WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:16.580 I'm just curious because I thought that during the work session this was brought to council 00:00:16.580 --> 00:00:22.500 and council kind of came to an agreement and so then I see that it's back at traffic safety 00:00:22.500 --> 00:00:27.820 and then back at mobility so I'm kind of just wondering about what happened with the process. 00:00:27.820 --> 00:00:34.520 So I think what it was is there was an ordinance for bike share and there was a specific mention 00:00:34.520 --> 00:00:36.920 about bike share. 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:43.520 Right now we don't have, we've not tied up the scooter, the electric scooter per se as 00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:49.480 part of that ordinance so we're trying to make sure that we tie up any loose ends and 00:00:49.480 --> 00:00:55.080 make sure that our ordinance clearly specifies electric scooters so that in case there are 00:00:55.080 --> 00:01:00.960 any inquiries, in case there are any other businesses that want to come in. 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:04.920 What had happened was when we brought this information to council, council clearly gave 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:11.400 us direction to prohibit these types of vehicles per se on our rights away. 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:16.600 It was just never codified in the ordinance so we've been working under the premise the 00:01:16.600 --> 00:01:22.600 council does not want this as vendors have come in, made requests of council in recent 00:01:22.600 --> 00:01:25.400 weeks about wanting to do business in the city. 00:01:25.400 --> 00:01:30.040 We've conveyed to them that's been council's direction to not permit these but now we're 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:34.680 coming back to you with an ordinance to codify it and put it on the books. 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:39.360 So that's why it's coming through this process is the actual ordinance itself. 00:01:39.360 --> 00:01:43.080 It's more procedural at this point because I know the council is on board. 00:01:43.080 --> 00:01:48.240 Yeah, I mean I'm interested in hearing what you'll have to share although just procedurally 00:01:48.240 --> 00:01:54.320 couldn't have gone from work session to ordinance like rather than going kind of back to committee 00:01:54.320 --> 00:01:58.520 for ordinance or. 00:01:58.520 --> 00:02:04.200 Well typically the rule of thumb that we've been playing, you're using is before an item 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:11.920 comes before council if there's a whether it's a like a PB related matter or mobility 00:02:11.920 --> 00:02:19.160 related matter that goes through the respective committee and with just to give that one other 00:02:19.160 --> 00:02:23.800 sets of approvals to make sure it's vetted appropriately before it comes to council. 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:25.560 So let's proceed. 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:26.720 Good morning. 00:02:26.720 --> 00:02:27.720 My name's Mark Oliphant. 00:02:27.720 --> 00:02:30.560 I am your bicycle and pedestrian coordinator. 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:35.280 I'm in the capital projects program and traffic engineering. 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:38.560 So yes, we have discussed this in the past. 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:44.280 I'm just going to give you a quick overview knowing that you have some background on this, 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:48.240 but let's get right into it. 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:53.360 So e scooters, they've become very popular I'd say in the last 18 months to two years 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:54.880 here in the United States. 00:02:54.880 --> 00:03:02.640 They're available both as a shared use of vehicle and as individual vehicles on the 00:03:02.640 --> 00:03:03.640 left here. 00:03:03.640 --> 00:03:09.040 These are ones that are available on Amazon high quality electric scooters four to $500 00:03:09.040 --> 00:03:14.960 very similar to what you would see in other cities such as Dallas that are being shared 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:21.800 by various companies on the right is a spin shared scooter spin actually had last summer 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:27.360 a deal with TWU to provide shared bikes and then they ended up pulling out because the 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:32.000 demand for scooters was so high compared to bikes that they decided it wasn't worth it 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:34.600 for them to stay in that business. 00:03:34.600 --> 00:03:35.600 Scooters share. 00:03:35.600 --> 00:03:38.360 I think we have discussed this in the past as a quick overview. 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:44.680 It's like the bike share the parked various places throughout cities public rights of 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:51.400 way parks and people check them out with their with an app on a smartphone about a dollar 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:53.320 to check it out. 00:03:53.320 --> 00:03:58.040 There's a lot of positives about scooters that are incredibly popular. 00:03:58.040 --> 00:03:59.040 They're small. 00:03:59.040 --> 00:04:04.080 They take up a lot of space they're very energy efficient compared to using an automobile. 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:11.480 If you think about parking that you can park a hundred scooters in the space of an automobile 00:04:11.480 --> 00:04:15.480 and in a number of different cities they've really taken off very popular. 00:04:15.480 --> 00:04:20.480 Now there are also some concerns especially safety where they'll be parked where they 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:23.520 will be ridden things like that. 00:04:23.520 --> 00:04:30.760 Some headlines here I would say that the jury is still out about these scooters and safety. 00:04:30.760 --> 00:04:38.720 The CDC is actually right now working with Austin to analyze emergency room visits and 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:45.600 things like that and see if this truly is a danger. 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:49.000 Here are some other headlines concerning safety. 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:54.640 So just an overview of what might be some of the safety concerns versus say a shared 00:04:54.640 --> 00:04:58.720 bike or something you have a very small diameter wheel it doesn't roll over obstacles like 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:03.960 a larger diameter wheel you have a high center of gravity that is toward the front tight 00:05:03.960 --> 00:05:10.480 turning radius with the steering speeds that you can achieve 15 miles an hour is usually 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:16.880 the motorized top speed but you can go faster down hills or something conflicts with pedestrians 00:05:16.880 --> 00:05:21.960 where you're riding depends and also mixing with vehicular traffic. 00:05:21.960 --> 00:05:23.640 So within the Texas Code yes sir. 00:05:23.640 --> 00:05:28.160 Before we go forward do you have a point of view or information contrasting the safety 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:34.280 record of electric scooters versus electric power assisted bicycles? 00:05:34.280 --> 00:05:39.000 No I don't not at this time there really isn't good data yet although I'm looking forward 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:44.360 to that CDC report and that should tell us give us some good information but there really 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:47.400 isn't anything good right now. 00:05:47.400 --> 00:06:02.400 So municipalities they have the ability within the Texas Code to prohibit motor assisted 00:06:02.400 --> 00:06:15.120 scooters street highways or sidewalks and so this is this is up to individual municipalities 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:19.200 to decide whether they want to do that or not. 00:06:19.200 --> 00:06:25.040 Other cities have done this specifically Fort Worth does not currently allow scooters inside 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:33.760 of their inside of the city although other cities do and they've had various success 00:06:33.760 --> 00:06:36.840 with it. 00:06:36.840 --> 00:06:44.400 Currently our only prohibition is downtown in the square area where they're not allowed 00:06:44.400 --> 00:06:48.220 on sidewalks bicycles or scooters toy devices. 00:06:48.220 --> 00:06:54.440 So the city has a number of different options there really are good arguments to be made 00:06:54.440 --> 00:07:01.320 for allowing scooters but I think we're just not there yet both TWU and UNT have specifically 00:07:01.320 --> 00:07:05.240 stated that they're not ready to accept these. 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:14.120 Now related is the bike share here in the city that is coming up for it's set to expire 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:19.360 right now on 31 May and so the City Council will be looking at that again in the next 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:25.540 few months to decide what to do do they want to continue that and so my suggestion to the 00:07:25.540 --> 00:07:31.920 Council is that we for now prohibit these scooters and we look at them as part of the 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:42.020 renewal of the shared bicycle pilot program that we've had for this school year. 00:07:42.020 --> 00:07:46.720 So that is the recommendation of staff at this time yesterday we talked to the Traffic 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:52.960 Safety Commission and they they did agree that now we're not ready to take scooters 00:07:52.960 --> 00:07:57.640 but in the future this may be a good idea for Denton and they would like to see further 00:07:57.640 --> 00:08:02.640 study. 00:08:02.640 --> 00:08:08.040 I'm in agreement with the recommendation. 