1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,900 good morning city of didn't meeting agenda for the mobility committee and 2 00:00:06,900 --> 00:00:13,360 after the on Wednesday January 25th 10 a.m. after determining that a quorum is 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:17,320 present the mobility committee of the city of didn't is going to convene in a 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:23,600 regular meeting today in the council work session room and we are going to 5 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:29,120 start with the following items that will be considered first item citizens 6 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:36,240 comment on the agenda items no there's no one to comment on the agenda items 7 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:44,520 when the number two in the items for individual consideration MC 2 3 - 0 0 1 8 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:53,800 consider approval of the minutes of October 26 2022 and second so we are in 9 00:00:53,800 --> 00:01:04,120 agreement and that passes B MC 2 3 0 0 3 receive a report and hold a discussion 10 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,960 regarding the city of didn't transportation mobility project status 11 00:01:07,960 --> 00:01:10,400 report 12 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:24,080 perfect timing thank you councilmember bird we have John pollster here from 13 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:30,680 innovative transportation solutions to present today how was everybody doing 14 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:40,040 great Merry Christmas okay let's roll through skip the summary sheet for now 15 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:48,600 all right so I'm gonna put down just a little bit here so 2181 I don't know if 16 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:53,120 y'all driven over there lately but the road is essentially I'm gonna leave it 17 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,680 on the map essentially open to traffic and substantially complete the March 18 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:07,480 time frame that you see there is for what the tech stock calls some punch out 19 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:13,760 final walk through some pavement markings just making sure the sod done 20 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:21,520 right but if you drive there it's gonna that's what it looks like hopefully for 21 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:28,280 another 20 25 years we don't do it again okay so that's good and I don't know 22 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,200 what y'all feelings are but I don't think anybody at the county's interested 23 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,840 in having like a ribbon cutting or anything like that because they don't 24 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:41,380 want to draw the attention to the fact that it took so long to get done okay 35 25 00:02:41,380 --> 00:02:48,640 Mayhill project this is a currently we have about 95 million dollars on the job 26 00:02:48,640 --> 00:02:55,520 it's gonna it's about 103 now we are think we'll have it ready to let by the 27 00:02:55,520 --> 00:03:00,720 end of this year there's utilities that are that are still continuing to be 28 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:06,520 moved the let date you see is June of 2025 that was when we first got the 29 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:11,880 money the category two funds in the 10-year plan that's the year they put it 30 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:19,240 in so we met with the district I think earlier this month and if we get the 31 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:26,480 project ready in December they can move the project up to that fiscal year I 32 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:31,360 mean to this yeah that it'll be next fiscal year for construction and by the 33 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:38,000 time we get there we'll have the dollar amount either adjusted to be accurate or 34 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:42,920 we'll have the additional funds for the project so when you look at the status 35 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:50,440 report mostly utilities or what we're working on and we're on track for a 36 00:03:50,440 --> 00:04:00,640 December completion of all the utilities there's a lot of them okay then you get 37 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:13,400 to our 35 merge project this project is going to be let in November of this year 38 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:25,200 the funding is we're about a hundred fifty million short but when you look at 39 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:29,080 the next project you'll see that it's about a hundred and seventy over and 40 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:35,360 it's going to be a paper chase thing we got to do because that money is in an 41 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:41,280 out year this money is in this year and so by the time we get to November we'll 42 00:04:41,280 --> 00:04:48,840 have all that worked out and this is the two merges all the way up to 77 and it's 43 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:52,920 the widening of six lanes and adding all of the frontage roads and the braided 44 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:59,520 ramps to solve the issues between the merge and 380 45 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:08,720 yes when I look at the yellow coming down both 35 and 35 W is that when you 46 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,880 say frontage roads because there's no frontage roads there now at least 47 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:18,080 correct are they adding frontage roads though the project includes frontage 48 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:26,520 roads and going to six lanes of main lanes and here we're also doing braided 49 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:31,880 ramps between the merge and 380 which is where the entrance and the exit are in 50 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:38,000 the same location typically the exits at grade and the entrance is elevated to go 51 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:50,280 over that way you don't impact any of the Billy come on man come on Billy so 52 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:54,160 how far down are the frontage roads coming from this because I mean there's 53 00:05:54,160 --> 00:06:00,640 no frontage how they stop north of the railroad tracks because what's north of 54 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:06,200 the railroad tracks okay I'm trying to because I live over in that area I'm 55 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:12,120 trying to figure out where 35 W yeah I'm sorry 35 W coming down 35 there's a 56 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:18,400 railroad what there's an area that because of the lack of developable land 57 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:25,600 it stops just north of where there's no developable opportunity so it's right 58 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:31,680 around a railroad track where that is okay all right okay good thank you I 59 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:37,400 wanted to make a comment about that area as well but this is what I've 60 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:47,680 experienced trying to get the apogee center apogee from going south on 35 W 61 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:56,760 that's quite a task to get off at the right area and to find the the ramp to 62 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:01,880 go back down towards oak street is that oak a body break sorry are you saying 63 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:06,440 you're traveling south on 35 right you're on 35 W and I want to turn back 64 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,440 around and go north I know I don't want to turn I want to go to apogee stadium 65 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:15,520 and so I finally I've gotten lost doing that well I've gotten turned around 66 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:22,320 doing that and found myself in the industrial area because there's no sign 67 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:29,440 that says exit here for apogee stadium literally yeah there there won't be a 68 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:35,560 sign that says exit for apogee stadium because they don't sign those types of 69 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:41,760 things on a on a state facility okay so they're like if you go out on 121 out to 70 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,160 the colony and you see Nebraska furniture there there's a sign says 71 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:50,480 Nebraska furniture that's because it says Nebraska furniture Boulevard so the 72 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:55,040 name of the road is Nebraska furniture okay so they don't they don't give you 73 00:07:55,040 --> 00:08:00,960 green signs for stuff like that okay well I after maybe three or four times 74 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:06,100 kind of getting turned around because I'm looking for oak I guess West Oak 75 00:08:06,100 --> 00:08:11,480 Street or Oak Street I don't know what I'm looking for but I know that what I 76 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:19,480 found out was that I needed to exit and then go up to a ramp but that's not 77 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:25,600 Bonnie Bray that's in some kind of industrial area 15 15 and that's and 78 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:30,160 then you bridge over back right yeah that's and so if you make the mistake of 79 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:35,800 going to Cavender's you can't get back south on 35 V without going 35 W up on 80 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:40,440 15 15 come back over right and then come around on a frontage road that's but 81 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:46,600 that'll all change when we have the braids okay for the ultimate improvements 82 