1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,500 welcome everybody it's six o'clock and I would like to call the meeting to order 2 00:00:07,500 --> 00:00:13,200 and we have a couple of what we have three agenda items tonight the first is 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:22,040 to consider approval of the minutes for the June 1st 20 23rd meeting motion to 4 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:40,640 approve do we have a second did anyone see that was emailed out on Monday I 5 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:51,880 believe so we have a motion and a second all those in favor I the motion was made 6 00:00:51,880 --> 00:01:01,880 by in seconded by Peggy caps all those in favor raise your hand and say aye all 7 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:06,880 those opposed second item of business receive a report and hold a discussion 8 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,640 regarding the scope and processes relating to the items to be addressed 9 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,840 and discussed during the meetings of the special citizens bond advisory committee 10 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:24,920 and do I have control this thing I just ended it so you guys receive this from 11 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:29,380 me again as a result of the direction from last week we obviously have a 12 00:01:29,380 --> 00:01:33,800 different direction than the process in place as a result our professional 13 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:38,360 facilitator will not be continuing to join these meetings so it's it's up to 14 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,320 us to continue this process moving forward so what we wanted to do is paint 15 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:46,720 out a way based on the feedback that we've been getting to date of how to do 16 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,520 that so to start off with we'll go this pretty quickly so hopefully you guys 17 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,760 have reviewed this presentation by city staff the only change here is that 18 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:59,280 moving forward we've asked for additional specifics relating to project 19 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:03,800 recommendation including the context of the proposal what is being proposed and 20 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,040 its estimated cost it seems like there's a lot of questions around those each 21 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,640 time those presentations were having and the staff has agreed to present those 22 00:02:10,640 --> 00:02:14,700 you'll see those starting tonight secondly moving on the committee Q&A 23 00:02:14,700 --> 00:02:17,840 we want to preserve the greatness that happened last week you guys said loud 24 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:22,080 and clear from vote of 20 to 11 I think that you wanted to have Q&A fully 25 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:28,400 unfettered unvetted unmitigated by table talk conversations that are voted to the 26 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:33,880 top we're gonna continue doing that at a time at the discretion of me depending 27 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:38,580 on the time we have that evening or the particular topic as it seems like we 28 00:02:38,580 --> 00:02:42,660 need more time to camp on it moving on to the last thing you see there and I'll 29 00:02:42,660 --> 00:02:48,320 move back up to the other two we wanted to augment that Q&A time a lot of folks 30 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,440 were saying in addition to questions of the city staff sometimes we just have 31 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,920 comments we want to make or maybe you've got some personal or professional 32 00:02:55,920 --> 00:03:00,080 expertise you want to bring to the table and you want to share that a time for 33 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,620 committee deliberation if you will around these because at the end of the 34 00:03:03,620 --> 00:03:07,120 day that's what we have to do to be able to get on the same page and be able to 35 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,200 forward a solid recommendation to the City Council that we think can pass the 36 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,120 muster of the entire city when this ultimately goes to a vote so what we 37 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:19,920 were proposing is that in addition to the Q&A we'll restrict the Q&A to Q&A 38 00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:24,060 while we have our staff presenter up here so that we can make sure that we 39 00:03:24,060 --> 00:03:28,640 have a time just for questions for them but then once we've exhausted those 40 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:33,400 questions we want to move on for a time for us as a committee to deliberate this 41 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,240 is where maybe you've got an additional brainstorm maybe you've got an 42 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:40,040 additional comment again this will be at my discretion from a time perspective 43 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,800 to keep us moving forward based on the chatter and what you guys feel like you 44 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,560 want to do we want to give us as much time to be able to dive in as possible 45 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:51,040 but that's an augmentation from last week's approach I think meant to kind of 46 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:56,440 bolster our substantive discussion around these topics small group time I 47 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:01,200 think some of the concerns and you guys can tell me during this discussion that 48 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,960 we'll have on this is that part of the concern with small group time was the 49 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,960 feel that the questions that were addressed in a large group setting had 50 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,720 to be vetted and filtered through that small group time I get that that's no 51 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,560 longer the case given the way we're doing the Q&A time in the open 52 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:21,760 discussion time but there has been some feedback given to me at the end of last 53 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,600 week as well as throughout the week as we've been sending out these updates 54 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:29,720 that there is value to being able to listen to what staff has to say and then 55 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,840 have a time at least initially to reflect with a smaller group and to be 56 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:37,120 able to throw out some brainstorms maybe some questions maybe just get their 57 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:41,000 creative juices churning because at the end of the day we don't want just the 58 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:45,000 five or six people who have the time to speak or ask questions during that large 59 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,280 group time to be able to chime in we want to take advantage of time to be 60 00:04:49,280 --> 00:04:53,120 able to dig in in smaller formats where folks who maybe aren't as comfortable 61 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,240 sharing in a larger format or maybe just need that processing time to get primed 62 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,040 up ahead of the larger time have that opportunity that's the spirit behind the 63 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,560 small group time that's it nothing about that is filtering the questions through 64 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:10,400 so that's the idea there is to give us the time to really reflect with a 65 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:15,720 smaller group and then we'll move on to the open discussion we also are 66 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,360 preserving the idea of written Q&A so that as you have questions that maybe 67 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,000 don't have time to be addressed or maybe it's not you don't think it's 68 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,240 appropriate for the whole group but you want to make sure it gets on record we 69 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,560 want to preserve that now without the professional facilitator helping to 70 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:35,400 organize things realize if you heard the original presentation around why we did 71 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,800 that it was in part to facilitate the process but also in part to really help 72 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:44,840 with some needed staff time to get some help with some of this some of that work 73 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:48,080 is no longer there with somebody to help out with it so we want to at least 74 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:52,400 alleviate that by having an electronic option where you can submit those 75 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,640 questions you should see at your table Susie can you hold it up it's a half 76 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:00,680 sheet of paper with a QR code using your phone you can scan it it can open up a 77 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:05,000 link where it's a way that you can put in your comment and it just cuts down on 78 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:09,320 filling out a sticky note and then somebody I was emailing folks last week 79 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,320 after this meeting they were up past midnight transcribing those for us so 80 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,280 they could start getting those out to the city staff so helps make things a 81 00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:19,920 little bit more efficient so if you're able to utilize that technology please 82 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:25,480 do if not we still have sticky notes at the table we're welcome to entertain 83 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:30,460 that but try to get as many of those electronically if possible moving on I 84 00:06:30,460 --> 00:06:36,640 don't know if I have control or not I do then finally as we move forward again at 85 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,920 the end of the day we need to come together from a consensus point of view 86 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,960 towards the whole committee and figure out what we are moving forward as a 87 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:48,800 group in recommending the City Council we could either wait till the end in the 88 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:53,080 last meeting to figure out where we're at as a group or we can start taking what 89 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:58,040 I'm calling temperature gauges along the way each week not as an official vote 90 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:03,560 just as some sort of sense of where are we as a committee on these particular 91 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:09,320 topics so the recommendation is again utilizing another technological approach 92 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:15,520 to your phone a simple survey based on each project where we can give just our 93 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,680 point-in-time feeling about that particular project based on the 94 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,520 presentation the questions and the conversations and it's going to give us 95 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,900 five options very simple I'm in full support I love it I think it should be 96 00:07:27,900 --> 00:07:32,120 part of the bond package again this isn't binding this is just a sense of 97 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:36,880 where are we at as a committee or currently I'm mostly supportive maybe I've 98 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:41,680 got some additional questions three I'm unsure I might have some additional 99 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,760 questions or I need some more information I'm not sure whether or not to 100 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,040 include it the fourth option is I have reservations so you see it's a 101 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,240 gradation a spectrum to get a sense of where we're at and then five currently I 102 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:56,440 do not support no way no how no way in hell am I recommending this project for 103 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:01,360 inclusion again none of this is binding but we will take this poll this is the 104 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,400 recommendation and reveal it to the entire folks you guys see what the 105 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,720 results are in the aggregate anonymizing it so that you're not seeing specific 106 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:15,320 people's votes so that we can have a sense on where we at the city staff can 107 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,120 have a sense even the City Council who can see this because it's publicly 108 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,560 available to see where we're at as a committee is moving forward why is that 109 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,680 important because we might think as maybe you're passionate about a 110 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:30,120 particular project and then you see after this temperature gauge that hey 111 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:35,080 that's going south so either I need to get off that or maybe I need to amp up 112 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:40,480 my ability to convince more of my fellow committee members it also helps from the 113 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,120 city staff's perspective if we see a lot particularly what's going to be really 114 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:48,960 illuminating if we see a lot in that 3 camp around a particular project it means 115 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,280 that we need some more information and we need to dig into that more so it 116 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,880 gives the staff the opportunity and us as we're looking at the agenda week to 117 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,040 week to say we need to camp out on that a little bit more because we know we 118 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,840 don't have consensus yet on that but we could one way or the other if we just 119 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:08,840 had some more discussion on it so that's the idea of that again not binding on us 120 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:14,440 at all but getting a sense of where we are from week to week so before I dig in 121 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,640 I'm gonna actually ask Susie to help dig into the process for how we actually 122 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,520 come to a decision in the last couple of weeks well we'll talk about that process 123 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:27,480 in a second I want to pause to see what's your questions and what your 124 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:32,760 comments are to this proposed process moving forward so open the floor for 125 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,600 anyone Susie if you wouldn't mind grabbing a mic grab any of those 126 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:42,440 questions or comments and I see one in the back with Kim beggars back there 127 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:53,080 so I'm assuming will retroactively grade the ones that we've already heard right 128 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,960 I think that was the goal is that what we're gonna do so the idea would be at 129 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:02,400 the end of each time moving forward do all the ones that you did that week this 130 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,960 time we're gonna have a little bit more because we saw some last week so we'll 131 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:11,880 have to spend a little bit more time great question mr. Crouch up here this 132 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:17,960 is more just clarification on the second page there one of the things that you 133 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:23,640 said was if you see that your project that you're in favor of might be going 134 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:28,840 south you've got to get more support I think that that one of the things that 135 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:33,400 was in our materials that we received from the parking lot questions was you 136 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:39,400 can't go start lobbying throughout the committee outside of this room am I 137 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:44,920 correct that's great thanks for that we are as a city committee public committee 138 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,160 that's been appointed by the City Council subject to the Texas open 139 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:53,560 meetings act like any other committee would be so and I think we'll ask for 140 00:10:53,560 --> 00:10:57,320 any further follow-up that people need to understand that but things like 141 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,720 starting to call up individuals and try and get a quorum of the room on your 142 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:08,960 page on something is is technically in violation of that so the idea would be 143 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:14,320 that when I say that it's in the context of these meetings to be able to know how 144 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:19,040 you can maneuver or give better voice to your perspective or whatnot so it's a 145 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,040 good call out Tim thank you 146 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:29,600 actually a question referring on what he's saying I think it's a good idea if 147 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:34,760 something is going south like you say because I think if there's discussion 148 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:41,840 on that then it'll help us understand better for me that I have no experience 149 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:46,120 on anything like this when something is not working out well or something is 150 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:51,560 working really well and my vote is not there it's kind of good for a 151 00:11:51,560 --> 00:11:55,600 clarification for that so I like the system 152 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:07,560 this is what Kim asked about going backwards I'm not sure we have all the 153 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:12,000 financial information that we may need related to the projects that have already 154 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:18,440 been discussed so then my rec that's a great point so if we didn't have that 155 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,720 earlier say what we're augmenting with the presentation of city staff in those 156 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:29,320 prior I would say you ought to put number of three and then utilize the 157 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,960 parking lot or another opportunity to make sure you're asking those questions 158 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:40,000 so we can get those clarified yeah this is great discussion I mean I guess what 159 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,520 we're looking for I don't want to spend all night long talking about process I'm 160 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:47,560 gonna move forward and moving this thing on am I judging by the lack of strong 161 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:51,680 opinion one way or the other that people are by and large okay with moving 162 00:12:51,680 --> 00:13:02,240 forward with this approach yes miss a worth yes I like to address a couple of 163 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:06,800 things that have been mentioned here one is that we are not prohibited from 164 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:11,400 talking to each other outside of this meeting we are only prohibited from 165 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:16,320 talking in a quorum or in a walking quorum but we are not prohibited from 166 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,760 talking to each other that is not a total violation every other committee 167 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:25,240 I've ever been on we have received a list of everyone on the committee and 168 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:31,160 now we don't get one of those and I know why we don't get one of those and we 169 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,720 were given a sheet about people that want to retract their information and 170 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:40,640 not make it available but we certainly can talk to each other outside of this 171 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:48,000 we just can't do it in a quorum and or in a walking quorum and this usually a 172 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:54,960 quorum is fifty percent plus one but for some reason this particular body has a 173 00:13:54,960 --> 00:14:04,160 quorum in the ordinance of 15 and why 15 was chosen I don't know I have some 174 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:12,840 problems with the table time because we everything that I've heard has been the 175 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:17,840 comments last week people that I've seen on the street we've talked to have 176 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:24,160 said gee that was really great once we could just open up and we could ask 177 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:29,840 questions of staff because staff is who has the answers they're the only ones in 178 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:36,600 here that really have the answers to our questions and if we have that time 179 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:42,520 limited we only have two hours a meeting and if our time is limited to where we 180 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:47,120 are talking to each other instead of asking questions of staff then that's 181 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:52,640 just that much less time that we can get our answers it just felt so good and 182 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:59,000 free and open at that last meeting when we could just open up and ask questions 183 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:06,280 and we've got the opportunity for written questions I also have a problem 184 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:13,480 with the last item on the the committee discussion I'm all for the discussion 185 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:20,040 but it says comments will be restricted to topics of the presentation well there 186 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:25,280 are there are other things ancillary to the bond election that are completely 187 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:32,200 totally bond election related but they are not in a box just the animal shelter 188 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:37,320 just the library just the building just the presentation that we should certainly 189 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:44,280 be free to talk about totally as a chair I'll give you discretion to be able to 190 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:49,120 do that so I'll we'll be able to make sure you have the right to ask the 191 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:53,000 questions that we think we just want to make sure somebody starts talking about 192 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,920 Sesame Street or something else that we stay focused on what the task at hand is 193 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,960 yeah that we're not going to talk about like national politics or something but 194 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:07,320 but if it's bond election related we should be able to talk about it agree so to 195 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:13,160 that end I would like to put a motion on the floor I move the committee adopted 196 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:20,120 another standing rule that all future meetings include only staff presentations 197 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:26,080 open Q&A and open discussion by the committee as a whole moderated by the 198 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:32,100 chair discussion shall not be restricted in topics to be discussed as long as 199 00:16:32,100 --> 00:16:40,720 they are within the general realm of this bond election and there's a second 200 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:56,920 from Dave Chuck the only things that can be talked about in the meetings are 201 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:04,960 things that are posted on the agenda so I if you can clarify if that's what your 202 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:10,800 motion means or not because it's it's not anything goes it's what's on the 203 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:18,840 agenda and related to what's on the agenda that may involve related things 204 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:33,160 but it needs to be within the realm of as it's posted on the agenda are you 205 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:41,880 interested in amending your motion at all well I think I think from what she 206 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:49,520 said the issue if it if if it has to be posted if it's a posting issue then the 207 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:57,620 posting needs to include a broader scope for the time of discussion got it okay 208 00:17:57,620 --> 00:18:02,400 so we have a motion we have a second is there further discussion or comments 209 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,600 Jesse Davis 210 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:18,200 okay here the motion again yeah sure could you please restate your motion 211 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:25,280 committee adopt a standing rule that all future meetings include only staff 212 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:30,600 presentations open Q&A and open discussion by the committee as a whole 213 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:36,280 moderated by the chair discussion shall not be restricted in topics to be 214 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:42,480 discussed as long as they are within the general realm of this bond election 215 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:52,200 I ask a clarifying question right does that does your motion include when you 216 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,400 say that the meetings will only consist of these