00:08:08.040 --> 00:08:15.040 I think since there's a study being done I would like to also see the outcome of that 00:08:15.040 --> 00:08:19.800 when it pertains to injuries because I've read a few articles and you talked about them 00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:25.320 not going over well on bumps and I know that we're in a this year we're completing a lot 00:08:25.320 --> 00:08:29.600 of streets and redoing them and I don't know that they would be that safe right now on 00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:35.160 our streets anyway and also I've I just kind of glanced through and did a quick search 00:08:35.160 --> 00:08:40.720 and there are several cities Corpus, Atlanta they're they're looking at this and adding 00:08:40.720 --> 00:08:46.280 certain restrictions and I'm glad that we are taking time to get ahead of it and think 00:08:46.280 --> 00:08:52.440 about it before before it just kind of overtakes us. 00:08:52.440 --> 00:09:09.600 I know we're short on time but I was hoping for a YouTube video in this presentation. 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:16.040 I'm hopeful that we'll learn more in parallel path about the electric power assisted bikes 00:09:16.040 --> 00:09:24.620 which seem to have all the pluses without the specific minuses associated with scooters. 00:09:24.620 --> 00:09:25.620 So I'm in support. 00:09:25.620 --> 00:09:32.560 I'm a little curious about whether there is such a thing that can be defined as like recreational 00:09:32.560 --> 00:09:35.600 use or around the neighborhood use. 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:41.000 I'm bringing it up because a member of traffic safety brought the issue up to me. 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:46.480 Not clear to me how you could define that differently but maybe you have some thoughts 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:50.720 on that or maybe Councilmember Briggs does. 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:55.640 You just made me think about something because there are electric scooters that kids do have 00:09:55.640 --> 00:10:02.840 and you know recently got as gifts for Christmas so it would banning them affect that in any 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:11.600 way like I mean it becomes felons okay so this correct as as the ordinance stands currently 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:17.440 it does ban all electric scooters from public rights of way so it would it would be both 00:10:17.440 --> 00:10:24.040 those that are from the shared companies and those owned by private individuals but so 00:10:24.040 --> 00:10:30.600 they've been still could ride in the street no no so public right away is meeting streets 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:35.200 and sidewalks they can't really ride there but they they're more than welcome to ride 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:40.720 in parks and places that there is appropriate okay so so because it's more of a recreational 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:45.240 type of use that they're more than in their yards backyards wherever they want to ride 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:50.000 that's fine but within public right of ways where there is more liability associated on 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:55.000 the city side where our streets and sidewalk system is not ready at this point we want 00:10:55.000 --> 00:11:02.160 to make sure that we tie that in I think the other thing too that's always conflict is 00:11:02.160 --> 00:11:09.040 the fact when whether it's these providers you know these for-profit providers you know 00:11:09.040 --> 00:11:14.600 as far as when they're on the app when they are releasing liability of the company for 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:19.840 injury I mean they're requiring you that user to have a helmet with them well the likelihood 00:11:19.840 --> 00:11:25.080 of a person wanting to just use just I think I'm just gonna go and try on this new vehicle 00:11:25.080 --> 00:11:32.360 per se who's gonna have a helmet versus potentially a kid that gets these scooters I'm not saying 00:11:32.360 --> 00:11:36.360 that in all cases but in some situations you would think in most situations if they have 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:41.600 a parent they would want them to be wearing a helmet so there is a little bit of a difference 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:47.140 and so I think having those in the parks again is sort of in a supervised environment not 00:11:47.140 --> 00:11:50.760 always but more likely to supervise an environment with the appropriate safety equipment whether 00:11:50.760 --> 00:11:56.600 it's helmet pads for the hands and knees just like they would if they're riding a bicycle 00:11:56.600 --> 00:12:04.400 could we put together some kind of a along the same timeline as the ordinance sort of 00:12:04.400 --> 00:12:08.600 a public communication of do's and don'ts where you can use them it never occurred to 00:12:08.600 --> 00:12:13.300 me until you said it that oh people could take them to parks you know we have many miles 00:12:13.300 --> 00:12:20.240 of trail you know so where can you use them and you know we suggest you use a helmet and 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:30.020 you know yeah yeah I just I assumed that this was just about those companies and bringing 00:12:30.020 --> 00:12:36.720 them here and so that's a I appreciate you Councilman Councilmember Metzler saying that 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:40.240 because then I was like wait my son is has a ten-year-old friend and rides it to our 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:47.140 house with he has a you know a helmet on I just don't I don't yeah so that's not okay 00:12:47.140 --> 00:12:56.600 now okay thank you all right anything else on this item thank you very much let's move 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:02.000 on to item C receive an updated report hold the discussion and provide direction on the 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:19.000 metropolitan sorry miss something yeah okay so I'll articulate okay motion second all 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:29.120 in favor okay now moving on everything I just said direction on the MTA excuse me MTP policy 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:37.120 bundle a program in which applicants apply to receive transportation development credits 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:41.600 good morning my name is Katie Welch and I work with the capital projects department and 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:47.320 I'm going to be giving a status update on this North Central Texas Council of Governments 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:53.440 policy bundle program we gave an initial report back in November of 2018 to this committee 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:58.560 just going over some basics about the program and in the past month and a half we've gathered 00:13:58.560 --> 00:14:05.720 more information so have an update for you all I'm sorry for my sniffles I'm so I know 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:10.760 we went over the program I just wanted to do a quick overview so basically North Central 00:14:10.760 --> 00:14:16.840 Texas Council of Governments has a list of 20 recommended transportation policies and 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:23.600 if an entity adopts at least 50% of them so in this case 10 10 or more then we are eligible 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:28.320 for transportation development credits and these credits basically offset the local match 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:32.680 and federally funded transportation projects so they end up helping the city save some 00:14:32.680 --> 00:14:44.240 money on some of our transportation infrastructure projects and so yes didn't occur to me to 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:49.040 ask this in advance do we know how many credits we would qualify for like what is it is it 00:14:49.040 --> 00:14:55.800 scaled in some way so each project when you submit a project going forward they have a 00:14:55.800 --> 00:15:02.520 bank of six hundred seven hundred million dollars worth of these credits and they apply 00:15:02.520 --> 00:15:06.800 to your project whatever that local match is that's needed for that particular project 00:15:06.800 --> 00:15:13.800 so it they can award it by project or they can award it by by a program and so typically 00:15:13.800 --> 00:15:18.800 with the way the city that submits projects if we would do this it would be our local 00:15:18.800 --> 00:15:26.480 match requirement per project so but you know would it wipe out all of our local match requirements 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:32.040 for a period of time or so just like you'll get a prize so you don't know what it's going 00:15:32.040 --> 00:15:41.400 to be so remember that these credits are not real money they are if you've had a federal 00:15:41.400 --> 00:15:48.880 aid project and it's a hundred dollars and you get funded for it the feds will pay for 00:15:48.880 --> 00:15:54.760 $80 and you got to pay for 20 in this case if you earn these credits right or to be eligible 00:15:54.760 --> 00:15:59.320 to access those credits they'll simply apply those credits to your project and you can 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:04.640 get a hundred dollar project for $80 you don't put anything in the trick is to build a hundred 00:16:04.640 --> 00:16:12.880 dollar project for $80 so that therein lies the rub so but what happens a lot of times 00:16:12.880 --> 00:16:22.080 is we negotiate with with the NPO to make it a hundred and twenty dollar project have 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:26.240 the local match be offset by the credits and then we build a hundred dollar project for 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:33.120 a hundred dollars so it can work out is as long as you're going into with your eyes open 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:41.480 but but we do we have any idea so the region has a whole each because these these toll 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:50.280 credits are back when we converted 190 and 121 and 360 all these roads to toll roads 00:16:50.280 --> 00:16:55.680 the federal government wanted those entities that were aggressive and using those tools 00:16:55.680 --> 00:17:01.080 to have some benefit other than just getting those roads built sooner and so basically 00:17:01.080 --> 00:17:06.280 they give you an allocation every five years or so to those areas that had toll roads that 00:17:06.280 --> 00:17:12.360 they they developed and I think the last time I remember seeing the number it was like 650 