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 Good evening and welcome to the Thursday, December 13th, 2018, Traffic Safety Commission

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 It is 533 and we do have a quorum.

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 The first item on our agenda is presentations from members of the public.

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 At this point, anybody from the public can make comments.

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 You have up to four minutes.

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 And is there anybody who wants to make public comment?

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 The previous agenda item that I'd like to ask about, I have no idea what it is, but

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 >> Good evening.

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 Thank you, Chair, Commissioners.

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 I wanted to give you a little bit of background, start with saying that our meeting, this particular meeting, is typically the first Monday of the month.

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 And it was moved because we were having a joint meeting between the city, the mayor, and TW, the chancellor of TW.

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 And we were holding these, not necessarily quarterly, but every other month, every month, depending on how much information we have, to start a collaborative effort similar to what we've started with UNT.

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 And as part of that first meeting, there was interest from TW to look at what happens with a closure.

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 What are their master plans say and what are we as a city required?

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 So we started down that path and we had a meeting a week and a half ago, the first week of December, with TW staff.

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 And this is the presentation that was done on December 6th.

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 And that's why this meeting was moved forward to this particular week.

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 So they want to know as part of their big picture master plan, they want to see if Bell Avenue can be shut down, primarily because of a lot of pedestrian activity across Bell between their campus buildings and the new housing that's going on the east side of Bell.

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 So they want to see what are the options, what is required, what is needed, what does the city want from our perspective, and how would they go about it, would there be a phasing plan, and what are the different aspects that we need to look at.

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 So this is an overview of what we talked about, what's the purpose of the project, what methodology we're going to use, define the study area, it shouldn't be just focused on one particular segment, but look at a big picture.

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 Cost, who's going to pay that cost, who's going to share the cost to do the study, and then last, what are the next steps.

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 So the purpose is a joint integration of their master plan with cities future needs.

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 This is a better way of understanding what the campus needs and provide for that, so that city can plan our infrastructure with this particular in mind so we, we have to determine the existing traffic conditions in and around that particular campus, that's the first step.

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 We'll evaluate the feasibility, is it even feasible, what happens to the rest of the intersections, or even the rest of the streets, and then what are the improvements, if we move forward with Bell, what are the improvements that are needed to the adjoining streets, be it Elm, Locust, even up to Carroll, Riddell, name it.

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 So this is the methodology, we'll go do data collection, a bunch of intersections, street segments, run some future numbers, which is forecasting their master plan, our city growth overall in terms of traffic, and then look at these different build out years, starting with existing 2040, and then conduct some alternative analysis.

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 What if we shut down portions of Bell, what if, what if we provide part time access, you know, few hours of the day if we shut down Bell, what's going to happen, so that those type of alternatives will be analyzed, and then develop mitigations.

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 So this is the area I just want to show you, if we are going to shut down Bell in this particular area, it will impact all these streets, Oakland, Locust, Elm, all the way up to Carroll, because Elm and Locust are not well connected, so there is no detour in between these to going back and forth, so even Carroll comes into picture.

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 There's areas in this north neighborhood, especially this intersection, that will come into picture, we go all the way to, this is Mockingbird or Old North, which covers everything in this area, because if we close this, what are the impacts not only on Riddell, but there are some neighborhoods that have cut through streets.

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 So we're encompassing the whole area, we'll look at it as part of the study.

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 What are the costs? So we reached out to a consultant and asked them, so what do you think are the costs, they're in the ballpark range of $140,000 for this joint study.

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 We are looking at ways to come up with the cost sharing. TW did mention that they don't have cash particularly in hand, but the other aspect they can look at is how do we share different things like sidewalk on Mingo.

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 We need that area next to their fence, if they can move the fence and we can provide that, that's a cost benefit to the city, to the citizens, so we take that as their share or part in this study.

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 So there are different ways of moving forward with this. Total cost is $140,000, this is just a start.

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 So what will happen, this is a long term when everything, all the agreements are in place, we'll move forward with the study, but in the interim what they want to do is they want to calm traffic down in this particular segment and start setting the stage.

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 So the first thing they're thinking about is a temporary roundabout at Chapel Drive. They already have a new access here across that goes into this new building that's under construction currently.

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 So they're looking at how we can set up a temporary roundabout, guide people to start using it, students start learning about it, people slow down.

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 Similarly, they'll put a temporary roundabout at College, which is where they can start diverting people off if need be and then calm traffic in between Chapel and College.

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 So the main idea is to slow everyone down coming into the campus area and make it feel as if you're entering a different zone as opposed to, oh, it's just a straight cut through, going through the campus.

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 Ultimately, also there's another roundabout at North Texas and this, I'm sorry, Texas Street and the reason for this one, the ultimate goal is to shut down Bell between Texas and Chapel and there is a new parking structure off of Oakland here.

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 So any car that wants to come in and won't be able to go forward will use that roundabout to circle back and head either to the parking garage or head out onto Locus.

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 So that's the idea of training people to understand, okay, this is the new setup in the interim, it'll work as a traffic calming device, slow people down, and then also train them that, yeah, this particular segment is going to be something different.

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 So this is an interim and we're working with TWU to come up with ways of implementing this when we're moving forward.

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 So these are the next steps and then questions.

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 So that was the presentation that was given to TWU about this particular item and the reason this meeting was moved, I wanted to start the conversation with Traffic Safety Commission about this is in the horizon, this could go forward and happen, and it's just a beginning.

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 So we want to make sure that you know what's going on and once the results of the traffic study come in, we'll definitely come back with a recommendation of what TWU needs to put in to make things work on Bell.

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 >> Could you make part of that study?

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 >> Could you make part of that study the A-Train extension into the TWU campus?

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 >> We can and we've had conversations with DCTA.

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 There is no substantial movement in that particular aspect.

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 There is a conceptual alternative in the TWU master plan, but it's not--and we'll work with TWU.

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 If they're willing to include that in their master plan, it will definitely be included in the study.

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 So somebody emailed me some questions, so I'm going to read it from what they sent me.

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 And so their question is, if the road were closed, would it be open to pedestrians and people on bikes?

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 That is our goal.

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 And then she writes, if Belle Avenue cannot be closed, what are the plans to improve bicycle accommodations

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 between College Street and University 380 all the way to Windsor?

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 Currently, the bike lane ends on the uphill at College Street.

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 So I think there's an uphill right here that's where the--so that's exactly where the bike lane drops off.

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 >> And then it merges--so it merges and becomes--so this lane is fully usable by bicyclists as well as vehicles.

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 >> So right now, it's a shared use area and, yeah, our primary goal is to convert this particular area

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 into more a bike-pet friendly area and keep the traffic out eventually once the study is done.

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 But in the interim, once the roundabouts are put in, this area will be a combined flow area anyways

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 because the roundabout will bring everything together and I think they can actually have slower speeds

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 You think that that will slow people down?

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 >> That will definitely slow people down.

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 I don't--I have not done a lot of roundabouts so I'm kind of wondering how that's going to like maneuvering next to a car,

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 >> Yeah, I think typically cars enter a roundabout at about 15 to 20 miles an hour.

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 It's not more than that and that's very low speed compared to some of the other streets that we have in this area.

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 >> So I think the--it's interesting.

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 So I worked in the building right there on the right for four years on the other side of the street, kind of to the right over here.

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 There you go, just if you see it.

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 Oh, there's old home.

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 So I used to work there and so the thing that's interesting to me is I actually feel like this central part of campus, the street moves very slow.

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 The lanes are narrow.

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 There's lots of things to look at.

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 It does all the things that skinny lanes do.

