WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:08.000 So, the time is now 5.36, we've determined we have a forum, so we're going to call to order the meeting. 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:15.000 The City of Denton meeting of the Historic Landmark Commission at 5.36, January 23rd, Monday. 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:23.000 So we're going to start with the flags, so let us do the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:36.000 I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:44.000 one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all, except the seniors. 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:55.000 On the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state, under God, one and indivisible. 00:00:55.000 --> 00:01:02.000 Welcome everyone, I hope you have a nice new year in store. 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:13.000 So, I think our first item is HLC 23-008, consideration of the minutes from the last meeting. 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:20.000 Has anybody got any additions, comments, any changes to the minutes? 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:25.000 If somebody does not recognize a change, I'll move approval of the minutes. 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:26.000 Second. 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:29.000 All right, all in favor, please. 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:30.000 Aye. 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:32.000 Aye, anybody opposed? 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:34.000 Passes unanimously. 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:38.000 Monica, don't forget to sign, I'll get you to sign, there's somebody to sign. 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:44.000 All right, so moving on to the second item, this may be our longest thing for the day, 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:48.000 is to elect a Chair and a Vice Chair for the Historic Landmark Commission. 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:54.000 And there is an agenda sheet, oh, one right there, and maybe a done. 00:01:54.000 --> 00:02:00.000 Roy has gone out, he's resigned from the committee for health reasons, 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:06.000 and hopefully we will send him a nice thank you card and get well soon card. 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:11.000 He did a great long amount of service on the committee. 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:15.000 So, we need to talk about Chair and a Vice Chair. 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:20.000 There will be no replacement for Roy because he's from the district, I guess, 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:22.000 that has no representative currently. 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:28.000 And that will not happen until an election in May so that we have to, you know, 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:32.000 do something now and then in June perhaps when somebody gets elected, 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:35.000 have no idea, that will then add one more person on. 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:39.000 So, we need to talk kind of about ideas of who should Chair, who should Vice Chair, 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:43.000 with a look towards the future because I will be rolling off, my term ends, 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:45.000 this is the end of my term. 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:50.000 So, what you would be perfect to fill in then until we can get whatever that is. 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:53.000 We need to bring in somebody though that at the end of this, 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:56.000 at least as Vice Chair, that's ready to pick up the next going around. 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:58.000 Not that I don't think anybody is not capable. 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:00.000 I can do that or we can have somebody else. 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:04.000 Let's just have a discussion. 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:08.000 Well, isn't the most important thing to do to have a Chair, 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:14.000 so that if you were Chair, volunteers? 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:18.000 I think it would be better if we had a Chair that wouldn't have to roll off 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:22.000 and redo it again, if that was possible. 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:25.000 I'm not sure how you would explain to me, I'm a little slow today. 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:27.000 You want a new Chair, that's right. 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:33.000 What I'm saying is, if we do that, are we saying we'll have to have a Chair election again? 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:36.000 Oh, we do it every year anyway. 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:41.000 So, if you ended up electing Mary today, say for instance, 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:45.000 when her term came to close on August 31st, 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:49.000 and say whoever her council member is decided to replace her immediately, 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:52.000 then we would have to have a new election at that point. 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:56.000 But if they don't replace her immediately, then we're okay. 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:59.000 Until January of 2024. 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:03.000 That would apply to a Chair and Vice Chair. 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:07.000 And usually they aren't all that happy to replace somebody, 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:10.000 because they have to find somebody to replace them with, 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:14.000 and that's not always easy. 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:16.000 That makes sense. 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:20.000 I thought you were saying we would have to do now and then again in May, 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:22.000 and I thought that would make sense. 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:26.000 We should get a new person on in June, if we're lucky. 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:30.000 However, if the new council member is able to fill their slots across. 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:31.000 Okay, that makes sense. 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:35.000 Otherwise, we're stuck with a quorum of five, even though there are only six members. 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:38.000 It would be a quorum of four still, but only six members. 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:41.000 Okay. 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:43.000 Yeah, it's a little more difficult. 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:47.000 I mean, my preference is to have somebody that sort of is tightly associated 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:51.000 with the historic district be either Chair or Vice Chair. 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:54.000 That's just a preference I personally have. 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:59.000 That's certainly not a requirement. 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:06.000 And I guess Kason isn't here, so he is not eligible to be in the current election. 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:11.000 Correct. 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:15.000 I guess do we want to continue to talk about it, or do we want just to -- 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:19.000 You have to nominate, I think, nominations. 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:21.000 But I'm saying do we want to nominate right away, 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:28.000 or do we want to continue to discuss who's possible? 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:31.000 I'll just say I really would not be considered. 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:32.000 Oh, absolutely. 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:33.000 I can't be considered. 