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 to establish a speed limit along the newly constructed section of FM 2499 from interstate

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 highway 35 southbound frontage road to FM 2181. The item that we're going to talk about

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 is FM 2499. I'm just pulling up the map together. But as most of you know that 2499, the segment

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 south of I-35E where it was state school for the longest time, it was state school road

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 was recently widened and there was a new connection established between I-35E and all the way down

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 to FM 2181. I think the city limit is Corinth at that point. So this is the new segment

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 I'm talking about. So this is the new segment between I-35E all the way to 2181 and I think

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 our city limit is somewhere in this area where it ends. So typically what happens is once

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 a segment, text dot segment for example, similar to FM 2181 currently under widening or 377,

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 any new street that is widened, the most recently completed was 380. I got that item in front

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 of commission a while ago. I think it was middle of last year that this portion of 380

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 was widened. And then text dot typically once they do that or install a new facility like

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 in this case, they do a speed survey. What they do is they go out and start counting

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 how fast are the cars going and what's the comfortable speed on which these are traveling.

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 Are they traveling at a speed higher than what was designed? I think typically all these

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 design speeds are around between 45 and 55 miles an hour, especially for these straight

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 FM roads. And they conducted a speed survey along this segment and initially they got

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 a report back to us for staff review at the city and they were recommending anything south

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 of Robinson be posted at 50 miles an hour. But when we looked at it, our main concerns

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 were there were several intersections, Hickory Creek and Special, and they were smaller.

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 I think Pine Hills comes in here. That's a smaller intersection. These are having some

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 serious concern about side distance. The turns and the horizontal and vertical curves are

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 so that vehicles cannot be seen when they're waiting at the intersection to get out onto

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 the main lanes. And currently one lane in the southbound direction on this particular

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 segment has been shut down by text dot because anyone that wants to get out cannot really

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 see any traffic that's coming southbound. So there have been a few accidents here. So

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 that one lane has been temporarily shut down until we widen Hickory Creek and then install

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 a signal. So that's the plan. It's in design currently. But based on all the accident statistics

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 and what we know about the area, we shot it back to text dot saying 50 miles an hour is

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 not going to work. We want it down to 45. Because south of this whole segment is 45.

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 North was 45. It didn't make any sense to have people speeding in people's backyards.

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 This is mostly residential. And we didn't want traffic, especially when you have access

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 points where people are going to slow down to be traveling at 50 miles an hour. So based

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 on that recommendation, they came back and they're now recommending 45 miles an hour

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 for the entire segment from 35 to FM 2181. And yes, we're part of that. We're currently

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 working on also fixing Hickory Creek, widening it and installing a signal. So that's happening.

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 This item pertains to the speed limit. Once we get a recommendation to move forward, we'll

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 take it to council. And once an ordinance is passed, we can actually go and post the

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 speed limit and enforce it. Currently we don't have any ordinances or anything to back us

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 up policy-wise to enforce any speed limits on this brand new piece of roadway. Any questions?

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 I drove it today and I was doing 50. We can't say that here. Well, there's no speed limit.

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 So I was talking to that and I was talking to Sergeant Briggs. He's one of our traffic

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 PD guy. And what he was mentioning is if a roadway technically does not have a speed

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 limit posted, they assume it to be 30 miles an hour because it's an unposted street. And

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 then they can actually take it. I was just having a discussion with him.

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 Lesson learned.

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 Yeah. So I'm like, yeah, I'm not going to do that. Go ahead. You had a question. Sorry.

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 Lesson learned. I was wondering about the lane that was closed. Would taking it to 40

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 help any of the accidents or any of the...

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 One of the things that we really walk a fine line is, as you mentioned, if people are doing

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 50 miles an hour and if we posted a 40, we run into risk of enforcement. We have to have,

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 it wouldn't really slow people down. It would be more a fan. How do you enforce something

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 that is not practical? Since 85% of your people are doing 45 miles an hour, then how do you

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 bring that many people down to 40 as opposed to being somewhere in the middle saying, "Okay,

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 45 miles is a comfortable speed limit. It is a speed limit that most of the streets

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 can be accessed in a safer manner." Then all of that is taken into picture. If we just

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 willy-nilly say that we're going to post 20 or 25 or 30, then it becomes a burden on

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 the officers on the enforcement aspect. Yes, no one's going to really adhere to it. If

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 you go south of this, there's 45. On the bridges, no one really goes 45. Everyone's 55 or 60

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 because there's no friction on the side. There's nothing on the side to tell you, "Yeah, you

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 need to slow down or you're entering an urban area." It looks like a highway. The side friction,

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 the type of uses, the interaction, the spacing of driveways, access points, all of that counts

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 into what kind of speed you define and what's comfortable for most of the drivers. I'm fine

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 with 45. Any other questions? 45, sounding good. We need to make a recommendation to

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 City Council. Does somebody want to make a recommendation that we send that suggestion

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 of 45 miles an hour to Council? I move that we do. Do we have a second? Second. 45 miles

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 an hour in this section, send it to City Council. Everyone in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed,

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 aye. Okay. Unanimous. All right. Perfect. All right. That gets us to 1C, which is TSC 19-003,

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 which is to receive a report, hold a discussion, and make recommendation to City Council regarding

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 the prohibition of electric scooters on city rights of way. Mark. Good evening, commissioners.

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 I'm Mark Oliphant. I'll be talking to you about this tonight. So electric scooters,

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 this is something just in the last, I'd say, 18 months to two years has really taken off

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 across the country. There are both electric scooter services, and they can be bought individually

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 and used by individuals, and I'm just going to talk about both aspects of e-scooters.

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 So here are some examples. On the right is a type that you find in the rental fleets.

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 This one's made by Spin, but you can also purchase very similar models individually.

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 On the left, these were available on Amazon and go for about $400 to $500. The scooters

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 typically go max out at about 15 miles an hour and are built for an adult. To talk about

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 the scooter share a little bit, it's like bike share. They're dropped off in cities,

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 put on sidewalks or different locations. People can come by with an app that's on their phone,

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 and they check out the scooter. Usually, it's about $1 to check it out, and then 25 cents

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 a minute or so beyond that. There are a lot of arguments that this is a good mobility

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 option for cities. It's simple, affordable, environmentally friendly, and the numbers do

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 pan out that it is very popular in many places, often 10 times more popular than bike share.

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 But there are a lot of concerns about safety, and that's something I'm going to talk about.

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 So these are headlines, just recent from different newspapers and so forth, leaving broken bones

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 and bruises, doctors seeing spikes and injuries, emergency rooms having specific data point

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 spikes from scooter injuries. These are two articles from the New York Times talking about

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 the same issues. There have been enough injuries, and they've been popular enough across the

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 country that the Centers for Disease Control is actually they're working with the City

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 of Austin to specifically look into all this. I know also, as I've talked to the police

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 department about these, they're very concerned about mixing young college students, alcohol

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 and scooters, and really see the potential for disaster. So here are just some of the

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 differences. You think, "Well, hey, what's so different from a bike share bike or something?"

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 Well, they have very small wheels, and so those don't go over bumps like a large wheel

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 on a bicycle does, not nearly as easily. The center of gravity is higher, and it's further

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 to the front than a bicycle. They have very squirrely steering or tight turning radiuses.

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 They can attain high speeds. Because of their smaller size, they often get used on sidewalks

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 as much as they would on streets. When they mix with vehicular traffic, people don't know

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 how to do that. Then also, they are so simple to use, you just stand on it, that a different

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 demographic of people uses them versus those who might already know how to use a bicycle

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 and be familiar with it and so forth. So these are just some of the reasons that we run into

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 these problems. Talking about what the regulatory landscape is for this, and Trey can correct

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 me if anything's wrong here, but under the state code, municipalities have the option

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 to prohibit these types of things. It's up to the municipality, so that's in the code.

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 Some things that other cities are doing right now, we don't have a regulation currently.

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 Many other cities have allowed these but they're also dealing with the fallout of the injuries

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 and so forth. Fort Worth is the prominent nearby city that does not allow scooters.

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 Has them banned under an ordinance. Now, just for a little bit of clarification, there is

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 a restriction currently just for the downtown area about bicycles and other toy devices

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 not being used on sidewalks, but otherwise there is no prohibition or anything. So the

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 policy options on it, right now there's not really any type of restrictions to your far

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 right there and your far left. You can have a prohibition and then there might be options

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 as far as dealing with scooter shares and so forth. There's something in between potentially.

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 Now this is a very important point I think is that because this is a college town with

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 lots of students around and so forth, I think it's important that the city be in harmony

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 with the universities or that they at least communicate and work together about this and

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 in talking to the universities, neither university at this time has said that they are ready

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 to deal with scooters. UNT actually has on the books, they prohibit motorized vehicles

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 inside of the campus other than mobility devices for ADA or something. And so that's a big

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 driver here too is the safety issues and then that the universities don't want them yet

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 because if we were to allow scooters in the city but not on the universities, it would

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 be very difficult to regulate that. And then also they're very new and cities are figuring

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 out how to regulate them, where they're best operated and everything like that. So from

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 the perspective of traffic engineering, from our perspective, at this time we feel that

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 Denton is not ready to accommodate electric scooters. We'd like to see some more research

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 about it, some more information about safety, you know, once the CDC does their report and

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 study and so forth. And perhaps in the future it could be accommodated but at this time

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 we don't feel that Denton is ready for that. And so that's our recommendation to the commission.

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 So are we coming in and preemptively putting in a ordinance to prevent Bird and these other

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 companies from coming in? I'd say it's close to preemptive but there have been more than

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 two inquiries from scooter share providers. So this is running in parallel to real world

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 actions. And I know in many cities they will just show up overnight and put the scooters

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 on your streets. And if you don't have something in place, you may not have a mechanism to

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 regulate it. So on the scooters, like on a bike, you would have like a light in the front

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 and a light in the back, which is required. Hopefully the shared scooters do have that.

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 I don't know if those individual ones that you buy from Amazon are equipped with that.

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 I know there's federal law that bicycles have to have reflectors, but that's not the same

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 case with scooters. So I don't know. Okay. So we don't have anything that says that they

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 would have to have some sort of reflector, reflective device so that people can see them.

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 Right. That is, that's not a requirement like it is for bicycles. And so do we, do we allow

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 scooters on the road? Cause my first thought would they be on a sidewalk? Trey, you want

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 to help me? Are they toy devices currently? I think it's a little murky how currently

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 they're being regulated. Trelien's for deputy city attorney. I am not the city prosecutor,

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 so this is not my area of expertise. It's my understanding that vehicles are, it would

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 be considered a motor vehicle because it is not self-propelled. It does have a motor that

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 propels it. However, because it travels 15 miles an hour or less, it could fall under

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 the toy device prohibition that we currently have that is only covers the sidewalks and

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 only in the downtown area. So if someone were to try to ride one on a public street, well,

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 they may, and again, this is not my area, but I would think that they might, would still

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 be questioned and possibly talked to about impeding traffic or something like that. But

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 I don't know that we have a strict prohibition right now that stops them from operating on

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 a street directly. And it's my understanding that council has looked at this and wants

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 us to kind of go with the universities for now. And the prohibition that's being proposed

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 is not against the companies and it's nothing, nothing against the businesses. It's against

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 the action of the scooters themselves.

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 Thanks.

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 And so I'm going to give a contrarian point of view. I taught my seven-year-old dad to

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 ride scooters in Tulsa a couple, a few days, two or three days ago, and we rode them over

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 to the park and rode them back. And I ride scooters all the time. Every city I go to,

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 they're a great form of transportation between areas. I've never found them particularly

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 dangerous. In fact, I find most of these cases to be, I find them to be blown out of proportion

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 because they're new. People find these injuries and I find every single thing that is being

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 brought up around scooters, I find happening with other things. Cars are more dangerous.

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 The streets we build are more dangerous. We block sidewalks ourselves. The city ends up

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 blocking sidewalks all the time. And so I found most of this just resistance to change.

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 Now I'm not saying that the CDC reports are going to be interesting because I know that

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 there have been cases of broken bones and things like that, and that's a real concern.

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 But I think scooters are perfect for a city like Dalai Lama because what we have is we

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 have these gaps in the core right between UNT and the square, and that's a perfect scooter

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 distance. It's a perfect scooter distance for somebody jumping off of the DCTA who travels

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 that and taking it to one of those campuses. Now the problem is our streets, not the scooters

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 right now, that our streets are too dangerous. And so one thing, an argument a lot of people

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 have made is these scooters, as they become part of the modes of transportation, are very

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 much operate like bikes and are going to force us to start taking, if more and more people

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 start using them, will force us to start taking, making safe spaces for bikes and scooters

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 and alternative forms of transportation. Most people in scooters are not dumb enough to

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 say I'm just going to take this thing on Bell. I ride them in cities all the time. No one

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 rides them on dangerous roads because they're dangerous. What they do is they do against

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 violation in every other city, is they go on the sidewalks. It's just like we do with

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 bikes too in this city where people perceive the threat to be too dangerous, which is not

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 a good solution. We obviously should fix that. So I'm just personally would be against banning

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 them and I think I would love to see more conversations about it because a lot, there's

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 a lot of college towns that are using scooters. In fact I've been to several in the area and

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 rode scooters around college campuses and they're great ways to get from point A to

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 point B and reduce time without having to jump in a car or a cab. So they really can

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 take traffic off of the road. So that's kind of the case for it. In areas like the square

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 where it's slower, it's just like a bike. It's easy to ride along the traffic. And they

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 don't go that fast. They go, I was riding a Lyme this weekend and it hit, topped out

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 at 15 miles per hour. So it's not like these are zooming at like 30 miles per hour or anything

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 like that. I would support the staff recommendation. They're gonna pass the ordinance tomorrow.

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 Or next Tuesday. I think we'll move that item, but yeah, it's pretty close. The feedback

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 we received from council is pretty straightforward. At this time, as you mentioned, we as a city

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 are not ready to look at legal liabilities, look at all the issues that are concerning.

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 Do we allow them on street versus sidewalk? All these questions need to be addressed.

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 And if some company shows up tomorrow morning, we're not prepared. That's why we're taking

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 this sort of preemptive strike and get this in place. And then yes, we can still continue

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 the conversation. It's not that we're against it. It has to have the right platform. It

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 has to have the right setup to make it happen, make a pilot program, think of different routes,

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 places that can be used. And then yeah, we'll continue looking into it. We're not completely

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 saying that the city will never look at scooters, but we have to set up ourselves both legally

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 as well as infrastructure wise to make that happen.

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 Let me ask a question. What further information would we need that's not already been tested

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 out in the hundreds of cities that they've been dropped off in already?

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 So as you mentioned, most of the cities are still struggling. Would we allow it on sidewalks?

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 And absolutely no. Sidewalk is not the right platform, at least from an engineering perspective,

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 to say that you have people walking and then you have someone zoom by at 10 or 15 miles

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 an hour. So that's an unsafe situation. Sidewalks also tend to have smaller lifts where those

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 tires get entangled and zoom off. So we're talking about the conditions of the sidewalk

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 at that point too. So it becomes a big liability issue. We're not ready to have them on the

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 sidewalks.

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 Now, are we ready on the streets? No, because we don't have the infrastructure. So we need

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 some time to figure out in the long-term plan, what are street segments, what are our big

00:22:56.440 --> 00:23:03.320
 picture mobility goals, and then slowly incorporate that. So it's not something that we want someone

00:23:03.320 --> 00:23:07.800
 else, some other entities forcing on the city, but we want it on our terms where we try and

00:23:07.800 --> 00:23:12.600
 test some of these. Of course, UNT and TW are big partners and we'll work with them

00:23:12.600 --> 00:23:15.120
 as they get ready.

00:23:15.120 --> 00:23:22.800
 If I could chime in. The city is currently in the test phase or the pilot program for

00:23:22.800 --> 00:23:29.360
 the bike share. And I know that the bike share provider that's currently permitted in the

00:23:29.360 --> 00:23:35.280
 city, they do also have a scooter program and that they are interested in educating

00:23:35.280 --> 00:23:45.080
 the city and the universities about it. So as an advocate for non-automobile modes of

00:23:45.080 --> 00:23:50.880
 transportation, it does pain me a little bit to say, "No, none of these." But I do see

00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:59.600
 that there is some logical arguments to be made for the city getting out in front of

00:23:59.600 --> 00:24:04.160
 this, saying we're not ready for it, the university and the city needs to get together

00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:10.140
 and talk about it, things like that. But I'm optimistic that there's a way that it can

00:24:10.140 --> 00:24:13.120
 be incorporated into the city before too long.

