WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.800 - Okay, good morning. 00:00:04.800 --> 00:00:07.900 It is nine o'clock and we have a quorum. 00:00:07.900 --> 00:00:12.320 So call to order the public utilities board 00:00:12.320 --> 00:00:16.600 for the city of Denton for Monday, March 27th of 2023. 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:19.680 The first item is presentations from members of the public. 00:00:19.680 --> 00:00:24.680 Is anyone from the public here to make any comments? 00:00:24.680 --> 00:00:26.520 Okay, I see none. 00:00:26.520 --> 00:00:28.980 Let's move on to the consent agenda. 00:00:28.980 --> 00:00:32.700 Does any board member wish to pull a board item 00:00:32.700 --> 00:00:33.620 of A or B? 00:00:33.620 --> 00:00:36.600 Okay, I see none. 00:00:36.600 --> 00:00:39.200 Do we have a motion to approve items A and B? 00:00:39.200 --> 00:00:40.200 - So moved. 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:41.320 - Thank you, Devin. 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:42.760 Do we have a second? - So moved. 00:00:42.760 --> 00:00:43.680 - Thank you, Billy. 00:00:43.680 --> 00:00:44.920 All in favor say aye. 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:46.120 - Aye. - Aye. 00:00:46.120 --> 00:00:47.000 Motion carries. 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:49.160 Next item is consider approval 00:00:49.160 --> 00:00:51.700 of the March 13th, 2023 minutes. 00:00:51.700 --> 00:00:54.660 Do we have any changes or corrections? 00:00:54.660 --> 00:00:58.200 All right, do we have a motion to approve? 00:00:58.200 --> 00:00:59.480 - So moved. - Thank you, Barbara. 00:00:59.480 --> 00:01:01.080 And a second? 00:01:01.080 --> 00:01:02.280 Tom, thank you. 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:03.920 All in favor say aye. 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:05.100 - Aye. - Aye. 00:01:05.100 --> 00:01:05.940 Motion carries. 00:01:05.940 --> 00:01:08.240 We're gonna call items B and C together 00:01:08.240 --> 00:01:10.760 because they have a single presentation 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:12.920 but we do need to vote on them separately. 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:32.320 Do you need to read them off or at all? 00:01:32.320 --> 00:01:33.420 - Do I need to read them? 00:01:33.420 --> 00:01:34.560 - Okay. - I usually read them. 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:35.960 - Okay, thank you. 00:01:35.960 --> 00:01:37.480 Haven't been to PMU in a while. 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:39.800 Good morning, Randy Klingle, Treasury Manager. 00:01:39.800 --> 00:01:41.240 And I have a brief presentations 00:01:41.240 --> 00:01:44.240 about the notice of intents for certificates of obligation. 00:01:44.240 --> 00:01:49.000 The purpose of the notice of intent, 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:50.780 we do it for the certificates of obligation 00:01:50.780 --> 00:01:53.180 because it is required by state law. 00:01:53.180 --> 00:01:56.540 We must publish this notice two times in our local paper. 00:01:56.540 --> 00:01:59.140 So we will publish this in the Denton Record Chronicle. 00:01:59.140 --> 00:02:01.040 We also will put it on our city's website 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:03.280 for the duration of the notice. 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:06.800 We will also pass a bond ordinance 00:02:06.800 --> 00:02:10.020 at least 46 days after the first publication. 00:02:10.020 --> 00:02:11.740 So that will be happening in a couple of weeks 00:02:11.740 --> 00:02:13.000 after we take this to council 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:15.000 after your recommendation today. 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:16.600 Most of my presentation 00:02:16.600 --> 00:02:19.780 is about each utilities project list fund 00:02:19.780 --> 00:02:22.060 that you approved as a budget item. 00:02:22.060 --> 00:02:24.120 And then you also note it'll have a new column 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:26.480 that has the notice of intent item list 00:02:26.480 --> 00:02:28.600 which has a new total on some of those. 00:02:28.600 --> 00:02:30.320 And we will just briefly go over those. 00:02:30.320 --> 00:02:31.640 We do have the department's presence 00:02:31.640 --> 00:02:35.020 if you have specific questions regarding the actual projects. 00:02:35.020 --> 00:02:38.000 So our first utility is Solid Waste, 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:40.880 which their budget and their notice of intent project list 00:02:40.880 --> 00:02:42.580 came in the same at $16 million. 00:02:42.580 --> 00:02:47.240 The Water Department reduced their budget 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:48.980 by about $3 million. 00:02:48.980 --> 00:02:50.480 And that's mostly in the line 00:02:50.480 --> 00:02:52.460 of the water transmission lines. 00:02:52.460 --> 00:02:56.080 They did an analysis and they just not needed as much funds 00:02:56.080 --> 00:02:57.680 in the beginning of the year as they thought. 00:02:57.680 --> 00:02:59.620 So they reduced that by 3 million. 00:02:59.620 --> 00:03:04.000 The Waste Water Department did have a larger reduction 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:06.000 from the budget to the notice of intent 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:08.760 reducing for about $11 million. 00:03:08.760 --> 00:03:10.320 And the discussion with that department 00:03:10.320 --> 00:03:13.220 is in the solid handlings improvement line item 00:03:13.220 --> 00:03:15.140 from 12 million to two. 00:03:15.140 --> 00:03:17.680 That was the full contract amount at the time. 00:03:17.680 --> 00:03:18.600 And after reviewing, 00:03:18.600 --> 00:03:21.200 they only needed about $2 million this fiscal year. 00:03:21.200 --> 00:03:24.000 So you'll see that 12 million roll out in future years. 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:26.440 But that is-- - Does that come under 00:03:26.440 --> 00:03:29.600 existing contracts or is that just a prediction 00:03:29.600 --> 00:03:30.920 of what will happen? 00:03:30.920 --> 00:03:33.400 - My understanding is that is a contracted amount 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:35.200 and you'll probably see that come forth later 00:03:35.200 --> 00:03:37.160 and they'll use commercial paper 00:03:37.160 --> 00:03:39.060 to get the full contract amount, 00:03:39.060 --> 00:03:40.880 but the funds they'll only need 00:03:40.880 --> 00:03:42.320 through multiple years ahead. 00:03:42.320 --> 00:03:49.500 Electric is the last utility fund. 00:03:49.500 --> 00:03:52.520 So we had a $30 million budget increase 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:56.120 from the notice intent from the budget. 00:03:56.120 --> 00:04:00.120 And Daniel Stanford came in a couple of weeks ago 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:03.360 and y'all did recommend the budget improvement for that. 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:05.880 And that is mostly due to the transformers 00:04:05.880 --> 00:04:08.540 and the increasing cost of those 00:04:08.540 --> 00:04:11.960 over the last several months, if not even longer. 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:15.080 I think he quoted 300% increase in those costs. 00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:17.040 So that is majority of that. 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:18.840 But you also see a note at the bottom. 00:04:18.840 --> 00:04:21.440 There are some other projects like the LED conversions, 00:04:21.440 --> 00:04:24.600 the Hickory GIS and some text dot relocations, 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:25.880 which they reviewed again. 