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:36.000 I'm going to be fighting with the city forever. 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:39.000 Okay. 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:41.000 Well, that took out who I was going to have. 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:43.000 That's who I was going to do. 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:44.000 You. 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:46.000 That's who I like better. 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:51.000 Cassandra, Angie, me, that, yeah, that's what we're looking at. 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:54.000 I think we're looking at Mary and you guys. 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:56.000 Oh, are you? 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:57.000 Yeah, I don't know. 00:05:57.000 --> 00:06:00.000 It's just the three of us that we can talk about right now. 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:03.000 Well, can we do one on one? 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:04.000 Let's see. 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:05.000 Who's not here? 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:06.000 Kason. 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:07.000 Kason. 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:09.000 And so he's not eligible for out of recession. 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:12.000 Unlike academics, where you will put people in if they get nominated, 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:17.000 but they're not present here, you have to be present. 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:18.000 Yes. 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:21.000 I was just thinking. 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:26.000 Well, I didn't wait and you would be it when you walked in the door. 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:27.000 Can I add for clarification? 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:30.000 Is he just not eligible because he's not here to be part of the conversation? 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:33.000 Yes. 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:38.000 The other option that I would just put out there is that if the commission 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:40.000 wants additional time and consideration to think about it, 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:43.000 I mean, we can always repost this item for the next meeting. 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:47.000 And if you're wanting to include case and in that conversation, 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:52.000 obviously, we've got Mary for this evening to carry us through because 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:53.000 she is our vice chair. 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:58.000 But if so, we can either take action tonight or if it's up to which the 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:01.000 commission to postpone it to the next meeting. 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:03.000 Marcella, I would think we would have that action. 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:08.000 We can still take action on Mary and elevate her and have just one vacancy. 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:09.000 Is that correct? 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:12.000 Yes, that could be an option. 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:13.000 Yeah. 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:15.000 I mean, if I was going to make a suggestion, 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:17.000 I'm happy to finish up the term. 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:20.000 I would suggest Angie since she and I know she lives in the neighborhood. 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:23.000 That means that it would open it up for case and to come in if he wants to 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:27.000 join in in the summer to do to do that job. 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:30.000 But I'm perfectly open. 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:33.000 Angie is willing to take the chair. 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:34.000 That would be fun. 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:36.000 I'm happy where I'm at. 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:39.000 Yeah, okay. 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:44.000 You know, it's good for me because I may be traveling somewhere. 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:45.000 All right. 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:46.000 So let's do it. 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:47.000 You want to nominate? 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:48.000 Yes. 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:49.000 Yes. 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:50.000 Please give a nomination. 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:53.000 I nominate Angie chair. 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:54.000 Okay. 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:56.000 Commission. 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:57.000 Any second? 00:07:57.000 --> 00:07:59.000 Do we have the second half? 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:00.000 Okay, good. 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:01.000 All right. 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:02.000 Good. 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:08.000 Let's clarify that. 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:09.000 All right. 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:10.000 All those in favor. 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:12.000 Let's vote for. 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:13.000 All right. 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:14.000 Anybody opposed? 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:15.000 All right. 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:16.000 Good. 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:19.000 It passes unanimously. 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:20.000 All right. 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:21.000 And did you vote? 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:23.000 Did everyone vote for Mary to be vice chair? 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:24.000 Is that was part of the vote? 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:25.000 It was not. 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:26.000 There was no vote on that. 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:27.000 There is. 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:28.000 You have to be re-appointed over here. 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:29.000 Oh, yeah. 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:30.000 Okay. 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:32.000 So that wasn't part of the original motion. 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:33.000 Yes. 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:34.000 I'll have to do a second motion. 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:35.000 I'll do a second motion. 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:36.000 For Mary to be the vice chair. 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:37.000 Second. 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:38.000 All right. 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:39.000 So that's good. 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:40.000 So you want to start? 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:41.000 Should she finish? 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:42.000 What we have done with other boards and commissions that have been involved with is we've had 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:43.000 the new appointee take effect at the next meeting so allow Mary to continue serving 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:44.000 the meetings. 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:45.000 Yes. 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:46.000 Yeah. 00:08:46.000 --> 00:09:01.000 No. 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:02.000 The motion just now. 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:03.000 Yeah. 