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 to establish a speed limit along the newly constructed section of FM 2499 from interstate

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 is FM 2499. I'm just pulling up the map together. But as most of you know that 2499, the segment

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 south of I-35E where it was state school for the longest time, it was state school road

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 was recently widened and there was a new connection established between I-35E and all the way down

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 to FM 2181. I think the city limit is Corinth at that point. So this is the new segment

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 I'm talking about. So this is the new segment between I-35E all the way to 2181 and I think

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 our city limit is somewhere in this area where it ends. So typically what happens is once

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 a segment, text dot segment for example, similar to FM 2181 currently under widening or 377,

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 any new street that is widened, the most recently completed was 380. I got that item in front

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 of commission a while ago. I think it was middle of last year that this portion of 380

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 was widened. And then text dot typically once they do that or install a new facility like

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 in this case, they do a speed survey. What they do is they go out and start counting

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 how fast are the cars going and what's the comfortable speed on which these are traveling.

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 Are they traveling at a speed higher than what was designed? I think typically all these

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 design speeds are around between 45 and 55 miles an hour, especially for these straight

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 a report back to us for staff review at the city and they were recommending anything south

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 of Robinson be posted at 50 miles an hour. But when we looked at it, our main concerns

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 were there were several intersections, Hickory Creek and Special, and they were smaller.

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 I think Pine Hills comes in here. That's a smaller intersection. These are having some

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 serious concern about side distance. The turns and the horizontal and vertical curves are

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 so that vehicles cannot be seen when they're waiting at the intersection to get out onto

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 the main lanes. And currently one lane in the southbound direction on this particular

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 segment has been shut down by text dot because anyone that wants to get out cannot really

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 see any traffic that's coming southbound. So there have been a few accidents here. So

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 that one lane has been temporarily shut down until we widen Hickory Creek and then install

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 a signal. So that's the plan. It's in design currently. But based on all the accident statistics

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 and what we know about the area, we shot it back to text dot saying 50 miles an hour is

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 not going to work. We want it down to 45. Because south of this whole segment is 45.

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 North was 45. It didn't make any sense to have people speeding in people's backyards.

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 This is mostly residential. And we didn't want traffic, especially when you have access

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 points where people are going to slow down to be traveling at 50 miles an hour. So based

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 on that recommendation, they came back and they're now recommending 45 miles an hour

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 for the entire segment from 35 to FM 2181. And yes, we're part of that. We're currently

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 working on also fixing Hickory Creek, widening it and installing a signal. So that's happening.

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 This item pertains to the speed limit. Once we get a recommendation to move forward, we'll

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 take it to council. And once an ordinance is passed, we can actually go and post the

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 speed limit and enforce it. Currently we don't have any ordinances or anything to back us

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 up policy-wise to enforce any speed limits on this brand new piece of roadway. Any questions?

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 I drove it today and I was doing 50. We can't say that here. Well, there's no speed limit.

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 So I was talking to that and I was talking to Sergeant Briggs. He's one of our traffic

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 limit posted, they assume it to be 30 miles an hour because it's an unposted street. And

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 then they can actually take it. I was just having a discussion with him.

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 Yeah. So I'm like, yeah, I'm not going to do that. Go ahead. You had a question. Sorry.

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 Lesson learned. I was wondering about the lane that was closed. Would taking it to 40

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 One of the things that we really walk a fine line is, as you mentioned, if people are doing

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 it wouldn't really slow people down. It would be more a fan. How do you enforce something

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 that is not practical? Since 85% of your people are doing 45 miles an hour, then how do you

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 bring that many people down to 40 as opposed to being somewhere in the middle saying, "Okay,

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 45 miles is a comfortable speed limit. It is a speed limit that most of the streets

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 can be accessed in a safer manner." Then all of that is taken into picture. If we just

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 willy-nilly say that we're going to post 20 or 25 or 30, then it becomes a burden on

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 the officers on the enforcement aspect. Yes, no one's going to really adhere to it. If

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 you go south of this, there's 45. On the bridges, no one really goes 45. Everyone's 55 or 60

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 because there's no friction on the side. There's nothing on the side to tell you, "Yeah, you

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 the type of uses, the interaction, the spacing of driveways, access points, all of that counts

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 into what kind of speed you define and what's comfortable for most of the drivers. I'm fine

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 of 45 miles an hour to Council? I move that we do. Do we have a second? Second. 45 miles

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 an hour in this section, send it to City Council. Everyone in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed,

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 aye. Okay. Unanimous. All right. Perfect. All right. That gets us to 1C, which is TSC 19-003,

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 which is to receive a report, hold a discussion, and make recommendation to City Council regarding

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 the prohibition of electric scooters on city rights of way. Mark. Good evening, commissioners.

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 I'm Mark Oliphant. I'll be talking to you about this tonight. So electric scooters,

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 this is something just in the last, I'd say, 18 months to two years has really taken off

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 across the country. There are both electric scooter services, and they can be bought individually

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 and used by individuals, and I'm just going to talk about both aspects of e-scooters.

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 So here are some examples. On the right is a type that you find in the rental fleets.

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 This one's made by Spin, but you can also purchase very similar models individually.

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 On the left, these were available on Amazon and go for about $400 to $500. The scooters

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 typically go max out at about 15 miles an hour and are built for an adult. To talk about

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 the scooter share a little bit, it's like bike share. They're dropped off in cities,

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 put on sidewalks or different locations. People can come by with an app that's on their phone,

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 and they check out the scooter. Usually, it's about $1 to check it out, and then 25 cents

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 a minute or so beyond that. There are a lot of arguments that this is a good mobility

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 option for cities. It's simple, affordable, environmentally friendly, and the numbers do

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 pan out that it is very popular in many places, often 10 times more popular than bike share.

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 So these are headlines, just recent from different newspapers and so forth, leaving broken bones

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 the same issues. There have been enough injuries, and they've been popular enough across the

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 country that the Centers for Disease Control is actually they're working with the City

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 of Austin to specifically look into all this. I know also, as I've talked to the police

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 department about these, they're very concerned about mixing young college students, alcohol

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 and scooters, and really see the potential for disaster. So here are just some of the

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 differences. You think, "Well, hey, what's so different from a bike share bike or something?"

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 to the front than a bicycle. They have very squirrely steering or tight turning radiuses.

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 as much as they would on streets. When they mix with vehicular traffic, people don't know

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 how to do that. Then also, they are so simple to use, you just stand on it, that a different

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 demographic of people uses them versus those who might already know how to use a bicycle

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 and be familiar with it and so forth. So these are just some of the reasons that we run into

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 these problems. Talking about what the regulatory landscape is for this, and Trey can correct

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 me if anything's wrong here, but under the state code, municipalities have the option

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 to prohibit these types of things. It's up to the municipality, so that's in the code.

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 Some things that other cities are doing right now, we don't have a regulation currently.

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 Many other cities have allowed these but they're also dealing with the fallout of the injuries

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 and so forth. Fort Worth is the prominent nearby city that does not allow scooters.

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 a restriction currently just for the downtown area about bicycles and other toy devices

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 not being used on sidewalks, but otherwise there is no prohibition or anything. So the

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 policy options on it, right now there's not really any type of restrictions to your far

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 right there and your far left. You can have a prohibition and then there might be options

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 as far as dealing with scooter shares and so forth. There's something in between potentially.

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 Now this is a very important point I think is that because this is a college town with

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 lots of students around and so forth, I think it's important that the city be in harmony

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 in talking to the universities, neither university at this time has said that they are ready

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 inside of the campus other than mobility devices for ADA or something. And so that's a big

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 driver here too is the safety issues and then that the universities don't want them yet

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 be very difficult to regulate that. And then also they're very new and cities are figuring

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 out how to regulate them, where they're best operated and everything like that. So from

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 the perspective of traffic engineering, from our perspective, at this time we feel that

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 Denton is not ready to accommodate electric scooters. We'd like to see some more research

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 about it, some more information about safety, you know, once the CDC does their report and

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 study and so forth. And perhaps in the future it could be accommodated but at this time

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 we don't feel that Denton is ready for that. And so that's our recommendation to the commission.

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 companies from coming in? I'd say it's close to preemptive but there have been more than

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 two inquiries from scooter share providers. So this is running in parallel to real world

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 actions. And I know in many cities they will just show up overnight and put the scooters

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 regulate it. So on the scooters, like on a bike, you would have like a light in the front

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 and a light in the back, which is required. Hopefully the shared scooters do have that.

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 case with scooters. So I don't know. Okay. So we don't have anything that says that they

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 would have to have some sort of reflector, reflective device so that people can see them.

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 Right. That is, that's not a requirement like it is for bicycles. And so do we, do we allow

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 scooters on the road? Cause my first thought would they be on a sidewalk? Trey, you want

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 to help me? Are they toy devices currently? I think it's a little murky how currently

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 they're being regulated. Trelien's for deputy city attorney. I am not the city prosecutor,

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 so this is not my area of expertise. It's my understanding that vehicles are, it would

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 be considered a motor vehicle because it is not self-propelled. It does have a motor that

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 propels it. However, because it travels 15 miles an hour or less, it could fall under

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 the toy device prohibition that we currently have that is only covers the sidewalks and

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 they may, and again, this is not my area, but I would think that they might, would still

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 be questioned and possibly talked to about impeding traffic or something like that. But

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 us to kind of go with the universities for now. And the prohibition that's being proposed

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 is not against the companies and it's nothing, nothing against the businesses. It's against

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 to the park and rode them back. And I ride scooters all the time. Every city I go to,

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 dangerous. In fact, I find most of these cases to be, I find them to be blown out of proportion

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 because they're new. People find these injuries and I find every single thing that is being

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 brought up around scooters, I find happening with other things. Cars are more dangerous.

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 blocking sidewalks all the time. And so I found most of this just resistance to change.

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 there have been cases of broken bones and things like that, and that's a real concern.

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 have these gaps in the core right between UNT and the square, and that's a perfect scooter

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 distance. It's a perfect scooter distance for somebody jumping off of the DCTA who travels

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 that and taking it to one of those campuses. Now the problem is our streets, not the scooters

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 right now, that our streets are too dangerous. And so one thing, an argument a lot of people

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 much operate like bikes and are going to force us to start taking, if more and more people

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 start using them, will force us to start taking, making safe spaces for bikes and scooters

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 and alternative forms of transportation. Most people in scooters are not dumb enough to

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 say I'm just going to take this thing on Bell. I ride them in cities all the time. No one

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 rides them on dangerous roads because they're dangerous. What they do is they do against

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 violation in every other city, is they go on the sidewalks. It's just like we do with

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 bikes too in this city where people perceive the threat to be too dangerous, which is not

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 a good solution. We obviously should fix that. So I'm just personally would be against banning

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 point B and reduce time without having to jump in a car or a cab. So they really can

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 take traffic off of the road. So that's kind of the case for it. In areas like the square

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 where it's slower, it's just like a bike. It's easy to ride along the traffic. And they

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 don't go that fast. They go, I was riding a Lyme this weekend and it hit, topped out

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 like that. I would support the staff recommendation. They're gonna pass the ordinance tomorrow.

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 Do we allow them on street versus sidewalk? All these questions need to be addressed.

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 this sort of preemptive strike and get this in place. And then yes, we can still continue

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 places that can be used. And then yeah, we'll continue looking into it. We're not completely

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 saying that the city will never look at scooters, but we have to set up ourselves both legally

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 out in the hundreds of cities that they've been dropped off in already?

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 to say that you have people walking and then you have someone zoom by at 10 or 15 miles

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 Now, are we ready on the streets? No, because we don't have the infrastructure. So we need

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 picture mobility goals, and then slowly incorporate that. So it's not something that we want someone

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 test some of these. Of course, UNT and TW are big partners and we'll work with them

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 the bike share. And I know that the bike share provider that's currently permitted in the

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 city, they do also have a scooter program and that they are interested in educating

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 the city and the universities about it. So as an advocate for non-automobile modes of

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 transportation, it does pain me a little bit to say, "No, none of these." But I do see

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 that there is some logical arguments to be made for the city getting out in front of

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 this, saying we're not ready for it, the university and the city needs to get together

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 landing? Would that do what we want to do? Because banning sounds kind of, you know,

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 so if a city is, if a scooter company is looking at Denton and saying, we would like, oh, dang

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 it, there's a ban. Versus knowing that we have a moratorium while we are working through

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 a lot of kinks. Is there any difference between the two? Would a moratorium be a better solution

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 more of their use. So we're open to getting them talking.

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 UNT and TW as they go through the process of education and other pilot programs that

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 they're thinking about. So this, yeah, it sounds really bad to ban, but-

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 we've fixed our problems and now we're ready to entertain a company coming in?

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 I think the way that this is set up isn't like that though. The way that it's been proposed

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 is that it would be a city ordinance prohibiting the action of riding the scooter on the city

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 street or the sidewalk. So it's not really so much a set up as a temporary whatever.

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 a ticket for and receive a fine for. And then once it's decided that we've got a new plan

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 and would probably change to be putting in where you could ride a scooter. So there aren't

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 I think the process will be same. It won't be a long lengthen out. It's not like, well,

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 once a ban is placed, you can't go back. It's not that. It's more of, okay, now that we

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 know what we can do, we can start adding to the ordinance saying we're amending that ordinance

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 to allow usage on these routes or allow usage in this area. That's all we're doing.

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 Because I realize that this also affects people who do go on Amazon and buy themselves a cute

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 campus there. But they can also do it outside of the core to me. I guess one thing I'd say,

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 I've just seen these drop. It is chaos everywhere they get dropped. I've seen it when I've been

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 in cities when it happens. But it just settles in and either the city, you know, either bans

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 it or they keep it. And now it's just kind of a normal part of it. And I go to Oklahoma

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 every time I go. And they're, I just really enjoy them and see people riding them all

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 over the place. And it's made a lot of places more accessible. I'm just I guess the thing

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 that's unclear to me, I mean, I think sidewalks are banned. I think they're banned. I've never

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 seen a city where sidewalks aren't banned. It's so to me, I'm just unclear the things

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 that we have to clarify. They're available in the streets. And I mean, it would make

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 sense that they're available in the core. Like to me, I guess I'm just unclear how much

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 more research is needed for that. Seeing them dropped in other places. And people aren't

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 going to ride these out, you know, across 35 and stuff like that. So people generally

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 keep them only two places where they're rideable anyway. I guess I'm unclear. So what do we

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 what more research would we need to do if if they're banned on sidewalks in almost every

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 city and we kind of know that we just need to restrict we need to do research on which

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 streets they're allowed on? We need to work with the UNTNT. There are main users. I mean,

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 city is such we have one or two locations that they would even work in. But since UNTNT

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 that they are not on board, we'll wait and work through them to set a pilot program similar

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 to a bike share and see what areas work. And then once that happens, we'll bring in another

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 ordinance in agreement with UNT, similar to the bike share, through council saying, yeah,

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 these are the areas that we've decided to move forward. So it's more working by and

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 from those universities. Exactly. It's more working with them. Do you know the contact

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 is at UNT? Yes. Yeah, Dr. Clark, he would be the the top of the pyramid. Yeah. And then

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 I think Christopher Phelps. Clark and who? Christopher Phelps. Okay. And they're, what's

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 their capacity? I don't know. He's very happy. Yeah. Something up there. Christopher Phelps,

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 I think he's the director of transportation. Yep. Okay. You're on it. I want to say also,

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 I mean, we're thinking about the universities. What about high school students? Wouldn't

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 that be something that they might want to utilize if you if you're a high school student

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 and you don't want your mom to drive you to school and you don't have a car? Wouldn't

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 that be an option for liability issues? Most of the apps and the companies that I'm aware

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 of do limit them to users 18 and over. Now I know from being in cities with scooters

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 credit card or something. But typically from a legal standpoint, you're supposed to be

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 18 and over to use them. But so that's if you that's if you're well, I'm sorry. Right.

