we ought not 00:28:47.360 --> 00:28:50.840 to be we're just average citizens trying to figure this out amongst ourselves so 00:28:50.840 --> 00:28:57.580 I get it all right let's go ahead and take a vote on the motion on the floor 00:28:57.580 --> 00:29:04.000 let's vote to call the question all those in favor raise your right hand this 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:07.800 is just to say let's go ahead and vote on the motion that's all this is saying 00:29:07.800 --> 00:29:13.040 all those opposed raise your right hand okay so we're now we're gonna vote on 00:29:13.040 --> 00:29:20.720 the motion as presented by miss Hayworth all those in favor raise your right hand 00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:28.040 motion what's that do you want to repeat of the motion if you're in favor of her 00:29:28.040 --> 00:29:35.720 motion raise your right hand all those opposed raise your right hand so the 00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:48.400 motion fails do we have another motion make a motion that we accept the proposed 00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:55.960 process with that one adjustment of flipping committee Q&A and small group 00:29:55.960 --> 00:30:03.000 okay the motion there's a motion is there a second there's a second any 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:14.920 discussion can you repeat the motion maybe give him a mic let him right okay 00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:20.160 what I'm referring to is when you look at the slide please give her a mic so 00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:27.480 everyone can hear the way it's listed on the slide if you read it with my 00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:34.920 suggestion number one is the presentation by the city staff number two 00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:42.960 is committee Q&A because that way you can ask your questions as soon as the 00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:51.400 staff finishes after that we go into small group to further amongst the table 00:30:51.400 --> 00:31:01.440 figure out if we have any additional questions and then since the written 00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:05.400 part that could be done at the end if it's going to be electronically so I'm 00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:11.920 going to move that to the bottom and then move committee discussion up after 00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:21.920 the small group that way you've got two opportunities one right after staff 00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:29.440 presents we can all ask questions to we could mull it over amongst ourselves 00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:37.720 three have the opportunity to then further discuss them if needed and have 00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:46.420 staff available and then fourth is when we go and submit our written Q&A 00:31:46.420 --> 00:31:56.080 no I get it so so she was just clarifying what her ideas were he's got 00:31:56.080 --> 00:31:59.840 the motion he's got it is that your motion as she stated or do you want to 00:31:59.840 --> 00:32:03.760 clarify your motion so everyone understands it I would accept that 00:32:03.760 --> 00:32:08.560 although it seems to me that the written Q&A is something that happens throughout 00:32:08.560 --> 00:32:13.780 throughout and after the meeting so it's kind of a thread throughout the whole 00:32:13.780 --> 00:32:19.840 thing and may I just interject here look my view of process is if we've got to 00:32:19.840 --> 00:32:23.280 iterate in the middle of a meeting because there's not a lot of interest in 00:32:23.280 --> 00:32:27.600 one discussion on something we iterate as a team I mean the idea is to give us 00:32:27.600 --> 00:32:31.200 a framework upon which we can move things forward in a fair way that 00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:36.300 everyone feels needed and even if we get to the end of today trying something in 00:32:36.300 --> 00:32:41.080 whatever order we're doing it in and next week we all look at it and say we 00:32:41.080 --> 00:32:44.200 can drop this piece or we need to that's the whole goal we just need to be able 00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:48.920 to be iterative as necessary so the idea here is to at least get something that 00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:53.320 start moving us forward and then if we need to make adjustments along the way I 00:32:53.320 --> 00:32:57.280 think we can all work together to make that happen so I would accept the 00:32:57.280 --> 00:33:02.880 amendments I don't have a problem with them yeah I think we just need a clear 00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:09.360 motion so the motion would be that we accept this proposed process with the 00:33:09.360 --> 00:33:17.720 amendment that we move committee Q&A to the second position small group to the 00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:25.360 third and written Q&A down below committee discussion so written Q&A 00:33:25.360 --> 00:33:32.080 moves to the bottom committee goes up small group goes down committee Q&A 00:33:32.080 --> 00:33:44.340 goes up is everybody thoroughly confused any discussion on that motion all right 00:33:44.340 --> 00:33:51.840 all those I just wanted to speak in favor of keeping it as is partly because 00:33:51.840 --> 00:33:57.240 after the city staff presentations it's helpful to chat with the table process a 00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:01.400 little bit sometimes I answer get my questions answered at the table that I 00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:05.280 don't even need to bother asking later on so in terms of order for me that's 00:34:05.280 --> 00:34:09.200 the most helpful to hear from everybody before I decide am I gonna even ask this 00:34:09.200 --> 00:34:14.180 question to the full room is or did I answer it already but it also just helps 00:34:14.180 --> 00:34:17.680 like process your own questions beforehand so I find that order helpful 00:34:17.680 --> 00:34:21.000 small group discussion would be less helpful further down once we've already 00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:30.360 started talking any further discussion good evening I said I wasn't gonna but I 00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:41.920 was the process school I was wondering I'm one of the people in here who went 00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:47.000 through the process with the school district with as the proposed process 00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:51.560 with the consultant and it really worked beautifully now I know the city is 00:34:51.560 --> 00:34:57.200 different but I will say I'm one of the ones who said that we didn't hear the 00:34:57.200 --> 00:35:01.960 voices of the small group once we started having the large community 00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:07.600 committee Q&A the voices around the table were silent and so I think it's 00:35:07.600 --> 00:35:13.280 really important that we have the small group first before the large Q&A 00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:17.580 because once we have the large Q&A what's the purpose of a small group 00:35:17.580 --> 00:35:22.040 because most of the stuff has been asked and aired already and the reason that 00:35:22.040 --> 00:35:26.680 all of us agreed to serve on this committee is so that our voices will be 00:35:26.680 --> 00:35:32.240 heard by the people in the communities that we represent and so I think that I 00:35:32.240 --> 00:35:36.320 think that is important and so we're gonna vote on this the way we're gonna 00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:43.040 vote on it but I like the process as proposed because it gives everybody a 00:35:43.040 --> 00:35:46.880 voice we have two more comments and then I'm gonna call the vote on it miss 00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:55.200 white and then Adams in the back I promise I'll be brief I just wanted to 00:35:55.200 --> 00:35:59.480 speak in support as the proposed amendment is realigning the order 00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:04.040 because I feel like having the small group time after the Q&A with staff 00:36:04.040 --> 00:36:08.300 allows the small groups to process if there's additional questions if there's 00:36:08.300 --> 00:36:13.640 clarification to kind of mull it over as a group and have further clarifying 00:36:13.640 --> 00:36:18.400 questions that they may not have thought about if they hadn't heard what some of 00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:22.040 the other group members have been asking as a whole so I think it gives that 00:36:22.040 --> 00:36:25.000 opportunity it also gives that opportunity to kind of find that middle 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:28.800 ground where people that may have a quieter voice or be more intimidated or 00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:32.220 be more introverted to still have that opportunity to discuss in the small 00:36:32.220 --> 00:36:43.460 groups thanks Mindy Lenny I was just going to say that I'm in favor of the 00:36:43.460 --> 00:36:49.000 second order because once the big questions have been asked if there's 00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:54.080 just confusion they can be asked kind of aside at your table and that we have 00:36:54.080 --> 00:36:59.760 spent far too much time discussing this issue it's not that important and I move 00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:03.840 for the question well there's a motion so again this 00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:09.240 motion is there a second this is a motion just to say let's vote on the 00:37:09.240 --> 00:37:12.400 motion on the floor so it's voting whether or not you want to go and take 00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:20.280 a vote on mr. Thurman's motion all those in favor all right we can go without the 00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:25.140 vote let's call for a vote on the motion mr. on mr. Thurman's motion it was 00:37:25.140 --> 00:37:29.800 seconded by miss Remski I believe all those in favor show your right hand 00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:46.000 please we're gonna need to count them keep them up all those opposed right 00:37:46.000 --> 00:38:15.680 hand let's have a recount if you are in favor of the 00:38:15.680 --> 00:38:21.720 motion please raise your right hand keep it up 00:38:33.680 --> 00:38:45.320 if your hands up please isn't democracy fun all those opposed raise your right 00:38:45.320 --> 00:39:09.400 hand 16 to 13 okay so the motion passes thank you we've got one little aspect 00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:17.200 of process left and that is to discuss I'm gonna ask vice chair Susie to come 00:39:17.200 --> 00:39:21.560 forward and talk specifically about how on those last couple weeks we're gonna 00:39:21.560 --> 00:39:26.440 arrive at a consensus in the process for that the reason why she's chimed in on 00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:30.800 this process is she was a part of the 2019 bond committee and a lot of the 00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:34.240 insight for this came about through how they reached consensus towards those 00:39:34.240 --> 00:39:37.560 last final days so I'd give her the chance to share a little bit more about 00:39:37.560 --> 00:39:50.600 this all right so Kevin and I work together on this trying to figure out 00:39:50.600 --> 00:39:55.480 sort of something in between what was originally proposed and sort of what 00:39:55.480 --> 00:40:00.880 happened in 2019 so for meeting five what this could look like or what we're 00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:06.680 proposing is from staff a finance advising costs and tax rate presentation 00:40:06.680 --> 00:40:11.360 so kind of looking at all that all over again based on what we just voted on 00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:14.600 small group discussion would not happen right after that but we would do open 00:40:14.600 --> 00:40:21.040 Q&A discussion on the total amount and the tax rate and then I totally missed 00:40:21.040 --> 00:40:25.800 small group discussion after that I guess or after the the comments but it'll 00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:31.040 basically be the same process we just voted on after that presentation and then 00:40:31.040 --> 00:40:39.800 each of you each of us would receive a survey where we would prioritize what we 00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:43.500 would want to see in the bond package and then provide our proposed dollar 00:40:43.500 --> 00:40:48.960 total dollar amount this would be done electronically and we would it would be 00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:54.080 due about 48 hours after it was sent out and then all of those would be 00:40:54.080 --> 00:40:58.040 aggregated all of those results all of our prioritizations would be aggregated 00:40:58.040 --> 00:41:02.360 into one list where we would see the rankings aggregated so this is very 00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:07.120 similar to how we did it in 2019 where we individually prioritized the data was 00:41:07.120 --> 00:41:11.840 aggregated and then we had a prioritized aggregated list that we then used to 00:41:11.840 --> 00:41:14.680 kind of vote what was going to go in and what we didn't want to put in the 00:41:14.680 --> 00:41:20.740 package for meeting six we would review the results of the total dollar amount 00:41:20.740 --> 00:41:26.700 that was aggregated what everybody had suggested and then we would review the 00:41:26.700 --> 00:41:32.520 aggregated results of our individual prioritizations and then we'd have Q&A 00:41:32.520 --> 00:41:36.320 and discussion and then we would start working on voting things that we want to 00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:40.080 move forward and recommend to City Council so we'd start making a list 00:41:40.080 --> 00:41:46.040 voting things up or down and then at the end we would have a final vote on the 00:41:46.040 --> 00:41:50.920 total list of projects we would want to recommend to City Council at the end of 00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:55.840 that so this is very similar to 2019 there are several folks who were on the 00:41:55.840 --> 00:42:00.240 2019 bond in the room so they can also kind of help describe as well so that's 00:42:00.240 --> 00:42:08.880 the proposed process very similar to 2019 any questions or comment Mr. Crouch 00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:14.360 moves approval do we have a second we have a second by mr. Thurman any 00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:22.800 discussion on the motion mr. Davis thank you I'm good at the process before the 00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:25.960 motion was made I was gonna suggest maybe we give ourselves a little bit of 00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:28.680 time with the process we just decided on make sure we're good with it over the 00:42:28.680 --> 00:42:32.560 next couple of meetings and not bind ourselves too much it doesn't make a 00:42:32.560 --> 00:42:35.640 difference like Kevin said we can we can change even if there's a motion and a 00:42:35.640 --> 00:42:39.640 vote to adopt this process tonight we can if it's not working out like you said 00:42:39.640 --> 00:42:43.320 I think the chair I can put it back in front of us to do something a little bit 00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:48.840 different the one thing I would say even if we adopt this as it's presented is I 00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:53.000 want to be careful that we don't constrain ourselves six meetings two hours 00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:57.600 a meeting that's a great goal but if we get down to the time where some of us 00:42:57.600 --> 00:43:01.900 have strong feelings about certain projects and as a learned friend of mine 00:43:01.900 --> 00:43:06.000 the moment has told me on multiple occasions the easy stuff the easy stuff 00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:10.760 and then you get down to the gosh I don't know and not and the the hard stuff 00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:13.920 that it's not gonna happen stuff that's easy too right there in the middle we're 00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:17.280 gonna really need to take time and I don't want to constrain ourselves to not 00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:20.780 having a full discussion about that right on the bubble stuff especially 00:43:20.780 --> 00:43:26.040 once we set that dollar amount and know what our goal is filling that out and 00:43:26.040 --> 00:43:29.400 making sure we're all very proud of the results so very much in favor of the 00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:34.500 process but want to have a little wiggle room on whether we need extra time or 00:43:34.500 --> 00:43:43.840 extra meeting at the end thank you miss Eckert is there an opportunity if you're 00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:49.560 not going to be here physically to be involved in any of these meetings 00:43:49.560 --> 00:43:56.560 virtually I think that was decided upfront that that was not the case you 00:43:56.560 --> 00:43:59.640 could certainly review you could watch the meeting you could review all the 00:43:59.640 --> 00:44:03.680 materials you'll still be sent all the materials but in terms of chiming in 00:44:03.680 --> 00:44:06.600 with comments and things like that that's restricted for folks who have the 00:44:06.600 --> 00:44:17.120 ability to show up live oh so if for some reason June 26 you happen to be out 00:44:17.120 --> 00:44:22.280 and you want to be involved in that certain is there any legal problem with 00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:29.720 that there is a legal problem with that can you describe that legal problem and 00:44:29.720 --> 00:44:35.280 opinions that are made on those meetings need to be during the open meeting well 00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:40.380 the idea that we're proposing on here just to be clear is that the because 00:44:40.380 --> 00:44:43.880 it's you're deliberating on your prioritization of the projects that you'd 00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:47.720 sat through maybe the first four meetings on you had a vacation scheduled 00:44:47.720 --> 00:44:51.760 because you just got appointed you have 48 hours everyone who comes to this 00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:57.480 meeting has 48 hours seems to me the leeway ought to be if you have a 00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:01.760 legitimate reason you can't make that but you participated up to that point we 00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:04.520 ought to let them participate in that because there's nothing binding about 00:45:04.520 --> 00:45:13.520 that that's my legal pushback a bit Kevin can I say something yes Jill's 00:45:13.520 --> 00:45:18.240 you're referring specifically to the survey mostly right for meeting number 00:45:18.240 --> 00:45:24.560 five would like would you be able to fill out the prioritization survey so in 00:45:24.560 --> 00:45:29.440 2019 that's what was done they emailed it to us gave us a time limit it is not 00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:33.600 binding it's not a decision it's just creating a list that we can work off of 00:45:33.600 --> 00:45:42.320 on meeting six