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 All right everybody welcome to the sustainability framework advisory

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 committee it is 102 we are in the City Council work session room we do have a

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 quorum barely so we will go ahead and begin with our first item well it's

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 Friday May 26 let me go ahead and add that we will go ahead and begin with our

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 item for individual consideration. Item A consider approval of the April 28 2023

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 minutes. Does anyone have a chance to look over those? Do you have any concerns? Questions? Comments? Motions? I move approval. Okay all right. All in favor? I. I. All right we will move on to

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 item B. Receive a report. Hold a discussion regarding an update on the

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 city's organizational performance management tools and resources. And we have Amy Kaslick our Chief Strategic Officer here today. And just a reminder we're using the mics from above. Okay. So that's for everyone.

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 So good afternoon I'm Amy Kaslick I am the city's Chief Strategy Officer and I'm

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 here today to provide you with an update on the overall city's organizational

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 strategy and share the work that's being done across the organization. So last

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 summer council revised and reaffirmed their key focus areas as you see here on

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 the screen. These focus areas really are the foundation for all that we do. You'll

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 also know that among these six key focus areas are promote sustainability and the

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 environment. So the position of Chief Strategy Officer was created last fall

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 to help ensure that the organization is focused on strategy. So I want to take a

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 few minutes to share with you the reasons why strategic planning is so

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 important for us. One it helps set the overall direction of the city. It creates

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 a focus ensures that we are focused on the right things. It aligns the

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 organization around a common set of goals and really in doing that it also

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 helps us break down silos across the organization as we work to achieve those

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 goals. It lets those goals take the lead in the decision-making process and in

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 general it makes us more aware of and responsive to the community and the

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 organizational needs because oftentimes when creating strategic plans you're

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 bringing in a lot of customer feedback into that process so you've got that

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 focus on those needs. Today we're going to be focused on those last two boxes

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 where strategic planning really is a management tool and it creates

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 accountability across the organization. So because that's so important to us as

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 an organization we have launched a strategic plan dashboard that really

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 helps us to bolster transparency throughout the community. So we have a

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 new strategic plan dashboard it launched actually in March. It highlights over

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 100 initiatives across the organization that are aligned with council's key

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 focus areas. I'm going to take a closer look hopefully this will work and open up

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 this dashboard to share that with you.

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 I was going to say I probably opened it three times. Okay so this is the city's new strategic

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 planning dashboard we're actually able to have this dashboard convert into or

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 translate into 22 different languages. It also optimizes based on whichever

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 device you're using whether that's a widescreen monitor if you're using an

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 iPad or even a cell phone it will optimize to each one of those devices. So

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 in this we provide an overview of the city of Denton of its strategic plan. We

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 also have a link to highlights from the last year prior to the strategic planning

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 dashboard being built. You'll see on here that we then have the city's six key

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 focus areas. The blue line you see here is a progress bar so it shows the

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 percent of completion for all of the initiatives that are aligned with this

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 particular key focus area. And then you'll see some different colors on the

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 bar. This is indicative of the statuses of initiatives that are aligned with each

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 of these key focus areas. So green is on track, yellow means that there are some

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 minor disruptions so there may be a delay in timely completion of the

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 initiative. Red means there have been some major disruptions that absolutely

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 will delay the timely completion of an initiative. Purple means we've got

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 initiatives that are out there in the future. Their start date just hasn't

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 come about yet. Everything in this plan has been updated otherwise we would see

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 a gray bar to say that you know there are things that haven't received an

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 update yet. Just in case that was a lot of information we follow that up with a

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 legend to tell you what each of those colors mean. So I'm going to take a

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 deeper dive into to promote sustainability and the environment. So

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 we're able to take a closer look at that. Once we open up this particular key

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 focus area we see a bit of data and this is data from our most recent community

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 survey. So it has data around the overall quality of the natural environment, water

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 resources, preservation of natural areas, cleanliness, and air quality. Again

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 repeating what we saw on the previous screen we see the percent completion for

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 all of those initiatives that are aligned with these this key focus area

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 and then the statuses of those initiatives. Next we'll see. Yes sir. Is

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 that alright if I interrupt? Go ahead. Yeah can you just scroll down back down a

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 little bit? Yeah yeah. Here? No a little further. You said there's something that

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 shows the status. Right so on the previous screen there is a legend to

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 just tell you what each of those colors mean. So but do they does this plan

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 specifically target and tell the people what isn't working or what's behind? Yes.

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 It does. Yes it does. Thank you. And you'll see that in just a moment. So then we have

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 two strategic objectives underneath this particular key focus area. So we'll take

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 a look at the first one which is preserve existing natural resources.