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 one from Amazon and their child could use it. I'm never I mean, honestly, I've never

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 seen anybody right in line. But I've actually seen one or two in town since Christmas. I

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 think we're right on the end of it. Yeah. Like three fourths up the dart. I've never

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 seen him make them all the way up here from Dallas. They're Dallas. They're all they're

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 all over Dallas. I write them when I go down there too. Yeah. What position is this going

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 to put the kid that got one for Christmas in? Because I see him in neighborhoods, you

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 know, sometimes rarely past that neighborhood. I think that we've already seen the bike dump

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 in Denton. And I think this is their the council's opportunity to try to get ahead of of the

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 scooter dump. Yes. And we are getting inquiries about from companies about what's the policy

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 with what does Denton's board? What do we need to do to get there? So we are getting

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 inquiries from quite a few firms. And I think council in one of their bike share work sessions,

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 the last one we did clearly stated that they want to not go that route the way we did with

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 bike share. So they want to do a preemptive and say, we want to do this and then figure

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 out our steps and move slowly. So I agree. Yes. And I know this is just off the top of

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 my head, but I know it in Stillwater at Oklahoma State University, they had a ban. We made

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 an agreement with the company and then reopen them on campus with a specific provider. Because

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 once they come in, it's correct. They just drop drop them in. And now I like it. But

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 I understand some of the concerns with it. But so there's a lot of precedents for cities

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 working through it and coming up with solutions. I've actually heard too, it's a selling point

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 for some university. Oh, absolutely. Incoming freshmen tell me, hey, we got scooters on

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 campus. And it's I would argue it's gonna be a huge economic boon because it will get

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 people traveling locally instead of jumping in their cars to go somewhere they may jump

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 on a scooter and go to the square as opposed to jumping in a car and going to, you know,

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 a chain that doesn't bring as much local dollars. Can this be passed with the recommendation

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 to mobility that this be looked into seriously for future planning? Yeah, we're definitely

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 going to work with the UN with the campuses. So definitely, we are going to be on this.

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 then we'll work with them definitely. I personally wouldn't want to be on one on these streets,

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 much less the sidewalks. Okay, so we need to make a recommendation. Somebody have a recommendation?

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 I will move that we accept the staff recommendation to ban scooters, the use of the scooters until

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 can give the city council an opportunity to to look at this a little further. Okay, we

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 do a second. I'll second. Okay. So everyone in favor of proceeding with the ban? Aye.

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 yay vote, because I think we need I think we need to have the discussion. And I'm hoping

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 that the ban does not then you know, you know, push potential companies from exploring Denton,

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 and that we don't say, Okay, that's done. Because I think they have a place. I would

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 agree. I'm willing to go with this. I agree with that sentiment and with Mark's that as

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 an active transportation advocate, it pains to make that kind of vote. But I've also been

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 following this issue for a while. And there's a lot of people, particularly with the ride

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 shares that just do not have the skills when they first get on one. And you can go on YouTube

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 and find all kinds of accidents. And head injuries are some of the big things that are

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 coming out of this. And for somebody to survive a head injury and the impairments that can

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 is viable. I would like to see it though. You know, happen. It's just that our streets

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 are so bad. Yeah. And with those small wheels, you know, it's hard to navigate. The one thing

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 I'd point out is riders are aware, trusted, like when you ride them on a bad street, you

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 has bumps, but you can go around them. They're not nearly as bad. Yeah. I mean, I agree it's

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 a concern. I just think it's, it's something that like there's, there's a little bit of

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 a danger to it. And if people ride them irresponsibly, there's more of a danger. It's just like a,

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 it's almost like a motorcycle in that sense that there's more of a danger. And I just,

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 I'm not sure that we can stop that. You know, if they come in, like, I think that risk is

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 always going to be part of it. And you hope people learn to be responsible, but training

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 a whole city how to do it is I think beyond what we can do. I'm sensitive to it. I just

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 don't know. I think the best thing we can do is build better bike lanes. Scooters can

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 ride in. So let's get, let's, let's move that up the agenda. Yeah. And it wouldn't be perfect

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 for downtown. Yeah. And Melissa's suggestion or comment about are there lights and reflectors

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 on them. That could be something that if a company is looking at Denton, I think they

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 do all, I think all the companies have, have little front lights and back. Yeah. It's just

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 the personal ones that may not the people, but all the company ones have pretty bright

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 lights on them. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. And moving on to one D TSC 19 dash zero zero

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 four, which is to receive a report and hold discussion regarding the U S three 80 street

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 lighting feasibility and photometric study. Pretend. All right. Good evening again. Uh,

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 safety and concerns on safety and, um, somehow we landed, um, lighting and this is something

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 I really wanted to bang forward. This, uh, item that was presented to council recently

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 a couple of them, I think a month ago, um, last December, uh, council meeting, we talked

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 that I talked about, uh, three 80 was widened between, uh, I 35, um, actually west of five

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 35 all the way through town and up until, um, U S 77 Locust and home. And it was widened

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 into a six lane facility. Typically when tech stock goes through that process, they don't

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 really focus on street lighting, no matter what section they don't pay for street lighting.

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 has to cough up the puns. So that's their policy. Currently you can see all the new

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 receiving, um, and, and so did staff. We started receiving a bunch of, um, concerns, complaints

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 about how dark it is with the six lane facility. It's super dark. There are a bunch of driveways.

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 You don't see people getting out of the driveway, just jumps in front of you. And then, uh, other

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 um, I 35 all the way to the other side of Louv, Mayhill. So I 35 in Mayhill, it's a

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 five point four mile stretch. It's quite some, quite a long segment. So we hired a consultant.

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 what type size, different types of street lights, what is required and then what, what

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 is the cost estimate going to be for lighting up the entire corridor? So we, we couldn't

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 do the survey of the entire stretch. It's 5.4 miles. So we picked two, um, pretty different,

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 corridor. So the first segment is about a hundred feet wide. It's in the commercial

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00:40:12,700 --> 00:40:18,580
 area between Bonnie Bray and I 35. This is right in front of a razor ranch. They looked

394
00:40:18,580 --> 00:40:24,220
 at this particular segment. They studied it, collected data and everything. Then they also

395
00:40:24,220 --> 00:40:29,860
 picked another segment, which is a combination of commercial and residential between Carol

396
00:40:29,860 --> 00:40:36,580
 and Bell. This is part, portion of it is a TWU. There are some houses here. There's a

397
00:40:36,580 --> 00:40:41,940
 retail on this side. So these two characteristic segments were picked. This one is a little

398
00:40:41,940 --> 00:40:48,180
 bit less wider. It's 80 feet wide. Uh, the commercial one was a hundred and then they

399
00:40:48,180 --> 00:40:55,140
 studied the existing conditions. So existing condition pretty much, there was no consistent

400
00:40:55,140 --> 00:41:03,340
 lighting. Anything, anything in blue is dark. Anything with the red is bright. So you can

401
00:41:03,340 --> 00:41:09,460
 see everything is dark along the segment and there is barely any lighting. There's no lighting

402
00:41:09,460 --> 00:41:15,420
 under the bridges on the loop. Um, there are some lights on the existing roadway network

403
00:41:15,420 --> 00:41:21,420
 that are not working. They're really, uh, older lights. It's high pressure sodium lights,

404
00:41:21,420 --> 00:41:26,740
 which are, uh, which generate a yellow hue. And then there are two 50 Watts, but pretty

405
00:41:26,740 --> 00:41:33,280
 low wattage for, for the width and the side of the street. And then the height is variable.

406
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:38,180
 The mast arms, the length of the arm that's projected out. It's also variable. Some of

407
00:41:38,180 --> 00:41:43,260
 them are really small. Some of them are long. So fairly inconsistent lighting throughout

408
00:41:43,260 --> 00:41:48,700
 the corridor. What are the standards? So in order to meet the continuous illumination

409
00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:57,060
 standards for a commercial area, it's 1.6 foot candles average per text out standards.

410
00:41:57,060 --> 00:42:04,140
 We're meeting 0.22. It's so poor. Same thing. If you go with a commercial residential, which

411
00:42:04,140 --> 00:42:11,500
 is a combination, the second segment, you have to be at least one point, excuse me,

412
00:42:11,500 --> 00:42:20,680
 have to be at least 1.2. We're at 0.29. So if you look at some of these numbers, I mean,

413
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:29,420
 it's pretty clear that there's no, um, continuous lighting. So what is required? They have proposed

414
00:42:29,420 --> 00:42:36,460
 a 400 watt bulb, which is an led. It doesn't take as much as, uh, energy that's required

415
00:42:36,460 --> 00:42:41,940
 for the sodium, high pressure sodium light. It's LED, so it's efficient. Uh, a 400 foot

416
00:42:41,940 --> 00:42:47,540
 at a 40 feet height with a mast arm, which projected out into the street for 12 feet.

417
00:42:47,540 --> 00:42:53,280
 And then for the commercial section, the spacing is 175 is recommended. And for the commercial

418
00:42:53,280 --> 00:43:01,500
 and residential makes is 275 spacing. With that, we can achieve some of these averages

419
00:43:01,500 --> 00:43:09,380
 above the minimum standards. So we're getting into 1.84 and 1.79. So this is what was recommended

420
00:43:09,380 --> 00:43:14,940
 by the, based on the design. Now, if you look at the whole stretch, it goes from a blue,

421
00:43:14,940 --> 00:43:21,740
 which is completely dark zero to an acceptable. If you look at the foot candles around here,

422
00:43:21,740 --> 00:43:29,220
 1.5 and 1.8 is what we're running closer to. So that's the, that's the 1.84 and 1.79 that

423
00:43:29,220 --> 00:43:35,180
 we're hitting throughout the corridor. Similarly, this is the other segment between Carol and

424
00:43:35,180 --> 00:43:41,900
 Bell. You see there's, uh, around the commercial area, you get a lot more. And then along the

425
00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:47,620
 residential and the campus area, it's a lot consistent. That means you'll continually

426
00:43:47,620 --> 00:43:56,020
 see the light, um, without hitting any dark spots. So this is another way of looking at

427
00:43:56,020 --> 00:44:04,340
 it. This is all dark. This is completely brightened up, just the same segment. Now, um, what is

428
00:44:04,340 --> 00:44:12,460
 the, at what cost? So the total cost for lighting up the 5.4 miles is a little over $5 million.

429
00:44:12,460 --> 00:44:20,260
 It's five and a quarter. So that's the cost that we took to council there, um, where we're

430
00:44:20,260 --> 00:44:26,180
 lighting up the commercial section is going to be that long and then the rest of it is

431
00:44:26,180 --> 00:44:35,960
 going to be, um, excuse me, combination residential and commercial. We were told by council to

432
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:41,900
 move forward. This is our tentative, um, schedule. If we move forward, they've asked us to look

433
00:44:41,900 --> 00:44:51,900
 into design and how we can start funding, at least get the design going. Excuse me.

434
00:44:51,900 --> 00:44:57,500
 So design is about six months and the cost is going to be half a million dollars. And

435
00:44:57,500 --> 00:45:04,940
 then we will, after that, look for cost for constructing or implementing the lighting.

436
00:45:04,940 --> 00:45:12,900
 Excuse me. There are options that we looked at. How can we fund this in bits and pieces?

437
00:45:12,900 --> 00:45:19,060
 There are several, for example, this particular area needs it more, especially it's a lot

438
00:45:19,060 --> 00:45:23,780
 more commercial, a lot more driveways, a lot of businesses and interaction. I think even

439
00:45:23,780 --> 00:45:30,740
 there are some pedestrians at this level. Same thing around Elm and Locust by the Kroger.

440
00:45:30,740 --> 00:45:35,940
 There's a lot of activity pedestrians. So we looked at different options. Phase one

441
00:45:35,940 --> 00:45:46,660
 is going to 1.2 million, phase two a half a million. So we made it out for council as

442
00:45:46,660 --> 00:45:54,980
 to, you know, different options and different things, um, along this corridor. We'll take

443
00:45:54,980 --> 00:45:59,260
 it back once the design is complete. We're going to design the whole thing and we'll

444
00:45:59,260 --> 00:46:04,420
 take it back for council which phases, or you want to fund the whole thing, what we

445
00:46:04,420 --> 00:46:11,500
 want to do. But this is the direction that we're going to move forward. Just to think

446
00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:17,520
 about project city, we're currently working on Bonnie Bray Mayhill and Hickory Creek West.

447
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:22,860
 We are going to start implementing street lights as part of these projects. So on city

448
00:46:22,860 --> 00:46:28,540
 projects you will start seeing street lights, but on other tech stop major corridors we

449
00:46:28,540 --> 00:46:35,900
 don't have that. So as I mentioned we don't have anything on 2499, 377, or 2981. And this

450
00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:41,500
 is the, these are the ballpark numbers for funding some of those projects depending on

451
00:46:41,500 --> 00:46:49,420
 their length. And so this is a bigger item I think needs to go to council for discussion

452
00:46:49,420 --> 00:46:55,580
 of how we're going to fund it. But as far as adding safety, I mean a little bit of light

453
00:46:55,580 --> 00:47:00,140
 adds a ton of safety, especially if you can see that one person that's in the crosswalk

454
00:47:00,140 --> 00:47:08,300
 that's crossing at night time. It does a lot. I mean even one person is way more than whatever

455
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:15,540
 numbers you can put here. So that's, eventually our goal is to get there. Right now we've

456
00:47:15,540 --> 00:47:21,740
 started with quarter 380, evaluated it. We're definitely incorporating lighting as part

457
00:47:21,740 --> 00:47:30,100
 of our, all of our city projects. And then also on top of these we've identified intersections

458
00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:37,780
 that need to be upgraded. The ones that were brought up in that meeting, Hickory and Carroll.

459
00:47:37,780 --> 00:47:42,580
 So yes we're moving in the right direction at least from the safety perspective. Any

460
00:47:42,580 --> 00:47:45,100
 questions particularly on 380? Yes?

461
00:47:45,100 --> 00:47:53,180
 What's the accidents and pedestrians, people being hit and all that, or the police stuff?

462
00:47:53,180 --> 00:47:59,580
 So there is a component that they looked at the accident, I don't have the exact numbers

463
00:47:59,580 --> 00:48:07,380
 on top of my head, but I think the accidents that are happening at the, how do you say,

464
00:48:07,380 --> 00:48:15,380
 at night time are not as that many compared to or as high, how do you say, in comparison

465
00:48:15,380 --> 00:48:21,140
 to the total activity of collisions, not a whole lot of percentages in the night time.

466
00:48:21,140 --> 00:48:28,220
 But yes we've started receiving complaining, complaints that if there is better lighting

467
00:48:28,220 --> 00:48:34,480
 it makes a better intersection and people will feel more safer. It's more of a safety

468
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:40,380
 from people's perspective than the collision data. So yes, I mean there is some, I can

469
00:48:40,380 --> 00:48:42,180
 give you the collision numbers but.

470
00:48:42,180 --> 00:48:48,060
 Well do you think, do you think you need more light where there's more growth, raise a ranch,

471
00:48:48,060 --> 00:48:51,100
 you know all that, that segment?

472
00:48:51,100 --> 00:49:00,580
 Yes definitely. We're no longer a small community, we are growing into an urban environment and

473
00:49:00,580 --> 00:49:05,900
 where I used to be before, majority of the urban corridors, like all the FM's, they

474
00:49:05,900 --> 00:49:12,060
 need to be lit up. Especially when a driver is driving or entering an urban environment,

475
00:49:12,060 --> 00:49:17,180
 the strain on his eyes is taken off if you have ambient lighting in the back, so he's

476
00:49:17,180 --> 00:49:23,300
 not too focused. And I think that should be, moving forward that should be our goal is

477
00:49:23,300 --> 00:49:30,340
 all the major highways in the city and a lot of these arterials and collectors need to

478
00:49:30,340 --> 00:49:36,780
 be looked at in a different perspective, get them lighted, get the strain out of drivers.

