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 All right welcome. Welcome to the Sustainability Framework Advisory Committee. It is one o'clock

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 and we are in the City Council Work Session Room and we do have a quorum. Everyone's here

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 today. Welcome. And we will get started here with our first item for individual consideration.

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 Consider approval of the January 27, 2023 minutes and today we do have a speaker on

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 this item, William Minas. You want to come up and I think you have three minutes, is

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 that correct? Four minutes. And we actually are using the mics up above us today so make

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 sure and kind of project up. Okay. And she's going to time me so we've got four minutes.

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 Welcome. Good afternoon. My name is comic Bill. Bill Minas. I appreciate the time. I've

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 been here four times and I really enjoyed the information I've gathered here and I appreciate

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 all the work you do as volunteers. I was here at the last meeting and I heard Bill Shepard's

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 presentation on about how to make some changes for solar panels and the energy efficiency

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 program and so I wrote a long letter. I sent it to Catherine and she she forwarded the

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 bill and Bill called me up and we had a little bill on bill conversation there and so he

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 invited me on a little bit but then after I hung up I had a few I said wait a minute.

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 One thing he wants you know the $500,000 that's going towards solar panels he wants to move

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 that to the energy efficiency program because he says it's more bang for the buck for every

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 dollar you spend you'll you'll you'll reduce more kilowatts per hour. Well his problem

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 is because the solar panels were cities using less electricity which so they can't they're

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 charging us less it's throwing the city in the red. Well this would do it more wouldn't

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 it this making houses more efficient they'll lose less electricity and now we're in the

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 red five times. I don't know that's I didn't I didn't understand that at all and also noticed

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 that the energy efficiency last month not a dime had been spent out of it. You're not

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 going to gain a lot of efficiency if you never spend the money but I did pull it up and somehow

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 in January 35,000 was used so now it's down to 215,000. I think and I think the increasing

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 having a two-tier flat rate system one for solar panel people and one for homeowners is a rabbit

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 hole. You can so you're going to charge the same base rate for all solar panel owners whether they

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 have 12 pounds or whether they have 55 pounds and I can take you to a house on the corner street

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 it's 1100 square feet really maybe a low income family I don't know but I think 60 raising their

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 flat rate by $50 a month would be an impact on them. Also doesn't the same old truth I have an

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 electric car so I'm using more electricity I just bought this like a huge appliance and just got

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 moved in so that's just the opposite what maybe electric cars are offsetting the reduction of

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 electricity for solar panels. Also Bill never mentioned this thing about the mining deal we have

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 with crypto people. Isn't that half of our energy we use? I thought somehow that should be part of

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 the conversation because that enters into it it might make this all kind of insignificant.

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 Also I want to read one more thing oh guiding principles your guiding principles one of them

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 is maintain a diversified power supply portfolio while establishing aggressive energy and efficiency

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 constant and energy conservation programs aggressive energy efficiency and energy

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 conservation programs and now you want to increase the base for solar panel users

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 maybe you need to change your guiding principles if you recommend this thank you.

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 All right so we will move on to the consider approval of January 27,

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 2023 minutes does anyone have any comments? I would like to amend the minutes as they're listed

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 please okay so on the minutes it indicates that only two of our members were in favor of

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 the options presented under item D and I believe and I can't quote for VEDA but I had suggested

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 that I was at least in principle in favor of that option as well of what was presented and I would

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 like my name to be added to that approval list I remember that there was just one other layer

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 of consideration that I had a concern on but in general I did motion approval for that item as

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 the options were presented and I'd like it to be reflected in the minutes. Okay all right anyone

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 else have a comment on that? I'd get a motion for approval. I'll move approval of the minutes as amended. Okay second? All right all in favor all right can we please

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 amend those minutes to reflect that brand was in favor okay thank you we will move on to item B

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 receive a report hold a discussion regarding climate action and adaptation plan draft community

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 survey and meeting in a box engagement tools. Who's going to be presenting that to us today?

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 I think it's going to be Big E. So the engagement tools are in final close to final drafts I just

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 got another email with some changes but we wanted to give an opportunity for the committee to walk

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 through what will be going out to the community next week both the survey and the meeting in a

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 box tool we'll have the registration to request a meeting in a box live and I think that's all

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 like next week so we wanted that committee to have a chance to look at the tools before they go back

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 and we still have time to make any amendments that we need to based on recommendations.

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 Just a little break around so the progress to date and then we'll look at the community engagement

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 survey and review the meeting in a box. Just a little bit of history so the work plan

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 the selection of SSG we did the public engagement webinar back on December 14th and then the town

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 hall January 26th we were with this committee on the 27th we've reviewed the business's planning

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 analysis and then we presented to the council committee on the environment on non-wednesday.

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 So as I said the lunch week February 27th the survey will be live for a minimum of four weeks

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 we'll promote that on the website social media events we're talking about some tabling events

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 so that we can try to get more folks driven towards that survey so that we get as much

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 input as possible. SSG has a minimum threshold of 385 respondents that's really low to us we've

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 the last two surveys that I've done for sustainability and one for solid waste

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 we've had over 1000 respondents so I feel like we can definitely get there 385. It is a little

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 bit of a longer survey that's a concern for me but we've already made some recommendations to cut

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 down some of that length. So the meeting inbox the request form will be on the website we have it

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 going out in the March citizen connection so that it'll get in every utility bill account hands and

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 as I said in person virtual staff led or participant led options it'll be truly a box that we can hand

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 folks with all the tools they need to do the meeting and then all the feedback will be incorporated

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 moving forward. We're trying to get a standardized survey for participants from meeting in a box that

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 will be a much shorter how did the meeting go what were the conclusions from the meeting how

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 did the discussions go that will be standardized across the meeting in a box so that we're collecting

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 the same information from each meeting. We have a second town hall community workshop coming in March

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 and then we'll be back to this committee for a presentation also in March.

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 And then we have your document. We have a question. Yeah I'm sorry being a little

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 later to the party here but it helped me if you could talk a little about

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 what is the objective of the survey like are all the good ideas or whatever are you know all the

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 things we think are good ideas substantively for sustainability or you know leading good

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 ideas for sustainability and resilience in there and we want to know what's most palatable to the

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 public so because the idea is that we might not do some if the public didn't found them

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 unpalatable and we want to get like a rank sort out of that is that the goal? There is rank sorting

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 and I think it's more the palatability and then the readiness to adopt some of these changes

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 and is there an area where we need to do more education so that people understand what we're

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 actually leading up to you know we talked one of the questions we spent a lot of time on was

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 electric vehicle adoption you know is the opinion that there's not enough mechanics

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 in town for the EV population as it grows you know are you going to have concerns about having

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 your vehicle serviced you know can we find out what that actually looks like is that a true concern

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 for didn't so it might ultimately guide I'm trying to get a feel for like what do you do with the

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 output you know might it lead ultimately to phasing of the climate action plan is that kind of the

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 idea like what you know what has to happen before which which things yes and so some of them are

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 longer term some of them you know you can have some quick changes that might make a difference

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 you know in a short term window you know like a six month to a year but some of them are building

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 programs and you know an education piece for the community and then an implementation so a lot of

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 things that we work on you know you may have an education year before you move into the next steps

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 and yeah just moving adoption along okay yeah also I think you're already doing this so this is like

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 all a question but are you using the meetings as kind of communication checks on the way these

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 things are described because you know that's like a famous hole to walk walk into right with consumer

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 researchers sometimes just the way you put things people look at it or they think you need something

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 different like it's you know so are the kind of concepts getting the language around the concepts

