Jan 08, 2019 Mobility Committee on 2019-01-08 10:00 AM

I'm just curious because I thought that during the work session this was brought to council and council kind of came to an agreement and so then I see that it's back at traffic safety and then back at mobility so I'm kind of just wondering about what happened with the process. So I think what it was is there was an ordinance for bike share and there was a specific mention about bike share. Right now we don't have, we've not tied up the scooter, the electric scooter per se as part of that ordinance so we're trying to make sure that we tie up any loose ends and make sure that our ordinance clearly specifies electric scooters so that in case there are any inquiries, in case there are any other businesses that want to come in. What had happened was when we brought this information to council, council clearly gave us direction to prohibit these types of vehicles per se on our rights away. It was just never codified in the ordinance so we've been working under the premise the council does not want this as vendors have come in, made requests of council in recent weeks about wanting to do business in the city. We've conveyed to them that's been council's direction to not permit these but now we're coming back to you with an ordinance to codify it and put it on the books. So that's why it's coming through this process is the actual ordinance itself. It's more procedural at this point because I know the council is on board. Yeah, I mean I'm interested in hearing what you'll have to share although just procedurally couldn't have gone from work session to ordinance like rather than going kind of back to committee for ordinance or. Well typically the rule of thumb that we've been playing, you're using is before an item comes before council if there's a whether it's a like a PB related matter or mobility related matter that goes through the respective committee and with just to give that one other sets of approvals to make sure it's vetted appropriately before it comes to council. So let's proceed. Good morning. My name's Mark Oliphant. I am your bicycle and pedestrian coordinator. I'm in the capital projects program and traffic engineering. So yes, we have discussed this in the past. I'm just going to give you a quick overview knowing that you have some background on this, but let's get right into it. So e scooters, they've become very popular I'd say in the last 18 months to two years here in the United States. They're available both as a shared use of vehicle and as individual vehicles on the left here. These are ones that are available on Amazon high quality electric scooters four to $500 very similar to what you would see in other cities such as Dallas that are being shared by various companies on the right is a spin shared scooter spin actually had last summer a deal with TWU to provide shared bikes and then they ended up pulling out because the demand for scooters was so high compared to bikes that they decided it wasn't worth it for them to stay in that business. Scooters share. I think we have discussed this in the past as a quick overview. It's like the bike share the parked various places throughout cities public rights of way parks and people check them out with their with an app on a smartphone about a dollar to check it out. There's a lot of positives about scooters that are incredibly popular. They're small. They take up a lot of space they're very energy efficient compared to using an automobile. If you think about parking that you can park a hundred scooters in the space of an automobile and in a number of different cities they've really taken off very popular. Now there are also some concerns especially safety where they'll be parked where they will be ridden things like that. Some headlines here I would say that the jury is still out about these scooters and safety. The CDC is actually right now working with Austin to analyze emergency room visits and things like that and see if this truly is a danger. Here are some other headlines concerning safety. So just an overview of what might be some of the safety concerns versus say a shared bike or something you have a very small diameter wheel it doesn't roll over obstacles like a larger diameter wheel you have a high center of gravity that is toward the front tight turning radius with the steering speeds that you can achieve 15 miles an hour is usually the motorized top speed but you can go faster down hills or something conflicts with pedestrians where you're riding depends and also mixing with vehicular traffic. So within the Texas Code yes sir. Before we go forward do you have a point of view or information contrasting the safety record of electric scooters versus electric power assisted bicycles? No I don't not at this time there really isn't good data yet although I'm looking forward to that CDC report and that should tell us give us some good information but there really isn't anything good right now. So municipalities they have the ability within the Texas Code to prohibit motor assisted scooters street highways or sidewalks and so this is this is up to individual municipalities to decide whether they want to do that or not. Other cities have done this specifically Fort Worth does not currently allow scooters inside of their inside of the city although other cities do and they've had various success with it. Currently our only prohibition is downtown in the square area where they're not allowed on sidewalks bicycles or scooters toy devices. So the city has a number of different options there really are good arguments to be made for allowing scooters but I think we're just not there yet both TWU and UNT have specifically stated that they're not ready to accept these. Now related is the bike share here in the city that is coming up for it's set to expire right now on 31 May and so the City Council will be looking at that again in the next few months to decide what to do do they want to continue that and so my suggestion to the Council is that we for now prohibit these scooters and we look at them as part of the renewal of the shared bicycle pilot program that we've had for this school year. So that is the recommendation of staff at this time yesterday we talked to the Traffic Safety Commission and they they did agree that now we're not ready to take scooters but in the future this may be a good idea for Denton and they would like to see further study. I'm in agreement with the recommendation. I think since there's a study being done I would like to also see the outcome of that when it pertains to injuries because I've read a few articles and you talked about them not going over well on bumps and I know that we're in a this year we're completing a lot of streets and redoing them and I don't know that they would be that safe right now on our streets anyway and also I've I just kind of glanced through and did a quick search and there are several cities Corpus, Atlanta they're they're looking at this and adding certain restrictions and I'm glad that we are taking time to get ahead of it and think about it before before it just kind of overtakes us. I know we're short on time but