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,240 it'll be and then remember we're also doing something to Bonnie Bray whether 83 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:55,600 we're flipping okay some stuff there too so it should be after we break it all 84 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,360 up and tear it all up and fix it it should be better okay well looking 85 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:08,480 forward to that and then speaking of this this is the northern segment from 86 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,480 three from 77 all the way up to the county line and again you'll see that 87 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:20,120 it's got almost 800 million attached to it and it's we only need about 660 so 88 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,960 we're gonna work on these two projects to balance them out but again if you see 89 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:33,520 these are in out years years so not only we had to move it up for for this job we 90 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,240 need to move it up for the previous job so we're fairly confident that we'll get 91 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:43,440 that done through the UTP process and again it's all critical path items are 92 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,400 just all the utilities that we're moving at this point all the right always 93 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:57,240 acquired okay so your frontage roads this is there they're stopping at 24 49 94 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:02,080 going north because when they do the ultimate 35 W that they'll pick up that 95 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:08,560 section between 24 49 and north of the rural tract the good news was in the 96 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:12,160 last UTP it was had zero dollars on it and we were able to get a hundred and 97 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:21,000 eighty eight million dollars in category 12 funds but then the economy did what 98 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:28,640 it did and now that estimate is at 321 million so we are working to see 99 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:36,640 whether we can get additional funds or just go ahead and find certain areas that 100 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:42,440 we can do the frontage roads on so we're we got some work to do on this one but 101 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,960 we got a little bit of time because it's not even going to be ready to let till 102 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:54,880 December of next year so we got we got about two years to do stuff and we're in 103 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:59,600 the process of acquiring the right away and we should have the right away 104 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:05,200 completed by summer which would then allow us to move into the utility 105 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:14,600 relocations your 380 377 this is a section between the loop and 377 north 106 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:20,960 we are anticipating this project being done at the end of this year and we just 107 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:25,840 had our one of our pavement phase two 108 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:37,280 configurations are just happened and we are now shifting the lanes and then 109 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,120 we're doing that I think it's the south bounce the north bounce out we did the 110 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:44,520 we did the 10-foot shared path on the north side while we were doing the south 111 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:49,000 side now we're flipping the phase and now we're going to be building the north 112 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:54,520 side and then the south side sidewalk 113 00:11:54,520 --> 00:12:02,160 easy for me to say okay then yeah this is the 288 West this is the project on 114 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:08,720 the on the west side and it is the the dollar amount we're talking about their 115 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:14,120 190 million that we're chasing for this project includes we've upgraded the 116 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:21,200 intent on this road before we were just going to do the southbound frontage road 117 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:28,520 but that 190 that we're chasing builds both frontage roads in both directions 118 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,800 so 100% of the right away will be acquired and we'll put the frontage 119 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:39,360 roads where they belong and they will build the grade separation 380 and over 120 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:49,720 the railroad track in this phase and then the northern section we're adding 121 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:56,200 frontage roads to look 288 we are we're really working in this area here we're 122 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:00,520 going to adjust your map because that and that looks like we're going cross 123 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:05,360 country to get to 380 but we're really working pretty close and to where they 124 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:10,240 tie together and the intent is ultimately 380 is going to be a freeway 125 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:16,520 both in your mobility plan county's mobility plan and the state's intent so 126 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:21,000 when it comes to the to city of Denton we're going to want the the freeway 127 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:27,280 traffic to go up onto the section of 288 that's a freeway to hit 35 and then on 128 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:34,240 around to 380 so that at that point you can take 380 through Denton and make it 129 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,520 a no truck route they'll have to go around they can't if they're cutting 130 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:41,600 through they got to go around if they're coming to deliver then they can come in 131 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:48,920 but we're gonna work on this this a little bit better right here lots of 132 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:56,040 development out there so Bonnie Bray segment 7 this is the this is basically 133 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:01,960 the next once the city and the county do all their partnering with cog to get it 134 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:08,840 up to 77 then text that and cog take it from there and tie this into the loop so 135 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:14,440 when I go back up here when we're doing this project you'll see that loop 288 136 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:21,160 and it used to be Pacheco Cove now it's Westwood that design work and 137 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:28,440 environmental clearance includes this section of Bonnie Bray and the frontage 138 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:33,980 road so this is not showing you on us is an individual project because it's 139 00:14:33,980 --> 00:14:42,120 segment 7 of your Bonnie Bray but it's actually included and the loop 288 North 140 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:51,600 connector project and then 1515 this is where you were talking about what happens 141 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:56,320 is you come down you come up this ramp and then you hit here and they have to 142 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:00,940 come across and you come down into this area where we're working on all this 143 00:15:00,940 --> 00:15:09,120 with Bonnie Bray 1515 and the merge project and again we're looking at a 144 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:18,040 October 24 ready to let date we're short about 46 million dollars but we'll get 145 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:27,000 there and utilities are or are part of the critical path item on this project 146 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:34,160 1173 we've got half working on that and we are going to reduce the limits 147 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:39,560 officially to just east of the railroad tracks because crumb proper does not want 148 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:44,200 us to come in to all the way to 156 because it impacts a lot of their 149 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:49,800 historical facilities and if we're not going to go into Old Town then we're not 150 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:55,040 going to mess with the railroad either so we'll stop it early they're advancing 151 00:15:55,040 --> 00:16:04,480 all of the work on the eastern portion of 1173 so as the merged job rolls out 152 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:20,160 we can add this part of 1173 to 35 job yeah where is that in reference that is 153 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:28,600 up at that Milam you know it's not cancer it's Milam is that that's north 154 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:33,320 of here north okay got you that's up here okay yeah so the reason I know it's 155 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,760 Milam is because that's where the outer loop hits 35 okay and we had to 156 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,680 reconfigure you the Milam interchange two reasons one for the direct connects 157 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:46,160 for the outer loop too because that's where the counties got their land for 158 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:55,760 the expo do we know if you know because Universal Studios went to Frisco do we 159 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,920 know if we ever had any conversations with them about that land up north I 160 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:06,920 don't know that I don't but a lot of the infrastructure for that is being paid 161 