that's a good thing all right you're ready to get started let's go all right i'm going to call the
regular meeting to order on monday february 13th 2023 at 5 31 p.m and our first order of business
is the pledge of allegiance and it's in the u.s and it looks like a pledge of allegiance to the flag
of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god
indivisible with liberty and justice for all honor the texas flag i pledge allegiance to be
texas one state under god one and indivisible all right
all right um our first item up is we don't have any one for the two speak okay so first is item 2a
hlc 23-01213 to consider approval of the january 23rd 2023 minutes any discussion on that or any
corrections anyone i'm of approval second we have a approval and a second all vote please
with raising your hand and all abstain and all opposed raise your hand okay so passes forward to
and one of one statement and then we'll move to item 3a hlc 23-011 to discuss chapter 2 article
10 and 12 of the code of ordinance pertaining to the historic landmark commission appointee
qualification so i don't have a presentation for this so this was related to kind of the past
discussions that we had towards the end of 2022 um in regards to property uh historic property
ownership and and what qualifies as being part of the hlc and the commission so i was just bringing
back because that was part of the matrix or that had been voted on to be part on the matrix um so
that's staff's bringing that back to kind of have that discussion as to why property owners or
historic property owners was not originally included um so in march 2022 uh if you guys all
read through the ais basically it had been presented to hlc we're talking about it being
the clg requirements in terms of following those certified local government requirements for
membership towards a historic landmark commission so as part of that they mentioned
architecture history architectural history planning prehistoric and historic archaeology
curation etc so there was a bunch of different fields of interest or that people had had degrees
in that could be met or could qualify them to sit on the commission but as part of the clg program
it does state that the requirement can be waived if you're not able to meet that but you feel that
other members need those same qualifications additionally city council did remove the
ownership requirement to be on boards and commissions so that's why owner of real property
has been removed from all boards and commissions um so that's also why that historic property
ownership was removed as well but the clg requirements do not keep anyone who is a
historic property owner from being on the board first of all if 60 which is part of that requirement
for clg um qualifications if 60 percent of the board were to meet those qualifications for clg
then the rest of the board could be whatever city council wanted to fill those positions with i think
that's a real problem i really think that is a correct issue is that you're leaving out people
that have a real vested interest in the areas that are covered the city council i think did a big
mischief doing that that was why we brought it up a year almost a year ago now that if there
is no property owner of a historic property there is you know you can i mean how many people here
are we going to get 60 percent to qualify in architecture history architectural history
money prehistoric i mean just i mean are we going to find people right now in this room that qualify
on any of these i'm just asking because i don't think so for any of them conservation is any is
anybody a conservator i mean uh cameron you'd probably qualify but or curation or cultural
anthropology or folklore prehistoric art i mean are any but is anybody really good under those
qualifications i don't think so so i think that that's an issue i don't know where you're going
to find people to do it as i previously stated 60 percent but then if you don't have to have that
requirement but that's four people or or a little bit over four to five out of seven
okay we have five here i have two history degrees well that's okay that's one good
okay how about you i got half as many as you got one the three degree okay uh i'd like to
see a broader specificity than history i mean okay lawyer types and stuff so cameron when you
say that that's the recommendation from the city when you said that others could still be on it
they're saying that's the recommendation so is that a requirement so others can be still on it
it's just yeah so clg their recommendation is to have at least 60 of your board be meet those
qualifications however if you cannot get 60 of your board to meet those qualifications
then i just explained to thc or city council just saying hey we're not able to meet those
qualifications but we have a lot of other great candidates who are out there who are willing to
serve on the commission so basically it's just to provide guidance because prior to that we had no
guidance and there was no guidance there was guidance that one person had to be like into
finance accounting one person had to be a builder one person had to be a resident i mean there was
right but city council had removed the accountant in finance they didn't feel it was necessary for
hlt to have that yeah exactly but they don't feel it's necessary for people to live there
you know do we just not vote i mean you know i'm saying the voting oh gee you don't need to live
in the city that you shouldn't vote i mean there's an issue about voting and i think that the people
that are majorly impacted by what's going to go on here should have a vote in hlc or at least
representation as i say you can't it doesn't mandate that there is one though there's no guarantee
that there is one person here that will be connected to historic districts i think if that's a case then
that's something that you share with your city council members and state moving forward that you
really do think a historic property owner should be required but as it currently states in terms