I was hoping for a YouTube video in this presentation. I'm hopeful that we'll learn more in parallel path about the electric power assisted bikes which seem to have all the pluses without the specific minuses associated with scooters. So I'm in support. I'm a little curious about whether there is such a thing that can be defined as like recreational use or around the neighborhood use. I'm bringing it up because a member of traffic safety brought the issue up to me. Not clear to me how you could define that differently but maybe you have some thoughts on that or maybe Councilmember Briggs does. You just made me think about something because there are electric scooters that kids do have and you know recently got as gifts for Christmas so it would banning them affect that in any way like I mean it becomes felons okay so this correct as as the ordinance stands currently it does ban all electric scooters from public rights of way so it would it would be both those that are from the shared companies and those owned by private individuals but so they've been still could ride in the street no no so public right away is meeting streets and sidewalks they can't really ride there but they they're more than welcome to ride in parks and places that there is appropriate okay so so because it's more of a recreational type of use that they're more than in their yards backyards wherever they want to ride that's fine but within public right of ways where there is more liability associated on the city side where our streets and sidewalk system is not ready at this point we want to make sure that we tie that in I think the other thing too that's always conflict is the fact when whether it's these providers you know these for-profit providers you know as far as when they're on the app when they are releasing liability of the company for injury I mean they're requiring you that user to have a helmet with them well the likelihood of a person wanting to just use just I think I'm just gonna go and try on this new vehicle per se who's gonna have a helmet versus potentially a kid that gets these scooters I'm not saying that in all cases but in some situations you would think in most situations if they have a parent they would want them to be wearing a helmet so there is a little bit of a difference and so I think having those in the parks again is sort of in a supervised environment not always but more likely to supervise an environment with the appropriate safety equipment whether it's helmet pads for the hands and knees just like they would if they're riding a bicycle could we put together some kind of a along the same timeline as the ordinance sort of a public communication of do's and don'ts where you can use them it never occurred to me until you said it that oh people could take them to parks you know we have many miles of trail you know so where can you use them and you know we suggest you use a helmet and you know yeah yeah I just I assumed that this was just about those companies and bringing them here and so that's a I appreciate you Councilman Councilmember Metzler saying that because then I was like wait my son is has a ten-year-old friend and rides it to our house with he has a you know a helmet on I just don't I don't yeah so that's not okay now okay thank you all right anything else on this item thank you very much let's move on to item C receive an updated report hold the discussion and provide direction on the metropolitan sorry miss something yeah okay so I'll articulate okay motion second all in favor okay now moving on everything I just said direction on the MTA excuse me MTP policy bundle a program in which applicants apply to receive transportation development credits good morning my name is Katie Welch and I work with the capital projects department and I'm going to be giving a status update on this North Central Texas Council of Governments policy bundle program we gave an initial report back in November of 2018 to this committee just going over some basics about the program and in the past month and a half we've gathered more information so have an update for you all I'm sorry for my sniffles I'm so I know we went over the program I just wanted to do a quick overview so basically North Central Texas Council of Governments has a list of 20 recommended transportation policies and if an entity adopts at least 50% of them so in this case 10 10 or more then we are eligible for transportation development credits and these credits basically offset the local match and federally funded transportation projects so they end up helping the city save some money on some of our transportation infrastructure projects and so yes didn't occur to me to ask this in advance do we know how many credits we would qualify for like what is it is it scaled in some way so each project when you submit a project going forward they have a bank of six hundred seven hundred million dollars worth of these credits and they apply to your project whatever that local match is that's needed for that particular project so it they can award it by project or they can award it by by a program and so typically with the way the city that submits projects if we would do this it would be our local match requirement per project so but you know would it wipe out all of our local match requirements for a period of time or so just like you'll get a prize so you don't know what it's going to be so remember that these credits are not real money they are if you've had a federal aid project and it's a hundred dollars and you get funded for it the feds will pay for $80 and you got to pay for 20 in this case if you earn these credits right or to be eligible to access those credits they'll simply apply those credits to your project and you can get a hundred dollar project for $80 you don't put anything in the trick is to build a hundred dollar project for $80 so that therein lies the rub so but what happens a lot of times is we negotiate with with the NPO to make it a hundred and twenty dollar project have the local match be offset by the credits and then we build a hundred dollar project for a hundred dollars so it can work out is as long as you're going into with your eyes open but but we do we have any idea so the region has a whole each because these these toll credits are back when we converted 190 and 121 and 360 all these roads to toll roads the federal government wanted those entities that were aggressive and using those tools to have some benefit other than just getting those roads built sooner and so basically they give you an allocation every five years or so to those areas that had toll roads that they they developed and I think the last time I remember seeing the number it was like 650 million dollars for the North Texas area and you can trade those to other MPOs but it's about 650 million dollars in credits and so they just allocate them by project to each of these entities only if you pass this policy bundle so if you qualify you can play and if you have projects that happen sooner you get you you get to submit the project and make the request to have your local match waived because you've earned these credits or the access to these