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:04.000 We didn't vote all together. 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:05.000 Oh, yeah. 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:06.000 Okay. 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:07.000 So. 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:08.000 Yes. 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:09.000 All in favor of Mary. 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:10.000 Okay. 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:11.000 Yeah. 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:12.000 Sure. 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:13.000 Why not? 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:14.000 It's an easy job. 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:15.000 Okay. 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:16.000 All right. 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:17.000 Okay. 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:18.000 Now. 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:19.000 So is that passed unanimously? 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:20.000 Anybody? 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:21.000 Let's see. 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:22.000 What do we have left to do? 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:23.000 We've done with all of our consideration items. 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:24.000 Yes. 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:31.000 We have a work session to discuss and determine the opportunities for public outreach and education 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:38.000 by the Historic Landmark Commission and do you have a, do you think you sent us out as 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:39.000 email? 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:40.000 Yes. 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:41.000 I sent. 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:46.000 Last week or I think two weeks ago I sent out an email just saying start thinking of 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:53.000 ideas and I shared the preliminary plans for Preservation Month. 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:59.000 So just wanted to see, because I know this is a topic that's been on our matrix for a 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:00.000 while. 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:04.000 There has been discussion prior of wanting to do something for Preservation Month. 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:09.000 I did receive from the county that they do not want to actually host an event. 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:11.000 They just want to volunteer. 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:15.000 So that's their plans as the County Historical Commission. 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:18.000 You all are allowed to obviously do the same thing. 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:23.000 I would love to have the HLC participate, but I wanted to bring that forward because 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:28.000 it is something that we continuously talk about as a commission and as staff and seeing 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:34.000 how we want to kind of get out into the public and educate everyone about historic preservation. 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:40.000 So I don't know if anyone came with ideas today or had any suggestions that they were 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:41.000 thinking about. 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:50.000 But as you can see kind of from what we have so far, we have a series of events. 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:54.000 We have the proclamation which will take place on May 2nd. 00:10:54.000 --> 00:11:00.000 Myself and the county, Kim Cupid, will be doing a lecture called Revealing Lost Denton. 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:04.000 Chuck Bollinger from the library and Kim Cupid also from the county. 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:07.000 They are going to be doing an IOOF cemetery tour. 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:12.000 Anna Kramer from UNT is going to be doing a lecture about the portals of Texas history 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:14.000 research. 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:18.000 And then Integrated Environmental Solutions which is based in Denton. 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:22.000 They are going to do a headstone conservation workshop trying to figure out the time. 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:25.000 But that's going to be at the MLK Center in Oakwood Cemetery. 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:28.000 It's going to be about a three hour workshop which will be great. 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:31.000 They are going to be cleaning headstones. 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:33.000 Brent Heider, he's a Fort Worth homeowner. 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:36.000 He's going to talk about -- do a restoration lecture. 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:39.000 We have Denton County's International Museum Day. 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:43.000 And then Stronger Denton, Denton Main Street Association in the city are going to do 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:48.000 Imagine the Possibilities tour which is mainly centered around vacancies and real 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:49.000 estate. 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:53.000 And they are still trying to figure out some of the timing so that's why it's in gray 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:55.000 in the locations. 00:11:55.000 --> 00:12:00.000 Also they are going to be doing their historic bark roll. 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:05.000 Denton Parks and Recreation, they are going to do a clear creek walking tour centered 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:10.000 around landscape -- cultural landscapes and their importance to the community. 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:15.000 And then Chamber of Farmers is going to be ending it with a Denton trivia. 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:20.000 So these are just -- these are the events we have so far. 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:24.000 Obviously I would love for the Historic Landmark Commission to participate in some 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:28.000 way, whether that's also volunteering for these events, similar to what the county is 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:30.000 doing, or coming up with an event of your own. 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:32.000 But just wanted to share this with you all. 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:36.000 So the county members are participating -- are they volunteering for just various -- 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:37.000 Yes. 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:38.000 -- whatever they choose to -- okay. 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:44.000 Yes, I spoke to Gary and he's their chair and he spoke to their commission and they 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:49.000 stated that they were going to take whatever the finalized schedule was and pick and choose 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:53.000 amongst the commission which ones they participated in as a volunteer. 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:57.000 They weren't ready to actually host an event at this time. 00:12:57.000 --> 00:12:58.000 Okay. 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:03.000 I've found somebody in Fort Worth also that is in, I think, the Fairmont District who 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:08.000 is interested in talking about restoration and who actually does restoration as opposed 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:10.000 to moving things. 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:11.000 Oh, right. 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:14.000 So Brent Heider, he reached out to us because he's the one who restored his home. 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:15.000 Oh, yeah. 