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 getting refined out of the meetings that you've already had so I think so I think so especially

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 the consultant we we've had several discussions about what that looks like and what that looks

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 like here as well so it's interesting we we've had definitely some refining of the topics and

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 and then also as we have discussions with community members kind of backing up and seeing

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 what that means to them and making sure that there's a common understanding okay oh more

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 questions I have a question about the meetings well we have if when you have in-person meetings

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 will there be computers set up with the survey like there had been before like certain so that

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 people that come to the meeting can actually take the survey while they're there or no I think we

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 can do that um I know we'll have the QR code and it'll be mobile friendly so you can also do it on

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 your phone but we are doing some of our other recycling games and things like that with iPad

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 whenever we go out so yeah I mean just for those who may not be computer savvy or who may not be

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 able to you know do it from their home without internet or something just an option it's a

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 survey monkey form so we can also do a printout okay and have a paper copy this will make sure

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 we're capturing everything everything thank you and we can walk through both of these items really

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 quick just to give an overview so we'll take a look here at the survey first and as you stated

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 some of the outcomes here and so this will be reflected in the questions as well but basically

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 I'm taking a look at some of the background information related to climate change and where

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 folks are at on that as well as some of the barriers and then readiness for some of the

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 action items you'll notice in the questions that the action items are not called out specifically

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 it's more topic focused but the answers to those questions on the topics will lead to and especially

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 with those hurdles in mind what are going to be the action items that are going to help best

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 help residents overcome those hurdles towards those action items as we stated 385 respondents

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 and this is the PDF version that we have here today for you but this will all be in the survey

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 monkey platform and so we will be sending the results to SSG for analysis and then we'll also

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 be doing some internal sustainability staff analysis as well currently we're looking at a

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 four-week time frame so launching next week and being open for four weeks within the first two

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 weeks we'll do a gauge of where we're at on making sure that we have sort of an equitable sample of

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 the community and so we'll be checking in on that on a weekly basis if we need to increase the

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 time frame to either get to the respondent cap or to ensure that we have equity in the pool

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 we will do that at that time so the survey starts out with a lot of background information here on

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 climate change we did take this down a little bit we didn't want it to be too much of a barrier for

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 folks to be spending too much time on this and we also have the option if you do want to sort of go

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 through this and go right to the questions if it's something that you're already well versed on

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 and you're ready to take the survey you can do that as well again just to eliminate another

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 hurdle there but it describes how the plan came about and a little bit about the the city's current

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 goals and objectives like i said there so it talks about some of the impacts related to climate

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 change and basically for anybody that is going into this brand new it's the first two pages of

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 the survey but it does prep you to take the survey and answer all of those questions as informed as

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 you can be so as i said all of the questions are broken up into the different topic areas

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 the first section or topic area is about climate change in general how folks feel about some of the

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 the threats how they feel about denton and and denton's role in this and so that is the first

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 section after that we get into a little bit of background information focusing on the three main

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 sectors that are were a part of that greenhouse gas inventory that you saw and that's transportation

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 buildings and then the waste sector as well and so a little bit of background on emissions what

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 are our current emissions based on that baseline and where did they come from and then a little bit

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 of definitions there as well and so the first section is as we talked about a little bit all

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 in regards to transportation and so as i said really in these action item sections engaging

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 readiness engaging what are the hurdles for folks to overcome when it comes to some of these action

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 items and if you have any questions along the way feel free to jump in in the section and go ahead

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 yeah i had a question on uh it's page 11 where i see that

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 where industrial processes have not been estimated is there a timeline when we'll have that

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 that is not going to be included in the greenhouse gas inventory so the greenhouse

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 gas inventory for the climate plan is essentially finished and that was what was presented at the

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 two meetings ago uh two meetings ago and so um for those ones especially with those internal

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 processes now we have things like utility usage electricity and natural gas usage at those

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 industries but the internal processes are not estimated in the scope of this project

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 and uh one question under the scope too it says emissions from purchased and or acquired

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 what's the difference between purchased and acquired does that mean generated or um i will

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 have to double check on that and we can follow up on that absolutely anyone else have a question on

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 what we've heard so far oh i have one more okay may i yeah go ahead um i think it's on is it on

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 page six just an idea of what something means there's a term used called clean tech is that

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 on this page yeah there it's down in the circle on the right what is clean tech

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 um also potentially a good point for a definition there this this one came from ssg as a you know

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 standard photo for this survey and so we can follow up on that as well and is there any need

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 for desire to where we have energy efficient buildings to to maybe focus that a little more

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 and say all electric energy efficient buildings both residential and commercial

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 are you referring to this graphic specifically or in general yeah and then just in general

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 energy efficient buildings is pretty vague what makes a building energy efficient what would have

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 to be done in order to do that aside from windows and that sort of stuff the idea of well i mean

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 a lot of a lot of cities now are mandating new construction with all electric appliances as you

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 know and i didn't know if that was something that could be at least introduced and maybe it already

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 has been in this plan rather than just a blanket statement like energy efficient and i can talk to

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 you about the definition that you're using for this graphic great and i know that there is a like an

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 actual code in the building code that makes a building energy efficient yes and there were lead

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 um projects and now there's they're different so there's by acc yeah yeah and so like what

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 what are we striving for maybe are we striving for that are we striving for more than that

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 what is that what does that look like maybe as a destination and i will say if something isn't

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 specifically called out in the survey it doesn't necessarily mean that it's off the table by any

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 means i think it's really just gauging readiness and then from there we fit that into all of the

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 action items that are on the table well i think this might be specifically called out more because

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 we've had a full meeting about it and we have lots of money that's going into efficiency um so you

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 know that might energy efficiency building so that might of course yeah i just uh totally uh getting

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 where the comments are going i think the graphic is just high level categories but what this may

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 speak to is me for you know i know it's already long but uh you know maybe a little drill down

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 section on whether you're ready and motivated by this kind of energy efficient which energy

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 efficiency insulation windows this kind of thing like all electric you know that i think that's

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 requires like a drill down yeah you know these aren't and none of these are drill downs these are

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 just categories you know right so maybe like if if there's not a question or adding that as a as a

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 as a question or into an existing question or something about is your home would you consider

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 your home energy efficient or something yes and there there are a couple of energy efficiency

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 related questions all right so i think you're good yeah i was just concerned about any ambiguity

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 oh okay go ahead i am also kind of concerned about the length of this survey because it almost feels

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 like a focus group on your phone that it almost might make it more cluttered to give these really

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 granular definitions over every term that we have in here and so linking out i see beforehand you

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 linked out to like the the un's clinicals those i think would be really helpful if someone did have

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 a specific question but i worry that we're almost preventing more people from completing a full survey

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 by adding additional layers of information but hopefully to your point if there's a lack of

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 clarity about what does that mean what does that look like for here and especially too because our

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 state is a little bit different in the limitations we have for some of these categories it might be

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 something better served in those public meetings than within the survey specifically yeah and i

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 really think that the survey is to ask sort of intuitive questions about how folks feel about

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 things not about the individual actions themselves and then we base the actions and present them to

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 the community to your point to be discussed a little bit further in those public meeting settings

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 so and meeting in a box is something that gives the opportunity for that deeper dive if there's

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 a misunderstanding or a verification needed okay that's good so are you would you like to see this

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 shorter as much as this could be cleaned i think that helps people especially to if this is something

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 that they're taking we posted on our facebook pages and things like that and there's no there's no one

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 their staff or the consultant or otherwise to help walk through some of these i think the cleaner the