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 overall we have a 50% progress rate. We have 66% that are on track and then 33%

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 that are completed for this particular strategic objective. And so then we're

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 able to open that. And what we see next are all of the initiatives that are

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 then at let's choose create wildlife corridor map we're able to then drill

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 Another thing in here is that you're able to search the plan. So let's say you

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 Hartley Field mountain bike trail and the other is expand the bike and

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 pedestrian network. So we'll go ahead and open that one and again we see the

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 the we have the simply sustainable plan and so these are key focus areas. How do

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 the organization. So we have already built a plan, built and launched a plan

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 for the economic development strategic plan. Denton's public library. They are

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 required to prepare a strategic plan every five years. Theirs has now been

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 the full report for that plan directly from this dashboard and then we shared

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 some of the guiding principles behind behind the plan. And that plan has eight

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 is not a live dashboard but you'll be able to take a deeper dive into each one

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 the last update that happens in regards to this topic. Can it be sorted to where you

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 connectivity is there. Okay. The other one is this is really impressive. Do you do you

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 possible then I do that as well. All right. Very good. Thank you so much. This is great.

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 Receiver report hold a discussion and give staff direction regarding climate

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 action and adaptation plan targets and actions prioritization.

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 Awesome. So yeah I'm Carol Fraser SSG sustainability solutions group coming to this

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 group again for the third time regarding the climate action and adaptation plans

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 so today I'm here to talk about the targets and actions that we're

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 recommending. So as a reminder last time I was here I was discussing our

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 projections of Denton's emissions over time between now and 2050. So that top line

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 that you're seeing is the business as planned scenario that we've modeled with

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 emissions projected to reach about 1700 megatons of CO2 by 2050 and we've put

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 that in juxtaposition to the goals that were adopted by City Council to

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 reduce emissions by 46% by 2030 and to net zero by 2050. So as you can see

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 there's quite a gap between businesses planned and those goals and these

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 actions are meant to address that gap and reduce emissions down to those levels. By

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 nearly every sector except for buildings we're projecting that emissions would

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 of emissions in the City of Denton increasing by nearly 40% by 2050. So we've put

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 together actions by sector starting with transportation. So here are some targets

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 for 2030 and 2050 regarding transportation in Denton. First of all by 2030 increasing

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 biking and walking to 12% of all trips. Currently right now there are about 5% of all trips so that's a little bit more than doubling over the next seven years and then by 2050 increasing that again to about 20% of all trips.

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 This doesn't include transit, just biking and walking. In terms of electric vehicles, zero emission vehicles, the goal would be by 2030 for 60% of new vehicles registered in Denton to be zero emissions and by 2050 that figure would be 100% in vehicles with zero emissions.

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 In terms of the actions that can be taken to meet these goals and targets so encouraging walking, biking, transit and alternative travel modes, encouraging the purchase and use of EVs and e-bikes, building out infrastructure for people to move and gather safely for example the bike trail network and the bike network in general as you see here and that's from the most recent mobility plan.

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 Other actions to meet those goals would be to take action and create policies that reduce travel distances and increase local access to resources so people's daily needs. Creating low emission zones that restrict or rather encourage traveling to those places by bike or by transit other than driving alone and that increase transit ridership.

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 Actions to reconsider parking so taking a look at parking minimums considering parking maximums and looking at ways that parking fees charges for parking can fund non-car based infrastructure improvements on that bike network, sidewalks, street trees, that kind of thing.

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 Another action would be to facilitate V-charging infrastructure, developing the EV charger network around the city that can promote EV use and alleviate that feeling of range anxiety, am I going to have enough charge or am I going to be able to charge once it gets to my destination.

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 And finally creating an EV strategy that identifies how various partners including DCTA, universities, etc. can build up that network and encourage EV adoption.

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 We have some city of Denton specific targets as well for the city's fleet so the first one being by 2030, 60% of new city fleet will be zero emissions vehicles.

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 And that by 2050 the fleet will be ride sized so considerations around using the most efficient vehicle for the usage purpose of the trip and that all of the city's vehicles will be under the science of emissions.

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 And in addition to that ride sizing it would be an action taken by the city to fully embrace the EV adopt options as they're available so that's across the different types of vehicles the city needs to do its business.

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 Actions and just the future projection but when you say city fleet does that include DISD school bus fleet?

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 The city fleet would only be the city, it wouldn't include DISD and then in terms of at least for the goals and targets listed here and then in terms of the emissions that you're seeing in the model those school buses, existing school buses are captured in there.

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 We don't draw them out specifically but the modeling that we base our modeling on does capture those trips but it's going to be only what's actually happening in Boundary of City of Denton so it's my understanding that as you were mentioning DISD is expanding their operations beyond the city boundary so that part of the trip is not captured but we do capture what's happened in years usually about half the trip.

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 First one up I guess a more higher level question since this is a plan and those are typically very applied as opposed to say our framework which is more the general goal and direction there's some language in here that makes it feel more like a framework than a plan when we're using words like encourage or facilitate or target I saw an embrace in there.