items does your motion include 217 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:02,000 that the meeting would not have a temperature gauge or is it just that the 218 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:07,920 items that you're speaking to on the first slide that's up right now the 219 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:13,280 temperature gauge is is something that people do online just like they submit 220 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:19,200 questions online it's so that wouldn't interfere with that and I would modify 221 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:23,520 it to be up until the last meeting because the last meeting we do have to 222 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:33,420 take a vote mr. chair I would speak against the motion feel like what the 223 00:19:33,420 --> 00:19:40,240 chair has presented reflects feedback from committee members I know that many 224 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,120 of us myself included have not been we've been vocal about our concerns 225 00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:47,760 we've been clear about our concerns some of us about 20 of us were pretty vocal 226 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:52,360 about our concerns at the last meeting in the form of the standing rule vote 227 00:19:52,360 --> 00:20:00,280 excuse me but I think there is also legitimate concern that we are a large 228 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:04,040 committee we are a committee that if we had been designed from the beginning or 229 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:09,480 only open discussion we would probably not be this large we were we were made 230 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,800 this large by the City Council on the advice of the consultant so that we 231 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:17,680 could do these small groups that we would break into smaller groups so I see 232 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:22,040 utility in retaining part of the small group structure and just having some 233 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:26,960 discussion I'll tell you my experience in a small group that first night was a 234 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:32,480 lot of gosh I'm new to this process what's going on what's happening it's a 235 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,320 very easy low-hanging fruit kind of questions that our staff facilitator was 236 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,480 able to help us with that just the conversation with more experienced people 237 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,920 around the table was very helpful to get kind of oriented where it went south was 238 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,640 where you only got the one question or where you didn't get to hear all the 239 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,320 discussion from the other tables the positive of it was that you got to have 240 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,760 that kind of orienting conversation like with a smaller group folks that are 241 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,080 you're getting to know a little bit better you feel a little bit more 242 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:02,680 comfortable talking about talking to but then you take that your idea to kind of 243 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,960 crystallize a little bit and now you're ready for your really good questions in 244 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,520 front of the whole rest of the group so I appreciate what the chairs put together 245 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:14,640 here I think it's a good compromise to kind of manage the size that we are I 246 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,720 think it's a good compromise and the two different approaches and different 247 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:23,840 processes we've talked about and it retains the deliberation is done by the 248 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,600 whole group we have some conversation we have some chit chat we have some 249 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:32,960 orienting ourselves amongst the small groups and then we have going forward 250 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,440 open deliberation everybody hears everybody everybody hears everybody's 251 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:42,880 questions but you're a little better you got you see legs a little bit thank you 252 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:47,880 any other comments on the motion yes sir 253 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:56,920 this is my first bond committee and so and I'm really excited to be here great 254 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:03,080 presentations last week and I was listening to Jesse talk about why he 255 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:10,280 felt that we should maintain your your proposed rules and after listen to her 256 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,960 since this is my first she kind of brought up a thing that it kind of was 257 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:20,080 made my my my thinking cap come on is that since this is my first one 258 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:24,880 obviously there's a little bit of a learning curve for me to understand the 259 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:30,880 bond process and I see a bunch of numbers in all this stuff and and I 260 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,920 believe me I know that these are some big numbers and we all have a birdie 261 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:41,920 pretty steep hill like up ahead for us but as she talked about and thank you 262 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:46,360 for bringing it up by the way that they're there's probably some things 263 00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:52,720 about bringing a bond to the voters that I don't know about and that there's a 264 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,080 lot of learning people in this room that have been on bond committees staff 265 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,720 people have been through bond process and obviously our city leadership has 266 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:04,920 been through a lot of them in their and their travels and it was bought up last 267 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:09,800 time about there was a question by somebody actually it didn't start out as 268 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:14,320 a question it started out as it was talking this gentleman was talking and 269 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:19,560 then it was he was kind of made clear to him that you you can't just talk about 270 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:24,080 something you have to form a question and so to your comment it was kind of 271 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:29,400 you got to be jeopardy and all that you got to you know and so that's the part 272 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:37,460 that I really didn't like and when she brought it up I have a lot of concerns 273 00:23:37,460 --> 00:23:41,580 about some stuff bringing a bond election in this climate and the economic 274 00:23:41,580 --> 00:23:46,640 climate that we're in so but how do we I think in our small table there's got to 275 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,760 be a bigger form to where my views should be heard by the other small table 276 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:55,520 people and I want to hear what they have to say too and so I just don't want that 277 00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:01,400 to be limited I want to be able to say something to the group but I also want 278 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,520 other people's to talk about to the group and said I just think it should be more 279 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,320 open there there might be a compromise somewhere between what you're proposing 280 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,680 is keeping this and what she says to men maybe your process for the next meeting 281 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,920 to make sure that when we do have an open discussion committee discussion I 282 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:21,200 would imagine that's that second last item on the agenda is that the discussion 283 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:27,600 should be residents I mean committee members standing up and given him give me 284 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:33,200 your your experience of bringing a bond to the to to the public and so I want to 285 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,360 hear those and that's the purpose of my standing up thanks John any other 286 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:46,160 discussion on the motion yes mr. chair yeah my only thing is uh obviously it 287 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,800 sounds like something that can be handled by the staff you know in really I 288 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:55,200 think you guys if y'all can just you know take it you know and say okay you 289 00:24:55,200 --> 00:25:02,640 know on both things that that they're talking about do a SWOT analysis on it 290 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,080 then you can push it back out to us and then we'll can take kind of look at it 291 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,920 because right now I think you know it's just taking away from time you know in 292 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:17,760 in really when you really listen to what both are saying they're similar it just 293 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:22,080 using a different tool and you just need to just fine-tune it with a SWOT analysis 294 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:34,160 and I think we can move forward thanks mr. Crouch has discussion I'm going to 295 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:41,160 I'm going to somewhat repeat what I said last week about the small groups there 296 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:47,160 are some of us who are not shy we'll stand up and talk about anything at any 297 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:53,600 time there are other people who are afraid that they might look foolish if 298 00:25:53,600 --> 00:26:00,200 they stand up and ask a question because they don't have a good understanding of 299 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,960 it and that in a small group setting there's an opportunity to sort of float 300 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:13,120 that out and ask is this an important question I don't understand this part of 301 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:21,560 it so I think that that the small group time helps those who sometimes just 302 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:28,680 aren't willing to put themselves out there in a larger setting we should use 303 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:35,000 that we should use the expertise of the people around the tables who perhaps 304 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:42,240 won't stand up but have some knowledge or the people who are around the table 305 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:47,760 who who are just concerned about not wanting to appear appear that they don't 306 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:54,160 know what they're talking about that small group time gives people the 307 00:26:54,160 --> 00:27:00,800 opportunity to have some discussion in a smaller setting and then determine maybe 308 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:05,480 with some other people the table that is a really important question and empower 309 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:10,120 them at that point so I post the motion I think this process is good and I think 310 00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:24,120 we ought to support it looking at your proposal in hearing these statements 311 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:30,960 that have made what about if we change a little bit of the ABC or the one two 312 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:39,040 three you get your presentation by the city staff then with your moderating we 313 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:45,920 ask our initial thought process questions after we've done that then in 314 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:54,920 the small group time we take up some of those answers and see what needs to be 315 00:27:54,920 --> 00:28:01,640 taken further then you go into the written Q&A and then as you say the 316 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:09,440 committee discussion totally at the end that recaps it it's a good suggestion I 317 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,820 think there's a motion on the floor which we're gonna have to be voted 318 00:28:11,820 --> 00:28:15,280 voting up or down at some point and maybe if that fails that's a 319 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,200 recommendation we can move on I think we have a couple other comments thank you 320 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:27,320 Julie at the back table I saw two there okay call the question all right is it 321 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:38,560 clarifying the motion I think the questions been called which I think means 322 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,680 we got to go ahead and take a vote on this and that's all right John most of 323 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,360 us aren't myself included great at Roberts rules of order and we ought not 324 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,840 to be we're just average citizens trying to figure this out amongst ourselves so 325 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:57,580 I get it all right let's go ahead and take a vote on the motion on the floor 326 00:28:57,580 --> 00:29:04,000 let's vote to call the question all those in favor raise your right hand this 327 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,800 is just to say let's go ahead and vote on the motion that's all this is saying 328 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:13,040 all those opposed raise your right hand okay so we're now we're gonna vote on 329 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:20,720 the motion as presented by miss Hayworth all those in favor raise your right hand 330 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:28,040 motion what's that do you want to repeat of the motion if you're in favor of her 331 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:35,720 motion raise your right hand all those opposed raise your right hand so the 332 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:48,400 motion fails do we have another motion make a motion that we accept the proposed 333 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:55,960 process with that one adjustment of flipping committee Q&A and small group 334 00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:03,000 okay the motion there's a motion is there a second there's a second any 335 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:14,920 discussion can you repeat the motion maybe give him a mic let him right okay 336 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:20,160 what I'm referring to is when you look at the slide please give her a mic so 337 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:27,480 everyone can hear the way it's listed on the slide if you read it with my 338 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:34,920 suggestion number one is the presentation by the city staff number two 339 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:42,960 is committee Q&A because that way you can ask your questions as soon as the 340 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:51,400 staff finishes after that we go into small group to further amongst the table 341 00:30:51,400 --> 00:31:01,440 figure out if we have any additional questions and then since the written 342 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,400 part that could be done at the end if it's going to be electronically so I'm 343 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:11,920 going to move that to the bottom and then move committee discussion up after 344 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:21,920 the small group that way you've got two opportunities one right after staff 345 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:29,440 presents we can all ask questions to we could mull it over amongst ourselves 346 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:37,720 three have the opportunity to then further discuss them if needed and have 347 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:46,420 staff available and then fourth is when we go and submit our written Q&A 348 00:31:46,420 --> 00:31:56,080 no I get it so so she was just clarifying what her ideas were he's got 349 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,840 the motion he's got it is that your motion as she stated or do you want to 350 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,760 clarify your motion so everyone understands it I would accept that 351 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:08,560 although it seems to me that the written Q&A is something that happens throughout 352 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:13,780 throughout and after the meeting so it's kind of a thread throughout the whole 353 00:32:13,780 --> 00:32:19,840 thing and may I just interject here look my view of process is if we've got to 354 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,280 iterate in the middle of a meeting because there's not a lot of interest in 355 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,600 one discussion on something we iterate as a team I mean the idea is to give us 356 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,200 a framework upon which we can move things forward in a fair way that 357 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:36,300 everyone feels needed and even if we get to the end of today trying something in 358 00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:41,080 whatever order we're doing it in and next week we all look at it and say we 359 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,200 can drop this piece or we need to that's the whole goal we just need to be able 360 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,920 to be iterative as necessary so the idea here is to at least get something that 361 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,320 start moving us forward and then if we need to make adjustments along the way I 362 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,280 think we can all work together to make that happen so I would accept the 363 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:02,880 amendments I don't have a problem with them yeah I think we just need a clear 364 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:09,360 motion so the motion would be that we accept this proposed process with the 365 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:17,720 amendment that we move committee Q&A to the second position small group to the 366 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:25,360 third and written Q&A down below committee discussion so written Q&A 367 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:32,080 moves to the bottom committee goes up small group goes down committee Q&A 368 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:44,340 goes up is everybody thoroughly confused any discussion on that motion all right 369 00:33:44,340 --> 00:33:51,840 all those I just wanted to speak in favor of keeping it as is partly because 370 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:57,240 after the city staff presentations it's helpful to chat with the table process a 371 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,400 little bit sometimes I answer get my questions answered at the table that I 372 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,280 don't even need to bother asking later on so in terms of order for me that's 373 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,200 the most helpful to hear from everybody before I decide am I gonna even ask this 374 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:14,180 question to the full room is or did I answer it already but it also just helps 375 00:34:14,180 --> 00:34:17,680 like process your own questions beforehand so I find that order helpful 376 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,000 small group discussion would be less helpful further down once we've already 377 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:30,360 started talking any further discussion good evening I said I wasn't gonna but I 378 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:41,920 was the process school I was wondering I'm one of the people in here who went 379 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:47,000 through the process with the school district with as the proposed process 380 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,560 with the consultant and it really worked beautifully now I know the city is 381 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:57,200 different but I will say I'm one of the ones who said that we didn't hear the 382 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,960 voices of the small group once we started having the large community 383 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:07,600 committee Q&A the voices around the table were silent and so I think it's 384 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:13,280 really important that we have the small group first before the large Q&A 385 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,580 because once we have the large Q&A what's the purpose of a small group 386 00:35:17,580 --> 00:35:22,040 because most of the stuff has been asked and aired already and the reason that 387 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,680 all of us agreed to serve on this committee is so that our voices will be 388 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:32,240 heard by the people in the communities that we represent and so I think that I 389 00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:36,320 think that is important and so we're gonna vote on this the way we're gonna 390 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:43,040 vote on it but I like the process as proposed because it gives everybody a 391 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,880 voice we have two more comments and then I'm gonna call the vote on it miss 392 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:55,200 white and then Adams in the back I promise I'll be brief I just wanted to 393 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,480 speak in support as the proposed amendment is realigning the order 394 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:04,040 because I feel like having the small group time after the Q&A with staff 395 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,300 allows the small groups to process if there's additional questions if there's 396 00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:13,640 clarification to kind of mull it over as a group and have further clarifying 397 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:18,400 questions that they may not have thought about if they hadn't heard what some of 398 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,040 the other group members have been asking as a whole so I think it gives that 399 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,000 opportunity it also gives that opportunity to kind of find that middle 400 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,800 ground where people that may have a quieter voice or be more intimidated or 401 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,220 be more introverted to still have that opportunity to discuss in the small 402 00:36:32,220 --> 00:36:43,460 groups thanks Mindy Lenny I was just going to say that I'm in favor of the 403 00:36:43,460 --> 00:36:49,000 second order because once the big questions have been asked if there's 404 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:54,080 just confusion they can be asked kind of aside at your table and that we have 405 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:59,760 spent far too much time discussing this issue it's not that important and I move 406 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,840 for the question well there's a motion so again this 407 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:09,240 motion is there a second this is a motion just to say let's vote on the 408 00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:12,400 motion on the floor so it's voting whether or not you want to go and take 409 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:20,280 a vote on mr. Thurman's motion all those in favor all right we can go without the 410 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:25,140 vote let's call for a vote on the motion mr. on mr. Thurman's motion it was 411 00:37:25,140 --> 00:37:29,800 seconded by miss Remski I believe all those in favor show your right hand 412 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:46,000 please we're gonna need to count them keep them up all those opposed right 413 00:37:46,000 --> 00:38:15,680 hand let's have a recount if you are in favor of the 414 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:21,720 motion please raise your right hand keep it up 415 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:45,320 if your hands up please isn't democracy fun all those opposed raise your right 416 00:38:45,320 --> 00:39:09,400 hand 16 to 13 okay so the motion passes thank you we've got one little aspect 417 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:17,200 of process left and that is to discuss I'm gonna ask vice chair Susie to come 418 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,560 forward and talk specifically about how on those last couple weeks we're gonna 419 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:26,440 arrive at a consensus in the process for that the reason why she's chimed in on 420 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,800 this process is she was a part of the 2019 bond committee and a lot of the 421 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,240 insight for this came about through how they reached consensus towards those 422 00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:37,560 last final days so I'd give her the chance to share a little bit more about 423 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:50,600 this all right so Kevin and I work together on this trying to figure out 424 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:55,480 sort of something in between what was originally proposed and sort of what 425 00:39:55,480 --> 00:40:00,880 happened in 2019 so for meeting five what this could look like or what we're 426 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:06,680 proposing is from staff a finance advising costs and tax rate presentation 427 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:11,360 so kind of looking at all that all over again based on what we just voted on 428 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,600 small group discussion would not happen right after that but we would do open 429 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:21,040 Q&A discussion on the total amount and the tax rate and then I totally missed 430 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,800 small group discussion after that I guess or after the the comments but it'll 431 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:31,040 basically be the same process we just voted on after that presentation and then 432 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:39,800 each of