00:24:13.120 --> 00:24:19.320
 So is there, just from a policy and from a legal perspective, is a moratorium a softer

00:24:19.320 --> 00:24:25.360
 landing? Would that do what we want to do? Because banning sounds kind of, you know,

00:24:25.360 --> 00:24:32.480
 so if a city is, if a scooter company is looking at Denton and saying, we would like, oh, dang

00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:39.960
 it, there's a ban. Versus knowing that we have a moratorium while we are working through

00:24:39.960 --> 00:24:47.960
 a lot of kinks. Is there any difference between the two? Would a moratorium be a better solution

00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:50.600
 or what would we?

00:24:50.600 --> 00:24:54.360
 But what he mentioned is we're not banning any of the companies to come in, we're banning

00:24:54.360 --> 00:24:58.680
 more of their use. So we're open to getting them talking.

00:24:58.680 --> 00:25:00.680
 That's what I mean. No, you're not banning companies.

00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:01.680
 Yeah, I know, but we're open to-

00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:04.680
 But you know what I mean, right? Any somebody-

00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:07.960
 If they can't use their product, why would they be coming in?

00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:08.960
 Right.

00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:14.960
 But we're open to talking to them and we're open to making sure that we're on board with

00:25:14.960 --> 00:25:21.760
 UNT and TW as they go through the process of education and other pilot programs that

00:25:21.760 --> 00:25:27.320
 they're thinking about. So this, yeah, it sounds really bad to ban, but-

00:25:27.320 --> 00:25:34.440
 Yeah, it's harder to step back. So to unban something, do you have to go through more

00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:41.800
 procedural hoops than to say, okay, moratorium is over because we have answered our questions,

00:25:41.800 --> 00:25:46.840
 we've fixed our problems and now we're ready to entertain a company coming in?

00:25:46.840 --> 00:25:52.040
 I think the way that this is set up isn't like that though. The way that it's been proposed

00:25:52.040 --> 00:25:59.560
 is that it would be a city ordinance prohibiting the action of riding the scooter on the city

00:25:59.560 --> 00:26:07.880
 street or the sidewalk. So it's not really so much a set up as a temporary whatever.

00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:13.320
 It's just like any other of our criminal type statutes, it's something that you can receive

00:26:13.320 --> 00:26:19.160
 a ticket for and receive a fine for. And then once it's decided that we've got a new plan

00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:23.280
 in place, we would come back through the same steps we're taking now to change that ordinance

00:26:23.280 --> 00:26:28.760
 and would probably change to be putting in where you could ride a scooter. So there aren't

00:26:28.760 --> 00:26:30.640
 any additional steps or anything like that on that.

00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:31.640
 Okay.

00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:36.080
 I think the process will be same. It won't be a long lengthen out. It's not like, well,

00:26:36.080 --> 00:26:41.560
 once a ban is placed, you can't go back. It's not that. It's more of, okay, now that we

00:26:41.560 --> 00:26:45.800
 know what we can do, we can start adding to the ordinance saying we're amending that ordinance

00:26:45.800 --> 00:26:51.600
 to allow usage on these routes or allow usage in this area. That's all we're doing.

00:26:51.600 --> 00:26:55.480
 Oh, so it could be geographic. You could tie it to geography if you want to.

00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:56.480
 Exactly.

00:26:56.480 --> 00:27:00.200
 Because I realize that this also affects people who do go on Amazon and buy themselves a cute

00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:01.200
 little scooter.

00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:07.040
 Well, and my understanding is that the companies can also restrict where the scooters go, right?

00:27:07.040 --> 00:27:11.040
 Because they can put like red zones on it. And so they could actually put the campuses.

00:27:11.040 --> 00:27:14.520
 So what students would do is ride them up to the campus, drop them off on the edge of

00:27:14.520 --> 00:27:20.520
 campus there. But they can also do it outside of the core to me. I guess one thing I'd say,

00:27:20.520 --> 00:27:24.400
 I've just seen these drop. It is chaos everywhere they get dropped. I've seen it when I've been

00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:30.720
 in cities when it happens. But it just settles in and either the city, you know, either bans

00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:34.400
 it or they keep it. And now it's just kind of a normal part of it. And I go to Oklahoma

00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:38.560
 City a lot. And every time I'm up there, I ride them all over the place, six, seven miles

00:27:38.560 --> 00:27:42.960
 every time I go. And they're, I just really enjoy them and see people riding them all

00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:47.200
 over the place. And it's made a lot of places more accessible. I'm just I guess the thing

00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:50.520
 that's unclear to me, I mean, I think sidewalks are banned. I think they're banned. I've never

00:27:50.520 --> 00:27:55.520
 seen a city where sidewalks aren't banned. It's so to me, I'm just unclear the things

00:27:55.520 --> 00:27:59.320
 that we have to clarify. They're available in the streets. And I mean, it would make

00:27:59.320 --> 00:28:04.200
 sense that they're available in the core. Like to me, I guess I'm just unclear how much

00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:08.080
 more research is needed for that. Seeing them dropped in other places. And people aren't

00:28:08.080 --> 00:28:13.560
 going to ride these out, you know, across 35 and stuff like that. So people generally

00:28:13.560 --> 00:28:19.240
 keep them only two places where they're rideable anyway. I guess I'm unclear. So what do we

00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:24.360
 what more research would we need to do if if they're banned on sidewalks in almost every

00:28:24.360 --> 00:28:29.560
 city and we kind of know that we just need to restrict we need to do research on which

00:28:29.560 --> 00:28:35.160
 streets they're allowed on? We need to work with the UNTNT. There are main users. I mean,

00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:41.280
 city is such we have one or two locations that they would even work in. But since UNTNT

00:28:41.280 --> 00:28:46.420
 that they are not on board, we'll wait and work through them to set a pilot program similar

00:28:46.420 --> 00:28:51.040
 to a bike share and see what areas work. And then once that happens, we'll bring in another

00:28:51.040 --> 00:28:56.020
 ordinance in agreement with UNT, similar to the bike share, through council saying, yeah,

00:28:56.020 --> 00:28:59.760
 these are the areas that we've decided to move forward. So it's more working by and

00:28:59.760 --> 00:29:03.440
 from those universities. Exactly. It's more working with them. Do you know the contact

00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:14.560
 is at UNT? Yes. Yeah, Dr. Clark, he would be the the top of the pyramid. Yeah. And then

00:29:14.560 --> 00:29:22.840
 I think Christopher Phelps. Clark and who? Christopher Phelps. Okay. And they're, what's

00:29:22.840 --> 00:29:32.640
 their capacity? I don't know. He's very happy. Yeah. Something up there. Christopher Phelps,

00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:42.840
 I think he's the director of transportation. Yep. Okay. You're on it. I want to say also,

00:29:42.840 --> 00:29:49.280
 I mean, we're thinking about the universities. What about high school students? Wouldn't

00:29:49.280 --> 00:29:53.440
 that be something that they might want to utilize if you if you're a high school student

00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:57.880
 and you don't want your mom to drive you to school and you don't have a car? Wouldn't

00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:04.120
 that be an option for liability issues? Most of the apps and the companies that I'm aware

00:30:04.120 --> 00:30:10.080
 of do limit them to users 18 and over. Now I know from being in cities with scooters

00:30:10.080 --> 00:30:15.360
 available that's not the case and kids either their parents download it or they get a parent's

00:30:15.360 --> 00:30:20.640
 credit card or something. But typically from a legal standpoint, you're supposed to be

00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:27.400
 18 and over to use them. But so that's if you that's if you're well, I'm sorry. Right.

00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:34.200
 So that's if you're using a shared a shared service. Otherwise, right, anyone could order

00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:38.960
 one from Amazon and their child could use it. I'm never I mean, honestly, I've never

00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:45.720
 seen anybody right in line. But I've actually seen one or two in town since Christmas. I

00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:51.520
 think we're right on the end of it. Yeah. Like three fourths up the dart. I've never

00:30:51.520 --> 00:30:56.280
 seen him make them all the way up here from Dallas. They're Dallas. They're all they're

00:30:56.280 --> 00:31:01.440
 all over Dallas. I write them when I go down there too. Yeah. What position is this going

00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:13.520
 to put the kid that got one for Christmas in? Because I see him in neighborhoods, you

00:31:13.520 --> 00:31:22.320
 know, sometimes rarely past that neighborhood. I think that we've already seen the bike dump

00:31:22.320 --> 00:31:29.160
 in Denton. And I think this is their the council's opportunity to try to get ahead of of the

00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:38.120
 scooter dump. Yes. And we are getting inquiries about from companies about what's the policy

00:31:38.120 --> 00:31:44.360
 with what does Denton's board? What do we need to do to get there? So we are getting

00:31:44.360 --> 00:31:50.960
 inquiries from quite a few firms. And I think council in one of their bike share work sessions,

00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:57.600
 the last one we did clearly stated that they want to not go that route the way we did with

00:31:57.600 --> 00:32:02.480
 bike share. So they want to do a preemptive and say, we want to do this and then figure

00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:09.400
 out our steps and move slowly. So I agree. Yes. And I know this is just off the top of

00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:15.520
 my head, but I know it in Stillwater at Oklahoma State University, they had a ban. We made

00:32:15.520 --> 00:32:20.720
 an agreement with the company and then reopen them on campus with a specific provider. Because

00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:26.520
 once they come in, it's correct. They just drop drop them in. And now I like it. But

00:32:26.520 --> 00:32:32.080
 I understand some of the concerns with it. But so there's a lot of precedents for cities

00:32:32.080 --> 00:32:36.560
 working through it and coming up with solutions. I've actually heard too, it's a selling point

00:32:36.560 --> 00:32:40.240
 for some university. Oh, absolutely. Incoming freshmen tell me, hey, we got scooters on

00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:45.640
 campus. And it's I would argue it's gonna be a huge economic boon because it will get

00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:49.320
 people traveling locally instead of jumping in their cars to go somewhere they may jump

00:32:49.320 --> 00:32:53.600
 on a scooter and go to the square as opposed to jumping in a car and going to, you know,

00:32:53.600 --> 00:33:02.960
 a chain that doesn't bring as much local dollars. Can this be passed with the recommendation

00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:12.240
 to mobility that this be looked into seriously for future planning? Yeah, we're definitely

00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:18.320
 going to work with the UN with the campuses. So definitely, we are going to be on this.

00:33:18.320 --> 00:33:23.160
 It's just a matter of how we rolled it out as as one of the universities getting ready,

00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:29.640
 then we'll work with them definitely. I personally wouldn't want to be on one on these streets,

00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:41.280
 much less the sidewalks. Okay, so we need to make a recommendation. Somebody have a recommendation?

00:33:41.280 --> 00:33:56.680
 I will move that we accept the staff recommendation to ban scooters, the use of the scooters until

00:33:56.680 --> 00:34:03.440
 can give the city council an opportunity to to look at this a little further. Okay, we

00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:16.800
 do a second. I'll second. Okay. So everyone in favor of proceeding with the ban? Aye.

00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:24.000
 Aye. Opposed? Aye. Okay. And I just want to qualify and say that, you know, I'm a reticent

00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:30.600
 yay vote, because I think we need I think we need to have the discussion. And I'm hoping

00:34:30.600 --> 00:34:38.280
 that the ban does not then you know, you know, push potential companies from exploring Denton,

00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:43.720
 and that we don't say, Okay, that's done. Because I think they have a place. I would

00:34:43.720 --> 00:34:51.440
 agree. I'm willing to go with this. I agree with that sentiment and with Mark's that as

00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:58.000
 an active transportation advocate, it pains to make that kind of vote. But I've also been

00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:02.520
 following this issue for a while. And there's a lot of people, particularly with the ride

00:35:02.520 --> 00:35:08.680
 shares that just do not have the skills when they first get on one. And you can go on YouTube

00:35:08.680 --> 00:35:14.800
 and find all kinds of accidents. And head injuries are some of the big things that are

00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:21.780
 coming out of this. And for somebody to survive a head injury and the impairments that can

00:35:21.780 --> 00:35:28.000
 follow from that. I just don't think scooters safely operating on our streets at this point

00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:34.760
 is viable. I would like to see it though. You know, happen. It's just that our streets

00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:44.840
 are so bad. Yeah. And with those small wheels, you know, it's hard to navigate. The one thing

00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:50.800
 I'd point out is riders are aware, trusted, like when you ride them on a bad street, you

00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:54.400
 get off the street because it is, I mean, you can't take big bumps and stuff like that.

00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:58.600
 So like if I was riding them, I wouldn't ride down Hickory. I would ride down Mulberry, which

00:35:58.600 --> 00:36:03.440
 has bumps, but you can go around them. They're not nearly as bad. Yeah. I mean, I agree it's

00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:07.760
 a concern. I just think it's, it's something that like there's, there's a little bit of

00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:11.640
 a danger to it. And if people ride them irresponsibly, there's more of a danger. It's just like a,

00:36:11.640 --> 00:36:15.200
 it's almost like a motorcycle in that sense that there's more of a danger. And I just,

00:36:15.200 --> 00:36:20.580
 I'm not sure that we can stop that. You know, if they come in, like, I think that risk is

00:36:20.580 --> 00:36:25.260
 always going to be part of it. And you hope people learn to be responsible, but training

00:36:25.260 --> 00:36:30.440
 a whole city how to do it is I think beyond what we can do. I'm sensitive to it. I just

00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:35.360
 don't know. I think the best thing we can do is build better bike lanes. Scooters can

00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:41.340
 ride in. So let's get, let's, let's move that up the agenda. Yeah. And it wouldn't be perfect

00:36:41.340 --> 00:36:48.040
 for downtown. Yeah. And Melissa's suggestion or comment about are there lights and reflectors

00:36:48.040 --> 00:36:52.000
 on them. That could be something that if a company is looking at Denton, I think they

00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:56.240
 do all, I think all the companies have, have little front lights and back. Yeah. It's just

00:36:56.240 --> 00:37:00.160
 the personal ones that may not the people, but all the company ones have pretty bright

00:37:00.160 --> 00:37:10.360
 lights on them. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. And moving on to one D TSC 19 dash zero zero

00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:16.160
 four, which is to receive a report and hold discussion regarding the U S three 80 street

00:37:16.160 --> 00:37:24.280
 lighting feasibility and photometric study. Pretend. All right. Good evening again. Uh,

00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:29.040
 I know, uh, I think there were a couple of meetings ago, there was some discussion about

00:37:29.040 --> 00:37:36.680
 safety and concerns on safety and, um, somehow we landed, um, lighting and this is something

00:37:36.680 --> 00:37:44.100
 I really wanted to bang forward. This, uh, item that was presented to council recently

00:37:44.100 --> 00:37:50.140
 a couple of them, I think a month ago, um, last December, uh, council meeting, we talked

00:37:50.140 --> 00:37:57.280
 about street lighting. So quickly what happened, as I mentioned earlier in the previous item

00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:04.760
 that I talked about, uh, three 80 was widened between, uh, I 35, um, actually west of five

00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:12.260
 35 all the way through town and up until, um, U S 77 Locust and home. And it was widened

00:38:12.260 --> 00:38:16.880
 into a six lane facility. Typically when tech stock goes through that process, they don't

00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:22.460
 really focus on street lighting, no matter what section they don't pay for street lighting.

00:38:22.460 --> 00:38:26.920
 They don't design street lighting. If the city wants it, city has to design it. City

00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:32.600
 has to cough up the puns. So that's their policy. Currently you can see all the new

00:38:32.600 --> 00:38:39.840
 ones, three 77 21 81 and even the 24 99 that would just opened up. None of them have street

00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:46.880
 lights. Moving forward, things may change and we may see a big change from tech stop,

00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:52.700
 but right now that's not going to happen. So once the road was opened up, council started

00:38:52.700 --> 00:38:58.220
 receiving, um, and, and so did staff. We started receiving a bunch of, um, concerns, complaints

00:38:58.220 --> 00:39:04.880
 about how dark it is with the six lane facility. It's super dark. There are a bunch of driveways.

00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:10.100
 You don't see people getting out of the driveway, just jumps in front of you. And then, uh, other

00:39:10.100 --> 00:39:16.480
 than the intersections, um, all along the segment on three 80, it's completely dark.

00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:22.520
 So council asked staff to look at what are the conditions, what's happening between,

00:39:22.520 --> 00:39:28.780
 um, I 35 all the way to the other side of Louv, Mayhill. So I 35 in Mayhill, it's a

00:39:28.780 --> 00:39:35.260
 five point four mile stretch. It's quite some, quite a long segment. So we hired a consultant.

