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 Good afternoon and welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission meeting for

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 Wednesday December 12, 2018.

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 This is our work session and I will call us to order with a quorum present at 4.35 p.m.

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 First item on the agenda is clarification of agenda items, so I will defer to Richard

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 if we have changes with that.

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 Just one change, item D, the CDP Bravo, they've actually withdrawn their application so that

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 item will not be heard.

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 So really under public hearings, we just have the tree code and then the Oak Gateway plan.

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 So we can stay in order as we have it.

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 Okay.

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 Very good.

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 Let's go to minutes.

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 Discussion on minutes?

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 November 14th?

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 Nothing?

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 Okay.

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 November 28th, I did have an issue and I guess Jerry, I need to defer to you on that.

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 So in the minutes, it talks about the public hearing being left open for the discussion

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 item on the tree code, but nothing is mentioned in the minutes about the public hearing being

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 open.

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 So I don't know.

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 You know, if it wasn't ever open, then, you know, that -- there was nothing to close.

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 And so we would have to have, you know, a public hearing at another time, as opposed

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 to for a public hearing tonight.

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 It is.

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 And there's no requirement to have two public hearings.

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 We could go forward with that if that's the way that's pursued.

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 So shall we open the public hearing tonight, then, when we do it?

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 Is that what you're planning on doing?

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 Yes.

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 Okay.

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 So we'll open the public hearing tonight.

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 Okay.

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 Do we need to revise anything in the minutes?

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 I think that what you would -- tell me again what it says about open.

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 It lists the agenda item in the minutes.

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 And in there, it says the chair did not close the public hearing.

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 However, the chair never opened the public hearing, apparently.

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 Well, that sounds like it's accurate.

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 Isn't that correct?

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 Well, okay.

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 Because he never closed.

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 Never closed something that wasn't open anyway.

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 If it says that the hearing was never open, that's an accurate reflection of the events,

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 is it not?

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 Well, the minutes don't state that the public hearing was ever open.

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 It just says he didn't close the public hearing.

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 Oh, okay.

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 Well, why don't we revise the minutes to show --

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 Can we eliminate that sentence?

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 We could.

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 Sure.

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 Yeah.

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 Okay.

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 Right.

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 Okay.

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 Then we'll vote on those separate anyway, I believe.

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 And so then we can make a motion that removes that sentence in there.

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 Does that work?

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 Okay.

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 Okay, that moves us to consent, where we have preliminary plat.

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 Anybody have anything on A?

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 Nothing.

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 No?

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 Okay.

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 How about our final plat for Robeson, item B?

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 All good there?

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 Nothing.

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 Okey-dokey.

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 Then that moves us right on to public hearings, where item A has been postponed until January

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 9th.

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 Item B.

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 Do we want to go back through work session, or?

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 What do you all think?

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 That's our tree code discussion, landscape discussion.

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 Do we need to bring up discussion here?

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 Commissioner Beck?

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 I would vote no.

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 I think we heard a lot last week, and we're going to hear the whole thing tonight, along

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 with the public, which would be a good time, then, to probe.

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 So I would vote not no on a work session hearing on it.

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 Does anybody else have specific discussion?

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 Do we not have one other presentation regarding --

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 Gateway?

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 No, water and wastewater design.

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 Those are our work session items, which we'll get to after clarifying the agenda.

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 So we have something that can fill the time between here and 630, right?

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 Otherwise, maybe we ought to do the tree code, I don't know.

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 Okay.

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 Thanks.

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 Okay.

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 So we don't need that.

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 Okay.

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 Then let's move to our Oak Gateway discussion, which we have not heard, so let's bring up

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 Ron for that.

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 All right.

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 Talking about filling in time, this will fill up the time.

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 Madam Chair, members of the commission, I'm excited to present to you all a presentation

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 on the Oak Gateway area plan, something that the Oak Gateway Steering Committee has been

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 working on for over a year or plus.

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 So this is a great time to just show what we've done, and hopefully we get a recommendation,

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 and if you have any questions, please do so.

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 Please ask.

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 So just as for the agenda on the presentation, really just discuss the purpose, a little

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 bit of history about the area, background about how we got to the small area plan planning,

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 and then go into the steering committee that was created, talk about some of the meetings

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 that they've held, all the public outreach efforts that was done in concert with the

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 public meetings, and then really just dive into the draft vision recommendation goals

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 and the implementation strategy.

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 So the purpose of this small area plan is really kind of born out of the comprehensive

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 plan.

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 In the DEN Plan 2030, there's the vision statement.

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 Within that vision statement, in 2030, we see the city as having a sense of community

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 where shared values, where we welcome arrivals, and celebrating growing diversity.

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 We also see establishing neighborhoods where revitalization and compatibility is a big

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 part of it, and you'll see that as part of the recommendation, revitalizing the area,

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 and then looking at any new development that is compatible with developments in the area

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 as well.

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 The DEN Plan 2030 also has a certain number of goals and actions.

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 I pulled this off our community character element, where it talks about the creation of small

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 area plans to preserve and to enhance the character of a district or areas.

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 Also looking at the neighborhood university compatibility area, and that is the area shown

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 here.

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 This is our land use map of the subject area plan, where the lighter blue is the neighborhood

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 compatibility area.

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 The dark blue is the University of North Texas.

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 You have low residential future land use to the north.

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 You've got some commercial along I-35, and some community mix use along Fort Worth and

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 Carroll.

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 I'm just going to show you where those are related to the Oak Gateway Area Plan, but

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 again, Action 4-12-2, create a neighborhood university compatibility area, small area

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 plans.

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 That's really the direction that we've used in moving forward with this area plan.

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 I think you all know this area.

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 This is the square, the courthouse shown here.

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 This was done, the rendering back in 1883, a pretty neat illustration.

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 What this illustrates is that to the west of downtown, you see that there's really nothing

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 there.

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 And as the city grew, it grew everywhere, but mainly to the west as part of the university,

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 which is now University of North Texas, prior to that it was called North Normal College.

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 Texas Normal College and Teacher Training Institute was what was established back in

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 the 1800s and 1890.

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 In fact, it started in downtown and moved west when they got a little bit bigger and

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 needed the space.

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 What this shows here, the 1950 aerial, which is kind of cool to look at as well, is my

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 thing is you see the sidewalks and the streets, they really show.

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 And then the university by 1950 has already developed a number of buildings.

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 Further west, you see Bonnie Bray further out.

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 This is what we often refer to as Cement City.

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 Not fully built, apartments weren't there yet.

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 But by 1960, you start to see more and more development towards west.

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 The other thing that you don't see here is I-35.

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 I-35 doesn't show up until 1957.

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 So the area as it grew really didn't have any impediments until the highway came in.

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 But again, that came in, and let me just go one more slide over.

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 That came in around 1957, and you see that it divided the area to the north is UNT, and

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 then obviously to the south is some undeveloped area and the Deenia area as well.

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 1972 aerial shows I-35W coming in, so things were coming forward.

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 I did skip this slide here.

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 I just wanted to add this slide to kind of give, again, the context of the area.

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 The campus was served, and this area was served by a trolley system.

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 I don't know if everybody knew that.

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 It started from the train depot where the train station is currently, made its way towards

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 the downtown on Hickory, went up Elm, and then west on Oak Street.

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 And this photo, the top photo that is, shows the trolley traveling on Oak Street.

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 And then heading south a little bit here, I think it's before, maybe Welch, and then

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 on Hickory again, and then Avenue C is where it heads south, and it heads south to south

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 of the freeway, but the freeway wasn't there before, to a place, a park, Highland Park

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 is what it was called.

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 So that was the terminus, and obviously then it went back the other way.

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 So that's pretty neat, right?

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 This area was served by a trolley system, and of course the university was one major

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 pull for that system.

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 Okay, so back in around 2016, there was a development, a proposed mixed-use development.

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 Some of you probably are familiar with this one.

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 It was off of Hickory Street, between Hickory and Oak.

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 The proposed development ultimately did not get approved.

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 What they were seeking was an amendment to the overlay district, which towards the end

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 wasn't heading in their direction.

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 They withdrew their application, so this project never went forward.

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 But through that process, they heard from the citizens and heard some of the concerns,

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 and the concerns were traffic, parking, compatibility with the area, noise, and safety.

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 So from that, staff started to look at, well, you know, if this is an area that's going

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 to see more of these types of developments, how can we be proactive and address some of

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 those concerns?

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 We looked at the small area plan, the Fry Street small area plan, and that area is shown

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 here in red, a very small portion compared to the overall area plan.

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 The Oak gateway area plan is the larger dark area, which is delineated by this dark black

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 line here.

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 And really, the reason why we went this large, I know there's been some discussion, well,

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 this is not really a small area plan.

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 Really, the planning study area encompassed this larger area because we saw that the future

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 land use plan identified these neighborhood compatibility, neighborhood university compatibility

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 area that does not just stay, not just in this area, but also to the west and also to

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 the east and south.

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 We also saw the development pressure not just happening in this area, we saw it to the west,

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 and we also saw it to the south, so it made sense to expand that area.

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 Areas of concern was to the north, we wanted to make sure we protected those neighborhoods,

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 so we included that in our study area, our planning study area, so north of the historic

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 districts were areas of concern.

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 And again, we wanted to look at ways to be proactive, and so potential overlay, special

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 purpose overlay districts, we wanted to make sure that we knew where they were, we should

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 propose them, and so this area served that purpose.

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 We also know that UNT is growing.

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 We know that in 2018, they're around 39,000, they're projected to grow up to 44,000, and

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 by 2030, that's 5,000 more students in the next 11 years.

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 That's not far away, that's another 5,000 cars, another 5,000 units or whatever housing

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 that they're going to need, so something that we need to look at as we propose or we look

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 at this area plan.

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 So the small area plan update was the result.

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 Council directed staff back in January of 2016 to start looking at how we can be proactive

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 and identify an area and look at where we can be looking at more area plans or overlay

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 districts.

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 On May 2017, there was a big gap there between January 2016 and May 2017.

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 There was a lot of going back and forth with City Council.

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 There was a lot of trying to understand what needed to be done.

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 Ultimately, Council directed staff to go forward with an area plan.

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 The Oak Gateway area plan was set forward in September of 2017, later that year, and

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 then November, we had our first committee meeting with the steering committee, and this

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 was our first meeting held at a church in the area plan.

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 We started out with 24 members, a fairly large number.

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 You see the representation or the stakes that each one held.

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 They were residents, they were bicyclists, they were business owners, property owners,

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 folks that represented UNT, so we had a wide representation.

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 Currently, our chair is Patrice Lik, who will be here during the public hearing and be making

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 some of the presentation, as well as Kim McGimmon, who is our vice chair, and they currently

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 serve as the chair and vice chair for the committee.

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 Throughout the process, we just didn't have enough folks attend out of the 24, and honestly,

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 it was something that we needed to ensure that we had quorum.

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 We ultimately went back to City Council, and that number was reduced to 17, so these folks

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 that are listed here are the 17 members currently that serve on this steering committee.

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 Throughout the year, a year and four months, however, was we had over 20 meetings.

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 We met at the Development Services Center on an almost weekly basis, give or take.

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 So we started the process, learned about what the issues, confirmed those issues, and then

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 started documenting those.

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 We also did area plan tours, where we actually went on site, and not just worked in the vacuum,

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 we actually drove around, looked at all the different areas.

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 In addition to doing area plan tours, we also did some walking tours.

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 With Mark Oliphant here, he helped guide that process or guide that walking tour, and we

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 actually walked the area, so it was eye-opening in some respects.

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 We also heard from the public, so we made sure that we had a good amount of public input.

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 Our first effort was through a community workshop, where over 125 people attended, and that was

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 one of the largest attendees that I've ever been part of.

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 I remember it was a February, it was raining, it was cold, I was like, "Oh, no one's going

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 to show up."

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 You know, next thing you know, the place was full of people.

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 We had sign-in sheets, and I think in part of your backup, there's the sign-in sheet

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 that shows who was there.

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 We ran out of sign-in sheets, so it was a great event.

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 We heard a lot of what their concerns were, and so we made sure that we wanted to address

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 that when we made our recommendations.

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 In November of this year, not too long ago, just a month ago, we held a public open house,

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 and really that open house was to share what the committee has put together.

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 We confirmed a lot of the recommendations.

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 We heard some comments.

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 For the most part, they were mostly in favor of all recommendations.

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 There was nothing very significantly different, and at that meeting, we had over 40 people

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 attend.

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 Okay, so the area plan is a very large area, and to the credit to the committee, we made

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 sure that, well, they made sure that we wanted to identify certain areas, and those are shown

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 here in three sub-areas.

00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:51.720
 We have the sub-area one, which is north of Hickory Street, sub-area two is west of the

00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:59.840
 campus or UNT, and we also have sub-area three, which is the area to the east and to the south.

00:18:59.840 --> 00:19:05.580
 Each of these areas has a vision statement, and the vision statement for sub-area one

00:19:05.580 --> 00:19:12.360
 is an area that has a stable, walkable neighborhood in which to live, work, and play, a place

00:19:12.360 --> 00:19:15.920
 in which the area's historic character is celebrated.

00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:19.000
 We know that there's two historic districts in this area.

00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:25.040
 We have the West Oak Historic District, and we also have the Oak Hickory Historic District.

00:19:25.040 --> 00:19:30.280
 It's celebrated and preserved while allowing opportunities for, again, revitalization that

00:19:30.280 --> 00:19:34.440
 is contextually compatible in use, scale, and design.

00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:39.200
 So that is the vision for sub-area one.

00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:43.920
 Sub-area two is a little bit different, different from sub-area one, sub-area two is an area

00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:50.880
 that has housing that is affordable for low to moderate income families with livable neighborhoods,

00:19:50.880 --> 00:19:54.600
 and that's something that the committee would like to see continued.

00:19:54.600 --> 00:20:00.640
 That includes improved community services, multimodal infrastructure, more green, quality

00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:05.000
 green spaces, and just to encourage community cohesiveness.

00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:12.480
 So that was the vision, or is the vision proposed for the area two.

00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:16.400
 Area three, again, a little bit different from sub-area two and one.

00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:21.760
 It's an area that preserves the revitalization, or revitalizes the mixed-use neighborhood

00:20:21.760 --> 00:20:28.560
 for families and students that preserves and builds upon the existing housing options.

00:20:28.560 --> 00:20:32.480
 There's a number of different housing options there, and we'd like to see that continue,

00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:39.680
 and that incorporates all the other things that we saw in others, the open spaces, the

00:20:39.680 --> 00:20:45.560
 intermodal infrastructure that we saw in sub-area two.

00:20:45.560 --> 00:20:52.080
 And then we had a vision for the entire area plan, because those were primarily those sub-areas.

00:20:52.080 --> 00:20:55.920
 The area plan vision was more comprehensive.

00:20:55.920 --> 00:21:01.740
 It's a place that has a stable, walkable area in which to live, work, and play, where existing

00:21:01.740 --> 00:21:09.280
 neighborhoods are protected and enhance, again, revitalization, reinvestment is two key terms

00:21:09.280 --> 00:21:15.420
 here, projects that are compatible, again, back to our comprehensive plan, in use, scale,

00:21:15.420 --> 00:21:16.420
 and design.

00:21:16.420 --> 00:21:22.560
 So those are the visions for each sub-area, as well as the overall area plan.

00:21:22.560 --> 00:21:25.760
 Does anybody have any questions before we get to the goals?

00:21:25.760 --> 00:21:27.480
 Commissioner Beck.

00:21:27.480 --> 00:21:32.120
 Thank you, Chair, Vice Chair.

00:21:32.120 --> 00:21:39.560
 As far as, well, maybe I should wait till after goals, but a couple of thoughts come

00:21:39.560 --> 00:21:43.920
 to mind here with the vision statements.

00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:51.400
 Cement City comes especially with looking ahead there.

00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:52.400
 Zone changes.

00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:53.400
 Were they discussed?

00:21:53.400 --> 00:22:01.300
 I mean, is that going to be part of what needs to be discussed to accomplish the vision statements

00:22:01.300 --> 00:22:03.560
 and perhaps the goals that you're going ahead?

00:22:03.560 --> 00:22:04.560
 Yes.

00:22:04.560 --> 00:22:05.560
 Exactly that, Larry.

00:22:05.560 --> 00:22:06.560
 Commissioner Beck, that is.

00:22:06.560 --> 00:22:13.040
 We looked at the vision and how to ultimately apply that vision.

00:22:13.040 --> 00:22:16.400
 We need to make sure that we have our recommendations in line.

00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:17.400
 Okay.

00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:21.920
 So those recommendations is part of your backup, and they are listed.

00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:23.660
 We won't touch all of it.

00:22:23.660 --> 00:22:29.000
 We will just touch the ones that we need, that we are referring to as catalyst projects,

00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:32.120
 the really short-term ongoing projects.

00:22:32.120 --> 00:22:37.840
 But overall, yes, these visions, if in order to meet them, they're going to have to have

00:22:37.840 --> 00:22:40.120
 recommendations that support that vision.

00:22:40.120 --> 00:22:41.120
 Great.

00:22:41.120 --> 00:22:42.120
 Thanks.

00:22:42.120 --> 00:22:43.120
 Commissioner Burnetta.

00:22:43.120 --> 00:22:49.160
 Yeah, I have a question, and when we talk about, you know, referring to Cement City,

00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:54.080
 one of the things that we talk about is basically affordable housing right now.

00:22:54.080 --> 00:22:57.320
 And I don't know if this would fall in the purview of what, you know, what we're laying

00:22:57.320 --> 00:23:02.960
 out in terms of a plan goes, but the complaint we get from a lot of people who live in the

00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:09.340
 area around the university is the, you know, proliferation of SROs, you know, single room

00:23:09.340 --> 00:23:10.960
 occupancies, right?

00:23:10.960 --> 00:23:15.000
 And you know, I've talked to students, I've talked to, you know, basically what they,

00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:17.520
 you know, about what they pay and these things.

00:23:17.520 --> 00:23:25.240
 And the move towards that seems to be drastically inflating the price of housing there.

00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:30.080
 You know, you have an apartment that would normally rent for about, you know, $1,000

00:23:30.080 --> 00:23:33.520
 to a family in a two bedroom, but when you go to a single room occupancy, it's rented

00:23:33.520 --> 00:23:36.600
 out for like, you know, $700 per person and everything.

00:23:36.600 --> 00:23:41.640
 So they basically, they're paying for a room plus a shared space, but basically what you've

00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:47.000
 done at that point is, you know, increase that property value by about $400.

00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:54.960
 And I know that that's a preferable plan for developers and for owners in that area, but

00:23:54.960 --> 00:24:01.600
 my fear is that by allowing, you know, those to become more ubiquitous, what we're doing

00:24:01.600 --> 00:24:07.040
 is inflating the price all the way around for families and for, you know, people who

00:24:07.040 --> 00:24:11.200
 can't afford to own, we're actually now starting to price them out of renting.

00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:17.440
 Is there any plan for discussing, I guess, limits on, you know, the areas in which we

00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:21.480
 can put, you know, SROs in or anything that we can do to address that going forward to

00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:23.720
 make sure that we maintain affordability?

00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:26.760
 So two points if I can address that comment.

00:24:26.760 --> 00:24:33.240
 The steering committee members felt the same way, and that's why you see the vision that

00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:40.680
 we want to see this continue as an opportunity for housing affordable, housing that is affordable,

00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:41.680
 right?

00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:46.920
 When you talk about SROs or collegiate housing, whatever term that we're using, there is,

00:24:46.920 --> 00:24:51.840
 there was a city council meeting where we talked about, is this a separate use?

00:24:51.840 --> 00:24:52.840
 How do we address this?

00:24:52.840 --> 00:24:53.840
 What should they be?

00:24:53.840 --> 00:24:54.960
 All of that.

00:24:54.960 --> 00:25:01.600
 And from that discussion with city council, we're going back to provide them with more

00:25:01.600 --> 00:25:04.560
 information and options on how to address it, staff is.

00:25:04.560 --> 00:25:07.800
 I believe it's scheduled for some time in January.

00:25:07.800 --> 00:25:12.960
 So yes, you're right, it's a problem, and we're working on it.

00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:20.120
 The area plan does identify that sort of concern, and we have set recommendations or proposed

00:25:20.120 --> 00:25:27.520
 recommendations that will hopefully address some of the affordability in this area.

00:25:27.520 --> 00:25:30.920
 Thank you.

00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:37.640
 If I could, I just want to make sure, because the last part of the question was to promote

00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:46.800
 affordability, and I want to make sure that I do respond to that, that there are goals

00:25:46.800 --> 00:25:54.840
 that go along with zoning regulations, and it's not a direct impact upon the price of

00:25:54.840 --> 00:26:01.160
 rent in the community, and I want to make sure that we don't have any misunderstanding

00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:04.480
 of the tail wagging the dog, as it were.

00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:15.600
 What we are really looking at here are things like density, appropriateness to adjacent

00:26:15.600 --> 00:26:21.880
 areas and lot size, lot types, uses, things of that nature.

00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:29.520
 Some of those could bear indirectly upon affordability, but don't necessarily do that, and I don't

00:26:29.520 --> 00:26:36.320
 think that this could really be used as a catalyst for, say, rent control if that were

00:26:36.320 --> 00:26:37.320
 to be proposed.

00:26:37.320 --> 00:26:43.920
 What we're really talking about here is a plan for zoning and development regulations

00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:53.120
 that might indirectly bear on that, and in the course of looking at those, it's important

00:26:53.120 --> 00:27:02.600
 to look at the actual benefits and the detriments of certain types of housing rather than to

00:27:02.600 --> 00:27:11.320
 begin with a conclusion that SROs are bad, therefore we want them gone.

00:27:11.320 --> 00:27:15.640
 What types of uses are negatively impact property values?

00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:21.680
 What kind of uses negatively impact health, safety, quality of life?

00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:27.920
 What have you and justify it in terms that are supportable and recognizable through zoning

00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:29.280
 regulations?

00:27:29.280 --> 00:27:33.040
 Thank you, Chair.

00:27:33.040 --> 00:27:38.120
 And Commissioner Preneta, we will talk about the goals coming up, and hopefully that would

00:27:38.120 --> 00:27:46.040
 kind of summarize a little bit what the committee was considering or proposing as far as goals

00:27:46.040 --> 00:27:48.200
 for the area specifically.

00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:51.960
 So we'll start with area one, and then we'll get to area two, but area one, as you heard

00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:55.520
 from the vision, is to really protect the historic context of the area.

00:27:55.520 --> 00:28:03.400
 So we broke up the goals by five categories, land use, community design, mobility, parking,

00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:04.840
 and services.

00:28:04.840 --> 00:28:09.400
 So the future land, I'm sorry, the land use goals for area one.

00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:15.360
 I won't read them all, but really to protect the historic districts, there was a goal to

00:28:15.360 --> 00:28:18.760
 create more businesses along Scripture Street.

00:28:18.760 --> 00:28:23.480
 They felt that that was an area that could see neighborhood services, again, along Scripture.

00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:24.840
 Not the whole Scripture.

00:28:24.840 --> 00:28:28.480
 We're looking at Gober Street and Ponder Avenue.

00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:35.160
 Create more businesses along Oak and Hickory, and that again is within area one.

00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:41.840
 We're looking at between Welch and Avenue B, that area, because we know that the other

00:28:41.840 --> 00:28:47.520
 areas on Oak and Hickory are residential, so we identified some areas there.

00:28:47.520 --> 00:28:52.400
 Community design goals is protect the neighborhood by ensuring revitalization and reinvestment.

00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:56.760
 Again, the word compatible is throughout this document.

00:28:56.760 --> 00:29:03.280
 Improving attractive neighborhoods and streets through street amenities and other improvements.

00:29:03.280 --> 00:29:09.400
 Mobility, there's a lot of people that walk in area one, right?

00:29:09.400 --> 00:29:14.440
 So provide safe and accessible sidewalks and crosswalks.

00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:21.220
 Improve the mobility in the area, both pedestrian, bicycle-less as well, and transit.

00:29:21.220 --> 00:29:26.120
 There are some recommendations that involve DCTA, and that's covered in your backup.

00:29:26.120 --> 00:29:28.360
 Do some traffic signal operations.

00:29:28.360 --> 00:29:33.960
 So it may be where the light needs to be, just a little bit more conducive to the need

00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:38.160
 for a longer light for people across the street, for example.

00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:43.560
 Parking, that's one of the probably the biggest concerns and issues that we hear for this

00:29:43.560 --> 00:29:44.560
 area.

00:29:44.560 --> 00:29:45.560
 What do we need to do?

00:29:45.560 --> 00:29:53.020
 Well, we should implement a strategic parking plan or program, and that actually is something

00:29:53.020 --> 00:29:58.660
 that we will discuss in later slides on how we do that.

00:29:58.660 --> 00:30:01.480
 Develop a visibility marketing program.

00:30:01.480 --> 00:30:06.040
 That's basically economic development, making sure that this area, as we start looking at

00:30:06.040 --> 00:30:12.560
 additional developments or just historic districts, make it more visible.

00:30:12.560 --> 00:30:18.640
 Create businesses, we talked about already along Hickory and Scripture, and how do we

00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:23.280
 retain those businesses?

00:30:23.280 --> 00:30:26.540
 So that's all of sub-area one.

00:30:26.540 --> 00:30:32.880
 Sub-area two, this is again the area west of the University of North Texas.

00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:37.520
 The first land use goal here, support existing housing in the area.

00:30:37.520 --> 00:30:43.160
 That means that if there is an opportunity to revitalize it, to improve it, because we

00:30:43.160 --> 00:30:44.160
 know that area.

00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:45.160
 I think people know that area.

00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:51.880
 There's areas, there's some buildings that we need to work on, and the city, the state,

00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:55.560
 the federal, there's grants, there's opportunities for funding.

00:30:55.560 --> 00:31:01.640
 So if we can support that existing housing structure or stock in that area, let's do

00:31:01.640 --> 00:31:02.640
 that.

00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:07.600
 Identify and prioritize, again, neighborhood revitalization and reinvestment.

00:31:07.600 --> 00:31:09.320
 You're going to hear that again over and over.

00:31:09.320 --> 00:31:11.920
 Again, that's a key term.

00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:15.140
 Improve multimodal infrastructure along Bonnie Bray.

00:31:15.140 --> 00:31:20.840
 One of the opportunities that we have with area two is that Bonnie Bray is being widened,

00:31:20.840 --> 00:31:23.280
 as we speak, as we all know.

00:31:23.280 --> 00:31:28.600
 And there is an opportunity to create more sidewalks, wider sidewalks, bicycle lanes,

00:31:28.600 --> 00:31:32.000
 protected bicycle lanes, linear parks.

00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:36.880
 As that widening project moves forward, there will be opportunities, and we should take

00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:39.360
 advantage of that.

00:31:39.360 --> 00:31:41.320
 Increase open space.

00:31:41.320 --> 00:31:44.840
 They don't call it cement city because there's a lot of open space, right?

00:31:44.840 --> 00:31:46.600
 There's a need for open space.

00:31:46.600 --> 00:31:50.960
 So the committee wanted to make sure that there's recommendations that support more

00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:51.960
 open space.

00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:57.600
 In fact, I've forwarded these recommendations to our Parks Department, and they are in favor

00:31:57.600 --> 00:32:00.800
 or in agreement with all these recommendations.

00:32:00.800 --> 00:32:04.080
 They didn't see anything wrong with them.

00:32:04.080 --> 00:32:08.640
 Mobility, that area, pedestrian and bicycle circulation.

00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:11.040
 I drove that area, I've driven that area.

00:32:11.040 --> 00:32:14.640
 There's no sidewalks, rarely any sidewalks.

00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:16.980
 So how do we improve that?

00:32:16.980 --> 00:32:20.160
 There's recommendations that deal with that.

00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:22.000
 How do we make it more safer?

00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:26.380
 Lighting, other things that we can do, that's all covered.

00:32:26.380 --> 00:32:30.000
 Create more access, again, connectivity to major destinations.

00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:36.000
 We see this as a pass from the university to raise a ranch, potentially, or to the hospital.

00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:37.800
 There's ways we can improve connectivity.

00:32:37.800 --> 00:32:43.200
 Again, DCTA was consulted, increased ridership in the area.

00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:48.560
 There's a lot of students, but there's also other, you know, cohorts there that travel

00:32:48.560 --> 00:32:53.440
 that need transit, and so we want to make sure that those are provided to them as well.

00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:59.680
 Parking, another area that sees parking impacting that area.

00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:05.520
 Same goal in that we want to provide a comprehensive strategic parking action plan.

00:33:05.520 --> 00:33:13.660
 Revitalize, again, reinvest in the area, and also to improve the visual and perceived image.

00:33:13.660 --> 00:33:17.560
 That's going to be difficult, but that's something that we should set a goal for.

00:33:17.560 --> 00:33:19.760
 >> Commissioner Beck.

00:33:19.760 --> 00:33:22.680
 >> Thank you, Vice Chair.

00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:27.520
 Let me stop before you go into sub area three.

00:33:27.520 --> 00:33:35.440
 Share with us if you can, because my view of this area is not one where I see it being

00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:37.840
 necessarily family-oriented.

00:33:37.840 --> 00:33:46.840
 I see this more an area that should accommodate couples, single people, students, mainly.

00:33:46.840 --> 00:33:55.160
 So did you get a sense in your meeting that family living would work better in sub areas

00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:57.160
 one and three as opposed to this?

00:33:57.160 --> 00:33:59.360
 Was there a sense that?

00:33:59.360 --> 00:34:02.960
 >> We, as far as the backup, you know, there was some background information in each of

00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:03.960
 the sub areas.

00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:07.720
 And it's my understanding that there are some families in here now.

00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:09.400
 Is it more conducive for them?

00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:11.400
 You know, that is not a question I can answer.

00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:14.640
 I would like to see a diversity in the area.

00:34:14.640 --> 00:34:21.000
 So a mix of residents, students, and other, you know, age groups as well.

00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:27.800
 >> Well, and I don't -- but I guess what I'm asking, was there any sense conveyed in your

00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:32.460
 meetings that this area wasn't conducive to families?

00:34:32.460 --> 00:34:39.360
 >> I don't think that was overwhelmingly in that direction.

00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:45.680
 We recognize the diversity, we recognize the housing affordability, those are the main

00:34:45.680 --> 00:34:46.680
 things that we discussed.

00:34:46.680 --> 00:34:51.120
 But as far as specifically, you know, this is conducive for families, we didn't really

00:34:51.120 --> 00:34:52.600
 spend much time on that.

00:34:52.600 --> 00:34:53.600
 >> Okay.

00:34:53.600 --> 00:34:54.600
 Thanks.

00:34:54.600 --> 00:34:59.720
 >> Sub area three, and just to remind you, is that eastern and southern portion just

00:34:59.720 --> 00:35:05.760
 east and south of the University of North Texas, there is a housing stock there that we know

00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:07.360
 has been there for some time.

00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:12.240
 So we felt -- when I say we, the steering committee, felt that that's an area that should

00:35:12.240 --> 00:35:18.100
 be protected, support existing housing in that area, maintain the single family and

00:35:18.100 --> 00:35:19.100
 multi-family.

00:35:19.100 --> 00:35:20.100
 There's a mix there.

00:35:20.100 --> 00:35:24.960
 We want to make sure that we continue to keep that balance, create businesses along Eagle

00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:25.960
 Drive.

00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:28.800
 So that was another corridor that they identified, which I think is obvious, right?

00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:34.640
 Eagle Drive, we want to make sure that that continues as a commercial corridor.

00:35:34.640 --> 00:35:38.560
 Community design goals is to just return to a sense of community.

00:35:38.560 --> 00:35:44.600
 There's been a number of folks mentioning to me that this was a -- it is a community,

00:35:44.600 --> 00:35:46.960
 and we need to make sure that that continues.

00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:48.640
 And then preserve the character.

00:35:48.640 --> 00:35:52.920
 There's a lot of character in that area, not just the housing, but just in the area as

00:35:52.920 --> 00:36:01.320
 far as, you know, where people go and, you know, shop.

00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:02.320
 There's really not much.

00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:05.240
 You know, that's why we want to make sure we bring back that character that was once

00:36:05.240 --> 00:36:06.640
 there.

00:36:06.640 --> 00:36:08.320
 Mobility.

00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:18.400
 This was actually an area that we felt that could be where more gateways be introduced,

00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:27.280
 primarily along the Avenue A or the area just south of the subarea.

00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:30.120
 I'm blanking on the name of the -- what's Avenue A?

00:36:30.120 --> 00:36:31.920
 What's the other -- McCormick.

00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:36.800
 Sorry, thank you, transportation engineer.

00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:37.800
 Thank you.

00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:38.800
 McCormick.

00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:43.280
 That would be an area that we can see a gateway introduce as it leads into the area.

00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:46.720
 Of course, UNT as well, but the area.

00:36:46.720 --> 00:36:52.960
 Improved traffic signal operations, back again, traffic safety, improved protection.

00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:56.520
 You've seen that throughout the subarea 1 and 2.

00:36:56.520 --> 00:36:58.060
 Improved parking.

00:36:58.060 --> 00:37:01.280
 There are areas here that have issues with parking.

00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:07.080
 Fannin specifically, if you know that area, Fannin sees a lot of students parking on Fannin

00:37:07.080 --> 00:37:08.080
 Street.

00:37:08.080 --> 00:37:10.560
 And then create more neighborhood services.

00:37:10.560 --> 00:37:15.280
 What I was trying to get to is that there are neighborhood services that are lacking

00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:20.000
 and we want to create more, and that goes back to the character of the area.

00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:24.520
 Overall, we also had goals for the entire area.

00:37:24.520 --> 00:37:29.520
 A lot of this is probably repeats of what we already heard.

00:37:29.520 --> 00:37:35.720
 Protect established neighborhoods, promote economic development, support the diversity

00:37:35.720 --> 00:37:42.520
 in lane use patterns, improve our streets, our streetscapes, our corridors, create more

00:37:42.520 --> 00:37:48.360
 open space, trails and connections between areas.

00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:49.360
 Mobility goals.

00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:52.920
 Again, those linkages that we just discussed.

00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:58.200
 Continue the coordination with not only the neighborhoods and university, but other agencies

00:37:58.200 --> 00:38:00.160
 as well.

00:38:00.160 --> 00:38:05.800
 Reduce the congestion in the transportation and expand the transportation options.

00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:11.680
 Not much that you can do there because pretty much built out, but if we can add transit,

00:38:11.680 --> 00:38:16.480
 other ways of getting around the area, we should.

00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:17.480
 Parking.

00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:21.000
 Develop a parking action plan.

00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:25.280
 Develop a parking action plan that is based on community input.

00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:33.040
 And then just promote that mixed use design as we look at these corridors.

00:38:33.040 --> 00:38:34.680
 Services.

00:38:34.680 --> 00:38:36.660
 Create comprehensive funding mechanism.

00:38:36.660 --> 00:38:38.080
 This is not going to pay for itself.

00:38:38.080 --> 00:38:41.160
 We want to make sure that we have those in place.

00:38:41.160 --> 00:38:44.440
 Now TIFF has been thrown around.

00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:51.240
 There are other ways of funding improvements, but again, these are just recommendations.

00:38:51.240 --> 00:38:57.400
 We also have, you know, when we talk about coordination, we already discussed this, UNT,

00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:00.600
 the city and the neighborhoods.

00:39:00.600 --> 00:39:03.440
 Business owners, property owners.

00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:07.160
 Improve the image and enhance the neighborhoods.

00:39:07.160 --> 00:39:12.240
 Create a wide range of housing that's affordable.

00:39:12.240 --> 00:39:17.020
 Options that, you know, most folks have the ability to choose.

00:39:17.020 --> 00:39:22.320
 And then just create facilities and programs that serve the study area.

00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:23.640
 So those are the goals.

00:39:23.640 --> 00:39:29.280
 They're pretty -- when you look at them, they're pretty similar, but very specific in some

00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:30.280
 respects.

00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:31.280
 >> All good?

00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:32.280
 >> Yes.

00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:33.280
 >> Okay.

00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:34.280
 A couple questions for you.

00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:35.280
 Thank you, Vice Chair.

00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:42.640
 I guess just some context, Ron, did you -- did anybody talk to the leadership Denton class

00:39:42.640 --> 00:39:43.640
 of '32?

00:39:43.640 --> 00:39:46.320
 Leadership Denton '32?

00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:48.320
 >> We did not, no.

00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:49.320
 >> Okay.

00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:52.560
 If there's still some conversation to be had with the committee, I would encourage you

00:39:52.560 --> 00:39:54.000
 guys to do that.

00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:55.000
 >> Okay.

00:39:55.000 --> 00:40:03.200
 >> Leadership Denton class '32, which would have been 2016 and 2017, their project was

00:40:03.200 --> 00:40:05.420
 affordable housing in Denton.