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 better and we can get down into the weeds and things in those platforms where there is a lot

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 more direct engagement with residents and we can really offer that clarity that they're looking for

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 or provide you know links within the text that can take them if they have different questions about

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 it i just feel like it's already quite a bulky 20 30 minutes is what i was reading on the anticipated

00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:22.520
 time to take it that's a it's a huge chunk of time i'll say we shared that concern striking the right

00:24:22.520 --> 00:24:27.880
 balance between are you informed enough that you feel comfortable answering the questions but like

00:24:27.880 --> 00:24:33.000
 you're saying not overburdening you and you know hoping that you know you still take the survey of

00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:39.880
 course which is the ultimate goal and so i will say that in the survey monkey version we've also

00:24:39.880 --> 00:24:45.560
 broken things out into cleaner paragraphs and things like that so it's it is less sort of

00:24:46.760 --> 00:24:56.840
 all coming at you at once and then similar questions here to waste and to buildings

00:24:56.840 --> 00:25:07.640
 those and then some small ones here related to land use and also a little bit related to

00:25:08.360 --> 00:25:17.720
 transportation there and then jt yes and i hope i'm on topic here there's some wording in and i

00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:22.840
 started this at the public presentation as well that carol gave this term that we're using in

00:25:22.840 --> 00:25:28.120
 question 21 i'm curious if we can workshop that a little bit or think about it i've noticed

00:25:28.120 --> 00:25:34.360
 this particularly online there's some pushback to that wording specifically with some case studies

00:25:34.360 --> 00:25:39.400
 in canada in the uk where they're of course we're not experiencing these problems on our own

00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:45.240
 and cities who have adopted models like that are getting a lot of public pushback just off of the

00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:50.200
 wording and i wonder if we can communicate the concept here and what it's intended to do not

00:25:50.200 --> 00:25:59.320
 necessarily keeping with that exact phrase what what didn't they like and what did it about i can

00:25:59.320 --> 00:26:05.160
 share some with katherine to distribute to the the group there's a couple news articles that

00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:11.960
 toss around some resistance to that term that it feels really restrictive that it's just a lack

00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:16.120
 it's an informational asymmetry between residents in those communities that are pushing for these

00:26:16.120 --> 00:26:21.240
 types of goals that don't necessarily understand what that does look like and apply in their local

00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:27.160
 context and so i think we can maybe dodge a bullet there just by changing the way that we're phrasing

00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:32.760
 this it was kind of astounding and prolific pushback just on the phrase there i will say

00:26:32.760 --> 00:26:37.320
 that we did add even just in the last few days this was one of the ones that we did add it to

00:26:37.320 --> 00:26:41.560
 include a little bit more information about what it is built into the question but even

00:26:41.560 --> 00:26:45.640
 even still i think we'll take another look at that so i appreciate it because in our

00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:49.960
 in all of our planning documents we talk about like mixed use

00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:56.680
 isn't that what this means essentially that would be more consistent i didn't know

00:26:57.320 --> 00:27:00.920
 let's think things it's mixed use so that everything you need is close

00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:14.120
 are we suggesting definitions to be put in here instead on number 21 our words other i think we

00:27:14.120 --> 00:27:18.120
 just need to see if they're they're 15 minute they were going to equates to what we talk about

00:27:18.120 --> 00:27:24.360
 with mixed use difference with our codes with our codes okay just to make sure it's consistent

00:27:24.360 --> 00:27:27.640
 okay thanks make sure we're not bringing the canadian term in here

00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:37.240
 and then of course finishing up here with the demographic information which is optional for

00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:44.360
 folks but that will help us make sure that we are equitably sampling the community with that i will

00:27:44.360 --> 00:27:51.800
 open it up a little bit are there any major sectors we feel are missing or need supplemented

00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:58.280
 huh well my question really is just more what what would be what will the output look like

00:27:58.280 --> 00:28:06.440
 i don't mean what will the actual answers be but you know what's what's uh yeah what's the template

00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:14.920
 what would what kind of uh what kind of metrics will come out of it sure um so ssg is going to

00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:19.800
 build these results into their modeling of action items and weigh them accordingly based on the

00:28:19.800 --> 00:28:24.280
 hurdles that they find and the readiness two different categories and two different items

00:28:24.280 --> 00:28:31.240
 so it's kind of rank order in terms of readiness it will it will feed into it it will not necessarily

00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:39.560
 be the only thing that is ranked in that uh in that calibration but it will feed into

00:28:39.560 --> 00:28:46.280
 that that final ranking of action i think to suggest uh i don't know if this term is still

00:28:46.280 --> 00:28:55.240
 in use but they might get it from this description a turf analysis which stands for total unduplicated

00:28:55.240 --> 00:29:01.080
 reach and frequency the idea is you don't want to know that just the same 10 people will do

00:29:01.080 --> 00:29:08.680
 everything you want to know what subset of all the options ultimately motivates the greatest

00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:14.360
 proportion of the sample so and just from that description i would be able to you know figure

00:29:14.360 --> 00:29:27.560
 out math to get that but that's the idea anybody else questions comments it's in the same spirit

00:29:27.560 --> 00:29:34.440
 uh i think i'm wondering because you said these results will be used with other things

00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:39.960
 i guess i thought uh i guess i'm wondering what what the other things are because my

00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:48.200
 impression is that uh in modeling this and thinking about it we're identifying what's

00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:57.160
 the most bang for the buck as it were to achieve our goals with this plan there's that and that

00:29:57.160 --> 00:30:06.040
 seemed more like what studied experts and you feel would come up with and then you want to serve it

00:30:06.040 --> 00:30:11.960
 the citizens for readiness for this so are we going to try to balance those things that basically

00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:13.720
 short answer yes okay all right

00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:23.560
 yeah so i yeah yeah on that so what happens if the survey and the the citizens it doesn't show

00:30:23.560 --> 00:30:29.400
 what the the action plan actually is proposing so i mean there's that

00:30:30.840 --> 00:30:38.680
 it could have been balance conflict potentially is that why you're i mean i'm wondering yeah right

00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:44.760
 yeah that's the balance it's a it's a community project we're doing so yeah yes i suppose if i

00:30:44.760 --> 00:30:51.400
 mean go ahead uh you know just to pre-reel a bit you know that you hope there's an event diagram

00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:59.240
 where you get or maybe it's a two by two matrix how hard things are to do you know how powerful

00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:02.840
 things are to do and how much impact they have and you hope there's something in the quadrant

00:31:02.840 --> 00:31:07.640
 that's sort of easy to do and has a lot of impact i don't know if there is anything like that right

00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:11.320
 it may turn out to be that people want to do all the things that are easy and they have no impact

00:31:11.320 --> 00:31:18.120
 that you know i mean i think that's what we got to find out yeah okay sorry to clarify they we're

00:31:18.120 --> 00:31:23.560
 going to be presenting this as an option to take after a lot of these public engagement meetings

00:31:23.560 --> 00:31:28.920
 right so there's an educational opportunity beforehand where there could be a little bit more

00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:36.680
 learned knowledge walking into it or yes and no okay yeah i think that i think that's our hope

00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:43.160
 and you know so we have our email list that we've been sort of cultivating over the last

00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:48.200
 couple months many of those folks have already attended at least one of our town calls and so

00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:52.680
 you know we feel pretty comfortable we're going to be sending out the survey option as well as the

00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:57.000
 meeting in the box option and then if they you know if they want to host a meeting bring in some

00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:02.600
 friends some organizational members things like that then we'll also have the survey available to

