1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:11,160 All right welcome. Welcome to the Sustainability Framework Advisory Committee. It is one o'clock 2 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:17,560 and we are in the City Council Work Session Room and we do have a quorum. Everyone's here 3 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:25,960 today. Welcome. And we will get started here with our first item for individual consideration. 4 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:32,680 Consider approval of the January 27, 2023 minutes and today we do have a speaker on 5 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:38,200 this item, William Minas. You want to come up and I think you have three minutes, is 6 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:51,800 that correct? Four minutes. And we actually are using the mics up above us today so make 7 00:00:51,800 --> 00:01:01,080 sure and kind of project up. Okay. And she's going to time me so we've got four minutes. 8 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:07,320 Welcome. Good afternoon. My name is comic Bill. Bill Minas. I appreciate the time. I've 9 00:01:07,320 --> 00:01:13,560 been here four times and I really enjoyed the information I've gathered here and I appreciate 10 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:19,480 all the work you do as volunteers. I was here at the last meeting and I heard Bill Shepard's 11 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:27,000 presentation on about how to make some changes for solar panels and the energy efficiency 12 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:33,080 program and so I wrote a long letter. I sent it to Catherine and she she forwarded the 13 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:40,760 bill and Bill called me up and we had a little bill on bill conversation there and so he 14 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:50,040 invited me on a little bit but then after I hung up I had a few I said wait a minute. 15 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:51,640 One thing he wants you know the $500,000 that's going towards solar panels he wants to move 16 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:57,080 that to the energy efficiency program because he says it's more bang for the buck for every 17 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:04,520 dollar you spend you'll you'll you'll reduce more kilowatts per hour. Well his problem 18 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:12,280 is because the solar panels were cities using less electricity which so they can't they're 19 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,680 charging us less it's throwing the city in the red. Well this would do it more wouldn't 20 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:22,760 it this making houses more efficient they'll lose less electricity and now we're in the 21 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:29,320 red five times. I don't know that's I didn't I didn't understand that at all and also noticed 22 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:36,280 that the energy efficiency last month not a dime had been spent out of it. You're not 23 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:41,560 going to gain a lot of efficiency if you never spend the money but I did pull it up and somehow 24 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:51,960 in January 35,000 was used so now it's down to 215,000. I think and I think the increasing 25 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:59,640 having a two-tier flat rate system one for solar panel people and one for homeowners is a rabbit 26 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:06,200 hole. You can so you're going to charge the same base rate for all solar panel owners whether they 27 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:12,840 have 12 pounds or whether they have 55 pounds and I can take you to a house on the corner street 28 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:20,360 it's 1100 square feet really maybe a low income family I don't know but I think 60 raising their 29 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:27,160 flat rate by $50 a month would be an impact on them. Also doesn't the same old truth I have an 30 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:32,920 electric car so I'm using more electricity I just bought this like a huge appliance and just got 31 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:42,360 moved in so that's just the opposite what maybe electric cars are offsetting the reduction of 32 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:50,520 electricity for solar panels. Also Bill never mentioned this thing about the mining deal we have 33 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:58,520 with crypto people. Isn't that half of our energy we use? I thought somehow that should be part of 34 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:03,400 the conversation because that enters into it it might make this all kind of insignificant. 35 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:18,280 Also I want to read one more thing oh guiding principles your guiding principles one of them 36 00:04:18,280 --> 00:04:26,920 is maintain a diversified power supply portfolio while establishing aggressive energy and efficiency 37 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:34,200 constant and energy conservation programs aggressive energy efficiency and energy 38 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:40,840 conservation programs and now you want to increase the base for solar panel users 39 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:48,760 maybe you need to change your guiding principles if you recommend this thank you. 40 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:59,240 All right so we will move on to the consider approval of January 27, 41 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:07,400 2023 minutes does anyone have any comments? I would like to amend the minutes as they're listed 42 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:13,560 please okay so on the minutes it indicates that only two of our members were in favor of 43 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:21,000 the options presented under item D and I believe and I can't quote for VEDA but I had suggested 44 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:26,120 that I was at least in principle in favor of that option as well of what was presented and I would 45 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:32,280 like my name to be added to that approval list I remember that there was just one other layer 46 00:05:32,280 --> 00:05:38,920 of consideration that I had a concern on but in general I did motion approval for that item as 47 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:44,360 the options were presented and I'd like it to be reflected in the minutes. Okay all right anyone 48 00:05:44,360 --> 00:06:02,760 else have a comment on that? I'd get a motion for approval. I'll move approval of the minutes as amended. Okay second? All right all in favor all right can we please 49 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:12,760 amend those minutes to reflect that brand was in favor okay thank you we will move on to item B 50 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:18,520 receive a report hold a discussion regarding climate action and adaptation plan draft community 51 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:26,840 survey and meeting in a box engagement tools. Who's going to be presenting that to us today? 52 00:06:26,840 --> 00:06:48,920 I think it's going to be Big E. So the engagement tools are in final close to final drafts I just 53 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:54,680 got another email with some changes but we wanted to give an opportunity for the committee to walk 54 00:06:54,680 --> 00:07:00,360 through what will be going out to the community next week both the survey and the meeting in a 55 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:07,160 box tool we'll have the registration to request a meeting in a box live and I think that's all 56 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:12,680 like next week so we wanted that committee to have a chance to look at the tools before they go back 57 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,840 and we still have time to make any amendments that we need to based on recommendations. 58 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:24,040 Just a little break around so the progress to date and then we'll look at the community engagement 59 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:31,240 survey and review the meeting in a box. Just a little bit of history so the work plan 60 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:39,400 the selection of SSG we did the public engagement webinar back on December 14th and then the town 61 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:46,840 hall January 26th we were with this committee on the 27th we've reviewed the business's planning 62 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:55,320 analysis and then we presented to the council committee on the environment on non-wednesday. 63 00:07:55,320 --> 00:08:01,000 So as I said the lunch week February 27th the survey will be live for a minimum of four weeks 64 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:07,480 we'll promote that on the website social media events we're talking about some tabling events 65 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,880 so that we can try to get more folks driven towards that survey so that we get as much 66 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:19,800 input as possible. SSG has a minimum threshold of 385 respondents that's really low to us we've 67 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:25,400 the last two surveys that I've done for sustainability and one for solid waste 68 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:31,400 we've had over 1000 respondents so I feel like we can definitely get there 385. It is a little 69 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:38,440 bit of a longer survey that's a concern for me but we've already made some recommendations to cut 70 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:48,520 down some of that length. So the meeting inbox the request form will be on the website we have it 71 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:55,800 going out in the March citizen connection so that it'll get in every utility bill account hands and 72 00:08:55,800 --> 00:09:03,240 as I said in person virtual staff led or participant led options it'll be truly a box that we can hand 73 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,880 folks with all the tools they need to do the meeting and then all the feedback will be incorporated 74 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:14,760 moving forward. We're trying to get a standardized survey for participants from meeting in a box that 75 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,760 will be a much shorter how did the meeting go what were the conclusions from the meeting how 76 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,840 did the discussions go that will be standardized across the meeting in a box so that we're collecting 77 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:32,520 the same information from each meeting. We have a second town hall community workshop coming in March 78 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,960 and then we'll be back to this committee for a presentation also in March. 