479
00:49:36,780 --> 00:49:42,100
 I understand that residential streets can remain at lower lighting levels and not so

480
00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:49,740
 much lighted up in someone's backyard or front yard, but all these arterials that actually

481
00:49:49,740 --> 00:49:56,580
 are designed to deliver vehicles and people from one place to the other, those need to

482
00:49:56,580 --> 00:50:01,300
 be lighted up, especially in the urban environment. Given that some of our street has 40,000,

483
00:50:01,300 --> 00:50:07,220
 50,000 vehicles a day loop and 380, we need to light them up.

484
00:50:07,220 --> 00:50:15,460
 I would agree, I was at McKinney in the loop during the holiday break and I remember watching

485
00:50:15,460 --> 00:50:21,300
 these two women cross the loop at that intersection and I was like how does anybody even see them?

486
00:50:21,300 --> 00:50:27,340
 See them, yes. Now I think that would be part of our McKinney project, we are definitely

487
00:50:27,340 --> 00:50:32,980
 designing that right now. So we're going to widen all the way from loop to the east end

488
00:50:32,980 --> 00:50:37,660
 of McKinney, Grissom, I think.

489
00:50:37,660 --> 00:50:43,940
 To clarify, was phase two, so did you say Hickory and Bell, it's along those streets

490
00:50:43,940 --> 00:50:45,280
 or between them?

491
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,940
 It's along 380.

492
00:50:47,940 --> 00:50:54,140
 But all the intersections will be upgraded, so they'll get extra lighting.

493
00:50:54,140 --> 00:51:06,220
 I know for phase two you could use better lighting from T.W. over toward Carroll, that's

494
00:51:06,220 --> 00:51:11,180
 pretty dark and there's a lot of student traffic there.

495
00:51:11,180 --> 00:51:16,500
 I think one of our focus and we're working closely with T.W. and their master plan is

496
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:26,560
 to get that area just north of 380 where they have that parking, this area.

497
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,380
 That parking lot, yes.

498
00:51:28,380 --> 00:51:34,860
 So particularly from Riddell all the way to Bell, get this, there is a sidewalk on the

499
00:51:34,860 --> 00:51:41,260
 south side very poorly lit and a lot of students don't really use that at night because it's

500
00:51:41,260 --> 00:51:48,100
 that poorly lit and that's one of our goals is how can we light it up so that it becomes

501
00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:54,920
 a better point or access for pedestrians, but at the same time I think T.W. is looking

502
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,300
 into punching another access here, they're thinking of it.

503
00:51:58,300 --> 00:52:03,420
 What's the sidewalk look, is the sidewalk have anything between it and 380 or is it

504
00:52:03,420 --> 00:52:04,420
 right along that?

505
00:52:04,420 --> 00:52:05,420
 No, it's right on the edge.

506
00:52:05,420 --> 00:52:07,820
 Oh, well, you're not going to feel safe no matter what.

507
00:52:07,820 --> 00:52:12,100
 That's where it runs me like, you know, stay.

508
00:52:12,100 --> 00:52:13,100
 Yeah.

509
00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:20,740
 I mean, if you go away from the bridge, this is fine, but when you get to the bridge, I

510
00:52:20,740 --> 00:52:30,740
 mean, there's no, it's constrained, but then it gets better here.

511
00:52:30,740 --> 00:52:35,820
 But still no like trees or anything behind, so you're just exposed psychologically.

512
00:52:35,820 --> 00:52:40,140
 I think that's pretty hard to walk along roads like that.

513
00:52:40,140 --> 00:52:48,300
 And you do have a lot of traffic, north and south on Bell, foot traffic and bicycle traffic.

514
00:52:48,300 --> 00:52:49,300
 Yes.

515
00:52:49,300 --> 00:52:50,900
 Because there's a lot of people that walk toward.

516
00:52:50,900 --> 00:52:57,100
 So in the interim, we are going to add lighting to that intersection particularly, so that

517
00:52:57,100 --> 00:52:59,100
 we don't wait for this phase two to go in.

518
00:52:59,100 --> 00:53:04,420
 We're just going to go in and upgrade the lighting at that intersection as far as the

519
00:53:04,420 --> 00:53:06,220
 crosswalks being lit up.

520
00:53:06,220 --> 00:53:17,020
 I think there's a couple of locations where it doesn't have an arm going up.

521
00:53:17,020 --> 00:53:23,620
 So I think this corner can definitely, there can be definitely an arm going this way to

522
00:53:23,620 --> 00:53:29,700
 light it up, either both ways actually, so that they have enough.

523
00:53:29,700 --> 00:53:36,820
 And then there's some overhead issues, but there's a light on this pole that they recently

524
00:53:36,820 --> 00:53:37,820
 installed.

525
00:53:37,820 --> 00:53:42,900
 I'm glad you have evidence of a cyclist there.

526
00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:47,500
 Depending on what view you're looking at, it's hilarious.

527
00:53:47,500 --> 00:53:55,140
 We'll always see the cyclist when we see that car and we don't see the cyclist again.

528
00:53:55,140 --> 00:53:56,140
 There he is.

529
00:53:56,140 --> 00:53:57,140
 He's made it almost.

530
00:53:57,140 --> 00:54:04,260
 So when we're talking about a 40 foot height on street lamps, how is that determined?

531
00:54:04,260 --> 00:54:12,860
 Okay, so that light that I'm looking at, TWU, the fancy light, on my left, how tall is that

532
00:54:12,860 --> 00:54:13,860
 light?

533
00:54:13,860 --> 00:54:19,140
 I believe it's somewhere between 20 and 25 feet.

534
00:54:19,140 --> 00:54:25,500
 This is between 30, I think this is about 30 feet, so it will be a little bit higher

535
00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:32,380
 than that, but then what happens is it gets diffused and it covers a larger area.

536
00:54:32,380 --> 00:54:38,660
 So that's the whole intent of going higher is that's more of how much can you spread

537
00:54:38,660 --> 00:54:47,380
 the same amount of light, and that's why you get an overlap in this.

538
00:54:47,380 --> 00:54:52,060
 So that's why you get that overlap at that height.

539
00:54:52,060 --> 00:54:58,780
 If you don't go at that height, then this area that is covered by each of this light

540
00:54:58,780 --> 00:55:02,660
 will reduce, so that's why.

541
00:55:02,660 --> 00:55:13,180
 And then they are spaced, so the spacing is 167, let me see exactly how much.

542
00:55:13,180 --> 00:55:21,500
 So 175 and 275 is between on one side of the street, so this is 175 or 275 and then 175.

543
00:55:21,500 --> 00:55:29,640
 So they are crossed out, so they are alternately spaced, that way you have...

544
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:36,820
 And is the city looking at specific lighting that would follow with the dark skies idea?

545
00:55:36,820 --> 00:55:40,860
 Are they going to be fully hooded?

546
00:55:40,860 --> 00:55:45,860
 So on these, yeah, they don't shine up to the sky, they're only focused on the street.

547
00:55:45,860 --> 00:55:54,860
 So they completely are forced to just, the light should only fall on the surface, not

548
00:55:54,860 --> 00:55:56,260
 even ambient on the side.

549
00:55:56,260 --> 00:56:01,380
 So there are places that they can be hooded, especially neighborhoods.

550
00:56:01,380 --> 00:56:06,140
 Some of these highways go behind someone's houses, so we make sure, like we installed

551
00:56:06,140 --> 00:56:10,500
 some new lighting at Robinson and 2499, the intersection.

552
00:56:10,500 --> 00:56:14,340
 We got some complaints initially and we had to hood some of the certain areas so that

553
00:56:14,340 --> 00:56:16,140
 it didn't reflect back in their backyard.

554
00:56:16,140 --> 00:56:17,140
 So yes.

555
00:56:17,140 --> 00:56:23,820
 Have you looked at the new lights that they're trialing on, Stewart and Bell?

556
00:56:23,820 --> 00:56:29,780
 Yes, so DME is trying out new lights and they need feedback, so any feedback from...

557
00:56:29,780 --> 00:56:31,820
 Okay, how are they different?

558
00:56:31,820 --> 00:56:37,140
 They're different levels from yellow to white, that's the easiest way to put it.

559
00:56:37,140 --> 00:56:38,140
 What type of light do you like?

560
00:56:38,140 --> 00:56:42,900
 Do you like on the yellow side or a little bit over the lighter side or the blue white?

561
00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:49,940
 It's how they define the Kelvin, 4,000 Kelvins are the white and then you get into 12,000

562
00:56:49,940 --> 00:56:55,340
 is the whitest, like a blue white almost, and then the rating goes down to, if you're

563
00:56:55,340 --> 00:57:00,740
 yellow, it's low, 1,000, 2,000 Kelvin.

564
00:57:00,740 --> 00:57:07,700
 I'm really interested in, obviously, lots of light, but only where it needs to be.

565
00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:14,700
 And I was even looking in the city of Austin development code to see if there were guidelines

566
00:57:14,700 --> 00:57:16,660
 because it's a little crazy.

567
00:57:16,660 --> 00:57:22,060
 You could just barely, barely in the outskirts of Austin and you practically cannot see the

568
00:57:22,060 --> 00:57:31,780
 city because of the lighting design, but when you're in Austin, it's extremely well lit,

569
00:57:31,780 --> 00:57:34,880
 but you're just barely outside and it disappears.

570
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,860
 I think we should shoot for that.

571
00:57:38,860 --> 00:57:45,060
 It's going to be hard with Fort Worth and Dallas right there, but I like that idea.

572
00:57:45,060 --> 00:57:52,900
 Go down to Dripping Springs, it's a dark skies city.

573
00:57:52,900 --> 00:57:59,020
 I think this item is just informational, so if you have any questions, let me know.

574
00:57:59,020 --> 00:58:03,800
 But I want to make sure you're aware that we're moving forward with some of the safety

575
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:08,700
 enhancements that are much needed for the city.

576
00:58:08,700 --> 00:58:10,740
 I think some of that needs to also extend.

577
00:58:10,740 --> 00:58:16,100
 I know right now we're looking at the major thoroughfares, but some of that needs to extend

578
00:58:16,100 --> 00:58:18,460
 into our older neighborhoods.

579
00:58:18,460 --> 00:58:20,340
 Yes, the arterials, yes.

580
00:58:20,340 --> 00:58:26,980
 I was walking down Linden the other day and didn't realize how much space there was between

581
00:58:26,980 --> 00:58:27,980
 lights.

582
00:58:27,980 --> 00:58:31,700
 It's a pretty wide street.

583
00:58:31,700 --> 00:58:36,420
 It's a wide street, people drive fast.

584
00:58:36,420 --> 00:58:40,620
 Anybody else have anything on this?

585
00:58:40,620 --> 00:58:41,700
 Thank you, Preetam.

586
00:58:41,700 --> 00:58:50,940
 That will move us on to 1E TSC 19-005, which is to receive a report and hold discussion

587
00:58:50,940 --> 00:58:56,460
 regarding Texas Department of Transportation on system projects in the Denton area to include

588
00:58:56,460 --> 00:58:59,260
 the 35 Express project.

589
00:58:59,260 --> 00:59:02,180
 Good evening.

590
00:59:02,180 --> 00:59:05,420
 I'm Tracy Beck with the transportation division.

591
00:59:05,420 --> 00:59:08,740
 And tonight, as you introduced, we're going to be talking a little bit about just one

592
00:59:08,740 --> 00:59:15,460
 of the projects, which is the I-35E project near Loop 288 Brinker and Mayhill.

593
00:59:15,460 --> 00:59:20,500
 Getting regular updates, we have a group called Innovative Transportation Solutions.

594
00:59:20,500 --> 00:59:21,900
 We may have worked with them before.

595
00:59:21,900 --> 00:59:22,900
 You may have worked with them before.

596
00:59:22,900 --> 00:59:26,660
 I've worked with them a lot, worked for them for one point in time.

597
00:59:26,660 --> 00:59:30,260
 And they provide some updates, and this is the current one that they've got is provided

598
00:59:30,260 --> 00:59:32,500
 in your packet.

599
00:59:32,500 --> 00:59:34,460
 They're running a little bit behind schedule.

600
00:59:34,460 --> 00:59:39,860
 They provide a month-to-month update and starting as of right now, they were looking to do a

601
00:59:39,860 --> 00:59:40,860
 lane switch.

602
00:59:40,860 --> 00:59:45,300
 But as it turned out, that lane switch is going to be postponed until next month, the

603
00:59:45,300 --> 00:59:49,380
 first week of February, second week of February, when the traffic switch is expected.

604
00:59:49,380 --> 00:59:53,940
 And this is for that I-35 project, giving you a little bit of background.

605
00:59:53,940 --> 00:59:57,900
 The plans were actually completed in August of 2016.

606
00:59:57,900 --> 01:00:03,620
 The letting date for that construction was in September of '22 with some utility relocations

607
01:00:03,620 --> 01:00:09,140
 handled in July of 2016, September 22nd in 2016, excuse me.

608
01:00:09,140 --> 01:00:11,660
 Let me correct all those dates.

609
01:00:11,660 --> 01:00:15,900
 I'm foggy in my head this evening, so I'll start all over again.

610
01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:19,700
 The plans were completed in August of 2016.

611
01:00:19,700 --> 01:00:24,980
 The environmental clearance was in May of 2016, and oops, excuse me.

612
01:00:24,980 --> 01:00:27,940
 >> Sorry, I just want to bring a map so that people know.

613
01:00:27,940 --> 01:00:30,460
 >> Oh, that'll be great while I step aside.

614
01:00:30,460 --> 01:00:33,140
 The right-of-way acquisition was done in July.

615
01:00:33,140 --> 01:00:36,860
 The 100% plans were done in August, so that was about three years ago, two and a half

616
01:00:36,860 --> 01:00:38,780
 years ago.

617
01:00:38,780 --> 01:00:42,420
 The complete date is July of 2019.

618
01:00:42,420 --> 01:00:46,120
 So we're just around the corner from that, but I do believe that that date has changed

619
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:50,620
 a smidge because of the weather that we've had.

620
01:00:50,620 --> 01:00:56,580
 What they're referring to is the entire project had 442 working days, which is about 17 months

621
01:00:56,580 --> 01:00:59,260
 of work, so it's been moving quite quickly.

622
01:00:59,260 --> 01:01:05,540
 They're in what they're calling the phase one of step two configuration, and they believe

623
01:01:05,540 --> 01:01:09,140
 that this current phase that we're driving in right now is going to maintain until the

624
01:01:09,140 --> 01:01:13,300
 2019, February 2019.

625
01:01:13,300 --> 01:01:22,020
 They're working with OHL, the contractor, to expedite the brinker portion of the project.

626
01:01:22,020 --> 01:01:30,380
 And the funding for information is about $2.1 million for this project.

627
01:01:30,380 --> 01:01:35,420
 The activities that they're working on right now, the high needed project activities are

628
01:01:35,420 --> 01:01:41,340
 more of the walls that you see at loop 288 and 35.

629
01:01:41,340 --> 01:01:44,000
 What they're going to be proposing to work on in the next month, you're going to see

630
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,820
 more of the work along the temporary shoring along the brinker road.

631
01:01:47,820 --> 01:01:58,660
 They have a wall construction that they're going to be building.

632
01:01:58,660 --> 01:02:08,500
 Checking for anything more valuable for tonight.

633
01:02:08,500 --> 01:02:10,280
 That's going to apologize for the silence.

