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 Good afternoon and welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission meeting for

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 Wednesday December 12, 2018.

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 This is our work session and I will call us to order with a quorum present at 4.35 p.m.

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 First item on the agenda is clarification of agenda items, so I will defer to Richard

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 if we have changes with that.

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 Just one change, item D, the CDP Bravo, they've actually withdrawn their application so that

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 item will not be heard.

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 So really under public hearings, we just have the tree code and then the Oak Gateway plan.

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 So we can stay in order as we have it.

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 Let's go to minutes.

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 Discussion on minutes?

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 November 14th?

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 November 28th, I did have an issue and I guess Jerry, I need to defer to you on that.

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 So in the minutes, it talks about the public hearing being left open for the discussion

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 item on the tree code, but nothing is mentioned in the minutes about the public hearing being

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 open.

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 So I don't know.

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 You know, if it wasn't ever open, then, you know, that -- there was nothing to close.

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 And so we would have to have, you know, a public hearing at another time, as opposed

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 to for a public hearing tonight.

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 It is.

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 And there's no requirement to have two public hearings.

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 We could go forward with that if that's the way that's pursued.

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 So shall we open the public hearing tonight, then, when we do it?

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 Is that what you're planning on doing?

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 So we'll open the public hearing tonight.

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 Do we need to revise anything in the minutes?

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 I think that what you would -- tell me again what it says about open.

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 It lists the agenda item in the minutes.

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 And in there, it says the chair did not close the public hearing.

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 However, the chair never opened the public hearing, apparently.

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 Well, that sounds like it's accurate.

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 Because he never closed.

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 Never closed something that wasn't open anyway.

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 If it says that the hearing was never open, that's an accurate reflection of the events,

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 is it not?

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 Well, the minutes don't state that the public hearing was ever open.

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 It just says he didn't close the public hearing.

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 Can we eliminate that sentence?

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 Then we'll vote on those separate anyway, I believe.

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 And so then we can make a motion that removes that sentence in there.

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 How about our final plat for Robeson, item B?

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 Then that moves us right on to public hearings, where item A has been postponed until January

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 Item B.

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 Do we want to go back through work session, or?

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 What do you all think?

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 That's our tree code discussion, landscape discussion.

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 Do we need to bring up discussion here?

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 I would vote no.

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 I think we heard a lot last week, and we're going to hear the whole thing tonight, along

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 with the public, which would be a good time, then, to probe.

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 So I would vote not no on a work session hearing on it.

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 No, water and wastewater design.

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 Those are our work session items, which we'll get to after clarifying the agenda.

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 So we have something that can fill the time between here and 630, right?

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 Talking about filling in time, this will fill up the time.

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 Madam Chair, members of the commission, I'm excited to present to you all a presentation

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 on the Oak Gateway area plan, something that the Oak Gateway Steering Committee has been

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 working on for over a year or plus.

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 So this is a great time to just show what we've done, and hopefully we get a recommendation,

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 and if you have any questions, please do so.

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 So just as for the agenda on the presentation, really just discuss the purpose, a little

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 bit of history about the area, background about how we got to the small area plan planning,

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 and then go into the steering committee that was created, talk about some of the meetings

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 that they've held, all the public outreach efforts that was done in concert with the

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 public meetings, and then really just dive into the draft vision recommendation goals

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 and the implementation strategy.

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 So the purpose of this small area plan is really kind of born out of the comprehensive

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 In the DEN Plan 2030, there's the vision statement.

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 Within that vision statement, in 2030, we see the city as having a sense of community

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 where shared values, where we welcome arrivals, and celebrating growing diversity.

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 We also see establishing neighborhoods where revitalization and compatibility is a big

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 part of it, and you'll see that as part of the recommendation, revitalizing the area,

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 and then looking at any new development that is compatible with developments in the area

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 as well.

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 The DEN Plan 2030 also has a certain number of goals and actions.

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 I pulled this off our community character element, where it talks about the creation of small

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 area plans to preserve and to enhance the character of a district or areas.

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 Also looking at the neighborhood university compatibility area, and that is the area shown

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 here.

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 This is our land use map of the subject area plan, where the lighter blue is the neighborhood

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 compatibility area.

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 The dark blue is the University of North Texas.

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 You have low residential future land use to the north.

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 You've got some commercial along I-35, and some community mix use along Fort Worth and

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 I'm just going to show you where those are related to the Oak Gateway Area Plan, but

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 again, Action 4-12-2, create a neighborhood university compatibility area, small area

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 plans.

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 That's really the direction that we've used in moving forward with this area plan.

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 I think you all know this area.

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 This is the square, the courthouse shown here.

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 This was done, the rendering back in 1883, a pretty neat illustration.

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 What this illustrates is that to the west of downtown, you see that there's really nothing

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 And as the city grew, it grew everywhere, but mainly to the west as part of the university,

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 which is now University of North Texas, prior to that it was called North Normal College.

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 Texas Normal College and Teacher Training Institute was what was established back in

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 What this shows here, the 1950 aerial, which is kind of cool to look at as well, is my

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 And then the university by 1950 has already developed a number of buildings.

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 This is what we often refer to as Cement City.

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 Not fully built, apartments weren't there yet.

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 But by 1960, you start to see more and more development towards west.

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 I-35 doesn't show up until 1957.

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 So the area as it grew really didn't have any impediments until the highway came in.

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 But again, that came in, and let me just go one more slide over.

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 That came in around 1957, and you see that it divided the area to the north is UNT, and

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 then obviously to the south is some undeveloped area and the Deenia area as well.

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 1972 aerial shows I-35W coming in, so things were coming forward.

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 I did skip this slide here.

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 I just wanted to add this slide to kind of give, again, the context of the area.

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 The campus was served, and this area was served by a trolley system.

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 I don't know if everybody knew that.

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 It started from the train depot where the train station is currently, made its way towards

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 the downtown on Hickory, went up Elm, and then west on Oak Street.

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 And this photo, the top photo that is, shows the trolley traveling on Oak Street.

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 on Hickory again, and then Avenue C is where it heads south, and it heads south to south

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 of the freeway, but the freeway wasn't there before, to a place, a park, Highland Park

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 This area was served by a trolley system, and of course the university was one major

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 pull for that system.

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 Some of you probably are familiar with this one.

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 It was off of Hickory Street, between Hickory and Oak.

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 The proposed development ultimately did not get approved.

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 wasn't heading in their direction.

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 They withdrew their application, so this project never went forward.

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 But through that process, they heard from the citizens and heard some of the concerns,

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 and the concerns were traffic, parking, compatibility with the area, noise, and safety.

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 We looked at the small area plan, the Fry Street small area plan, and that area is shown

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 here in red, a very small portion compared to the overall area plan.

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 The Oak gateway area plan is the larger dark area, which is delineated by this dark black

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 And really, the reason why we went this large, I know there's been some discussion, well,

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 land use plan identified these neighborhood compatibility, neighborhood university compatibility

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 area that does not just stay, not just in this area, but also to the west and also to

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 and we also saw it to the south, so it made sense to expand that area.

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 so we included that in our study area, our planning study area, so north of the historic

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 districts were areas of concern.

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 And again, we wanted to look at ways to be proactive, and so potential overlay, special

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 purpose overlay districts, we wanted to make sure that we knew where they were, we should

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 propose them, and so this area served that purpose.

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 We also know that UNT is growing.

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 We know that in 2018, they're around 39,000, they're projected to grow up to 44,000, and

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 by 2030, that's 5,000 more students in the next 11 years.