credits and then the NPO at that point for that project will determine okay we're going to give you you know five million dollars in credits for this project and it'll show up yeah 80% the project is 120 the feds are putting in 100 the locals batch of 20 dollars is offset by their toll credits so how much you ultimately get depends on how much we build in the time frame while there's still money in the kitty I don't have the number on me but I can we can get it to you as follow-up they have examples of cities from last year how much they each got who applied so we can send that and follow up and I believe how many ever credits you get they're good for the year but in order to reuse them let's say in 2020 we'll have to reapply and just show so you have to show every year in order to use the same credits that you're still meeting all of the policies or the 50% okay so we can get that for you and then okay and then so we've got these policies I kind of went over this last time span I believe it's 12 different categories which I have listed up here related to transportation and last time after initial preliminary research we gave you categories that we thought the policies that we thought we were we were meeting that we are more than likely meeting and then the ones that we still need to do further research on today we've been able to classify them more specifically based on further research and coordination with Council of Governments and internal departments so we've got 12 policies that we've got confirmation that we're satisfying so that puts us over the 10 marks so we've got the the checks for 12 and then we've got five in the category that we're not meeting but are good for the city like you said last time they benefit the city or just good policy and then we've got three which I'll go over as well that we're still further researching and waiting on some answers back and forth so we'll go through these are the 12 that we are we've gotten confirmation from Council of Governments that we're meeting I can go into any any of them specifically if y'all have questions but these are the ones that we currently have policy for here at the city I did want to make one note on securing transportation infrastructure this one is one in which they would like local entities to give input onto what the top 10 regionally identified infrastructure infrastructure throughout the region are helping give input onto the top 10 and then helping come up with a plan on how to secure that for this policy as long as we state that we're willing to participate that in that with cog then we can get that credit so I did want to bring that that to y'all's attention and just make sure that that's something that we are wanting to participate in whether it's staff council I've got confirmation that Council of Governments will be setting up those sessions in the future to start getting cities input so they just want to know that we're willing to participate and would staff tend to sort of tee up a draft or you know some options that was my understanding staff coordination council coordination together helping to give input and identify regionally sound a regional regional structures so that's those 12 the next five are the ones that we're not currently satisfying but we have methods and steps in place that we'd like to take in order to meet the policies because they are good and benefit the city I did want to make a note on this first one idling restrictions we have a memorandum of agreement with TCEQ that basically states that were following the state law on idling restrictions however it expired on December 31st of 18 I've spoken with Catherine Barnett and sustainability and she's got it on her agenda to take that to in the environment committee on the environment and then council hopefully as a consent agenda item to get that back and renewed and that will actually be added to the first list so take us to 13 wasn't there a specific dent in city city then specific idling restriction as well well and it's related that is related to our fleet our fleet vehicles internally and so this particular policy with Council of Governments they're referring to any vehicle within the city public or fleet and so this memorandum of agreement states that we're doing that as well in addition to the the fleet city-owned fleet in our clean fleet ordinance be interested in policy options to yes if there's room beyond what the state requires you know that might be worth considering okay I'd love to know you know what those options might be okay and then the next one is parking management these are policies that are focused on reducing excess traffic circulation and they give some examples of what that what that could possibly be and I can go into those if y'all like but we've talked internally as staff as this being something we want to work toward I mean I'm interested would you like to hear more about parking management options today we can provide follow-up if you'd like with just more detail how about a little you know sort of isr to the committee and then you know tentatively put it on the agenda for the next time okay does that include zone parking I believe so they have a bunch of different options on what would qualify and so we can go through all of them if we do at least one we get the check but I know it's you know we want to do good policy yeah the check we're beyond the check we're beyond the check I just what you know it this is just inspiration for us totally interested in your you know your responses to this suggestion definitely okay the third one that we're not meeting but we would like to be meeting is complete streets policy and while we do have reference to this in our comprehensive plan they're looking for a citywide policy that states this and that we're going to be applying these type of initiatives to all future and past projects that we're that we're doing however we do have plans to include this in our mobility plan update so something that will be working towards the next one is wrong way driving we talked about this last time basically they want to see that the city's been making improvements some examples are improvements to help prevent wrong way driving examples including route markers wrong way reflective pavement air pavement arrows they provide a long comprehensive list I have it if you would like to see it I don't know if we have time today just curious to hear you know well I guess you're already telling us you think this is a good idea that we actually have wrong way driving occurring and that you know this like why wouldn't we address that if that if this problem exists right so yeah they have a lot a lot of comprehensive list of things they recommend to prevent wrong way driving to help curb it yeah these are these are all things that you know we can do keep our agenda full you know keep meeting each month some of these we are actually already doing it's a matter of putting it as a policy putting it as a part of our criteria manuals part of our mobility plans part of our different manuals that we use for traffic so it's not per se that we're not doing this it's more of making it formally known and