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 It's right once you get off of those portions, particularly the downhill, is where I see it.

215
00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:40,240
 So I think the roundabout would be a great way to slow this all down.

216
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:50,240
 But--and if TW really wants to shut down the street, I'm not opposed to it, but I also don't see it as a real problem because the car, if you've ever been there when classes are out,

217
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:56,240
 I mean, trust me, cars know to avoid it because you're just going to be sitting there waiting for people crossing the street for five minutes.

218
00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,240
 Everyone's crossing and so I think people naturally know so.

219
00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:07,240
 Yeah, I think that area, this is where it really becomes dangerous real quick because you have cyclists, pedestrians coming off and cars speed up real quick.

220
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,240
 It's the same problem we have off the square.

221
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,240
 So just--it's a really interesting plan.

222
00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:16,240
 I'm just--I've never found a problem in the center part of the campus with cars.

223
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,240
 They're moving super slow usually.

224
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:19,240
 They're not gunning through that area.

225
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:26,240
 I think the speed limit changes right here and this is where you're already on the slope and you start accelerating.

226
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:31,240
 So this is exactly where it'll slow down and in the next round about it, North Texas will slow them down also.

227
00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,240
 Yeah, that would be good because it wasn't several years ago.

228
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,240
 I thought a young woman was killed there.

229
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:38,240
 Yeah, that's where the fatality was.

230
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:43,240
 We have been registering complaints of the danger right before that happened because it is.

231
00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:44,240
 It's dark.

232
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,240
 It was wide and dangerous, but yeah.

233
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,240
 Yes, and we are working on a lighting plan in this area too, street lights.

234
00:20:50,240 --> 00:21:00,240
 And this is also part of connecting the downtown transit center to TWU is figuring out how to make those roads safer for pedestrian and cyclists.

235
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:10,240
 Okay, so this might just be a dumb nomenclature question, but will this be a roundabout or will it be a traffic circle?

236
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:16,240
 So we will try and put in a roundabout because ultimately we want to construct a roundabout.

237
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:28,240
 We still have to work out the details, but we've talked to TWU and actually Texas Street is a perfect location.

238
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:33,240
 If you give me a second.

239
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:43,240
 Well, wrong place.

240
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,240
 There we go.

241
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,240
 Actually, TWU has this corner.

242
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:54,240
 So they actually have enough space here to create that curve to come in.

243
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,240
 So a roundabout here will fit well and then we'll install the median.

244
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,240
 So this median, this turn lane is not required.

245
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:05,240
 So we'll install the splitter islands in the middle and only one lane goes through.

246
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:14,240
 So this intersection has enough space currently that we can convert the approaches into a roundabout.

247
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,240
 That's great.

248
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,240
 Is there a timeline that you're looking at?

249
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,240
 That's a good question.

250
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:29,240
 I think TWU is looking at can we get the study completed by next summer?

251
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:36,240
 And in the interim, let's start working on what's the cost, what are the pricing for this temporary roundabout.

252
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:46,240
 The stuff that we're talking about is more bolt down curbs, rubberized plastic that can be easily bolted down.

253
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:53,240
 And then once people get used to it and you want to implement the bigger or the permanent solution, then you can just pull it out.

254
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,240
 You start using it somewhere else.

255
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:59,240
 So that's the plan.

256
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:00,240
 Okay. Thank you.

257
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,240
 You just need us to chat about it, right?

258
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,240
 Yes.

259
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,240
 So it's more of a let's get the conversation started.

260
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,240
 Does anybody else have any questions or comments about?

261
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:16,240
 Where do you anticipate the northbound traffic coming from the south to divert to?

262
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,240
 I mean, are we going over to Oakland?

263
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,240
 So there are a couple of things.

264
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:31,240
 If the north-- if it's a cut-through traffic that goes to this neighborhood, most likely there is a decision point down here that they will use some of the other routes.

265
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:36,240
 But if they continue and they're at this intersection, they'll continue going on Mingo.

266
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:48,240
 And we are planning to looking at widening Riddell to a larger facility, to a four-lane street where-- and even in their master plan,

267
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:54,240
 they have a major entrance to the camp, TW campus in their ultimate master plan from Riddell.

268
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,240
 So Riddell becomes a major street.

269
00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:03,240
 This intersection widens up and adds capacity, and that's how you would get into this neighborhood.

270
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:04,240
 There are other options.

271
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,240
 You can use Oakland and then hop on to Locust to go north.

272
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,240
 So there are different options.

273
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,240
 And, you know, traffic is like water.

274
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,240
 You'll find the path of least resistance eventually.

275
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:27,240
 Yeah, I figure that most people coming from the south would just-- if they're going to go north and they want to go to the east, they'll just hop on to Mingo right there at Bell.

276
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:40,240
 But I was thinking about the traffic that might be on Withers and Texas and also diverting over to Oakland and not-- trying not to-- I mean, there is going to be a parking garage.

277
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,240
 Yes.

278
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,240
 But not loading that street up because there is a lot of traffic there, too.

279
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:52,240
 So that's exactly what the study will determine is, yes, Oakland has-- currently has on-street parking available.

280
00:24:52,240 --> 00:25:00,240
 So if we really need the capacity in the future and a lot of traffic has been diverted to Oakland, then what are the changes that we need there?

281
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:09,240
 Do we get rid of on-street parking or how do we compensate for that particular parking thing and then provide more capacity on Oakland?

282
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,240
 Two lanes in each direction or whatnot.

283
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,240
 Okay.

284
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,240
 Is Riddell going to be connected eventually?

285
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:18,240
 Connected to--

286
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,240
 The north and south segments of Riddell?

287
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,240
 Here?

288
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,240
 Yes.

289
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:23,240
 Okay.

290
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:33,240
 It's a CIP project where Riddell is going to-- actually, it's-- yeah, it's going to swing across and then connect here.

291
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,240
 So it's going to be a 90-degree connection to Mingo.

292
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:44,240
 So there is-- it's currently under design.

293
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,240
 So, yeah, long-term good plans around this area.

294
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,240
 Yeah.

295
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,240
 And are you going to close Pertain when you do that?

296
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,240
 Pertain.

297
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,240
 Are you going to leave that open?

298
00:25:54,240 --> 00:26:02,240
 So one of the-- there are several options, but one of the options is this will go around that way.

299
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,240
 Wayne can continue further and connect to Riddell.

300
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,240
 So we'll lose this crossing and then lose that crossing.

301
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:16,240
 And there will be only one crossing instead of two crossings at the railroad.

302
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,240
 Okay.

303
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,240
 Okay.

304
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,240
 Any other questions, comments?

305
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,240
 All right.

306
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,240
 Carry on.

307
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:40,240
 All right, that means we move on to item 2CTSC 18-049, which is to hold-- receive a report, hold discussion,

308
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:55,240
 and make a recommendation to city council for approval of ordinance to restrict on-street parking along the east side of Bernard from Willowwood to Acme Street.

309
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,240
 So this is one of the first ones for the parking.

310
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:10,240
 And there are several concerned resident requests as well as a request from council member or Mayor Pro Tem Ryan about this particular segment.

311
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:18,240
 This is segment of Bernard from Acme Street to Willowwood Street.

312
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:25,240
 So currently, the way it functions, this is 377, connects to 35.

313
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:32,240
 Majority of the traffic entering this neighborhood uses that access to go into the neighborhood.

314
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:39,240
 And one of the issues is currently on Acme, parking is prohibited both directions.

315
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,240
 It's a very narrow street.

316
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:46,240
 I think it's 25 or 26 feet wide.