00:39:35.260 --> 00:39:41.800
 What they did is look at what are the current lighting levels, what are, what is required,

00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:48.920
 what type size, different types of street lights, what is required and then what, what

00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:55.180
 is the cost estimate going to be for lighting up the entire corridor? So we, we couldn't

00:39:55.180 --> 00:40:03.120
 do the survey of the entire stretch. It's 5.4 miles. So we picked two, um, pretty different,

00:40:03.120 --> 00:40:07.740
 uh, unique characteristics, but then they, those two segments pretty much cover the whole

00:40:07.740 --> 00:40:12.700
 corridor. So the first segment is about a hundred feet wide. It's in the commercial

00:40:12.700 --> 00:40:18.580
 area between Bonnie Bray and I 35. This is right in front of a razor ranch. They looked

00:40:18.580 --> 00:40:24.220
 at this particular segment. They studied it, collected data and everything. Then they also

00:40:24.220 --> 00:40:29.860
 picked another segment, which is a combination of commercial and residential between Carol

00:40:29.860 --> 00:40:36.580
 and Bell. This is part, portion of it is a TWU. There are some houses here. There's a

00:40:36.580 --> 00:40:41.940
 retail on this side. So these two characteristic segments were picked. This one is a little

00:40:41.940 --> 00:40:48.180
 bit less wider. It's 80 feet wide. Uh, the commercial one was a hundred and then they

00:40:48.180 --> 00:40:55.140
 studied the existing conditions. So existing condition pretty much, there was no consistent

00:40:55.140 --> 00:41:03.340
 lighting. Anything, anything in blue is dark. Anything with the red is bright. So you can

00:41:03.340 --> 00:41:09.460
 see everything is dark along the segment and there is barely any lighting. There's no lighting

00:41:09.460 --> 00:41:15.420
 under the bridges on the loop. Um, there are some lights on the existing roadway network

00:41:15.420 --> 00:41:21.420
 that are not working. They're really, uh, older lights. It's high pressure sodium lights,

00:41:21.420 --> 00:41:26.740
 which are, uh, which generate a yellow hue. And then there are two 50 Watts, but pretty

00:41:26.740 --> 00:41:33.280
 low wattage for, for the width and the side of the street. And then the height is variable.

00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:38.180
 The mast arms, the length of the arm that's projected out. It's also variable. Some of

00:41:38.180 --> 00:41:43.260
 them are really small. Some of them are long. So fairly inconsistent lighting throughout

00:41:43.260 --> 00:41:48.700
 the corridor. What are the standards? So in order to meet the continuous illumination

00:41:48.700 --> 00:41:57.060
 standards for a commercial area, it's 1.6 foot candles average per text out standards.

00:41:57.060 --> 00:42:04.140
 We're meeting 0.22. It's so poor. Same thing. If you go with a commercial residential, which

00:42:04.140 --> 00:42:11.500
 is a combination, the second segment, you have to be at least one point, excuse me,

00:42:11.500 --> 00:42:20.680
 have to be at least 1.2. We're at 0.29. So if you look at some of these numbers, I mean,

00:42:20.680 --> 00:42:29.420
 it's pretty clear that there's no, um, continuous lighting. So what is required? They have proposed

00:42:29.420 --> 00:42:36.460
 a 400 watt bulb, which is an led. It doesn't take as much as, uh, energy that's required

00:42:36.460 --> 00:42:41.940
 for the sodium, high pressure sodium light. It's LED, so it's efficient. Uh, a 400 foot

00:42:41.940 --> 00:42:47.540
 at a 40 feet height with a mast arm, which projected out into the street for 12 feet.

00:42:47.540 --> 00:42:53.280
 And then for the commercial section, the spacing is 175 is recommended. And for the commercial

00:42:53.280 --> 00:43:01.500
 and residential makes is 275 spacing. With that, we can achieve some of these averages

00:43:01.500 --> 00:43:09.380
 above the minimum standards. So we're getting into 1.84 and 1.79. So this is what was recommended

00:43:09.380 --> 00:43:14.940
 by the, based on the design. Now, if you look at the whole stretch, it goes from a blue,

00:43:14.940 --> 00:43:21.740
 which is completely dark zero to an acceptable. If you look at the foot candles around here,

00:43:21.740 --> 00:43:29.220
 1.5 and 1.8 is what we're running closer to. So that's the, that's the 1.84 and 1.79 that

00:43:29.220 --> 00:43:35.180
 we're hitting throughout the corridor. Similarly, this is the other segment between Carol and

00:43:35.180 --> 00:43:41.900
 Bell. You see there's, uh, around the commercial area, you get a lot more. And then along the

00:43:41.900 --> 00:43:47.620
 residential and the campus area, it's a lot consistent. That means you'll continually

00:43:47.620 --> 00:43:56.020
 see the light, um, without hitting any dark spots. So this is another way of looking at

00:43:56.020 --> 00:44:04.340
 it. This is all dark. This is completely brightened up, just the same segment. Now, um, what is

00:44:04.340 --> 00:44:12.460
 the, at what cost? So the total cost for lighting up the 5.4 miles is a little over $5 million.

00:44:12.460 --> 00:44:20.260
 It's five and a quarter. So that's the cost that we took to council there, um, where we're

00:44:20.260 --> 00:44:26.180
 lighting up the commercial section is going to be that long and then the rest of it is

00:44:26.180 --> 00:44:35.960
 going to be, um, excuse me, combination residential and commercial. We were told by council to

00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:41.900
 move forward. This is our tentative, um, schedule. If we move forward, they've asked us to look

00:44:41.900 --> 00:44:51.900
 into design and how we can start funding, at least get the design going. Excuse me.

00:44:51.900 --> 00:44:57.500
 So design is about six months and the cost is going to be half a million dollars. And

00:44:57.500 --> 00:45:04.940
 then we will, after that, look for cost for constructing or implementing the lighting.

00:45:04.940 --> 00:45:12.900
 Excuse me. There are options that we looked at. How can we fund this in bits and pieces?

00:45:12.900 --> 00:45:19.060
 There are several, for example, this particular area needs it more, especially it's a lot

00:45:19.060 --> 00:45:23.780
 more commercial, a lot more driveways, a lot of businesses and interaction. I think even

00:45:23.780 --> 00:45:30.740
 there are some pedestrians at this level. Same thing around Elm and Locust by the Kroger.

00:45:30.740 --> 00:45:35.940
 There's a lot of activity pedestrians. So we looked at different options. Phase one

00:45:35.940 --> 00:45:46.660
 is going to 1.2 million, phase two a half a million. So we made it out for council as

00:45:46.660 --> 00:45:54.980
 to, you know, different options and different things, um, along this corridor. We'll take

00:45:54.980 --> 00:45:59.260
 it back once the design is complete. We're going to design the whole thing and we'll

00:45:59.260 --> 00:46:04.420
 take it back for council which phases, or you want to fund the whole thing, what we

00:46:04.420 --> 00:46:11.500
 want to do. But this is the direction that we're going to move forward. Just to think

00:46:11.500 --> 00:46:17.520
 about project city, we're currently working on Bonnie Bray Mayhill and Hickory Creek West.

00:46:17.520 --> 00:46:22.860
 We are going to start implementing street lights as part of these projects. So on city

00:46:22.860 --> 00:46:28.540
 projects you will start seeing street lights, but on other tech stop major corridors we

00:46:28.540 --> 00:46:35.900
 don't have that. So as I mentioned we don't have anything on 2499, 377, or 2981. And this

00:46:35.900 --> 00:46:41.500
 is the, these are the ballpark numbers for funding some of those projects depending on

00:46:41.500 --> 00:46:49.420
 their length. And so this is a bigger item I think needs to go to council for discussion

00:46:49.420 --> 00:46:55.580
 of how we're going to fund it. But as far as adding safety, I mean a little bit of light

00:46:55.580 --> 00:47:00.140
 adds a ton of safety, especially if you can see that one person that's in the crosswalk

00:47:00.140 --> 00:47:08.300
 that's crossing at night time. It does a lot. I mean even one person is way more than whatever

00:47:08.300 --> 00:47:15.540
 numbers you can put here. So that's, eventually our goal is to get there. Right now we've

00:47:15.540 --> 00:47:21.740
 started with quarter 380, evaluated it. We're definitely incorporating lighting as part

00:47:21.740 --> 00:47:30.100
 of our, all of our city projects. And then also on top of these we've identified intersections

00:47:30.100 --> 00:47:37.780
 that need to be upgraded. The ones that were brought up in that meeting, Hickory and Carroll.

00:47:37.780 --> 00:47:42.580
 So yes we're moving in the right direction at least from the safety perspective. Any

00:47:42.580 --> 00:47:45.100
 questions particularly on 380? Yes?

00:47:45.100 --> 00:47:53.180
 What's the accidents and pedestrians, people being hit and all that, or the police stuff?

00:47:53.180 --> 00:47:59.580
 So there is a component that they looked at the accident, I don't have the exact numbers

00:47:59.580 --> 00:48:07.380
 on top of my head, but I think the accidents that are happening at the, how do you say,

00:48:07.380 --> 00:48:15.380
 at night time are not as that many compared to or as high, how do you say, in comparison

00:48:15.380 --> 00:48:21.140
 to the total activity of collisions, not a whole lot of percentages in the night time.

00:48:21.140 --> 00:48:28.220
 But yes we've started receiving complaining, complaints that if there is better lighting

00:48:28.220 --> 00:48:34.480
 it makes a better intersection and people will feel more safer. It's more of a safety

00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:40.380
 from people's perspective than the collision data. So yes, I mean there is some, I can

00:48:40.380 --> 00:48:42.180
 give you the collision numbers but.

00:48:42.180 --> 00:48:48.060
 Well do you think, do you think you need more light where there's more growth, raise a ranch,

00:48:48.060 --> 00:48:51.100
 you know all that, that segment?

00:48:51.100 --> 00:49:00.580
 Yes definitely. We're no longer a small community, we are growing into an urban environment and

00:49:00.580 --> 00:49:05.900
 where I used to be before, majority of the urban corridors, like all the FM's, they

00:49:05.900 --> 00:49:12.060
 need to be lit up. Especially when a driver is driving or entering an urban environment,

00:49:12.060 --> 00:49:17.180
 the strain on his eyes is taken off if you have ambient lighting in the back, so he's

00:49:17.180 --> 00:49:23.300
 not too focused. And I think that should be, moving forward that should be our goal is

00:49:23.300 --> 00:49:30.340
 all the major highways in the city and a lot of these arterials and collectors need to

00:49:30.340 --> 00:49:36.780
 be looked at in a different perspective, get them lighted, get the strain out of drivers.

00:49:36.780 --> 00:49:42.100
 I understand that residential streets can remain at lower lighting levels and not so

00:49:42.100 --> 00:49:49.740
 much lighted up in someone's backyard or front yard, but all these arterials that actually

00:49:49.740 --> 00:49:56.580
 are designed to deliver vehicles and people from one place to the other, those need to

00:49:56.580 --> 00:50:01.300
 be lighted up, especially in the urban environment. Given that some of our street has 40,000,

00:50:01.300 --> 00:50:07.220
 50,000 vehicles a day loop and 380, we need to light them up.

00:50:07.220 --> 00:50:15.460
 I would agree, I was at McKinney in the loop during the holiday break and I remember watching

00:50:15.460 --> 00:50:21.300
 these two women cross the loop at that intersection and I was like how does anybody even see them?

00:50:21.300 --> 00:50:27.340
 See them, yes. Now I think that would be part of our McKinney project, we are definitely

00:50:27.340 --> 00:50:32.980
 designing that right now. So we're going to widen all the way from loop to the east end

00:50:32.980 --> 00:50:37.660
 of McKinney, Grissom, I think.

00:50:37.660 --> 00:50:43.940
 To clarify, was phase two, so did you say Hickory and Bell, it's along those streets

00:50:43.940 --> 00:50:45.280
 or between them?

00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:47.940
 It's along 380.

00:50:47.940 --> 00:50:54.140
 But all the intersections will be upgraded, so they'll get extra lighting.

00:50:54.140 --> 00:51:06.220
 I know for phase two you could use better lighting from T.W. over toward Carroll, that's

00:51:06.220 --> 00:51:11.180
 pretty dark and there's a lot of student traffic there.

00:51:11.180 --> 00:51:16.500
 I think one of our focus and we're working closely with T.W. and their master plan is

00:51:16.500 --> 00:51:26.560
 to get that area just north of 380 where they have that parking, this area.

00:51:26.560 --> 00:51:28.380
 That parking lot, yes.

00:51:28.380 --> 00:51:34.860
 So particularly from Riddell all the way to Bell, get this, there is a sidewalk on the

00:51:34.860 --> 00:51:41.260
 south side very poorly lit and a lot of students don't really use that at night because it's

00:51:41.260 --> 00:51:48.100
 that poorly lit and that's one of our goals is how can we light it up so that it becomes

00:51:48.100 --> 00:51:54.920
 a better point or access for pedestrians, but at the same time I think T.W. is looking

00:51:54.920 --> 00:51:58.300
 into punching another access here, they're thinking of it.

00:51:58.300 --> 00:52:03.420
 What's the sidewalk look, is the sidewalk have anything between it and 380 or is it

00:52:03.420 --> 00:52:04.420
 right along that?

00:52:04.420 --> 00:52:05.420
 No, it's right on the edge.

00:52:05.420 --> 00:52:07.820
 Oh, well, you're not going to feel safe no matter what.

00:52:07.820 --> 00:52:12.100
 That's where it runs me like, you know, stay.

00:52:12.100 --> 00:52:13.100
 Yeah.

00:52:13.100 --> 00:52:20.740
 I mean, if you go away from the bridge, this is fine, but when you get to the bridge, I

00:52:20.740 --> 00:52:30.740
 mean, there's no, it's constrained, but then it gets better here.

00:52:30.740 --> 00:52:35.820
 But still no like trees or anything behind, so you're just exposed psychologically.

00:52:35.820 --> 00:52:40.140
 I think that's pretty hard to walk along roads like that.

00:52:40.140 --> 00:52:48.300
 And you do have a lot of traffic, north and south on Bell, foot traffic and bicycle traffic.

00:52:48.300 --> 00:52:49.300
 Yes.

00:52:49.300 --> 00:52:50.900
 Because there's a lot of people that walk toward.

00:52:50.900 --> 00:52:57.100
 So in the interim, we are going to add lighting to that intersection particularly, so that

00:52:57.100 --> 00:52:59.100
 we don't wait for this phase two to go in.

00:52:59.100 --> 00:53:04.420
 We're just going to go in and upgrade the lighting at that intersection as far as the

00:53:04.420 --> 00:53:06.220
 crosswalks being lit up.

00:53:06.220 --> 00:53:17.020
 I think there's a couple of locations where it doesn't have an arm going up.

00:53:17.020 --> 00:53:23.620
 So I think this corner can definitely, there can be definitely an arm going this way to

00:53:23.620 --> 00:53:29.700
 light it up, either both ways actually, so that they have enough.

00:53:29.700 --> 00:53:36.820
 And then there's some overhead issues, but there's a light on this pole that they recently

00:53:36.820 --> 00:53:37.820
 installed.

00:53:37.820 --> 00:53:42.900
 I'm glad you have evidence of a cyclist there.

00:53:42.900 --> 00:53:47.500
 Depending on what view you're looking at, it's hilarious.

00:53:47.500 --> 00:53:55.140
 We'll always see the cyclist when we see that car and we don't see the cyclist again.

00:53:55.140 --> 00:53:56.140
 There he is.

00:53:56.140 --> 00:53:57.140
 He's made it almost.

00:53:57.140 --> 00:54:04.260
 So when we're talking about a 40 foot height on street lamps, how is that determined?

00:54:04.260 --> 00:54:12.860
 Okay, so that light that I'm looking at, TWU, the fancy light, on my left, how tall is that

00:54:12.860 --> 00:54:13.860
 light?

00:54:13.860 --> 00:54:19.140
 I believe it's somewhere between 20 and 25 feet.

00:54:19.140 --> 00:54:25.500
 This is between 30, I think this is about 30 feet, so it will be a little bit higher

00:54:25.500 --> 00:54:32.380
 than that, but then what happens is it gets diffused and it covers a larger area.

00:54:32.380 --> 00:54:38.660
 So that's the whole intent of going higher is that's more of how much can you spread

00:54:38.660 --> 00:54:47.380
 the same amount of light, and that's why you get an overlap in this.

00:54:47.380 --> 00:54:52.060
 So that's why you get that overlap at that height.

00:54:52.060 --> 00:54:58.780
 If you don't go at that height, then this area that is covered by each of this light

00:54:58.780 --> 00:55:02.660
 will reduce, so that's why.

00:55:02.660 --> 00:55:13.180
 And then they are spaced, so the spacing is 167, let me see exactly how much.

00:55:13.180 --> 00:55:21.500
 So 175 and 275 is between on one side of the street, so this is 175 or 275 and then 175.