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:14,320 for by the county yeah just saying that's Collin County I think yeah but 162 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:18,000 there's there's a lot of infrastructure there that we had to do yeah so the 163 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:29,880 outer loop moving on okay so here ties here at Milam and that part of 35 is 164 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:34,980 already environmentally cleared so we generally know we have to hit there the 165 00:17:34,980 --> 00:17:38,760 rest of this is consistent with your thoroughfare plan which means it's 166 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:45,600 consistent with the counties because we match the city we have to cross the 167 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:51,600 green belt where the core tells us to which is at 428 and what if you ask him 168 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,280 they're going oh no we're not telling you where to go you just got to go and 169 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,440 do all your analysis or whatever but what they tell you probably is is if you 170 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:07,440 go anywhere before 28 we're gonna make it impossible so I say that on the 171 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,600 record because when I say that it has to cross at 428 because that's what the 172 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,600 core says and then somebody contacts the core the quarter so no no we're fair-minded 173 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:21,520 and open we're willing to look at all options and then I get called all kinds 174 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:28,680 of things and they said well let's go up over the dam working with Aubrey Aubrey 175 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:34,040 has a I don't know what you call it an angel investor or whatever there's a big 176 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:40,680 landowner out there the venable ranch folks and anytime anything impacts the 177 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,960 alignment that's on our thoroughfare plan and Albert's thoroughfare plan he 178 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:50,240 goes out and buys the land so we're we're put it although this is where all a lot 179 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:56,000 of activities going on we we've got some protection there and then it ties in at 180 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:03,720 the county line where at where Collin County brings it if you go drive the new 181 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:09,440 frontage road for the DNT you can go all the way into Grayson County now it ties 182 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,560 in you'll see there's a sign on the Collin County side for the road that 183 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:18,320 comes to that frontage road that says outer loop so that's we have to hit 184 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:23,640 there and the reason you know we're saying we need this and everybody knows 185 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:29,800 is that when Texas I did their study on 380 to talk about a freeway they 186 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:34,480 communicated through their demographic studies that the section between the Toll 187 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:43,520 Road the outer loop 377 and 380 in this little area the number of planned 188 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:49,160 developments over the next 10 years will put 90,000 people in that little square 189 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:53,960 and that's the size of Richardson when we went to meet with pilot point because 190 00:19:53,960 --> 00:20:00,280 have ETJ somewhere in here for the outer loop pilot point has 13 developments 191 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:05,640 going on in pilot point over the next three years and when those three 192 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,040 developments 13 developments are done in the next three years they'll go from 193 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:16,880 about 5200 to 71,000 so we're behind the curve is what we're saying on the outer 194 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:24,840 loop and now I'm going to turn over did you say pilot point would go from 5,000 195 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:31,800 today 70 three or four years 71,000 yeah which is not unprecedented because if 196 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:38,480 you remember when I started working for the county in 90 in my this capacity of 197 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:47,200 96 Frisco is only about 7,000 right yeah what going on out there 198 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:57,760 very interesting okay I call it tragic but very tragic it's job security are 199 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:14,320 you gonna do almost there we go okay if I could get the mic to turn on of course 200 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:18,280 I will so Elmond Lucas I know we've talked a lot about you've seen some 201 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:23,560 updates in the Friday reports so we have coordinated with textile given all of our 202 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:28,240 comments back to them on the southern section which is from basically south of 203 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:33,160 the courthouse to Eagle including Eagle and they are now taking that project 204 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:38,860 forward to Austin to get the approvals and work through that process so once we 205 00:21:38,860 --> 00:21:42,000 have that information back then of course I'll come and share that with you 206 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:47,320 and we did go back and forth with them on an overall roadway cross-section and 207 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:55,600 we were able to explain the need for the overall and not to play words from last 208 00:21:55,600 --> 00:22:01,560 night but on the base the overall roadways so you know a lot of our 209 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,040 conversations was making sure that the foundation that the roadways going to be 210 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,080 built on really meets the city standard so we were able to work through that with 211 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,440 them also include some curb Danny Kramer and his team worked through and walk 212 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:19,040 that to make sure that we have curb and gutter replaced in those areas and so we 213 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:23,360 feel very comfortable with what we are taking forward and now a textile is 214 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:28,440 taking that as the next step once it comes back from Austin and we're all in 215 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,240 alignment and we are going to be working on that agreement that I mentioned I'd 216 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:37,360 be bringing forward as you're aware north of the courthouse all the way to 217 00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:42,840 380 and a few little side roads so just so you're aware some of the construction 218 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:48,200 will happen for utility specifically you know around the courthouse because 219 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:53,160 there's a lot of areas through there that we don't want to disturb but what I 220 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:58,760 will explain to you is our goal is to have that project and and John worked 221 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:03,160 with us on the Denton County trip that was the county bond program y'all are 222 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:09,160 all aware that was approved and so that is going to include the roadway and then 223 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,920 some of the drainage components utility components will be paid for by the city 224 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:19,600 of Denton and then once all of that is completed we'll be taking over the the 225 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:25,120 goal is to take over Elman Locust from 380 to Eagle and so I know we've talked 226 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:29,720 a little bit that in a recent council meeting so it's moving right along John 227 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,380 did tell us that we're gonna be a part of that first batch of money that was 228 00:23:33,380 --> 00:23:38,960 received from the county so we can work through getting the design completed 229 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,880 we're gonna have some right-of-way acquisition and then move through with 230 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:47,600 the construction and one thing I would mention too is some of this area you see 231 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,800 Oakland Street that's one that came up in the bond package last night so there 232 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:56,680 are a lot of things going on in this area including north of 380 so I'm very 233 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:01,280 pleased with where we're headed and very thankful for the help that the county's 234 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,000 given us and then techs not really working with us hand-in-hand to agree to 235 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,120 an overall cross-section that is something the city can be comfortable 236 00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:14,840 with taking over so that's Elman Locust I did want to mention John back on 380 237 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:19,760 when you were on that slide particularly talking about a truck route I know it 238 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:24,480 was in a recent Friday report it is not currently a truck route to drive through 239 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:30,840 