317
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,240
 So parking is restricted on either side.

318
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,240
 There is no parking on both sides.

319
00:27:53,240 --> 00:28:01,240
 When you get to this particular intersection, parking is allowed on both sides.

320
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,240
 And people start going north.

321
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,240
 There is commercial.

322
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,240
 After this first house goes, there is a commercial area.

323
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:17,240
 And then especially in the evening rush hour when people are returning, the major concern is there is only one lane available.

324
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,240
 It's currently 26 feet wide.

325
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:24,240
 With parked cars on both sides, you have less than 20 feet.

326
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,240
 You have barely that one car could fit in.

327
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:35,240
 So every once in a while, you have a car that's in front of you and then you have to back out in a driveway area or a space that's open.

328
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,240
 So that's what's happening.

329
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:45,240
 In the neighborhood, residents are really frustrated with this particular segment.

330
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:52,240
 And then once they hit Willowwood, which is this street, Willowwood is no parking on either side.

331
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,240
 So that portion, they're fine accessing.

332
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:14,240
 So right now, there is this small connector piece between Acme and Willowwood that has some serious parking concerns as far as access, safety, people not able to get into the neighborhood.

333
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:33,240
 And that's the reason we looked at it according to the fire code, as I mentioned in the AIS, according to fire code, if you have anywhere between 26 and 32 feet of street, you're only allowed to park on one side because according to the code, they need 20 feet clear.

334
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,240
 And then fire code requires at a minimum a six-foot parking lane.

335
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:45,240
 So this is a perfect candidate, this particular small segment is a perfect candidate for restricting parking on one side.

336
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,240
 And if the parking on one side is restricted, then the fire lane requirements are met.

337
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:59,240
 You have 20 feet on one side as well as it will alleviate safety concerns from the neighbors, especially when it starts getting darker early and early.

338
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:22,240
 So that's why at this point, staff is recommending that the commission approves moving forward and recommends approval to council for restricted parking on the east side of Bernard where majority of the frontage is commercial.

339
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,240
 Any questions?

340
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:30,240
 >> I guess the question I have is, and I think it's a great idea, but where do those people park then if they can't park over there?

341
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,240
 Is there other places for them to go?

342
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,240
 >> So that's a good question.

343
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,240
 This is a commercial frontage anyways.

344
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,240
 Bernard Street parking is allowed on the south side on both sides.

345
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:49,240
 And the street is, I'm not sure exactly the width of the street, but slightly wider than the north side.

346
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:54,240
 So, but this particular is a very highly used travel path.

347
00:30:54,240 --> 00:31:00,240
 So it's a main connector for the whole neighborhood, especially when you have that one interchange.

348
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,240
 The other place that people connect is the full interchanges at North Texas.

349
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:20,240
 So if you see that this becomes a big entry point, and that's why given the flow of traffic and the volume, that's the reason it's been requested that we restrict parking on one side.

350
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:26,240
 Any other questions?

351
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:37,240
 And obviously these commercial uses, they're not using on street parking at nighttime anyways.

352
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:42,240
 >> Did we get any feedback from property owners?

353
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,240
 >> We have not received any property owner responses.

354
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:53,240
 We've contacted all these property owners that are fronting all of these on either side, and we have not received any feedback.

355
00:31:53,240 --> 00:32:02,240
 I mean, we've already, we've done letters and door hangers in the past two weeks.

356
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:07,240
 >> Okay, any other questions, comments about this?

357
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:12,240
 Okay, so we're looking for, we're just discussing this.

358
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,240
 Are we going to make a--

359
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,240
 >> Recommendation to the council.

360
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,240
 >> Make a recommendation.

361
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,240
 Make recommendation, okay.

362
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,240
 Does, and do I have a recommendation to move this forward?

363
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,240
 >> Excuse me real quick, is this a chance for him to get to speak, or?

364
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,240
 >> He's on.

365
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:26,240
 >> He's the next.

366
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,240
 >> Yeah, he's on next.

367
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,240
 Give him a call, find out if he wants to talk.

368
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,240
 Okay.

369
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,240
 >> It's just one side.

370
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,240
 >> Sorry.

371
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,240
 >> Okay.

372
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,240
 >> I'll make a motion to approve.

373
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:42,240
 >> Okay.

374
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,240
 >> Staff recommendation.

375
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,240
 >> Okay.

376
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,240
 >> I second it.

377
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,240
 >> And a second, everyone in favor?

378
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:48,240
 Right hand up.

379
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,240
 There you go.

380
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,240
 Okay, it's unanimous, that will go forward to council.

381
00:32:53,240 --> 00:33:02,240
 So that brings us to item 2D, which is TSC 18-051, which is to receive a report, hold

382
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:08,240
 discussion and make recommendation to city council for approval of ordinance to restrict

383
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:16,240
 on street parking along the west side of Hinkle from Windsor to University Drive.

384
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:27,240
 Yes, this -- so when we wrote the AIS and our recommendation, we did not have the meeting

385
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:28,240
 that we had last night.

386
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,240
 We had a last night meeting.

387
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,240
 We -- staff met.

388
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:40,240
 There's a Hinkle Drive drainage project along Hinkle and Windsor area.

389
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,240
 So there are drainage improvements along this area as well as along Hinkle.

390
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,240
 And then this whole street will be repaved, Windsor and Hinkle.

391
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,240
 So that was the project.

392
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,240
 So we had a public meeting.

393
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,240
 And there is a brand new development going in here.

394
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,240
 So it was kind of a combo meeting.

395
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,240
 Just a quick background on that.

396
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:05,240
 We received feedback from residents about not wanting to restrict parking on Hinkle.

397
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:14,240
 And in that case, we want to let the commissioner know that we need to weigh that option at this point.

398
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:16,240
 It was not part of our AIS.

399
00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:22,240
 So staff recommendation, what we can do is we can hold this item.

400
00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:28,240
 We can come back later or we can make -- reject our recommendations that we don't want to restrict parking.

401
00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:30,240
 So that's -- all these options are in the table.

402
00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:42,240
 But I want to present the case in the light that there have been several concerns about the bicycle lane on Hinkle.

403
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:45,240
 I know the pavement conditions are not the greatest.

404
00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:51,240
 Hinkle is in really poor bad -- poor conditions.

405
00:34:51,240 --> 00:34:55,240
 And I don't think there was -- there's a -- it shows up here.

406
00:34:55,240 --> 00:35:03,240
 But there was a bike lane installed on Hinkle next to a parking area.

407
00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:08,240
 So there was a parking area marked a bike lane and another bike lane on the other side.

408
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:15,240
 What was happening is the cars were being parked in the bike lane.

409
00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:20,240
 Drivers were driving in the bike and the parking lane.

410
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:22,240
 So there was not clear direction.

411
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:30,240
 People were confused what usage went where and there were a lot of complaints about what's happening.

412
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:40,240
 There was a very little understanding of -- so if you look at this striping, this is what existed at some point.

413
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:43,240
 So that's a parking area.

414
00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:46,240
 That's the bike lane in the area.

415
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:49,240
 These are the two travel lanes and this is the second bike lane.

416
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:52,240
 So that's how it was striped.

417
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:59,240
 And for the longest time, people were driving using both the bike area as well as the lane.

418
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:06,240
 And then it was expected that the bicyclists should be driving in the parking area.

419
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,240
 So there was not clear understanding.

420
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:09,240
 There was some issues.

421
00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:11,240
 Yes, the pavement is bad.

422
00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:21,240
 So one of the options and alternatives we looked at as part of that project is what if we remove parking and create buffered bike lanes on either side?