00:55:21.500 --> 00:55:29.640
 So they are crossed out, so they are alternately spaced, that way you have...

00:55:29.640 --> 00:55:36.820
 And is the city looking at specific lighting that would follow with the dark skies idea?

00:55:36.820 --> 00:55:40.860
 Are they going to be fully hooded?

00:55:40.860 --> 00:55:45.860
 So on these, yeah, they don't shine up to the sky, they're only focused on the street.

00:55:45.860 --> 00:55:54.860
 So they completely are forced to just, the light should only fall on the surface, not

00:55:54.860 --> 00:55:56.260
 even ambient on the side.

00:55:56.260 --> 00:56:01.380
 So there are places that they can be hooded, especially neighborhoods.

00:56:01.380 --> 00:56:06.140
 Some of these highways go behind someone's houses, so we make sure, like we installed

00:56:06.140 --> 00:56:10.500
 some new lighting at Robinson and 2499, the intersection.

00:56:10.500 --> 00:56:14.340
 We got some complaints initially and we had to hood some of the certain areas so that

00:56:14.340 --> 00:56:16.140
 it didn't reflect back in their backyard.

00:56:16.140 --> 00:56:17.140
 So yes.

00:56:17.140 --> 00:56:23.820
 Have you looked at the new lights that they're trialing on, Stewart and Bell?

00:56:23.820 --> 00:56:29.780
 Yes, so DME is trying out new lights and they need feedback, so any feedback from...

00:56:29.780 --> 00:56:31.820
 Okay, how are they different?

00:56:31.820 --> 00:56:37.140
 They're different levels from yellow to white, that's the easiest way to put it.

00:56:37.140 --> 00:56:38.140
 What type of light do you like?

00:56:38.140 --> 00:56:42.900
 Do you like on the yellow side or a little bit over the lighter side or the blue white?

00:56:42.900 --> 00:56:49.940
 It's how they define the Kelvin, 4,000 Kelvins are the white and then you get into 12,000

00:56:49.940 --> 00:56:55.340
 is the whitest, like a blue white almost, and then the rating goes down to, if you're

00:56:55.340 --> 00:57:00.740
 yellow, it's low, 1,000, 2,000 Kelvin.

00:57:00.740 --> 00:57:07.700
 I'm really interested in, obviously, lots of light, but only where it needs to be.

00:57:07.700 --> 00:57:14.700
 And I was even looking in the city of Austin development code to see if there were guidelines

00:57:14.700 --> 00:57:16.660
 because it's a little crazy.

00:57:16.660 --> 00:57:22.060
 You could just barely, barely in the outskirts of Austin and you practically cannot see the

00:57:22.060 --> 00:57:31.780
 city because of the lighting design, but when you're in Austin, it's extremely well lit,

00:57:31.780 --> 00:57:34.880
 but you're just barely outside and it disappears.

00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:38.860
 I think we should shoot for that.

00:57:38.860 --> 00:57:45.060
 It's going to be hard with Fort Worth and Dallas right there, but I like that idea.

00:57:45.060 --> 00:57:52.900
 Go down to Dripping Springs, it's a dark skies city.

00:57:52.900 --> 00:57:59.020
 I think this item is just informational, so if you have any questions, let me know.

00:57:59.020 --> 00:58:03.800
 But I want to make sure you're aware that we're moving forward with some of the safety

00:58:03.800 --> 00:58:08.700
 enhancements that are much needed for the city.

00:58:08.700 --> 00:58:10.740
 I think some of that needs to also extend.

00:58:10.740 --> 00:58:16.100
 I know right now we're looking at the major thoroughfares, but some of that needs to extend

00:58:16.100 --> 00:58:18.460
 into our older neighborhoods.

00:58:18.460 --> 00:58:20.340
 Yes, the arterials, yes.

00:58:20.340 --> 00:58:26.980
 I was walking down Linden the other day and didn't realize how much space there was between

00:58:26.980 --> 00:58:27.980
 lights.

00:58:27.980 --> 00:58:31.700
 It's a pretty wide street.

00:58:31.700 --> 00:58:36.420
 It's a wide street, people drive fast.

00:58:36.420 --> 00:58:40.620
 Anybody else have anything on this?

00:58:40.620 --> 00:58:41.700
 Thank you, Preetam.

00:58:41.700 --> 00:58:50.940
 That will move us on to 1E TSC 19-005, which is to receive a report and hold discussion

00:58:50.940 --> 00:58:56.460
 regarding Texas Department of Transportation on system projects in the Denton area to include

00:58:56.460 --> 00:58:59.260
 the 35 Express project.

00:58:59.260 --> 00:59:02.180
 Good evening.

00:59:02.180 --> 00:59:05.420
 I'm Tracy Beck with the transportation division.

00:59:05.420 --> 00:59:08.740
 And tonight, as you introduced, we're going to be talking a little bit about just one

00:59:08.740 --> 00:59:15.460
 of the projects, which is the I-35E project near Loop 288 Brinker and Mayhill.

00:59:15.460 --> 00:59:20.500
 Getting regular updates, we have a group called Innovative Transportation Solutions.

00:59:20.500 --> 00:59:21.900
 We may have worked with them before.

00:59:21.900 --> 00:59:22.900
 You may have worked with them before.

00:59:22.900 --> 00:59:26.660
 I've worked with them a lot, worked for them for one point in time.

00:59:26.660 --> 00:59:30.260
 And they provide some updates, and this is the current one that they've got is provided

00:59:30.260 --> 00:59:32.500
 in your packet.

00:59:32.500 --> 00:59:34.460
 They're running a little bit behind schedule.

00:59:34.460 --> 00:59:39.860
 They provide a month-to-month update and starting as of right now, they were looking to do a

00:59:39.860 --> 00:59:40.860
 lane switch.

00:59:40.860 --> 00:59:45.300
 But as it turned out, that lane switch is going to be postponed until next month, the

00:59:45.300 --> 00:59:49.380
 first week of February, second week of February, when the traffic switch is expected.

00:59:49.380 --> 00:59:53.940
 And this is for that I-35 project, giving you a little bit of background.

00:59:53.940 --> 00:59:57.900
 The plans were actually completed in August of 2016.

00:59:57.900 --> 01:00:03.620
 The letting date for that construction was in September of '22 with some utility relocations

01:00:03.620 --> 01:00:09.140
 handled in July of 2016, September 22nd in 2016, excuse me.

01:00:09.140 --> 01:00:11.660
 Let me correct all those dates.

01:00:11.660 --> 01:00:15.900
 I'm foggy in my head this evening, so I'll start all over again.

01:00:15.900 --> 01:00:19.700
 The plans were completed in August of 2016.

01:00:19.700 --> 01:00:24.980
 The environmental clearance was in May of 2016, and oops, excuse me.

01:00:24.980 --> 01:00:27.940
 >> Sorry, I just want to bring a map so that people know.

01:00:27.940 --> 01:00:30.460
 >> Oh, that'll be great while I step aside.

01:00:30.460 --> 01:00:33.140
 The right-of-way acquisition was done in July.

01:00:33.140 --> 01:00:36.860
 The 100% plans were done in August, so that was about three years ago, two and a half

01:00:36.860 --> 01:00:38.780
 years ago.

01:00:38.780 --> 01:00:42.420
 The complete date is July of 2019.

01:00:42.420 --> 01:00:46.120
 So we're just around the corner from that, but I do believe that that date has changed

01:00:46.120 --> 01:00:50.620
 a smidge because of the weather that we've had.

01:00:50.620 --> 01:00:56.580
 What they're referring to is the entire project had 442 working days, which is about 17 months

01:00:56.580 --> 01:00:59.260
 of work, so it's been moving quite quickly.

01:00:59.260 --> 01:01:05.540
 They're in what they're calling the phase one of step two configuration, and they believe

01:01:05.540 --> 01:01:09.140
 that this current phase that we're driving in right now is going to maintain until the

01:01:09.140 --> 01:01:13.300
 2019, February 2019.

01:01:13.300 --> 01:01:22.020
 They're working with OHL, the contractor, to expedite the brinker portion of the project.

01:01:22.020 --> 01:01:30.380
 And the funding for information is about $2.1 million for this project.

01:01:30.380 --> 01:01:35.420
 The activities that they're working on right now, the high needed project activities are

01:01:35.420 --> 01:01:41.340
 more of the walls that you see at loop 288 and 35.

01:01:41.340 --> 01:01:44.000
 What they're going to be proposing to work on in the next month, you're going to see

01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:47.820
 more of the work along the temporary shoring along the brinker road.

01:01:47.820 --> 01:01:58.660
 They have a wall construction that they're going to be building.

01:01:58.660 --> 01:02:08.500
 Checking for anything more valuable for tonight.

01:02:08.500 --> 01:02:10.280
 That's going to apologize for the silence.

01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:15.020
 That's going to complete pretty much the update, is that we're just within about a month from

01:02:15.020 --> 01:02:20.180
 seeing some traffic switching and probably about summers when they anticipate to be completed

01:02:20.180 --> 01:02:22.020
 for that project.

01:02:22.020 --> 01:02:26.300
 I drug that out for a long time, mumbling through some dates.

01:02:26.300 --> 01:02:28.060
 I appreciate your patience with that.

01:02:28.060 --> 01:02:31.740
 I read them out of order thinking that that wasn't the order I planned on.

01:02:31.740 --> 01:02:35.100
 So just a quick backup as to why we're presenting this.

01:02:35.100 --> 01:02:43.260
 There was a request from commission and members about what is going on with the 35th project,

01:02:43.260 --> 01:02:48.820
 how long is it going to go, what's the status, and what do we expect.

01:02:48.820 --> 01:02:51.660
 So there are three interchanges they're working on.

01:02:51.660 --> 01:02:53.700
 They're done with the Mayhill.

01:02:53.700 --> 01:02:59.380
 All it was was they were going to put a U-turn in there on the southbound direction at Texas

01:02:59.380 --> 01:03:04.140
 U under the bridge at Mayhill in state school.

01:03:04.140 --> 01:03:09.780
 The second, the remaining two are, one is the interchange at Brinker.

01:03:09.780 --> 01:03:15.020
 That's a connection to the Buckeyes, and then the other one is Loop 288 upgrading the whole

01:03:15.020 --> 01:03:16.540
 interchange.

01:03:16.540 --> 01:03:25.420
 So what Tracy presented was a quick schedule of where they're at, and they're not going

01:03:25.420 --> 01:03:27.300
 to be done until July.

01:03:27.300 --> 01:03:33.500
 July is what they're telling us, but it's not probably, it's going to move on all the

01:03:33.500 --> 01:03:36.340
 way to towards the end of fall.

01:03:36.340 --> 01:03:39.340
 That's what we're thinking, realistically.

01:03:39.340 --> 01:03:45.540
 But I think they're going to shift the northbound traffic to the northbound side of the bridges.

01:03:45.540 --> 01:03:53.060
 So Loop 288 on the closer to the mall side, and then Brinker closer to the city side,

01:03:53.060 --> 01:04:00.100
 not the Buckeyes side, is both of those bridge segments are getting ready to be completed.

01:04:00.100 --> 01:04:06.020
 And from a traffic perspective, once those new lanes are open, that will relieve a lot

01:04:06.020 --> 01:04:07.500
 of congestion and traffic.

01:04:07.500 --> 01:04:12.100
 Right now we're really working off of the old infrastructure, but once the new is in

01:04:12.100 --> 01:04:19.060
 place and you have a go over, I think it's, traffic is going to be much better once the

01:04:19.060 --> 01:04:20.060
 switch happens.

01:04:20.060 --> 01:04:21.060
 I think it's February.

01:04:21.060 --> 01:04:22.060
 February.

01:04:22.060 --> 01:04:24.060
 It was supposed to have been this week, actually.

01:04:24.060 --> 01:04:27.460
 The information that we got in was a little bit dated, and they said it's switching the

01:04:27.460 --> 01:04:28.460
 second week.

01:04:28.460 --> 01:04:31.180
 And I said, that doesn't look like it's switching today.

01:04:31.180 --> 01:04:33.600
 And they came back and they said, nope, that was last month's report.

01:04:33.600 --> 01:04:36.660
 So I think the weather has put them a little bit behind.

01:04:36.660 --> 01:04:41.780
 So once that switch happens, I think the traffic will ease down a little bit as far as congestion,

01:04:41.780 --> 01:04:48.380
 but we're still going to be under construction until almost the end of fall.

01:04:48.380 --> 01:04:49.380
 That's the update.

01:04:49.380 --> 01:04:52.180
 I think that's the last segment of 35.

01:04:52.180 --> 01:04:57.100
 Once that is completed, 35 will technically be completed.

01:04:57.100 --> 01:05:01.100
 Of course, Citi has other projects that we're going to pursue, and I think we're going to

01:05:01.100 --> 01:05:07.740
 come back with the Mayhill project that's going to redo the interchange anyways.

01:05:07.740 --> 01:05:13.220
 But for now, I think we'll be done with the 35 widening that started three, four, five

01:05:13.220 --> 01:05:14.220
 years ago.

01:05:14.220 --> 01:05:15.220
 Yeah, back then.

01:05:15.220 --> 01:05:18.220
 So I got a question.

01:05:18.220 --> 01:05:19.220
 It's close.

01:05:19.220 --> 01:05:24.220
 If I'm going down Colorado and I take a ride on Brinker to go to Bucky's, how long is it

01:05:24.220 --> 01:05:25.220
 going to, when's that going to happen?

01:05:25.220 --> 01:05:30.140
 So that's our next project.

01:05:30.140 --> 01:05:35.180
 We have a -- you see that curve that comes in?

01:05:35.180 --> 01:05:47.540
 So our next project, currently our Mayhill project ends around here, our widening.

01:05:47.540 --> 01:05:56.540
 So we'll pick it up here, and we'll have a bridge go over the DCTA track, and possibly

01:05:56.540 --> 01:06:00.520
 this interchange or intersection will be reconfigured as part of that.

01:06:00.520 --> 01:06:05.020
 If we can quickly come down and manage the grade, we will.

01:06:05.020 --> 01:06:07.780
 If we have to redo some of that, we will.

01:06:07.780 --> 01:06:10.820
 But this is going to go away.

01:06:10.820 --> 01:06:15.980
 So we'll no longer have a at-grade crossing at DCTA.

01:06:15.980 --> 01:06:21.980
 This street will be straightened out to just continue on this way, and then Mayhill actually

01:06:21.980 --> 01:06:25.460
 will divert off and connect here.

01:06:25.460 --> 01:06:26.620
 That's the next project.

01:06:26.620 --> 01:06:29.420
 It's currently under design.

01:06:29.420 --> 01:06:34.580
 We're still -- I think the funding has been secured, but we're going to have a bridge

01:06:34.580 --> 01:06:35.580
 over.

01:06:35.580 --> 01:06:40.740
 We're going through the property acquisition part or condemnation part at this point.

01:06:40.740 --> 01:06:47.420
 But this project will be our next, and then following that, we'll continue upgrading this

01:06:47.420 --> 01:06:50.180
 infrastructure because the pavement is pretty bad.

01:06:50.180 --> 01:06:51.180
 It's in bad shape.

01:06:51.180 --> 01:06:53.180
 We'll upgrade that.

01:06:53.180 --> 01:06:58.300
 And then the next project, which will begin design -- I think Tech Start is hiring someone

01:06:58.300 --> 01:07:04.020
 to design -- is upgrading this whole interchange, similar to what we did with the loop.

01:07:04.020 --> 01:07:08.520
 This will be completely redone to tie into our project.

01:07:08.520 --> 01:07:14.860
 So this interchange and then Mayhill connection all the way to 380 as a widened street will

01:07:14.860 --> 01:07:24.060
 be really a relief for traffic along the loop.

01:07:24.060 --> 01:07:27.900
 So this takes a lot longer.

01:07:27.900 --> 01:07:33.380
 I mean, it's a stop sign, and then there is a signal that people sit at.

01:07:33.380 --> 01:07:39.260
 But once this connection comes in, this intersection will be improved, and then ultimately this

01:07:39.260 --> 01:07:43.980
 interchange will so that there will be a lot more people going through the interchange,

01:07:43.980 --> 01:07:46.540
 reducing the delay.

01:07:46.540 --> 01:07:51.740
 This probably project is two, three, four years ahead.

01:07:51.740 --> 01:07:56.100
 This is probably the next year or so we should be able to get under construction.

01:07:56.100 --> 01:08:00.620
 >> So Buckies is still going to have to take the service road to get in the front entrance?

01:08:00.620 --> 01:08:03.780
 >> Yes, so this is a separate interchange.