00:32:02.600 --> 00:32:08.360
 them directly after that you know they've learned something they feel a little bit more engaged

00:32:08.360 --> 00:32:13.960
 they're probably more likely to to take the survey rather than just coming at it kind of cold i

00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:19.320
 remember from carol's presentation last time that was a concern i vocalized then as well that there

00:32:19.320 --> 00:32:26.280
 this is a really technical field in changing the whole constructive economy and our built environment

00:32:26.280 --> 00:32:31.800
 that it is going to be a learned gap between maybe what the palatability or receptiveness for

00:32:31.800 --> 00:32:37.720
 our residents could be versus what we know and understand from best practices and industry

00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:43.720
 standards and the literature that these are our highest impact actions that we can tackle and if

00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:47.560
 that comes back as something that we're not ready for i almost wonder if you know i know this

00:32:47.560 --> 00:32:52.680
 community this community engagement process is probably going to be the most key point out of all

00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:58.040
 of this is how much have we actually done to communicate like the pressing need but also what

00:32:58.040 --> 00:33:03.240
 we do have a toolbox you know we're not just working blind here but i would hope that we really

00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:12.760
 do emphasize the education component and hopefully that feedback goes into the survey where we do have

00:33:12.760 --> 00:33:17.880
 an informed audience not just walking into it without any background on the issue

00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:25.480
 and to that i will also say that each one of us as individuals in this committee should be

00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:33.880
 available if anyone reaches out with questions to help go ahead yeah you know forgive me if this is

00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:39.240
 sort of in there and in my scan of it i didn't quite pick it up you know as people are evaluating

00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:47.240
 the different concepts you're mostly aware of the cost in terms of like does this seem like

00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:51.480
 you know something you could do or something would be difficult to do and you talk about readiness

00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:58.280
 or obstacles uh in the in the kind of preparatory bits before each section it gives you a general

00:33:58.280 --> 00:34:04.120
 idea like these would be good to do but i wonder i wonder if there's something that

00:34:04.120 --> 00:34:11.000
 the survey takers would understand that would be a shorthand for how much impact this would have

00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:16.840
 you know what's the like i'm going to make something up just to illustrate my point let's

00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:25.080
 say we had assigned to each one what percent of the goal it would it would achieve if the goal is

00:34:25.080 --> 00:34:32.760
 one big thing that's 100% and okay you're doing this tactic is worth 10% of the goal and now we

00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:36.840
 talk about good isn't bad because otherwise i'm only going to respond to do i have obstacles on

00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:41.960
 my ready book but maybe i would be ready to do more if i knew it had a greater impact you know

00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:48.360
 i mean and that in a way shouldn't we be kind of leading a little that way too like to you know

00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:56.040
 be saying you want to do this because this this has a lot of impact now let's talk about could you

00:34:56.040 --> 00:35:04.840
 you do it might make any sense am i just going on no no i understand what you're saying um i'm

00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:09.560
 trying to think about the survey design and where we might be able to plug that in without making

00:35:09.560 --> 00:35:14.120
 it longer yeah not a long description that's what i'm saying yeah deal my in my fantasy it's like

00:35:14.120 --> 00:35:21.880
 just a number that's there okay this one that's worth 15 golden tickets i know the golden ticket

00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:28.280
 or the how many stars is this yeah can i jump in because it isn't i'm sorry like is it in there

00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:34.440
 it's a need well it kind of says the transportation sector constitutes 53 percent of total emissions

00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:40.600
 yes that's all right but it doesn't really pop out in and i'm caught that in the presentation too

00:35:40.600 --> 00:35:46.680
 that i feel like that's the gorilla in the room or something you know this is this is really big and

00:35:46.680 --> 00:35:51.320
 it sort of says it there but doesn't yeah it's only a little it's an upper and a little sense

00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:59.080
 i'm not a survey designer so i don't know if there's any is there a way to those percentages

00:35:59.720 --> 00:36:04.840
 in the survey instead of just a bunch of words like make it more and then impact so that it's

00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:08.600
 more noticeable at the beginning of each section maybe i think you're after something with the

00:36:08.600 --> 00:36:15.160
 gold stars personally yeah it may be something as as simple as you know a mile relates to this

00:36:15.160 --> 00:36:20.440
 a kilowatt hour relates to this you know um so i think that something like that could be

00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:25.880
 included with the background section and i think at the section when you get to the section about

00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:30.760
 transportation you have something there as a reminder of what you read before or yeah just

00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:40.120
 something that favorites the impact percentages well i i was looking through the meeting in a box

00:36:40.120 --> 00:36:46.360
 slideshow but i don't see it because i'm skimming but i thought we had a emissions by sector

00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:56.040
 graph that if you just saw that and you pretty clearly see this is the biggest bar so that yeah

00:36:56.040 --> 00:37:00.760
 and less plus words and more pictures or i have a section for things that are just virtues

00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:07.000
 where where are you ecology scarf or something

00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:21.560
 okay and yeah i are are the normal what when when the city any any particular department announces

00:37:21.560 --> 00:37:29.800
 an initiative such as this or rate change or your ideas on this or that is there anything leading up

00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:37.640
 to the survey instead rather than boom here's the survey but there has been no

00:37:38.600 --> 00:37:47.080
 preconditioning of our audience to expect it and to be curious about it does this make any sense

00:37:47.080 --> 00:37:56.680
 the idea of that's yeah i can intervene usually on those type of things there's council work

00:37:56.680 --> 00:38:02.440
 sessions that you know come up and there's presentations and then the council says hey

00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:07.880
 let's put out a survey or there's recommendations you know there's there's that type of process so

00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:15.720
 i would say that our meetings act as as that precursor to the survey so if there's somebody

00:38:15.720 --> 00:38:22.440
 that's not familiar with our meetings maybe they can come back and watch them yeah i this sort of

00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:29.240
 goes into the same category as the survey being too long just in terms of people's attention spans

00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:40.120
 people's time i'm just trying to think of of of ways that this can really be talked up

00:38:40.120 --> 00:38:45.240
 in a positive way about how important it is

00:38:45.240 --> 00:38:58.680
 airspots i don't know the public access tv city tv station i mean this needs to be blitzed because

00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:05.000
 if if the response is anything like voter turnout we're in big trouble

00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:13.080
 you know and we need to we need to do something to stress that this is really important this is

00:39:13.080 --> 00:39:18.280
 about our future not in a negative way no no scare tactics or anything because it's not about that

00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:27.000
 but just positive positive input is how this is so important for this and this this reason just basic

00:39:28.040 --> 00:39:34.120
 ideas so we have water in 25 years so we have we don't we have

00:39:34.120 --> 00:39:43.080
 consistent electricity anything i mean anything so what is our current population

00:39:43.080 --> 00:39:51.160
 something like 135 000 that's how bright it was 150 000 i think it's 147 i mean it's the last one

00:39:51.160 --> 00:39:56.760
 i saw so i would think i mean if our goal is a thousand i would i would hope that it would be

00:39:56.760 --> 00:40:02.120
 more than that with our population the way that it is i would hope too but that still in a lot of

00:40:02.120 --> 00:40:07.560
 ways still acts like it's a little town it's kind of not how i mean this is a snarky way to put it

00:40:07.560 --> 00:40:11.080
 but it's not really a statistics work right once you get to a big enough sample of your

00:40:11.080 --> 00:40:16.760
 presidential polling where you're judging you know 100 million people or whatever you know they do it

00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:22.280
 off of a few thousand just because after a while the shape of the curve forms and you can get a