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:16.000 He did it personally? 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:17.000 Mm-hmm. 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:18.000 Wow. 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:19.000 I'm impressed. 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:21.000 Supposedly it took him about 10 years. 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:22.000 Yeah. 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:26.000 So he had reached out to the county and the county asked him if he'd be interested in 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:29.000 doing a restoration lecture, but that's an opportunity for that. 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:31.000 Maybe they could pair up together. 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:32.000 Right, exactly. 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:33.000 Since they're both from the Fort Worth area. 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:34.000 They'll send you the information. 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:41.000 Well, I think the thing that we have to really work on is how to get the word out, how to 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:49.000 let the public know without our newspaper, which we are effectively without one now. 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:54.000 You know, we used to have a newspaper and it had a calendar inside the front page. 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:55.000 Okay. 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:58.000 I could read and see what was going on, what was coming up. 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:00.000 That's no longer in existence. 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:06.000 Now, we all, like the senior center, it tries to publish, send out a few things and lay 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:08.000 things on the counter and all. 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:15.000 It's not nearly as effective as having some place where people can just go and see what's 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:18.000 happening and what's coming up and all. 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:19.000 I don't know. 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:26.000 I think it's a problem for everybody, but I'm not sure that anybody is really working 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:32.000 on figuring out how to, because everybody seems to think we're all going to, what is 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:34.000 that little site you go to? 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:37.000 Facebook or Instagram or something. 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:41.000 Yeah, or those things and finding out about these. 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:42.000 And most people aren't. 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:47.000 And they take place and then you tell somebody and they say, oh, I wish I had known. 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:49.000 Well, we could do a little next door. 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:52.000 I mean, that's what I want to do. 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:53.000 Yeah. 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:59.000 And what about the web page is like the Denton, Discover Denton. 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:01.000 You can post events on there. 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:03.000 How often have you been to Discover Denton? 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:04.000 It's not a Facebook. 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:07.000 I'm just thinking about non-Facebook social media. 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:08.000 Yeah, anything. 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:10.000 That's why next door is at least a few more people. 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:13.000 So do you feel that flyer? 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:20.000 So when you walk into some of the city buildings, we have flyers posted in the front window. 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:25.000 Do you feel like those are a good addition or they're not really doing anything? 00:15:25.000 --> 00:15:27.000 How often do we walk in the front door? 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:33.000 So like in the senior center, if we put in the front window, so right when you're walking 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:38.000 in that front door and you see a flyer, would you read it or would you just keep walking? 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:40.000 Most likely we would read it. 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:41.000 Okay. 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:45.000 If it wasn't grocery stores or pharmacies or something. 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:46.000 Coffee shops. 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:47.000 Coffee shops. 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:48.000 Okay. 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:49.000 Coffee shops. 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:56.000 Cameron, I had mentioned some time ago, I didn't follow up with you about it, but were there 00:15:56.000 --> 00:16:04.000 any discussions further about creating some type of activity or whatever to do within 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:05.000 the schools? 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:12.000 We talked about that when we were meeting via Zoom about making the kids, getting the 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:21.000 kids and as well as the teachers aware and having some type of activity, be it a fact 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:27.000 sheet or whatever, withdraw kids. 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:32.000 I mean, into finding out. 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:40.000 So if the first part of the month, if there had been something, first part of May, excuse 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:45.000 me, would have been something that had gone to the teachers to say, will you engage your 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:46.000 students in this activity? 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:51.000 Maybe have it set up based on grade level. 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:58.000 And when you talk about like a cemetery tour, what would it have been like to have had something 00:16:58.000 --> 00:17:03.000 made it for high schoolers and make it seem like it was something spooky, fun, TikTok-ish? 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:10.000 But you know, I think you're right because I think I'm all for the education piece of 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:15.000 it, but I don't want it to stop in elementary school because I think sometimes it just falls 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:16.000 flat down. 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:19.000 Yeah, I'm thinking about all like elementary middle. 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:25.000 And so like you have a grade, like I said, TikTok thing for both the middle school and 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:32.000 some of the elementary kids on there too, you know, and have a, you know, spooky historic 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:33.000 tour. 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:34.000 Or what is it? 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:35.000 What was it? 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:38.000 Pac-Man or something you could play? 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:39.000 Pokemon Go. 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:40.000 Was that what it was? 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:41.000 Where they were all going through? 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:42.000 Pokemon. 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:43.000 Yeah, I don't do it, but that's what everybody loves. 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:44.000 You can put them all in historic. 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:45.000 They probably wouldn't, the neighbors would not like us. 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:46.000 The cemetery is really a very historical cemetery. 