00:17:12.360 --> 00:17:18.520 million dollars for the North Texas area and you can trade those to other MPOs but it's 00:17:18.520 --> 00:17:26.920 about 650 million dollars in credits and so they just allocate them by project to each 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:34.920 of these entities only if you pass this policy bundle so if you qualify you can play and 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:41.700 if you have projects that happen sooner you get you you get to submit the project and 00:17:41.700 --> 00:17:46.480 make the request to have your local match waived because you've earned these credits 00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:51.640 or the access to these credits and then the NPO at that point for that project will determine 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:56.160 okay we're going to give you you know five million dollars in credits for this project 00:17:56.160 --> 00:18:04.560 and it'll show up yeah 80% the project is 120 the feds are putting in 100 the locals 00:18:04.560 --> 00:18:08.800 batch of 20 dollars is offset by their toll credits so how much you ultimately get depends 00:18:08.800 --> 00:18:12.720 on how much we build in the time frame while there's still money in the kitty I don't have 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:17.160 the number on me but I can we can get it to you as follow-up they have examples of cities 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:22.120 from last year how much they each got who applied so we can send that and follow up 00:18:22.120 --> 00:18:28.320 and I believe how many ever credits you get they're good for the year but in order to 00:18:28.320 --> 00:18:33.360 reuse them let's say in 2020 we'll have to reapply and just show so you have to show 00:18:33.360 --> 00:18:38.200 every year in order to use the same credits that you're still meeting all of the policies 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:45.880 or the 50% okay so we can get that for you and then okay and then so we've got these 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:51.400 policies I kind of went over this last time span I believe it's 12 different categories 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:58.240 which I have listed up here related to transportation and last time after initial preliminary research 00:18:58.240 --> 00:19:03.480 we gave you categories that we thought the policies that we thought we were we were meeting 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:07.480 that we are more than likely meeting and then the ones that we still need to do further 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:14.040 research on today we've been able to classify them more specifically based on further research 00:19:14.040 --> 00:19:20.600 and coordination with Council of Governments and internal departments so we've got 12 policies 00:19:20.600 --> 00:19:25.280 that we've got confirmation that we're satisfying so that puts us over the 10 marks so we've 00:19:25.280 --> 00:19:30.760 got the the checks for 12 and then we've got five in the category that we're not meeting 00:19:30.760 --> 00:19:36.240 but are good for the city like you said last time they benefit the city or just good policy 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:40.080 and then we've got three which I'll go over as well that we're still further researching 00:19:40.080 --> 00:19:47.760 and waiting on some answers back and forth so we'll go through these are the 12 that 00:19:47.760 --> 00:19:52.380 we are we've gotten confirmation from Council of Governments that we're meeting I can go 00:19:52.380 --> 00:19:57.200 into any any of them specifically if y'all have questions but these are the ones that 00:19:57.200 --> 00:20:04.000 we currently have policy for here at the city I did want to make one note on securing transportation 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:13.960 infrastructure this one is one in which they would like local entities to give input onto 00:20:13.960 --> 00:20:22.560 what the top 10 regionally identified infrastructure infrastructure throughout the region are 00:20:22.560 --> 00:20:26.560 helping give input onto the top 10 and then helping come up with a plan on how to secure 00:20:26.560 --> 00:20:34.040 that for this policy as long as we state that we're willing to participate that in that 00:20:34.040 --> 00:20:38.000 with cog then we can get that credit so I did want to bring that that to y'all's attention 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:42.240 and just make sure that that's something that we are wanting to participate in whether it's 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:50.320 staff council I've got confirmation that Council of Governments will be setting up those sessions 00:20:50.320 --> 00:20:54.040 in the future to start getting cities input so they just want to know that we're willing 00:20:54.040 --> 00:21:01.280 to participate and would staff tend to sort of tee up a draft or you know some options 00:21:01.280 --> 00:21:07.080 that was my understanding staff coordination council coordination together helping to give 00:21:07.080 --> 00:21:17.560 input and identify regionally sound a regional regional structures so that's those 12 the 00:21:17.560 --> 00:21:25.120 next five are the ones that we're not currently satisfying but we have methods and steps in 00:21:25.120 --> 00:21:29.840 place that we'd like to take in order to meet the policies because they are good and benefit 00:21:29.840 --> 00:21:36.560 the city I did want to make a note on this first one idling restrictions we have a memorandum 00:21:36.560 --> 00:21:43.360 of agreement with TCEQ that basically states that were following the state law on idling 00:21:43.360 --> 00:21:49.600 restrictions however it expired on December 31st of 18 I've spoken with Catherine Barnett 00:21:49.600 --> 00:21:54.320 and sustainability and she's got it on her agenda to take that to in the environment 00:21:54.320 --> 00:21:58.960 committee on the environment and then council hopefully as a consent agenda item to get 00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:04.640 that back and renewed and that will actually be added to the first list so take us to 13 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:12.440 wasn't there a specific dent in city city then specific idling restriction as well well 00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:19.720 and it's related that is related to our fleet our fleet vehicles internally and so this 00:22:19.720 --> 00:22:24.520 particular policy with Council of Governments they're referring to any vehicle within the 00:22:24.520 --> 00:22:31.320 city public or fleet and so this memorandum of agreement states that we're doing that 00:22:31.320 --> 00:22:38.600 as well in addition to the the fleet city-owned fleet in our clean fleet ordinance be interested 00:22:38.600 --> 00:22:46.880 in policy options to yes if there's room beyond what the state requires you know that might 00:22:46.880 --> 00:22:54.880 be worth considering okay I'd love to know you know what those options might be okay 00:22:54.880 --> 00:23:02.520 and then the next one is parking management these are policies that are focused on reducing 00:23:02.520 --> 00:23:08.000 excess traffic circulation and they give some examples of what that what that could possibly 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:12.800 be and I can go into those if y'all like but we've talked internally as staff as this being 00:23:12.800 --> 00:23:19.720 something we want to work toward I mean I'm interested would you like to hear more about 00:23:19.720 --> 00:23:29.520 parking management options today we can provide follow-up if you'd like with just more detail 00:23:29.520 --> 00:23:37.080 how about a little you know sort of isr to the committee and then you know tentatively 00:23:37.080 --> 00:23:42.080 put it on the agenda for the next time okay does that include zone parking I believe so 00:23:42.080 --> 00:23:45.960 they have a bunch of different options on what would qualify and so we can go through 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:49.480 all of them if we do at least one we get the check but I know it's you know we want to 00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:54.400 do good policy yeah the check we're beyond the check we're beyond the check I just what 00:23:54.400 --> 00:24:02.240 you know it this is just inspiration for us totally interested in your you know your responses 00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:11.160 to this suggestion definitely okay the third one that we're not meeting but we would like 00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:15.720 to be meeting is complete streets policy and while we do have reference to this in our 00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:22.320 comprehensive plan they're looking for a citywide policy that states this and that we're going 00:24:22.320 --> 00:24:29.480 to be applying these type of initiatives to all future and past projects that we're that 00:24:29.480 --> 00:24:36.160 we're doing however we do have plans to include this in our mobility plan update so something 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:41.380 that will be working towards the next one is wrong way driving we talked about this 00:24:41.380 --> 00:24:46.900 last time basically they want to see that the city's been making improvements some examples 00:24:46.900 --> 00:24:51.480 are improvements to help prevent wrong way driving examples including route markers wrong 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:56.800 way reflective pavement air pavement arrows they provide a long comprehensive list I have 00:24:56.800 --> 00:25:01.320 it if you would like to see it I don't know if we have time today just curious to hear 00:25:01.320 --> 00:25:05.000 you know well I guess you're already telling us you think this is a good idea that we actually 00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:12.520 have wrong way driving occurring and that you know this like why wouldn't we address 00:25:12.520 --> 00:25:18.960 that if that if this problem exists right so yeah they have a lot a lot of comprehensive 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:24.880 list of things they recommend to prevent wrong way driving to help curb it yeah these are 00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:29.440 these are all things that you know we can do keep our agenda full you know keep meeting 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:37.760 each month some of these we are actually already doing it's a matter of putting it