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 So the small area plan update was the result.

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 Council directed staff back in January of 2016 to start looking at how we can be proactive

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 and identify an area and look at where we can be looking at more area plans or overlay

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 On May 2017, there was a big gap there between January 2016 and May 2017.

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 There was a lot of going back and forth with City Council.

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 There was a lot of trying to understand what needed to be done.

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 Ultimately, Council directed staff to go forward with an area plan.

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 The Oak Gateway area plan was set forward in September of 2017, later that year, and

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 then November, we had our first committee meeting with the steering committee, and this

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 was our first meeting held at a church in the area plan.

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 We started out with 24 members, a fairly large number.

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 You see the representation or the stakes that each one held.

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 They were residents, they were bicyclists, they were business owners, property owners,

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 folks that represented UNT, so we had a wide representation.

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 Currently, our chair is Patrice Lik, who will be here during the public hearing and be making

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 some of the presentation, as well as Kim McGimmon, who is our vice chair, and they currently

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 Throughout the process, we just didn't have enough folks attend out of the 24, and honestly,

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 it was something that we needed to ensure that we had quorum.

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 We ultimately went back to City Council, and that number was reduced to 17, so these folks

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 that are listed here are the 17 members currently that serve on this steering committee.

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 Throughout the year, a year and four months, however, was we had over 20 meetings.

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 We met at the Development Services Center on an almost weekly basis, give or take.

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 So we started the process, learned about what the issues, confirmed those issues, and then

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 that shows who was there.

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 that when we made our recommendations.

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 In November of this year, not too long ago, just a month ago, we held a public open house,

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 We confirmed a lot of the recommendations.

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 We heard some comments.

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 For the most part, they were mostly in favor of all recommendations.

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 There was nothing very significantly different, and at that meeting, we had over 40 people

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 Okay, so the area plan is a very large area, and to the credit to the committee, we made

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 sure that, well, they made sure that we wanted to identify certain areas, and those are shown

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 here in three sub-areas.

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 We have the sub-area one, which is north of Hickory Street, sub-area two is west of the

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 campus or UNT, and we also have sub-area three, which is the area to the east and to the south.

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 Each of these areas has a vision statement, and the vision statement for sub-area one

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 is an area that has a stable, walkable neighborhood in which to live, work, and play, a place

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 in which the area's historic character is celebrated.

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 We know that there's two historic districts in this area.

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 We have the West Oak Historic District, and we also have the Oak Hickory Historic District.

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 It's celebrated and preserved while allowing opportunities for, again, revitalization that

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 is contextually compatible in use, scale, and design.

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 Sub-area two is a little bit different, different from sub-area one, sub-area two is an area

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 that has housing that is affordable for low to moderate income families with livable neighborhoods,

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 and that's something that the committee would like to see continued.

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 That includes improved community services, multimodal infrastructure, more green, quality

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 green spaces, and just to encourage community cohesiveness.

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 So that was the vision, or is the vision proposed for the area two.

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 Area three, again, a little bit different from sub-area two and one.

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 It's an area that preserves the revitalization, or revitalizes the mixed-use neighborhood

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 for families and students that preserves and builds upon the existing housing options.

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 There's a number of different housing options there, and we'd like to see that continue,

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 and that incorporates all the other things that we saw in others, the open spaces, the

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 intermodal infrastructure that we saw in sub-area two.

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 And then we had a vision for the entire area plan, because those were primarily those sub-areas.

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 The area plan vision was more comprehensive.

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 It's a place that has a stable, walkable area in which to live, work, and play, where existing

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 neighborhoods are protected and enhance, again, revitalization, reinvestment is two key terms

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 here, projects that are compatible, again, back to our comprehensive plan, in use, scale,

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 and design.

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 So those are the visions for each sub-area, as well as the overall area plan.

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 Does anybody have any questions before we get to the goals?

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 Commissioner Beck.

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 Thank you, Chair, Vice Chair.

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 As far as, well, maybe I should wait till after goals, but a couple of thoughts come

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 to mind here with the vision statements.

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 Cement City comes especially with looking ahead there.

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 Zone changes.

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 Were they discussed?

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 I mean, is that going to be part of what needs to be discussed to accomplish the vision statements

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 and perhaps the goals that you're going ahead?

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 Yes.

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 Exactly that, Larry.

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 Commissioner Beck, that is.

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 We looked at the vision and how to ultimately apply that vision.

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 We need to make sure that we have our recommendations in line.

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 Okay.

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 So those recommendations is part of your backup, and they are listed.

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 We won't touch all of it.

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 We will just touch the ones that we need, that we are referring to as catalyst projects,

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 the really short-term ongoing projects.

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 But overall, yes, these visions, if in order to meet them, they're going to have to have

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 recommendations that support that vision.

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 Great.

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 Thanks.

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 Commissioner Burnetta.

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 Yeah, I have a question, and when we talk about, you know, referring to Cement City,

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 one of the things that we talk about is basically affordable housing right now.

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 And I don't know if this would fall in the purview of what, you know, what we're laying

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 out in terms of a plan goes, but the complaint we get from a lot of people who live in the

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 area around the university is the, you know, proliferation of SROs, you know, single room

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 occupancies, right?

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 And you know, I've talked to students, I've talked to, you know, basically what they,

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 you know, about what they pay and these things.

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 And the move towards that seems to be drastically inflating the price of housing there.

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 You know, you have an apartment that would normally rent for about, you know, $1,000

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 to a family in a two bedroom, but when you go to a single room occupancy, it's rented

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 out for like, you know, $700 per person and everything.

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 So they basically, they're paying for a room plus a shared space, but basically what you've

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 done at that point is, you know, increase that property value by about $400.

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 And I know that that's a preferable plan for developers and for owners in that area, but

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 my fear is that by allowing, you know, those to become more ubiquitous, what we're doing

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 is inflating the price all the way around for families and for, you know, people who

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 can't afford to own, we're actually now starting to price them out of renting.

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 Is there any plan for discussing, I guess, limits on, you know, the areas in which we

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 can put, you know, SROs in or anything that we can do to address that going forward to

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 make sure that we maintain affordability?

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 So two points if I can address that comment.

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 The steering committee members felt the same way, and that's why you see the vision that

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 we want to see this continue as an opportunity for housing affordable, housing that is affordable,

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 right?

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 When you talk about SROs or collegiate housing, whatever term that we're using, there is,

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 there was a city council meeting where we talked about, is this a separate use?

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 How do we address this?

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 What should they be?

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 All of that.

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 And from that discussion with city council, we're going back to provide them with more

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 information and options on how to address it, staff is.

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 I believe it's scheduled for some time in January.

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 So yes, you're right, it's a problem, and we're working on it.

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 The area plan does identify that sort of concern, and we have set recommendations or proposed

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 recommendations that will hopefully address some of the affordability in this area.

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 Thank you.

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 If I could, I just want to make sure, because the last part of the question was to promote

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 affordability, and I want to make sure that I do respond to that, that there are goals

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 that go along with zoning regulations, and it's not a direct impact upon the price of

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 rent in the community, and I want to make sure that we don't have any misunderstanding

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 of the tail wagging the dog, as it were.

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 What we are really looking at here are things like density, appropriateness to adjacent

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 areas and lot size, lot types, uses, things of that nature.

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 Some of those could bear indirectly upon affordability, but don't necessarily do that, and I don't

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 think that this could really be used as a catalyst for, say, rent control if that were

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 to be proposed.