you each of us would receive a survey where we would prioritize what we 433 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,500 would want to see in the bond package and then provide our proposed dollar 434 00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:48,960 total dollar amount this would be done electronically and we would it would be 435 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:54,080 due about 48 hours after it was sent out and then all of those would be 436 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:58,040 aggregated all of those results all of our prioritizations would be aggregated 437 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,360 into one list where we would see the rankings aggregated so this is very 438 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:07,120 similar to how we did it in 2019 where we individually prioritized the data was 439 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:11,840 aggregated and then we had a prioritized aggregated list that we then used to 440 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,680 kind of vote what was going to go in and what we didn't want to put in the 441 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:20,740 package for meeting six we would review the results of the total dollar amount 442 00:41:20,740 --> 00:41:26,700 that was aggregated what everybody had suggested and then we would review the 443 00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:32,520 aggregated results of our individual prioritizations and then we'd have Q&A 444 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,320 and discussion and then we would start working on voting things that we want to 445 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,080 move forward and recommend to City Council so we'd start making a list 446 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:46,040 voting things up or down and then at the end we would have a final vote on the 447 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,920 total list of projects we would want to recommend to City Council at the end of 448 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:55,840 that so this is very similar to 2019 there are several folks who were on the 449 00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,240 2019 bond in the room so they can also kind of help describe as well so that's 450 00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:08,880 the proposed process very similar to 2019 any questions or comment Mr. Crouch 451 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:14,360 moves approval do we have a second we have a second by mr. Thurman any 452 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:22,800 discussion on the motion mr. Davis thank you I'm good at the process before the 453 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,960 motion was made I was gonna suggest maybe we give ourselves a little bit of 454 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,680 time with the process we just decided on make sure we're good with it over the 455 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,560 next couple of meetings and not bind ourselves too much it doesn't make a 456 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,640 difference like Kevin said we can we can change even if there's a motion and a 457 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,640 vote to adopt this process tonight we can if it's not working out like you said 458 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,320 I think the chair I can put it back in front of us to do something a little bit 459 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:48,840 different the one thing I would say even if we adopt this as it's presented is I 460 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:53,000 want to be careful that we don't constrain ourselves six meetings two hours 461 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,600 a meeting that's a great goal but if we get down to the time where some of us 462 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,900 have strong feelings about certain projects and as a learned friend of mine 463 00:43:01,900 --> 00:43:06,000 the moment has told me on multiple occasions the easy stuff the easy stuff 464 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,760 and then you get down to the gosh I don't know and not and the the hard stuff 465 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,920 that it's not gonna happen stuff that's easy too right there in the middle we're 466 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,280 gonna really need to take time and I don't want to constrain ourselves to not 467 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,780 having a full discussion about that right on the bubble stuff especially 468 00:43:20,780 --> 00:43:26,040 once we set that dollar amount and know what our goal is filling that out and 469 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,400 making sure we're all very proud of the results so very much in favor of the 470 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:34,500 process but want to have a little wiggle room on whether we need extra time or 471 00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:43,840 extra meeting at the end thank you miss Eckert is there an opportunity if you're 472 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:49,560 not going to be here physically to be involved in any of these meetings 473 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:56,560 virtually I think that was decided upfront that that was not the case you 474 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,640 could certainly review you could watch the meeting you could review all the 475 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,680 materials you'll still be sent all the materials but in terms of chiming in 476 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,600 with comments and things like that that's restricted for folks who have the 477 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:17,120 ability to show up live oh so if for some reason June 26 you happen to be out 478 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:22,280 and you want to be involved in that certain is there any legal problem with 479 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:29,720 that there is a legal problem with that can you describe that legal problem and 480 00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:35,280 opinions that are made on those meetings need to be during the open meeting well 481 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:40,380 the idea that we're proposing on here just to be clear is that the because 482 00:44:40,380 --> 00:44:43,880 it's you're deliberating on your prioritization of the projects that you'd 483 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,720 sat through maybe the first four meetings on you had a vacation scheduled 484 00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:51,760 because you just got appointed you have 48 hours everyone who comes to this 485 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:57,480 meeting has 48 hours seems to me the leeway ought to be if you have a 486 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,760 legitimate reason you can't make that but you participated up to that point we 487 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,520 ought to let them participate in that because there's nothing binding about 488 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:13,520 that that's my legal pushback a bit Kevin can I say something yes Jill's 489 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:18,240 you're referring specifically to the survey mostly right for meeting number 490 00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:24,560 five would like would you be able to fill out the prioritization survey so in 491 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:29,440 2019 that's what was done they emailed it to us gave us a time limit it is not 492 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,600 binding it's not a decision it's just creating a list that we can work off of 493 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:42,320 on meeting six yeah that's okay the vote is right the actual vote which we'll get 494 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:48,320 to on the six you will have to be present for thanks for clarifying yep any 495 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,580 other discussion we have a motion and a second let's call the vote all in favor 496 00:45:52,580 --> 00:46:02,120 raise your right hand all opposed raise your right hand the motion passes thank 497 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:08,160 you guys that was long but necessary to make sure we feel all feel good and 498 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:14,680 included in that process moving forward so we'll try this out tonight according 499 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,320 to the motion and see how it goes now moving on to agenda item C receive a 500 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:24,720 report and hold a discussion regarding updates on a trails be animal shelter in 501 00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:42,760 see City Hall West so we'll start with a staff presentation on trails good 502 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,960 evening Gary pack and director parks and our creation again thank you for 503 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,840 volunteering your time for this effort tonight we're going to talk a little bit 504 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:57,720 about trail development over the past few years we spent a lot of time 505 00:46:57,720 --> 00:47:02,880 planning in order to prepare for construction of our park assets and 506 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,520 improving our park system through our master planning through strategic 507 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:11,480 planning through the 2040 plans the mobility plan they're all tied into the 508 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:17,000 parks in some form or fashion our trail system as a whole about 75 miles of 509 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:23,160 trails and that varies from paved concrete size and the type of surface 510 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,680 that we provide and that's spread out of 43 different locations throughout the 511 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:34,120 city some of the challenges we have with our trail system and expanding our trail 512 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:38,800 system is keeping up with the growth so as roads are being built working with 513 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:44,040 CIP to have roads at least on our trail on one side of a road high construction 514 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:49,080 costs the inflation of price construction has gone up quite a bit it's 515 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:54,200 roughly two million dollars a mile give or take that includes construction 516 00:47:54,200 --> 00:48:00,360 drawings planning everything and then a very competitive grant process that I'll 517 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,320 talk about there's quite a bit of grants out there for trails but there's a lot 518 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:09,320 of people asking for that that amount of money so the benefits of the trail 519 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,700 system and I won't go through each one of these but connectivity and 520 00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:17,600 accessibility that was a big deal in our master plan it is definitely a part of 521 00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:23,040 our ADA transition plan that was adopted in 2022 by City Council to make sure that 522 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:27,960 we have accessibility actually from here to there but also it's accessible in 523 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:36,160 its actual path and it's conducive for a wheelchair for example integration of 524 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:41,240 our trails with our CIP as Bonnie Bray is being rebuilt as Mayhill is a good 525 00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:45,800 example that was rebuilt we have a 10-foot wide trail on the east side of 526 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:50,520 Mayhill when those major thoroughfares are being rebuilt we're taking that 527 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,500 opportunity to put that trail in there so we can get from one point to another 528 00:48:54,500 --> 00:49:01,200 in a quick amount and usually at a pretty aggressive pace obviously health 529 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,360 and wellness that's obvious economic development connecting neighborhoods to 530 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:10,600 our downtown it's a great example connecting with nature decreasing 531 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:15,640 vehicular traffic so taking vehicles off the road creating opportunities for 532 00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:22,360 wildlife crossings animal corridors off-road vehicles off-road mountain 533 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:28,900 bikes equestrian trails and all of these are all aligned everything that we're 534 00:49:28,900 --> 00:49:33,360 doing is we're trying to align with our 10-minute walk which again was in 2019 535 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,360 adopted by City Council to make sure that we have green space within a half 536 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:42,600 mile or a 10-minute walk of every resident we found out yesterday that 537 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:49,760 we're at 58% we started in 2019 we're at 48% for the past couple of years we are 538 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:54,840 floating around 50% and we just up the Trust for Public Land just updated 539 00:49:54,840 --> 00:50:01,080 their now their algorithm and we jumped up to 58% so fingers crossed we're 540 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:05,140 double-checking that that's right but that's a huge step for us because the 541 00:50:05,140 --> 00:50:13,200 national average is 55% so we've gone 10% in the past four or five years 542 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:18,160 meeting the need so some of the desires and expectations that came out of our 543 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,920 master planning process the community meetings that we had and the community 544 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,680 meetings that we continue to have as we continue to plan for construction and 545 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:32,020 improvements of our park system trails was our number one and here's this item 546 00:50:32,020 --> 00:50:35,800 is specifically in our master plan and it's on page 31 it's linked into the 547 00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:40,080 PowerPoint what do you consider the most important priority for the Denton Parks 548 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:44,320 and Recreation Department and trails is number one we've spent a lot of time 549 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:50,840 planning for our trail system and we are doing that actually as we speak so 550 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,640 expanding that trail system increasing connectivity so every time there's a 551 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,720 development going on in the city we have staff on those development calls and 552 00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:04,160 we're making sure that that development if it's crisscrossing where we think 553 00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,200 we're going to have a trail we're working with that development to make 554 00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:12,880 sure they're helping us build that section or at least plan for it acquiring 555 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:20,240 land to preserve open space and provide for future recreation mobility bike 556 00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:24,600 friendly pedestrian crossings and walkways obviously if we're working on 557 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,640 major roadways we're trying to go in corridors wildlife corridors are 558 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:34,120 following creeks there are going to be times where we have to cross a road hike 559 00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:38,240 and bike trail heads so areas that we want people to start and stop or rest 560 00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:45,900 along the way lighting for safety reasons exercise equipment has come up 561 00:51:45,900 --> 00:51:50,880 over and over and that's on our list to get to we just have we got too many other 562 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,640 projects trying to get done there are some grant opportunities for that and 563 00:51:54,640 --> 00:52:00,840 that could go around McKenna Park Rose at Razor Ranch Park it could go around 564 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:07,280 South Lakes where you have these little stations for workout shade is another 565 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:14,000 major asset to its ass it doesn't matter what it is ball fields trails 566 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:20,040 aquatic facilities everybody wants shade playgrounds so we're trying to 567 00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:24,480 incorporate shade as much as we can and then coordination obviously with local 568 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:33,440 partners DISD County and developers as well future trails in need of 569 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,360 development so here's a short list of some of the things and some examples of 570 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:42,640 what we're working on we have over 250 miles in our trails master plan and 571 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:50,320 that's extremely aggressive extremely aggressive it's definitely a reach goal 572 00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:55,840 our one of our competitors that we look towards is the woodlands in Houston area 573 00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:02,480 and they have over 200 miles so our goal is you know from a competitive standpoint 574 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,800 okay how do we get there how do we crisscross and spiderweb the entire city 575 00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:12,760 with trails for people to get from razor from ropes and ranch to Lake Ray Roberts 576 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:18,480 how can we get people there on a trail so the breakdown of that roughly is a 577 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:23,200 hundred paved a hundred paved a hundred paddling trail so we're working with all 578 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:28,040 the lakefront communities around Lake Lewisville to have access points for 579 00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,840 kayaks and canoes the good thing about that is that there's only a lot of 580 00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,560 infrastructure the only infrastructure you have is to get people into the water 581 00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:40,040 there's no actual pavement there's signage and marketing and access and 582 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:44,960 then about 50 miles of soft surface and that could that could be pretty flexible 583 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:50,120 but some specific discussion pecan Creek trail master plan council adopted this 584 00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:55,680 plan already we actually submitted a ten plus million dollar grant to tech stop 585 00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:02,640 on Monday of this week and I'll show you a graph on that the Hickory Creek trail 586 00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:10,200 master plan which is basically from old Alton bridge to university or 380 that 587 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,560 is going to kick off this year from a planning perspective so we're getting 588 00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:19,440 ready to present that to City Council for consideration Cooper Creek trail 589 00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:24,200 extension Cooper Creek trail has a significant piece done it goes all the 590 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:29,640 way down to Evers starts kind of like north of North Lakes Park in Nicosia but 591 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:34,560 we want to connect that over on the north side of UNT Discovery Park to the 592 00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:42,480 future Bonnie Bray and they also want to take that further east from Avondale 593 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,760 powerline easements so there's obviously a thoroughfare there that we can take 594 00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:53,440 advantage of just like our greenways for our creeks the from 428 west over to 595 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,360 Bonnie Bray on the north side of the loop there's a powerline easement there 596 00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,640 there's a couple new developments that we're working with to acquire that 597 00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,760 property so we can go ahead and build that trail and then as future 598 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:08,000 developments come in the hills of Denton area that we could continue to negotiate 599 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:13,360 that and plan for the future Lewisville paddling trail already mentioned and 600 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:18,440 then undeveloped parkland we've over the past couple years thanks to bond 601 00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:23,120 programs we've been able to purchase land and basically land bank it for 602 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:29,080 future development East Lake Park Laney and then Southwest Park years ago are 603 00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:36,080 all planned for eventual development we were able to put in soft surface trails 604 00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:41,440 in Southwest Park last year so people get out and start using it we completed a 605 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:46,520 master plan it does include about two miles of trails within the property but 606 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,800 we've actually mowed those in so you can use it today even though it's virtually 607 00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:57,040 undeveloped but we did do a master plan for that property as well and that's a 608 00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:02,920 future bond project consideration in the future years and then existing parks and 609 00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:07,400 trails so McKenna Park two years ago we went ahead and put a loop trail around 610 00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:13,760 that point six miles it's a little bit more than half sorry Jesse Deena Park 611 00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:19,560 and Joe Skiles are under planning and engagement right now so you'll be seeing 612 00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:24,120 concrete going in there North Point is a partnership with a private development 613 00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,720 Eagle Creek is another partnership with a private development where they're 614 00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:33,440 building the trail for us we just kind of looked at the final design plans for 615 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,800 that project so they're building that mountain bike trails are really the 616 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:42,960 cheapest thing that we do we've we built about six miles of trails so far today 617 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:50,400 as of today virtually with volunteers we built five point three miles at Hartley 618 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,720 Field Road just on the north side of Clear Creek with over a thousand hours 619 00:56:54,720 --> 00:57:00,560 of volunteers and then our staff going in with the heavier equipment so those 620 00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:05,320 obviously aren't two million dollars a mile the two million dollar mile is 621 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,480 usually the ten to twelve foot wide concrete trail that's going from point A 622 00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:16,680 to point B and then North Lakes Park we're working with CIP to connect a 623 00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:22,000 future Ryan E elementary school through the park to get people to allow the 624 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:27,000 students to walk to school a little easier so we talked a little bit about 625 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:32,640 all the planning and the various stages that we work through so stages one and 626 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:37,480 two are areas that we spent a lot of time on over the past couple years like 627 00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:42,480 I've mentioned with all the planning documents mobility plan master plan 628 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:48,600 strategic plan 2040 plan that all outline kind of where we want to go and 629 00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:53,840 help it helps guide us helps guide you as residents as well now we're starting 630 00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:59,400 to transition to stage three and four where we're looking for we have the idea 631 00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:04,280 we have planning documents ready to go now we're looking for funding to do the 632 00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:09,720 bricks and mortar we're looking for the sweat equity efforts some of that 633 00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:15,000 obviously is general fund bond programs similar to this private development 634 00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,800 which we had mentioned in our park dedication and development fees they 635 00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:24,000 also come from private development that we can use for those efforts but we're 636 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:29,880 also looking at grant opportunities so we can expand our resources to be able 637 00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:37,400 to do more than just a portion of that and let me share an example so pecan 638 00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:42,320 Creek this is the application that we submitted this week so up here in well 639 00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:46,800 you really can't see it I'll just point to it the this is the amount of city 640 00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:53,840 match so typically grants provide a 20% a 50% match that's required so you have 641 00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:58,040 to have a little skin in the game so we were able to use some of our ARPA 642 00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,960 funding as well as some of our parkland dedication to develop funding to put 643 00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:07,400 together a match which was 20% the amount that we're asking and requested 644 00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:11,880 from text thought is just shy of 11 million