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 Versus more action oriented words like create or facilitate where there's a specific action that we are taking and given that this is a plan that is supposed to outline you know those specific steps that we are going to be taking to reach these goals that we've already outlined in the framework document I'm just curious on, I know this is just the presentation but is there more of a breakdown you could give us on some of those previous slides especially in the trip?

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 In terms of transportation sections since that is our biggest emission source so when we're talking about the mode shifting as an example when we're saying encourage, encourage, encourage versus build could you just kind of break down what those steps might look like within the baseline of this document?

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 Carol I think I want to jump in on this a little bit so we keep shifting over into the how whatever we're having these conversations and we need to back up and look at these are just the targets and the actions not the implementation yet so that's where we struggle with that too so I know exactly what you're talking about it's like okay but how so that's the next step we're trying to prioritize the targets and the actions today and then move into implementation.

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 Thank you for that clarification it's really helpful for sure yeah um are we digging into these sections as we're moving through them I think we should do one section by section okay um I did have a question I think it's on the next slide yeah so um I understand that the general frame is is again that mode shifting or at least the vehicle miles travel reduction and so I the target at the top where it talks about reducing the travel distance is that sounds like a land use question.

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 if this is an appropriate section for that to be and I understand because it is the transportation factor but it's it's really a planning and policy question on how we curate our communities and how they're designed but then a little farther down it talks about the EV stations and promoting charging and I understand too that's part of this picture and maybe not an insignificant piece of it but it just seems that the facilitating personal vehicle travel at the same time as trying to reduce the usage.

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 of personal vehicles might be a little at odds with itself so I'm just wondering how how you would interpret those two goals and then the way that they would overlap yeah so they're you're bringing up some some great points definitely on that on that first point it is related to that land use policy and kind of okay how do we ensure that as we as we grow as I say the amenities and the services that people are trying to access are closer to where they want to be.

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 where they live or where they work and that they're able to yeah in the day to day make choices that result in shorter trips and by translation you know trips that they can go by transit or walking or biking and then in terms of the EV charging infrastructure you know promoting EVs you know there's a recognition as well that in that transitional period between some of those land use changes maybe coming to fruition there's a long time

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 scale as you mentioned there is a need to reduce emissions to meet the goals of getting around by car right now right that's how most people get around there aren't necessarily viable alternatives you know that's kind of what we've been hearing and even people who want to do something else it's just the practical reality so helping people make that switch sooner rather than later helping those emissions come down sooner rather than later is part of the strategy as well.

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 Just whenever we talk about these just remember how everything intertwines with everything else and we're building so transportation and land use build on each other so we can have increased reductions as we try to set two different focus areas so they go back to a sustainability framework.

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 Okay thank you I just have a final comment and I don't know if maybe you heard this in your focus group last night too but on the community-wide actions I feel like this is a priority at least again on that mode shifting and enabling people to make day-to-day decisions that reduce those vehicle miles traveled and I understand in the local context too for Denton we don't control our public transit system exclusively at least.

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 And so I just wonder getting that language in this plan that we were at least working toward that goal of increasing that accessibility with public transit might be another one of these enabling factors for that mode shifting in the transportation section at least putting it down in a policy document that we're communicating to council we're communicating to residents and then people who get on the DCTA board that this is the goal that our city is setting out to increase that accessibility for public transit locally.

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 what I'm wondering is where does that adaptation show up is it always framed as a kind of co-benefit of some sort of emissions reduction strategy? Is that the idea? Yeah exactly so in the plan and when I come to present to you again another time we'll have more about those co-benefits of taking some of these actions to mitigate and reduce emissions such as retrofitting buildings and reduce you know improving air quality through reductions in particulate waste.

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 In particulate matter that kind of thing that's going to have other other benefits for resilience around being held or surviving a power outage in your home that kind of thing so they are kind of coming later in that part of the framework but because of the goals of the city's pass around emission reduction that's kind of our overarching north star of this plan in terms of mitigation.

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 It's interesting if I can just comment because if that is the north star back to this conversation you all were just having you could think more than just in theory we'll swap out all of our vehicles for electric vehicles and keep the same infrastructure and we would hit that target right so it raises your question about what are the actual goals here because some of the stuff that is about land use and how we design a city is more about kind of what the

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 way of life and many people don't like that and that's they're sort of finding trying to find a way in this plan to talk about that as well you know can I disagree with you just a little bit so I guess in my mind there is a lot of embodied carbon in a city built for personal vehicle use that we don't necessarily capture in our emissions because they weren't locally generated though they're being locally used so the amount of energy and especially carbon and this is fun to look at if you look at the emissions

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 this framework yeah exactly so this project is dealing with scope one and scope two but scope three is yeah you're bringing up some great points and stuff like that the next frontier that a lot of cities are looking at okay that gets us to one zero emissions goal but there's a bigger picture out there so it's something to consider for future

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 and just a note on what you're bringing up around these in net zero keeping in mind that about 10 percent of residences or buildings in Denton are not supplied with electricity from D&E they're supplied with electricity from two other utilities that don't have the same removal for folio so at present if that trend continues even if every vehicle in Denton is replaced with an EV you can still have some emissions