423
00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:25,240
 We looked at parking utilization.

424
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:26,240
 It's very low.

425
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:31,240
 There are a lot of these lots further down the street.

426
00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:35,240
 As you can see, there's barely any parking that barely have any access.

427
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:37,240
 There's one house that has access.

428
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:43,240
 All the others in the subdivision have access to the cross streets.

429
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:50,240
 So if you look at some of these, one has that and then all of these have access here.

430
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:59,240
 So a lot of them park along these cross streets and that was the thinking behind our recommendation even before we had that public meeting.

431
00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:07,240
 So the whole idea was to create buffered bike lanes on both directions, remove parking and two travel lanes.

432
00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:17,240
 Given what feedback we received in last night's meeting, we're open to having a discussion and looking at things differently.

433
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:27,240
 If parking is required, then staff can work in that direction.

434
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:30,240
 >> Okay. I have a quick question for Preetam.

435
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:33,240
 How many people came to your meeting last night?

436
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:34,240
 >> How many were there, Tracy?

437
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:36,240
 About 50 or 60 people, I think.

438
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:37,240
 It was packed.

439
00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:39,240
 It was really packed.

440
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:42,240
 >> All right.

441
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:44,240
 >> Very well attended.

442
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:48,240
 And I think we heard from four or five people that this parking is needed.

443
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:52,240
 So that's when we stepped back and said, okay, this is good feedback.

444
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:53,240
 >> Okay.

445
00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:54,240
 All right.

446
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:55,240
 All right.

447
00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:57,240
 Yes, please.

448
00:37:57,240 --> 00:37:59,240
 And I'm going to make you do it all over again.

449
00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:01,240
 State your name, your address.

450
00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:02,240
 >> Yes, ma'am.

451
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:11,240
 Again, my name is Gary Dickens and I reside at 1201 Amherst Drive, which I don't know, can I use this?

452
00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:18,240
 It's way down, way down the street from where this one's showing.

453
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:26,240
 >> Saying that there's limited or no very limited usage of the parking, I would agree in part, but it is used regularly.

454
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:28,240
 I don't know what you consider regularly.

455
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:36,240
 I don't park there every night, but I have family members that park there three to four times a week anytime I have visitors come to my house.

456
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:43,240
 Because where my house is located, I have a stop sign in front of my house and a mailbox.

457
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:46,240
 There's no parking in front of my house whatsoever.

458
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:51,240
 And so Hinkle allows parking legally for me to park.

459
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:56,240
 The problems that Hinkle has, I would say, is with the striping.

460
00:38:56,240 --> 00:39:08,240
 The communication that's there, if you see on like this picture, they've included the parking lane and a bike lane, but because of the way it's striped, it's very vague and ambiguous.

461
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:16,240
 And then if it was clearly striped, I think people could see where the parking is allowed and where the bicycle path would be.

462
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:19,240
 I'm not against having a bicycle lane by any stretch.

463
00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:20,240
 I think it's awesome.

464
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:28,240
 But removing the parking would create just a nuisance to myself and some of my neighbors.

465
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:31,240
 It's going to increase parking on the side streets in front of my neighbor's homes.

466
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:37,240
 There's going to be my friends and family and things like that that will be parking there.

467
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:44,240
 My neighbor across the street directly and myself, we do park on Hinkle on a fairly regular basis.

468
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:48,240
 So for me, I didn't know there was a meeting last night, otherwise I probably would have been there too.

469
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:50,240
 But that's just my opinion.

470
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:53,240
 I don't know if I'm missing anything, I think.

471
00:39:53,240 --> 00:40:03,240
 That's our biggest concern is that by removing, by making it not legal to park there would just create a nuisance and just a problem.

472
00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:07,240
 I mean, we can live with it, we'll find a way, but we'd like to avoid it if possible.

473
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:11,240
 Any questions that you want for me as a homeowner?

474
00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:12,240
 Yes, sir.

475
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:18,240
 So I'm just curious, how crowded is the street that's on the side of your house?

476
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:25,240
 Amherst, the street Amherst is a very busy street because it's a cross-through street from university.

477
00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:35,240
 So people turn off to get away from university either at Malone Street or Cornell or even down at Georgetown.

478
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:39,240
 And they'll use Amherst as a cross-through, so it's very busy.

479
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:46,240
 There's parking on both sides of the street, but like again, my neighbor has a mailbox and so there's limited access on his front.

480
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:50,240
 And with my stop sign and mailbox, there's not much access.

481
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:57,240
 We actually park one of our cars between my house and my neighbor's house, so I'm actually parking in front of their house fairly regularly.

482
00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:00,240
 Well, every night. It is really.

483
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:07,240
 So if you had family over and wanted to park there, like on a regular basis, how far away would they have to park?

484
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:11,240
 Oh, a couple houses down maybe if they were parking.

485
00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:18,240
 And we could park across the street in the parking lot, but again, that's not technically legal to have the towing signs, things like that.

486
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:26,240
 Because we're not we're not either going to the church or to the movie tavern, because that's the parking lot that's across the street from my house.

487
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:31,240
 So just I'm just thinking of all possible solutions, and I don't even know.

488
00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:35,240
 Pretend might be really interesting to see what our various options are on that street.

489
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:42,240
 Do we are we ever able to negotiate with like a private parking lot that has availability during times or something like a case like this?

490
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:46,240
 Could they open it up or not tow if there's extra parking being used?

491
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:48,240
 Do we have any success with stuff like that?

492
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:52,240
 Yeah, I don't think we have any agreements with private parking lots.

493
00:41:52,240 --> 00:42:01,240
 It becomes a liability issue for them to open it up to public and then safety concerns that they have.

494
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:07,240
 So the parkings, his house.

495
00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:23,240
 So he's a damn hearse. If you just go further down that direction.

496
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:25,240
 So this this is my house here.

497
00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:32,240
 And again, with the stop sign and the mailbox, there's no legal space to park because I'd be too close to the stop sign.

498
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:39,240
 So we park oftentimes between that first and second tree there. Plus, you'll see my trash bins in this picture.

499
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:41,240
 You can actually see the trash bins.

500
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:48,240
 That's where my trash and recyclables are put out on the street, as well as most of my neighbors along Hinkle.

501
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:53,240
 All put our trash bins and recycle bins, which would be in the parking lane if it's allowed to park.

502
00:42:53,240 --> 00:43:03,240
 Well, so if we got rid of this swoopy curve, couldn't the potentially the stop sign move out like six feet towards the road?

503
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:06,240
 And then you would also have parking spots there, too.

504
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:10,240
 Would that be another solution to create spots or do we have to have swoopy curves?

505
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:13,240
 And that's that's consistent with our standards.

506
00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:18,240
 The swoopy curves is a minimum radius required for turning vehicles.

507
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:26,240
 Trucks, larger trucks, larger vehicles, you won't be able to turn it. That curve changes and becomes a really angled corner.

508
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:32,240
 What do you mean? It looks like there's like a ton of room there. So if it was straight, came straight out, what would?

509
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:38,240
 So the turning from the other side into and turning out onto Hinkle.

510
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:46,240
 If you look at the double yellow line, a vehicle that is larger would not be able to make that without going onto the curb.

511
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:52,240
 They're very real to drag. So that's a minimum standard criteria for our curves.

512
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:57,240
 And the way they've changed the striping, you can see where they've moved the striping over for the lineage.

513
00:43:57,240 --> 00:44:00,240
 And so there's plenty of lane space as far as there always has been.