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 What we're really talking about here is a plan for zoning and development regulations

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 that might indirectly bear on that, and in the course of looking at those, it's important

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 to look at the actual benefits and the detriments of certain types of housing rather than to

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 begin with a conclusion that SROs are bad, therefore we want them gone.

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 What types of uses are negatively impact property values?

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 What kind of uses negatively impact health, safety, quality of life?

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 What have you and justify it in terms that are supportable and recognizable through zoning

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 Thank you, Chair.

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 And Commissioner Preneta, we will talk about the goals coming up, and hopefully that would

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 kind of summarize a little bit what the committee was considering or proposing as far as goals

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 for the area specifically.

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 So we'll start with area one, and then we'll get to area two, but area one, as you heard

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 from the vision, is to really protect the historic context of the area.

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 So we broke up the goals by five categories, land use, community design, mobility, parking,

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 and services.

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 So the future land, I'm sorry, the land use goals for area one.

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 I won't read them all, but really to protect the historic districts, there was a goal to

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 create more businesses along Scripture Street.

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 They felt that that was an area that could see neighborhood services, again, along Scripture.

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 Not the whole Scripture.

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 We're looking at Gober Street and Ponder Avenue.

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 Create more businesses along Oak and Hickory, and that again is within area one.

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 We're looking at between Welch and Avenue B, that area, because we know that the other

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 areas on Oak and Hickory are residential, so we identified some areas there.

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 Community design goals is protect the neighborhood by ensuring revitalization and reinvestment.

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 Again, the word compatible is throughout this document.

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 Improving attractive neighborhoods and streets through street amenities and other improvements.

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 Mobility, there's a lot of people that walk in area one, right?

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 So provide safe and accessible sidewalks and crosswalks.

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 Improve the mobility in the area, both pedestrian, bicycle-less as well, and transit.

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 There are some recommendations that involve DCTA, and that's covered in your backup.

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 Do some traffic signal operations.

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 So it may be where the light needs to be, just a little bit more conducive to the need

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 for a longer light for people across the street, for example.

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 Parking, that's one of the probably the biggest concerns and issues that we hear for this

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 What do we need to do?

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 Well, we should implement a strategic parking plan or program, and that actually is something

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 that we will discuss in later slides on how we do that.

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 Develop a visibility marketing program.

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 That's basically economic development, making sure that this area, as we start looking at

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 additional developments or just historic districts, make it more visible.

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 Create businesses, we talked about already along Hickory and Scripture, and how do we

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 retain those businesses?

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 So that's all of sub-area one.

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 Sub-area two, this is again the area west of the University of North Texas.

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 The first land use goal here, support existing housing in the area.

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 That means that if there is an opportunity to revitalize it, to improve it, because we

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 know that area.

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 I think people know that area.

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 There's areas, there's some buildings that we need to work on, and the city, the state,

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 the federal, there's grants, there's opportunities for funding.

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 So if we can support that existing housing structure or stock in that area, let's do

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 that.

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 Identify and prioritize, again, neighborhood revitalization and reinvestment.

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 You're going to hear that again over and over.

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 Again, that's a key term.

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 Improve multimodal infrastructure along Bonnie Bray.

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 One of the opportunities that we have with area two is that Bonnie Bray is being widened,

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 as we speak, as we all know.

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 And there is an opportunity to create more sidewalks, wider sidewalks, bicycle lanes,

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 protected bicycle lanes, linear parks.

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 As that widening project moves forward, there will be opportunities, and we should take

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 advantage of that.

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 Increase open space.

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 They don't call it cement city because there's a lot of open space, right?

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 There's a need for open space.

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 So the committee wanted to make sure that there's recommendations that support more

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 open space.

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 In fact, I've forwarded these recommendations to our Parks Department, and they are in favor

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 or in agreement with all these recommendations.

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 They didn't see anything wrong with them.

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 Mobility, that area, pedestrian and bicycle circulation.

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 I drove that area, I've driven that area.

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 There's no sidewalks, rarely any sidewalks.

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 So how do we improve that?

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 There's recommendations that deal with that.

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 How do we make it more safer?

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 Lighting, other things that we can do, that's all covered.

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 Create more access, again, connectivity to major destinations.

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 We see this as a pass from the university to raise a ranch, potentially, or to the hospital.

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 There's ways we can improve connectivity.

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 Again, DCTA was consulted, increased ridership in the area.

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 There's a lot of students, but there's also other, you know, cohorts there that travel

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 that need transit, and so we want to make sure that those are provided to them as well.

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 Parking, another area that sees parking impacting that area.

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 Same goal in that we want to provide a comprehensive strategic parking action plan.

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 Revitalize, again, reinvest in the area, and also to improve the visual and perceived image.

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 That's going to be difficult, but that's something that we should set a goal for.

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 >> Commissioner Beck.

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 >> Thank you, Vice Chair.

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 Let me stop before you go into sub area three.

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 Share with us if you can, because my view of this area is not one where I see it being

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 necessarily family-oriented.

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 I see this more an area that should accommodate couples, single people, students, mainly.

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 So did you get a sense in your meeting that family living would work better in sub areas

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 one and three as opposed to this?

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 Was there a sense that?

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 >> We, as far as the backup, you know, there was some background information in each of

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 the sub areas.

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 And it's my understanding that there are some families in here now.

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 Is it more conducive for them?

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 You know, that is not a question I can answer.

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 I would like to see a diversity in the area.

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 So a mix of residents, students, and other, you know, age groups as well.

469
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:27,800
 >> Well, and I don't -- but I guess what I'm asking, was there any sense conveyed in your

470
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:32,460
 meetings that this area wasn't conducive to families?

471
00:34:32,460 --> 00:34:39,360
 >> I don't think that was overwhelmingly in that direction.

472
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:45,680
 We recognize the diversity, we recognize the housing affordability, those are the main

473
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:46,680
 things that we discussed.

474
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,120
 But as far as specifically, you know, this is conducive for families, we didn't really

475
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,600
 spend much time on that.

476
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:53,600
 >> Okay.

477
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:54,600
 Thanks.

478
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:59,720
 >> Sub area three, and just to remind you, is that eastern and southern portion just

479
00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:05,760
 east and south of the University of North Texas, there is a housing stock there that we know

480
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,360
 has been there for some time.

481
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:12,240
 So we felt -- when I say we, the steering committee, felt that that's an area that should

482
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:18,100
 be protected, support existing housing in that area, maintain the single family and

483
00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:19,100
 multi-family.

484
00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:20,100
 There's a mix there.

485
00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:24,960
 We want to make sure that we continue to keep that balance, create businesses along Eagle

486
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:25,960
 Drive.

487
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,800
 So that was another corridor that they identified, which I think is obvious, right?

488
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:34,640
 Eagle Drive, we want to make sure that that continues as a commercial corridor.

489
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,560
 Community design goals is to just return to a sense of community.

490
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:44,600
 There's been a number of folks mentioning to me that this was a -- it is a community,

491
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,960
 and we need to make sure that that continues.

492
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,640
 And then preserve the character.

493
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,920
 There's a lot of character in that area, not just the housing, but just in the area as

494
00:35:52,920 --> 00:36:01,320
 far as, you know, where people go and, you know, shop.

495
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:02,320
 There's really not much.

496
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,240
 You know, that's why we want to make sure we bring back that character that was once

497
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:06,640
 there.

498
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,320
 Mobility.