01:08:03.780 --> 01:08:08.540
 Buckies still has to go through here, make that -- it will be signalized at both these

01:08:08.540 --> 01:08:15.240
 intersections to get in and out that project of their site.

01:08:15.240 --> 01:08:21.500
 And the signals will probably be the last thing to go in, so it won't happen until towards

01:08:21.500 --> 01:08:23.860
 the end of fall, most likely.

01:08:23.860 --> 01:08:24.860
 >> Of this year?

01:08:24.860 --> 01:08:33.140
 >> Yes, of this year.

01:08:33.140 --> 01:08:34.140
 >> Okay.

01:08:34.140 --> 01:08:35.140
 >> All right.

01:08:35.140 --> 01:08:36.140
 Anybody have anything else?

01:08:36.140 --> 01:08:37.580
 Thank you.

01:08:37.580 --> 01:08:47.620
 That brings us to our last item, which is 1FTSC19-007, which are the staff reports, the matrix,

01:08:47.620 --> 01:08:49.780
 and the street construction report.

01:08:49.780 --> 01:08:50.820
 >> Awesome.

01:08:50.820 --> 01:08:56.580
 So this is something new that we added, and we wanted to make sure that, you know, members

01:08:56.580 --> 01:08:58.480
 are aware.

01:08:58.480 --> 01:09:05.700
 Every week we have a street construction report go out to the public, and it's published as

01:09:05.700 --> 01:09:09.900
 an attachment to the Friday packet for council reading.

01:09:09.900 --> 01:09:14.300
 We thought it might not be a bad idea to bring it forward, and, you know, if you have any

01:09:14.300 --> 01:09:21.540
 questions, if there are any particular concerns, this would be a good way to start some of

01:09:21.540 --> 01:09:24.980
 the projects, or even push some information out there.

01:09:24.980 --> 01:09:31.220
 I think a lot of times people contact you as members saying, "Hey, what's happening

01:09:31.220 --> 01:09:32.220
 in my neighborhood?"

01:09:32.220 --> 01:09:35.860
 Or, "This street, some sign showed up on my door.

01:09:35.860 --> 01:09:36.940
 What's going on?"

01:09:36.940 --> 01:09:43.340
 So this is a quick way of, okay, this is an upcoming project, or it's a current project,

01:09:43.340 --> 01:09:45.540
 and they're, you know, laid out.

01:09:45.540 --> 01:09:49.660
 I think current projects are in the front, and then as you move forward, they'll tell

01:09:49.660 --> 01:09:51.820
 you what the upcoming projects are.

01:09:51.820 --> 01:09:53.700
 It makes it a better communication tool.

01:09:53.700 --> 01:09:57.580
 You can push out more information saying, "Hey, you know, it's going to be under construction

01:09:57.580 --> 01:10:00.140
 for three weeks.

01:10:00.140 --> 01:10:04.140
 If you have any -- if you need any information, you can just let us know.

01:10:04.140 --> 01:10:06.620
 We'll pull the right people in and get you."

01:10:06.620 --> 01:10:13.220
 But this is something that we've started not advertising, but pushing out more at different

01:10:13.220 --> 01:10:18.460
 levels and platforms that just make it better for everyone.

01:10:18.460 --> 01:10:19.460
 That's the first.

01:10:19.460 --> 01:10:20.460
 And then --

01:10:20.460 --> 01:10:21.460
 So I have a question.

01:10:21.460 --> 01:10:22.460
 I was looking at it.

01:10:22.460 --> 01:10:23.460
 Yes.

01:10:23.460 --> 01:10:28.100
 Like, there -- on Scripture, for instance, between Thomas and Ector, there's an Atmos

01:10:28.100 --> 01:10:34.660
 utility relocation, and currently, Scripture is all torn up, and there's little stakes

01:10:34.660 --> 01:10:36.860
 all over the place.

01:10:36.860 --> 01:10:43.100
 Will there be -- will that just be simply road-related, or will there be -- is there

01:10:43.100 --> 01:10:49.020
 potential sidewalk, since everything is torn up on Scripture right now?

01:10:49.020 --> 01:10:53.040
 So there are two different elements.

01:10:53.040 --> 01:10:58.580
 It is -- when a street is -- I know how I've talked to you about this, but when a street

01:10:58.580 --> 01:11:06.220
 is looked at, or when we look at the reconstruction or rehabbing a street, what we're looking

01:11:06.220 --> 01:11:08.540
 at is a maintenance activity.

01:11:08.540 --> 01:11:15.000
 So within the curb-to-curb, we do not touch the curbs and gutters, but within that, we

01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:20.720
 remove all the asphalt, redo the whole segment, so it's more of a maintenance.

01:11:20.720 --> 01:11:26.340
 So when we went to the bond committee and through the bond elections, we said, "These

01:11:26.340 --> 01:11:27.820
 are the streets that we need to maintain.

01:11:27.820 --> 01:11:29.200
 We don't have money."

01:11:29.200 --> 01:11:30.300
 And they allocated money.

01:11:30.300 --> 01:11:34.800
 So when we defined what the project was, it was defined within the curb and gutter.

01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:36.940
 We won't touch anything else.

01:11:36.940 --> 01:11:40.380
 The minute you touch something else, it becomes a bigger project.

01:11:40.380 --> 01:11:47.300
 Just to give you a quick example, some of these projects, some of the older neighborhoods,

01:11:47.300 --> 01:11:52.180
 the right-of-way is against the curb, or some of the right-of-way is very close.

01:11:52.180 --> 01:11:55.460
 I mean, literally a couple feet from the curb.

01:11:55.460 --> 01:12:00.540
 So the minute we say we want to put a sidewalk, then it becomes a big issue of right-of-way,

01:12:00.540 --> 01:12:04.940
 easements, acquisition, all of that.

01:12:04.940 --> 01:12:11.540
 Everything that has to do with right-of-way is at a start, at a minimum, three-month process,

01:12:11.540 --> 01:12:17.100
 and at a regular panned out, it's about a year, just to go through the legal process

01:12:17.100 --> 01:12:21.740
 of noticing people, making sure that they understand what their rights are, making sure

01:12:21.740 --> 01:12:27.100
 that this is just an easement versus we're acquiring the right-of-way and all that.

01:12:27.100 --> 01:12:34.620
 So sidewalks are typically capital projects, long answer short.

01:12:34.620 --> 01:12:38.780
 And this is more of a maintenance project, and we try to keep them separate because they

01:12:38.780 --> 01:12:40.540
 do become involved.

01:12:40.540 --> 01:12:48.820
 You know I had to ask, that's what I do.

01:12:48.820 --> 01:12:52.460
 Any questions on the street reports, I mean, if there are any specific ones, we can take

01:12:52.460 --> 01:12:56.460
 it back and we can give you specific answers, but this is a start.

01:12:56.460 --> 01:13:02.580
 I don't want to make, you know, put you under the gun or anything right now, like give me

01:13:02.580 --> 01:13:07.580
 some questions, but it's just a start that anytime you see anything that pops out that

01:13:07.580 --> 01:13:15.340
 doesn't really look well or has not happened or what's happening in my front yard, let

01:13:15.340 --> 01:13:16.540
 me know.

01:13:16.540 --> 01:13:20.180
 We can get more information.

01:13:20.180 --> 01:13:27.860
 So getting to my favorite topic, the matrix.

01:13:27.860 --> 01:13:35.540
 All right, so the first item, comprehensive downtown parking plan.

01:13:35.540 --> 01:13:39.460
 That will follow the Oak Gateway parking.

01:13:39.460 --> 01:13:44.700
 I think there are some recommendations according to the Oak Gateway and then I think I've talked

01:13:44.700 --> 01:13:45.700
 to planning.

01:13:45.700 --> 01:13:50.500
 They'll start looking into how to update the downtown comprehensive plan as part of that.

01:13:50.500 --> 01:13:55.580
 I'm not sure if we want to continue keeping it here, but it was something that was brought

01:13:55.580 --> 01:13:59.780
 up previously and they wanted to continue, I'll leave it up to Petrice if she wants to

01:13:59.780 --> 01:14:02.300
 continue with it.

01:14:02.300 --> 01:14:05.700
 I'm trying to clean up the matrix because this matrix is kind of getting longer and

01:14:05.700 --> 01:14:11.780
 longer and I'd rather have it, you know, quick ones that we can really knock out in some

01:14:11.780 --> 01:14:12.780
 of the long term.

01:14:12.780 --> 01:14:13.780
 I don't have a lot of investment in that one.

01:14:13.780 --> 01:14:14.780
 Gosh, that's five years old.

01:14:14.780 --> 01:14:15.780
 Five years old.

01:14:15.780 --> 01:14:16.780
 What are we doing?

01:14:16.780 --> 01:14:17.780
 Oh, geez.

01:14:17.780 --> 01:14:18.780
 History lessons.

01:14:18.780 --> 01:14:19.780
 Yeah, so.

01:14:19.780 --> 01:14:32.100
 All right, but there are some alternative parking solutions that were brought up as

01:14:32.100 --> 01:14:37.940
 part of the Oak Gateway, so we can definitely look into that and how we can implement it

01:14:37.940 --> 01:14:40.940
 in the downtown area.

01:14:40.940 --> 01:14:49.220
 Mingo Road sidewalks, now this is something that we are working with TW as I mentioned.

01:14:49.220 --> 01:14:56.660
 We had a recent meeting December in which they said that they are willing to provide

01:14:56.660 --> 01:15:06.500
 us some kind of support and even right of way or a non-cash option to help us fund the

01:15:06.500 --> 01:15:09.260
 traffic study and understand the closure.

01:15:09.260 --> 01:15:14.860
 And part of that was what can we do along Mingo and how can we open up our current golf

01:15:14.860 --> 01:15:18.860
 course area by the trees and ways to install.

01:15:18.860 --> 01:15:23.180
 So yes, this is still a project and it will continue being a project.

01:15:23.180 --> 01:15:27.260
 I'm not sure if we want to leave the date in there.

01:15:27.260 --> 01:15:30.660
 It's almost a year and a half, over a year.

01:15:30.660 --> 01:15:35.660
 Or do we want to refresh the dates and say, yeah, this is, I mean, it is happening.

01:15:35.660 --> 01:15:41.660
 We can bring back whenever we get to TW, you can bring updates, but not sure if that needs

01:15:41.660 --> 01:15:42.660
 to stay.

01:15:42.660 --> 01:15:50.220
 >> Yeah, if you're talking and you're feeling good about it, we can move out.

01:15:50.220 --> 01:15:52.420
 >> I'm feeling good about a lot of things.

01:15:52.420 --> 01:15:58.740
 >> I was going to say, so number three here, the Fort Worth Drive at Collins, yeah, since

01:15:58.740 --> 01:16:03.700
 we're working on, with the small area plan.

01:16:03.700 --> 01:16:09.380
 >> Yeah, so I think part of that traffic study does recommend improvements at that intersection.

01:16:09.380 --> 01:16:10.380
 >> Yeah.

01:16:10.380 --> 01:16:13.940
 >> And it'll fix these left turn issues at that intersection.

01:16:13.940 --> 01:16:19.340
 So when UNT decides that, hey, let's close down some of these streets, then part of that

01:16:19.340 --> 01:16:23.180
 discussion will be, then implement new lanes here.

01:16:23.180 --> 01:16:26.980
 And we'll get money from UNT to do that.

01:16:26.980 --> 01:16:32.900
 So maybe yes, we can take it off.

01:16:32.900 --> 01:16:33.900
 >> First of the year.

01:16:33.900 --> 01:16:39.060
 >> I just, yeah, new books, I want to clean it up.

01:16:39.060 --> 01:16:44.100
 So next is number four, Northside Hickory near break.

01:16:44.100 --> 01:16:47.860
 Now this is, we're looking into the feasibility of putting the ramps in.

01:16:47.860 --> 01:16:53.580
 We do have some funds available.

01:16:53.580 --> 01:16:58.020
 One of the concerns is how far do we have to do the sidewalks to make it AD compliant.

01:16:58.020 --> 01:17:06.820
 The sidewalk is not AD compliant and the driveway is in, so part of that is do we have to reconstruct

01:17:06.820 --> 01:17:13.020
 the whole driveway because the driveway portion is really not more than 2%.

01:17:13.020 --> 01:17:17.960
 And then if that's going to be that expensive, then is it a feasible project with the limited

01:17:17.960 --> 01:17:19.060
 funds that we have.

01:17:19.060 --> 01:17:22.220
 So we're looking into that.

01:17:22.220 --> 01:17:28.420
 I'm okay to keep it up because I don't have an answer that says we're doing it now.

01:17:28.420 --> 01:17:29.420
 That's why.

01:17:29.420 --> 01:17:31.380
 >> Which business is that?

01:17:31.380 --> 01:17:38.900
 >> It's right in front of, what's the breakfast place there now, right by the theater, yeah,

01:17:38.900 --> 01:17:43.220
 upper park, yeah, right if you go just west.

01:17:43.220 --> 01:17:47.220
 That direction, that driveway, there's just two curbs, so if you're in a wheelchair, strollers,

01:17:47.220 --> 01:17:48.220
 anything.

01:17:48.220 --> 01:17:53.860
 >> And I'm pretty sure this will be brought up by the new ADA compliance committee.

01:17:53.860 --> 01:17:54.860
 I think it's going to council.

01:17:54.860 --> 01:17:55.860
 >> The disability committee.

01:17:55.860 --> 01:17:58.820
 >> The disability committee that's going to council next.

01:17:58.820 --> 01:17:59.820
 >> Tomorrow.

01:17:59.820 --> 01:18:03.700
 >> Yeah, I think it is tomorrow for nominations.

01:18:03.700 --> 01:18:10.500
 They can, I think they're a better platform to bring these up, and we, earlier today we

01:18:10.500 --> 01:18:15.460
 just met Val, I'm not sure if you've met him, but he's applied to be on the committee, so

01:18:15.460 --> 01:18:20.620
 he's aware of a bunch of stuff, and he's like, yeah, we'll start pointing out things, and

01:18:20.620 --> 01:18:24.740
 we'll take it to city manager and council and see how they want to fund it, but that

01:18:24.740 --> 01:18:30.180
 would be a better platform to push some of these.

01:18:30.180 --> 01:18:33.840
 >> The reason I've targeted that one, too, is because it's the only spot along that whole

01:18:33.840 --> 01:18:39.260
 street like that, so if we fix that, then we have a fully continuous street you can

01:18:39.260 --> 01:18:46.020
 use a wheelchair on, parkway down the street, whatever you want.

01:18:46.020 --> 01:18:49.620
 >> So station motor is the next one.

01:18:49.620 --> 01:18:56.540
 >> We are following up with enforcement, I think initially they started moving it, now

01:18:56.540 --> 01:19:01.460
 they're back, so when they were told by enforcement, they moved it, and there was some clearance,

01:19:01.460 --> 01:19:06.980
 so we got the sidewalk opened up, then after that, they started parking, I think Becky

01:19:06.980 --> 01:19:12.140
 is working with enforcement to make sure that they continually, I mean, we've also given

01:19:12.140 --> 01:19:16.460
 them an option if we want to paint it, paint a line for them to really restrict them to

01:19:16.460 --> 01:19:23.780
 park beyond, but our first stop is enforcement, we'll see how it works.

01:19:23.780 --> 01:19:29.660
 That area is really where it comes to right-of-ways, it's convoluted, it's hard to establish a

01:19:29.660 --> 01:19:35.660
 right-of-way without a survey, spending thousands of dollars to make sure that we tie in every

01:19:35.660 --> 01:19:42.300
 aspect, so we don't want to get into the legal aspect yet, we want to see what we can do

01:19:42.300 --> 01:19:47.880
 up front, because that's going to be a long drawn, and it won't get us anywhere.

01:19:47.880 --> 01:19:51.700
 >> Lines would help the pedestrians too, because one of the biggest problems is it's unclear

01:19:51.700 --> 01:19:55.500
 where you're supposed to walk, except walk out into the street, and we know that's where

01:19:55.500 --> 01:19:58.140
 the traffic, the speed really picks up for cars coming off the street.

01:19:58.140 --> 01:20:02.460
 >> No, I think that's our next step, is once enforcement starts doing that, we'll just

01:20:02.460 --> 01:20:06.940
 let them know that we're going to come in and strike where your lines are.

01:20:06.940 --> 01:20:17.860
 >> Temporary improvements to Hickory for bike lanes until the project is complete.

01:20:17.860 --> 01:20:25.660
 So this one is more of while the project is under design, just a section between Welch

01:20:25.660 --> 01:20:26.660
 and Carroll?