00:40:05.420 --> 00:40:14.480
 And there was a very intensive real estate analysis that was done and looking at specifically

00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:18.440
 how do we solve the affordable housing issue in Denton.

00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:24.160
 And a big thing that was identified was that all the variables that you could talk about,

00:40:24.160 --> 00:40:29.000
 you know, about how do you work with, you know, homeless population, how do you -- what

00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.560
 about rent control, what about all this other stuff.

00:40:31.560 --> 00:40:34.840
 Those variables were already kind of being talked about by a lot of people in the community,

00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:37.840
 but the student housing issue was not being talked about.

00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:38.840
 >> Okay.

00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:41.200
 >> And so that's where they focused.

00:40:41.200 --> 00:40:47.920
 And one of the recommendations that came out of that project was specifically looking at

00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:55.400
 this zip code of 76201 and realizing that there were -- the one thing that we did have

00:40:55.400 --> 00:41:02.000
 as an asset down that area was there still are large lots in comparison to areas like

00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:07.520
 the Pacific Northwest that have code that's written into the municipal laws that allow

00:41:07.520 --> 00:41:11.880
 for things like detached accessory dwelling units.

00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:17.560
 And essentially that recommendation that came for, hey, let's -- what about revising code

00:41:17.560 --> 00:41:24.000
 or utilizing DADUs to be able to increase density without increasing density, if that

00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:25.000
 makes sense.

00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:29.320
 Because where that project of that, you know, the apartment complex, I was supposed to come

00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:34.320
 in there, was, hey, build density where density is, and that's around the university.

00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:39.520
 But there was the fear of, well, if you build an apartment complex down there, trying to

00:41:39.520 --> 00:41:42.860
 -- you're going to take away from the structure of the neighborhood, and so the suggestion

00:41:42.860 --> 00:41:47.920
 was utilize DADUs just to -- mother-in-law suites, something built in the backyard that

00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:53.040
 spreads density evenly across the entire area but doesn't affect the character of the neighborhood.

00:41:53.040 --> 00:41:56.960
 And so I feel like that might be something that this committee would maybe want to look

00:41:56.960 --> 00:41:57.960
 into.

00:41:57.960 --> 00:41:58.960
 >> No, no, I appreciate that.

00:41:58.960 --> 00:41:59.960
 I'm guessing you were part of that.

00:41:59.960 --> 00:42:00.960
 >> I did the entire thing.

00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:01.960
 So that's me.

00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:02.960
 >> Yeah.

00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:03.960
 Oh.

00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:04.960
 >> Yeah.

00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:06.580
 So I'd love to talk more about it.

00:42:06.580 --> 00:42:12.080
 >> So just real quickly, one of the recommendations there is housing options, and one of those

00:42:12.080 --> 00:42:16.720
 housing options is those accessory dwelling units that's mentioned in the recommendation.

00:42:16.720 --> 00:42:20.880
 So we didn't talk to this group specifically, but I think what you're saying, what you're

00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:26.520
 referring to, generally we spoke of and also let you know that as we do the DEN Development

00:42:26.520 --> 00:42:30.900
 Code update, that's a big part of this effort as well.

00:42:30.900 --> 00:42:31.900
 >> Good.

00:42:31.900 --> 00:42:36.280
 No, I'd love to be able to offer my insight and background in that to be able to lead

00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:37.280
 some help.

00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:38.280
 >> Sure.

00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:40.920
 >> So I guess that really -- kind of just giving that background, the question that

00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:45.000
 I had, good to know that the DADU is coming in possibly with the development code and

00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:49.120
 that this was a discussion, at least during the committee.

00:42:49.120 --> 00:42:54.720
 When it comes to the overall area plan and kind of the goals you guys put out, I'm guessing

00:42:54.720 --> 00:42:58.040
 -- and I can't really see where the genesis of this all came from.

00:42:58.040 --> 00:43:03.640
 Was it -- was a lot of it, hey, we need to -- we need to protect the character.

00:43:03.640 --> 00:43:08.320
 We need to know how to smartly grow density in this area.

00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:12.200
 What was a lot of the -- kind of the very beginning genesis of all this?

00:43:12.200 --> 00:43:13.440
 >> I think it was both of that.

00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:15.040
 You know, really it was to protect.

00:43:15.040 --> 00:43:19.920
 Because remember, we started to see these development pressures come to the north side

00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:22.280
 of town or north side of the area plan.

00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:25.640
 >> There's more protection than it was intelligent growth, essentially.

00:43:25.640 --> 00:43:29.980
 >> I think a little bit of both, but the first initial reaction was protection.

00:43:29.980 --> 00:43:32.080
 But then where do we -- we know growth is coming.

00:43:32.080 --> 00:43:33.800
 We know the university is growing.

00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:36.620
 Where do we place these types of development?

00:43:36.620 --> 00:43:42.120
 And so it was then also to promote areas where they can go or should go.

00:43:42.120 --> 00:43:45.820
 And that was part of the reason why we started this effort.

00:43:45.820 --> 00:43:46.820
 >> Okay.

00:43:46.820 --> 00:43:48.120
 And then the last question I had.

00:43:48.120 --> 00:43:55.480
 You mentioned when we were talking about sub area two, about the accessibility of grants.

00:43:55.480 --> 00:43:59.920
 And I think of, once again, going back to the context that I gave earlier, a lot of

00:43:59.920 --> 00:44:05.440
 the areas we looked at, like places like San Francisco had this, Portland had this, New

00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:10.520
 York City had this, Austin had this, where some of the areas are really dilapidated like

00:44:10.520 --> 00:44:15.720
 cement city, and there was federal and state funding that was accessible.

00:44:15.720 --> 00:44:20.740
 While it -- we got rid of the dilapidated buildings, what ended up happening was it

00:44:20.740 --> 00:44:22.160
 encouraged gentrification.

00:44:22.160 --> 00:44:30.220
 And so was there conversation about how do we preserve and preserve and protect the character,

00:44:30.220 --> 00:44:33.960
 but also not throw honey out in the middle of the sidewalk and hope the bees show up

00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:34.960
 kind of thing?

00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:35.960
 Does that make sense?

00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:36.960
 >> Yeah, no, no.

00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:37.960
 That was a big --

00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:38.960
 >> Is it good now?

00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:39.960
 Do you like that?

00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:45.240
 >> That was a big discussion with the steering committee and the public input that we received

00:44:45.240 --> 00:44:51.760
 as well, is that we don't want to just redevelop, we want to reinvest, and that means that we're

00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:57.040
 not tearing things down and rebuilding, but rather work what we have there, specifically

00:44:57.040 --> 00:44:58.040
 in this area.

00:44:58.040 --> 00:44:59.040
 >> Okay.

00:44:59.040 --> 00:45:01.340
 >> So -- but they were concerned about that as well.

00:45:01.340 --> 00:45:07.240
 If you open it up, will that push out the other, you know, affordability or the other

00:45:07.240 --> 00:45:08.240
 type of housing?

00:45:08.240 --> 00:45:09.240
 >> Sure.

00:45:09.240 --> 00:45:12.760
 >> And they made sure that that was something that we didn't want to do.

00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:13.760
 >> Sure.

00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:14.760
 >> Commissioner Beck.

00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:15.760
 >> Thank you, Vice Chair.

00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:22.560
 I'd like to kind of just touch on something that Commissioner Smith mentioned in this

00:45:22.560 --> 00:45:23.560
 group.

00:45:23.560 --> 00:45:26.640
 I wasn't familiar with it, so I appreciate you bringing it to our attention.

00:45:26.640 --> 00:45:31.280
 But you mentioned there was a focus on student housing.

00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:37.840
 How is that looked at in terms of the university's responsibility versus city responsibility?

00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:38.840
 >> Sure.

00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:39.840
 >> Can you elaborate?

00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:40.840
 >> Yeah.

00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:45.280
 You know, the hard part that the University of North Texas has that we found was that

00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:52.240
 UNT has a much higher -- did not do very good planning over a long term, and I know this

00:45:52.240 --> 00:45:55.600
 is going to public record, and so I don't want it to be an indictment on the University

00:45:55.600 --> 00:46:03.000
 of North Texas, but UNT grew faster in enrollment than they did in student housing, to the point

00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:08.160
 now where they're only barely able to keep their freshman class on campus, and then after

00:46:08.160 --> 00:46:12.320
 the freshman class, there is no spot for sophomores, juniors, or seniors.

00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:17.520
 They have to go off campus, and so one of the things we did look at was zip codes that

00:46:17.520 --> 00:46:25.440
 were on the admissions or the registrar's office and where those students who were sophomores,

00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:29.600
 juniors, seniors, where they resided, and there was a large number of those who did

00:46:29.600 --> 00:46:35.360
 reside in that area, and within the city of Denton in general, of course, but specifically

00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:39.360
 saying, you know, well, the university is kind of landlocked now.

00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:44.640
 They can't build out too much in the form of building student housing themselves, and

00:46:44.640 --> 00:46:50.080
 so students are going elsewhere, and so our group's response wasn't necessarily, well,

00:46:50.080 --> 00:46:53.880
 the city needs to go pick a bone with UNT to fix that.

00:46:53.880 --> 00:47:00.160
 It's more of what can the city do to entice students to go towards more of that single

00:47:00.160 --> 00:47:03.800
 occupancy dwelling that Commissioner Fernandez brought up?

00:47:03.800 --> 00:47:08.800
 What can we do to entice students to go to single occupancy dwellings like these detached

00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:14.880
 accessory dwelling units and stay away from the two bedroom apartments that low-income

00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:19.120
 families could use instead, and so just try to create something that's more attractive

00:47:19.120 --> 00:47:23.160
 for that student population to go to and leave what was more attractive for those single

00:47:23.160 --> 00:47:24.160
 families.

00:47:24.160 --> 00:47:29.680
 So you don't think there's an onus on the part of the university to provide?

00:47:29.680 --> 00:47:38.840
 I would sit here and say yes, but I think that it was kind of like, yeah, they should

00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:44.080
 have some of the responsibility and some of the stake-hold in that, but just saying that's

00:47:44.080 --> 00:47:48.000
 it and then saying, well, they've got to fix it was kind of like saying let's run 100 miles

00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:51.380
 an hour to a brick wall and think that we're going to run through it, and so it was kind

00:47:51.380 --> 00:47:54.160
 of like, let's just go ahead and accept that we can't go through the mountain, so let's

00:47:54.160 --> 00:47:56.360
 find a way to go around the mountain.

00:47:56.360 --> 00:47:57.360
 Good.

00:47:57.360 --> 00:47:58.360
 Good.

00:47:58.360 --> 00:47:59.360
 Thank you.

00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:00.360
 All right.

00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:03.480
 So we're going to leave goals and we're going to go right into the recommendations, and

00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:06.200
 again, it's not the complete list of recommendations.

00:48:06.200 --> 00:48:11.640
 These are just the catalyst projects that we feel are worth discussing because we want

00:48:11.640 --> 00:48:14.880
 to make sure we get going on some of these recommendations.

00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:18.480
 So the first one is addressing parking.

00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:24.720
 So the recommendation is to create a parking benefit district at the Oak/Hickory/Fry Street

00:48:24.720 --> 00:48:30.280
 area, which will evaluate the cost and benefits for parking enforcement.

00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:38.200
 Essentially, it's a parking management authority where an area is identified, similar to like

00:48:38.200 --> 00:48:48.360
 the downtown area, and within that area, fees will be or parking fees that is, will be assessed.

00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:57.520
 Using those parking fees that are received, we will then use to improve parking, either

00:48:57.520 --> 00:49:04.800
 enforcement is one way of using that, supplementing the enforcement that is, also paint parking

00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:06.480
 spaces.

00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:11.080
 There's ultimately numbers of different things that we can do, but we have to create this

00:49:11.080 --> 00:49:18.160
 parking district as a way of providing that funding we talked about to create that improvement,

00:49:18.160 --> 00:49:23.120
 and we have our consultant here as well with Walter P. Moore.

00:49:23.120 --> 00:49:29.900
 I think we can also use it for lighting and also for sidewalks to improve that district.

00:49:29.900 --> 00:49:36.760
 So things like that is what we would see as part of this parking benefit district.

00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:37.760
 Commissioner Pernitta.

00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:43.480
 So when we're talking about fees along Oak and Hickory, I guess my question is, what was

00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:46.160
 the feedback that you got from local business owners?

00:49:46.160 --> 00:49:51.760
 Because one of the things that I've seen recently was, you know, leave us the parking because

00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:56.160
 they want to ensure that, you know, people are incentivized to go there, but maybe perhaps

00:49:56.160 --> 00:50:01.600
 step up on the two-hour enforcement, because, you know, one of the things that I think is

00:50:01.600 --> 00:50:07.720
 hurting a lot of the businesses in the area is, A, there are so many resources inside

00:50:07.720 --> 00:50:13.120
 the student union now that they're not getting student traffic, but we don't have any place

00:50:13.120 --> 00:50:19.160
 for them to park, and I think basically adding fees and adding parking fees to go down there

00:50:19.160 --> 00:50:23.600
 would further de-incentivize people to wind up in that area.

00:50:23.600 --> 00:50:32.480
 We have a number of business owners that are in as part of the committee.

00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:36.200
 They didn't seem to object as much.

00:50:36.200 --> 00:50:42.080
 We presented this to the public during a public open house, and the response that we got was

00:50:42.080 --> 00:50:45.960
 in favor -- now, do we talk to every business owner?

00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:51.440
 No, but I think generally the idea is to create some sort of mechanism in order to improve

00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:57.040
 the area, and I think if that's the ultimate goal, I'm not saying -- I'm not speaking

00:50:57.040 --> 00:51:00.160
 for them, but that should be considered.

00:51:00.160 --> 00:51:04.560
 If we're going to look at improving parking, we're looking at improving the area, that's

00:51:04.560 --> 00:51:07.600
 one -- this is one way of creating that opportunity.

00:51:07.600 --> 00:51:14.640
 Rob, do you want to add anything to the Parking Benefit District?

00:51:14.640 --> 00:51:15.640
 Sure.

00:51:15.640 --> 00:51:26.360
 The thing with the Parking Benefit District is that already you're competing with UNT

00:51:26.360 --> 00:51:27.360
 on pricing.

00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:32.400
 A lot of students get a discounted rate by parking either on the street, and you'll talk

00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:37.640
 about that, or in that district, and one of the complaints we heard from the steering

00:51:37.640 --> 00:51:42.120
 committee at the beginning was that the enforcement wasn't keeping up with it.

00:51:42.120 --> 00:51:47.520
 So part of the deal with the Parking Benefit District is that you would have to leverage

00:51:47.520 --> 00:51:54.160
 these fees for parking, but the district would benefit from those fees.

00:51:54.160 --> 00:51:58.160
 And then one of the images from here that we used in the public meeting was an example

00:51:58.160 --> 00:52:07.640
 of parking in Victory Park in Dallas, where if you're a retail or restaurant user, then

00:52:07.640 --> 00:52:09.640
 your first two hours are free.

00:52:09.640 --> 00:52:16.320
 But if you're just going to park to go to the school, then you're paying the full cost

00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:21.160
 of -- that would be probably competitive with what it would be for public parking on the

00:52:21.160 --> 00:52:22.160
 campus.

00:52:22.160 --> 00:52:23.160
 Commissioner Smith.

00:52:23.160 --> 00:52:24.160
 Thank you, Chair.

00:52:24.160 --> 00:52:29.360
 So I was actually going to do my thing, which could be the utilization of the businesses.

00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:33.520
 The businesses have access to the parking for their patrons, as long as their patrons

00:52:33.520 --> 00:52:35.800
 are the ones who are parking there, and if they're not, then it's somebody else.

00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:40.200
 So I'm glad you said that, but did you hear any feedback from anybody on the committee

00:52:40.200 --> 00:52:46.400
 that was close to UNT about UNT having any issues with starting to charge or possibly

00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:49.320
 having parking fees around there?

00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:52.720
 I don't know if the University of North Texas would have any bones to pick about that, and

00:52:52.720 --> 00:52:57.720
 especially if it was, you know, I know it's free now, so they're already losing "business,"

00:52:57.720 --> 00:53:00.360
 quote-unquote, to the free spots.

00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:08.880
 I think UNT is pretty, as far as collaborating, there's two main folks that are on this committee

00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:11.880
 and they didn't seem to object.

00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:16.320
 So I guess they answer your question, nothing from UNT.

00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:17.320
 Okay.

00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:18.320
 Commissioner Brunetto.

00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:19.920
 And just for a little bit of detail.

00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:25.900
 So you mentioned that patrons of local businesses would have the free two hours and everything.

00:53:25.900 --> 00:53:28.260
 How are we determining who's a patron?

00:53:28.260 --> 00:53:31.960
 Is it via app check-in or something like that?

00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:34.480
 There's a lot of different technologies to use.

00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:40.240
 If they buy something at the store or at the coffee shop, they could get a different parking

00:53:40.240 --> 00:53:43.880
 pass that would allow them to get out of the surface parking lot.

00:53:43.880 --> 00:53:49.600
 It would be something that, if it was a surface lot, it would be something that would be self-enforced.

00:53:49.600 --> 00:53:57.760
 So you don't have to have someone there manning a booth to make sure that people, it's a gate

00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:02.240
 that opens and closes and you put in your ticket when you get your ticket when you go

00:54:02.240 --> 00:54:05.480
 in and you put in a ticket when you get out.

00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:13.280
 And so you can get a ticket from the retailer restaurants that validate.

00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:18.400
 And just to clarify, there's no public surface lot there now that's hopefully in the future

00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:20.400
 is what I think Rob is referring to.

00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:26.920
 But if it's on street parking, there are apps that we can apply that collect fees and that

00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:29.360
 sort of thing that you see throughout the country.

00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:30.360
 Okay.

00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:31.360
 All right.

00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:32.360
 Thank you.

00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:36.440
 You might be coming up a little bit.

00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:43.280
 Another area or parking, but not necessarily within the business area, but really the residential.

00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:50.760
 And again, this is one of the major concerns or topics that we've heard the exploration

00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:56.240
 or the consideration for a residential parking district.

00:54:56.240 --> 00:55:00.840
 And what this is, is that you identify an area.

00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:05.680
 We would like to look at it block by block because we have to get property owners permission

00:55:05.680 --> 00:55:13.200
 or applying this to their area would be something that we need to get their input and their

00:55:13.200 --> 00:55:16.320
 feedback and their approval, ultimately.

00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:23.720
 But essentially what it is, is that during a certain time of the day, the street, you

00:55:23.720 --> 00:55:29.680
 need a tag in order to park there, say eight to five, for example, anything after that,

00:55:29.680 --> 00:55:30.680
 you can park.

00:55:30.680 --> 00:55:35.320
 And I think what that solves is that we currently have all these streets that are in the sub

00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:40.880
 area that are no parking 24 hours, no one can park there.

00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:46.440
 So this solves that, but also this gives us an opportunity to address some of the parking

00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:48.920
 issues that we're dealing with in some of the areas.

00:55:48.920 --> 00:55:54.040
 So again, for example, a block, if you look at one block, all the property owners there

00:55:54.040 --> 00:55:56.560
 would get a residential tag.

00:55:56.560 --> 00:55:58.920
 So if they needed to park on the street, they could.

00:55:58.920 --> 00:56:02.320
 They don't have to park on the street, they can park on their property.

00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:07.960
 Anybody that wants to park on the street that is not a resident, they would have to go,

00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:15.400
 again, maybe through an app or something to pay into a fee, again, so that all that collection

00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:20.400
 of fees we will use, again, towards improving said area.

00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:24.800
 So it's a way of addressing the parking issue that we're having, but it is also a way of

00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:27.420
 trying to improve the area as well.

00:56:27.420 --> 00:56:32.840
 So a residential parking district, and some of the concerns, input or feedback we heard

00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:39.520
 from the community was, well, what if I need more than two tags or two parking spaces or

00:56:39.520 --> 00:56:42.240
 whatever it is?

00:56:42.240 --> 00:56:46.200
 That was something that we couldn't help them with because there's a set time, right?

00:56:46.200 --> 00:56:49.260
 Between eight and five, you're required to have a tag.

00:56:49.260 --> 00:56:52.000
 After that, you can park however you like.

00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:56.000
 And we know that students park there during the day, so that's going to address some of

00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:58.680
 those parking concerns during the day.

00:56:58.680 --> 00:57:01.000
 In the evening, not much of a concern.

00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:05.640
 So this is one that we're going to explore more with Rob and his group.

00:57:05.640 --> 00:57:11.160
 And as we continue with this process, we're going to potentially do maybe a pilot program,

00:57:11.160 --> 00:57:14.820
 but hopefully this is something we can implement to address some of the parking concerns that

00:57:14.820 --> 00:57:22.760
 we've heard so far.

00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:29.480
 Simple recommendation, but I think effective in that painting parking where parking should

00:57:29.480 --> 00:57:30.580
 be, right?

00:57:30.580 --> 00:57:34.680
 You see that these folks, there's no dash lines.

00:57:34.680 --> 00:57:37.320
 We just drew a box, and it's a white box.

00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:38.840
 You fit in there, you're good.

00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:42.680
 You're out of the way, and you're not within any driveway.

00:57:42.680 --> 00:57:48.500
 That is for some people, while others just don't care, and they'll park wherever, right?

00:57:48.500 --> 00:57:56.880
 And so a big part of this recommendation is followed by enforcement, because if someone

00:57:56.880 --> 00:58:04.040
 does this, and nothing happens, and it's not enforced by either police or some other services

00:58:04.040 --> 00:58:09.040
 that we know, again, back to the parking district, they're going to continue to park like that.

00:58:09.040 --> 00:58:13.040
 So we want to make sure that not only do we identify areas where they should park, but

00:58:13.040 --> 00:58:21.100
 we also enforce it, as you see here, where this car didn't want to follow the rules.

00:58:21.100 --> 00:58:28.560
 This is a big one because it involves the Oak, but the Fry Street area.

00:58:28.560 --> 00:58:32.020
 This photo that you see here is of Hickory Street.

00:58:32.020 --> 00:58:35.400
 As you know, Hickory Street is being improved.

00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:39.760
 There's infrastructure, water, wastewater being installed, but also the pavement is

00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:47.400
 being improved as well, and as part of that improvement, bike lanes are being introduced.

00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:52.960
 From Body Bray to Avenue B, there's a bike lane that runs through where there's no parking

00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:55.160
 on one side.

00:58:55.160 --> 00:59:03.600
 However, you get to this area, Avenue B, through Welch Street, there's businesses, there's

00:59:03.600 --> 00:59:05.640
 currently parking on both sides.

00:59:05.640 --> 00:59:12.160
 The proposal is to eliminate one side and do bike lanes through this area and continue

00:59:12.160 --> 00:59:15.080
 from Welch all the way through to downtown.

00:59:15.080 --> 00:59:21.880
 When you drive through Hickory from Welch to Carroll, you already see that the bike lane

00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:26.760
 takes the south side, where there's only parking on the north side.

00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:31.800
 We haven't done anything here because there's been a little bit of discussions, a little

00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:34.760
 bit, more than a little bit, on what to do.

00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:40.040
 Should we remove the parking on one side, add the bike lane, or do we leave the parking

00:59:40.040 --> 00:59:43.040
 and find an alternative route for the bike lane?

00:59:43.040 --> 00:59:46.400
 This was one of the discussions that we've had with the committee.

00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:49.360
 It took several times to discuss it.

00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:57.240
 Ultimately, the recommendation from the committee is to create this pedestrian area, which is

00:59:57.240 --> 01:00:06.260
 what this area is, between Avenue B and Welch, where the parking will still remain on both

01:00:06.260 --> 01:00:14.120
 sides, but the bike lane will now have to shift and be a shared road, shared the road

01:00:14.120 --> 01:00:17.640
 travel or bike lane.

01:00:17.640 --> 01:00:23.360
 Similar to what you see in downtown, you enter this special place and the bike lane is now

01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:31.800
 shifted, which shares the road with the vehicles, just between Avenue B and Welch Street.

01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:41.880
 We're recommending that in order to make it more of a safer area for bicyclists is to

01:00:41.880 --> 01:00:48.120
 use crosswalks that are enhanced with texture, so you know you're entering an area, similar

01:00:48.120 --> 01:00:49.920
 to downtown.

01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:54.920
 We're introducing lighting, we're introducing signage that show that this is a special place

01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:56.800
 so people slow down.

01:00:56.800 --> 01:01:03.040
 The miles per hour is slower in this area, down to 20 miles per hour, similar to an area

01:01:03.040 --> 01:01:07.800
 that sees more pedestrian activity, so I'm not going to go through the whole list, but

01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:13.320
 basically creating this special place and the committee, which is made up of business

01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:19.600
 owners of this area as well as a bicyclist, were in favor or did not see any objection

01:01:19.600 --> 01:01:25.200
 to this and voted to move this forward as a recommendation to City Council.

01:01:25.200 --> 01:01:30.840
 So it solves the continuation of a bike lane through Hickory Street while still keeping

01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:36.040
 the parking that the business owners need.

01:01:36.040 --> 01:01:38.560
 So any questions?

01:01:38.560 --> 01:01:40.180
 Commissioner Cole.

01:01:40.180 --> 01:01:43.440
 This is where you were talking about doing the Wooner, right?

01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:44.440
 That's correct.

01:01:44.440 --> 01:01:50.640
 I'm going to have to have you explain that term because Wooner.

01:01:50.640 --> 01:02:01.000
 Such for living street, and that's, I mean, basically it's open to everything, but your

01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:06.500
 speed's reduced and you're kind of guided to where, I mean, you're sharing with bicyclists

01:02:06.500 --> 01:02:12.720
 and everything else, but everything's kind of out in the open patio style type pedestrian

01:02:12.720 --> 01:02:18.640
 walking, but do you have a rendering of that?

01:02:18.640 --> 01:02:22.560
 No, we don't, but you basically described it really well.

01:02:22.560 --> 01:02:29.960
 I mean, but it looked really cool, and we looked at it and said, man, this is it.

01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:33.280
 This is pretty much how this should be, you know?

01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:40.600
 I mean, you really don't have to do a whole lot different, but, you know, they do it in

01:02:40.600 --> 01:02:41.600
 other places.

01:02:41.600 --> 01:02:43.200
 Commissioner Cole, can you speak into your microphone?

01:02:43.200 --> 01:02:47.800
 Oh, sorry about that, but they do it with success in a lot of other places.

01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:52.840
 And it, you know, a light bulb went off with us, and it was like, this is great.

01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:55.200
 This is something that we need to explore.

01:02:55.200 --> 01:03:00.440
 Right, and just to give a quick background on what Jason's talking about, Mark Ollifan,

01:03:00.440 --> 01:03:04.720
 who's here as well, I don't know if you would like to come up and further explain what is

01:03:04.720 --> 01:03:11.120
 being proposed, but there were several options, I think four options in total, and there was

01:03:11.120 --> 01:03:16.440
 just a wide range of folks that wanted this versus this.

01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:23.680
 But when we came down to it, having proposed this recommendation, everyone seemed to be

01:03:23.680 --> 01:03:26.040
 okay with what is being proposed.

01:03:26.040 --> 01:03:27.040
 Questions?

01:03:27.040 --> 01:03:29.040
 Commissioner Pinedo.

01:03:29.040 --> 01:03:33.180
 Yeah, just a quick one.

01:03:33.180 --> 01:03:38.320
 So I just wanted a little clarification when you mentioned textured crosswalks.

01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:41.520
 Are we talking like brick or something, or?

01:03:41.520 --> 01:03:42.520
 It doesn't have to be brick.

01:03:42.520 --> 01:03:48.080
 It can be, again, similar to what you see in downtown or on Hickory Street.

01:03:48.080 --> 01:03:49.080
 Okay.

01:03:49.080 --> 01:03:53.920
 So just to give that notice that you're entering an area that you need to slow down.

01:03:53.920 --> 01:03:54.920
 Okay.

01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:58.800
 And so that's what we're proposing, or what the committee's proposing.

01:03:58.800 --> 01:03:59.800
 Okay.

01:03:59.800 --> 01:04:08.480
 I've got a before and after, and maybe I should show that now, because kind of illustrate

01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:14.800
 what Jason was referring to.

01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:19.360
 So this is Hickory and Frye on the corner right there, right?

01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:23.440
 So what we're talking about is just improving the area, slowing down traffic.

01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:29.320
 So these brick patterns you see there, the street lights that slow people down because

01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:34.120
 you're entering a special area, just landscaping, making it more protection-friendly, making

01:04:34.120 --> 01:04:39.040
 this area what really it is, it's a commercial node, right?

01:04:39.040 --> 01:04:40.760
 It's a commercial area.

01:04:40.760 --> 01:04:47.020
 And we want people to be safe at the same time, be used as a travel lane.

01:04:47.020 --> 01:04:48.700
 So that is what's being proposed.

01:04:48.700 --> 01:04:54.800
 Again, you see that the sidewalks, I'm sorry, the pavement is increased.

01:04:54.800 --> 01:05:00.000
 It provides that slow traffic calming device.

01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:04.200
 You've got pavement that is different, a little bit more textured.

01:05:04.200 --> 01:05:10.520
 And again, with the lighting and the landscaping, it just brings that whole area together.

01:05:10.520 --> 01:05:11.520
 Commissioner Beck.

01:05:11.520 --> 01:05:12.520
 Yeah.

01:05:12.520 --> 01:05:13.520
 I like this idea.

01:05:13.520 --> 01:05:17.480
 It doesn't prohibit vehicular traffic, it just discourages it.

01:05:17.480 --> 01:05:21.960
 I think especially if you've got to slow down and you do have to share, and it's got to

01:05:21.960 --> 01:05:22.960
 be enforced, too.

01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:24.840
 It's got to be enforced with that.

01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:30.400
 And obviously, people need to get in their vehicle more than others to get from A to

01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:34.160
 B, but there's other ways to get there and not necessarily go through this.

01:05:34.160 --> 01:05:38.000
 So this would discourage some traffic that doesn't have to go through there.

01:05:38.000 --> 01:05:47.440
 And I think that's a great idea.

01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:59.160
 Okay, so the next few slides are related to what we're talking about, the overlay special

01:05:59.160 --> 01:06:01.360
 purpose districts.

01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:09.760
 One area, and it's kind of covered or presented in the exhibit, I think exhibit three sub-areas,

01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:12.760
 where we've identified some overlay district.

01:06:12.760 --> 01:06:19.480
 Not all of them will be pursued or implemented soon, but we identified four that we would

01:06:19.480 --> 01:06:26.440
 like to do sooner than later, and one is the Scripture Street, again, between Gober and

01:06:26.440 --> 01:06:35.760
 Ponder Street, that area north of along Scripture, just north of the area plan, northern part.

01:06:35.760 --> 01:06:43.640
 The Oak Hickory, this would be what we would update our existing Fry Street overlay district.

01:06:43.640 --> 01:06:48.440
 We would just expand it a little bit more and create more of that area that we talked

01:06:48.440 --> 01:06:50.320
 about.

01:06:50.320 --> 01:07:01.160
 Collins, the area Collins that we're referring to is in sub-area three, just south of Fannin,

01:07:01.160 --> 01:07:06.880
 west of Bernard, north of Greenlee, and east of Avenue A. That's the area that we're talking

01:07:06.880 --> 01:07:12.040
 about, designating that as a Collins overlay district.

01:07:12.040 --> 01:07:16.160
 We're calling it Collins because Collins is the middle street there.

01:07:16.160 --> 01:07:21.400
 Some of the homes that are there now, they don't all look like this, I understand, but

01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:27.120
 there are homes that are worth looking into.

01:07:27.120 --> 01:07:30.040
 So that's another overlay district.

01:07:30.040 --> 01:07:37.600
 Sycamore is another area that the committee identified, and that is just which is bounded

01:07:37.600 --> 01:07:44.720
 by Hickory to the north, Carroll to the west, I'm sorry, east, and then Bernard to the west,

01:07:44.720 --> 01:07:47.640
 and then just parcels to the south.

01:07:47.640 --> 01:07:52.780
 There's some housing there that's worth looking at, and the committee recommended looking

01:07:52.780 --> 01:08:00.520
 at a potential conservation historic district.

01:08:00.520 --> 01:08:07.080
 Sidewalks, you know, that's another thing that the committee was looking into, sidewalks

01:08:07.080 --> 01:08:08.640
 and lighting.

01:08:08.640 --> 01:08:15.480
 The consultants looked at the area and identified priority sidewalk connections.

01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:17.400
 Those are shown in red.

01:08:17.400 --> 01:08:25.360
 One I think that's worth mentioning, I'm sorry, Scripture, has a need for some sidewalks.

01:08:25.360 --> 01:08:29.160
 So does Oak and Hickory.

01:08:29.160 --> 01:08:34.260
 You see here there's a lot of other areas that need Collins and Eagle.

01:08:34.260 --> 01:08:37.520
 So are we going to tackle this all at one time?

01:08:37.520 --> 01:08:41.880
 No, it's an ongoing, and you can see that the recommendation is ongoing, something that

01:08:41.880 --> 01:08:45.760
 we would need to include in our CIP program.

01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:53.620
 But at least we have an idea of where we should start, what we have and where we should start.

01:08:53.620 --> 01:08:54.620
 Commissioner Beck.

01:08:54.620 --> 01:08:55.620
 Thank you, Chair.

01:08:55.620 --> 01:09:02.120
 Just quickly, Scripture is an important area where you need some pedestrian facilities.

01:09:02.120 --> 01:09:08.760
 How much right of way is there now where you can incorporate sidewalks on both sides of

01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:09.760
 the street?

01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:10.760
 Is there any?

01:09:10.760 --> 01:09:14.680
 I mean, because there's not a lot of setback for some of those houses.

01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:19.760
 In some cases, those lots are fairly deep and those homes are fairly set back.

01:09:19.760 --> 01:09:27.240
 If there's no existing right of way to increase pedestrian safety, probably introducing sidewalks,

01:09:27.240 --> 01:09:28.600
 we'd have to talk to the property owners.

01:09:28.600 --> 01:09:32.760
 I don't know what that right of way with is today, but we'll certainly have to work through

01:09:32.760 --> 01:09:33.760
 that process.

01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:34.760
 Okay.

01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:36.440
 That wasn't a subject that was raised with the committee.

01:09:36.440 --> 01:09:41.400
 No, we looked at a very somewhat high level just knowing that there's a need for sidewalk

01:09:41.400 --> 01:09:42.400
 within that area.

01:09:42.400 --> 01:09:46.920
 Yeah, big time, thanks.

01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:48.160
 Existing lighting.

01:09:48.160 --> 01:09:52.320
 This is a photo of Stella and there's no lighting.

01:09:52.320 --> 01:09:53.320
 There's really no light.

01:09:53.320 --> 01:09:54.400
 There's no sidewalks.

01:09:54.400 --> 01:09:56.080
 So you're going to be walking in the street.

01:09:56.080 --> 01:09:57.080
 It's dark.

01:09:57.080 --> 01:09:58.080
 There's no sidewalk.

01:09:58.080 --> 01:10:04.840
 So we need to look at that and also if there is lighting, we need to improve it or repair

01:10:04.840 --> 01:10:08.020
 it where there needs to be lighting.

01:10:08.020 --> 01:10:14.960
 So something that we can look into, and we've discussed this with DME, the Unmutable Electric.

01:10:14.960 --> 01:10:18.720
 We actually have to come up with a plan where we can prioritize where those areas should

01:10:18.720 --> 01:10:23.680
 be addressed, but if we're going to make this area safe, we need to have sidewalks and we

01:10:23.680 --> 01:10:27.360
 need to have lighting, good lighting.

01:10:27.360 --> 01:10:34.220
 Again, this is a quick fix, putting expanding a two-way stop to a four-way stop on Collins

01:10:34.220 --> 01:10:40.880
 and Bernard, again, to provide that safety.

01:10:40.880 --> 01:10:46.640
 This is a really cool recommendation in that we have an opportunity, again, with the Bonnie

01:10:46.640 --> 01:10:54.480
 Bray widening project as well as the Hickory Oak substation installation.

01:10:54.480 --> 01:11:01.680
 The existing substation will be decommissioned and there's an opportunity to create an entry

01:11:01.680 --> 01:11:08.760
 to this area as you come from the highway by redeveloping the site.

01:11:08.760 --> 01:11:14.680
 Now, we haven't really developed a plan, but the idea is to use this area or this site

01:11:14.680 --> 01:11:19.080
 to either an open space or a gateway entry into the area plan.

01:11:19.080 --> 01:11:24.800
 So we're obviously going to be working with DME, but that is an opportunity or recommendation

01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:28.480
 that the committee would like to see done.

01:11:28.480 --> 01:11:33.620
 I think this is my last recommendation and that is in order for this to work, we have

01:11:33.620 --> 01:11:39.000
 to rely not only with the city and other agencies such as UNT, but we also have to have the

01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:40.240
 community involved.