formalizing it and I think part of the wrong way driving is more educational effort so chair a little bit of history back when this policy was initially adopted there was a very shorter list of policies and initially all of these policies started as incentives if you have these policy in place clean fleet then you can get extra points on your selection criteria and they slowly moved over to the stick that if you don't have the policy in place you can't even apply for the program and so when they put this into the last mobility plan for these TDCs the initial list had only those very difficult items that nobody wanted to do so in order to get it to pass the RTC they added stuff that everybody's doing already to make it a little bit easier to get across the threshold so you feel like you're halfway there and then the last one we have on here is the employer trip reduction strategies are we providing those as a city to both they're looking to see if we're providing them both to our employees you know strategies on how to carpool and reduce trips back and forth to work but also they're also interested in if we are providing those to new businesses that come new employers are we giving them educational pieces options on how to reduce trips carpool and so that's kind of the focus of that one they also ask I wanted to put this on here something called tryparkingit.com they recommend using this website kind of platform in our SharePoint internal SharePoint to track our employees side shares that may be another item as well later down the road we have time to get into it today but those are kind of what they're looking at to see if we're doing and recommending and then last three policies still looking into and gathering further research on still good policies for the city though regardless if we get the checkmark or not traffic incident management this is looking at do we have a citywide policy regarding traffic incident management are we tracking regional performance metrics and are we doing a major incident review process I did get confirmation from our fire department that they have all attended traffic incident management training which was one of the checks that we could have gotten to get the credit I'm waiting to get confirmation on that but there's also some good recommendations there past that that the cog is recommending land use strategies I know we talked about this last time they have a lot of different recommendations on policies in place and so I believe we have them in our debt in 2030 comprehensive plan it's just a matter of going through it and finding all of it and showcasing it to council government and then clean construction this is regarding whether or not we have clean construction standards within some of our contract language and so that's something that I'm still working internally to to determine if we are not back and forth with council of governments as well and then was there any questions on that past last one I have a little bit more detailed schedule than last time the early application deadline is due March 15th final application deadlines do April 15th they give that month buffer so that if we submit they can give feedback if there's something we're missing something we thought we were doing and not or vice versa so they'll give us feedback in that month period and then I was told by council of governments in July is when they typically will grant the transportation development credits and let us know how much we're going to receive and then in order to use those towards projects we have to go through the transportation improvement program modification process add the project to the transportation improvement plan in order to use the credits so that process I believe starts in August of 19 when we can submit our project but we can be looking into what projects were interested in before that and have that ready to go and that's what I have for you all is there any questions comments questions my suggestion I'm looking for you know confirmation from my colleagues here would be if there are items that are really just for show but that you know don't change any actual behavior I wouldn't put more time into it but but the items where we would really be potentially you know pursuing good new policies I would say you know schedule met into our agenda and let's do deeper dives on them as you're ready okay okay and that kind of one by one yeah so we can take them up as items just like scooters or anything else okay sounds good make sense yes thank you all for your time thank you and good to know that we're we qualify yeah I was very excited when I got the 12 all right so moving on to item D receive a report and hold the discussion regarding text on system projects in the Denton area to include the 35 express project and I have a request if we could take like one minute to just look at the big picture I'd love to hear you know your one minute version of what is the overall concept you know what are we like is it we I we go through the individual projects and and maybe it is just a list of individual projects but is there a sort of thing text out is aiming for is it that we're going to be ringed by six lane roads or you know what is the big picture it would help me if you could do it in one minute or less you want to do you want to put the map up so I'm gonna pull a map that's because then I'll understand each of the projects you know this can all understand them in the context of what we're trying to build to this message is there a concept good last mobility committee meeting in November this is what was presented and we were trying to overlay some of text up projects these are text up projects in red and then this also these three interchanges along with some of our internal projects that we're working on as far as CIP projects long term as well as some street reconstruct projects that are coming up so we're trying to build this big picture overview of how the city will be under construction with different projects and I think what council member chairs trying to get at is how does text dot look at it long term big picture their individual projects is there anything that they're looking at as far as a big map in the region or within the city limits and the county so I guess it's on now sorry about that so it's a conglomeration of efforts when we get in it's a conglomeration of efforts it's between the county the metropolitan planning organization the local communities but it's looking at regionally how do people move around the entire community as a network so the state obviously has some goals they have long-term goals are looking statewide how do they move people to and from and they've got projections on what they foresee their vehicular traffic looking like where do they move heavy freight where they move more the commuter traffic where those pinch points in the area but then they get into the conversation with us as frequently as possible either through the council of governments or through one-on-one meetings where we get a chance to talk about were the issues that we have associated commuter issues where we exchange items from people getting off the interstate