00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:27.960
 bigger pile than the curve stays the same shape more or less so you know that's a good that's a

00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:33.480
 good sample you've got a thousand i mean i i know you know it feels better obviously if you have

00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:41.320
 half the population but right no no statistical sampling but the 300 that they're saying is is

00:40:41.320 --> 00:40:46.760
 too low it's probably well i don't know if it's a math question honestly i mean you you're your

00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:53.400
 confidence intervals on your on your answers like if it's a percentage on 348 i'm gonna i'm gonna

00:40:53.400 --> 00:41:00.360
 wager uh you're somewhere in the plus or minus two points with 90 confidence like if it says

00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:07.880
 you know 25 of the people feel this way if you do it off at 348 you're probably the right the

00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:16.680
 true answer is probably somewhere in like 23 to 27 you know that's not i can i'm not against bigger

00:41:16.680 --> 00:41:21.640
 samples but i'm just but i don't want to i wouldn't want anyone to have the impression that statistical

00:41:21.640 --> 00:41:31.560
 sampling is like doesn't work right so we'll have the webinar the initial webinar is online it lives

00:41:31.560 --> 00:41:40.120
 online so folks who watch that before they take the survey it's a good primer to get on dtv and

00:41:40.120 --> 00:41:45.000
 have a spot made for dtv that would probably take four or six weeks and that would be past the end

00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:50.200
 of the survey time that we have allotted for the study so we would have to push out the deliverable

00:41:50.200 --> 00:42:00.200
 date to do that we've had the two s five meetings we've had the town hall in the webinar we've been

00:42:00.200 --> 00:42:07.480
 sharing information about it and building the survey list or this email list so the one piece

00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:11.800
 i haven't done yet which i'm meeting with dinner for chronicle next week about doing the banner ads

00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:18.680
 on the drc online and the digital paper where we could get clicks that come to it

00:42:18.680 --> 00:42:23.320
 that's the one piece that we haven't built in yet but

00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:30.360
 probably we'll be able to get that up within a few weeks at the outside i think we'd get it up

00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:37.320
 sooner and i know there's good part available and perhaps even another article in the paper about

00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:40.200
 the plan in the survey

00:42:40.200 --> 00:42:49.640
 okay i think that would generate some more interest and i'll say as we shift to the meeting in a box

00:42:49.640 --> 00:42:55.960
 as well that we will definitely be almost reaching out more with this item i think than the survey

00:42:55.960 --> 00:43:01.400
 because they kind of go hand in hand and as as we already said this is a bit of a primer for that

00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:06.840
 and so i think this is something that we will be you know reaching out to folks quite a bit about

00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:15.320
 so we'll run through this quickly and the idea again is that a post so we will have a registration

00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:21.880
 form on our website for folks to sign up they can choose if they like to lead their own meeting

00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:25.240
 if they feel that they would like some staff assistance with that whether that be a quick

00:43:25.240 --> 00:43:31.560
 phone call for us to clarify some things in the intro or if it's us taking some time to go and

00:43:31.560 --> 00:43:37.400
 lead their meeting as well we're willing to do that and so we'll have that registration form

00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:43.480
 on there where they can pick a date and decide sort of what style they would like as catherine

00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:48.840
 said it'll be a kind of compact uh kit that they will get and it will include this presentation

00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:55.880
 the first part is instructions for them the goal here is to limit as many decisions as possible

00:43:55.880 --> 00:43:59.720
 and so you know there's a little bit of an icebreaker built in there if the folks don't

00:43:59.720 --> 00:44:04.440
 already know each other basically things that it's outlined for the host that you know you

00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:09.400
 don't have to make these decisions it's kind of start to finish what you can expect to do

00:44:12.600 --> 00:44:20.520
 um again it's it's during the meeting and so for the reason that um the idea is that community

00:44:20.520 --> 00:44:27.640
 this will be a community member led meeting it is not as heavy on the technical pieces

00:44:27.640 --> 00:44:31.720
 of these items there is a small amount of background but we don't want to put that

00:44:31.720 --> 00:44:36.440
 burden on community members to sort of educate themselves to the level where we are expecting

00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:43.240
 please explain you know the entire plan uh to folks so this is really um you know raising

00:44:43.240 --> 00:44:52.120
 awareness and gathering some high level ideas uh regarding the different action items uh so

00:44:52.120 --> 00:45:01.000
 very similar to the survey um it goes through the different topic areas um now we have narrowed this

00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:09.720
 down a bit um so we are very welcome to any notes or any um items that come out of the meeting we

00:45:09.720 --> 00:45:15.240
 definitely want to be able to capture that as kathryn said there is going to be a very very

00:45:15.240 --> 00:45:21.080
 short five question survey for individuals who participated in the meeting they will let us know

00:45:21.080 --> 00:45:25.960
 what meeting they participated in and answer five very short questions about how one how they felt

00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:32.360
 that the meeting went and also what their thoughts are on each of the different sectors one question

00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:38.920
 each to capture that and then we will also have an online form for the host to go and add their

00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:44.680
 open-ended notes from the meeting so general trends that they saw things like that and so we

00:45:44.680 --> 00:45:49.960
 will be capturing all of that information as well this is just a little bit of a sample of different

00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:55.640
 ways that the host or if they have a note taker even better can kind of gauge where folks are at

00:45:55.640 --> 00:46:00.200
 that attend their meeting yes so this is actually a physical meeting it's not a

00:46:00.200 --> 00:46:06.120
 remote it's people in somebody's living room uh essentially yes we're really hoping for

00:46:06.120 --> 00:46:11.480
 organizations that have sort of a public meeting space but we do also have an online option as well

00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:16.760
 so if folks want us to host an online meeting uh we we are willing to do that as well has this been

00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:24.120
 has this format been used before with issues or whatever kathryn you want to talk a little bit

00:46:24.120 --> 00:46:31.800
 about the dallas can you make the screen jt can you make the screen day for the folks at home on

00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:35.880
 um a little early maybe

00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:39.800
 okay

00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:48.440
 and we know that dallas worked with the meeting in the box concept

00:46:48.440 --> 00:46:52.600
 they did several hundred meetings whenever they were doing their climate action plan

00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:57.960
 do you remember the number i don't remember the exact number i think i can refresh that

00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:03.160
 and some jala a little right i thought they did bump up um i know that they they didn't have a lot

00:47:03.160 --> 00:47:08.440
 of takers at the beginning and then they started having a little bit of momentum and so they

00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:17.240
 extended it and um but it could be you know eight to ten people or less just small so this hasn't

00:47:17.240 --> 00:47:24.280
 been done in denton before this this format this is new

00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:36.680
 so when is this going to be the information about the this going to be disseminated to the public

00:47:36.680 --> 00:47:45.480
 brain has a question did you guys speak with the dallas office about how they got

00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:51.560
 this project framed up i've talked to sue about it in the past i'm just curious like what you said

00:47:51.560 --> 00:47:56.040
 there was like a kind of like a switch and then all of a sudden they got more uptake in people

00:47:56.040 --> 00:48:00.760
 hosting these meetings since we are there's a lot of information burden on the people doing that i

00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:05.640
 just wonder if they had maybe like a lessons learned that could help us get the ball rolling

00:48:05.640 --> 00:48:12.200
 on organizations to take it up well i'm going in the way back files here but i think they did a lot

00:48:12.200 --> 00:48:20.840
 of stuff left i don't know that there were as many community community left so do we actually

00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:29.320
 have a list of of organizations that can or will be contacted yes great is it at some point can we