01:11:40.240 --> 01:11:46.560
 So we want to continue this community engagement, so have as many people involved.

01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:52.280
 Of course, there's not a formal committee, but rather if they're involved in one way

01:11:52.280 --> 01:11:58.920
 or another, we can see things happen a lot better and a lot faster.

01:11:58.920 --> 01:12:02.440
 I'm not going to go into the draft implementation strategy.

01:12:02.440 --> 01:12:03.440
 You have that in your backup.

01:12:03.440 --> 01:12:07.600
 It's basically the summation of what the committee has done.

01:12:07.600 --> 01:12:12.600
 It lists the goals, the vision, as well as the recommendations.

01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:21.400
 The Oak Gateway recommended 11-0 to move these recommendations forward to city council.

01:12:21.400 --> 01:12:25.920
 The staff, of course, would like to see this move as well.

01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:31.800
 What we are seeking from this planning zoning commission is a recommendation to move these

01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:35.200
 recommendations forward as well to city council.

01:12:35.200 --> 01:12:37.200
 That is the end of my presentation.

01:12:37.200 --> 01:12:40.960
 I'd be happy to answer any questions.

01:12:40.960 --> 01:12:45.920
 Ron, I just have a quick question.

01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:49.880
 Nowhere did I see in the draft, and the steering committee did a great job.

01:12:49.880 --> 01:12:56.080
 I know how hard everyone worked and put together a beautiful draft, and great recommendations.

01:12:56.080 --> 01:13:02.600
 One thing missing seems to be where should density be?

01:13:02.600 --> 01:13:07.040
 I don't know if we can just address density with the accessory dwelling use, which is a

01:13:07.040 --> 01:13:12.720
 great recommendation, but was it discussed in any -- I didn't see that in the draft,

01:13:12.720 --> 01:13:17.080
 but it's certainly one of the problems that has been throughout this whole year.

01:13:17.080 --> 01:13:22.320
 It's really back to zoning, and so there is a recommendation in there that talks about

01:13:22.320 --> 01:13:28.280
 appropriate zoning to increase mixed use and to increase density.

01:13:28.280 --> 01:13:33.440
 Ultimately, that will be dealt with through the development code and the zoning map update.

01:13:33.440 --> 01:13:42.640
 So these recommendations do inform some areas that need more zoning, appropriate zoning,

01:13:42.640 --> 01:13:48.720
 and again, through that, we will implement through the development code update.

01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:50.680
 So I don't have the recommendation number.

01:13:50.680 --> 01:13:55.880
 I can maybe bring that up when we get to the public hearing, but there is some mention

01:13:55.880 --> 01:13:59.120
 of zoning as part of these recommendations.

01:13:59.120 --> 01:14:00.120
 Okay.

01:14:00.120 --> 01:14:01.120
 Thank you, Ron.

01:14:01.120 --> 01:14:02.120
 Commissioner Beck.

01:14:02.120 --> 01:14:03.120
 Thanks, Archer.

01:14:03.120 --> 01:14:04.120
 Just one quick thing.

01:14:04.120 --> 01:14:13.800
 With a little I dug into this, it appeared that the bulk of concern where you have people

01:14:13.800 --> 01:14:20.120
 actually seem to be waiting in favor of the sub area one, do you feel that the other two

01:14:20.120 --> 01:14:28.280
 sub areas were adequately represented as far as individuals, you know, coming up?

01:14:28.280 --> 01:14:34.000
 I would agree with you that there were a majority of them, when I see them, the steering committee,

01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:39.200
 that was focused on area one, however, I think with the chair and the vice chair, they made

01:14:39.200 --> 01:14:45.300
 sure that the other sub areas were also discussed and not left, you know, by themselves.

01:14:45.300 --> 01:14:51.880
 So we have some committee members that live and work in sub areas two and three.

01:14:51.880 --> 01:14:56.280
 So we did get their input in representation as well.

01:14:56.280 --> 01:15:00.840
 And just, Vice Chair, just a point of clarity or clarification.

01:15:00.840 --> 01:15:06.320
 This presentation that I just presented during the public hearing will have the steering

01:15:06.320 --> 01:15:09.560
 committee members make the presentations.

01:15:09.560 --> 01:15:16.160
 I felt that they needed to be involved in also to share and sharing with you all what

01:15:16.160 --> 01:15:18.920
 they went through with preparing this area plan.

01:15:18.920 --> 01:15:23.240
 So it would be a number of the steering committee making the presentation so that you all know

01:15:23.240 --> 01:15:24.720
 that's coming forward.

01:15:24.720 --> 01:15:25.720
 Okay.

01:15:25.720 --> 01:15:28.120
 Commissioner Pernado.

01:15:28.120 --> 01:15:33.880
 So when we talk about a vote to send before city council, I guess my question is exactly

01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:39.640
 -- well, we have a breakdown of how this will be implemented because there's a lot of little

01:15:39.640 --> 01:15:44.240
 things here and there that are all very different that should be implemented.

01:15:44.240 --> 01:15:50.160
 Are we voting to send through the whole thing in totality that will be voted on by city

01:15:50.160 --> 01:15:56.160
 council to enact or are these recommendations that will subsequently be resubmitted, you

01:15:56.160 --> 01:15:59.280
 know, as different, you know, projects?

01:15:59.280 --> 01:16:01.480
 The plan is to bring forward the whole package.

01:16:01.480 --> 01:16:03.200
 It is a plan.

01:16:03.200 --> 01:16:05.440
 These are recommendations.

01:16:05.440 --> 01:16:08.680
 Ultimately what happens after is the implementation.

01:16:08.680 --> 01:16:15.360
 And so if the recommendations are brought forward and agreed upon, accepted, we, the

01:16:15.360 --> 01:16:20.720
 staff and, again, the other agencies and the community will need to start to implement

01:16:20.720 --> 01:16:21.720
 those.

01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:25.560
 And what you have in your implementation strategy is the timing of those.

01:16:25.560 --> 01:16:27.840
 So we're not going to take all of them at one time.

01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:31.720
 We've identified some that we want to take forward sooner than later.

01:16:31.720 --> 01:16:37.000
 But those other recommendations will still be there and we will tackle them as time permits.

01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:38.000
 Okay.

01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:43.720
 And I guess kind of the main reason I'm asking how this will lay out because Commissioner

01:16:43.720 --> 01:16:49.360
 Beck asked a question about sidewalks on scripture and for those, you know, who may or may not

01:16:49.360 --> 01:16:56.320
 be familiar with scripture, if you get west of Malone and everything, you know, the street's

01:16:56.320 --> 01:17:02.760
 narrow and basically any place we put sidewalks is going to have to be on, you know, the property

01:17:02.760 --> 01:17:06.680
 of individual homeowners and things like that.

01:17:06.680 --> 01:17:11.080
 By approving this and having it go through council, I imagine you mentioned we would

01:17:11.080 --> 01:17:17.040
 still have to work with homeowners in terms of securing, I guess, permission to build

01:17:17.040 --> 01:17:19.040
 sidewalks on their homes.

01:17:19.040 --> 01:17:23.960
 Will these be things that will wind up coming to us later?

01:17:23.960 --> 01:17:24.960
 It would not.

01:17:24.960 --> 01:17:27.880
 It would be part of our CIP program.

01:17:27.880 --> 01:17:34.200
 And again, when we develop a CIP program, this plan informs that process.

01:17:34.200 --> 01:17:38.680
 So you know, we've sort of done a little bit of the work already identifying the sidewalk

01:17:38.680 --> 01:17:45.960
 needs, the gaps, and we've talked about the prioritization of those installation of sidewalks.

01:17:45.960 --> 01:17:51.480
 As we move forward with the CIP program, we can use this plan as reference in identifying

01:17:51.480 --> 01:17:55.120
 where we need to go first, and that is what will happen.

01:17:55.120 --> 01:18:03.200
 So you won't see the details, but through CIP programs, I'm not sure that this will

01:18:03.200 --> 01:18:07.440
 be coming to this board per se or this commission per se, but that's how this plan is going

01:18:07.440 --> 01:18:13.880
 to be used, is to help inform other strategy or implementation of other programs as well.

01:18:13.880 --> 01:18:14.880
 Okay.

01:18:14.880 --> 01:18:15.880
 Thank you.

01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:20.220
 It really works as a guiding document, right, to add to making decisions when it comes to

01:18:20.220 --> 01:18:26.120
 zoning cases that do come before us or CIP projects or whatever becomes another tool

01:18:26.120 --> 01:18:28.480
 to be used and analyzed, correct?

01:18:28.480 --> 01:18:29.480
 Correct.

01:18:29.480 --> 01:18:36.240
 Again, it's a plan, and that sets forward some direction of what we need to do, and

01:18:36.240 --> 01:18:37.240
 that's really what this is.

01:18:37.240 --> 01:18:42.760
 So those catalyst projects that we just covered is something that the staff and the committee

01:18:42.760 --> 01:18:44.760
 would like to get started as well.

01:18:44.760 --> 01:18:50.600
 Ultimately, any overlay district that we will bring back to you because that's part of the

01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:51.600
 commission's responsibility.

01:18:51.600 --> 01:18:52.600
 All righty.

01:18:52.600 --> 01:19:01.480
 This isn't a supplement to the comprehensive plan to design zoning decisions, necessarily,

01:19:01.480 --> 01:19:02.480
 correct?

01:19:02.480 --> 01:19:03.480
 Correct.

01:19:03.480 --> 01:19:06.280
 It's a help guide.

01:19:06.280 --> 01:19:12.840
 We have a similar one for the downtown implementation, and if you know the downtown implementation

01:19:12.840 --> 01:19:18.320
 plan, there's a set of recommendations, actions that was covered under that plan as well,

01:19:18.320 --> 01:19:23.640
 and what we did with that is we started implementing those, and one that I can speak of is the

01:19:23.640 --> 01:19:25.760
 Wayfinding Signage Project, right?

01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:30.200
 That started out with the downtown implementation plan, and then that got going because there

01:19:30.200 --> 01:19:31.200
 was direction.

01:19:31.200 --> 01:19:34.600
 We needed to do that, and that's what the city did.

01:19:34.600 --> 01:19:36.200
 So think of it as that.

01:19:36.200 --> 01:19:37.200
 It's a guide.

01:19:37.200 --> 01:19:46.400
 It's a plan, a direction of how we should proceed with this area.

01:19:46.400 --> 01:19:47.400
 Commissioner Sanchez.

01:19:47.400 --> 01:19:52.160
 What I got from this is that there's a lot of similarities between the areas as far as

01:19:52.160 --> 01:19:57.880
 issues that they're having problems with, like transportation, revitalization, some

01:19:57.880 --> 01:19:59.320
 of the issues in that.

01:19:59.320 --> 01:20:02.480
 I mean, what are you going to do to revitalize this area?

01:20:02.480 --> 01:20:11.960
 I mean, so I mean, and I understand long-term you want to, but is there any kind of plan

01:20:11.960 --> 01:20:13.760
 when you talk about revitalization?

01:20:13.760 --> 01:20:15.560
 That's a real broad term.

01:20:15.560 --> 01:20:21.440
 Is there anything that would -- what would you do to do something like that?

01:20:21.440 --> 01:20:24.000
 When I look at revitalization, I'm looking at the housing.

01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:31.680
 A lot of that housing in those areas is rental property, and my concern, I guess, was how

01:20:31.680 --> 01:20:38.680
 do -- because it's lower income, a lot of investors get in there, and you can see the

01:20:38.680 --> 01:20:40.920
 -- and don't take care of those properties.

01:20:40.920 --> 01:20:47.400
 How are you planning on revitalizing those areas to make more people come into there

01:20:47.400 --> 01:20:51.600
 rather than become investment properties for students?

01:20:51.600 --> 01:20:55.080
 You do, Commissioner Sanchez, you do a number of different things.

01:20:55.080 --> 01:20:58.800
 We've got tools that can help revitalize an area.

01:20:58.800 --> 01:21:03.200
 I brought up this map because I wanted to show that we -- again, we're calling this

01:21:03.200 --> 01:21:04.200
 Cement City.

01:21:04.200 --> 01:21:07.440
 There's probably a better term or better area description for this area, but we're calling

01:21:07.440 --> 01:21:08.440
 Cement City.

01:21:08.440 --> 01:21:09.440
 Right, right.

01:21:09.440 --> 01:21:14.120
 That is a potential special purpose overlay district, and through a special purpose overlay

01:21:14.120 --> 01:21:19.120
 district, you can enhance the development standards for that area.

01:21:19.120 --> 01:21:27.320
 Through zoning, you can promote other incentives, meaning zoning land uses can come into these

01:21:27.320 --> 01:21:31.320
 areas that are more conducive for that area.

01:21:31.320 --> 01:21:36.440
 Working with our community development department, right, there's programs that we can help these

01:21:36.440 --> 01:21:43.040
 areas, but ultimately, the goal is to improve the area, which is going to require the participation

01:21:43.040 --> 01:21:50.680
 by the property owners, and through that participation and that partnership, we hope to get there.

01:21:50.680 --> 01:21:56.280
 So there's no one silver bullet, you know, it's going to take a lot of different things.

01:21:56.280 --> 01:22:01.480
 I mean, I understand it's a plan, and it's great, and I'm not knocking it.

01:22:01.480 --> 01:22:06.680
 I was just -- it's just -- and you're looking long-term, and that's basically what you're

01:22:06.680 --> 01:22:07.680
 doing.

01:22:07.680 --> 01:22:11.680
 And saying like we talked about being proactive, so we want to be proactive, right, before

01:22:11.680 --> 01:22:13.600
 things get any worse.

01:22:13.600 --> 01:22:18.320
 So through the overlay district and through some other programs or incentives, we hope

01:22:18.320 --> 01:22:22.400
 to get the right development there.

01:22:22.400 --> 01:22:28.400
 Yes.

01:22:28.400 --> 01:22:29.400
 >> Thank you, Ron.

01:22:29.400 --> 01:22:30.400
 >> All right.

01:22:30.400 --> 01:22:31.400
 Thank you.

01:22:31.400 --> 01:22:32.400
 >> Okay.

01:22:32.400 --> 01:22:37.520
 That moves us through our agenda.

01:22:37.520 --> 01:22:42.280
 Do we want to maybe break, get something to eat, and then do work session?

01:22:42.280 --> 01:22:44.520
 What do you think?

01:22:44.520 --> 01:22:45.520
 Okay.

01:22:45.520 --> 01:22:46.520
 Okay.

01:22:46.520 --> 01:22:50.800
 Well, then let's carry on to our work session items.

01:22:50.800 --> 01:22:54.680
 That would be receive an update on the proposed amendments to water and wastewater design

01:22:54.680 --> 01:23:01.700
 criteria manual.

01:23:01.700 --> 01:23:03.680
 >> Good evening, commissioners, chair.

01:23:03.680 --> 01:23:04.680
 Thank you for the opportunity.

01:23:04.680 --> 01:23:10.760
 I pretend that traffic engineers for the city, and we're back again.

01:23:10.760 --> 01:23:17.220
 We started this -- let me get back to the original.

01:23:17.220 --> 01:23:18.220
 We're back here.

01:23:18.220 --> 01:23:20.720
 We started this last year.

01:23:20.720 --> 01:23:26.540
 We came here in front of the same commissioners, all the commissioners here, and presented

01:23:26.540 --> 01:23:28.320
 the criteria manuals.

01:23:28.320 --> 01:23:31.980
 We had completely overhauled those criteria manuals.

01:23:31.980 --> 01:23:35.160
 We had updated them.

01:23:35.160 --> 01:23:41.140
 And as you can see in this slide, there are three criteria manuals that were coming back.

01:23:41.140 --> 01:23:46.880
 We have started this on an annual basis that will come back every year updating those manuals.

01:23:46.880 --> 01:23:53.720
 We go through a process through summer of next year, we'll go and collect all the comments,

01:23:53.720 --> 01:24:00.040
 all the changes that we received from developers, from other engineers, as well as our internal

01:24:00.040 --> 01:24:03.000
 staff that's working on some of these projects.

01:24:03.000 --> 01:24:07.240
 And we take that in, we process it, and then we go through a process.

01:24:07.240 --> 01:24:10.960
 I will show you the timeline a little bit next slide.

01:24:10.960 --> 01:24:15.760
 But tonight we're talking about three manuals here.

01:24:15.760 --> 01:24:20.040
 Summer and wastewater criteria manual, which was updated October of 2017.

01:24:20.040 --> 01:24:24.800
 The stormwater design criteria manual updated March of this year.

01:24:24.800 --> 01:24:27.200
 And there are some changes that are required.

01:24:27.200 --> 01:24:31.720
 We came across some serious concerns, and we're trying to update those.

01:24:31.720 --> 01:24:37.740
 And standard details, either engineering detailed drawings that are used out in the field by

01:24:37.740 --> 01:24:44.100
 contractors to implement some of the -- as you can see in this drawing, some of the actual

01:24:44.100 --> 01:24:45.880
 work that's done in the field.

01:24:45.880 --> 01:24:50.360
 So that one was updated in August.

01:24:50.360 --> 01:24:51.640
 This is the timeline.

01:24:51.640 --> 01:24:55.400
 We started -- the first stop was about October 9th.

01:24:55.400 --> 01:24:59.380
 We started a first public hearing period.

01:24:59.380 --> 01:25:01.240
 It was posted for 30 days.

01:25:01.240 --> 01:25:07.560
 We started getting comments and receiving comments through our website.

01:25:07.560 --> 01:25:12.480
 Then on the 9th of November, I think that's the date.

01:25:12.480 --> 01:25:20.620
 On the 9th, we presented it to about approximately 50 engineers and consultants that on a regular

01:25:20.620 --> 01:25:22.400
 basis used these manuals.

01:25:22.400 --> 01:25:25.960
 We presented in front of them the changes.

01:25:25.960 --> 01:25:27.400
 These are the changes we're recommending.

01:25:27.400 --> 01:25:29.540
 We'll collect more comments.

01:25:29.540 --> 01:25:35.020
 We got all those, made some revisions that stopped number two between November 12th and

01:25:35.020 --> 01:25:36.020
 21st.

01:25:36.020 --> 01:25:38.580
 We revised the documents.

01:25:38.580 --> 01:25:44.300
 And then again, posted it for another 10-day period of comments between 26th and 7th.

01:25:44.300 --> 01:25:48.520
 After which, now we're here, we've wrapped up all the comment periods and we're presenting

01:25:48.520 --> 01:25:49.800
 what the changes are.

01:25:49.800 --> 01:25:51.720
 I'm just going to give you a really high level.

01:25:51.720 --> 01:25:53.600
 It's not that much different.

01:25:53.600 --> 01:25:57.940
 It's not that many changes because we overhauled it big time last time.

01:25:57.940 --> 01:25:59.760
 And the next step is definitely city council.

01:25:59.760 --> 01:26:05.800
 We're going to go to council approval on December 18th and the manuals will be effective January

01:26:05.800 --> 01:26:06.800
 1st.

01:26:06.800 --> 01:26:11.680
 And we're going to come back again next year, the same thing, and continue doing that.

01:26:11.680 --> 01:26:13.240
 These are the changes for water, wastewater.

01:26:13.240 --> 01:26:18.320
 They're minor editorial comments as well as some clarifications where people are misinterpreting

01:26:18.320 --> 01:26:20.440
 some of the information.

01:26:20.440 --> 01:26:23.320
 And we've done that all throughout the document.

01:26:23.320 --> 01:26:28.880
 There are some major changes and the major changes is improving some of the pipe casing

01:26:28.880 --> 01:26:33.560
 to improve their long-term liability.

01:26:33.560 --> 01:26:39.640
 We found that there are some corrosive soils out there, so we increased or added a coating

01:26:39.640 --> 01:26:42.040
 or protection or lining on the pipes.

01:26:42.040 --> 01:26:47.720
 So if you can see on this particular item, these are the changes that are major in this

01:26:47.720 --> 01:26:48.720
 entire document.

01:26:48.720 --> 01:26:50.340
 These are the major changes.

01:26:50.340 --> 01:26:54.880
 And then the last one which kind of deals with now the contractor needs to provide a

01:26:54.880 --> 01:26:58.600
 plan for flushing and disinfecting water pipe.

01:26:58.600 --> 01:27:02.460
 These are brand new pipes and what used to happen is they didn't have a plan.

01:27:02.460 --> 01:27:06.520
 They would come in, last minute try to figure out what do we do.

01:27:06.520 --> 01:27:11.760
 So now they need to submit a plan and the real catch here is the chlorinated water.

01:27:11.760 --> 01:27:13.580
 How do they dispose it off?

01:27:13.580 --> 01:27:17.560
 If they don't have a plan and you're running it last minute, it becomes a hassle.

01:27:17.560 --> 01:27:21.400
 Now if they submit a plan and we know exactly what they're doing with the chlorinated water,

01:27:21.400 --> 01:27:28.000
 how they're disposing it off, then we have a better way of tracking it and also providing

01:27:28.000 --> 01:27:31.120
 them guidance as to how do you safely dispose it.

01:27:31.120 --> 01:27:35.640
 So these are the main changes in water waste router manual.

01:27:35.640 --> 01:27:42.040
 Next one is storm water design manual and on similar lines we had some editorial changes,

01:27:42.040 --> 01:27:45.400
 clarifications throughout the document.

01:27:45.400 --> 01:27:50.840
 Major changes, we added a reference to the I-Swim which is the integrated storm water

01:27:50.840 --> 01:27:51.840
 management plan.

01:27:51.840 --> 01:27:53.560
 This is through COG.

01:27:53.560 --> 01:27:59.120
 I think you've heard that term last time so I'm pretty sure you're well worth it.

01:27:59.120 --> 01:28:01.440
 The main thing here was erosion control.

01:28:01.440 --> 01:28:08.000
 We saw on most of these construction site there was very little or no erosion control

01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:10.320
 or specific plan was not being followed.

01:28:10.320 --> 01:28:15.760
 They were not guided or told what to do and this is where we've added some information

01:28:15.760 --> 01:28:18.920
 on what they should be doing, how they should be following it.

01:28:18.920 --> 01:28:24.800
 There needs to be a plan and we're going to start implementing these throughout all construction

01:28:24.800 --> 01:28:25.800
 sites.

01:28:25.800 --> 01:28:32.260
 It's more of tightening it up in the manual where everyone is held responsible.

01:28:32.260 --> 01:28:39.680
 The contractor is held responsible for any sediment going through the storm water.

01:28:39.680 --> 01:28:43.640
 Similar here, erosion and sediment control should follow best practices.

01:28:43.640 --> 01:28:47.880
 That's the storm water and then the last is the standard details.

01:28:47.880 --> 01:28:53.880
 This was same minor cleanups on these standard detail drawings.

01:28:53.880 --> 01:28:59.360
 The only big change is we've reduced the size of the water meter can which means your water

01:28:59.360 --> 01:29:02.400
 meters are within an enclosed casing.

01:29:02.400 --> 01:29:06.680
 We've reduced the size so that you can fit them in the parkway area.

01:29:06.680 --> 01:29:12.080
 No one wants it in their driveway or any other place where they can't really access it.

01:29:12.080 --> 01:29:17.400
 This is one of the feedbacks we got and we're making that changes and then provide more

01:29:17.400 --> 01:29:20.560
 consistency with the other manuals.

01:29:20.560 --> 01:29:25.480
 We are referencing the standard plans back to the manuals and tightening up some of the

01:29:25.480 --> 01:29:26.480
 languages.

01:29:26.480 --> 01:29:31.560
 So these are the main changes in all these three different documents and I want to really

01:29:31.560 --> 01:29:37.320
 keep it, you know, a higher level discussion here because there are really minor changes.

01:29:37.320 --> 01:29:38.920
 We don't see any.

01:29:38.920 --> 01:29:39.920
 >> Commissioner Beck.

01:29:39.920 --> 01:29:40.920
 >> Thank you, Vice Chair.

01:29:40.920 --> 01:29:41.920
 Just a quick question.

01:29:41.920 --> 01:29:48.600
 How big of a problem is it this time of year with leaves and pine needles and everything

01:29:48.600 --> 01:29:51.600
 going into the storm drains and everything like that?

01:29:51.600 --> 01:29:54.360
 Is that posed in the special wildland or is --

01:29:54.360 --> 01:30:01.560
 >> So I think the leaves and pine -- there has to be erosion control.

01:30:01.560 --> 01:30:02.560
 There has to be cleaning.

01:30:02.560 --> 01:30:07.240
 >> Well, okay, but I'm talking about existing lots where -- we're not talking about developments.

01:30:07.240 --> 01:30:12.960
 I walk my dog every morning up Foxcroft, Archer Trail and all that and these big beautiful

01:30:12.960 --> 01:30:16.120
 trees but they're dropping their leaves and they're all sitting in the gutter and I'm

01:30:16.120 --> 01:30:18.520
 thinking, boy, those are going to wash down into those drains.

01:30:18.520 --> 01:30:22.240
 So that type of thing, you're dealing with established homes that --

01:30:22.240 --> 01:30:28.120
 >> So sediment is one thing and we're really concerned about sediment getting into the

01:30:28.120 --> 01:30:31.280
 storm water which is really an issue to clog it.

01:30:31.280 --> 01:30:36.360
 As far as leaves and pine and all that, there are screens available in front of those and

01:30:36.360 --> 01:30:41.160
 we are trying to follow and make sure that we have some screenings going on but it's

01:30:41.160 --> 01:30:46.640
 a matter of they're caught in these screenings but the sediment is something that doesn't

01:30:46.640 --> 01:30:51.640
 get caught and that gets stuck in the pipe and it starts settling in the pipe and that

01:30:51.640 --> 01:30:53.360
 reduces the capacity of the pipe.

01:30:53.360 --> 01:30:54.600
 So that's a major concern.

01:30:54.600 --> 01:30:59.480
 I agree there are leaves and stuff but we're trying to get those leaves out of the -- through

01:30:59.480 --> 01:31:00.480
 screening process.

01:31:00.480 --> 01:31:05.800
 >> And I don't want to be dictatorial with homeowners or anything like that but it seems

01:31:05.800 --> 01:31:10.160
 like there ought to be some responsibility there on their part to keep those out of the

01:31:10.160 --> 01:31:15.360
 gutter and to save themselves costs because the cost of the city to that one intersection

01:31:15.360 --> 01:31:21.040
 at Foxcroft and Northcrest I think got flooded because that one drain right there was just

01:31:21.040 --> 01:31:23.240
 blocked up with leaves.

01:31:23.240 --> 01:31:24.240
 So is that --

01:31:24.240 --> 01:31:25.240
 >> Yeah.

01:31:25.240 --> 01:31:29.360
 I think coded enforcement, CIS, can be sent to those places.

01:31:29.360 --> 01:31:30.360
 >> I called them.

01:31:30.360 --> 01:31:33.840
 They got out and they took quick care of it but it just -- anyway, it just --

01:31:33.840 --> 01:31:37.680
 >> Commissioner Beck, yeah, can -- we're getting a little off topic there so --

01:31:37.680 --> 01:31:38.680
 >> Okay.

01:31:38.680 --> 01:31:39.680
 Okay.

01:31:39.680 --> 01:31:40.680
 >> Yeah, maybe take that up after.

01:31:40.680 --> 01:31:41.680
 >> Will.

01:31:41.680 --> 01:31:42.680
 Thanks.

01:31:42.680 --> 01:31:43.680
 >> Thank you.

01:31:43.680 --> 01:31:45.600
 I just have a quick question.

01:31:45.600 --> 01:31:50.000
 Did these changes come about after you had discussions along the way with --

01:31:50.000 --> 01:31:52.920
 >> No.

01:31:52.920 --> 01:31:55.840
 So these are -- majority of them were gathered through the summer.

01:31:55.840 --> 01:32:01.840
 So it came from our internal staff as well as working with all the developers and their

01:32:01.840 --> 01:32:06.500
 consultants as to, oh, this language is really confusing, we need to change it.

01:32:06.500 --> 01:32:12.040
 So it was collected over the whole year, this whole last year, and now we're just putting

01:32:12.040 --> 01:32:14.120
 it in front of -- as a public document.

01:32:14.120 --> 01:32:15.120
 >> Okay.

01:32:15.120 --> 01:32:16.120
 Very good.

01:32:16.120 --> 01:32:17.120
 Anybody --

01:32:17.120 --> 01:32:18.120
 >> Any questions?

01:32:18.120 --> 01:32:19.120
 >> Any questions?

01:32:19.120 --> 01:32:20.120
 Okay.

01:32:20.120 --> 01:32:21.120
 Thank you.

01:32:21.120 --> 01:32:22.120
 >> Thank you.

01:32:22.120 --> 01:32:23.120
 >> Okay.

01:32:23.120 --> 01:32:27.320
 Last work session item is receive an update on project notification and submission list.

01:32:27.320 --> 01:32:28.320
 >> Okay.

01:32:28.320 --> 01:32:29.320
 >> Okay.

01:32:29.320 --> 01:32:30.320
 Welcome, Charlie.

01:32:30.320 --> 01:32:31.320
 >> Hey.

01:32:31.320 --> 01:32:32.320
 Good evening.

01:32:32.320 --> 01:32:42.720
 I'm a business services manager with the development services department.

01:32:42.720 --> 01:32:46.920
 Today I just wanted to give you guys a quick update on some changes we've made to the website

01:32:46.920 --> 01:32:51.360
 to increase transparency on some of the things we have going on.

01:32:51.360 --> 01:32:53.840
 I didn't have a presentation today.

01:32:53.840 --> 01:33:08.400
 I was just going to walk through it with you.

01:33:08.400 --> 01:33:17.200
 So as you know, recently we went to city council with proposed development code amendment for

01:33:17.200 --> 01:33:19.120
 citizen participation.

01:33:19.120 --> 01:33:24.800
 The city council wanted to hold off on that until the development code was updated and

01:33:24.800 --> 01:33:27.120
 include that as the update.

01:33:27.120 --> 01:33:31.320
 But during that presentation they did ask that we start putting neighborhood meetings

01:33:31.320 --> 01:33:32.880
 on the website.

01:33:32.880 --> 01:33:38.840
 So what we've done here is on the landing page of the development services website we've

01:33:38.840 --> 01:33:41.120
 added upcoming neighborhood meetings.

01:33:41.120 --> 01:33:45.000
 So right now we just have the one over the Christmas time.

01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:46.600
 We don't have many neighborhood meetings.

01:33:46.600 --> 01:33:54.760
 But as more of these come up, then we'll begin filling this area in with upcoming meetings.

01:33:54.760 --> 01:34:00.480
 Also we're going to begin sending those notifications out to planning and zoning as we become aware

01:34:00.480 --> 01:34:04.480
 of those as well.

01:34:04.480 --> 01:34:05.480
 >> Commissioner Beck.

01:34:05.480 --> 01:34:08.000
 >> What page was that on the website?

01:34:08.000 --> 01:34:10.720
 >> It's on the development services landing page.

01:34:10.720 --> 01:34:16.160
 And so also one of the recent changes is we've added a new domain name.

01:34:16.160 --> 01:34:21.440
 So if you go to Denton development services.com it will point you directly to our department

01:34:21.440 --> 01:34:22.440
 page right here.

01:34:22.440 --> 01:34:23.440
 >> Say that again.

01:34:23.440 --> 01:34:28.880
 >> Denton development services.com.

01:34:28.880 --> 01:34:34.720
 The other item I wanted to talk with you guys about today is the -- one second, let me pull

01:34:34.720 --> 01:34:35.720
 it up here.

01:34:35.720 --> 01:34:36.720
 The new submissions list.

01:34:36.720 --> 01:34:42.920
 So it's my understanding that recently you were copied on the new webpage with the map

01:34:42.920 --> 01:34:45.920
 of new submissions.

01:34:45.920 --> 01:34:51.600
 We've also added that online under our map page.

01:34:51.600 --> 01:34:52.600
 >> Commissioner Smith.

01:34:52.600 --> 01:34:53.600
 >> Thank you, Chair.

01:34:53.600 --> 01:34:57.040
 Charlie, how fast are those neighborhood meetings put up?

01:34:57.040 --> 01:35:01.080
 Because sometimes they -- I guess two questions really.

01:35:01.080 --> 01:35:04.040
 How quickly do you guys get notified of the neighborhood meetings?

01:35:04.040 --> 01:35:06.360
 How quickly are they put up on the website?

01:35:06.360 --> 01:35:08.160
 Sometimes we've had it before.

01:35:08.160 --> 01:35:14.160
 We've had projects come before us that say, well, we got notification two days before the

01:35:14.160 --> 01:35:19.040
 neighborhood meeting and they had the neighborhood meeting the week of the item and it just was

01:35:19.040 --> 01:35:20.040
 very quick.

01:35:20.040 --> 01:35:25.120
 So I don't know how quickly you guys are getting stuff up and how quickly you guys are getting

01:35:25.120 --> 01:35:26.120
 notified.

01:35:26.120 --> 01:35:27.120
 >> Yeah.

01:35:27.120 --> 01:35:30.000
 So in working with our communications department, we're trying to get that up as soon as we're

01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:32.000
 aware of it.

01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:35.520
 It's a new process to upload it to the website.

01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:38.560
 So we've had two thus far that have been included.

01:35:38.560 --> 01:35:42.740
 We had one in late November and then the one that's currently up there.

01:35:42.740 --> 01:35:47.040
 So we're getting them on the website same day that we're notified.

01:35:47.040 --> 01:35:53.140
 But as far as the notifications to the planners go, maybe Richard, you can tell me how often

01:35:53.140 --> 01:35:54.140
 we get them.

01:35:54.140 --> 01:35:59.320
 >> We typically try to get at least two weeks leeway or two weeks head time so people can

01:35:59.320 --> 01:36:00.640
 plan for it.

01:36:00.640 --> 01:36:02.480
 Sometimes it does go a little bit quicker.

01:36:02.480 --> 01:36:05.480
 And I think this time of year it's just with the holidays and everything.

01:36:05.480 --> 01:36:06.480
 >> Sure.

01:36:06.480 --> 01:36:07.480
 I get the time of year.

01:36:07.480 --> 01:36:11.080
 But I know there was projects in the past that were pretty quick, bang, bang, I mean,

01:36:11.080 --> 01:36:12.080
 not two weeks.

01:36:12.080 --> 01:36:18.080
 They were -- we certified mail out on October 24th and the project was -- or the meeting

01:36:18.080 --> 01:36:19.640
 was, you know, November 1st.

01:36:19.640 --> 01:36:24.000
 It's like that's not -- that's not two weeks.

01:36:24.000 --> 01:36:25.000
 I can do math.

01:36:25.000 --> 01:36:26.000
 >> Right.

01:36:26.000 --> 01:36:30.960
 >> When you say you're finding out about the meeting, I mean, is it -- you're finding out

01:36:30.960 --> 01:36:36.040
 about it, the developers finally telling you, the applicants finally telling you, what's

01:36:36.040 --> 01:36:40.760
 -- >> So I think just as for this one as an example,

01:36:40.760 --> 01:36:47.160
 the meeting's going to be held on December 18th and Ron was notified on December 5th.

01:36:47.160 --> 01:36:48.160
 >> Okay.

01:36:48.160 --> 01:36:51.080
 >> So they did let them know that they were going to hold that meeting at the --

01:36:51.080 --> 01:36:52.080
 >> It's pretty good lead time.

01:36:52.080 --> 01:36:53.080
 >> The central library there.

01:36:53.080 --> 01:36:54.080
 >> Chair.

01:36:54.080 --> 01:36:55.080
 >> Commissioner Bec.

01:36:55.080 --> 01:36:56.080
 >> Thank you.

01:36:56.080 --> 01:37:03.280
 There wouldn't by any chance be any way that somebody who wants to be made aware all the

01:37:03.280 --> 01:37:13.840
 time, that if we could go in here, we could put our email address and when those meetings

01:37:13.840 --> 01:37:21.000
 come up, it sends us an email out, I don't suppose -- is that capable of being done,

01:37:21.000 --> 01:37:22.000
 something maybe in the future?

01:37:22.000 --> 01:37:23.840
 >> That's definitely something we can look into.

01:37:23.840 --> 01:37:24.840
 >> Okay.

01:37:24.840 --> 01:37:26.840
 >> I know we have alerts.

01:37:26.840 --> 01:37:27.840
 >> But it would make it easier.

01:37:27.840 --> 01:37:33.560
 Otherwise, it's up to me to go and check every day.

01:37:33.560 --> 01:37:34.560
 >> Okay.

01:37:34.560 --> 01:37:40.240
 >> Well, one of the things that we have discussed is maybe the signs that we put up at properties,

01:37:40.240 --> 01:37:44.720
 including that link to where they can check for upcoming neighborhood meetings, give them

01:37:44.720 --> 01:37:49.280
 a spot when they see it to search out for it.