499
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:18,400
 This was actually an area that we felt that could be where more gateways be introduced,

500
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:27,280
 primarily along the Avenue A or the area just south of the subarea.

501
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,120
 I'm blanking on the name of the -- what's Avenue A?

502
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,920
 What's the other -- McCormick.

503
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,800
 Sorry, thank you, transportation engineer.

504
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:37,800
 Thank you.

505
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:38,800
 McCormick.

506
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:43,280
 That would be an area that we can see a gateway introduce as it leads into the area.

507
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,720
 Of course, UNT as well, but the area.

508
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:52,960
 Improved traffic signal operations, back again, traffic safety, improved protection.

509
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,520
 You've seen that throughout the subarea 1 and 2.

510
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,060
 Improved parking.

511
00:36:58,060 --> 00:37:01,280
 There are areas here that have issues with parking.

512
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:07,080
 Fannin specifically, if you know that area, Fannin sees a lot of students parking on Fannin

513
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,080
 Street.

514
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,560
 And then create more neighborhood services.

515
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:15,280
 What I was trying to get to is that there are neighborhood services that are lacking

516
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,000
 and we want to create more, and that goes back to the character of the area.

517
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,520
 Overall, we also had goals for the entire area.

518
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:29,520
 A lot of this is probably repeats of what we already heard.

519
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:35,720
 Protect established neighborhoods, promote economic development, support the diversity

520
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:42,520
 in lane use patterns, improve our streets, our streetscapes, our corridors, create more

521
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:48,360
 open space, trails and connections between areas.

522
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:49,360
 Mobility goals.

523
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,920
 Again, those linkages that we just discussed.

524
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:58,200
 Continue the coordination with not only the neighborhoods and university, but other agencies

525
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,160
 as well.

526
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:05,800
 Reduce the congestion in the transportation and expand the transportation options.

527
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:11,680
 Not much that you can do there because pretty much built out, but if we can add transit,

528
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:16,480
 other ways of getting around the area, we should.

529
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,480
 Parking.

530
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,000
 Develop a parking action plan.

531
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,280
 Develop a parking action plan that is based on community input.

532
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:33,040
 And then just promote that mixed use design as we look at these corridors.

533
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,680
 Services.

534
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,660
 Create comprehensive funding mechanism.

535
00:38:36,660 --> 00:38:38,080
 This is not going to pay for itself.

536
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,160
 We want to make sure that we have those in place.

537
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,440
 Now TIFF has been thrown around.

538
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:51,240
 There are other ways of funding improvements, but again, these are just recommendations.

539
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:57,400
 We also have, you know, when we talk about coordination, we already discussed this, UNT,

540
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,600
 the city and the neighborhoods.

541
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,440
 Business owners, property owners.

542
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,160
 Improve the image and enhance the neighborhoods.

543
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:12,240
 Create a wide range of housing that's affordable.

544
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:17,020
 Options that, you know, most folks have the ability to choose.

545
00:39:17,020 --> 00:39:22,320
 And then just create facilities and programs that serve the study area.

546
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:23,640
 So those are the goals.

547
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:29,280
 They're pretty -- when you look at them, they're pretty similar, but very specific in some

548
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,280
 respects.

549
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:31,280
 >> All good?

550
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,280
 >> Yes.

551
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,280
 >> Okay.

552
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:34,280
 A couple questions for you.

553
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:35,280
 Thank you, Vice Chair.

554
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:42,640
 I guess just some context, Ron, did you -- did anybody talk to the leadership Denton class

555
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:43,640
 of '32?

556
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,320
 Leadership Denton '32?

557
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,320
 >> We did not, no.

558
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,320
 >> Okay.

559
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,560
 If there's still some conversation to be had with the committee, I would encourage you

560
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,000
 guys to do that.

561
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,000
 >> Okay.

562
00:39:55,000 --> 00:40:03,200
 >> Leadership Denton class '32, which would have been 2016 and 2017, their project was

563
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,420
 affordable housing in Denton.

564
00:40:05,420 --> 00:40:14,480
 And there was a very intensive real estate analysis that was done and looking at specifically

565
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,440
 how do we solve the affordable housing issue in Denton.

566
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:24,160
 And a big thing that was identified was that all the variables that you could talk about,

567
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:29,000
 you know, about how do you work with, you know, homeless population, how do you -- what

568
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,560
 about rent control, what about all this other stuff.

569
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,840
 Those variables were already kind of being talked about by a lot of people in the community,

570
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,840
 but the student housing issue was not being talked about.

571
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:38,840
 >> Okay.

572
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,200
 >> And so that's where they focused.

573
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:47,920
 And one of the recommendations that came out of that project was specifically looking at

574
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:55,400
 this zip code of 76201 and realizing that there were -- the one thing that we did have

575
00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:02,000
 as an asset down that area was there still are large lots in comparison to areas like

576
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:07,520
 the Pacific Northwest that have code that's written into the municipal laws that allow

577
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,880
 for things like detached accessory dwelling units.

578
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:17,560
 And essentially that recommendation that came for, hey, let's -- what about revising code

579
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:24,000
 or utilizing DADUs to be able to increase density without increasing density, if that

580
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,000
 makes sense.

581
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,320
 Because where that project of that, you know, the apartment complex, I was supposed to come

582
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:34,320
 in there, was, hey, build density where density is, and that's around the university.

583
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:39,520
 But there was the fear of, well, if you build an apartment complex down there, trying to

584
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,860
 -- you're going to take away from the structure of the neighborhood, and so the suggestion

585
00:41:42,860 --> 00:41:47,920
 was utilize DADUs just to -- mother-in-law suites, something built in the backyard that

586
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:53,040
 spreads density evenly across the entire area but doesn't affect the character of the neighborhood.

587
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,960
 And so I feel like that might be something that this committee would maybe want to look

588
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:57,960
 into.

589
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:58,960
 >> No, no, I appreciate that.

590
00:41:58,960 --> 00:41:59,960
 I'm guessing you were part of that.

591
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:00,960
 >> I did the entire thing.

592
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:01,960
 So that's me.

593
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:02,960
 >> Yeah.

594
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:03,960
 Oh.

595
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:04,960
 >> Yeah.

596
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,580
 So I'd love to talk more about it.

597
00:42:06,580 --> 00:42:12,080
 >> So just real quickly, one of the recommendations there is housing options, and one of those

598
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:16,720
 housing options is those accessory dwelling units that's mentioned in the recommendation.

599
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:20,880
 So we didn't talk to this group specifically, but I think what you're saying, what you're

600
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:26,520
 referring to, generally we spoke of and also let you know that as we do the DEN Development

601
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,900
 Code update, that's a big part of this effort as well.

602
00:42:30,900 --> 00:42:31,900
 >> Good.

603
00:42:31,900 --> 00:42:36,280
 No, I'd love to be able to offer my insight and background in that to be able to lead

604
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:37,280
 some help.

605
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,280
 >> Sure.

606
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,920
 >> So I guess that really -- kind of just giving that background, the question that

607
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:45,000
 I had, good to know that the DADU is coming in possibly with the development code and

608
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,120
 that this was a discussion, at least during the committee.

609
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:54,720
 When it comes to the overall area plan and kind of the goals you guys put out, I'm guessing

610
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:58,040
 -- and I can't really see where the genesis of this all came from.

611
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:03,640
 Was it -- was a lot of it, hey, we need to -- we need to protect the character.

612
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:08,320
 We need to know how to smartly grow density in this area.

613
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,200
 What was a lot of the -- kind of the very beginning genesis of all this?