to now they're getting on to the local roads or they're getting on to text dots less traveled highways even though we seem as very highly traveled so their goals and aims are depends on where they are and where they're getting some of the direction but most of it is very localized so so it's a it is kind of what it looks like it's a set of projects to relieve individual pinch points it's not that there's some master plan that we're their master plan it generally goes in line with whatever the MPO they're working around and with metropolitan planning organizations so if they're working with cog they're gonna they're lockstep with cog and what do you see as the long-term vision in the area so one of the major projects that we we've only really heard about and I know John knows more about it John bolster but it's the outer loop so we've heard the outer loop and what that is is if you look at the Dallas Fort Worth area as an overall transportation nexus a corridor that so many people come to and then leave a pass through it is the crossroads for a variety of destinations Houston Austin as well as east west El Paso to the west coast all the way through to Shreveport and back east with all of this coming together in one place that outer loop is designed to provide a faster way of getting people where they want to go so there are a variety of strategies but it's always this constant push of how do I keep up with the aging infrastructure that's always on tech starts mine but then as I'm upgrading the aging infrastructure and meeting the traffic volumes what does that need to be really the local municipalities the cog whoever they're working with in their localized areas they know better than say somebody in Austin they know general principles how much money they have where they're getting federal dollars but as far as was it actually look like what's the purpose that does become something that's that's worked out with the counties and the local offices the cities those have to be done together thanks for hearing me and explaining that sure let's use the remaining time do your deal you know I'm sorry I cast my brakes you had a comment like I just couldn't hear it I would just like like it if you could email the mobility committee that map that you just showed just so that we can have it on hand okay for people that ask okay to share with the public yeah it was in the previous so there we go sorry online so okay definitely share with the public all right so let me just pull the reports good morning again thanks for letting me come back I've been gone a little bit while I was gone it was most of the time I was in Austin working with our friends at the at the headquarters area on the April clear lanes project list that they're going to be putting out and one of the things that's not on this list that we'll talk about is the wishbone between 35w and 35e all the way up to 77 that's the project that there were two projects submitted in the Dallas district this project you know the frontage roads over I-30 in Rockwell County so we'll know it's a 420 million dollar ask on that first project and so we'll know more about that in April but that's why I was gone I wasn't on vacation not that it matters you'd be allowed to have vacation too I think I need you to get that to my wife then okay so what what we do here on this list is just kind of show you an overview of the projects that we are working on that are either under construction have contractors on or engineering working on and the total dollar amount of the infrastructure that's included in these project lists that we're doing so you see the order of magnitude on what your staff is working on with the various partners in order to achieve these projects and this one doesn't include the big wishbone project that we're talking about that we submitted for clear lanes yet so that would add another half a billion dollars to that project list so that's the good news we'll start right off with the bad news MCM and 2181 MCM is a contractor that we've had trouble with from day one they had five contracts in the state of Texas four of them were in Denton County and one of them was in Collin County and they are getting out of the construction business and so at the very end of I'll instruct the universe to hold 11 o'clock for a while so again this is a project that was awarded to MCM they are doing also the city of Denton's water and wastewater reconstruction as part of this project and that's you look at the text that report if you read the narratives mostly what they're doing is moving temporary pavement around to be able to do the water line and the city's utilities first and so that's what they've been working on and at the very end of 2018 I got a call from the district to let me know that the district was probably going to be submitting what they call a 10-day letter to MCM at the first of the year and a 10-day letter is the beginning of the late so a lot of times I'll do 10-day letters and they don't mean it and the contract ignores it they just move on but I was communicated by the district that this 10-day letter is a 10-day letter to get them to perform or they were going to begin the process of defaulting MCM on the contract if that's the case what happens is the bonding company is the state puts a claim on the bonding company terminates the contract with MCM and then goes to the bonding company to exercise their rights as a state to get the bonding company to come in and build 2181 for the price negotiated the problem with that is is that you spend about 10 to 12 months arguing with the bonding company about what has been expended what's been constructed what's remaining to be done and so if we go through that process there's a potential that 2181 would go idle for upwards of a year now we're working really hard to avoid that but MCM is not performing they're clearing out on all of their projects there's several of them that they just walked they started on FM 544 one of my projects in another area of the county at the same time that AGL started on 35 they're still not done they've only got half the road done on 544 and so there's issues related to this contract and I'm certain that I'll either get a question or comment but if not I'm going to move on all right so it gets better because we have no control over their contractors right you are correct all right move on but you can't make it as painful as possible yeah so they'll you know they're going to try to get it done as quickly as possible the district is committed to you know doing this as quickly as possible so I haven't heard I've been out of town what that result is but I'll get that to y'all probably the next day or so but that's what I was told at the very end of last year so your Fort Worth drive project this is a project that when I started working on this I didn't have any children and now I got one that just graduated from Texas Tech so the project was awarded to SEMA we awarded it in November we got through the nine or ten year process with UP and it took us between November and January 2nd to get UP to give us a permit to do the work they agreed to let us do in the original agreement