01:37:49.280 --> 01:37:52.680
 But we could look into some kind of sign up.

01:37:52.680 --> 01:37:53.680
 Yeah.

01:37:53.680 --> 01:37:54.680
 >> Commissioner Smith.

01:37:54.680 --> 01:37:55.680
 >> Thank you.

01:37:55.680 --> 01:38:02.800
 Can you go back, Charlie, can you go back to the actual -- the good Sam one?

01:38:02.800 --> 01:38:07.840
 I just wanted to see what actually -- when you say learn more, what exactly is in there?

01:38:07.840 --> 01:38:11.640
 Is there going to be kind of the -- what things that are kind of the backup and everything

01:38:11.640 --> 01:38:13.280
 else or just that?

01:38:13.280 --> 01:38:19.880
 >> So it's just date, time, a small synopsis, someone they can reach out to if they want

01:38:19.880 --> 01:38:24.080
 more information, that's going to be kind of our standard template and then if there's

01:38:24.080 --> 01:38:31.080
 any flyer or associated information, this one I think they included their own synopsis

01:38:31.080 --> 01:38:32.600
 and then some maps.

01:38:32.600 --> 01:38:38.320
 >> Is there a way for us to include -- I know that it all depends upon when the agenda committee

01:38:38.320 --> 01:38:42.760
 is able to get this stuff out and it's all been posted for public notice, but is there

01:38:42.760 --> 01:38:47.160
 a way for us to incorporate -- I guess maybe this question is a little stupid, but a way

01:38:47.160 --> 01:38:52.240
 for us to incorporate the public documents into that link for that specific neighborhood

01:38:52.240 --> 01:38:56.240
 meeting if it's a zoning case and then we already got the documents that already made

01:38:56.240 --> 01:39:01.140
 public record, include them on that link so that if they want to be able to go look at

01:39:01.140 --> 01:39:06.840
 the -- some of the documents that we're getting, that we're getting put on the website.

01:39:06.840 --> 01:39:08.600
 >> I think that's where we're trying to head.

01:39:08.600 --> 01:39:09.600
 >> Okay.

01:39:09.600 --> 01:39:18.840
 >> If we can go -- I don't know, Charlie, if you can pull up the submission list.

01:39:18.840 --> 01:39:19.840
 >> Yeah.

01:39:19.840 --> 01:39:24.200
 >> So what we'd like to do with that is be able to click on and actually open up -- sort

01:39:24.200 --> 01:39:29.880
 of have a one stop shop essentially for all your application questions.

01:39:29.880 --> 01:39:30.880
 >> Okay.

01:39:30.880 --> 01:39:36.280
 >> But pull that up, have one in the neighborhood meeting, have when it's projected, go to P&Z

01:39:36.280 --> 01:39:38.400
 in city council if need be.

01:39:38.400 --> 01:39:39.400
 >> Okay.

01:39:39.400 --> 01:39:40.400
 Got it.

01:39:40.400 --> 01:39:43.400
 >> And so we expect to essentially just start to build on that.

01:39:43.400 --> 01:39:44.400
 >> Okay.

01:39:44.400 --> 01:39:45.400
 Yeah, that was my recommendation.

01:39:45.400 --> 01:39:46.400
 Hopefully I see that.

01:39:46.400 --> 01:39:48.400
 But this is a good move forward.

01:39:48.400 --> 01:39:49.400
 Appreciate it.

01:39:49.400 --> 01:39:50.400
 >> All right.

01:39:50.400 --> 01:39:58.920
 The weekly submission list was the last thing I was going to update on, so if anybody else

01:39:58.920 --> 01:40:00.960
 has any questions.

01:40:00.960 --> 01:40:05.040
 Thank you, guys.

01:40:05.040 --> 01:40:12.400
 >> Thank you, Charlie.

01:40:12.400 --> 01:40:13.400
 Okay.

01:40:13.400 --> 01:40:14.960
 With that, that concludes our work session.

01:40:14.960 --> 01:40:18.920
 I will -- or close our work session at 6.15 p.m.

01:40:18.920 --> 01:40:24.400
 Charlie will reconvene in council chambers at 6.30.

01:40:24.400 --> 01:40:25.400
 >> Good evening.

01:40:25.400 --> 01:40:26.400
 Thank you for your patience.

01:40:26.400 --> 01:40:30.880
 Welcome to the city of Denton's planning and zoning commission meeting for Wednesday, December

01:40:30.880 --> 01:40:33.200
 12, 2018.

01:40:33.200 --> 01:40:39.840
 With the quorum present, I will call our meeting to order at 6.44 p.m.

01:40:39.840 --> 01:40:43.080
 First on our agenda is the pledge to the U.S. and Texas flags.

01:40:43.080 --> 01:40:45.800
 Please join us and stand if you can.

01:40:45.800 --> 01:40:52.840
 >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic

01:40:52.840 --> 01:41:00.280
 for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for

01:41:00.280 --> 01:41:01.280
 all.

01:41:01.280 --> 01:41:09.160
 Under the United States flag, I pledge allegiance to the United States of Texas, one state,

01:41:09.160 --> 01:41:14.320
 under God, one nation, indivisible.

01:41:14.320 --> 01:41:15.320
 >> Thank you.

01:41:15.320 --> 01:41:18.120
 I would like to make a couple of notes.

01:41:18.120 --> 01:41:22.840
 Two public hearing items are removed today from the agenda.

01:41:22.840 --> 01:41:30.360
 Public hearing AZ180011 is postponed to January 9th meeting.

01:41:30.360 --> 01:41:39.520
 And public hearing case DZ180021H has been permanently withdrawn from the city.

01:41:39.520 --> 01:41:50.920
 Okay, that will bring us to our item 2, which is approval of our planning and zoning minutes.

01:41:50.920 --> 01:41:53.200
 We will take these individually.

01:41:53.200 --> 01:41:55.920
 We've got November 14th.

01:41:55.920 --> 01:41:58.800
 Entertain a motion or discussion.

01:41:58.800 --> 01:42:00.360
 Commissioner Beck.

01:42:00.360 --> 01:42:06.320
 >> I move we approve minutes of November 14th.

01:42:06.320 --> 01:42:08.320
 >> November 14th?

01:42:08.320 --> 01:42:12.600
 >> Commissioner Pernado.

01:42:12.600 --> 01:42:14.380
 >> Quick clarification.

01:42:14.380 --> 01:42:18.000
 We were requiring an update to the -- >> Not on these minutes.

01:42:18.000 --> 01:42:19.000
 >> Okay.

01:42:19.000 --> 01:42:20.000
 Oh, I'm sorry.

01:42:20.000 --> 01:42:21.000
 Then second, yes.

01:42:21.000 --> 01:42:22.000
 >> Okay.

01:42:22.000 --> 01:42:26.200
 We've got a first and a second to approve November 14th PNZ minutes.

01:42:26.200 --> 01:42:27.200
 Any discussion?

01:42:27.200 --> 01:42:28.200
 Okay.

01:42:28.200 --> 01:42:49.080
 I'll call for a vote.

01:42:49.080 --> 01:42:55.280
 That passes 5-0 with one abstention in the November 28th minutes.

01:42:55.280 --> 01:42:56.280
 Commissioner Smith.

01:42:56.280 --> 01:43:02.120
 >> Motion to approve, but with the removal of line 43 on page 10.

01:43:02.120 --> 01:43:03.120
 >> Commissioner Pernado.

01:43:03.120 --> 01:43:04.120
 >> I'll second with the amendment.

01:43:04.120 --> 01:43:05.120
 >> Very good.

01:43:05.120 --> 01:43:12.440
 We've got a first and a second to remove -- approve with removing line 43 page 10 of those minutes.

01:43:12.440 --> 01:43:13.440
 Any discussion?

01:43:13.440 --> 01:43:14.440
 Okay.

01:43:14.440 --> 01:43:22.720
 Let's call for a vote.

01:43:22.720 --> 01:43:25.480
 Motion carries 6-0.

01:43:25.480 --> 01:43:30.680
 That moves us to our consent agenda.

01:43:30.680 --> 01:43:31.680
 Commissioner Smith.

01:43:31.680 --> 01:43:33.920
 >> Motion to approve the consent agenda.

01:43:33.920 --> 01:43:34.920
 >> Commissioner Beck.

01:43:34.920 --> 01:43:35.920
 >> Second.

01:43:35.920 --> 01:43:38.480
 >> We have a first and a second to approve consent agenda.

01:43:38.480 --> 01:43:39.920
 Any discussion?

01:43:39.920 --> 01:43:40.920
 Okay.

01:43:40.920 --> 01:43:50.480
 Let's call for a vote.

01:43:50.480 --> 01:43:52.360
 Motion carries 6-0.

01:43:52.360 --> 01:43:57.400
 Okay, that will move us to our public hearings.

01:43:57.400 --> 01:44:07.200
 With A being removed, we will go to public hearing B, DCA 18-0008.

01:44:07.200 --> 01:44:10.600
 I will open the public hearing at this time.

01:44:10.600 --> 01:44:13.040
 Hi, Haley.

01:44:13.040 --> 01:44:16.960
 >> All right.

01:44:16.960 --> 01:44:22.560
 So this item is the update to the -- we're now calling the conservation and landscape

01:44:22.560 --> 01:44:24.440
 code.

01:44:24.440 --> 01:44:31.880
 And I think Richard and I will kind of tag team this one with him speaking from the dais.

01:44:31.880 --> 01:44:44.240
 >> Sorry, I'm trying to get a pull-up on my screen.

01:44:44.240 --> 01:44:52.360
 Again, just wanted to -- for those that are hearing this for the first time, I know the

01:44:52.360 --> 01:44:56.300
 commission has seen this slide already, but just again wanted to go through a little bit

01:44:56.300 --> 01:45:02.640
 of the background into the tree preservation ordinance and sort of where it started from.

01:45:02.640 --> 01:45:09.220
 So it started in 2003 as a reaction to redevelopment of flow hospital.

01:45:09.220 --> 01:45:13.320
 So the tree preservation landscape requirements that we have today were essentially adopted

01:45:13.320 --> 01:45:14.320
 in 2004.

01:45:14.320 --> 01:45:23.200
 A year later, there was the Denton Citizens Tree Committee created to look at that ordinance

01:45:23.200 --> 01:45:28.960
 and recommend tightening it and eliminating some loopholes.

01:45:28.960 --> 01:45:34.480
 And so this update, ironically, has been going on since 2005.

01:45:34.480 --> 01:45:40.360
 There's been multiple drafts by multiple different individuals, however, there was never a real

01:45:40.360 --> 01:45:45.480
 consensus on updating the regulations.

01:45:45.480 --> 01:45:54.400
 In 2014, however, there was a change to the code -- I'm sorry, in 2015, a recommendation

01:45:54.400 --> 01:46:02.840
 from council that looked at doing some streamlining, but expand and protect -- to expand and protect

01:46:02.840 --> 01:46:07.360
 tree canopy, including planting of trees on private property with expenditures from the

01:46:07.360 --> 01:46:08.360
 tree fund.

01:46:08.360 --> 01:46:14.900
 In 2014, there were some minor amendments that were made, more so on the -- that had

01:46:14.900 --> 01:46:20.640
 to do with the tree fund and how that could be used.

01:46:20.640 --> 01:46:25.520
 Shortly thereafter, 2016, there was the State of Denton Urban Forest that provided sort

01:46:25.520 --> 01:46:30.800
 of a good background and baseline of what we actually have today, or at least at that

01:46:30.800 --> 01:46:37.960
 point in time, as far as canopy and some of the value of those trees.

01:46:37.960 --> 01:46:46.320
 And then over the last -- through '16-'17, there's been multiple drafts that were presented.

01:46:46.320 --> 01:46:53.040
 And then in 2017, early 2017, there was a council work session that talked about -- that

01:46:53.040 --> 01:46:59.360
 examined purchasing properties, five properties to be exact, however, nothing at that time

01:46:59.360 --> 01:47:01.680
 came about.

01:47:01.680 --> 01:47:09.760
 Including that in 2017, there was a House Bill 744, which looked at providing some preemptions

01:47:09.760 --> 01:47:12.440
 for municipalities and regulating trees.

01:47:12.440 --> 01:47:19.060
 That bill failed, however, in the special session, House Bill 7 was approved and ultimately

01:47:19.060 --> 01:47:26.160
 signed into law, creating Section 212-095 of the Texas Local Government Code that's

01:47:26.160 --> 01:47:34.080
 now on the books that provides some limitations but not as far-reaching, I think, as what

01:47:34.080 --> 01:47:40.080
 was originally planned or intended from 744.

01:47:40.080 --> 01:47:44.880
 And so over the last year, this is just sort of a highlight of where we were and where

01:47:44.880 --> 01:47:46.440
 we are today.

01:47:46.440 --> 01:47:51.320
 So again, earlier in April -- in the spring, April, May, we had a policy discussion with

01:47:51.320 --> 01:47:56.440
 both council and the Committee on the Environment and then held a series of those -- series

01:47:56.440 --> 01:48:02.040
 of meetings with the Committee on the Environment over a multitude of drafts and sort of concepts

01:48:02.040 --> 01:48:04.160
 that we worked through.

01:48:04.160 --> 01:48:09.600
 And then ultimately, the draft that you have today is sort of a combination of that, along

01:48:09.600 --> 01:48:15.200
 with one, making sure we increase preservation and mitigation, look to unify landscaping

01:48:15.200 --> 01:48:21.200
 and the Environmentally Sensitive Areas Standards, or ESA, and most importantly, that we comply

01:48:21.200 --> 01:48:25.680
 with the Texas Local Government Code.

01:48:25.680 --> 01:48:29.840
 And so just to touch on some of the goals that we talked about, when we first sort of

01:48:29.840 --> 01:48:33.920
 stepped back and approached this one thing, we wanted to make sure that we -- you know,

01:48:33.920 --> 01:48:38.240
 what do we want to accomplish with this update?

01:48:38.240 --> 01:48:45.280
 And so we sort of laid out a couple of goals to really sort of guide us through -- guide

01:48:45.280 --> 01:48:49.600
 us through the process.

01:48:49.600 --> 01:48:55.200
 And then just to briefly touch on that House Bill 7 and what it did.

01:48:55.200 --> 01:49:00.840
 So one thing -- what it did is it prohibits a city from requiring homeowners from paying

01:49:00.840 --> 01:49:07.880
 any mitigation fees or replanting for any tree under 10 inches at DBH, and DBH's diameter

01:49:07.880 --> 01:49:12.120
 at breast height, which is a measurement of 4 1/2 feet above the ground.

01:49:12.120 --> 01:49:21.040
 In addition to that, if the tree is diseased or dead, how diseased is defined, you know,

01:49:21.040 --> 01:49:27.600
 it was not included in that bill, as well as any tree that poses an imminent or immediate

01:49:27.600 --> 01:49:29.480
 threat to persons or property.

01:49:29.480 --> 01:49:34.080
 Again, not very well defined and could ultimately mean a lot of different things to different

01:49:34.080 --> 01:49:37.600
 people.

01:49:37.600 --> 01:49:45.200
 Tree fee credits, that's also something that was new, that I don't think was in some of

01:49:45.200 --> 01:49:50.160
 the other previous draft bills, so that any time a municipality imposes a tree mitigation

01:49:50.160 --> 01:49:54.600
 fee for tree removal, they must allow that person to apply for a credit for tree planting

01:49:54.600 --> 01:49:56.840
 to offset that amount.

01:49:56.840 --> 01:50:03.240
 And that -- in order to do that, it must be planted on the property for where the mitigation

01:50:03.240 --> 01:50:09.560
 fee was assessed, or in a mutually agreed upon area by the municipality and the person,

01:50:09.560 --> 01:50:13.040
 and then be at least 2 inches in diameter at the point of the trunk, 4 1/2 feet above

01:50:13.040 --> 01:50:17.060
 the ground, or that DBH measurement.

01:50:17.060 --> 01:50:25.720
 And then in addition, there's also language about a 50% credit for residential and a 40%

01:50:25.720 --> 01:50:28.000
 credit for non-residential.

01:50:28.000 --> 01:50:34.280
 And as I stated, I think at the last meeting, we've seen this put in one or two codes already.

01:50:34.280 --> 01:50:40.720
 A lot of people don't have yet to incorporate this into their development codes.

01:50:40.720 --> 01:50:44.680
 And interestingly enough, everybody kind of reads this a little bit differently.

01:50:44.680 --> 01:50:52.760
 So we took just a very liberal interpretation that -- just a 50% credit, and you'll see

01:50:52.760 --> 01:50:58.600
 how that -- how we've worked that into the current draft.

01:50:58.600 --> 01:51:02.680
 And so what I wanted to do, again, is now sort of step back, and so this is a little

01:51:02.680 --> 01:51:05.520
 bit different, I think, than what we -- what I presented in the past.

01:51:05.520 --> 01:51:13.320
 I wanted to switch it up so everyone gets excited and energized.

01:51:13.320 --> 01:51:16.800
 But really, what this does is it has four major elements.

01:51:16.800 --> 01:51:22.800
 So it has -- combines environmentally sensitive area, regulations, tree preservation, buffer,

01:51:22.800 --> 01:51:24.840
 and landscape.

01:51:24.840 --> 01:51:27.360
 And couples highlight changes.

01:51:27.360 --> 01:51:31.680
 Preserved trees will now be able to count for landscape and canopy.

01:51:31.680 --> 01:51:35.480
 New plannings require diversity of tree age and species.

01:51:35.480 --> 01:51:39.680
 There's also a section on low impact development standards.

01:51:39.680 --> 01:51:43.280
 There's no more credits available for pervious area.

01:51:43.280 --> 01:51:48.360
 At times, people were able to put pavers in their driveway and count that towards meeting

01:51:48.360 --> 01:51:51.240
 their open space or landscape requirements.

01:51:51.240 --> 01:51:58.840
 And so that will be eliminated, as well as any credits for ESA for canopy or landscape.

01:51:58.840 --> 01:52:06.120
 And we did create a buffer and landscape area point system, which we think is -- offers

01:52:06.120 --> 01:52:11.820
 some flexibility, but also provides at least some level of assurances.

01:52:11.820 --> 01:52:17.400
 And on the table that you see on the right, we have two sort of distinct measurements.

01:52:17.400 --> 01:52:22.320
 One is the landscape area, and the second is the tree canopy cover.

01:52:22.320 --> 01:52:27.920
 And these are essentially what's on the books today, and we're just carrying those forward.

01:52:27.920 --> 01:52:34.960
 And so a couple changes on the applicability that I wanted to highlight.

01:52:34.960 --> 01:52:42.560
 We did strike most of the city facilities or projects that currently are exempt.

01:52:42.560 --> 01:52:47.640
 The only one that remained is the city airport, and they're sort of under separate guise as

01:52:47.640 --> 01:52:51.640
 far as trees and obstructions with respect to the airport.

01:52:51.640 --> 01:52:56.400
 But we also included in there single family and duplex lots with trees under 10 inches

01:52:56.400 --> 01:52:57.400
 of DBH.

01:52:57.400 --> 01:53:00.600
 Again, that's straight from the local government code.

01:53:00.600 --> 01:53:06.680
 But this would require or this would apply now to single family or duplex lots if the

01:53:06.680 --> 01:53:08.440
 tree was greater than 10 inches.

01:53:08.440 --> 01:53:10.760
 Right now, it does not apply to single family.

01:53:10.760 --> 01:53:15.800
 So this is a significant change in that it will apply to single family properties, at

01:53:15.800 --> 01:53:19.080
 least in the current draft.

01:53:19.080 --> 01:53:20.520
 And then these are the tree types.

01:53:20.520 --> 01:53:27.880
 And so what I wanted to do here is just sort of use the existing definitions from the code

01:53:27.880 --> 01:53:30.040
 just in sort of a strike through and underline.

01:53:30.040 --> 01:53:34.840
 And so protected essentially is what we're calling now a heritage tree.

01:53:34.840 --> 01:53:39.200
 And protected is sort of encumbering all of the trees.

01:53:39.200 --> 01:53:44.940
 Quality tree is relatively the same.

01:53:44.940 --> 01:53:49.400
 Secondary trees, we struck mesquite and locust.

01:53:49.400 --> 01:53:52.480
 We're proposing that those trees be exempt.

01:53:52.480 --> 01:53:55.320
 Initially, we didn't have large secondary trees.

01:53:55.320 --> 01:53:59.600
 We were incorporating those into the heritage tree.

01:53:59.600 --> 01:54:04.040
 But as we started to look at that and sort of run a couple different scenarios, it became

01:54:04.040 --> 01:54:07.280
 a little bit more difficult with respect to the credits.

01:54:07.280 --> 01:54:13.760
 And so while it's not in this current discussion draft, large secondary trees will be brought

01:54:13.760 --> 01:54:20.760
 back in and include all but the mesquite and locust.

01:54:20.760 --> 01:54:26.140
 And so with that, we've created this non-protected tree list.

01:54:26.140 --> 01:54:29.680
 And so you have the mesquite honey locust, again, unless it's part of a preserved habitat

01:54:29.680 --> 01:54:34.860
 or conservation easement, which we'll get into in a little bit, crepe myrtle diseased

01:54:34.860 --> 01:54:38.760
 or dead trees, trees that pose an imminent or immediate threat to a person's property

01:54:38.760 --> 01:54:45.000
 or any tree listed on the Texas Department of Ag noxious and invasive plant list.

01:54:45.000 --> 01:54:48.240
 And what I wanted to do, I don't want to spend a whole lot of time on this table, but I wanted

01:54:48.240 --> 01:54:54.740
 to at least provide some rationale as to how when we really look to exempt those trees,

01:54:54.740 --> 01:54:59.480
 some of the thought that went into it, it wasn't just because we didn't like the trees.

01:54:59.480 --> 01:55:05.160
 While they do pose some challenges with the thorns, particularly the honey locust and

01:55:05.160 --> 01:55:10.720
 even the mesquite to a certain extent, what we did is we pulled this from that 2016 State

01:55:10.720 --> 01:55:12.800
 of Denton urban forest.

01:55:12.800 --> 01:55:17.480
 And what it did is it measured things based on a functional value, which looks at carbon

01:55:17.480 --> 01:55:23.660
 sequestration, avoided runoff, pollution removal, energy costs and carbon emission reductions.

01:55:23.660 --> 01:55:28.120
 And then it has a structural value, which is the replacement cost for the type of tree

01:55:28.120 --> 01:55:30.580
 it is and carbon storage.

01:55:30.580 --> 01:55:34.380
 And so when we really looked at this, thought it was interesting when you take the exempt

01:55:34.380 --> 01:55:36.600
 or the honey locust and mesquite.

01:55:36.600 --> 01:55:41.920
 So it's 8% of the population, it covers 2% of the leaf area, but provides no functional

01:55:41.920 --> 01:55:42.920
 or structural value.

01:55:42.920 --> 01:55:46.360
 Again, this is from that 2016 report.

01:55:46.360 --> 01:55:52.080
 The mesquite provides a little bit of functional value, but no structural value.

01:55:52.080 --> 01:55:57.560
 I'll just kind of roll down to the box down below.

01:55:57.560 --> 01:56:04.120
 And so post oak and pecan make up 10% of the trees, 14% of the leaf area, but has 36%

01:56:04.120 --> 01:56:07.400
 of the functional value and 29% of the structural value.

01:56:07.400 --> 01:56:12.680
 And so if you look at pecan, that's only 1% of our population, but it provides 13% of

01:56:12.680 --> 01:56:14.680
 the functional and 12% of the structural.

01:56:14.680 --> 01:56:20.160
 So for just a small amount, it does a lot, if you will.

01:56:20.160 --> 01:56:22.680
 And then the exempt and secondary trees.

01:56:22.680 --> 01:56:30.280
 At one point, we were looking at having all secondary trees be exempt, but just looking

01:56:30.280 --> 01:56:35.800
 at exempt and secondary together, they make up 36% of the trees, 31% of the leaf area,

01:56:35.800 --> 01:56:40.600
 but only 18% of the functional value and only 12% of the structural value.

01:56:40.600 --> 01:56:46.560
 And so that was part of the rationalities for us in looking at where should we put the

01:56:46.560 --> 01:56:53.400
 focus on preservation.

01:56:53.400 --> 01:56:58.080
 And so what I want to do with that is just show, kind of go back again to where our current

01:56:58.080 --> 01:56:59.080
 tree code is.

01:56:59.080 --> 01:57:04.280
 And so I kind of grouped secondary and large secondary and then quality and protected.

01:57:04.280 --> 01:57:10.160
 And then if you recall, we have different standards if you're considered infill or not.

01:57:10.160 --> 01:57:16.480
 And so if you're infill, there's absolutely no preservation requirements, no minimum preservation.

01:57:16.480 --> 01:57:25.080
 And there is some mitigation, but interestingly, it's only if you're greater than a half acre.

01:57:25.080 --> 01:57:27.280
 And even then, it's not a lot.

01:57:27.280 --> 01:57:35.400
 And then outside, if you're not considered an infill lot, again, it really focuses on

01:57:35.400 --> 01:57:39.080
 quality and secondary and not large secondary or protected trees.

01:57:39.080 --> 01:57:45.120
 So if you're a protected tree, you have to mitigate, but there's no minimum preservation

01:57:45.120 --> 01:57:46.760
 requirement related to that.

01:57:46.760 --> 01:57:52.520
 And I think that's where you see a lot of that, where people get upset where they see

01:57:52.520 --> 01:57:58.000
 some larger trees being cut down or post oaks being cut down and mosquitoes are being saved

01:57:58.000 --> 01:58:00.840
 or something less desirable.

01:58:00.840 --> 01:58:06.040
 And it's because there's not a requirement to preserve those, at least, again, this is

01:58:06.040 --> 01:58:08.700
 the current code today.

01:58:08.700 --> 01:58:10.600
 And so these are the tables right from the code.

01:58:10.600 --> 01:58:12.160
 I just want to kind of provide that summary.

01:58:12.160 --> 01:58:18.720
 Just see where it is and the mitigation that's required.

01:58:18.720 --> 01:58:25.020
 And here it is for non-infill lots.

01:58:25.020 --> 01:58:31.080
 And so this is sort of a comparison of current versus proposed.

01:58:31.080 --> 01:58:34.960
 And I didn't use the infill, I just used the non-infill.

01:58:34.960 --> 01:58:42.160
 And so proposed minimum preservation, yes, for all tree types, and then -- I'm sorry,

01:58:42.160 --> 01:58:44.300
 with the exception of secondary.

01:58:44.300 --> 01:58:48.340
 And then proposed mitigation, yes, for all four types.

01:58:48.340 --> 01:58:54.960
 And so you see where really the only change is at the secondary, where we're not requiring

01:58:54.960 --> 01:58:59.440
 any minimum preservation.

01:58:59.440 --> 01:59:03.800
 And so you may recall this graphic from the last meeting.

01:59:03.800 --> 01:59:09.040
 What we did do is we revised where we had secondary, sort of pulled that off to the

01:59:09.040 --> 01:59:10.040
 side.

01:59:10.040 --> 01:59:15.840
 Now, secondary, again, it's not required to be part of that 30 percent minimum preservation.

01:59:15.840 --> 01:59:18.320
 However, there is a replacement rate.

01:59:18.320 --> 01:59:22.440
 So it's really any tree that you remove, regardless of size.

01:59:22.440 --> 01:59:26.600
 So it'd be six inches to 17.9 inches.

01:59:26.600 --> 01:59:29.880
 You could remove, but you still have to mitigate.

01:59:29.880 --> 01:59:35.920
 Rather than mitigate it for an inch basis, it's done at one replacement tree, and a replacement

01:59:35.920 --> 01:59:37.480
 tree has to be two inches.

01:59:37.480 --> 01:59:41.840
 Again, that's -- we're using the local government code standard for that.

01:59:41.840 --> 01:59:46.880
 So large secondary tree, instead of incorporating that into a heritage tree, it just kind of

01:59:46.880 --> 01:59:48.360
 stands alone.

01:59:48.360 --> 01:59:54.600
 And so if you're a boat art actor or a cottonwood, it can be included in that 30 percent.

01:59:54.600 --> 01:59:57.240
 There's the replacement rate at two to one.

01:59:57.240 --> 02:00:01.200
 And then there is that credit, again, that I'll go through the table.

02:00:01.200 --> 02:00:07.640
 But there is zero preservation credit for the large secondary.

02:00:07.640 --> 02:00:13.840
 If you recall, we also had some options since we were -- we took the credits out of -- for

02:00:13.840 --> 02:00:14.840
 the ESO.

02:00:14.840 --> 02:00:20.040
 So what we did is we came up with a -- what we called is a preserved habitat.

02:00:20.040 --> 02:00:26.040
 And so if it's an expansion of an ESA area, you can reduce your minimum preservation down

02:00:26.040 --> 02:00:27.960
 to 20 percent.

02:00:27.960 --> 02:00:34.380
 However, it needs to be -- the preserved habitat needs to be 10 percent of the total site or

02:00:34.380 --> 02:00:38.520
 a minimum of 5,000 square feet.

02:00:38.520 --> 02:00:42.720
 And then if you don't have an ESA on this site, we looked at having the ability of someone

02:00:42.720 --> 02:00:44.600
 to do a conservation easement.

02:00:44.600 --> 02:00:52.560
 Again, you can go down to 20 percent and then 10 percent or 5,000.

02:00:52.560 --> 02:00:57.160
 Now if you recall from that table, if you do have a -- particularly in the preserved

02:00:57.160 --> 02:00:58.160
 habitat.

02:00:58.160 --> 02:01:03.200
 So if you do -- if you are sort of carrying forward and that ESA happens to be a floodplain

02:01:03.200 --> 02:01:10.560
 area that has multiple honey locusts or mosquitoes, those honey locusts or mosquitoes can be counted

02:01:10.560 --> 02:01:13.280
 for in that preserved habitat.

02:01:13.280 --> 02:01:19.240
 So that -- so it's not completely excluded, but rather than go in and disrupt a habitat

02:01:19.240 --> 02:01:25.680
 or continuation of an ESA, we allowed that to count.

02:01:25.680 --> 02:01:30.520
 And so what I did here is rather than pull a multitude of examples, I thought it might

02:01:30.520 --> 02:01:34.780
 be easier to just make one up.

02:01:34.780 --> 02:01:40.720
 So what I did is I used the iTree design, if you've ever -- I can send you all a link.

02:01:40.720 --> 02:01:43.440
 It's actually a pretty cool software.

02:01:43.440 --> 02:01:46.000
 So what I did is I chose this lot.

02:01:46.000 --> 02:01:54.160
 It's about an acre, and I -- so the trees that you see in the column on the left, those

02:01:54.160 --> 02:01:56.880
 are the trees that are representative there.

02:01:56.880 --> 02:02:03.200
 And the canopy growth is essentially what they predicted that based on -- based on the

02:02:03.200 --> 02:02:06.920
 data that they have within the iTree, and this is at -- at this time.

02:02:06.920 --> 02:02:10.040
 So it's not a 20-year growth or 30-year growth.

02:02:10.040 --> 02:02:14.280
 You can predict all of that, but for this exercise I did not.

02:02:14.280 --> 02:02:18.960
 I know some of you may be counting it, saying you're missing a tree.

02:02:18.960 --> 02:02:25.320
 Ironically, the mesquite is not -- was not a choice, it was not an option.

02:02:25.320 --> 02:02:30.600
 And so at least under this exercise, they didn't recognize it as a tree, and so that's

02:02:30.600 --> 02:02:36.760
 why you don't see it on the -- on the -- on the exercise.

02:02:36.760 --> 02:02:42.640
 And so what I did is I took this and assumed that it was a one-acre infill parcel.

02:02:42.640 --> 02:02:45.680
 Just to give you an idea of what it -- what it does.

02:02:45.680 --> 02:02:48.240
 And so this is -- again, this is the current code.

02:02:48.240 --> 02:02:55.000
 And so under the current code, there's zero preserved, and then mitigation would be 71.5

02:02:55.000 --> 02:02:58.320
 inches or 36 trees we typically round up.

02:02:58.320 --> 02:03:03.400
 Or if you just paid it, it would be just under $9,000.

02:03:03.400 --> 02:03:10.640
 And then assuming that it wouldn't fall into a infill lot, it changes -- you do have some

02:03:10.640 --> 02:03:15.520
 preserved trees, albeit 14 inches.

02:03:15.520 --> 02:03:21.920
 If you look at the column under preserved, the -- what I have in parentheses, the 2 1/2,

02:03:21.920 --> 02:03:27.320
 the 2 1/2 and 5, that's actually what would be required based on the code.

02:03:27.320 --> 02:03:30.920
 And so because they don't have a tree that's small, so they're only required to preserve

02:03:30.920 --> 02:03:32.560
 2 1/2 inches.

02:03:32.560 --> 02:03:38.320
 And so because we just took the closest tree to that, and so that's why you have the 14

02:03:38.320 --> 02:03:45.760
 inches, but technically only 5 inches would have been required to be preserved.

02:03:45.760 --> 02:03:49.040
 So that's that 14 -- those 14 inches.

02:03:49.040 --> 02:03:50.760
 So everything else could be taken down.

02:03:50.760 --> 02:03:56.960
 And then there is some mitigation, either planting 62 trees or paying $15,000, just

02:03:56.960 --> 02:03:57.960
 over $15,000.

02:03:57.960 --> 02:04:01.920
 Again, this is the current code today.

02:04:01.920 --> 02:04:08.360
 And so using that same example, I'm going to go through sort of what we're proposing

02:04:08.360 --> 02:04:11.800
 in a couple different scenarios.

02:04:11.800 --> 02:04:20.080
 And so under the first scenario, we looked at if you preserved all of the post oaks.

02:04:20.080 --> 02:04:21.840
 And so this sort of carries forward.

02:04:21.840 --> 02:04:30.680
 And if you look at the spreadsheet or the chart that's within the regulations, I thought

02:04:30.680 --> 02:04:36.760
 this might be a little bit easier to follow, and I can't point to it, so I'll try to

02:04:36.760 --> 02:04:39.720
 describe it as best I can.

02:04:39.720 --> 02:04:44.120
 But really what we did is, so if you look at the heritage trees, 42 inches, that takes

02:04:44.120 --> 02:04:50.360
 into account the pecan and the black walnut, the 22 and 20.

02:04:50.360 --> 02:04:56.840
 Heritage post oak, there was zero removed, but that is the -- there's 24 inches total

02:04:56.840 --> 02:05:01.540
 there, which you see down in the column for preserved.

02:05:01.540 --> 02:05:08.760
 Quality trees, there was 12 inches removed.

02:05:08.760 --> 02:05:16.520
 And then 8 inches that were preserved, that's the -- I'm sorry, that's the pecan.

02:05:16.520 --> 02:05:21.280
 Large secondary, there were 19 removed.

02:05:21.280 --> 02:05:24.720
 And then secondary, there were three trees.

02:05:24.720 --> 02:05:28.680
 And so under calculated DBH, that's the multiplier.

02:05:28.680 --> 02:05:39.080
 So it's three for heritage, quality is one and a half, and large secondary is one and

02:05:39.080 --> 02:05:40.680
 a half.

02:05:40.680 --> 02:05:45.480
 And then the three, that's the two inches, and so that's how that gets calculated.

02:05:45.480 --> 02:05:49.720
 And then your preliminary, so that's your total calculated DBH.

02:05:49.720 --> 02:05:58.680
 Eliminary mitigation DBH, which applies that 50% credit to that 188, gives you the 94.

02:05:58.680 --> 02:06:06.160
 And so going down to the preserved section of this, there's the three multiplier, because

02:06:06.160 --> 02:06:10.540
 you're preserving the post oak, so that brings it to 72.

02:06:10.540 --> 02:06:18.200
 You get some, you get a half for quality trees, we put that at .5, and so there is some credit

02:06:18.200 --> 02:06:23.760
 that you get for the quality, so your preserved credit is 76, so your total mitigation inches

02:06:23.760 --> 02:06:29.160
 would be 18 under this scenario.

02:06:29.160 --> 02:06:40.440
 And then we did a -- I did a second scenario that removed all of the post oaks, removed

02:06:40.440 --> 02:06:51.400
 all, but removed 20, I'm sorry, removed 22 inches of heritage, preserved the quality,

02:06:51.400 --> 02:06:54.960
 removed large secondary, and then as well as the secondary.

02:06:54.960 --> 02:06:59.680
 And so your total calculated DBH, 182, preliminary at 91.

02:06:59.680 --> 02:07:04.880
 So your heritage, you do get that, you do get the credit.

02:07:04.880 --> 02:07:09.200
 And then quality, you still get the credit, so your preserved credit is 50, which brings

02:07:09.200 --> 02:07:11.000
 your mitigation inches at 41.

02:07:11.000 --> 02:07:17.560
 And so again, same project, just different methods and options for somebody.