the center of town you're saying it is you have them restricted already that's 240 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:36,120 correct so they had to go around now if they're delivering as you mentioned so 241 00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:41,960 but I do think it is a you know the goal city's goal to make sure that we're 242 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,320 providing as you're aware and John knows this that there's a lot and he really 243 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,320 helped us with this there's a lot of development activity that wants to happen 244 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,640 in this particular area and the developers that come through would have 245 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,360 to build the frontage roads themselves because we won't allow the direct 246 00:24:58,360 --> 00:25:02,080 connection to a controlled access freeway because they're going 60 miles 247 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,200 per hour on this roadway so we really appreciate John and we've been working 248 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:11,840 with mr. Schluter with Westwood monthly we actually have some alignments and 249 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,840 some exhibits that we've sat down and gone over as a team actually Monday of 250 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,720 this week and they're going to be sharing with our utilities teams because 251 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:25,440 there's already infrastructure out there large DME infrastructure and also a 252 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,280 Sherman Drive is the main the route from the Ray Roberts to get the water line 253 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,160 the transmission line all the way into town so we're working through those 254 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,960 things and then of course the connection that at Bonnie Bray too is another area 255 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,480 there is one section throughout this corridor we're currently working on 256 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,320 that's a pretty tight section where there's homes that are built almost 257 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:50,480 exactly to the right of way and so those meetings are ongoing and those also 258 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,440 involve our development services team their transportation planning team so 259 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:59,480 really excited about this project also moving forward so we appreciate John's 260 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:05,320 assistance with that and the county's assistance I have a question 261 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:11,720 speaking of the specs for the for the roadway down here on Locust and in this 262 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:19,000 area here is that going to be the same specs for what's north of the square or 263 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:25,240 is it something's going to change that's gonna cause in our minds as citizens a 264 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:31,760 delay so anytime that we do a design of a roadway there is an overall study 265 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:37,400 that's done to look at the actual soil condition to make the determination so 266 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:42,460 we do have a standard city spec that says thou shalt build X or you can have 267 00:26:42,460 --> 00:26:45,880 an engineering design that's actually done where you actually take pavement 268 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:51,160 cores look at what the existing you know soil type is in those areas and then 269 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,560 receive that engineering recommendation so until we have that information I 270 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,520 don't know what the cross-section is going to look like unless we were to 271 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,200 use the city standard but it's our recommendation that we would actually go 272 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:07,380 through do the evaluation and then from there be able to determine exactly what 273 00:27:07,380 --> 00:27:12,080 cross-section so you know I would think it would probably be something similar 274 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,960 to what we see on the south side but until we have that actual engineering 275 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,920 design with those soil samples we won't know that answer in the other question 276 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:26,680 in regards to crossing over into the downtown area I understand that the 277 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:32,120 crosswalks are getting some upgrades and changes absolutely how is this going to 278 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:36,600 affect that we're gonna take it up and put it back down or no and the majority 279 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,880 of the we don't anticipate doing that because they're out there working right 280 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,480 now Trevor can speak to that but they're out there constructing right now so our 281 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:50,800 anticipation would be that we minimally impact as best we can anything through 282 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,440 the downtown and that's why I mentioned the majority of the utilities in that 283 00:27:54,440 --> 00:28:01,880 area actually on the backside so on Austin you know on McKinney so or even a 284 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:06,320 block up Cedar etc so they're all almost on the backside of there where we would 285 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,480 make those improvements so but our goal would be to minimally interrupt anything 286 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:16,080 we've just finished completing okay thank you so I think the next is the 287 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:22,160 acronyms I will tell you that we are going to add another page because I get 288 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,920 questions about the categories for funding for state roads all the time 289 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:31,160 there's 12 of them and so we'll just put another page that says text up funding 290 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:40,160 categories and one three twelve wisdom but other than that any questions thank 291 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:45,080 you John do you have any questions thank you thank you so much thank you one 292 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:50,880 thing I just wanted to highlight and John spoke to it on his presentation city 293 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,000 staff is actually Trevor's team is actually sitting down with Brett's team 294 00:28:55,000 --> 00:29:00,560 and working through the FM 1515 alignment we do have their plans adequate in that 295 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:05,160 area so we're looking at those corridors and working with text out on that that's 296 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:12,480 ongoing same with the loop 288 frontage roads there's a lot of coordination 297 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,800 effort so all the projects that you're seeing that John's presenting on we're 298 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,400 either managing or working through the planning process of with all of our 299 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,640 improvements so there's a lot of coordination going on with with John and 300 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,960 with textile it so not only John from the representative he does for the city but 301 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,120 also from the county representation so thank you thank you very much 302 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,840 absolutely any there's not any more questions comments or concerns about 303 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:48,480 that we'll move on to see my John MC 2 2 0 3 7 receive a report hold discussion 304 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:55,680 or approve mobility committee annual 2023 meeting schedule absolutely so thank 305 00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:02,080 you very much as you can tell we typically meet on a Wednesday I know 306 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,720 we've moved the meeting to 10 a.m. and so what we wanted to do today is bring 307 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:12,440 forward the 2023 calendar our goal is to always try to look at spring break or 308 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,760 anything else that we know that's happening and so what you'll see is the 309 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:20,120 calendar Logan's currently put together is the fourth Wednesday of every month 310 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:25,200 at 10 a.m. obviously if there's not something to report on or we have a 311 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:30,720 conflict we'll work through that but we've tried our best to miss all of the 312 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:36,160 holidays or any of the the holiday weeks I know the week of December 20th being 313 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,280 that that's a holiday week there might be the decision like there was this year 314 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,280 not to meet but it just depends on the topics but what our goal with today is is 315 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,800 to really work through and make sure there aren't any questions or concerns 316 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:53,000 and try to approve this calendar so that we can move forward I will note that on 317 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:59,300 March 23rd I do know that several of you will be leaving on March 21st to go 318 00:30:59,300 --> 00:31:03,800 down for another meeting so the