79 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:51,000 And then we have your document. We have a question. Yeah I'm sorry being a little 80 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,920 later to the party here but it helped me if you could talk a little about 81 00:09:54,920 --> 00:10:02,680 what is the objective of the survey like are all the good ideas or whatever are you know all the 82 00:10:02,680 --> 00:10:07,480 things we think are good ideas substantively for sustainability or you know leading good 83 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:13,960 ideas for sustainability and resilience in there and we want to know what's most palatable to the 84 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:19,240 public so because the idea is that we might not do some if the public didn't found them 85 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:24,760 unpalatable and we want to get like a rank sort out of that is that the goal? There is rank sorting 86 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:32,600 and I think it's more the palatability and then the readiness to adopt some of these changes 87 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:37,320 and is there an area where we need to do more education so that people understand what we're 88 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,640 actually leading up to you know we talked one of the questions we spent a lot of time on was 89 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:47,560 electric vehicle adoption you know is the opinion that there's not enough mechanics 90 00:10:47,560 --> 00:10:53,000 in town for the EV population as it grows you know are you going to have concerns about having 91 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:58,040 your vehicle serviced you know can we find out what that actually looks like is that a true concern 92 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:03,160 for didn't so it might ultimately guide I'm trying to get a feel for like what do you do with the 93 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:09,160 output you know might it lead ultimately to phasing of the climate action plan is that kind of the 94 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:14,840 idea like what you know what has to happen before which which things yes and so some of them are 95 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:19,240 longer term some of them you know you can have some quick changes that might make a difference 96 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:23,640 you know in a short term window you know like a six month to a year but some of them are building 97 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:31,640 programs and you know an education piece for the community and then an implementation so a lot of 98 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,080 things that we work on you know you may have an education year before you move into the next steps 99 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:44,760 and yeah just moving adoption along okay yeah also I think you're already doing this so this is like 100 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:49,640 all a question but are you using the meetings as kind of communication checks on the way these 101 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:55,240 things are described because you know that's like a famous hole to walk walk into right with consumer 102 00:11:55,240 --> 00:12:00,200 researchers sometimes just the way you put things people look at it or they think you need something 103 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:05,880 different like it's you know so are the kind of concepts getting the language around the concepts 104 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:11,080 getting refined out of the meetings that you've already had so I think so I think so especially 105 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:17,800 the consultant we we've had several discussions about what that looks like and what that looks 106 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:25,400 like here as well so it's interesting we we've had definitely some refining of the topics and 107 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:31,160 and then also as we have discussions with community members kind of backing up and seeing 108 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:37,080 what that means to them and making sure that there's a common understanding okay oh more 109 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:43,640 questions I have a question about the meetings well we have if when you have in-person meetings 110 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:49,480 will there be computers set up with the survey like there had been before like certain so that 111 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:55,080 people that come to the meeting can actually take the survey while they're there or no I think we 112 00:12:55,080 --> 00:13:00,920 can do that um I know we'll have the QR code and it'll be mobile friendly so you can also do it on 113 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:06,440 your phone but we are doing some of our other recycling games and things like that with iPad 114 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:11,720 whenever we go out so yeah I mean just for those who may not be computer savvy or who may not be 115 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:17,400 able to you know do it from their home without internet or something just an option it's a 116 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:22,200 survey monkey form so we can also do a printout okay and have a paper copy this will make sure 117 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:31,240 we're capturing everything everything thank you and we can walk through both of these items really 118 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:39,880 quick just to give an overview so we'll take a look here at the survey first and as you stated 119 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:46,120 some of the outcomes here and so this will be reflected in the questions as well but basically 120 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,840 I'm taking a look at some of the background information related to climate change and where 121 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:55,480 folks are at on that as well as some of the barriers and then readiness for some of the 122 00:13:55,480 --> 00:14:00,920 action items you'll notice in the questions that the action items are not called out specifically 123 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:08,520 it's more topic focused but the answers to those questions on the topics will lead to and especially 124 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,840 with those hurdles in mind what are going to be the action items that are going to help best 125 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:21,720 help residents overcome those hurdles towards those action items as we stated 385 respondents 126 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:26,920 and this is the PDF version that we have here today for you but this will all be in the survey 127 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:34,120 monkey platform and so we will be sending the results to SSG for analysis and then we'll also 128 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:40,440 be doing some internal sustainability staff analysis as well currently we're looking at a 129 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:46,440 four-week time frame so launching next week and being open for four weeks within the first two 130 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:53,080 weeks we'll do a gauge of where we're at on making sure that we have sort of an equitable sample of 131 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:58,360 the community and so we'll be checking in on that on a weekly basis if we need to increase the 132 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:04,840 time frame to either get to the respondent cap or to ensure that we have equity in the pool 133 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:13,720 we will do that at that time so the survey starts out with a lot of background information here on 134 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:20,360 climate change we did take this down a little bit we didn't want it to be too much of a barrier for 135 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:25,320 folks to be spending too much time on this and we also have the option if you do want to sort of go 136 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:29,240 through this and go right to the questions if it's something that you're already well versed on 137 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:33,480 and you're ready to take the survey you can do that as well again just to eliminate another 138 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:40,040 hurdle there but it describes how the plan came about and a little bit about the the city's current 139 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:51,320 goals and objectives like i said there so it talks about some of the impacts related to climate 140 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:56,600 change and basically for anybody that is going into this brand new it's the first two pages of 141 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:01,880 the survey but it does prep you to take the survey and answer all of those questions as informed as 142 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:13,320 you can be so as i said all of the questions are broken up into the different topic areas 143 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:20,600 the first section or topic area is about climate change in general how folks feel about some of the 144 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:26,600 the threats how they feel about denton and and denton's role in this and so that is the first 145 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:33,800 section after that we get into a little bit of background information focusing on the three main 146 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:39,000 sectors that are were a part of that greenhouse gas inventory that you saw and that's transportation 147 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:46,040 buildings and then the waste sector as well and so a little bit of background on emissions what 148 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:52,600 are our current emissions based on that baseline and where did they come from and then a little bit 149 00:16:52,600 --> 00:17:01,240 of definitions there as well and so the first section is as we talked about a little bit all 150 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:08,440 in regards to transportation and so as i said really in these action item sections engaging 151 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:13,720 readiness engaging what are the hurdles for folks to overcome when it comes to some of these action 152 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:21,320 items and if you have any questions along the way feel free to jump in in the section and go ahead 153 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:27,480 yeah i had a question on uh it's page 11 where i see that 154 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:37,240 where industrial processes have not been estimated is there a timeline when we'll have that 155 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:42,840 that is not going to be included in the greenhouse gas inventory so the greenhouse 156 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:47,560 gas inventory for the climate plan is essentially finished and that was what was presented at the 157 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:56,120 two meetings ago uh two meetings ago and so um for those ones especially with those internal 158 00:17:56,120 --> 00:18:00,520 processes now we have things like utility usage electricity and natural gas usage at those 159 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:06,360 industries but the internal processes are not estimated in the scope of this project 160 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:15,480 and uh one question under the scope too it says emissions from purchased and or acquired 161 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:23,240 what's the difference between purchased and acquired does that mean generated or um i will 162 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:30,200 have to double check on that and we can follow up on that absolutely anyone else have a question on 163 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:39,480 what we've heard so far oh i have one more okay may i yeah go ahead um i think it's on is it on 164 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:48,120 page six just an idea of what something means there's a term used called clean tech is that 165 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:54,520 on this page yeah there it's down in the circle on the right what is clean tech 166 00:18:56,360 --> 00:19:03,560 um