02:07:17.560 --> 02:07:25.160
 And then I did a third option, just to kind of give you the look and feel of it all.

02:07:25.160 --> 02:07:31.720
 So if they just preserved quality and large secondaries and decided to cut out all of

02:07:31.720 --> 02:07:37.120
 the post oaks and all of the heritage trees, I won't go through the whole steps again,

02:07:37.120 --> 02:07:43.760
 but you see your mitigation inches comes up drastically to 92.

02:07:43.760 --> 02:07:48.720
 So really they have an option, they can go 18 if you preserve sort of the -- what we'll

02:07:48.720 --> 02:07:54.040
 call the heritage trees, or if you want to go with the quality or smaller trees, then

02:07:54.040 --> 02:07:58.920
 your mitigation will be much higher.

02:07:58.920 --> 02:08:03.640
 And then as far as mitigation fee, the current fee is at 125.

02:08:03.640 --> 02:08:13.240
 At one point we had proposed following a manual that references a calculation for tree, which

02:08:13.240 --> 02:08:17.360
 was essentially came out to about 202 at DBH.

02:08:17.360 --> 02:08:24.080
 We talked to parks to see what the actual cost, their cost is for that, and they're

02:08:24.080 --> 02:08:26.440
 at 317 an inch.

02:08:26.440 --> 02:08:31.520
 And so we don't know where -- this will be something ultimately that council decides,

02:08:31.520 --> 02:08:37.080
 but most likely it will be greater -- I would anticipate it will be greater than 125.

02:08:37.080 --> 02:08:41.000
 I can't say for certain, but at least that would be our recommendation.

02:08:41.000 --> 02:08:45.840
 That I'll turn it to Hayley.

02:08:45.840 --> 02:08:46.840
 >> All right.

02:08:46.840 --> 02:08:50.640
 So the landscape code is one of the other big pieces of the draft that you have before

02:08:50.640 --> 02:08:51.640
 you.

02:08:51.640 --> 02:08:55.240
 And as Richard mentioned before, the primary change is that we're going from the very

02:08:55.240 --> 02:09:00.400
 prescriptive standards we have now to a point system across the board.

02:09:00.400 --> 02:09:04.520
 So the compatibility buffers between adjacent uses are one of the main components of the

02:09:04.520 --> 02:09:06.200
 landscape code.

02:09:06.200 --> 02:09:10.800
 What you can see here is that we would still maintain kind of the matrix we have in the

02:09:10.800 --> 02:09:17.160
 code now where depending on your use, it would determine kind of how large and how intensive

02:09:17.160 --> 02:09:18.640
 that buffer needs to be.

02:09:18.640 --> 02:09:24.760
 So it would vary from no buffer at all between certain uses to needing either 10, 20 or 30

02:09:24.760 --> 02:09:27.040
 points within your buffer area.

02:09:27.040 --> 02:09:32.040
 And those points are attained from the second table that's in your draft, which is kind

02:09:32.040 --> 02:09:36.560
 of the combination of proposed elements that could fit within that buffer to provide screening

02:09:36.560 --> 02:09:40.040
 and some spatial separation between uses.

02:09:40.040 --> 02:09:45.520
 So that's everything from wood fences, masonry walls, up to various combinations of trees

02:09:45.520 --> 02:09:48.680
 and shrubs.

02:09:48.680 --> 02:09:52.520
 As far as the remainder of the landscape code, you know, the right-of-way screening, parking

02:09:52.520 --> 02:09:57.020
 lot landscaping, all of those things, we're going to a similar structure.

02:09:57.020 --> 02:10:00.440
 Whereas our code now dictates, you know, a certain width of screening area depending

02:10:00.440 --> 02:10:03.720
 on where your parking lot is and exactly what has to be in that.

02:10:03.720 --> 02:10:06.040
 This would allow, once again, that flexibility.

02:10:06.040 --> 02:10:10.360
 So within the table that we're about to look at, each site would have to choose two elements

02:10:10.360 --> 02:10:14.120
 to provide right-of-way screening, two elements for internal parking lot landscaping, and

02:10:14.120 --> 02:10:18.680
 then the remainder of the points required for the site, which is a total of 30, could

02:10:18.680 --> 02:10:25.100
 be drawn from any of these various categories depending on what works best for the site.

02:10:25.100 --> 02:10:28.080
 So again, kind of a menu board of options.

02:10:28.080 --> 02:10:30.920
 As I mentioned, right-of-way screening is still an important aspect.

02:10:30.920 --> 02:10:34.680
 So we would require that each site that has parking in front of their building choose

02:10:34.680 --> 02:10:35.680
 two of these.

02:10:35.680 --> 02:10:39.460
 If they just have dry vials in front of the building, that could be reduced to one.

02:10:39.460 --> 02:10:46.020
 So again, that's a combination of either berms, trees, shrubs, or some sort of low wall.

02:10:46.020 --> 02:10:51.120
 And then within the parking lot, again, whereas now the code just says you have to have 7%

02:10:51.120 --> 02:10:56.160
 landscaping, 15% tree canopy, and then depending on the size of your parking lot, it dictates

02:10:56.160 --> 02:11:00.080
 how often you have to have landscape islands, this would just require that you pick at least

02:11:00.080 --> 02:11:02.880
 two of these things and incorporate them in your parking lot.

02:11:02.880 --> 02:11:07.240
 So end caps, internal islands, or landscape medians could be an option that our current

02:11:07.240 --> 02:11:10.240
 code doesn't provide for.

02:11:10.240 --> 02:11:14.280
 And then in terms of the remainder of your site landscaping, there are a wide variety

02:11:14.280 --> 02:11:16.820
 of things that could give you credit towards that.

02:11:16.820 --> 02:11:21.020
 Some of that would be encouraging drought tolerant plants and things of that nature with

02:11:21.020 --> 02:11:22.020
 in your site.

02:11:22.020 --> 02:11:26.000
 But it also includes things that we don't have in our code now, such as allowing rooftop

02:11:26.000 --> 02:11:31.280
 vegetation to count, living walls on a building could now be an option.

02:11:31.280 --> 02:11:35.400
 And then a new one that we've added recently is the Butterflyer Pollinator Gardens, since

02:11:35.400 --> 02:11:37.440
 Stinton has been designated as a monarch city.

02:11:37.440 --> 02:11:42.160
 So to go along with that, we added that as another option.

02:11:42.160 --> 02:11:46.580
 So I wanted to kind of look at an example, we won't get into it in too much detail.

02:11:46.580 --> 02:11:50.880
 Some of you may remember a recent ADP that we had just earlier this year for a church

02:11:50.880 --> 02:11:52.740
 at the corner of Latimer and Audra.

02:11:52.740 --> 02:11:56.680
 They actually had an ADP back in 2009 for some of their landscaping.

02:11:56.680 --> 02:11:59.880
 And then when they added onto their parking lot, they had to come back to revise that

02:11:59.880 --> 02:12:05.920
 ADP and request some new deviations from the code, because of their unique site features,

02:12:05.920 --> 02:12:10.280
 such as this large drainage channel in the front of the property.

02:12:10.280 --> 02:12:14.320
 So we won't get into this in too much detail, but this table kind of outlines what the original

02:12:14.320 --> 02:12:20.180
 ADP was for, what their update was for, and then how this could change under the new code.

02:12:20.180 --> 02:12:24.920
 So the site, because of its zoning of NR4, requires 50 percent tree canopy.

02:12:24.920 --> 02:12:29.980
 We are proposing that that standard remain in the code, and one of the points of discussion

02:12:29.980 --> 02:12:33.840
 that we would like to bring to you all and council ultimately is how we could provide

02:12:33.840 --> 02:12:35.880
 some relief for that.

02:12:35.880 --> 02:12:39.920
 What we've had but we haven't put into the draft yet would be, rather we would allow

02:12:39.920 --> 02:12:43.040
 payments into the tree fund to be made if someone couldn't provide all their canopy

02:12:43.040 --> 02:12:44.040
 on site.

02:12:44.040 --> 02:12:47.640
 Could they make payment to allow those trees to be planted elsewhere in the city so that

02:12:47.640 --> 02:12:50.280
 we still get that canopy in the end.

02:12:50.280 --> 02:12:53.000
 But again, that's not in the code now, so that may still be a thing that we would see

02:12:53.000 --> 02:12:56.200
 occasional alternative development plans for.

02:12:56.200 --> 02:12:59.400
 A second requirement of the site was a Type C buffer.

02:12:59.400 --> 02:13:03.360
 Part of their ADP both times around was that they didn't want to provide that buffer on

02:13:03.360 --> 02:13:04.360
 site.

02:13:04.360 --> 02:13:06.600
 They thought the lot was large enough and they were separated enough from the single

02:13:06.600 --> 02:13:12.640
 family home that that wasn't necessary, and that was approved with those ADPs.

02:13:12.640 --> 02:13:16.520
 There is an existing wood fence on the site, which under our proposed code would have allowed

02:13:16.520 --> 02:13:20.320
 them to at least attain some sort of buffer and get credit for that fence where the current

02:13:20.320 --> 02:13:22.240
 code doesn't allow it.

02:13:22.240 --> 02:13:26.760
 So again, it could have at least reduced the need for that ADP in this case.

02:13:26.760 --> 02:13:30.360
 And then the other piece was their screening along the right-of-way.

02:13:30.360 --> 02:13:35.440
 As you can see here on the far left, the current code has a very specific set of four things

02:13:35.440 --> 02:13:37.760
 that you have to have if you have front parking.

02:13:37.760 --> 02:13:43.240
 So that 15 foot wide area has to contain a berm, one of those two combinations of trees

02:13:43.240 --> 02:13:46.840
 and then either a wall, shrubs, or zero scaping.

02:13:46.840 --> 02:13:50.640
 As I showed you on their landscape plan, they have this huge drainage feature in front of

02:13:50.640 --> 02:13:54.840
 the property that made it very challenging for them to fit that in there because trees

02:13:54.840 --> 02:13:58.660
 are not encouraged in drainage easements.

02:13:58.660 --> 02:14:02.560
 So what they ended up doing was kind of mixing the site around and providing a few trees

02:14:02.560 --> 02:14:06.880
 where they could and then enhancing the site with additional shrubs.

02:14:06.880 --> 02:14:10.040
 With what we're proposing now, they could have selected options that would have eliminated

02:14:10.040 --> 02:14:15.840
 the need for the ADP for that particular challenge, because they could have fit in a cluster of

02:14:15.840 --> 02:14:19.960
 trees, a low wall or things like that that would have worked on the site and allowed

02:14:19.960 --> 02:14:24.000
 them to still provide screening but not have to come before you all to request the deviation

02:14:24.000 --> 02:14:27.560
 from the code.

02:14:27.560 --> 02:14:31.720
 And then the final thing here is we just wanted to show you kind of the anticipated schedule

02:14:31.720 --> 02:14:34.440
 for how this will move forward from here.

02:14:34.440 --> 02:14:38.480
 So we are planning a series of kind of community and stakeholder meetings with the various groups

02:14:38.480 --> 02:14:42.480
 such as the developers, keep it in beautiful some of those groups that would be interested

02:14:42.480 --> 02:14:46.920
 in this and that will occur this month and on through January and maybe a little beyond

02:14:46.920 --> 02:14:48.920
 that.

02:14:48.920 --> 02:14:52.640
 And then we are looking to bring this back in January for another public hearing with

02:14:52.640 --> 02:14:56.080
 a more finalized draft at that point that we would be considering implementing.

02:14:56.080 --> 02:15:01.160
 And then ultimately city council, this shows February, I believe that February 19th meeting

02:15:01.160 --> 02:15:05.640
 has been canceled, so it would probably be early March that it would go to city council

02:15:05.640 --> 02:15:13.000
 if we stay on this timeline and we can go backwards, answer any questions, whatever you

02:15:13.000 --> 02:15:16.920
 all would like to do at this point.

02:15:16.920 --> 02:15:22.000
 I don't see any questions from the commission at the moment, but this is a public hearing.

02:15:22.000 --> 02:15:36.800
 I don't have any cards for this unless this is one coming here, and it is.

02:15:36.800 --> 02:15:41.880
 Rick I'm sorry, I can't read your last name.

02:15:41.880 --> 02:15:54.120
 Come on down and talk to us. Sorry, my handwriting is not very good, but

02:15:54.120 --> 02:15:55.120
 my name is Rick Barry.

02:15:55.120 --> 02:15:56.120
 I live in Denton.

02:15:56.120 --> 02:16:04.080
 I'm at 5112 Edwards Road and I just want to say that I think the staff should be congratulated.

02:16:04.080 --> 02:16:09.400
 It's been a long, long, long time coming.

02:16:09.400 --> 02:16:12.560
 And every time I read it, it gets better.

02:16:12.560 --> 02:16:16.520
 And if I have any quibbles, they're small.

02:16:16.520 --> 02:16:22.040
 As someone who does tree surveys from time to time, there are a few things that I might

02:16:22.040 --> 02:16:26.960
 point out that I'm not sure that they're needed, that might be helpful, and I'll just address

02:16:26.960 --> 02:16:29.480
 a couple of those.

02:16:29.480 --> 02:16:32.920
 One of them, let's see, there's a few here.

02:16:32.920 --> 02:16:42.280
 The section that's, section F starts at 586, Tree Survey and Preservation Plan.

02:16:42.280 --> 02:16:46.200
 We're asked to provide the common and scientific name of each tree.

02:16:46.200 --> 02:16:50.280
 That's fine, but you remember these are going to be presented probably as an Excel spreadsheet.

02:16:50.280 --> 02:16:53.440
 That's generally the way it's done, so let's just one more column.

02:16:53.440 --> 02:16:57.840
 And if we already know the name of the tree, why do we need two?

02:16:57.840 --> 02:17:03.440
 Then the other one is diameter, oh, that's great, condition of the tree.

02:17:03.440 --> 02:17:08.040
 I usually make notes, I have a section for notes.

02:17:08.040 --> 02:17:12.600
 Average canopy spread, don't know that that's necessary if we're not really registering

02:17:12.600 --> 02:17:14.080
 canopy in the first place.

02:17:14.080 --> 02:17:21.920
 We're really, this is a system that uses tree diameter, and that makes at least two, sometimes

02:17:21.920 --> 02:17:27.400
 four other measurements that would have to be done for that tree by the surveyor, not

02:17:27.400 --> 02:17:31.440
 just by someone like me who's measuring it and writing down the condition and what type

02:17:31.440 --> 02:17:33.560
 of tree it is.

02:17:33.560 --> 02:17:39.360
 And then the number eight, location coordinates and state plane data, and I don't think that's

02:17:39.360 --> 02:17:41.380
 necessary either.

02:17:41.380 --> 02:17:45.840
 If the trees are kind of sparse and are out in the middle of a field, well, if someone

02:17:45.840 --> 02:17:49.160
 from the city wants to check our work, then they can walk out and pretty much look at

02:17:49.160 --> 02:17:53.120
 the map and see that's that tree and check the numbers.

02:17:53.120 --> 02:17:57.120
 If they're close enough to where you need them to be numbered and you need the northing

02:17:57.120 --> 02:18:02.700
 and the easting, I would say that most likely the handheld that would be used by someone

02:18:02.700 --> 02:18:06.920
 working for the city of Denton would not be accurate enough to make much difference.

02:18:06.920 --> 02:18:11.260
 You might get within 10 feet, but there could be three or four trees right there.

02:18:11.260 --> 02:18:13.480
 So I don't know that that's necessary.

02:18:13.480 --> 02:18:17.780
 And those data, if you want to carry them out as far as you need to to make it accurate,

02:18:17.780 --> 02:18:21.300
 I think it goes, I don't know, eight or 12 decimal places.

02:18:21.300 --> 02:18:22.840
 So I don't think that's necessary.

02:18:22.840 --> 02:18:26.880
 I have a few other things, but I can see that I'm about to run out of time.

02:18:26.880 --> 02:18:30.960
 But most of it has to do with the type of trees.

02:18:30.960 --> 02:18:36.240
 I think that, yes, all trees do provide us with shelter and they provide us with a lot

02:18:36.240 --> 02:18:40.180
 of benefits, but some trees are just better than others.

02:18:40.180 --> 02:18:43.960
 And I think that we've lumped them into two large groups here.

02:18:43.960 --> 02:18:49.680
 I'd like to see some of the trees not considered to be quality trees because they're not quality.

02:18:49.680 --> 02:18:56.480
 And I guess I'll just leave it at that and say thank you for your time.

02:18:56.480 --> 02:19:01.060
 Thank you, Mr. Barrio.

02:19:01.060 --> 02:19:04.880
 Anyone else wishing to speak on this item?

02:19:04.880 --> 02:19:15.600
 Okay, seeing none, I will close the public hearing and entertain any discussion from

02:19:15.600 --> 02:19:21.840
 the commission.

02:19:21.840 --> 02:19:22.840
 Commissioner Smith?

02:19:22.840 --> 02:19:23.840
 Motion for approval.

02:19:23.840 --> 02:19:32.400
 We'll be bringing the draft back.

02:19:32.400 --> 02:19:36.440
 So actually, I don't, I just had it as a public hearing so we can take input.

02:19:36.440 --> 02:19:39.760
 Do we need a motion to table then?

02:19:39.760 --> 02:19:40.760
 What's the?

02:19:40.760 --> 02:19:44.720
 How about a motion to postpone indefinitely?

02:19:44.720 --> 02:19:49.680
 And the staff will bring it back according to the anticipated schedule to be sent possible.

02:19:49.680 --> 02:19:54.440
 Revise a motion for motion to postpone indefinitely.

02:19:54.440 --> 02:19:58.000
 Commissioner Beck?

02:19:58.000 --> 02:20:04.000
 Okay, we have a motion on the floor to postpone.

02:20:04.000 --> 02:20:05.000
 Any discussion?

02:20:05.000 --> 02:20:20.640
 Okay, let's call for a vote.

02:20:20.640 --> 02:20:23.640
 Motion carries 6-0.

02:20:23.640 --> 02:20:25.720
 Thank you for your hard work, Richard.

02:20:25.720 --> 02:20:28.080
 I think that showed up as a motion to approve.

02:20:28.080 --> 02:20:30.440
 Was it shown in the minutes as a motion to postpone?

02:20:30.440 --> 02:20:31.440
 Okay.

02:20:31.440 --> 02:20:41.560
 I just wanted to let, for those watching or those in the audience, we do have a comment

02:20:41.560 --> 02:20:50.000
 form on the website, so if you do have additional comments, you can enter them there or reach

02:20:50.000 --> 02:20:51.000
 out to me directly.

02:20:51.000 --> 02:20:56.080
 I'd be more than happy to sit down and go through your comments.

02:20:56.080 --> 02:21:00.560
 I know you're on that first committee, so.

02:21:00.560 --> 02:21:01.560
 Thank you, Richard.

02:21:01.560 --> 02:21:07.200
 Okay, that moves us to next public hearing item, PZ18179.

02:21:07.200 --> 02:21:14.360
 At this time, I'll open the public hearing and bring up Ron Mangida.

02:21:14.360 --> 02:21:17.640
 Thank you, Madam Vice Chair, members of the commission.

02:21:17.640 --> 02:21:26.520
 This presentation, just to clarify, is for the commission to consider a future resolution

02:21:26.520 --> 02:21:35.880
 that City Council will consider on recommendations that are part of a steering committee's task

02:21:35.880 --> 02:21:39.360
 to identify some improvements or enhancement for the area.

02:21:39.360 --> 02:21:47.280
 It is not tied to an update to the comprehensive plan, but rather just recommendations as directed

02:21:47.280 --> 02:21:51.640
 by our council to work on an area plan.

02:21:51.640 --> 02:21:58.520
 Started in this presentation will be a purpose, a history of the area, a couple background

02:21:58.520 --> 02:22:04.200
 information as it relates to how we start this process, the steering committee, their

02:22:04.200 --> 02:22:10.720
 meetings that they've held, public outreach efforts throughout the process, and then we'll

02:22:10.720 --> 02:22:17.120
 get into the draft vision statements, the goals, the recommendations again, and then

02:22:17.120 --> 02:22:25.200
 the implementation strategy to how these recommendations are to be implemented.

02:22:25.200 --> 02:22:32.000
 Looking at the Dem Plan 2030 as a guide, we have a vision statement that provides the

02:22:32.000 --> 02:22:38.040
 citizens and the City Council what we want to see the city be in the next 20 years, 50,

02:22:38.040 --> 02:22:39.040
 20 years.

02:22:39.040 --> 02:22:45.880
 We want to see that we retain our sense of community, share values, welcome arrivals,

02:22:45.880 --> 02:22:49.640
 and celebrate the growing diversity that we have.

02:22:49.640 --> 02:22:55.960
 We want to see our established neighborhoods where revitalization and compatible infill

02:22:55.960 --> 02:23:00.920
 contributes to a stable, livable, and historic character that fosters neighborhood pride

02:23:00.920 --> 02:23:03.920
 and homeownership.

02:23:03.920 --> 02:23:08.800
 Specifically there's a goal in the comprehensive plan that talks about small area plans.

02:23:08.800 --> 02:23:16.080
 They identify it as a way of preserving and enhancing a character or district in areas

02:23:16.080 --> 02:23:18.520
 of an area.

02:23:18.520 --> 02:23:26.560
 Following that action is identification of a neighborhood university compatibility area.

02:23:26.560 --> 02:23:32.240
 In that area, I'm going to skip a slide here, in that area that we're talking about

02:23:32.240 --> 02:23:35.360
 is the lighter blue area that we see here.

02:23:35.360 --> 02:23:39.040
 The area that's light blue is the neighborhood compatibility area.

02:23:39.040 --> 02:23:45.760
 The darker blue is the UNT property, which is considered a government as well as institutional

02:23:45.760 --> 02:23:47.080
 future land use.

02:23:47.080 --> 02:23:52.960
 We also see some low density or low residential to the north, shown here in yellow, and then

02:23:52.960 --> 02:23:53.960
 commercial along I-35.

02:23:53.960 --> 02:23:59.600
 A little bit of history of the area.

02:23:59.600 --> 02:24:07.440
 I think everyone knows the downtown is right here on Hickory, Oak, Elm, Locust.

02:24:07.440 --> 02:24:13.540
 What I wanted for you all to take out of this slide is the area to the west.

02:24:13.540 --> 02:24:16.440
 You see that back in 1883.

02:24:16.440 --> 02:24:17.880
 There really wasn't anything.

02:24:17.880 --> 02:24:20.720
 We got our downtown, but growth was coming.

02:24:20.720 --> 02:24:26.400
 Part of that growth was the University of North Texas back in 1890.

02:24:26.400 --> 02:24:29.300
 It was called Normal College.

02:24:29.300 --> 02:24:35.180
 Just to illustrate that, back in 1950, there was no highway.

02:24:35.180 --> 02:24:37.000
 There was no highway in the area.

02:24:37.000 --> 02:24:40.880
 This was just our city.

02:24:40.880 --> 02:24:45.440
 I want to point out as well that Bonnie Bray, further out, there really wasn't anything

02:24:45.440 --> 02:24:48.960
 past that, but there was development, again, in 1950.

02:24:48.960 --> 02:24:54.600
 As you all know, we grew from that to where we are today.

02:24:54.600 --> 02:24:59.920
 In fact, this area I read that it was served by a trolley system.

02:24:59.920 --> 02:25:04.040
 That trolley system started at the train depot back on Railroad and Hickory.

02:25:04.040 --> 02:25:11.760
 It extended heading west on Hickory, turning north on Elm, and then further west on Oak.

02:25:11.760 --> 02:25:18.080
 This image to the top illustrates that trolley that was traveling along Oak, making its way

02:25:18.080 --> 02:25:23.560
 eventually to Avenue C, heading south to an area called Highland Park.

02:25:23.560 --> 02:25:30.000
 That park was the terminus to one end, and the trolley would go back and serve, again,

02:25:30.000 --> 02:25:37.600
 not only the university or the campus, but also the area that we're talking about today,

02:25:37.600 --> 02:25:39.840
 tonight.

02:25:39.840 --> 02:25:46.000
 These illustrations here just, again, help explain that in 1957, the highway came that

02:25:46.000 --> 02:25:54.480
 you see now here, and then later in the coming years, I-35W was installed or constructed.

02:25:54.480 --> 02:26:00.440
 Just to give you a little context that the area's already filled in by this time with

02:26:00.440 --> 02:26:07.560
 the university expansions, as well as additional development within the area.

02:26:07.560 --> 02:26:09.640
 Why are we doing an area plan?

02:26:09.640 --> 02:26:11.280
 Why is it important that we do that?

02:26:11.280 --> 02:26:16.320
 Well, one, the comprehensive plan is a direction that we need to look at, that neighborhood

02:26:16.320 --> 02:26:20.720
 compatibility area, those areas in light blue.

02:26:20.720 --> 02:26:26.440
 As a result, we also dealt with a proposed mixed-use development.

02:26:26.440 --> 02:26:32.160
 Some of you may recognize this proposed development between Oak and Hickory right there, between

02:26:32.160 --> 02:26:35.000
 Avenue B and Fry Street.

02:26:35.000 --> 02:26:40.040
 That proposed development required an amendment to the Fry Street Overlay District.

02:26:40.040 --> 02:26:42.000
 It ultimately didn't pass.

02:26:42.000 --> 02:26:48.360
 It was withdrawn at the last city council, but the concerns that were raised as part

02:26:48.360 --> 02:26:55.960
 of that process dealt with traffic, parking, neighborhood compatibility, the noise and

02:26:55.960 --> 02:26:59.480
 safety associated with this development.

02:26:59.480 --> 02:27:05.720
 That raised some questions and some need for an area plan, an idea to be more proactive

02:27:05.720 --> 02:27:09.240
 in how do we address these concerns.

02:27:09.240 --> 02:27:13.280
 That was the Fry Street small area plan.

02:27:13.280 --> 02:27:16.880
 That area plan here is shown in red.

02:27:16.880 --> 02:27:24.400
 It's a very small area compared to the larger area, which is the Oak Gateway area plan.

02:27:24.400 --> 02:27:28.520
 The reason why we chose a larger area, because it's really not a small area plan.

02:27:28.520 --> 02:27:32.880
 It's a fairly large area, but we really wanted to make sure we comprehensively looked at

02:27:32.880 --> 02:27:36.120
 this planning study area for the following reasons.

02:27:36.120 --> 02:27:42.720
 Again, the comprehensive plan directed that this area be looked at, maybe a small area

02:27:42.720 --> 02:27:44.800
 plan, which we're doing.

02:27:44.800 --> 02:27:49.280
 Development pressure was coming, not only to this area, which is Fry Street area, but

02:27:49.280 --> 02:27:50.280
 to the north.

02:27:50.280 --> 02:27:56.480
 There's development pressure, although on the other side as well, on the west side.

02:27:56.480 --> 02:27:58.120
 It didn't make sense to just look at this area.

02:27:58.120 --> 02:28:02.920
 We needed to look at the greater area, which involves the area to the west, to the east,

02:28:02.920 --> 02:28:06.240
 and to the south of the university.

02:28:06.240 --> 02:28:08.920
 Areas of concern, the areas of concern is to the north.

02:28:08.920 --> 02:28:13.400
 We've got historic districts, the West Oak Historic District, the Oak Gateway Historic

02:28:13.400 --> 02:28:18.520
 District, as well as the residential areas to the north.

02:28:18.520 --> 02:28:27.640
 Again, looking at a possibility of some special purpose overlay districts to, again, be proactive

02:28:27.640 --> 02:28:31.840
 to look at how we can protect some areas, but also to be able to enhance some areas

02:28:31.840 --> 02:28:34.700
 that we feel needs to be enhanced.

02:28:34.700 --> 02:28:37.040
 We know that the University of North Texas is going to grow.

02:28:37.040 --> 02:28:38.160
 It continues to grow.

02:28:38.160 --> 02:28:45.240
 It's projected to grow another 5,000 enrollment students by 2030, and that growth has got

02:28:45.240 --> 02:28:46.240
 to go somewhere.

02:28:46.240 --> 02:28:51.880
 We want to make sure that we're, again, proactive as to where they're supposed to be, but also

02:28:51.880 --> 02:28:57.640
 address some of the concerns that relates to the pedestrian and the traffic and the

02:28:57.640 --> 02:29:04.280
 parking and all that other stuff that we heard from the community.

02:29:04.280 --> 02:29:10.600
 On January 16, 2016, the City Council directed staff to start that process for an amendment

02:29:10.600 --> 02:29:15.560
 to the overlay small-year plan.

02:29:15.560 --> 02:29:16.560
 There were some discussions.

02:29:16.560 --> 02:29:17.560
 It went back and forth.

02:29:17.560 --> 02:29:24.000
 It took a little bit over a year to finally determine that we needed to hire a consultant,

02:29:24.000 --> 02:29:30.960
 and that meant that we needed to select one in order to start the old Gateway Area Plan.

02:29:30.960 --> 02:29:37.800
 Officially, the Gateway Plan started on September 13, 2017, and then a committee was selected

02:29:37.800 --> 02:29:41.400
 and started the work on November 7, 2017.

02:29:41.400 --> 02:29:47.960
 This photo just illustrates the first meeting that we held as part of the committee.

02:29:47.960 --> 02:29:52.280
 We started the committee with 24, and that's a lot of committee members, but we wanted

02:29:52.280 --> 02:29:56.760
 to make sure we had a representation in all stakes.

02:29:56.760 --> 02:30:03.600
 You see here, we've got residents, we've got business owners, DCTA and UNT was represented,

02:30:03.600 --> 02:30:08.400
 builders, bicyclists, UNT student representative.

02:30:08.400 --> 02:30:12.160
 Some of the steering committee members are here.

02:30:12.160 --> 02:30:15.840
 Some of them will actually present part of this presentation.

02:30:15.840 --> 02:30:20.800
 You can see that their dedication in this plan carries today because they're here making

02:30:20.800 --> 02:30:22.480
 this presentation.

02:30:22.480 --> 02:30:29.040
 Ultimately, we could not make quorum in some meetings, so we asked council to reduce the

02:30:29.040 --> 02:30:30.040
 number.

02:30:30.040 --> 02:30:33.000
 We went from 24 to 17, which helped.

02:30:33.000 --> 02:30:39.200
 We were able to get quorum and make some decisions and recommendations.

02:30:39.200 --> 02:30:44.680
 As part of your backup, you have those recommendations that the committee has reviewed, drafted,

02:30:44.680 --> 02:30:48.120
 and recommended.

02:30:48.120 --> 02:30:53.760
 They did this through 20 plus meetings held at the Development Service Center.

02:30:53.760 --> 02:31:00.280
 We did some area plan tours where we got into some vans and drove around the areas, because

02:31:00.280 --> 02:31:03.480
 it's a large area, and we wanted to make sure we understood what was happening in those

02:31:03.480 --> 02:31:04.480
 areas.

02:31:04.480 --> 02:31:08.800
 We wanted to make sure that they knew what those areas were or what they are.

02:31:08.800 --> 02:31:14.600
 We also did walking tours, walked the area, identified where there were concerns.

02:31:14.600 --> 02:31:23.440
 This photo here is off of scripture, and I want to say ponder.

02:31:23.440 --> 02:31:30.200
 Starting with the work that the consultant did, we held a community workshop where we

02:31:30.200 --> 02:31:36.440
 had over 125 people attend, which is a great turnout to get their input, to understand

02:31:36.440 --> 02:31:41.880
 what their concerns, and to confirm some of the things that we already knew.

02:31:41.880 --> 02:31:47.160
 On November of this year, just a month ago, we held a follow-up public open house to share

02:31:47.160 --> 02:31:58.920
 with the public what we have drafted in regards to visions, to goals, and to recommendations.

02:31:58.920 --> 02:32:06.880
 Before we continue, I want to introduce our vice chair, who's going to make the next

02:32:06.880 --> 02:32:08.880
 presentation on the next few slides.

02:32:08.880 --> 02:32:15.400
 If the commission does not have any questions, I'd like to invite Patrice Lyke to make the

02:32:15.400 --> 02:32:16.400
 next presentation.

02:32:16.400 --> 02:32:17.400
 Thank you.

02:32:17.400 --> 02:32:18.400
 Patrice Lyke, 1109 Eagan.

02:32:18.400 --> 02:32:31.980
 The first part that I'll be talking about here are the draft vision statements.

02:32:31.980 --> 02:32:35.920
 One of the first things we recognized that we needed to do, because this small area plan

02:32:35.920 --> 02:32:42.480
 is such a big area, was to divide the area into these three areas.

02:32:42.480 --> 02:32:47.320
 There are many shared goals among these three areas.

02:32:47.320 --> 02:32:55.000
 However, each of these areas does have a set of individual characteristics that we wanted

02:32:55.000 --> 02:32:58.760
 to particularly point out.

02:32:58.760 --> 02:33:02.600
 This is going to be a reference point when we're thinking about future development coming

02:33:02.600 --> 02:33:04.640
 to any of these areas.

02:33:04.640 --> 02:33:09.880
 This will be a reference point for planning and zoning to look back to, for the city council

02:33:09.880 --> 02:33:11.080
 to look back to.

02:33:11.080 --> 02:33:17.280
 It is important that we do make some good choices as we're moving forward.

02:33:17.280 --> 02:33:21.760
 With sub area one, when we're talking about a walkable neighborhood in which to live,

02:33:21.760 --> 02:33:28.240
 work, and play, there's emphasis here on the historical character in the sub area.

02:33:28.240 --> 02:33:33.640
 I'd like to point out that there are a lot of UNT faculty and staff that live in sub

02:33:33.640 --> 02:33:38.960
 area one, so it is a super walkable area.

02:33:38.960 --> 02:33:48.040
 The northern terminus of the sub area is Panhandle, and that neighborhood to the south of Panhandle,

02:33:48.040 --> 02:33:54.320
 including West Oak, including Eagan Panhandle, Congress, including Oak Hickory, is really

02:33:54.320 --> 02:33:57.920
 full of people who walk to work.

02:33:57.920 --> 02:34:05.760
 We looked at that as a very important piece, that the walkability, the bikeability is maintained

02:34:05.760 --> 02:34:07.560
 in that area.

02:34:07.560 --> 02:34:17.840
 We're also looking at the contextual compatibility in any proposed revitalization in the area.

02:34:17.840 --> 02:34:25.560
 In sub area one, right now, there is some zoning in here that we hope will be changed

02:34:25.560 --> 02:34:34.440
 that with the updated DDC that some of the zoning will become more neighborhood compatible.

02:34:34.440 --> 02:34:40.520
 Right now, some of the zoning in here is in place from when Flow Hospital was there, and

02:34:40.520 --> 02:34:45.880
 there were offices, there were businesses, there were neighborhoods scaled that supported

02:34:45.880 --> 02:34:51.480
 the hospital and the people, of course, visiting their friends in the hospital, but not all

02:34:51.480 --> 02:34:57.680
 of that zoning is genuinely compatible with the future that we're seeing for the area,

02:34:57.680 --> 02:35:00.320
 so we're hoping to look at that.

02:35:00.320 --> 02:35:05.380
 Sub area two, this is the area we were talking about earlier that we, of course, refer to

02:35:05.380 --> 02:35:07.640
 as Cement City.

02:35:07.640 --> 02:35:15.680
 Here we're looking at housing that is affordable to low to moderate income families and to

02:35:15.680 --> 02:35:16.680
 students.

02:35:16.680 --> 02:35:24.960
 There is a family component in this area, and it is an economically, frequently an economically

02:35:24.960 --> 02:35:31.800
 precarious set of families that live in this area, which is why we found it important as

02:35:31.800 --> 02:35:40.000
 a committee to put in writing that we wanted to help preserve affordable housing where

02:35:40.000 --> 02:35:43.400
 it has traditionally been affordable.

02:35:43.400 --> 02:35:50.000
 Additionally, when we're looking at quality green spaces, you'll notice, of course, in

02:35:50.000 --> 02:35:59.440
 sub area two that there is one park, and it is pretty much a concrete park on Stella.

02:35:59.440 --> 02:36:08.520
 Our hope is that as the area can be revitalized, that perhaps some of the revitalization projects

02:36:08.520 --> 02:36:16.040
 may increase intensity on a site, yet while not increasing density, potentially leaving

02:36:16.040 --> 02:36:24.080
 more room for green space to be added where it has thus far been void.

02:36:24.080 --> 02:36:29.720
 Sub area three, we're looking at the area then to the south of the university.

02:36:29.720 --> 02:36:33.920
 Again, a mixed-use neighborhood for families and students.

02:36:33.920 --> 02:36:43.240
 There's a lot of single-family housing still in that area, so we hope to, again, keep the

02:36:43.240 --> 02:36:50.760
 existing green spaces, continue with established tree canopy because there's a lot of established

02:36:50.760 --> 02:36:58.160
 trees in that area, but once again, continue to enhance the livability for people who are

02:36:58.160 --> 02:36:59.640
 in that area.