614
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:13,440
 >> I think it was both of that.

615
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,040
 You know, really it was to protect.

616
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,920
 Because remember, we started to see these development pressures come to the north side

617
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,280
 of town or north side of the area plan.

618
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,640
 >> There's more protection than it was intelligent growth, essentially.

619
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,980
 >> I think a little bit of both, but the first initial reaction was protection.

620
00:43:29,980 --> 00:43:32,080
 But then where do we -- we know growth is coming.

621
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,800
 We know the university is growing.

622
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,620
 Where do we place these types of development?

623
00:43:36,620 --> 00:43:42,120
 And so it was then also to promote areas where they can go or should go.

624
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,820
 And that was part of the reason why we started this effort.

625
00:43:45,820 --> 00:43:46,820
 >> Okay.

626
00:43:46,820 --> 00:43:48,120
 And then the last question I had.

627
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:55,480
 You mentioned when we were talking about sub area two, about the accessibility of grants.

628
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,920
 And I think of, once again, going back to the context that I gave earlier, a lot of

629
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:05,440
 the areas we looked at, like places like San Francisco had this, Portland had this, New

630
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:10,520
 York City had this, Austin had this, where some of the areas are really dilapidated like

631
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:15,720
 cement city, and there was federal and state funding that was accessible.

632
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:20,740
 While it -- we got rid of the dilapidated buildings, what ended up happening was it

633
00:44:20,740 --> 00:44:22,160
 encouraged gentrification.

634
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:30,220
 And so was there conversation about how do we preserve and preserve and protect the character,

635
00:44:30,220 --> 00:44:33,960
 but also not throw honey out in the middle of the sidewalk and hope the bees show up

636
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:34,960
 kind of thing?

637
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:35,960
 Does that make sense?

638
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:36,960
 >> Yeah, no, no.

639
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:37,960
 That was a big --

640
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:38,960
 >> Is it good now?

641
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:39,960
 Do you like that?

642
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:45,240
 >> That was a big discussion with the steering committee and the public input that we received

643
00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:51,760
 as well, is that we don't want to just redevelop, we want to reinvest, and that means that we're

644
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:57,040
 not tearing things down and rebuilding, but rather work what we have there, specifically

645
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,040
 in this area.

646
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,040
 >> Okay.

647
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,340
 >> So -- but they were concerned about that as well.

648
00:45:01,340 --> 00:45:07,240
 If you open it up, will that push out the other, you know, affordability or the other

649
00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:08,240
 type of housing?

650
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:09,240
 >> Sure.

651
00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:12,760
 >> And they made sure that that was something that we didn't want to do.

652
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:13,760
 >> Sure.

653
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:14,760
 >> Commissioner Beck.

654
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:15,760
 >> Thank you, Vice Chair.

655
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:22,560
 I'd like to kind of just touch on something that Commissioner Smith mentioned in this

656
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:23,560
 group.

657
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,640
 I wasn't familiar with it, so I appreciate you bringing it to our attention.

658
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:31,280
 But you mentioned there was a focus on student housing.

659
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:37,840
 How is that looked at in terms of the university's responsibility versus city responsibility?

660
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:38,840
 >> Sure.

661
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:39,840
 >> Can you elaborate?

662
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:40,840
 >> Yeah.

663
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,280
 You know, the hard part that the University of North Texas has that we found was that

664
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:52,240
 UNT has a much higher -- did not do very good planning over a long term, and I know this

665
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:55,600
 is going to public record, and so I don't want it to be an indictment on the University

666
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:03,000
 of North Texas, but UNT grew faster in enrollment than they did in student housing, to the point

667
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:08,160
 now where they're only barely able to keep their freshman class on campus, and then after

668
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,320
 the freshman class, there is no spot for sophomores, juniors, or seniors.

669
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:17,520
 They have to go off campus, and so one of the things we did look at was zip codes that

670
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:25,440
 were on the admissions or the registrar's office and where those students who were sophomores,

671
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,600
 juniors, seniors, where they resided, and there was a large number of those who did

672
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:35,360
 reside in that area, and within the city of Denton in general, of course, but specifically

673
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,360
 saying, you know, well, the university is kind of landlocked now.

674
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:44,640
 They can't build out too much in the form of building student housing themselves, and

675
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:50,080
 so students are going elsewhere, and so our group's response wasn't necessarily, well,

676
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,880
 the city needs to go pick a bone with UNT to fix that.

677
00:46:53,880 --> 00:47:00,160
 It's more of what can the city do to entice students to go towards more of that single

678
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,800
 occupancy dwelling that Commissioner Fernandez brought up?

679
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,800
 What can we do to entice students to go to single occupancy dwellings like these detached

680
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:14,880
 accessory dwelling units and stay away from the two bedroom apartments that low-income

681
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,120
 families could use instead, and so just try to create something that's more attractive

682
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:23,160
 for that student population to go to and leave what was more attractive for those single

683
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,160
 families.

684
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:29,680
 So you don't think there's an onus on the part of the university to provide?

685
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:38,840
 I would sit here and say yes, but I think that it was kind of like, yeah, they should

686
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:44,080
 have some of the responsibility and some of the stake-hold in that, but just saying that's

687
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:48,000
 it and then saying, well, they've got to fix it was kind of like saying let's run 100 miles

688
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,380
 an hour to a brick wall and think that we're going to run through it, and so it was kind

689
00:47:51,380 --> 00:47:54,160
 of like, let's just go ahead and accept that we can't go through the mountain, so let's

690
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,360
 find a way to go around the mountain.

691
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:57,360
 Good.

692
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:58,360
 Good.

693
00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:59,360
 Thank you.

694
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:00,360
 All right.

695
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,480
 So we're going to leave goals and we're going to go right into the recommendations, and

696
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,200
 again, it's not the complete list of recommendations.

697
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:11,640
 These are just the catalyst projects that we feel are worth discussing because we want

698
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,880
 to make sure we get going on some of these recommendations.

699
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,480
 So the first one is addressing parking.

700
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:24,720
 So the recommendation is to create a parking benefit district at the Oak/Hickory/Fry Street

701
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:30,280
 area, which will evaluate the cost and benefits for parking enforcement.

702
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:38,200
 Essentially, it's a parking management authority where an area is identified, similar to like

703
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:48,360
 the downtown area, and within that area, fees will be or parking fees that is, will be assessed.

704
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:57,520
 Using those parking fees that are received, we will then use to improve parking, either

705
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:04,800
 enforcement is one way of using that, supplementing the enforcement that is, also paint parking

706
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,480
 spaces.

707
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:11,080
 There's ultimately numbers of different things that we can do, but we have to create this

708
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:18,160
 parking district as a way of providing that funding we talked about to create that improvement,

709
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:23,120
 and we have our consultant here as well with Walter P. Moore.

710
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:29,900
 I think we can also use it for lighting and also for sidewalks to improve that district.

711
00:49:29,900 --> 00:49:36,760
 So things like that is what we would see as part of this parking benefit district.

712
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:37,760
 Commissioner Pernitta.

713
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:43,480
 So when we're talking about fees along Oak and Hickory, I guess my question is, what was

714
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,160
 the feedback that you got from local business owners?