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:47.000 It is. 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:59.000 Maybe work out something, maybe with the teen library because like my child, she goes to 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:06.000 this after school thing, but a lot of kids now are just walking up to the North Branch 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:07.000 Library. 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:08.000 Okay. 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:15.000 And you know, something there for them to possibly do that the library can introduce 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:16.000 them to. 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:18.000 I would say so, but not listed. 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:27.000 The only thing that deals with younger children education thus far is a story time. 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:30.000 And that's usually just ages one through five. 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:35.000 And it's stories about preserving different cultural traditions. 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:42.000 But we let the library handle that specifically because they have a woman who's in charge 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:47.000 of story time for children and child education. 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:50.000 So she picks the stories and we just tell her it's preservation month. 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:53.000 You choose which books you want to read. 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:59.000 But we hadn't pursued anything with the schools because I know that the county commission 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:03.000 goes into the schools, but I don't know what their programming is. 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:10.000 And that's something I did not speak to the county about or the library this year. 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:12.000 What about Parks and Rec? 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:15.000 I mean, a lot of kids go to the Parks and Rec thing. 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:19.000 So that's why they're doing the Clear Creek walking tour because Parks and Rec didn't 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:23.000 participate last year and we wanted them to participate in some capacities. 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:29.000 So they felt that cultural landscapes would be a good topic to cover in terms of preservation 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:31.000 because we don't really cover that specifically. 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:37.000 Most of what's been covered thus far last year and this year is the built environment, 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:41.000 which is great, but preservation is a lot more than that. 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:46.000 So we're trying to kind of get outside of just the built environment itself. 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:55.000 So that's why there's a headstone conservation and then obviously the Clear Creek walking tour. 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:57.000 But I think you have a really good point. 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:01.000 I think that is something that definitely needs to be done. 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:06.000 I think that would be something that we need to see what the county does. 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:12.000 We don't step on their toes and see what their educational, I guess, 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:16.000 resources that they do right now with the schools is. 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:23.000 Because I do think they have learning days where they go in and teach a class from what I understand. 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:25.000 Don't quote me on that. 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:27.000 I will do more research is basically what I'm saying. 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:29.000 But I think you bring up a good point. 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:36.000 So I think that's definitely something that we could do that wasn't that's not currently on this list. 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:47.000 We talked to about in some way making making them aware that your position is even a thing because who? 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:51.000 Even in high school, I want to go up to be a city. 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:59.000 Historic preservation officer. No, I didn't know what it was either. So I'm not offended. 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:03.000 That's true. I think kind of like a career fair. 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:06.000 I don't know if the city does the career fair. 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:18.000 But if they were to make this cool video with you saying who you are and what you do and maybe have a couple of places that are considered to be the most prominent. 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:24.000 I don't know if prominent is a term historic places in Denton. 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:35.000 You know, did you know that back in eighteen something something that the house that you passed by on Oak Street was built by so and so so and so something like that. 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:41.000 And maybe the teachers would consider showing or, you know, making it. 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:56.000 If you make a video, then you don't have to try to go to all the schools, but as the teachers, they're having a career fair type or talking about preservation to do that video in May. 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:59.000 That's a great idea. I'm playing at the movie theaters. 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:12.000 Like they did, we go to the movie and they have the police officer on there and he said, you know, lock it or whatever. 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:16.000 A lot of makeup on me. 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:29.000 That's a great idea. I think that's a really good idea, especially with all going to since it's not just city. 00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:39.000 It's supposed to be counted wide. It's something that, you know, is hard as, you know, staff and HLC and even the county. 00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:46.000 It's educating that younger audience and letting them informing them what preservation is because a lot of them don't know what that is. 00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:51.000 They don't know, especially I feel like a lot of them are surrounded by social media. 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:56.000 So they're like, oh, I'm going to be like a journalist who does social media or, you know, the next tick tock star. 00:22:56.000 --> 00:23:00.000 I'm not sure. I still don't really understand tick tock, but don't worry. 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:13.000 You can't use it. So it's not allowed. But I think you have a really good point. And so I made no awareness about your position because I remember telling you earlier on when I was impressed with your credentials. 00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:18.000 I didn't know that was a thing, you know, and some of the positions I've had in the past, I didn't go upset. 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:21.000 I wanted to do that because I didn't know it was a thing. 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:22.000 I think it's great. I think it's a good early. 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:26.000 Did the newspaper ever air your interview? I never got noticed. 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:33.000 Let me let me check on that. Okay. Yeah, I typed in a few keywords that I thought maybe I could find something. 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:36.000 Okay. But I didn't find anything. Okay. 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:40.000 So they just did the transition across. Yeah, I know it was. Yeah. 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:45.000 Hmm. Yeah. Well, I'll ask her the new. Okay. 