634
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:15,020
 That's going to complete pretty much the update, is that we're just within about a month from

635
01:02:15,020 --> 01:02:20,180
 seeing some traffic switching and probably about summers when they anticipate to be completed

636
01:02:20,180 --> 01:02:22,020
 for that project.

637
01:02:22,020 --> 01:02:26,300
 I drug that out for a long time, mumbling through some dates.

638
01:02:26,300 --> 01:02:28,060
 I appreciate your patience with that.

639
01:02:28,060 --> 01:02:31,740
 I read them out of order thinking that that wasn't the order I planned on.

640
01:02:31,740 --> 01:02:35,100
 So just a quick backup as to why we're presenting this.

641
01:02:35,100 --> 01:02:43,260
 There was a request from commission and members about what is going on with the 35th project,

642
01:02:43,260 --> 01:02:48,820
 how long is it going to go, what's the status, and what do we expect.

643
01:02:48,820 --> 01:02:51,660
 So there are three interchanges they're working on.

644
01:02:51,660 --> 01:02:53,700
 They're done with the Mayhill.

645
01:02:53,700 --> 01:02:59,380
 All it was was they were going to put a U-turn in there on the southbound direction at Texas

646
01:02:59,380 --> 01:03:04,140
 U under the bridge at Mayhill in state school.

647
01:03:04,140 --> 01:03:09,780
 The second, the remaining two are, one is the interchange at Brinker.

648
01:03:09,780 --> 01:03:15,020
 That's a connection to the Buckeyes, and then the other one is Loop 288 upgrading the whole

649
01:03:15,020 --> 01:03:16,540
 interchange.

650
01:03:16,540 --> 01:03:25,420
 So what Tracy presented was a quick schedule of where they're at, and they're not going

651
01:03:25,420 --> 01:03:27,300
 to be done until July.

652
01:03:27,300 --> 01:03:33,500
 July is what they're telling us, but it's not probably, it's going to move on all the

653
01:03:33,500 --> 01:03:36,340
 way to towards the end of fall.

654
01:03:36,340 --> 01:03:39,340
 That's what we're thinking, realistically.

655
01:03:39,340 --> 01:03:45,540
 But I think they're going to shift the northbound traffic to the northbound side of the bridges.

656
01:03:45,540 --> 01:03:53,060
 So Loop 288 on the closer to the mall side, and then Brinker closer to the city side,

657
01:03:53,060 --> 01:04:00,100
 not the Buckeyes side, is both of those bridge segments are getting ready to be completed.

658
01:04:00,100 --> 01:04:06,020
 And from a traffic perspective, once those new lanes are open, that will relieve a lot

659
01:04:06,020 --> 01:04:07,500
 of congestion and traffic.

660
01:04:07,500 --> 01:04:12,100
 Right now we're really working off of the old infrastructure, but once the new is in

661
01:04:12,100 --> 01:04:19,060
 place and you have a go over, I think it's, traffic is going to be much better once the

662
01:04:19,060 --> 01:04:20,060
 switch happens.

663
01:04:20,060 --> 01:04:21,060
 I think it's February.

664
01:04:21,060 --> 01:04:22,060
 February.

665
01:04:22,060 --> 01:04:24,060
 It was supposed to have been this week, actually.

666
01:04:24,060 --> 01:04:27,460
 The information that we got in was a little bit dated, and they said it's switching the

667
01:04:27,460 --> 01:04:28,460
 second week.

668
01:04:28,460 --> 01:04:31,180
 And I said, that doesn't look like it's switching today.

669
01:04:31,180 --> 01:04:33,600
 And they came back and they said, nope, that was last month's report.

670
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,660
 So I think the weather has put them a little bit behind.

671
01:04:36,660 --> 01:04:41,780
 So once that switch happens, I think the traffic will ease down a little bit as far as congestion,

672
01:04:41,780 --> 01:04:48,380
 but we're still going to be under construction until almost the end of fall.

673
01:04:48,380 --> 01:04:49,380
 That's the update.

674
01:04:49,380 --> 01:04:52,180
 I think that's the last segment of 35.

675
01:04:52,180 --> 01:04:57,100
 Once that is completed, 35 will technically be completed.

676
01:04:57,100 --> 01:05:01,100
 Of course, Citi has other projects that we're going to pursue, and I think we're going to

677
01:05:01,100 --> 01:05:07,740
 come back with the Mayhill project that's going to redo the interchange anyways.

678
01:05:07,740 --> 01:05:13,220
 But for now, I think we'll be done with the 35 widening that started three, four, five

679
01:05:13,220 --> 01:05:14,220
 years ago.

680
01:05:14,220 --> 01:05:15,220
 Yeah, back then.

681
01:05:15,220 --> 01:05:18,220
 So I got a question.

682
01:05:18,220 --> 01:05:19,220
 It's close.

683
01:05:19,220 --> 01:05:24,220
 If I'm going down Colorado and I take a ride on Brinker to go to Bucky's, how long is it

684
01:05:24,220 --> 01:05:25,220
 going to, when's that going to happen?

685
01:05:25,220 --> 01:05:30,140
 So that's our next project.

686
01:05:30,140 --> 01:05:35,180
 We have a -- you see that curve that comes in?

687
01:05:35,180 --> 01:05:47,540
 So our next project, currently our Mayhill project ends around here, our widening.

688
01:05:47,540 --> 01:05:56,540
 So we'll pick it up here, and we'll have a bridge go over the DCTA track, and possibly

689
01:05:56,540 --> 01:06:00,520
 this interchange or intersection will be reconfigured as part of that.

690
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:05,020
 If we can quickly come down and manage the grade, we will.

691
01:06:05,020 --> 01:06:07,780
 If we have to redo some of that, we will.

692
01:06:07,780 --> 01:06:10,820
 But this is going to go away.

693
01:06:10,820 --> 01:06:15,980
 So we'll no longer have a at-grade crossing at DCTA.

694
01:06:15,980 --> 01:06:21,980
 This street will be straightened out to just continue on this way, and then Mayhill actually

695
01:06:21,980 --> 01:06:25,460
 will divert off and connect here.

696
01:06:25,460 --> 01:06:26,620
 That's the next project.

697
01:06:26,620 --> 01:06:29,420
 It's currently under design.

698
01:06:29,420 --> 01:06:34,580
 We're still -- I think the funding has been secured, but we're going to have a bridge

699
01:06:34,580 --> 01:06:35,580
 over.

700
01:06:35,580 --> 01:06:40,740
 We're going through the property acquisition part or condemnation part at this point.

701
01:06:40,740 --> 01:06:47,420
 But this project will be our next, and then following that, we'll continue upgrading this

702
01:06:47,420 --> 01:06:50,180
 infrastructure because the pavement is pretty bad.

703
01:06:50,180 --> 01:06:51,180
 It's in bad shape.

704
01:06:51,180 --> 01:06:53,180
 We'll upgrade that.

705
01:06:53,180 --> 01:06:58,300
 And then the next project, which will begin design -- I think Tech Start is hiring someone

706
01:06:58,300 --> 01:07:04,020
 to design -- is upgrading this whole interchange, similar to what we did with the loop.

707
01:07:04,020 --> 01:07:08,520
 This will be completely redone to tie into our project.

708
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:14,860
 So this interchange and then Mayhill connection all the way to 380 as a widened street will

709
01:07:14,860 --> 01:07:24,060
 be really a relief for traffic along the loop.

710
01:07:24,060 --> 01:07:27,900
 So this takes a lot longer.

711
01:07:27,900 --> 01:07:33,380
 I mean, it's a stop sign, and then there is a signal that people sit at.

712
01:07:33,380 --> 01:07:39,260
 But once this connection comes in, this intersection will be improved, and then ultimately this

713
01:07:39,260 --> 01:07:43,980
 interchange will so that there will be a lot more people going through the interchange,

714
01:07:43,980 --> 01:07:46,540
 reducing the delay.

715
01:07:46,540 --> 01:07:51,740
 This probably project is two, three, four years ahead.

716
01:07:51,740 --> 01:07:56,100
 This is probably the next year or so we should be able to get under construction.

717
01:07:56,100 --> 01:08:00,620
 >> So Buckies is still going to have to take the service road to get in the front entrance?

718
01:08:00,620 --> 01:08:03,780
 >> Yes, so this is a separate interchange.

719
01:08:03,780 --> 01:08:08,540
 Buckies still has to go through here, make that -- it will be signalized at both these

720
01:08:08,540 --> 01:08:15,240
 intersections to get in and out that project of their site.

721
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:21,500
 And the signals will probably be the last thing to go in, so it won't happen until towards

722
01:08:21,500 --> 01:08:23,860
 the end of fall, most likely.

723
01:08:23,860 --> 01:08:24,860
 >> Of this year?

724
01:08:24,860 --> 01:08:33,140
 >> Yes, of this year.

725
01:08:33,140 --> 01:08:34,140
 >> Okay.

726
01:08:34,140 --> 01:08:35,140
 >> All right.

727
01:08:35,140 --> 01:08:36,140
 Anybody have anything else?

728
01:08:36,140 --> 01:08:37,580
 Thank you.

729
01:08:37,580 --> 01:08:47,620
 That brings us to our last item, which is 1FTSC19-007, which are the staff reports, the matrix,

730
01:08:47,620 --> 01:08:49,780
 and the street construction report.

731
01:08:49,780 --> 01:08:50,820
 >> Awesome.

732
01:08:50,820 --> 01:08:56,580
 So this is something new that we added, and we wanted to make sure that, you know, members

733
01:08:56,580 --> 01:08:58,480
 are aware.

734
01:08:58,480 --> 01:09:05,700
 Every week we have a street construction report go out to the public, and it's published as

735
01:09:05,700 --> 01:09:09,900
 an attachment to the Friday packet for council reading.

736
01:09:09,900 --> 01:09:14,300
 We thought it might not be a bad idea to bring it forward, and, you know, if you have any

737
01:09:14,300 --> 01:09:21,540
 questions, if there are any particular concerns, this would be a good way to start some of

738
01:09:21,540 --> 01:09:24,980
 the projects, or even push some information out there.

739
01:09:24,980 --> 01:09:31,220
 I think a lot of times people contact you as members saying, "Hey, what's happening

740
01:09:31,220 --> 01:09:32,220
 in my neighborhood?"

741
01:09:32,220 --> 01:09:35,860
 Or, "This street, some sign showed up on my door.

742
01:09:35,860 --> 01:09:36,940
 What's going on?"

743
01:09:36,940 --> 01:09:43,340
 So this is a quick way of, okay, this is an upcoming project, or it's a current project,

744
01:09:43,340 --> 01:09:45,540
 and they're, you know, laid out.

745
01:09:45,540 --> 01:09:49,660
 I think current projects are in the front, and then as you move forward, they'll tell

746
01:09:49,660 --> 01:09:51,820
 you what the upcoming projects are.

747
01:09:51,820 --> 01:09:53,700
 It makes it a better communication tool.

748
01:09:53,700 --> 01:09:57,580
 You can push out more information saying, "Hey, you know, it's going to be under construction

749
01:09:57,580 --> 01:10:00,140
 for three weeks.

750
01:10:00,140 --> 01:10:04,140
 If you have any -- if you need any information, you can just let us know.

751
01:10:04,140 --> 01:10:06,620
 We'll pull the right people in and get you."

752
01:10:06,620 --> 01:10:13,220
 But this is something that we've started not advertising, but pushing out more at different

753
01:10:13,220 --> 01:10:18,460
 levels and platforms that just make it better for everyone.

754
01:10:18,460 --> 01:10:19,460
 That's the first.

755
01:10:19,460 --> 01:10:20,460
 And then --

756
01:10:20,460 --> 01:10:21,460
 So I have a question.

757
01:10:21,460 --> 01:10:22,460
 I was looking at it.

758
01:10:22,460 --> 01:10:23,460
 Yes.

759
01:10:23,460 --> 01:10:28,100
 Like, there -- on Scripture, for instance, between Thomas and Ector, there's an Atmos

760
01:10:28,100 --> 01:10:34,660
 utility relocation, and currently, Scripture is all torn up, and there's little stakes

761
01:10:34,660 --> 01:10:36,860
 all over the place.

762
01:10:36,860 --> 01:10:43,100
 Will there be -- will that just be simply road-related, or will there be -- is there

763
01:10:43,100 --> 01:10:49,020
 potential sidewalk, since everything is torn up on Scripture right now?

764
01:10:49,020 --> 01:10:53,040
 So there are two different elements.

765
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:58,580
 It is -- when a street is -- I know how I've talked to you about this, but when a street

766
01:10:58,580 --> 01:11:06,220
 is looked at, or when we look at the reconstruction or rehabbing a street, what we're looking

767
01:11:06,220 --> 01:11:08,540
 at is a maintenance activity.

768
01:11:08,540 --> 01:11:15,000
 So within the curb-to-curb, we do not touch the curbs and gutters, but within that, we

769
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:20,720
 remove all the asphalt, redo the whole segment, so it's more of a maintenance.

770
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:26,340
 So when we went to the bond committee and through the bond elections, we said, "These

771
01:11:26,340 --> 01:11:27,820
 are the streets that we need to maintain.

772
01:11:27,820 --> 01:11:29,200
 We don't have money."

773
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:30,300
 And they allocated money.

774
01:11:30,300 --> 01:11:34,800
 So when we defined what the project was, it was defined within the curb and gutter.

775
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:36,940
 We won't touch anything else.

776
01:11:36,940 --> 01:11:40,380
 The minute you touch something else, it becomes a bigger project.

777
01:11:40,380 --> 01:11:47,300
 Just to give you a quick example, some of these projects, some of the older neighborhoods,

778
01:11:47,300 --> 01:11:52,180
 the right-of-way is against the curb, or some of the right-of-way is very close.

779
01:11:52,180 --> 01:11:55,460
 I mean, literally a couple feet from the curb.

780
01:11:55,460 --> 01:12:00,540
 So the minute we say we want to put a sidewalk, then it becomes a big issue of right-of-way,

781
01:12:00,540 --> 01:12:04,940
 easements, acquisition, all of that.

782
01:12:04,940 --> 01:12:11,540
 Everything that has to do with right-of-way is at a start, at a minimum, three-month process,

783
01:12:11,540 --> 01:12:17,100
 and at a regular panned out, it's about a year, just to go through the legal process

784
01:12:17,100 --> 01:12:21,740
 of noticing people, making sure that they understand what their rights are, making sure

785
01:12:21,740 --> 01:12:27,100
 that this is just an easement versus we're acquiring the right-of-way and all that.

786
01:12:27,100 --> 01:12:34,620
 So sidewalks are typically capital projects, long answer short.

787
01:12:34,620 --> 01:12:38,780
 And this is more of a maintenance project, and we try to keep them separate because they

788
01:12:38,780 --> 01:12:40,540
 do become involved.

789
01:12:40,540 --> 01:12:48,820
 You know I had to ask, that's what I do.

790
01:12:48,820 --> 01:12:52,460
 Any questions on the street reports, I mean, if there are any specific ones, we can take

791
01:12:52,460 --> 01:12:56,460
 it back and we can give you specific answers, but this is a start.

792
01:12:56,460 --> 01:13:02,580
 I don't want to make, you know, put you under the gun or anything right now, like give me

793
01:13:02,580 --> 01:13:07,580
 some questions, but it's just a start that anytime you see anything that pops out that

794
01:13:07,580 --> 01:13:15,340
 doesn't really look well or has not happened or what's happening in my front yard, let

795
01:13:15,340 --> 01:13:16,540
 me know.

796
01:13:16,540 --> 01:13:20,180
 We can get more information.

797
01:13:20,180 --> 01:13:27,860
 So getting to my favorite topic, the matrix.