514
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:09,240
 But now there's even more space for parking that would not cause any kind of hindrance with traffic because it should be a one lane either direction.

515
00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:18,240
 And if you choose to change that, I'll come and protest that as well.

516
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:24,240
 Well, I'm just I don't know if the questions are specifically for you, but for whoever, right? As part of kind of the discussion.

517
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:30,240
 So yes. So what are the what are the options here? I mean, so right now is that I have another comment card.

518
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:36,240
 So let's go ahead and let's see if we can. OK, thank you.

519
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:42,240
 Hang tight. We might have more questions for you. But is Gail here? Gail Garber.

520
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:51,240
 OK. OK. So I have a comment card from Gail Garber, who resides at 1200 Meadow Ridge.

521
00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:58,240
 She is she didn't check. Oh, she does not want to speak, but she's in opposition.

522
00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:05,240
 Her comment is parking is used more during the summer and daytime than now.

523
00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:14,240
 It real viewing now and an evening, not a good comp to use as data that is relevant.

524
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:20,240
 I personally have used parking on Hinkle multiple times. My work crews in my house use the parking.

525
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:25,240
 Also, both Good Sam and Brookdale have used the street parking in just the past two months.

526
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:34,240
 So we have two comments in opposition. I want to ask, like looking at Hinkle and I've spent time on my bike on Hinkle.

527
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:40,240
 And it's really it seems to me like Hinkle is two different ecosystems.

528
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:53,240
 We have this system that where the houses are and then we've got that stretch where cars speed up and where there has been a fatality years ago.

529
00:45:53,240 --> 00:46:07,240
 There was a cyclist cycling fatality on Hinkle. And I'm wondering whether we could think in terms of bifurcating the treatment of Hinkle and the more northern part.

530
00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:12,240
 Get the treatment that we're talking about removing parking, protected bike lanes.

531
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:22,240
 But then the section that's next to the residential areas, there will be some natural traffic calming with cars in the street.

532
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:28,240
 And it's true. If you're going to follow the rules and not park in front of the stop sign,

533
00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:37,240
 then those houses lose some significant parking on the streets that they front.

534
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:42,240
 That's a thought. I know we don't have to make a decision tonight and there probably will be more meetings.

535
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:45,240
 So lucky you.

536
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:53,240
 So just so that, you know, yesterday's meeting included a big development going in. It's a residential development.

537
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:59,240
 So I think it'll mostly come in line with residential on either side, this particular north section.

538
00:46:59,240 --> 00:47:05,240
 So it probably will change character soon and may require that parking as part of that.

539
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:11,240
 That's what we heard is the development may require parking on Hinkle.

540
00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:18,240
 Could they, I mean, since we're going to get some fresh, you know, greenfield kind of dug up there,

541
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:32,240
 would some onus be on the development to provide more of a setback potentially including more bike and pedestrian infrastructure on Hinkle?

542
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:35,240
 They are putting in sidewalks on Hinkle.

543
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:44,240
 Okay. And as far as setbacks, I can't talk to about how much setback they have. It's more of a planning facet.

544
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:49,240
 I think that's some kind of-- that was kind of a dense development, I believe, that was going in there.

545
00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:51,240
 What's the density there?

546
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:54,240
 NR3 development.

547
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:56,240
 Oh, okay.

548
00:47:56,240 --> 00:48:10,240
 [ Inaudible Remark ]

549
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:14,240
 I'd like to get this sweater for the record that you have on your description. That's awesome.

550
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:19,240
 Okay. My name is Tracy Beck. I live at 611 Magnolia, which is in this area.

551
00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:26,240
 Okay. I thought I could outrun this project. I worked at TextDOT. I opposed the neighborhood.

552
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:30,240
 And then I'm working at the city, and I'm actually not opposed to the neighborhood.

553
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:35,240
 And I had a lot more involvement. And my mother got me this sweater, which I was going to change out of.

554
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:42,240
 And I said, "I'll be on camera with the sweater that you bought me that she now doesn't remember buying me." So it's fun.

555
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:50,240
 Okay. So my great introduction. I attended the meeting last night, which we anticipated was going to be a CIP, the Capital Improvement Project,

556
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:53,240
 because it's been long awaited from all of the neighbors, including myself.

557
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:58,240
 And one or two people were very interested in hearing about that project in a very full room.

558
00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:02,240
 And they said, "Let's hear about that fireside development," because there's been a lot of changes.

559
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:07,240
 There were going to be townhomes at one point. Then they turned into that they were going to be a senior development.

560
00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:15,240
 And that was a huge point last night, was where did that senior development, senior living, not assisted living, but just gated senior community.

561
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:24,240
 So at that point, a lot of the residents last night saw what was originally fireside senior has now become fireside,

562
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:27,240
 a new development, which is just traditional NR3.

563
00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:28,240
 NR3? Okay.

564
00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:37,240
 So it's 107 homes, approximately, I want to say it was 30 acres. I might be wrong on the 30 acres. It may have been 40 acres.

565
00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:45,240
 But it's a gross amount of the one, three homes per acre. They have a detention pond in it, which takes up some common area.

566
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:55,240
 They've got actually two ponds that are going in. So with that information, the residents last night have seen two different fireside projects.

567
00:49:55,240 --> 00:50:03,240
 And they are confused as to which one is coming in, because they have the same name with two totally different developers, two totally different entities.

568
00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:12,240
 And it's been over a couple of years. So there was a lot of information shared last night, as well as a lot of concern about traffic and such.

569
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:20,240
 So one of the things that came up with this development is that they've got one point of access on Henkel, and it's going to align with MIMOSA as proposed.

570
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:27,240
 The project's been approved. It's gone through platting, it's gone through zoning, it's on final plat. And if you're out there today, it's under construction.

571
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:34,240
 So the time to ask them to do anything additional, their traffic study didn't suggest anything significant.

572
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:42,240
 It sounds like a lot of homes, 107 homes. But in the reality, in the new neighborhoods that we see, that's not a lot of traffic.

573
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:52,240
 What we did with this new home, because it switched from a senior development into a traditional non-senior, is we opened up, I've got a little arrow.

574
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:59,240
 We opened up a second point of access up here. It was going to be a fire access only, because the original neighborhood needed two points of access.

575
00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:10,240
 Our development code says do not access an arterial. So when the first neighborhood came in, we said you don't have enough traffic to warrant two points of access.

576
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:21,240
 To relieve some of that traffic with the new development, because there will be more traffic, we opened this up so that the majority of the people that need to go to the west, to the north, 35W, won't use Hinkle.

577
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:26,240
 They're going to have an outlet to go to Razor as far away from all of the neighbors on Hinkle.

578
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:37,240
 And then this driver right here is going to be as far south as possible, so anyone who doesn't want to go north will end up having to further south so that they have the least impact to all the neighborhoods, stay away from the intersections.

579
00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:43,240
 One of the components that was brought up with this development is that we've changed our cross sections for our roadways.

580
00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:50,240
 We mentioned earlier about the 32 feet of right of way for being the minimum amount for the fire trucks to access where we have no parking.

581
00:51:50,240 --> 00:52:00,240
 The group here, when they came in, we had two different codes, and we said you're not going to be allowed to park on the street if you come in with this.

582
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:11,240
 So that's another factor that might come into play, is that the lots will be a little bit smaller than what's existing. There may not be as much parking on street that they need, so there could be some overflow onto Hinkle.

583
00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:20,240
 The other item that was brought up last night in conversation was that we've got Brookdale as a senior development, as well as Good Sam on the east side.

584
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:23,240
 I can't see too far from here, so look at this screen.