as a policy 00:25:37.760 --> 00:25:44.960 putting it as a part of our criteria manuals part of our mobility plans part of our different 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:51.480 manuals that we use for traffic so it's not per se that we're not doing this it's more 00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:58.240 of making it formally known and formalizing it and I think part of the wrong way driving 00:25:58.240 --> 00:26:03.800 is more educational effort so chair a little bit of history back when this policy was initially 00:26:03.800 --> 00:26:11.760 adopted there was a very shorter list of policies and initially all of these policies started 00:26:11.760 --> 00:26:17.880 as incentives if you have these policy in place clean fleet then you can get extra points 00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:23.720 on your selection criteria and they slowly moved over to the stick that if you don't 00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:29.640 have the policy in place you can't even apply for the program and so when they put this 00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:36.680 into the last mobility plan for these TDCs the initial list had only those very difficult 00:26:36.680 --> 00:26:42.280 items that nobody wanted to do so in order to get it to pass the RTC they added stuff 00:26:42.280 --> 00:26:47.100 that everybody's doing already to make it a little bit easier to get across the threshold 00:26:47.100 --> 00:26:56.160 so you feel like you're halfway there and then the last one we have on here is the employer 00:26:56.160 --> 00:27:02.600 trip reduction strategies are we providing those as a city to both they're looking to 00:27:02.600 --> 00:27:08.120 see if we're providing them both to our employees you know strategies on how to carpool and 00:27:08.120 --> 00:27:13.720 reduce trips back and forth to work but also they're also interested in if we are providing 00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:20.000 those to new businesses that come new employers are we giving them educational pieces options 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:27.220 on how to reduce trips carpool and so that's kind of the focus of that one they also ask 00:27:27.220 --> 00:27:33.640 I wanted to put this on here something called tryparkingit.com they recommend using this 00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:39.600 website kind of platform in our SharePoint internal SharePoint to track our employees 00:27:39.600 --> 00:27:44.160 side shares that may be another item as well later down the road we have time to get into 00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:53.020 it today but those are kind of what they're looking at to see if we're doing and recommending 00:27:53.020 --> 00:27:59.600 and then last three policies still looking into and gathering further research on still 00:27:59.600 --> 00:28:04.400 good policies for the city though regardless if we get the checkmark or not traffic incident 00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:12.700 management this is looking at do we have a citywide policy regarding traffic incident 00:28:12.700 --> 00:28:18.520 management are we tracking regional performance metrics and are we doing a major incident 00:28:18.520 --> 00:28:24.520 review process I did get confirmation from our fire department that they have all attended 00:28:24.520 --> 00:28:29.600 traffic incident management training which was one of the checks that we could have gotten 00:28:29.600 --> 00:28:34.040 to get the credit I'm waiting to get confirmation on that but there's also some good recommendations 00:28:34.040 --> 00:28:40.800 there past that that the cog is recommending land use strategies I know we talked about 00:28:40.800 --> 00:28:47.280 this last time they have a lot of different recommendations on policies in place and so 00:28:47.280 --> 00:28:51.000 I believe we have them in our debt in 2030 comprehensive plan it's just a matter of going 00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:57.760 through it and finding all of it and showcasing it to council government and then clean construction 00:28:57.760 --> 00:29:02.280 this is regarding whether or not we have clean construction standards within some of our 00:29:02.280 --> 00:29:08.800 contract language and so that's something that I'm still working internally to to determine 00:29:08.800 --> 00:29:16.220 if we are not back and forth with council of governments as well and then was there 00:29:16.220 --> 00:29:22.000 any questions on that past last one I have a little bit more detailed schedule than last 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:28.680 time the early application deadline is due March 15th final application deadlines do 00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:33.400 April 15th they give that month buffer so that if we submit they can give feedback if 00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:38.000 there's something we're missing something we thought we were doing and not or vice versa 00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:44.440 so they'll give us feedback in that month period and then I was told by council of governments 00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:50.520 in July is when they typically will grant the transportation development credits and 00:29:50.520 --> 00:29:55.080 let us know how much we're going to receive and then in order to use those towards projects 00:29:55.080 --> 00:30:00.800 we have to go through the transportation improvement program modification process add the project 00:30:00.800 --> 00:30:06.360 to the transportation improvement plan in order to use the credits so that process I 00:30:06.360 --> 00:30:13.120 believe starts in August of 19 when we can submit our project but we can be looking into 00:30:13.120 --> 00:30:19.000 what projects were interested in before that and have that ready to go and that's what 00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:26.240 I have for you all is there any questions comments questions my suggestion I'm looking 00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:31.680 for you know confirmation from my colleagues here would be if there are items that are 00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:39.240 really just for show but that you know don't change any actual behavior I wouldn't put 00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:46.760 more time into it but but the items where we would really be potentially you know pursuing 00:30:46.760 --> 00:30:53.760 good new policies I would say you know schedule met into our agenda and let's do deeper dives 00:30:53.760 --> 00:30:58.880 on them as you're ready okay okay and that kind of one by one yeah so we can take them 00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:04.840 up as items just like scooters or anything else okay sounds good make sense yes thank 00:31:04.840 --> 00:31:08.960 you all for your time thank you and good to know that we're we qualify yeah I was very 00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:19.440 excited when I got the 12 all right so moving on to item D receive a report and hold the 00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:24.860 discussion regarding text on system projects in the Denton area to include the 35 express 00:31:24.860 --> 00:31:31.800 project and I have a request if we could take like one minute to just look at the big picture 00:31:31.800 --> 00:31:36.440 I'd love to hear you know your one minute version of what is the overall concept you 00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:40.960 know what are we like is it we I we go through the individual projects and and maybe it is 00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:46.200 just a list of individual projects but is there a sort of thing text out is aiming for 00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:50.600 is it that we're going to be ringed by six lane roads or you know what is the big picture 00:31:50.600 --> 00:31:54.600 it would help me if you could do it in one minute or less you want to do you want to 00:31:54.600 --> 00:32:02.320 put the map up so I'm gonna pull a map that's because then I'll understand each of the projects 00:32:02.320 --> 00:32:06.680 you know this can all understand them in the context of what we're trying to build to this 00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:12.320 message is there a concept good last mobility committee meeting in November this is what 00:32:12.320 --> 00:32:17.120 was presented and we were trying to overlay some of text up projects these are text up 00:32:17.120 --> 00:32:23.760 projects in red and then this also these three interchanges along with some of our internal 00:32:23.760 --> 00:32:29.560 projects that we're working on as far as CIP projects long term as well as some street 00:32:29.560 --> 00:32:35.920 reconstruct projects that are coming up so we're trying to build this big picture overview 00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:41.880 of how the city will be under construction with different projects and I think what council 00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:49.120 member chairs trying to get at is how does text dot look at it long term big picture 00:32:49.120 --> 00:32:54.560 their individual projects is there anything that they're looking at as far as a big map 00:32:54.560 --> 00:33:04.000 in the region or within the city limits and the county so I guess it's on now sorry about 00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:10.360 that so it's a conglomeration of efforts when we get in it's a conglomeration of efforts 00:33:10.360 --> 00:33:16.360 it's between the county the metropolitan planning organization the local communities but it's 00:33:16.360 --> 00:33:22.320 looking at regionally how do people move around the entire community as a network so the state 00:33:22.320 --> 00:33:27.440 obviously has some goals they have long-term goals are looking statewide how do they move 00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:31.880 people to and from and they've got projections on what they foresee their vehicular traffic 00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:37.560 looking like where do they move heavy freight where they move more the commuter traffic 00:33:37.560 --> 00:33:43.320 where those pinch points in the area but then they get into the conversation with us as 00:33:43.320 --> 00:33:47.400 frequently as possible either through the council of governments or through one-on-one 00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:53.400 meetings where we get a chance to talk about were the