715
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:51,760
 Because one of the things that I've seen recently was, you know, leave us the parking because

716
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:56,160
 they want to ensure that, you know, people are incentivized to go there, but maybe perhaps

717
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:01,600
 step up on the two-hour enforcement, because, you know, one of the things that I think is

718
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:07,720
 hurting a lot of the businesses in the area is, A, there are so many resources inside

719
00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:13,120
 the student union now that they're not getting student traffic, but we don't have any place

720
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:19,160
 for them to park, and I think basically adding fees and adding parking fees to go down there

721
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:23,600
 would further de-incentivize people to wind up in that area.

722
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:32,480
 We have a number of business owners that are in as part of the committee.

723
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,200
 They didn't seem to object as much.

724
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:42,080
 We presented this to the public during a public open house, and the response that we got was

725
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,960
 in favor -- now, do we talk to every business owner?

726
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:51,440
 No, but I think generally the idea is to create some sort of mechanism in order to improve

727
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:57,040
 the area, and I think if that's the ultimate goal, I'm not saying -- I'm not speaking

728
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,160
 for them, but that should be considered.

729
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:04,560
 If we're going to look at improving parking, we're looking at improving the area, that's

730
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,600
 one -- this is one way of creating that opportunity.

731
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:14,640
 Rob, do you want to add anything to the Parking Benefit District?

732
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:15,640
 Sure.

733
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:26,360
 The thing with the Parking Benefit District is that already you're competing with UNT

734
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:27,360
 on pricing.

735
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:32,400
 A lot of students get a discounted rate by parking either on the street, and you'll talk

736
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:37,640
 about that, or in that district, and one of the complaints we heard from the steering

737
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:42,120
 committee at the beginning was that the enforcement wasn't keeping up with it.

738
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:47,520
 So part of the deal with the Parking Benefit District is that you would have to leverage

739
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:54,160
 these fees for parking, but the district would benefit from those fees.

740
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:58,160
 And then one of the images from here that we used in the public meeting was an example

741
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:07,640
 of parking in Victory Park in Dallas, where if you're a retail or restaurant user, then

742
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,640
 your first two hours are free.

743
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:16,320
 But if you're just going to park to go to the school, then you're paying the full cost

744
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:21,160
 of -- that would be probably competitive with what it would be for public parking on the

745
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:22,160
 campus.

746
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:23,160
 Commissioner Smith.

747
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:24,160
 Thank you, Chair.

748
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:29,360
 So I was actually going to do my thing, which could be the utilization of the businesses.

749
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,520
 The businesses have access to the parking for their patrons, as long as their patrons

750
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,800
 are the ones who are parking there, and if they're not, then it's somebody else.

751
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:40,200
 So I'm glad you said that, but did you hear any feedback from anybody on the committee

752
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:46,400
 that was close to UNT about UNT having any issues with starting to charge or possibly

753
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,320
 having parking fees around there?

754
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,720
 I don't know if the University of North Texas would have any bones to pick about that, and

755
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:57,720
 especially if it was, you know, I know it's free now, so they're already losing "business,"

756
00:52:57,720 --> 00:53:00,360
 quote-unquote, to the free spots.

757
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:08,880
 I think UNT is pretty, as far as collaborating, there's two main folks that are on this committee

758
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,880
 and they didn't seem to object.

759
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:16,320
 So I guess they answer your question, nothing from UNT.

760
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:17,320
 Okay.

761
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:18,320
 Commissioner Brunetto.

762
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:19,920
 And just for a little bit of detail.

763
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:25,900
 So you mentioned that patrons of local businesses would have the free two hours and everything.

764
00:53:25,900 --> 00:53:28,260
 How are we determining who's a patron?

765
00:53:28,260 --> 00:53:31,960
 Is it via app check-in or something like that?

766
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,480
 There's a lot of different technologies to use.

767
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:40,240
 If they buy something at the store or at the coffee shop, they could get a different parking

768
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:43,880
 pass that would allow them to get out of the surface parking lot.

769
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:49,600
 It would be something that, if it was a surface lot, it would be something that would be self-enforced.

770
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:57,760
 So you don't have to have someone there manning a booth to make sure that people, it's a gate

771
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:02,240
 that opens and closes and you put in your ticket when you get your ticket when you go

772
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:05,480
 in and you put in a ticket when you get out.

773
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:13,280
 And so you can get a ticket from the retailer restaurants that validate.

774
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:18,400
 And just to clarify, there's no public surface lot there now that's hopefully in the future

775
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,400
 is what I think Rob is referring to.

776
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:26,920
 But if it's on street parking, there are apps that we can apply that collect fees and that

777
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,360
 sort of thing that you see throughout the country.

778
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:30,360
 Okay.

779
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:31,360
 All right.

780
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:32,360
 Thank you.

781
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,440
 You might be coming up a little bit.

782
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:43,280
 Another area or parking, but not necessarily within the business area, but really the residential.

783
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:50,760
 And again, this is one of the major concerns or topics that we've heard the exploration

784
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:56,240
 or the consideration for a residential parking district.

785
00:54:56,240 --> 00:55:00,840
 And what this is, is that you identify an area.

786
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:05,680
 We would like to look at it block by block because we have to get property owners permission

787
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:13,200
 or applying this to their area would be something that we need to get their input and their

788
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,320
 feedback and their approval, ultimately.

789
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:23,720
 But essentially what it is, is that during a certain time of the day, the street, you

790
00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:29,680
 need a tag in order to park there, say eight to five, for example, anything after that,

791
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:30,680
 you can park.

792
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:35,320
 And I think what that solves is that we currently have all these streets that are in the sub

793
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:40,880
 area that are no parking 24 hours, no one can park there.

794
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:46,440
 So this solves that, but also this gives us an opportunity to address some of the parking

795
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,920
 issues that we're dealing with in some of the areas.

796
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:54,040
 So again, for example, a block, if you look at one block, all the property owners there

797
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,560
 would get a residential tag.

798
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,920
 So if they needed to park on the street, they could.

799
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,320
 They don't have to park on the street, they can park on their property.

800
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:07,960
 Anybody that wants to park on the street that is not a resident, they would have to go,

801
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:15,400
 again, maybe through an app or something to pay into a fee, again, so that all that collection

802
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:20,400
 of fees we will use, again, towards improving said area.

803
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,800
 So it's a way of addressing the parking issue that we're having, but it is also a way of

804
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,420
 trying to improve the area as well.

805
00:56:27,420 --> 00:56:32,840
 So a residential parking district, and some of the concerns, input or feedback we heard

806
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:39,520
 from the community was, well, what if I need more than two tags or two parking spaces or

807
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,240
 whatever it is?

808
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:46,200
 That was something that we couldn't help them with because there's a set time, right?

809
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,260
 Between eight and five, you're required to have a tag.

810
00:56:49,260 --> 00:56:52,000
 After that, you can park however you like.

811
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:56,000
 And we know that students park there during the day, so that's going to address some of

812
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,680
 those parking concerns during the day.

813
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,000
 In the evening, not much of a concern.

814
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:05,640
 So this is one that we're going to explore more with Rob and his group.

815
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:11,160
 And as we continue with this process, we're going to potentially do maybe a pilot program,

816
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,820
 but hopefully this is something we can implement to address some of the parking concerns that

817
00:57:14,820 --> 00:57:22,760
 we've heard so far.

818
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:29,480
 Simple recommendation, but I think effective in that painting parking where parking should

819
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:30,580
 be, right?

820
00:57:30,580 --> 00:57:34,680
 You see that these folks, there's no dash lines.

821
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,320
 We just drew a box, and it's a white box.

822
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:38,840
 You fit in there, you're good.

823
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:42,680
 You're out of the way, and you're not within any driveway.