00:04:25.880 --> 00:04:28.820 And that is part of the increase for the electric fund. 00:04:28.820 --> 00:04:49.880 And the comparison is also in the AIS, 00:04:49.880 --> 00:04:51.480 if you need to look at it a little further too, 00:04:51.480 --> 00:04:55.600 but a little give and take on several of the line items, 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:57.080 but you should see where the bulk is. 00:04:57.080 --> 00:04:58.560 - Most of it's just the- 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:00.220 - Transformers. - Development. 00:05:00.220 --> 00:05:04.040 Correct, we got transmission lines up there too, 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:06.080 but we're on a pretty big jump. 00:05:06.080 --> 00:05:08.560 - Yes, and I believe they reduce the transformers 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:10.040 and then, or the substations 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:13.720 and increase the transformer lines 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:15.980 just with residential and commercial growth. 00:05:15.980 --> 00:05:17.680 Would you agree with that, Tony? 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:19.600 - Yeah, I'll just point out that 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:22.040 Dennis Intents really sets the maximum 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:25.800 that we can issue after this 46 day period. 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:28.200 And so we're gonna continue to work through that time 00:05:28.200 --> 00:05:30.760 and see if we can continue to finalize these numbers. 00:05:30.760 --> 00:05:32.720 And so I'm really hopeful, 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:34.640 not putting pressure on Jerry Fielder who's here, 00:05:34.640 --> 00:05:37.880 but I'm really hopeful that we can parse that down 00:05:37.880 --> 00:05:40.960 a little bit more and so it won't be as dramatic. 00:05:40.960 --> 00:05:43.120 - If you've got new revenue coming in 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:46.560 because of the T cost and that's a different thing, 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:50.200 and obviously you wanna spend money to make money. 00:05:50.200 --> 00:05:52.280 - Well, that's a good point. 00:05:52.280 --> 00:05:54.400 For all these items that are transmission related, 00:05:54.400 --> 00:05:56.760 there is a reimbursement that we get 00:05:56.760 --> 00:05:59.240 through our transmission cost service. 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:01.240 As you guys know, we're still working through that process, 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:05.520 but about 50% roughly of this bond issue 00:06:05.520 --> 00:06:07.240 is T-coast eligible. 00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:09.800 - Electric wind locations. 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:13.080 Can you explain that line item to me, please? 00:06:13.080 --> 00:06:14.300 - Jerry, come up here. 00:06:14.300 --> 00:06:15.140 - Sorry, Jerry. 00:06:16.200 --> 00:06:18.020 - He thought he was gonna get away. 00:06:18.020 --> 00:06:18.860 - We're still friends. 00:06:18.860 --> 00:06:21.040 - You're all dressed up, so you may as well come up. 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:24.360 - Jerry Fielder, division engineering manager. 00:06:24.360 --> 00:06:26.120 Tony was doing a good job. 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:29.760 No, relocations is mainly dealing with TextDOT. 00:06:29.760 --> 00:06:32.120 Whenever we first had budgeted for all the projects 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:36.160 that we did relocate for TextDOT, we had a set of plans. 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:41.080 TextDOT has increased, I guess, the amount of space 00:06:41.080 --> 00:06:42.880 or whatever that they wanted to take. 00:06:42.880 --> 00:06:45.560 And so it's increased the number of encroachments 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:47.360 that we have or relocations that we have. 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:50.120 So it's jacked up the price significantly 00:06:50.120 --> 00:06:51.120 when it came to those. 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:55.440 - Okay, I've said it before, I'll say it again. 00:06:55.440 --> 00:06:57.160 For someone who builds roads, 00:06:57.160 --> 00:07:04.800 the delays that are caused by utility relocates 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:07.280 are not your problem. 00:07:07.280 --> 00:07:08.680 You guys are fantastic. 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:09.520 - Thank you. 00:07:09.520 --> 00:07:10.680 - You get right out there and get it done 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:15.440 'cause you are a public utility and care about the public. 00:07:15.440 --> 00:07:19.240 It's the franchise utilities that delay everything. 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:22.080 That's kind of why I pulled that line out. 00:07:22.080 --> 00:07:23.480 - I'll take kudos anytime. 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:24.480 - Absolutely. 00:07:24.480 --> 00:07:26.000 - Yeah, I just pointed out Billy on those. 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:29.680 We do anticipate some level of reimbursement from the state. 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:32.760 Unfortunately, they're not as quick to pay as we are, 00:07:32.760 --> 00:07:35.080 so we tend to issue bonds. 00:07:35.080 --> 00:07:37.320 Once we get reimbursed, we then repurpose those bonds 00:07:37.320 --> 00:07:40.000 for other projects, that subsequently then lowers 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:42.200 the bond sale for the next year. 00:07:42.200 --> 00:07:45.240 - And some utilities, you're just responsible 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:47.960 for your own relocates because you've had that land 00:07:47.960 --> 00:07:50.040 for free from the state, and they'll say, 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:51.320 no, we're not paying you for it. 00:07:51.320 --> 00:07:53.560 You just gotta move it, right? 00:07:53.560 --> 00:07:56.480 - Yeah, not all relocations are created equal, for sure. 00:07:56.480 --> 00:07:57.480 - Right, yeah. 00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:01.000 - Okay. 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:01.840 Thank you, Jerry. 00:08:01.840 --> 00:08:05.320 - And like Tony said, all the utilities, 00:08:05.320 --> 00:08:07.520 you know, for the next time I come up for you 00:08:07.520 --> 00:08:08.720 for the bond parameter orders, 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:11.560 they'll all take, constantly take reviews of these projects 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:13.520 to see what they can do to tweak them. 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:17.720 So the total notice of intent for all the COs 00:08:17.720 --> 00:08:21.760 is 181,771,000 with those four utilities 00:08:21.760 --> 00:08:23.040 that we just discussed. 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:26.000 Okay. 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:28.600 So next steps, after your recommendation, 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:30.240 I will take this to council on April 4th, 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:33.360 so we can issue the notice of intent and make those postings. 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:35.360 And then in May, we'll have the bond ordinance 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:38.640 come back to the PUB, which will be our final sale list 00:08:38.640 --> 00:08:40.200 for you guys to recommend. 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:42.800 Take it forth to council after that in June. 00:08:42.800 --> 00:08:45.560 And we hope to have the sale about the third week of June, 00:08:45.560 --> 00:08:47.840 and then we'll receive proceeds in July. 00:08:47.840 --> 00:08:50.840 So that's the further timeline out for this year's bond sale. 