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 and identifying and increasing waste diversion rate to 30 percent by 2030 for the water side things reducing leaks in potable water distribution the water network by 10 percent and reducing the gallons of water use per capita by 5 percent a lot of that coming from reducing residential irrigation by 50 percent so increasing the purple pipe program as well as native plant use as well

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 further out same sector so for 2040 and 2050 goal would be by 2050 to decrease waste generated per capita by 40 percent and increasing the waste diversion rate to 40 percent into 75 percent by 2075 further out by 2040 reducing potable water use by 15 percent overall and reducing gallons of water use per capita by 25 percent by 2030

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 some of the actions to support those targets could be to continue and expand education on waste diversion such as you see here provide resources to reduce waste and explore options to maximize the diversion of fat spoils and greases this can be used to create renewable natural gas which can be an energy source or can be used to produce electricity

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 renewable natural gas is still methane correct it is methane yes other community-wide actions to support these goals be encouraging use of more efficient water fixtures so exploring requirements or mandates for using those types of fixtures that's increasing native plant use as we see here

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 for the city of Denton itself the goals would be to reduce waste generated by city activities by 40 percent by 2040 and to decrease the use of potable water by 40 percent by 2040

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 and the actions to support that would be to reduce irrigation watering to maximum twice weekly on the land that the city is watering and exploring other reduction options installing low-flow high-efficiency plumbing in all buildings and expediting the actions that were identified in the comprehensive solid waste management strategy which was recently passed

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 Would you like to pass it here? Yes. Go ahead. Any questions? Adam?

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 The emissions from the waste and waste water sector, can you explain those? What are they? What are they included? Is that moving water around and is that methane from the landfill?

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 Yeah, I can show maybe this graph again. So methane from the landfill that's not currently being captured, some of it is, but it is being captured. And then it also takes quite a bit of energy and electricity to clean water for potable use and then to process waste water and put it back out into the environment again.

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 So those are projected to rise quite a bit as you see the second column here over time, but we now know if you do the population growth, primary population driven economic growth of businesses. So that's why we've included these actions here.

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 Okay. There's also emissions associated with waste water processing. From electricity use? From the actual processing.

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 Ray Roberts is outside of the D&E service area right now. So that's one area where those emissions are higher. Plus they're just one of the largest, the largest energy users in the city.

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 That's very common in the cities, for the city itself. For the city, for the municipal utilities.

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 Are you good? I have a couple. So on the waste reduction, does that include our contracts, our outside contracts that we have? Are we working on reducing that? I mean, that's all included in those numbers and reductions?

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 That's a really good question. Because we have several outside contracts that some bring in more than we actually make as a city. So how does that factor in on the emissions inventory?

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 That's right, yeah. How does recycling program fit into all of this? And does recycling itself add to the carbon footprint?

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 I'll just add on that with what Stephen presented last month. We'll keep working with Stephen as he works on his plans and then coordinate the education piece on that. We'll start more education in the summer and start working towards that. We'll see more coming out of those plans to help build on this.

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 We have reduced contamination. So our growth tons have gone down, but our net tons have gone up at the same time. So we're recycling more.

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 The controls that we're using are working. So we know that we're recycling more through the Merck now and seeing a reduced contamination.

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 So it's happening. We can bring back a presentation to kind of talk about all of that. We're working on some ISRs for council right now.

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 So buildings and energy. So the goals, the targets here would be by 2050 to have 68 megawatts of generating capability to come from renewable sources with local control.

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 Some more targets for this sector. So in 2024, we're viewing the ability for new warehouses and data centers to be co-located with industrial buildings to harness waste heat.

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 A few more actions here for that industry one. So partnering with industry identifying ways that they can save on their costs and reduce energy, obviously meeting its goals.

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 The city of Denton specific targets. So by 2030 to retrofit all city facilities with LED lighting, reduce electricity use for lighting. And by 2025 to exceed CECO electric use reduction by 5% against 2019 baseline year.

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 And continue to reach that 100% renewable energy supply for the new customers as per the plan. So that would include researching renewable options that can be directly controlled and operated by the community.

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 To create a network to use that underground between them. So there's an opportunity there for industrial buildings to work with their neighbors, sell some of that waste heat, generate some revenue from themselves and then potentially to be a way to reduce the amount of resources that DNE needs to figure out going forward.

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 Is that, as far as infrastructure, does that need to be planned before build or can that be done after? It's a really good question. It's a lot easier to do before you build. Retrofitting existing ones would be more costly. So this is kind of more of a future looking action around, you know, there's a lot of growth, yeah exactly expected in this sector.

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 Essentially it seems possible. And then another kind of just like definition of terms, the net zero energy ready, that's not a term I'm familiar with, did you explain that one?