dollars so obviously that would 645 00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:17,560 give us 13.7 million dollars that we can use to build trails at two million 646 00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:23,600 dollars a mile with our money alone we're going to build about a mile and a 647 00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,920 half maybe two miles depending on where it's at if there's a bridge or a 648 00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:35,880 crossing but if we use that match or that nest egg to expand it we now may be 649 00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:44,240 able to build six or seven miles of trail and do a lot more in that effort 650 00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:49,880 so some of these examples down here is the concrete trail is roughly 11 miles 651 00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:55,360 Hickory Creek is plus or minus 14 that's as the crow flies for the most part not 652 00:59:55,360 --> 01:00:01,440 specific undulations throughout the area Cooper Creek easement trails which is 653 01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,920 the Hills of Denton trail we mentioned earlier mountain bike trail so roughly 654 01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:10,560 40 plus miles of trails that's a really rough number but that's probably about 655 01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:17,560 seventy seven eighty million dollars in today's money some of the grant 656 01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:21,480 opportunities and this isn't all of them but Texas Parks and Wildlife text thought 657 01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:28,360 Department of Transportation are the big ones where we can go after funding and 658 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:32,280 there's different cycles different grant callings that we can go after 659 01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:37,600 typically every year some of them every two years some of them are random but 660 01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:43,520 we're trying to get things shovel ready as much as we can from a planning 661 01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:48,640 perspective so when we go to a grant application we're much more competitive 662 01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:53,960 than some of the other cities that we're competing against because sometimes they 663 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:59,800 submit napkin sketches or this is what we want to do we're going in there with 664 01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:04,880 30% construction drawings saying that hey we just need to finish this CD and 665 01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,960 we're ready to go to bed we've done that with some of our parks with Bowling 666 01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:14,520 Green Park and villages Carmel we went in with hundred percent CDs and we are 667 01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:18,520 lucky to be awarded so we feel that's putting us in a much better place 668 01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:26,320 compared to our competitors that are applying for the same amount of money so 669 01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:32,000 in summary we are continually going to be aggressive and strategically take 670 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:38,560 advantage of those opportunities for third-party funding we are not going to 671 01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:43,520 simply rely on what we have in our operating budget or in a general fund 672 01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:47,440 budget because to do what we want and what we want to do for the community is 673 01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:52,760 not possible alone with just the city's resources so they're giving those 674 01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:56,160 resources to somebody and we're going to get it we're going to do everything we 675 01:01:56,160 --> 01:02:01,960 can to get that funding so going after local state federal nonprofit matches 676 01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:08,160 that varies like I said it could be 20% to a hundred percent and again it's very 677 01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:13,320 competitive key focus areas planning and design get that going as quickly as 678 01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:18,160 possible and have that ready to roll so we can go after those grants multimodal 679 01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:22,920 infrastructure so we're providing anybody wants walk jog rollerblade bike 680 01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:28,440 to and from work across the city connectivity looking for those 681 01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,480 opportunities to connect to neighborhoods as new development 682 01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:37,040 occurs to bring people down to the core of the city whether you're Robeson or 683 01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:41,720 in a northeast at Lake Ray Roberts we want to provide you a way to get to this 684 01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:46,160 the downtown connecting the schools obviously safe routes to schools is 685 01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:51,920 important trailhead amenities lighting for safety trail heads for start and 686 01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:57,680 stop points resting points landscaping for beautification wildlife irrigation 687 01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:03,920 to keep all that alive benches signage etc and then some of the projects that 688 01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:08,280 we already mentioned so I guess one of the questions is what would be included 689 01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:13,920 in a bond initiative if a set amount would be placed there so that's 690 01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:17,600 something to talk about right now we talked about pecan Creek and Hickory 691 01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:22,120 Creek those are the two largest projects that we have some of those are going to 692 01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:26,520 be done in phases it's not going to be done from point a to point Z we're going 693 01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:30,480 to have to break that up sometimes we have road projects that it may meander 694 01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:35,680 onto that we have to wait for that to take place sometimes work with the Army 695 01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:39,160 Corps of Engineers it may may take a little longer so it would be broken up 696 01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:45,020 into manageable phases which pecan Creek trail is Cooper Creek trail extension 697 01:03:45,020 --> 01:03:49,000 working with UNT working with a private developer developer working with 698 01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:54,640 neighborhoods and working with our own city of all opportunities powerline 699 01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:58,120 easements we've already talked to DME about this we've got them on board and 700 01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:02,600 with regards to a process and how that would work and off-road trails we could 701 01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:09,120 do within our own park property which are the easiest so as of today we're 702 01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:12,920 proposing 15 million dollars like like I mentioned earlier that would get us 703 01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:18,800 about seven eight miles of trails but we want to use that as a nest egg or an 704 01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:24,200 investment to expand that to a larger amount by going after France and 705 01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:29,960 getting those lined up that could help us with the concrete Cooper Hickory Creek 706 01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:33,800 and other trail amenities and connectivity opportunities now we also 707 01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:37,440 want to make sure that those trails are spread out through the entire city so 708 01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:42,600 that's an opportunity for discussion but right now we're looking about 1.8 to 2 709 01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:49,040 million dollars a mile some of the examples of trails that we're doing 710 01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:55,120 shared use trails side paths that like May Hill was a side path powerline 711 01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:59,520 easement that area on the hills of Denton north of the loop from 428 to 712 01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:04,240 Bonnie Bray that's kind of what you would see there soft surface trails 713 01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:08,720 Clear Creek for example mountain bike trails that we're building at South 714 01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:14,440 Lakes Park and Hartley Field that we've done with volunteers wildflower trail we 715 01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:18,360 have at North Lakes Park doesn't look as good as that but that's still that's a 716 01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:24,240 goal for us dirt bike we have dirt bike trails we just mentioned we also looked 717 01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:29,560 at ATV trails there is funding from Texas Parks and Wildlife and we have 718 01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:33,240 property out by the airport where you could use it for four-wheelers or to 719 01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:37,280 two-wheel motocross was an option since there's not a lot of housing out there 720 01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:43,400 equestrian trails we do have trails that go up to Lake Ray Roberts for horses and 721 01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:49,040 then just basic trail amenities bridges obviously are expensive or underpasses 722 01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:54,600 that's where it starts adding into your your costs lighting beautification park 723 01:05:54,600 --> 01:06:02,240 furnishing signage and trail heads so that's a presentation on trail 724 01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:08,600 development thanks Gary in keeping with our newly discovered process we're gonna 725 01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:13,600 move into a time of open Q&A so we will have time for discussion and comments 726 01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:18,160 that'll come later but this is time to be able to pose Gary or anyone else on 727 01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:24,160 staff with questions about the proposal start up here or you want to help Gary 728 01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:28,360 thanks for a great presentation you mentioned the safe routes to school is 729 01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,160 one of the goals that you guys have and trying to achieve with your park 730 01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:34,600 investments can you talk about specifically how these trail projects 731 01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:39,400 address that goal and what schools they may serve so before I go any further I 732 01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:42,960 just want to introduce two staff members fence a Espinoza and Chris Escoto in our 733 01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:46,560 back they're part of our planning team they helped do a lot of this work so I 734 01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:50,400 just want to definitely mention them in regards to safe routes of schools this is 735 01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:54,080 something that we definitely work with our city engineer Becky Davini and 736 01:06:54,080 --> 01:07:00,400 Trevor crane on their efforts along the major roadways they're they're building a 737 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:06,040 lot of trails for us so May Hill that's part of their project where we may have 738 01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:10,880 had a five-foot trail at some point in time we've changed our philosophy for it 739 01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:15,360 to be a ten-foot wide trail to take advantage of that opportunity and really 740 01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:19,920 capitalize off that so as they're designing roads they're looking that 741 01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:24,420 that opportunity as well as as we're planning from a park perspective how we 742 01:07:24,420 --> 01:07:30,440 can connect the dots whether it's a park to another park a neighborhood to a park 743 01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:36,160 a park to a downtown or a park to a school and a school to a neighborhood so 744 01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:40,280 we're trying to identify those opportunities and it's really one by 745 01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:47,860 one as we work through our development team with the city wide effort as a new 746 01:07:47,860 --> 01:07:52,400 apartment comes in that's on the north side of Pecan Creek Trail for example 747 01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:57,640 that we encourage them to create a connect to connection point down to our 748 01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:03,400 trail and that includes sometimes them building the trail we've had some of the 749 01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:09,880 developments put in a couple parking spots for that's like a trailhead so 750 01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:16,560 their residents can get on the trail and use that to walk to a school Ryan Road 751 01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:20,280 is not the Ryan high school is not that far from there so we're trying to plan 752 01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:26,160 those efforts to make sure we get from Pecan Creek up to McKinney to get kids 753 01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:31,720 up onto the McKinney Trail that is that has been built for the most part so 754 01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,600 that's kind of an example of how we're trying to take advantage of those 755 01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:38,760 opportunities not just with parks and recreation but also engineering in the 756 01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:45,840 city is a that's a wider scope any other questions 757 01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:55,440 so basically you would be asking the committee to give you a set amount of 758 01:08:55,440 --> 01:09:00,360 money say 15 million do we as a committee have any input or any further 759 01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:06,400 input on how that 15 million would be spent so so we have a recommendation on 760 01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:12,440 kind of like where our higher priorities are that we're working on today I think 761 01:09:12,440 --> 01:09:17,840 there's an those four trails like that would be but obviously they're I mean 762 01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:23,160 that cost is more than the 15 right you would do it in phases but which phase 763 01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:28,160 would you do with first or that's I really can't answer that question right 764 01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:33,640 now I know we picked out a couple phases of Pecan Creek because they were the 765 01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:37,440 easiest ones to do at this point in time because the grant timeline it's like okay 766 01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:42,160 we can make this work let's let's go after these phases if there's a phase 767 01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:46,360 where it's all city property and we're to own it that could be pretty quick if 768 01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:50,760 there's an area along Hickory Creek where we have to buy a piece of property we 769 01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:57,240 may have to skip that and come back to it now Hickory Creek the advantage of 770 01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:04,600 that one is coal ranch is a major section of that basically from 35 to Tom 771 01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:10,720 Cole and they are going to build that for us so we already can count that as 772 01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:18,920 kind of already accounted for but we've been acquiring land from 35 all the way 773 01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:23,600 down to basically old Alton bridge and there's like two more pieces that we 774 01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:29,240 need to get that so we can kind of go all the way through now that doesn't 775 01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:33,120 mean where we can go build the whole thing at one time it depends on costs 776 01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,160 depends on if there's another construction project going on the city 777 01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:40,480 that we may want to wait and be part of that or wait till it's over so it's it's 778 01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:44,880 not easy to be able to say we're just going to roll out and do from a to from 779 01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:50,240 point a to point B we can give you a sense of we'll work on trails in these 780 01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:56,000 general areas so it needs to be somewhat specific probably maybe related back to 781 01:10:56,000 --> 01:11:01,680 our park master plan but yet somewhat giving us some flexibility because if we 782 01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:08,760 lock ourselves into just three projects that may extend the timeline if there's 783 01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:13,160 a challenge and there will be a challenge every project has it in regards 784 01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:18,040 to utilizing the bond funding in a quick fashion because I know that's one of the 785 01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:25,280 goals too you mentioned how many miles of trails we currently have how many 786 01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:31,880 miles of trails are available either in the city proper or just outside to our 787 01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:36,040 to didn't citizens that are already funded by textile that are already 788 01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:40,080 funded by you know national parks in other words are there things available 789 01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:47,680 currently to our citizens that are are sponsored by these other entities so 790 01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:54,440 sponsored or built by okay well that's I don't have that exact example because 791 01:11:54,440 --> 01:11:58,680 we've used a lot of grant funding to build various trails throughout the city 792 01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:02,480 we'd have to go back and do some research to figure out how they were all 793 01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:10,560 built going through the past we do have trails that go from University to Lake 794 01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:15,240 Ray Roberts that's on Army Corps of Engineer property that the city has a 795 01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:21,080 lease with Dallas and then we turn around and sublease it back to Texas 796 01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:28,040 Parks and Wildlife and they manage those and all that property everything else 797 01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:37,120 that's on there we manage for the most part that are city property that helps 798 01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:44,000 I have a question on usage do you have traffic flow for the trails that are 799 01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:49,480 available or a percentage of the citizens of Denton that are using these 800 01:12:49,480 --> 01:12:55,040 facilities or a numerical number for the people that are actually using all of 801 01:12:55,040 --> 01:13:01,800 these facilities thank you yeah great question the short answer is no the 802 01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:06,200 technology is starting to get there to a point where we can put basically 803 01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:10,280 outdoor traffic counts counters on the trails and that's one thing we want to 804 01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:18,080 do we're working to get a economic development tool like a placer AI that 805 01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:21,880 you can use to actually create polygons and see how many people have gone through 806 01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:27,880 those polygons through phone technology so we're hoping that would help but there 807 01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:33,280 is a duration on that in relation to they have to be in that polygon for a 808 01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:37,400 certain amount of time so that even that may not be a hundred percent accurate 809 01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:41,960 for trails it would be great for parks so we can probably determine how many 810 01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:49,840 people were in our park to get somewhat close could you describe in the scope of 811 01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:54,200 this proposed bond if you're considering land acquisition as part of the trail 812 01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:58,000 development process or is that separate in terms of the purchase order for you 813 01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:02,680 the 15 million dollars would go really quick it'd be could go quicker than the 814 01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:08,020 trail development if land and right now no it's just for actual bricks and mortar 815 01:14:08,020 --> 01:14:14,040 to build the trails so we've we spent a lot of time buying the land with past 816 01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:18,360 bond program funding as well as working with our development community to try to 817 01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:26,840 acquire that land so we could get to this point where now we're developing it 818 01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:32,080 can we get like a matrix of your priorities for the 15 million dollars 819 01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:36,360 with maybe like you know pecan Creek trails gonna be three million dollars 820 01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:40,360 and maybe some of the color that you talked about earlier just so as we're 821 01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:43,920 making decisions you know on what we need to do we can kind of been be 822 01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:47,720 informed about what the priorities are from your perspective along with the 823 01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:53,080 cost absolutely thank you and that they they're not hard numbers they would be 824 01:14:53,080 --> 01:15:02,880 rough estimates I said after him catch those two in the parks trail master plan 825 01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:08,840 it lists recommended easement trails as well as a possibility for expansion one 826 01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:12,480 of the things that's listed is pecan Creek is that the same as the pecan 827 01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:18,440 Creek trails that are listed up here as your idea and if so is that the easement 828 01:15:18,440 --> 01:15:22,720 that runs along the creek that crosses like the loop and locust has that land 829 01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:29,720 already been acquired so pecan Creek if would basically start basically the DCTA 830 01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:35,240 trail it would be on street for a small section and then Fred Moore Park East 831 01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:41,800 along the creek up to Carl Young over to Woodrow down through a section that's 832 01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:47,440 private development the developer is still kind of in flux in regards to what 833 01:15:47,440 --> 01:15:50,600 he's gonna do we do have an alternate plan that would go down to Shady Oaks and 834 01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:56,760 then into pebble brook and basically city property north side of the landfill 835 01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:01,280 on the north side of the creek all the way down to Louisville so concrete and 836 01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:08,320 Hickory Creek are almost all accessible for the most part whether we own it or 837 01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:16,240 we have an easement or we have to finalize an easement except for a couple 838 01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:21,360 pieces of property so I think we've put ourselves in a really good position 839 01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:25,880 considering the length of those projects have a quick follow-up on that piece to 840 01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:29,920 the east is it is there an opportunity to use tree mitigation funds for some of 841 01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:34,200 those areas because they're so heavily wooded and represent some of our post 842 01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:41,920 oaks and areas that we'd like to save so we can use tree mitigation funds for 843 01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:48,600 land acquisition to preserve trees and to plant trees and for some staffing and 844 01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:54,000 marketing there's a percentage it's like 45 5 50 percent I can't remember if 845 01:16:54,000 --> 01:17:01,000 acquisitions 50% or 45% but not for trail development that that is an 846 01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:06,360 outline today in that process and that's not how we've used it in the past 847 01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:11,760 all right last open question go ahead Gary there's I know state has a lot of 848 01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:17,600 special rules for Parks Department or Parks in general my understanding is to 849 01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:22,000 sell parkland must be a vote of the citizens but to sell city property is 850 01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:28,080 just a vote of council so if the citizens vote for this package just like 851 01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:33,240 the bond oversight committee and City Council has the ability down the road to 852 01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:37,400 adjust how those funds are used you know put a little bit more on this roadway 853 01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:43,480 package instead of this roadway package are these locked strictly to parks these 854 01:17:43,480 --> 01:17:49,680 projects or the 15 million is approved would that be locked strictly to the 855 01:17:49,680 --> 01:18:04,840 parks I think John the answer to that is yes because of how it's on the ballot so 856 01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:10,920 if you have on the ballot parks projects the money that's approved by the voter 857 01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:16,440 for parks projects can only be spent on parks projects it can't be spent on 858 01:18:16,440 --> 01:18:22,120 roadways or fire stations it has to be spent on that if that's how it's on the 859 01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:27,480 ballot and I think that the ballot restrictions have gotten a lot to get 860 01:18:27,480 --> 01:18:34,240 tighter in terms of how those things get on the ballot just to add to that there 861 01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:38,340 there's a section of Hickory Creek there are a couple sections where it's 862 01:18:38,340 --> 01:18:43,920 actually following a roadway the Hickory Creek overpass and that general area 863 01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:50,920 there is part of another project that wouldn't be part of this these would be 864 01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:57,920 either in mostly in park property in easements that are retained for the 865 01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:08,080 purpose of the trail probably those options for the most part all right next 866 01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:13,320 according to our process is to move into a time of small group discussion to 867 01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:18,960 reflect a bit at your table and ask some questions among your fellow table mates 868 01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:25,200 and we're gonna take probably we'll see how much chatter there is maybe tap it 869 01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:29,680 at five minutes and then we're gonna come back for open discussion 870 01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:45,320 , thank you. 871 01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:15,320 [SIDE CONVERSATION] 872 01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:46,320 [SIDE CONVERSATION] 873 01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:16,320 [SIDE CONVERSATION] 874 01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:46,320 [SIDE CONVERSATION] 875 01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:19,320 Whether or not it's in this year, whether or not it's in now, that's a good question. And that's a good question. 