yeah that's okay the vote is right the actual vote which we'll get 00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:48.320 to on the six you will have to be present for thanks for clarifying yep any 00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:52.580 other discussion we have a motion and a second let's call the vote all in favor 00:45:52.580 --> 00:46:02.120 raise your right hand all opposed raise your right hand the motion passes thank 00:46:02.120 --> 00:46:08.160 you guys that was long but necessary to make sure we feel all feel good and 00:46:08.160 --> 00:46:14.680 included in that process moving forward so we'll try this out tonight according 00:46:14.680 --> 00:46:18.320 to the motion and see how it goes now moving on to agenda item C receive a 00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:24.720 report and hold a discussion regarding updates on a trails be animal shelter in 00:46:24.720 --> 00:46:42.760 see City Hall West so we'll start with a staff presentation on trails good 00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:46.960 evening Gary pack and director parks and our creation again thank you for 00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:50.840 volunteering your time for this effort tonight we're going to talk a little bit 00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:57.720 about trail development over the past few years we spent a lot of time 00:46:57.720 --> 00:47:02.880 planning in order to prepare for construction of our park assets and 00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:06.520 improving our park system through our master planning through strategic 00:47:06.520 --> 00:47:11.480 planning through the 2040 plans the mobility plan they're all tied into the 00:47:11.480 --> 00:47:17.000 parks in some form or fashion our trail system as a whole about 75 miles of 00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:23.160 trails and that varies from paved concrete size and the type of surface 00:47:23.160 --> 00:47:27.680 that we provide and that's spread out of 43 different locations throughout the 00:47:27.680 --> 00:47:34.120 city some of the challenges we have with our trail system and expanding our trail 00:47:34.120 --> 00:47:38.800 system is keeping up with the growth so as roads are being built working with 00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:44.040 CIP to have roads at least on our trail on one side of a road high construction 00:47:44.040 --> 00:47:49.080 costs the inflation of price construction has gone up quite a bit it's 00:47:49.080 --> 00:47:54.200 roughly two million dollars a mile give or take that includes construction 00:47:54.200 --> 00:48:00.360 drawings planning everything and then a very competitive grant process that I'll 00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:04.320 talk about there's quite a bit of grants out there for trails but there's a lot 00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:09.320 of people asking for that that amount of money so the benefits of the trail 00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:12.700 system and I won't go through each one of these but connectivity and 00:48:12.700 --> 00:48:17.600 accessibility that was a big deal in our master plan it is definitely a part of 00:48:17.600 --> 00:48:23.040 our ADA transition plan that was adopted in 2022 by City Council to make sure that 00:48:23.040 --> 00:48:27.960 we have accessibility actually from here to there but also it's accessible in 00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:36.160 its actual path and it's conducive for a wheelchair for example integration of 00:48:36.160 --> 00:48:41.240 our trails with our CIP as Bonnie Bray is being rebuilt as Mayhill is a good 00:48:41.240 --> 00:48:45.800 example that was rebuilt we have a 10-foot wide trail on the east side of 00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:50.520 Mayhill when those major thoroughfares are being rebuilt we're taking that 00:48:50.520 --> 00:48:54.500 opportunity to put that trail in there so we can get from one point to another 00:48:54.500 --> 00:49:01.200 in a quick amount and usually at a pretty aggressive pace obviously health 00:49:01.200 --> 00:49:05.360 and wellness that's obvious economic development connecting neighborhoods to 00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:10.600 our downtown it's a great example connecting with nature decreasing 00:49:10.600 --> 00:49:15.640 vehicular traffic so taking vehicles off the road creating opportunities for 00:49:15.640 --> 00:49:22.360 wildlife crossings animal corridors off-road vehicles off-road mountain 00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:28.900 bikes equestrian trails and all of these are all aligned everything that we're 00:49:28.900 --> 00:49:33.360 doing is we're trying to align with our 10-minute walk which again was in 2019 00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:37.360 adopted by City Council to make sure that we have green space within a half 00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:42.600 mile or a 10-minute walk of every resident we found out yesterday that 00:49:42.600 --> 00:49:49.760 we're at 58% we started in 2019 we're at 48% for the past couple of years we are 00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:54.840 floating around 50% and we just up the Trust for Public Land just updated 00:49:54.840 --> 00:50:01.080 their now their algorithm and we jumped up to 58% so fingers crossed we're 00:50:01.080 --> 00:50:05.140 double-checking that that's right but that's a huge step for us because the 00:50:05.140 --> 00:50:13.200 national average is 55% so we've gone 10% in the past four or five years 00:50:13.200 --> 00:50:18.160 meeting the need so some of the desires and expectations that came out of our 00:50:18.160 --> 00:50:21.920 master planning process the community meetings that we had and the community 00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:26.680 meetings that we continue to have as we continue to plan for construction and 00:50:26.680 --> 00:50:32.020 improvements of our park system trails was our number one and here's this item 00:50:32.020 --> 00:50:35.800 is specifically in our master plan and it's on page 31 it's linked into the 00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:40.080 PowerPoint what do you consider the most important priority for the Denton Parks 00:50:40.080 --> 00:50:44.320 and Recreation Department and trails is number one we've spent a lot of time 00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:50.840 planning for our trail system and we are doing that actually as we speak so 00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:54.640 expanding that trail system increasing connectivity so every time there's a 00:50:54.640 --> 00:50:58.720 development going on in the city we have staff on those development calls and 00:50:58.720 --> 00:51:04.160 we're making sure that that development if it's crisscrossing where we think 00:51:04.160 --> 00:51:07.200 we're going to have a trail we're working with that development to make 00:51:07.200 --> 00:51:12.880 sure they're helping us build that section or at least plan for it acquiring 00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:20.240 land to preserve open space and provide for future recreation mobility bike 00:51:20.240 --> 00:51:24.600 friendly pedestrian crossings and walkways obviously if we're working on 00:51:24.600 --> 00:51:28.640 major roadways we're trying to go in corridors wildlife corridors are 00:51:28.640 --> 00:51:34.120 following creeks there are going to be times where we have to cross a road hike 00:51:34.120 --> 00:51:38.240 and bike trail heads so areas that we want people to start and stop or rest 00:51:38.240 --> 00:51:45.900 along the way lighting for safety reasons exercise equipment has come up 00:51:45.900 --> 00:51:50.880 over and over and that's on our list to get to we just have we got too many other 00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:54.640 projects trying to get done there are some grant opportunities for that and 00:51:54.640 --> 00:52:00.840 that could go around McKenna Park Rose at Razor Ranch Park it could go around 00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:07.280 South Lakes where you have these little stations for workout shade is another 00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:14.000 major asset to its ass it doesn't matter what it is ball fields trails 00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:20.040 aquatic facilities everybody wants shade playgrounds so we're trying to 00:52:20.040 --> 00:52:24.480 incorporate shade as much as we can and then coordination obviously with local 00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:33.440 partners DISD County and developers as well future trails in need of 00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:37.360 development so here's a short list of some of the things and some examples of 00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:42.640 what we're working on we have over 250 miles in our trails master plan and 00:52:42.640 --> 00:52:50.320 that's extremely aggressive extremely aggressive it's definitely a reach goal 00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:55.840 our one of our competitors that we look towards is the woodlands in Houston area 00:52:55.840 --> 00:53:02.480 and they have over 200 miles so our goal is you know from a competitive standpoint 00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:06.800 okay how do we get there how do we crisscross and spiderweb the entire city 00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:12.760 with trails for people to get from razor from ropes and ranch to Lake Ray Roberts 00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:18.480 how can we get people there on a trail so the breakdown of that roughly is a 00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:23.200 hundred paved a hundred paved a hundred paddling trail so we're working with all 00:53:23.200 --> 00:53:28.040 the lakefront communities around Lake Lewisville to have access points for 00:53:28.040 --> 00:53:31.840 kayaks and canoes the good thing about that is that there's only a lot of 00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:34.560 infrastructure the only infrastructure you have is to get people into the water 00:53:34.560 --> 00:53:40.040 there's no actual pavement there's signage and marketing and access and 00:53:40.040 --> 00:53:44.960 then about 50 miles of soft surface and that could that could be pretty flexible 00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:50.120 but some specific discussion pecan Creek trail master plan council adopted this 00:53:50.120 --> 00:53:55.680 plan already we actually submitted a ten plus million dollar grant to tech stop 00:53:55.680 --> 00:54:02.640 on Monday of this week and I'll show you a graph on that the Hickory Creek trail 00:54:02.640 --> 00:54:10.200 master plan which is basically from old Alton bridge to university or 380 that 00:54:10.200 --> 00:54:14.560 is going to kick off this year from a planning perspective so we're getting 00:54:14.560 --> 00:54:19.440 ready to present that to City Council for consideration Cooper Creek trail 00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:24.200 extension Cooper Creek trail has a significant piece done it goes all the 00:54:24.200 --> 00:54:29.640 way down to Evers starts kind of like north of North Lakes Park in Nicosia but 00:54:29.640 --> 00:54:34.560 we want to connect that over on the north side of UNT Discovery Park to the 00:54:34.560 --> 00:54:42.480 future Bonnie Bray and they also want to take that further east from Avondale 00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:46.760 powerline easements so there's obviously a thoroughfare there that we can take 00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:53.440 advantage of just like our greenways for our creeks the from 428 west over to 00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:56.360 Bonnie Bray on the north side of the loop there's a powerline easement there 00:54:56.360 --> 00:54:59.640 there's a couple new developments that we're working with to acquire that 00:54:59.640 --> 00:55:03.760 property so we can go ahead and build that trail and then as future 00:55:03.760 --> 00:55:08.000 developments come in the hills of Denton area that we could continue to negotiate 00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:13.360 that and plan for the future Lewisville paddling trail already mentioned and 00:55:13.360 --> 00:55:18.440 then undeveloped parkland we've over the past couple years thanks to bond 00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:23.120 programs we've been able to purchase land and basically land bank it for 00:55:23.120 --> 00:55:29.080 future development East Lake Park Laney and then Southwest Park years ago are 00:55:29.080 --> 00:55:36.080 all planned for eventual development we were able to put in soft surface trails 00:55:36.080 --> 00:55:41.440 in Southwest Park last year so people get out and start using it we completed a 00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:46.520 master plan it does include about two miles of trails within the property but 00:55:46.520 --> 00:55:50.800 we've actually mowed those in so you can use it today even though it's virtually 00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:57.040 undeveloped but we did do a master plan for that property as well and that's a 00:55:57.040 --> 00:56:02.920 future bond project consideration in the future years and then existing parks and 00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:07.400 trails so McKenna Park two years ago we went ahead and put a loop trail around 00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:13.760 that point six miles it's a little bit more than half sorry Jesse Deena Park 00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:19.560 and Joe Skiles are under planning and engagement right now so you'll be seeing 00:56:19.560 --> 00:56:24.120 concrete going in there North Point is a partnership with a private development 00:56:24.120 --> 00:56:27.720 Eagle Creek is another partnership with a private development where they're 00:56:27.720 --> 00:56:33.440 building the trail for us we just kind of looked at the final design plans for 00:56:33.440 --> 00:56:37.800 that project so they're building that mountain bike trails are really the 00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:42.960 cheapest thing that we do we've we built about six miles of trails so far today 00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:50.400 as of today virtually with volunteers we built five point three miles at Hartley 00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:54.720 Field Road just on the north side of Clear Creek with over a thousand hours 00:56:54.720 --> 00:57:00.560 of volunteers and then our staff going in with the heavier equipment so those 00:57:00.560 --> 00:57:05.320 obviously aren't two million dollars a mile the two million dollar mile is 00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:09.480 usually the ten to twelve foot wide concrete trail that's going from point A 00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:16.680 to point B and then North Lakes Park we're working with CIP to connect a 00:57:16.680 --> 00:57:22.000 future Ryan E elementary school through the park to get people to allow the 00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:27.000 students to walk to school a little easier so we talked a little bit about 00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:32.640 all the planning and the various stages that we work through so stages one and 00:57:32.640 --> 00:57:37.480 two are areas that we spent a lot of time on over the past couple years like 00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:42.480 I've mentioned with all the planning documents mobility plan master plan 00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:48.600 strategic plan 2040 plan that all outline kind of where we want to go and 00:57:48.600 --> 00:57:53.840 help it helps guide us helps guide you as residents as well now we're starting 00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:59.400 to transition to stage three and four where we're looking for we have the idea 00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:04.280 we have planning documents ready to go now we're looking for funding to do the 00:58:04.280 --> 00:58:09.720 bricks and mortar we're looking for the sweat equity efforts some of that 00:58:09.720 --> 00:58:15.000 obviously is general fund bond programs similar to this private development 00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:18.800 which we had mentioned in our park dedication and development fees they 00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:24.000 also come from private development that we can use for those efforts but we're 00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:29.880 also looking at grant opportunities so we can expand our resources to be able 00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:37.400 to do more than just a portion of that and let me share an example so pecan 00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:42.320 Creek this is the application that we submitted this week so up here in well 00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:46.800 you really can't see it I'll just point to it the this is the amount of city 00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:53.840 match so typically grants provide a 20% a 50% match that's required so you have 00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:58.040 to have a little skin in the game so we were able to use some of our ARPA 00:58:58.040 --> 00:59:01.960 funding as well as some of our parkland dedication to develop funding to put 00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:07.400 together a match which was 20% the amount that we're asking and requested 00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:11.880 from text thought is just shy of 11 million dollars so obviously that would 00:59:11.880 --> 00:59:17.560 give us 13.7 million dollars that we can use to build trails at two million 00:59:17.560 --> 00:59:23.600 dollars a mile with our money alone we're going to build about a mile and a 00:59:23.600 --> 00:59:26.920 half maybe two miles depending on where it's at if there's a bridge or a 00:59:26.920 --> 00:59:35.880 crossing but if we use that match or that nest egg to expand it we now may be 00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:44.240 able to build six or seven miles of trail and do a lot more in that effort 00:59:44.240 --> 00:59:49.880 so some of these examples down here is the concrete trail is roughly 11 miles 00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:55.360 Hickory Creek is plus or minus 14 that's as the crow flies for the most part not 00:59:55.360 --> 01:00:01.440 specific undulations throughout the area Cooper Creek easement trails which is 01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:04.920 the Hills of Denton trail we mentioned earlier mountain bike trail so roughly 01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:10.560 40 plus miles of trails that's a really rough number but that's probably about 01:00:10.560 --> 01:00:17.560 seventy seven eighty million dollars in today's money some of the grant 01:00:17.560 --> 01:00:21.480 opportunities and this isn't all of them but Texas Parks and Wildlife text thought 01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:28.360 Department of Transportation are the big ones where we can go after funding and 01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:32.280 there's different cycles different grant callings that we can go after 01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:37.600 typically every year some of them every two years some of them are random but 01:00:37.600 --> 01:00:43.520 