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 That could be done through the way the building is designed, the way it's oriented to the sun or other buildings, including shade, that kind of thing. So you essentially are ready to reach net zero because you've reduced energies for that building so much that if you put solar panels on it, that would open up.

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 So we don't currently get that micro on like our residential zoning definitions. I'm just curious, have you seen this, what strategies have you seen other cities use to implement a tool like that that either incentivizes or requires or whatever their action word is to meet that type of goal?

320
00:56:13,540 --> 00:56:33,540
 Yeah, that would be through the development code or building energy code. So it kind of sets potentially targets for how much the energy use intensity of new buildings of certain types should be. That's one mechanism or maybe by building size.

321
00:56:33,540 --> 00:56:44,540
 Do you have a city in mind that you could let us tell us so that we could maybe go and investigate and look into what they've done?

322
00:56:44,540 --> 00:57:08,540
 I would say in Texas, certainly the city of Austin's green development standards. They're not quite at the net zero energy ready level, but they're going in that direction. And then other jurisdictions across the U.S. Washington state has some really kind of advanced legislation around these kind of targets for green construction.

323
00:57:08,540 --> 00:57:30,540
 One other on this slide, the really aggressive target numbers on the heat pumps. I guess I'm just curious, have you, we do have packages of rebates that are already out there for residents to take advantage of and they are rebates.

324
00:57:30,540 --> 00:57:44,540
 We're not necessarily like we're putting it down for you. I'm just curious. I know that's a major factor in our residential energy usage. How do you mean that aggressive of a target in 20 years?

325
00:57:44,540 --> 00:58:03,540
 Yeah, so part of this is also based on trends. Even in most recent years, heat pumps are starting to outstrip gas furnaces or electric resistance heating. It's not that much of that here, but and that's just becoming the kind of default option for more and more people, not for everyone.

326
00:58:03,540 --> 00:58:24,540
 They are still expensive, so some of those rebates that you're bringing up could help with meeting those targets as well. And then also the Biden administration has kind of an industrial policy push around encouraging, supporting, even incentivizing heat pump manufacturing in the U.S.

327
00:58:24,540 --> 00:58:39,540
 and kind of just having more supply in bringing some of those prices down. So we are basing this on what current trends are intended, what we've heard from the utility, as well as what the projections are on groups like International Energy Association.

328
00:58:39,540 --> 00:59:00,540
 And then looking at what's kind of coming down the line. I guess that one, at least within this category, that one I feel like is a really major section in this guy. But I also, if I'm remembering right, I think it was the 2018 Texas Ledge that stipulated cities couldn't require specific energy sources to be coordinated in their municipalities.

329
00:59:00,540 --> 00:59:12,540
 I'm just curious, because we don't have that tool in our toolbox to require new constructions to have these, beyond just incentivizations, do we have anything else that we can grab in this bag?

330
00:59:12,540 --> 00:59:40,540
 Yeah, I think education, the educational campaigns can be a big part of that. The beauty of heat pumps, kind of electric or gas, and you're bringing up a point to point, the city cannot specify what type. But they are much more efficient than other types of heating and cooling systems, and that's going to just reduce the energy that's needed, reduce your energy costs, there's an energy cost savings over time.

331
00:59:40,540 --> 00:59:55,540
 So that may be appealing to folks. And you also get the bonus if you get two units in one, you get heating and air conditioning. That may also be appealing. So maybe figuring out ways that the city can intervene at that point of failure, right?

332
00:59:55,540 --> 01:00:13,540
 Like someone, you know, their heater failed or their air conditioner failed, they need one ASAP, working with contractors, working with suppliers, really kind of steering people into that direction, so that choice is easier.

333
01:00:13,540 --> 01:00:31,540
 On the last slide, I think it was, the one that talks about the city LED plan, maybe this is to Catherine, is that already in progress to retrofit the city facilities with LED lighting, or is this a proposal?

334
01:00:31,540 --> 01:00:39,540
 We have already done retrofits on some facilities, so there are others yet to come, and then we'll be working towards that.

335
01:00:39,540 --> 01:00:47,540
 And is that just discretionary, or did we have a plan that was pushed in that direction?

336
01:00:47,540 --> 01:01:04,540
 We have the ECBG money coming that can be used for lighting retrofits, and we have a list of facilities that need the retrofit.

337
01:01:04,540 --> 01:01:09,540
 There's other things going on at the same time, so we're trying to use the dollars.

338
01:01:09,540 --> 01:01:11,540
 Okay, cool. Thank you.

339
01:01:11,540 --> 01:01:14,540
 What is the acronym, SECO, stand for?

340
01:01:14,540 --> 01:01:16,540
 You know, I'm forgetting that myself.

341
01:01:16,540 --> 01:01:20,540
 State Energy Conservation Office.

342
01:01:20,540 --> 01:01:21,540
 This one?

343
01:01:21,540 --> 01:01:23,540
 It's the State of Texas Energy Conservation Office.