of qualifications we cannot add that in terms of ownership of a property my understanding
due to the fact that city council removed that from every single boarding commission
so it was a blanket it was blanket and done it wasn't done yes it wasn't just hlc it was everyone
removed ownership of a real property so any change would take a city council action
as a as a board you're subject to the decisions that the city council makes regarding the makeup
and that's why camera provided the ordinance to see that you can see kind of what i'm not
blaming camera but i'm just saying that this is a a silly rule but for many boards it doesn't
matter but it's kind of like so no it's okay if you're the mayor pro tem or the you know the
mayor you don't have to actually live in city limits of denton i'm just saying it there is no
requirement in here in fact that you should be living in denton well i mean you could bring
somebody in for dallas i mean there is no requirement that the board for hlc is even from here and i
think that's a problem i think is what poorly thought out from that point of view i mean before
along the city council took all the point people would have no bearing at all and make it a full
exception well it does say in the ordinance that they have to be residents of state it's on the
first page of section 2 just 288 um but i i do see where where you're coming from um married i
understand your concern but also you have to look at the perspective of that we had these are from
1981 originally these this ordinance and for a long period of time these actually weren't active
so we were just kind of doing it over the last i think i think it was like 20 years these were
kind of inactive these or these um hlc in terms of qualifications so the best thing since we are
part of a state programming of which we are a certified local government entity that provides
the makeup of a commission and their expectations that seemed to be the most organized and well
thought out because one we're always trying to meet clg requirements i have to do a report
annually as staff to make sure that we can stay within that program so when i talked to other
cities and hpos they said that was kind of their guiding light so that was kind of where we got
this base but then of course when it came to the makeup in terms of seven versus nine when
originally had nine that was just based off past experience of not being able to get reach forum
very often and having um run-ins with attendance so that's kind of where we came up with that seven
four and then obviously the clg requirements were kind of the leader for how we'd make up hlc moving
forward so that city council had an idea because when we specifically said an architect and an
owner of real property and denton county barn association dent county historical commission it
really limited people in terms of what you had to get to be on commission these are all or or or
statements now in the ordinance so it allows for a broader category of people to be reached for city
council so i mean is there a line of people waiting to jump on the board i mean i don't know why we
talk about the possibility of making it more owners i think it's probably uh not an issue as is
at least one i would love to see at least one person that lives in this historic district just
so they know some of the issues that are faced uh because if you don't if you haven't lived them
a while you may not appreciate the uh the battle zones and how much how much the property owns you
instead of you owning the property and i definitely agree and i think that's where you all come in as
the commission especially if you're leaving your position saying hey you really should put in an
application for this position you're a historic property owner we seem to have this this this
covered on the board right now but we don't have a historic property owner i was the last one to be
you know on the commission in that kind of role i really think you should run so that's kind of
where you all come in as because i'm not going out there getting people city council members
some of them will but not always they're waiting for people to turn in applications so that's kind
of where that education outreach that we talked about in the past is really important is that you
know you all getting out there so that people can see your faces and have that interaction but also
to say well it's really important that you take part in this and you play a role on this commission
and if you have interest in to you know if you're a historic property owner or you're a professor
at unt or whatever it may be um you know i think these requirements that were put forward in march
2022 and were passed by city council actually a lot allow us more leeway than our old ordinance
so are we may as are we kind of moving toward making some discussing a possible recommendation
makes it more communicate with them somewhere we just discussed it was just more of a discussion
because there had been a concern that i had heard just through discussion in the past um about the
historic property owners not being part of that ordinance and that had been something that we'd
actually added to our matrix in november on november 14 2022 hlc meeting so i was bringing that back
just kind of for discussion so that um you know i guess we can kind of get all on the same page i
don't know if that's but just so that we kind of have a better understanding of what the ordinance
allows us to do and that it really doesn't keep people who are historic property owners from
participating it just gives us a base and if we can't meet that base it's not saying you can't
have a commission if you don't need that it's just i just need to write a letter to you today saying
hey we've really been struggling to meet this but we still have great commissioners and this this this
and this is what they can bring and it's usually not an issue okay any other questions so as we
are now we have two you and me okay i think there's value and just just because it's a different