we're trying to get things shovel ready as much as we can from a planning 01:00:43.520 --> 01:00:48.640 perspective so when we go to a grant application we're much more competitive 01:00:48.640 --> 01:00:53.960 than some of the other cities that we're competing against because sometimes they 01:00:53.960 --> 01:00:59.800 submit napkin sketches or this is what we want to do we're going in there with 01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:04.880 30% construction drawings saying that hey we just need to finish this CD and 01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:08.960 we're ready to go to bed we've done that with some of our parks with Bowling 01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:14.520 Green Park and villages Carmel we went in with hundred percent CDs and we are 01:01:14.520 --> 01:01:18.520 lucky to be awarded so we feel that's putting us in a much better place 01:01:18.520 --> 01:01:26.320 compared to our competitors that are applying for the same amount of money so 01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:32.000 in summary we are continually going to be aggressive and strategically take 01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:38.560 advantage of those opportunities for third-party funding we are not going to 01:01:38.560 --> 01:01:43.520 simply rely on what we have in our operating budget or in a general fund 01:01:43.520 --> 01:01:47.440 budget because to do what we want and what we want to do for the community is 01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:52.760 not possible alone with just the city's resources so they're giving those 01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:56.160 resources to somebody and we're going to get it we're going to do everything we 01:01:56.160 --> 01:02:01.960 can to get that funding so going after local state federal nonprofit matches 01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:08.160 that varies like I said it could be 20% to a hundred percent and again it's very 01:02:08.160 --> 01:02:13.320 competitive key focus areas planning and design get that going as quickly as 01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:18.160 possible and have that ready to roll so we can go after those grants multimodal 01:02:18.160 --> 01:02:22.920 infrastructure so we're providing anybody wants walk jog rollerblade bike 01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:28.440 to and from work across the city connectivity looking for those 01:02:28.440 --> 01:02:31.480 opportunities to connect to neighborhoods as new development 01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:37.040 occurs to bring people down to the core of the city whether you're Robeson or 01:02:37.040 --> 01:02:41.720 in a northeast at Lake Ray Roberts we want to provide you a way to get to this 01:02:41.720 --> 01:02:46.160 the downtown connecting the schools obviously safe routes to schools is 01:02:46.160 --> 01:02:51.920 important trailhead amenities lighting for safety trail heads for start and 01:02:51.920 --> 01:02:57.680 stop points resting points landscaping for beautification wildlife irrigation 01:02:57.680 --> 01:03:03.920 to keep all that alive benches signage etc and then some of the projects that 01:03:03.920 --> 01:03:08.280 we already mentioned so I guess one of the questions is what would be included 01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:13.920 in a bond initiative if a set amount would be placed there so that's 01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:17.600 something to talk about right now we talked about pecan Creek and Hickory 01:03:17.600 --> 01:03:22.120 Creek those are the two largest projects that we have some of those are going to 01:03:22.120 --> 01:03:26.520 be done in phases it's not going to be done from point a to point Z we're going 01:03:26.520 --> 01:03:30.480 to have to break that up sometimes we have road projects that it may meander 01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:35.680 onto that we have to wait for that to take place sometimes work with the Army 01:03:35.680 --> 01:03:39.160 Corps of Engineers it may may take a little longer so it would be broken up 01:03:39.160 --> 01:03:45.020 into manageable phases which pecan Creek trail is Cooper Creek trail extension 01:03:45.020 --> 01:03:49.000 working with UNT working with a private developer developer working with 01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:54.640 neighborhoods and working with our own city of all opportunities powerline 01:03:54.640 --> 01:03:58.120 easements we've already talked to DME about this we've got them on board and 01:03:58.120 --> 01:04:02.600 with regards to a process and how that would work and off-road trails we could 01:04:02.600 --> 01:04:09.120 do within our own park property which are the easiest so as of today we're 01:04:09.120 --> 01:04:12.920 proposing 15 million dollars like like I mentioned earlier that would get us 01:04:12.920 --> 01:04:18.800 about seven eight miles of trails but we want to use that as a nest egg or an 01:04:18.800 --> 01:04:24.200 investment to expand that to a larger amount by going after France and 01:04:24.200 --> 01:04:29.960 getting those lined up that could help us with the concrete Cooper Hickory Creek 01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:33.800 and other trail amenities and connectivity opportunities now we also 01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:37.440 want to make sure that those trails are spread out through the entire city so 01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:42.600 that's an opportunity for discussion but right now we're looking about 1.8 to 2 01:04:42.600 --> 01:04:49.040 million dollars a mile some of the examples of trails that we're doing 01:04:49.040 --> 01:04:55.120 shared use trails side paths that like May Hill was a side path powerline 01:04:55.120 --> 01:04:59.520 easement that area on the hills of Denton north of the loop from 428 to 01:04:59.520 --> 01:05:04.240 Bonnie Bray that's kind of what you would see there soft surface trails 01:05:04.240 --> 01:05:08.720 Clear Creek for example mountain bike trails that we're building at South 01:05:08.720 --> 01:05:14.440 Lakes Park and Hartley Field that we've done with volunteers wildflower trail we 01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:18.360 have at North Lakes Park doesn't look as good as that but that's still that's a 01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:24.240 goal for us dirt bike we have dirt bike trails we just mentioned we also looked 01:05:24.240 --> 01:05:29.560 at ATV trails there is funding from Texas Parks and Wildlife and we have 01:05:29.560 --> 01:05:33.240 property out by the airport where you could use it for four-wheelers or to 01:05:33.240 --> 01:05:37.280 two-wheel motocross was an option since there's not a lot of housing out there 01:05:37.280 --> 01:05:43.400 equestrian trails we do have trails that go up to Lake Ray Roberts for horses and 01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:49.040 then just basic trail amenities bridges obviously are expensive or underpasses 01:05:49.040 --> 01:05:54.600 that's where it starts adding into your your costs lighting beautification park 01:05:54.600 --> 01:06:02.240 furnishing signage and trail heads so that's a presentation on trail 01:06:02.240 --> 01:06:08.600 development thanks Gary in keeping with our newly discovered process we're gonna 01:06:08.600 --> 01:06:13.600 move into a time of open Q&A so we will have time for discussion and comments 01:06:13.600 --> 01:06:18.160 that'll come later but this is time to be able to pose Gary or anyone else on 01:06:18.160 --> 01:06:24.160 staff with questions about the proposal start up here or you want to help Gary 01:06:24.160 --> 01:06:28.360 thanks for a great presentation you mentioned the safe routes to school is 01:06:28.360 --> 01:06:31.160 one of the goals that you guys have and trying to achieve with your park 01:06:31.160 --> 01:06:34.600 investments can you talk about specifically how these trail projects 01:06:34.600 --> 01:06:39.400 address that goal and what schools they may serve so before I go any further I 01:06:39.400 --> 01:06:42.960 just want to introduce two staff members fence a Espinoza and Chris Escoto in our 01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:46.560 back they're part of our planning team they helped do a lot of this work so I 01:06:46.560 --> 01:06:50.400 just want to definitely mention them in regards to safe routes of schools this is 01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:54.080 something that we definitely work with our city engineer Becky Davini and 01:06:54.080 --> 01:07:00.400 Trevor crane on their efforts along the major roadways they're they're building a 01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:06.040 lot of trails for us so May Hill that's part of their project where we may have 01:07:06.040 --> 01:07:10.880 had a five-foot trail at some point in time we've changed our philosophy for it 01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:15.360 to be a ten-foot wide trail to take advantage of that opportunity and really 01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:19.920 capitalize off that so as they're designing roads they're looking that 01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:24.420 that opportunity as well as as we're planning from a park perspective how we 01:07:24.420 --> 01:07:30.440 can connect the dots whether it's a park to another park a neighborhood to a park 01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:36.160 a park to a downtown or a park to a school and a school to a neighborhood so 01:07:36.160 --> 01:07:40.280 we're trying to identify those opportunities and it's really one by 01:07:40.280 --> 01:07:47.860 one as we work through our development team with the city wide effort as a new 01:07:47.860 --> 01:07:52.400 apartment comes in that's on the north side of Pecan Creek Trail for example 01:07:52.400 --> 01:07:57.640 that we encourage them to create a connect to connection point down to our 01:07:57.640 --> 01:08:03.400 trail and that includes sometimes them building the trail we've had some of the 01:08:03.400 --> 01:08:09.880 developments put in a couple parking spots for that's like a trailhead so 01:08:09.880 --> 01:08:16.560 their residents can get on the trail and use that to walk to a school Ryan Road 01:08:16.560 --> 01:08:20.280 is not the Ryan high school is not that far from there so we're trying to plan 01:08:20.280 --> 01:08:26.160 those efforts to make sure we get from Pecan Creek up to McKinney to get kids 01:08:26.160 --> 01:08:31.720 up onto the McKinney Trail that is that has been built for the most part so 01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:34.600 that's kind of an example of how we're trying to take advantage of those 01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:38.760 opportunities not just with parks and recreation but also engineering in the 01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:45.840 city is a that's a wider scope any other questions 01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:55.440 so basically you would be asking the committee to give you a set amount of 01:08:55.440 --> 01:09:00.360 money say 15 million do we as a committee have any input or any further 01:09:00.360 --> 01:09:06.400 input on how that 15 million would be spent so so we have a recommendation on 01:09:06.400 --> 01:09:12.440 kind of like where our higher priorities are that we're working on today I think 01:09:12.440 --> 01:09:17.840 there's an those four trails like that would be but obviously they're I mean 01:09:17.840 --> 01:09:23.160 that cost is more than the 15 right you would do it in phases but which phase 01:09:23.160 --> 01:09:28.160 would you do with first or that's I really can't answer that question right 01:09:28.160 --> 01:09:33.640 now I know we picked out a couple phases of Pecan Creek because they were the 01:09:33.640 --> 01:09:37.440 easiest ones to do at this point in time because the grant timeline it's like okay 01:09:37.440 --> 01:09:42.160 we can make this work let's let's go after these phases if there's a phase 01:09:42.160 --> 01:09:46.360 where it's all city property and we're to own it that could be pretty quick if 01:09:46.360 --> 01:09:50.760 there's an area along Hickory Creek where we have to buy a piece of property we 01:09:50.760 --> 01:09:57.240 may have to skip that and come back to it now Hickory Creek the advantage of 01:09:57.240 --> 01:10:04.600 that one is coal ranch is a major section of that basically from 35 to Tom 01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:10.720 Cole and they are going to build that for us so we already can count that as 01:10:10.720 --> 01:10:18.920 kind of already accounted for but we've been acquiring land from 35 all the way 01:10:18.920 --> 01:10:23.600 down to basically old Alton bridge and there's like two more pieces that we 01:10:23.600 --> 01:10:29.240 need to get that so we can kind of go all the way through now that doesn't 01:10:29.240 --> 01:10:33.120 mean where we can go build the whole thing at one time it depends on costs 01:10:33.120 --> 01:10:36.160 depends on if there's another construction project going on the city 01:10:36.160 --> 01:10:40.480 that we may want to wait and be part of that or wait till it's over so it's it's 01:10:40.480 --> 01:10:44.880 not easy to be able to say we're just going to roll out and do from a to from 01:10:44.880 --> 01:10:50.240 point a to point B we can give you a sense of we'll work on trails in these 01:10:50.240 --> 01:10:56.000 general areas so it needs to be somewhat specific probably maybe related back to 01:10:56.000 --> 01:11:01.680 our park master plan but yet somewhat giving us some flexibility because if we 01:11:01.680 --> 01:11:08.760 lock ourselves into just three projects that may extend the timeline if there's 01:11:08.760 --> 01:11:13.160 a challenge and there will be a challenge every project has it in regards 01:11:13.160 --> 01:11:18.040 to utilizing the bond funding in a quick fashion because I know that's one of the 01:11:18.040 --> 01:11:25.280 goals too you mentioned how many miles of trails we currently have how many 01:11:25.280 --> 01:11:31.880 miles of trails are available either in the city proper or just outside to our 01:11:31.880 --> 01:11:36.040 to didn't citizens that are already funded by textile that are already 01:11:36.040 --> 01:11:40.080 funded by you know national parks in other words are there things available 01:11:40.080 --> 01:11:47.680 currently to our citizens that are are sponsored by these other entities so 01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:54.440 sponsored or built by okay well that's I don't have that exact example because 01:11:54.440 --> 01:11:58.680 we've used a lot of grant funding to build various trails throughout the city 01:11:58.680 --> 01:12:02.480 we'd have to go back and do some research to figure out how they were all 01:12:02.480 --> 01:12:10.560 built going through the past we do have trails that go from University to Lake 01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:15.240 Ray Roberts that's on Army Corps of Engineer property that the city has a 01:12:15.240 --> 01:12:21.080 lease with Dallas and then we turn around and sublease it back to Texas 01:12:21.080 --> 01:12:28.040 Parks and Wildlife and they manage those and all that property everything else 01:12:28.040 --> 01:12:37.120 that's on there we manage for the most part that are city property that helps 01:12:37.120 --> 01:12:44.000 I have a question on usage do you have traffic flow for the trails that are 01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:49.480 available or a percentage of the citizens of Denton that are using these 01:12:49.480 --> 01:12:55.040 facilities or a numerical number for the people that are actually using all of 01:12:55.040 --> 01:13:01.800 these facilities thank you yeah great question the short answer is no the 01:13:01.800 --> 01:13:06.200 technology is starting to get there to a point where we can put basically 01:13:06.200 --> 01:13:10.280 outdoor traffic counts counters on the trails and that's one thing we want to 01:13:10.280 --> 01:13:18.080 do we're working to get a economic development tool like a placer AI that 01:13:18.080 --> 01:13:21.880 you can use to actually create polygons and see how many people have gone through 01:13:21.880 --> 01:13:27.880 those polygons through phone technology so we're hoping that would help but there 01:13:27.880 --> 01:13:33.280 is a duration on that in relation to they have to be in that polygon for a 01:13:33.280 --> 01:13:37.400 certain amount of time so that even that may not be a hundred percent accurate 01:13:37.400 --> 01:13:41.960 for trails it would be great for parks so we can probably determine how many 01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:49.840 people were in our park to get somewhat close could you describe in the scope of 01:13:49.840 --> 01:13:54.200 this proposed bond if you're considering land acquisition as part of the trail 01:13:54.200 --> 01:13:58.000 development process or is that separate in terms of the purchase order for you 01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:02.680 the 15 million dollars would go really quick it'd be could go quicker than the 01:14:02.680 --> 01:14:08.020 trail development if land and right now no it's just for actual bricks and mortar 01:14:08.020 --> 01:14:14.040 to build the trails so we've we spent a lot of time buying the land with past 01:14:14.040 --> 01:14:18.360 bond program funding as well as working with our development community to try to 01:14:18.360 --> 01:14:26.840 acquire that land so we could get to this point where now we're developing it 01:14:26.840 --> 01:14:32.080 can we get like a matrix of your priorities for the 15 million dollars 01:14:32.080 --> 01:14:36.360 with maybe like you know pecan Creek trails gonna be three million dollars 01:14:36.360 --> 01:14:40.360 and maybe some of the color that you talked about earlier just so as we're 01:14:40.360 --> 01:14:43.920 making decisions you know on what we need to do we can kind of been be 01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:47.720 informed about what the priorities are from your perspective along with the 01:14:47.720 --> 01:14:53.080 cost absolutely thank you and that they they're not hard numbers they would be 01:14:53.080 --> 01:15:02.880 rough estimates I said after him catch those two in the parks trail master plan 01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:08.840 it lists recommended easement trails as well as a possibility for expansion one 01:15:08.840 --> 01:15:12.480 of the things that's listed is pecan Creek is that the same as the pecan 01:15:12.480 --> 01:15:18.440 Creek trails that are listed up here as your idea and if so is that the easement 01:15:18.440 --> 01:15:22.720 that runs along the creek that crosses like the loop and locust has that land 01:15:22.720 --> 01:15:29.720 already been acquired so pecan Creek if would basically start basically the DCTA 01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:35.240 trail it would be on street for a small section and then Fred Moore Park East 01:15:35.240 --> 01:15:41.800 along the creek up to Carl Young over to Woodrow down through a section that's 01:15:41.800 --> 01:15:47.440 private development the developer is still kind of in flux in regards to what 01:15:47.440 --> 01:15:50.600 he's gonna do we do have an alternate plan that would go down to Shady Oaks and 01:15:50.600 --> 01:15:56.760 then into pebble brook and basically city property north side of the landfill 01:15:56.760 --> 01:16:01.280 on the north side of the creek all the way down to Louisville so concrete and 01:16:01.280 --> 01:16:08.320 Hickory Creek are almost all accessible for the most part whether we own it or 01:16:08.320 --> 01:16:16.240 we have an easement or we have to finalize an easement except for a couple 01:16:16.240 --> 01:16:21.360 pieces