876 01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:21,320 And that's a very good question. 877 01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:23,320 But I'm not sure if it's in this year. 878 01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:25,320 If it's in this year, it's fine. 879 01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:27,320 Unless it's in this year, it's fine. 880 01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:31,320 Well, that's the thing. They can't even apply for those rates. 881 01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:33,320 They don't have these problems. 882 01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:35,320 Because it has to be matched. 883 01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:37,320 Right. 884 01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:39,320 So, two billion that they already have. 885 01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:43,320 Yeah. 886 01:22:43,320 --> 01:23:07,320 [inaudible] 887 01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:09,320 How would that help? 888 01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:11,320 How would that help? 889 01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:33,320 [inaudible] 890 01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:59,320 [inaudible] 891 01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:27,320 [inaudible] 892 01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:55,320 [inaudible] 893 01:24:55,320 --> 01:25:05,320 [inaudible] 894 01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:07,320 Let's take about another minute. 895 01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:35,320 [inaudible] 896 01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:37,320 [laughter] 897 01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,320 Not me. 898 01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:41,320 [laughter] 899 01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:43,320 I'm too old. 900 01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:45,320 [laughter] 901 01:25:45,320 --> 01:26:13,320 [inaudible] 902 01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:17,320 [inaudible] 903 01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:19,320 All right. 904 01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:24,320 The beautiful noise of chatter and discussion and questions. 905 01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:27,320 I love it. 906 01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:29,320 What we're moving into now is a time. 907 01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:31,320 You might have a question that came out of this. 908 01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:34,320 So, Gary, you're not completely off the hot seat. 909 01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:42,320 But the idea of this is now moving beyond questions to just general comments, discussion, ideas from this team. 910 01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:46,320 So, anyone want to kick things off with a comment? 911 01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:48,320 Since I didn't ask a question. 912 01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:50,320 Go for it. 913 01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:55,320 I just wanted to point out to the group, I follow a lot of the active transportation funding federally and in the state. 914 01:26:55,320 --> 01:27:02,320 And I can tell you, this last infrastructure bill at the federal level was the biggest active transportation amount they've ever put out there. 915 01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:07,320 So, there's a whole lot more external funding for us right now for this type of project. 916 01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:12,320 And I did some rough math. 917 01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:19,320 If we put up 15 million and we get lucky and we get that 80% match for all of that, we could build $75 million worth of trails. 918 01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:24,320 So, we can get a big return on this investment in addition to any economic development that it spurs as well. 919 01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:31,320 [inaudible] 920 01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:38,320 So, at our table, we had a difficult time kind of visualizing where the trails were. 921 01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:46,320 So, the question would be, is there an existing place where we could go and see that? 922 01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:48,320 I think we're all visual people, right? 923 01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:51,320 So, it would be really good if there was an app. 924 01:27:51,320 --> 01:28:00,320 Because I think that would be something that would be very attractive to people looking to move to Denton to see the trails that were available. 925 01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:05,320 And particularly if they're neighborhood-based. 926 01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:06,320 Do you have a response to that? 927 01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:09,320 Just because is there a map like that that exists? 928 01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:13,320 And if not, can something be provided for us to be able to visualize the recommendations? 929 01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:15,320 Yes, we do have a map. 930 01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:18,320 It looks like a plate of spaghetti, full disclosure. 931 01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:26,320 But we can pull out some of the other layers and clean it up and provide it to you along with the matrix that was requested. 932 01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:31,320 And make sure that's in a spot that is easily accessible online as well. 933 01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:40,320 And in the future, would it be possible to do something that is visually appealing for people when they look at maps? 934 01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:42,320 I know that's a map. 935 01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:46,320 He's saying put some marketing pizzazz to it. 936 01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:51,320 Yeah, we pretty much have a detailed list of what we have. 937 01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:56,320 We haven't really sold the sizzle on what we want to do in regards to what you're saying. 938 01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:58,320 But that's definitely something we can look at adding. 939 01:28:58,320 --> 01:28:59,320 Awesome. 940 01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:00,320 Thank you. 941 01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:02,320 Did you have your hand raised before? 942 01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:04,320 Was there a follow-up to that? 943 01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:05,320 You got it. 944 01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:07,320 Okay, second. 945 01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:11,320 Are we seeing any trails on Saturday? 946 01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:15,320 Are trails a part of the Saturday field trip? 947 01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:17,320 They are not. 948 01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:25,320 Self-guided opportunity for you this weekend. 949 01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:29,320 At our table, we were wanting more clarification. 950 01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:35,320 We know that the $15 million are going to be considered for all of those that are up there. 951 01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:37,320 Is there a priority number one? 952 01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:38,320 Number two? 953 01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:42,320 Because we may not be able to get all those miles of completion. 954 01:29:42,320 --> 01:30:07,320 So what is the priority for the $15 million if we get nothing else? 955 01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:12,320 So one of the things we talked about at our table was, well, you know, what if we get down to it 956 01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:16,320 and we're feeling really good about trails, we're feeling really good about millions for trails, 957 01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:22,320 but we think it ought to be 16 or we think it ought to be 10 or we think it ought to be 9 or 11. 958 01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:24,320 But that's something we as a committee get to do. 959 01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:27,320 That's the process we voted on on the green pages, on the green slides. 960 01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:29,320 So we're going to have an opportunity to do that. 961 01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:32,320 Just because a proposal is 15 doesn't mean it has to stick at 15. 962 01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:34,320 And that's the same for all the rest of the proposals. 963 01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:35,320 We'll get wiggle room. 964 01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:40,320 And I also want to put in a plug for trails as economic development. 965 01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:44,320 There are tons of studies on this that even if people aren't trail users, 966 01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:49,320 and I'm not a very good mic user, even if people aren't trail users, they wish they were. 967 01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:53,320 And they want to be in a place where maybe their kids are going to be or whatever. 968 01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:55,320 They want to be in that kind of place. 969 01:30:55,320 --> 01:31:02,320 So trails as economic development has a lot of really good research behind it. 970 01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:06,320 Thanks. Any other comments before we move on to the next topic? 971 01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:08,320 Again, written Q&A. 972 01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:13,320 Feel free to use that QR code on these half sheets on this topic or anything along the way. 973 01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:15,320 That's the other segment of this. 974 01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:17,320 So you guys are doing great. 975 01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:23,320 Let's move on to the next topic, which is animal shelter. 976 01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:24,320 All right. 977 01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:28,320 Let's hear it for the animal shelter. 978 01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:30,320 Whatever you need it to be. 979 01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:32,320 Good evening. I'm Tiffany Thompson. 980 01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:35,320 I'm the director here of customer service and animal services. 981 01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:38,320 And first, I see a lot of supporters out there. 982 01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:40,320 Some of y'all have adopted an animal. 983 01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:42,320 I want to say thank you for that. 984 01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:45,320 I know y'all got some amazing goodie bags at your first meeting. 985 01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:48,320 I was told I could not provide a puppy or a kitten in your bag. 986 01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:55,320 However, I can make your dreams come true soon tonight if you like. 987 01:31:55,320 --> 01:32:00,320 So the Linda McNack Animal Care and Adoption Center, we have 22 employees. 988 01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:05,320 We are in an 18,156-square-foot building. 989 01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:07,320 We are a seven-day-a-week operation. 990 01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:11,320 The shelter is open to the public Monday through Saturday, 10 to 5. 991 01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:17,320 And then our staff is there from approximately 6 a.m. to 6 p.m., seven days a week. 992 01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:22,320 And then our field operations are 24 hours, seven days a week. 993 01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:26,320 So just real quickly, this is one of the newer buildings that you're seeing on the bond. 994 01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:30,320 This really is about operability for the animal shelter. 995 01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:32,320 It is a building that was built in 2015, 996 01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:35,320 so we're really going to be focusing on the expansion that was already planned 997 01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:37,320 when this building originally went in. 998 01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:41,320 We have two needs for ADA, two small needs. 999 01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:45,320 This is our small dog yard, has a slope, and then there's one sidewalk. 1000 01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:48,320 So I'm going to get those addressed pretty quickly. 1001 01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:51,320 So a little bit of timeline on the animal shelter, 1002 01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:54,320 because you're going to see a lot of things, challenges throughout this presentation, 1003 01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:59,320 but I first want to say that this was the Taj Mahal of animal shelters when we built it. 1004 01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:03,320 It is an amazing facility that we are still incredibly proud of. 1005 01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:07,320 So timeline, the Denton Animal Support Foundation decided 1006 01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:11,320 that they wanted to really spearhead getting a new shelter. 1007 01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:16,320 So they went out to the public, and through the Denton Animal Support Foundation, 1008 01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:22,320 they raised 30% of the $6 million cost to build the shelter. 1009 01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:24,320 So it is an amazing public-private partnership. 1010 01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:27,320 We still have an amazing partnership with them today. 1011 01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:32,320 So they really are one of the biggest reasons why we have this beautiful facility that we have now. 1012 01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:37,320 In 2008, the master plan for the shelter was adopted by Council. 1013 01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:42,320 The goal in that original master plan was to meet the needs through 2017. 1014 01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:48,320 The original plan and scope did have an anticipation date of opening of the shelter of 2009. 1015 01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:56,320 So those same kennel spaces that were planned in 2008 is what was ultimately built and opened in 2015. 1016 01:33:56,320 --> 01:34:00,320 So we've done a really great job about utilizing the facility as best as we could, 1017 01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:03,320 but we're just at that time where we need to expand. 1018 01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:10,320 So groundbreaking occurred in 2012 for construction, and we opened the shelter in 2015. 1019 01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:12,320 So this is one of my most favorite pictures. 1020 01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:19,320 So this is a great example of how some animals come into the shelter and how they leave after rehabilitation. 1021 01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:27,320 This guy was sent out to foster care, gained 17 pounds, became incredibly healthy, and was adopted out. 1022 01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:32,320 So last year we took in approximately 4,800 animals, 3,000 adoptions. 1023 01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:36,320 650 animals were unified back to their owner, so that's amazing. 1024 01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:40,320 If you lost your animal, we were able to unify 651 people. 1025 01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:44,320 7,100 fill calls, 43,000 customer contacts. 1026 01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:49,320 And we also have a pet food pantry that we will provide pet food to anyone, no questions asked. 1027 01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:52,320 You just come to the shelter and we'll give you what you need. 1028 01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:54,320 So some of the challenges. 1029 01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:58,320 One thing I want to note that we do have an interlocal agreement with Denton County. 1030 01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:04,320 So approximately 10 to 15 percent of our animal intake does come from Denton County, 1031 01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:08,320 mainly coming from the north areas where there is not animal shelters. 1032 01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:11,320 So we do have a full cost recovery with that. 1033 01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:16,320 But that certainly is part of some of our capacity challenges right now. 1034 01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:20,320 By 2030, we're anticipated to increase by 38 percent. 1035 01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:26,320 Our capacity right now is 114 dogs and 164 cats. 1036 01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:29,320 We are at capacity right now at the animal shelter. 1037 01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:35,320 I want to note that we have 44 dogs currently out in foster care and we have 160 cats out in foster care as well. 1038 01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:40,320 So if you could imagine if we were having to take in all of those animals without the support of the community, 1039 01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:42,320 how greater of an issue that would be for us. 1040 01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:44,320 So again, thank you to our supporters. 1041 01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:47,320 We do currently have a wait list of 100 animals. 1042 01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:53,320 I want to highlight that if there's an animal that is incredibly unwell or aggressive, 1043 01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:55,320 we take those animals immediately. 1044 01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:56,320 They're not on a wait list. 1045 01:35:56,320 --> 01:36:01,320 A wait list would mean, hey, I don't think I can care for my dog anymore. 1046 01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:03,320 It may be something to do with they can't feed them anymore. 1047 01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:06,320 So we would provide food or maybe they're moving. 1048 01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:11,320 So we really work with those people to say we want to try to keep that animal out of the shelter. 1049 01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:14,320 So we have a wait list that we work through. 1050 01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:18,320 One of the other reasons why we have a wait list, number one, we're at capacity consistently. 1051 01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:22,320 Two things we do not do at the Denton Animal Services. 1052 01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:26,320 We do not euthanize for space and we will not warehouse animals. 1053 01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:29,320 So what that means is we don't have pop-up kennels. 1054 01:36:29,320 --> 01:36:31,320 A lot of shelters will do that. 1055 01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:37,320 They have 164 kennels, but they may have 100 more pop-up kennels in hallways, 1056 01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:39,320 wherever available real estate there is. 1057 01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:44,320 We do not do that because we want to make sure the animals in our care have adequate space 1058 01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:47,320 to be able to be comfortable as possible in the shelter environment. 1059 01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:50,320 I just wanted to give you a little bit of information on that. 1060 01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:54,320 So currently because of our capacity, we don't have enough kennel space. 1061 01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:56,320 We need to expand. 1062 01:36:56,320 --> 01:37:00,320 As you can imagine, the laundry -- I took this picture last week. 1063 01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:02,320 There's a lot of laundry that goes on. 1064 01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:06,320 Every animal gets a clean blanket every day and fresh dishes and sanitized dishes. 1065 01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:09,320 So that is a true case. 1066 01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:13,320 We do not have a designated housing area for small and furry animals. 1067 01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:16,320 So that's guinea pigs, rats. 1068 01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:18,320 We have rats right now in the shelter. 1069 01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:22,320 I may have not walked closely to that this afternoon. 1070 01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:25,320 We have squirrels, any type of small and furry. 1071 01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:26,320 We don't have a designated area. 1072 01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:31,320 So right now they're in these kennels in our training room or they're out front. 1073 01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:33,320 And whenever you walk in, you can see a little guinea pig. 1074 01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:37,320 So we want to make sure there's a designated space for our small and furry animals. 1075 01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:43,320 Also, our animal intake area is currently -- you walk into the lobby or you pull into the back. 1076 01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:49,320 This middle picture right here are two doors that should be used for animal intake area. 1077 01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:50,320 We have our vet clinic. 1078 01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:53,320 We do surgeries four days a week at the animal shelter. 1079 01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:55,320 That's currently at the front of the shelter. 1080 01:37:55,320 --> 01:38:04,320 We want to be able to move that back and gain efficiency so people can come in these front doors to drop off their animals for intakes. 1081 01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:07,320 So all of our turped areas need to be replaced at this time. 1082 01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:09,320 Turp is supposed to last eight to ten years. 1083 01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:11,320 So we're exactly where we're supposed to be. 1084 01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:13,320 We do have some dips. 1085 01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:15,320 Obviously, animals, when they get outside, they're pretty excited. 1086 01:38:15,320 --> 01:38:19,320 So they're going to do everything they can just to buy some time. 1087 01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:21,320 So it is an opportunity for us to replace the turf. 1088 01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:24,320 Our exercise kennels are our kennels that are outside. 1089 01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:28,320 Whenever we need to clean the kennel, every kennel gets cleaned every single day. 1090 01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:32,320 We need to move that animal out of the kennel so we can properly clean it. 1091 01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:35,320 That is on the other side of the shelter. 1092 01:38:35,320 --> 01:38:41,320 So what happens is we're physically moving that animal to a very long distance. 1093 01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:44,320 And one of the dangers of that is cross-contamination. 1094 01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:46,320 They're also very large dogs. 1095 01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:49,320 You can imagine being pulled by a 120-pound dog back and forth. 1096 01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:51,320 It's very labor-intensive. 1097 01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:57,320 So there's an opportunity for us to relocate that to also save steps and time for our staff. 1098 01:38:57,320 --> 01:39:03,320 Sorry, gross picture, but that is a toilet where we actually take the feces out of the kennels and flush it. 1099 01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:05,320 That is continually problematic. 