00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:36.920
 get that list it's going to be coupled together from all of our um outreach lists but we could

00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:42.760
 probably share because we might see some things where we could add something to it anyway and i

00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:51.160
 can tell you generally it's um asia ways management companies our university contacts

00:48:51.160 --> 00:49:00.120
 local service organizations um just kind of any group that you can think of it might have a

00:49:00.120 --> 00:49:05.560
 nice contact list the chamber will be reached out to the chamber oh good um i think some of

00:49:05.560 --> 00:49:09.480
 the faith-based organizations are on the list that we have i was going to say if there's any

00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:15.880
 churches that would be good we have contacts um at several of the churches where we've worked with

00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:24.920
 them on recycling programs we're pulling from all of our lists so any suggestions open to suggestions

00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:31.480
 yeah you might you might have said it i'm just uh uh asking after hoa's neighborhood association

00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:38.600
 is that in your list too like this you know yeah let's say the obvious one we have um we have lists

00:49:38.600 --> 00:49:43.240
 pretty comprehensive list with recycling that we reach out to all the great all the groups that we

00:49:43.240 --> 00:49:50.200
 can adam ahead well are you going to keep going through the slides uh yeah we'll talk about a

00:49:50.200 --> 00:49:55.400
 little bit about the presentation itself yes and that's where my question is okay i'm not ahead of

00:49:55.400 --> 00:50:03.080
 the game um yeah so from there on forward um all of the slides will be available to uh the presenter

00:50:03.080 --> 00:50:09.080
 to go through and so that it is um you know consistent in that way throughout all of the

00:50:09.080 --> 00:50:14.360
 different meetings with the background information that's provided again sort of why why are we here

00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:20.120
 what are the goals of the city and how does that fit into the larger picture of what the climate

00:50:20.120 --> 00:50:28.040
 action plan is trying to achieve um very generic here on some of these questions um in terms of

00:50:28.040 --> 00:50:33.400
 just you know getting the conversation started and what the the meeting hopes to address um of

00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:37.960
 course the goal with the meeting in a box smaller groups a little bit more honest and relaxed

00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:43.000
 conversations there for folks and so that's really what we're hoping to get we'll be interested to

00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:46.840
 see um you know how those results track with the survey and things of that nature

00:50:49.640 --> 00:50:55.720
 uh as we said a little bit of background on uh the energy and emissions um again not as intense as

00:50:55.720 --> 00:51:01.320
 you'll see in the um in the town halls or in the recordings that are currently on the website

00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:09.400
 um for the um for any staff-led ones that we have you know internal staff will be prepped to answer

00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:13.480
 those questions but we want to make sure that the burden is not on community members to be

00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:17.720
 bombarded with questions that they may not be able to answer is this where your question

00:51:17.720 --> 00:51:29.320
 yeah I have a issue with at least the perceived inflation of energy and emissions in this

00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:38.760
 report our goal is not net zero energy so I don't know why we have a graph right away talking about

00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:46.680
 gigajoules when that's not the problem at least not the way we framed it the next graph has co2

00:51:46.680 --> 00:51:53.240
 equivalent emissions but that's by fuel so right away I feel like this is confusing for people

00:51:53.240 --> 00:52:00.600
 like are we trying to get net zero energy are we worth no it's emissions so I feel like we need some

00:52:00.600 --> 00:52:09.560
 refining on how we frame this problem and the goals with especially these graphs and I'm sorry

00:52:09.560 --> 00:52:16.040
 because I wasn't paying attention I didn't know industrial wasn't modeled in our or captured in

00:52:16.040 --> 00:52:22.760
 our inventory because here it has industrial if you go back to the next one is a pretty big chunk

00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:27.560
 of energy though so but what I don't know is is that all electricity and if it's all green

00:52:27.560 --> 00:52:31.960
 electricity then that's fine that's consistent with our goals so you can see how people would be like

00:52:31.960 --> 00:52:35.880
 well my gosh industrial is going to be a big problem and we don't even capture that in our

00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:39.160
 inventory but then we're have to say well no it's okay because it's all going to be green

00:52:40.120 --> 00:52:46.360
 or is it are they going to be using coal or who god knows what you know so do you see them saying

00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:55.320
 this point well taken I think switching this out to more of the emissions in general that you're

00:52:55.320 --> 00:53:01.800
 saying and I think I think that is well taken I think the by fuel gets a little bit a little

00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:10.280
 bit too deep on it for the the style of meaning that this is yeah it emissions by sector right

00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:20.920
 right yeah yes our if it's in there pardon me but is there a definition of co2e yes so there's a

00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:28.840
 glossary at the end of this so the gigajoules are in there too yes yeah well I mean I think this is

00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:37.800
 way over a lot of people's head and that they would be put off by this sort of thing if we say

00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:44.120
 it needs to be simple into the point I don't see this needs to be simplified because it's big it's

00:53:44.120 --> 00:53:47.400
 I could see how people would throw their hands up

00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:53.640
 quite well taken I think that we can definitely make that happen

00:53:57.320 --> 00:54:02.520
 I think maybe even this is you know a little bit more towards the simplification of what what do

00:54:02.520 --> 00:54:09.560
 things look like right yeah and so and again this one as well sort of you know what what form are

00:54:09.560 --> 00:54:14.840
 all action items going to take you know they're going to fall into one of these categories and

00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:20.760
 then really the presentation the main the bulk of it is you know what are the main areas that we have

00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:27.640
 work to do and you know let's have some conversations about what is most appealing and what the largest

00:54:27.640 --> 00:54:35.640
 hurdles are in each of these sections and so each one has some topic questions and and really I

00:54:35.640 --> 00:54:39.560
 think the big ones right are the same thing that we're trying to gather from the survey in terms

00:54:39.560 --> 00:54:45.000
 of what are the hurdles you know what would convince you to do something what what's in your way and I

00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:53.560
 think you know that is the the props of what we're hoping to get from the meetings just one other

00:54:53.560 --> 00:55:03.080
 thing in the campaigns past environmental campaigns that I've been involved in it's a matter of getting

00:55:03.080 --> 00:55:09.720
 a message out of what we need to do and why we need to do it and I think that anything that can be

00:55:09.720 --> 00:55:22.760
 that basic will go a lot further than than all the little figures and all that stuff here's why we

00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:31.400
 want to put this plan together boom here's what we can do boom if you want more information boom

00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:40.440
 go here at least something that the person's going to go oh wow that grabs somebody the city

00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:47.320
 needs to do this we need to do this and here's why you know it's just basic advertising go ahead

00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:54.440
 I simply just want to want to chime in and confirm the concept that he's presenting I'm a pastor I

00:55:54.440 --> 00:56:01.640
 generally had 30 to 40 minutes to have the impact the glossary alone is three pages long it would

00:56:01.640 --> 00:56:06.200
 take me 30 minutes to help people understand now I'm grabbing the average community in which I live

00:56:06.200 --> 00:56:13.560
 in this really needs to be brought down to a level and a language that the average layperson

00:56:13.560 --> 00:56:19.400
 can understand I would lose people in the first two or three minutes even trying to invite people

00:56:19.400 --> 00:56:25.880
 to this type of this is really high level my I'm a mastered degree individual this is high level

00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:31.080
 information to try and present to the average individual I think that's well taken and I think

00:56:31.080 --> 00:56:36.360
 even for the staff led ones of course just because we could does mean that we should for those so

00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:41.720
 well taken go ahead too I think this is into it's kind of completely compare with you I think this

00:56:41.720 --> 00:56:47.720
 format of public engagement is one of the best tools that we do have to emphasize those major