344
01:01:23,540 --> 01:01:30,540
 Ah, thanks.

345
01:01:30,540 --> 01:01:54,540
 So again, I have a sector question, because this on the first or third slide was listed as buildings, but now it's buildings and energy, and I'm also just thinking about how we communicate with the public.

346
01:01:54,540 --> 01:02:08,540
 Energy becomes a word that has some slippage in it, and I might recommend that we're just real careful to talk about electricity, you know?

347
01:02:08,540 --> 01:02:16,540
 Like when we're talking about electricity, talk about electricity, and maybe segregate that out and say, "These are electrons. This is DMV."

348
01:02:16,540 --> 01:02:34,540
 That's that sector, because I think, correct me if I'm wrong, what we're worried about in the building sector is fossil-based sources of energy, usually heat, right, that aren't coming, they're not electrons coming from DMV.

349
01:02:34,540 --> 01:02:47,540
 And I just feel like sometimes in this conversation that gets kind of muddied for a foot, so I'm afraid they're going to lose, or at least I kind of lose, like what's the punchline here?

350
01:02:47,540 --> 01:02:54,540
 So I don't know how to solve that, but I did want to flag that if we want to rethink our sectors or something.

351
01:02:54,540 --> 01:02:56,540
 Okay, yeah.

352
01:02:56,540 --> 01:03:12,540
 Yeah, to pull out power. Because when I talk about this in my class, I said there's really two main buckets for our city to work on in terms of emissions, and that's transportation and buildings.

353
01:03:12,540 --> 01:03:26,540
 Buildings being residential, commercial, and industrial. And they kept getting energy and electricity, and it's all kind of messed, so I guess it's just a comment.

354
01:03:26,540 --> 01:03:28,540
 You can do that.

355
01:03:28,540 --> 01:03:31,540
 Brian, are you there?

356
01:03:31,540 --> 01:03:32,540
 I think we're good.

357
01:03:32,540 --> 01:03:33,540
 Okay, thank you so much.

358
01:03:33,540 --> 01:03:35,540
 Thank you so much, appreciate it.

359
01:03:35,540 --> 01:03:36,540
 See you again soon.

360
01:03:36,540 --> 01:03:44,540
 Did you get enough feedback for prioritization, or do we need to talk through that a little bit more?

361
01:03:44,540 --> 01:03:49,540
 Yeah, we did have on our agenda to give direction.

362
01:03:49,540 --> 01:03:59,540
 So do you have any changes? Did you get enough comments? Do you think you're good on that? What do you need from us now?

363
01:03:59,540 --> 01:04:15,540
 Yeah, I think any thoughts on among those actions, which you see as being most important, and in that sense, what the city should address first, where it's going to put its energy and resources first, that's helpful to us going forward.

364
01:04:15,540 --> 01:04:22,540
 We may be able to speak more about that again later, but if you have thoughts now.

365
01:04:22,540 --> 01:04:42,540
 Yeah, I thought it was really helpful, maybe I'm imagining this, but I think in earlier presentations, and even in the presentation in the box, there was this way of talking about the most bang for the buck in terms of what we can do.

366
01:04:42,540 --> 01:04:56,540
 And that is partly where are the most emissions, but also to your earlier point about what the state wants us to do, where can we actually have leverage?

367
01:04:56,540 --> 01:05:10,540
 So that's, I guess, where I'd like to see us moving forward is to focus our attention on those things where we think we have the capability to make changes, and those changes would be significant.

368
01:05:10,540 --> 01:05:19,540
 That's always what I'm kind of thinking.

369
01:05:19,540 --> 01:05:31,540
 We dialogued quite a bit during that presentation. I guess we're putting a weight down on it, where some of these are easier to attain than others.

370
01:05:31,540 --> 01:05:45,540
 So I wonder, we did just see a presentation about the city's strategic plan, and that I think is really powerful because it delineates out the progress that we're reaching on these different items.

371
01:05:45,540 --> 01:06:14,540
 But some of these are much lower hanging fruit than others, that I wonder if there's a way, as it gets outlined over the next 30 years as our 2015 deadline hits, kind of a step-by-step progress that helps both within the city departments that these apply to, or maybe where city departments interact with residents and the behavioral shifts that we're looking to incentivize or help facilitate an adaptation to if there's

372
01:06:14,540 --> 01:06:40,540
 a way to partition it out to where there's stuff we can do right now that we have full operational control over. It's maybe an ordinance change or a proposition that goes out that this is an easier goal versus the longer-term plannings that don't necessarily have those hard and fast stops to them, like the mode shifting, but it's more of a behavioral change.

373
01:06:40,540 --> 01:07:09,540
 I don't know, obviously we're probably already thinking of that, but I guess just having those weighted goals of what's really going to be impactful, what's within our control, that would be really helpful just to make this plan more digestible, that we can envision it actually getting implemented instead of this far-off, very long-term planning, you know, that as we cycle through councils, as we recycle in and out of this room, it allows that continuation, and then people can meet those smaller steps along the way.