02:36:59.640 --> 02:37:05.680
 The overall plan, a stable, walkable area in which to live, work, and play, protecting

02:37:05.680 --> 02:37:13.760
 existing neighborhoods and to revitalize, reinvest, and look at projects that are compatible

02:37:13.760 --> 02:37:18.040
 in use, scale, and design.

02:37:18.040 --> 02:37:26.640
 In that area in particular, there's a lot of fairly low-intensity sites, and some of

02:37:26.640 --> 02:37:29.880
 that gets threatened.

02:37:29.880 --> 02:37:40.160
 The draft land use goals that we have here, looking again at protecting historic districts

02:37:40.160 --> 02:37:46.600
 and identifying new historic districts in this area, we've got some of those on tap.

02:37:46.600 --> 02:37:51.240
 Looking at creating more businesses along scripture, maybe looking at some aspirational

02:37:51.240 --> 02:37:59.280
 zoning in that area to protect the neighborhoods surrounding the area, again, with Area 1,

02:37:59.280 --> 02:38:00.280
 LU3.

02:38:00.280 --> 02:38:07.320
 A development that is in scale with the existing development in the area.

02:38:07.320 --> 02:38:09.480
 Community design goals.

02:38:09.480 --> 02:38:10.480
 We've talked a little bit.

02:38:10.480 --> 02:38:18.560
 I know we've begun to talk about collegiate housing as a separate zoning area, and one

02:38:18.560 --> 02:38:24.800
 of the things that our committee has talked about a lot is the difference between collegiate

02:38:24.800 --> 02:38:30.440
 housing versus truly multi-family housing.

02:38:30.440 --> 02:38:38.520
 We have agreed that Sub-Area 1 is the place for sure, multi-family housing, but that as

02:38:38.520 --> 02:38:45.440
 we discuss collegiate housing further, that collegiate housing is not an appropriate use

02:38:45.440 --> 02:38:49.600
 for Sub-Area 1.

02:38:49.600 --> 02:38:51.760
 Sub-Area 1 mobility goals.

02:38:51.760 --> 02:39:00.240
 Again, we will discuss sidewalks more, and again, identification of gaps in the sidewalk

02:39:00.240 --> 02:39:08.400
 infrastructure for future CIPs, but again, the emphasis here is on pedestrians, the emphasis

02:39:08.400 --> 02:39:15.720
 is on cyclists, whether we're talking about lighting, talking about sidewalks, and then

02:39:15.720 --> 02:39:17.800
 the parking and service goals.

02:39:17.800 --> 02:39:23.880
 This is something we will discuss further too in relationship to hoping to alleviate

02:39:23.880 --> 02:39:28.560
 many of the parking pinches that we see in the area.

02:39:28.560 --> 02:39:36.880
 The parking pinch is one of the reasons that this small area is so large, because as you

02:39:36.880 --> 02:39:39.440
 know, cars are like water.

02:39:39.440 --> 02:39:46.340
 If you squeeze out one place for students and faculty staff to park, they're just going

02:39:46.340 --> 02:39:49.160
 to ooze over some place else.

02:39:49.160 --> 02:39:56.560
 That's part of the reason that we ended up with a large encompassing UNT on all sides,

02:39:56.560 --> 02:39:58.040
 a small area plan.

02:39:58.040 --> 02:40:03.520
 One of the things about looking at developing a visibility marketing program that will attract

02:40:03.520 --> 02:40:09.280
 economic development to the area, this is something that if you'll notice, we talked

02:40:09.280 --> 02:40:15.200
 about with the demise of Sac and Save to the south side of campus that we lost the only

02:40:15.200 --> 02:40:24.340
 grocery store in the area, but again, we would like to encourage some seeking out of businesses

02:40:24.340 --> 02:40:34.040
 that could be good fits for any of these three areas, three sub-areas, in order to, again,

02:40:34.040 --> 02:40:41.020
 encourage walkability, encourage people to stay close so they can get many, probably

02:40:41.020 --> 02:40:46.720
 not all, but get many of the things they need by simply hopping on their bike or walking

02:40:46.720 --> 02:40:50.880
 three or four blocks to get those things.

02:40:50.880 --> 02:40:53.120
 That's the end of my portion.

02:40:53.120 --> 02:40:56.860
 I'll be back, though, and we have more coming.

02:40:56.860 --> 02:41:02.120
 Any questions for me at the moment?

02:41:02.120 --> 02:41:03.120
 We do.

02:41:03.120 --> 02:41:04.120
 Okay.

02:41:04.120 --> 02:41:05.120
 Commissioner Smith.

02:41:05.120 --> 02:41:06.120
 Thank you, Chair.

02:41:06.120 --> 02:41:10.400
 Mrs. Light, thank you very much for your presentation.

02:41:10.400 --> 02:41:22.320
 I think my only real concern or real question is that it does seem like it is sub-two, sub-three

02:41:22.320 --> 02:41:26.480
 are places for students, but sub-one is not a place for students.

02:41:26.480 --> 02:41:33.680
 It's kind of the gist that I'm getting a lot from a lot of this is that the vision for

02:41:33.680 --> 02:41:40.760
 the area is that sub-one is not meant to be a place where student housing, student growth

02:41:40.760 --> 02:41:45.080
 has been to be, and please correct me if I'm getting the wrong gist from it.

02:41:45.080 --> 02:41:51.040
 You did just say in the last thing, if you go back one slide, that sub-one is not intended

02:41:51.040 --> 02:41:52.920
 to be a student housing area.

02:41:52.920 --> 02:42:02.240
 Well, we can't say that just because collegiate housing as a zoning designation, as a particular

02:42:02.240 --> 02:42:10.360
 use there, does not mean that multifamily would not be appropriate and a place where

02:42:10.360 --> 02:42:13.240
 students could indeed live.

02:42:13.240 --> 02:42:18.640
 The difference when we're looking at collegiate housing, and this is a ... Collegiate housing

02:42:18.640 --> 02:42:24.080
 has precedents set in other university towns in Texas.

02:42:24.080 --> 02:42:30.480
 So if you look at, for instance, many of the SROs, we've been calling them SROs, those

02:42:30.480 --> 02:42:36.600
 are floor plans that cannot accommodate a family.

02:42:36.600 --> 02:42:44.860
 So when those structures are built, they tend to be locked into that particular use.

02:42:44.860 --> 02:42:53.080
 If you look at many older cities in which apartment buildings become condos, apartments

02:42:53.080 --> 02:43:01.800
 are eventually bought by people who have ownership of these, multifamily can morph, multifamily

02:43:01.800 --> 02:43:02.800
 can change.

02:43:02.800 --> 02:43:03.800
 Yeah.

02:43:03.800 --> 02:43:13.000
 The floor plans and the business plan of the collegiate housing product is very limited.

02:43:13.000 --> 02:43:14.000
 Yep.

02:43:14.000 --> 02:43:21.880
 Now, in sub area one, we already have apartment buildings and students live in those apartment

02:43:21.880 --> 02:43:22.880
 buildings.

02:43:22.880 --> 02:43:29.000
 They tend to be two-story apartment buildings, parking is on site, students are close to

02:43:29.000 --> 02:43:32.200
 campus, works out really well.

02:43:32.200 --> 02:43:36.280
 I live a block from an apartment complex, it's fine.

02:43:36.280 --> 02:43:37.640
 It's absolutely fine.

02:43:37.640 --> 02:43:40.280
 I wouldn't want to change it.

02:43:40.280 --> 02:43:49.240
 The difference is in the tall SROs, which will never be a place where a family could

02:43:49.240 --> 02:43:51.600
 live if a family chose.

02:43:51.600 --> 02:43:57.520
 Whereas sub two and sub three would be in the future, it wouldn't be solved with this,

02:43:57.520 --> 02:44:03.880
 it would be solved with the DDC update and the rezoning, but sub two and sub three based

02:44:03.880 --> 02:44:09.360
 on this area plan would be more susceptible to SRO type buildings, by the way, that's

02:44:09.360 --> 02:44:12.640
 going to be zoned and coded if this council follows this.

02:44:12.640 --> 02:44:14.840
 It would be more appropriate in those areas.

02:44:14.840 --> 02:44:15.840
 Sure.

02:44:15.840 --> 02:44:21.900
 Again, if you look at where UNT's services for students are, UNT's been building, they're

02:44:21.900 --> 02:44:24.000
 building a new dorm on the south side.

02:44:24.000 --> 02:44:25.000
 Sure.

02:44:25.000 --> 02:44:30.120
 UNT has permission to build another dorm, but it's not in the pipeline at the moment.

02:44:30.120 --> 02:44:37.200
 They can do it, but the cafeterias are going on the south side.

02:44:37.200 --> 02:44:42.120
 Over to the west, there are already dorms over there, cafeterias.

02:44:42.120 --> 02:44:47.880
 On the north side, it's office buildings.

02:44:47.880 --> 02:44:51.240
 It's significantly more appropriate.

02:44:51.240 --> 02:44:57.820
 Students would probably feel much more a part of campus as well if they are choosing those

02:44:57.820 --> 02:45:00.440
 places to the south and to the west.

02:45:00.440 --> 02:45:01.440
 Sure.

02:45:01.440 --> 02:45:05.120
 I guess my only real reason to bring it up is the fact that it was very clear during

02:45:05.120 --> 02:45:06.120
 work session.

02:45:06.120 --> 02:45:07.120
 I think you were in there.

02:45:07.120 --> 02:45:08.120
 I saw you in there.

02:45:08.120 --> 02:45:12.680
 It was very clear during work session that those who are on this committee is very heavily

02:45:12.680 --> 02:45:16.880
 represented by sub one residents.

02:45:16.880 --> 02:45:24.480
 I would hate to go through and make a recommendation to council to approve a revision for an area

02:45:24.480 --> 02:45:33.720
 that is primarily dominated by one section of a neighborhood to then take what is usually

02:45:33.720 --> 02:45:41.760
 seen as not a very likable or not a very favorited use of building of SROs and say, "Well, you

02:45:41.760 --> 02:45:44.800
 can do them in this small area, but just not near me."

02:45:44.800 --> 02:45:45.800
 Right.

02:45:45.800 --> 02:45:46.800
 That's all I wanted to bring up.

02:45:46.800 --> 02:45:48.600
 I think I'm going to interrupt you.

02:45:48.600 --> 02:45:50.480
 I'm going to let them finish their presentation.

02:45:50.480 --> 02:45:52.240
 We're not even through the presentation yet.

02:45:52.240 --> 02:45:53.240
 Why don't we hold?

02:45:53.240 --> 02:45:57.640
 Because we're going to get into too much detailed discussion, I think, so why don't we let the

02:45:57.640 --> 02:45:58.640
 presentation continue?

02:45:58.640 --> 02:45:59.640
 Okay.

02:45:59.640 --> 02:46:00.640
 Okay.

02:46:00.640 --> 02:46:01.640
 Thank you.

02:46:01.640 --> 02:46:02.640
 I totally empathize with that.

02:46:02.640 --> 02:46:05.200
 You did a good job of looking around.

02:46:05.200 --> 02:46:06.200
 Okay.

02:46:06.200 --> 02:46:12.280
 Christopher Wilkins is up next.

02:46:12.280 --> 02:46:14.400
 Hello.

02:46:14.400 --> 02:46:15.400
 My name is Christopher Wilkins.

02:46:15.400 --> 02:46:22.240
 I'm going to be going over some of the draft goals of sub area two, there we go, which

02:46:22.240 --> 02:46:25.080
 we all fondly call cement city.

02:46:25.080 --> 02:46:29.760
 While it might be a term of endearment for people and didn't, it does have a sort of

02:46:29.760 --> 02:46:33.880
 a negative connotation to it, understandably.

02:46:33.880 --> 02:46:39.240
 To me, and I'm just speaking for myself, it talks about almost transient, almost forgotten

02:46:39.240 --> 02:46:43.080
 place in terms of development, in terms of opportunity, and it's very transient in terms

02:46:43.080 --> 02:46:50.040
 of people who live there, and that seems to be a lost opportunity for a neighborhood that's

02:46:50.040 --> 02:46:55.080
 nestled right by UNT and right between future housing and raise a ranch that will eventually

02:46:55.080 --> 02:46:56.840
 go over there.

02:46:56.840 --> 02:47:03.600
 This neighborhood is ripe for possibilities and so these are a few of them.

02:47:03.600 --> 02:47:07.680
 Land use and community design goals, some of the things we talked about were supporting

02:47:07.680 --> 02:47:14.040
 existing housing in the area and identifying and prioritizing neighborhood revitalization

02:47:14.040 --> 02:47:17.040
 and reinvestment needs and the opportunities that it affords.

02:47:17.040 --> 02:47:21.960
 One of the big infrastructure projects over there we all know is the Bonneberry expansion,

02:47:21.960 --> 02:47:26.800
 and we want to include more multimodal infrastructure projects, including pedestrian and bicycle

02:47:26.800 --> 02:47:33.400
 paths in that area that can help connect, like I said, the Seamont City neighborhood

02:47:33.400 --> 02:47:39.200
 with UNT and raise a ranch, make it more one giant pathway.

02:47:39.200 --> 02:47:43.960
 We also want to increase open space in the area any way possible, perhaps through vertical

02:47:43.960 --> 02:47:49.640
 housing to make use of lack of land space, community courtyards, and stuff like that.

02:47:49.640 --> 02:47:54.280
 Some of the mobility goals we discussed is to, again, like I mentioned before, improve

02:47:54.280 --> 02:48:00.020
 pedestrian and bicycle circulation in the area, create more access and connectivity

02:48:00.020 --> 02:48:05.720
 to major destinations that are walkable, and even incorporate public art to make it more

02:48:05.720 --> 02:48:11.280
 of a communal space for people to actually enjoy and to want to spend more time there,

02:48:11.280 --> 02:48:14.120
 to make it more of a home.

02:48:14.120 --> 02:48:18.480
 One of the also things is we want to increase ridership and improve transit in the area.

02:48:18.480 --> 02:48:24.080
 DCTA is actually a partner in trying to improve ridership in sub area too.

02:48:24.080 --> 02:48:28.300
 So they're working with us on that goal.

02:48:28.300 --> 02:48:29.300
 Parking and services goal.

02:48:29.300 --> 02:48:34.160
 Parking, as everybody probably knows, is pretty rough around there sometimes, and so we want

02:48:34.160 --> 02:48:38.600
 to implement a comprehensive strategic parking action plan, which will be discussed in a

02:48:38.600 --> 02:48:40.640
 later slide, so we will hear more about that.

02:48:40.640 --> 02:48:44.840
 So if you have any questions, I would probably wait for that.

02:48:44.840 --> 02:48:51.680
 And again, since it's right by raise a ranch, it seems like all the services that they could

02:48:51.680 --> 02:48:53.200
 possibly need is right there.

02:48:53.200 --> 02:48:58.560
 There's actually opportunities for us to develop services in Siemens City itself.

02:48:58.560 --> 02:49:00.320
 There's actually some infrastructure there.

02:49:00.320 --> 02:49:05.760
 I can't think of the street, but there's a few existing structures that we could revitalize

02:49:05.760 --> 02:49:12.400
 and help bring more entrepreneurial spirit in that neighborhood of all sorts of types.

02:49:12.400 --> 02:49:15.200
 And also just improve the visual perceived area.

02:49:15.200 --> 02:49:22.080
 I started this presentation saying that Siemens City has a very negative connotation sometimes,

02:49:22.080 --> 02:49:26.100
 but we want to use all these goals that we talked about to kind of revitalize the image

02:49:26.100 --> 02:49:30.680
 of the area by working to make it more of a livable neighborhood.

02:49:30.680 --> 02:49:37.840
 So I'm also going to be presenting on sub area three, which is my neighborhood personally.

02:49:37.840 --> 02:49:43.160
 Some of the land use goals we talked about is protecting existing single-family dwelling

02:49:43.160 --> 02:49:50.000
 units in the area, support existing housing already there in the area.

02:49:50.000 --> 02:49:55.640
 The big thing for me was to maintain single-family dwelling and multi-family dwelling balance

02:49:55.640 --> 02:49:56.920
 in the area.

02:49:56.920 --> 02:50:04.360
 So we make sure that a lot of people who live there already are not pushed out.

02:50:04.360 --> 02:50:11.880
 And also a big thing for me is to create a potential overlay of an equal drive to create

02:50:11.880 --> 02:50:15.320
 more businesses on there and more business opportunities that are walkable and in scale

02:50:15.320 --> 02:50:17.840
 with the area itself.

02:50:17.840 --> 02:50:23.120
 Also with the community design goals we talked about is returning to a sense of community,

02:50:23.120 --> 02:50:26.520
 making it more of a gathering place for people to want to invest in for a long time to buy

02:50:26.520 --> 02:50:30.840
 houses to commit themselves to it for a good period of time.

02:50:30.840 --> 02:50:37.840
 And just part of all of this is preserve the character of the area any way we possibly can.

02:50:37.840 --> 02:50:40.180
 Mobility goals is create gateways into the area.

02:50:40.180 --> 02:50:44.280
 One of the gateways, or possible gateways, is the fire station off of McCormick.

02:50:44.280 --> 02:50:50.120
 Ronald 35 and McCormick when you go in, places that are like markers for the area, some place

02:50:50.120 --> 02:50:56.040
 that makes it feel like, okay, this is my area now, welcomes you to the neighborhood.

02:50:56.040 --> 02:51:00.400
 Improve traffic signal operations in the area in terms of streetlight timing for vehicles

02:51:00.400 --> 02:51:04.640
 and pedestrians, especially along Eagle.

02:51:04.640 --> 02:51:08.120
 Improve traffic safety in the area in general.

02:51:08.120 --> 02:51:10.600
 And improve pedestrian safety and circulation as well.

02:51:10.600 --> 02:51:15.400
 Those are two pretty big things, especially as they're expanding on UNT, that seems to

02:51:15.400 --> 02:51:18.080
 be kind of an issue at the moment.

02:51:18.080 --> 02:51:24.400
 Parking and services goal, yeah, just as improved parking, I'm assuming we're gonna go through

02:51:24.400 --> 02:51:26.120
 that more later.

02:51:26.120 --> 02:51:28.480
 Create more, and also just create more neighborhood services.

02:51:28.480 --> 02:51:34.000
 We talked about through maybe potential overlay on Eagle Drive, but also there's some other

02:51:34.000 --> 02:51:37.400
 existing infrastructures we could also revitalize in the area later on.

02:51:37.400 --> 02:51:38.400
 All right.

02:51:38.400 --> 02:51:42.440
 And that being said, I'm gonna hand it off to my partner in crime, Christopher Walker.

02:51:42.440 --> 02:51:53.440
 - Good evening, commissioners, my name's Christopher Walker, I reside at 805 Emory Street.

02:51:53.440 --> 02:52:03.000
 Back to overarching recommendations and goals and visions for the entire area in total.

02:52:03.000 --> 02:52:06.920
 Protecting established neighborhoods and enhancing neighborhood character.

02:52:06.920 --> 02:52:11.840
 This right off the bat, I think, is an overarching through point through all of the recommendations,

02:52:11.840 --> 02:52:16.680
 goals, and visions that we, as a subcommittee, have been drafting.

02:52:16.680 --> 02:52:24.680
 We're very, very careful and mindful that we want to reflect and enhance the already

02:52:24.680 --> 02:52:26.800
 established character of this area.

02:52:26.800 --> 02:52:34.240
 And you'll notice that we don't use the term redevelop in most any of this entire presentation.

02:52:34.240 --> 02:52:39.040
 But we really emphasize reinvestment and revitalization.

02:52:39.040 --> 02:52:45.680
 LU2 promote economic development and strategic locations along key corridors and major intersections.

02:52:45.680 --> 02:52:53.520
 Again, that can be along Eagle Drive, certain key areas within sub area two, or along Oak

02:52:53.520 --> 02:52:58.080
 and Hickory, as well as Scrippeter Street.

02:52:58.080 --> 02:53:02.200
 LU3 support a diverse land use pattern, creating opportunities for mixed use within strategic

02:53:02.200 --> 02:53:05.880
 locations for people to live, work, and socialize.

02:53:05.880 --> 02:53:09.120
 Onto community design goals, improve streets that enhance the community's image through

02:53:09.120 --> 02:53:13.400
 streetscape improvements among major road quarters that welcome residents and visitors.

02:53:13.400 --> 02:53:20.200
 This gets a little bit back to the name of this entire plan, the Oak Gateway Plan.

02:53:20.200 --> 02:53:24.600
 It's emphasized in other ways throughout this presentation, but we really see that this

02:53:24.600 --> 02:53:28.600
 area is a gateway into Denton itself.

02:53:28.600 --> 02:53:36.320
 If you think about it geographically, it sits within the very center and heart of our city

02:53:36.320 --> 02:53:37.320
 land area.

02:53:37.320 --> 02:53:43.840
 And from the highway and traversing through, it provides figurative and could be literal

02:53:43.840 --> 02:53:49.800
 gateway entrances into the rest of the city.

02:53:49.800 --> 02:53:53.600
 CD2 create an integrated system of parks, trails, and open space with walking and biking

02:53:53.600 --> 02:53:56.720
 distance for residents.

02:53:56.720 --> 02:54:01.400
 This will go through immobility, improving linkages between sub-areas and other distinct

02:54:01.400 --> 02:54:07.000
 destinations between those two, really thinking thoughtfully about how people move through

02:54:07.000 --> 02:54:15.400
 this space and how linkages and from before, integrated systems can enhance that.

02:54:15.400 --> 02:54:19.520
 Area Plan M2, continue coordination between the neighborhoods, UNT, and the city to identify

02:54:19.520 --> 02:54:23.440
 and develop multiple ways to safely move through and around the area, again, re-emphasizing

02:54:23.440 --> 02:54:24.440
 that same point.

02:54:24.440 --> 02:54:29.320
 M3, reduce congestion and expand transportation options.

02:54:29.320 --> 02:54:34.160
 Within the parking goals, and again, as we've been alluding to, this will be hashed out

02:54:34.160 --> 02:54:39.120
 here in an incoming slide, develop a comprehensive strategic parking action plan based on community

02:54:39.120 --> 02:54:41.840
 input, then implement that plan.

02:54:41.840 --> 02:54:46.920
 Promote new parking facility designs that support mixed-use developments.

02:54:46.920 --> 02:54:54.320
 One of the major impetuses amongst folks within our subcommittee is thinking about the businesses

02:54:54.320 --> 02:54:59.680
 that are there and what their parking needs are and how they can be mitigated, enhanced

02:54:59.680 --> 02:55:03.760
 upon, and contended with.

02:55:03.760 --> 02:55:08.200
 Service goals, S1, create comprehensive funding mechanisms to fund public improvements for

02:55:08.200 --> 02:55:09.440
 the area plan.

02:55:09.440 --> 02:55:14.400
 S2, continue coordination between the neighborhood, UNT, and the city to identify and enhance

02:55:14.400 --> 02:55:16.280
 neighborhood services to the area.

02:55:16.280 --> 02:55:19.760
 It's already been mentioned, the loss of SAC and SAVE, but one of the things that we're

02:55:19.760 --> 02:55:29.200
 very mindful of is this is a bit of a grocer food desert, and then even beyond the grocery,

02:55:29.200 --> 02:55:34.040
 any actual restaurants and whatnot are kind of contended within one particular area within

02:55:34.040 --> 02:55:38.400
 this entire area plan, and we think there's certainly room and opportunity for that to

02:55:38.400 --> 02:55:44.320
 be made available in the other two areas as well.

02:55:44.320 --> 02:55:48.280
 S3, further coordination between property owners, business owners, and the city, whether

02:55:48.280 --> 02:55:53.040
 that comes through bodies similar to our subcommittee and like an expansion and continuation thereof

02:55:53.040 --> 02:55:54.240
 or something otherwise.

02:55:54.240 --> 02:55:59.000
 S4, improve the area's image and enhance neighborhoods using codes, regulations, programs,

02:55:59.000 --> 02:56:00.000
 and enforcement.

02:56:00.000 --> 02:56:06.000
 That again gets to overly districts and not only the zoning code update that is coming,

02:56:06.000 --> 02:56:18.640
 but something with, again, more thoughtful and directed codes and regulations that fit

02:56:18.640 --> 02:56:23.940
 development and reinvigoration to fit the character of the areas themselves.

02:56:23.940 --> 02:56:27.600
 S5, provide a wide range of high quality and affordable housing options.

02:56:27.600 --> 02:56:32.240
 S6, create facilities and programs that serve the city, areas, neighborhoods, and residents.

02:56:32.240 --> 02:56:37.720
 Okay, so one of the things we've been alluding to for a while here and what we're thinking

02:56:37.720 --> 02:56:44.760
 is a catalyst or pilot program within the Oak Hickory and Fry Street areas, this district

02:56:44.760 --> 02:56:47.840
 would be a parking benefit district.

02:56:47.840 --> 02:56:53.040
 This could be a public private entity or agency that is administered through the city but

02:56:53.040 --> 02:57:00.280
 has advice and consent through neighborhood groups within that district as an oversight

02:57:00.280 --> 02:57:05.480
 committee consisting of property owners, business owners, and city staff.

02:57:05.480 --> 02:57:10.200
 It has defined boundaries of where this is managed parking.

02:57:10.200 --> 02:57:18.040
 It would be paid parking metered through, if you're familiar with seeing this across

02:57:18.040 --> 02:57:22.840
 other cities, both in our state or elsewhere, whether that be app based, whether that be

02:57:22.840 --> 02:57:31.760
 a terminal kiosk in a parking lot or at adjacent intersections for blocks and streets.

02:57:31.760 --> 02:57:37.680
 Let me run through here and make sure I don't miss something.

02:57:37.680 --> 02:57:41.080
 The parking revenues that would be coming from this benefit district would first go

02:57:41.080 --> 02:57:45.560
 towards paying for its enforcement and an evaluation would need to be done to see whether

02:57:45.560 --> 02:57:51.680
 or not the enforcement should be primarily via police or can be of its own enforcement

02:57:51.680 --> 02:57:52.680
 staff.

02:57:52.680 --> 02:57:58.960
 It was the mood and general direction of our subcommittee that the enforcement should be

02:57:58.960 --> 02:58:03.560
 coming from the agency itself as paid staff.

02:58:03.560 --> 02:58:08.200
 Then eventually, it being a parking benefit district is that the excess revenue of this

02:58:08.200 --> 02:58:16.400
 goes back into the actual streetscape infrastructure and continuously enhancing the area that it

02:58:16.400 --> 02:58:17.400
 manages.

02:58:17.400 --> 02:58:23.800
 In a similar fashion, we have considered and are offering to propose within that same sort

02:58:23.800 --> 02:58:27.760
 of agency, a residential parking district.

02:58:27.760 --> 02:58:36.240
 This would be opt in by block, but not necessarily by an entire street, so a certain contingency

02:58:36.240 --> 02:58:44.120
 of numbers of homes and homeowners or the owners within a block would have to collectively

02:58:44.120 --> 02:58:49.200
 and by majority vote to opt in, not necessarily opt out.

02:58:49.200 --> 02:58:56.680
 It would be by permits, and there's options for both hang type permits or app based things

02:58:56.680 --> 02:59:05.200
 similar to the rest of the parking benefit district and enforced in the same agency.

02:59:05.200 --> 02:59:13.160
 Some catalyst projects within Area 1P1, you notice the way the parking striping happens

02:59:13.160 --> 02:59:16.400
 here along Hickory Street.

02:59:16.400 --> 02:59:25.560
 We've heard feedback that this kind of striping as opposed to the directly defined this exact

02:59:25.560 --> 02:59:31.440
 car space where it's not a loose, but a designated like this is the strip in which someone can

02:59:31.440 --> 02:59:37.200
 park rather than the exact notch out of each individual vehicle was appropriate.

02:59:37.200 --> 02:59:41.760
 However, this of course needs to come with enforcement to avoid situations like this

02:59:41.760 --> 02:59:46.760
 in which an enterprising vehicular driver thinks that if one portion of their vehicle

02:59:46.760 --> 02:59:52.960
 is there that that counts, in which it should not.

02:59:52.960 --> 02:59:53.960
 This one is a big one.

02:59:53.960 --> 02:59:57.760
 I know there's going to be some feedback from the room on this.

02:59:57.760 --> 03:00:07.600
 I, as well as Sonia, were some of the bicycle representatives on this committee.

03:00:07.600 --> 03:00:12.800
 This is a component of this area plan and recommendations that has received a lot of

03:00:12.800 --> 03:00:21.880
 feedback from both our public forums and the open house that came afterwards.

03:00:21.880 --> 03:00:27.480
 Out of our last meeting, an option was presented in the style of a warner.

03:00:27.480 --> 03:00:35.840
 I think that was articulated a little bit before in the meeting earlier today.

03:00:35.840 --> 03:00:42.880
 If you read it, just laid out as it is here on this slide, it seems to signify just parallel

03:00:42.880 --> 03:00:54.840
 parking, a share row, and some bump outs and other infrastructure that would indicate a

03:00:54.840 --> 03:00:55.840
 slowing down.

03:00:55.840 --> 03:01:02.320
 Personally, as a bicyclist, when I hear share row, I think dooring, because I've seen that

03:01:02.320 --> 03:01:03.320
 happen.

03:01:03.320 --> 03:01:08.920
 That is not what we as a committee were agreed to last week.

03:01:08.920 --> 03:01:13.720
 We were sold on the idea of a true warner.

03:01:13.720 --> 03:01:19.840
 To articulate that, we'll have a partial slide here.

03:01:19.840 --> 03:01:25.600
 You see certain enhancements that could happen here at the intersection, such as these raised

03:01:25.600 --> 03:01:26.980
 bump crosswalks.

03:01:26.980 --> 03:01:32.440
 You notice the utilities have been sunken to the ground, and the street lights are now

03:01:32.440 --> 03:01:39.880
 off to the side requiring that vehicles, or really all intermodal users of these two blocks,

03:01:39.880 --> 03:01:45.800
 would have to pay attention to their surroundings for the basic traffic hues.

03:01:45.800 --> 03:01:53.800
 What really distinguishes a Woonorff from this style, Woonorff is an overarching European

03:01:53.800 --> 03:01:59.520
 term, but you might have also heard this as a better block, complete street, living street,

03:01:59.520 --> 03:02:01.120
 things like that.

03:02:01.120 --> 03:02:07.000
 The way that actually comes about is that it slows and directs all intermodal traffic

03:02:07.000 --> 03:02:12.880
 in a way that embraces what this area actually is, and that is a heavily pedestrian trafficked

03:02:12.880 --> 03:02:13.880
 area.

03:02:13.880 --> 03:02:19.240
 Again, harkening back to each recommendation in this area plan is to enhance the already

03:02:19.240 --> 03:02:22.560
 existing character of that area.

03:02:22.560 --> 03:02:25.480
 That means people are crossing mid-block, not just at intersections.

03:02:25.480 --> 03:02:29.040
 That means this is a shared intermodal space.

03:02:29.040 --> 03:02:34.600
 If a true Woonorff were to happen, it would have to reflect that character and enhance

03:02:34.600 --> 03:02:35.600
 upon it.

03:02:35.600 --> 03:02:40.480
 That doesn't necessarily mean a share where it is just a straight line and parking on

03:02:40.480 --> 03:02:46.440
 both sides, but parking broken up, infrastructure brought out and abutting into the streets

03:02:46.440 --> 03:02:51.400
 so that it's not just a straight through lane, but it is a little bit of a wiggle or a curve

03:02:51.400 --> 03:02:56.440
 so that it demands that anybody using that street actually pays attention to what's going

03:02:56.440 --> 03:03:02.640
 on and maintains the safety they are in.

03:03:02.640 --> 03:03:08.560
 I think if we need to expand upon that further, we can, because I'm sure it will receive both

03:03:08.560 --> 03:03:16.480
 public comment and questions from you all, just judging on the facial reactions I'm seeing.

03:03:16.480 --> 03:03:22.400
 The one other thing I would note upon that is that out of last week's meeting when we

03:03:22.400 --> 03:03:26.760
 were content with this, it was contingent upon it being designed and brought back as

03:03:26.760 --> 03:03:28.520
 a true Woonorff.

03:03:28.520 --> 03:03:34.000
 If it wasn't, I think a heavy caveat would be there that the protected bike lane that

03:03:34.000 --> 03:03:41.640
 had been presented and received a lot of favorable comments and agreement upon from the community

03:03:41.640 --> 03:03:46.160
 would be the default standby, if were that not to be the case.

03:03:46.160 --> 03:04:07.600
 We identified some catalyst projects, some things that we could begin to look at immediately

03:04:07.600 --> 03:04:14.840
 so we would feel like we were doing something once the plan is voted on and begins doing

03:04:14.840 --> 03:04:16.440
 its thing.

03:04:16.440 --> 03:04:24.360
 One of the catalyst projects that we looked at is creating some additional overlay districts

03:04:24.360 --> 03:04:31.840
 within the small area plan and also another conservation district.

03:04:31.840 --> 03:04:36.480
 The first one that we looked at here is the scripture street.

03:04:36.480 --> 03:04:44.800
 Like I said earlier, the zoning that is currently in place is tied to the old flow hospital.

03:04:44.800 --> 03:04:50.840
 So Chopsticks is there, perfect, Killer's Tacos is there, perfect.

03:04:50.840 --> 03:05:00.600
 But they also left room for an SRO going in on the old rehab center site.

03:05:00.600 --> 03:05:07.840
 So with that in mind, we have identified scripture as a good place for an overlay that would

03:05:07.840 --> 03:05:16.440
 allow additional requirements to revitalization in the area, any projects coming up.

03:05:16.440 --> 03:05:18.560
 It would encourage more walkability.

03:05:18.560 --> 03:05:24.040
 You can see on this slide that there are sidewalks over there on the south side.

03:05:24.040 --> 03:05:29.540
 This is the intersection right here of Jago and scripture.

03:05:29.540 --> 03:05:35.240
 So there are sidewalks on one side, you don't have sidewalks on the north side of that street.

03:05:35.240 --> 03:05:42.640
 But additionally, this is a neighborhood that wants more goods and services that are close

03:05:42.640 --> 03:05:43.640
 by.

03:05:43.640 --> 03:05:47.020
 These are mainly neighbors who don't want to get in their cars for everything.

03:05:47.020 --> 03:05:53.920
 So if we could identify this area as, again, a good place to enhance the walkability, enhance

03:05:53.920 --> 03:06:02.640
 the bikeability, but also encourage more businesses to invest in that area.

03:06:02.640 --> 03:06:05.560
 Again, neighborhood goods and services.

03:06:05.560 --> 03:06:10.560
 We also tossed out there the idea of using a form-based code in the area.

03:06:10.560 --> 03:06:16.200
 There is interest in this area in a national registry district, which would then preserve

03:06:16.200 --> 03:06:17.200
 the structures.

03:06:17.200 --> 03:06:24.040
 And of course, a form-based code would require that the structures, historic structures remain

03:06:24.040 --> 03:06:30.140
 intact, yet the use of those structures could change.

03:06:30.140 --> 03:06:40.080
 So there is the area with Normal Street, Bryan, Frye, where there are still some single-family

03:06:40.080 --> 03:06:41.080
 residences.

03:06:41.080 --> 03:06:53.360
 But if a business was interested, again, there's already law offices on Sycamore, I believe.

03:06:53.360 --> 03:06:57.740
 But you could change the use without changing the building.

03:06:57.740 --> 03:07:03.720
 So the character could remain the same, but there could be more services for the neighborhood

03:07:03.720 --> 03:07:08.080
 and for people on the north side of UNT.

03:07:08.080 --> 03:07:14.560
 The other catalyst project we're looking at is an overlay district in the Oak Hickory

03:07:14.560 --> 03:07:17.480
 area, which would then include Frye Street.

03:07:17.480 --> 03:07:23.200
 But this overlay would go up West Hickory.

03:07:23.200 --> 03:07:29.360
 It would then be backing up to the West Oak Historical District.

03:07:29.360 --> 03:07:34.520
 So we would need to discuss buffering and compatibility there.

03:07:34.520 --> 03:07:43.900
 But again, encouraging more urban design, more goods and services for that area.

03:07:43.900 --> 03:07:52.200
 We're also looking at the Collins area as an overlay district, a historical overlay

03:07:52.200 --> 03:07:55.720
 district, or a conservation district.

03:07:55.720 --> 03:08:02.160
 Lots of single-family homes there with, again, they could be preserved.

03:08:02.160 --> 03:08:07.080
 And I get a little picture there of the old Greenlea Street, my goodness.

03:08:07.080 --> 03:08:13.560
 And then finally, we're taking a look at the Sycamore area as a potential historical conservation

03:08:13.560 --> 03:08:14.560
 district.