1100 01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:07,320 So we just need to take that out. 1101 01:39:07,320 --> 01:39:13,320 So there's an opportunity to get a better use of that space. 1102 01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:18,320 Our HVAC system currently needs to be replaced and revamped. 1103 01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:24,320 What we have found is that not all areas have 100% intake. 1104 01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:27,320 And so that currently allows for cross-contamination. 1105 01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:32,320 One of the greatest dangers in an animal shelter is a virus outbreak. 1106 01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:35,320 It is incredibly hard to catch. 1107 01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:39,320 And once it's in the shelter, it's incredibly damaging. 1108 01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:41,320 Last summer, we had the Khaleesi virus outbreak. 1109 01:39:41,320 --> 01:39:45,320 That's an upper respiratory virus with felines. 1110 01:39:45,320 --> 01:39:47,320 A lot of times they're asymptomatic. 1111 01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:49,320 They don't even know they're sick until they're sick. 1112 01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:53,320 And we did have to euthanize 120 cats last summer. 1113 01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:57,320 So cross-contamination, air ventilation is crucial. 1114 01:39:57,320 --> 01:40:01,320 Sometimes those virus outbreaks usually happen approximately once a year. 1115 01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:08,320 Unfortunately, that is not -- every shelter is at that danger and at risk of that. 1116 01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:11,320 So that isn't something that you don't see everywhere else. 1117 01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:14,320 That's just part of the shelter environment. 1118 01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:19,320 However, we have found that some of these rooms are sharing a system. 1119 01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:23,320 So a healthy cat room is sharing a system with an isolated cat room. 1120 01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:27,320 So that's one of the dangers that we have right now. 1121 01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:30,320 And then when you walk up to the shelter, we have these amazing little cutout boxes. 1122 01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:32,320 That's a cat porch. 1123 01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:35,320 And so the intention of that room, as you walk into the shelter, 1124 01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:38,320 you see these little fluffy cats in the window. 1125 01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:40,320 You're like, oh, let's get a little fluffy. 1126 01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:44,320 You look up here, there is no ventilation in these rooms. 1127 01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:46,320 So we can't house cats in there. 1128 01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:50,320 So if we hit capacity for our felines, we can move a couple on there. 1129 01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:53,320 So if we do have them in there for a visitation, 1130 01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:58,320 they're only in there for a very small amount of time. 1131 01:40:58,320 --> 01:41:01,320 We do not have sufficient rest areas for our staff. 1132 01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:06,320 As you can imagine, Animal Services is a very labor-intensive operation. 1133 01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:09,320 So we want to be able to provide them a good resting place. 1134 01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:11,320 Also, sorry, gross picture again. 1135 01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:13,320 This is a hoarding case. 1136 01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:19,320 And then some of the delicious animals that we get to pick up out in the field that are rather smelly. 1137 01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:21,320 We do not have showers for our staff. 1138 01:41:21,320 --> 01:41:24,320 So they do not have a way to clean off before going home. 1139 01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:29,320 So that's something that we would like to be able to provide them as well. 1140 01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:31,320 So spacing for staff. 1141 01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:33,320 We are bunked up with each other. 1142 01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:36,320 This middle picture is actually our conference room. 1143 01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:40,320 So all of us are just bunking up as best as we can. 1144 01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:41,320 We don't have adequate space anymore. 1145 01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:43,320 We've gone through that. 1146 01:41:43,320 --> 01:41:46,320 And there's a lot of shelving throughout the shelter that's just really high. 1147 01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:51,320 And it's nonfunctional because you can't reach it. 1148 01:41:51,320 --> 01:41:57,320 So the intention of the proposal is to expand the animal shelter facility at our current site. 1149 01:41:57,320 --> 01:42:00,320 It's approximately $13 million to do that. 1150 01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:04,320 We're going to increase the capacity to be able to take in more animals, 1151 01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:09,320 change the functionality to increase how we can better operate, 1152 01:42:09,320 --> 01:42:12,320 and then obviously replace the HVAC system. 1153 01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:15,320 These first two pictures are from the original master plan. 1154 01:42:15,320 --> 01:42:18,320 So expansion was always part of the plan at the shelter. 1155 01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:22,320 They knew we were going to need it at some point for that. 1156 01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:25,320 So those were some proposals where it could go. 1157 01:42:25,320 --> 01:42:28,320 This is a bird's eye view currently, that third picture. 1158 01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:34,320 So that's where the proposed expansion would go as well. 1159 01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:35,320 This is one of my favorite pictures. 1160 01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:37,320 That was an animal at the shelter. 1161 01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:39,320 That's my cartoon dog. 1162 01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:41,320 And I am most happy to answer any questions. 1163 01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:43,320 I did want to introduce Shelly Meeks. 1164 01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:44,320 She's coming up here as well. 1165 01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:46,320 We'll tag team the questions for you. 1166 01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:50,320 She is our animal services manager. 1167 01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:51,320 All right. 1168 01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:52,320 Thank you, Tiffany. 1169 01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:53,320 Questions? 1170 01:42:53,320 --> 01:42:55,320 Start with Suzy. 1171 01:42:55,320 --> 01:43:00,320 Tiffany, so I was at the dog park one night and observed a dog get abandoned, 1172 01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:03,320 and Mindy actually kind of helped me take care of it. 1173 01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:08,320 And I afterwards was wondering if it could have been because of the wait list. 1174 01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:11,320 I was wondering if that person maybe couldn't get the dog in the dog park, 1175 01:43:11,320 --> 01:43:15,320 so he just abandoned it or take it to the animal shelter. 1176 01:43:15,320 --> 01:43:18,320 So I was wondering if he abandoned it at the dog park as a means of getting it 1177 01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:19,320 into the animal shelter. 1178 01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:25,320 So my question is, right now, if you're at capacity and you'll pick up a dog 1179 01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:29,320 that's abandoned or lost or whatever, what do you all do with that dog right now 1180 01:43:29,320 --> 01:43:31,320 when you're at capacity? 1181 01:43:31,320 --> 01:43:34,320 So we find a stranded dog that absolutely comes into the shelter. 1182 01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:35,320 It's not denied. 1183 01:43:35,320 --> 01:43:37,320 We don't say, "Hey, go hang around Bill Avenue." 1184 01:43:37,320 --> 01:43:38,320 We absolutely pick it up. 1185 01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:43,320 We take it to the shelter and take care of that animal. 1186 01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:46,320 Any questions out here? 1187 01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:51,320 Well, mine is not really a question about the facility, except my question is, 1188 01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:57,320 why are the pictures, the materials in our notebooks, so small? 1189 01:43:57,320 --> 01:43:59,320 We can hardly see it. 1190 01:43:59,320 --> 01:44:03,320 And when there's writing there, we can't read what that is. 1191 01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:05,320 It's underneath the pictures. 1192 01:44:05,320 --> 01:44:09,320 Can we have the materials be a little bit larger? 1193 01:44:09,320 --> 01:44:13,320 I think that's some great feedback that we can take into consideration. 1194 01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:14,320 Yeah. 1195 01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:16,320 I think they're trying to put two to page, but I think you're asking for larger 1196 01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:17,320 so you can see the graphics. 1197 01:44:17,320 --> 01:44:18,320 That's helpful. 1198 01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:19,320 Thanks, Lenny. 1199 01:44:19,320 --> 01:44:21,320 Up there. 1200 01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:28,320 So with the proposed $13 million, is that -- I know we planned this last one in 2014, 1201 01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:30,320 '15? 1202 01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:32,320 They did the master plan in 2008. 1203 01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:33,320 Okay. 1204 01:44:33,320 --> 01:44:35,320 How far does this next $13 million get? 1205 01:44:35,320 --> 01:44:37,320 Is that good till 2035? 1206 01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:39,320 It will be an additional 10 years. 1207 01:44:39,320 --> 01:44:40,320 10 years? 1208 01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:41,320 Okay. 1209 01:44:41,320 --> 01:44:43,320 But it is in combination with effective programs. 1210 01:44:43,320 --> 01:44:48,320 For example, the foster program, microchip your animals, 1211 01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:50,320 want to put that plug out there, for that. 1212 01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:53,320 So it's in combination of making sure we have effective programs. 1213 01:44:53,320 --> 01:44:57,320 Like the 44 dogs we have in foster right now, the 164 cats, 1214 01:44:57,320 --> 01:45:00,320 we need to continue to expand on those programs to make sure 1215 01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:03,320 that we can maintain that capacity with the extension. 1216 01:45:03,320 --> 01:45:04,320 Great question. 1217 01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:05,320 Thank you. 1218 01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:07,320 Got a question back here? 1219 01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:08,320 I'll grab it. 1220 01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:10,320 It's Kimmy. 1221 01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:16,320 I was on that board that originally built the animal shelter, 1222 01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:20,320 and I know we were relentless in fundraising, 1223 01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:24,320 and I was wondering if there's still fundraising avenues 1224 01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:29,320 that could help stretch the $13 million that you're asking for. 1225 01:45:29,320 --> 01:45:32,320 I think we absolutely could do that. 1226 01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:35,320 I think one of the reasons why we wanted to put it on the bond, 1227 01:45:35,320 --> 01:45:37,320 because that was always the plan for the shelters, 1228 01:45:37,320 --> 01:45:39,320 is what the expansion is. 1229 01:45:39,320 --> 01:45:43,320 And so this is a great mechanism to put that on the bond, certainly. 1230 01:45:43,320 --> 01:45:47,320 But depending on where this lands, that may be the next option for us, 1231 01:45:47,320 --> 01:45:49,320 because we do need the space. 1232 01:45:49,320 --> 01:45:53,320 And thank you for being on that original committee. 1233 01:45:53,320 --> 01:45:57,320 Another question back here? 1234 01:45:57,320 --> 01:45:59,320 This is similar to what was asked of Gary, 1235 01:45:59,320 --> 01:46:02,320 and maybe with future presentations as well, 1236 01:46:02,320 --> 01:46:06,320 but if we could get a matrix of what you view priorities and the money, 1237 01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:12,320 how you would break apart that $13 million across those, 1238 01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:21,320 it might help us as we make decisions. 1239 01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:30,320 So I was curious if the HVAC is something that's normally covered under the maintenance of the facility, 1240 01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:33,320 so out of a different budget than bonds? 1241 01:46:33,320 --> 01:46:37,320 Well, since if it's not something that we can get covered in the bond, 1242 01:46:37,320 --> 01:46:39,320 it is something that we would have to address. 1243 01:46:39,320 --> 01:46:43,320 Again, we're looking at it as just that operation whole. 1244 01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:47,320 The HVAC system alone is approximately $1 million to address, 1245 01:46:47,320 --> 01:46:52,320 and so that's why the opportunity to put this in the bond was placed in it. 1246 01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:58,320 Any other questions? 1247 01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:04,320 So if you're able to get the $13 million, what would be your capacity for animals? 1248 01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:09,320 We would be able to double it at minimum, hopefully even more once we get the final plans, 1249 01:47:09,320 --> 01:47:13,320 but that's the plan now is to double capacity. 1250 01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:19,320 There's your talking point. 1251 01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:23,320 And then if we have another, we'll do another after that. 1252 01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:28,320 Ever since Betty Sherman realized that this was going to be tonight, 1253 01:47:28,320 --> 01:47:32,320 she's just been blowing up my phone, as you can well imagine. 1254 01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:40,320 And so in here, you say that Denton County animals from outside the city are about 15% of the intake, 1255 01:47:40,320 --> 01:47:45,320 and I know that the county pays something per animal, 1256 01:47:45,320 --> 01:47:50,320 but what are the chances that we could negotiate something with them 1257 01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:59,320 to help also contribute to the building of an expansion, not just per animal, 1258 01:47:59,320 --> 01:48:02,320 because they have no shelter of their own? 1259 01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:06,320 That is correct, and that's absolutely part of the discussion. 1260 01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:10,320 We obviously need to know what we're going to be able to fund in the bond 1261 01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:12,320 and then have those conversations with the county. 1262 01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:19,320 They certainly know what the need is with that, so I agree with you. 1263 01:48:19,320 --> 01:48:20,320 We have one more question. 1264 01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:25,320 Okay, Mindy, then we'll move into small group time. 1265 01:48:25,320 --> 01:48:30,320 My question was about capacity, was just to ask about what it would increase to. 1266 01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:34,320 When we were looking at trends in intake that you're seeing right now, 1267 01:48:34,320 --> 01:48:38,320 whether it's from population growth or economic stressors, 1268 01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:45,320 is the projected expansion based off of what was put together originally big enough 1269 01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:48,320 for what you're seeing the trends in intake? 1270 01:48:48,320 --> 01:48:55,320 There was a fascinating sentence that Shelley and I found in the master plan two days ago, 1271 01:48:55,320 --> 01:49:00,320 and it said the expected growth that's happening right now should not be continuing. 1272 01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:05,320 That's what they anticipated back in 2008, that that was not going to happen. 1273 01:49:05,320 --> 01:49:11,320 I would love to talk to that person and hand them some kittens and cats. 1274 01:49:11,320 --> 01:49:16,320 So they really did think this wasn't -- it was unprecedented, is what they said. 1275 01:49:16,320 --> 01:49:19,320 And so we're definitely experiencing that impact of COVID, too, 1276 01:49:19,320 --> 01:49:22,320 where we saw that strike dip and everybody got their COVID pet, 1277 01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:25,320 and then they were like, we're all going back to work. 1278 01:49:25,320 --> 01:49:27,320 So that's definitely been impactful, too. 1279 01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:29,320 So we're really trying to plan for the future. 1280 01:49:29,320 --> 01:49:33,320 But again, it's in tandem with making sure we have effective programs, too, 1281 01:49:33,320 --> 01:49:37,320 and the community support to say you neuter your animals and microchip them. 1282 01:49:37,320 --> 01:49:42,320 It's definitely a combination thing, because if you build it, they will come. 1283 01:49:42,320 --> 01:49:43,320 All right, awesome. 1284 01:49:43,320 --> 01:49:46,320 Well, let's move into a few minutes of table talk. 1285 01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:49,320 I'll give you guys a minute warning when it's time to wrap, 1286 01:49:49,320 --> 01:49:52,320 but go ahead and have some small group convo. 1287 01:49:59,320 --> 01:50:02,320 [SIDE CONVERSATION] 1288 01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:32,320 [SIDE CONVERSATION] 1289 01:50:59,320 --> 01:51:02,320 (people chattering) 1290 01:51:29,320 --> 01:51:32,320 (people chattering) 1291 01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:03,320 (people chattering) 1292 01:52:29,320 --> 01:52:32,320 (people chattering) 1293 01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:39,320 (people chattering) 1294 01:52:39,320 --> 01:52:55,320 (people chattering) 1295 01:52:55,320 --> 01:52:58,320 (people chattering) 1296 01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:03,320 (people chattering) 1297 01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:07,320 (people chattering) 1298 01:53:07,320 --> 01:53:11,320 (people chattering) 1299 01:53:11,320 --> 01:53:15,320 (people chattering) 1300 01:53:15,320 --> 01:53:19,320 (people chattering) 1301 01:53:19,320 --> 01:53:23,320 (people chattering) 1302 01:53:23,320 --> 01:53:27,320 (people chattering) 1303 01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:31,320 (people chattering) 1304 01:53:31,320 --> 01:53:35,320 (people chattering) 1305 01:53:35,320 --> 01:53:39,320 (people chattering) 1306 01:53:39,320 --> 01:53:43,320 (people chattering) 1307 01:53:43,320 --> 01:53:47,320 (people chattering) 1308 01:53:47,320 --> 01:53:51,320 (people chattering) 1309 01:53:51,320 --> 01:53:55,320 (people chattering) 1310 01:53:56,320 --> 01:53:59,320 (people chattering) 1311 01:53:59,320 --> 01:54:03,320 (people chattering) 1312 01:54:03,320 --> 01:54:05,320 - Let's take about one more minute. 1313 01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:09,320 (people chattering) 1314 01:54:09,320 --> 01:54:13,320 (people chattering) 1315 01:54:13,320 --> 01:54:17,320 (people chattering) 1316 01:54:17,320 --> 01:54:21,320 (people chattering) 1317 01:54:21,320 --> 01:54:25,320 (people chattering) 1318 01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:29,320 (people chattering) 1319 01:54:29,320 --> 01:54:33,320 (people chattering) 1320 01:54:33,320 --> 01:54:38,320 - As you're wrapping up at your table, just a reminder, 1321 01:54:38,320 --> 01:54:41,320 if you got questions you wanna submit via the parking lot, 1322 01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:44,320 QR code that to your phone. 1323 01:54:44,320 --> 01:54:48,320 (people chattering) 1324 01:54:48,320 --> 01:54:52,320 (people chattering) 1325 01:54:53,320 --> 01:54:56,320 (people chattering) 1326 01:54:56,320 --> 01:55:01,320 (people chattering) 1327 01:55:01,320 --> 01:55:05,320 (people chattering) 1328 01:55:05,320 --> 01:55:09,320 (people chattering) 1329 01:55:09,320 --> 01:55:13,320 (people chattering) 1330 01:55:13,320 --> 01:55:17,320 (people chattering) 1331 01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:21,320 (people chattering) 1332 01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:25,320 (people chattering) 1333 01:55:25,320 --> 01:55:29,320 (people chattering) 1334 01:55:29,320 --> 01:55:33,320 (people chattering) 1335 01:55:33,320 --> 01:55:37,320 (people chattering) 1336 01:55:37,320 --> 01:55:41,320 (people chattering) 1337 01:55:41,320 --> 01:55:45,320 (people chattering) 1338 01:55:45,320 --> 01:55:49,320 (people chattering) 1339 01:55:50,320 --> 01:55:53,320 (people chattering) 1340 01:55:53,320 --> 01:55:57,320 (people chattering) 1341 01:55:57,320 --> 01:56:01,320 (people chattering) 1342 01:56:01,320 --> 01:56:05,320 (people chattering) 1343 01:56:05,320 --> 01:56:09,320 (people chattering) 1344 01:56:09,320 --> 01:56:13,320 (people chattering) 1345 01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:17,320 (people chattering) 1346 01:56:18,320 --> 01:56:21,320 (people chattering) 1347 01:56:21,320 --> 01:56:25,320 (people chattering) 1348 01:56:25,320 --> 01:56:29,320 (people chattering) 1349 01:56:29,320 --> 01:56:33,320 (people chattering) 1350 01:56:33,320 --> 01:56:37,320 (people chattering) 1351 01:56:37,320 --> 01:56:41,320 (people chattering) 1352 01:56:41,320 --> 01:56:45,320 (people chattering) 1353 01:56:46,320 --> 01:56:49,320 (people chattering) 1354 01:56:49,320 --> 01:56:53,320 (people chattering) 1355 01:56:53,320 --> 01:56:57,320 (people chattering) 1356 01:56:57,320 --> 01:57:01,320 (people chattering) 1357 01:57:01,320 --> 01:57:05,320 (people chattering) 1358 01:57:05,320 --> 01:57:09,320 (people chattering) 1359 01:57:09,320 --> 01:57:13,320 (people chattering) 1360 01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:17,320 (people chattering) 1361 01:57:17,320 --> 01:57:21,320 (people chattering) 1362 01:57:21,320 --> 01:57:25,320 (people chattering) 1363 01:57:25,320 --> 01:57:29,320 (people chattering) 1364 01:57:29,320 --> 01:57:33,320 (people chattering) 1365 01:57:33,320 --> 01:57:37,320 (people chattering) 1366 01:57:37,320 --> 01:57:41,320 (people chattering) 1367 01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:45,320 (people chattering) 1368 01:57:45,320 --> 01:57:49,320 (people chattering) 1369 01:57:49,320 --> 01:57:53,320 (people chattering) 1370 01:57:53,320 --> 01:57:57,320 (people chattering) 1371 01:57:57,320 --> 01:58:01,320 (people chattering) 1372 01:58:01,320 --> 01:58:05,320 (people chattering) 1373 01:58:05,320 --> 01:58:09,320 (people chattering) 1374 01:58:10,320 --> 01:58:13,320 (people chattering) 1375 01:58:13,320 --> 01:58:17,320 (people chattering) 1376 01:58:17,320 --> 01:58:21,320 (people chattering) 1377 01:58:21,320 --> 01:58:25,320 (people chattering) 1378 01:58:25,320 --> 01:58:29,320 (people chattering) 1379 01:58:29,320 --> 01:58:33,320 (people chattering) 1380 01:58:33,320 --> 01:58:37,320 (people chattering) 1381 01:58:38,320 --> 01:58:41,320 (people chattering) 1382 01:58:41,320 --> 01:58:45,320 (people chattering) 1383 01:58:45,320 --> 01:58:49,320 (people chattering) 1384 01:58:49,320 --> 01:58:53,320 (people chattering) 1385 01:58:53,320 --> 01:58:57,320 (people chattering) 1386 01:58:57,320 --> 01:59:01,320 (people chattering) 1387 01:59:01,320 --> 01:59:05,320 (people chattering) 1388 01:59:06,320 --> 01:59:09,320 (people chattering) 1389 01:59:09,320 --> 01:59:13,320 (people chattering) 1390 01:59:13,320 --> 01:59:15,320 - Good evening, everybody. 1391 01:59:15,320 --> 01:59:16,320 I'm Christine Taylor. 1392 01:59:16,320 --> 01:59:18,320 I'm in the city manager's office. 1393 01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:21,320 And tonight we're gonna talk to you about City Hall West. 1394 01:59:21,320 --> 01:59:25,320 So a couple background things we want to cover 1395 01:59:25,320 --> 01:59:28,320 is the building construction began in 1927. 1396 01:59:28,320 --> 01:59:31,320 It's a Spanish Renaissance revival style. 1397 01:59:31,320 --> 01:59:34,320 It's currently designated a Texas historic landmark 1398 01:59:34,320 --> 01:59:37,320 and in a city of Denton landmark. 1399 01:59:37,320 --> 01:59:41,320 It has approximately 24,600 gross square feet. 1400 01:59:41,320 --> 01:59:44,320 And since 1927 when that construction began 1401 01:59:44,320 --> 01:59:46,320 and in 1931 when we moved in, 1402 01:59:46,320 --> 01:59:49,320 it's been utilized in several different capacities 1403 01:59:49,320 --> 01:59:50,320 for the city. 1404 01:59:50,320 --> 01:59:53,320 And it was last occupied in 2016 1405 01:59:53,320 --> 01:59:56,320 when our development services function was housed 1406 01:59:56,320 --> 01:59:57,320 out of there, our planning department. 1407 01:59:57,320 --> 02:00:00,320 And since then it has been vacant. 1408 02:00:00,320 --> 02:00:03,320 So this slide quickly hits on a couple of different 1409 02:00:03,320 --> 02:00:06,320 of the timeline of those different purposes it served. 1410 02:00:06,320 --> 02:00:10,320 So originally in 1959 was that first kind of renovation 1411 02:00:10,320 --> 02:00:13,320 where the building was a fire station. 1412 02:00:13,320 --> 02:00:16,320 Skip into 1980, then it was a police station 1413 02:00:16,320 --> 02:00:18,320 where we added in the infill 1414 02:00:18,320 --> 02:00:21,320 of what was previously an auditorium. 1415 02:00:21,320 --> 02:00:24,320 1995 is when the planning department occupied that building 1416 02:00:24,320 --> 02:00:27,320 and they were there until 2016. 1417 02:00:27,320 --> 02:00:29,320 So it has been vacant. 1418 02:00:29,320 --> 02:00:31,320 We're gonna talk about in a couple slides forward, 1419 02:00:31,320 --> 02:00:33,320 there was a steering committee 1420 02:00:33,320 --> 02:00:34,320 which made some recommendations. 1421 02:00:34,320 --> 02:00:36,320 And out of that is where you're seeing 1422 02:00:36,320 --> 02:00:39,320 the last kind of construction that happened in the building 1423 02:00:39,320 --> 02:00:42,320 which was to replace the exterior windows. 1424 02:00:42,320 --> 02:00:46,320 And in 2021, since the building was vacant, 1425 02:00:46,320 --> 02:00:48,320 there was a break in a line 1426 02:00:48,320 --> 02:00:51,320 which caused some flooding during winter storm Yuri. 1427 02:00:51,320 --> 02:00:55,320 And so since then they did a remediation in the building. 1428 02:00:55,320 --> 02:01:00,320 So the ADA is only hitting on the outside 1429 02:01:00,320 --> 02:01:04,320 of the perimeter accessibility challenges that they have. 1430 02:01:04,320 --> 02:01:06,320 There were 12 high priority barriers, 1431 02:01:06,320 --> 02:01:10,320 mainly focused on parking and the path of travel. 