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:54.560 And then any further questions? 00:08:54.560 --> 00:08:55.760 - Any further questions? 00:08:55.760 --> 00:08:58.840 All right. 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:00.040 Oh, go ahead. 00:09:00.040 --> 00:09:05.040 - So just to clarify and probably educate 00:09:05.040 --> 00:09:08.200 maybe any public who might be watching, 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:12.680 what does this do to the total debt load 00:09:12.680 --> 00:09:14.960 of the utilities? 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:19.040 - In total dollars or it increases 00:09:19.040 --> 00:09:23.000 their total debt service payments overall, 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:24.720 it will add to there. 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:26.320 - Okay, so let me, 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:32.720 is this a total net increase of maximum debt 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:34.680 by this amount perpetually, 00:09:34.680 --> 00:09:39.080 or have previous COs been paid off 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:40.560 and been removed from the stack? 00:09:40.560 --> 00:09:42.120 - Previous COs have been paid off. 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:43.600 They accumulate over time, 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:45.280 and then we refund them any time we can. 00:09:45.280 --> 00:09:46.520 They are callable in nine years, 00:09:46.520 --> 00:09:47.600 and we may refinance them, 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:50.120 and they move forward to current debt. 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:51.640 So there is debt on the books, 00:09:51.640 --> 00:09:54.560 and I believe most of this is 20, 30 year debt 00:09:54.560 --> 00:09:55.400 that we have here. 00:09:55.400 --> 00:09:57.360 Those are the terms of these projects here. 00:09:57.360 --> 00:09:58.720 - Okay. 00:09:58.720 --> 00:09:59.960 I guess I was trying to look for, 00:09:59.960 --> 00:10:02.120 you might not have this information readily available, 00:10:02.120 --> 00:10:07.240 of what the pattern is as old debt gets paid off, 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:10.000 and new debt, this is new projects. 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:11.600 Some of this is growth, 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:14.680 and some of this is existing areas of the city. 00:10:14.680 --> 00:10:17.600 So we would expect the total debt load to increase, 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:21.080 maybe not $200 million a year, right? 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:22.120 Some of that's been paid off, 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:23.280 and some of this is, 00:10:23.280 --> 00:10:25.040 I don't know when the last time we issued COs, 00:10:25.040 --> 00:10:26.160 I don't know if it was last year, 00:10:26.160 --> 00:10:27.480 if it wasn't here, okay. 00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:32.480 If this is like what that kind of trend in debt is. 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:34.560 - I can bring that back. 00:10:34.560 --> 00:10:36.320 - Yeah, that'd be great, thank you. 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:39.760 - Maybe the bond capacity that we can have. 00:10:39.760 --> 00:10:40.680 - Yeah. 00:10:40.680 --> 00:10:44.160 - Yeah, and it should be kind of interesting to see 00:10:44.160 --> 00:10:46.520 how much of this is growth as the city grows, 00:10:46.520 --> 00:10:48.760 and infrastructure needs grow, 00:10:48.760 --> 00:10:53.320 versus just ongoing kind of revitalization 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:54.880 of existing infrastructure. 00:10:54.880 --> 00:10:55.720 - Okay. 00:10:55.720 --> 00:10:56.560 - Thank you. 00:10:56.560 --> 00:10:57.400 - Absolutely. 00:10:57.400 --> 00:11:00.640 Other questions? 00:11:00.640 --> 00:11:02.920 Nope, okay. 00:11:02.920 --> 00:11:04.800 Do we have a motion to approve item B, 00:11:04.800 --> 00:11:09.640 the notice of intention to issue $52 million in principal 00:11:09.640 --> 00:11:12.560 for certificates of obligation for the city of Denton 00:11:12.560 --> 00:11:14.960 for general government and solid waste projects? 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:18.680 Okay, feeling moved? 00:11:18.680 --> 00:11:19.920 I think Devin's second. 00:11:19.920 --> 00:11:21.600 All in favor say aye. 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:22.440 - Aye. 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:23.280 - Aye. 00:11:23.280 --> 00:11:25.520 - Okay, the next one is item C, 00:11:25.520 --> 00:11:29.240 publication of notice of intent to issue $167 million 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:31.680 in principal amounts of certificates of obligation 00:11:31.680 --> 00:11:34.360 for the city of Denton for waterworks and wastewater 00:11:34.360 --> 00:11:36.240 and electric system projects. 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:37.320 Do we have a motion? 00:11:38.880 --> 00:11:40.000 Devin moves. 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:41.440 Do we have a second? 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:42.280 Barbara seconds. 00:11:42.280 --> 00:11:43.720 All in favor say aye. 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:44.560 - Aye. 00:11:44.560 --> 00:11:45.920 - Motion carries. 00:11:45.920 --> 00:11:46.760 - Thank you. 00:11:46.760 --> 00:11:47.580 - Thank you. 00:11:47.580 --> 00:11:48.920 Management reports. 00:11:48.920 --> 00:11:50.680 - So Madam Chair, members of the PB, 00:11:50.680 --> 00:11:52.800 so the two items that we have here for you 00:11:52.800 --> 00:11:55.640 are just the future agenda items. 00:11:55.640 --> 00:11:56.680 Coming up on April 10th, 00:11:56.680 --> 00:12:00.400 we have a update on the wastewater master plan. 00:12:00.400 --> 00:12:03.120 And as I said before, after that period, 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:05.800 there'll be a lot of budget discussions with you. 00:12:06.800 --> 00:12:09.000 Certainly there'll be a lot of conversations going on 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:13.240 this year with rates and cost of service studies 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:14.320 and what have you. 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:17.200 So please make sure that you have your calendars 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:19.440 up to date on that so that you can be here. 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:21.480 And then for new business action items, 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:22.880 believe it or not, this is the first time 00:12:22.880 --> 00:12:26.680 in a couple of years that we have no outstanding items. 00:12:26.680 --> 00:12:29.200 Certainly I'm not encouraging you to add anything today, 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:31.080 but certainly if you have something 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:33.200 that you're interested in, please let us know. 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:34.040 We'll be happy to do that. 00:12:34.040 --> 00:12:37.040 And we'll make sure I'll work with Randy 00:12:37.040 --> 00:12:40.200 on getting a response to Mr. Taylor's request. 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:42.380 We'll try to get that in the next management update. 00:12:42.380 --> 00:12:44.980 - Do you have any rights that you think are gonna go down? 00:12:44.980 --> 00:12:48.480 (laughing) 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:51.080 - I'm gonna let the finance people respond to that. 00:12:51.080 --> 00:12:54.080 - Yeah, you're gonna walk away from that one. 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:55.360 (laughing) 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:56.200 - So good morning. 