798
01:13:27,860 --> 01:13:35,540
 All right, so the first item, comprehensive downtown parking plan.

799
01:13:35,540 --> 01:13:39,460
 That will follow the Oak Gateway parking.

800
01:13:39,460 --> 01:13:44,700
 I think there are some recommendations according to the Oak Gateway and then I think I've talked

801
01:13:44,700 --> 01:13:45,700
 to planning.

802
01:13:45,700 --> 01:13:50,500
 They'll start looking into how to update the downtown comprehensive plan as part of that.

803
01:13:50,500 --> 01:13:55,580
 I'm not sure if we want to continue keeping it here, but it was something that was brought

804
01:13:55,580 --> 01:13:59,780
 up previously and they wanted to continue, I'll leave it up to Petrice if she wants to

805
01:13:59,780 --> 01:14:02,300
 continue with it.

806
01:14:02,300 --> 01:14:05,700
 I'm trying to clean up the matrix because this matrix is kind of getting longer and

807
01:14:05,700 --> 01:14:11,780
 longer and I'd rather have it, you know, quick ones that we can really knock out in some

808
01:14:11,780 --> 01:14:12,780
 of the long term.

809
01:14:12,780 --> 01:14:13,780
 I don't have a lot of investment in that one.

810
01:14:13,780 --> 01:14:14,780
 Gosh, that's five years old.

811
01:14:14,780 --> 01:14:15,780
 Five years old.

812
01:14:15,780 --> 01:14:16,780
 What are we doing?

813
01:14:16,780 --> 01:14:17,780
 Oh, geez.

814
01:14:17,780 --> 01:14:18,780
 History lessons.

815
01:14:18,780 --> 01:14:19,780
 Yeah, so.

816
01:14:19,780 --> 01:14:32,100
 All right, but there are some alternative parking solutions that were brought up as

817
01:14:32,100 --> 01:14:37,940
 part of the Oak Gateway, so we can definitely look into that and how we can implement it

818
01:14:37,940 --> 01:14:40,940
 in the downtown area.

819
01:14:40,940 --> 01:14:49,220
 Mingo Road sidewalks, now this is something that we are working with TW as I mentioned.

820
01:14:49,220 --> 01:14:56,660
 We had a recent meeting December in which they said that they are willing to provide

821
01:14:56,660 --> 01:15:06,500
 us some kind of support and even right of way or a non-cash option to help us fund the

822
01:15:06,500 --> 01:15:09,260
 traffic study and understand the closure.

823
01:15:09,260 --> 01:15:14,860
 And part of that was what can we do along Mingo and how can we open up our current golf

824
01:15:14,860 --> 01:15:18,860
 course area by the trees and ways to install.

825
01:15:18,860 --> 01:15:23,180
 So yes, this is still a project and it will continue being a project.

826
01:15:23,180 --> 01:15:27,260
 I'm not sure if we want to leave the date in there.

827
01:15:27,260 --> 01:15:30,660
 It's almost a year and a half, over a year.

828
01:15:30,660 --> 01:15:35,660
 Or do we want to refresh the dates and say, yeah, this is, I mean, it is happening.

829
01:15:35,660 --> 01:15:41,660
 We can bring back whenever we get to TW, you can bring updates, but not sure if that needs

830
01:15:41,660 --> 01:15:42,660
 to stay.

831
01:15:42,660 --> 01:15:50,220
 >> Yeah, if you're talking and you're feeling good about it, we can move out.

832
01:15:50,220 --> 01:15:52,420
 >> I'm feeling good about a lot of things.

833
01:15:52,420 --> 01:15:58,740
 >> I was going to say, so number three here, the Fort Worth Drive at Collins, yeah, since

834
01:15:58,740 --> 01:16:03,700
 we're working on, with the small area plan.

835
01:16:03,700 --> 01:16:09,380
 >> Yeah, so I think part of that traffic study does recommend improvements at that intersection.

836
01:16:09,380 --> 01:16:10,380
 >> Yeah.

837
01:16:10,380 --> 01:16:13,940
 >> And it'll fix these left turn issues at that intersection.

838
01:16:13,940 --> 01:16:19,340
 So when UNT decides that, hey, let's close down some of these streets, then part of that

839
01:16:19,340 --> 01:16:23,180
 discussion will be, then implement new lanes here.

840
01:16:23,180 --> 01:16:26,980
 And we'll get money from UNT to do that.

841
01:16:26,980 --> 01:16:32,900
 So maybe yes, we can take it off.

842
01:16:32,900 --> 01:16:33,900
 >> First of the year.

843
01:16:33,900 --> 01:16:39,060
 >> I just, yeah, new books, I want to clean it up.

844
01:16:39,060 --> 01:16:44,100
 So next is number four, Northside Hickory near break.

845
01:16:44,100 --> 01:16:47,860
 Now this is, we're looking into the feasibility of putting the ramps in.

846
01:16:47,860 --> 01:16:53,580
 We do have some funds available.

847
01:16:53,580 --> 01:16:58,020
 One of the concerns is how far do we have to do the sidewalks to make it AD compliant.

848
01:16:58,020 --> 01:17:06,820
 The sidewalk is not AD compliant and the driveway is in, so part of that is do we have to reconstruct

849
01:17:06,820 --> 01:17:13,020
 the whole driveway because the driveway portion is really not more than 2%.

850
01:17:13,020 --> 01:17:17,960
 And then if that's going to be that expensive, then is it a feasible project with the limited

851
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:19,060
 funds that we have.

852
01:17:19,060 --> 01:17:22,220
 So we're looking into that.

853
01:17:22,220 --> 01:17:28,420
 I'm okay to keep it up because I don't have an answer that says we're doing it now.

854
01:17:28,420 --> 01:17:29,420
 That's why.

855
01:17:29,420 --> 01:17:31,380
 >> Which business is that?

856
01:17:31,380 --> 01:17:38,900
 >> It's right in front of, what's the breakfast place there now, right by the theater, yeah,

857
01:17:38,900 --> 01:17:43,220
 upper park, yeah, right if you go just west.

858
01:17:43,220 --> 01:17:47,220
 That direction, that driveway, there's just two curbs, so if you're in a wheelchair, strollers,

859
01:17:47,220 --> 01:17:48,220
 anything.

860
01:17:48,220 --> 01:17:53,860
 >> And I'm pretty sure this will be brought up by the new ADA compliance committee.

861
01:17:53,860 --> 01:17:54,860
 I think it's going to council.

862
01:17:54,860 --> 01:17:55,860
 >> The disability committee.

863
01:17:55,860 --> 01:17:58,820
 >> The disability committee that's going to council next.

864
01:17:58,820 --> 01:17:59,820
 >> Tomorrow.

865
01:17:59,820 --> 01:18:03,700
 >> Yeah, I think it is tomorrow for nominations.

866
01:18:03,700 --> 01:18:10,500
 They can, I think they're a better platform to bring these up, and we, earlier today we

867
01:18:10,500 --> 01:18:15,460
 just met Val, I'm not sure if you've met him, but he's applied to be on the committee, so

868
01:18:15,460 --> 01:18:20,620
 he's aware of a bunch of stuff, and he's like, yeah, we'll start pointing out things, and

869
01:18:20,620 --> 01:18:24,740
 we'll take it to city manager and council and see how they want to fund it, but that

870
01:18:24,740 --> 01:18:30,180
 would be a better platform to push some of these.

871
01:18:30,180 --> 01:18:33,840
 >> The reason I've targeted that one, too, is because it's the only spot along that whole

872
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:39,260
 street like that, so if we fix that, then we have a fully continuous street you can

873
01:18:39,260 --> 01:18:46,020
 use a wheelchair on, parkway down the street, whatever you want.

874
01:18:46,020 --> 01:18:49,620
 >> So station motor is the next one.

875
01:18:49,620 --> 01:18:56,540
 >> We are following up with enforcement, I think initially they started moving it, now

876
01:18:56,540 --> 01:19:01,460
 they're back, so when they were told by enforcement, they moved it, and there was some clearance,

877
01:19:01,460 --> 01:19:06,980
 so we got the sidewalk opened up, then after that, they started parking, I think Becky

878
01:19:06,980 --> 01:19:12,140
 is working with enforcement to make sure that they continually, I mean, we've also given

879
01:19:12,140 --> 01:19:16,460
 them an option if we want to paint it, paint a line for them to really restrict them to

880
01:19:16,460 --> 01:19:23,780
 park beyond, but our first stop is enforcement, we'll see how it works.

881
01:19:23,780 --> 01:19:29,660
 That area is really where it comes to right-of-ways, it's convoluted, it's hard to establish a

882
01:19:29,660 --> 01:19:35,660
 right-of-way without a survey, spending thousands of dollars to make sure that we tie in every

883
01:19:35,660 --> 01:19:42,300
 aspect, so we don't want to get into the legal aspect yet, we want to see what we can do

884
01:19:42,300 --> 01:19:47,880
 up front, because that's going to be a long drawn, and it won't get us anywhere.

885
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:51,700
 >> Lines would help the pedestrians too, because one of the biggest problems is it's unclear

886
01:19:51,700 --> 01:19:55,500
 where you're supposed to walk, except walk out into the street, and we know that's where

887
01:19:55,500 --> 01:19:58,140
 the traffic, the speed really picks up for cars coming off the street.

888
01:19:58,140 --> 01:20:02,460
 >> No, I think that's our next step, is once enforcement starts doing that, we'll just

889
01:20:02,460 --> 01:20:06,940
 let them know that we're going to come in and strike where your lines are.

890
01:20:06,940 --> 01:20:17,860
 >> Temporary improvements to Hickory for bike lanes until the project is complete.

891
01:20:17,860 --> 01:20:25,660
 So this one is more of while the project is under design, just a section between Welch

892
01:20:25,660 --> 01:20:26,660
 and Carroll?

893
01:20:26,660 --> 01:20:32,220
 >> Yeah, just right now the road is really bumpy, just rode it on the way here, and when

894
01:20:32,220 --> 01:20:36,220
 at night it's completely dark, so you don't see the bumps if you're on a bike, unless

895
01:20:36,220 --> 01:20:39,300
 you have a light on your bike, which some people do and some don't.

896
01:20:39,300 --> 01:20:43,780
 But for pedestrians too, it just is really dark in spots along that, so just something,

897
01:20:43,780 --> 01:20:46,700
 I'm worried about injuries in that area.

898
01:20:46,700 --> 01:20:54,460
 >> Okay, so as far as, do you want, I mean, temporary improvements, do you want markings

899
01:20:54,460 --> 01:20:55,460
 on the pavements?

900
01:20:55,460 --> 01:21:00,060
 I mean, I'm just trying to, what's the best way, you can't really help the bumps.

901
01:21:00,060 --> 01:21:04,220
 >> Yeah, I don't, well, I think the lighting is the first issue, right, because even if

902
01:21:04,220 --> 01:21:07,020
 the road's bad, at least you can see that it's bad.

903
01:21:07,020 --> 01:21:08,020
 That's the one concern.

904
01:21:08,020 --> 01:21:12,340
 Now, because if you ride in that bike lane, you know, what's left of it, you're avoiding

905
01:21:12,340 --> 01:21:17,900
 things kind of all the time, and so people can still avoid it if they're riding it once

906
01:21:17,900 --> 01:21:18,900
 the sun goes down.

907
01:21:18,900 --> 01:21:23,740
 I ride, I'm pretty shifty on my bike, and I feel like I'm about to go down, like half

908
01:21:23,740 --> 01:21:31,640
 the way in the middle where there's no lights, it's, it's, and I've hit like big concrete

909
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:33,900
 things that get stuck in the bike lane, you don't see them.

910
01:21:33,900 --> 01:21:38,020
 I've hit those before and amazingly, like, sort of not gone down, so it's just, it's

911
01:21:38,020 --> 01:21:39,020
 a concern.

912
01:21:39,020 --> 01:21:44,220
 I don't know, I think a light would help temporarily, I mean, how long till that part of Hickory

913
01:21:44,220 --> 01:21:46,780
 is fixed and the bike lane is restored to some kind of initial--

914
01:21:46,780 --> 01:21:51,540
 >> Yeah, we're under design, I think the primary design aspect is lighting.

915
01:21:51,540 --> 01:21:56,820
 We're adding lights in that segment, and that's why we had to go and redesign it.

916
01:21:56,820 --> 01:22:01,260
 Initially, it was, as I mentioned, it was just a maintenance project between the curb

917
01:22:01,260 --> 01:22:02,260
 and curb.

918
01:22:02,260 --> 01:22:06,400
 Now, between Welch and Carroll, this new segment, we're doing lights.

919
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:12,300
 We're doing those historical type of lighting on the north side.

920
01:22:12,300 --> 01:22:16,380
 On the south side, there is lighting, but on the north side, there is nothing.

921
01:22:16,380 --> 01:22:24,900
 And we're moving the curb, we're redoing the drainage, we're, the design, I think, should

922
01:22:24,900 --> 01:22:27,580
 be completed later in the summer.

923
01:22:27,580 --> 01:22:34,580
 So we are scheduled to get to construction sooner, but we're designing light where there

924
01:22:34,580 --> 01:22:35,940
 is no light currently.

925
01:22:35,940 --> 01:22:42,500
 So it's kind of hard to have a temporary lighting situation where there's nothing right now.

926
01:22:42,500 --> 01:22:47,740
 And as far as markings, what we can do is put down tabs.

927
01:22:47,740 --> 01:22:54,940
 I mean, when a street is in construction, they typically have tabs that follow their

928
01:22:54,940 --> 01:22:57,660
 little pieces of plastic that stick out.

929
01:22:57,660 --> 01:23:00,220
 And they do help at night a lot.

930
01:23:00,220 --> 01:23:05,460
 So what we can do is put tabs, some of those, so that they become reflectors and show the--

931
01:23:05,460 --> 01:23:06,460
 Along the bike lane?

932
01:23:06,460 --> 01:23:07,460
 Along the lane.

933
01:23:07,460 --> 01:23:11,620
 That way, you know exactly, this is your bike lane and these are your travel lanes.

934
01:23:11,620 --> 01:23:13,100
 So the street's being repaved?

935
01:23:13,100 --> 01:23:14,100
 Is that correct?

936
01:23:14,100 --> 01:23:15,100
 The street will be repaved completely.

937
01:23:15,100 --> 01:23:17,260
 As the same time the lights are going in?

938
01:23:17,260 --> 01:23:18,260
 Exactly.

939
01:23:18,260 --> 01:23:19,260
 Okay.

940
01:23:19,260 --> 01:23:20,260
 Everything will be redone that same.

941
01:23:20,260 --> 01:23:25,500
 On a side question on that is the-- 'Cause on parts of that lane, we actually have the

942
01:23:25,500 --> 01:23:31,460
 bike lane is fully green painted, but a lot of other areas, we have the bike lane without

943
01:23:31,460 --> 01:23:32,460
 green paint.

944
01:23:32,460 --> 01:23:33,500
 What's the policy?

945
01:23:33,500 --> 01:23:38,060
 So the green paint was only to show the conflict areas.

946
01:23:38,060 --> 01:23:41,520
 That was our intent for the green plane.

947
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:45,780
 Because the right turn was shifted and the bike lane was supposed to shift and get into

948
01:23:45,780 --> 01:23:52,300
 the middle, that's why that whole area was green initially to identify this is a conflict

949
01:23:52,300 --> 01:23:53,300
 area.

950
01:23:53,300 --> 01:23:58,980
 Cars and bikes can commingle and exchange or going back and forth.

951
01:23:58,980 --> 01:24:01,380
 There's no intent to completely paint it green.

952
01:24:01,380 --> 01:24:07,680
 I think initially it was more of a educational effort for people to understand.

953
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:13,220
 We may do a little bit different on that particular approach at Carroll.