01:20:26.660 --> 01:20:32.220
 >> Yeah, just right now the road is really bumpy, just rode it on the way here, and when

01:20:32.220 --> 01:20:36.220
 at night it's completely dark, so you don't see the bumps if you're on a bike, unless

01:20:36.220 --> 01:20:39.300
 you have a light on your bike, which some people do and some don't.

01:20:39.300 --> 01:20:43.780
 But for pedestrians too, it just is really dark in spots along that, so just something,

01:20:43.780 --> 01:20:46.700
 I'm worried about injuries in that area.

01:20:46.700 --> 01:20:54.460
 >> Okay, so as far as, do you want, I mean, temporary improvements, do you want markings

01:20:54.460 --> 01:20:55.460
 on the pavements?

01:20:55.460 --> 01:21:00.060
 I mean, I'm just trying to, what's the best way, you can't really help the bumps.

01:21:00.060 --> 01:21:04.220
 >> Yeah, I don't, well, I think the lighting is the first issue, right, because even if

01:21:04.220 --> 01:21:07.020
 the road's bad, at least you can see that it's bad.

01:21:07.020 --> 01:21:08.020
 That's the one concern.

01:21:08.020 --> 01:21:12.340
 Now, because if you ride in that bike lane, you know, what's left of it, you're avoiding

01:21:12.340 --> 01:21:17.900
 things kind of all the time, and so people can still avoid it if they're riding it once

01:21:17.900 --> 01:21:18.900
 the sun goes down.

01:21:18.900 --> 01:21:23.740
 I ride, I'm pretty shifty on my bike, and I feel like I'm about to go down, like half

01:21:23.740 --> 01:21:31.640
 the way in the middle where there's no lights, it's, it's, and I've hit like big concrete

01:21:31.640 --> 01:21:33.900
 things that get stuck in the bike lane, you don't see them.

01:21:33.900 --> 01:21:38.020
 I've hit those before and amazingly, like, sort of not gone down, so it's just, it's

01:21:38.020 --> 01:21:39.020
 a concern.

01:21:39.020 --> 01:21:44.220
 I don't know, I think a light would help temporarily, I mean, how long till that part of Hickory

01:21:44.220 --> 01:21:46.780
 is fixed and the bike lane is restored to some kind of initial--

01:21:46.780 --> 01:21:51.540
 >> Yeah, we're under design, I think the primary design aspect is lighting.

01:21:51.540 --> 01:21:56.820
 We're adding lights in that segment, and that's why we had to go and redesign it.

01:21:56.820 --> 01:22:01.260
 Initially, it was, as I mentioned, it was just a maintenance project between the curb

01:22:01.260 --> 01:22:02.260
 and curb.

01:22:02.260 --> 01:22:06.400
 Now, between Welch and Carroll, this new segment, we're doing lights.

01:22:06.400 --> 01:22:12.300
 We're doing those historical type of lighting on the north side.

01:22:12.300 --> 01:22:16.380
 On the south side, there is lighting, but on the north side, there is nothing.

01:22:16.380 --> 01:22:24.900
 And we're moving the curb, we're redoing the drainage, we're, the design, I think, should

01:22:24.900 --> 01:22:27.580
 be completed later in the summer.

01:22:27.580 --> 01:22:34.580
 So we are scheduled to get to construction sooner, but we're designing light where there

01:22:34.580 --> 01:22:35.940
 is no light currently.

01:22:35.940 --> 01:22:42.500
 So it's kind of hard to have a temporary lighting situation where there's nothing right now.

01:22:42.500 --> 01:22:47.740
 And as far as markings, what we can do is put down tabs.

01:22:47.740 --> 01:22:54.940
 I mean, when a street is in construction, they typically have tabs that follow their

01:22:54.940 --> 01:22:57.660
 little pieces of plastic that stick out.

01:22:57.660 --> 01:23:00.220
 And they do help at night a lot.

01:23:00.220 --> 01:23:05.460
 So what we can do is put tabs, some of those, so that they become reflectors and show the--

01:23:05.460 --> 01:23:06.460
 Along the bike lane?

01:23:06.460 --> 01:23:07.460
 Along the lane.

01:23:07.460 --> 01:23:11.620
 That way, you know exactly, this is your bike lane and these are your travel lanes.

01:23:11.620 --> 01:23:13.100
 So the street's being repaved?

01:23:13.100 --> 01:23:14.100
 Is that correct?

01:23:14.100 --> 01:23:15.100
 The street will be repaved completely.

01:23:15.100 --> 01:23:17.260
 As the same time the lights are going in?

01:23:17.260 --> 01:23:18.260
 Exactly.

01:23:18.260 --> 01:23:19.260
 Okay.

01:23:19.260 --> 01:23:20.260
 Everything will be redone that same.

01:23:20.260 --> 01:23:25.500
 On a side question on that is the-- 'Cause on parts of that lane, we actually have the

01:23:25.500 --> 01:23:31.460
 bike lane is fully green painted, but a lot of other areas, we have the bike lane without

01:23:31.460 --> 01:23:32.460
 green paint.

01:23:32.460 --> 01:23:33.500
 What's the policy?

01:23:33.500 --> 01:23:38.060
 So the green paint was only to show the conflict areas.

01:23:38.060 --> 01:23:41.520
 That was our intent for the green plane.

01:23:41.520 --> 01:23:45.780
 Because the right turn was shifted and the bike lane was supposed to shift and get into

01:23:45.780 --> 01:23:52.300
 the middle, that's why that whole area was green initially to identify this is a conflict

01:23:52.300 --> 01:23:53.300
 area.

01:23:53.300 --> 01:23:58.980
 Cars and bikes can commingle and exchange or going back and forth.

01:23:58.980 --> 01:24:01.380
 There's no intent to completely paint it green.

01:24:01.380 --> 01:24:07.680
 I think initially it was more of a educational effort for people to understand.

01:24:07.680 --> 01:24:13.220
 We may do a little bit different on that particular approach at Carroll.

01:24:13.220 --> 01:24:21.260
 We may, since the bike lane is I think between six and eight feet wide, we may have a buffered

01:24:21.260 --> 01:24:26.920
 bike lane with six feet in the middle and two feet on either side that would help actually

01:24:26.920 --> 01:24:30.060
 isolate the bike lane and looks like a bike lane.

01:24:30.060 --> 01:24:34.560
 People right now, it didn't really feel like-- So we might have some minor changes based

01:24:34.560 --> 01:24:41.580
 on just what we've learned, but ultimately it'll be a better product.

01:24:41.580 --> 01:24:47.060
 Is it a cost issue for doing green paint on other bike lanes in that area?

01:24:47.060 --> 01:24:49.380
 No, not necessarily a cost issue.

01:24:49.380 --> 01:24:51.020
 It's more of a maintenance.

01:24:51.020 --> 01:24:55.540
 You put it once in a year and a half, it's gone.

01:24:55.540 --> 01:24:57.060
 It's pretty bad out there.

01:24:57.060 --> 01:25:00.180
 The thermo and the paint doesn't last.

01:25:00.180 --> 01:25:08.860
 With the conditions in Dallas, we go there and typically we have to replace thermoplastic

01:25:08.860 --> 01:25:10.940
 at a latest every four years.

01:25:10.940 --> 01:25:13.620
 It's pretty bad every four years.

01:25:13.620 --> 01:25:17.140
 Typically it lasts only for the first two years, then it starts fading off.

01:25:17.140 --> 01:25:20.300
 It starts blackening out, chipping away.

01:25:20.300 --> 01:25:25.700
 So typically we'll have to do green paint every two years if that's who we decide to

01:25:25.700 --> 01:25:26.980
 go with.

01:25:26.980 --> 01:25:32.620
 But if we go with more of an educational effort where initially we put it in and say, this

01:25:32.620 --> 01:25:36.380
 is where you have to follow and then people start following, we don't have to really maintain

01:25:36.380 --> 01:25:37.380
 the green paint.

01:25:37.380 --> 01:25:39.640
 We just have to maintain the other paint.

01:25:39.640 --> 01:25:45.820
 That's much more easier for us.

01:25:45.820 --> 01:25:50.860
 All right.

01:25:50.860 --> 01:25:57.060
 So poor signage in Welch, yes, we identified there were two intersections where it drops

01:25:57.060 --> 01:26:00.300
 and we're going to start installing some of the signage in there.

01:26:00.300 --> 01:26:03.660
 We've asked to put that on the schedule.

01:26:03.660 --> 01:26:11.780
 So if you can remind me, we'll go back to Terry.

01:26:11.780 --> 01:26:18.860
 The quarterly report, we are planning on bringing that PD report for collisions in our April

01:26:18.860 --> 01:26:20.340
 meeting.

01:26:20.340 --> 01:26:27.620
 So that way we get every three months or every six months we have an idea.

01:26:27.620 --> 01:26:32.980
 But what we're going to plan on doing is we're going to take last year's full data, 2018,

01:26:32.980 --> 01:26:39.420
 and what intersections have the most collisions and then the types of collisions.

01:26:39.420 --> 01:26:46.340
 Are they pedestrian oriented, bike oriented, or even if it's a side swipe, head on, what

01:26:46.340 --> 01:26:48.020
 type of collision?

01:26:48.020 --> 01:26:54.860
 And then our goal eventually is going to be what are the fixes that we can do.

01:26:54.860 --> 01:27:00.460
 We have started looking at some of our intersections and done similar things.

01:27:00.460 --> 01:27:06.260
 Last year we applied for highway safety improvement program funds from TxDOT and federal government

01:27:06.260 --> 01:27:10.340
 to fix a couple of our intersections.

01:27:10.340 --> 01:27:16.180
 I think we applied for Kings Row at Loop 288 and then McKinney at Loop 288.

01:27:16.180 --> 01:27:20.440
 And there are a couple more intersections on McKinney west of the Loop.

01:27:20.440 --> 01:27:27.620
 So we applied for funds, we received funding, I think it's about a million dollars, to upgrade

01:27:27.620 --> 01:27:33.100
 all these intersections starting this year, 2019 and 2020.

01:27:33.100 --> 01:27:37.140
 So we're going in that direction as part of this.

01:27:37.140 --> 01:27:42.860
 We'll start presenting some of the issues, we'll come up with solutions, and then if

01:27:42.860 --> 01:27:51.180
 the committee recommends we'll move forward and apply for funding to get it fixed.

01:27:51.180 --> 01:27:55.940
 I think number nine we can take it off, I think no curve on Elm and Mulberry.

01:27:55.940 --> 01:28:04.060
 I think we put in paint at that corner on Mulberry.

01:28:04.060 --> 01:28:14.940
 That removes me entirely from the matrix.

01:28:14.940 --> 01:28:16.220
 Really?

01:28:16.220 --> 01:28:22.020
 We're addressing your comments or concerns more faster than anyone, see?

01:28:22.020 --> 01:28:25.420
 I think that's what it is.

01:28:25.420 --> 01:28:33.540
 There's no bias here, zero.

01:28:33.540 --> 01:28:38.180
 Request more information on MUSE, I think we talked to their project manager, he's going

01:28:38.180 --> 01:28:40.780
 to come in next month.

01:28:40.780 --> 01:28:44.780
 So we're planning on bringing a whole, I think they're doing workshops and they're doing

01:28:44.780 --> 01:28:50.380
 some community and public meetings right now, but he's going to bring a whole item next

01:28:50.380 --> 01:28:55.860
 month, so we'll get a better update.

01:28:55.860 --> 01:29:00.180
 Interaction in areas with higher amount of collision, yes, that's review and discuss,

01:29:00.180 --> 01:29:12.060
 that would be part of our PD report.

01:29:12.060 --> 01:29:17.220
 Yeah that one, that one's tough, I looked at it.

01:29:17.220 --> 01:29:20.660
 Yeah because of the way that intersection is set up.

01:29:20.660 --> 01:29:23.020
 Were you talking about mine?

01:29:23.020 --> 01:29:24.340
 Yes, Welch and Eagle.

01:29:24.340 --> 01:29:30.820
 So I think there is a, if we pull it back, there is a site issue with pedestrians crossing

01:29:30.820 --> 01:29:38.500
 on the other side, but there was something, we can pull it back, I think a couple feet.

01:29:38.500 --> 01:29:42.540
 We just need the one lane, we don't need the right lane.

01:29:42.540 --> 01:29:45.940
 Okay, so you want it stacked.

01:29:45.940 --> 01:29:53.440
 If you're going, I got that bus and I'm trying to make a left hand turn, you just need the

01:29:53.440 --> 01:29:54.940
 left lane.

01:29:54.940 --> 01:30:02.140
 But I'm a bus driver, got a 35 foot bus, so we're talking about Welch and Eagle, I come

01:30:02.140 --> 01:30:09.560
 up out of the union and I have to take a left to go to Colorado, and so I stay back because

01:30:09.560 --> 01:30:14.260
 somebody over here could be another bus, could be a pickup, they got to come in and take

01:30:14.260 --> 01:30:21.140
 a left off Eagle, and they make an S turn, they don't make an L turn.

01:30:21.140 --> 01:30:28.420
 So they're crossing the line, and people have a propensity just to go out even beyond the

01:30:28.420 --> 01:30:36.460
 white stripe that's there now, but when I'm coming the other way, coming up Eagle to take

01:30:36.460 --> 01:30:43.780
 a right to get onto Welch, and they're sticking out over that line, I have to swing way out

01:30:43.780 --> 01:30:49.340
 to the left and then try to make an L turn with that bus coming back in.

01:30:49.340 --> 01:30:57.740
 Sometimes even have to block both lanes until that person leaves or backs up or whatever.

01:30:57.740 --> 01:31:04.220
 So what I'm saying is you move that lane, that left lane, back, that white stripe back.

01:31:04.220 --> 01:31:09.340
 So you're talking about just this one lane go back here, but then this remains here?

01:31:09.340 --> 01:31:10.340
 Yeah.

01:31:10.340 --> 01:31:16.580
 Because my whole concern of pulling that back was an issue, but we have to just have this

01:31:16.580 --> 01:31:21.600
 as one lane, I don't have an issue.

01:31:21.600 --> 01:31:23.940
 Yeah we can pull it back a few feet.

01:31:23.940 --> 01:31:30.340
 See, because that curb cut on the left hand side on the corner there, that sticks out

01:31:30.340 --> 01:31:31.340
 because of the handicap.

01:31:31.340 --> 01:31:32.580
 So you're making this right?

01:31:32.580 --> 01:31:34.900
 Yeah, I'm making that right in there.

01:31:34.900 --> 01:31:38.900
 And then if this is back here, that way it gives you enough space to turn.

01:31:38.900 --> 01:31:39.900
 Right.

01:31:39.900 --> 01:31:44.860
 Isn't Welch also going to go on a road diet?

01:31:44.860 --> 01:31:45.860
 Yes.

01:31:45.860 --> 01:31:47.060
 So there wouldn't be two lanes coming in.

01:31:47.060 --> 01:31:48.060
 Right.

01:31:48.060 --> 01:31:58.460
 So part of our thing was this would go away anyways, but I'd say it's a quick fix.

01:31:58.460 --> 01:31:59.460
 Doesn't need to wait that long.

01:31:59.460 --> 01:32:00.460
 What about the stop bar?

01:32:00.460 --> 01:32:06.560
 Yeah, stop bar in the left lane for the southbound left.

01:32:06.560 --> 01:32:17.620
 Just say southbound left to the stop bar, so there are two items we need to stop to carry.

01:32:17.620 --> 01:32:23.580
 If you can fix that, I'm off the matrix.

01:32:23.580 --> 01:32:24.580
 Wow.

01:32:24.580 --> 01:32:25.580
 Joining me.

01:32:25.580 --> 01:32:26.580
 That's right.

01:32:26.580 --> 01:32:27.580
 Out there in the hinterlands.

01:32:27.580 --> 01:32:28.580
 No, you still have parking.

01:32:28.580 --> 01:32:29.580
 I still have some parking out there, yeah.

01:32:29.580 --> 01:32:36.100
 We're in the, almost in the hinterlands.

01:32:36.100 --> 01:32:40.260
 So on number 13, we are looking at protected bike lanes.

01:32:40.260 --> 01:32:44.660
 I think part of our Windsor project is going to be protected bike lanes.

01:32:44.660 --> 01:32:50.420
 We're also working with the UNT to add protected bike lanes on Highland.

01:32:50.420 --> 01:33:00.960
 So that's a project that's coming pretty soon on Highland between, I forget the name.

01:33:00.960 --> 01:33:11.520
 How will the cars park in the bike lane if we block it?

01:33:11.520 --> 01:33:20.380
 Nice graphic that you had, Mark.

01:33:20.380 --> 01:33:24.460
 The best part of that is because the bike lane goes contrary to traffic.

01:33:24.460 --> 01:33:31.300
 They all park it and then you have to go head on into traffic on your bike to get by.