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:48.000 There's also a new body. By the way, John didn't. 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:57.000 U.N.T. is publishing what it's worth. Is there a way for us to promote the restoration lecture? 00:23:57.000 --> 00:24:03.000 And the reason I say that is I really feel like an historic district that we have. 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:16.000 That is something that is very much of an interest of people trying to even keep up with our restore historic structures, even even commercial buildings. 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:18.000 So, I mean, I don't know. 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:29.000 Thoughts on. Well, I was going to say people maybe had to put in for a COA in the last two years, but that wouldn't hit some of the people that I was saying. 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:35.000 I don't know. I'm just thinking if all these other things I think are fabulous. 00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:40.000 But I'm thinking as a homeowner, Home Depot and yes, something like Home Depot. 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:44.000 But even if they're not going to Home Depot, something that they're thinking about. 00:24:44.000 --> 00:25:01.000 For them, along with that restoration lecture, not saying with it at the same time or something, but just knowing processes, knowing COA, knowing the commission here on those types of things. 00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:12.000 I think almost I mean, even if we can almost host like reception for the people in historic districts or even something like that, just something that would be. 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:19.000 And I think I know I definitely think that's something that's important. 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:30.000 You know, I'm doing it over Paul to the website, but that's not something that people always check out in terms of you, especially when it comes to certificates of appropriateness. 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:45.000 So I think that's definitely something that it would be great to gather everyone who's in a local historic district or even the National Register District, or even just owns a historic property and say come one, come all. 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:50.000 Let's have a discussion about restoring your historic properties and what that process looks like. 00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:56.000 And then if you're within a local historic district, this is how your process kind of changes. 00:25:56.000 --> 00:26:06.000 You do have some other hoops that you have to jump through, but, you know, it is really to preserve that sense of place and identity of what was and where it's going in the future. 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:10.000 And to me it would be for information, not question and answer. Correct. 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:28.000 And because I think it was always the historic tour at Christmas time and there's one cover that was from the famous artist there was an artist and didn't have painted all these beautiful watercolors on the historic district homes. 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:39.000 Oh yeah, as a lady as a lady and you know I saw her house I didn't realize it was associated but there's a beautiful picture of a house that used to be on the corner of oak. 00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:53.000 And I don't know if it was Denton, or where the doctor's office is now I forget which street that is. And it was incredibly beautiful Victorian, and it was torn down to make. 00:26:53.000 --> 00:27:11.000 It was torn down just to put up churches pastors on what you know it's just this house was beautiful, it just breaks my heart that you know I think we need to encourage and show what happens, would you rather look at this or would you rather look at this situation 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:13.000 just trying to encourage people. 00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:17.000 So that's this different situation. 00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:32.000 Well, come on, a single, a single flat roofed house is kind of, but that's kind of marry what we're going to be covering the revealing lost and so we're going to be doing just photos of what didn't look like in the past and revealing to people 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:41.000 what they are now, whether the structure still there or if it's a parking lot or if it's, you know, the school or whatever it may be. 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:53.000 So we're going to just kind of take people through that before and after, just so that people can see the change of doesn't over time, and maybe have a discussion of why preservation is important. 00:27:53.000 --> 00:28:01.000 Obviously in some cases it's inevitable that you redevelop areas, it happens it's the only way that city grows. 00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:15.000 But at the same time, there are those instances where you really did lose, you know, a gem that you can never replace and get back. So those are those kind of conversations that we're hoping to have with that lecture specifically 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:35.000 and including like the cities, like, I don't know, grapevine and McKinney and how much economic advantage they had because they say historic areas, all people says Frisco is growing but it has no history whatsoever or McKinney got really moving just because of the downtown. 00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:46.000 And instead of promoting some of our properties not necessarily historic but like done by artists from all over like O'Neill Ford's. Oh yes. 00:28:46.000 --> 00:29:05.000 That's right. It is going and whatever this is that they plan to do with city hall I'm sure he'll roll over twice and grave and we'll have to while we won't know he ever did that building in the first place it'll bear no relation what it started out as. 00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:24.000 So, I'll make sure I did all this work in San Antonio and I'm a native San Antonio and so he was honored when I know I haven't seen that I'll try to bring any other. 00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:35.000 I'll say this is a really good discussion I have lots of good notes taking I can see myself as a lot of notes as well. 00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:48.000 I guess just as a, I think I heard my next neighbor was telling me that she was getting her garden ready for historic debt was doing a garden tour in April so it might be something that we can piggyback on to get people to, you know, come to 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:55.000 and we could put notices up and those venues about what we were doing. 00:29:55.000 --> 00:30:07.000 And if, if we do go further with that restoration lecture like that for our historic districts to, if we, if we did that, I would want to add in that tax incentive credit. 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:09.000 Yes, yes. Okay. 00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:11.000 That I think a lot of people don't know about. 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:14.000 But it's mainly for businesses. 00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:24.000 Is it the one for specifically designated properties at the local level or you're talking about the state and federal, I'm talking about if you spend so much money on your home, okay, just confirming. 00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:30.000 Okay. Oh, the home that's that's so she's talking about the local. 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:48.000 So, which is businesses and residential so local. Okay. I think that'd be great. I think that's definitely something we want to advertise and tell people that, you know, you have this opportunity to take advantage of this, especially if you designate error, or you have a historically significant property. 00:30:48.000 --> 00:31:00.000 So, just know that's out there disposal. Yeah, the question our problem with communication now is the fact that we have too many of those. 