issues that we have associated commuter 00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:59.000 issues where we exchange items from people getting off the interstate to now they're 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:05.360 getting on to the local roads or they're getting on to text dots less traveled highways even 00:34:05.360 --> 00:34:11.200 though we seem as very highly traveled so their goals and aims are depends on where 00:34:11.200 --> 00:34:15.600 they are and where they're getting some of the direction but most of it is very localized 00:34:15.600 --> 00:34:20.600 so so it's a it is kind of what it looks like it's a set of projects to relieve individual 00:34:20.600 --> 00:34:25.960 pinch points it's not that there's some master plan that we're their master plan it generally 00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:31.120 goes in line with whatever the MPO they're working around and with metropolitan planning 00:34:31.120 --> 00:34:35.440 organizations so if they're working with cog they're gonna they're lockstep with cog and 00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:40.880 what do you see as the long-term vision in the area so one of the major projects that 00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:48.360 we we've only really heard about and I know John knows more about it John bolster but 00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:53.480 it's the outer loop so we've heard the outer loop and what that is is if you look at the 00:34:53.480 --> 00:35:00.280 Dallas Fort Worth area as an overall transportation nexus a corridor that so many people come 00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:06.960 to and then leave a pass through it is the crossroads for a variety of destinations Houston 00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:12.840 Austin as well as east west El Paso to the west coast all the way through to Shreveport 00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:18.300 and back east with all of this coming together in one place that outer loop is designed to 00:35:18.300 --> 00:35:26.080 provide a faster way of getting people where they want to go so there are a variety of 00:35:26.080 --> 00:35:31.080 strategies but it's always this constant push of how do I keep up with the aging infrastructure 00:35:31.080 --> 00:35:36.340 that's always on tech starts mine but then as I'm upgrading the aging infrastructure 00:35:36.340 --> 00:35:42.120 and meeting the traffic volumes what does that need to be really the local municipalities 00:35:42.120 --> 00:35:49.080 the cog whoever they're working with in their localized areas they know better than say 00:35:49.080 --> 00:35:53.120 somebody in Austin they know general principles how much money they have where they're getting 00:35:53.120 --> 00:35:57.600 federal dollars but as far as was it actually look like what's the purpose that does become 00:35:57.600 --> 00:36:02.440 something that's that's worked out with the counties and the local offices the cities 00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:07.920 those have to be done together thanks for hearing me and explaining that sure let's 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:13.320 use the remaining time do your deal you know I'm sorry I cast my brakes you had a comment 00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:17.880 like I just couldn't hear it I would just like like it if you could email the mobility 00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:22.680 committee that map that you just showed just so that we can have it on hand okay for people 00:36:22.680 --> 00:36:29.720 that ask okay to share with the public yeah it was in the previous so there we go sorry 00:36:29.720 --> 00:36:49.080 online so okay definitely share with the public all right so let me just pull the reports 00:36:49.080 --> 00:37:08.160 good morning again thanks for letting me come back I've been gone a little bit while I was 00:37:08.160 --> 00:37:14.680 gone it was most of the time I was in Austin working with our friends at the at the headquarters 00:37:14.680 --> 00:37:20.360 area on the April clear lanes project list that they're going to be putting out and one 00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:25.920 of the things that's not on this list that we'll talk about is the wishbone between 35w 00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:31.640 and 35e all the way up to 77 that's the project that there were two projects submitted in 00:37:31.640 --> 00:37:37.160 the Dallas district this project you know the frontage roads over I-30 in Rockwell County 00:37:37.160 --> 00:37:43.440 so we'll know it's a 420 million dollar ask on that first project and so we'll know more 00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:52.120 about that in April but that's why I was gone I wasn't on vacation not that it matters you'd 00:37:52.120 --> 00:37:58.640 be allowed to have vacation too I think I need you to get that to my wife then okay 00:37:58.640 --> 00:38:04.800 so what what we do here on this list is just kind of show you an overview of the projects 00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:09.720 that we are working on that are either under construction have contractors on or engineering 00:38:09.720 --> 00:38:16.160 working on and the total dollar amount of the infrastructure that's included in these 00:38:16.160 --> 00:38:20.400 project lists that we're doing so you see the order of magnitude on what your staff 00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:24.960 is working on with the various partners in order to achieve these projects and this one 00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:30.400 doesn't include the big wishbone project that we're talking about that we submitted for 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:36.680 clear lanes yet so that would add another half a billion dollars to that project list 00:38:36.680 --> 00:38:44.360 so that's the good news we'll start right off with the bad news MCM and 2181 MCM is 00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:50.400 a contractor that we've had trouble with from day one they had five contracts in the state 00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:55.200 of Texas four of them were in Denton County and one of them was in Collin County and they 00:38:55.200 --> 00:39:20.800 are getting out of the construction business and so at the very end of 00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:37.680 I'll instruct the universe to hold 11 o'clock for a while so again this is a project that 00:39:37.680 --> 00:39:46.960 was awarded to MCM they are doing also the city of Denton's water and wastewater reconstruction 00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:50.760 as part of this project and that's you look at the text that report if you read the 00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:56.320 narratives mostly what they're doing is moving temporary pavement around to be able to do 00:39:56.320 --> 00:40:02.480 the water line and the city's utilities first and so that's what they've been working on 00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:09.680 and at the very end of 2018 I got a call from the district to let me know that the district 00:40:09.680 --> 00:40:15.440 was probably going to be submitting what they call a 10-day letter to MCM at the first of 00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:21.080 the year and a 10-day letter is the beginning of the late so a lot of times I'll do 10-day 00:40:21.080 --> 00:40:25.880 letters and they don't mean it and the contract ignores it they just move on but I was communicated 00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:31.400 by the district that this 10-day letter is a 10-day letter to get them to perform or 00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:38.920 they were going to begin the process of defaulting MCM on the contract if that's the case what 00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:44.960 happens is the bonding company is the state puts a claim on the bonding company terminates 00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:51.160 the contract with MCM and then goes to the bonding company to exercise their rights as 00:40:51.160 --> 00:40:58.520 a state to get the bonding company to come in and build 2181 for the price negotiated 00:40:58.520 --> 00:41:03.800 the problem with that is is that you spend about 10 to 12 months arguing with the bonding 00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:12.080 company about what has been expended what's been constructed what's remaining to be done 00:41:12.080 --> 00:41:21.280 and so if we go through that process there's a potential that 2181 would go idle for upwards 00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:28.080 of a year now we're working really hard to avoid that but MCM is not performing they're 00:41:28.080 --> 00:41:32.960 clearing out on all of their projects there's several of them that they just walked they 00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:41.200 started on FM 544 one of my projects in another area of the county at the same time that AGL 00:41:41.200 --> 00:41:49.800 started on 35 they're still not done they've only got half the road done on 544 and so 00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:54.560 there's issues related to this contract and I'm certain that I'll either get a question 00:41:54.560 --> 00:42:03.560 or comment but if not I'm going to move on all right so it gets better because we have 00:42:03.560 --> 00:42:07.840 no control over their contractors right you are correct all right move on but you can't 00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:12.320 make it as painful as possible yeah so they'll you know they're going to try to get it done 00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:18.920 as quickly as possible the district is committed to you know doing this as quickly as possible 00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:23.960 so I haven't heard I've been out of town what that result is but I'll get that to y'all 00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:29.920 probably the next day or so but that's what I was told at the very end of last year so 00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:34.960 your Fort Worth drive project this is a project that when I started working on this I didn't 00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:43.480 have any children and now I got one that just graduated from Texas Tech so the project was 00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:50.080 awarded