01:33:31.300 --> 01:33:34.300
 So it's a good spot for a protected one.

01:33:34.300 --> 01:33:43.980
 So we're on Highland between Avenue C all the way to Welch.

01:33:43.980 --> 01:33:51.380
 This whole segment is going, actually Avenue D, no Avenue C. This whole segment is going

01:33:51.380 --> 01:33:57.980
 to have a protected bike lane, two way protected bike lane on the north side, which will be

01:33:57.980 --> 01:34:03.500
 12 feet wide with a buffer, delineators, no one touching the bike lane.

01:34:03.500 --> 01:34:10.860
 On the south side, we'll have two lanes going through and a loading zone all along the south

01:34:10.860 --> 01:34:11.860
 side.

01:34:11.860 --> 01:34:12.860
 Wow.

01:34:12.860 --> 01:34:13.860
 Nice.

01:34:13.860 --> 01:34:20.840
 So that anyone that wants to stop, stop, drop people off, do not touch the bike lanes.

01:34:20.840 --> 01:34:25.500
 And it works because there's very few access points on the north side.

01:34:25.500 --> 01:34:29.740
 So I think these two and these are the only access points on the north.

01:34:29.740 --> 01:34:35.260
 That way people trying to get out are looking at both directions and I mean slowly kids

01:34:35.260 --> 01:34:40.760
 will get used to it that want to cross across, but the cars are the ones that are major issue

01:34:40.760 --> 01:34:46.140
 when they are leaving and entering the driveways, they're not anticipating bikes from both directions.

01:34:46.140 --> 01:34:52.940
 So that's why this was a perfect area for the bikes to be on the north side.

01:34:52.940 --> 01:34:54.740
 So that's the plan.

01:34:54.740 --> 01:34:55.740
 He had a nice sketch.

01:34:55.740 --> 01:34:57.260
 It would have been nice.

01:34:57.260 --> 01:35:02.140
 What's the timeline for that?

01:35:02.140 --> 01:35:04.580
 We can't get the material.

01:35:04.580 --> 01:35:08.940
 There's going to be rain for the next two, three weeks, but we're hoping to, when we

01:35:08.940 --> 01:35:13.180
 talked to UNT, we were hoping to get it done before UNT and the classes started, but it's

01:35:13.180 --> 01:35:18.020
 not going to happen given the rain, but in the next month or so we should have something

01:35:18.020 --> 01:35:19.020
 down there.

01:35:19.020 --> 01:35:21.460
 I'm going to ride up and down that every day.

01:35:21.460 --> 01:35:23.660
 Even when you don't have to.

01:35:23.660 --> 01:35:24.660
 I know.

01:35:24.660 --> 01:35:30.140
 We'll get you right from my building to that little vegan cafeteria.

01:35:30.140 --> 01:35:31.140
 I know.

01:35:31.140 --> 01:35:35.380
 I mean there was no point having the loading area and the bike lanes and people are going

01:35:35.380 --> 01:35:39.020
 to stop anyways, so just give them a place to stop.

01:35:39.020 --> 01:35:40.020
 Makes sense.

01:35:40.020 --> 01:35:41.020
 That was the idea.

01:35:41.020 --> 01:35:44.460
 Now they can shut down that Instagram post.

01:35:44.460 --> 01:35:48.220
 It was all about the Highland.

01:35:48.220 --> 01:35:49.540
 And you said Windsor also?

01:35:49.540 --> 01:35:50.540
 Yeah.

01:35:50.540 --> 01:35:57.620
 If we can take that item out, that would be ... Do we have clay completely off?

01:35:57.620 --> 01:35:58.620
 No.

01:35:58.620 --> 01:35:59.620
 Oh, man.

01:35:59.620 --> 01:36:00.620
 All right.

01:36:00.620 --> 01:36:05.140
 We still have ankle.

01:36:05.140 --> 01:36:08.580
 Okay, okay.

01:36:08.580 --> 01:36:11.140
 So we got the request for update on 35.

01:36:11.140 --> 01:36:19.540
 We presented that item.

01:36:19.540 --> 01:36:20.540
 Number 14.

01:36:20.540 --> 01:36:21.540
 Yeah.

01:36:21.540 --> 01:36:31.020
 On number 15, yeah, that's another place, the 88 ramp.

01:36:31.020 --> 01:36:41.180
 [ Inaudible ]

01:36:41.180 --> 01:36:47.700
 And then the timing of signals on the square in coordination with pedestrian access.

01:36:47.700 --> 01:36:49.420
 So just a quick update.

01:36:49.420 --> 01:36:56.140
 We met with Val, as we mentioned, and then we also met Council Member Armenter, and we

01:36:56.140 --> 01:36:58.020
 talked about options.

01:36:58.020 --> 01:37:00.300
 We have options in mind.

01:37:00.300 --> 01:37:03.100
 There are several things we're going to do.

01:37:03.100 --> 01:37:08.140
 Currently the pedestrian phase starts a couple seconds before the green on the same side

01:37:08.140 --> 01:37:09.140
 starts.

01:37:09.140 --> 01:37:17.060
 So if you're traveling on Hickory, if you're crossing Locust or Elm, the green signal for

01:37:17.060 --> 01:37:21.300
 the vehicle shows up a couple seconds after the pedestrian signal hits.

01:37:21.300 --> 01:37:25.820
 What we're going to do is add more timing to the pedestrian, so we're going to start

01:37:25.820 --> 01:37:28.900
 at four seconds before the green for the vehicle.

01:37:28.900 --> 01:37:33.460
 That way they're already in the middle of the crosswalk as opposed to just barely starting.

01:37:33.460 --> 01:37:36.660
 Better targets.

01:37:36.660 --> 01:37:37.660
 That would help.

01:37:37.660 --> 01:37:42.540
 Put a full recall pedestrian, which means you don't really necessarily have to hit the

01:37:42.540 --> 01:37:43.540
 button.

01:37:43.540 --> 01:37:45.540
 You just show up and it starts.

01:37:45.540 --> 01:37:49.940
 So that would help, because a lot of times the frustration is you get into a point where

01:37:49.940 --> 01:37:53.220
 you hit the button when the cycle's already going, and then you have to wait through the

01:37:53.220 --> 01:37:58.140
 whole cycle for all the -- you don't have to do that, even if you show up no matter

01:37:58.140 --> 01:37:59.140
 what time.

01:37:59.140 --> 01:38:04.180
 One of the phases will throw you, whichever starts gets you going on the pedestrian phase.

01:38:04.180 --> 01:38:07.180
 So we're going to put that in there.

01:38:07.180 --> 01:38:10.860
 And we're adding some signage yield to pedestrian signage at the square.

01:38:10.860 --> 01:38:15.500
 So that's what we're going to do, and I think that should address a lot of these.

01:38:15.500 --> 01:38:17.860
 I think the frustration is we sat through the frustration.

01:38:17.860 --> 01:38:23.020
 We sat at one corner waiting for the signal to go and it didn't go, because we barely

01:38:23.020 --> 01:38:29.740
 missed the timing by one second or two seconds, so this should be addressed before the next

01:38:29.740 --> 01:38:31.740
 time we meet.

01:38:31.740 --> 01:38:32.740
 All right.

01:38:32.740 --> 01:38:37.420
 Any more things to -- I just wanted to clean up the matrix.

01:38:37.420 --> 01:38:39.780
 Any more things you want to add, talk about?

01:38:39.780 --> 01:38:42.300
 >> I've got two quick things.

01:38:42.300 --> 01:38:45.460
 One may just be a question that doesn't actually go in the matrix.

01:38:45.460 --> 01:38:51.660
 So I brought this up with my councilman, Hutzpeth, and he said he would look into it.

01:38:51.660 --> 01:38:56.060
 I'm not sure if he has to, but the bike share that we have, VeoRide, which my understanding

01:38:56.060 --> 01:38:58.820
 is there's -- is there a contract with the city?

01:38:58.820 --> 01:38:59.820
 >> Yes.

01:38:59.820 --> 01:39:03.780
 >> And so one of my understandings is that when they sign that contract, that part of

01:39:03.780 --> 01:39:08.340
 the understanding was that they would have bikes available by DCTA somewhere in that

01:39:08.340 --> 01:39:12.380
 area and -- >> I think Mark can address that.

01:39:12.380 --> 01:39:13.380
 >> Yeah.

01:39:13.380 --> 01:39:14.380
 >> All right.

01:39:14.380 --> 01:39:15.380
 Yep.

01:39:15.380 --> 01:39:16.380
 I'll address this.

01:39:16.380 --> 01:39:19.180
 So there's not a contract between the city and VeoRide.

01:39:19.180 --> 01:39:20.180
 There's a permit.

01:39:20.180 --> 01:39:23.740
 There is a contract between VeoRide and DCTA.

01:39:23.740 --> 01:39:31.400
 There has been a request for bikes to be available there at the station here in town.

01:39:31.400 --> 01:39:34.820
 I know that they are talking to DCTA and working with them.

01:39:34.820 --> 01:39:36.180
 There's some question.

01:39:36.180 --> 01:39:41.340
 I think the legal people have been involved as far as this sole sourcing or something

01:39:41.340 --> 01:39:48.140
 if they let the company, but we have identified an area on the edge of the DCTA where the

01:39:48.140 --> 01:39:53.420
 city owns the property, and I have reached out to VeoRide to ask that they put bikes

01:39:53.420 --> 01:39:54.420
 there.

01:39:54.420 --> 01:39:57.700
 It's not right where you get off the train, but it's fairly close.

01:39:57.700 --> 01:40:04.900
 I don't think they've done it quite yet, but we are working on that, and hopefully DCTA

01:40:04.900 --> 01:40:06.220
 will figure out how to do this.

01:40:06.220 --> 01:40:12.860
 I think they just in the past haven't dealt with an arrangement like this, a bike share

01:40:12.860 --> 01:40:17.740
 company, and so they don't know how to approach it, but we are working on that.

01:40:17.740 --> 01:40:21.860
 I've been in touch with them both, and so hopefully here in the near future we will

01:40:21.860 --> 01:40:25.140
 have bicycles available right there at the station.

01:40:25.140 --> 01:40:26.140
 Thank you.

01:40:26.140 --> 01:40:28.980
 That'll be great.

01:40:28.980 --> 01:40:31.540
 Back to the bike lanes on Windsor.

01:40:31.540 --> 01:40:34.260
 What sections are we looking at?

01:40:34.260 --> 01:40:40.780
 It's primarily the wider section of Windsor is in front of the Strickland Middle, so we're

01:40:40.780 --> 01:40:50.980
 looking between I think it's Locust and Stewart, or I think it narrows by the time it gets

01:40:50.980 --> 01:40:56.420
 to Stewart, but Bell definitely.

01:40:56.420 --> 01:40:59.860
 We don't have the plans yet, but once we have a plan, we can share it.

01:40:59.860 --> 01:41:04.060
 We're working on the plans.

01:41:04.060 --> 01:41:10.020
 Are you thinking of going at Bell, is that what you're saying?

01:41:10.020 --> 01:41:13.260
 Up to Bell, yes, between Bell and Locust on Windsor.

01:41:13.260 --> 01:41:16.780
 I thought there was already bike lanes there.

01:41:16.780 --> 01:41:17.780
 Yeah, there are bike lanes.

01:41:17.780 --> 01:41:18.780
 There are bike lanes.

01:41:18.780 --> 01:41:19.780
 Some protected bike lanes.

01:41:19.780 --> 01:41:20.780
 Oh, protected.

01:41:20.780 --> 01:41:21.780
 Okay.

01:41:21.780 --> 01:41:26.180
 There are some issues I think it's the same issues that Highland was facing is the people

01:41:26.180 --> 01:41:32.900
 trying to park and loading zone and everything using the bike lanes, so we're trying to fix

01:41:32.900 --> 01:41:37.540
 that similar to Highland.

01:41:37.540 --> 01:41:41.980
 So the other issue I was going to bring up real quick was one I brought up before, so

01:41:41.980 --> 01:41:48.620
 I don't know how it fits with the matrix, but it's the areas on Long Carroll, near Hickory,

01:41:48.620 --> 01:41:54.860
 each direction a couple blocks, I think from Oak probably to Mulberry would probably be

01:41:54.860 --> 01:42:01.260
 on that, and then similarly on Bell from around the similar streets probably from Mulberry

01:42:01.260 --> 01:42:03.500
 to probably McKinney.

01:42:03.500 --> 01:42:08.420
 I think those are just two of the biggest problem areas, as you know, I've met with

01:42:08.420 --> 01:42:17.820
 Council member Briggs and Hutzpeth about those areas after the pedestrian was hit on Carroll,

01:42:17.820 --> 01:42:19.900
 because the street's dangerous.

01:42:19.900 --> 01:42:21.980
 It's not just simply an accident.

01:42:21.980 --> 01:42:26.420
 It's set up that we could have that, and I just don't want to see a worse injury happen.

01:42:26.420 --> 01:42:32.540
 So they brought before the council a bunch of possible solutions, and basically what

01:42:32.540 --> 01:42:35.800
 we were told is none of them would work.

01:42:35.800 --> 01:42:38.220
 One of the things was about congestion and things, and I don't know.

01:42:38.220 --> 01:42:39.220
 I live right there.

01:42:39.220 --> 01:42:40.460
 I'm in the eight-squared apartments.

01:42:40.460 --> 01:42:42.360
 I look out on Carroll.

01:42:42.360 --> 01:42:46.780
 I don't see the congestion that bad in that area.

01:42:46.780 --> 01:42:51.860
 In fact, the biggest problem is people fly down that street because it's like a highway.

01:42:51.860 --> 01:42:53.260
 I mean, it's wide open.

01:42:53.260 --> 01:42:57.340
 There's not much traffic, and so they fly through there sometimes going 60 miles per

01:42:57.340 --> 01:42:59.700
 hour because there's just no other cars around.

01:42:59.700 --> 01:43:02.420
 You can walk out there, I walked out there at 5.30, took video.

01:43:02.420 --> 01:43:05.340
 I tweeted it out to just show you can stand in the middle of the street.

01:43:05.340 --> 01:43:09.140
 It's just not that busy of a street, and maybe there's some times you actually have to wait

01:43:09.140 --> 01:43:10.140
 for a light.

01:43:10.140 --> 01:43:14.980
 My point being, I actually think we need to figure out ways to slow down the traffic there,

01:43:14.980 --> 01:43:18.780
 and so we got the opposite response that we would cause the slowing down of traffic.

01:43:18.780 --> 01:43:20.780
 So I think we're seeing things differently.

01:43:20.780 --> 01:43:21.780
 I'd really like us to see.

01:43:21.780 --> 01:43:23.260
 I don't know what the answer is.

01:43:23.260 --> 01:43:26.380
 There's lots of urban principles for slowing traffic.

01:43:26.380 --> 01:43:31.020
 This is for just the pedestrian crossings you're talking about?

01:43:31.020 --> 01:43:35.220
 The crossing, but also for about a two, three-block area there where really you have the intersecting

01:43:35.220 --> 01:43:40.100
 of everything of the things, businesses coming off the square, pedestrians.

01:43:40.100 --> 01:43:41.700
 Pedestrians are on Oak Street.

01:43:41.700 --> 01:43:42.980
 Pedestrians are on Mulberry Street.

01:43:42.980 --> 01:43:44.780
 Pedestrians are on Hickory.

01:43:44.780 --> 01:43:47.980
 I would argue, one of the arguments was that we don't have enough pedestrians.

01:43:47.980 --> 01:43:52.340
 Well, part of the reason is because go stand at that corner, it's scary.

01:43:52.340 --> 01:43:55.340
 It's physically scary to stand at that corner.

01:43:55.340 --> 01:44:00.060
 Zoom by, you feel no protection, and so part of the reason I think we have less pedestrians

01:44:00.060 --> 01:44:01.460
 is because we've created that environment.

01:44:01.460 --> 01:44:05.980
 So I just would love for us to explore what solutions there are, whether it's putting

01:44:05.980 --> 01:44:12.580
 up signage that slows cars down, that again alerts them, having a speed limit that encircles

01:44:12.580 --> 01:44:17.260
 the entire square where you slow down, I don't know, to 25 miles per hour for those four

01:44:17.260 --> 01:44:18.260
 blocks or whatever.

01:44:18.260 --> 01:44:19.460
 I don't know what the answer is.

01:44:19.460 --> 01:44:22.740
 I'm not an urban designer, but I know there's a lot of answers that have been done in other

01:44:22.740 --> 01:44:29.580
 places, and the council people brought a lot of them to the council.

01:44:29.580 --> 01:44:33.660
 The only one that kind of said, "We'll look at it," was lighting, which that's fine,

01:44:33.660 --> 01:44:35.780
 but that's not going to slow cars down that much.