03:08:14.560 --> 03:08:22.760
 Again, if it's a conservation district and we additionally use form-based code with that,

03:08:22.760 --> 03:08:30.780
 that is a perfect area where we could do, again, like I said, more attorney's offices,

03:08:30.780 --> 03:08:40.720
 more just services, and you maintain the structure, yet bring revitalized businesses in.

03:08:40.720 --> 03:08:44.240
 So those are some catalyst projects that we're looking at.

03:08:44.240 --> 03:08:53.120
 And they would be additional overlays to the small area plan, so that's a lot of layers,

03:08:53.120 --> 03:08:57.120
 but we can do it.

03:08:57.120 --> 03:09:01.200
 And next, Kim's going to talk about sidewalk programs.

03:09:01.200 --> 03:09:05.280
 I think that's one of the things I'm going to talk about.

03:09:05.280 --> 03:09:06.280
 My name's Kim McKibbin.

03:09:06.280 --> 03:09:11.680
 I've been pleased to be the vice chair of this program for the past year, and it's been

03:09:11.680 --> 03:09:16.120
 a really interesting program, and I don't think it's something that's going to go away.

03:09:16.120 --> 03:09:22.880
 Because what we do have here are some very concrete recommendations that we can begin

03:09:22.880 --> 03:09:27.080
 with, we can look at as ongoing projects in the city, things that are already happening,

03:09:27.080 --> 03:09:31.420
 things that can move some of these other things forward that are in line with those visions.

03:09:31.420 --> 03:09:36.680
 One of the first recommendations that comes up as an ongoing recommendation is the priority

03:09:36.680 --> 03:09:38.040
 sidewalk connections.

03:09:38.040 --> 03:09:43.880
 Now, these have been identified by the city, by the different people who are working on

03:09:43.880 --> 03:09:49.040
 these projects, by our new pedestrian and bike coordinator, but to be able to repair

03:09:49.040 --> 03:09:53.480
 and enhance some of the existing sidewalks in the areas that we're talking about, and

03:09:53.480 --> 03:09:57.520
 install some of the sidewalks where there's gaps in the area.

03:09:57.520 --> 03:10:01.000
 It's very obvious you'll be walking along, and the sidewalk will be there, and then it'll

03:10:01.000 --> 03:10:05.440
 be gone for half a block, and then it'll come back again, and it'll go away again.

03:10:05.440 --> 03:10:10.200
 Some of the sidewalks are the old WPA things, some are newer sidewalks that have been put

03:10:10.200 --> 03:10:12.980
 in, some desperately need repair.

03:10:12.980 --> 03:10:18.760
 We are asking or suggesting a minimum five-foot sidewalk, but we'd really like an eight-foot

03:10:18.760 --> 03:10:21.160
 if that can be worked into the plans.

03:10:21.160 --> 03:10:26.720
 Also, in a lot of places through this whole area, because of the proximity to the university,

03:10:26.720 --> 03:10:31.920
 we're asking that maybe some rapid flashing beacons be at unsealed pedestrian crossings.

03:10:31.920 --> 03:10:39.280
 One of these would be the one at Welch and Oak, where it runs into the church there.

03:10:39.280 --> 03:10:44.160
 It's just really hard to get across in those kinds of areas, so some flashing lights might

03:10:44.160 --> 03:10:48.000
 be really helpful for us in some of those areas.

03:10:48.000 --> 03:10:53.280
 When you go back and you think again about catalyst projects, where do we get started?

03:10:53.280 --> 03:10:57.200
 You've heard a whole lot of stuff, and these were just some of the highlights, but there

03:10:57.200 --> 03:11:03.000
 are pages and pages and pages of an Excel spreadsheet that we worked on and worked from

03:11:03.000 --> 03:11:06.320
 near the end, identifying what could we do now?

03:11:06.320 --> 03:11:09.520
 What could we use to get started as a catalyst?

03:11:09.520 --> 03:11:11.320
 What do you start this process with?

03:11:11.320 --> 03:11:12.620
 Where do you begin?

03:11:12.620 --> 03:11:16.560
 Because it's a huge ongoing project from now on out.

03:11:16.560 --> 03:11:19.900
 We're looking at this and working on these plans.

03:11:19.900 --> 03:11:24.520
 Another catalyst project that was coming up, because this came up over and over again,

03:11:24.520 --> 03:11:29.260
 was to repair the existing street lights in some of the areas and install street lights

03:11:29.260 --> 03:11:31.640
 where they're needed.

03:11:31.640 --> 03:11:35.080
 There's one here on Fry Street that you can see, and then here's another on Stella.

03:11:35.080 --> 03:11:40.620
 You can just barely see the little pocket park or the park that's on the corner there

03:11:40.620 --> 03:11:43.080
 behind the dumpster.

03:11:43.080 --> 03:11:45.400
 A lot of these places don't have any street lights.

03:11:45.400 --> 03:11:49.680
 If there are street lights, they're not functional.

03:11:49.680 --> 03:11:54.920
 The one here on Stella Street is these telephone poles are set to be replaced with the power

03:11:54.920 --> 03:11:57.680
 poles for DME.

03:11:57.680 --> 03:12:01.880
 We do have assurance that DME is going to put those lights back up there.

03:12:01.880 --> 03:12:03.320
 That's also helpful.

03:12:03.320 --> 03:12:07.760
 A catalyst project that everyone was interested in is getting more light into the area, so

03:12:07.760 --> 03:12:09.480
 sidewalks, lighting.

03:12:09.480 --> 03:12:14.780
 This goes back to the walkability and the compatibility of the different spaces.

03:12:14.780 --> 03:12:19.880
 Another catalyst project that came up is in Area 3, and this is something that can be

03:12:19.880 --> 03:12:25.720
 done immediately, minimal cost, that multiple people identified.

03:12:25.720 --> 03:12:29.840
 That's to expand the two-way stop at Bernard and Collins to a four-way stop.

03:12:29.840 --> 03:12:33.280
 It's a nice, long stretch.

03:12:33.280 --> 03:12:35.360
 People get going pretty fast.

03:12:35.360 --> 03:12:38.480
 Over and over again, we heard from people on the committee and from people who came

03:12:38.480 --> 03:12:44.060
 to the community meetings, this was something that needed to happen.

03:12:44.060 --> 03:12:49.560
 Here's another thing in Area 1 and Area 2, where they come together, a catalyst project.

03:12:49.560 --> 03:12:54.680
 Because of the things that are happening in the city right now, we might be able to make

03:12:54.680 --> 03:12:59.280
 some improvements to existing parks and identify new park opportunities.

03:12:59.280 --> 03:13:03.800
 The Bonny Bray expansion is going to make major changes to the landscape down there

03:13:03.800 --> 03:13:04.800
 in that area.

03:13:04.800 --> 03:13:11.680
 It's going to isolate a little spot and open up some spaces.

03:13:11.680 --> 03:13:15.940
 Parks opportunities, the UNT property at Bradley Street has been discussed.

03:13:15.940 --> 03:13:19.520
 There's a little place there that could easily become a park at park.

03:13:19.520 --> 03:13:23.800
 There's very few parks in this area.

03:13:23.800 --> 03:13:29.100
 The decommissioned DME property on the northwest corner of Bonny Bray and Hickory Street could

03:13:29.100 --> 03:13:34.160
 possibly become utilized as a pocket park, a wider, linear park, as they're talking

03:13:34.160 --> 03:13:38.720
 about along Bonny Bray.

03:13:38.720 --> 03:13:42.200
 One of the recommendations that comes through over and over again is we're not going to

03:13:42.200 --> 03:13:47.160
 be able to do this if we don't engage the community groups to participate in the implementation

03:13:47.160 --> 03:13:49.680
 of this.

03:13:49.680 --> 03:13:52.640
 We don't envision that it's going to be the city coming in and say, "This is the way it's

03:13:52.640 --> 03:13:53.640
 going to be."

03:13:53.640 --> 03:13:57.200
 It's going to be the communities coming back to the city and saying, "This is how we would

03:13:57.200 --> 03:13:58.520
 like to do this.

03:13:58.520 --> 03:14:01.360
 This is where we would like to go with these sort of things."

03:14:01.360 --> 03:14:06.840
 We really do have to encourage citizen engagement and keep them involved in the process.

03:14:06.840 --> 03:14:16.560
 Well, okay, what we had to look at, once again, with a lot of the spreadsheets, was what were

03:14:16.560 --> 03:14:19.600
 the priority recommendations?

03:14:19.600 --> 03:14:21.700
 What did we want to fix off the bat?

03:14:21.700 --> 03:14:24.720
 What did we want to look at first?

03:14:24.720 --> 03:14:32.360
 We came up, or the city people came up with recommended implementation timelines, short-term,

03:14:32.360 --> 03:14:38.760
 medium-term, and long-term, and implementing agencies would need to be identified.

03:14:38.760 --> 03:14:43.280
 Some we have already identified in this paperwork, who needs to work together to get something

03:14:43.280 --> 03:14:48.480
 done, and the catalyst in ongoing projects that you've just seen here.

03:14:48.480 --> 03:14:52.560
 Those were the beginning points for us.

03:14:52.560 --> 03:14:56.940
 We did have a quorum in our last meeting last Thursday night.

03:14:56.940 --> 03:14:58.120
 We looked at all of this.

03:14:58.120 --> 03:15:03.080
 We looked at sheets and sheets of stuff that we've written on all three plans, and on the

03:15:03.080 --> 03:15:09.040
 areas as they combine as a whole, and also is how they influence other areas right adjacent

03:15:09.040 --> 03:15:11.360
 to these areas.

03:15:11.360 --> 03:15:17.800
 We did recommend, as a committee, approval 11 to 0.

03:15:17.800 --> 03:15:22.000
 Staff is also recommending approval of the draft visions, goals, recommendations, and

03:15:22.000 --> 03:15:23.000
 implementing strategies.

03:15:23.000 --> 03:15:24.880
 You ready to come back up, Ron?

03:15:24.880 --> 03:15:31.080
 We're going to let Ron field out all your questions and point to the rest of us.

03:15:31.080 --> 03:15:32.080
 Thank you.

03:15:32.080 --> 03:15:33.080
 Thank you.

03:15:33.080 --> 03:15:34.080
 Appreciate the time.

03:15:34.080 --> 03:15:38.240
 I know it was a long presentation, but this was an important project.

03:15:38.240 --> 03:15:40.960
 We want to make sure we cover it as much as we could.

03:15:40.960 --> 03:15:46.400
 With that, I'm happy to answer any questions that you all may have.

03:15:46.400 --> 03:15:47.400
 I think we do, Ron.

03:15:47.400 --> 03:15:50.540
 If I could just say a couple of things to the commissioners.

03:15:50.540 --> 03:15:57.200
 If you have specific questions to staff, then let's ask them and get them answered, but

03:15:57.200 --> 03:16:00.680
 maybe not long discussion, because it is a public hearing.

03:16:00.680 --> 03:16:04.160
 We do have people who want to speak, so we do have more things to listen to.

03:16:04.160 --> 03:16:05.160
 Okay?

03:16:05.160 --> 03:16:06.160
 Please.

03:16:06.160 --> 03:16:07.160
 Commissioner Smith.

03:16:07.160 --> 03:16:08.160
 Thank you, Vice Chair.

03:16:08.160 --> 03:16:14.840
 Ron, just to get clarification, it is a vote of vote, or really I should say it's more

03:16:14.840 --> 03:16:20.280
 of a legal question, but what you're wanting to get approved tonight is a recommendation

03:16:20.280 --> 03:16:26.480
 to city council that just gives them essentially direction on what this plan would be, would

03:16:26.480 --> 03:16:32.400
 just be direction for what the neighborhood wants this area to become and how it wants

03:16:32.400 --> 03:16:33.400
 to be treated.

03:16:33.400 --> 03:16:34.400
 It's not specific projects.

03:16:34.400 --> 03:16:39.360
 It's not even specific details in relation to specific projects in that area, but it's

03:16:39.360 --> 03:16:47.160
 more of this plan gives an overview direction for this geographical location in our city

03:16:47.160 --> 03:16:51.360
 and what the people who are involved in this committee, which were a lot of residents who

03:16:51.360 --> 03:16:54.520
 live in that area, what they would like to see this area treated as.

03:16:54.520 --> 03:16:55.520
 Is that correct?

03:16:55.520 --> 03:16:56.520
 That is correct.

03:16:56.520 --> 03:17:04.060
 It's an area plan, a plan for the area, recommendations, what happens after.

03:17:04.060 --> 03:17:09.720
 We have to go through an implementation of it, and that would, if required, need to go

03:17:09.720 --> 03:17:14.960
 to certain groups in particular.

03:17:14.960 --> 03:17:19.880
 If it's a utility, if it's a planning relay, we'll have to come back to you all, but it's

03:17:19.880 --> 03:17:22.960
 just a recommendation, a guide of what we need to do next.

03:17:22.960 --> 03:17:23.960
 Correct.

03:17:23.960 --> 03:17:24.960
 Thank you very much.

03:17:24.960 --> 03:17:25.960
 I appreciate it.

03:17:25.960 --> 03:17:30.440
 If I could add on to that, it's not a plan, as I understand it, in the sense of a plan

03:17:30.440 --> 03:17:36.280
 amendment under the plan amendment procedure of the DDC, and I know that's rather confusing

03:17:36.280 --> 03:17:43.120
 because it was posted for a double public hearing as if it were a recommendation to

03:17:43.120 --> 03:17:52.920
 the city council to change the plan that would influence and give credibility to future zoning

03:17:52.920 --> 03:17:57.560
 actions that would be taken in accordance with it.

03:17:57.560 --> 03:18:06.320
 There are a number of provisions in here that are not within the scope of the planning and

03:18:06.320 --> 03:18:13.120
 zoning commission's charge necessarily, like, for example, the layout of traffic devices

03:18:13.120 --> 03:18:21.040
 on public streets or parking enforcement methodologies, the use of parking funds, the creation of

03:18:21.040 --> 03:18:31.120
 parking committees that would not be binding upon future zoning cases, even with a recommendation

03:18:31.120 --> 03:18:35.840
 that would be brought forward.

03:18:35.840 --> 03:18:42.560
 It's a recommendation that's brought forward to the planning and zoning commission as an

03:18:42.560 --> 03:18:51.680
 advisory board in much the way that a rate ordinance might be recommended to the city

03:18:51.680 --> 03:18:54.600
 council by the public utilities board.

03:18:54.600 --> 03:19:02.040
 So in making a recommendation, passing along to the city council, this is the hard work

03:19:02.040 --> 03:19:09.720
 of this committee, these are the recommendations that they would like to see in this area,

03:19:09.720 --> 03:19:14.640
 but because of the way that this was posted, because of the possibility that there could

03:19:14.640 --> 03:19:21.160
 be confusion, you know, I just wanted to make sure that there wasn't confusion.

03:19:21.160 --> 03:19:26.880
 It's not a plan in the sense of a plan amendment procedure of the DDC, it's not a plan in the

03:19:26.880 --> 03:19:32.400
 sense of a comprehensive plan or a comprehensive plan amendment.

03:19:32.400 --> 03:19:36.080
 Thank you, Jerry.

03:19:36.080 --> 03:19:37.080
 Commissioner Sanchez.

03:19:37.080 --> 03:19:43.920
 I guess my question is, the committee has done a great job of identifying needs for

03:19:43.920 --> 03:19:46.000
 each of those areas.

03:19:46.000 --> 03:19:51.760
 Does a committee, is a committee going to continue, or that's it?

03:19:51.760 --> 03:19:55.080
 So once the plan has been created, they resolve?

03:19:55.080 --> 03:20:00.640
 Correct, that was their task, and the committee will dissolve once this recommendation is

03:20:00.640 --> 03:20:03.600
 brought forward to city council.

03:20:03.600 --> 03:20:06.680
 Commissioner Pernao.

03:20:06.680 --> 03:20:12.360
 And I just kind of wanted to go back and clarify, you know, some of the points that you, in

03:20:12.360 --> 03:20:14.580
 legal, just made.

03:20:14.580 --> 03:20:20.200
 So during the presentation, I know there was a discussion about things that were in the

03:20:20.200 --> 03:20:27.000
 plan that weren't specifically what I guess some of the members of the committee had agreed

03:20:27.000 --> 03:20:28.000
 on.

03:20:28.000 --> 03:20:30.800
 I think bike lanes was one of them and everything.

03:20:30.800 --> 03:20:33.680
 And I just wanted to stress kind of what you were saying.

03:20:33.680 --> 03:20:39.640
 When we vote to approve this, what we're not doing is saying this is exactly how things

03:20:39.640 --> 03:20:42.520
 are going to go, this is just a general overview.

03:20:42.520 --> 03:20:49.860
 And in particular, things like a bike lane or the, you know, the textured walk crossways,

03:20:49.860 --> 03:20:53.300
 those aren't in the purview of planning and zoning anyway, right?

03:20:53.300 --> 03:20:54.300
 Right.

03:20:54.300 --> 03:20:55.300
 Okay.

03:20:55.300 --> 03:21:00.520
 There's no super majority vote that will be created as a consequence of your vote tonight

03:21:00.520 --> 03:21:02.760
 with city council.

03:21:02.760 --> 03:21:09.720
 It's just, you know, forwarding along the recommendations of this committee and confirming

03:21:09.720 --> 03:21:18.200
 that you did hold a public hearing on this and letting the council consider it, you know,

03:21:18.200 --> 03:21:22.960
 within their purview as a legislative body of the city of Denton.

03:21:22.960 --> 03:21:23.960
 Okay.

03:21:23.960 --> 03:21:28.760
 And this one I think would go back to Ms. Lyke.

03:21:28.760 --> 03:21:34.120
 We kind of had a little question about, the first thing I wanted to ask was, you used

03:21:34.120 --> 03:21:41.200
 the phrase intensity versus density and can we get a clarification on, you know, what

03:21:41.200 --> 03:21:45.840
 the idea is between the distinction of those two terms when related to cement city?

03:21:45.840 --> 03:21:46.840
 Yeah.

03:21:46.840 --> 03:21:48.120
 I would have to say it is an idea.

03:21:48.120 --> 03:21:49.120
 This is not a codification.

03:21:49.120 --> 03:21:50.120
 Okay.

03:21:50.120 --> 03:21:53.400
 This is something, you're not going to find it in black's law, let me tell you.

03:21:53.400 --> 03:21:54.400
 Okay.

03:21:54.400 --> 03:22:01.320
 But as we talked about this idea in cement city, for instance, that we didn't want to

03:22:01.320 --> 03:22:09.480
 necessarily demand that we increase density on a one acre, for instance.

03:22:09.480 --> 03:22:10.480
 Okay.

03:22:10.480 --> 03:22:17.760
 So the number of, you know, the number of bodies that could inhabit one acre might not

03:22:17.760 --> 03:22:28.440
 necessarily change per recommendation, but the intensity of use in an area might change.

03:22:28.440 --> 03:22:37.880
 Right now that area allows for, I think, 40 foot buildings, but there's a height max in

03:22:37.880 --> 03:22:38.880
 that area.

03:22:38.880 --> 03:22:39.880
 Right.

03:22:39.880 --> 03:22:45.000
 And that means that necessarily those apartment complexes have spread.

03:22:45.000 --> 03:22:50.240
 Now that is an area that's close to the highway, it's close to UNT.

03:22:50.240 --> 03:22:58.280
 So they are ripe for higher buildings, taller buildings, more vertical buildings that might

03:22:58.280 --> 03:23:06.240
 then be going up, allow for more green space, allow for some of the, you know, more parks

03:23:06.240 --> 03:23:08.040
 as we've been talking about.

03:23:08.040 --> 03:23:14.400
 So the intensity on that like three quarters acre might increase, but the density over

03:23:14.400 --> 03:23:21.880
 one acre might not because the other quarter acre could remain green space or, you know,

03:23:21.880 --> 03:23:24.160
 shared parks.

03:23:24.160 --> 03:23:28.600
 So it's more like the difference between capacity versus footprint, right?

03:23:28.600 --> 03:23:29.600
 Yeah.

03:23:29.600 --> 03:23:30.600
 Okay.

03:23:30.600 --> 03:23:31.600
 Right.

03:23:31.600 --> 03:23:32.600
 Right.

03:23:32.600 --> 03:23:33.600
 Yeah.

03:23:33.600 --> 03:23:35.520
 The other thing that I wanted to, and somebody mentioned it when we were talking about it,

03:23:35.520 --> 03:23:39.920
 and I think you mentioned it as well, the loss of SAC and SAFE as far as the grocery

03:23:39.920 --> 03:23:40.920
 store.

03:23:40.920 --> 03:23:43.200
 And that's one of the things that's kind of occurred to me in that area that we have

03:23:43.200 --> 03:23:46.920
 effectively created a food desert because I guess people would have to go to Albertson's

03:23:46.920 --> 03:23:54.360
 Way over in Bonnie Bray or, but I guess Kroger, which is far away and not, you know, compatible

03:23:54.360 --> 03:23:56.200
 with foot traffic.

03:23:56.200 --> 03:24:04.120
 Are there areas that y'all have identified where we might be able to put or entice maybe

03:24:04.120 --> 03:24:12.080
 a grocery store that would make those areas more accessible for people on foot to get

03:24:12.080 --> 03:24:13.080
 basic staples?

03:24:13.080 --> 03:24:22.280
 Well, we were not able to identify specific lots or specific areas, but as like Ron was

03:24:22.280 --> 03:24:30.080
 saying, we're doing our best to give suggestions so that we create a hope which could create

03:24:30.080 --> 03:24:38.000
 an expectation that those services would become part of these neighborhoods.

03:24:38.000 --> 03:24:44.160
 But I don't believe that we could establish a particular site where we would say that's

03:24:44.160 --> 03:24:48.840
 definitely where we would put that particular, you know, grocery store.

03:24:48.840 --> 03:24:54.280
 And by that I didn't mean a specific site, but like, you know, I know that there are

03:24:54.280 --> 03:25:00.640
 different ideals identified as to where things could go, were there any areas that y'all

03:25:00.640 --> 03:25:05.840
 thought are in general would be an area where that could, you know, we could see that kind

03:25:05.840 --> 03:25:06.840
 of development?

03:25:06.840 --> 03:25:12.360
 Well, we did think, of course, that sub area two, if there was an area that was going to

03:25:12.360 --> 03:25:20.680
 be revitalized would be a perfect place for small grocery stores.

03:25:20.680 --> 03:25:26.080
 People do talk about the failure of many of the small grocery stores that have popped

03:25:26.080 --> 03:25:33.080
 up in Denton, but another member of our steering committee has seen very successful bodegas

03:25:33.080 --> 03:25:38.600
 go in, in many of the surrounding communities.

03:25:38.600 --> 03:25:46.560
 So something small, something that is, again, this intensity meets the neighborhood, and

03:25:46.560 --> 03:25:49.600
 I think sub area two would be a great place.

03:25:49.600 --> 03:25:53.440
 We apparently know nothing about what's going in right now.

03:25:53.440 --> 03:26:02.200
 What will go in south of UNT, where, you know, Poncho's was, that whole Carriage Square area.

03:26:02.200 --> 03:26:03.200
 Right.

03:26:03.200 --> 03:26:04.200
 Carriage Square.

03:26:04.200 --> 03:26:05.200
 Okay.

03:26:05.200 --> 03:26:06.200
 Yeah.

03:26:06.200 --> 03:26:07.200
 All right.

03:26:07.200 --> 03:26:08.200
 That's a little bit.

03:26:08.200 --> 03:26:09.200
 Yeah.

03:26:09.200 --> 03:26:10.200
 Thank you.

03:26:10.200 --> 03:26:11.200
 Okay.

03:26:11.200 --> 03:26:12.200
 This is a public hearing.

03:26:12.200 --> 03:26:13.200
 I've got some cards to speak.

03:26:13.200 --> 03:26:24.520
 Kevin Marshall, is that your name and address, and your time will begin?

03:26:24.520 --> 03:26:25.520
 Yeah.

03:26:25.520 --> 03:26:29.120
 So I just came here ... I need your name and address for the record.

03:26:29.120 --> 03:26:30.480
 Your name and address for the record.

03:26:30.480 --> 03:26:31.480
 Kevin Marshall.

03:26:31.480 --> 03:26:32.480
 Thank you.

03:26:32.480 --> 03:26:35.680
 700 West Hickory Street.

03:26:35.680 --> 03:26:42.720
 I own a property, 700 West Hickory Street, and also a business there.

03:26:42.720 --> 03:26:49.000
 So I mainly just came today to point out ... I mean, everything that I've heard so far has

03:26:49.000 --> 03:26:55.840
 been really nice, because I think everything from the trees to the zoning areas are different

03:26:55.840 --> 03:26:59.480
 things that apply to me with two of the locations that I have.

03:26:59.480 --> 03:27:07.440
 But the main thing is, whenever y'all are looking at developing out Hickory and that

03:27:07.440 --> 03:27:14.920
 area in there, the main thing that I wanted to kind of push forward is, I definitely think

03:27:14.920 --> 03:27:22.360
 when we develop that area that we need a designated bike lane and not shared lanes.

03:27:22.360 --> 03:27:26.360
 That's one thing I sit there and do all day long is watch cyclists and pedestrians walk

03:27:26.360 --> 03:27:28.000
 down the road.

03:27:28.000 --> 03:27:32.400
 And there are constantly ... I mean, there's more pedestrians walking from campus to the

03:27:32.400 --> 03:27:39.040
 square than there are cyclists, and the sidewalks are definitely packed out.

03:27:39.040 --> 03:27:43.720
 I ride on that road probably every day.

03:27:43.720 --> 03:27:49.480
 And it's definitely not a safe area if you've ever been there on a bike.

03:27:49.480 --> 03:27:52.720
 People leave campus in quite a hurry in their cars.

03:27:52.720 --> 03:27:57.620
 So I know my friend actually sits out, he also owns property on Hickory, and he sits

03:27:57.620 --> 03:28:06.320
 out there with a ... he's got a laser speed gun and tracks how fast people are going in

03:28:06.320 --> 03:28:09.760
 his front yard.

03:28:09.760 --> 03:28:14.600
 So there are people constantly flying down that road, so we definitely need a safe way

03:28:14.600 --> 03:28:19.520
 to get back and forth from campus to the square.

03:28:19.520 --> 03:28:22.480
 But that was the main thing that I was just gonna point out.

03:28:22.480 --> 03:28:28.920
 I think I love the idea of developing the area, actually doing some multi-zoning where

03:28:28.920 --> 03:28:35.040
 it can be residential, but leaving ... I mean, I'm one of the rare spots where I'm in a historic

03:28:35.040 --> 03:28:40.320
 district, but I am a residential historic district, but I am a business right there.

03:28:40.320 --> 03:28:45.440
 So I know it's been really good for me, and there are some other businesses there.

03:28:45.440 --> 03:28:52.640
 I really like everything that I heard in y'all's plan, it all sounded really good, seemed like

03:28:52.640 --> 03:28:56.400
 it was moving in the right direction for that area.

03:28:56.400 --> 03:29:02.920
 But definitely when we are looking at doing that, we need to give cyclists a safe way

03:29:02.920 --> 03:29:07.360
 to get from campus, because you are gonna have ... you're gonna end up having people

03:29:07.360 --> 03:29:09.240
 get killed.

03:29:09.240 --> 03:29:11.840
 That's really what it comes down to.

03:29:11.840 --> 03:29:18.900
 Over the years, I've lost a couple of customers just from automobile accidents, getting hit,

03:29:18.900 --> 03:29:24.560
 being cyclists, getting hit by cars, and so that is something that you will see, and you'll

03:29:24.560 --> 03:29:30.800
 look back on the development of that area and the decision to share that road.

03:29:30.800 --> 03:29:34.320
 So I think it's pretty serious, and we need to take it with that weight.

03:29:34.320 --> 03:29:35.320
 But yeah.

03:29:35.320 --> 03:29:36.320
 Thank y'all.

03:29:36.320 --> 03:29:37.980
 Y'all are doing a great job.

03:29:37.980 --> 03:29:38.980
 Thank you.

03:29:38.980 --> 03:29:40.400
 I shall mark you in support.

03:29:40.400 --> 03:29:43.120
 You didn't mark your card, so in support of what you heard today?

03:29:43.120 --> 03:29:44.120
 Yeah.

03:29:44.120 --> 03:29:47.920
 Support and support of having designated cycling lanes.

03:29:47.920 --> 03:29:48.920
 Very good.

03:29:48.920 --> 03:29:53.920
 Thank you for coming out.

03:29:53.920 --> 03:29:54.920
 Commissioner Cole.

03:29:54.920 --> 03:29:58.400
 I just had a quick question for you.

03:29:58.400 --> 03:30:03.160
 I mean, you're in the battle zone, so if you could guesstimate, I mean, the last two days

03:30:03.160 --> 03:30:06.720
 I've seen two people almost get killed on a bicycle.

03:30:06.720 --> 03:30:09.880
 In a week, how many close calls do you see?

03:30:09.880 --> 03:30:10.880
 Yeah.

03:30:10.880 --> 03:30:20.720
 I was actually, I mean, leaving the Frey Street area where somebody was going so fast they

03:30:20.720 --> 03:30:24.840
 lost control on their car and hit a telephone pole and died.

03:30:24.840 --> 03:30:30.280
 So me and my friend walked up on that.

03:30:30.280 --> 03:30:31.280
 So yeah.

03:30:31.280 --> 03:30:37.520
 It's definitely something that's a problem, like there needs to be, I mean, even the sidewalk

03:30:37.520 --> 03:30:44.880
 right there, I would love to see the sidewalk developed out where even being able to walk,

03:30:44.880 --> 03:30:49.440
 because I have daughters and we get on their bikes and we'll go on the sidewalk and go

03:30:49.440 --> 03:30:53.500
 all the way down to Beth Marie's and J&J's Pizza on the Square.

03:30:53.500 --> 03:30:58.760
 And so just having sidewalks that they could even go where there's a ramp so that when

03:30:58.760 --> 03:31:02.920
 they're going off, I don't have to stop and like pick my daughter's bike up with her on

03:31:02.920 --> 03:31:10.920
 it, but yeah, definitely even in the winter, like I've sat there and just counted and about

03:31:10.920 --> 03:31:18.760
 every three minutes there's a cyclist riding down the bike lane right there.

03:31:18.760 --> 03:31:26.680
 So there are cyclists all year round, but it's definitely, yeah, a high traffic area

03:31:26.680 --> 03:31:30.440
 for, especially when campus lets out, there's a lot of traffic.

03:31:30.440 --> 03:31:31.440
 Thanks.

03:31:31.440 --> 03:31:36.320
 I appreciate it.

03:31:36.320 --> 03:31:39.320
 Next card is Daisy Horta.

03:31:39.320 --> 03:31:45.920
 If you'll state your name and address, please.

03:31:45.920 --> 03:31:51.320
 Hi, my name is Daisy Horta, I live at the 3252 Bent Creek Drive.

03:31:51.320 --> 03:31:52.320
 Hi.

03:31:52.320 --> 03:31:54.880
 Is my time starting?

03:31:54.880 --> 03:31:55.880
 All right.

03:31:55.880 --> 03:31:56.880
 Okay.

03:31:56.880 --> 03:31:57.880
 Hi there.

03:31:57.880 --> 03:32:01.320
 I also came to talk about the bike lane there.

03:32:01.320 --> 03:32:06.560
 I do agree with Kevin, everything that sounds really great as far as a zone, but I mean,

03:32:06.560 --> 03:32:10.640
 as a person who does ride their bicycle, I did have concerns about the particular lane.

03:32:10.640 --> 03:32:14.840
 I think that a shared space is a great idea, but it may be difficult to enforce because

03:32:14.840 --> 03:32:16.160
 it's very high traffic.

03:32:16.160 --> 03:32:21.640
 You do have the pedestrians, so sharing the thick sidewalk on the right-hand side is maybe

03:32:21.640 --> 03:32:24.280
 not the best idea for that reason.

03:32:24.280 --> 03:32:30.600
 A slower speeding limit is also going to be difficult to enforce.

03:32:30.600 --> 03:32:36.000
 As someone earlier pointed out, when you have parking taken away, cars will find their ways

03:32:36.000 --> 03:32:40.760
 around to neighboring neighborhoods where maybe the traffic is less and there are less pedestrians

03:32:40.760 --> 03:32:43.740
 in that area, or at least they're not as congested.

03:32:43.740 --> 03:32:49.480
 Having that specific lane there may be a way to get cars to park somewhere else.

03:32:49.480 --> 03:32:53.560
 There's also that added thing that somebody else already pointed out is when cars open,

03:32:53.560 --> 03:32:55.960
 it's going to be something that people don't really look at.

03:32:55.960 --> 03:32:58.400
 Are there people behind you running bicycles?

03:32:58.400 --> 03:33:02.880
 The lane is also going downhill on Hickory, so there's that added speed, again, with that

03:33:02.880 --> 03:33:08.960
 enforcement of how do we enforce the speed limit, and so I just wanted to point out that

03:33:08.960 --> 03:33:09.960
 concern.

03:33:09.960 --> 03:33:10.960
 Thank you.

03:33:10.960 --> 03:33:11.960
 >> Thank you.

03:33:11.960 --> 03:33:12.960
 And Daisy?

03:33:12.960 --> 03:33:13.960
 >> Do you have questions?

03:33:13.960 --> 03:33:14.960
 >> Well, I have a question.

03:33:14.960 --> 03:33:15.960
 >> Yes.

03:33:15.960 --> 03:33:18.520
 >> Would you be in support or opposition of the-

03:33:18.520 --> 03:33:19.520
 >> I'd be in support.

03:33:19.520 --> 03:33:20.520
 >> Very good.

03:33:20.520 --> 03:33:21.520
 >> Yes.

03:33:21.520 --> 03:33:22.520
 >> Thank you so much.

03:33:22.520 --> 03:33:23.520
 Thanks for speaking.

03:33:23.520 --> 03:33:34.000
 I have Suzanne Rumore, who is speaking in opposition.

03:33:34.000 --> 03:33:44.560
 >> Okay, hi, my name is Suzanne Rumore, and you pronounced it beautifully, it's my new

03:33:44.560 --> 03:33:45.560
 last name.

03:33:45.560 --> 03:33:52.880
 I live at 1700 Crescent Street, and I have been at all of the open houses and public meetings

03:33:52.880 --> 03:33:58.520
 and everything regarding the Oak Gateway area plan, and also things involving the bike lane

03:33:58.520 --> 03:34:00.680
 on West Hickory Street before that.

03:34:00.680 --> 03:34:06.640
 I also want to applaud the steering committee, they've put in a lot of hard work, I really

03:34:06.640 --> 03:34:08.680
 love the plan overall.

03:34:08.680 --> 03:34:14.160
 My big concern is having gone to all of those open houses and public meetings, this is the

03:34:14.160 --> 03:34:19.700
 first time that I've seen that option for the bike infrastructure.

03:34:19.700 --> 03:34:24.600
 So we have not had the opportunity to vet that option, we have not had the opportunity

03:34:24.600 --> 03:34:27.740
 to have any public input on that option.

03:34:27.740 --> 03:34:32.480
 We had lots of options presented to us, but this is the first time we've seen that one,

03:34:32.480 --> 03:34:33.920
 is today.

03:34:33.920 --> 03:34:38.600
 So I have a pretty strong concern of moving forward a recommendation that was basically

03:34:38.600 --> 03:34:42.040
 not presented publicly until today.

03:34:42.040 --> 03:34:45.440
 Ideally what I would like to see is I would like to see the bike, West Hickory Street

03:34:45.440 --> 03:34:49.840
 bike lane actually separated from the Oak Gateway area plan, because I feel like the

03:34:49.840 --> 03:34:54.440
 area plan needs to move forward, I think it looks really good otherwise, but I don't want

03:34:54.440 --> 03:34:58.720
 the bike lane holding it back, but I feel like this bike lane option needs to be separated

03:34:58.720 --> 03:35:02.400
 and considered further, further vetted.

03:35:02.400 --> 03:35:07.680
 One thing I would like to add is there's sort of been some chatter on Facebook, so on the

03:35:07.680 --> 03:35:15.320
 Federal Highway Administration page, though I always say the word wrong, Wooernerf option

03:35:15.320 --> 03:35:20.800
 that was presented, is generally designed for residential streets that have low volume

03:35:20.800 --> 03:35:26.400
 of traffic, which probably doesn't define West Hickory Street, and it's also generally

03:35:26.400 --> 03:35:31.000
 not appropriate where there's a need to provide for non-resident motorists to access services

03:35:31.000 --> 03:35:32.680
 or through streets.