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:19.000 Toxin, and whoever else it is, and all of those is there isn't a one source or two, which was what we've had before we've had one newspaper or two newspapers. That was about it. And there it was. 00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:29.000 So, right. But now it's so fragmented and I just cannot tell you the number of times I hear people say I didn't know about that. 00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:39.000 So what have people asked you specifically Lenny that where they wish they could have seen it, just so that I can make note of it, aside from a non existent newspaper. 00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:57.000 Okay. Okay. That was just, that was just the thing now with the kids, but you have to choose between all those tick tocks and Instagram and Facebook and all those, because different ones are looking at different ones all the time. 00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:08.000 Right. Use them all get a social media czar. Well, as I say, I'm just gonna marry I'm just gonna give you the next storm and be like, here's the calendar, can you put it on next door. 00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:14.000 I do next door a little. 00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:20.000 So, any more discussion or showing move on to the next item. 00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:38.000 We answered your questions. I'd say move on. Okay. I got lots of good notes and I think I have a direction moving forward in terms of the restoration lecture and then obviously bringing awareness and looking at recordings but also seeing how we can get involved with the schools. 00:32:38.000 --> 00:33:01.000 I just had one idea that came to mind regarding the restoration lecture camera problem we did the postcards, like Lenny all the social media aspects that are out there but we that might be something we can go old school on and postcard because I was thinking that the postcard that we've sent out to at least all of the local districts. 00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:18.000 Yeah, like, I thought it was nice attention. I seem to recall that was a very nominal cost for us that we could probably look at, see if we could do something that way just as a gold school means of communicating out. 00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:35.000 Just let people know that preservation months coming and then specifically restoration lecture if you have historic property definitely tune in, come and attend to Angie's point I mean it's right, the opportunities for dissemination of information key programs but with 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:43.000 people having properties within our various historic districts that would be a good way to maybe capture their attention in letting you know that event. 00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:46.000 Okay, sounds good. 00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:48.000 Good ideas. 00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:50.000 People have been thinking. 00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.000 I love it. 00:33:52.000 --> 00:34:09.000 So to move on to HLC 23 dash 005 discuss point a commissioner to the definition ad hoc committee. 00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:25.000 This isn't here. 00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:28.000 There anyone that would like to join. 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:33.000 What do you do. 00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:42.000 Hello. 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:56.000 Right, well we have a list of things that we're going through, trying to define that tax credit. 00:34:56.000 --> 00:35:16.000 So the role of the definitions ad hoc committee is to, first of all, was to define what improvements and rest are improvements and restorations are to receive tax incentives to those tax credits. 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:21.000 First defining those because that was a council question. 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:27.000 So that was first and foremost, yeah. 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:29.000 And then you have to go. 00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:45.000 The second was looking at sub chapter two and going through some chapter two specifically in terms of historic processes and procedures and seeing what needs to be updated for the historic aspect in terms of historic landmark commission coa's 00:35:45.000 --> 00:36:00.000 historic landmark destinations, all of those different steps. And then the third was creating guidelines that you all kind of could read upon when you, for instance, come across solar panels, or fencing. 00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:26.000 Windows, windows, kind of having a basic guideline that you all follow so that one when people come in, they're not completely surprised if they get denied or approved, but also so that you all remain consistent so that down the line someone can't say oh well I'm going to sue the city because they've been so inconsistent with their approvals and denials of, you know, for example, windows. 00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:35.000 So, that's, those are the three kind of main ones that the definition ad hoc committee is addressing. 00:36:35.000 --> 00:37:00.000 So, Lance removed himself could do to work conflicts. Last meeting in December, so we have Angie and then case on that. 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:09.000 Taking it like eating an elephant one by the time you're not trying to eat the whole element. 00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:11.000 Yeah, I like that. 00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:17.000 It's a beast, that's for sure, but it sounded like it was one by the time right. 00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:32.000 Okay, so we have a volunteer Sandra has volunteered to be on the definitions ad hoc committee is important work, it will be exciting. 00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:47.000 Let's see. 00:37:47.000 --> 00:38:01.000 So this is that item that we brought originally in November, that's going to be a reoccurring items similar to the matrix where you all bring forward a property that you think is worthy of historic landmark designation. 00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:08.000 And then you do your two minute pitch similar to city council, you make your argument as to why you think of it's important. 00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:35.000 You all vote, it needs a minimum of three votes, if you receive before sorry for votes and if it receives the board votes, then I put it on a list that is kind of a living list of properties that we wanted to get designated and done. 00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:39.000 And then I can give it back to you and then you can present it next meeting. 00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:43.000 Okay, it's actually the house that goes where the owner of ravel and bakery. 00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:45.000 There's the house behind it. 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:47.000 And he's got all the restoration of it. 00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:49.000 Oh yeah, I've always seen that house. 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:50.000 I love that house. 00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:52.000 Yes, yes. 00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:53.000 He lived there. 00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:57.000 So he doesn't have to commute to come in at four o'clock in the morning to bake bread. 00:38:57.000 --> 00:39:05.000 Oh, I love it. I love Eric and forget his wife's name, but I love those folks. 00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:07.000 That's what I put it as ravel and bakery house. 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:10.000 So I'll do a little research for you and I'll send it your way. 00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:11.000 Sounds good. 00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:12.000 Okay. 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:14.000 Because I love that house so much. 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:15.000 Me too. 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:16.000 Yeah. 00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:18.000 So I've made my contribution for the day. 00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:22.000 You're next. 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:27.000 All right, so we're probably out here. 00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:30.000 See if you've got some attachments for us. 