585
00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:34,240
 What was brought up last night, which I haven't observed because I'm usually here at the city, is that when there's activities, family night, there's not quite enough parking for Brookdale, so they'll actually use the street parking.

586
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:38,240
 And I don't observe that. I'm not there during the times.

587
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:45,240
 As well as Good Sam, I believe they have sufficient parking, but they're under construction now, so it's possible the equipment might be parking on the road is what people are seeing.

588
00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:56,240
 But there are some opportunities for some input that we received last night that, as Preetam said, we weren't aware of when we made this recommendation.

589
00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:01,240
 So the citizens have really helped us out, understand a little bit better what's going on during the day.

590
00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:07,240
 It's not a traditional parking, and when you come home from work, you park on the street, or your kids are parking on the street.

591
00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:09,240
 It's a slightly different use.

592
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:14,240
 So I'll be glad to answer any questions from anything, or I'll be glad to turn it back over.

593
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:19,240
 >> You said there was going to be an entrance off Hinkle from Mimosa?

594
00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:20,240
 >> It's going to be right here.

595
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:21,240
 >> Okay.

596
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:25,240
 >> That's the one main point of access that will be, it's the point of access.

597
00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:28,240
 >> So there will be no other streets north of that?

598
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:29,240
 >> No.

599
00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:30,240
 >> Connecting into Hinkle?

600
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:34,240
 >> One connection to Hinkle, yes, sir, and then there was going to be one connection.

601
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:41,240
 Some of the conversations that were brought up, people are concerned about traffic cutting straight through Mimosa and getting to Carroll.

602
00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:47,240
 They're upset with that a little bit, and they wanted to have it offset and have maybe the street mid-block.

603
00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:53,240
 The problem with that mid-block is that people are, you've got the bicycle lanes, you've got the sidewalk connections and whatnot.

604
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:55,240
 We kind of want to line the streets up.

605
00:53:55,240 --> 00:54:01,240
 It's desirable for traffic flow, it's desirable to control the complex points.

606
00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:08,240
 So offsetting that, it isn't a traditional favored alignment.

607
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:17,240
 We understood what they were trying to get to, but if somebody's turning out here, they believe that if you offset the alignment, it'll slow them down from here.

608
00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:19,240
 The opposition was on the other end of the street.

609
00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:23,240
 They said, well, they'll just make up lost time and speed at the other end of my street.

610
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:31,240
 So we've opened up some neighborhood meeting discussions with them saying if we want to come back and look at traffic calming, this is a long stretch of road going through there.

611
00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:38,240
 So they said that they were interested in some of our neighborhood meetings at Pre-Tem started over the past couple months.

612
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:40,240
 So just the one point.

613
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:42,240
 So there will be homes fronting Hankel?

614
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:46,240
 No, no, no, just one street, one street access.

615
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:50,240
 Okay. But no homes with driveways out onto Hankel?

616
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:51,240
 No, sir.

617
00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:54,240
 Why do they need parking if that's going to be that one access?

618
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:57,240
 Inside the neighborhood, there won't be on-street parking.

619
00:54:57,240 --> 00:55:04,240
 There's going to be limited on-street parking because the widths of the roadways they'll have, they're not going to be wide enough.

620
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:09,240
 As we were mentioning on Bernard, the road widths are not wide enough to allow for the fire.

621
00:55:09,240 --> 00:55:12,240
 When they came through, we had a different cross section.

622
00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:14,240
 They built and designed towards that.

623
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:20,240
 The design standards change where we said we would not permit, you can roll a curb, you can make it wider with a rolled curb.

624
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:23,240
 The response from the developer said it's too late to change anything.

625
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:27,240
 We're not going to widen it and we're not going to change our curb width. We'll just do no parking.

626
00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:32,240
 So it was their choice to have no parking on their streets.

627
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:36,240
 But they'd have to walk out of the subdivision essentially to get to parking?

628
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:38,240
 Yeah.

629
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:42,240
 I'm also quite, I'd be interested to see how often that actually happens, right?

630
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:48,240
 Because people tend, especially when they're used to parking right in front of a place, not to park anywhere unless it's in front of that place.

631
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:53,240
 They would often give up going on their location as opposed to.

632
00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:57,240
 I wonder if that, will that be used?

633
00:55:57,240 --> 00:56:03,240
 I guess my bigger question too is one of the best ways to, if we're conceiving a traffic problem and other things,

634
00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:08,240
 a great way to do it is to get people out of their cars and quit driving because cars are traffic.

635
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:12,240
 And so bike lanes would be one thing that would potentially help with this.

636
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:23,240
 And so I'm sure there's a solution here, but I would hate in a city like Denton where we just really don't have bike infrastructure hardly at all to totally lose it.

637
00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:27,240
 So that's what I'm curious about is what solutions do we have?

638
00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:30,240
 We can accommodate both to that end.

639
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:37,240
 The other thing I want to point out is this area is going to be completely updated through a parks project.

640
00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:44,240
 There's going to be tennis courts, there's going to be, there's one tiny building here, there's going to be additional buildings and facilities.

641
00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:47,240
 And they're going to have a parking lot internally.

642
00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:56,240
 But if parking is allowed on this particular segment, it would support overflow parking for events or tournaments or what's going on.

643
00:56:56,240 --> 00:57:09,240
 So that's the other angle to keep in mind that this would serve a purpose of attracting more people to this center as it grows.

644
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:13,240
 >> Okay, and there's parking on both sides of Hankel right now, right?

645
00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:15,240
 >> Right now, it's parking is only on one side.

646
00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:16,240
 >> Only on one side.

647
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:17,240
 >> Correct.

648
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,240
 >> It's on the west side.

649
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:20,240
 >> It's on the west side, correct.

650
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:21,240
 West side.

651
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,240
 >> And there's bike lanes on both sides there, right?

652
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:24,240
 >> Correct.

653
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:29,240
 >> Which of course we, I mean, I can't imagine most people know those are bike lanes based on the lines and everything.

654
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:30,240
 >> Right, right.

655
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,240
 >> It's very, I can see how it all would be confusing.

656
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:33,240
 Yeah, the striping is not very good.

657
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:38,240
 >> We'll make sure that it's done better once it's completed.

658
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,240
 >> What about, and I'm just, I don't know what the width of bike lanes have to be or what their requirement is there.

659
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:46,240
 Because I don't, I wouldn't expect this to be an especially high volume for biking.

660
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:56,240
 Is there the possibility where you have two-way bike lane going right next to each other, potentially with cars parked as a buffer between and then the two lanes on the other side?

661
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,240
 >> That's a possible option.

662
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:04,240
 One of the issues with two-way bike lanes is expectations at driveways and intersections.

663
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:08,240
 People don't usually look at, they only look one side or one direction.

664
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,240
 They don't look at the other direction.

665
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:18,240
 If you have a two-way, there's extensive signage, extensive education component associated.

666
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:22,240
 And then we have to make sure that it's done in a safe manner, so.

667
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:23,240
 >> Okay.

668
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:29,240
 >> Yes, it is a possibility, but it's much more involved.

669
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:35,240
 >> Because then you're also not, your bike, you're not going in the same direction as the traffic if you have it on both sides.

670
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:44,240
 [ Inaudible ]

671
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:48,240
 >> It seems like this is really still up in the air, right?

672
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:54,240
 I mean, the project, the possibility of the parking.

673
00:58:54,240 --> 00:59:03,240
 >> Yes, based on the input that we've received, we may go a different direction and we may not come back to request restriction of parking.