01:44:35.780 --> 01:44:39.980
 It'll just help them see better, which is good, but we know that the best way to stop

01:44:39.980 --> 01:44:41.780
 fatalities is to slow cars down.

01:44:41.780 --> 01:44:43.700
 When they're going 40, they kill people.

01:44:43.700 --> 01:44:46.060
 When they're going 20, they usually don't.

01:44:46.060 --> 01:44:52.420
 So I'm just figuring, what can we do to slow down cars in those areas that have pedestrians

01:44:52.420 --> 01:44:56.620
 on them, that also could allow those areas to get more pedestrians and more cyclists?

01:44:56.620 --> 01:44:58.380
 Because I think those are great areas for that.

01:44:58.380 --> 01:45:02.180
 I would just like to see something done, because right now I feel like we're not getting good

01:45:02.180 --> 01:45:03.180
 answers on that.

01:45:03.180 --> 01:45:06.660
 There's several people I know in the community who are concerned, mothers who come to us

01:45:06.660 --> 01:45:11.620
 said that they're still worried about being anywhere right off the square and walking

01:45:11.620 --> 01:45:16.300
 with their kids, that they drive from the Methodist Church onto the square because of

01:45:16.300 --> 01:45:20.940
 fear of the danger in walking with their kids in strollers.

01:45:20.940 --> 01:45:25.900
 I just think that whole core area, it's not a big area, could be safer, but those two

01:45:25.900 --> 01:45:30.380
 little sections, I wish we could, I don't know if we need a focus group to come up with

01:45:30.380 --> 01:45:38.620
 possible solutions, but the council members have tried and just didn't get any answers.

01:45:38.620 --> 01:45:48.060
 I think if you're just talking about pedestrian crossings at Carol and Bell, if that's the

01:45:48.060 --> 01:45:53.100
 case, we have signals there, and then we have pedestrian phase.

01:45:53.100 --> 01:46:00.860
 One of the things that was missing was lighting, so from a protected signal or a protected

01:46:00.860 --> 01:46:05.580
 pedestrian crossing, I'm not sure if we can do more, but if you're talking about people

01:46:05.580 --> 01:46:11.020
 crossing in the middle block and slowing vehicles down, that's a different story.

01:46:11.020 --> 01:46:14.540
 If you're talking about, in general, slowing people on Carol, that's a different story,

01:46:14.540 --> 01:46:18.980
 but you're probably, I think, you're mixing two elements.

01:46:18.980 --> 01:46:25.020
 You're mixing crossings at intersections, which are already protected, with crossings

01:46:25.020 --> 01:46:32.260
 in general and pedestrian activity and creating that core that you're talking about.

01:46:32.260 --> 01:46:40.620
 Urban planning and the urban core making it more pedestrian-friendly, making it more bike-accessible,

01:46:40.620 --> 01:46:45.180
 and different other modes is slightly different than focusing on the intersection and pedestrian

01:46:45.180 --> 01:46:46.180
 crossing.

01:46:46.180 --> 01:46:48.780
 That's where it's getting lost in translation.

01:46:48.780 --> 01:46:53.260
 I think engineers are looking at it at different principles, like, yes, there's a pedestrian

01:46:53.260 --> 01:46:54.740
 protected phase.

01:46:54.740 --> 01:46:59.500
 What else can we do to protect pedestrians?

01:46:59.500 --> 01:47:01.260
 There is already a phase.

01:47:01.260 --> 01:47:02.540
 There's already a light.

01:47:02.540 --> 01:47:04.620
 Everyone stopped while they're crossing.

01:47:04.620 --> 01:47:05.940
 Everything's in place.

01:47:05.940 --> 01:47:06.940
 Lighting is something missing.

01:47:06.940 --> 01:47:08.340
 Okay, we'll add some lighting.

01:47:08.340 --> 01:47:10.060
 That's the response you got.

01:47:10.060 --> 01:47:15.020
 If you're looking for a whole big picture of urban planning, then that's where we get

01:47:15.020 --> 01:47:21.660
 into planning, and if the uses are designed that way, then we'll get the streets to flow

01:47:21.660 --> 01:47:23.020
 that way.

01:47:23.020 --> 01:47:27.140
 It's a combined effort between how we plan the core.

01:47:27.140 --> 01:47:28.140
 I agree.

01:47:28.140 --> 01:47:31.940
 If we plan it, that anyone that's entering the core has to slow down.

01:47:31.940 --> 01:47:36.860
 For example, Elm and Locust need to slow down as they approach, then we have to do a better

01:47:36.860 --> 01:47:43.460
 job on what are the uses approved and permitted, and how do we have the complete street segments

01:47:43.460 --> 01:47:46.060
 approaching the square area.

01:47:46.060 --> 01:47:50.220
 I think we're already looking into that, how we can convert those into complete streets

01:47:50.220 --> 01:47:55.300
 as some of these properties on Elm and Locust are pulled out of the floodplain, and they're

01:47:55.300 --> 01:47:59.300
 going to be revitalized anyways.

01:47:59.300 --> 01:48:00.300
 I agree.

01:48:00.300 --> 01:48:06.540
 Big picture, we can do something and plan and set it up, but the questions you're asking

01:48:06.540 --> 01:48:14.760
 are, "Yeah, I'm basing it off of one of these accidents or one of these issues, but what

01:48:14.760 --> 01:48:18.460
 else or what more do you want us to do if cars are speeding?"

01:48:18.460 --> 01:48:24.580
 Yes, they're getting a green, but pedestrians have a protected face to cross.

01:48:24.580 --> 01:48:26.580
 That's where it's getting lost.

01:48:26.580 --> 01:48:31.140
 We can reduce and have the elements in place, reduce the speed, make sure it's an urban

01:48:31.140 --> 01:48:37.500
 core and do planning-level effort where we look at not only the square, but anything

01:48:37.500 --> 01:48:42.340
 on Elm and Locust, anything on Oak and Hickory, and make that whole segment between Carol

01:48:42.340 --> 01:48:52.700
 and Bell a complete urban area where parking is looked at, where speeds of the street,

01:48:52.700 --> 01:48:55.900
 where width of the street, how wide do you need street?

01:48:55.900 --> 01:49:00.460
 They can be narrower and you need wider sidewalks or bike lanes.

01:49:00.460 --> 01:49:05.980
 All of that can be looked at, and it could be a downtown plan, as you mentioned, but

01:49:05.980 --> 01:49:07.100
 there are two different things.

01:49:07.100 --> 01:49:12.740
 One is a long-term, big picture, and this is more of how do we address our immediate

01:49:12.740 --> 01:49:13.740
 issues.

01:49:13.740 --> 01:49:20.740
 I think it's a big feel thing, because crossing Carol, it doesn't feel safe.

01:49:20.740 --> 01:49:27.780
 Even when you see your little white pedestrian flashing at you and the cars are coming to

01:49:27.780 --> 01:49:35.720
 a stop, yes, it's supposed to be protected, but it doesn't feel safe while you're crossing

01:49:35.720 --> 01:49:42.620
 six-plus lanes of traffic, and I think that's huge, the feel.

01:49:42.620 --> 01:49:46.820
 I definitely appreciate the long-term vision and know that that can all happen at once,

01:49:46.820 --> 01:49:50.620
 so I guess my - well, one clarification, what do you mean by uses?

01:49:50.620 --> 01:49:54.260
 When you say uses, are you talking about uses for different forms of transportation?

01:49:54.260 --> 01:50:00.860
 No, uses as far as land uses, what is entailed, what type of - for example, are we putting

01:50:00.860 --> 01:50:05.180
 in more office that requires a big parking lot and our car is going to come there, or

01:50:05.180 --> 01:50:10.980
 are we putting in these smaller shops that are going to be front end on these smaller

01:50:10.980 --> 01:50:17.620
 streets and parking is not the primary focus, the focus is attracting people from UNT, from

01:50:17.620 --> 01:50:24.100
 other places, just people and bikes and walking, or attracting people from the square to my

01:50:24.100 --> 01:50:29.300
 shop here, as opposed to I have a huge parking lot and now there's an office in front of

01:50:29.300 --> 01:50:31.100
 it, so that's the way you define it.

01:50:31.100 --> 01:50:35.200
 If you create more parking lots and offices on the fringe, there are going to be a lot

01:50:35.200 --> 01:50:36.200
 more cars.

01:50:36.200 --> 01:50:37.200
 Right.

01:50:37.200 --> 01:50:41.300
 I think - so my last comment on this is to go forward, I think my two things I'd say

01:50:41.300 --> 01:50:46.420
 is one of my big goals in being on this committee and being involved is I want the urban part

01:50:46.420 --> 01:50:51.220
 of Denton to have urban principles, not - I've noticed every time we talk about anything

01:50:51.220 --> 01:50:55.380
 outside the core, I say you're quiet, I never say anything, I don't care what we do anywhere

01:50:55.380 --> 01:51:00.140
 else in Denton, but the urban areas, I want to be urban, and so I think that goes for

01:51:00.140 --> 01:51:03.700
 parking and cars and things, and it's just the one area I think we don't have to prioritize

01:51:03.700 --> 01:51:08.780
 cars in our city, we should prioritize pedestrians and bikes, and that's - most great cities

01:51:08.780 --> 01:51:13.500
 across the world that people want to travel to be in are like that, is their urban cores

01:51:13.500 --> 01:51:16.260
 are walkable, and there's a lot of other ways to get around.

01:51:16.260 --> 01:51:20.200
 So that - and most of you probably know my goals at this point, that's what I'm really

01:51:20.200 --> 01:51:26.700
 interested in, my - on this project, my short term goal is are there any traffic calming

01:51:26.700 --> 01:51:31.300
 measures that would work here, whether it's art, whether it's - I mean it's like things

01:51:31.300 --> 01:51:34.580
 that - I don't know what they would be and that's what I'm asking, is there anything

01:51:34.580 --> 01:51:38.580
 in the short term that we could potentially look at?

01:51:38.580 --> 01:51:44.060
 So when you say traffic calming, there are several signals lined up on Carol, it's primary

01:51:44.060 --> 01:51:50.620
 goal is to carry traffic, so the goal defined in our mobility plan itself says that it's

01:51:50.620 --> 01:51:52.180
 an arterial.

01:51:52.180 --> 01:51:55.620
 So now you're contradicting your plans.

01:51:55.620 --> 01:52:01.660
 If we have to do that - so the best way of going around it is if we're defining this

01:52:01.660 --> 01:52:04.780
 urban core, let's work on the land use component.

01:52:04.780 --> 01:52:10.460
 If you change that, then you do not require the access and the freeways and the arterials

01:52:10.460 --> 01:52:13.980
 that are going in the areas that you don't want.

01:52:13.980 --> 01:52:19.260
 So that defines, okay, this area is different, it's not going to attract a whole lot of traffic,

01:52:19.260 --> 01:52:22.000
 you don't need a six lane facility here.

01:52:22.000 --> 01:52:24.720
 Let's get it down to a four lane.

01:52:24.720 --> 01:52:30.420
 Now we're talking about we have an extra width, we slow people down, we protect the bike lanes,

01:52:30.420 --> 01:52:31.660
 all that is a possibility.

01:52:31.660 --> 01:52:39.020
 So the best way of handling it is look at what are the uses, what kind of growth is

01:52:39.020 --> 01:52:43.340
 anticipated, and then how does our transportation system tie in.

01:52:43.340 --> 01:52:48.980
 That's how I look at it or we look at it as a big picture is currently that facility is

01:52:48.980 --> 01:52:50.420
 designed to carry people.

01:52:50.420 --> 01:52:55.440
 Bell is designed to carry people to TWU, to different destinations.

01:52:55.440 --> 01:53:02.780
 Now if I just go in and say everyone slow down and it's narrowed down to two lanes,

01:53:02.780 --> 01:53:07.380
 I will have some serious congestion in most of the streets every morning and evening.

01:53:07.380 --> 01:53:12.660
 And there will be a lot more outcry as opposed to two or four people, I'll have the whole

01:53:12.660 --> 01:53:15.660
 city at me saying what were you thinking.

01:53:15.660 --> 01:53:20.940
 So before we can do that we have to come up with a plan, we have to come up with a plan,

01:53:20.940 --> 01:53:22.580
 what is an alternative?

01:53:22.580 --> 01:53:27.500
 What are we changing, TWU as a destination, are we changing it to something else?

01:53:27.500 --> 01:53:30.920
 If we're not, are we providing an alternative route?

01:53:30.920 --> 01:53:35.900
 Are we putting in another facility that's separate, that does not co-mingle with the

01:53:35.900 --> 01:53:38.380
 core?

01:53:38.380 --> 01:53:44.460
 All that needs to be thought out as part of our mobility plan and we're embarking on updating

01:53:44.460 --> 01:53:45.460
 that pretty soon.

01:53:45.460 --> 01:53:48.540
 I think we'll hire a consultant pretty soon next month.

01:53:48.540 --> 01:53:54.060
 But these are all nice discussions that we can have at that plan because unless we come

01:53:54.060 --> 01:53:59.300
 up with a plan, we can't go in and say okay we're going to slow you down here immediately

01:53:59.300 --> 01:54:07.340
 because I think there is a big safety concern but when we designed it and we put it in place

01:54:07.340 --> 01:54:16.360
 and all these years the primary function of that particular facility was to run vehicles

01:54:16.360 --> 01:54:18.580
 up and down at a fast speed.

01:54:18.580 --> 01:54:20.540
 So there's no doubt that's the problem.

01:54:20.540 --> 01:54:21.540
 That is the problem.

01:54:21.540 --> 01:54:25.700
 I don't want to move vehicles on that block section and it's designed to do that.

01:54:25.700 --> 01:54:30.740
 It is designed functionally as well as in our mobility plan and so when you say I want

01:54:30.740 --> 01:54:37.980
 to slow down someone on Carroll I'm like it's a six lane divided facility that carries vehicles

01:54:37.980 --> 01:54:43.380
 and the whole idea is get the vehicles outside the downtown area and then let them move north

01:54:43.380 --> 01:54:49.340
 south so that they're not using Elm and Locust as their thoroughfares but they're keeping

01:54:49.340 --> 01:54:50.340
 to.

01:54:50.340 --> 01:54:51.420
 So it's like water.

01:54:51.420 --> 01:54:54.940
 If you reduce capacity somewhere you have to give it somewhere else and yes we have

01:54:54.940 --> 01:55:02.700
 to do a better plan, we have to do a better job in planning upfront before we go implement

01:55:02.700 --> 01:55:04.740
 some of these things.

01:55:04.740 --> 01:55:11.900
 Well I think the way we use Denton has changed dramatically just in the past maybe ten or

01:55:11.900 --> 01:55:20.100
 twelve years because and you know Carroll Boulevard is a barrier for me and I'm not

01:55:20.100 --> 01:55:28.140
 a frightened walker but Carroll is a barrier so people did not use to go, you're going

01:55:28.140 --> 01:55:31.140
 to stop me aren't you?

01:55:31.140 --> 01:55:32.140
 It's not in the agenda.

01:55:32.140 --> 01:55:34.260
 People used to go down to the square from UNT, that's a different persona, you didn't

01:55:34.260 --> 01:55:35.260
 know that was me.

01:55:35.260 --> 01:55:45.040
 No sorry if I don't stand up here I'll get yelled at by the TV guys but yeah I've kind

01:55:45.040 --> 01:55:48.620
 of let it go because I thought we were going to wrap it up but we're going to keep going

01:55:48.620 --> 01:55:55.260
 and we are not posted to fully discuss it so I'm going to have to cut it off sorry.

01:55:55.260 --> 01:55:58.180
 In general discussion ideas, that's tough.

01:55:58.180 --> 01:56:02.460
 We have to have specific topics to talk about.

01:56:02.460 --> 01:56:08.260
 Changing Carroll from an arterial.

01:56:08.260 --> 01:56:12.220
 That would be part of our mobility plan so definitely you're more than welcome to join

01:56:12.220 --> 01:56:29.580
 the mobility team.

01:56:29.580 --> 01:56:31.500
 You were trying to clean up the matrix.

01:56:31.500 --> 01:56:36.700
 I don't think we actually have to do anything to it.

01:56:36.700 --> 01:56:38.940
 No not officially.

01:56:38.940 --> 01:56:42.340
 We've got ideas for the next one.

01:56:42.340 --> 01:56:48.380
 Okay so is there anything else to add to the matrix?

01:56:48.380 --> 01:56:54.500
 All right then we will adjourn at 728.

01:56:54.500 --> 01:56:55.500
 Thank you.

01:56:55.500 --> 01:56:55.500
 Thank you.