824
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:48,500
 That is for some people, while others just don't care, and they'll park wherever, right?

825
00:57:48,500 --> 00:57:56,880
 And so a big part of this recommendation is followed by enforcement, because if someone

826
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:04,040
 does this, and nothing happens, and it's not enforced by either police or some other services

827
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:09,040
 that we know, again, back to the parking district, they're going to continue to park like that.

828
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:13,040
 So we want to make sure that not only do we identify areas where they should park, but

829
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:21,100
 we also enforce it, as you see here, where this car didn't want to follow the rules.

830
00:58:21,100 --> 00:58:28,560
 This is a big one because it involves the Oak, but the Fry Street area.

831
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:32,020
 This photo that you see here is of Hickory Street.

832
00:58:32,020 --> 00:58:35,400
 As you know, Hickory Street is being improved.

833
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,760
 There's infrastructure, water, wastewater being installed, but also the pavement is

834
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:47,400
 being improved as well, and as part of that improvement, bike lanes are being introduced.

835
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:52,960
 From Body Bray to Avenue B, there's a bike lane that runs through where there's no parking

836
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,160
 on one side.

837
00:58:55,160 --> 00:59:03,600
 However, you get to this area, Avenue B, through Welch Street, there's businesses, there's

838
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,640
 currently parking on both sides.

839
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:12,160
 The proposal is to eliminate one side and do bike lanes through this area and continue

840
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,080
 from Welch all the way through to downtown.

841
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:21,880
 When you drive through Hickory from Welch to Carroll, you already see that the bike lane

842
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:26,760
 takes the south side, where there's only parking on the north side.

843
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:31,800
 We haven't done anything here because there's been a little bit of discussions, a little

844
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,760
 bit, more than a little bit, on what to do.

845
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:40,040
 Should we remove the parking on one side, add the bike lane, or do we leave the parking

846
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,040
 and find an alternative route for the bike lane?

847
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,400
 This was one of the discussions that we've had with the committee.

848
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,360
 It took several times to discuss it.

849
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:57,240
 Ultimately, the recommendation from the committee is to create this pedestrian area, which is

850
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:06,260
 what this area is, between Avenue B and Welch, where the parking will still remain on both

851
01:00:06,260 --> 01:00:14,120
 sides, but the bike lane will now have to shift and be a shared road, shared the road

852
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:17,640
 travel or bike lane.

853
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:23,360
 Similar to what you see in downtown, you enter this special place and the bike lane is now

854
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:31,800
 shifted, which shares the road with the vehicles, just between Avenue B and Welch Street.

855
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:41,880
 We're recommending that in order to make it more of a safer area for bicyclists is to

856
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:48,120
 use crosswalks that are enhanced with texture, so you know you're entering an area, similar

857
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:49,920
 to downtown.

858
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:54,920
 We're introducing lighting, we're introducing signage that show that this is a special place

859
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:56,800
 so people slow down.

860
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:03,040
 The miles per hour is slower in this area, down to 20 miles per hour, similar to an area

861
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:07,800
 that sees more pedestrian activity, so I'm not going to go through the whole list, but

862
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:13,320
 basically creating this special place and the committee, which is made up of business

863
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:19,600
 owners of this area as well as a bicyclist, were in favor or did not see any objection

864
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:25,200
 to this and voted to move this forward as a recommendation to City Council.

865
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:30,840
 So it solves the continuation of a bike lane through Hickory Street while still keeping

866
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:36,040
 the parking that the business owners need.

867
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,560
 So any questions?

868
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:40,180
 Commissioner Cole.

869
01:01:40,180 --> 01:01:43,440
 This is where you were talking about doing the Wooner, right?

870
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:44,440
 That's correct.

871
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:50,640
 I'm going to have to have you explain that term because Wooner.

872
01:01:50,640 --> 01:02:01,000
 Such for living street, and that's, I mean, basically it's open to everything, but your

873
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:06,500
 speed's reduced and you're kind of guided to where, I mean, you're sharing with bicyclists

874
01:02:06,500 --> 01:02:12,720
 and everything else, but everything's kind of out in the open patio style type pedestrian

875
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:18,640
 walking, but do you have a rendering of that?

876
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:22,560
 No, we don't, but you basically described it really well.

877
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:29,960
 I mean, but it looked really cool, and we looked at it and said, man, this is it.

878
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,280
 This is pretty much how this should be, you know?

879
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:40,600
 I mean, you really don't have to do a whole lot different, but, you know, they do it in

880
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:41,600
 other places.

881
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:43,200
 Commissioner Cole, can you speak into your microphone?

882
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:47,800
 Oh, sorry about that, but they do it with success in a lot of other places.

883
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:52,840
 And it, you know, a light bulb went off with us, and it was like, this is great.

884
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,200
 This is something that we need to explore.

885
01:02:55,200 --> 01:03:00,440
 Right, and just to give a quick background on what Jason's talking about, Mark Ollifan,

886
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:04,720
 who's here as well, I don't know if you would like to come up and further explain what is

887
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:11,120
 being proposed, but there were several options, I think four options in total, and there was

888
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:16,440
 just a wide range of folks that wanted this versus this.

889
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:23,680
 But when we came down to it, having proposed this recommendation, everyone seemed to be

890
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,040
 okay with what is being proposed.

891
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:27,040
 Questions?

892
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,040
 Commissioner Pinedo.

893
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:33,180
 Yeah, just a quick one.

894
01:03:33,180 --> 01:03:38,320
 So I just wanted a little clarification when you mentioned textured crosswalks.

895
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,520
 Are we talking like brick or something, or?

896
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:42,520
 It doesn't have to be brick.

897
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:48,080
 It can be, again, similar to what you see in downtown or on Hickory Street.

898
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:49,080
 Okay.

899
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:53,920
 So just to give that notice that you're entering an area that you need to slow down.

900
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:54,920
 Okay.

901
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:58,800
 And so that's what we're proposing, or what the committee's proposing.

902
01:03:58,800 --> 01:03:59,800
 Okay.

903
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:08,480
 I've got a before and after, and maybe I should show that now, because kind of illustrate

904
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:14,800
 what Jason was referring to.

905
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:19,360
 So this is Hickory and Frye on the corner right there, right?

906
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:23,440
 So what we're talking about is just improving the area, slowing down traffic.

907
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:29,320
 So these brick patterns you see there, the street lights that slow people down because

908
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:34,120
 you're entering a special area, just landscaping, making it more protection-friendly, making

909
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:39,040
 this area what really it is, it's a commercial node, right?

910
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:40,760
 It's a commercial area.

911
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:47,020
 And we want people to be safe at the same time, be used as a travel lane.

912
01:04:47,020 --> 01:04:48,700
 So that is what's being proposed.

913
01:04:48,700 --> 01:04:54,800
 Again, you see that the sidewalks, I'm sorry, the pavement is increased.

914
01:04:54,800 --> 01:05:00,000
 It provides that slow traffic calming device.

915
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,200
 You've got pavement that is different, a little bit more textured.

916
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:10,520
 And again, with the lighting and the landscaping, it just brings that whole area together.

917
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:11,520
 Commissioner Beck.

918
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:12,520
 Yeah.

919
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:13,520
 I like this idea.

920
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:17,480
 It doesn't prohibit vehicular traffic, it just discourages it.

921
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:21,960
 I think especially if you've got to slow down and you do have to share, and it's got to

922
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:22,960
 be enforced, too.

923
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:24,840
 It's got to be enforced with that.