also potentially a good point for a definition there this this one came from ssg as a you know 167 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:10,120 standard photo for this survey and so we can follow up on that as well and is there any need 168 00:19:10,120 --> 00:19:22,120 for desire to where we have energy efficient buildings to to maybe focus that a little more 169 00:19:22,120 --> 00:19:31,960 and say all electric energy efficient buildings both residential and commercial 170 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:38,280 are you referring to this graphic specifically or in general yeah and then just in general 171 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:44,280 energy efficient buildings is pretty vague what makes a building energy efficient what would have 172 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:53,320 to be done in order to do that aside from windows and that sort of stuff the idea of well i mean 173 00:19:53,320 --> 00:20:00,840 a lot of a lot of cities now are mandating new construction with all electric appliances as you 174 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:07,240 know and i didn't know if that was something that could be at least introduced and maybe it already 175 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:14,360 has been in this plan rather than just a blanket statement like energy efficient and i can talk to 176 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:20,440 you about the definition that you're using for this graphic great and i know that there is a like an 177 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:27,160 actual code in the building code that makes a building energy efficient yes and there were lead 178 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:34,200 um projects and now there's they're different so there's by acc yeah yeah and so like what 179 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:40,920 what are we striving for maybe are we striving for that are we striving for more than that 180 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:48,760 what is that what does that look like maybe as a destination and i will say if something isn't 181 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:53,400 specifically called out in the survey it doesn't necessarily mean that it's off the table by any 182 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:59,880 means i think it's really just gauging readiness and then from there we fit that into all of the 183 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:04,920 action items that are on the table well i think this might be specifically called out more because 184 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:11,720 we've had a full meeting about it and we have lots of money that's going into efficiency um so you 185 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:19,160 know that might energy efficiency building so that might of course yeah i just uh totally uh getting 186 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:25,240 where the comments are going i think the graphic is just high level categories but what this may 187 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:32,200 speak to is me for you know i know it's already long but uh you know maybe a little drill down 188 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:38,840 section on whether you're ready and motivated by this kind of energy efficient which energy 189 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:44,520 efficiency insulation windows this kind of thing like all electric you know that i think that's 190 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:49,960 requires like a drill down yeah you know these aren't and none of these are drill downs these are 191 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:58,840 just categories you know right so maybe like if if there's not a question or adding that as a as a 192 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:04,360 as a question or into an existing question or something about is your home would you consider 193 00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:11,080 your home energy efficient or something yes and there there are a couple of energy efficiency 194 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:16,600 related questions all right so i think you're good yeah i was just concerned about any ambiguity 195 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:21,960 oh okay go ahead i am also kind of concerned about the length of this survey because it almost feels 196 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:28,520 like a focus group on your phone that it almost might make it more cluttered to give these really 197 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:35,720 granular definitions over every term that we have in here and so linking out i see beforehand you 198 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:40,600 linked out to like the the un's clinicals those i think would be really helpful if someone did have 199 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:46,440 a specific question but i worry that we're almost preventing more people from completing a full survey 200 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:51,560 by adding additional layers of information but hopefully to your point if there's a lack of 201 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,240 clarity about what does that mean what does that look like for here and especially too because our 202 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,080 state is a little bit different in the limitations we have for some of these categories it might be 203 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:05,080 something better served in those public meetings than within the survey specifically yeah and i 204 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:12,840 really think that the survey is to ask sort of intuitive questions about how folks feel about 205 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:18,280 things not about the individual actions themselves and then we base the actions and present them to 206 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:23,160 the community to your point to be discussed a little bit further in those public meeting settings 207 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:29,640 so and meeting in a box is something that gives the opportunity for that deeper dive if there's 208 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:36,360 a misunderstanding or a verification needed okay that's good so are you would you like to see this 209 00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:44,440 shorter as much as this could be cleaned i think that helps people especially to if this is something 210 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:50,040 that they're taking we posted on our facebook pages and things like that and there's no there's no one 211 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:55,480 their staff or the consultant or otherwise to help walk through some of these i think the cleaner the 212 00:23:55,480 --> 00:24:01,640 better and we can get down into the weeds and things in those platforms where there is a lot 213 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:06,280 more direct engagement with residents and we can really offer that clarity that they're looking for 214 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:11,560 or provide you know links within the text that can take them if they have different questions about 215 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:17,000 it i just feel like it's already quite a bulky 20 30 minutes is what i was reading on the anticipated 216 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:22,520 time to take it that's a it's a huge chunk of time i'll say we shared that concern striking the right 217 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:27,880 balance between are you informed enough that you feel comfortable answering the questions but like 218 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:33,000 you're saying not overburdening you and you know hoping that you know you still take the survey of 219 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:39,880 course which is the ultimate goal and so i will say that in the survey monkey version we've also 220 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:45,560 broken things out into cleaner paragraphs and things like that so it's it is less sort of 221 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:56,840 all coming at you at once and then similar questions here to waste and to buildings 222 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:07,640 those and then some small ones here related to land use and also a little bit related to 223 00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:17,720 transportation there and then jt yes and i hope i'm on topic here there's some wording in and i 224 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,840 started this at the public presentation as well that carol gave this term that we're using in 225 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:28,120 question 21 i'm curious if we can workshop that a little bit or think about it i've noticed 226 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:34,360 this particularly online there's some pushback to that wording specifically with some case studies 227 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:39,400 in canada in the uk where they're of course we're not experiencing these problems on our own 228 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:45,240 and cities who have adopted models like that are getting a lot of public pushback just off of the 229 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:50,200 wording and i wonder if we can communicate the concept here and what it's intended to do not 230 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:59,320 necessarily keeping with that exact phrase what what didn't they like and what did it about i can 231 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:05,160 share some with katherine to distribute to the the group there's a couple news articles that 232 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:11,960 toss around some resistance to that term that it feels really restrictive that it's just a lack 233 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,120 it's an informational asymmetry between residents in those communities that are pushing for these 234 00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:21,240 types of goals that don't necessarily understand what that does look like and apply in their local 235 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:27,160 context and so i think we can maybe dodge a bullet there just by changing the way that we're phrasing 236 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:32,760 this it was kind of astounding and prolific pushback just on the phrase there i will say 237 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,320 that we did add even just in the last few days this was one of the ones that we did add it to 238 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,560 include a little bit more information about what it is built into the question but even 239 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,640 even still i think we'll take another look at that so i appreciate it because in our 240 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,960 in all of our planning documents we talk about like mixed use 241 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:56,680 isn't that what this means essentially that would be more consistent i didn't know 242 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,920 let's think things it's mixed use so that everything you need is close 243 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:14,120 are we suggesting definitions to be put in here instead on number 21 our words other i think we 244 00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:18,120 just need to see if they're they're 15 minute they were going to equates to what we talk about 245 00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:24,360 with mixed use difference with our codes with our codes okay just to make sure it's consistent 246 00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:27,640 okay thanks make sure we're not bringing the canadian term in here 247 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:37,240 