perspective i think sure you can actually share about maybe we're talking to people that come in
here with uh different things to ask them you may want to say on this yeah good idea all right we're
ready to move on i don't need all right we're going to hlc 23-012 receiver report hold the
discussion and give staff direction regarding prioritization prioritizing the historic land
smart commissions work plan actually for 2023 okay so i wanted to just give you all a brief overview
of our 2022 which was awesome um and then kind of go on to the goals for hlc moving into 2023
so a 2022 overview certificates of appropriateness we received a 16 in total uh you all reviewed and
took action on 10 of those um myself as hpo i reviewed and took action on six of those those
were mostly paint um and some lighting i think it was paint lighting and i think someone wanted
to replace like two boards and i said okay so it was very very minimal um you all reviewed and took
action on three historic tax assumptions we only received three all year um and then in terms of
special topic items covered we looked at 14 so this was kind of just us having these kind of open
discussions topics of interest so a couple of the topics we covered were done in 2040 comprehensive
plan code enforcement our 2019 historic preservation plan public outreach and education
and so we covered a lot of topics this past year so moving on to 2023 as part of the preservation
plan it really talks about the commission having an annual list of goals basically for each year
um so based off our discussions based off what we already kind of have in place in terms of you know
the ad hoc commissions um in terms of discussions with property owners that i've had when i've been
reviewing coas or historic landmark tax exemptions all that kind of come um came together and going
through the historic preservation plan these are the different goals policy and recommendations
that i ended up coming up with um that i wanted to present to you all today these are not in any
particular order um i actually that is what i'm hoping you all can have during your discussion
today is to prioritize these in the order that you see fit um so i'll just go through them real
quick goal one is prepare an annual study list of potential landmarks and districts where you all
are starting that that was implemented in november of 2022 starting to talk about designations of
interest and kind of creating that living list um so added that to the year uh brought on the tax
exemption eligibility criteria for improvements to historic buildings that's something we've also
been talking about is looking at ways to improve our tax exemptions everyone that we've heard from
the public here um doesn't feel like they're really that strong especially for uh residential
property owners so that um was one of the goals i brought on uh form an ad hoc historic landmark
commission subcommittees to manage and implement various tasks related to survey and education
efforts currently right now we have the definitions ad hoc committee and we also have the historic
marker committee um but basically getting those kind of moving they're established and there's
goals in place but kind of trying to figure out the trajectory for the next year and just see where
those lead um goal number three also complete designation reports for landmarks and districts
that kind of connects to goal one so kind of getting that living list going um and see if
there's maybe potentially you know towards as we're coming towards the end of 23 say oh my gosh you
know i talked to this property owner they seem really interested maybe a goal of one or two this
year who knows maybe just one but i added that goal on here as well um and then also goal number
three update the debt and historic preservation ordinance promote clarity and certificates
appropriateness procedures and historic landmarks commission responsibilities among other ordinance
enhancements so this is also something that we've been talking about um obviously this really lays
a lot with the definitions ad hoc committee but it also is shared with the wider commission um
you know that that committee will be bringing recommendations forward and then conversations
and decisions have to be made as a whole um so that is why i added here as well so now it's
basically just discussion um and obviously we can continue this into next meeting but i
did want to bring this forward so that we can kind of get a work plan in place for this upcoming year
all right anyone have a question i think i'll let go to myself i think it's a way of incentivizing
people to maintain the historic home i kind of like the goal too on the broaden the exemption
eligibility criteria for improvements to historic buildings because otherwise people may see it as a
burden to maintain an old house it's easier just not to do it so they can have some some kind of
carrot instead of sticks so the idea of maybe putting that first because we're going to try
and prioritize them so we're going to probably we want to label them one two three four five
i would go for that as one but i you know that's something that does also have to go for city
council for any changes because that's that's where i would look right uh yes correct
i think it's the only way to get people i mean right now we can do a commercial property because
of the tax incentives and that's helped a lot and then designated properties specifically but only
designated not historic district assembly even right so i mean if there's something for
older units help renovate help just maintain them in some way shape or form i think would
be a really great bonus because i think didn't you did you do the calculation who's doing the
calculation it was you on how how you know my husband was like man it's kind of a toss-up
whether it's worth the effort to do because it's so such a small amount on the tax bill in the end
it's all relative but you know if it's only ten dollars i mean or you know i think it was