1432 02:01:10,320 --> 02:01:14,320 Here's a couple of pictures of what happened 1433 02:01:14,320 --> 02:01:17,320 in winter storm Yuri, what that kind of looked like. 1434 02:01:17,320 --> 02:01:19,320 So since the building wasn't occupied, 1435 02:01:19,320 --> 02:01:21,320 that line had bust inside. 1436 02:01:21,320 --> 02:01:24,320 It kind of filled the bottom floor with water 1437 02:01:24,320 --> 02:01:26,320 which then caused some power issues 1438 02:01:26,320 --> 02:01:27,320 which sent off an alarm. 1439 02:01:27,320 --> 02:01:30,320 Facilities responded to that, saw the water. 1440 02:01:30,320 --> 02:01:33,320 And then we've done the emergency abatement 1441 02:01:33,320 --> 02:01:35,320 and kind of the renovation. 1442 02:01:35,320 --> 02:01:37,320 I say all that because we do have it 1443 02:01:37,320 --> 02:01:39,320 on the tour schedule for Saturday. 1444 02:01:39,320 --> 02:01:42,320 So we won't be, you're going into a pretty 1445 02:01:42,320 --> 02:01:44,320 down to the studs type building. 1446 02:01:44,320 --> 02:01:46,320 And there's only a small portion of the building 1447 02:01:46,320 --> 02:01:48,320 that you'll be able to walk through. 1448 02:01:48,320 --> 02:01:51,320 City Hall West is a very interesting building. 1449 02:01:51,320 --> 02:01:53,320 It has several infill floors. 1450 02:01:53,320 --> 02:01:56,320 So we will send out bigger slides 1451 02:01:56,320 --> 02:01:58,320 so you can kind of take a look at what that looks like. 1452 02:01:58,320 --> 02:02:01,320 So we've got the balcony and then an in floor, 1453 02:02:01,320 --> 02:02:03,320 the second floor, another infill floor, 1454 02:02:03,320 --> 02:02:06,320 the ground floor, and then the basement. 1455 02:02:06,320 --> 02:02:08,320 And kind of hitting on what we talked about 1456 02:02:08,320 --> 02:02:11,320 that the tour won't, you won't be able to go up 1457 02:02:11,320 --> 02:02:14,320 to all of those floors or down into the basement. 1458 02:02:14,320 --> 02:02:16,320 We did a video. 1459 02:02:16,320 --> 02:02:17,320 Okay. 1460 02:02:25,320 --> 02:02:27,320 The all electric Mustang Mach-E 1461 02:02:27,320 --> 02:02:30,320 is a complete remix of what an SUV can be. 1462 02:02:30,320 --> 02:02:33,320 The advanced driving system, 1463 02:02:33,320 --> 02:02:36,320 the convenience and room of a sport utility vehicle, 1464 02:02:36,320 --> 02:02:38,320 and the iconic style. 1465 02:02:38,320 --> 02:02:45,320 Since its construction in 1927, 1466 02:02:45,320 --> 02:02:48,320 City Hall West has been home to a variety of city services, 1467 02:02:48,320 --> 02:02:53,320 including city council, fire, police, planning and development, 1468 02:02:53,320 --> 02:02:55,320 and even the Denton Community Theater. 1469 02:02:55,320 --> 02:02:58,320 The building is now in the process of being renovated. 1470 02:02:58,320 --> 02:03:00,320 I recently got to tour the building 1471 02:03:00,320 --> 02:03:03,320 as the restoring architects performed their first site visit. 1472 02:03:03,320 --> 02:03:05,320 I'm Alexis with Arcitexis, 1473 02:03:05,320 --> 02:03:10,320 and we were taking a look at the old City Hall West 1474 02:03:10,320 --> 02:03:14,320 here in Denton, and looking at the two infill floors 1475 02:03:14,320 --> 02:03:18,320 that were put into the original auditorium space. 1476 02:03:18,320 --> 02:03:20,320 Trying to get a better understanding of all the work 1477 02:03:20,320 --> 02:03:24,320 that was done to the buildings in the previous renovations, 1478 02:03:24,320 --> 02:03:28,320 and try to restore some of the community aspects 1479 02:03:28,320 --> 02:03:31,320 that the building once housed before. 1480 02:03:31,320 --> 02:03:34,320 It's just the building is very odd. 1481 02:03:34,320 --> 02:03:36,320 With all the work that's been done to it, 1482 02:03:36,320 --> 02:03:39,320 there's a surprise around every corner. 1483 02:03:39,320 --> 02:03:48,320 Well, what's fun is that now we're seeing the concrete base. 1484 02:03:50,320 --> 02:03:53,320 The skylights were added when the floors were added, 1485 02:03:53,320 --> 02:03:55,320 because they don't have any windows up here. 1486 02:03:55,320 --> 02:03:57,320 So this whole thing was infill, 1487 02:03:57,320 --> 02:03:59,320 so there would have been the three windows 1488 02:03:59,320 --> 02:04:01,320 that we restored recently. 1489 02:04:01,320 --> 02:04:03,320 And you still have the archways, though, for the windows. 1490 02:04:03,320 --> 02:04:04,320 Yeah. 1491 02:04:04,320 --> 02:04:06,320 Yeah, that's nice that those weren't taken out. 1492 02:04:06,320 --> 02:04:08,320 I'm glad that this was kept intact, 1493 02:04:08,320 --> 02:04:11,320 because, you know, once again, this could have been removed. 1494 02:04:11,320 --> 02:04:13,320 I feel like so many of these details were lucky 1495 02:04:13,320 --> 02:04:15,320 that we actually preserved them. 1496 02:04:15,320 --> 02:04:20,320 This was originally the balcony, a portion of the balcony. 1497 02:04:20,320 --> 02:04:22,320 That portion will remain 1498 02:04:22,320 --> 02:04:26,320 and be a part of the future balcony that's restored. 1499 02:04:26,320 --> 02:04:28,320 I was going to say, I'm not going to lie, 1500 02:04:28,320 --> 02:04:31,320 I think that's the haunted bathroom that I was told about. 1501 02:04:31,320 --> 02:04:32,320 Oh, in the bathroom? 1502 02:04:32,320 --> 02:04:34,320 The bathroom. That's the haunted bathroom, I think. 1503 02:04:34,320 --> 02:04:37,320 All the abatement has really helped us, 1504 02:04:37,320 --> 02:04:39,320 because now we can see everything. 1505 02:04:39,320 --> 02:04:41,320 That's true. 1506 02:04:41,320 --> 02:04:45,320 Okay, wait, maybe I get turned around. 1507 02:04:45,320 --> 02:04:46,320 Hi. 1508 02:04:46,320 --> 02:04:48,320 Okay, we're going to go down that side. 1509 02:04:48,320 --> 02:04:53,320 Oh, wow. 1510 02:04:53,320 --> 02:04:55,320 And somebody took the time 1511 02:04:55,320 --> 02:04:57,320 to build this cabinet around it, too. 1512 02:04:57,320 --> 02:04:59,320 Oh, my gosh. 1513 02:04:59,320 --> 02:05:01,320 Do you mind if I go up there? 1514 02:05:01,320 --> 02:05:03,320 I'm going. 1515 02:05:03,320 --> 02:05:06,320 Wow. 1516 02:05:06,320 --> 02:05:08,320 So this is a different landing. 1517 02:05:08,320 --> 02:05:10,320 So we have a different entrance, basically, 1518 02:05:10,320 --> 02:05:13,320 to the original floor before the second floor was added. 1519 02:05:13,320 --> 02:05:16,320 So it's just a landing to nowhere at this point, 1520 02:05:16,320 --> 02:05:18,320 which is pretty fascinating. 1521 02:05:18,320 --> 02:05:21,320 And the fact that they left it in and didn't just remove it. 1522 02:05:21,320 --> 02:05:23,320 Wow. 1523 02:05:23,320 --> 02:05:25,320 We have some FEMA forms. 1524 02:05:25,320 --> 02:05:27,320 Seriously, if there were any ghosts, 1525 02:05:27,320 --> 02:05:29,320 it really would start in here. 1526 02:05:29,320 --> 02:05:35,320 These are beautiful. 1527 02:05:35,320 --> 02:05:36,320 Yeah. 1528 02:05:36,320 --> 02:05:38,320 I didn't even see those when we originally came in. 1529 02:05:38,320 --> 02:05:40,320 This area is really where we see the most 1530 02:05:40,320 --> 02:05:42,320 of what it originally felt like. 1531 02:05:42,320 --> 02:05:44,320 Everything intact, yeah, for the most part. 1532 02:05:44,320 --> 02:05:47,320 And how beautiful the door and the transom is 1533 02:05:47,320 --> 02:05:49,320 and the light fixtures. 1534 02:05:49,320 --> 02:05:58,320 We're excited to see the evidence 1535 02:05:58,320 --> 02:06:01,320 of the previous tile in some of the spaces, too. 1536 02:06:01,320 --> 02:06:04,320 Oh, yeah, that's really neat. 1537 02:06:04,320 --> 02:06:06,320 Well, I'm excited to see what comes next. 1538 02:06:08,320 --> 02:06:10,320 Wow. 1539 02:06:10,320 --> 02:06:16,320 And Cameron, the star of the video, 1540 02:06:16,320 --> 02:06:18,320 our historic preservation officer, is here. 1541 02:06:18,320 --> 02:06:20,320 So when we get to the Q&A portion, 1542 02:06:20,320 --> 02:06:23,320 if there are specific questions about the historical context, 1543 02:06:23,320 --> 02:06:26,320 we'll be here to help answer questions. 1544 02:06:26,320 --> 02:06:30,320 So when staff vacated the building in 2016, 1545 02:06:30,320 --> 02:06:34,320 a steering committee was established in 2017 1546 02:06:34,320 --> 02:06:38,320 to determine what should they do with the building. 1547 02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:40,320 The committee was comprised of three council members 1548 02:06:40,320 --> 02:06:43,320 and 21 citizens, and they had several goals 1549 02:06:43,320 --> 02:06:45,320 that they wanted to achieve through that committee. 1550 02:06:45,320 --> 02:06:47,320 So a couple of high-level ones were to preserve the reuse 1551 02:06:47,320 --> 02:06:49,320 in an appropriate manner, 1552 02:06:49,320 --> 02:06:52,320 rehabilitate the character in the building, 1553 02:06:52,320 --> 02:06:54,320 the character-defining spaces, 1554 02:06:54,320 --> 02:06:58,320 and then convey the civic pride. 1555 02:06:58,320 --> 02:07:01,320 So the outcome of that committee was, in 2018, 1556 02:07:01,320 --> 02:07:03,320 staff presented their final recommendation to council, 1557 02:07:03,320 --> 02:07:06,320 which included that they would like to see it 1558 02:07:06,320 --> 02:07:08,320 as an adaptive restoration of the building 1559 02:07:08,320 --> 02:07:10,320 into a multipurpose arts facility 1560 02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:12,320 with space for rentals 1561 02:07:12,320 --> 02:07:15,320 that had some type of cost recovery component. 1562 02:07:15,320 --> 02:07:17,320 The consensus of council at that time 1563 02:07:17,320 --> 02:07:19,320 was to only proceed with minor changes, 1564 02:07:19,320 --> 02:07:21,320 which the outcome of that was the updating 1565 02:07:21,320 --> 02:07:23,320 of the exterior windows. 1566 02:07:23,320 --> 02:07:26,320 So final building use out of that committee was not determined, 1567 02:07:26,320 --> 02:07:29,320 and funding was not allocated for any restoration. 1568 02:07:29,320 --> 02:07:31,320 So it has remained vacant from that point, 1569 02:07:31,320 --> 02:07:34,320 and nothing has been done other than the remediation 1570 02:07:34,320 --> 02:07:36,320 after winter storm hearing. 1571 02:07:36,320 --> 02:07:38,320 So in January 2022, 1572 02:07:38,320 --> 02:07:41,320 the city entered into a contract with Architectsys. 1573 02:07:41,320 --> 02:07:43,320 That is who you saw in the video. 1574 02:07:43,320 --> 02:07:45,320 They're an architecture firm 1575 02:07:45,320 --> 02:07:47,320 who works with historic preservation. 1576 02:07:47,320 --> 02:07:49,320 And so they went through the building 1577 02:07:49,320 --> 02:07:51,320 and came up with some concepts and designs 1578 02:07:51,320 --> 02:07:53,320 on what could we do with this building. 1579 02:07:53,320 --> 02:07:55,320 So in November of 2022, 1580 02:07:55,320 --> 02:07:57,320 our city council received a work session 1581 02:07:57,320 --> 02:08:00,320 on what the renovation project would look like. 1582 02:08:00,320 --> 02:08:02,320 And after running through the options, 1583 02:08:02,320 --> 02:08:04,320 they provided direction to consider the project 1584 02:08:04,320 --> 02:08:06,320 as part of the bond committee for you all to evaluate 1585 02:08:06,320 --> 02:08:08,320 and consider moving forward. 1586 02:08:08,320 --> 02:08:11,320 So the renovation, we'll talk through kind of each floor, 1587 02:08:11,320 --> 02:08:13,320 but the outcome was it would include 1588 02:08:13,320 --> 02:08:15,320 some type of municipal service office space, 1589 02:08:15,320 --> 02:08:17,320 the restoration of the auditorium, 1590 02:08:17,320 --> 02:08:20,320 which would be a community auditorium that could be used, 1591 02:08:20,320 --> 02:08:23,320 rentable event space on that bottom floor, 1592 02:08:23,320 --> 02:08:26,320 and then a rentable courtyard on the exterior portion. 1593 02:08:26,320 --> 02:08:29,320 So the drawing that you're seeing on the right 1594 02:08:29,320 --> 02:08:34,320 is the ground floor basement on that version of the building 1595 02:08:34,320 --> 02:08:37,320 where you see that would be level A and B. 1596 02:08:37,320 --> 02:08:39,320 So the purpose of this space in purple, 1597 02:08:39,320 --> 02:08:42,320 which would be a multipurpose space 1598 02:08:42,320 --> 02:08:45,320 that could be rentable by anyone in the community. 1599 02:08:45,320 --> 02:08:51,320 And then the portion in red would be the outdoor courtyard. 1600 02:08:51,320 --> 02:08:54,320 And the rest of the floor would be dedicated to support space 1601 02:08:54,320 --> 02:08:57,320 since it is a partial basement. 1602 02:08:57,320 --> 02:09:00,320 So here's some additional information on the outside. 1603 02:09:00,320 --> 02:09:03,320 That yellow portion shows what that exterior courtyard 1604 02:09:03,320 --> 02:09:05,320 could look like. 1605 02:09:05,320 --> 02:09:08,320 They, of course, would have some landscape buffering there. 1606 02:09:08,320 --> 02:09:11,320 And in a future slide, they show some light concepts 1607 02:09:11,320 --> 02:09:14,320 of the fencing or how you could kind of make that private 1608 02:09:14,320 --> 02:09:17,320 so it could be rentable space. 1609 02:09:17,320 --> 02:09:20,320 They recommended exterior improvement 1610 02:09:20,320 --> 02:09:22,320 to the entrance off Elm. 1611 02:09:22,320 --> 02:09:25,320 So right now, you know, there's some parking spaces there, 1612 02:09:25,320 --> 02:09:27,320 so they looked at having where you could pull in 1613 02:09:27,320 --> 02:09:29,320 so there could actually be a drop-off, 1614 02:09:29,320 --> 02:09:32,320 and then a plaza, 1615 02:09:32,320 --> 02:09:37,320 and then working on the accessible access from the comm. 1616 02:09:37,320 --> 02:09:40,320 Again, another slide just showing what that patio courtyard 1617 02:09:40,320 --> 02:09:42,320 could look like. 1618 02:09:42,320 --> 02:09:44,320 Those are some light concepts that architects 1619 02:09:44,320 --> 02:09:47,320 have provided to us. 1620 02:09:47,320 --> 02:09:51,320 So that main entry, which would be level C and D, 1621 02:09:51,320 --> 02:09:54,320 shows that we would be restoring the auditorium, 1622 02:09:54,320 --> 02:09:57,320 which would provide 200 to 230 seats in it. 1623 02:09:57,320 --> 02:10:00,320 Again, could be used for any type of events 1624 02:10:00,320 --> 02:10:02,320 in the community, rentable. 1625 02:10:02,320 --> 02:10:07,320 Not a performance space, but an auditorium for speakers, 1626 02:10:07,320 --> 02:10:10,320 open house meetings, public forums, 1627 02:10:10,320 --> 02:10:13,320 any type of event that someone would like to use it for 1628 02:10:13,320 --> 02:10:15,320 other than performance. 1629 02:10:15,320 --> 02:10:18,320 They would restore the entrance and lobby and stairs 1630 02:10:18,320 --> 02:10:21,320 and kind of keeping with that grand architecture, 1631 02:10:21,320 --> 02:10:24,320 that when it was built in 1927. 1632 02:10:24,320 --> 02:10:27,320 And then the portion in yellow would be the portion 1633 02:10:27,320 --> 02:10:29,320 that we could repurpose into municipal space 1634 02:10:29,320 --> 02:10:31,320 or conference space that could be rentable 1635 02:10:31,320 --> 02:10:34,320 by the community as well. 1636 02:10:34,320 --> 02:10:36,320 So the exterior design includes restoration 1637 02:10:36,320 --> 02:10:38,320 of that grand entrance that we talked about 1638 02:10:38,320 --> 02:10:42,320 with improved approaches, entry courts on each side, 1639 02:10:42,320 --> 02:10:44,320 and then restoration of that grand staircase 1640 02:10:44,320 --> 02:10:47,320 and auditorium and lobby. 1641 02:10:47,320 --> 02:10:50,320 Upper floor E is an additional space 1642 02:10:50,320 --> 02:10:53,320 that could be municipal office space and conference space. 1643 02:10:53,320 --> 02:10:58,320 And then level F in their plans called for restoration 1644 02:10:58,320 --> 02:11:01,320 of that balcony, which you could see in the video 1645 02:11:01,320 --> 02:11:03,320 with additional seating that is counted 1646 02:11:03,320 --> 02:11:05,320 as part of that 200 or 300 seating. 1647 02:11:05,320 --> 02:11:07,320 A projection and sound room 1648 02:11:07,320 --> 02:11:09,320 and connect to the existing auditorium. 1649 02:11:09,320 --> 02:11:12,320 A couple successful examples where communities 1650 02:11:12,320 --> 02:11:15,320 have taken historic buildings and repurposed them. 1651 02:11:15,320 --> 02:11:17,320 This was in Sulphur Springs. 1652 02:11:17,320 --> 02:11:22,320 The post office was turned into their city hall 1653 02:11:22,320 --> 02:11:25,320 and took a prominent location in downtown. 1654 02:11:25,320 --> 02:11:27,320 The Salmon Center for Public Arts 1655 02:11:27,320 --> 02:11:30,320 is probably the closest one we were looking at. 1656 02:11:30,320 --> 02:11:32,320 So it is city owned right now. 1657 02:11:32,320 --> 02:11:34,320 Currently they're using it for multi-use facility, 1658 02:11:34,320 --> 02:11:36,320 public meeting facility, and an event, 1659 02:11:36,320 --> 02:11:39,320 a rentable space for event facility. 1660 02:11:39,320 --> 02:11:41,320 So the proposal that you're seeing, 1661 02:11:41,320 --> 02:11:43,320 considering it's part of the bond program, 1662 02:11:43,320 --> 02:11:46,320 is to renovate the existing building onsite 1663 02:11:46,320 --> 02:11:48,320 at an estimated cost that we had provided to council 1664 02:11:48,320 --> 02:11:52,320 in November timeframe in January was 9.4 million. 1665 02:11:52,320 --> 02:11:55,320 So the major goals of this project would be 1666 02:11:55,320 --> 02:11:59,320 that you have active use of a historic landmark, 1667 02:11:59,320 --> 02:12:02,320 active use of a restored historic auditorium. 1668 02:12:02,320 --> 02:12:05,320 We would restore the grand entrance from the street 1669 02:12:05,320 --> 02:12:07,320 with the improved approach. 1670 02:12:07,320 --> 02:12:09,320 It would provide community and auditorium space 1671 02:12:09,320 --> 02:12:11,320 with the restored balcony. 1672 02:12:11,320 --> 02:12:13,320 It would add additional space for the community 1673 02:12:13,320 --> 02:12:15,320 for events in that courtyard. 1674 02:12:15,320 --> 02:12:18,320 It would add additional municipal office space. 1675 02:12:18,320 --> 02:12:20,320 Based off the space and our space standards, 1676 02:12:20,320 --> 02:12:23,320 we think it could accommodate between 15 and 20 employees. 1677 02:12:23,320 --> 02:12:25,320 And that probably would be our parks 1678 02:12:25,320 --> 02:12:28,320 and recreation departments, since they would manage 1679 02:12:28,320 --> 02:12:31,320 running any type of rental of the facility. 1680 02:12:31,320 --> 02:12:33,320 And then it, of course, would provide additional 1681 02:12:33,320 --> 02:12:36,320 public meeting space. 1682 02:12:36,320 --> 02:12:38,320 That is it. 1683 02:12:38,320 --> 02:12:40,320 - Thank you, Christine. 1684 02:12:40,320 --> 02:12:43,320 What questions do you have of Christine? 1685 02:12:43,320 --> 02:12:46,320 - This is Cameron. 1686 02:12:46,320 --> 02:12:49,320 - Or our historic officer. 1687 02:12:49,320 --> 02:12:52,320 - Could you speak to the need on how you are projecting 1688 02:12:52,320 --> 02:12:55,320 that uptake of usage in the rental space? 1689 02:12:55,320 --> 02:12:59,320 In other words, how are you estimating the demand 1690 02:12:59,320 --> 02:13:02,320 if this renovation was to go through 1691 02:13:02,320 --> 02:13:04,320 how often it might be used or what types of events 1692 02:13:04,320 --> 02:13:09,320 might take place there and basically just the cost 1693 02:13:09,320 --> 02:13:11,320 recovery aspect of this project? 1694 02:13:11,320 --> 02:13:13,320 I'm just a little curious on if you could 1695 02:13:13,320 --> 02:13:15,320 provide more detail, please. 1696 02:13:15,320 --> 02:13:19,320 - The cost recovery came out of the steering committee 1697 02:13:19,320 --> 02:13:21,320 by saying, hey, this is what we would like to see 1698 02:13:21,320 --> 02:13:23,320 out of this. 1699 02:13:23,320 --> 02:13:25,320 When we brought this forward to council, 1700 02:13:25,320 --> 02:13:28,320 architects said the first thing that we took forward was, 1701 02:13:28,320 --> 02:13:30,320 what do you want to do with the building? 1702 02:13:30,320 --> 02:13:35,320 We still have them retained on what the programming 1703 02:13:35,320 --> 02:13:37,320 services could be utilized out. 1704 02:13:37,320 --> 02:13:39,320 And that's where the cost component came from. 1705 02:13:39,320 --> 02:13:42,320 As far as the building use, they took into account the goals 1706 02:13:42,320 --> 02:13:45,320 from the steering committee, which is defined, 1707 02:13:45,320 --> 02:13:48,320 what do we have existing, which is that auditorium space, 1708 02:13:48,320 --> 02:13:51,320 and then the demand to provide additional rentable space 1709 02:13:51,320 --> 02:13:54,320 for community events or any type of performing arts 1710 02:13:54,320 --> 02:13:57,320 with the original one out of 2017. 1711 02:13:57,320 --> 02:14:01,320 So architects provided us the potential use for that space 1712 02:14:01,320 --> 02:14:03,320 based off steering committee feedback, 1713 02:14:03,320 --> 02:14:05,320 and then they did additional public input 1714 02:14:05,320 --> 02:14:10,320 as they were working through the programming of the facility. 1715 02:14:10,320 --> 02:14:13,320 - With already such limited parking downtown, 1716 02:14:13,320 --> 02:14:16,320 if we are going to have an event that really would hold 1717 02:14:16,320 --> 02:14:18,320 200 people, like you're predicting here, 1718 02:14:18,320 --> 02:14:21,320 what are your thoughts on where everyone would park their car? 1719 02:14:21,320 --> 02:14:24,320 - The city is currently undergoing a parking assessment 1720 02:14:24,320 --> 02:14:27,320 because it's a challenge beyond the use of this building 1721 02:14:27,320 --> 02:14:29,320 just downtown in general. 1722 02:14:29,320 --> 02:14:32,320 So that's something that we are working to look 1723 02:14:32,320 --> 02:14:33,320 at the entire downtown. 1724 02:14:33,320 --> 02:14:35,320 So we have two things going right now. 1725 02:14:35,320 --> 02:14:37,320 The downtown master plan, which they're working through, 1726 02:14:37,320 --> 02:14:40,320 getting a consultant for that, which will look at parking, 1727 02:14:40,320 --> 02:14:42,320 and then we're doing an actual parking assessment 1728 02:14:42,320 --> 02:14:45,320 of the downtown, and what do we need to accommodate 1729 02:14:45,320 --> 02:14:49,320 everything going on in the square and that general proximity 1730 02:14:49,320 --> 02:14:51,320 for any event that's going on. 1731 02:14:51,320 --> 02:14:58,320 - Do you feel that we are fulfilling a need 1732 02:14:58,320 --> 02:15:02,320 for additional public meeting space in some of those items, 1733 02:15:02,320 --> 02:15:05,320 or are we trying to find a purpose for the building 1734 02:15:05,320 --> 02:15:06,320 to do those things? 1735 02:15:06,320 --> 02:15:14,320 - I think the main goal of it was to have the building occupied, 1736 02:15:14,320 --> 02:15:17,320 have a historic building, have a use 1737 02:15:17,320 --> 02:15:19,320 that the community can utilize. 1738 02:15:19,320 --> 02:15:20,320 Right now it's sitting vacant. 1739 02:15:20,320 --> 02:15:23,320 I don't think the main goal of it is meeting space. 1740 02:15:23,320 --> 02:15:26,320 It's to preserve a historic building. 1741 02:15:26,320 --> 02:15:28,320 Cameron's saying yes. 1742 02:15:28,320 --> 02:15:30,320 So to preserve the building and to, again, 1743 02:15:30,320 --> 02:15:32,320 get some life in it that the community can use it, 1744 02:15:32,320 --> 02:15:34,320 versus it sitting there vacant. 1745 02:15:34,320 --> 02:15:37,320 - Go ahead. 1746 02:15:37,320 --> 02:15:39,320 You've got a couple questions up there. 1747 02:15:39,320 --> 02:15:42,320 - So did I hear right when you said 1748 02:15:42,320 --> 02:15:45,320 there would be no performances on the stage, 1749 02:15:45,320 --> 02:15:47,320 and what was your logic on that? 1750 02:15:47,320 --> 02:15:50,320 - We brought forward two uses. 1751 02:15:50,320 --> 02:15:53,320 So we did propose it could be some type of performance space, 1752 02:15:53,320 --> 02:15:56,320 but out of it, the outcome when we spoke to council 1753 02:15:56,320 --> 02:15:59,320 about potential uses were that we would use it 1754 02:15:59,320 --> 02:16:01,320 for municipal office space and then just be 1755 02:16:01,320 --> 02:16:02,320 a community auditorium. 1756 02:16:02,320 --> 02:16:07,320 It's not based on anything with the design of the building. 1757 02:16:07,320 --> 02:16:10,320 It was just the use that we determined to go forward with. 1758 02:16:10,320 --> 02:16:15,320 - Does the bond committee get any input in that? 1759 02:16:15,320 --> 02:16:16,320 - Yes. 1760 02:16:16,320 --> 02:16:18,320 Of course. 1761 02:16:18,320 --> 02:16:19,320 Yeah. 1762 02:16:19,320 --> 02:16:22,320 - And so we were talking about it being rented out, 1763 02:16:22,320 --> 02:16:25,320 was a kitchen or some kind of area 1764 02:16:25,320 --> 02:16:27,320 for food service included in the-- 1765 02:16:27,320 --> 02:16:30,320 - Correct. - Correct on that bottom floor. 1766 02:16:30,320 --> 02:16:36,320 That purple space is a multipurpose space, 1767 02:16:36,320 --> 02:16:37,320 indoor event space. 1768 02:16:37,320 --> 02:16:38,320 They did program in. 1769 02:16:38,320 --> 02:16:40,320 There is some type of kitchen. 1770 02:16:40,320 --> 02:16:44,320 So if anyone was wanting to hold a wedding reception 1771 02:16:44,320 --> 02:16:46,320 or a smaller formal event, 1772 02:16:46,320 --> 02:16:48,320 there is facilities for catering. 1773 02:16:48,320 --> 02:16:51,320 - Thank you. 1774 02:16:51,320 --> 02:16:55,320 - Just a note on that too. 1775 02:16:55,320 --> 02:16:57,320 I want you thinking, all of us need to be thinking 1776 02:16:57,320 --> 02:16:58,320 along that way. 1777 02:16:58,320 --> 02:17:01,320 Council has come up with, they want us to come together 1778 02:17:01,320 --> 02:17:02,320 and advise them. 1779 02:17:02,320 --> 02:17:05,320 And so I was on city council. 1780 02:17:05,320 --> 02:17:07,320 We're not the smartest people in Denton. 1781 02:17:07,320 --> 02:17:10,320 And they've gathered the smartest people in Denton here 1782 02:17:10,320 --> 02:17:13,320 to be able to advise them on what we think's best 1783 02:17:13,320 --> 02:17:14,320 for the community. 1784 02:17:14,320 --> 02:17:17,320 So keep that brainstorming alive so that as we forward 1785 02:17:17,320 --> 02:17:20,320 those recommendations, we can provide that to the council. 1786 02:17:22,320 --> 02:17:25,320 - So my understanding is that there was an auditorium there. 1787 02:17:25,320 --> 02:17:30,320 So is the plan to restore the facility 1788 02:17:30,320 --> 02:17:34,320 where you have an auditorium with a projection system 1789 02:17:34,320 --> 02:17:37,320 for the main floor and the balcony? 1790 02:17:37,320 --> 02:17:38,320 - Correct. 1791 02:17:38,320 --> 02:17:39,320 - Okay. 1792 02:17:39,320 --> 02:17:40,320 Thank you. 1793 02:17:40,320 --> 02:17:45,320 - All right. 1794 02:17:45,320 --> 02:17:47,320 I'll go here and then grab her. 1795 02:17:49,320 --> 02:17:52,320 - Come back to me 'cause I just blanked out. 1796 02:17:52,320 --> 02:17:54,320 - Always happens after eight o'clock. 1797 02:17:54,320 --> 02:17:55,320 That's what happens. 1798 02:17:55,320 --> 02:17:57,320 - Yes, I don't want. 1799 02:17:57,320 --> 02:18:00,320 - So there was the discussion of it being 1800 02:18:00,320 --> 02:18:02,320 like revenue generating facility. 1801 02:18:02,320 --> 02:18:05,320 Is the intent that it would be like a profitable investment 1802 02:18:05,320 --> 02:18:09,320 or that it would recoup 50% of the investment or 30%? 1803 02:18:09,320 --> 02:18:10,320 What's kind of the target there? 1804 02:18:10,320 --> 02:18:15,320 And with the comparable successful project, 1805 02:18:15,320 --> 02:18:19,320 what was their kind of revenue generating like? 1806 02:18:19,320 --> 02:18:22,320 - So when we retained architects as part of that 1807 02:18:22,320 --> 02:18:26,320 was to come in and do programming, program planning, 1808 02:18:26,320 --> 02:18:29,320 which would look at that cost recovery component. 1809 02:18:29,320 --> 02:18:32,320 With this type of rental facility, 1810 02:18:32,320 --> 02:18:34,320 it would not ever be a full cost recovery. 1811 02:18:34,320 --> 02:18:38,320 We did, I believe in 2019, I thought I had it on the slide. 1812 02:18:38,320 --> 02:18:41,320 We did a request for information out to see 1813 02:18:41,320 --> 02:18:43,320 if there was anyone interested in coming in 1814 02:18:43,320 --> 02:18:45,320 and running that. 1815 02:18:45,320 --> 02:18:47,320 There was only one response 1816 02:18:47,320 --> 02:18:51,320 and they didn't see how they could make it successful 1817 02:18:51,320 --> 02:18:54,320 'cause we did talk about there is the opportunity 1818 02:18:54,320 --> 02:18:57,320 if someone came in to use historic tax credits 1819 02:18:57,320 --> 02:18:59,320 to restore the building, 1820 02:18:59,320 --> 02:19:03,320 but there wasn't any interest to move that one forward. 1821 02:19:03,320 --> 02:19:08,320 - I've got a question right here. 1822 02:19:08,320 --> 02:19:11,320 It's kind of two pronged. 