to SEMA we awarded it in November we got through the nine or ten year process 00:42:50.080 --> 00:42:56.000 with UP and it took us between November and January 2nd to get UP to give us a permit 00:42:56.000 --> 00:43:03.440 to do the work they agreed to let us do in the original agreement so SEMA time has started 00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:11.140 January 2nd and they are out there doing the yard in the field set up and we will continue 00:43:11.140 --> 00:43:18.920 to have constant updates provided both to we have a technical I mean a on system Task 00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:23.880 Force meeting we do about every three weeks or so this will be on that list to update 00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:28.240 the city and any issues that come up we'll be able to bring the mobility committee as 00:43:28.240 --> 00:43:35.320 they come up but this project is finally under construction hallelujah and SEMA is a pretty 00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:41.520 decent contractor they did all the work for the 114 170 Parrish Lane work for the county 00:43:41.520 --> 00:43:49.560 back in the southern part of the county your I-35E Mayhill project this is a project that 00:43:49.560 --> 00:43:53.960 is fully funded at the forty six point two million dollars we are looking at a ready 00:43:53.960 --> 00:44:00.000 to let at the end of this year so about the time we start to see a little bit of relief 00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:07.120 on 288 we're gonna rip all this stuff out now now that you're seeing what 288 looks 00:44:07.120 --> 00:44:14.160 like the northbound side that's that 10 lane bridge Mayhill will be 12 underneath it because 00:44:14.160 --> 00:44:18.240 it's got six lanes of traffic coming to it instead of four so maybe it will actually 00:44:18.240 --> 00:44:23.200 be a far larger regional movement between the work that the city is doing on Mayhill 00:44:23.200 --> 00:44:32.320 to get up to 380 and the fact that 2499 hits 35 there that'll be a very large intersection 00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:38.400 for the city and that project's funded LTR is doing the design work so our environment 00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:43.920 we cleared and we're looking at a ready to let of December 2019 and there are there were 00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:49.000 got some other good news on this so there were 12 parcels that we thought we needed 00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:54.200 we're probably going to have a need additional parcels because I'm going to try to where 00:44:54.200 --> 00:45:14.240 did you do the zoom thing see on mine I just use my fingers 00:45:14.240 --> 00:45:27.200 so your staff pointed out the Mayhill okay so the 288 project does all the frontage roads 00:45:27.200 --> 00:45:37.720 southbound frontage roads and all in the permanent location in the Mayhill through near to 2181 00:45:37.720 --> 00:45:43.080 all the frontage roads are on their their permanent location when we initially did the Mayhill 00:45:43.080 --> 00:45:50.000 job we stopped past the the ramp in the city brought this to us that we've got this least 00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:57.760 last little piece that's not part of the project from about here to the 288 intersection where 00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:04.520 it was just missed by all three projects and so what textile agreed to do since we have 00:46:04.520 --> 00:46:11.960 that 361 million dollars to apply to 35 is to go ahead and take LTRA contract and include 00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:17.760 the northbound frontage road all the way to the tie-in where the permanent frontage road 00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:22.860 terminates just south 288 on the northbound side so once we're done with Mayhill everything 00:46:22.860 --> 00:46:28.960 from just north of 288 to just south of Mayhill will be in its permanent position related 00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:36.920 to the infrastructure on the ultimate schematic so and because of that okay where am I where's 00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:47.920 the report so because of that it says right here textile anticipates addition of possible 00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:53.560 six or more parcels with the expanded project limit so as we go north to the towards 288 00:46:53.560 --> 00:46:58.760 there may be some parcels we have to acquire there as well in their permanent configuration 00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:04.840 so good news is December 2019 should go into construction pretty close to that time frame 00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:10.560 it's fully funded once we're completed everything will be permanently in its permanent location 00:47:10.560 --> 00:47:17.040 related to the frontage roads that minimizes any improvements that we do in the future 00:47:17.040 --> 00:47:27.520 for the ultimate will be inside the right away footprint okay OHL and the I can't say 00:47:27.520 --> 00:47:34.080 that here the project that I love to love main point I want to make here is is that 00:47:34.080 --> 00:47:38.560 they're building the northbound main lanes now they're saying that in February they'll 00:47:38.560 --> 00:47:44.440 flip all the traffic up to those northbound lanes and start building the southbound main 00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:52.480 line so it was November then December was January in December now it's February in 00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:58.240 January it's like tomorrow right tomorrow never comes because it turns into the day 00:47:58.240 --> 00:48:06.720 but this time they really mean it I don't know can I quote you on that it's OHL they're 00:48:06.720 --> 00:48:12.600 headquartered out of Madrid so there's a lot of difficulty there but they have had some 00:48:12.600 --> 00:48:19.960 marine issues so it's only 80 percent their fault but anyway the completion date is saying 00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:25.880 July 2019 that's probably not the case we're renegotiating or redoing the schedule now 00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:32.000 and once we get that we'll provide the stamp and report and let you know what it is some 00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:37.320 clarification that the brinker underpass will not be complete is that what you're saying 00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:46.200 or just the so the highway part okay so once we the reason we can't put brinker under is 00:48:46.200 --> 00:48:51.040 because we have to build the main lanes there first and so that's the whole bridge structure 00:48:51.040 --> 00:48:55.520 for brinker has to be there in order for us to use brinker but in order to do that the 00:48:55.520 --> 00:49:01.400 whole bridge structure for 288 has to be there as well and so essentially that means that's 00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:07.560 a long way of saying yes the it won't open till right at the end of the project is when 00:49:07.560 --> 00:49:15.080 brinker scheduled to open according to OHL they're not going to open it early and we 00:49:15.080 --> 00:49:24.040 offer the money the county did the Buckees offered money but they are just not interested 00:49:24.040 --> 00:49:35.160 did they offer beaver nuggets i'll have to get back to you on that i'm not sure so 35 00:49:35.160 --> 00:49:39.920 north this project has a schematic approval in january we had to make some changes because 00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:46.380 of a historical form in the northern area and keep in mind we need this project cleared 00:49:46.380 --> 00:49:53.560 because part of this project is part of our wishbone project because you will note 77 00:49:53.560 --> 00:50:00.760 is right in here somewhere i think i think that's 7 1173 our project from the wishbone 00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:07.800 goes all the way from 35 w all the way to past 380 to it past 288 to 77 so we can tie 00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:14.640 77 in with 1173 the way your city thoroughfare plan shows because if we don't do anything 00:50:14.640 --> 00:50:19.560 but just get past 380 all we're doing is moving the bottleneck further north we got to get 00:50:19.560 --> 00:50:25.960 past 77 so this project will be cleared by spring of next year which is in the same time 00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:30.160 we're going to hear about clear lanes on this wishbone project but part of this project 00:50:30.160 --> 00:50:38.000 is included in that wishbone ask i know we're running out of time but both of us we've heard 00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:44.120 plenty of complaints about the exit at 380 and i-35 and how it's worse than it's ever 00:50:44.120 --> 00:50:49.160 been and so i see both of those roads up here on this map now so if this is in the appropriate 00:50:49.160 --> 00:50:54.040 time but i remember i recall you mentioning it and saying something was going to happen 00:50:54.040 --> 00:50:57.480 but so what we were initially we're going to do is what we need to do to solve that 00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:01.400 problem is build what's in the ultimate which is your braided rent because what you have 00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:07.160 is you have at grade on ramps and off ramps in the same location and everybody's fighting 00:51:07.160 --> 00:51:11.320 to get on while everybody's trying to fighting to get off what the ultimate does is take 00:51:11.320 --> 00:51:18.000 those two to those two actions and separates them so the on has a bridge over and off goes 00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:23.720 under and they don't conflict but that just moves the problem to 380 and so we're going 00:51:23.720 --> 00:51:30.600 all the way to 77 with this next phase so yes that's included in this project and remember 00:51:30.600 --> 00:51:34.840 it's essentially environmentally cleared well it is environmentally cleared it's just a 00:51:34.840 --> 00:51:41.400 matter of getting it designed and under construction is there anything that we can do as to help 00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:49.720 move that along you say individual parts of the ultimate like the braided or because it's 00:51:49.720 --> 00:51:54.120 a problem now right you don't wait five