March 23rd meeting might be one that we want 319 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,800 to either look at or look at canceling the week of the 13th through the 17th is 320 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,840 actually spring break so you know if you would like to move to the 29th we can 321 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,560 evaluate that but I do believe I know we've changed the council meeting so 322 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:22,400 that you can leave and get out of town on the 21st as fast as you can so I know 323 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,000 you will be gone on the 22nd so that's the only one I would want to mention is 324 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:31,480 whether we would like to skip the month of March or move to the 29th and so if 325 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:37,560 we want to move to the 29th we'll definitely check with Billy and also the 326 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,880 city secretary's office to make sure this room is available and that we can 327 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:46,820 broadcast from here but I just wanted to bring that up question I've got since 328 00:31:46,820 --> 00:31:50,720 the year started I've got a meeting on Wednesdays just it's every other 329 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,880 Wednesday and I'm gonna see if I can't change the interval of the ever other 330 00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,440 Wednesday because right now it's landing on one of the Wednesdays I mean two 331 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,560 week two Wednesdays out of month for this place and then I've got it and it 332 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:08,160 lands on the same one so that meeting ends at 11 so when did we change it to 333 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:17,880 10 what was it before 9 okay let me talk with them and see if I can't get it on a 334 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,840 different cycle because we all gotta do skip a Wednesday and then we're off of 335 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,800 this cycle so let me let me check on that first sure and and if there's 336 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,400 anything that we would like to do we can obviously revisit bringing it back I 337 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:35,840 know we moved to 10 I think mid-year last year Logan may know that 338 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:45,080 specifically see her trying to unmute I got it yes we moved probably September 339 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:50,080 I believe was when we changed it and I can always check and see if the rooms 340 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,440 available at different time or no let me see if okay let me check my other thing 341 00:32:54,440 --> 00:33:01,440 first yeah this is well-established let me let me check that first and I don't 342 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:07,840 know if this is off posting somebody can let me know so I'm not sure how to even 343 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:15,720 say this so when we get John's reports John's reports about 30 35 minutes it 344 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,280 seems like a lot of it is sort of the same stuff you know and some of the 345 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:24,560 stuff that's doesn't even have to I mean it has to do with the region so I guess 346 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,480 as I'm sitting here sometimes I'm thinking we don't make any decisions in 347 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,720 here we don't have so it would be nice if some have something's changed to get 348 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,040 it but if not then that's just sort of my thought just just the efficiency of 349 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,560 the meeting that doesn't matter to me I'm only one of two but it's like okay if 350 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:47,960 it's the same stuff or maybe could just give go-through faster absolutely does 351 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,560 that make sense yeah it's like okay all right no I completely understand 352 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,240 because I sat through the same report last week at a meeting that text so I 353 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,720 see it multiple times - one of the things we've done recently with DCTA is make 354 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,360 sure that when they give an update it might be off cycle of when you just 355 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:09,640 heard the same thing at council right so I'm happy to use our discretion and if 356 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:14,600 there's a major up late maybe he comes just quarterly instead of every month so 357 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:19,320 that you know or every other month so if there's a major update and I think that 358 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:24,480 does make a lot of sense he's doing you know he's running through them I think 359 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:30,440 probably as fast as he possibly can but I do think that that's definitely 360 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,640 something we can look at and I don't have a concern with that at all if we 361 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:38,480 were to look at either every other month or quarterly or as needed is that 362 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,680 something that or if there's a major update is that something you'd be more 363 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,920 interested in and I can't because I didn't look at the back of this but this 364 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,280 his report included in the backup that we get yes sir it shows so if there's 365 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,640 questions you know if we see something or there can be a note of hey this is a 366 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,680 major thing I mean and it's not I'm not trying to cut him off or cut them but 367 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,040 it's like okay I mean because a lot of the stuff we heard today we've already 368 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:11,360 heard in council great we're all posting it's close okay I know that we're trying 369 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,840 to get to actually the scheduling so I think that conversation maybe on an 370 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,960 agenda that maybe the next one to talk about that or the chair can talk with 371 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,840 you about it just see if there's something that we can add it to the 372 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,840 staff report for next time yeah it's a staff report okay I mean it's a 373 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,640 conversation to be had yeah for sure no that's perfect and I think to your point 374 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,040 you were working on it from a scheduling standpoint but definitely 375 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,360 we'll add it to the staff report for a future update and I think as far as the 376 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:42,120 schedule before you let's leave it I'll work on my end I think I can get mine 377 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,880 switched okay not a conflict that's wonderful and I think on the March 378 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,600 meeting would you like to try to go to the 29th do that okay it's a veil this 379 00:35:50,600 --> 00:36:08,180 room's available then I just knew because of the council meeting being 380 00:36:08,180 --> 00:36:11,400 changed to a lunch meeting that day in their updates that there was something 381 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:16,160 happening so I'm sorry it's gonna be for didn't county days Oh didn't county 382 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:22,400 days already so what we will do is update to the 29th for March and then we 383 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:27,520 will publish the calendar work with the city secretary's office and also with 384 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:33,760 the with Billy to make sure that we have this ready to go and we'll send the 385 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,640 invites to your calendar and get those published so I appreciate the 386 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:43,840 conversation and then we'll add as a future agenda item maybe what topics 387 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:49,400 you'd like to see so we can add that definitely um may I just interject here I 388 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:54,840 appreciate you know him coming in because there are people that are 389 00:36:54,840 --> 00:37:00,640 watching and this may be the only time they can hear that so understand 390 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:08,560 alrighty so then the last item last item yes oh we need to make a motion okay I'm 391 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:14,620 move that we need to make a motion on it the calendar yeah yeah I'll move proof 392 00:37:14,620 --> 00:37:24,840 calendar is presented okay second and we're on an agreement thank you my bad 393 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:35,640 all right MC 2 2 0 3 7 oh we already did that we're on the staff report MC 2 3 0 394 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:42,400 0 5 staff report item D absolutely so I have Trevor crane here today he's our 395 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:47,200 director of capital projects and I'm asking him to give you an update on both 396 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:54,800 Bonnie Bray and Hickory Creek and then I will handle the future item so great so 397 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,440 good morning Trevor crane director of capital projects so today I'll go 398 