374
01:07:09,540 --> 01:07:13,540
 But I imagine a lot of that conversation is already happening.

375
01:07:13,540 --> 01:07:33,540
 Sure, yeah, and I kind of think that's the implementation piece of, you know, more of the step-by-step, especially a nearer-term horizon. That's not only here for you as well, but part of the plan will have that in a little more detail, and we can lay out short-term, medium-term, long-term actions.

376
01:07:33,540 --> 01:08:01,540
 Yeah, I think there's definitely progress, and that's very reassuring. I think the more that can be done to make the public realize the importance and urgency of something like this is very important, because the more public support we have, the more political will there will be to enact the ordinances which will turn this plan into a reality.

377
01:08:01,540 --> 01:08:06,540
 Can I make one comment here?

378
01:08:06,540 --> 01:08:07,540
 Yeah, go ahead.

379
01:08:07,540 --> 01:08:19,540
 I've kind of come to an understanding that there's been some struggles in the communication around this plan, and I understand, too, we haven't quite progressed to even the survey target that we had set out initially.

380
01:08:19,540 --> 01:08:34,540
 And I remember a presentation earlier where we talked about, you know, sometimes we get up to 1,000 respondents on surveys like this, and we were struggling in this particular feedback to get that participation to its point.

381
01:08:34,540 --> 01:08:46,540
 And then I even understand some of the focus groups had attendance issues. I'm just curious if there's other strategies that we can use to get this messaging out just because of its scope and because of its importance.

382
01:08:46,540 --> 01:09:09,540
 I don't know how to hit the gas, the figurative gas pedal on this, to communicate out both what we're doing, you know, in this room and the conversations that you guys have between staff and the consulting group that enables people to pitch into this and participate a little more deeply, especially, too, because some of these are behavioral shifts we're looking to incentivize.

383
01:09:09,540 --> 01:09:22,540
 I don't know, I guess I'm just putting, like, an explanation part on it that it seems like we're kind of hitting that hurdle, and I don't know what support there might be needed to help overcome it.

384
01:09:22,540 --> 01:09:41,540
 Yeah, I know that Kathy and her staff have been really trying a lot of different things, you know, everything from Facebook ads to in-person kind of interception, getting people to fill out surveys, but I think, yeah, it's a tricky thing.

385
01:09:41,540 --> 01:10:00,540
 Part of it is just there's a lot of noise, there's a lot of things going on for folks. I would say, you know, developing the plan is one thing. Our engagement plan is very careful in kind of scope to, you know, speak to specific groups of people, get specific kind of insights.

386
01:10:00,540 --> 01:10:11,540
 It's less of an outreach plan and messaging and more about getting input from those who are going to have, you know, kind of specific recommendations.

387
01:10:11,540 --> 01:10:31,540
 So that's to say, you know, once the plan is passed or towards that time and then afterwards, like implementing the plan, that's maybe where there's a lot for the city to do around messaging about what the goals are, how the community can be involved in making this happen, that kind of thing.

388
01:10:31,540 --> 01:10:35,540
 This is just the beginning, right?

389
01:10:35,540 --> 01:10:46,540
 I have a question about what you need from us. So it does say direction regarding targets and actions, prioritization.

390
01:10:46,540 --> 01:11:07,540
 Do you mean like prior to, I'm having a hard time saying this, prioritization, like in the larger aspects, say like transportation over building, over, you know, et cetera, or are you talking about those actions within each?

391
01:11:07,540 --> 01:11:16,540
 I mean, are you talking about like all of it together or overall? So say like transportation is our biggest contributor.

392
01:11:16,540 --> 01:11:23,540
 So is this group in agreement that that should be the first thing we work on? Is that what you're asking, Kermis, today?

393
01:11:23,540 --> 01:11:38,540
 It is a mix, I would say. You know, as you just said, some sectors are more of an issue than others. It's good to know if you all kind of agree with the prioritization according to that criteria, just one of the overall missions.

394
01:11:38,540 --> 01:11:53,540
 And then, as you said, within each sector, which goals and targets and actions are a higher priority for you all? And you don't have to necessarily come to consensus within taking your input and put it in a general sense.

395
01:11:53,540 --> 01:12:04,540
 What I think I heard was that within each one of the smaller actions, whatever we can do quickest, that would be the first ones. Is that what you all are saying?

396
01:12:04,540 --> 01:12:12,540
 And I agree with the bigger picture of where is the most attention.

397
01:12:12,540 --> 01:12:14,540
 All right. Is that helpful?

398
01:12:14,540 --> 01:12:20,540
 I think so, yeah. Does that align with the prioritization? I know you had worked something up.

399
01:12:20,540 --> 01:12:23,540
 It does. It does.

400
01:12:23,540 --> 01:12:28,540
 Okay. Well, thank you so much. I appreciate it.