00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:58.440 Nick Vincent, Interim Finance Director. 00:12:58.440 --> 00:12:59.360 To answer your question, 00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:02.280 we do not have anticipation of rates decreasing. 00:13:02.280 --> 00:13:03.920 We'll probably be talking about rate increases 00:13:03.920 --> 00:13:04.760 this fiscal year. 00:13:04.760 --> 00:13:06.160 So it's yet to be determined. 00:13:06.160 --> 00:13:08.760 It'll come forward to you in the coming months though. 00:13:08.760 --> 00:13:12.100 - So keep our calendars clear. 00:13:12.100 --> 00:13:14.340 (laughing) 00:13:14.340 --> 00:13:17.400 - You never ask a question 00:13:17.400 --> 00:13:19.220 that you don't really know the answer to. 00:13:19.220 --> 00:13:21.520 (laughing) 00:13:21.520 --> 00:13:23.380 - Madam Chair, those are the two items 00:13:23.380 --> 00:13:25.400 that I was really happy to answer any questions you may have. 00:13:25.400 --> 00:13:27.160 - All right, thank you. 00:13:27.160 --> 00:13:28.560 Then we're to concluding items. 00:13:28.560 --> 00:13:30.000 Does any board member have anything 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:31.600 they want added to a future agenda 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:33.700 or have any comments they'd like to make? 00:13:33.700 --> 00:13:36.560 I see none. 00:13:36.560 --> 00:13:40.560 Okay, work session, PUB 2308. 00:13:40.560 --> 00:13:43.120 Hold a discussion on the solid waste 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:46.640 and recycling rewrite of the solid waste ordinance. 00:13:46.640 --> 00:13:49.640 And I appreciate that you put 45 minutes on there 00:13:49.640 --> 00:13:51.380 so that we know about how long. 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:02.960 - Good morning, my name's Tammy Clausing. 00:14:02.960 --> 00:14:05.400 I'm the Assistant Director for Solid Waste and Recycling. 00:14:05.400 --> 00:14:07.720 And today we'll be talking about 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:09.760 the proposed solid waste ordinance update 00:14:09.760 --> 00:14:11.780 to include the commercial diversion. 00:14:11.780 --> 00:14:17.040 Our agenda today will be to review the background 00:14:17.040 --> 00:14:20.000 on this item, a metrics trends and problems, 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:22.760 components of the commercial diversion article, 00:14:22.760 --> 00:14:24.840 public engagement opportunities, 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:28.120 public meeting feedback, solid waste ordinance updates, 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:29.840 next steps and ask for direction. 00:14:31.480 --> 00:14:33.520 So back in July of 2022, 00:14:33.520 --> 00:14:37.240 we adopted a comprehensive solid waste management strategy, 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:40.280 the alignment with council's key focus area 00:14:40.280 --> 00:14:43.560 of promoting sustainability and in the environment. 00:14:43.560 --> 00:14:47.280 And in November of 2022, we had a council work session 00:14:47.280 --> 00:14:50.620 on the introduction of a comprehensive diversion ordinance. 00:14:50.620 --> 00:14:53.440 Just to be clear on the verbiage, 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:55.640 the comprehensive diversion ordinance 00:14:55.640 --> 00:14:58.620 is the same as the commercial diversion article. 00:14:58.620 --> 00:15:01.560 Just wanted to make sure that our verbiage was clear 00:15:01.560 --> 00:15:03.880 throughout what we're talking about today 00:15:03.880 --> 00:15:06.080 and what you might remember from last year. 00:15:06.080 --> 00:15:09.380 So we're gonna get in a little bit of numbers 00:15:09.380 --> 00:15:11.160 that you might be familiar with. 00:15:11.160 --> 00:15:14.120 Our current commercial diversion rate is 3%, 00:15:14.120 --> 00:15:17.360 equaling 2,448 tons. 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:21.000 So currently out of our city of Denton customers, 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:23.900 we have roughly 95,000 tons last year 00:15:23.900 --> 00:15:28.900 that went to the landfill of that 2,448 was recycled. 00:15:28.900 --> 00:15:32.160 Our current commercial recycling participation rate 00:15:32.160 --> 00:15:35.400 is 17% equaling 483. 00:15:35.400 --> 00:15:39.280 So out of all of our commercial trash customers, 00:15:39.280 --> 00:15:42.420 17% are currently recycling with us. 00:15:42.420 --> 00:15:45.680 Back in 2020, we did a waste characterization study 00:15:45.680 --> 00:15:49.240 that showed between 42 and 55% of commercial 00:15:49.240 --> 00:15:53.760 and multifamily trash was comprised of programmatic material. 00:15:53.760 --> 00:15:56.000 Programmatic material being items 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:58.800 that are in the city of Denton's contract with Pratt, 00:15:58.800 --> 00:16:02.660 cardboard, paper, plastic containers one through seven, 00:16:02.660 --> 00:16:05.040 aluminum cans and steel cans. 00:16:05.040 --> 00:16:09.320 So roughly 45,000 tons from our commercial customers 00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:12.900 went into the landfill and could have been recycled. 00:16:12.900 --> 00:16:15.560 So the caveat to these numbers 00:16:15.560 --> 00:16:19.280 is that it's only the city of Denton data. 00:16:19.280 --> 00:16:21.960 We have an open market for commercial recycling, 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:24.840 which means that any third-party vendor 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:28.720 can come in and recycle or haul recycling 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:30.300 as long as they get a permit with the city. 00:16:30.300 --> 00:16:32.400 So we're not capturing that data 00:16:32.400 --> 00:16:34.460 and all the good work that all the businesses 00:16:34.460 --> 00:16:35.760 are currently doing. 00:16:35.760 --> 00:16:38.480 So that's the caveat to these numbers. 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:39.900 - Question. - Yes. 00:16:39.900 --> 00:16:41.760 - So you may answer this on another slide 00:16:41.760 --> 00:16:42.800 and I apologize if you do, 00:16:42.800 --> 00:16:47.240 but what is your current estimated life left? 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:48.920 - On the landfill. - On the landfill. 00:16:48.920 --> 00:16:53.320 - We're looking at 2049, I believe, easily. 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:56.240 The more we divert, the longer the life will be. 00:16:56.240 --> 00:16:59.720 - In 2002, I believe it was, 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:04.700 the estimated life of the landfill was 26 years. 00:17:04.700 --> 00:17:07.840 So we've done a good job. 00:17:07.840 --> 00:17:09.640 You guys have done a good job of-- 00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:13.160 - We have a lot more opportunity for sure. 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:15.080 - Yeah, cooperation has been great. 00:17:15.080 --> 00:17:16.000 So anyway. 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:19.280 So I wanted to bring up, 00:17:19.280 --> 00:17:21.960 we did a pilot program with chute lids 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:25.600 and locking devices on our recycling bins. 00:17:25.600 --> 00:17:27.080 The pilot was very successful. 00:17:27.080 --> 00:17:29.860 So moving forward, any new recycling bin, 00:17:29.860 --> 00:17:34.640 we put on a chute lid and locking device. 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:39.640 There were some issues with some of the pilot participants 00:17:39.640 --> 00:17:42.200 when they had turnover with the employees. 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:44.760 So they didn't understand that they needed 00:17:44.760 --> 00:17:46.160 to keep the lids closed. 