and then of course finishing up here with the demographic information which is optional for 248 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:44,360 folks but that will help us make sure that we are equitably sampling the community with that i will 249 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:51,800 open it up a little bit are there any major sectors we feel are missing or need supplemented 250 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:58,280 huh well my question really is just more what what would be what will the output look like 251 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:06,440 i don't mean what will the actual answers be but you know what's what's uh yeah what's the template 252 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:14,920 what would what kind of uh what kind of metrics will come out of it sure um so ssg is going to 253 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,800 build these results into their modeling of action items and weigh them accordingly based on the 254 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,280 hurdles that they find and the readiness two different categories and two different items 255 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:31,240 so it's kind of rank order in terms of readiness it will it will feed into it it will not necessarily 256 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:39,560 be the only thing that is ranked in that uh in that calibration but it will feed into 257 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:46,280 that that final ranking of action i think to suggest uh i don't know if this term is still 258 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:55,240 in use but they might get it from this description a turf analysis which stands for total unduplicated 259 00:28:55,240 --> 00:29:01,080 reach and frequency the idea is you don't want to know that just the same 10 people will do 260 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:08,680 everything you want to know what subset of all the options ultimately motivates the greatest 261 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:14,360 proportion of the sample so and just from that description i would be able to you know figure 262 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:27,560 out math to get that but that's the idea anybody else questions comments it's in the same spirit 263 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:34,440 uh i think i'm wondering because you said these results will be used with other things 264 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:39,960 i guess i thought uh i guess i'm wondering what what the other things are because my 265 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:48,200 impression is that uh in modeling this and thinking about it we're identifying what's 266 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:57,160 the most bang for the buck as it were to achieve our goals with this plan there's that and that 267 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:06,040 seemed more like what studied experts and you feel would come up with and then you want to serve it 268 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:11,960 the citizens for readiness for this so are we going to try to balance those things that basically 269 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,720 short answer yes okay all right 270 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:23,560 yeah so i yeah yeah on that so what happens if the survey and the the citizens it doesn't show 271 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:29,400 what the the action plan actually is proposing so i mean there's that 272 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:38,680 it could have been balance conflict potentially is that why you're i mean i'm wondering yeah right 273 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:44,760 yeah that's the balance it's a it's a community project we're doing so yeah yes i suppose if i 274 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:51,400 mean go ahead uh you know just to pre-reel a bit you know that you hope there's an event diagram 275 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:59,240 where you get or maybe it's a two by two matrix how hard things are to do you know how powerful 276 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,840 things are to do and how much impact they have and you hope there's something in the quadrant 277 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,640 that's sort of easy to do and has a lot of impact i don't know if there is anything like that right 278 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,320 it may turn out to be that people want to do all the things that are easy and they have no impact 279 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:18,120 that you know i mean i think that's what we got to find out yeah okay sorry to clarify they we're 280 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:23,560 going to be presenting this as an option to take after a lot of these public engagement meetings 281 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:28,920 right so there's an educational opportunity beforehand where there could be a little bit more 282 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:36,680 learned knowledge walking into it or yes and no okay yeah i think that i think that's our hope 283 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:43,160 and you know so we have our email list that we've been sort of cultivating over the last 284 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:48,200 couple months many of those folks have already attended at least one of our town calls and so 285 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,680 you know we feel pretty comfortable we're going to be sending out the survey option as well as the 286 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:57,000 meeting in the box option and then if they you know if they want to host a meeting bring in some 287 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:02,600 friends some organizational members things like that then we'll also have the survey available to 288 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:08,360 them directly after that you know they've learned something they feel a little bit more engaged 289 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:13,960 they're probably more likely to to take the survey rather than just coming at it kind of cold i 290 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:19,320 remember from carol's presentation last time that was a concern i vocalized then as well that there 291 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:26,280 this is a really technical field in changing the whole constructive economy and our built environment 292 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:31,800 that it is going to be a learned gap between maybe what the palatability or receptiveness for 293 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:37,720 our residents could be versus what we know and understand from best practices and industry 294 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:43,720 standards and the literature that these are our highest impact actions that we can tackle and if 295 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,560 that comes back as something that we're not ready for i almost wonder if you know i know this 296 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:52,680 community this community engagement process is probably going to be the most key point out of all 297 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:58,040 of this is how much have we actually done to communicate like the pressing need but also what 298 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:03,240 we do have a toolbox you know we're not just working blind here but i would hope that we really 299 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:12,760 do emphasize the education component and hopefully that feedback goes into the survey where we do have 300 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,880 an informed audience not just walking into it without any background on the issue 301 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:25,480 and to that i will also say that each one of us as individuals in this committee should be 302 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:33,880 available if anyone reaches out with questions to help go ahead yeah you know forgive me if this is 303 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:39,240 sort of in there and in my scan of it i didn't quite pick it up you know as people are evaluating 304 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:47,240 the different concepts you're mostly aware of the cost in terms of like does this seem like 305 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,480 you know something you could do or something would be difficult to do and you talk about readiness 306 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:58,280 or obstacles uh in the in the kind of preparatory bits before each section it gives you a general 307 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:04,120 idea like these would be good to do but i wonder i wonder if there's something that 308 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:11,000 the survey takers would understand that would be a shorthand for how much impact this would have 309 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:16,840 you know what's the like i'm going to make something up just to illustrate my point let's 310 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:25,080 say we had assigned to each one what percent of the goal it would it would achieve if the goal is 311 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:32,760 one big thing that's 100% and okay you're doing this tactic is worth 10% of the goal and now we 312 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,840 talk about good isn't bad because otherwise i'm only going to respond to do i have obstacles on 313 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,960 my ready book but maybe i would be ready to do more if i knew it had a greater impact you know 314 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:48,360 i mean and that in a way shouldn't we be kind of leading a little that way too like to you know 315 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:56,040 be saying you want to do this because this this has a lot of impact now let's talk about could you 316 00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:04,840 you do it might make any sense am i just going on no no i understand what you're saying um i'm 317 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,560 trying to think about the survey design and where we might be able to plug that in without making 318 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:14,120 it longer yeah not a long description that's what i'm saying yeah deal my in my fantasy it's like 319 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:21,880 just a number that's there okay this one that's worth 15 golden tickets i know the golden ticket 320 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:28,280 or the how many stars is this yeah can i jump in because it isn't i'm sorry like is it in there 321 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:34,440 it's a need well it kind of says the transportation sector constitutes 53 percent of total emissions 322 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:40,600 yes that's all right but it doesn't really pop out in and i'm caught that in the presentation too 323 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:46,680 that i feel like that's the gorilla in the room or something you know this is this is really big and 324 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,320 it sort of says it there but doesn't yeah it's only a little it's an upper and a little sense 325 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:59,080 i'm not a survey designer so i don't know if there's any is there a way to those percentages 326 00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:04,840 in the survey instead of just a bunch of words like make it more and then impact so that it's 327 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,600 more noticeable at the beginning of each section maybe i think you're after something with the 328 