of property so I think we've put ourselves in a really good position 01:16:21.360 --> 01:16:25.880 considering the length of those projects have a quick follow-up on that piece to 01:16:25.880 --> 01:16:29.920 the east is it is there an opportunity to use tree mitigation funds for some of 01:16:29.920 --> 01:16:34.200 those areas because they're so heavily wooded and represent some of our post 01:16:34.200 --> 01:16:41.920 oaks and areas that we'd like to save so we can use tree mitigation funds for 01:16:41.920 --> 01:16:48.600 land acquisition to preserve trees and to plant trees and for some staffing and 01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:54.000 marketing there's a percentage it's like 45 5 50 percent I can't remember if 01:16:54.000 --> 01:17:01.000 acquisitions 50% or 45% but not for trail development that that is an 01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:06.360 outline today in that process and that's not how we've used it in the past 01:17:06.360 --> 01:17:11.760 all right last open question go ahead Gary there's I know state has a lot of 01:17:11.760 --> 01:17:17.600 special rules for Parks Department or Parks in general my understanding is to 01:17:17.600 --> 01:17:22.000 sell parkland must be a vote of the citizens but to sell city property is 01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:28.080 just a vote of council so if the citizens vote for this package just like 01:17:28.080 --> 01:17:33.240 the bond oversight committee and City Council has the ability down the road to 01:17:33.240 --> 01:17:37.400 adjust how those funds are used you know put a little bit more on this roadway 01:17:37.400 --> 01:17:43.480 package instead of this roadway package are these locked strictly to parks these 01:17:43.480 --> 01:17:49.680 projects or the 15 million is approved would that be locked strictly to the 01:17:49.680 --> 01:18:04.840 parks I think John the answer to that is yes because of how it's on the ballot so 01:18:04.840 --> 01:18:10.920 if you have on the ballot parks projects the money that's approved by the voter 01:18:10.920 --> 01:18:16.440 for parks projects can only be spent on parks projects it can't be spent on 01:18:16.440 --> 01:18:22.120 roadways or fire stations it has to be spent on that if that's how it's on the 01:18:22.120 --> 01:18:27.480 ballot and I think that the ballot restrictions have gotten a lot to get 01:18:27.480 --> 01:18:34.240 tighter in terms of how those things get on the ballot just to add to that there 01:18:34.240 --> 01:18:38.340 there's a section of Hickory Creek there are a couple sections where it's 01:18:38.340 --> 01:18:43.920 actually following a roadway the Hickory Creek overpass and that general area 01:18:43.920 --> 01:18:50.920 there is part of another project that wouldn't be part of this these would be 01:18:50.920 --> 01:18:57.920 either in mostly in park property in easements that are retained for the 01:18:57.920 --> 01:19:08.080 purpose of the trail probably those options for the most part all right next 01:19:08.080 --> 01:19:13.320 according to our process is to move into a time of small group discussion to 01:19:13.320 --> 01:19:18.960 reflect a bit at your table and ask some questions among your fellow table mates 01:19:18.960 --> 01:19:25.200 and we're gonna take probably we'll see how much chatter there is maybe tap it 01:19:25.200 --> 01:19:29.680 at five minutes and then we're gonna come back for open discussion 01:19:43.320 --> 01:19:45.320 , thank you. 01:20:13.320 --> 01:20:15.320 [SIDE CONVERSATION] 01:20:44.320 --> 01:20:46.320 [SIDE CONVERSATION] 01:21:13.320 --> 01:21:16.320 [SIDE CONVERSATION] 01:21:43.320 --> 01:21:46.320 [SIDE CONVERSATION] 01:22:13.320 --> 01:22:19.320 Whether or not it's in this year, whether or not it's in now, that's a good question. And that's a good question. 01:22:19.320 --> 01:22:21.320 And that's a very good question. 01:22:21.320 --> 01:22:23.320 But I'm not sure if it's in this year. 01:22:23.320 --> 01:22:25.320 If it's in this year, it's fine. 01:22:25.320 --> 01:22:27.320 Unless it's in this year, it's fine. 01:22:27.320 --> 01:22:31.320 Well, that's the thing. They can't even apply for those rates. 01:22:31.320 --> 01:22:33.320 They don't have these problems. 01:22:33.320 --> 01:22:35.320 Because it has to be matched. 01:22:35.320 --> 01:22:37.320 Right. 01:22:37.320 --> 01:22:39.320 So, two billion that they already have. 01:22:39.320 --> 01:22:43.320 Yeah. 01:22:43.320 --> 01:23:07.320 [inaudible] 01:23:07.320 --> 01:23:09.320 How would that help? 01:23:09.320 --> 01:23:11.320 How would that help? 01:23:11.320 --> 01:23:33.320 [inaudible] 01:23:33.320 --> 01:23:59.320 [inaudible] 01:23:59.320 --> 01:24:27.320 [inaudible] 01:24:27.320 --> 01:24:55.320 [inaudible] 01:24:55.320 --> 01:25:05.320 [inaudible] 01:25:05.320 --> 01:25:07.320 Let's take about another minute. 01:25:07.320 --> 01:25:35.320 [inaudible] 01:25:35.320 --> 01:25:37.320 [laughter] 01:25:37.320 --> 01:25:39.320 Not me. 01:25:39.320 --> 01:25:41.320 [laughter] 01:25:41.320 --> 01:25:43.320 I'm too old. 01:25:43.320 --> 01:25:45.320 [laughter] 01:25:45.320 --> 01:26:13.320 [inaudible] 01:26:13.320 --> 01:26:17.320 [inaudible] 01:26:17.320 --> 01:26:19.320 All right. 01:26:19.320 --> 01:26:24.320 The beautiful noise of chatter and discussion and questions. 01:26:24.320 --> 01:26:27.320 I love it. 01:26:27.320 --> 01:26:29.320 What we're moving into now is a time. 01:26:29.320 --> 01:26:31.320 You might have a question that came out of this. 01:26:31.320 --> 01:26:34.320 So, Gary, you're not completely off the hot seat. 01:26:34.320 --> 01:26:42.320 But the idea of this is now moving beyond questions to just general comments, discussion, ideas from this team. 01:26:42.320 --> 01:26:46.320 So, anyone want to kick things off with a comment? 01:26:46.320 --> 01:26:48.320 Since I didn't ask a question. 01:26:48.320 --> 01:26:50.320 Go for it. 01:26:50.320 --> 01:26:55.320 I just wanted to point out to the group, I follow a lot of the active transportation funding federally and in the state. 01:26:55.320 --> 01:27:02.320 And I can tell you, this last infrastructure bill at the federal level was the biggest active transportation amount they've ever put out there. 01:27:02.320 --> 01:27:07.320 So, there's a whole lot more external funding for us right now for this type of project. 01:27:07.320 --> 01:27:12.320 And I did some rough math. 01:27:12.320 --> 01:27:19.320 If we put up 15 million and we get lucky and we get that 80% match for all of that, we could build $75 million worth of trails. 01:27:19.320 --> 01:27:24.320 So, we can get a big return on this investment in addition to any economic development that it spurs as well. 01:27:24.320 --> 01:27:31.320 [inaudible] 01:27:31.320 --> 01:27:38.320 So, at our table, we had a difficult time kind of visualizing where the trails were. 01:27:38.320 --> 01:27:46.320 So, the question would be, is there an existing place where we could go and see that? 01:27:46.320 --> 01:27:48.320 I think we're all visual people, right? 01:27:48.320 --> 01:27:51.320 So, it would be really good if there was an app. 01:27:51.320 --> 01:28:00.320 Because I think that would be something that would be very attractive to people looking to move to Denton to see the trails that were available. 01:28:00.320 --> 01:28:05.320 And particularly if they're neighborhood-based. 01:28:05.320 --> 01:28:06.320 Do you have a response to that? 01:28:06.320 --> 01:28:09.320 Just because is there a map like that that exists? 01:28:09.320 --> 01:28:13.320 And if not, can something be provided for us to be able to visualize the recommendations? 01:28:13.320 --> 01:28:15.320 Yes, we do have a map. 01:28:15.320 --> 01:28:18.320 It looks like a plate of spaghetti, full disclosure. 01:28:18.320 --> 01:28:26.320 But we can pull out some of the other layers and clean it up and provide it to you along with the matrix that was requested. 01:28:26.320 --> 01:28:31.320 And make sure that's in a spot that is easily accessible online as well. 01:28:31.320 --> 01:28:40.320 And in the future, would it be possible to do something that is visually appealing for people when they look at maps? 01:28:40.320 --> 01:28:42.320 I know that's a map. 01:28:42.320 --> 01:28:46.320 He's saying put some marketing pizzazz to it. 01:28:46.320 --> 01:28:51.320 Yeah, we pretty much have a detailed list of what we have. 01:28:51.320 --> 01:28:56.320 We haven't really sold the sizzle on what we want to do in regards to what you're saying. 01:28:56.320 --> 01:28:58.320 But that's definitely something we can look at adding. 01:28:58.320 --> 01:28:59.320 Awesome. 01:28:59.320 --> 01:29:00.320 Thank you. 01:29:00.320 --> 01:29:02.320 Did you have your hand raised before? 01:29:02.320 --> 01:29:04.320 Was there a follow-up to that? 01:29:04.320 --> 01:29:05.320 You got it. 01:29:05.320 --> 01:29:07.320 Okay, second. 01:29:07.320 --> 01:29:11.320 Are we seeing any trails on Saturday? 01:29:11.320 --> 01:29:15.320 Are trails a part of the Saturday field trip? 01:29:15.320 --> 01:29:17.320 They are not. 01:29:17.320 --> 01:29:25.320 Self-guided opportunity for you this weekend. 01:29:25.320 --> 01:29:29.320 At our table, we were wanting more clarification. 01:29:29.320 --> 01:29:35.320 We know that the $15 million are going to be considered for all of those that are up there. 01:29:35.320 --> 01:29:37.320 Is there a priority number one? 01:29:37.320 --> 01:29:38.320 Number two? 01:29:38.320 --> 01:29:42.320 Because we may not be able to get all those miles of completion. 01:29:42.320 --> 01:30:07.320 So what is the priority for the $15 million if we get nothing else? 01:30:07.320 --> 01:30:12.320 So one of the things we talked about at our table was, well, you know, what if we get down to it 01:30:12.320 --> 01:30:16.320 and we're feeling really good about trails, we're feeling really good about millions for trails, 01:30:16.320 --> 01:30:22.320 but we think it ought to be 16 or we think it ought to be 10 or we think it ought to be 9 or 11. 01:30:22.320 --> 01:30:24.320 But that's something we as a committee get to do. 01:30:24.320 --> 01:30:27.320 That's the process we voted on on the green pages, on the green slides. 01:30:27.320 --> 01:30:29.320 So we're going to have an opportunity to do that. 01:30:29.320 --> 01:30:32.320 Just because a proposal is 15 doesn't mean it has to stick at 15. 01:30:32.320 --> 01:30:34.320 And that's the same for all the rest of the proposals. 01:30:34.320 --> 01:30:35.320 We'll get wiggle room. 01:30:35.320 --> 01:30:40.320 And I also want to put in a plug for trails as economic development. 01:30:40.320 --> 01:30:44.320 There are tons of studies on this that even if people aren't trail users, 01:30:44.320 --> 01:30:49.320 and I'm not a very good mic user, even if people aren't trail users, they wish they were. 01:30:49.320 --> 01:30:53.320 And they want to be in a place where maybe their kids are going to be or whatever. 01:30:53.320 --> 01:30:55.320 They want to be in that kind of place. 01:30:55.320 --> 01:31:02.320 So trails as economic development has a lot of really good research behind it. 01:31:02.320 --> 01:31:06.320 Thanks. Any other comments before we move on to the next topic? 01:31:06.320 --> 01:31:08.320 Again, written Q&A. 01:31:08.320 --> 01:31:13.320 Feel free to use that QR code on these half sheets on this topic or anything along the way. 01:31:13.320 --> 01:31:15.320 That's the other segment of this. 01:31:15.320 --> 01:31:17.320 So you guys are doing great. 01:31:17.320 --> 01:31:23.320 Let's move on to the next topic, which is animal shelter. 01:31:23.320 --> 01:31:24.320 All right. 01:31:24.320 --> 01:31:28.320 Let's hear it for the animal shelter. 01:31:28.320 --> 01:31:30.320 Whatever you need it to be. 01:31:30.320 --> 01:31:32.320 Good evening. I'm Tiffany Thompson. 01:31:32.320 --> 01:31:35.320 I'm the director here of customer service and animal services. 01:31:35.320 --> 01:31:38.320 And first, I see a lot of supporters out there. 01:31:38.320 --> 01:31:40.320 Some of y'all have adopted an animal. 01:31:40.320 --> 01:31:42.320 I want to say thank you for that. 01:31:42.320 --> 01:31:45.320 I know y'all got some amazing goodie bags at your first meeting. 01:31:45.320 --> 01:31:48.320 I was told I could not provide a puppy or a kitten in your bag. 01:31:48.320 --> 01:31:55.320 However, I can make your dreams come true soon tonight if you like. 01:31:55.320 --> 01:32:00.320 So the Linda McNack Animal Care and Adoption Center, we have 22 employees. 01:32:00.320 --> 01:32:05.320 We are in an 18,156-square-foot building. 01:32:05.320 --> 01:32:07.320 We are a seven-day-a-week operation. 01:32:07.320 --> 01:32:11.320 The shelter is open to the public Monday through Saturday, 10 to 5. 01:32:11.320 --> 01:32:17.320 And then our staff is there from approximately 6 a.m. to 6 p.m., seven days a week. 01:32:17.320 --> 01:32:22.320 And then our field operations are 24 hours, seven days a week. 01:32:22.320 --> 01:32:26.320 So just real quickly, this is one of the newer buildings that you're seeing on the bond. 01:32:26.320 --> 01:32:30.320 This really is about operability for the animal shelter. 01:32:30.320 --> 01:32:32.320 It is a building that was built in 2015, 01:32:32.320 --> 01:32:35.320 so we're really going to be focusing on the expansion that was already planned 01:32:35.320 --> 01:32:37.320 when this building originally went in. 01:32:37.320 --> 01:32:41.320 We have two needs for ADA, two small needs. 01:32:41.320 --> 01:32:45.320 This is our small dog yard, has a slope, and then there's one sidewalk. 01:32:45.320 --> 01:32:48.320 So I'm going to get those addressed pretty quickly. 01:32:48.320 --> 01:32:51.320 So a little bit of timeline on the animal shelter, 01:32:51.320 --> 01:32:54.320 because you're going to see a lot of things, challenges throughout this presentation, 01:32:54.320 --> 01:32:59.320 but I first want to say that this was the Taj Mahal of animal shelters when we built it. 01:32:59.320 --> 01:33:03.320 It is an amazing facility that we are still incredibly proud of. 01:33:03.320 --> 01:33:07.320 So timeline, the Denton Animal Support Foundation decided 01:33:07.320 --> 01:33:11.320 that they wanted to really spearhead getting a new shelter. 01:33:11.320 --> 01:33:16.320 So they went out to the public, and through the Denton Animal Support Foundation, 01:33:16.320 --> 01:33:22.320 they raised 30% of the $6 million cost to build the shelter. 01:33:22.320 --> 01:33:24.320 So it is an amazing public-private partnership. 01:33:24.320 --> 01:33:27.320 We still have an amazing partnership with them today. 01:33:27.320 --> 01:33:32.320 So they really are one of the biggest reasons why we have this beautiful facility that we have now. 01:33:32.320 --> 01:33:37.320 In 2008, the master plan for the shelter was adopted by Council. 01:33:37.320 --> 01:33:42.320 The goal in that original master plan was to meet the needs through 2017. 01:33:42.320 --> 01:33:48.320 The original plan and scope did have an anticipation date of opening of the shelter of 2009. 01:33:48.320 --> 01:33:56.320 So those same kennel spaces that were planned in 2008 is what was ultimately built and opened in 2015. 01:33:56.320 --> 01:34:00.320 So we've done a really great job about utilizing the facility as best as we could, 01:34:00.320 --> 01:34:03.320 but we're just at that time where we need to expand. 01:34:03.320 --> 01:34:10.320 So groundbreaking occurred in 2012 for construction, and we opened the shelter in 2015. 01:34:10.320 --> 01:34:12.320 So this is one of my most favorite pictures. 01:34:12.320 --> 01:34:19.320 So this is a great example of how some animals come into the shelter and how they leave after rehabilitation. 01:34:19.320 --> 01:34:27.320 This guy was sent out to foster care, gained 17 pounds, became incredibly healthy, and was adopted out. 01:34:27.320 --> 01:34:32.320 So last year we took in approximately 4,800 animals, 3,000 adoptions. 01:34:32.320 --> 01:34:36.320 650 animals were unified back to their owner, so that's amazing. 01:34:36.320 --> 01:34:40.320 If you lost your animal, we were able to unify 651 people. 01:34:40.320 --> 01:34:44.320 7,100 fill calls, 43,000 customer contacts. 01:34:44.320 --> 01:34:49.320 And we also have a pet food pantry that we will provide pet food to anyone, no questions asked. 01:34:49.320 --> 01:34:52.320 You just come to the shelter and we'll give you what you need. 01:34:52.320 --> 01:34:54.320 So some of the challenges. 01:34:54.320 --> 01:34:58.320 One thing I want to note that we do have an interlocal agreement with Denton County. 01:34:58.320 --> 01:35:04.320 So approximately 10 to 15 percent of our animal intake does come from Denton County, 01:35:04.320 --> 01:35:08.320 mainly coming from the north areas where there is not animal shelters. 01:35:08.320 --> 01:35:11.320 So we do have a full cost recovery with that. 01:35:11.320 --> 01:35:16.320 But that certainly is part of some of our capacity challenges right now. 01:35:16.320 --> 01:35:20.320 By 2030, we're anticipated to increase by 38 percent. 01:35:20.320 --> 01:35:26.320 Our capacity right now is 114 dogs and 164 cats. 01:35:26.320 --> 01:35:29.320 We are at capacity right now at the animal shelter. 01:35:29.320 --> 01:35:35.320 I want to note that we have 44 dogs currently out in foster care and we have 160 cats out in foster care as well. 01:35:35.320 --> 01:35:40.320 So if you could imagine if we were having to take in all of those animals without the support of the community, 01:35:40.320 --> 01:35:42.320 how greater of an issue that would be for us. 01:35:42.320 --> 01:35:44.320 So again, thank you to our supporters. 01:35:44.320 --> 01:35:47.320 We do currently have a wait list of 100 animals. 01:35:47.320 --> 01:35:53.320 I want to highlight that if there's an animal that is incredibly unwell or aggressive, 01:35:53.320 --> 01:35:55.320 we take those animals immediately. 01:35:55.320 --> 01:35:56.320 They're not on a wait list. 01:35:56.320 --> 01:36:01.320 A wait list would mean, hey, I don't think I can care for my dog anymore. 01:36:01.320 --> 01:36:03.320 It may be something to do with they can't feed them anymore. 01:36:03.320 --> 01:36:06.320 So we would provide food or maybe they're moving. 01:36:06.320 --> 01:36:11.320 So we really work with those people to say we want to try to keep that animal out of the shelter. 01:36:11.320 --> 01:36:14.320 So we have a wait list that we work through. 01:36:14.320 --> 01:36:18.320 One of the other reasons why we have a wait list, number one, we're at capacity consistently. 01:36:18.320 --> 01:36:22.320 Two things we do not do at the Denton Animal Services. 01:36:22.320 --> 01:36:26.320 We do not euthanize for space and we will not warehouse animals. 01:36:26.320 --> 01:36:29.320 So what that means is we don't have pop-up kennels. 01:36:29.320 --> 01:36:31.320 A lot of shelters will do that. 01:36:31.320 --> 01:36:37.320 They have 164 kennels, but they may have 100 more pop-up kennels in hallways, 01:36:37.320 --> 01:36:39.320 wherever available real estate there is. 01:36:39.320 --> 01:36:44.320 We do not do that because we want to make sure the animals in our care have adequate space 01:36:44.320 --> 01:36:47.320 to be able to be comfortable as possible in the shelter environment. 01:36:47.320 --> 01:36:50.320 I just wanted to give you a little bit of information on that. 01:36:50.320 --> 01:36:54.320 So currently because of our capacity, we don't have enough kennel space. 01:36:54.320 --> 01:36:56.320 We need to expand. 01:36:56.320 --> 01:37:00.320 As you can imagine, the laundry -- I took this picture last week. 01:37:00.320 --> 01:37:02.320 There's a lot of laundry that goes on. 01:37:02.320 --> 01:37:06.320 Every animal gets a clean blanket every day and fresh dishes and sanitized dishes. 01:37:06.320 --> 01:37:09.320 So that is a true case. 01:37:09.320 --> 01:37:13.320 We do not have a designated housing area for small and furry animals. 01:37:13.320 --> 01:37:16.320 So that's guinea pigs, rats. 01:37:16.320 --> 01:37:18.320 We have rats right now in the shelter. 01:37:18.320 --> 01:37:22.320 I may have not walked closely to that this afternoon. 