00:17:46.160 --> 00:17:50.600 So we created a video and we're letting the management 00:17:50.600 --> 00:17:52.160 of those places have that video 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:53.760 so they can train new employees. 00:17:53.760 --> 00:17:58.200 We talked about donation box concerns. 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:00.640 And as we followed up with development services, 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:04.600 our current development code does not allow donation boxes. 00:18:04.600 --> 00:18:07.360 There are 17 locations that are illegal, 00:18:07.360 --> 00:18:09.760 non-conforming or grandfathered in. 00:18:09.760 --> 00:18:13.000 And as I was told that there were no issues 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:15.840 of overfill or contamination. 00:18:15.840 --> 00:18:20.200 So we decided to not pursue the donation boxes any further. 00:18:20.200 --> 00:18:23.240 Legal is working with development services 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:26.440 to understand the regulation for future issues 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:28.840 that might arise, but for solid waste, 00:18:28.840 --> 00:18:31.740 we're not pursuing anything with the donation boxes. 00:18:31.740 --> 00:18:36.320 We talked about North Lakes Recycling Center last time. 00:18:36.320 --> 00:18:38.160 I heard loud and clear to keep it. 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:39.960 So we're gonna keep it. 00:18:39.960 --> 00:18:43.440 There are construction, there is construction going on. 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:46.640 So we may be moving the location slightly 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:49.720 just to help with the parking situation. 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:54.580 As we were creating this diversion article, 00:18:54.580 --> 00:18:56.160 within the solid waste ordinance, 00:18:56.160 --> 00:18:59.280 there were some inadequacies that we would like to address. 00:18:59.280 --> 00:19:02.720 So limited enforcement capability for illegal containers, 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:05.860 overflowing materials and contamination. 00:19:05.860 --> 00:19:09.160 The service assistant's porch collection program 00:19:09.160 --> 00:19:11.140 and valet services are not considered 00:19:11.140 --> 00:19:12.740 in the current ordinance. 00:19:12.740 --> 00:19:17.360 And the outdated third party permit and yard waste articles. 00:19:17.360 --> 00:19:20.040 And then of course, the commercial recycling diversion 00:19:20.040 --> 00:19:21.300 is not required. 00:19:21.300 --> 00:19:26.400 Components of the commercial diversion article 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:29.320 will require that all entities to implement a diversion 00:19:29.320 --> 00:19:31.200 or recycling program. 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:33.720 Requirements from customers will be to submit 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:35.720 a diversion plan annually. 00:19:35.720 --> 00:19:38.920 Their choices for programmatic material 00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:42.520 will be to contract with the city of Denton or a third party. 00:19:42.520 --> 00:19:44.780 Choices for non-programmatic materials 00:19:44.780 --> 00:19:48.120 will be to contract with a third party or perform in-house. 00:19:48.120 --> 00:19:50.520 So non-programmatic materials are anything 00:19:50.520 --> 00:19:52.840 that's not in the city of Denton's program. 00:19:52.840 --> 00:19:56.760 So used motor oil, scrap metal, large plastic items, 00:19:56.760 --> 00:20:01.760 textiles, anything that can be recycled will fit into this. 00:20:11.360 --> 00:20:13.680 Requirements from a third party diversion vendor 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:16.600 or in-house programs will be to obtain a permit 00:20:16.600 --> 00:20:19.220 with the city, which is currently implemented, 00:20:19.220 --> 00:20:21.740 and send quarterly diversion tonnages to the city 00:20:21.740 --> 00:20:24.440 so that we can track all the good work that's going on. 00:20:24.440 --> 00:20:28.640 Our public engagement opportunities. 00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:32.080 We sent mailings to commercial and multifamily customers 00:20:32.080 --> 00:20:34.720 informing them of the commercial diversion articles 00:20:34.720 --> 00:20:38.440 and public opportunities to comment. 00:20:38.440 --> 00:20:42.600 We made public comment available starting February 3rd. 00:20:42.600 --> 00:20:47.040 We held a public meeting at the Civic Center on February 16th. 00:20:47.040 --> 00:20:49.400 And we posted a red line and clean version 00:20:49.400 --> 00:20:53.160 of the revised solid waste ordinance on February 28th. 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:56.360 And we'll leave that online until April 4th 00:20:56.360 --> 00:20:58.000 for continued public comment. 00:20:58.000 --> 00:21:04.100 Public feedback that we've already received. 00:21:04.100 --> 00:21:05.880 There were some concerns with legal, 00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:08.640 non-conforming grandfather properties, 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:12.440 unique layouts and enough room for another container. 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:14.160 We assured the meeting attendees 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:16.200 that we would handle unique situations 00:21:16.200 --> 00:21:18.640 and layouts individually and create a plan 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:20.720 or a solution that fit their business. 00:21:20.720 --> 00:21:22.860 We understand there's not a one size fits all. 00:21:22.860 --> 00:21:24.900 So we wanna make sure that everybody's comfortable 00:21:24.900 --> 00:21:29.100 with whatever level that they can support on their property. 00:21:29.100 --> 00:21:31.920 We were asked for clear wording 00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:35.820 on what type of diversion would be acceptable. 00:21:35.820 --> 00:21:38.000 So in our letter to commercial businesses 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:40.040 in an online diversion plan portal 00:21:40.040 --> 00:21:43.260 for implementation of our commercial diversion ordinance, 00:21:43.260 --> 00:21:46.280 we would outline acceptable diversion materials. 00:21:46.280 --> 00:21:49.260 Again, non-programmatic materials, 00:21:49.260 --> 00:21:51.760 anything like used motor oil, plastic film, 00:21:51.760 --> 00:21:54.940 textile, scrap metal are all non-programmatic materials 00:21:54.940 --> 00:21:57.940 and are acceptable for the diversion plan. 00:21:57.940 --> 00:22:02.920 The ordinance updates we're proposing. 00:22:02.920 --> 00:22:05.920 One item that won't be changing is the city 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:08.920 will remain a sole provider for residential trash 00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:12.160 and residential recycling of programmatic materials 00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:14.300 and commercial multifamily trash. 00:22:14.300 --> 00:22:17.800 We'd like to include the porch collection service, 00:22:17.800 --> 00:22:21.240 valet services and the commercial diversion. 00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:23.480 We'd like to update the third party permitting 00:22:23.480 --> 00:22:27.620 and yard waste articles to reflect current processes 00:22:27.620 --> 00:22:30.080 and updates for illegal containers, 00:22:30.080 --> 00:22:33.080 overflowing materials and contamination. 00:22:33.080 --> 00:22:35.580 And I just wanna mention, there might be, 00:22:35.580 --> 00:22:37.720 this may lead to other ordinance updates 00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:39.600 needing to help with implementation. 00:22:39.600 --> 00:22:44.240 And status and next steps. 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:47.680 We held our public meeting on February 16th 00:22:47.680 --> 00:22:49.880 where we had 12 business owners attend 00:22:49.880 --> 00:22:52.440 and we got great feedback from them. 