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:15,160 gold stars personally yeah it may be something as as simple as you know a mile relates to this 329 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:20,440 a kilowatt hour relates to this you know um so i think that something like that could be 330 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:25,880 included with the background section and i think at the section when you get to the section about 331 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,760 transportation you have something there as a reminder of what you read before or yeah just 332 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:40,120 something that favorites the impact percentages well i i was looking through the meeting in a box 333 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:46,360 slideshow but i don't see it because i'm skimming but i thought we had a emissions by sector 334 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:56,040 graph that if you just saw that and you pretty clearly see this is the biggest bar so that yeah 335 00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,760 and less plus words and more pictures or i have a section for things that are just virtues 336 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:07,000 where where are you ecology scarf or something 337 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:21,560 okay and yeah i are are the normal what when when the city any any particular department announces 338 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:29,800 an initiative such as this or rate change or your ideas on this or that is there anything leading up 339 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:37,640 to the survey instead rather than boom here's the survey but there has been no 340 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:47,080 preconditioning of our audience to expect it and to be curious about it does this make any sense 341 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:56,680 the idea of that's yeah i can intervene usually on those type of things there's council work 342 00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:02,440 sessions that you know come up and there's presentations and then the council says hey 343 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:07,880 let's put out a survey or there's recommendations you know there's there's that type of process so 344 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:15,720 i would say that our meetings act as as that precursor to the survey so if there's somebody 345 00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:22,440 that's not familiar with our meetings maybe they can come back and watch them yeah i this sort of 346 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:29,240 goes into the same category as the survey being too long just in terms of people's attention spans 347 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:40,120 people's time i'm just trying to think of of of ways that this can really be talked up 348 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:45,240 in a positive way about how important it is 349 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:58,680 airspots i don't know the public access tv city tv station i mean this needs to be blitzed because 350 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,000 if if the response is anything like voter turnout we're in big trouble 351 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:13,080 you know and we need to we need to do something to stress that this is really important this is 352 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:18,280 about our future not in a negative way no no scare tactics or anything because it's not about that 353 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:27,000 but just positive positive input is how this is so important for this and this this reason just basic 354 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:34,120 ideas so we have water in 25 years so we have we don't we have 355 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:43,080 consistent electricity anything i mean anything so what is our current population 356 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:51,160 something like 135 000 that's how bright it was 150 000 i think it's 147 i mean it's the last one 357 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:56,760 i saw so i would think i mean if our goal is a thousand i would i would hope that it would be 358 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:02,120 more than that with our population the way that it is i would hope too but that still in a lot of 359 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:07,560 ways still acts like it's a little town it's kind of not how i mean this is a snarky way to put it 360 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,080 but it's not really a statistics work right once you get to a big enough sample of your 361 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:16,760 presidential polling where you're judging you know 100 million people or whatever you know they do it 362 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:22,280 off of a few thousand just because after a while the shape of the curve forms and you can get a 363 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:27,960 bigger pile than the curve stays the same shape more or less so you know that's a good that's a 364 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:33,480 good sample you've got a thousand i mean i i know you know it feels better obviously if you have 365 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:41,320 half the population but right no no statistical sampling but the 300 that they're saying is is 366 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:46,760 too low it's probably well i don't know if it's a math question honestly i mean you you're your 367 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:53,400 confidence intervals on your on your answers like if it's a percentage on 348 i'm gonna i'm gonna 368 00:40:53,400 --> 00:41:00,360 wager uh you're somewhere in the plus or minus two points with 90 confidence like if it says 369 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:07,880 you know 25 of the people feel this way if you do it off at 348 you're probably the right the 370 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:16,680 true answer is probably somewhere in like 23 to 27 you know that's not i can i'm not against bigger 371 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:21,640 samples but i'm just but i don't want to i wouldn't want anyone to have the impression that statistical 372 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:31,560 sampling is like doesn't work right so we'll have the webinar the initial webinar is online it lives 373 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:40,120 online so folks who watch that before they take the survey it's a good primer to get on dtv and 374 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:45,000 have a spot made for dtv that would probably take four or six weeks and that would be past the end 375 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:50,200 of the survey time that we have allotted for the study so we would have to push out the deliverable 376 00:41:50,200 --> 00:42:00,200 date to do that we've had the two s five meetings we've had the town hall in the webinar we've been 377 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:07,480 sharing information about it and building the survey list or this email list so the one piece 378 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,800 i haven't done yet which i'm meeting with dinner for chronicle next week about doing the banner ads 379 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:18,680 on the drc online and the digital paper where we could get clicks that come to it 380 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:23,320 that's the one piece that we haven't built in yet but 381 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:30,360 probably we'll be able to get that up within a few weeks at the outside i think we'd get it up 382 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:37,320 sooner and i know there's good part available and perhaps even another article in the paper about 383 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,200 the plan in the survey 384 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:49,640 okay i think that would generate some more interest and i'll say as we shift to the meeting in a box 385 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:55,960 as well that we will definitely be almost reaching out more with this item i think than the survey 386 00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:01,400 because they kind of go hand in hand and as as we already said this is a bit of a primer for that 387 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:06,840 and so i think this is something that we will be you know reaching out to folks quite a bit about 388 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:15,320 so we'll run through this quickly and the idea again is that a post so we will have a registration 389 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:21,880 form on our website for folks to sign up they can choose if they like to lead their own meeting 390 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,240 if they feel that they would like some staff assistance with that whether that be a quick 391 00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:31,560 phone call for us to clarify some things in the intro or if it's us taking some time to go and 392 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:37,400 lead their meeting as well we're willing to do that and so we'll have that registration form 393 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:43,480 on there where they can pick a date and decide sort of what style they would like as catherine 394 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:48,840 said it'll be a kind of compact uh kit that they will get and it will include this presentation 395 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:55,880 the first part is instructions for them the goal here is to limit as many decisions as possible 396 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,720 and so you know there's a little bit of an icebreaker built in there if the folks don't 397 00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:04,440 already know each other basically things that it's outlined for the host that you know you 398 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:09,400 don't have to make these decisions it's kind of start to finish what you can expect to do 399 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:20,520 um again it's it's during the meeting and so for the reason that um the idea is that community 400 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:27,640 this will be a community member led meeting it is not as heavy on the technical pieces 401 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,720 of these items there is a small amount of background but we don't want to put that 402 00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:36,440 burden on community members to sort of educate themselves to the level where we are expecting 403 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:43,240 please explain you know the entire plan uh to folks so this is really um you know raising 404 00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:52,120 awareness and gathering some high level ideas uh regarding the different action items uh so 405 00:44:52,120 --> 00:45:01,000 very similar to the survey um it goes through the different topic areas um now we have narrowed this 406 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:09,720 down a bit um so we are very welcome to any notes or any um items that come out of the meeting we 407 00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:15,240 definitely want to be able to capture that as kathryn said there is going to be a very very 408 00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:21,080 short five question survey for individuals who participated in the meeting they will let us know 409 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:25,960 what meeting they participated in and answer five very short questions about how one how they felt 410 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:32,360 that the