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:31.000 Nope. 00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:32.000 Nope, nope. 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:33.000 Okay. 00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:34.000 Item 3D. 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:35.000 3D. 00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:36.000 Oh, sorry. 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:39.000 Holds a special regarding the Historic Landwork Commission's project matrix. 00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:40.000 Yes. 00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:41.000 That's it. 00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:49.000 So the ordinance regarding membership qualifications, that's going to be coming back in a future meeting. 00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:53.000 The historic property ownership being removed. 00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:58.000 The quantifying the economic impact of preserving historic properties. 00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:03.000 Benefits of preserving historic properties in cities incentivizing owners. 00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:09.000 That's definitely a larger conversation, so that will be coming out at a future meeting. 00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:17.000 In regards to, I do have presentation preliminary guidelines regarding property features, fencing windows for use for the public and HLC. 00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:20.000 I do have that being presented in early 2023. 00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:24.000 I'm happy to change that because that's definitions ad hoc. 00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:31.000 So I can say summer of 2023 if that provides you all some time. 00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:36.000 But that's definitely something that I've left on the matrix. 00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:44.000 We do have a presentation from DME regarding the solar panels in early 2023, as I stated, hopefully next month. 00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:47.000 We'll see I'm still waiting for that. 00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:53.000 And then these were just items that have been kind of sitting here in terms of Historic Landmark Commission. 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:58.000 We've already kind of had this discussion so I can remove that. 00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.000 And then annual update. 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:03.000 This is going to be still presented in 2023. 00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:07.000 I don't know if you've legal had time to do that research. 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:09.000 It's almost done. 00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:19.000 It'll probably come in the form of a memo and then if you guys have questions we can schedule a meeting with whoever the relevant kind of individual that would be best to present that. 00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:23.000 But it'll probably be more of a memo form than a presentation form. 00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:29.000 And then obviously our future meetings are February 13th and March 6th. 00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:41.000 But yeah, so if you all want to add anything or if you all are good with this and I just remove everything that was presenting today and update. 00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:42.000 So a little bit. 00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:46.000 You feel like this was the only covered a little bit since it didn't. 00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:48.000 But we haven't got a concrete thing. 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:49.000 Gotcha. Okay. 00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:50.000 I mean I think it's made a lot of progress. 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:51.000 Okay. 00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:52.000 Okay. 00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:55.000 So I will remove this item. 00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:57.000 Hopefully we'll have this item next time. 00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:03.000 I will update this item regarding definition ad hoc committee update to hopefully summer 2023. 00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:08.000 We'll just keep that as a temporary no set date. 00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:19.000 Is it possible to back up to something so on this definitions ad hoc committee the work done that does that have any impact on. 00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:27.000 About staff give a direction on historic men or designation. 00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:31.000 Okay. 00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:33.000 I think it's working your way through it pretty well. 00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:36.000 Sounds good. 00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:38.000 I just want to add one thing actually to back up a little bit. 00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:48.000 I'm so glad to see there's going to be a presentation by someone from UOT about the portal to Texas history because there's so many items that is if you're not familiar with it's an astoundingly huge. 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:52.000 Publicly available searchable database of Texas history. 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:54.000 It's filled with local history. 00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:58.000 I went there just last weekend and I was so astounded I had never seen it. 00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:01.000 The word is really getting around but it's a really special thing. 00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:03.000 They've been working on it for years at UNT. 00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:07.000 And so a lot of our questions about Denton are probably answerable in there. 00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:08.000 It was really cool. 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:12.000 I have a picture of my parents who went to a tiny college back 50 years ago. 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:13.000 That picture I've never seen. 00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:14.000 It's all kinds of stuff. 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:18.000 Belcher and Sybil's Bend I was doing all of that. 00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:20.000 It had everything you wanted to know about these ghost towns and stuff. 00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:21.000 That was cool. 00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:22.000 Exactly. 00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:23.000 So, yeah, that's great. 00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:24.000 Yeah. 00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:26.000 It should be a really interesting look, Sharon. 00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:27.000 Yes. 00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:34.000 There's the timing was a little earlier. 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:35.000 Yes, I know. 00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:36.000 Let's see. 00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:38.000 Do we have any other? 00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:40.000 We finished all of our items. 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:45.000 Is there any new business that we haven't -- that we need to bring up? 00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:47.000 We've done all of the consideration. 00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:49.000 Is there anything else on here? 00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:51.000 Does anybody have a motion? 00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:53.000 I move we adjourn. 00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:54.000 Second. 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:55.000 Thank you. 00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:56.000 Excellent. 00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:57.000 Thank you. 00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:58.000 Well done, everybody.