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:53.920 We were very excited for it. 00:22:53.920 --> 00:22:58.320 Our draft ordinance was completed on February 28th 00:22:58.320 --> 00:23:01.700 and I'm here today for the PUB work session. 00:23:01.700 --> 00:23:04.080 We'll have a council work session next week 00:23:04.080 --> 00:23:06.800 and then based on feedback, 00:23:06.800 --> 00:23:10.880 come back to PUB and council later in the month for approval. 00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:13.720 We'd like to start outreach in June of 2023 00:23:13.720 --> 00:23:18.240 with the implementation start around December, 2023 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:21.740 and an implementation completion in June of 2024. 00:23:21.740 --> 00:23:26.360 So what does implementation look like? 00:23:26.360 --> 00:23:27.800 We're gonna have phases. 00:23:27.800 --> 00:23:29.360 There will be five groups made 00:23:29.360 --> 00:23:32.880 from the 2,803 commercial customers. 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:34.720 Each group will be phased by months 00:23:34.720 --> 00:23:38.480 over a five month period starting in June of 2023. 00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:41.600 So group one will send a letter out in June 00:23:41.600 --> 00:23:44.420 and then have six months of implementation. 00:23:44.420 --> 00:23:47.720 So they'll hopefully start their diversion plan in December. 00:23:47.720 --> 00:23:49.360 Group two will be in July, 00:23:49.360 --> 00:23:51.680 group three will be in August and so forth. 00:23:51.680 --> 00:23:54.440 On the communication side, 00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:56.520 a letter will be sent out to each of the groups 00:23:56.520 --> 00:23:58.800 or phases as they come online. 00:23:58.800 --> 00:24:01.760 Customers who are currently commercial recycling customers 00:24:01.760 --> 00:24:03.980 with the city of Denton will receive a letter 00:24:03.980 --> 00:24:06.240 stating the new ordinance and informing them 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:08.040 that they don't need to do anything 00:24:08.040 --> 00:24:10.860 unless they change or update their diversion plan. 00:24:10.860 --> 00:24:13.080 Customers will be given a six month timeframe 00:24:13.080 --> 00:24:15.880 to implement and submit their diversion plan 00:24:15.880 --> 00:24:17.700 and feedback and reporting, 00:24:17.700 --> 00:24:20.040 solid waste and recycling team will be following up 00:24:20.040 --> 00:24:21.640 with customers as needed 00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:23.960 based on their grouping and diversion plan 00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:26.580 or any unique situations that may arise. 00:24:26.580 --> 00:24:30.400 So this is where I ask for direction to move forward 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:32.600 with the rewrite of the solid waste ordinance 00:24:32.600 --> 00:24:35.320 and include a commercial diversion article 00:24:35.320 --> 00:24:37.120 or any other direction you may have. 00:24:37.120 --> 00:24:39.960 - So does any of this have to do 00:24:39.960 --> 00:24:42.960 with the FHWA's new requirements on sustainability? 00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:49.960 - Not that I'm aware of, no. 00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:51.200 - Do you know what that is? 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:56.200 - No, we don't, but again, any other. 00:24:56.200 --> 00:24:58.920 - Sorry, Brian. 00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:04.740 - Good morning, Brian, 00:25:04.740 --> 00:25:07.120 Barnard Solid Waste Director with the city of Denton. 00:25:07.120 --> 00:25:10.680 As we worked forward, this is really an out shoot 00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:15.080 of our comprehensive solid waste management strategy 00:25:15.080 --> 00:25:19.640 and the concept was independent of any other state 00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:22.840 or federal mandates related to sustainability 00:25:22.840 --> 00:25:24.640 or diversion contained within. 00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:28.320 However, what we're doing here should align completely 00:25:28.320 --> 00:25:30.920 with whatever is being proposed at those levels. 00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:33.280 - Yeah, it looks like you're going above and beyond, 00:25:33.280 --> 00:25:36.240 but just making sure that you're aware 00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:40.040 that the FHWA is about to come down on everybody 00:25:40.040 --> 00:25:44.440 on any kind of infrastructure projects, 00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:47.680 which I would assume what you do is infrastructure. 00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:50.640 - So we'll go ahead and research that 00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:54.160 so we have that information available to discuss, 00:25:54.160 --> 00:25:55.400 not only at the council meeting, 00:25:55.400 --> 00:25:57.400 but at the following, here in a couple of weeks, 00:25:57.400 --> 00:26:02.040 we actually asked for actual approval of the ordinance 00:26:02.040 --> 00:26:03.960 to the council, so we still have two weeks 00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:05.160 before we ask for it out. 00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:07.120 - Okay, I just thought it was an appropriate question. 00:26:07.120 --> 00:26:07.940 - Thank you. 00:26:07.940 --> 00:26:08.780 - Thanks. 00:26:08.780 --> 00:26:13.120 - And how have the owners 00:26:13.120 --> 00:26:18.000 of the multifamily facilities responded to this? 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:19.680 That's always such a difficult thing 00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:23.280 to get tenants to recycle. 00:26:23.280 --> 00:26:24.760 - So at the public meeting, 00:26:24.760 --> 00:26:27.600 there were roughly 12 business owners, 00:26:27.600 --> 00:26:28.840 and most of them were multifamily. 00:26:28.840 --> 00:26:31.420 And there was a very positive group of people. 00:26:31.420 --> 00:26:34.360 There were two people that had some concerns, 00:26:34.360 --> 00:26:37.680 but after talking with them, they did seem to be on board. 00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:39.080 They weren't the happiest about it, 00:26:39.080 --> 00:26:41.720 but they understood the importance of recycling. 00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:44.520 We did receive some other public comments. 00:26:44.520 --> 00:26:46.280 They wanted to know what, 00:26:46.280 --> 00:26:48.120 if they were already recycling something, 00:26:48.120 --> 00:26:49.320 if that counted, and it did. 00:26:49.320 --> 00:26:52.240 So if they're doing some sort of recycling diversion 00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:54.640 from the landfill, that counts, so, okay. 00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:59.940 - What's the enforcement mechanism for non-compliance? 00:26:59.940 --> 00:27:03.600 - We're trying to be proactive 00:27:03.600 --> 00:27:06.400 and not come down with a heavy hand. 00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:09.620 So right now, it's making sure 00:27:09.620 --> 00:27:11.720 that they're filling out the diversion plan, 00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:13.440 and we'll follow up with those customers 00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:14.880 that don't turn in a diversion plan, 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:18.160 and that's where we are right now with enforcement piece. 00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:20.360 Community Improvement does plan on helping 00:27:20.360 --> 00:27:24.720 with the contamination and, yeah, 00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:27.480 the contamination part and illegal third party. 