01:37:22.320 --> 01:37:25.320 We have squirrels, any type of small and furry. 01:37:25.320 --> 01:37:26.320 We don't have a designated area. 01:37:26.320 --> 01:37:31.320 So right now they're in these kennels in our training room or they're out front. 01:37:31.320 --> 01:37:33.320 And whenever you walk in, you can see a little guinea pig. 01:37:33.320 --> 01:37:37.320 So we want to make sure there's a designated space for our small and furry animals. 01:37:37.320 --> 01:37:43.320 Also, our animal intake area is currently -- you walk into the lobby or you pull into the back. 01:37:43.320 --> 01:37:49.320 This middle picture right here are two doors that should be used for animal intake area. 01:37:49.320 --> 01:37:50.320 We have our vet clinic. 01:37:50.320 --> 01:37:53.320 We do surgeries four days a week at the animal shelter. 01:37:53.320 --> 01:37:55.320 That's currently at the front of the shelter. 01:37:55.320 --> 01:38:04.320 We want to be able to move that back and gain efficiency so people can come in these front doors to drop off their animals for intakes. 01:38:04.320 --> 01:38:07.320 So all of our turped areas need to be replaced at this time. 01:38:07.320 --> 01:38:09.320 Turp is supposed to last eight to ten years. 01:38:09.320 --> 01:38:11.320 So we're exactly where we're supposed to be. 01:38:11.320 --> 01:38:13.320 We do have some dips. 01:38:13.320 --> 01:38:15.320 Obviously, animals, when they get outside, they're pretty excited. 01:38:15.320 --> 01:38:19.320 So they're going to do everything they can just to buy some time. 01:38:19.320 --> 01:38:21.320 So it is an opportunity for us to replace the turf. 01:38:21.320 --> 01:38:24.320 Our exercise kennels are our kennels that are outside. 01:38:24.320 --> 01:38:28.320 Whenever we need to clean the kennel, every kennel gets cleaned every single day. 01:38:28.320 --> 01:38:32.320 We need to move that animal out of the kennel so we can properly clean it. 01:38:32.320 --> 01:38:35.320 That is on the other side of the shelter. 01:38:35.320 --> 01:38:41.320 So what happens is we're physically moving that animal to a very long distance. 01:38:41.320 --> 01:38:44.320 And one of the dangers of that is cross-contamination. 01:38:44.320 --> 01:38:46.320 They're also very large dogs. 01:38:46.320 --> 01:38:49.320 You can imagine being pulled by a 120-pound dog back and forth. 01:38:49.320 --> 01:38:51.320 It's very labor-intensive. 01:38:51.320 --> 01:38:57.320 So there's an opportunity for us to relocate that to also save steps and time for our staff. 01:38:57.320 --> 01:39:03.320 Sorry, gross picture, but that is a toilet where we actually take the feces out of the kennels and flush it. 01:39:03.320 --> 01:39:05.320 That is continually problematic. 01:39:05.320 --> 01:39:07.320 So we just need to take that out. 01:39:07.320 --> 01:39:13.320 So there's an opportunity to get a better use of that space. 01:39:13.320 --> 01:39:18.320 Our HVAC system currently needs to be replaced and revamped. 01:39:18.320 --> 01:39:24.320 What we have found is that not all areas have 100% intake. 01:39:24.320 --> 01:39:27.320 And so that currently allows for cross-contamination. 01:39:27.320 --> 01:39:32.320 One of the greatest dangers in an animal shelter is a virus outbreak. 01:39:32.320 --> 01:39:35.320 It is incredibly hard to catch. 01:39:35.320 --> 01:39:39.320 And once it's in the shelter, it's incredibly damaging. 01:39:39.320 --> 01:39:41.320 Last summer, we had the Khaleesi virus outbreak. 01:39:41.320 --> 01:39:45.320 That's an upper respiratory virus with felines. 01:39:45.320 --> 01:39:47.320 A lot of times they're asymptomatic. 01:39:47.320 --> 01:39:49.320 They don't even know they're sick until they're sick. 01:39:49.320 --> 01:39:53.320 And we did have to euthanize 120 cats last summer. 01:39:53.320 --> 01:39:57.320 So cross-contamination, air ventilation is crucial. 01:39:57.320 --> 01:40:01.320 Sometimes those virus outbreaks usually happen approximately once a year. 01:40:01.320 --> 01:40:08.320 Unfortunately, that is not -- every shelter is at that danger and at risk of that. 01:40:08.320 --> 01:40:11.320 So that isn't something that you don't see everywhere else. 01:40:11.320 --> 01:40:14.320 That's just part of the shelter environment. 01:40:14.320 --> 01:40:19.320 However, we have found that some of these rooms are sharing a system. 01:40:19.320 --> 01:40:23.320 So a healthy cat room is sharing a system with an isolated cat room. 01:40:23.320 --> 01:40:27.320 So that's one of the dangers that we have right now. 01:40:27.320 --> 01:40:30.320 And then when you walk up to the shelter, we have these amazing little cutout boxes. 01:40:30.320 --> 01:40:32.320 That's a cat porch. 01:40:32.320 --> 01:40:35.320 And so the intention of that room, as you walk into the shelter, 01:40:35.320 --> 01:40:38.320 you see these little fluffy cats in the window. 01:40:38.320 --> 01:40:40.320 You're like, oh, let's get a little fluffy. 01:40:40.320 --> 01:40:44.320 You look up here, there is no ventilation in these rooms. 01:40:44.320 --> 01:40:46.320 So we can't house cats in there. 01:40:46.320 --> 01:40:50.320 So if we hit capacity for our felines, we can move a couple on there. 01:40:50.320 --> 01:40:53.320 So if we do have them in there for a visitation, 01:40:53.320 --> 01:40:58.320 they're only in there for a very small amount of time. 01:40:58.320 --> 01:41:01.320 We do not have sufficient rest areas for our staff. 01:41:01.320 --> 01:41:06.320 As you can imagine, Animal Services is a very labor-intensive operation. 01:41:06.320 --> 01:41:09.320 So we want to be able to provide them a good resting place. 01:41:09.320 --> 01:41:11.320 Also, sorry, gross picture again. 01:41:11.320 --> 01:41:13.320 This is a hoarding case. 01:41:13.320 --> 01:41:19.320 And then some of the delicious animals that we get to pick up out in the field that are rather smelly. 01:41:19.320 --> 01:41:21.320 We do not have showers for our staff. 01:41:21.320 --> 01:41:24.320 So they do not have a way to clean off before going home. 01:41:24.320 --> 01:41:29.320 So that's something that we would like to be able to provide them as well. 01:41:29.320 --> 01:41:31.320 So spacing for staff. 01:41:31.320 --> 01:41:33.320 We are bunked up with each other. 01:41:33.320 --> 01:41:36.320 This middle picture is actually our conference room. 01:41:36.320 --> 01:41:40.320 So all of us are just bunking up as best as we can. 01:41:40.320 --> 01:41:41.320 We don't have adequate space anymore. 01:41:41.320 --> 01:41:43.320 We've gone through that. 01:41:43.320 --> 01:41:46.320 And there's a lot of shelving throughout the shelter that's just really high. 01:41:46.320 --> 01:41:51.320 And it's nonfunctional because you can't reach it. 01:41:51.320 --> 01:41:57.320 So the intention of the proposal is to expand the animal shelter facility at our current site. 01:41:57.320 --> 01:42:00.320 It's approximately $13 million to do that. 01:42:00.320 --> 01:42:04.320 We're going to increase the capacity to be able to take in more animals, 01:42:04.320 --> 01:42:09.320 change the functionality to increase how we can better operate, 01:42:09.320 --> 01:42:12.320 and then obviously replace the HVAC system. 01:42:12.320 --> 01:42:15.320 These first two pictures are from the original master plan. 01:42:15.320 --> 01:42:18.320 So expansion was always part of the plan at the shelter. 01:42:18.320 --> 01:42:22.320 They knew we were going to need it at some point for that. 01:42:22.320 --> 01:42:25.320 So those were some proposals where it could go. 01:42:25.320 --> 01:42:28.320 This is a bird's eye view currently, that third picture. 01:42:28.320 --> 01:42:34.320 So that's where the proposed expansion would go as well. 01:42:34.320 --> 01:42:35.320 This is one of my favorite pictures. 01:42:35.320 --> 01:42:37.320 That was an animal at the shelter. 01:42:37.320 --> 01:42:39.320 That's my cartoon dog. 01:42:39.320 --> 01:42:41.320 And I am most happy to answer any questions. 01:42:41.320 --> 01:42:43.320 I did want to introduce Shelly Meeks. 01:42:43.320 --> 01:42:44.320 She's coming up here as well. 01:42:44.320 --> 01:42:46.320 We'll tag team the questions for you. 01:42:46.320 --> 01:42:50.320 She is our animal services manager. 01:42:50.320 --> 01:42:51.320 All right. 01:42:51.320 --> 01:42:52.320 Thank you, Tiffany. 01:42:52.320 --> 01:42:53.320 Questions? 01:42:53.320 --> 01:42:55.320 Start with Suzy. 01:42:55.320 --> 01:43:00.320 Tiffany, so I was at the dog park one night and observed a dog get abandoned, 01:43:00.320 --> 01:43:03.320 and Mindy actually kind of helped me take care of it. 01:43:03.320 --> 01:43:08.320 And I afterwards was wondering if it could have been because of the wait list. 01:43:08.320 --> 01:43:11.320 I was wondering if that person maybe couldn't get the dog in the dog park, 01:43:11.320 --> 01:43:15.320 so he just abandoned it or take it to the animal shelter. 01:43:15.320 --> 01:43:18.320 So I was wondering if he abandoned it at the dog park as a means of getting it 01:43:18.320 --> 01:43:19.320 into the animal shelter. 01:43:19.320 --> 01:43:25.320 So my question is, right now, if you're at capacity and you'll pick up a dog 01:43:25.320 --> 01:43:29.320 that's abandoned or lost or whatever, what do you all do with that dog right now 01:43:29.320 --> 01:43:31.320 when you're at capacity? 01:43:31.320 --> 01:43:34.320 So we find a stranded dog that absolutely comes into the shelter. 01:43:34.320 --> 01:43:35.320 It's not denied. 01:43:35.320 --> 01:43:37.320 We don't say, "Hey, go hang around Bill Avenue." 01:43:37.320 --> 01:43:38.320 We absolutely pick it up. 01:43:38.320 --> 01:43:43.320 We take it to the shelter and take care of that animal. 01:43:43.320 --> 01:43:46.320 Any questions out here? 01:43:46.320 --> 01:43:51.320 Well, mine is not really a question about the facility, except my question is, 01:43:51.320 --> 01:43:57.320 why are the pictures, the materials in our notebooks, so small? 01:43:57.320 --> 01:43:59.320 We can hardly see it. 01:43:59.320 --> 01:44:03.320 And when there's writing there, we can't read what that is. 01:44:03.320 --> 01:44:05.320 It's underneath the pictures. 01:44:05.320 --> 01:44:09.320 Can we have the materials be a little bit larger? 01:44:09.320 --> 01:44:13.320 I think that's some great feedback that we can take into consideration. 01:44:13.320 --> 01:44:14.320 Yeah. 01:44:14.320 --> 01:44:16.320 I think they're trying to put two to page, but I think you're asking for larger 01:44:16.320 --> 01:44:17.320 so you can see the graphics. 01:44:17.320 --> 01:44:18.320 That's helpful. 01:44:18.320 --> 01:44:19.320 Thanks, Lenny. 01:44:19.320 --> 01:44:21.320 Up there. 01:44:21.320 --> 01:44:28.320 So with the proposed $13 million, is that -- I know we planned this last one in 2014, 01:44:28.320 --> 01:44:30.320 '15? 01:44:30.320 --> 01:44:32.320 They did the master plan in 2008. 01:44:32.320 --> 01:44:33.320 Okay. 01:44:33.320 --> 01:44:35.320 How far does this next $13 million get? 01:44:35.320 --> 01:44:37.320 Is that good till 2035? 01:44:37.320 --> 01:44:39.320 It will be an additional 10 years. 01:44:39.320 --> 01:44:40.320 10 years? 01:44:40.320 --> 01:44:41.320 Okay. 01:44:41.320 --> 01:44:43.320 But it is in combination with effective programs. 01:44:43.320 --> 01:44:48.320 For example, the foster program, microchip your animals, 01:44:48.320 --> 01:44:50.320 want to put that plug out there, for that. 01:44:50.320 --> 01:44:53.320 So it's in combination of making sure we have effective programs. 01:44:53.320 --> 01:44:57.320 Like the 44 dogs we have in foster right now, the 164 cats, 01:44:57.320 --> 01:45:00.320 we need to continue to expand on those programs to make sure 01:45:00.320 --> 01:45:03.320 that we can maintain that capacity with the extension. 01:45:03.320 --> 01:45:04.320 Great question. 01:45:04.320 --> 01:45:05.320 Thank you. 01:45:05.320 --> 01:45:07.320 Got a question back here? 01:45:07.320 --> 01:45:08.320 I'll grab it. 01:45:08.320 --> 01:45:10.320 It's Kimmy. 01:45:10.320 --> 01:45:16.320 I was on that board that originally built the animal shelter, 01:45:16.320 --> 01:45:20.320 and I know we were relentless in fundraising, 01:45:20.320 --> 01:45:24.320 and I was wondering if there's still fundraising avenues 01:45:24.320 --> 01:45:29.320 that could help stretch the $13 million that you're asking for. 01:45:29.320 --> 01:45:32.320 I think we absolutely could do that. 01:45:32.320 --> 01:45:35.320 I think one of the reasons why we wanted to put it on the bond, 01:45:35.320 --> 01:45:37.320 because that was always the plan for the shelters, 01:45:37.320 --> 01:45:39.320 is what the expansion is. 01:45:39.320 --> 01:45:43.320 And so this is a great mechanism to put that on the bond, certainly. 01:45:43.320 --> 01:45:47.320 But depending on where this lands, that may be the next option for us, 01:45:47.320 --> 01:45:49.320 because we do need the space. 01:45:49.320 --> 01:45:53.320 And thank you for being on that original committee. 01:45:53.320 --> 01:45:57.320 Another question back here? 01:45:57.320 --> 01:45:59.320 This is similar to what was asked of Gary, 01:45:59.320 --> 01:46:02.320 and maybe with future presentations as well, 01:46:02.320 --> 01:46:06.320 but if we could get a matrix of what you view priorities and the money, 01:46:06.320 --> 01:46:12.320 how you would break apart that $13 million across those, 01:46:12.320 --> 01:46:21.320 it might help us as we make decisions. 01:46:21.320 --> 01:46:30.320 So I was curious if the HVAC is something that's normally covered under the maintenance of the facility, 01:46:30.320 --> 01:46:33.320 so out of a different budget than bonds? 01:46:33.320 --> 01:46:37.320 Well, since if it's not something that we can get covered in the bond, 01:46:37.320 --> 01:46:39.320 it is something that we would have to address. 01:46:39.320 --> 01:46:43.320 Again, we're looking at it as just that operation whole. 01:46:43.320 --> 01:46:47.320 The HVAC system alone is approximately $1 million to address, 01:46:47.320 --> 01:46:52.320 and so that's why the opportunity to put this in the bond was placed in it. 01:46:52.320 --> 01:46:58.320 Any other questions? 01:46:58.320 --> 01:47:04.320 So if you're able to get the $13 million, what would be your capacity for animals? 01:47:04.320 --> 01:47:09.320 We would be able to double it at minimum, hopefully even more once we get the final plans, 01:47:09.320 --> 01:47:13.320 but that's the plan now is to double capacity. 01:47:13.320 --> 01:47:19.320 There's your talking point. 01:47:19.320 --> 01:47:23.320 And then if we have another, we'll do another after that. 01:47:23.320 --> 01:47:28.320 Ever since Betty Sherman realized that this was going to be tonight, 01:47:28.320 --> 01:47:32.320 she's just been blowing up my phone, as you can well imagine. 01:47:32.320 --> 01:47:40.320 And so in here, you say that Denton County animals from outside the city are about 15% of the intake, 01:47:40.320 --> 01:47:45.320 and I know that the county pays something per animal, 01:47:45.320 --> 01:47:50.320 but what are the chances that we could negotiate something with them 01:47:50.320 --> 01:47:59.320 to help also contribute to the building of an expansion, not just per animal, 01:47:59.320 --> 01:48:02.320 because they have no shelter of their own? 01:48:02.320 --> 01:48:06.320 That is correct, and that's absolutely part of the discussion. 01:48:06.320 --> 01:48:10.320 We obviously need to know what we're going to be able to fund in the bond 01:48:10.320 --> 01:48:12.320 and then have those conversations with the county. 01:48:12.320 --> 01:48:19.320 They certainly know what the need is with that, so I agree with you. 01:48:19.320 --> 01:48:20.320 We have one more question. 01:48:20.320 --> 01:48:25.320 Okay, Mindy, then we'll move into small group time. 01:48:25.320 --> 01:48:30.320 My question was about capacity, was just to ask about what it would increase to. 01:48:30.320 --> 01:48:34.320 When we were looking at trends in intake that you're seeing right now, 01:48:34.320 --> 01:48:38.320 whether it's from population growth or economic stressors, 01:48:38.320 --> 01:48:45.320 is the projected expansion based off of what was put together originally big enough 01:48:45.320 --> 01:48:48.320 for what you're seeing the trends in intake? 01:48:48.320 --> 01:48:55.320 There was a fascinating sentence that Shelley and I found in the master plan two days ago, 01:48:55.320 --> 01:49:00.320 and it said the expected growth that's happening right now should not be continuing. 01:49:00.320 --> 01:49:05.320 That's what they anticipated back in 2008, that that was not going to happen. 01:49:05.320 --> 01:49:11.320 I would love to talk to that person and hand them some kittens and cats. 01:49:11.320 --> 01:49:16.320 So they really did think this wasn't -- it was unprecedented, is what they said. 01:49:16.320 --> 01:49:19.320 And so we're definitely experiencing that impact of COVID, too, 01:49:19.320 --> 01:49:22.320 where we saw that strike dip and everybody got their COVID pet, 01:49:22.320 --> 01:49:25.320 and then they were like, we're all going back to work. 01:49:25.320 --> 01:49:27.320 So that's definitely been impactful, too. 01:49:27.320 --> 01:49:29.320 So we're really trying to plan for the future. 01:49:29.320 --> 01:49:33.320 But again, it's in tandem with making sure we have effective programs, too, 01:49:33.320 --> 01:49:37.320 and the community support to say you neuter your animals and microchip them. 01:49:37.320 --> 01:49:42.320 It's definitely a combination thing, because if you build it, they will come. 01:49:42.320 --> 01:49:43.320 All right, awesome. 01:49:43.320 --> 01:49:46.320 Well, let's move into a few minutes of table talk. 01:49:46.320 --> 01:49:49.320 I'll give you guys a minute warning when it's time to wrap, 01:49:49.320 --> 01:49:52.320 but go ahead and have some small group convo. 01:49:59.320 --> 01:50:02.320 [SIDE CONVERSATION] 01:50:29.320 --> 01:50:32.320 [SIDE CONVERSATION] 01:50:59.320 --> 01:51:02.320 (people chattering) 01:51:29.320 --> 01:51:32.320 (people chattering) 01:52:00.320 --> 01:52:03.320 (people chattering) 01:52:29.320 --> 01:52:32.320 (people chattering) 01:52:32.320 --> 01:52:39.320 (people chattering) 01:52:39.320 --> 01:52:55.320 (people chattering) 01:52:55.320 --> 01:52:58.320 (people chattering) 01:53:00.320 --> 01:53:03.320 (people chattering) 01:53:03.320 --> 01:53:07.320 (people chattering) 01:53:07.320 --> 01:53:11.320 (people chattering) 01:53:11.320 --> 01:53:15.320 (people chattering) 01:53:15.320 --> 01:53:19.320 (people chattering) 01:53:19.320 --> 01:53:23.320 (people chattering) 01:53:23.320 --> 01:53:27.320 (people chattering) 01:53:28.320 --> 01:53:31.320 (people chattering) 01:53:31.320 --> 01:53:35.320 (people chattering) 01:53:35.320 --> 01:53:39.320 (people chattering) 01:53:39.320 --> 01:53:43.320 (people chattering) 01:53:43.320 --> 01:53:47.320 (people chattering) 01:53:47.320 --> 01:53:51.320 (people chattering) 01:53:51.320 --> 01:53:55.320 (people chattering) 01:53:56.320 --> 01:53:59.320 (people chattering) 01:53:59.320 --> 01:54:03.320 (people chattering) 01:54:03.320 --> 01:54:05.320 - Let's take about one more minute. 01:54:05.320 --> 01:54:09.320 (people chattering) 01:54:09.320 --> 01:54:13.320 (people chattering) 01:54:13.320 --> 01:54:17.320 (people chattering) 01:54:17.320 --> 01:54:21.320 (people chattering) 01:54:21.320 --> 01:54:25.320 (people chattering) 01:54:26.320 --> 01:54:29.320 (people chattering) 01:54:29.320 --> 01:54:33.320 (people chattering) 01:54:33.320 --> 01:54:38.320 - As you're wrapping up at your table, just a reminder, 01:54:38.320 --> 01:54:41.320 if you got questions you wanna submit via the parking lot, 01:54:41.320 --> 01:54:44.320 QR code that to your phone. 