years because i got a i got a church and one of 00:51:54.120 --> 00:51:59.040 the lead ushers lives out there and i can't get to church without him telling me 15 minutes 00:51:59.040 --> 00:52:04.440 of trauma you know he's church supposed to be uplifting and i'm gonna have to deal with 00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:10.520 disgruntled people right yeah if there's anything that we can do currently in the in the process 00:52:10.520 --> 00:52:13.960 because the ultimate is great you got a lot of engineers in the room i should they're 00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:19.640 probably can answer something first time so it's an excellent question and one of the 00:52:19.640 --> 00:52:24.040 chief concerns that we have with that offering up there at 380 is is a lot of that stack 00:52:24.040 --> 00:52:29.280 up is that you have a significant amount of residential traffic combined with the commercial 00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:34.440 traffic trying to get to all the wonderful things that are happening right there so i 00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:39.160 know pre tam has been working with text dot as they develop the plan that john's talking 00:52:39.160 --> 00:52:44.280 about about putting in another braided ramp just north of that now then nothing's been 00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:48.920 finalized on that that's been very preliminary discussions but that ramp would drop off at 00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:54.640 windsor so that's something that we're in the process of working with text on that would 00:52:54.640 --> 00:52:59.200 separate some of this traffic so the folks that are trying to get to their homes that 00:52:59.200 --> 00:53:02.960 live off windsor they would have an alternative rather than getting off at university they 00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:07.560 could go past in the left-hand lane and then take the next ramp and the folks that are 00:53:07.560 --> 00:53:12.960 trying to get to sam's walmart whatever they're getting to they can exit right at university 00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:18.840 so that's one effort but it also plays into why we're pushing so hard to get bonnie bray 00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:28.320 complete is to have that alternative route for some of this traffic but we were also 00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:33.040 told that the intersection at 380 and bonnie bray isn't going to be improved and that's 00:53:33.040 --> 00:53:42.440 where the most congestion is so the intersection at 380 and the interstate do you say interstate 00:53:42.440 --> 00:53:47.000 or bonnie bray bonnie bray and 380 like you were saying we're pushing it to bonnie bray 00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:50.980 but that's already a congested area there and that's not it is it is something that 00:53:50.980 --> 00:53:55.200 we are looking at with both phase five of bonnie bray and phase six how do those two 00:53:55.200 --> 00:54:00.280 get adjusted to make that happen more effectively there are some things that will happen to 00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:05.280 do that now as far as getting extra lanes on university that's not in the cards but 00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:11.360 we are looking at how do you resolve that situation with some of the other items okay 00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:15.800 it's just a big deal yeah i guess you'll be interested in so when you talked about the 00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:22.720 overall concept for for dallas district in this northern part of the i would say north 00:54:22.720 --> 00:54:28.080 part of the lake you know from the lake north this is their number one problem in their 00:54:28.080 --> 00:54:35.080 district is the 35 e 35 w up to 288 trauma and so that's why they submitted it to the 00:54:35.080 --> 00:54:40.920 clear lanes and we think we got a pretty good shot at getting it so and what we can do then 00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:47.840 is once we get it designed if there's some ways to do some breakout jobs at that point 00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:54.280 we can maybe look at it that way i'd be very interested in seeing kind of a timeline of 00:54:54.280 --> 00:55:00.680 relief you know sure so people are frustrated we're going to put together a exhibit that 00:55:00.680 --> 00:55:07.520 shows the wishbone itself and then we'll highlight what we're thinking the plan is and then bring 00:55:07.520 --> 00:55:13.640 it back to you but if if there's nothing in the timeline that's feels soonish might want 00:55:13.640 --> 00:55:18.440 to think harder about that you know what parts of it could happen sooner than other parts 00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:24.840 well so you got it we got defined soon but i know you're not five years right so some 00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:28.400 of it will be felt when we do bonnie bray again that's why we're pushing bonnie bray 00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:34.440 so hard right now is that we can do something there where we have full control more or less 00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:41.440 till you get to right at 380 proper the interstate we have way less control over but we can still 00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:46.100 communicate i mean yes you know we're interfacing with the public and they just need to understand 00:55:46.100 --> 00:55:51.680 that we get it and you know text out we have conversations with them we have conversations 00:55:51.680 --> 00:55:54.800 with you you know yes we ought to be able to say something intelligible back and we'll 00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:59.600 put together i'll give you a sheet on it and give you the plan on it and we'll have the 00:55:59.600 --> 00:56:04.040 schematic that was in the ultimate so you'll have some information that you can just without 00:56:04.040 --> 00:56:10.200 having to just wing it but uh timeline of when things actually hit sure most important 00:56:10.200 --> 00:56:14.840 part all right i'm sorry i don't want to belabor it and and who's who's responsible for telling 00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:20.160 us 11 o'clock you know we turn to a pumpkin i just want to see if i can negotiate a little 00:56:20.160 --> 00:56:29.640 can we buy 10 minutes i mean yeah i think i think 10 minutes yeah so uh the other thing 00:56:29.640 --> 00:56:37.800 i do want to point out um this particular area panhandle which is i think right south 00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:44.800 here this is panhandle going in and this is currently under construction as well as this 00:56:44.800 --> 00:56:51.960 portion being connected here and one of the this will definitely add as a relief that 00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:57.240 people that really want to get off on this area that don't want to deal with the congestion 00:56:57.240 --> 00:57:03.000 can actually get off at panhandle and get off there are other connections that are being 00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:08.960 made and we're currently working on this signal yeah so once this great answer creates a little 00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:17.600 bit of natural relief so anyone that's backing off here will start getting shifted into the 00:57:17.600 --> 00:57:22.600 retail portion of razor ranch that definitely belongs on the timeline of relief yeah so 00:57:22.600 --> 00:57:28.200 the other thing i was going to suggest to request is uh just don't let the police enforce 00:57:28.200 --> 00:57:32.520 jumping off of the frontage road into the so we just drive over the dirt because every 00:57:32.520 --> 00:57:39.960 time i do that there's always cops over there and just like stop enforcing this help the 00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:46.760 area out a little bit just kidding i would never do that okay so 35 w main lanes this 00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:52.560 is the ultimate from basically the railroad track on 35 w all the way to the candle line 00:57:52.560 --> 00:58:00.760 it's a it's a six lane divided urban ultimate it's a six lane divided rural ultimate which 00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:05.280 means they'll have the wide medians and the wide parkways and the reason we're doing that 00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:10.000 is because the managed lane systems that's coming up out of fort worth we want to continue 00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:14.960 that at some point in the future when the policy and the paradigm comes back to its 00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:21.480 senses and recognize that managed lanes move traffic so if we develop it as a six lane 00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:26.820 rural we have a footprint that allow us to convert it to a managed lane project that 00:58:26.820 --> 00:58:32.160 project is essentially going through environmental clearance but we have that and i'll bring 00:58:32.160 --> 00:58:40.680 a sheet next time on your report from 1171 i guess that's about right here from 1171 00:58:40.680 --> 00:58:49.200 all the way to the railroad track uh tex dot is hired jacobs formerly i'll i'll go fast 00:58:49.200 --> 00:58:57.080 sorry uh because i have like seven minutes of concluding items so all right all right 00:58:57.080 --> 00:59:02.040 i'm done so we got jacobs on contract with tex dot to do the ps and e the construction 00:59:02.040 --> 00:59:09.920 plans for 35 w for the frontage roads from 1171 all the way to the railroad track just 00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:15.600 south of uh the split and that project is what the city of the county is working with 00:59:15.600 --> 00:59:21.360 tex dot to get funded so ultimately in the five to ten year period the city of denton 00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:30.120 has a significant frontage on 35 w because of your city limit lines that will be open 00:59:30.120 --> 00:59:34.600 for development because frontage roads create development so we're doing the frontage roads 00:59:34.600 --> 00:59:39.320 first and so although the schematic for the ultimate is just kind of moving on on its 00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:44.400 own we're pulled out the frontage