so SEMA time has started January 2nd and they are out there doing the yard in the field set up and we will continue to have constant updates provided both to we have a technical I mean a on system Task Force meeting we do about every three weeks or so this will be on that list to update the city and any issues that come up we'll be able to bring the mobility committee as they come up but this project is finally under construction hallelujah and SEMA is a pretty decent contractor they did all the work for the 114 170 Parrish Lane work for the county back in the southern part of the county your I-35E Mayhill project this is a project that is fully funded at the forty six point two million dollars we are looking at a ready to let at the end of this year so about the time we start to see a little bit of relief on 288 we're gonna rip all this stuff out now now that you're seeing what 288 looks like the northbound side that's that 10 lane bridge Mayhill will be 12 underneath it because it's got six lanes of traffic coming to it instead of four so maybe it will actually be a far larger regional movement between the work that the city is doing on Mayhill to get up to 380 and the fact that 2499 hits 35 there that'll be a very large intersection for the city and that project's funded LTR is doing the design work so our environment we cleared and we're looking at a ready to let of December 2019 and there are there were got some other good news on this so there were 12 parcels that we thought we needed we're probably going to have a need additional parcels because I'm going to try to where did you do the zoom thing see on mine I just use my fingers so your staff pointed out the Mayhill okay so the 288 project does all the frontage roads southbound frontage roads and all in the permanent location in the Mayhill through near to 2181 all the frontage roads are on their their permanent location when we initially did the Mayhill job we stopped past the the ramp in the city brought this to us that we've got this least last little piece that's not part of the project from about here to the 288 intersection where it was just missed by all three projects and so what textile agreed to do since we have that 361 million dollars to apply to 35 is to go ahead and take LTRA contract and include the northbound frontage road all the way to the tie-in where the permanent frontage road terminates just south 288 on the northbound side so once we're done with Mayhill everything from just north of 288 to just south of Mayhill will be in its permanent position related to the infrastructure on the ultimate schematic so and because of that okay where am I where's the report so because of that it says right here textile anticipates addition of possible six or more parcels with the expanded project limit so as we go north to the towards 288 there may be some parcels we have to acquire there as well in their permanent configuration so good news is December 2019 should go into construction pretty close to that time frame it's fully funded once we're completed everything will be permanently in its permanent location related to the frontage roads that minimizes any improvements that we do in the future for the ultimate will be inside the right away footprint okay OHL and the I can't say that here the project that I love to love main point I want to make here is is that they're building the northbound main lanes now they're saying that in February they'll flip all the traffic up to those northbound lanes and start building the southbound main line so it was November then December was January in December now it's February in January it's like tomorrow right tomorrow never comes because it turns into the day but this time they really mean it I don't know can I quote you on that it's OHL they're headquartered out of Madrid so there's a lot of difficulty there but they have had some marine issues so it's only 80 percent their fault but anyway the completion date is saying July 2019 that's probably not the case we're renegotiating or redoing the schedule now and once we get that we'll provide the stamp and report and let you know what it is some clarification that the brinker underpass will not be complete is that what you're saying or just the so the highway part okay so once we the reason we can't put brinker under is because we have to build the main lanes there first and so that's the whole bridge structure for brinker has to be there in order for us to use brinker but in order to do that the whole bridge structure for 288 has to be there as well and so essentially that means that's a long way of saying yes the it won't open till right at the end of the project is when brinker scheduled to open according to OHL they're not going to open it early and we offer the money the county did the Buckees offered money but they are just not interested did they offer beaver nuggets i'll have to get back to you on that i'm not sure so 35 north this project has a schematic approval in january we had to make some changes because of a historical form in the northern area and keep in mind we need this project cleared because part of this project is part of our wishbone project because you will note 77 is right in here somewhere i think i think that's 7 1173 our project from the wishbone goes all the way from 35 w all the way to past 380 to it past 288 to 77 so we can tie 77 in with 1173 the way your city thoroughfare plan shows because if we don't do anything but just get past 380 all we're doing is moving the bottleneck further north we got to get past 77 so this project will be cleared by spring of next year which is in the same time we're going to hear about clear lanes on this wishbone project but part of this project is included in that wishbone ask i know we're running out of time but both of us we've heard plenty of complaints about the exit at 380 and i-35 and how it's worse than it's ever been and so i see both of those roads up here on this map now so if this is in the appropriate time but i remember i recall you mentioning it and saying something was going to happen but so what we were initially we're going to do is what we need to do to solve that problem is build what's in the ultimate which is your braided rent because what you have is you have at grade on ramps and off ramps in the same location and everybody's fighting to get on while everybody's trying to fighting to get off what the ultimate does is take those two to those two actions and separates them so the on has a bridge over and off goes under and they don't conflict but that just moves the problem to 380 and so we're going all the way to 77 with this next phase so yes that's included in this project and remember it's essentially environmentally cleared well it is environmentally cleared it's just a matter of getting it designed and under construction is there anything that we can do as to help move that along you say individual parts of the ultimate like the braided or because it's a problem now right you don't wait five years because i got a i got a church and one of the lead ushers lives out there and i can't get to church without him telling me 15 minutes of trauma you