meeting went and also what their thoughts are on each of the different sectors one question 411 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:38,920 each to capture that and then we will also have an online form for the host to go and add their 412 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:44,680 open-ended notes from the meeting so general trends that they saw things like that and so we 413 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:49,960 will be capturing all of that information as well this is just a little bit of a sample of different 414 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:55,640 ways that the host or if they have a note taker even better can kind of gauge where folks are at 415 00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:00,200 that attend their meeting yes so this is actually a physical meeting it's not a 416 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:06,120 remote it's people in somebody's living room uh essentially yes we're really hoping for 417 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:11,480 organizations that have sort of a public meeting space but we do also have an online option as well 418 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:16,760 so if folks want us to host an online meeting uh we we are willing to do that as well has this been 419 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:24,120 has this format been used before with issues or whatever kathryn you want to talk a little bit 420 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:31,800 about the dallas can you make the screen jt can you make the screen day for the folks at home on 421 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,880 um a little early maybe 422 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,800 okay 423 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:48,440 and we know that dallas worked with the meeting in the box concept 424 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,600 they did several hundred meetings whenever they were doing their climate action plan 425 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,960 do you remember the number i don't remember the exact number i think i can refresh that 426 00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:03,160 and some jala a little right i thought they did bump up um i know that they they didn't have a lot 427 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:08,440 of takers at the beginning and then they started having a little bit of momentum and so they 428 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:17,240 extended it and um but it could be you know eight to ten people or less just small so this hasn't 429 00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:24,280 been done in denton before this this format this is new 430 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:36,680 so when is this going to be the information about the this going to be disseminated to the public 431 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:45,480 brain has a question did you guys speak with the dallas office about how they got 432 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:51,560 this project framed up i've talked to sue about it in the past i'm just curious like what you said 433 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:56,040 there was like a kind of like a switch and then all of a sudden they got more uptake in people 434 00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,760 hosting these meetings since we are there's a lot of information burden on the people doing that i 435 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:05,640 just wonder if they had maybe like a lessons learned that could help us get the ball rolling 436 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:12,200 on organizations to take it up well i'm going in the way back files here but i think they did a lot 437 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:20,840 of stuff left i don't know that there were as many community community left so do we actually 438 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:29,320 have a list of of organizations that can or will be contacted yes great is it at some point can we 439 00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:36,920 get that list it's going to be coupled together from all of our um outreach lists but we could 440 00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:42,760 probably share because we might see some things where we could add something to it anyway and i 441 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:51,160 can tell you generally it's um asia ways management companies our university contacts 442 00:48:51,160 --> 00:49:00,120 local service organizations um just kind of any group that you can think of it might have a 443 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:05,560 nice contact list the chamber will be reached out to the chamber oh good um i think some of 444 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,480 the faith-based organizations are on the list that we have i was going to say if there's any 445 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:15,880 churches that would be good we have contacts um at several of the churches where we've worked with 446 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:24,920 them on recycling programs we're pulling from all of our lists so any suggestions open to suggestions 447 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:31,480 yeah you might you might have said it i'm just uh uh asking after hoa's neighborhood association 448 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:38,600 is that in your list too like this you know yeah let's say the obvious one we have um we have lists 449 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:43,240 pretty comprehensive list with recycling that we reach out to all the great all the groups that we 450 00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:50,200 can adam ahead well are you going to keep going through the slides uh yeah we'll talk about a 451 00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:55,400 little bit about the presentation itself yes and that's where my question is okay i'm not ahead of 452 00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:03,080 the game um yeah so from there on forward um all of the slides will be available to uh the presenter 453 00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:09,080 to go through and so that it is um you know consistent in that way throughout all of the 454 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:14,360 different meetings with the background information that's provided again sort of why why are we here 455 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:20,120 what are the goals of the city and how does that fit into the larger picture of what the climate 456 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:28,040 action plan is trying to achieve um very generic here on some of these questions um in terms of 457 00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:33,400 just you know getting the conversation started and what the the meeting hopes to address um of 458 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,960 course the goal with the meeting in a box smaller groups a little bit more honest and relaxed 459 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:43,000 conversations there for folks and so that's really what we're hoping to get we'll be interested to 460 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,840 see um you know how those results track with the survey and things of that nature 461 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:55,720 uh as we said a little bit of background on uh the energy and emissions um again not as intense as 462 00:50:55,720 --> 00:51:01,320 you'll see in the um in the town halls or in the recordings that are currently on the website 463 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:09,400 um for the um for any staff-led ones that we have you know internal staff will be prepped to answer 464 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:13,480 those questions but we want to make sure that the burden is not on community members to be 465 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:17,720 bombarded with questions that they may not be able to answer is this where your question 466 00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:29,320 yeah I have a issue with at least the perceived inflation of energy and emissions in this 467 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:38,760 report our goal is not net zero energy so I don't know why we have a graph right away talking about 468 00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:46,680 gigajoules when that's not the problem at least not the way we framed it the next graph has co2 469 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:53,240 equivalent emissions but that's by fuel so right away I feel like this is confusing for people 470 00:51:53,240 --> 00:52:00,600 like are we trying to get net zero energy are we worth no it's emissions so I feel like we need some 471 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:09,560 refining on how we frame this problem and the goals with especially these graphs and I'm sorry 472 00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:16,040 because I wasn't paying attention I didn't know industrial wasn't modeled in our or captured in 473 00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:22,760 our inventory because here it has industrial if you go back to the next one is a pretty big chunk 474 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:27,560 of energy though so but what I don't know is is that all electricity and if it's all green 475 00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,960 electricity then that's fine that's consistent with our goals so you can see how people would be like 476 00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,880 well my gosh industrial is going to be a big problem and we don't even capture that in our 477 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,160 inventory but then we're have to say well no it's okay because it's all going to be green 478 00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:46,360 or is it are they going to be using coal or who god knows what you know so do you see them saying 479 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:55,320 this point well taken I think switching this out to more of the emissions in general that you're 480 00:52:55,320 --> 00:53:01,800 saying and I think I think that is well taken I think the by fuel gets a little bit a little 481 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:10,280 bit too deep on it for the the style of meaning that this is yeah it emissions by sector right 482 00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:20,920 right yeah yes our if it's in there pardon me but is there a definition of co2e yes so there's a 483 00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:28,840 glossary at the end of this so the gigajoules are in there too yes yeah well I mean I think this is 484 00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:37,800 way over a lot of people's head and that they would be put off by this sort of thing if we say 485 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:44,120 it needs to be simple into the point I don't see this needs to be simplified because it's big it's 486 00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,400 I could see how people would throw their hands up 487 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:53,640 quite well taken I think that we can definitely make that happen 488 00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:02,520 I think maybe even this is you know a little bit more towards the simplification of what what do 489 00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:09,560 things look like right yeah and so and again this one as well sort of you know what what form are 490 00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:14,840 all action items going to take you know they're going to fall into one of these categories and 491 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:20,760 then really the presentation the main the bulk of it is you know what are the main areas that we have 492 00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:27,640 work to do and you know let's have some conversations about what is most