401
01:12:28,540 --> 01:12:30,540
 All right.

402
01:12:30,540 --> 01:12:45,540
 We will move on to our next item, D, staff reports. There was the DME memo. Did everyone have a chance to read that? And see if there were any changes currently like you made.

403
01:12:45,540 --> 01:12:53,540
 And then we have the matrix. Is there anything you'd like to add to the matrix or take off?

404
01:12:53,540 --> 01:12:57,540
 Can we ask any questions about the DME memo?

405
01:12:57,540 --> 01:13:04,540
 If it's in our back-up, I don't know, Moir?

406
01:13:04,540 --> 01:13:07,540
 There's a staff memo, isn't there?

407
01:13:07,540 --> 01:13:08,540
 Yeah.

408
01:13:08,540 --> 01:13:15,540
 It's in our back-up, the staff memo. Are we allowed to ask questions and address that?

409
01:13:15,540 --> 01:13:16,540
 Yeah.

410
01:13:16,540 --> 01:13:17,540
 Okay. Go ahead, Ed.

411
01:13:17,540 --> 01:13:32,540
 I was just curious as to whether it says staff anticipates conducting additional research into the impacts of this program and may bring back this discussion to SFAC later next.

412
01:13:32,540 --> 01:13:45,540
 I was just curious as to if there's any information of what this additional research could be, if it were a value of solar analysis or anything like that.

413
01:13:45,540 --> 01:13:47,540
 Okay. Bill Sheppard from DME.

414
01:13:47,540 --> 01:13:48,540
 Oh, okay. Great. Thanks.

415
01:13:48,540 --> 01:13:49,540
 Hi.

416
01:13:49,540 --> 01:13:57,540
 Good afternoon again. Bill Sheppard, DME. So the research that we're going to be looking at doing is doing a value of solar.

417
01:13:57,540 --> 01:14:10,540
 We're going to get a third party to come in and actually evaluate the solar programs we have now and also that energy coming back to us and try to peg a real value on it.

418
01:14:10,540 --> 01:14:14,540
 Any ideas? Well, you haven't engaged a consultant yet.

419
01:14:14,540 --> 01:14:22,540
 We have a consultant that's already doing some work from us from a cost of service standpoint, and it is a consultant that is familiar with that type of study and research.

420
01:14:22,540 --> 01:14:28,540
 They've actually done the same work for Austin Energy, so we're in discussions with them now.

421
01:14:28,540 --> 01:14:32,540
 Great. Thanks.

422
01:14:32,540 --> 01:14:35,540
 Anybody else on that? Thank you so much.

423
01:14:35,540 --> 01:14:36,540
 Of course.

424
01:14:36,540 --> 01:14:44,540
 All right. Matrix. Anybody want to add to the matrix or take off from the matrix?

425
01:14:44,540 --> 01:15:05,540
 I have a request maybe we could add. I don't know if this body would be interested or not, but I would like to maybe have an offsite meeting like around and have a recycling tour or tour the waste area and water and stuff as a group so that we can see what's going on.

426
01:15:05,540 --> 01:15:11,540
 See what's going on and kind of like an offsite meeting at some point.

427
01:15:11,540 --> 01:15:17,540
 I think it might be fun for us to do that together.

428
01:15:17,540 --> 01:15:20,540
 Okay.

429
01:15:20,540 --> 01:15:40,540
 And then, is that off from the matrix, Adam? Just this kind of matrix because it's like we were told today to hold off implementation questions about the climate action plan, but that will come, is this going to come back to us at that?

430
01:15:40,540 --> 01:15:41,540
 Yes.

431
01:15:41,540 --> 01:15:42,540
 All right.

432
01:15:42,540 --> 01:15:50,540
 So we will now move on to concluding items.

433
01:15:50,540 --> 01:16:12,540
 Catherine mentioned earlier that it is tax-free weekend for Energy Star appliances, and I just want to get that out there for anyone who needs a new appliance. And also, I don't know if this is the right place to do it, but we are a very small member committee at the moment.

434
01:16:12,540 --> 01:16:21,540
 Maybe get a message to council or see when that's going to come up nominations for our group so that we're not all.

435
01:16:21,540 --> 01:16:23,540
 We're missing one.

436
01:16:23,540 --> 01:16:24,540
 Two.

437
01:16:24,540 --> 01:16:25,540
 Two.

438
01:16:25,540 --> 01:16:30,540
 We are short two members of our committee.

439
01:16:30,540 --> 01:16:34,540
 I know that they're working through the council appointment process right now.

440
01:16:34,540 --> 01:16:38,540
 Okay, just kind of put that out there in the air. We'd love to have some.

441
01:16:38,540 --> 01:16:47,540
 Okay. All right. And I think that is it. We will complete at 2.18. Thank you, everyone.

442
01:16:47,540 --> 01:16:50,540
 Have a good weekend.

443
01:16:50,540 --> 01:16:51,540
 Good to have you back.