know he's church supposed to be uplifting and i'm gonna have to deal with disgruntled people right yeah if there's anything that we can do currently in the in the process because the ultimate is great you got a lot of engineers in the room i should they're probably can answer something first time so it's an excellent question and one of the chief concerns that we have with that offering up there at 380 is is a lot of that stack up is that you have a significant amount of residential traffic combined with the commercial traffic trying to get to all the wonderful things that are happening right there so i know pre tam has been working with text dot as they develop the plan that john's talking about about putting in another braided ramp just north of that now then nothing's been finalized on that that's been very preliminary discussions but that ramp would drop off at windsor so that's something that we're in the process of working with text on that would separate some of this traffic so the folks that are trying to get to their homes that live off windsor they would have an alternative rather than getting off at university they could go past in the left-hand lane and then take the next ramp and the folks that are trying to get to sam's walmart whatever they're getting to they can exit right at university so that's one effort but it also plays into why we're pushing so hard to get bonnie bray complete is to have that alternative route for some of this traffic but we were also told that the intersection at 380 and bonnie bray isn't going to be improved and that's where the most congestion is so the intersection at 380 and the interstate do you say interstate or bonnie bray bonnie bray and 380 like you were saying we're pushing it to bonnie bray but that's already a congested area there and that's not it is it is something that we are looking at with both phase five of bonnie bray and phase six how do those two get adjusted to make that happen more effectively there are some things that will happen to do that now as far as getting extra lanes on university that's not in the cards but we are looking at how do you resolve that situation with some of the other items okay it's just a big deal yeah i guess you'll be interested in so when you talked about the overall concept for for dallas district in this northern part of the i would say north part of the lake you know from the lake north this is their number one problem in their district is the 35 e 35 w up to 288 trauma and so that's why they submitted it to the clear lanes and we think we got a pretty good shot at getting it so and what we can do then is once we get it designed if there's some ways to do some breakout jobs at that point we can maybe look at it that way i'd be very interested in seeing kind of a timeline of relief you know sure so people are frustrated we're going to put together a exhibit that shows the wishbone itself and then we'll highlight what we're thinking the plan is and then bring it back to you but if if there's nothing in the timeline that's feels soonish might want to think harder about that you know what parts of it could happen sooner than other parts well so you got it we got defined soon but i know you're not five years right so some of it will be felt when we do bonnie bray again that's why we're pushing bonnie bray so hard right now is that we can do something there where we have full control more or less till you get to right at 380 proper the interstate we have way less control over but we can still communicate i mean yes you know we're interfacing with the public and they just need to understand that we get it and you know text out we have conversations with them we have conversations with you you know yes we ought to be able to say something intelligible back and we'll put together i'll give you a sheet on it and give you the plan on it and we'll have the schematic that was in the ultimate so you'll have some information that you can just without having to just wing it but uh timeline of when things actually hit sure most important part all right i'm sorry i don't want to belabor it and and who's who's responsible for telling us 11 o'clock you know we turn to a pumpkin i just want to see if i can negotiate a little can we buy 10 minutes i mean yeah i think i think 10 minutes yeah so uh the other thing i do want to point out um this particular area panhandle which is i think right south here this is panhandle going in and this is currently under construction as well as this portion being connected here and one of the this will definitely add as a relief that people that really want to get off on this area that don't want to deal with the congestion can actually get off at panhandle and get off there are other connections that are being made and we're currently working on this signal yeah so once this great answer creates a little bit of natural relief so anyone that's backing off here will start getting shifted into the retail portion of razor ranch that definitely belongs on the timeline of relief yeah so the other thing i was going to suggest to request is uh just don't let the police enforce jumping off of the frontage road into the so we just drive over the dirt because every time i do that there's always cops over there and just like stop enforcing this help the area out a little bit just kidding i would never do that okay so 35 w main lanes this is the ultimate from basically the railroad track on 35 w all the way to the candle line it's a it's a six lane divided urban ultimate it's a six lane divided rural ultimate which means they'll have the wide medians and the wide parkways and the reason we're doing that is because the managed lane systems that's coming up out of fort worth we want to continue that at some point in the future when the policy and the paradigm comes back to its senses and recognize that managed lanes move traffic so if we develop it as a six lane rural we have a footprint that allow us to convert it to a managed lane project that project is essentially going through environmental clearance but we have that and i'll bring a sheet next time on your report from 1171 i guess that's about right here from 1171 all the way to the railroad track uh tex dot is hired jacobs formerly i'll i'll go fast sorry uh because i have like seven minutes of concluding items so all right all right i'm done so we got jacobs on contract with tex dot to do the ps and e the construction plans for 35 w for the frontage roads from 1171 all the way to the railroad track just south of uh the split and that project is what the city of the county is working with tex dot to get funded so ultimately in the five to ten year period the city of denton has a significant frontage on 35 w because of your city limit lines that will be open for development because frontage roads create development so we're doing the frontage roads first and so although the schematic for the ultimate is just kind of moving on on its own we're pulled out the frontage road project and we have somebody doing the design on that to get it ready to go to construction in the next three to five years which will open up economic development on