01:54:44.320 --> 01:54:48.320 (people chattering) 01:54:48.320 --> 01:54:52.320 (people chattering) 01:54:53.320 --> 01:54:56.320 (people chattering) 01:54:56.320 --> 01:55:01.320 (people chattering) 01:55:01.320 --> 01:55:05.320 (people chattering) 01:55:05.320 --> 01:55:09.320 (people chattering) 01:55:09.320 --> 01:55:13.320 (people chattering) 01:55:13.320 --> 01:55:17.320 (people chattering) 01:55:17.320 --> 01:55:21.320 (people chattering) 01:55:22.320 --> 01:55:25.320 (people chattering) 01:55:25.320 --> 01:55:29.320 (people chattering) 01:55:29.320 --> 01:55:33.320 (people chattering) 01:55:33.320 --> 01:55:37.320 (people chattering) 01:55:37.320 --> 01:55:41.320 (people chattering) 01:55:41.320 --> 01:55:45.320 (people chattering) 01:55:45.320 --> 01:55:49.320 (people chattering) 01:55:50.320 --> 01:55:53.320 (people chattering) 01:55:53.320 --> 01:55:57.320 (people chattering) 01:55:57.320 --> 01:56:01.320 (people chattering) 01:56:01.320 --> 01:56:05.320 (people chattering) 01:56:05.320 --> 01:56:09.320 (people chattering) 01:56:09.320 --> 01:56:13.320 (people chattering) 01:56:13.320 --> 01:56:17.320 (people chattering) 01:56:18.320 --> 01:56:21.320 (people chattering) 01:56:21.320 --> 01:56:25.320 (people chattering) 01:56:25.320 --> 01:56:29.320 (people chattering) 01:56:29.320 --> 01:56:33.320 (people chattering) 01:56:33.320 --> 01:56:37.320 (people chattering) 01:56:37.320 --> 01:56:41.320 (people chattering) 01:56:41.320 --> 01:56:45.320 (people chattering) 01:56:46.320 --> 01:56:49.320 (people chattering) 01:56:49.320 --> 01:56:53.320 (people chattering) 01:56:53.320 --> 01:56:57.320 (people chattering) 01:56:57.320 --> 01:57:01.320 (people chattering) 01:57:01.320 --> 01:57:05.320 (people chattering) 01:57:05.320 --> 01:57:09.320 (people chattering) 01:57:09.320 --> 01:57:13.320 (people chattering) 01:57:14.320 --> 01:57:17.320 (people chattering) 01:57:17.320 --> 01:57:21.320 (people chattering) 01:57:21.320 --> 01:57:25.320 (people chattering) 01:57:25.320 --> 01:57:29.320 (people chattering) 01:57:29.320 --> 01:57:33.320 (people chattering) 01:57:33.320 --> 01:57:37.320 (people chattering) 01:57:37.320 --> 01:57:41.320 (people chattering) 01:57:42.320 --> 01:57:45.320 (people chattering) 01:57:45.320 --> 01:57:49.320 (people chattering) 01:57:49.320 --> 01:57:53.320 (people chattering) 01:57:53.320 --> 01:57:57.320 (people chattering) 01:57:57.320 --> 01:58:01.320 (people chattering) 01:58:01.320 --> 01:58:05.320 (people chattering) 01:58:05.320 --> 01:58:09.320 (people chattering) 01:58:10.320 --> 01:58:13.320 (people chattering) 01:58:13.320 --> 01:58:17.320 (people chattering) 01:58:17.320 --> 01:58:21.320 (people chattering) 01:58:21.320 --> 01:58:25.320 (people chattering) 01:58:25.320 --> 01:58:29.320 (people chattering) 01:58:29.320 --> 01:58:33.320 (people chattering) 01:58:33.320 --> 01:58:37.320 (people chattering) 01:58:38.320 --> 01:58:41.320 (people chattering) 01:58:41.320 --> 01:58:45.320 (people chattering) 01:58:45.320 --> 01:58:49.320 (people chattering) 01:58:49.320 --> 01:58:53.320 (people chattering) 01:58:53.320 --> 01:58:57.320 (people chattering) 01:58:57.320 --> 01:59:01.320 (people chattering) 01:59:01.320 --> 01:59:05.320 (people chattering) 01:59:06.320 --> 01:59:09.320 (people chattering) 01:59:09.320 --> 01:59:13.320 (people chattering) 01:59:13.320 --> 01:59:15.320 - Good evening, everybody. 01:59:15.320 --> 01:59:16.320 I'm Christine Taylor. 01:59:16.320 --> 01:59:18.320 I'm in the city manager's office. 01:59:18.320 --> 01:59:21.320 And tonight we're gonna talk to you about City Hall West. 01:59:21.320 --> 01:59:25.320 So a couple background things we want to cover 01:59:25.320 --> 01:59:28.320 is the building construction began in 1927. 01:59:28.320 --> 01:59:31.320 It's a Spanish Renaissance revival style. 01:59:31.320 --> 01:59:34.320 It's currently designated a Texas historic landmark 01:59:34.320 --> 01:59:37.320 and in a city of Denton landmark. 01:59:37.320 --> 01:59:41.320 It has approximately 24,600 gross square feet. 01:59:41.320 --> 01:59:44.320 And since 1927 when that construction began 01:59:44.320 --> 01:59:46.320 and in 1931 when we moved in, 01:59:46.320 --> 01:59:49.320 it's been utilized in several different capacities 01:59:49.320 --> 01:59:50.320 for the city. 01:59:50.320 --> 01:59:53.320 And it was last occupied in 2016 01:59:53.320 --> 01:59:56.320 when our development services function was housed 01:59:56.320 --> 01:59:57.320 out of there, our planning department. 01:59:57.320 --> 02:00:00.320 And since then it has been vacant. 02:00:00.320 --> 02:00:03.320 So this slide quickly hits on a couple of different 02:00:03.320 --> 02:00:06.320 of the timeline of those different purposes it served. 02:00:06.320 --> 02:00:10.320 So originally in 1959 was that first kind of renovation 02:00:10.320 --> 02:00:13.320 where the building was a fire station. 02:00:13.320 --> 02:00:16.320 Skip into 1980, then it was a police station 02:00:16.320 --> 02:00:18.320 where we added in the infill 02:00:18.320 --> 02:00:21.320 of what was previously an auditorium. 02:00:21.320 --> 02:00:24.320 1995 is when the planning department occupied that building 02:00:24.320 --> 02:00:27.320 and they were there until 2016. 02:00:27.320 --> 02:00:29.320 So it has been vacant. 02:00:29.320 --> 02:00:31.320 We're gonna talk about in a couple slides forward, 02:00:31.320 --> 02:00:33.320 there was a steering committee 02:00:33.320 --> 02:00:34.320 which made some recommendations. 02:00:34.320 --> 02:00:36.320 And out of that is where you're seeing 02:00:36.320 --> 02:00:39.320 the last kind of construction that happened in the building 02:00:39.320 --> 02:00:42.320 which was to replace the exterior windows. 02:00:42.320 --> 02:00:46.320 And in 2021, since the building was vacant, 02:00:46.320 --> 02:00:48.320 there was a break in a line 02:00:48.320 --> 02:00:51.320 which caused some flooding during winter storm Yuri. 02:00:51.320 --> 02:00:55.320 And so since then they did a remediation in the building. 02:00:55.320 --> 02:01:00.320 So the ADA is only hitting on the outside 02:01:00.320 --> 02:01:04.320 of the perimeter accessibility challenges that they have. 02:01:04.320 --> 02:01:06.320 There were 12 high priority barriers, 02:01:06.320 --> 02:01:10.320 mainly focused on parking and the path of travel. 02:01:10.320 --> 02:01:14.320 Here's a couple of pictures of what happened 02:01:14.320 --> 02:01:17.320 in winter storm Yuri, what that kind of looked like. 02:01:17.320 --> 02:01:19.320 So since the building wasn't occupied, 02:01:19.320 --> 02:01:21.320 that line had bust inside. 02:01:21.320 --> 02:01:24.320 It kind of filled the bottom floor with water 02:01:24.320 --> 02:01:26.320 which then caused some power issues 02:01:26.320 --> 02:01:27.320 which sent off an alarm. 02:01:27.320 --> 02:01:30.320 Facilities responded to that, saw the water. 02:01:30.320 --> 02:01:33.320 And then we've done the emergency abatement 02:01:33.320 --> 02:01:35.320 and kind of the renovation. 02:01:35.320 --> 02:01:37.320 I say all that because we do have it 02:01:37.320 --> 02:01:39.320 on the tour schedule for Saturday. 02:01:39.320 --> 02:01:42.320 So we won't be, you're going into a pretty 02:01:42.320 --> 02:01:44.320 down to the studs type building. 02:01:44.320 --> 02:01:46.320 And there's only a small portion of the building 02:01:46.320 --> 02:01:48.320 that you'll be able to walk through. 02:01:48.320 --> 02:01:51.320 City Hall West is a very interesting building. 02:01:51.320 --> 02:01:53.320 It has several infill floors. 02:01:53.320 --> 02:01:56.320 So we will send out bigger slides 02:01:56.320 --> 02:01:58.320 so you can kind of take a look at what that looks like. 02:01:58.320 --> 02:02:01.320 So we've got the balcony and then an in floor, 02:02:01.320 --> 02:02:03.320 the second floor, another infill floor, 02:02:03.320 --> 02:02:06.320 the ground floor, and then the basement. 02:02:06.320 --> 02:02:08.320 And kind of hitting on what we talked about 02:02:08.320 --> 02:02:11.320 that the tour won't, you won't be able to go up 02:02:11.320 --> 02:02:14.320 to all of those floors or down into the basement. 02:02:14.320 --> 02:02:16.320 We did a video. 02:02:16.320 --> 02:02:17.320 Okay. 02:02:25.320 --> 02:02:27.320 The all electric Mustang Mach-E 02:02:27.320 --> 02:02:30.320 is a complete remix of what an SUV can be. 02:02:30.320 --> 02:02:33.320 The advanced driving system, 02:02:33.320 --> 02:02:36.320 the convenience and room of a sport utility vehicle, 02:02:36.320 --> 02:02:38.320 and the iconic style. 02:02:38.320 --> 02:02:45.320 Since its construction in 1927, 02:02:45.320 --> 02:02:48.320 City Hall West has been home to a variety of city services, 02:02:48.320 --> 02:02:53.320 including city council, fire, police, planning and development, 02:02:53.320 --> 02:02:55.320 and even the Denton Community Theater. 02:02:55.320 --> 02:02:58.320 The building is now in the process of being renovated. 02:02:58.320 --> 02:03:00.320 I recently got to tour the building 02:03:00.320 --> 02:03:03.320 as the restoring architects performed their first site visit. 02:03:03.320 --> 02:03:05.320 I'm Alexis with Arcitexis, 02:03:05.320 --> 02:03:10.320 and we were taking a look at the old City Hall West 02:03:10.320 --> 02:03:14.320 here in Denton, and looking at the two infill floors 02:03:14.320 --> 02:03:18.320 that were put into the original auditorium space. 02:03:18.320 --> 02:03:20.320 Trying to get a better understanding of all the work 02:03:20.320 --> 02:03:24.320 that was done to the buildings in the previous renovations, 02:03:24.320 --> 02:03:28.320 and try to restore some of the community aspects 02:03:28.320 --> 02:03:31.320 that the building once housed before. 02:03:31.320 --> 02:03:34.320 It's just the building is very odd. 02:03:34.320 --> 02:03:36.320 With all the work that's been done to it, 02:03:36.320 --> 02:03:39.320 there's a surprise around every corner. 02:03:39.320 --> 02:03:48.320 Well, what's fun is that now we're seeing the concrete base. 02:03:50.320 --> 02:03:53.320 The skylights were added when the floors were added, 02:03:53.320 --> 02:03:55.320 because they don't have any windows up here. 02:03:55.320 --> 02:03:57.320 So this whole thing was infill, 02:03:57.320 --> 02:03:59.320 so there would have been the three windows 02:03:59.320 --> 02:04:01.320 that we restored recently. 02:04:01.320 --> 02:04:03.320 And you still have the archways, though, for the windows. 02:04:03.320 --> 02:04:04.320 Yeah. 02:04:04.320 --> 02:04:06.320 Yeah, that's nice that those weren't taken out. 02:04:06.320 --> 02:04:08.320 I'm glad that this was kept intact, 02:04:08.320 --> 02:04:11.320 because, you know, once again, this could have been removed. 02:04:11.320 --> 02:04:13.320 I feel like so many of these details were lucky 02:04:13.320 --> 02:04:15.320 that we actually preserved them. 02:04:15.320 --> 02:04:20.320 This was originally the balcony, a portion of the balcony. 02:04:20.320 --> 02:04:22.320 That portion will remain 02:04:22.320 --> 02:04:26.320 and be a part of the future balcony that's restored. 02:04:26.320 --> 02:04:28.320 I was going to say, I'm not going to lie, 02:04:28.320 --> 02:04:31.320 I think that's the haunted bathroom that I was told about. 02:04:31.320 --> 02:04:32.320 Oh, in the bathroom? 02:04:32.320 --> 02:04:34.320 The bathroom. That's the haunted bathroom, I think. 02:04:34.320 --> 02:04:37.320 All the abatement has really helped us, 02:04:37.320 --> 02:04:39.320 because now we can see everything. 02:04:39.320 --> 02:04:41.320 That's true. 02:04:41.320 --> 02:04:45.320 Okay, wait, maybe I get turned around. 02:04:45.320 --> 02:04:46.320 Hi. 02:04:46.320 --> 02:04:48.320 Okay, we're going to go down that side. 02:04:48.320 --> 02:04:53.320 Oh, wow. 02:04:53.320 --> 02:04:55.320 And somebody took the time 02:04:55.320 --> 02:04:57.320 to build this cabinet around it, too. 02:04:57.320 --> 02:04:59.320 Oh, my gosh. 02:04:59.320 --> 02:05:01.320 Do you mind if I go up there? 02:05:01.320 --> 02:05:03.320 I'm going. 02:05:03.320 --> 02:05:06.320 Wow. 02:05:06.320 --> 02:05:08.320 So this is a different landing. 02:05:08.320 --> 02:05:10.320 So we have a different entrance, basically, 02:05:10.320 --> 02:05:13.320 to the original floor before the second floor was added. 02:05:13.320 --> 02:05:16.320 So it's just a landing to nowhere at this point, 02:05:16.320 --> 02:05:18.320 which is pretty fascinating. 02:05:18.320 --> 02:05:21.320 And the fact that they left it in and didn't just remove it. 02:05:21.320 --> 02:05:23.320 Wow. 02:05:23.320 --> 02:05:25.320 We have some FEMA forms. 02:05:25.320 --> 02:05:27.320 Seriously, if there were any ghosts, 02:05:27.320 --> 02:05:29.320 it really would start in here. 02:05:29.320 --> 02:05:35.320 These are beautiful. 02:05:35.320 --> 02:05:36.320 Yeah. 02:05:36.320 --> 02:05:38.320 I didn't even see those when we originally came in. 02:05:38.320 --> 02:05:40.320 This area is really where we see the most 02:05:40.320 --> 02:05:42.320 of what it originally felt like. 02:05:42.320 --> 02:05:44.320 Everything intact, yeah, for the most part. 02:05:44.320 --> 02:05:47.320 And how beautiful the door and the transom is 02:05:47.320 --> 02:05:49.320 and the light fixtures. 02:05:49.320 --> 02:05:58.320 We're excited to see the evidence 02:05:58.320 --> 02:06:01.320 of the previous tile in some of the spaces, too. 02:06:01.320 --> 02:06:04.320 Oh, yeah, that's really neat. 02:06:04.320 --> 02:06:06.320 Well, I'm excited to see what comes next. 02:06:08.320 --> 02:06:10.320 Wow. 02:06:10.320 --> 02:06:16.320 And Cameron, the star of the video, 02:06:16.320 --> 02:06:18.320 our historic preservation officer, is here. 02:06:18.320 --> 02:06:20.320 So when we get to the Q&A portion, 02:06:20.320 --> 02:06:23.320 if there are specific questions about the historical context, 02:06:23.320 --> 02:06:26.320 we'll be here to help answer questions. 02:06:26.320 --> 02:06:30.320 So when staff vacated the building in 2016, 02:06:30.320 --> 02:06:34.320 a steering committee was established in 2017 02:06:34.320 --> 02:06:38.320 to determine what should they do with the building. 02:06:38.320 --> 02:06:40.320 The committee was comprised of three council members 02:06:40.320 --> 02:06:43.320 and 21 citizens, and they had several goals 02:06:43.320 --> 02:06:45.320 that they wanted to achieve through that committee. 02:06:45.320 --> 02:06:47.320 So a couple of high-level ones were to preserve the reuse 02:06:47.320 --> 02:06:49.320 in an appropriate manner, 02:06:49.320 --> 02:06:52.320 rehabilitate the character in the building, 02:06:52.320 --> 02:06:54.320 the character-defining spaces, 02:06:54.320 --> 02:06:58.320 and then convey the civic pride. 02:06:58.320 --> 02:07:01.320 So the outcome of that committee was, in 2018, 02:07:01.320 --> 02:07:03.320 staff presented their final recommendation to council, 02:07:03.320 --> 02:07:06.320 which included that they would like to see it 02:07:06.320 --> 02:07:08.320 as an adaptive restoration of the building 02:07:08.320 --> 02:07:10.320 into a multipurpose arts facility 02:07:10.320 --> 02:07:12.320 with space for rentals 02:07:12.320 --> 02:07:15.320 that had some type of cost recovery component. 02:07:15.320 --> 02:07:17.320 The consensus of council at that time 02:07:17.320 --> 02:07:19.320 was to only proceed with minor changes, 02:07:19.320 --> 02:07:21.320 which the outcome of that was the updating 02:07:21.320 --> 02:07:23.320 of the exterior windows. 02:07:23.320 --> 02:07:26.320 So final building use out of that committee was not determined, 02:07:26.320 --> 02:07:29.320 and funding was not allocated for any restoration. 02:07:29.320 --> 02:07:31.320 So it has remained vacant from that point, 02:07:31.320 --> 02:07:34.320 and nothing has been done other than the remediation 02:07:34.320 --> 02:07:36.320 after winter storm hearing. 02:07:36.320 --> 02:07:38.320 So in January 2022, 02:07:38.320 --> 02:07:41.320 the city entered into a contract with Architectsys. 02:07:41.320 --> 02:07:43.320 That is who you saw in the video. 02:07:43.320 --> 02:07:45.320 They're an architecture firm 02:07:45.320 --> 02:07:47.320 who works with historic preservation. 02:07:47.320 --> 02:07:49.320 And so they went through the building 02:07:49.320 --> 02:07:51.320 and came up with some concepts and designs 02:07:51.320 --> 02:07:53.320 on what could we do with this building. 02:07:53.320 --> 02:07:55.320 So in November of 2022, 02:07:55.320 --> 02:07:57.320 our city council received a work session 02:07:57.320 --> 02:08:00.320 on what the renovation project would look like. 02:08:00.320 --> 02:08:02.320 And after running through the options, 02:08:02.320 --> 02:08:04.320 they provided direction to consider the project 02:08:04.320 --> 02:08:06.320 as part of the bond committee for you all to evaluate 02:08:06.320 --> 02:08:08.320 and consider moving forward. 02:08:08.320 --> 02:08:11.320 So the renovation, we'll talk through kind of each floor, 02:08:11.320 --> 02:08:13.320 but the outcome was it would include 02:08:13.320 --> 02:08:15.320 some type of municipal service office space, 02:08:15.320 --> 02:08:17.320 the restoration of the auditorium, 02:08:17.320 --> 02:08:20.320 which would be a community auditorium that could be used, 02:08:20.320 --> 02:08:23.320 rentable event space on that bottom floor, 02:08:23.320 --> 02:08:26.320 and then a rentable courtyard on the exterior portion. 02:08:26.320 --> 02:08:29.320 So the drawing that you're seeing on the right 02:08:29.320 --> 02:08:34.320 is the ground floor basement on that version of the building 02:08:34.320 --> 02:08:37.320 where you see that would be level A and B. 02:08:37.320 --> 02:08:39.320 So the purpose of this space in purple, 02:08:39.320 --> 02:08:42.320 which would be a multipurpose space 02:08:42.320 --> 02:08:45.320 that could be rentable by anyone in the community. 02:08:45.320 --> 02:08:51.320 And then the portion in red would be the outdoor courtyard. 02:08:51.320 --> 02:08:54.320 And the rest of the floor would be dedicated to support space 02:08:54.320 --> 02:08:57.320 since it is a partial basement. 02:08:57.320 --> 02:09:00.320 So here's some additional information on the outside. 02:09:00.320 --> 02:09:03.320 That yellow portion shows what that exterior courtyard 02:09:03.320 --> 02:09:05.320 could look like. 02:09:05.320 --> 02:09:08.320 They, of course, would have some landscape buffering there. 02:09:08.320 --> 02:09:11.320 And in a future slide, they show some light concepts 02:09:11.320 --> 02:09:14.320 of the fencing or how you could kind of make that private 02:09:14.320 --> 02:09:17.320 so it could be rentable space. 02:09:17.320 --> 02:09:20.320 They recommended exterior improvement 02:09:20.320 --> 02:09:22.320 to the entrance off Elm. 02:09:22.320 --> 02:09:25.320 So right now, you know, there's some parking spaces there, 02:09:25.320 --> 02:09:27.320 so they looked at having where you could pull in 02:09:27.320 --> 02:09:29.320 so there could actually be a drop-off, 02:09:29.320 --> 02:09:32.320 and then a plaza, 02:09:32.320 --> 02:09:37.320 and then working on the accessible access from the comm. 02:09:37.320 --> 02:09:40.320 Again, another slide just showing what that patio courtyard 02:09:40.320 --> 02:09:42.320 could look like. 02:09:42.320 --> 02:09:44.320 Those are some light concepts that architects 02:09:44.320 --> 02:09:47.320 have provided to us. 02:09:47.320 --> 02:09:51.320 So that main entry, which would be level C and D, 02:09:51.320 --> 02:09:54.320 shows that we would be restoring the auditorium, 02:09:54.320 --> 02:09:57.320 which would provide 200 to 230 seats in it. 02:09:57.320 --> 02:10:00.320 Again, could be used for any type of events 02:10:00.320 --> 02:10:02.320 in the community, rentable. 02:10:02.320 --> 02:10:07.320 Not a performance space, but an auditorium for speakers, 02:10:07.320 --> 02:10:10.320 open house meetings, public forums, 02:10:10.320 --> 02:10:13.320 any type of event that someone would like to use it for 02:10:13.320 --> 02:10:15.320 other than performance. 02:10:15.320 --> 02:10:18.320 They would restore the entrance and lobby and stairs 02:10:18.320 --> 02:10:21.320 and kind of keeping with that grand architecture, 02:10:21.320 --> 02:10:24.320 that when it was built in 1927. 02:10:24.320 --> 02:10:27.320 And then the portion in yellow would be the portion 02:10:27.320 --> 02:10:29.320 that we could repurpose into municipal space 02:10:29.320 --> 02:10:31.320 or conference space that could be rentable 02:10:31.320 --> 02:10:34.320 by the community as well. 02:10:34.320 --> 02:10:36.320 So the exterior design includes restoration 02:10:36.320 --> 02:10:38.320 of that grand entrance that we talked about 02:10:38.320 --> 02:10:42.320 with improved approaches, entry courts on each side, 02:10:42.320 --> 02:10:44.320 and then restoration of that grand staircase 02:10:44.320 --> 02:10:47.320 and auditorium and lobby. 