954
01:24:13,220 --> 01:24:21,260
 We may, since the bike lane is I think between six and eight feet wide, we may have a buffered

955
01:24:21,260 --> 01:24:26,920
 bike lane with six feet in the middle and two feet on either side that would help actually

956
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:30,060
 isolate the bike lane and looks like a bike lane.

957
01:24:30,060 --> 01:24:34,560
 People right now, it didn't really feel like-- So we might have some minor changes based

958
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:41,580
 on just what we've learned, but ultimately it'll be a better product.

959
01:24:41,580 --> 01:24:47,060
 Is it a cost issue for doing green paint on other bike lanes in that area?

960
01:24:47,060 --> 01:24:49,380
 No, not necessarily a cost issue.

961
01:24:49,380 --> 01:24:51,020
 It's more of a maintenance.

962
01:24:51,020 --> 01:24:55,540
 You put it once in a year and a half, it's gone.

963
01:24:55,540 --> 01:24:57,060
 It's pretty bad out there.

964
01:24:57,060 --> 01:25:00,180
 The thermo and the paint doesn't last.

965
01:25:00,180 --> 01:25:08,860
 With the conditions in Dallas, we go there and typically we have to replace thermoplastic

966
01:25:08,860 --> 01:25:10,940
 at a latest every four years.

967
01:25:10,940 --> 01:25:13,620
 It's pretty bad every four years.

968
01:25:13,620 --> 01:25:17,140
 Typically it lasts only for the first two years, then it starts fading off.

969
01:25:17,140 --> 01:25:20,300
 It starts blackening out, chipping away.

970
01:25:20,300 --> 01:25:25,700
 So typically we'll have to do green paint every two years if that's who we decide to

971
01:25:25,700 --> 01:25:26,980
 go with.

972
01:25:26,980 --> 01:25:32,620
 But if we go with more of an educational effort where initially we put it in and say, this

973
01:25:32,620 --> 01:25:36,380
 is where you have to follow and then people start following, we don't have to really maintain

974
01:25:36,380 --> 01:25:37,380
 the green paint.

975
01:25:37,380 --> 01:25:39,640
 We just have to maintain the other paint.

976
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:45,820
 That's much more easier for us.

977
01:25:45,820 --> 01:25:50,860
 All right.

978
01:25:50,860 --> 01:25:57,060
 So poor signage in Welch, yes, we identified there were two intersections where it drops

979
01:25:57,060 --> 01:26:00,300
 and we're going to start installing some of the signage in there.

980
01:26:00,300 --> 01:26:03,660
 We've asked to put that on the schedule.

981
01:26:03,660 --> 01:26:11,780
 So if you can remind me, we'll go back to Terry.

982
01:26:11,780 --> 01:26:18,860
 The quarterly report, we are planning on bringing that PD report for collisions in our April

983
01:26:18,860 --> 01:26:20,340
 meeting.

984
01:26:20,340 --> 01:26:27,620
 So that way we get every three months or every six months we have an idea.

985
01:26:27,620 --> 01:26:32,980
 But what we're going to plan on doing is we're going to take last year's full data, 2018,

986
01:26:32,980 --> 01:26:39,420
 and what intersections have the most collisions and then the types of collisions.

987
01:26:39,420 --> 01:26:46,340
 Are they pedestrian oriented, bike oriented, or even if it's a side swipe, head on, what

988
01:26:46,340 --> 01:26:48,020
 type of collision?

989
01:26:48,020 --> 01:26:54,860
 And then our goal eventually is going to be what are the fixes that we can do.

990
01:26:54,860 --> 01:27:00,460
 We have started looking at some of our intersections and done similar things.

991
01:27:00,460 --> 01:27:06,260
 Last year we applied for highway safety improvement program funds from TxDOT and federal government

992
01:27:06,260 --> 01:27:10,340
 to fix a couple of our intersections.

993
01:27:10,340 --> 01:27:16,180
 I think we applied for Kings Row at Loop 288 and then McKinney at Loop 288.

994
01:27:16,180 --> 01:27:20,440
 And there are a couple more intersections on McKinney west of the Loop.

995
01:27:20,440 --> 01:27:27,620
 So we applied for funds, we received funding, I think it's about a million dollars, to upgrade

996
01:27:27,620 --> 01:27:33,100
 all these intersections starting this year, 2019 and 2020.

997
01:27:33,100 --> 01:27:37,140
 So we're going in that direction as part of this.

998
01:27:37,140 --> 01:27:42,860
 We'll start presenting some of the issues, we'll come up with solutions, and then if

999
01:27:42,860 --> 01:27:51,180
 the committee recommends we'll move forward and apply for funding to get it fixed.

1000
01:27:51,180 --> 01:27:55,940
 I think number nine we can take it off, I think no curve on Elm and Mulberry.

1001
01:27:55,940 --> 01:28:04,060
 I think we put in paint at that corner on Mulberry.

1002
01:28:04,060 --> 01:28:14,940
 That removes me entirely from the matrix.

1003
01:28:14,940 --> 01:28:16,220
 Really?

1004
01:28:16,220 --> 01:28:22,020
 We're addressing your comments or concerns more faster than anyone, see?

1005
01:28:22,020 --> 01:28:25,420
 I think that's what it is.

1006
01:28:25,420 --> 01:28:33,540
 There's no bias here, zero.

1007
01:28:33,540 --> 01:28:38,180
 Request more information on MUSE, I think we talked to their project manager, he's going

1008
01:28:38,180 --> 01:28:40,780
 to come in next month.

1009
01:28:40,780 --> 01:28:44,780
 So we're planning on bringing a whole, I think they're doing workshops and they're doing

1010
01:28:44,780 --> 01:28:50,380
 some community and public meetings right now, but he's going to bring a whole item next

1011
01:28:50,380 --> 01:28:55,860
 month, so we'll get a better update.

1012
01:28:55,860 --> 01:29:00,180
 Interaction in areas with higher amount of collision, yes, that's review and discuss,

1013
01:29:00,180 --> 01:29:12,060
 that would be part of our PD report.

1014
01:29:12,060 --> 01:29:17,220
 Yeah that one, that one's tough, I looked at it.

1015
01:29:17,220 --> 01:29:20,660
 Yeah because of the way that intersection is set up.

1016
01:29:20,660 --> 01:29:23,020
 Were you talking about mine?

1017
01:29:23,020 --> 01:29:24,340
 Yes, Welch and Eagle.

1018
01:29:24,340 --> 01:29:30,820
 So I think there is a, if we pull it back, there is a site issue with pedestrians crossing

1019
01:29:30,820 --> 01:29:38,500
 on the other side, but there was something, we can pull it back, I think a couple feet.

1020
01:29:38,500 --> 01:29:42,540
 We just need the one lane, we don't need the right lane.

1021
01:29:42,540 --> 01:29:45,940
 Okay, so you want it stacked.

1022
01:29:45,940 --> 01:29:53,440
 If you're going, I got that bus and I'm trying to make a left hand turn, you just need the

1023
01:29:53,440 --> 01:29:54,940
 left lane.

1024
01:29:54,940 --> 01:30:02,140
 But I'm a bus driver, got a 35 foot bus, so we're talking about Welch and Eagle, I come

1025
01:30:02,140 --> 01:30:09,560
 up out of the union and I have to take a left to go to Colorado, and so I stay back because

1026
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:14,260
 somebody over here could be another bus, could be a pickup, they got to come in and take

1027
01:30:14,260 --> 01:30:21,140
 a left off Eagle, and they make an S turn, they don't make an L turn.

1028
01:30:21,140 --> 01:30:28,420
 So they're crossing the line, and people have a propensity just to go out even beyond the

1029
01:30:28,420 --> 01:30:36,460
 white stripe that's there now, but when I'm coming the other way, coming up Eagle to take

1030
01:30:36,460 --> 01:30:43,780
 a right to get onto Welch, and they're sticking out over that line, I have to swing way out

1031
01:30:43,780 --> 01:30:49,340
 to the left and then try to make an L turn with that bus coming back in.

1032
01:30:49,340 --> 01:30:57,740
 Sometimes even have to block both lanes until that person leaves or backs up or whatever.

1033
01:30:57,740 --> 01:31:04,220
 So what I'm saying is you move that lane, that left lane, back, that white stripe back.

1034
01:31:04,220 --> 01:31:09,340
 So you're talking about just this one lane go back here, but then this remains here?

1035
01:31:09,340 --> 01:31:10,340
 Yeah.

1036
01:31:10,340 --> 01:31:16,580
 Because my whole concern of pulling that back was an issue, but we have to just have this

1037
01:31:16,580 --> 01:31:21,600
 as one lane, I don't have an issue.

1038
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:23,940
 Yeah we can pull it back a few feet.

1039
01:31:23,940 --> 01:31:30,340
 See, because that curb cut on the left hand side on the corner there, that sticks out

1040
01:31:30,340 --> 01:31:31,340
 because of the handicap.

1041
01:31:31,340 --> 01:31:32,580
 So you're making this right?

1042
01:31:32,580 --> 01:31:34,900
 Yeah, I'm making that right in there.

1043
01:31:34,900 --> 01:31:38,900
 And then if this is back here, that way it gives you enough space to turn.

1044
01:31:38,900 --> 01:31:39,900
 Right.

1045
01:31:39,900 --> 01:31:44,860
 Isn't Welch also going to go on a road diet?

1046
01:31:44,860 --> 01:31:45,860
 Yes.

1047
01:31:45,860 --> 01:31:47,060
 So there wouldn't be two lanes coming in.

1048
01:31:47,060 --> 01:31:48,060
 Right.

1049
01:31:48,060 --> 01:31:58,460
 So part of our thing was this would go away anyways, but I'd say it's a quick fix.

1050
01:31:58,460 --> 01:31:59,460
 Doesn't need to wait that long.

1051
01:31:59,460 --> 01:32:00,460
 What about the stop bar?

1052
01:32:00,460 --> 01:32:06,560
 Yeah, stop bar in the left lane for the southbound left.

1053
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:17,620
 Just say southbound left to the stop bar, so there are two items we need to stop to carry.

1054
01:32:17,620 --> 01:32:23,580
 If you can fix that, I'm off the matrix.

1055
01:32:23,580 --> 01:32:24,580
 Wow.

1056
01:32:24,580 --> 01:32:25,580
 Joining me.

1057
01:32:25,580 --> 01:32:26,580
 That's right.

1058
01:32:26,580 --> 01:32:27,580
 Out there in the hinterlands.

1059
01:32:27,580 --> 01:32:28,580
 No, you still have parking.

1060
01:32:28,580 --> 01:32:29,580
 I still have some parking out there, yeah.

1061
01:32:29,580 --> 01:32:36,100
 We're in the, almost in the hinterlands.

1062
01:32:36,100 --> 01:32:40,260
 So on number 13, we are looking at protected bike lanes.

1063
01:32:40,260 --> 01:32:44,660
 I think part of our Windsor project is going to be protected bike lanes.

1064
01:32:44,660 --> 01:32:50,420
 We're also working with the UNT to add protected bike lanes on Highland.

1065
01:32:50,420 --> 01:33:00,960
 So that's a project that's coming pretty soon on Highland between, I forget the name.

1066
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:11,520
 How will the cars park in the bike lane if we block it?

1067
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:20,380
 Nice graphic that you had, Mark.

1068
01:33:20,380 --> 01:33:24,460
 The best part of that is because the bike lane goes contrary to traffic.

1069
01:33:24,460 --> 01:33:31,300
 They all park it and then you have to go head on into traffic on your bike to get by.

1070
01:33:31,300 --> 01:33:34,300
 So it's a good spot for a protected one.

1071
01:33:34,300 --> 01:33:43,980
 So we're on Highland between Avenue C all the way to Welch.

1072
01:33:43,980 --> 01:33:51,380
 This whole segment is going, actually Avenue D, no Avenue C. This whole segment is going

1073
01:33:51,380 --> 01:33:57,980
 to have a protected bike lane, two way protected bike lane on the north side, which will be

1074
01:33:57,980 --> 01:34:03,500
 12 feet wide with a buffer, delineators, no one touching the bike lane.

1075
01:34:03,500 --> 01:34:10,860
 On the south side, we'll have two lanes going through and a loading zone all along the south

1076
01:34:10,860 --> 01:34:11,860
 side.

1077
01:34:11,860 --> 01:34:12,860
 Wow.

1078
01:34:12,860 --> 01:34:13,860
 Nice.

1079
01:34:13,860 --> 01:34:20,840
 So that anyone that wants to stop, stop, drop people off, do not touch the bike lanes.

1080
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:25,500
 And it works because there's very few access points on the north side.

1081
01:34:25,500 --> 01:34:29,740
 So I think these two and these are the only access points on the north.

1082
01:34:29,740 --> 01:34:35,260
 That way people trying to get out are looking at both directions and I mean slowly kids

1083
01:34:35,260 --> 01:34:40,760
 will get used to it that want to cross across, but the cars are the ones that are major issue

1084
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:46,140
 when they are leaving and entering the driveways, they're not anticipating bikes from both directions.

1085
01:34:46,140 --> 01:34:52,940
 So that's why this was a perfect area for the bikes to be on the north side.

1086
01:34:52,940 --> 01:34:54,740
 So that's the plan.

1087
01:34:54,740 --> 01:34:55,740
 He had a nice sketch.

1088
01:34:55,740 --> 01:34:57,260
 It would have been nice.

1089
01:34:57,260 --> 01:35:02,140
 What's the timeline for that?

1090
01:35:02,140 --> 01:35:04,580
 We can't get the material.

1091
01:35:04,580 --> 01:35:08,940
 There's going to be rain for the next two, three weeks, but we're hoping to, when we

1092
01:35:08,940 --> 01:35:13,180
 talked to UNT, we were hoping to get it done before UNT and the classes started, but it's

1093
01:35:13,180 --> 01:35:18,020
 not going to happen given the rain, but in the next month or so we should have something

1094
01:35:18,020 --> 01:35:19,020
 down there.

1095
01:35:19,020 --> 01:35:21,460
 I'm going to ride up and down that every day.

1096
01:35:21,460 --> 01:35:23,660
 Even when you don't have to.

1097
01:35:23,660 --> 01:35:24,660
 I know.

1098
01:35:24,660 --> 01:35:30,140
 We'll get you right from my building to that little vegan cafeteria.

1099
01:35:30,140 --> 01:35:31,140
 I know.

1100
01:35:31,140 --> 01:35:35,380
 I mean there was no point having the loading area and the bike lanes and people are going

1101
01:35:35,380 --> 01:35:39,020
 to stop anyways, so just give them a place to stop.

1102
01:35:39,020 --> 01:35:40,020
 Makes sense.

1103
01:35:40,020 --> 01:35:41,020
 That was the idea.

1104
01:35:41,020 --> 01:35:44,460
 Now they can shut down that Instagram post.

1105
01:35:44,460 --> 01:35:48,220
 It was all about the Highland.

1106
01:35:48,220 --> 01:35:49,540
 And you said Windsor also?

1107
01:35:49,540 --> 01:35:50,540
 Yeah.

1108
01:35:50,540 --> 01:35:57,620
 If we can take that item out, that would be ... Do we have clay completely off?

1109
01:35:57,620 --> 01:35:58,620
 No.

1110
01:35:58,620 --> 01:35:59,620
 Oh, man.

1111
01:35:59,620 --> 01:36:00,620
 All right.

1112
01:36:00,620 --> 01:36:05,140
 We still have ankle.

1113
01:36:05,140 --> 01:36:08,580
 Okay, okay.

1114
01:36:08,580 --> 01:36:11,140
 So we got the request for update on 35.

1115
01:36:11,140 --> 01:36:19,540
 We presented that item.