00:56:47.720 --> 00:56:53.000
 points that we're talking about to overcome the information separation that we have with

00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:56.840
 we're all sitting here we receive this every single meeting all of us are steeped

00:56:56.840 --> 00:57:02.440
 we represent our community because this is the issues that we care about my neighbor next door

00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:06.360
 my roommates don't have the same level of information that I think really just driving

00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:12.200
 those main points home this type of format would serve it really well because you do get to have

00:57:12.200 --> 00:57:17.240
 those really personal conversations here's what we're proposing here we know are the big impacts

00:57:17.720 --> 00:57:21.960
 and then I know this is partly to gauge the receptiveness as well as the same similar questions

00:57:21.960 --> 00:57:27.240
 as gets into the survey but to Ed's point and to to window's point I think this is

00:57:27.240 --> 00:57:32.760
 needs to be simplified and really just be a communication tool for what really matters

00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:42.600
 I think we need to be very careful because this is the community engagement part of it and I don't

00:57:42.600 --> 00:57:48.520
 want to drive them to such a narrow focus by telling them what we need them to do we need them

00:57:48.520 --> 00:57:54.680
 to tell us a good deal of that rather than it being and if we weren't going to do community

00:57:54.680 --> 00:57:59.880
 engagement we could just create a plan so it's there needs to be a balance there I understand

00:57:59.880 --> 00:58:03.960
 it's pretty high level we can work on the language we can work on

00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:13.000
 some more examples yet not to get too long it's going to be a balance and it may be better that

00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:21.480
 it be staff-led instead of citizen-led it may all be staff-led I think then and I totally go

00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:27.000
 what you're saying because I know we're really trying to avoid being prescriptive that I wonder

00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:33.400
 then if the purpose of this meeting is for the meeting in a box is to get that feedback or is

00:58:33.400 --> 00:58:39.160
 that what we're trying to achieve with the survey do we need these dual forms of tools or can we do

00:58:39.160 --> 00:58:44.600
 something more educational in this type of format and then get the receptiveness or the feedback in

00:58:44.600 --> 00:58:50.280
 the survey form I'm just wondering if we need what feels like overlapping goals with two different

00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:57.320
 tools that are trying to achieve it feels a little vague to me I just wonder to the simplification

00:58:57.320 --> 00:59:02.520
 message if this can be more of an educational component similar to the town halls about

00:59:02.520 --> 00:59:07.240
 what are these processes what do these look like and then use a separate tool for that feedback

00:59:07.240 --> 00:59:20.120
 I think I've struggled I want to get them before they answer you okay um I've struggled with that

00:59:20.120 --> 00:59:23.000
 I really didn't want these to come out at the same time

00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:28.600
 ideally there would have been the meeting in a box and then the survey later

00:59:32.120 --> 00:59:41.240
 ideally I do think that the folks who are engaged and who are passionate about the topic are going

00:59:41.240 --> 00:59:46.520
 to be the ones who jump in and take the survey right away I think that there is a huge segment

00:59:46.520 --> 00:59:52.440
 of folks hopefully a huge segment a segment that want to know more and we'll do the meeting in a

00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:57.560
 box and we'll get the engagement back from them and we may only get the brief where am I ready to

00:59:57.560 --> 01:00:02.280
 change in what we talked about in this meeting they might not ever go through the long survey

01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:06.520
 but we're going to still capture some of what they did and what they felt walking out of that

01:00:06.520 --> 01:00:14.520
 meeting ideally they'd be engaged enough to go take the survey initially it was just going to be

01:00:14.520 --> 01:00:20.520
 meeting in a box one person jot down what everybody thought and I'm like what if everybody

01:00:20.520 --> 01:00:27.080
 didn't think that so that's where we went back with probably five questions I think that everybody

01:00:27.080 --> 01:00:32.520
 every meeting of attendee can fill out one of those and we can tell what meeting they were at

01:00:32.520 --> 01:00:36.200
 and then we can also go back and look at what the meeting notes said if there were meeting notes

01:00:36.200 --> 01:00:42.520
 so we didn't want to miss the opportunity to capture what everyone was feeling walking out of that

01:00:42.520 --> 01:00:51.160
 yeah we need to find a balance I understand what you're saying it's not an easy topic

01:00:54.760 --> 01:00:57.960
 a component considered I don't see a train the trainer

01:00:57.960 --> 01:01:05.640
 component in here and I think that would be very very valuable to help promote it I'm thinking

01:01:05.640 --> 01:01:10.600
 block the block almost you know I'm thinking about the community of again which I live in

01:01:10.600 --> 01:01:18.280
 I would love to present something among these lines two out of me prepared for two hour up to

01:01:18.280 --> 01:01:24.920
 two hour meetings that's just not going to happen of course any community of which I have been in

01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:30.280
 business meetings you name it we're not trying to be too out so a train the trainer component would

01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:35.240
 I think would be very helpful for those who do have interest as you have just stated there are

01:01:35.240 --> 01:01:41.320
 folks that that would eat this stuff right we need to identify those and then we can help you or

01:01:41.320 --> 01:01:47.400
 utilize them to help get this message into the neighborhoods that's where it needs to be and

01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:51.720
 that would be a great way to filter down what's really needed if we didn't train the trainer

01:01:51.720 --> 01:01:55.560
 session and go through these initial slides so this is what we're trying to communicate how

01:01:55.560 --> 01:01:59.640
 best is that going to work for you there you go there you go and then I can see it simplified

01:01:59.640 --> 01:02:06.760
 simply or maybe even more simplistic and that allowed the trainer I'm taking that hat if you

01:02:06.760 --> 01:02:13.960
 move it I'm giving it to you yeah allow me to cut the information down to where the trainer can

01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:18.120
 present here's the state of the union ladies and gentlemen 25 years we may not have clean water to

01:02:18.120 --> 01:02:25.720
 drink 20 years what are your kids your grandkids going to do I'm going to his session yeah so we

01:02:25.720 --> 01:02:30.840
 want to make sure that people understand the severity of what it is we are doing this is a

01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:36.680
 very important matter yes we need your input yes we need your suggestions but yes we need some

01:02:36.680 --> 01:02:41.640
 commitment to hearing the steps that we need to take so that I can make sure my granddaughter

01:02:41.640 --> 01:02:47.800
 that clean drinking water in 25 years so if we can approach people you know but in a very simplistic

01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:54.840
 manner okay I got my preaching hat on and that's that's what we have to do we got a short period

01:02:54.840 --> 01:02:59.320
 of time to present here's the state of the union this is what happens if we don't make an adjustment

01:02:59.320 --> 01:03:04.040
 here's the chance here's the opportunities to participate to impact and affect our future

01:03:04.040 --> 01:03:08.920
 I think these are great comments we can take back to ssg and talk about how we might be able

01:03:08.920 --> 01:03:13.640
 to break this down a little bit more and then we can sit down and think too about how we want to

01:03:13.640 --> 01:03:17.720
 present this to the folks who are going to have meetings and just that it's more like climate

01:03:17.720 --> 01:03:23.000
 oriented I mean like I'm reading these and some of these you know some of the questions are like

01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:28.360
 the surveys that we see on parks and some of them like just the regular do you love living in your

01:03:28.360 --> 01:03:35.160
 city kind of question like you know that's that's not necessarily that's a good thing to know but

01:03:35.160 --> 01:03:40.200
 you know how does it relate to the climate action plan when we're trying to pare it down maybe we

01:03:40.200 --> 01:03:47.960
 just assume they all live in here well yeah I mean it's just kind of something that we're trying to