674
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:16,240
 >> Okay. But it also seems like if the Hinkle is going to have a major facelift with that development over there on the west side,

675
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:32,240
 that there could be some good creative ways to really protect the bike lane while leaving parking where it serves the residents on the south side.

676
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:38,240
 Just, again, be creative along the way, but also protect the bike lane well.

677
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,240
 >> Correct.

678
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:50,240
 >> Yeah, I think you have an option here to be creative and create a demonstration project for future bicycle infrastructure.

679
00:59:50,240 --> 01:00:03,240
 Like the bicycle lane by the curb with cars. >> With buffered car parking. >> With cars buffering or put in some bollards or whatever to make it protective.

680
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:10,240
 It's a good opportunity to do a demonstration project.

681
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:16,240
 >> Isn't there going to be, wasn't there going to be water mains put underneath there too?

682
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:32,240
 >> Correct. So it's a storm drain project. It's drainage. And then the streets will go in and redo the street pavements.

683
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:39,240
 >> Is there anything else you want to say? It sounds like we're just going to leave stuff for a while.

684
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:49,240
 >> Yes, and if there will be more public meetings, they will door hang. Yeah, leave your information with pre-tem.

685
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:59,240
 >> Yes. You can leave the information with Becky and then we can reach out to if there's anything happening in this area.

686
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:07,240
 >> Right. And you go into the record. So it will be official. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Okay.

687
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:23,240
 >> So the direction is, yeah. >> Just hang loose. >> Table the item, yes. >> Right. Is that an official direction we can take? Hang loose and wait for, wait for what's going to happen. Yeah.

688
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:36,240
 Okay. That brings us, I really do think that we could do something really good with that. And something that could serve as a template for future development.

689
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:51,240
 >> All right. That brings us to ETSC 18-053, which is staff reports, including the matrix.

690
01:01:51,240 --> 01:02:01,240
 >> Some of the items we've already brought forward and we want to take it off of the list. I want to quickly jump to the ones that we want to take off of the list.

691
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:09,240
 And then go into the ones that are here that we'll bring back in the next couple meetings.

692
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:15,240
 But number two, I think small area plan is almost wrapped up. That's what I heard in P and Z.

693
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:28,240
 >> The council has, it's been moved from council next week. >> Oh, okay. >> We were supposed to go to council. It was approved last night, six to zero at planning and zoning.

694
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:38,240
 We were supposed to go to council next Tuesday, but it has been withdrawn from the agenda. >> Okay. >> For next week. The hope will be we'll be back in January.

695
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:45,240
 >> Okay. But I did hear that there are several options as far as parking. They're creating parking zones and parking things. >> Yeah. Yeah.

696
01:02:45,240 --> 01:03:02,240
 >> So I think this Marietta Street in between Oak and Scripture is a perfect street for this particular plan to be implemented. So we can bring it back. But for now, I mean, it's been on the list for a while and we're closing the small area plan pretty much.

697
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:16,240
 >> Right. >> Okay. Old Alton Road. That was an issue where they were crossing Teasley across to get to Geyer High School. They were parking on Old Alton.

698
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:41,240
 A temporary city worked with TxDOT and installed a temporary signal and a pedestrian signal. And we're working closely with the ISD, Geyer principal, as well as TxDOT to monitor that operation for the pedestrians. So I would like to take this off. It seems it's been addressed.

699
01:03:41,240 --> 01:04:10,240
 McKinney sidewalk. That's number six. That one is already on a list of projects. It's 2018 design sidewalk. I'm sorry, 2018 sidewalk package, which is currently under design and which will be going to construction early, middle to around summertime, I would say, early spring, late spring, early summer.

700
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:30,240
 And we're wrapping up certain design elements. But yeah, we understand that this sidewalk on McKinney right across from here is on it and will be designed and implemented soon. So I want to, I think it's already going to happen, but we can bring it back. If nothing happens in the next six months, we can talk about it.

701
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:50,240
 So we'll be on you. But number, item number eight, we've talked about the, we brought an item forward and we went through discussion. Why, why not? How you want to take that out? And then those are the ones that I want to take out.

702
01:04:50,240 --> 01:05:19,240
 The station motors, number nine at McKinney. We have contacted enforcement. It is more on a community improvement services that they need to enforce it better. We are working on delineating the right of ways because it's, lines are blurred in that area where the actual property owner doesn't understand where their property line starts and they've striped it and marked it.

703
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:35,240
 It could be within a city right of way or so it's a bigger involved process to get through the right of way and understand who's owning what property instead of just going in and say, just remove your cars that are on the sidewalk. It's more of now we have to establish the right of way.

704
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:55,240
 So it's involved and it's taking a lot longer. So I'm just giving an update that that's where we're at. Temporary improvements to Hickory for bike lanes until the project is complete. I think we're looking at tabs or some other temporary paint.

705
01:05:55,240 --> 01:06:17,240
 The project is under design which should go to construction pretty soon in the next three to four months. So hopefully we can get there but with the winter months it becomes a tough job to paint anything. It doesn't really catch. There are wet days so it becomes a, are you throwing your money away kind of deal.

706
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:32,240
 So it's I think and part of that was lighting. Yes. So lights are coming and then that intersection at Hickory and Carol. I think we're there was a resident meeting with council members. I think you were there. Okay.

707
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:58,240
 Organize that one. You organized. Okay. And part of the response was there are four intersections that are right. In fact, they're really low in lighting. And what we want to do is look at, at a minimum, how can we improve the intensity of the bulbs. I mean, put a larger bulb in there instead of 250 watt. How about 400 watt. I mean, that's a start.

708
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:13,240
 And then we'll see if there are other locations we can install lights when the feasibility of, for example, Bell and Hickory what's the feasibility of using the corner where Weldon used to be, because that's the darkest corner.

709
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:33,240
 That corner and the right of way is so close and narrow that we can install a pole there. So we're looking at feasibility in the long term. But in the short term we want to intensify all the lighting and there are several locations within the downtown area and there are several locations on the university that we're getting questions about.

710
01:07:33,240 --> 01:08:02,240
 And I would, I would say that a lot of lighting is simply scale, because the lights are so high up on those poles that there's a lot of light up there. But there are, it's not pedestrian or bike or even really, you know, city vehicle city, you know, vehicular traffic scale, because you've got a lot of stuff going on up here, not as much going on down here.

711
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:14,240
 So, okay, we recently went to council with a light study. It was a feasibility for light street lighting along us 380.

712
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:37,240
 It was between I-35 and Mayhill, a 5.4 mile stretch, and we looked at how can we provide continuous lighting, and what are the, what's there today, and what needs to be there. And that's the study that was presented to council, the direction we received was to move forward with design, which is close to half a million dollars.

713
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:44,240
 So we can bring that item and present it to you to understand what are we doing. So I'll bring that item.

714
01:08:44,240 --> 01:09:13,240
 If I can just briefly talk about why that meeting commenced real quickly, and I'd just also like to, on the record, give a lot of props to Keely Briggs, District 2, and Gerard Hutzabat, District 1, who met on a whim when, it basically came after concern. We had a citizen hit, crossing the street, hit and run. But anyone who's spent much time crossing that intersection at Carroll and Hickory knows it's dangerous, and there's a lot of pedestrian activity. There should be. It's between the square and UNT. We should want more than even there is.

715
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:30,240
 And so we brainstormed ways to make it safer. It is a really constructive meeting with a lot of ideas about possibilities. And a lot of things, you know, are good planning. And so it was really good. But we basically identified two areas as being really problematic for pedestrians that we actually control still.