02:10:47.320 --> 02:10:50.320 Upper floor E is an additional space 02:10:50.320 --> 02:10:53.320 that could be municipal office space and conference space. 02:10:53.320 --> 02:10:58.320 And then level F in their plans called for restoration 02:10:58.320 --> 02:11:01.320 of that balcony, which you could see in the video 02:11:01.320 --> 02:11:03.320 with additional seating that is counted 02:11:03.320 --> 02:11:05.320 as part of that 200 or 300 seating. 02:11:05.320 --> 02:11:07.320 A projection and sound room 02:11:07.320 --> 02:11:09.320 and connect to the existing auditorium. 02:11:09.320 --> 02:11:12.320 A couple successful examples where communities 02:11:12.320 --> 02:11:15.320 have taken historic buildings and repurposed them. 02:11:15.320 --> 02:11:17.320 This was in Sulphur Springs. 02:11:17.320 --> 02:11:22.320 The post office was turned into their city hall 02:11:22.320 --> 02:11:25.320 and took a prominent location in downtown. 02:11:25.320 --> 02:11:27.320 The Salmon Center for Public Arts 02:11:27.320 --> 02:11:30.320 is probably the closest one we were looking at. 02:11:30.320 --> 02:11:32.320 So it is city owned right now. 02:11:32.320 --> 02:11:34.320 Currently they're using it for multi-use facility, 02:11:34.320 --> 02:11:36.320 public meeting facility, and an event, 02:11:36.320 --> 02:11:39.320 a rentable space for event facility. 02:11:39.320 --> 02:11:41.320 So the proposal that you're seeing, 02:11:41.320 --> 02:11:43.320 considering it's part of the bond program, 02:11:43.320 --> 02:11:46.320 is to renovate the existing building onsite 02:11:46.320 --> 02:11:48.320 at an estimated cost that we had provided to council 02:11:48.320 --> 02:11:52.320 in November timeframe in January was 9.4 million. 02:11:52.320 --> 02:11:55.320 So the major goals of this project would be 02:11:55.320 --> 02:11:59.320 that you have active use of a historic landmark, 02:11:59.320 --> 02:12:02.320 active use of a restored historic auditorium. 02:12:02.320 --> 02:12:05.320 We would restore the grand entrance from the street 02:12:05.320 --> 02:12:07.320 with the improved approach. 02:12:07.320 --> 02:12:09.320 It would provide community and auditorium space 02:12:09.320 --> 02:12:11.320 with the restored balcony. 02:12:11.320 --> 02:12:13.320 It would add additional space for the community 02:12:13.320 --> 02:12:15.320 for events in that courtyard. 02:12:15.320 --> 02:12:18.320 It would add additional municipal office space. 02:12:18.320 --> 02:12:20.320 Based off the space and our space standards, 02:12:20.320 --> 02:12:23.320 we think it could accommodate between 15 and 20 employees. 02:12:23.320 --> 02:12:25.320 And that probably would be our parks 02:12:25.320 --> 02:12:28.320 and recreation departments, since they would manage 02:12:28.320 --> 02:12:31.320 running any type of rental of the facility. 02:12:31.320 --> 02:12:33.320 And then it, of course, would provide additional 02:12:33.320 --> 02:12:36.320 public meeting space. 02:12:36.320 --> 02:12:38.320 That is it. 02:12:38.320 --> 02:12:40.320 - Thank you, Christine. 02:12:40.320 --> 02:12:43.320 What questions do you have of Christine? 02:12:43.320 --> 02:12:46.320 - This is Cameron. 02:12:46.320 --> 02:12:49.320 - Or our historic officer. 02:12:49.320 --> 02:12:52.320 - Could you speak to the need on how you are projecting 02:12:52.320 --> 02:12:55.320 that uptake of usage in the rental space? 02:12:55.320 --> 02:12:59.320 In other words, how are you estimating the demand 02:12:59.320 --> 02:13:02.320 if this renovation was to go through 02:13:02.320 --> 02:13:04.320 how often it might be used or what types of events 02:13:04.320 --> 02:13:09.320 might take place there and basically just the cost 02:13:09.320 --> 02:13:11.320 recovery aspect of this project? 02:13:11.320 --> 02:13:13.320 I'm just a little curious on if you could 02:13:13.320 --> 02:13:15.320 provide more detail, please. 02:13:15.320 --> 02:13:19.320 - The cost recovery came out of the steering committee 02:13:19.320 --> 02:13:21.320 by saying, hey, this is what we would like to see 02:13:21.320 --> 02:13:23.320 out of this. 02:13:23.320 --> 02:13:25.320 When we brought this forward to council, 02:13:25.320 --> 02:13:28.320 architects said the first thing that we took forward was, 02:13:28.320 --> 02:13:30.320 what do you want to do with the building? 02:13:30.320 --> 02:13:35.320 We still have them retained on what the programming 02:13:35.320 --> 02:13:37.320 services could be utilized out. 02:13:37.320 --> 02:13:39.320 And that's where the cost component came from. 02:13:39.320 --> 02:13:42.320 As far as the building use, they took into account the goals 02:13:42.320 --> 02:13:45.320 from the steering committee, which is defined, 02:13:45.320 --> 02:13:48.320 what do we have existing, which is that auditorium space, 02:13:48.320 --> 02:13:51.320 and then the demand to provide additional rentable space 02:13:51.320 --> 02:13:54.320 for community events or any type of performing arts 02:13:54.320 --> 02:13:57.320 with the original one out of 2017. 02:13:57.320 --> 02:14:01.320 So architects provided us the potential use for that space 02:14:01.320 --> 02:14:03.320 based off steering committee feedback, 02:14:03.320 --> 02:14:05.320 and then they did additional public input 02:14:05.320 --> 02:14:10.320 as they were working through the programming of the facility. 02:14:10.320 --> 02:14:13.320 - With already such limited parking downtown, 02:14:13.320 --> 02:14:16.320 if we are going to have an event that really would hold 02:14:16.320 --> 02:14:18.320 200 people, like you're predicting here, 02:14:18.320 --> 02:14:21.320 what are your thoughts on where everyone would park their car? 02:14:21.320 --> 02:14:24.320 - The city is currently undergoing a parking assessment 02:14:24.320 --> 02:14:27.320 because it's a challenge beyond the use of this building 02:14:27.320 --> 02:14:29.320 just downtown in general. 02:14:29.320 --> 02:14:32.320 So that's something that we are working to look 02:14:32.320 --> 02:14:33.320 at the entire downtown. 02:14:33.320 --> 02:14:35.320 So we have two things going right now. 02:14:35.320 --> 02:14:37.320 The downtown master plan, which they're working through, 02:14:37.320 --> 02:14:40.320 getting a consultant for that, which will look at parking, 02:14:40.320 --> 02:14:42.320 and then we're doing an actual parking assessment 02:14:42.320 --> 02:14:45.320 of the downtown, and what do we need to accommodate 02:14:45.320 --> 02:14:49.320 everything going on in the square and that general proximity 02:14:49.320 --> 02:14:51.320 for any event that's going on. 02:14:51.320 --> 02:14:58.320 - Do you feel that we are fulfilling a need 02:14:58.320 --> 02:15:02.320 for additional public meeting space in some of those items, 02:15:02.320 --> 02:15:05.320 or are we trying to find a purpose for the building 02:15:05.320 --> 02:15:06.320 to do those things? 02:15:06.320 --> 02:15:14.320 - I think the main goal of it was to have the building occupied, 02:15:14.320 --> 02:15:17.320 have a historic building, have a use 02:15:17.320 --> 02:15:19.320 that the community can utilize. 02:15:19.320 --> 02:15:20.320 Right now it's sitting vacant. 02:15:20.320 --> 02:15:23.320 I don't think the main goal of it is meeting space. 02:15:23.320 --> 02:15:26.320 It's to preserve a historic building. 02:15:26.320 --> 02:15:28.320 Cameron's saying yes. 02:15:28.320 --> 02:15:30.320 So to preserve the building and to, again, 02:15:30.320 --> 02:15:32.320 get some life in it that the community can use it, 02:15:32.320 --> 02:15:34.320 versus it sitting there vacant. 02:15:34.320 --> 02:15:37.320 - Go ahead. 02:15:37.320 --> 02:15:39.320 You've got a couple questions up there. 02:15:39.320 --> 02:15:42.320 - So did I hear right when you said 02:15:42.320 --> 02:15:45.320 there would be no performances on the stage, 02:15:45.320 --> 02:15:47.320 and what was your logic on that? 02:15:47.320 --> 02:15:50.320 - We brought forward two uses. 02:15:50.320 --> 02:15:53.320 So we did propose it could be some type of performance space, 02:15:53.320 --> 02:15:56.320 but out of it, the outcome when we spoke to council 02:15:56.320 --> 02:15:59.320 about potential uses were that we would use it 02:15:59.320 --> 02:16:01.320 for municipal office space and then just be 02:16:01.320 --> 02:16:02.320 a community auditorium. 02:16:02.320 --> 02:16:07.320 It's not based on anything with the design of the building. 02:16:07.320 --> 02:16:10.320 It was just the use that we determined to go forward with. 02:16:10.320 --> 02:16:15.320 - Does the bond committee get any input in that? 02:16:15.320 --> 02:16:16.320 - Yes. 02:16:16.320 --> 02:16:18.320 Of course. 02:16:18.320 --> 02:16:19.320 Yeah. 02:16:19.320 --> 02:16:22.320 - And so we were talking about it being rented out, 02:16:22.320 --> 02:16:25.320 was a kitchen or some kind of area 02:16:25.320 --> 02:16:27.320 for food service included in the-- 02:16:27.320 --> 02:16:30.320 - Correct. - Correct on that bottom floor. 02:16:30.320 --> 02:16:36.320 That purple space is a multipurpose space, 02:16:36.320 --> 02:16:37.320 indoor event space. 02:16:37.320 --> 02:16:38.320 They did program in. 02:16:38.320 --> 02:16:40.320 There is some type of kitchen. 02:16:40.320 --> 02:16:44.320 So if anyone was wanting to hold a wedding reception 02:16:44.320 --> 02:16:46.320 or a smaller formal event, 02:16:46.320 --> 02:16:48.320 there is facilities for catering. 02:16:48.320 --> 02:16:51.320 - Thank you. 02:16:51.320 --> 02:16:55.320 - Just a note on that too. 02:16:55.320 --> 02:16:57.320 I want you thinking, all of us need to be thinking 02:16:57.320 --> 02:16:58.320 along that way. 02:16:58.320 --> 02:17:01.320 Council has come up with, they want us to come together 02:17:01.320 --> 02:17:02.320 and advise them. 02:17:02.320 --> 02:17:05.320 And so I was on city council. 02:17:05.320 --> 02:17:07.320 We're not the smartest people in Denton. 02:17:07.320 --> 02:17:10.320 And they've gathered the smartest people in Denton here 02:17:10.320 --> 02:17:13.320 to be able to advise them on what we think's best 02:17:13.320 --> 02:17:14.320 for the community. 02:17:14.320 --> 02:17:17.320 So keep that brainstorming alive so that as we forward 02:17:17.320 --> 02:17:20.320 those recommendations, we can provide that to the council. 02:17:22.320 --> 02:17:25.320 - So my understanding is that there was an auditorium there. 02:17:25.320 --> 02:17:30.320 So is the plan to restore the facility 02:17:30.320 --> 02:17:34.320 where you have an auditorium with a projection system 02:17:34.320 --> 02:17:37.320 for the main floor and the balcony? 02:17:37.320 --> 02:17:38.320 - Correct. 02:17:38.320 --> 02:17:39.320 - Okay. 02:17:39.320 --> 02:17:40.320 Thank you. 02:17:40.320 --> 02:17:45.320 - All right. 02:17:45.320 --> 02:17:47.320 I'll go here and then grab her. 02:17:49.320 --> 02:17:52.320 - Come back to me 'cause I just blanked out. 02:17:52.320 --> 02:17:54.320 - Always happens after eight o'clock. 02:17:54.320 --> 02:17:55.320 That's what happens. 02:17:55.320 --> 02:17:57.320 - Yes, I don't want. 02:17:57.320 --> 02:18:00.320 - So there was the discussion of it being 02:18:00.320 --> 02:18:02.320 like revenue generating facility. 02:18:02.320 --> 02:18:05.320 Is the intent that it would be like a profitable investment 02:18:05.320 --> 02:18:09.320 or that it would recoup 50% of the investment or 30%? 02:18:09.320 --> 02:18:10.320 What's kind of the target there? 02:18:10.320 --> 02:18:15.320 And with the comparable successful project, 02:18:15.320 --> 02:18:19.320 what was their kind of revenue generating like? 02:18:19.320 --> 02:18:22.320 - So when we retained architects as part of that 02:18:22.320 --> 02:18:26.320 was to come in and do programming, program planning, 02:18:26.320 --> 02:18:29.320 which would look at that cost recovery component. 02:18:29.320 --> 02:18:32.320 With this type of rental facility, 02:18:32.320 --> 02:18:34.320 it would not ever be a full cost recovery. 02:18:34.320 --> 02:18:38.320 We did, I believe in 2019, I thought I had it on the slide. 02:18:38.320 --> 02:18:41.320 We did a request for information out to see 02:18:41.320 --> 02:18:43.320 if there was anyone interested in coming in 02:18:43.320 --> 02:18:45.320 and running that. 02:18:45.320 --> 02:18:47.320 There was only one response 02:18:47.320 --> 02:18:51.320 and they didn't see how they could make it successful 02:18:51.320 --> 02:18:54.320 'cause we did talk about there is the opportunity 02:18:54.320 --> 02:18:57.320 if someone came in to use historic tax credits 02:18:57.320 --> 02:18:59.320 to restore the building, 02:18:59.320 --> 02:19:03.320 but there wasn't any interest to move that one forward. 02:19:03.320 --> 02:19:08.320 - I've got a question right here. 02:19:08.320 --> 02:19:11.320 It's kind of two pronged. 02:19:11.320 --> 02:19:16.320 I've sat in on that discussion with architects before. 02:19:16.320 --> 02:19:19.320 It seemed like there was some discussion in the past 02:19:19.320 --> 02:19:24.320 about there perhaps being a public-private partnership 02:19:24.320 --> 02:19:26.320 in the development of this space 02:19:26.320 --> 02:19:30.320 and what that might look like as far as what the public, 02:19:30.320 --> 02:19:35.320 excuse me, what the private might pitch in to the project 02:19:35.320 --> 02:19:36.320 and how that might work. 02:19:36.320 --> 02:19:39.320 And additionally, along that lines, 02:19:39.320 --> 02:19:44.320 has the city looked at what the value 02:19:44.320 --> 02:19:46.320 of that building and land is, 02:19:46.320 --> 02:19:50.320 what that might look like if the city, 02:19:50.320 --> 02:19:52.320 maybe there's no funding. 02:19:52.320 --> 02:19:53.320 I'm just throwing this out there. 02:19:53.320 --> 02:19:54.320 Please don't bash me. 02:19:54.320 --> 02:19:58.320 I was being not sentimental about 1920s architecture, 02:19:58.320 --> 02:20:01.320 but has there been discussion about 02:20:01.320 --> 02:20:02.320 what's the value of that building 02:20:02.320 --> 02:20:04.320 and if the city were to sell that, 02:20:04.320 --> 02:20:08.320 is there an appetite for somebody to fully make it private 02:20:08.320 --> 02:20:10.320 and to redevelop that? 02:20:10.320 --> 02:20:13.320 - Hey, I need to send in the follow-up information 02:20:13.320 --> 02:20:16.320 and specifics of what they recommended, 02:20:16.320 --> 02:20:18.320 but we did put out a request for information 02:20:18.320 --> 02:20:20.320 to see if there was any interest 02:20:20.320 --> 02:20:23.320 'cause do they need to own it for the historic tax credits? 02:20:23.320 --> 02:20:26.320 Yeah, so we did put that out there to see 02:20:26.320 --> 02:20:28.320 is there interest for someone to purchase a building 02:20:28.320 --> 02:20:31.320 and then they could use historic tax credits 02:20:31.320 --> 02:20:34.320 to try and make it into a profitable model. 02:20:34.320 --> 02:20:36.320 We had one response to that 02:20:36.320 --> 02:20:39.320 and then they decided not to move forward. 02:20:39.320 --> 02:20:40.320 But I think there's follow-up information. 02:20:40.320 --> 02:20:42.320 To this point, my understanding is 02:20:42.320 --> 02:20:43.320 out of the outcome of the committee 02:20:43.320 --> 02:20:45.320 and our conversations with council, 02:20:45.320 --> 02:20:46.320 there's never been any discussion 02:20:46.320 --> 02:20:49.320 of removing the building or valuing the site, 02:20:49.320 --> 02:20:51.320 so I don't have that information. 02:20:51.320 --> 02:20:54.320 I'm sure we can look at what the value is right now 02:20:54.320 --> 02:20:57.320 and provide that, but that's not been an option 02:20:57.320 --> 02:20:58.320 they've considered to date. 02:20:58.320 --> 02:21:00.320 - And then discussion in comments 02:21:00.320 --> 02:21:02.320 about a public-independent partnership. 02:21:02.320 --> 02:21:04.320 - That's what I think we'll, oh. 02:21:04.320 --> 02:21:07.320 That was what the RFI aimed to see. 02:21:07.320 --> 02:21:10.320 Is there any interest to do some type 02:21:10.320 --> 02:21:14.320 of public-private partnership and the responses were low? 02:21:14.320 --> 02:21:16.320 So which is where we shifted to, 02:21:16.320 --> 02:21:18.320 we'll turn it into a space that could be rentable, 02:21:18.320 --> 02:21:22.320 but it wouldn't be a cost recovery, 100% cost recovery. 02:21:22.320 --> 02:21:28.320 - While I was on that contentious committee, 02:21:28.320 --> 02:21:30.320 we fought about everything, 02:21:30.320 --> 02:21:33.320 but we didn't fight about the point 02:21:33.320 --> 02:21:36.320 that we felt that the city should restore the building, 02:21:36.320 --> 02:21:41.320 and architects came up with some wonderful ideas 02:21:41.320 --> 02:21:43.320 because they are the premier, 02:21:43.320 --> 02:21:47.320 they restored our courthouse correctly. 02:21:47.320 --> 02:21:50.320 But as far as no performances, 02:21:50.320 --> 02:21:55.320 that was never discussed because one of the things 02:21:55.320 --> 02:21:59.320 that we talked about was that there are a lot of festivals 02:21:59.320 --> 02:22:02.320 that come here that could use that auditorium space. 02:22:02.320 --> 02:22:07.320 We have our storytelling festival in the civic center. 02:22:07.320 --> 02:22:08.320 - I might have said that before. 02:22:08.320 --> 02:22:10.320 When I'm saying performance space, 02:22:10.320 --> 02:22:13.320 it's like renting it out for a full play for several weeks 02:22:13.320 --> 02:22:15.320 where no one has to be able to use it. 02:22:15.320 --> 02:22:17.320 Fully intend that someone could rent it 02:22:17.320 --> 02:22:21.320 for like the arts and jazz festival. 02:22:21.320 --> 02:22:23.320 Yeah, a recital, yes. 02:22:23.320 --> 02:22:27.320 - But we always envisioned having the ability 02:22:27.320 --> 02:22:30.320 to have another performance space in the city, 02:22:30.320 --> 02:22:32.320 which is desperately needed. 02:22:32.320 --> 02:22:34.320 - Yeah, community auditorium, 02:22:34.320 --> 02:22:36.320 so I'm not the expert on that. 02:22:36.320 --> 02:22:38.320 I might be using the incorrect language, 02:22:38.320 --> 02:22:39.320 so we can provide an update on that. 02:22:39.320 --> 02:22:41.320 But certainly any group wanting to use it 02:22:41.320 --> 02:22:43.320 for a recital, for a music event, 02:22:43.320 --> 02:22:46.320 is certainly what the purpose is intended for. 02:22:46.320 --> 02:22:50.320 - I actually performed on that stage in 1973. 02:22:50.320 --> 02:22:53.320 (audience laughing) 02:22:57.320 --> 02:23:00.320 - Yes, as a part of that assessment, 02:23:00.320 --> 02:23:03.320 did they look at the roofing, the plumbing? 02:23:03.320 --> 02:23:06.320 Because you did say that they had, 02:23:06.320 --> 02:23:08.320 the last time I was occupied, 02:23:08.320 --> 02:23:10.320 that's when the storm came, 02:23:10.320 --> 02:23:12.320 and I know as a homeowner and stuff, 02:23:12.320 --> 02:23:14.320 I moved into an older home. 02:23:14.320 --> 02:23:15.320 Luckily, the guy took care of it, 02:23:15.320 --> 02:23:17.320 but I've been in there a year and a half, 02:23:17.320 --> 02:23:21.320 and I had a problem with roofing, plumbing, and windows. 02:23:21.320 --> 02:23:24.320 - May call Tom Kramer out to answer that, 02:23:24.320 --> 02:23:27.320 but since the building was unoccupied, 02:23:27.320 --> 02:23:30.320 we did not do the facility condition assessment. 02:23:30.320 --> 02:23:33.320 Tom, come up here and answer that. 02:23:33.320 --> 02:23:36.320 There's not anything in the building to assess, 02:23:36.320 --> 02:23:39.320 but he can speak to the roof and the structure. 02:23:39.320 --> 02:23:42.320 - Yeah, so as Christine mentioned, 02:23:42.320 --> 02:23:44.320 this is a non-occupiable building 02:23:44.320 --> 02:23:46.320 because from the facility's condition assessment, 02:23:46.320 --> 02:23:48.320 there is nothing to measure against. 02:23:48.320 --> 02:23:50.320 So it is currently at 100%, 02:23:50.320 --> 02:23:52.320 which means that we need to have a major investment 02:23:52.320 --> 02:23:54.320 into this building to keep it occupiable. 