00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:29.000 - Is there any benefit to them 00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:31.280 beyond doing the right thing, quote unquote? 00:27:31.280 --> 00:27:33.080 Is there any benefit to them for compliance? 00:27:33.080 --> 00:27:36.480 - Ideally, you would replace the amount of trash 00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:37.840 with a recycling. 00:27:37.840 --> 00:27:42.840 So the recycling is 21 and some change per cubic yard, 00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:45.040 and trash is 24 and some change. 00:27:45.040 --> 00:27:47.920 So ideally, there'll be a less expensive 00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:49.360 on their monthly bill. 00:27:49.360 --> 00:27:52.920 So if it works the way that we would like it to work. 00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:53.760 - Thank you. 00:27:53.760 --> 00:27:58.160 - I appreciate that because that's very difficult 00:27:58.160 --> 00:28:01.880 because the whole world uses your bins. 00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:05.500 And they set things beside your bins 00:28:05.500 --> 00:28:07.640 that you have to pick up. 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:10.840 So that's an ongoing problem. 00:28:10.840 --> 00:28:14.680 I wonder though about recycling at places 00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:17.000 that have no additional space, 00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:19.420 but you're not a volume user, 00:28:19.420 --> 00:28:24.420 if there could be bags provided to put paper products, 00:28:24.420 --> 00:28:26.880 because some of these offices use nothing 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:28.280 but paper products. 00:28:28.280 --> 00:28:31.240 They don't have an additional place to put them. 00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:35.760 But if bags were provided that you could set beside your, 00:28:35.760 --> 00:28:38.000 I realize that they'd have to get out of the truck 00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:42.960 to pick up the bags, but it would be a method perhaps. 00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:44.840 - So some of these low volume, 00:28:44.840 --> 00:28:48.160 we do plan on giving options of a cart. 00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:51.880 So it's smaller footprint for those locations 00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:53.440 where the volume just isn't there, 00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:56.240 a cart should be easily manageable by our team. 00:28:56.240 --> 00:28:58.640 - So it'd be similar to the cart that our homes have. 00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:00.160 - Yes, exactly. 00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:03.520 - So I don't know how this relates. 00:29:03.520 --> 00:29:06.200 You guys are the experts, so no, I think-- 00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:08.480 - You turn your mic on, thank you. 00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:11.360 - I've said this before, but most of the recycling 00:29:11.360 --> 00:29:14.200 at my office with paper that we do goes to a shredder. 00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:18.080 Do you have any kind of cooperation with those? 00:29:18.080 --> 00:29:21.000 - So that would be, one of our comments actually 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:22.400 was that specific comment. 00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:26.500 And if you're hiring a third party to shred your paper, 00:29:26.500 --> 00:29:27.900 all we need to know is who they are 00:29:27.900 --> 00:29:31.280 and their contact information and we'll get with them 00:29:31.280 --> 00:29:32.940 and make sure that we're counting that 00:29:32.940 --> 00:29:34.240 towards your diversion plan. 00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:35.080 - Okay. 00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:38.080 - Good question, Billy. 00:29:38.080 --> 00:29:39.980 - Okay, I'm just waiting for Mr. Taylor 00:29:39.980 --> 00:29:41.200 'cause he always has good ones. 00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:42.740 Go. 00:29:42.740 --> 00:29:43.820 - He wasted the end. 00:29:43.820 --> 00:29:47.480 Not always, sometimes I jump right in front. 00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:50.800 No, so I just had a few questions. 00:29:50.800 --> 00:29:56.140 So right now there are third party permitted haulers? 00:29:56.140 --> 00:30:01.200 - Yes, so we're an open market, 00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:04.760 so anybody can sign up and say we're recycling 00:30:04.760 --> 00:30:07.080 in the city of Denton and as long as they have a permit, 00:30:07.080 --> 00:30:08.320 they're allowed to do so. 00:30:08.320 --> 00:30:12.000 - Okay, and so that's for recycling, not for solid waste? 00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:12.840 Not for municipal solid waste? 00:30:12.840 --> 00:30:14.160 - No, only recycling. 00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:15.720 - Okay, and then-- 00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:18.120 - But let me say a few things. 00:30:18.120 --> 00:30:18.960 - Yeah. 00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:23.840 - Excuse me, Brian Burner again. 00:30:23.840 --> 00:30:25.720 And this is where we get into semantics 00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:27.580 because when we talk about recycling, 00:30:27.580 --> 00:30:31.120 our mind immediately goes to the blue bin. 00:30:31.120 --> 00:30:34.600 And probably 99% of anything that's blue bin worthy, 00:30:34.600 --> 00:30:37.240 we get and send to Pratt. 00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:41.280 So a lot of our contracted third party diversion partners 00:30:41.280 --> 00:30:42.880 are taking things like C and D. 00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:45.360 They're taking things like textile. 00:30:45.360 --> 00:30:47.400 You go out to the Aldi warehouse, 00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:50.960 they've got a tremendous recycling diversion program, 00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:53.520 but they're taking film, they're taking pallets. 00:30:53.520 --> 00:30:55.880 Things that we don't take and probably never will take. 00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:59.160 So that's where those third parties are actually permitted 00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:02.080 and that's the information that we're looking to obtain 00:31:02.080 --> 00:31:04.720 through that third party process. 00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:05.560 - Okay, thank you. 00:31:05.560 --> 00:31:07.200 And actually I brought this up 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:09.800 because I actually got this flyer in the mail 00:31:09.800 --> 00:31:12.800 a week ago or so advertising like a free dumpster 00:31:12.800 --> 00:31:14.800 or a $300 dumpster. 00:31:14.800 --> 00:31:16.560 - And that's the bane of our existence. 00:31:16.560 --> 00:31:18.880 And that's part of what we want to address 00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:23.640 as part of the update to our ordinate, 00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:25.640 to the whole solid waste ordinance. 00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:27.600 And for anybody who may be watching this, 00:31:27.600 --> 00:31:31.400 again, the city of Denton is the exclusive provider 00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:34.320 of garbage for commercial and residential. 