appealing and what the largest 493 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:35,640 hurdles are in each of these sections and so each one has some topic questions and and really I 494 00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,560 think the big ones right are the same thing that we're trying to gather from the survey in terms 495 00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:45,000 of what are the hurdles you know what would convince you to do something what what's in your way and I 496 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:53,560 think you know that is the the props of what we're hoping to get from the meetings just one other 497 00:54:53,560 --> 00:55:03,080 thing in the campaigns past environmental campaigns that I've been involved in it's a matter of getting 498 00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:09,720 a message out of what we need to do and why we need to do it and I think that anything that can be 499 00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:22,760 that basic will go a lot further than than all the little figures and all that stuff here's why we 500 00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:31,400 want to put this plan together boom here's what we can do boom if you want more information boom 501 00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:40,440 go here at least something that the person's going to go oh wow that grabs somebody the city 502 00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:47,320 needs to do this we need to do this and here's why you know it's just basic advertising go ahead 503 00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:54,440 I simply just want to want to chime in and confirm the concept that he's presenting I'm a pastor I 504 00:55:54,440 --> 00:56:01,640 generally had 30 to 40 minutes to have the impact the glossary alone is three pages long it would 505 00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:06,200 take me 30 minutes to help people understand now I'm grabbing the average community in which I live 506 00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:13,560 in this really needs to be brought down to a level and a language that the average layperson 507 00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:19,400 can understand I would lose people in the first two or three minutes even trying to invite people 508 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:25,880 to this type of this is really high level my I'm a mastered degree individual this is high level 509 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:31,080 information to try and present to the average individual I think that's well taken and I think 510 00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:36,360 even for the staff led ones of course just because we could does mean that we should for those so 511 00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:41,720 well taken go ahead too I think this is into it's kind of completely compare with you I think this 512 00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:47,720 format of public engagement is one of the best tools that we do have to emphasize those major 513 00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:53,000 points that we're talking about to overcome the information separation that we have with 514 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,840 we're all sitting here we receive this every single meeting all of us are steeped 515 00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:02,440 we represent our community because this is the issues that we care about my neighbor next door 516 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:06,360 my roommates don't have the same level of information that I think really just driving 517 00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:12,200 those main points home this type of format would serve it really well because you do get to have 518 00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:17,240 those really personal conversations here's what we're proposing here we know are the big impacts 519 00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:21,960 and then I know this is partly to gauge the receptiveness as well as the same similar questions 520 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:27,240 as gets into the survey but to Ed's point and to to window's point I think this is 521 00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:32,760 needs to be simplified and really just be a communication tool for what really matters 522 00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:42,600 I think we need to be very careful because this is the community engagement part of it and I don't 523 00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:48,520 want to drive them to such a narrow focus by telling them what we need them to do we need them 524 00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:54,680 to tell us a good deal of that rather than it being and if we weren't going to do community 525 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:59,880 engagement we could just create a plan so it's there needs to be a balance there I understand 526 00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:03,960 it's pretty high level we can work on the language we can work on 527 00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:13,000 some more examples yet not to get too long it's going to be a balance and it may be better that 528 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:21,480 it be staff-led instead of citizen-led it may all be staff-led I think then and I totally go 529 00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:27,000 what you're saying because I know we're really trying to avoid being prescriptive that I wonder 530 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:33,400 then if the purpose of this meeting is for the meeting in a box is to get that feedback or is 531 00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:39,160 that what we're trying to achieve with the survey do we need these dual forms of tools or can we do 532 00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:44,600 something more educational in this type of format and then get the receptiveness or the feedback in 533 00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:50,280 the survey form I'm just wondering if we need what feels like overlapping goals with two different 534 00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:57,320 tools that are trying to achieve it feels a little vague to me I just wonder to the simplification 535 00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:02,520 message if this can be more of an educational component similar to the town halls about 536 00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:07,240 what are these processes what do these look like and then use a separate tool for that feedback 537 00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:20,120 I think I've struggled I want to get them before they answer you okay um I've struggled with that 538 00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,000 I really didn't want these to come out at the same time 539 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:28,600 ideally there would have been the meeting in a box and then the survey later 540 00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:41,240 ideally I do think that the folks who are engaged and who are passionate about the topic are going 541 00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:46,520 to be the ones who jump in and take the survey right away I think that there is a huge segment 542 00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:52,440 of folks hopefully a huge segment a segment that want to know more and we'll do the meeting in a 543 00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:57,560 box and we'll get the engagement back from them and we may only get the brief where am I ready to 544 00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:02,280 change in what we talked about in this meeting they might not ever go through the long survey 545 01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:06,520 but we're going to still capture some of what they did and what they felt walking out of that 546 01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:14,520 meeting ideally they'd be engaged enough to go take the survey initially it was just going to be 547 01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:20,520 meeting in a box one person jot down what everybody thought and I'm like what if everybody 548 01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:27,080 didn't think that so that's where we went back with probably five questions I think that everybody 549 01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:32,520 every meeting of attendee can fill out one of those and we can tell what meeting they were at 550 01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:36,200 and then we can also go back and look at what the meeting notes said if there were meeting notes 551 01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:42,520 so we didn't want to miss the opportunity to capture what everyone was feeling walking out of that 552 01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:51,160 yeah we need to find a balance I understand what you're saying it's not an easy topic 553 01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,960 a component considered I don't see a train the trainer 554 01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:05,640 component in here and I think that would be very very valuable to help promote it I'm thinking 555 01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:10,600 block the block almost you know I'm thinking about the community of again which I live in 556 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:18,280 I would love to present something among these lines two out of me prepared for two hour up to 557 01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:24,920 two hour meetings that's just not going to happen of course any community of which I have been in 558 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:30,280 business meetings you name it we're not trying to be too out so a train the trainer component would 559 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:35,240 I think would be very helpful for those who do have interest as you have just stated there are 560 01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:41,320 folks that that would eat this stuff right we need to identify those and then we can help you or 561 01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:47,400 utilize them to help get this message into the neighborhoods that's where it needs to be and 562 01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:51,720 that would be a great way to filter down what's really needed if we didn't train the trainer 563 01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:55,560 session and go through these initial slides so this is what we're trying to communicate how 564 01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:59,640 best is that going to work for you there you go there you go and then I can see it simplified 565 01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:06,760 simply or maybe even more simplistic and that allowed the trainer I'm taking that hat if you 566 01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:13,960 move it I'm giving it to you yeah allow me to cut the information down to where the trainer can 567 01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:18,120 present here's the state of the union ladies and gentlemen 25 years we may not have clean water to 568 01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:25,720 drink 20 years what are your kids your grandkids going to do I'm going to his session yeah so we 569 01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:30,840 want to make sure that people understand the severity of what it is we are doing this is a 570 01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:36,680 very important matter yes we need your input yes we need your suggestions but yes we need some 571 01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:41,640 commitment to hearing the steps that we need to take so that I can make sure my granddaughter 572 01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:47,800 that clean drinking water in 25 years so if we can approach people you know but in a very simplistic 573 