road project and we have somebody doing the design on that 00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:48.960 to get it ready to go to construction in the next three to five years which will open up 00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:54.400 economic development on your southwest part of the county city 380 east the project is 00:59:54.400 --> 00:59:59.720 about 130 something million dollars it's ready to let in may of 2021 we're doing the ps and 00:59:59.720 --> 01:00:05.720 e which is construction documents and acquiring right away we have 95 there are 100 parcels 01:00:05.720 --> 01:00:10.560 95 have been made we don't have any an ed yet so i'll just keep updating you on that 01:00:10.560 --> 01:00:14.440 because the right away acquisition is the critical path on this item because we can't 01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:20.520 move the utilities until we get the right away acquired and the utilities are ubiquitous 01:00:20.520 --> 01:00:26.400 in this corridor so we got to get on that pretty quick luke 28 west we're talking about 01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:33.400 having it cleared um in about 18 months or so two years i don't know why it's taking 01:00:33.400 --> 01:00:39.440 so long but it's it is and then uh this is another project where text i was driving us 01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:45.080 to move on this we're anticipating it at a minimum doing the northbound frontage road 01:00:45.080 --> 01:00:49.760 first because it's on the inside which allows the city to attach its infrastructure to the 01:00:49.760 --> 01:00:57.160 ultimate configuration but we're not giving up on the total project as its cost once we 01:00:57.160 --> 01:01:05.600 get the project ready to let sometime in 2026 15 15 uh it's a 32 million dollar project 01:01:05.600 --> 01:01:12.960 we have ltr working on this the um the 60 schematic was submitted december 21st so we'll 01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:17.120 make sure i'm pretty certain they send that out to the city as well if not we're having 01:01:17.120 --> 01:01:22.360 our meeting i guess thursday or whatever we'll make sure you'll have it so y'all can make 01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:30.760 provide comments 1173 uh this is a project that uh is now in the mobility plan so garver 01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:34.460 can move forward with environmental clearance before they were just doing a feasibility 01:01:34.460 --> 01:01:38.760 study this county is going to write a letter to the state saying that they will fund this 01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:44.440 project as a local locally funded regionally significant corridor which will allow text 01:01:44.440 --> 01:01:48.740 dot to extend garver's contract to do the environmental document and the construction 01:01:48.740 --> 01:01:56.680 plans and that is it thank you do we have uh we're going to just blast through because 01:01:56.680 --> 01:02:01.880 we have three minutes thank you very much uh uh anything you want to say regarding item 01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:11.200 e staff report is that you um i know pre tam and others uh had some verbal updates uh the 01:02:11.200 --> 01:02:15.920 one only thing that i wanted to cover here on the acm update is the acm update section 01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:23.480 correct um on number number six dcta uh as you all know uh former counselor sarah bagheri 01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:30.040 is a new dcta board member representing denton uh she did attend their first their first 01:02:30.040 --> 01:02:35.400 board meeting in december uh they have an upcoming meeting uh in in january uh just 01:02:35.400 --> 01:02:40.920 in a dialogue between myself and her she'd asked for uh the opportunity to come to mobility 01:02:40.920 --> 01:02:45.040 at some point in the near future to get some feedback as to what are the the key areas 01:02:45.040 --> 01:02:51.340 that the city of denton mobility council would like to get give direction to her so she knows 01:02:51.340 --> 01:02:56.920 to represent the community in the best way so and really what mechanism would that be 01:02:56.920 --> 01:03:01.000 appropriate for you all would it be just her coming out some scheduled meeting in the near 01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:06.280 future and just do a verbal discussion with her about some of the key priorities or just 01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:15.120 some just be thinking about that so we can communicate that to her um quick one i do 01:03:15.120 --> 01:03:20.120 want to set up a walking tour i think we've asked several times i wanted to do it today 01:03:20.120 --> 01:03:25.720 but uh we're going to run short of time i do want to take a time and if c we can come 01:03:25.720 --> 01:03:31.760 over the time and date that we all can agree and be out of the square and just have a great 01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:38.840 agenda is the item and just have a quick walk for an hour so 01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:52.920 i don't have an issue um if you do that you can see what time we get out of here tonight 01:03:52.920 --> 01:04:07.440 um anything else are coming up concluding items and about 30 seconds yeah uh i have 01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:17.480 one where are we on ways ways um do you have an update or we can so um we are currently 01:04:17.480 --> 01:04:23.880 working as far as i know we're currently working on the software component integrating it with 01:04:23.880 --> 01:04:31.560 our it so we um we have come up with we want to make it in live update but we have come 01:04:31.560 --> 01:04:37.480 up with maps that are statically updated it's not live update so we're trying to get to 01:04:37.480 --> 01:04:42.800 a point where it's achieved to our software where we constantly update our system in our 01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:48.280 softwares where we have different types of software for different departments we're integrating 01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:54.160 that information the map that you saw was from different softwares being integrated 01:04:54.160 --> 01:04:57.840 and then connecting that to the live update so we're running into some of the issues 01:04:57.840 --> 01:05:04.240 technical issues of security what happens what kind of access they get what what type 01:05:04.240 --> 01:05:11.440 of information is pushed out so um we're working with it closely on that i think we had some 01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:16.400 sort of release date i think katie if you have anything more to add yes 01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:26.080 hi again i don't have the release date um but i know that we like you said we've been working 01:05:26.080 --> 01:05:30.800 with it to get our street segments from our construction report um into the format that 01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:36.560 could be consumed by ways um and i can follow up with more specifics once i get back to the 01:05:36.560 --> 01:05:42.000 office if y'all would like we'd love to know projected timing and then who who is on our side specifically 01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:49.200 um the liaison two ways so i know is there someone um so i know that uh program management 01:05:49.200 --> 01:05:54.560 office my boss hailey salazar is working with communications and coordination with technology 01:05:54.560 --> 01:06:02.880 services so i would say point of contact hailey salazar um and todd has so i know the initial 01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:08.560 planned work component so the items we knew that were going to go out to construction an initial 01:06:08.560 --> 01:06:12.960 push two ways has been there as matter of fact i'm looking at one of them right now you'll see 01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:18.560 segments of the roadway on ways that have a circle with a little white line on it so it's a red 01:06:18.560 --> 01:06:22.640 circle with a white line and if you click on it it'll tell you i'm looking at this one it's a 01:06:22.640 --> 01:06:28.320 water drainage improvement on spencer road so though some of those items are already starting 01:06:28.320 --> 01:06:33.280 to populate it's the more dynamic items that we're trying to get our arms wrapped around how we push 01:06:33.280 --> 01:06:39.280 but those planned items that we know are happening they are already populating on ways just uh i don't 01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:44.960 know if we have like a one-to-one relationship with them uh like we're we're actually negotiating 01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:53.040 but uh i'm i'm gonna close this close the meeting in the second year but i just want to reiterate 01:06:53.040 --> 01:07:00.320 my suggestion that we pursue a co-branded app i think it'd be awesome for den you know for our 01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:06.240 communication to just have that one thing to say and then that thing says that all this activity 01:07:06.240 --> 01:07:12.880 that's frustrating you as part of improving den i have to request that the hickory street options 01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:20.400 come before this committee uh really soon for the bike yes yes so our plan was to have an isr 01:07:21.520 --> 01:07:26.880 for this friday packet and then we can come back to city council that way we get enough background 01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:31.600 information i think it's been a year and a half or a couple years yeah i see all the work trucks 01:07:31.600 --> 01:07:36.640 there at that point and i'm like well we really need to figure out something fast yes so um and 01:07:36.640 --> 01:07:42.480 then the next just a timeline on east sherman um what the widening timeline is and what the 01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:48.320 improvements are going to be all in one section so that that's available for us as we come up to the 01:07:48.320 --> 01:07:55.600 items as they come to us for vote for so this is sherman at the loop yes and then east out on the 01:07:55.600 --> 01:08:02.000 north side yeah okay yep thank you that's a large thing uh okay anything else nope good okay i'm 01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:13.840 going to uh uh close our our meeting at 10.05 plus four minutes i mean 11.05 plus four minutes