thirty dollars based on how much time the property is it's huge yeah it was a lot it's huge for
commercial but it's not for for private and so i think we need to improve that for private owners
because there's a lot more private owners i mean so there were three this past year that went for
exemption i have to do it uh every 10 years how many total have requested or that currently have
it do we do we have a total um i would have to pull up my excel sheet so i can try i don't have
sorry but yeah i could definitely bring that back to you all next i didn't know if it was like a
dozen or so it's not well we have 65 designated landmark buildings right now we have one that is
a historically significant site so it's not designated at the local level but it's historically
significant so remember we have those two tax exemptions that's the fair haven retirement
right right so that has one right now the rest that are designated historic landmarks i think
we have i would say out of the 65 we probably have at most 20 and we're getting
to the expiration of some of those okay i would say at least 20
and i wonder how many of those know about this that's a problem just getting them out to know
about it i heard of at least
so are we thinking goal two would be our number one would be the commission's number one anybody
else i still i still like the one that you have is number one
looking for uh you know additional sites
that doesn't take away from number two but so maybe simultaneously yeah i mean um
it's like ranking your children you know yeah
i don't have any kids
both of you ladies what i'm wondering is in order to do one which i think is very very important
because i think they're slipping away from us but i feel like in order to do that i don't want
people to feel like we've singled them out and to have to in place to feel like there's that carrot
for them to go with landmark districts so that's why i kind of think some attainments are going
together i don't know what chicken or the egg i mean i'm not sure you know which i think there's
a pretty good list out there i mean you've done a pretty good job of collecting all those already
we have the properties that are eligible but those range over 30 plus years so at this point are they
actually eligible um more eligible now well depending on how much work's been redone um
den seems to have a very high rate of alterations let's just put it that way at least that we've
been able to see so um so we we do have technically a starting list but what the goal of i guess
like our item 3c is is to create an actual list that you all think could be designated tomorrow
or should be designated tomorrow based off their integrity or whatnot um
but i definitely agree i definitely think goal one and two they are very simultaneous because
that's the biggest thing when i try and sell it to people is they go well the tax exemptions are not
that great so why should i go through the trouble of that paperwork exactly and that's why i think
if you if you elevate too because i think one is ongoing forever it's never going to be finished
right i would think right yeah that's true you know that it's gonna it's it's a constant thing
that will keep you employed for a long time right yeah even in turn you know um so i was
thinking if you could just get somebody a reason why they should do this i think it would be really
important there's so many people to just like the lady on the solar panel right you want you want
people to feel like there's some benefit in being part of it right and then if we just constantly
you know update the list i don't know about the other three though i'm not sure what order i was
trying to read those but so then the last the policy 3.2 that's just been obviously an ongoing
discussion that we've had with sub chapter 2 and definitions ad hoc committee in terms of creating
goals um and then goal or the policy 3.1 i threw that in there because if we're creating a list
the hlc the hpo as we we have the authority to put a report together and then basically just say
hey get the owner's permission but say hey we already did all the paperwork for you
we just need your signature if you want to be a designation here are your green tax incentives if
you want to do it and we can file it for you and review it so we have that authority to do basically
that paperwork and then just have them sign off so that's kind of why i just threw policy 3.1 in
there because it'd be fun to have at least one designation in 2023 because i think the last
designation that went through hlc planning zoning and city council was 2019 i have one for you though
i think later okay i don't know it's not the work i don't like at some point for us to discuss when
we do that is um giving them a little certificate and having them come to a meeting to make it
a bigger deal yeah does that make sense oh yes okay we want to invite you have you know
anyways a little celebration yes i think so yeah that's nice so put the name in the paper
yeah there you go there's no paper anymore but you know what i mean
but as i say if you all don't want to prioritize it and you think all these are important
it was just more to start a discussion um you don't have to prioritize it tonight
but if you guys are okay with these being y'all's goals for 2023
then i can just make sure that these kind of live in our matrix as annual updates
at the annual updates section of our matrix um and something that i obviously just keep in mind
and that you all i can add that to your binder if you want to put it to your binder just so
that you kind of have um that visual reminder i guess each month but um yeah so
do you have any thoughts i think that's a wonderful idea yeah okay well i think everybody
thinks it's a wonderful idea cameron thank you very much okay sounds good we'll move on to item
3c hlc 23-009 receiver report holds a discussion to give staff direction on the historic landmark
commission's request for local historic designations of eligible historic properties do we have anyone
who wants to present one i have a thank you for sending me stuff but of course um do you want me