01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:54,840 manner okay I got my preaching hat on and that's that's what we have to do we got a short period 574 01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:59,320 of time to present here's the state of the union this is what happens if we don't make an adjustment 575 01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:04,040 here's the chance here's the opportunities to participate to impact and affect our future 576 01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:08,920 I think these are great comments we can take back to ssg and talk about how we might be able 577 01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:13,640 to break this down a little bit more and then we can sit down and think too about how we want to 578 01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:17,720 present this to the folks who are going to have meetings and just that it's more like climate 579 01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:23,000 oriented I mean like I'm reading these and some of these you know some of the questions are like 580 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:28,360 the surveys that we see on parks and some of them like just the regular do you love living in your 581 01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:35,160 city kind of question like you know that's that's not necessarily that's a good thing to know but 582 01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:40,200 you know how does it relate to the climate action plan when we're trying to pare it down maybe we 583 01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:47,960 just assume they all live in here well yeah I mean it's just kind of something that we're trying to 584 01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:55,800 find you know minutes to take off I'll think I was behind you yeah I was just going to make 585 01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:08,520 this I mean we we all have a lot of work to do because as far as I know 586 01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:14,200 climate change has never been one of the top 10 priorities of the city 587 01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:23,000 and it was not in the last list that came out that the mayor gave out climate change was not in 588 01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:31,400 city's top 10 priorities we need to make it we need to do something to get into the top 10 589 01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:37,080 and if that means I don't know what that means I don't know the 590 01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:43,160 directions that one would take within the city hierarchy to get something like this 591 01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:49,800 to where there's a united front here saying folks we need to protect our community from 592 01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:57,800 from what's going on and if if I just it just burned me every time I would see that that was 593 01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:05,560 never listed by the mayor or the council as council's top 10 priorities not really discussed 594 01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:13,960 at uh retreats mentioned but not really discussed to the extent that it should be so I mean we've 595 01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:20,520 got we've got to offset that and it does roll under sustainability environment which is the 596 01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:31,240 the larger heading in the priorities this is a question I should have asked at the beginning of 597 01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:38,120 the meeting in a box thing like asked for the questionnaire so what is the output what are 598 01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:43,320 the answers that we will get but you know what form does it take what would you expect to report out 599 01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:50,440 uh you know the outcome the output from these meeting boxers and integrated into the now that 600 01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:57,080 it is happening simultaneously is it integrated into one big readout of the community that's real 601 01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:02,680 meeting a box as this services this uh how does that work this one is less influential on the 602 01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:11,640 actions this is more for the educational component and the um its purpose is to educate yes it is to 603 01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:18,440 raise awareness of the climate action plan and what it is and then also gain as Catherine said 604 01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:23,000 not missing the opportunity to gain some feedback but it is not going to be built in the same way 605 01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:30,360 that the survey items are we will take a look at the overall what was the feeling from the meeting 606 01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:36,440 in the box how does that compare to the survey but it may just be they they were similar they 607 01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:46,120 were in agreement i wonder then uh you know if it's primarily cell you know less input uh i wonder 608 01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:50,760 if they should be sequenced but but it's the opposite sequence that i think you were made 609 01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:56,680 originally out of mine you're you're crafting the plan but we are crafting the plan based on 610 01:06:56,680 --> 01:07:02,200 input from the survey where we have all the best ideas we think and we're going to find out what's 611 01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:07,720 doable and what sequence and why that people will find palatable that's going to lead to a dynamite 612 01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:15,000 plan that people will we hope will embrace then you sell that into the community through these 613 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:22,360 meetings that have much more of a pastor steven's uh approach you know that express urgency and call 614 01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:30,040 for participation and you know it's it's uh it's not a survey tool anything i think to your point 615 01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:35,720 for the reason that it does not hinge on the action items being developed we have no intention 616 01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:40,120 of putting a hard stop to the meaning in the box the same way that we did the survey because those 617 01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:44,920 are needed for the model whereas the meeting in the box results are not and so i think the intention 618 01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:49,720 is to continue on with the meeting in the box as long as folks want them throughout the course 619 01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:53,800 wouldn't you put different things in the box if you already had your crafted plan and you knew what 620 01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:59,960 the highest priorities were that you needed this you know the residents to take action on i think 621 01:07:59,960 --> 01:08:03,400 you can shift the action is part of one of the keywords right it's the climate action plan 622 01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:09,880 you want people to take action i think it can shift as the town halls shift there's no town hall 623 01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:14,840 that's going to be the same information twice and so i think as we enter those different sections 624 01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:19,080 of the plan and what we're presenting in the town halls we can shift to the union box as well 625 01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:25,240 something you want to think about though right okay thank you are you good 626 01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:35,800 okay y'all have what you need going forward i think so yeah did you need any more questions 627 01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:48,200 all right thank you so much all right so yeah we will move on to item c staff reports and the 628 01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:53,000 matrix um i don't know that you guys take off in a little bit do you have anything 629 01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,880 with the matrix if you'd like to change your ad 630 01:08:55,880 --> 01:09:05,000 no i don't know i have one does anybody else have anything i might have okay all 631 01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:15,960 go ahead i'm just looking at uh we have a adam brand requested a review of current development 632 01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:24,840 codes parking minimums and on street parking would that include energy efficient building codes 633 01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:33,240 is that is that no that would be under building codes okay then then i would like a report 634 01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:40,680 or a presentation about the city's current green building codes 635 01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:51,400 thank you um my question is i know that the um the speaker came up and mentioned the 636 01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:59,320 denton data center and i actually have requested a presentation from dv on that and it says that 637 01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:09,400 there's going to be a staff report um instead of a meeting or a presentation i if the if they can 638 01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:13,720 put the energy usage in that staff report if they don't want to come and do an actual 639 01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:20,360 presentation which eventually we may ask for um the energy usage of that data center and 640 01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:26,200 and the offsets of that they can make sure and include that in the staff report i don't know 641 01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:33,240 what how detailed or not they're planning on that being but um just to make sure that that's addressed 642 01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:42,440 if possible i don't know that will be possible okay i will 643 01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:51,880 talk to them and i know we it gets into the customer service side of it too 644 01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:59,960 i'm sharing customer information so what just the overall usage of the data center 645 01:10:59,960 --> 01:11:07,160 yeah so there is a bill that passed i think it was in 2021 that limits our ability to give 646 01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:14,120 information about individual customers of our utilities can we abstract that data enough to 647 01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:20,200 where maybe this is just based on industrial type or customer type to where we can get generalized 648 01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:25,960 information over the these types of i think we're going in the direction of high energy users within 649 01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:32,040 the city portfolio is there a way that that could be abstracted to whether or not identifying any 650 01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:38,440 information with a particular customer i i don't know what's possible with that we'll have to 651 01:11:38,440 --> 01:11:45,400 look at it and you may ask them if they'd rather do a presentation to us rather than a staff report 652 01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:52,440 i mean either way we might be better that was the only thing that that i wanted to bring up okay 653 01:11:52,440 --> 01:12:00,200 okay i think we're good we can move on to concluding items anybody have concluding items 654 01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:12,520 no okay then we will end the meeting at 2 12 thank you very much thank you