1823 02:19:11,320 --> 02:19:16,320 I've sat in on that discussion with architects before. 1824 02:19:16,320 --> 02:19:19,320 It seemed like there was some discussion in the past 1825 02:19:19,320 --> 02:19:24,320 about there perhaps being a public-private partnership 1826 02:19:24,320 --> 02:19:26,320 in the development of this space 1827 02:19:26,320 --> 02:19:30,320 and what that might look like as far as what the public, 1828 02:19:30,320 --> 02:19:35,320 excuse me, what the private might pitch in to the project 1829 02:19:35,320 --> 02:19:36,320 and how that might work. 1830 02:19:36,320 --> 02:19:39,320 And additionally, along that lines, 1831 02:19:39,320 --> 02:19:44,320 has the city looked at what the value 1832 02:19:44,320 --> 02:19:46,320 of that building and land is, 1833 02:19:46,320 --> 02:19:50,320 what that might look like if the city, 1834 02:19:50,320 --> 02:19:52,320 maybe there's no funding. 1835 02:19:52,320 --> 02:19:53,320 I'm just throwing this out there. 1836 02:19:53,320 --> 02:19:54,320 Please don't bash me. 1837 02:19:54,320 --> 02:19:58,320 I was being not sentimental about 1920s architecture, 1838 02:19:58,320 --> 02:20:01,320 but has there been discussion about 1839 02:20:01,320 --> 02:20:02,320 what's the value of that building 1840 02:20:02,320 --> 02:20:04,320 and if the city were to sell that, 1841 02:20:04,320 --> 02:20:08,320 is there an appetite for somebody to fully make it private 1842 02:20:08,320 --> 02:20:10,320 and to redevelop that? 1843 02:20:10,320 --> 02:20:13,320 - Hey, I need to send in the follow-up information 1844 02:20:13,320 --> 02:20:16,320 and specifics of what they recommended, 1845 02:20:16,320 --> 02:20:18,320 but we did put out a request for information 1846 02:20:18,320 --> 02:20:20,320 to see if there was any interest 1847 02:20:20,320 --> 02:20:23,320 'cause do they need to own it for the historic tax credits? 1848 02:20:23,320 --> 02:20:26,320 Yeah, so we did put that out there to see 1849 02:20:26,320 --> 02:20:28,320 is there interest for someone to purchase a building 1850 02:20:28,320 --> 02:20:31,320 and then they could use historic tax credits 1851 02:20:31,320 --> 02:20:34,320 to try and make it into a profitable model. 1852 02:20:34,320 --> 02:20:36,320 We had one response to that 1853 02:20:36,320 --> 02:20:39,320 and then they decided not to move forward. 1854 02:20:39,320 --> 02:20:40,320 But I think there's follow-up information. 1855 02:20:40,320 --> 02:20:42,320 To this point, my understanding is 1856 02:20:42,320 --> 02:20:43,320 out of the outcome of the committee 1857 02:20:43,320 --> 02:20:45,320 and our conversations with council, 1858 02:20:45,320 --> 02:20:46,320 there's never been any discussion 1859 02:20:46,320 --> 02:20:49,320 of removing the building or valuing the site, 1860 02:20:49,320 --> 02:20:51,320 so I don't have that information. 1861 02:20:51,320 --> 02:20:54,320 I'm sure we can look at what the value is right now 1862 02:20:54,320 --> 02:20:57,320 and provide that, but that's not been an option 1863 02:20:57,320 --> 02:20:58,320 they've considered to date. 1864 02:20:58,320 --> 02:21:00,320 - And then discussion in comments 1865 02:21:00,320 --> 02:21:02,320 about a public-independent partnership. 1866 02:21:02,320 --> 02:21:04,320 - That's what I think we'll, oh. 1867 02:21:04,320 --> 02:21:07,320 That was what the RFI aimed to see. 1868 02:21:07,320 --> 02:21:10,320 Is there any interest to do some type 1869 02:21:10,320 --> 02:21:14,320 of public-private partnership and the responses were low? 1870 02:21:14,320 --> 02:21:16,320 So which is where we shifted to, 1871 02:21:16,320 --> 02:21:18,320 we'll turn it into a space that could be rentable, 1872 02:21:18,320 --> 02:21:22,320 but it wouldn't be a cost recovery, 100% cost recovery. 1873 02:21:22,320 --> 02:21:28,320 - While I was on that contentious committee, 1874 02:21:28,320 --> 02:21:30,320 we fought about everything, 1875 02:21:30,320 --> 02:21:33,320 but we didn't fight about the point 1876 02:21:33,320 --> 02:21:36,320 that we felt that the city should restore the building, 1877 02:21:36,320 --> 02:21:41,320 and architects came up with some wonderful ideas 1878 02:21:41,320 --> 02:21:43,320 because they are the premier, 1879 02:21:43,320 --> 02:21:47,320 they restored our courthouse correctly. 1880 02:21:47,320 --> 02:21:50,320 But as far as no performances, 1881 02:21:50,320 --> 02:21:55,320 that was never discussed because one of the things 1882 02:21:55,320 --> 02:21:59,320 that we talked about was that there are a lot of festivals 1883 02:21:59,320 --> 02:22:02,320 that come here that could use that auditorium space. 1884 02:22:02,320 --> 02:22:07,320 We have our storytelling festival in the civic center. 1885 02:22:07,320 --> 02:22:08,320 - I might have said that before. 1886 02:22:08,320 --> 02:22:10,320 When I'm saying performance space, 1887 02:22:10,320 --> 02:22:13,320 it's like renting it out for a full play for several weeks 1888 02:22:13,320 --> 02:22:15,320 where no one has to be able to use it. 1889 02:22:15,320 --> 02:22:17,320 Fully intend that someone could rent it 1890 02:22:17,320 --> 02:22:21,320 for like the arts and jazz festival. 1891 02:22:21,320 --> 02:22:23,320 Yeah, a recital, yes. 1892 02:22:23,320 --> 02:22:27,320 - But we always envisioned having the ability 1893 02:22:27,320 --> 02:22:30,320 to have another performance space in the city, 1894 02:22:30,320 --> 02:22:32,320 which is desperately needed. 1895 02:22:32,320 --> 02:22:34,320 - Yeah, community auditorium, 1896 02:22:34,320 --> 02:22:36,320 so I'm not the expert on that. 1897 02:22:36,320 --> 02:22:38,320 I might be using the incorrect language, 1898 02:22:38,320 --> 02:22:39,320 so we can provide an update on that. 1899 02:22:39,320 --> 02:22:41,320 But certainly any group wanting to use it 1900 02:22:41,320 --> 02:22:43,320 for a recital, for a music event, 1901 02:22:43,320 --> 02:22:46,320 is certainly what the purpose is intended for. 1902 02:22:46,320 --> 02:22:50,320 - I actually performed on that stage in 1973. 1903 02:22:50,320 --> 02:22:53,320 (audience laughing) 1904 02:22:57,320 --> 02:23:00,320 - Yes, as a part of that assessment, 1905 02:23:00,320 --> 02:23:03,320 did they look at the roofing, the plumbing? 1906 02:23:03,320 --> 02:23:06,320 Because you did say that they had, 1907 02:23:06,320 --> 02:23:08,320 the last time I was occupied, 1908 02:23:08,320 --> 02:23:10,320 that's when the storm came, 1909 02:23:10,320 --> 02:23:12,320 and I know as a homeowner and stuff, 1910 02:23:12,320 --> 02:23:14,320 I moved into an older home. 1911 02:23:14,320 --> 02:23:15,320 Luckily, the guy took care of it, 1912 02:23:15,320 --> 02:23:17,320 but I've been in there a year and a half, 1913 02:23:17,320 --> 02:23:21,320 and I had a problem with roofing, plumbing, and windows. 1914 02:23:21,320 --> 02:23:24,320 - May call Tom Kramer out to answer that, 1915 02:23:24,320 --> 02:23:27,320 but since the building was unoccupied, 1916 02:23:27,320 --> 02:23:30,320 we did not do the facility condition assessment. 1917 02:23:30,320 --> 02:23:33,320 Tom, come up here and answer that. 1918 02:23:33,320 --> 02:23:36,320 There's not anything in the building to assess, 1919 02:23:36,320 --> 02:23:39,320 but he can speak to the roof and the structure. 1920 02:23:39,320 --> 02:23:42,320 - Yeah, so as Christine mentioned, 1921 02:23:42,320 --> 02:23:44,320 this is a non-occupiable building 1922 02:23:44,320 --> 02:23:46,320 because from the facility's condition assessment, 1923 02:23:46,320 --> 02:23:48,320 there is nothing to measure against. 1924 02:23:48,320 --> 02:23:50,320 So it is currently at 100%, 1925 02:23:50,320 --> 02:23:52,320 which means that we need to have a major investment 1926 02:23:52,320 --> 02:23:54,320 into this building to keep it occupiable. 1927 02:23:54,320 --> 02:23:59,320 We did do some assessments internally on the structure itself. 1928 02:23:59,320 --> 02:24:01,320 That's why this building doesn't need to be tore down, 1929 02:24:01,320 --> 02:24:03,320 because it's structurally sound, 1930 02:24:03,320 --> 02:24:06,320 but all the internal components are either destroyed, 1931 02:24:06,320 --> 02:24:09,320 moved, gone, or unusable in the future. 1932 02:24:09,320 --> 02:24:14,320 - And I will mention that the windows were replaced recently. 1933 02:24:14,320 --> 02:24:16,320 They did go through the Historic Landmark Commission, 1934 02:24:16,320 --> 02:24:19,320 I believe, in 2019 or 2020, 1935 02:24:19,320 --> 02:24:20,320 and those have all been replaced, 1936 02:24:20,320 --> 02:24:22,320 and those aren't going to go. 1937 02:24:22,320 --> 02:24:28,320 - Could you speak to any information available? 1938 02:24:28,320 --> 02:24:30,320 I swear I'm holding that right. 1939 02:24:30,320 --> 02:24:36,320 Could you talk to us about the 200 to 230 seating capacity 1940 02:24:36,320 --> 02:24:38,320 and how that kind of stacks up against 1941 02:24:38,320 --> 02:24:42,320 current city hall, campus theater, 1942 02:24:42,320 --> 02:24:44,320 middle school auditorium, 1943 02:24:44,320 --> 02:24:46,320 some other things in the immediate area 1944 02:24:46,320 --> 02:24:49,320 that can be used for performances or meetings 1945 02:24:49,320 --> 02:24:51,320 and that kind of stuff? 1946 02:24:51,320 --> 02:24:55,320 And then could you talk to us a little bit about 1947 02:24:55,320 --> 02:24:57,320 the limitations of the space for something 1948 02:24:57,320 --> 02:24:59,320 like a full-blown play? 1949 02:24:59,320 --> 02:25:01,320 You know, dressing rooms and wing spaces 1950 02:25:01,320 --> 02:25:03,320 and all that kind of stuff? 1951 02:25:03,320 --> 02:25:06,320 - I think we'll need to follow up on what the capacity is 1952 02:25:06,320 --> 02:25:08,320 at some of the other theaters. 1953 02:25:08,320 --> 02:25:11,320 I know at City Hall I think we're around 140 1954 02:25:11,320 --> 02:25:13,320 at capacity in the council chamber, 1955 02:25:13,320 --> 02:25:15,320 and that was full like last night, 1956 02:25:15,320 --> 02:25:18,320 and you know, people can't come in. 1957 02:25:18,320 --> 02:25:20,320 So it is definitely a larger space 1958 02:25:20,320 --> 02:25:23,320 that could be utilized for larger events. 1959 02:25:23,320 --> 02:25:25,320 And you're correct, and I think that's where 1960 02:25:25,320 --> 02:25:27,320 I might have been mixing words on the performance space. 1961 02:25:27,320 --> 02:25:30,320 The limitations are the storing of props, 1962 02:25:30,320 --> 02:25:32,320 equipment, and dressing rooms. 1963 02:25:32,320 --> 02:25:35,320 So any type of music event that wants to come in 1964 02:25:35,320 --> 02:25:38,320 and do a show recital, that's a great place for it. 1965 02:25:38,320 --> 02:25:41,320 But if there are major props, rehearsal space, 1966 02:25:41,320 --> 02:25:44,320 dressing rooms, that would be a limitation. 1967 02:25:46,320 --> 02:25:48,320 - Campus is $399.99. 1968 02:25:48,320 --> 02:25:58,320 - All right, one more question that we got. 1969 02:25:58,320 --> 02:26:00,320 If we don't, we can go to table talk. 1970 02:26:00,320 --> 02:26:01,320 Kim. 1971 02:26:01,320 --> 02:26:03,320 - Hopefully this will be a quick one. 1972 02:26:03,320 --> 02:26:05,320 What have you guys looked at in terms 1973 02:26:05,320 --> 02:26:06,320 of other funding sources? 1974 02:26:06,320 --> 02:26:08,320 This is a state landmark building. 1975 02:26:08,320 --> 02:26:10,320 Do we have options with public ownership 1976 02:26:10,320 --> 02:26:12,320 to have any matching funds? 1977 02:26:12,320 --> 02:26:17,320 - So, yes. 1978 02:26:17,320 --> 02:26:18,320 - There we go. 1979 02:26:18,320 --> 02:26:19,320 That might be easier. 1980 02:26:19,320 --> 02:26:21,320 I'm just gonna mess that up. 1981 02:26:21,320 --> 02:26:25,320 So there are other forms of funding involved, 1982 02:26:25,320 --> 02:26:28,320 but the city could not be the owner of the property. 1983 02:26:28,320 --> 02:26:31,320 So it would have to be owned by a nonprofit. 1984 02:26:31,320 --> 02:26:34,320 It would have to be used for commercial uses. 1985 02:26:34,320 --> 02:26:39,320 They just got rid of universities, 1986 02:26:39,320 --> 02:26:41,320 so institutions that has been removed 1987 02:26:41,320 --> 02:26:43,320 from tax incentives. 1988 02:26:43,320 --> 02:26:45,320 So it would have to be a commercial use purpose, 1989 02:26:45,320 --> 02:26:47,320 or it would have to be a nonprofit. 1990 02:26:47,320 --> 02:26:49,320 So that's kind of where we're having the issue right now 1991 02:26:49,320 --> 02:26:52,320 in terms of finding other funding 1992 02:26:52,320 --> 02:26:54,320 at the state and national level, 1993 02:26:54,320 --> 02:26:56,320 is that the city does own the property. 1994 02:26:56,320 --> 02:27:01,320 - All right, let's jump into some, 1995 02:27:01,320 --> 02:27:03,320 a few minutes of table talk. 1996 02:27:03,320 --> 02:27:05,320 Get those juices flowing, 1997 02:27:05,320 --> 02:27:07,320 and then we're gonna finish this thing up 1998 02:27:07,320 --> 02:27:08,320 with a final round of comments, 1999 02:27:08,320 --> 02:27:10,320 and we'll close tonight. 2000 02:27:10,320 --> 02:27:11,320 Thanks. 2001 02:27:40,320 --> 02:27:43,320 (people chattering) 2002 02:28:11,320 --> 02:28:14,320 (people chattering) 2003 02:28:40,320 --> 02:28:43,320 - Just from looking at the other question. 2004 02:28:43,320 --> 02:28:46,320 (people chattering) 2005 02:29:08,320 --> 02:29:11,320 (people chattering) 2006 02:29:38,320 --> 02:29:41,320 (people chattering) 2007 02:30:08,320 --> 02:30:11,320 (people chattering) 2008 02:30:38,320 --> 02:30:41,320 (people chattering) 2009 02:30:41,320 --> 02:31:07,320 - Let's spend about another minute 2010 02:31:07,320 --> 02:31:09,320 wrapping up our conversation. 2011 02:31:09,320 --> 02:31:12,320 (people chattering) 2012 02:31:12,320 --> 02:31:25,320 (people chattering) 2013 02:31:37,320 --> 02:31:40,320 (people chattering) 2014 02:31:40,320 --> 02:31:43,320 (people chattering) 2015 02:31:43,320 --> 02:31:54,320 (people chattering) 2016 02:32:07,320 --> 02:32:10,320 (people chattering) 2017 02:32:10,320 --> 02:32:25,320 (people chattering) 2018 02:32:38,320 --> 02:32:40,320 - All right, let's start wrapping up 2019 02:32:40,320 --> 02:32:42,320 the conversation at the tables. 2020 02:32:42,320 --> 02:32:45,320 (people chattering) 2021 02:32:45,320 --> 02:32:52,320 And before we jump into this final comment section, 2022 02:32:52,320 --> 02:32:54,320 Peggy Capps has agreed to do a reprise 2023 02:32:54,320 --> 02:32:56,320 of her role of Sweet Adeline 2024 02:32:56,320 --> 02:32:58,320 (people laughing) 2025 02:32:58,320 --> 02:33:00,320 back at that 1973. 2026 02:33:00,320 --> 02:33:02,320 So if you could hand her a microphone. 2027 02:33:02,320 --> 02:33:03,320 (people chattering) 2028 02:33:03,320 --> 02:33:05,320 Okay, we'll do that next week. 2029 02:33:05,320 --> 02:33:07,320 So what questions do we have? 2030 02:33:07,320 --> 02:33:09,320 Or not questions, comments, discussion. 2031 02:33:09,320 --> 02:33:13,320 This was a very robust Q&A and table conversation. 2032 02:33:13,320 --> 02:33:16,320 So I imagine there's a lot of thoughts on this. 2033 02:33:16,320 --> 02:33:17,320 Anything? 2034 02:33:17,320 --> 02:33:19,320 (people chattering) 2035 02:33:19,320 --> 02:33:21,320 - Just something to consider. 2036 02:33:21,320 --> 02:33:23,320 How much are we paying right now 2037 02:33:23,320 --> 02:33:27,320 to keep it maintained and afloat completely vacant? 2038 02:33:27,320 --> 02:33:31,320 - Tom's coming up. 2039 02:33:31,320 --> 02:33:34,320 But so any maintenance on it right now 2040 02:33:34,320 --> 02:33:36,320 is just part of our normal operating budget. 2041 02:33:36,320 --> 02:33:37,320 And with it being stripped, 2042 02:33:37,320 --> 02:33:40,320 there's only minimal maintenance to it. 2043 02:33:40,320 --> 02:33:43,320 We're probably walking the building once a month, 2044 02:33:43,320 --> 02:33:45,320 once a quarter. 2045 02:33:45,320 --> 02:33:47,320 - Yeah, we try to do once a quarter, 2046 02:33:47,320 --> 02:33:48,320 walk through the buildings. 2047 02:33:48,320 --> 02:33:51,320 If you remember from the condition assessment, 2048 02:33:51,320 --> 02:33:55,320 at the point where any money we put into this is lost, right? 2049 02:33:55,320 --> 02:33:56,320 So even if we keep it vacant, 2050 02:33:56,320 --> 02:33:57,320 we're still required to go 2051 02:33:57,320 --> 02:33:59,320 and make sure the window caulk is good. 2052 02:33:59,320 --> 02:34:00,320 The roof still stays intact. 2053 02:34:00,320 --> 02:34:03,320 We're not breaking other plumbing fixtures 2054 02:34:03,320 --> 02:34:05,320 in the wintertime, 2055 02:34:05,320 --> 02:34:07,320 running the little bit of lights that are there 2056 02:34:07,320 --> 02:34:08,320 and then the outside chillers. 2057 02:34:08,320 --> 02:34:10,320 So any of that money being invested in that building 2058 02:34:10,320 --> 02:34:12,320 while we keep it vacant is just lost. 2059 02:34:12,320 --> 02:34:13,320 We'll never return it. 2060 02:34:13,320 --> 02:34:15,320 And if we do put any money into it 2061 02:34:15,320 --> 02:34:17,320 to make it minimally operational, 2062 02:34:17,320 --> 02:34:19,320 the minute that we do a full overhaul, 2063 02:34:19,320 --> 02:34:20,320 that money there is also wasted 2064 02:34:20,320 --> 02:34:22,320 as an investment to this building. 2065 02:34:22,320 --> 02:34:30,320 - We were talking in our table. 2066 02:34:30,320 --> 02:34:32,320 Is there any way to gauge the economic impact 2067 02:34:32,320 --> 02:34:35,320 of having like a landmark staple building 2068 02:34:35,320 --> 02:34:37,320 for an event or something 2069 02:34:37,320 --> 02:34:40,320 and how that impacts the other local businesses around 2070 02:34:40,320 --> 02:34:42,320 so people are going to a restaurant doing this 2071 02:34:42,320 --> 02:34:44,320 and all these other things 2072 02:34:44,320 --> 02:34:46,320 'cause they were drawn to that space? 2073 02:34:46,320 --> 02:34:49,320 Do we have anything that could help support that? 2074 02:34:49,320 --> 02:34:51,320 - Yes, and we can provide that in a follow-up. 2075 02:34:51,320 --> 02:34:53,320 Wayne, our economic development director, 2076 02:34:53,320 --> 02:34:57,320 has given us previously, if the building's occupied, 2077 02:34:57,320 --> 02:34:59,320 this is what the economic impact is. 2078 02:34:59,320 --> 02:35:01,320 Because again, if we have people in there's office space, 2079 02:35:01,320 --> 02:35:03,320 they're gonna walk to the square, 2080 02:35:03,320 --> 02:35:05,320 they're gonna eat lunch there. 2081 02:35:05,320 --> 02:35:07,320 So he definitely has some models 2082 02:35:07,320 --> 02:35:09,320 that kind of show an economic impact. 2083 02:35:09,320 --> 02:35:11,320 So we'll follow up and provide that 2084 02:35:11,320 --> 02:35:12,320 in the parking lot questions. 2085 02:35:12,320 --> 02:35:13,320 Good question. 2086 02:35:13,320 --> 02:35:24,320 - Christine, you mentioned parking study. 2087 02:35:24,320 --> 02:35:28,320 - Apparently don't hold the bottom. 2088 02:35:28,320 --> 02:35:30,320 - There we go. 2089 02:35:30,320 --> 02:35:31,320 - You mentioned parking study. 2090 02:35:31,320 --> 02:35:34,320 What's the timing though of more parking coming online 2091 02:35:34,320 --> 02:35:37,320 vis-a-vis this coming online? 2092 02:35:37,320 --> 02:35:41,320 - There wouldn't be any additional parking coming online. 2093 02:35:41,320 --> 02:35:43,320 Right now the parking for the building 2094 02:35:43,320 --> 02:35:46,320 is the public parking lot behind the building. 2095 02:35:46,320 --> 02:35:50,320 The lot, this parking lot would be considered 2096 02:35:50,320 --> 02:35:52,320 close enough proximity if there was an event. 2097 02:35:52,320 --> 02:35:55,320 So there wouldn't be any additional parking 2098 02:35:55,320 --> 02:35:57,320 proposed with this building, 2099 02:35:57,320 --> 02:35:59,320 and there's not any additional public parking 2100 02:35:59,320 --> 02:36:02,320 being proposed in this downtown area. 2101 02:36:02,320 --> 02:36:04,320 Again, the two things that are gonna kind of help us guide 2102 02:36:04,320 --> 02:36:07,320 what our need is, is that parking assessment 2103 02:36:07,320 --> 02:36:09,320 and then the downtown master plan. 2104 02:36:09,320 --> 02:36:11,320 - I would just point out that 2105 02:36:11,320 --> 02:36:13,320 whenever there's an event downtown, 2106 02:36:13,320 --> 02:36:17,320 that parking that's in existence is full. 2107 02:36:17,320 --> 02:36:23,320 - Even when there's not an event. 2108 02:36:23,320 --> 02:36:27,320 - So kind of a two part question, 2109 02:36:27,320 --> 02:36:29,320 but I'd like to hear from other people in the room. 2110 02:36:29,320 --> 02:36:32,320 I get a sense from the folks who are involved. 2111 02:36:32,320 --> 02:36:33,320 There are lots of people volunteering numbers 2112 02:36:33,320 --> 02:36:35,320 from campus theater. 2113 02:36:35,320 --> 02:36:40,320 In our festival community and in the existing facilities, 2114 02:36:40,320 --> 02:36:44,320 kind of the extent to which those are booked up, 2115 02:36:44,320 --> 02:36:46,320 the availability of those, the need for more space 2116 02:36:46,320 --> 02:36:49,320 from a community standpoint, spaces like this, 2117 02:36:49,320 --> 02:36:51,320 but then also from the city, 2118 02:36:51,320 --> 02:36:53,320 like what kind of meetings is the city having? 2119 02:36:53,320 --> 02:36:55,320 What kind of public hearings is the city having 2120 02:36:55,320 --> 02:36:57,320 that could be somewhere else? 2121 02:36:57,320 --> 02:36:59,320 I know we use this room a lot 2122 02:36:59,320 --> 02:37:01,320 because it's the biggest space available, 2123 02:37:01,320 --> 02:37:04,320 but it's not always the best setup. 2124 02:37:04,320 --> 02:37:06,320 For us, it's great, but for other meetings, 2125 02:37:06,320 --> 02:37:07,320 it might not be the best setup. 2126 02:37:07,320 --> 02:37:11,320 So kind of what is the need from a municipal side 2127 02:37:11,320 --> 02:37:14,320 and then from a community side also that's already there? 2128 02:37:25,320 --> 02:37:34,320 I can speak a little bit about the Denton Community Theater. 2129 02:37:34,320 --> 02:37:40,320 It has 299 seats, and it's always utilized 2130 02:37:40,320 --> 02:37:46,320 because we have musicals and performances and rehearsals, 2131 02:37:46,320 --> 02:37:52,320 and we have many other people that have asked to lease it 2132 02:37:52,320 --> 02:37:57,320 for recitals and weddings and things of that nature 2133 02:37:57,320 --> 02:38:00,320 that we have not been able to do. 2134 02:38:00,320 --> 02:38:02,320 We have a children's theater 2135 02:38:02,320 --> 02:38:06,320 that we were desperate to find space for. 2136 02:38:06,320 --> 02:38:09,320 Now we're at the mall, Skull and Triangle Mall, 2137 02:38:09,320 --> 02:38:12,320 and the community theater is doing like a black box 2138 02:38:12,320 --> 02:38:15,320 where the movie theater was at the mall. 2139 02:38:15,320 --> 02:38:19,320 But we looked for a long, long, long time 2140 02:38:19,320 --> 02:38:23,320 to find space that would be appropriate for the theater. 2141 02:38:23,320 --> 02:38:27,320 So there's a lot of performances out there that probably could... 2142 02:38:27,320 --> 02:38:30,320 In answer to your question, Jesse, 2143 02:38:30,320 --> 02:38:33,320 everybody's always looking for rehearsal--oh, sorry. 2144 02:38:33,320 --> 02:38:35,320 In answer to your question, 2145 02:38:35,320 --> 02:38:39,320 everybody is always looking for rehearsal space, always. 2146 02:38:39,320 --> 02:38:44,320 Performance space, like Janet said, we're constantly-- 2147 02:38:44,320 --> 02:38:46,320 we go from one show to another to another, 2148 02:38:46,320 --> 02:38:52,320 and then between all of that, we have church in there, 2149 02:38:52,320 --> 02:38:56,320 and we've got, you know, some of the dance-- 2150 02:38:56,320 --> 02:38:59,320 the dance projects are in there. 2151 02:38:59,320 --> 02:39:03,320 But constantly, rehearsal space is always a need 2152 02:39:03,320 --> 02:39:06,320 for all of the performances in this town. 2153 02:39:06,320 --> 02:39:11,320 One more comment? 2154 02:39:11,320 --> 02:39:14,320 I don't know if you guys would know the answer to this, 2155 02:39:14,320 --> 02:39:17,320 but I think--I just want to ask about this in comparison 2156 02:39:17,320 --> 02:39:20,320 or looking at that fine arts building on the square, 2157 02:39:20,320 --> 02:39:22,320 which seems to be sitting empty. 2158 02:39:22,320 --> 02:39:25,320 How does--does that play a role into any of your thinking, 2159 02:39:25,320 --> 02:39:28,320 or I think it's privately owned, I'm not sure, 2160 02:39:28,320 --> 02:39:32,320 but is there any discussion that takes in consideration? 2161 02:39:32,320 --> 02:39:36,320 There's another theater building just a couple of blocks south of that. 2162 02:39:36,320 --> 02:39:42,320 I'm going to provide the correct response through the follow-up, 2163 02:39:42,320 --> 02:39:47,320 but that theater, I believe, has been vacant since 1981, 2164 02:39:47,320 --> 02:39:49,320 the fine arts theater. 2165 02:39:49,320 --> 02:39:53,320 And so our economic development director's philosophy, 2166 02:39:53,320 --> 02:39:55,320 which will provide his correct responses, 2167 02:39:55,320 --> 02:39:57,320 doesn't take away from anything. 2168 02:39:57,320 --> 02:40:00,320 We're just adding more space, more reasons to be downtown, 2169 02:40:00,320 --> 02:40:03,320 more reasons to have events. 2170 02:40:03,320 --> 02:40:05,320 So I'll provide the correct response, 2171 02:40:05,320 --> 02:40:08,320 but that's the philosophy he shared with investing 2172 02:40:08,320 --> 02:40:13,320 in any of these facilities that will provide more space. 2173 02:40:13,320 --> 02:40:18,320 So speaking for DBFF, Natalie's going to hit me. 2174 02:40:18,320 --> 02:40:21,320 We would definitely love to use a space like that, 2175 02:40:21,320 --> 02:40:26,320 because being downtown, I think, as people come to Denton, 2176 02:40:26,320 --> 02:40:33,320 it's really important for them to be able to just experience what's downtown. 2177 02:40:33,320 --> 02:40:38,320 And so I think that's one of the things that our attendees always talk about. 2178 02:40:38,320 --> 02:40:43,320 They can walk six minutes and get to the next restaurant or venue. 2179 02:40:43,320 --> 02:40:44,320 So I think it would be great, 2180 02:40:44,320 --> 02:40:47,320 and we could utilize it definitely throughout the year, 2181 02:40:47,320 --> 02:40:52,320 not just that period of time. 2182 02:40:52,320 --> 02:40:54,320 Awesome. 2183 02:40:54,320 --> 02:40:58,320 All right, guys, we're heading into the last thing for tonight, 2184 02:40:58,320 --> 02:41:03,320 and what that is is the facilitators have in their packets QR codes 2185 02:41:03,320 --> 02:41:05,320 for this temperature gauge. 2186 02:41:05,320 --> 02:41:11,320 Now, again, the idea is it's a five -- you get to react on a five-point scale, 2187 02:41:11,320 --> 02:41:17,320 one being currently I feel like I'm in full support of pushing this forward, 2188 02:41:17,320 --> 02:41:22,320 and five being like, no way, and then something in between. 2189 02:41:22,320 --> 02:41:26,320 So it's asking you seven questions when you get on there, 2190 02:41:26,320 --> 02:41:30,320 starting with last week's projects, since we're catching up. 2191 02:41:30,320 --> 02:41:31,320 I just did it. 2192 02:41:31,320 --> 02:41:33,320 It took me about 30 seconds. 2193 02:41:33,320 --> 02:41:36,320 So the idea is to just scan that with your phone. 2194 02:41:36,320 --> 02:41:37,320 It will open up a link. 2195 02:41:37,320 --> 02:41:40,320 You start the survey, and then you scroll down through it, 2196 02:41:40,320 --> 02:41:45,320 giving it your -- whether I'm in support or wherever you fall on that spectrum. 2197 02:41:45,320 --> 02:41:48,320 If anyone needs help, raise your hand. 2198 02:41:48,320 --> 02:41:52,320 We also, I think, have a couple computers elsewhere in the back 2199 02:41:52,320 --> 02:41:57,320 that if somebody can't access this in their phone, we can help you get access. 2200 02:41:57,320 --> 02:42:00,320 My phone died during this three-hour meeting. 2201 02:42:00,320 --> 02:42:02,320 Come on back. 2202 02:42:02,320 --> 02:42:10,320 I think they're going to get you back here. 2203 02:42:10,320 --> 02:42:37,320 And then as soon as we're through with that -- 2204 02:42:37,320 --> 02:42:46,320 yes. 2205 02:42:46,320 --> 02:42:47,320 And one more announcement. 2206 02:42:47,320 --> 02:42:48,320 You're finishing that up. 2207 02:42:48,320 --> 02:42:52,320 If you have not yet RSVP'd to come to the tour on Saturday, 2208 02:42:52,320 --> 02:42:54,320 you can do that live here. 2209 02:42:54,320 --> 02:42:59,320 You can come up here to the front of the meeting and let Tammy know, 2210 02:42:59,320 --> 02:43:06,320 and she'll get you set up. 2211 02:43:06,320 --> 02:43:10,320 We'll probably have a new QR code next time, yeah. 2212 02:43:10,320 --> 02:43:12,320 All right, so I'll let you guys finish that up, 2213 02:43:12,320 --> 02:43:15,320 but for the sake of those of you guys who are ready to get going, 2214 02:43:15,320 --> 02:43:17,320 we officially close this meeting. 2215 02:43:17,320 --> 02:43:18,320 Thank you guys so much. 2216 02:43:18,320 --> 02:43:20,320 We'll see you next week.