your southwest part of the county city 380 east the project is about 130 something million dollars it's ready to let in may of 2021 we're doing the ps and e which is construction documents and acquiring right away we have 95 there are 100 parcels 95 have been made we don't have any an ed yet so i'll just keep updating you on that because the right away acquisition is the critical path on this item because we can't move the utilities until we get the right away acquired and the utilities are ubiquitous in this corridor so we got to get on that pretty quick luke 28 west we're talking about having it cleared um in about 18 months or so two years i don't know why it's taking so long but it's it is and then uh this is another project where text i was driving us to move on this we're anticipating it at a minimum doing the northbound frontage road first because it's on the inside which allows the city to attach its infrastructure to the ultimate configuration but we're not giving up on the total project as its cost once we get the project ready to let sometime in 2026 15 15 uh it's a 32 million dollar project we have ltr working on this the um the 60 schematic was submitted december 21st so we'll make sure i'm pretty certain they send that out to the city as well if not we're having our meeting i guess thursday or whatever we'll make sure you'll have it so y'all can make provide comments 1173 uh this is a project that uh is now in the mobility plan so garver can move forward with environmental clearance before they were just doing a feasibility study this county is going to write a letter to the state saying that they will fund this project as a local locally funded regionally significant corridor which will allow text dot to extend garver's contract to do the environmental document and the construction plans and that is it thank you do we have uh we're going to just blast through because we have three minutes thank you very much uh uh anything you want to say regarding item e staff report is that you um i know pre tam and others uh had some verbal updates uh the one only thing that i wanted to cover here on the acm update is the acm update section correct um on number number six dcta uh as you all know uh former counselor sarah bagheri is a new dcta board member representing denton uh she did attend their first their first board meeting in december uh they have an upcoming meeting uh in in january uh just in a dialogue between myself and her she'd asked for uh the opportunity to come to mobility at some point in the near future to get some feedback as to what are the the key areas that the city of denton mobility council would like to get give direction to her so she knows to represent the community in the best way so and really what mechanism would that be appropriate for you all would it be just her coming out some scheduled meeting in the near future and just do a verbal discussion with her about some of the key priorities or just some just be thinking about that so we can communicate that to her um quick one i do want to set up a walking tour i think we've asked several times i wanted to do it today but uh we're going to run short of time i do want to take a time and if c we can come over the time and date that we all can agree and be out of the square and just have a great agenda is the item and just have a quick walk for an hour so i don't have an issue um if you do that you can see what time we get out of here tonight um anything else are coming up concluding items and about 30 seconds yeah uh i have one where are we on ways ways um do you have an update or we can so um we are currently working as far as i know we're currently working on the software component integrating it with our it so we um we have come up with we want to make it in live update but we have come up with maps that are statically updated it's not live update so we're trying to get to a point where it's achieved to our software where we constantly update our system in our softwares where we have different types of software for different departments we're integrating that information the map that you saw was from different softwares being integrated and then connecting that to the live update so we're running into some of the issues technical issues of security what happens what kind of access they get what what type of information is pushed out so um we're working with it closely on that i think we had some sort of release date i think katie if you have anything more to add yes hi again i don't have the release date um but i know that we like you said we've been working with it to get our street segments from our construction report um into the format that could be consumed by ways um and i can follow up with more specifics once i get back to the office if y'all would like we'd love to know projected timing and then who who is on our side specifically um the liaison two ways so i know is there someone um so i know that uh program management office my boss hailey salazar is working with communications and coordination with technology services so i would say point of contact hailey salazar um and todd has so i know the initial planned work component so the items we knew that were going to go out to construction an initial push two ways has been there as matter of fact i'm looking at one of them right now you'll see segments of the roadway on ways that have a circle with a little white line on it so it's a red circle with a white line and if you click on it it'll tell you i'm looking at this one it's a water drainage improvement on spencer road so though some of those items are already starting to populate it's the more dynamic items that we're trying to get our arms wrapped around how we push but those planned items that we know are happening they are already populating on ways just uh i don't know if we have like a one-to-one relationship with them uh like we're we're actually negotiating but uh i'm i'm gonna close this close the meeting in the second year but i just want to reiterate my suggestion that we pursue a co-branded app i think it'd be awesome for den you know for our communication to just have that one thing to say and then that thing says that all this activity that's frustrating you as part of improving den i have to request that the hickory street options come before this committee uh really soon for the bike yes yes so our plan was to have an isr for this friday packet and then we can come back to city council that way we get enough background information i think it's been a year and a half or a couple years yeah i see all the work trucks there at that point and i'm like well we really need to figure out something fast yes so um and then the next just a timeline on east sherman um what the widening timeline is and what the improvements are going to be all in one section so that that's available for us as we come up to the items as they come to us for vote for so this is sherman at the loop yes and then east out on the north side yeah okay yep thank you that's a large thing uh okay anything else nope good okay i'm going to uh uh close our our meeting at 10.05 plus four minutes i mean 11.05 plus four minutes