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,120 through just a quick update on the Bonnie Bray projects as well as Hickory 399 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:07,400 Creek 3 so Bonnie Bray 1 & 2 the both those projects are complete as well as 400 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:13,800 Bonnie Bray 4a which is the roundabout Bonnie Bray 3 just went to council last 401 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:19,560 night and that y'all gay council gave us permission to reject those bids so we we 402 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,680 will be moving forward with rejecting the bids for Bonnie Bray 3 and rebidding 403 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:30,320 that as a competitive seal proposal Bonnie Bray 4b that Bonnie Bray 4b and 404 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,440 Bonnie Bray 5 are both included on that county bond that Becky mentioned earlier 405 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,120 so as soon as we get funding for those projects we'll be moving forward on 406 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:45,080 those just a side note on Bonnie Bray 4b we did have a project that was next to 407 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,040 that project the north-south water main that when they were closing that project 408 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,040 up they discovered a couple leaks the contractor has gone out fix those leaks 409 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:58,640 and they're working on fixing those roads as we speak should be done within 410 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:05,120 the next two or three weeks weather permitting quick question do we know if 411 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:10,000 the lakes were I mean were the lakes so the lakes had been there ever since they 412 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,520 they put them they put the water lines in I believe so but it was done at the 413 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,320 towards the end of the project so that would the end of the project is right 414 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:25,600 there at Bonnie Bray right so my question is so we paved up all the road 415 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:33,640 and then we found a two-inch or two small leak in a two-inch service line so 416 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:38,480 now service line means it's going to a piece of two service line connections 417 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:45,360 it's two service line connections correct I guess my question is I mean 418 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,920 having done plumbing and houses and stuff you know you test your lines and 419 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:55,400 so how was this after the final thing was put on or did this occur and they 420 00:39:55,400 --> 00:40:00,240 we just missed it we just missed it so this was done after the fact after the 421 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:03,760 road was paved so there's a lot of reasons why a service line might you 422 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:08,000 know might fail after the fact I mean a lot of times they'll even they'll work 423 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:13,760 when you test them and then all right have we determined that I mean so we we 424 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,160 obviously tested the line before we started covering it up and paving it it 425 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:22,240 was all okay correct yes sir and then finally Bonnie 426 00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:26,800 Bray phase six so this one is scheduled to go to construction in quarter one of 427 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:32,520 2023 we're working through one final property through eminent domain we've 428 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,160 been working with legal and the property owner to acquire that product that 429 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,900 property hopefully getting pretty close on that and once we get that acquired we 430 00:40:40,900 --> 00:40:45,280 can move forward with constructing this project this is on the face by the great 431 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:50,700 face six okay six yeah and that's the section right that runs adjacent to the 432 00:40:50,700 --> 00:41:10,760 new the ISD so I can pause right here if y'all have any questions on Bonnie Bray 433 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:20,520 clarification phase three it goes up to three it goes all the way up to two 434 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:29,000 eighty eight or Bonnie Bray is 380 to scripture oh okay yes so the but phase 435 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:36,120 three specifically is rose on to 35 phase four is from oh yeah you're right 436 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:44,160 35 35 scripture okay phase five is from scripture to 380 phase six is from 380 437 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,440 to 77 okay and as a side note we are looking at our naming convention for 438 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:54,160 projects yeah yeah I guess I guess one question and we talked about this 439 00:41:54,160 --> 00:42:00,120 yesterday on the phase three rejecting of the bids and all the different things 440 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:05,080 that either you know we could change to get a better accurate bid I guess so my 441 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:10,920 question is okay what's going to happen when we repackage it and the bids come 442 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:19,160 in either the same maybe slightly lower but probably still more than the the 443 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,040 original budget are you are you anticipating that this repackaging will 444 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:29,120 get this bid closer to the budgeted amount or we do so there's a couple 445 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:34,040 things kind of working against us with the original bid so let me see how I 446 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:40,000 want to say this so this design was done a while back before pride and we 447 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:45,280 selected the design firm prior to us establishing our pre-qualified list so 448 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,800 that led to a lot of the questions that we got from contractors during the bid 449 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:54,520 process so as they mentioned last night multiple addendums lots of questions so 450 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,400 when there's questions that leads to risk and contractors if they have but 451 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,960 they feel there's a risk in the project or it's not really clear they're gonna 452 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,920 build in those costs in that project with it being a low bid project we don't 453 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:09,880 we can't really see the backup or how they've kind of put that risk into the 454 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,360 project so we've done a couple things we've gone back taking all those 455 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:19,120 addendums work those into the design firm or into the design plans so that 456 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:23,680 they're clear we feel like we've reduced the risk for the contractor we've also 457 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,480 extended out the time frame that we expect this project to be built in so 458 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,800 originally it was 18 months we've extended that out to 24 months that was 459 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,720 one of the questions and comments we got back from the contractors they felt the 460 00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:39,640 time frame was too short so they had to build in additional costs for labor and 461 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:44,200 equipment and all those types of things and then packaging it as a CSP so a 462 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:49,040 competitive sale proposal so the original budget which includes I believe 463 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:54,400 RTR County fund or somebody's funds and we do a 20% match so the original budget 464 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,680 do we remember what the original budget was I don't off the top of my head is 465 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:06,800 the 13 million dollar overage was that 20% of the original budget and or that 466 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:11,400 overage in general is that would be totally our responsibility the city's or 467 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,980 would that be a 20% match so it's whoever's is it the county that's 468 00:44:15,980 --> 00:44:19,720 providing or is it text out that's providing the I think it's RTR funds 469 00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:24,080 and I believe so but I have to get back since 80 20 I just remember that so the 470 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:28,680 overage would be over the original budget correct is the city's 471 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:34,880 responsibility but what I'm hearing you say is the original budget was created 472 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:41,120 on an old design right estimated on on the old design that you felt so yeah so 473 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:45,720 the design didn't change it was just unclear in some of the some of the 474 00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:49,600 documents so as the contractors were trying to bid on it there were a lot of 475 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,560 questions on you know how does this work or what am I supposed to do here so 476 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,680 we've gone back and cleared those up so that there is more clear in that in that 477 00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,160 