03:35:32.680 --> 03:35:37.640
 So my understanding of West Hickory Street is it's supposed to carry quite a bit of traffic,

03:35:37.640 --> 03:35:43.560
 so even this option may not be the best, but I'm definitely open to talking about it, discussing

03:35:43.560 --> 03:35:47.920
 it, but we haven't had the opportunity to do that yet, and I see there's a lot of residents

03:35:47.920 --> 03:35:52.480
 in Denton who have lived in places where that design exists, so some people who have lived

03:35:52.480 --> 03:35:56.480
 in the Netherlands, we've got people in Denton who have lived there, and they can talk about

03:35:56.480 --> 03:36:00.720
 their experience and do they think that would apply to this area, but we just haven't had

03:36:00.720 --> 03:36:02.360
 the chance to discuss it yet.

03:36:02.360 --> 03:36:07.860
 So I do approve of the overall Gateway Area Plan, but I don't approve of the recommendation

03:36:07.860 --> 03:36:10.960
 for the West Hickory Street bike lane, so I wasn't sure what to write on the comment

03:36:10.960 --> 03:36:11.960
 card.

03:36:11.960 --> 03:36:12.960
 Thank you.

03:36:12.960 --> 03:36:14.760
 We do have a question for you.

03:36:14.760 --> 03:36:15.760
 Commissioner Beck.

03:36:15.760 --> 03:36:16.760
 Thanks, Vice Chair.

03:36:16.760 --> 03:36:20.600
 I think you actually answered it there at the end, so it's just strictly the bike lane

03:36:20.600 --> 03:36:25.680
 itself, pedestrian walkways, you're not concerned about that, you're okay with what's being

03:36:25.680 --> 03:36:33.760
 proposed in the Gateway Plan for that, right, but you want to distinguish the bike path

03:36:33.760 --> 03:36:41.120
 of this vision plan they have from the overall plan, make it a separate deal, is that right?

03:36:41.120 --> 03:36:45.600
 Yeah, I would like the bike lane topic to be separated from this overall plan so it

03:36:45.600 --> 03:36:48.440
 can be discussed independently of the plan.

03:36:48.440 --> 03:36:54.040
 Certainly we should consider the plan in the design options, but 2012 City Council actually

03:36:54.040 --> 03:36:58.960
 approved a bike lane through this stretch, so the recommendation actually goes against

03:36:58.960 --> 03:37:01.800
 a City Council approved bike plan.

03:37:01.800 --> 03:37:05.560
 So that's another consideration and something that needs to be discussed further.

03:37:05.560 --> 03:37:06.560
 Okay.

03:37:06.560 --> 03:37:14.520
 I think too, if I can ask legal again, we're not actually approving a bike plan here, we're

03:37:14.520 --> 03:37:21.120
 just approving this general plan and there will be room I believe down the road to delineate

03:37:21.120 --> 03:37:24.480
 what will and won't be approved as far as bike lanes.

03:37:24.480 --> 03:37:32.280
 Actually there's really no rule for PUB to approve anything, as I understand this.

03:37:32.280 --> 03:37:41.800
 It's posted for a public hearing and P&Z can make a recommendation to City Council as it

03:37:41.800 --> 03:37:51.840
 sees fit, but there's no requirement under the law for P&Z to make a recommendation at

03:37:51.840 --> 03:37:57.440
 all and no consequence of a recommendation either way.

03:37:57.440 --> 03:37:58.440
 Okay.

03:37:58.440 --> 03:38:05.200
 I guess my concern here, because I understand her concern, Suzanne's concern, but I don't

03:38:05.200 --> 03:38:11.000
 want to hold this up with the notion that her consideration isn't going to be considered.

03:38:11.000 --> 03:38:13.040
 It will be, but on down the road.

03:38:13.040 --> 03:38:15.040
 We're not going to negate...

03:38:15.040 --> 03:38:16.040
 Right.

03:38:16.040 --> 03:38:17.040
 Okay.

03:38:17.040 --> 03:38:18.040
 Is that clear as mud?

03:38:18.040 --> 03:38:19.040
 Yeah.

03:38:19.040 --> 03:38:22.880
 As long as the bike lane can be separated further down the road, I would be good with it.

03:38:22.880 --> 03:38:26.320
 Just my understanding is this, I guess you all are forwarding on the recommendation to

03:38:26.320 --> 03:38:30.560
 City Council, but they're talking about it next Tuesday I think, so I'm kind of concerned

03:38:30.560 --> 03:38:34.920
 that it's going to all end up in their lap and have not been separated or further discussed.

03:38:34.920 --> 03:38:41.920
 Well, again, Jerry, but we're not going to make a recommendation about the bike plan

03:38:41.920 --> 03:38:42.920
 itself.

03:38:42.920 --> 03:38:49.420
 If you could recommend to separate it, I don't know if you all can do that, but...

03:38:49.420 --> 03:38:59.200
 It's very confusing the way that is written here, and I think that the plan that's been

03:38:59.200 --> 03:39:07.320
 brought forward does not appear to be and has been explained that it's not a comprehensive

03:39:07.320 --> 03:39:13.480
 plan or comprehensive plan amendment that would ordinarily be within P&Z's charge to

03:39:13.480 --> 03:39:16.320
 make a recommendation to City Council on.

03:39:16.320 --> 03:39:21.540
 It appears to be something beyond that or something more than that and something other

03:39:21.540 --> 03:39:31.760
 than that, so the P&Z is simply allowing the public hearing to take place and it will decide

03:39:31.760 --> 03:39:36.960
 as it sees fit whether to make a recommendation to council or not.

03:39:36.960 --> 03:39:38.360
 Thank you, Susan.

03:39:38.360 --> 03:39:39.360
 Commissioner Prenda?

03:39:39.360 --> 03:39:44.280
 And this is kind of along those lines because I know we started the public conversation

03:39:44.280 --> 03:39:51.120
 with the idea that what we were voting on today was not a recommendation on bike lanes

03:39:51.120 --> 03:39:55.200
 and stuff, but I know a lot of people have a concern about bike lanes.

03:39:55.200 --> 03:40:01.880
 I just wanted to toss out to staff, so knowing that today what we're voting on is not about

03:40:01.880 --> 03:40:06.240
 bike lanes and that bike lanes are actually not part of what we would vote on because

03:40:06.240 --> 03:40:11.060
 it's not a planning and zoning thing, there are a number of concerns about what seems

03:40:11.060 --> 03:40:14.680
 to be written out.

03:40:14.680 --> 03:40:17.400
 What would be the normal process right now?

03:40:17.400 --> 03:40:21.160
 Because I know we're not putting in a final plan to council.

03:40:21.160 --> 03:40:25.600
 For the people who do have concerns about this, what would be their recourse for making

03:40:25.600 --> 03:40:32.120
 sure that their concerns are registered with you before this goes to council?

03:40:32.120 --> 03:40:33.120
 Sure.

03:40:33.120 --> 03:40:34.120
 Appreciate the comment.

03:40:34.120 --> 03:40:41.120
 The way I see it is this actual recommendation is just that, is a recommendation.

03:40:41.120 --> 03:40:48.320
 Ultimately, the design of this area has got to go through a process, right?

03:40:48.320 --> 03:40:56.640
 And if the commission wants to move forward a recommendation, you can put a condition

03:40:56.640 --> 03:41:02.840
 or pull this particular recommendation out and make comments to it that you'll forward

03:41:02.840 --> 03:41:06.920
 to city council, and they will ultimately make a decision on how they want to address it.

03:41:06.920 --> 03:41:13.680
 So it's an opportunity to, like they were saying earlier, maybe recommend the rest,

03:41:13.680 --> 03:41:17.960
 but this particular recommendation that's on the screen that you have in front of you

03:41:17.960 --> 03:41:22.360
 may be something that needs further discussion, and certainly that you can provide that or

03:41:22.360 --> 03:41:26.960
 forward that to city council.

03:41:26.960 --> 03:41:34.360
 I do have one more card here, Garrett Lamour, speaking in opposition.

03:41:34.360 --> 03:41:37.160
 Put your name and address, your time will begin.

03:41:37.160 --> 03:41:43.280
 My name is Garrett Lamour, also at 1700 Crescent, and my card might be mislabeled.

03:41:43.280 --> 03:41:48.920
 Overall, I'm in favor of the plan, there's a lot of great things in there.

03:41:48.920 --> 03:41:57.560
 My main point for speaking tonight is also on the bike lane, and even though this commission

03:41:57.560 --> 03:42:05.400
 is making a recommendation and it's not like legally binding or whatnot, the city council

03:42:05.400 --> 03:42:12.880
 has looked at this bike lane before, and they, I forget what the exact procedure status was,

03:42:12.880 --> 03:42:18.800
 but they kind of tabled it and attached it to the Oak Gateway area plan, just pending

03:42:18.800 --> 03:42:20.160
 the outcome of that.

03:42:20.160 --> 03:42:26.120
 So the recommendation that comes from this, I'd expect it to have a bit of weight in how

03:42:26.120 --> 03:42:30.520
 they view moving forward.

03:42:30.520 --> 03:42:36.800
 So with that, I do have some concerns with how the committees are recommending to not

03:42:36.800 --> 03:42:38.380
 complete the bike lane.

03:42:38.380 --> 03:42:46.360
 As Susie mentioned, the Wooner configuration was not presented at any of the open meetings,

03:42:46.360 --> 03:42:52.200
 the public meetings, open houses, so really just kind of found out about it four hours

03:42:52.200 --> 03:43:01.800
 ago, and so as far as I know, nobody's really seen any designs of what that will actually

03:43:01.800 --> 03:43:02.800
 look like.

03:43:02.800 --> 03:43:09.560
 We had the little mock-up of the crosswalks and some of the other niceties, but none of

03:43:09.560 --> 03:43:14.520
 those really reflected kind of what I found with a Google image search, and so if you

03:43:14.520 --> 03:43:19.880
 go and compare those, they're great spaces when you look those up, but they don't really

03:43:19.880 --> 03:43:26.040
 identify with Hickory and its current configuration, and I couldn't see how that would be implemented

03:43:26.040 --> 03:43:30.600
 without a lot more work and thought on how traffic would be redirected and such.

03:43:30.600 --> 03:43:32.560
 So I think it's a larger project.

03:43:32.560 --> 03:43:39.040
 So anyway, from my point of view, this idea hasn't been openly discussed or vetted, and

03:43:39.040 --> 03:43:43.920
 we have an approved bike plan that calls for a continuous bike lane through that area,

03:43:43.920 --> 03:43:53.560
 and through this plan, several designs from our city engineers were presented for consideration,

03:43:53.560 --> 03:44:00.400
 and up until the meeting today, every indication was that it would recommend a bike lane of

03:44:00.400 --> 03:44:06.120
 some form was the takeaway that I had for most of the meetings and communications.

03:44:06.120 --> 03:44:14.360
 So I would recommend using one of those vetted designs, and basically pursue the feasibility

03:44:14.360 --> 03:44:18.580
 of the Wooner at some other time under some other project.

03:44:18.580 --> 03:44:21.120
 So thank you.

03:44:21.120 --> 03:44:22.120
 Thank you.

03:44:22.120 --> 03:44:23.120
 I don't see any questions.

03:44:23.120 --> 03:44:24.120
 Thank you so much.

03:44:24.120 --> 03:44:25.120
 Thank you very much.

03:44:25.120 --> 03:44:32.120
 I don't have any other cards, but it is a public hearing, so anyone is welcome to speak.

03:44:32.120 --> 03:44:37.160
 Jennifer's on her way down.

03:44:37.160 --> 03:44:48.800
 Hey, Jennifer Lane, 1526 Willowwood Street, Denton, and I have ridden that area more in

03:44:48.800 --> 03:44:53.840
 the past than I do these days, but I've ridden it a lot, and two things come to mind.

03:44:53.840 --> 03:44:59.040
 One, with reference to the bike lane, one is that there's a lane there now.

03:44:59.040 --> 03:45:04.160
 It's kind of almost erased, and the road has been torn up so much that it seems to be almost

03:45:04.160 --> 03:45:09.080
 as if it weren't there, but it is in the memory of Denton that there's a bike lane already

03:45:09.080 --> 03:45:16.340
 on Hickory, and so to refresh it and keep it seems to be part of the historical aspect

03:45:16.340 --> 03:45:17.960
 of the district.

03:45:17.960 --> 03:45:20.680
 It's one of the few that's been here a long time.

03:45:20.680 --> 03:45:24.320
 The new ones that are coming in are really welcome and really nice, but that one's been

03:45:24.320 --> 03:45:25.920
 there for a long time.

03:45:25.920 --> 03:45:29.360
 I'm not exactly sure if the city did it, or if people just painted it, or what's going

03:45:29.360 --> 03:45:32.600
 on with that bike lane, but there always was a little figure of a cyclist, and you sort

03:45:32.600 --> 03:45:37.120
 of knew at least at one point to get in it.

03:45:37.120 --> 03:45:43.880
 The other thing is that it seems to me that the plan in general is quite nice, perfect

03:45:43.880 --> 03:45:53.920
 in many ways, and that cyclists will always use common sense, they'll always do what is

03:45:53.920 --> 03:45:59.440
 safest as a cyclist, always that choice.

03:45:59.440 --> 03:46:03.360
 So there has to be room for discretion for cyclists.

03:46:03.360 --> 03:46:09.720
 For example, using the Idaho laws, for example, treating traffic lights as stops, and treating

03:46:09.720 --> 03:46:14.120
 stops as yields allows cyclists, when there's nothing else happening, to sort of get out

03:46:14.120 --> 03:46:19.160
 of the way, and then when the big things need to move fast, they're not competing with small

03:46:19.160 --> 03:46:21.840
 vulnerable things.

03:46:21.840 --> 03:46:29.880
 Treating it as a yield, drivers maybe need to realize that actually stopping the bicycle

03:46:29.880 --> 03:46:34.240
 and getting off of the seat and standing is as if every car when it pulled up to a stop

03:46:34.240 --> 03:46:36.920
 sign had to open the door and get out.

03:46:36.920 --> 03:46:41.880
 That would be sort of equivalency in terms of the vulnerability created.

03:46:41.880 --> 03:46:46.400
 And yet at the same time, it's quite dangerous to ride on sidewalks, which cyclists will

03:46:46.400 --> 03:46:51.240
 often do when they feel unsafe in the street, and the reason that it's dangerous is because

03:46:51.240 --> 03:46:54.200
 then when they get to the intersections, the cars haven't seen them.

03:46:54.200 --> 03:46:57.920
 They're sort of hidden by bushes and shrubs and houses and things, and then all of a sudden

03:46:57.920 --> 03:46:58.920
 a cyclist appears.

03:46:58.920 --> 03:47:03.640
 We've had a number of city accidents from precisely that.

03:47:03.640 --> 03:47:10.400
 So maybe even in the center of town, it's part of this plan, some of the bigger picture

03:47:10.400 --> 03:47:16.200
 of how cyclists should function together with cars, together with pedestrians, might require

03:47:16.200 --> 03:47:22.000
 some looking -- that's it.

03:47:22.000 --> 03:47:23.360
 Safety first.

03:47:23.360 --> 03:47:24.360
 Thanks.

03:47:24.360 --> 03:47:27.240
 >> Thank you, Trevor.

03:47:27.240 --> 03:47:30.720
 Anyone else wanting to speak on this item?

03:47:30.720 --> 03:47:46.120
 >> I can be corrected if I'm mistaken in this regard, but I believe a recommendation is

03:47:46.120 --> 03:47:53.320
 to complete a contiguous bike lane, but if there was the opportunity to make this distinct

03:47:53.320 --> 03:47:58.400
 area even more safe through order of design to go that route.

03:47:58.400 --> 03:48:05.680
 But I believe most everyone in the subcommittee is on board with completing that bike lane.

03:48:05.680 --> 03:48:09.520
 >> Thank you for the clarification.

03:48:09.520 --> 03:48:14.400
 Anyone else wishing to speak on this item?

03:48:14.400 --> 03:48:22.520
 Seeing none, I will close the public hearing and entertain discussion or a motion.

03:48:22.520 --> 03:48:23.520
 Commissioner Smith.

03:48:23.520 --> 03:48:28.400
 >> I'm going to motion for approval on the recommendation to City Council for this with

03:48:28.400 --> 03:48:36.880
 no amendments in regards to the bike lanes, not the -- that I feel that bike lanes are

03:48:36.880 --> 03:48:43.800
 important or that I have no care for the Hickory bike lane or anything like that, but rather

03:48:43.800 --> 03:48:50.320
 that the recommendation we're making tonight is just that it is a recommendation to the

03:48:50.320 --> 03:48:54.920
 City Council to give direction for how this area should be treated, and that has been

03:48:54.920 --> 03:49:00.240
 formed by a committee of the residents of the area, and that future projects, the implementation

03:49:00.240 --> 03:49:06.040
 of those projects and how those projects look is not within the scope of what we are discussing

03:49:06.040 --> 03:49:11.760
 tonight or what the recommendation is being made to City Council, and so a continuous

03:49:11.760 --> 03:49:18.680
 bike lane through Hickory, whether the subcommittee talked about it or not, honestly, those are

03:49:18.680 --> 03:49:23.760
 all just ideas and options that can happen in the future, and so the fact that they're

03:49:23.760 --> 03:49:29.040
 not concrete details that are part of a plan that if we approve it tonight and that City

03:49:29.040 --> 03:49:33.480
 Council approves it next Tuesday means that that's exactly how things have to be done.

03:49:33.480 --> 03:49:34.480
 That's not what we're voting on.

03:49:34.480 --> 03:49:35.840
 That's not what we're talking about.

03:49:35.840 --> 03:49:43.800
 So I do want to vote an approval for this recommendation.

03:49:43.800 --> 03:49:44.800
 Commissioner Cole.

03:49:44.800 --> 03:49:48.300
 I'd like to second that.

03:49:48.300 --> 03:49:53.480
 We have a motion on the floor to approve and a second.

03:49:53.480 --> 03:49:54.480
 Commissioner Beck.

03:49:54.480 --> 03:49:55.480
 Thank you, Vice Chair.

03:49:55.480 --> 03:49:58.480
 I'm not going to have a hard time agreeing with this.

03:49:58.480 --> 03:50:05.600
 I did have a few concerns I wanted to address to some of the members, if I may, and Patrice

03:50:05.600 --> 03:50:11.200
 maybe if you could come forward and answer this, I think you'd be better served.

03:50:11.200 --> 03:50:13.280
 We were talking about collegiate housing.

03:50:13.280 --> 03:50:16.200
 I think we're talking about SROs, and it is an issue.

03:50:16.200 --> 03:50:17.200
 It's a concern.

03:50:17.200 --> 03:50:21.800
 It's something that we don't want to see over in sub area one.

03:50:21.800 --> 03:50:27.000
 I've always kind of supported the notion that sub area or the cement city area would be

03:50:27.000 --> 03:50:28.000
 a liking place.

03:50:28.000 --> 03:50:32.620
 There'd have to be some zone changes, and that's something down the road, but as a member

03:50:32.620 --> 03:50:43.180
 of the Denton Code Rewrite Subcommittee, as Commissioner Ellis is too, what would you

03:50:43.180 --> 03:50:46.680
 say to this subcommittee about SROs?

03:50:46.680 --> 03:50:52.680
 If you had something to offer the subcommittee, is this something that there's a place for

03:50:52.680 --> 03:50:58.800
 them in Denton, or is this something we should probably stay away from?

03:50:58.800 --> 03:51:08.120
 I would say that, first of all, the SRO business model as we look at it today was subsumed

03:51:08.120 --> 03:51:15.280
 into multifamily when they first came into Denton maybe 15 years ago, because we didn't

03:51:15.280 --> 03:51:17.880
 have ... It wasn't on our radar.

03:51:17.880 --> 03:51:25.760
 We didn't think about that business model, ergo that floor plan, as being something that

03:51:25.760 --> 03:51:28.960
 would be in Denton's landscape.

03:51:28.960 --> 03:51:35.800
 When they were first proposed, when projects came forward, then the default was of course,

03:51:35.800 --> 03:51:42.920
 "Oh, that is multifamily," because we didn't have another way to talk about them.

03:51:42.920 --> 03:51:50.940
 With more of them coming online, more of them being built, and there are problems that are

03:51:50.940 --> 03:51:55.280
 in-house with the SROs.

03:51:55.280 --> 03:52:01.800
 There is ... You can ask the Denton PD, I've read things in the Denton paper, about the

03:52:01.800 --> 03:52:09.360
 crime statistics within the buildings are higher than in, for instance, dormitories

03:52:09.360 --> 03:52:15.600
 or in multifamily, because the students don't necessarily know each other going into rental

03:52:15.600 --> 03:52:16.600
 contracts.

03:52:16.600 --> 03:52:23.160
 There's a whole raft of problems that kind of fly under the radar, because they are problems

03:52:23.160 --> 03:52:30.920
 that are happening with students, and students might not report everything.

03:52:30.920 --> 03:52:34.480
 We just kind of defaulted into multifamily.

03:52:34.480 --> 03:52:40.280
 Of course, what we're learning is one of the problems is that, again, like I said earlier,

03:52:40.280 --> 03:52:49.960
 the development and the floor plan is fixed for that use into the lifespan of that building.

03:52:49.960 --> 03:52:51.780
 A family can't live there.

03:52:51.780 --> 03:52:57.600
 You may have some choice, real estate, that a family may be interested in living in a

03:52:57.600 --> 03:52:58.600
 neighborhood.

03:52:58.600 --> 03:53:03.720
 Sub-area one is sent students to the IB schools in Denton.

03:53:03.720 --> 03:53:10.240
 Newton Razor Elementary, Calhoun Middle, and Denton High are all IB schools.

03:53:10.240 --> 03:53:14.880
 You have to live in that area in order to go to the schools.

03:53:14.880 --> 03:53:17.020
 The transfer list is huge.

03:53:17.020 --> 03:53:21.560
 The number of transfers that, for instance, Newton Razor takes is very small.

03:53:21.560 --> 03:53:28.880
 There may be families interested in living in that area that if we use truly multifamily

03:53:28.880 --> 03:53:34.600
 in sub-area one, we could accommodate more families, because none of us said no, keep

03:53:34.600 --> 03:53:37.920
 all multifamily out of sub-area one.

03:53:37.920 --> 03:53:45.560
 With a collegiate housing designation, that could be something then that when you're approving,

03:53:45.560 --> 03:53:52.120
 in planning and zoning, city council is approving a project, you know exactly what's coming

03:53:52.120 --> 03:53:53.120
 in.

03:53:53.120 --> 03:53:55.600
 You say, "Okay, this is collegiate housing.

03:53:55.600 --> 03:53:58.840
 We have designations, areas where it is appropriate.

03:53:58.840 --> 03:54:05.280
 We discussed where some of those areas would be," and then the transparency is built in

03:54:05.280 --> 03:54:13.720
 to that particular zoning designation that will accommodate that particular use.

03:54:13.720 --> 03:54:22.000
 As it is, you can come forward with a project for a multifamily zoning designation, but

03:54:22.000 --> 03:54:28.880
 neighborhoods might not know what's coming your way until it's in the pipeline, as long

03:54:28.880 --> 03:54:35.760
 as nothing has to have an ADP or an SUP or any type of additional overlay to it.

03:54:35.760 --> 03:54:36.760
 Okay.

03:54:36.760 --> 03:54:37.760
 Well, that's good.

03:54:37.760 --> 03:54:39.240
 I appreciate that.

03:54:39.240 --> 03:54:45.920
 Now, to the point that I believe either Commissioner Puneet or Commissioner Smith made about how

03:54:45.920 --> 03:54:50.640
 this would impact low-income families over there, if we start building this, if we're

03:54:50.640 --> 03:54:56.200
 tearing down older apartment complexes and building that, then we're raising costs.

03:54:56.200 --> 03:55:03.960
 That would be a negative result of putting SROs over there, so how would you respond

03:55:03.960 --> 03:55:04.960
 to that?

03:55:04.960 --> 03:55:07.800
 I don't have a good answer for that.

03:55:07.800 --> 03:55:15.080
 There is a lifespan, however, to all buildings, and we cannot guarantee at this moment that

03:55:15.080 --> 03:55:22.200
 even as some of those genuinely multifamily buildings that are housing families, we cannot

03:55:22.200 --> 03:55:31.520
 guarantee that when the building runs its lifespan, that it will not be changed to collegiate

03:55:31.520 --> 03:55:35.120
 housing and SRO even at this moment.

03:55:35.120 --> 03:55:36.120
 We can't change that.

03:55:36.120 --> 03:55:38.120
 We can't do anything about that now.

03:55:38.120 --> 03:55:39.120
 That's a good point.

03:55:39.120 --> 03:55:46.080
 In that area, really, housing a lot of multifamily units now anyway would be, it would be less

03:55:46.080 --> 03:55:52.240
 threatening, I guess, than if we were to put it over in a single-family residential area.

03:55:52.240 --> 03:55:53.240
 Right.

03:55:53.240 --> 03:55:54.240
 Okay.

03:55:54.240 --> 03:55:59.080
 Then I think I have one question for ... Thank you, Patrice, by the way.

03:55:59.080 --> 03:56:06.280
 Christopher Walker, I believe, you were the one that addressed the parking thing.

03:56:06.280 --> 03:56:08.480
 Benefit district, yes.

03:56:08.480 --> 03:56:12.800
 I guess my question on that was what kind of authority would a private force that you're

03:56:12.800 --> 03:56:20.120
 talking about that monitors the parking with fees or what, how would they compel adherence

03:56:20.120 --> 03:56:25.800
 if it's not the police force, if it's not the police, how's a private force going to

03:56:25.800 --> 03:56:26.800
 compel adherence?

03:56:26.800 --> 03:56:32.800
 The recognition is not exactly a private force, but a public-private joint partnership force.

03:56:32.800 --> 03:56:33.800
 Okay.

03:56:33.800 --> 03:56:34.800
 Elaborate on that a little bit.

03:56:34.800 --> 03:56:41.120
 Public-private entities and agencies are a common thing across the country and in different

03:56:41.120 --> 03:56:49.280
 cities and whatnot in which it is governed by city as an agency, but has continued extenuating

03:56:49.280 --> 03:56:58.160
 governance through boards and commissions to this proposal, a board of similar to our

03:56:58.160 --> 03:57:04.440
 body that the subcommittee is of the relevant stakeholders in this impacted area.

03:57:04.440 --> 03:57:05.440
 Okay.

03:57:05.440 --> 03:57:11.600
 It would actually be then police that would be enforcing the violation?

03:57:11.600 --> 03:57:15.280
 Part of the recommendation of this is evaluating whether that would be more efficient for either

03:57:15.280 --> 03:57:23.880
 police or enforcement staff from that agency to be the enforcement staff.

03:57:23.880 --> 03:57:32.480
 You don't see any problem with people, you're not the police force, sorry, get out of here.

03:57:32.480 --> 03:57:36.120
 One of the things that we did discuss and would need to be worked through is how is

03:57:36.120 --> 03:57:38.600
 that fine then taken, how does that go?

03:57:38.600 --> 03:57:39.600
 Does that go to municipal court?

03:57:39.600 --> 03:57:43.920
 How does the money from that work back out of the court itself?

03:57:43.920 --> 03:57:44.920
 Okay.

03:57:44.920 --> 03:57:48.560
 Does that go into the agency to support the agency's endeavors, but no, it would, the

03:57:48.560 --> 03:57:56.320
 fine and fee itself, the penalty, the punitive act of going against what the parking benefit

03:57:56.320 --> 03:58:01.280
 district would establish would be fines and fees similar to any other fee that would end

03:58:01.280 --> 03:58:02.280
 up in municipal court.

03:58:02.280 --> 03:58:04.760
 And it would be dealt with in the legal community?

03:58:04.760 --> 03:58:05.760
 Yes.

03:58:05.760 --> 03:58:06.760
 Okay.

03:58:06.760 --> 03:58:07.760
 Great.

03:58:07.760 --> 03:58:08.760
 Thank you.

03:58:08.760 --> 03:58:10.760
 That's all I've got.

03:58:10.760 --> 03:58:11.760
 Okay.

03:58:11.760 --> 03:58:14.000
 I've just got a couple of comments.

03:58:14.000 --> 03:58:19.960
 I think the committee has done a great job and put together some really thorough information.

03:58:19.960 --> 03:58:22.960
 I think you missed density in this discussion.

03:58:22.960 --> 03:58:28.600
 I don't think we've marked any areas as being something that could grow more densely and

03:58:28.600 --> 03:58:30.280
 I think it's needed in that area.

03:58:30.280 --> 03:58:34.200
 I would like to have seen that in this plan.

03:58:34.200 --> 03:58:38.440
 Overall, I think it's well done.

03:58:38.440 --> 03:58:44.680
 One issue I'm having is the way we've posted it and I'm still not sure I have clarification

03:58:44.680 --> 03:58:48.360
 that I'm comfortable with from legal.

03:58:48.360 --> 03:58:52.560
 There was a lot of confusion in work session which made us late to this meeting, making

03:58:52.560 --> 03:58:56.520
 me uncomfortable to move this forward at this time.

03:58:56.520 --> 03:59:02.120
 So I guess I will defer once again to you, Mr. Drake, and see if you can enlighten me

03:59:02.120 --> 03:59:03.120
 a little bit.

03:59:03.120 --> 03:59:04.120
 I'll try my best.

03:59:04.120 --> 03:59:09.520
 Just stepping through the way that it's worded, hold a public hearing, we did do that.

03:59:09.520 --> 03:59:15.360
 There's no particular requirement for notice the way there is with a zoning case, with

03:59:15.360 --> 03:59:21.400
 a code amendment or what have you, notifying people within 200 feet, any of that stuff.

03:59:21.400 --> 03:59:26.240
 But nevertheless, we did post the meeting properly.

03:59:26.240 --> 03:59:32.580
 There was a hearing that was afforded to citizens and we did follow the hearing procedures.

03:59:32.580 --> 03:59:40.480
 We're making a recommendation to the city council regarding an ordinance.

03:59:40.480 --> 03:59:46.700
 The way that it's posted, the PMZ could always do less than what's posted, but can never

03:59:46.700 --> 03:59:48.160
 do more.

03:59:48.160 --> 03:59:54.960
 And so I think that what we talked about was making a recommendation, it could be a recommendation

03:59:54.960 --> 03:59:59.320
 in favor of the plan, it could be a recommendation generally opposed to the plan, it could be

03:59:59.320 --> 04:00:02.200
 no recommendation at all.

04:00:02.200 --> 04:00:07.400
 What you're bound to do is to consider making a recommendation and maybe you will, maybe

04:00:07.400 --> 04:00:08.400
 you won't.

04:00:08.400 --> 04:00:13.780
 And as far as regarding an ordinance, to accept the vision's goals and recommendations, I

04:00:13.780 --> 04:00:18.640
 don't think that an ordinance will ultimately be the appropriate vehicle.

04:00:18.640 --> 04:00:21.800
 I'll just go ahead and share that with you now.

04:00:21.800 --> 04:00:27.040
 I think that it will likely be a resolution of the city council, it won't be an ordinance

04:00:27.040 --> 04:00:32.400
 because there won't be a direct authorization to expend budgeted funds, there won't be

04:00:32.400 --> 04:00:43.800
 a direct punitive law that's imposed upon the citizens, it will essentially be a vote.

04:00:43.800 --> 04:00:50.000
 And a vote stated another way is a resolution, it's just the name of it.

04:00:50.000 --> 04:00:55.000
 Accepting the vision's goals, recommendations, and implementation strategy, maybe they will,

04:00:55.000 --> 04:01:01.840
 maybe they won't, proposed in the Oak Gateway area plan, there are a lot of ideas in there,

04:01:01.840 --> 04:01:07.280
 a lot of the ideas that are proposed are not matters that are ordinarily put forward to

04:01:07.280 --> 04:01:12.360
 P&Z and within the charge of the Planning and Zoning Commission.

04:01:12.360 --> 04:01:19.240
 For example, bike lanes on existing public streets, those are traffic issues and those

04:01:19.240 --> 04:01:26.480
 are matters within the council's legislative prerogative, speed limits, traffic calming,

04:01:26.480 --> 04:01:31.440
 some of the other things that we heard about tonight, parking enforcement, the methodology

04:01:31.440 --> 04:01:36.000
 of parking enforcement, who will enforce traffic laws, who will enforce parking laws, how will

04:01:36.000 --> 04:01:39.300
 fines be collected, how will they be used?

04:01:39.300 --> 04:01:45.120
 Those are all matters that are within the city council's legislative prerogative.

04:01:45.120 --> 04:01:50.040
 Perhaps some of these recommendations, some of these visions, some of these goals will

04:01:50.040 --> 04:01:58.800
 bear upon the city council's future actions or decisions, but perhaps not.

04:01:58.800 --> 04:02:06.560
 It has no binding impact upon them, they're not forced to do this, but I think that there

04:02:06.560 --> 04:02:11.880
 are a number of very, very interesting ideas that have been put forward for consideration

04:02:11.880 --> 04:02:20.000
 that I'm sure the council will love to hear and love to consider as appropriate, but it

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 won't be anything that's going to be, it's not going to force their decision one way

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 or another as far as how P&Z makes a recommendation, if at all.

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 Okay, so let me clarify you where the word I'm stuck on is ordinance.

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 So the motion as given right now by Commissioner Smith is, that's what we're recommending,

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 that they create an ordinance to accept this?

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 Yes, and you could choose to recommend that they create a resolution instead.

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 You could recommend not to create a resolution, you could recommend that they merely consider

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 the ideas for whatever they think is appropriate.

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 Commissioner Pernado.

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 To what Legalist just suggested, I guess to Commissioner Smith, would you be amenable

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 to changing the motion to a recommendation regarding a resolution recommending the vision's

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 goals?

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 As long as it's okay for us to change that, it wasn't posted as a resolution, it was

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 posted as an ordinance, but as long as it's saying that's fine, then I'd be amenable

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 to that amendment.

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 I think it would be fine as far, like I said, the P&Z could always do less than what's

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 posted, and after all, the posting is to consider making a recommendation.

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 That includes the possibility that you would consider not making a recommendation.

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 Yes, I'd be amenable to make an amendment to calling it a resolution rather than an

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 ordinance.

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 So is that a friendly amendment to the motion?

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 That's up to the mover to accept a friendly amendment or not.

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 I accept a friendly amendment.

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 Commissioner Cole.

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 I second that.

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 I have a question for Ron.

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 Given the way that this was posted, what are you wanting to see from City Council?

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 From City Council or from the Commission?

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 From the Council, we would like to see a resolution accepting the recommendations for this area

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 plan.

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 That's for us to move to Council.

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 What do you want to see from Council, a resolution or an ordinance?

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 A resolution.

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 Okay.

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 Yes.

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 Very good.

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 Thank you.

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 Thank you.

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 Okay.

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 Is there any further discussion?

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 Commissioner Cole.

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 I just wanted to thank you guys for all your hard work.

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 This is volunteerism.

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 You're giving your time to the city, and I sure do appreciate it.

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 It's been great getting to know you guys better.

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 Patrice, you're a heck of a leader, and you steered us true and away from the rocks.

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 We kind of got off kilter a couple of times, but thank you.

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 You fostered an environment of open discussion, and everybody felt free to talk and give their

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 ideas.

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 Thank all you guys for participating.

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 Any further discussion?

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 Okay.

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 We will call for a vote on the board.

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 Motion will carry 6-0.

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 That will move us to our matrix.

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 Does anybody have anything for our matrix?

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 Richard, do you have anything?

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 Just wanted to note that the last item provided for the neighborhood meetings and projects,

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 we went ahead and just moved that up tonight once the other items started falling off.

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 So that one will just take off the list.

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 Okay.

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 And then concluding items.

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 Okay.

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 I've just got one to the fellow commissioners.

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 If you have any input with regard to the tree and landscape discussion today, if you could

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 provide that to Richard, you can send comments to him via email or to Haley so we can keep

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 that moving along.

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 I know we postponed it to a date uncertain today, but hopefully that will come back and

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 we can get that rolling.

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 So you've got the draft in several of these agendas.

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 So I would recommend going through it and then making your comments to him if you have

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 any so we can keep it rolling.

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 Okay.

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 With that, I'll just say since Ron is coming up to the podium.

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 I just want to advise or update the commission on the special called meeting.

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 I think there was some question on the special called meeting regarding the DDC update.

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 It was supposed to be scheduled, obviously, next week, but that is not the case.

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 It's actually going to be more in February, February the 13th is what we're looking at.

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 I know it's sometimes away, but I just want to make sure that the commission knew that

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 the special called meeting is not scheduled for next week and that it will be in February

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 of next year.

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 Wonderful.

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 Okay.

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 And since it's our last meeting of the year, happy holidays to you all.

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 And thank you all for your hard work and hope everyone enjoys time with family and friends

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 and thanks for the time given to help the city move forward in a better direction.

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 So thanks to those watching and online.

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 Happy holidays.

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 We'll see you next year.

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 I will close our meeting at 9, 10 p.m.