716
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:56,240
 And that was from Oak to Mulberry on Carroll as being an area that how can we slow down traffic on those two basically two blocks where you're going to have way more pedestrians than the rest of that road and then from and then over by DCTA basically from you could probably from Mulberry to McKinney even there about slowing those two areas.

717
01:09:56,240 --> 01:10:07,240
 So it was a really productive discussion. It was great. And I hope we can help in that. So I know that I think they wanted us to mention that in the meeting that they're working on that too.

718
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:10,240
 Yes. Thank you for organizing that one.

719
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:23,240
 Yeah, I always think that pedestrians and I cross at Hickory if I'm in my office and I come downtown for you to the development center for meeting. It's a quick 13 minute walk.

720
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:33,240
 But I always think that because of all the infrastructure at those cross at those crossings pedestrian pedestrians look out of scale.

721
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:55,240
 They look tiny. And so I understand that part of it is absolutely street with but I think there could be a lot of ways that we could start bringing it down so that we see things and we see people because otherwise everything that is so, you know, so tall.

722
01:10:55,240 --> 01:11:09,240
 And then there's anybody people stand in there and you know when I'm standing there how tiny I must look. But if there are ways to start just bringing streetlights down bring you know more trees if possible.

723
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:16,240
 We, we had one of the people that came was a we two librarians come and they're tremendous researchers if you didn't know.

724
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:29,240
 And so one of the librarians she's at TWU she really prepared like did research and prepared an excellent report of options. That's just really helpful and imagining possibilities and so I'm not going to go over all those because that would take a while, but it's really incredible.

725
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:37,240
 It's probably like seven eight options good options to slow down traffic in those those blocks. So I hope we can move on those.

726
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:50,240
 So we are working on the rest of the items and we'll slowly bring these back as they become or agendize them so that we can have a bigger discussion or give you a quick update that will fix this or not fix this or why.

727
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:57,240
 So if there are any other items you want to add that's I was gonna make one clarification on seven.

728
01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:08,240
 This is how long these things take right so that sushi business went out of business a while ago I'm sure everyone knows where that is but that's where yes it's just off of where the is it what's the breakfast place their Park Hill.

729
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:12,240
 I know you don't talk about yeah is it something like that.

730
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:29,240
 Yeah. So okay I just want to make sure you knew because that I know exactly what the location is and what we're working on that one is we're trying to look at designing and implementing 88 compliant Rams and we're conducting an 88 transition plan.

731
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:55,240
 It will be part of that because that plan will actually identify the cost and prioritize areas where it's highly used by and highly highly pedestrian active areas so that would give us enough ammunition if you may to move to council and say hey these are the areas we really need to focus on and need money for.

732
01:12:55,240 --> 01:13:00,240
 So that's where we're at.

733
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:18,240
 For the for the new one I have one addition and one quick question. So the addition is a very almost the exact same thing as that one by the formerly by the sushi place where we're just mentioned across the street from Dusty's if you know where Dusty's is on.

734
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:35,240
 Yes it's on Elm right across the streets exact same situation short little island with no you know basically everything else around it you could get around on a wheelchair but you would literally just have to stop and roll into the street to get around it so it's the same situation.

735
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:49,240
 Very simple. I don't think but so it's directly across the street from Dusty's is where you can see that. And then one question Keely Briggs actually actually asked me to bring this up we talked about this on the square.

736
01:13:49,240 --> 01:14:12,240
 Right now I think you have to press the button to do it. I've really noticed real delays like I've sat through two lights I walked up and maybe I pressed it right right before right before and I've been sitting through like two light cycles you're just standing there forever as pedestrian why cars are going and so I don't know if it's something we could look at she asked about even with that is there a possibility of it being more automatic or something so she wanted me to bring that up.

737
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:35,240
 So, yes she's brought that up. We're looking into actual ADA compliance laws because we, when we upgraded the intersections we made them a compliant meaning a visually impaired person comes up to comes up to the intersection, and he does not know which direction is going.

738
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:54,240
 So, it becomes a hassle for that particular person to figure it out if all the directions are moving all the time, and figure out which direction to cross so ADA compliance, make sure that once you hit the button the sound starts and you start receiving sound from the other end.

739
01:14:54,240 --> 01:15:10,240
 And that's why so we're trying to find out if there is a middle ground where it can activate when an ADA or visually impaired person walks in, it can activate and do the whole audio thing.

740
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:28,240
 At the same time it can go into a continuous pedestrian place so we're finding out if by doing that, are we not, are we compliant or not compliant so we've asked the question once we find out well, I'll let everyone.

741
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:46,240
 Anybody else have anything one. I have a question I've been here on a short time so maybe this is probably already come up but I'm curious. When you're on a bike, and you come up to an intersection, and there's no one else around, I often rely on automobiles to trigger the signal for me.

742
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:58,240
 So, is there, isn't there something that can help along that line. Yes, some of the older signals in the in and around the unit area that don't have it yet.

743
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:15,240
 But the new detection system on all the intersections that we're now replacing picks up bike is not the loop based it's not the in pavement, but these are more of radar base so it, it just catches any movement it's motion based.

744
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:27,240
 So when you come in it doesn't matter the size is motion, and then there is a camera also associated with it so yes new intersections will catch a bike or smart smaller vehicle.

745
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:49,240
 The older ones were in the process slowly replacing them, but it's going to take a while to get all of the intersections. Good to know. Thanks. Have you ever jumped up and down.

746
01:16:49,240 --> 01:17:02,240
 We're getting off balance here, simply because pre temp took off a bunch. Keep the balance. Keep the balance, but I'll add on more.

747
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:13,240
 Well as I observed a significant traffic accident at Old North University today. Okay. I was wondering how the report from the police is coming.

748
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:20,240
 I haven't today. Today's accident. Yeah, they had an accident this afternoon. It was pretty, pretty good one.

749
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:35,240
 I have not seen the report, but I can request it and provide a response as to what was the cause and what happened. I can provide that. Well, I'm not necessarily interested in that particular one, but you know we're wanting to get a report so that we can look at.

750
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:50,240
 Yes, all the areas that are being the type of accidents where they're occurring. Correct. If there's anything we can help with. So I've asked PD and one of the real issues with the way they have set it up.

751
01:17:50,240 --> 01:18:11,240
 Their reports are not easily. They're scanned in. So you can't really search them as far as, okay, what type of accident, what really caused it. So someone really has to go in and create a report. Okay, this is what happened. So I have asked for an annual report or a incident location where there are more incidents.

752
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:34,240
 But when I got the information back, it didn't come with, what was the cause. So it's hard to come up with a solution if we don't know what is the cause or what type of accidents are happening. Are they broadsided? Are they head on collisions? Are they people failing to yield or people under influence?

753
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:47,240
 So we don't know the details when we get there. So I'm working with PD to get better information. That's why it's on the matrix, but I understand they're having some troubles with setting up the software.

754
01:18:47,240 --> 01:19:06,240
 Once we have a report, I'll get an annual last, at least a year of data as far as what are the most, what are the locations where the accidents are very frequent. I think highest on the list was 380 at 35.

755
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:18,240
 And I think there's one on loop 288. So there were a couple on loop 288 actually. So those have high volumes and obviously they have high accident rates.

756
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:38,240
 Will this be sorted by motor vehicle, pedestrian, bicycle? Yes, exactly. So mostly I'm focusing on pedestrian and bicycle accidents. That way we start with that because those are most fatal or injury oriented ones.

757
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:54,240
 Okay, anybody else have anything? And with that, we will adjourn at 6.52. And that's it. See everybody in January.