bidding process so they know what they're bidding on right but I guess my 478 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:05,520 point is these are my words not yours yeah the design was defective to some 479 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,920 degree it wasn't as complete as we would have liked it to have been to really get 480 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:16,000 an accurate bid from a contractor number one which means we probably in our 481 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,500 budget estimate whoever does that and I'm assuming it's the engineers that 482 00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:24,000 designed it so yeah so we've checked those numbers yeah we've checked those 483 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,140 numbers so all the bid quantities against the revised set every all the 484 00:45:28,140 --> 00:45:31,960 numbers are right so the the quantities that went into the project all those 485 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:37,120 things so the in our mind the the cost hasn't changed it's just how the 486 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,000 contractors perceive those bid items and those design plans and how they bid those 487 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:46,200 okay great when do you anticipate that going back out oh as soon as we can do 488 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,880 it so yeah we'll work yeah well we bid it yeah it's ready to go now we were 489 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,640 just waiting on City Council's direction last night so we'll be ready to get it 490 00:45:53,640 --> 00:46:00,720 back out on the street so all right so moving on to Hickory Creek Road phase 491 00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:07,360 three so this is from River Pass Drive to FM 1830 this one was awarded to Mario 492 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:12,480 Sincola in quarter three of 2022 I believe they're currently working 493 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:17,500 through the utility relocations some turning in submittals and RFIs getting 494 00:46:17,500 --> 00:46:22,080 ready to get out there and work we we expect them to start actual construction 495 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:33,320 in quarter one of 2023 I have a question where is Hickory Creek Road is it is it 496 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:39,740 down it's Geyer high school somewhere yes yes and that runs over to the 497 00:46:39,740 --> 00:46:43,640 clubhouse country club room country club room correct okay so I'm in the right 498 00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:49,320 area right it's so the way Hickory Creek Road is currently configured it has that 499 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:55,200 big s-curve before it gets the country club road so this bridge will span that 500 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,920 and close down that Hickory Creek Road so it'll span that s-curve Hickory Creek 501 00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:06,120 and connect at country club I believe okay I'm gonna drive over there just be 502 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:14,840 careful I am on be really careful you have any questions no perfect thank you 503 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:27,920 thank you thank you Trevor alrighty so the next item on our list is to talk 504 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:35,480 about the future agenda items so the Bonnie Bray Street update is something 505 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:40,520 that we've been giving you updates on I guess feedback on that would be how 506 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:46,000 often would you like to see the updates what happens between a month is really 507 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,960 probably not substantial enough to bring you back an update on a construction I 508 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,360 would see where you might want to have an update at least on Bonnie Bray phase 509 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:58,000 three since we're getting it back out to bid but just question on what type of 510 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:03,760 updates you would like to receive on that I personally would like to see every 511 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:09,440 month okay yeah I mean honestly I mean if there's not much change you can put 512 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,040 that in the in the in the back up and then just simply say hey are there any 513 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:18,120 questions I mean it's perfect yeah no problem that's very simple and you can 514 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:22,680 see the paragraphs are very simple on the citywide speed study update we did 515 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,800 that back in October we did hold the public hearing December 6 that has been 516 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:31,360 adopted James and his team have been going out and replacing the speed limit 517 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:36,160 signs so you probably will see that work it's happening you know kind of all over 518 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,160 town where those replacements need to be made I will tell you our anticipation 519 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:44,520 when we would bring this back to you would be simply when we hear back from 520 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:49,240 textile which they told us could take up to six months on the information we sent 521 00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:54,120 to them for their review of their roadways so that's the process that they 522 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,880 have we've already submitted everything to them Brett's been coordinating on 523 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,560 those efforts but at this time we have not heard back from them we do meet 524 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:07,280 with them monthly to ask for updates and follow up on a regular basis but that's 525 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:12,520 for any of the roadways that actually were reviewed that are text dots so any 526 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:17,200 questions on that item I would anticipate we we're leaving it on here 527 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:24,200 just so we bring you back the update when text dots ready but we won't oh got 528 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:29,440 it okay Logan separated it out for me so I guess what we're asking we'll remove 529 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:34,200 number two and then leave number five on here thank you Logan I'm sorry I hadn't 530 00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:38,520 looked that far down yet so that's that's the goal so we will bring that 531 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:45,440 back as soon as textile is ready on the third line is Hickory Creek Road phase 532 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,240 three update so similarly we'll just bring you that as you know if there's 533 00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:52,680 not a lot of changes we'll do the same thing for Bonnie braid that is actively 534 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:58,960 ongoing and we were very excited to have that project happening Ronnie Road I'm 535 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,400 sorry not Ronnie wrote I've got that on my brain talking about money very face 536 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:10,240 six Ryan Road we did provide an update in the September staff report and so I 537 00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:13,560 think we've explained this before and so I don't know if this is something you 538 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,880 want to hear regular information on or not but as soon as Hickory Creek phase 539 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:22,640 three gets to a point where we're realizing that we're getting very close 540 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:28,480 to construction to be completed and we can sync those up our goal is to when 541 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:33,160 Hickory Creek phase three completes then Ryan Road would begin and obviously the 542 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:38,560 purpose of that is is that those are the major East West corridors along 2181 543 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:45,100 that get folks from 2181 to the west side of the side of the town so our 544 00:50:45,100 --> 00:50:49,040 anticipation is to bring that back there's really no updates we are at 30% 545 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,640 and on hold until we get to the point where we feel like so keep in mind that 546 00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,400 will go through a design process and then go through the construction but the 547 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:03,240 construction will not begin until Hickory Creek phase 3 is completed so on 548 00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:07,120 that one happy to leave it on the agenda there's not really a whole lot to talk 549 00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:12,800 about at this point because the Hickory Creek phase 3 project is a multi-year 550 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:18,920 project so and then I guess from so my question would be would you like to us 551 00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,840 to remove Ryan Road because we're really not updating you on it until we get to 552 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:30,280 the point that's ready to bring the update okay we can remove that one perfect 553 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,120 Logan has a separate tracker that you're not seeing here that says don't forget 554 00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,360 to bring this back to mobility committee so when we promise we're gonna do 555 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,920 something we're