00:31:34.320 --> 00:31:36.880 So if you're hiring, if you're a homeowner, 00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:39.920 if you're a apartment builder, 00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:41.840 if you're just a general business 00:31:41.840 --> 00:31:46.000 and you're bringing in a big name or small holder 00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:48.480 such as this to provide a dumpster to provide, 00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.040 that is illegal in the city of Denton. 00:31:51.040 --> 00:31:53.640 And part of it is, it's part of our enforcement 00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:55.960 where you're working to minimize those. 00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:59.000 However, if you have a company like this 00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:01.880 who is diverting, it's not sham recycling, 00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:05.200 but it's physically going in, pulling out the materials, 00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:07.520 taking it to a third party to be reused. 00:32:07.520 --> 00:32:09.560 They'll go through the permitting process. 00:32:09.560 --> 00:32:11.920 They'll report, there are tonnages to us 00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:14.320 and we'll assure that. 00:32:14.320 --> 00:32:16.440 And then those folks are fully welcome here 00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:17.960 to operate within the city of Denton. 00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:20.080 - Okay, so if it was like a construction 00:32:20.080 --> 00:32:23.680 and demolition only dumpster, then they were, 00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:25.360 and I guess in order to get their permit, 00:32:25.360 --> 00:32:27.040 they would have to demonstrate to the city 00:32:27.040 --> 00:32:29.600 that they have a sort of-- - Yeah, they've got a place 00:32:29.600 --> 00:32:31.320 to take their gypsum off their drywall. 00:32:31.320 --> 00:32:32.840 They've got a place to take the lumber. 00:32:32.840 --> 00:32:34.200 They've got a place to take the rock 00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:35.480 and the concrete and the brick. 00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:37.640 And it's not going into a hole in the ground. 00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:40.120 It's going to somebody who is reusing that 00:32:40.120 --> 00:32:43.600 in some beneficial manner in a third party way. 00:32:43.600 --> 00:32:44.440 - Okay, thank you. 00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:49.440 And a few other, more process questions. 00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.760 I know this isn't gonna happen until fall, 00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:58.720 but the diversion for things like scrap metal, 00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:03.000 a lot of Fultons, and I forget the name of the place 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:04.880 across the street from Fultons, 00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:07.080 they get a steady stream of business 00:33:07.080 --> 00:33:12.080 from local and non-local people, companies, et cetera. 00:33:12.080 --> 00:33:16.520 Is there any way to simplify the reporting 00:33:16.520 --> 00:33:20.660 like where, if you walk into the Fultons office, 00:33:20.660 --> 00:33:24.160 you can say City of Denton commercial, 00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:25.200 like here's my account number, 00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:29.360 and then that automatically, that gets reported to the city, 00:33:29.360 --> 00:33:31.680 or does Fultons or other metal recyclers 00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:34.400 that are in the city report that now? 00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:35.600 - They don't report it now, 00:33:35.600 --> 00:33:38.160 and we wanna be very careful of double counting, 00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:40.880 so that I think that's kind of part of your question there 00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:44.320 is so that receipt that the customer gets 00:33:44.320 --> 00:33:46.960 will help them with their diversion plan. 00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:50.200 So if they're going once a week, they can just say that, 00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:53.080 'cause that would be an in-house in that scenario, 00:33:53.080 --> 00:33:55.180 the customer, it would be an in-house program. 00:33:55.180 --> 00:33:59.840 So they would say that they're coming twice a month, 00:33:59.840 --> 00:34:02.400 and their reporting would go online, 00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:04.280 and they'd say these are my two tickets, 00:34:04.280 --> 00:34:07.880 and this is what I diverted if they were doing it in-house. 00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:11.740 So we don't expect Fulton to do all that work for us. 00:34:11.740 --> 00:34:13.200 - Right, and I was wondering if there's a way 00:34:13.200 --> 00:34:18.200 to simplify that, like where they get a triplicate 00:34:19.080 --> 00:34:22.280 golden rod copy, and they have to go scan it 00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:24.080 and upload it every week. 00:34:24.080 --> 00:34:25.220 - Can I make those? 00:34:25.220 --> 00:34:26.720 (laughing) 00:34:26.720 --> 00:34:28.480 - Well, it's been a long time since I've been to Fulton's, 00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:29.760 but that's what I remember getting 00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:32.020 was the golden rod sheet off the back. 00:34:32.020 --> 00:34:33.600 - I'd be more than happy to work with them 00:34:33.600 --> 00:34:35.920 and see how we can, as soon as we get it up and running, 00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:38.460 I'm sure we can find the pain points 00:34:38.460 --> 00:34:39.840 and do some process improvement 00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:43.480 to make life a little easier in that realm, for sure. 00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:44.840 - Thank you. 00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:45.960 - You have the current trends 00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:47.760 as far as participation in recycling. 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:49.760 How is that trending over time? 00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:50.680 Is it increasing? 00:34:50.680 --> 00:34:51.520 Is it decreasing? 00:34:51.520 --> 00:34:52.880 Is there many of the same? 00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:54.560 - I've been with the city for two years, 00:34:54.560 --> 00:34:56.880 and probably the last year and a half, 00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:59.040 so I don't have historical data on that. 00:34:59.040 --> 00:35:00.440 I do know it's increasing, 00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:02.400 but I couldn't tell you by how much. 00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:07.800 - Questions? 00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:11.880 Got in on 45 minutes. 00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:14.860 So, do we have a recommendation? 00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:17.880 I'm going to go ahead and move forward. 00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:19.400 Absolutely. 00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:20.520 All right. 00:35:20.520 --> 00:35:21.360 - Well, thank you. 00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:23.800 - Yes, commercial and multi-family 00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:28.220 is the hardest to get to do this, so kudos. 00:35:28.220 --> 00:35:33.360 All right, that is 9.35. 00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:34.200 Do we have a motion? 00:35:34.200 --> 00:35:36.440 (laughing)