bring up the picture of it please do you have that excellent i was just trying to pull it up on my
phone but yeah no worries and this is a property that most everybody should be familiar with
especially given all the goodies that are over here oopsies it's on elm
don't i don't want to rename it i just want to type something in okay
and it is zoom in
oh cool we can go down oh weird cool beans okay there it is
this is the house you had an old picture of it as well uh that you sent me and it looks
remarkably similar i know eric just finished all of his renovation on the house he's been
working on it forever in five days and i think he finished it just before the pandemic arrived at
the edge of the pandemic and i think cameron you said it was built in 1888 yes and had some kind
of renovation path in between or update and we both decided it maybe it had moved but i have to
say i went to look at the plat and there's something wrong with the reload on the plat on
the city's website it kept just saying it crashed but it was there for a second when i looked and it
was there there but if you look at the the gis map it's not clear to me which piece of property the
house is actually on they list that they live on 214 but 214 is like a on the behind the creek
behind that house oh sorry y'all that's okay that's the original i'm just trying to bring it he did a
great job he really did he did all the most all the work himself he was his general contractor
and look at that i mean is that not remarkable how close is i don't know i can't see the windows too
a little diagonal ones but he worked at it really hard and and cameron is showing you the picture
that i saw too and it looks like we both agree that it was moved back from elm and now the address
their home address is listed as 214 west prairie which is the other street but this is clearly i
thought on elm so i'm a little confused the good news is all three past owners listed are all people
i know and so i just haven't had a chance to catch up with eric because i try to avoid the bakery if
i'm not trying to eat food it's and they're not open on monday which is my relatively free day but
i think if we talk to eric and hello they might be interested i mean they're very great in the
community they might be interested in having a declarable landmark if they especially since
part of the property is a business they may actually benefit even more in that regard and
the previous owner and i somehow remembered when i was talking to you about you know i think i know
you still live there because it just was an old topic of conversation i think randy and aneta hunt
owned it in the past iterations i went to denton cad to find that and i was right she was the last
owner he was the owner before don't ask me why okay the land if you look at it on the
on the property area it's really weird if you look at the denton cad roll it's hard to figure out
which property belongs to where it's it's totally messed up we don't know when that picture was
taken this was in the 1940s so every foot tax card that the county has um all the photos were
taken in the 1940s so if your property does not have a photo it was likely built after the 1940s
so this was like 1942 1943 there's a fire when these were taken and the other were destroyed except
these little tiny thumbnails was elm ever rerouted uh no so i actually looked at historic aerials and
everything it looks like they just pushed it back because they wanted to build this
so they just moved it back because they didn't want to demo it and whoever owned it
just was trying to keep the house but build this at the same time because the house is 37
square feet and it's huge yeah and this actually is a pretty important so i had to do i did research
on this property so this actually has a really interesting history this was one i think the first
buick card like dealership um and they the original owners had owned uh
they had owned this property they grew out of that property wanted to actually sell more cars so they
built this property and i have a whole email i need to pull it up um but i did research for
eagle surveying because they were thinking about originally going for a destination so i pulled up
some newspaper but so all this history is pretty interesting but um so do the folks who own the
bakery also own the old car dealership that's what i wanted do you know are they leasing that i did not
do that research do you know commercial tax break for them for work on the old car dealership which
is a fantastic structure oh they own both they own all of that property if you okay but i can't
quite figure out which one is actually where they live and which one is part of the commercial or
all of them it's not it's not clear to me um but i just did a quick dead and cad search because i
had some of their addresses listed was 214 south elm and then there was 216 south elm and 214 west
prairie the three addresses that i came up with and so and if you look at how the map it's really
kind of weird it's just it's weird camera what what kind of architectural style is that house
this house sure yeah that house oh my gosh that's like a classical revival it's probably
the only example we have in denver okay and so something and you know i took care a couple
of weeks ago before so they okay so they own both it's just split into two lots so it was because
this i think there used to be a house here and it faced prairie and then there used to be obviously
their house up here and then there was another house here based on aerials but then this was
constructed this is moved back and then i don't know what happened yeah i don't either so but
they but you didn't let me go into depth in that so he actually knows since he owned it before
yeah he probably did research on it i would imagine no so he would be it would be worthwhile
also talking to him and seeing if he knows what's going on yeah who the original owners we have that
in our tax cards so the last one was somebody named keys or something the last three they only