tracking that we don't miss it so I appreciate her efforts on 556 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,720 that and then I guess the last thing that I'd like to add to the future item 557 00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:51,680 is your request to look at the terms for kind of when we see the receive updates 558 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:56,680 as I mentioned this is something similar we did with DCTA but looking at from an 559 00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:00,640 ITS perspective if there's not really a whole lot to bring forward or any 560 00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:05,060 changes you know how you'd like to work through that so I'm gonna open up that 561 00:52:05,060 --> 00:52:08,000 discussion for the two of you and kind of figure out what you would like to see 562 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:14,920 from that perspective well I mean are we going to my John posters report correct 563 00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,120 so are you comfortable I'll have to bring it back as a future agenda item so 564 00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,560 are you comfortable with me bringing it back and at that time we can have the 565 00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:26,800 discussion yeah okay perfect then we'll put it on the agenda for the February 566 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,280 meeting are there any other items you would like for us to bring forward to 567 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,520 you that you're interested in or anything we can have any staff members 568 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:38,600 report on I think I do but it may be more for the whole council okay and that 569 00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:45,920 is and see attorney's office can a new chair weigh in on this based upon our 570 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:50,920 discussion yesterday about road impact fees and that the qualified projects 571 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,640 are the mobility I think it's the mobility plan that's correct that's what 572 00:52:54,640 --> 00:53:00,720 I think you said so it'd be interesting to see you know what is on the mobility 573 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:05,120 plan either as an example in each one of the sections in the next five years 574 00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:11,340 that's planned to be either an expansion for capacity or new construction which 575 00:53:11,340 --> 00:53:15,840 would qualify for those so I think when we talk about that so I don't know that 576 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,640 that might be something I'll probably just bring that up either in a two 577 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,960 minute pitch or something because as we go to our public meeting I mean if we 578 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,080 talk about it here we're just going to move it forward to the council but I 579 00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:30,040 think that data would be important especially for the public hearing when we 580 00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:35,880 go okay this is so high elevation this is so in the weeds how do we say okay 581 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:40,800 this is supposed to impact this so I'll put together a two-minute pitch on that 582 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:45,800 okay because that's gonna take a little time probably but yeah I've done so no we 583 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:50,400 don't need to discuss it here okay yeah wonderful thank you anything else yes 584 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:57,560 also for these around town projects such as McKinney you know in in phase one 585 00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:02,680 phase two southeast you know we see the areas that we're taking care of right 586 00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:09,200 now is there any way that you all can have me to direct the citizens you know 587 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:16,280 where to go to see how far along the projects are absolutely so why don't we 588 00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:21,540 bring that back as a future agenda item and we can show how we can direct you to 589 00:54:21,540 --> 00:54:26,000 the areas of where they can receive information and so that's not an issue 590 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:31,360 at all that's something we have readily available and we're happy to do that 591 00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:36,480 when I came aboard on the City Council you know one of the things that the 592 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:41,840 southeast neighborhood people South Sedna people brought to my attention 593 00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:48,240 first was Morris Street and right now I know that Morris Street has been given 594 00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:53,240 some attention but right now as I drive down more Street the only thing that I 595 00:54:53,240 --> 00:55:00,360 see that's different is the signage for the speed and I'm very cognizant of that 596 00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:04,800 and I look and match my speed to you know what it's supposed to be sure I'm 597 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:11,400 doing what the sign is it's it's telling me to do but I'm also getting some 598 00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:18,840 feedback that this street is still being ignored so I think um what would I like 599 00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:24,840 to put that back on the agenda to give me some direction as to what I need to 600 00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,680 tell these folks sure that's not a problem we actually have a project that 601 00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:33,960 was approved as a part of the DCTA trip okay to do more Street and that's been a 602 00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:38,000 part of the submission so I think that's fine to bring that back we can bring it 603 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,800 back as a staff update that's not an issue kind of talk through that and so 604 00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:49,160 definitely that's an easy ask and I'll also ask that we have the traffic team 605 00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:54,680 to come back out to one of their set of meetings we had one this past Monday I'm 606 00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,680 sure you know one it's going to come up again is there any way we can have them 607 00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:03,880 your team to come back out to one of the meetings I'll call speak to the chair 608 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:10,120 of that Association and see we come back out and give an update directly because 609 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:15,400 they're seeing a lot of things going on in the neighborhood I'm happy but of 610 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:19,960 course I don't drive down those streets every day so I appreciate it if if you 611 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,320 all will come back out sure I'll work with Trevor on that to find out when 612 00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:27,720 there's a another update that could be made and if it's something that we need 613 00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:31,280 to bring forward to the committee we'll do so but okay we'll sidebar that and 614 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:35,520 work on when when the next meeting might be available that we can actually come 615 00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,080 and bring some news that's worthy to share so okay and then we had some 616 00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:43,760 pre-construction meetings with them but giving them an update on a regular basis 617 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,000 I think Trevor and I can work through that with the team okay no problem 618 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,200 very much absolutely all right did you have any other streets in particular 619 00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:57,760 that you want them to take a look at no I mean all of them I'd heard you say 620 00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:02,520 something about Oakland Street whether or not course that's a pretty rough one I 621 00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:09,120 don't know if I don't remember exactly what we were planning for Oakland Street 622 00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,960 so and we can bring that back to you Oakland was a part of the bond 623 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:17,320 submission yesterday okay and it is included in one of the 2019 bonds but in 624 00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,000 order to do that project we actually need to reconstruct quite a bit of 625 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:25,200 drainage in that area so that will come up during the bond discussions and so 626 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,720 it's probably applicable for that to come up during that time frame versus 627 00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:32,240 us bring something to you separately okay but if you have particular questions we 628 00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:36,140 can definitely help you with that all right thank you all right you have 629 00:57:36,140 --> 00:57:43,160 anything else sir yeah well that's it for us 630 00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:48,520 are there any concluding items did you have any kind of concluding items okay 631 00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:53,840 well I am going to declare this meeting and so we don't need we're not talking 632 00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,080 about any kind of future dates right now that's okay well I'll declare this 633 00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:03,680 meeting closed at 11 o'clock all right thank you very much