01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:55.800
 find you know minutes to take off I'll think I was behind you yeah I was just going to make

01:04:00.520 --> 01:04:08.520
 this I mean we we all have a lot of work to do because as far as I know

01:04:08.520 --> 01:04:14.200
 climate change has never been one of the top 10 priorities of the city

01:04:14.200 --> 01:04:23.000
 and it was not in the last list that came out that the mayor gave out climate change was not in

01:04:24.280 --> 01:04:31.400
 city's top 10 priorities we need to make it we need to do something to get into the top 10

01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:37.080
 and if that means I don't know what that means I don't know the

01:04:37.080 --> 01:04:43.160
 directions that one would take within the city hierarchy to get something like this

01:04:43.160 --> 01:04:49.800
 to where there's a united front here saying folks we need to protect our community from

01:04:49.800 --> 01:04:57.800
 from what's going on and if if I just it just burned me every time I would see that that was

01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:05.560
 never listed by the mayor or the council as council's top 10 priorities not really discussed

01:05:05.560 --> 01:05:13.960
 at uh retreats mentioned but not really discussed to the extent that it should be so I mean we've

01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:20.520
 got we've got to offset that and it does roll under sustainability environment which is the

01:05:20.520 --> 01:05:31.240
 the larger heading in the priorities this is a question I should have asked at the beginning of

01:05:31.240 --> 01:05:38.120
 the meeting in a box thing like asked for the questionnaire so what is the output what are

01:05:38.120 --> 01:05:43.320
 the answers that we will get but you know what form does it take what would you expect to report out

01:05:44.120 --> 01:05:50.440
 uh you know the outcome the output from these meeting boxers and integrated into the now that

01:05:50.440 --> 01:05:57.080
 it is happening simultaneously is it integrated into one big readout of the community that's real

01:05:57.080 --> 01:06:02.680
 meeting a box as this services this uh how does that work this one is less influential on the

01:06:02.680 --> 01:06:11.640
 actions this is more for the educational component and the um its purpose is to educate yes it is to

01:06:11.640 --> 01:06:18.440
 raise awareness of the climate action plan and what it is and then also gain as Catherine said

01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:23.000
 not missing the opportunity to gain some feedback but it is not going to be built in the same way

01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:30.360
 that the survey items are we will take a look at the overall what was the feeling from the meeting

01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:36.440
 in the box how does that compare to the survey but it may just be they they were similar they

01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:46.120
 were in agreement i wonder then uh you know if it's primarily cell you know less input uh i wonder

01:06:46.120 --> 01:06:50.760
 if they should be sequenced but but it's the opposite sequence that i think you were made

01:06:50.760 --> 01:06:56.680
 originally out of mine you're you're crafting the plan but we are crafting the plan based on

01:06:56.680 --> 01:07:02.200
 input from the survey where we have all the best ideas we think and we're going to find out what's

01:07:02.200 --> 01:07:07.720
 doable and what sequence and why that people will find palatable that's going to lead to a dynamite

01:07:07.720 --> 01:07:15.000
 plan that people will we hope will embrace then you sell that into the community through these

01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:22.360
 meetings that have much more of a pastor steven's uh approach you know that express urgency and call

01:07:22.360 --> 01:07:30.040
 for participation and you know it's it's uh it's not a survey tool anything i think to your point

01:07:30.040 --> 01:07:35.720
 for the reason that it does not hinge on the action items being developed we have no intention

01:07:35.720 --> 01:07:40.120
 of putting a hard stop to the meaning in the box the same way that we did the survey because those

01:07:40.120 --> 01:07:44.920
 are needed for the model whereas the meeting in the box results are not and so i think the intention

01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:49.720
 is to continue on with the meeting in the box as long as folks want them throughout the course

01:07:49.720 --> 01:07:53.800
 wouldn't you put different things in the box if you already had your crafted plan and you knew what

01:07:53.800 --> 01:07:59.960
 the highest priorities were that you needed this you know the residents to take action on i think

01:07:59.960 --> 01:08:03.400
 you can shift the action is part of one of the keywords right it's the climate action plan

01:08:03.400 --> 01:08:09.880
 you want people to take action i think it can shift as the town halls shift there's no town hall

01:08:09.880 --> 01:08:14.840
 that's going to be the same information twice and so i think as we enter those different sections

01:08:14.840 --> 01:08:19.080
 of the plan and what we're presenting in the town halls we can shift to the union box as well

01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:25.240
 something you want to think about though right okay thank you are you good

01:08:25.240 --> 01:08:35.800
 okay y'all have what you need going forward i think so yeah did you need any more questions

01:08:35.800 --> 01:08:48.200
 all right thank you so much all right so yeah we will move on to item c staff reports and the

01:08:48.200 --> 01:08:53.000
 matrix um i don't know that you guys take off in a little bit do you have anything

01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:55.880
 with the matrix if you'd like to change your ad

01:08:55.880 --> 01:09:05.000
 no i don't know i have one does anybody else have anything i might have okay all

01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:15.960
 go ahead i'm just looking at uh we have a adam brand requested a review of current development

01:09:15.960 --> 01:09:24.840
 codes parking minimums and on street parking would that include energy efficient building codes

01:09:24.840 --> 01:09:33.240
 is that is that no that would be under building codes okay then then i would like a report

01:09:33.240 --> 01:09:40.680
 or a presentation about the city's current green building codes

01:09:44.280 --> 01:09:51.400
 thank you um my question is i know that the um the speaker came up and mentioned the

01:09:51.400 --> 01:09:59.320
 denton data center and i actually have requested a presentation from dv on that and it says that

01:09:59.320 --> 01:10:09.400
 there's going to be a staff report um instead of a meeting or a presentation i if the if they can

01:10:09.400 --> 01:10:13.720
 put the energy usage in that staff report if they don't want to come and do an actual

01:10:13.720 --> 01:10:20.360
 presentation which eventually we may ask for um the energy usage of that data center and

01:10:20.360 --> 01:10:26.200
 and the offsets of that they can make sure and include that in the staff report i don't know

01:10:26.200 --> 01:10:33.240
 what how detailed or not they're planning on that being but um just to make sure that that's addressed

01:10:33.240 --> 01:10:42.440
 if possible i don't know that will be possible okay i will

01:10:43.400 --> 01:10:51.880
 talk to them and i know we it gets into the customer service side of it too

01:10:51.880 --> 01:10:59.960
 i'm sharing customer information so what just the overall usage of the data center

01:10:59.960 --> 01:11:07.160
 yeah so there is a bill that passed i think it was in 2021 that limits our ability to give

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 information about individual customers of our utilities can we abstract that data enough to

01:11:14.120 --> 01:11:20.200
 where maybe this is just based on industrial type or customer type to where we can get generalized

01:11:20.200 --> 01:11:25.960
 information over the these types of i think we're going in the direction of high energy users within

01:11:25.960 --> 01:11:32.040
 the city portfolio is there a way that that could be abstracted to whether or not identifying any

01:11:32.040 --> 01:11:38.440
 information with a particular customer i i don't know what's possible with that we'll have to

01:11:38.440 --> 01:11:45.400
 look at it and you may ask them if they'd rather do a presentation to us rather than a staff report

01:11:45.400 --> 01:11:52.440
 i mean either way we might be better that was the only thing that that i wanted to bring up okay

01:11:52.440 --> 01:12:00.200
 okay i think we're good we can move on to concluding items anybody have concluding items

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 no okay then we will end the meeting at 2 12 thank you very much thank you