show through i said all of them which i think i said so it was built by the armstrongs
okay and then the next property owner was uh nacy or massie massie okay
i love these little cards they're just do you think they ever added onto the home based on
aerials it didn't look like they did um i definitely want to do some more research just via our
community development but we would know most of the changes based off these tax cards at least up
until like the early 1960s i mean they think that doesn't matter to me right yeah so i don't think
they have that clean right there that they have and what it looks like today it looks like maybe
two wings which i'm just thinking if not that was a lot to move yeah yeah i mean it was so much more
common in the old days to move houses you know now it's not done it looks like it was i think um i
think i emailed you mary that was built or it was moved sometime in the 1930s yeah because it was
moved back from other building was built in like 1950 so and i thought it was like 33 you said or
30 yeah it was 30 it was between 33 and 35 something like that yeah but early early 1930s
that's when it seems to have been moved back but it was originally built in 1888
so and i mean that they put it so close to that drainage ditch just so i know which makes me
honors i know it's like is going to fall in but it's got that old style brick you know that the
of walls the that are so pretty and wobbly and so maybe it's well done but you know the building land
value is 10,259 in 1942 that's a lot of money actually no so i guess that's when the photo was
taken was 1942 yes it's a great house so i i certainly think we should uh encourage uh eric
and emma to do that and yeah when was the dealership built and the reason i ask is to
ask them about that structure is what about the bakery as well when was it built and i mean he
could get a tax incentive on that bakery if we want to give an incentive here the building that
was put up in 1950 eric bought it about 2009 that was before that was 2003 i think i have to i well
when was it built like from what she said 1950 the whole it was yeah because i think it's old enough
to be designated as well and i mean if it was an original buick dealership i could have yes also
tax benefits yes and i don't know what that building was before eric had it but certainly
eric would know and uh randy should and another should know what it was because they owned it for
a few years okay so they lived there for a while okay i figured it out okay good so mac
massie so mac massie he was the car dealership owner and that's when he moved to his new plant
which is now we're at home bakery and that was built in 1947 so he i guess lived in the building
behind so i said mac massie motor could pierce up left the building sometime 1946 which he was
originally at that gas station further up right now eagle surveying right um moving just on the
street to 416 south elm street 1947 to their new plant um i attached some newspaper articles
of the property sorry i'm not very jumbled in what i'm saying um but then also i know
that um chuck boellinger from the library he sent a video on the ravelin bakery building itself but
it seems that the owner of the house that we're interested also owned the car dealership in front
of him sure and or his plant so that's a really neat story to tell huge huge significance going
over a large period of time you're welcome well we got to have we have to have a minimum four votes
to add it to the list it seems like everyone's there but we have to all right what is it i make
a motion that we put on the uh on the uh list can we have a motion for married we have a second
second second from lenny oh or discussion first oh wait discussion yeah this is just
to put on the list of possible so yes just to put on the list so yeah is that unanimous all right
okay that was easy that was easy all right yeah it's kind of exciting then you know think about
that you drive by places all the time and you don't think about them so open your eyes as you
drive by there's got to be some interesting stuff that we just don't recognize yep all right
okay moving on to 3d hlc three dash three three seven hold the discussion regarding the historic
landmark commission project links okay so um we are going to move that public outreach and education
kind of that discussion that we had last in january continued that discussion in march so be
thinking about that and some ideas and i'll be brief oh sorry thank you thank you bringing that
forward back in march 6 so just keep thinking i'm going to bring the ideas as well forward and kind
of have that discussion going um obviously we had the hlc's ordinance uh membership qualifications
that happened today uh bringing back that uh quantifying the economic impact of preserving
historic properties um both in the future and then kind of incentivizing proper or owners to design
their properties um i still have this definition ad hoc committee presenting in 2023 for just
presentation of preliminary guidelines i can move that back even further to mid 2023 but just to
have that on there uh dme i finally confirmed with them they are coming on the march 6th meeting to
discuss the solar panels and have that discussion they just need a little bit more time to get
everything together um and they just didn't feel like they would still be ready for february so um
so um historic landmark commission you know we still have those same items
and then annual update i think marcel will be presenting that i don't know you can say
it'll be vmo i'll just say vmo okay um and then in terms of all the goals that we discussed that
you all discussed today i will add these to the annual update so that uh we can have updates and
notes of where we're at in terms of progress um but that's it is there anything that you all want
to add to the matrix or if you feel like we're at a good spot um right now
if there's no other business i will entertain a motion to adjourn
unanimous thank you all right thank you everyone