1116
01:36:19,540 --> 01:36:20,540
 Number 14.

1117
01:36:20,540 --> 01:36:21,540
 Yeah.

1118
01:36:21,540 --> 01:36:31,020
 On number 15, yeah, that's another place, the 88 ramp.

1119
01:36:31,020 --> 01:36:41,180
 [ Inaudible ]

1120
01:36:41,180 --> 01:36:47,700
 And then the timing of signals on the square in coordination with pedestrian access.

1121
01:36:47,700 --> 01:36:49,420
 So just a quick update.

1122
01:36:49,420 --> 01:36:56,140
 We met with Val, as we mentioned, and then we also met Council Member Armenter, and we

1123
01:36:56,140 --> 01:36:58,020
 talked about options.

1124
01:36:58,020 --> 01:37:00,300
 We have options in mind.

1125
01:37:00,300 --> 01:37:03,100
 There are several things we're going to do.

1126
01:37:03,100 --> 01:37:08,140
 Currently the pedestrian phase starts a couple seconds before the green on the same side

1127
01:37:08,140 --> 01:37:09,140
 starts.

1128
01:37:09,140 --> 01:37:17,060
 So if you're traveling on Hickory, if you're crossing Locust or Elm, the green signal for

1129
01:37:17,060 --> 01:37:21,300
 the vehicle shows up a couple seconds after the pedestrian signal hits.

1130
01:37:21,300 --> 01:37:25,820
 What we're going to do is add more timing to the pedestrian, so we're going to start

1131
01:37:25,820 --> 01:37:28,900
 at four seconds before the green for the vehicle.

1132
01:37:28,900 --> 01:37:33,460
 That way they're already in the middle of the crosswalk as opposed to just barely starting.

1133
01:37:33,460 --> 01:37:36,660
 Better targets.

1134
01:37:36,660 --> 01:37:37,660
 That would help.

1135
01:37:37,660 --> 01:37:42,540
 Put a full recall pedestrian, which means you don't really necessarily have to hit the

1136
01:37:42,540 --> 01:37:43,540
 button.

1137
01:37:43,540 --> 01:37:45,540
 You just show up and it starts.

1138
01:37:45,540 --> 01:37:49,940
 So that would help, because a lot of times the frustration is you get into a point where

1139
01:37:49,940 --> 01:37:53,220
 you hit the button when the cycle's already going, and then you have to wait through the

1140
01:37:53,220 --> 01:37:58,140
 whole cycle for all the -- you don't have to do that, even if you show up no matter

1141
01:37:58,140 --> 01:37:59,140
 what time.

1142
01:37:59,140 --> 01:38:04,180
 One of the phases will throw you, whichever starts gets you going on the pedestrian phase.

1143
01:38:04,180 --> 01:38:07,180
 So we're going to put that in there.

1144
01:38:07,180 --> 01:38:10,860
 And we're adding some signage yield to pedestrian signage at the square.

1145
01:38:10,860 --> 01:38:15,500
 So that's what we're going to do, and I think that should address a lot of these.

1146
01:38:15,500 --> 01:38:17,860
 I think the frustration is we sat through the frustration.

1147
01:38:17,860 --> 01:38:23,020
 We sat at one corner waiting for the signal to go and it didn't go, because we barely

1148
01:38:23,020 --> 01:38:29,740
 missed the timing by one second or two seconds, so this should be addressed before the next

1149
01:38:29,740 --> 01:38:31,740
 time we meet.

1150
01:38:31,740 --> 01:38:32,740
 All right.

1151
01:38:32,740 --> 01:38:37,420
 Any more things to -- I just wanted to clean up the matrix.

1152
01:38:37,420 --> 01:38:39,780
 Any more things you want to add, talk about?

1153
01:38:39,780 --> 01:38:42,300
 >> I've got two quick things.

1154
01:38:42,300 --> 01:38:45,460
 One may just be a question that doesn't actually go in the matrix.

1155
01:38:45,460 --> 01:38:51,660
 So I brought this up with my councilman, Hutzpeth, and he said he would look into it.

1156
01:38:51,660 --> 01:38:56,060
 I'm not sure if he has to, but the bike share that we have, VeoRide, which my understanding

1157
01:38:56,060 --> 01:38:58,820
 is there's -- is there a contract with the city?

1158
01:38:58,820 --> 01:38:59,820
 >> Yes.

1159
01:38:59,820 --> 01:39:03,780
 >> And so one of my understandings is that when they sign that contract, that part of

1160
01:39:03,780 --> 01:39:08,340
 the understanding was that they would have bikes available by DCTA somewhere in that

1161
01:39:08,340 --> 01:39:12,380
 area and -- >> I think Mark can address that.

1162
01:39:12,380 --> 01:39:13,380
 >> Yeah.

1163
01:39:13,380 --> 01:39:14,380
 >> All right.

1164
01:39:14,380 --> 01:39:15,380
 Yep.

1165
01:39:15,380 --> 01:39:16,380
 I'll address this.

1166
01:39:16,380 --> 01:39:19,180
 So there's not a contract between the city and VeoRide.

1167
01:39:19,180 --> 01:39:20,180
 There's a permit.

1168
01:39:20,180 --> 01:39:23,740
 There is a contract between VeoRide and DCTA.

1169
01:39:23,740 --> 01:39:31,400
 There has been a request for bikes to be available there at the station here in town.

1170
01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:34,820
 I know that they are talking to DCTA and working with them.

1171
01:39:34,820 --> 01:39:36,180
 There's some question.

1172
01:39:36,180 --> 01:39:41,340
 I think the legal people have been involved as far as this sole sourcing or something

1173
01:39:41,340 --> 01:39:48,140
 if they let the company, but we have identified an area on the edge of the DCTA where the

1174
01:39:48,140 --> 01:39:53,420
 city owns the property, and I have reached out to VeoRide to ask that they put bikes

1175
01:39:53,420 --> 01:39:54,420
 there.

1176
01:39:54,420 --> 01:39:57,700
 It's not right where you get off the train, but it's fairly close.

1177
01:39:57,700 --> 01:40:04,900
 I don't think they've done it quite yet, but we are working on that, and hopefully DCTA

1178
01:40:04,900 --> 01:40:06,220
 will figure out how to do this.

1179
01:40:06,220 --> 01:40:12,860
 I think they just in the past haven't dealt with an arrangement like this, a bike share

1180
01:40:12,860 --> 01:40:17,740
 company, and so they don't know how to approach it, but we are working on that.

1181
01:40:17,740 --> 01:40:21,860
 I've been in touch with them both, and so hopefully here in the near future we will

1182
01:40:21,860 --> 01:40:25,140
 have bicycles available right there at the station.

1183
01:40:25,140 --> 01:40:26,140
 Thank you.

1184
01:40:26,140 --> 01:40:28,980
 That'll be great.

1185
01:40:28,980 --> 01:40:31,540
 Back to the bike lanes on Windsor.

1186
01:40:31,540 --> 01:40:34,260
 What sections are we looking at?

1187
01:40:34,260 --> 01:40:40,780
 It's primarily the wider section of Windsor is in front of the Strickland Middle, so we're

1188
01:40:40,780 --> 01:40:50,980
 looking between I think it's Locust and Stewart, or I think it narrows by the time it gets

1189
01:40:50,980 --> 01:40:56,420
 to Stewart, but Bell definitely.

1190
01:40:56,420 --> 01:40:59,860
 We don't have the plans yet, but once we have a plan, we can share it.

1191
01:40:59,860 --> 01:41:04,060
 We're working on the plans.

1192
01:41:04,060 --> 01:41:10,020
 Are you thinking of going at Bell, is that what you're saying?

1193
01:41:10,020 --> 01:41:13,260
 Up to Bell, yes, between Bell and Locust on Windsor.

1194
01:41:13,260 --> 01:41:16,780
 I thought there was already bike lanes there.

1195
01:41:16,780 --> 01:41:17,780
 Yeah, there are bike lanes.

1196
01:41:17,780 --> 01:41:18,780
 There are bike lanes.

1197
01:41:18,780 --> 01:41:19,780
 Some protected bike lanes.

1198
01:41:19,780 --> 01:41:20,780
 Oh, protected.

1199
01:41:20,780 --> 01:41:21,780
 Okay.

1200
01:41:21,780 --> 01:41:26,180
 There are some issues I think it's the same issues that Highland was facing is the people

1201
01:41:26,180 --> 01:41:32,900
 trying to park and loading zone and everything using the bike lanes, so we're trying to fix

1202
01:41:32,900 --> 01:41:37,540
 that similar to Highland.

1203
01:41:37,540 --> 01:41:41,980
 So the other issue I was going to bring up real quick was one I brought up before, so

1204
01:41:41,980 --> 01:41:48,620
 I don't know how it fits with the matrix, but it's the areas on Long Carroll, near Hickory,

1205
01:41:48,620 --> 01:41:54,860
 each direction a couple blocks, I think from Oak probably to Mulberry would probably be

1206
01:41:54,860 --> 01:42:01,260
 on that, and then similarly on Bell from around the similar streets probably from Mulberry

1207
01:42:01,260 --> 01:42:03,500
 to probably McKinney.

1208
01:42:03,500 --> 01:42:08,420
 I think those are just two of the biggest problem areas, as you know, I've met with

1209
01:42:08,420 --> 01:42:17,820
 Council member Briggs and Hutzpeth about those areas after the pedestrian was hit on Carroll,

1210
01:42:17,820 --> 01:42:19,900
 because the street's dangerous.

1211
01:42:19,900 --> 01:42:21,980
 It's not just simply an accident.

1212
01:42:21,980 --> 01:42:26,420
 It's set up that we could have that, and I just don't want to see a worse injury happen.

1213
01:42:26,420 --> 01:42:32,540
 So they brought before the council a bunch of possible solutions, and basically what

1214
01:42:32,540 --> 01:42:35,800
 we were told is none of them would work.

1215
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:38,220
 One of the things was about congestion and things, and I don't know.

1216
01:42:38,220 --> 01:42:39,220
 I live right there.

1217
01:42:39,220 --> 01:42:40,460
 I'm in the eight-squared apartments.

1218
01:42:40,460 --> 01:42:42,360
 I look out on Carroll.

1219
01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:46,780
 I don't see the congestion that bad in that area.

1220
01:42:46,780 --> 01:42:51,860
 In fact, the biggest problem is people fly down that street because it's like a highway.

1221
01:42:51,860 --> 01:42:53,260
 I mean, it's wide open.

1222
01:42:53,260 --> 01:42:57,340
 There's not much traffic, and so they fly through there sometimes going 60 miles per

1223
01:42:57,340 --> 01:42:59,700
 hour because there's just no other cars around.

1224
01:42:59,700 --> 01:43:02,420
 You can walk out there, I walked out there at 5.30, took video.

1225
01:43:02,420 --> 01:43:05,340
 I tweeted it out to just show you can stand in the middle of the street.

1226
01:43:05,340 --> 01:43:09,140
 It's just not that busy of a street, and maybe there's some times you actually have to wait

1227
01:43:09,140 --> 01:43:10,140
 for a light.

1228
01:43:10,140 --> 01:43:14,980
 My point being, I actually think we need to figure out ways to slow down the traffic there,

1229
01:43:14,980 --> 01:43:18,780
 and so we got the opposite response that we would cause the slowing down of traffic.

1230
01:43:18,780 --> 01:43:20,780
 So I think we're seeing things differently.

1231
01:43:20,780 --> 01:43:21,780
 I'd really like us to see.

1232
01:43:21,780 --> 01:43:23,260
 I don't know what the answer is.

1233
01:43:23,260 --> 01:43:26,380
 There's lots of urban principles for slowing traffic.

1234
01:43:26,380 --> 01:43:31,020
 This is for just the pedestrian crossings you're talking about?

1235
01:43:31,020 --> 01:43:35,220
 The crossing, but also for about a two, three-block area there where really you have the intersecting

1236
01:43:35,220 --> 01:43:40,100
 of everything of the things, businesses coming off the square, pedestrians.

1237
01:43:40,100 --> 01:43:41,700
 Pedestrians are on Oak Street.

1238
01:43:41,700 --> 01:43:42,980
 Pedestrians are on Mulberry Street.

1239
01:43:42,980 --> 01:43:44,780
 Pedestrians are on Hickory.

1240
01:43:44,780 --> 01:43:47,980
 I would argue, one of the arguments was that we don't have enough pedestrians.

1241
01:43:47,980 --> 01:43:52,340
 Well, part of the reason is because go stand at that corner, it's scary.

1242
01:43:52,340 --> 01:43:55,340
 It's physically scary to stand at that corner.

1243
01:43:55,340 --> 01:44:00,060
 Zoom by, you feel no protection, and so part of the reason I think we have less pedestrians

1244
01:44:00,060 --> 01:44:01,460
 is because we've created that environment.

1245
01:44:01,460 --> 01:44:05,980
 So I just would love for us to explore what solutions there are, whether it's putting

1246
01:44:05,980 --> 01:44:12,580
 up signage that slows cars down, that again alerts them, having a speed limit that encircles

1247
01:44:12,580 --> 01:44:17,260
 the entire square where you slow down, I don't know, to 25 miles per hour for those four

1248
01:44:17,260 --> 01:44:18,260
 blocks or whatever.

1249
01:44:18,260 --> 01:44:19,460
 I don't know what the answer is.

1250
01:44:19,460 --> 01:44:22,740
 I'm not an urban designer, but I know there's a lot of answers that have been done in other

1251
01:44:22,740 --> 01:44:29,580
 places, and the council people brought a lot of them to the council.

1252
01:44:29,580 --> 01:44:33,660
 The only one that kind of said, "We'll look at it," was lighting, which that's fine,

1253
01:44:33,660 --> 01:44:35,780
 but that's not going to slow cars down that much.

1254
01:44:35,780 --> 01:44:39,980
 It'll just help them see better, which is good, but we know that the best way to stop

1255
01:44:39,980 --> 01:44:41,780
 fatalities is to slow cars down.

1256
01:44:41,780 --> 01:44:43,700
 When they're going 40, they kill people.

1257
01:44:43,700 --> 01:44:46,060
 When they're going 20, they usually don't.

1258
01:44:46,060 --> 01:44:52,420
 So I'm just figuring, what can we do to slow down cars in those areas that have pedestrians

1259
01:44:52,420 --> 01:44:56,620
 on them, that also could allow those areas to get more pedestrians and more cyclists?

1260
01:44:56,620 --> 01:44:58,380
 Because I think those are great areas for that.

1261
01:44:58,380 --> 01:45:02,180
 I would just like to see something done, because right now I feel like we're not getting good

1262
01:45:02,180 --> 01:45:03,180
 answers on that.

1263
01:45:03,180 --> 01:45:06,660
 There's several people I know in the community who are concerned, mothers who come to us

1264
01:45:06,660 --> 01:45:11,620
 said that they're still worried about being anywhere right off the square and walking

1265
01:45:11,620 --> 01:45:16,300
 with their kids, that they drive from the Methodist Church onto the square because of

1266
01:45:16,300 --> 01:45:20,940
 fear of the danger in walking with their kids in strollers.

1267
01:45:20,940 --> 01:45:25,900
 I just think that whole core area, it's not a big area, could be safer, but those two

1268
01:45:25,900 --> 01:45:30,380
 little sections, I wish we could, I don't know if we need a focus group to come up with

1269
01:45:30,380 --> 01:45:38,620
 possible solutions, but the council members have tried and just didn't get any answers.

1270
01:45:38,620 --> 01:45:48,060
 I think if you're just talking about pedestrian crossings at Carol and Bell, if that's the

1271
01:45:48,060 --> 01:45:53,100
 case, we have signals there, and then we have pedestrian phase.