02:23:54.320 --> 02:23:59.320 We did do some assessments internally on the structure itself. 02:23:59.320 --> 02:24:01.320 That's why this building doesn't need to be tore down, 02:24:01.320 --> 02:24:03.320 because it's structurally sound, 02:24:03.320 --> 02:24:06.320 but all the internal components are either destroyed, 02:24:06.320 --> 02:24:09.320 moved, gone, or unusable in the future. 02:24:09.320 --> 02:24:14.320 - And I will mention that the windows were replaced recently. 02:24:14.320 --> 02:24:16.320 They did go through the Historic Landmark Commission, 02:24:16.320 --> 02:24:19.320 I believe, in 2019 or 2020, 02:24:19.320 --> 02:24:20.320 and those have all been replaced, 02:24:20.320 --> 02:24:22.320 and those aren't going to go. 02:24:22.320 --> 02:24:28.320 - Could you speak to any information available? 02:24:28.320 --> 02:24:30.320 I swear I'm holding that right. 02:24:30.320 --> 02:24:36.320 Could you talk to us about the 200 to 230 seating capacity 02:24:36.320 --> 02:24:38.320 and how that kind of stacks up against 02:24:38.320 --> 02:24:42.320 current city hall, campus theater, 02:24:42.320 --> 02:24:44.320 middle school auditorium, 02:24:44.320 --> 02:24:46.320 some other things in the immediate area 02:24:46.320 --> 02:24:49.320 that can be used for performances or meetings 02:24:49.320 --> 02:24:51.320 and that kind of stuff? 02:24:51.320 --> 02:24:55.320 And then could you talk to us a little bit about 02:24:55.320 --> 02:24:57.320 the limitations of the space for something 02:24:57.320 --> 02:24:59.320 like a full-blown play? 02:24:59.320 --> 02:25:01.320 You know, dressing rooms and wing spaces 02:25:01.320 --> 02:25:03.320 and all that kind of stuff? 02:25:03.320 --> 02:25:06.320 - I think we'll need to follow up on what the capacity is 02:25:06.320 --> 02:25:08.320 at some of the other theaters. 02:25:08.320 --> 02:25:11.320 I know at City Hall I think we're around 140 02:25:11.320 --> 02:25:13.320 at capacity in the council chamber, 02:25:13.320 --> 02:25:15.320 and that was full like last night, 02:25:15.320 --> 02:25:18.320 and you know, people can't come in. 02:25:18.320 --> 02:25:20.320 So it is definitely a larger space 02:25:20.320 --> 02:25:23.320 that could be utilized for larger events. 02:25:23.320 --> 02:25:25.320 And you're correct, and I think that's where 02:25:25.320 --> 02:25:27.320 I might have been mixing words on the performance space. 02:25:27.320 --> 02:25:30.320 The limitations are the storing of props, 02:25:30.320 --> 02:25:32.320 equipment, and dressing rooms. 02:25:32.320 --> 02:25:35.320 So any type of music event that wants to come in 02:25:35.320 --> 02:25:38.320 and do a show recital, that's a great place for it. 02:25:38.320 --> 02:25:41.320 But if there are major props, rehearsal space, 02:25:41.320 --> 02:25:44.320 dressing rooms, that would be a limitation. 02:25:46.320 --> 02:25:48.320 - Campus is $399.99. 02:25:48.320 --> 02:25:58.320 - All right, one more question that we got. 02:25:58.320 --> 02:26:00.320 If we don't, we can go to table talk. 02:26:00.320 --> 02:26:01.320 Kim. 02:26:01.320 --> 02:26:03.320 - Hopefully this will be a quick one. 02:26:03.320 --> 02:26:05.320 What have you guys looked at in terms 02:26:05.320 --> 02:26:06.320 of other funding sources? 02:26:06.320 --> 02:26:08.320 This is a state landmark building. 02:26:08.320 --> 02:26:10.320 Do we have options with public ownership 02:26:10.320 --> 02:26:12.320 to have any matching funds? 02:26:12.320 --> 02:26:17.320 - So, yes. 02:26:17.320 --> 02:26:18.320 - There we go. 02:26:18.320 --> 02:26:19.320 That might be easier. 02:26:19.320 --> 02:26:21.320 I'm just gonna mess that up. 02:26:21.320 --> 02:26:25.320 So there are other forms of funding involved, 02:26:25.320 --> 02:26:28.320 but the city could not be the owner of the property. 02:26:28.320 --> 02:26:31.320 So it would have to be owned by a nonprofit. 02:26:31.320 --> 02:26:34.320 It would have to be used for commercial uses. 02:26:34.320 --> 02:26:39.320 They just got rid of universities, 02:26:39.320 --> 02:26:41.320 so institutions that has been removed 02:26:41.320 --> 02:26:43.320 from tax incentives. 02:26:43.320 --> 02:26:45.320 So it would have to be a commercial use purpose, 02:26:45.320 --> 02:26:47.320 or it would have to be a nonprofit. 02:26:47.320 --> 02:26:49.320 So that's kind of where we're having the issue right now 02:26:49.320 --> 02:26:52.320 in terms of finding other funding 02:26:52.320 --> 02:26:54.320 at the state and national level, 02:26:54.320 --> 02:26:56.320 is that the city does own the property. 02:26:56.320 --> 02:27:01.320 - All right, let's jump into some, 02:27:01.320 --> 02:27:03.320 a few minutes of table talk. 02:27:03.320 --> 02:27:05.320 Get those juices flowing, 02:27:05.320 --> 02:27:07.320 and then we're gonna finish this thing up 02:27:07.320 --> 02:27:08.320 with a final round of comments, 02:27:08.320 --> 02:27:10.320 and we'll close tonight. 02:27:10.320 --> 02:27:11.320 Thanks. 02:27:40.320 --> 02:27:43.320 (people chattering) 02:28:11.320 --> 02:28:14.320 (people chattering) 02:28:40.320 --> 02:28:43.320 - Just from looking at the other question. 02:28:43.320 --> 02:28:46.320 (people chattering) 02:29:08.320 --> 02:29:11.320 (people chattering) 02:29:38.320 --> 02:29:41.320 (people chattering) 02:30:08.320 --> 02:30:11.320 (people chattering) 02:30:38.320 --> 02:30:41.320 (people chattering) 02:30:41.320 --> 02:31:07.320 - Let's spend about another minute 02:31:07.320 --> 02:31:09.320 wrapping up our conversation. 02:31:09.320 --> 02:31:12.320 (people chattering) 02:31:12.320 --> 02:31:25.320 (people chattering) 02:31:37.320 --> 02:31:40.320 (people chattering) 02:31:40.320 --> 02:31:43.320 (people chattering) 02:31:43.320 --> 02:31:54.320 (people chattering) 02:32:07.320 --> 02:32:10.320 (people chattering) 02:32:10.320 --> 02:32:25.320 (people chattering) 02:32:38.320 --> 02:32:40.320 - All right, let's start wrapping up 02:32:40.320 --> 02:32:42.320 the conversation at the tables. 02:32:42.320 --> 02:32:45.320 (people chattering) 02:32:45.320 --> 02:32:52.320 And before we jump into this final comment section, 02:32:52.320 --> 02:32:54.320 Peggy Capps has agreed to do a reprise 02:32:54.320 --> 02:32:56.320 of her role of Sweet Adeline 02:32:56.320 --> 02:32:58.320 (people laughing) 02:32:58.320 --> 02:33:00.320 back at that 1973. 02:33:00.320 --> 02:33:02.320 So if you could hand her a microphone. 02:33:02.320 --> 02:33:03.320 (people chattering) 02:33:03.320 --> 02:33:05.320 Okay, we'll do that next week. 02:33:05.320 --> 02:33:07.320 So what questions do we have? 02:33:07.320 --> 02:33:09.320 Or not questions, comments, discussion. 02:33:09.320 --> 02:33:13.320 This was a very robust Q&A and table conversation. 02:33:13.320 --> 02:33:16.320 So I imagine there's a lot of thoughts on this. 02:33:16.320 --> 02:33:17.320 Anything? 02:33:17.320 --> 02:33:19.320 (people chattering) 02:33:19.320 --> 02:33:21.320 - Just something to consider. 02:33:21.320 --> 02:33:23.320 How much are we paying right now 02:33:23.320 --> 02:33:27.320 to keep it maintained and afloat completely vacant? 02:33:27.320 --> 02:33:31.320 - Tom's coming up. 02:33:31.320 --> 02:33:34.320 But so any maintenance on it right now 02:33:34.320 --> 02:33:36.320 is just part of our normal operating budget. 02:33:36.320 --> 02:33:37.320 And with it being stripped, 02:33:37.320 --> 02:33:40.320 there's only minimal maintenance to it. 02:33:40.320 --> 02:33:43.320 We're probably walking the building once a month, 02:33:43.320 --> 02:33:45.320 once a quarter. 02:33:45.320 --> 02:33:47.320 - Yeah, we try to do once a quarter, 02:33:47.320 --> 02:33:48.320 walk through the buildings. 02:33:48.320 --> 02:33:51.320 If you remember from the condition assessment, 02:33:51.320 --> 02:33:55.320 at the point where any money we put into this is lost, right? 02:33:55.320 --> 02:33:56.320 So even if we keep it vacant, 02:33:56.320 --> 02:33:57.320 we're still required to go 02:33:57.320 --> 02:33:59.320 and make sure the window caulk is good. 02:33:59.320 --> 02:34:00.320 The roof still stays intact. 02:34:00.320 --> 02:34:03.320 We're not breaking other plumbing fixtures 02:34:03.320 --> 02:34:05.320 in the wintertime, 02:34:05.320 --> 02:34:07.320 running the little bit of lights that are there 02:34:07.320 --> 02:34:08.320 and then the outside chillers. 02:34:08.320 --> 02:34:10.320 So any of that money being invested in that building 02:34:10.320 --> 02:34:12.320 while we keep it vacant is just lost. 02:34:12.320 --> 02:34:13.320 We'll never return it. 02:34:13.320 --> 02:34:15.320 And if we do put any money into it 02:34:15.320 --> 02:34:17.320 to make it minimally operational, 02:34:17.320 --> 02:34:19.320 the minute that we do a full overhaul, 02:34:19.320 --> 02:34:20.320 that money there is also wasted 02:34:20.320 --> 02:34:22.320 as an investment to this building. 02:34:22.320 --> 02:34:30.320 - We were talking in our table. 02:34:30.320 --> 02:34:32.320 Is there any way to gauge the economic impact 02:34:32.320 --> 02:34:35.320 of having like a landmark staple building 02:34:35.320 --> 02:34:37.320 for an event or something 02:34:37.320 --> 02:34:40.320 and how that impacts the other local businesses around 02:34:40.320 --> 02:34:42.320 so people are going to a restaurant doing this 02:34:42.320 --> 02:34:44.320 and all these other things 02:34:44.320 --> 02:34:46.320 'cause they were drawn to that space? 02:34:46.320 --> 02:34:49.320 Do we have anything that could help support that? 02:34:49.320 --> 02:34:51.320 - Yes, and we can provide that in a follow-up. 02:34:51.320 --> 02:34:53.320 Wayne, our economic development director, 02:34:53.320 --> 02:34:57.320 has given us previously, if the building's occupied, 02:34:57.320 --> 02:34:59.320 this is what the economic impact is. 02:34:59.320 --> 02:35:01.320 Because again, if we have people in there's office space, 02:35:01.320 --> 02:35:03.320 they're gonna walk to the square, 02:35:03.320 --> 02:35:05.320 they're gonna eat lunch there. 02:35:05.320 --> 02:35:07.320 So he definitely has some models 02:35:07.320 --> 02:35:09.320 that kind of show an economic impact. 02:35:09.320 --> 02:35:11.320 So we'll follow up and provide that 02:35:11.320 --> 02:35:12.320 in the parking lot questions. 02:35:12.320 --> 02:35:13.320 Good question. 02:35:13.320 --> 02:35:24.320 - Christine, you mentioned parking study. 02:35:24.320 --> 02:35:28.320 - Apparently don't hold the bottom. 02:35:28.320 --> 02:35:30.320 - There we go. 02:35:30.320 --> 02:35:31.320 - You mentioned parking study. 02:35:31.320 --> 02:35:34.320 What's the timing though of more parking coming online 02:35:34.320 --> 02:35:37.320 vis-a-vis this coming online? 02:35:37.320 --> 02:35:41.320 - There wouldn't be any additional parking coming online. 02:35:41.320 --> 02:35:43.320 Right now the parking for the building 02:35:43.320 --> 02:35:46.320 is the public parking lot behind the building. 02:35:46.320 --> 02:35:50.320 The lot, this parking lot would be considered 02:35:50.320 --> 02:35:52.320 close enough proximity if there was an event. 02:35:52.320 --> 02:35:55.320 So there wouldn't be any additional parking 02:35:55.320 --> 02:35:57.320 proposed with this building, 02:35:57.320 --> 02:35:59.320 and there's not any additional public parking 02:35:59.320 --> 02:36:02.320 being proposed in this downtown area. 02:36:02.320 --> 02:36:04.320 Again, the two things that are gonna kind of help us guide 02:36:04.320 --> 02:36:07.320 what our need is, is that parking assessment 02:36:07.320 --> 02:36:09.320 and then the downtown master plan. 02:36:09.320 --> 02:36:11.320 - I would just point out that 02:36:11.320 --> 02:36:13.320 whenever there's an event downtown, 02:36:13.320 --> 02:36:17.320 that parking that's in existence is full. 02:36:17.320 --> 02:36:23.320 - Even when there's not an event. 02:36:23.320 --> 02:36:27.320 - So kind of a two part question, 02:36:27.320 --> 02:36:29.320 but I'd like to hear from other people in the room. 02:36:29.320 --> 02:36:32.320 I get a sense from the folks who are involved. 02:36:32.320 --> 02:36:33.320 There are lots of people volunteering numbers 02:36:33.320 --> 02:36:35.320 from campus theater. 02:36:35.320 --> 02:36:40.320 In our festival community and in the existing facilities, 02:36:40.320 --> 02:36:44.320 kind of the extent to which those are booked up, 02:36:44.320 --> 02:36:46.320 the availability of those, the need for more space 02:36:46.320 --> 02:36:49.320 from a community standpoint, spaces like this, 02:36:49.320 --> 02:36:51.320 but then also from the city, 02:36:51.320 --> 02:36:53.320 like what kind of meetings is the city having? 02:36:53.320 --> 02:36:55.320 What kind of public hearings is the city having 02:36:55.320 --> 02:36:57.320 that could be somewhere else? 02:36:57.320 --> 02:36:59.320 I know we use this room a lot 02:36:59.320 --> 02:37:01.320 because it's the biggest space available, 02:37:01.320 --> 02:37:04.320 but it's not always the best setup. 02:37:04.320 --> 02:37:06.320 For us, it's great, but for other meetings, 02:37:06.320 --> 02:37:07.320 it might not be the best setup. 02:37:07.320 --> 02:37:11.320 So kind of what is the need from a municipal side 02:37:11.320 --> 02:37:14.320 and then from a community side also that's already there? 02:37:25.320 --> 02:37:34.320 I can speak a little bit about the Denton Community Theater. 02:37:34.320 --> 02:37:40.320 It has 299 seats, and it's always utilized 02:37:40.320 --> 02:37:46.320 because we have musicals and performances and rehearsals, 02:37:46.320 --> 02:37:52.320 and we have many other people that have asked to lease it 02:37:52.320 --> 02:37:57.320 for recitals and weddings and things of that nature 02:37:57.320 --> 02:38:00.320 that we have not been able to do. 02:38:00.320 --> 02:38:02.320 We have a children's theater 02:38:02.320 --> 02:38:06.320 that we were desperate to find space for. 02:38:06.320 --> 02:38:09.320 Now we're at the mall, Skull and Triangle Mall, 02:38:09.320 --> 02:38:12.320 and the community theater is doing like a black box 02:38:12.320 --> 02:38:15.320 where the movie theater was at the mall. 02:38:15.320 --> 02:38:19.320 But we looked for a long, long, long time 02:38:19.320 --> 02:38:23.320 to find space that would be appropriate for the theater. 02:38:23.320 --> 02:38:27.320 So there's a lot of performances out there that probably could... 02:38:27.320 --> 02:38:30.320 In answer to your question, Jesse, 02:38:30.320 --> 02:38:33.320 everybody's always looking for rehearsal--oh, sorry. 02:38:33.320 --> 02:38:35.320 In answer to your question, 02:38:35.320 --> 02:38:39.320 everybody is always looking for rehearsal space, always. 02:38:39.320 --> 02:38:44.320 Performance space, like Janet said, we're constantly-- 02:38:44.320 --> 02:38:46.320 we go from one show to another to another, 02:38:46.320 --> 02:38:52.320 and then between all of that, we have church in there, 02:38:52.320 --> 02:38:56.320 and we've got, you know, some of the dance-- 02:38:56.320 --> 02:38:59.320 the dance projects are in there. 02:38:59.320 --> 02:39:03.320 But constantly, rehearsal space is always a need 02:39:03.320 --> 02:39:06.320 for all of the performances in this town. 02:39:06.320 --> 02:39:11.320 One more comment? 02:39:11.320 --> 02:39:14.320 I don't know if you guys would know the answer to this, 02:39:14.320 --> 02:39:17.320 but I think--I just want to ask about this in comparison 02:39:17.320 --> 02:39:20.320 or looking at that fine arts building on the square, 02:39:20.320 --> 02:39:22.320 which seems to be sitting empty. 02:39:22.320 --> 02:39:25.320 How does--does that play a role into any of your thinking, 02:39:25.320 --> 02:39:28.320 or I think it's privately owned, I'm not sure, 02:39:28.320 --> 02:39:32.320 but is there any discussion that takes in consideration? 02:39:32.320 --> 02:39:36.320 There's another theater building just a couple of blocks south of that. 02:39:36.320 --> 02:39:42.320 I'm going to provide the correct response through the follow-up, 02:39:42.320 --> 02:39:47.320 but that theater, I believe, has been vacant since 1981, 02:39:47.320 --> 02:39:49.320 the fine arts theater. 02:39:49.320 --> 02:39:53.320 And so our economic development director's philosophy, 02:39:53.320 --> 02:39:55.320 which will provide his correct responses, 02:39:55.320 --> 02:39:57.320 doesn't take away from anything. 02:39:57.320 --> 02:40:00.320 We're just adding more space, more reasons to be downtown, 02:40:00.320 --> 02:40:03.320 more reasons to have events. 02:40:03.320 --> 02:40:05.320 So I'll provide the correct response, 02:40:05.320 --> 02:40:08.320 but that's the philosophy he shared with investing 02:40:08.320 --> 02:40:13.320 in any of these facilities that will provide more space. 02:40:13.320 --> 02:40:18.320 So speaking for DBFF, Natalie's going to hit me. 02:40:18.320 --> 02:40:21.320 We would definitely love to use a space like that, 02:40:21.320 --> 02:40:26.320 because being downtown, I think, as people come to Denton, 02:40:26.320 --> 02:40:33.320 it's really important for them to be able to just experience what's downtown. 02:40:33.320 --> 02:40:38.320 And so I think that's one of the things that our attendees always talk about. 02:40:38.320 --> 02:40:43.320 They can walk six minutes and get to the next restaurant or venue. 02:40:43.320 --> 02:40:44.320 So I think it would be great, 02:40:44.320 --> 02:40:47.320 and we could utilize it definitely throughout the year, 02:40:47.320 --> 02:40:52.320 not just that period of time. 02:40:52.320 --> 02:40:54.320 Awesome. 02:40:54.320 --> 02:40:58.320 All right, guys, we're heading into the last thing for tonight, 02:40:58.320 --> 02:41:03.320 and what that is is the facilitators have in their packets QR codes 02:41:03.320 --> 02:41:05.320 for this temperature gauge. 02:41:05.320 --> 02:41:11.320 Now, again, the idea is it's a five -- you get to react on a five-point scale, 02:41:11.320 --> 02:41:17.320 one being currently I feel like I'm in full support of pushing this forward, 02:41:17.320 --> 02:41:22.320 and five being like, no way, and then something in between. 02:41:22.320 --> 02:41:26.320 So it's asking you seven questions when you get on there, 02:41:26.320 --> 02:41:30.320 starting with last week's projects, since we're catching up. 02:41:30.320 --> 02:41:31.320 I just did it. 02:41:31.320 --> 02:41:33.320 It took me about 30 seconds. 02:41:33.320 --> 02:41:36.320 So the idea is to just scan that with your phone. 02:41:36.320 --> 02:41:37.320 It will open up a link. 02:41:37.320 --> 02:41:40.320 You start the survey, and then you scroll down through it, 02:41:40.320 --> 02:41:45.320 giving it your -- whether I'm in support or wherever you fall on that spectrum. 02:41:45.320 --> 02:41:48.320 If anyone needs help, raise your hand. 02:41:48.320 --> 02:41:52.320 We also, I think, have a couple computers elsewhere in the back 02:41:52.320 --> 02:41:57.320 that if somebody can't access this in their phone, we can help you get access. 02:41:57.320 --> 02:42:00.320 My phone died during this three-hour meeting. 02:42:00.320 --> 02:42:02.320 Come on back. 02:42:02.320 --> 02:42:10.320 I think they're going to get you back here. 02:42:10.320 --> 02:42:37.320 And then as soon as we're through with that -- 02:42:37.320 --> 02:42:46.320 yes. 02:42:46.320 --> 02:42:47.320 And one more announcement. 02:42:47.320 --> 02:42:48.320 You're finishing that up. 02:42:48.320 --> 02:42:52.320 If you have not yet RSVP'd to come to the tour on Saturday, 02:42:52.320 --> 02:42:54.320 you can do that live here. 02:42:54.320 --> 02:42:59.320 You can come up here to the front of the meeting and let Tammy know, 02:42:59.320 --> 02:43:06.320 and she'll get you set up. 02:43:06.320 --> 02:43:10.320 We'll probably have a new QR code next time, yeah. 02:43:10.320 --> 02:43:12.320 All right, so I'll let you guys finish that up, 02:43:12.320 --> 02:43:15.320 but for the sake of those of you guys who are ready to get going, 02:43:15.320 --> 02:43:17.320 we officially close this meeting. 02:43:17.320 --> 02:43:18.320 Thank you guys so much. 02:43:18.320 --> 02:43:20.320 We'll see you next week.