1272
01:45:53,100 --> 01:46:00,860
 One of the things that was missing was lighting, so from a protected signal or a protected

1273
01:46:00,860 --> 01:46:05,580
 pedestrian crossing, I'm not sure if we can do more, but if you're talking about people

1274
01:46:05,580 --> 01:46:11,020
 crossing in the middle block and slowing vehicles down, that's a different story.

1275
01:46:11,020 --> 01:46:14,540
 If you're talking about, in general, slowing people on Carol, that's a different story,

1276
01:46:14,540 --> 01:46:18,980
 but you're probably, I think, you're mixing two elements.

1277
01:46:18,980 --> 01:46:25,020
 You're mixing crossings at intersections, which are already protected, with crossings

1278
01:46:25,020 --> 01:46:32,260
 in general and pedestrian activity and creating that core that you're talking about.

1279
01:46:32,260 --> 01:46:40,620
 Urban planning and the urban core making it more pedestrian-friendly, making it more bike-accessible,

1280
01:46:40,620 --> 01:46:45,180
 and different other modes is slightly different than focusing on the intersection and pedestrian

1281
01:46:45,180 --> 01:46:46,180
 crossing.

1282
01:46:46,180 --> 01:46:48,780
 That's where it's getting lost in translation.

1283
01:46:48,780 --> 01:46:53,260
 I think engineers are looking at it at different principles, like, yes, there's a pedestrian

1284
01:46:53,260 --> 01:46:54,740
 protected phase.

1285
01:46:54,740 --> 01:46:59,500
 What else can we do to protect pedestrians?

1286
01:46:59,500 --> 01:47:01,260
 There is already a phase.

1287
01:47:01,260 --> 01:47:02,540
 There's already a light.

1288
01:47:02,540 --> 01:47:04,620
 Everyone stopped while they're crossing.

1289
01:47:04,620 --> 01:47:05,940
 Everything's in place.

1290
01:47:05,940 --> 01:47:06,940
 Lighting is something missing.

1291
01:47:06,940 --> 01:47:08,340
 Okay, we'll add some lighting.

1292
01:47:08,340 --> 01:47:10,060
 That's the response you got.

1293
01:47:10,060 --> 01:47:15,020
 If you're looking for a whole big picture of urban planning, then that's where we get

1294
01:47:15,020 --> 01:47:21,660
 into planning, and if the uses are designed that way, then we'll get the streets to flow

1295
01:47:21,660 --> 01:47:23,020
 that way.

1296
01:47:23,020 --> 01:47:27,140
 It's a combined effort between how we plan the core.

1297
01:47:27,140 --> 01:47:28,140
 I agree.

1298
01:47:28,140 --> 01:47:31,940
 If we plan it, that anyone that's entering the core has to slow down.

1299
01:47:31,940 --> 01:47:36,860
 For example, Elm and Locust need to slow down as they approach, then we have to do a better

1300
01:47:36,860 --> 01:47:43,460
 job on what are the uses approved and permitted, and how do we have the complete street segments

1301
01:47:43,460 --> 01:47:46,060
 approaching the square area.

1302
01:47:46,060 --> 01:47:50,220
 I think we're already looking into that, how we can convert those into complete streets

1303
01:47:50,220 --> 01:47:55,300
 as some of these properties on Elm and Locust are pulled out of the floodplain, and they're

1304
01:47:55,300 --> 01:47:59,300
 going to be revitalized anyways.

1305
01:47:59,300 --> 01:48:00,300
 I agree.

1306
01:48:00,300 --> 01:48:06,540
 Big picture, we can do something and plan and set it up, but the questions you're asking

1307
01:48:06,540 --> 01:48:14,760
 are, "Yeah, I'm basing it off of one of these accidents or one of these issues, but what

1308
01:48:14,760 --> 01:48:18,460
 else or what more do you want us to do if cars are speeding?"

1309
01:48:18,460 --> 01:48:24,580
 Yes, they're getting a green, but pedestrians have a protected face to cross.

1310
01:48:24,580 --> 01:48:26,580
 That's where it's getting lost.

1311
01:48:26,580 --> 01:48:31,140
 We can reduce and have the elements in place, reduce the speed, make sure it's an urban

1312
01:48:31,140 --> 01:48:37,500
 core and do planning-level effort where we look at not only the square, but anything

1313
01:48:37,500 --> 01:48:42,340
 on Elm and Locust, anything on Oak and Hickory, and make that whole segment between Carol

1314
01:48:42,340 --> 01:48:52,700
 and Bell a complete urban area where parking is looked at, where speeds of the street,

1315
01:48:52,700 --> 01:48:55,900
 where width of the street, how wide do you need street?

1316
01:48:55,900 --> 01:49:00,460
 They can be narrower and you need wider sidewalks or bike lanes.

1317
01:49:00,460 --> 01:49:05,980
 All of that can be looked at, and it could be a downtown plan, as you mentioned, but

1318
01:49:05,980 --> 01:49:07,100
 there are two different things.

1319
01:49:07,100 --> 01:49:12,740
 One is a long-term, big picture, and this is more of how do we address our immediate

1320
01:49:12,740 --> 01:49:13,740
 issues.

1321
01:49:13,740 --> 01:49:20,740
 I think it's a big feel thing, because crossing Carol, it doesn't feel safe.

1322
01:49:20,740 --> 01:49:27,780
 Even when you see your little white pedestrian flashing at you and the cars are coming to

1323
01:49:27,780 --> 01:49:35,720
 a stop, yes, it's supposed to be protected, but it doesn't feel safe while you're crossing

1324
01:49:35,720 --> 01:49:42,620
 six-plus lanes of traffic, and I think that's huge, the feel.

1325
01:49:42,620 --> 01:49:46,820
 I definitely appreciate the long-term vision and know that that can all happen at once,

1326
01:49:46,820 --> 01:49:50,620
 so I guess my - well, one clarification, what do you mean by uses?

1327
01:49:50,620 --> 01:49:54,260
 When you say uses, are you talking about uses for different forms of transportation?

1328
01:49:54,260 --> 01:50:00,860
 No, uses as far as land uses, what is entailed, what type of - for example, are we putting

1329
01:50:00,860 --> 01:50:05,180
 in more office that requires a big parking lot and our car is going to come there, or

1330
01:50:05,180 --> 01:50:10,980
 are we putting in these smaller shops that are going to be front end on these smaller

1331
01:50:10,980 --> 01:50:17,620
 streets and parking is not the primary focus, the focus is attracting people from UNT, from

1332
01:50:17,620 --> 01:50:24,100
 other places, just people and bikes and walking, or attracting people from the square to my

1333
01:50:24,100 --> 01:50:29,300
 shop here, as opposed to I have a huge parking lot and now there's an office in front of

1334
01:50:29,300 --> 01:50:31,100
 it, so that's the way you define it.

1335
01:50:31,100 --> 01:50:35,200
 If you create more parking lots and offices on the fringe, there are going to be a lot

1336
01:50:35,200 --> 01:50:36,200
 more cars.

1337
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:37,200
 Right.

1338
01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:41,300
 I think - so my last comment on this is to go forward, I think my two things I'd say

1339
01:50:41,300 --> 01:50:46,420
 is one of my big goals in being on this committee and being involved is I want the urban part

1340
01:50:46,420 --> 01:50:51,220
 of Denton to have urban principles, not - I've noticed every time we talk about anything

1341
01:50:51,220 --> 01:50:55,380
 outside the core, I say you're quiet, I never say anything, I don't care what we do anywhere

1342
01:50:55,380 --> 01:51:00,140
 else in Denton, but the urban areas, I want to be urban, and so I think that goes for

1343
01:51:00,140 --> 01:51:03,700
 parking and cars and things, and it's just the one area I think we don't have to prioritize

1344
01:51:03,700 --> 01:51:08,780
 cars in our city, we should prioritize pedestrians and bikes, and that's - most great cities

1345
01:51:08,780 --> 01:51:13,500
 across the world that people want to travel to be in are like that, is their urban cores

1346
01:51:13,500 --> 01:51:16,260
 are walkable, and there's a lot of other ways to get around.

1347
01:51:16,260 --> 01:51:20,200
 So that - and most of you probably know my goals at this point, that's what I'm really

1348
01:51:20,200 --> 01:51:26,700
 interested in, my - on this project, my short term goal is are there any traffic calming

1349
01:51:26,700 --> 01:51:31,300
 measures that would work here, whether it's art, whether it's - I mean it's like things

1350
01:51:31,300 --> 01:51:34,580
 that - I don't know what they would be and that's what I'm asking, is there anything

1351
01:51:34,580 --> 01:51:38,580
 in the short term that we could potentially look at?

1352
01:51:38,580 --> 01:51:44,060
 So when you say traffic calming, there are several signals lined up on Carol, it's primary

1353
01:51:44,060 --> 01:51:50,620
 goal is to carry traffic, so the goal defined in our mobility plan itself says that it's

1354
01:51:50,620 --> 01:51:52,180
 an arterial.

1355
01:51:52,180 --> 01:51:55,620
 So now you're contradicting your plans.

1356
01:51:55,620 --> 01:52:01,660
 If we have to do that - so the best way of going around it is if we're defining this

1357
01:52:01,660 --> 01:52:04,780
 urban core, let's work on the land use component.

1358
01:52:04,780 --> 01:52:10,460
 If you change that, then you do not require the access and the freeways and the arterials

1359
01:52:10,460 --> 01:52:13,980
 that are going in the areas that you don't want.

1360
01:52:13,980 --> 01:52:19,260
 So that defines, okay, this area is different, it's not going to attract a whole lot of traffic,

1361
01:52:19,260 --> 01:52:22,000
 you don't need a six lane facility here.

1362
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:24,720
 Let's get it down to a four lane.

1363
01:52:24,720 --> 01:52:30,420
 Now we're talking about we have an extra width, we slow people down, we protect the bike lanes,

1364
01:52:30,420 --> 01:52:31,660
 all that is a possibility.

1365
01:52:31,660 --> 01:52:39,020
 So the best way of handling it is look at what are the uses, what kind of growth is

1366
01:52:39,020 --> 01:52:43,340
 anticipated, and then how does our transportation system tie in.

1367
01:52:43,340 --> 01:52:48,980
 That's how I look at it or we look at it as a big picture is currently that facility is

1368
01:52:48,980 --> 01:52:50,420
 designed to carry people.

1369
01:52:50,420 --> 01:52:55,440
 Bell is designed to carry people to TWU, to different destinations.

1370
01:52:55,440 --> 01:53:02,780
 Now if I just go in and say everyone slow down and it's narrowed down to two lanes,

1371
01:53:02,780 --> 01:53:07,380
 I will have some serious congestion in most of the streets every morning and evening.

1372
01:53:07,380 --> 01:53:12,660
 And there will be a lot more outcry as opposed to two or four people, I'll have the whole

1373
01:53:12,660 --> 01:53:15,660
 city at me saying what were you thinking.

1374
01:53:15,660 --> 01:53:20,940
 So before we can do that we have to come up with a plan, we have to come up with a plan,

1375
01:53:20,940 --> 01:53:22,580
 what is an alternative?

1376
01:53:22,580 --> 01:53:27,500
 What are we changing, TWU as a destination, are we changing it to something else?

1377
01:53:27,500 --> 01:53:30,920
 If we're not, are we providing an alternative route?

1378
01:53:30,920 --> 01:53:35,900
 Are we putting in another facility that's separate, that does not co-mingle with the

1379
01:53:35,900 --> 01:53:38,380
 core?

1380
01:53:38,380 --> 01:53:44,460
 All that needs to be thought out as part of our mobility plan and we're embarking on updating

1381
01:53:44,460 --> 01:53:45,460
 that pretty soon.

1382
01:53:45,460 --> 01:53:48,540
 I think we'll hire a consultant pretty soon next month.

1383
01:53:48,540 --> 01:53:54,060
 But these are all nice discussions that we can have at that plan because unless we come

1384
01:53:54,060 --> 01:53:59,300
 up with a plan, we can't go in and say okay we're going to slow you down here immediately

1385
01:53:59,300 --> 01:54:07,340
 because I think there is a big safety concern but when we designed it and we put it in place

1386
01:54:07,340 --> 01:54:16,360
 and all these years the primary function of that particular facility was to run vehicles

1387
01:54:16,360 --> 01:54:18,580
 up and down at a fast speed.

1388
01:54:18,580 --> 01:54:20,540
 So there's no doubt that's the problem.

1389
01:54:20,540 --> 01:54:21,540
 That is the problem.

1390
01:54:21,540 --> 01:54:25,700
 I don't want to move vehicles on that block section and it's designed to do that.

1391
01:54:25,700 --> 01:54:30,740
 It is designed functionally as well as in our mobility plan and so when you say I want

1392
01:54:30,740 --> 01:54:37,980
 to slow down someone on Carroll I'm like it's a six lane divided facility that carries vehicles

1393
01:54:37,980 --> 01:54:43,380
 and the whole idea is get the vehicles outside the downtown area and then let them move north

1394
01:54:43,380 --> 01:54:49,340
 south so that they're not using Elm and Locust as their thoroughfares but they're keeping

1395
01:54:49,340 --> 01:54:50,340
 to.

1396
01:54:50,340 --> 01:54:51,420
 So it's like water.

1397
01:54:51,420 --> 01:54:54,940
 If you reduce capacity somewhere you have to give it somewhere else and yes we have

1398
01:54:54,940 --> 01:55:02,700
 to do a better plan, we have to do a better job in planning upfront before we go implement

1399
01:55:02,700 --> 01:55:04,740
 some of these things.

1400
01:55:04,740 --> 01:55:11,900
 Well I think the way we use Denton has changed dramatically just in the past maybe ten or

1401
01:55:11,900 --> 01:55:20,100
 twelve years because and you know Carroll Boulevard is a barrier for me and I'm not

1402
01:55:20,100 --> 01:55:28,140
 a frightened walker but Carroll is a barrier so people did not use to go, you're going

1403
01:55:28,140 --> 01:55:31,140
 to stop me aren't you?

1404
01:55:31,140 --> 01:55:32,140
 It's not in the agenda.

1405
01:55:32,140 --> 01:55:34,260
 People used to go down to the square from UNT, that's a different persona, you didn't

1406
01:55:34,260 --> 01:55:35,260
 know that was me.

1407
01:55:35,260 --> 01:55:45,040
 No sorry if I don't stand up here I'll get yelled at by the TV guys but yeah I've kind

1408
01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:48,620
 of let it go because I thought we were going to wrap it up but we're going to keep going

1409
01:55:48,620 --> 01:55:55,260
 and we are not posted to fully discuss it so I'm going to have to cut it off sorry.

1410
01:55:55,260 --> 01:55:58,180
 In general discussion ideas, that's tough.

1411
01:55:58,180 --> 01:56:02,460
 We have to have specific topics to talk about.

1412
01:56:02,460 --> 01:56:08,260
 Changing Carroll from an arterial.

1413
01:56:08,260 --> 01:56:12,220
 That would be part of our mobility plan so definitely you're more than welcome to join

1414
01:56:12,220 --> 01:56:29,580
 the mobility team.

1415
01:56:29,580 --> 01:56:31,500
 You were trying to clean up the matrix.

1416
01:56:31,500 --> 01:56:36,700
 I don't think we actually have to do anything to it.

1417
01:56:36,700 --> 01:56:38,940
 No not officially.

1418
01:56:38,940 --> 01:56:42,340
 We've got ideas for the next one.

1419
01:56:42,340 --> 01:56:48,380
 Okay so is there anything else to add to the matrix?

1420
01:56:48,380 --> 01:56:54,500
 All right then we will adjourn at 728.

1421
01:56:54,500 --> 01:56:55,500
 Thank you.

1422
01:56:55,500 --> 01:56:55,500
 Thank you.