924
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:30,400
 And obviously, people need to get in their vehicle more than others to get from A to

925
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:34,160
 B, but there's other ways to get there and not necessarily go through this.

926
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:38,000
 So this would discourage some traffic that doesn't have to go through there.

927
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:47,440
 And I think that's a great idea.

928
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:59,160
 Okay, so the next few slides are related to what we're talking about, the overlay special

929
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,360
 purpose districts.

930
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:09,760
 One area, and it's kind of covered or presented in the exhibit, I think exhibit three sub-areas,

931
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,760
 where we've identified some overlay district.

932
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:19,480
 Not all of them will be pursued or implemented soon, but we identified four that we would

933
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:26,440
 like to do sooner than later, and one is the Scripture Street, again, between Gober and

934
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:35,760
 Ponder Street, that area north of along Scripture, just north of the area plan, northern part.

935
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:43,640
 The Oak Hickory, this would be what we would update our existing Fry Street overlay district.

936
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:48,440
 We would just expand it a little bit more and create more of that area that we talked

937
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:50,320
 about.

938
01:06:50,320 --> 01:07:01,160
 Collins, the area Collins that we're referring to is in sub-area three, just south of Fannin,

939
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:06,880
 west of Bernard, north of Greenlee, and east of Avenue A. That's the area that we're talking

940
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:12,040
 about, designating that as a Collins overlay district.

941
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:16,160
 We're calling it Collins because Collins is the middle street there.

942
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:21,400
 Some of the homes that are there now, they don't all look like this, I understand, but

943
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:27,120
 there are homes that are worth looking into.

944
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:30,040
 So that's another overlay district.

945
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:37,600
 Sycamore is another area that the committee identified, and that is just which is bounded

946
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:44,720
 by Hickory to the north, Carroll to the west, I'm sorry, east, and then Bernard to the west,

947
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:47,640
 and then just parcels to the south.

948
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:52,780
 There's some housing there that's worth looking at, and the committee recommended looking

949
01:07:52,780 --> 01:08:00,520
 at a potential conservation historic district.

950
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:07,080
 Sidewalks, you know, that's another thing that the committee was looking into, sidewalks

951
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:08,640
 and lighting.

952
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:15,480
 The consultants looked at the area and identified priority sidewalk connections.

953
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,400
 Those are shown in red.

954
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:25,360
 One I think that's worth mentioning, I'm sorry, Scripture, has a need for some sidewalks.

955
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:29,160
 So does Oak and Hickory.

956
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:34,260
 You see here there's a lot of other areas that need Collins and Eagle.

957
01:08:34,260 --> 01:08:37,520
 So are we going to tackle this all at one time?

958
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:41,880
 No, it's an ongoing, and you can see that the recommendation is ongoing, something that

959
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:45,760
 we would need to include in our CIP program.

960
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:53,620
 But at least we have an idea of where we should start, what we have and where we should start.

961
01:08:53,620 --> 01:08:54,620
 Commissioner Beck.

962
01:08:54,620 --> 01:08:55,620
 Thank you, Chair.

963
01:08:55,620 --> 01:09:02,120
 Just quickly, Scripture is an important area where you need some pedestrian facilities.

964
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:08,760
 How much right of way is there now where you can incorporate sidewalks on both sides of

965
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:09,760
 the street?

966
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:10,760
 Is there any?

967
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:14,680
 I mean, because there's not a lot of setback for some of those houses.

968
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:19,760
 In some cases, those lots are fairly deep and those homes are fairly set back.

969
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:27,240
 If there's no existing right of way to increase pedestrian safety, probably introducing sidewalks,

970
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:28,600
 we'd have to talk to the property owners.

971
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,760
 I don't know what that right of way with is today, but we'll certainly have to work through

972
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:33,760
 that process.

973
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:34,760
 Okay.

974
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:36,440
 That wasn't a subject that was raised with the committee.

975
01:09:36,440 --> 01:09:41,400
 No, we looked at a very somewhat high level just knowing that there's a need for sidewalk

976
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:42,400
 within that area.

977
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:46,920
 Yeah, big time, thanks.

978
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:48,160
 Existing lighting.

979
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:52,320
 This is a photo of Stella and there's no lighting.

980
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:53,320
 There's really no light.

981
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:54,400
 There's no sidewalks.

982
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,080
 So you're going to be walking in the street.

983
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:57,080
 It's dark.

984
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:58,080
 There's no sidewalk.

985
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:04,840
 So we need to look at that and also if there is lighting, we need to improve it or repair

986
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:08,020
 it where there needs to be lighting.

987
01:10:08,020 --> 01:10:14,960
 So something that we can look into, and we've discussed this with DME, the Unmutable Electric.

988
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:18,720
 We actually have to come up with a plan where we can prioritize where those areas should

989
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:23,680
 be addressed, but if we're going to make this area safe, we need to have sidewalks and we

990
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:27,360
 need to have lighting, good lighting.

991
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:34,220
 Again, this is a quick fix, putting expanding a two-way stop to a four-way stop on Collins

992
01:10:34,220 --> 01:10:40,880
 and Bernard, again, to provide that safety.

993
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:46,640
 This is a really cool recommendation in that we have an opportunity, again, with the Bonnie

994
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:54,480
 Bray widening project as well as the Hickory Oak substation installation.

995
01:10:54,480 --> 01:11:01,680
 The existing substation will be decommissioned and there's an opportunity to create an entry

996
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:08,760
 to this area as you come from the highway by redeveloping the site.

997
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:14,680
 Now, we haven't really developed a plan, but the idea is to use this area or this site

998
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:19,080
 to either an open space or a gateway entry into the area plan.

999
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:24,800
 So we're obviously going to be working with DME, but that is an opportunity or recommendation

1000
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,480
 that the committee would like to see done.

1001
01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:33,620
 I think this is my last recommendation and that is in order for this to work, we have

1002
01:11:33,620 --> 01:11:39,000
 to rely not only with the city and other agencies such as UNT, but we also have to have the

1003
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:40,240
 community involved.

1004
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:46,560
 So we want to continue this community engagement, so have as many people involved.

1005
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:52,280
 Of course, there's not a formal committee, but rather if they're involved in one way

1006
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:58,920
 or another, we can see things happen a lot better and a lot faster.

1007
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:02,440
 I'm not going to go into the draft implementation strategy.

1008
01:12:02,440 --> 01:12:03,440
 You have that in your backup.

1009
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:07,600
 It's basically the summation of what the committee has done.

1010
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:12,600
 It lists the goals, the vision, as well as the recommendations.

1011
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:21,400
 The Oak Gateway recommended 11-0 to move these recommendations forward to city council.

1012
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:25,920
 The staff, of course, would like to see this move as well.

1013
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:31,800
 What we are seeking from this planning zoning commission is a recommendation to move these

1014
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:35,200
 recommendations forward as well to city council.

1015
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,200
 That is the end of my presentation.

1016
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:40,960
 I'd be happy to answer any questions.

1017
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:45,920
 Ron, I just have a quick question.

1018
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:49,880
 Nowhere did I see in the draft, and the steering committee did a great job.

1019
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:56,080
 I know how hard everyone worked and put together a beautiful draft, and great recommendations.

1020
01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:02,600
 One thing missing seems to be where should density be?

1021
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:07,040
 I don't know if we can just address density with the accessory dwelling use, which is a

1022
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:12,720
 great recommendation, but was it discussed in any -- I didn't see that in the draft,

1023
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:17,080
 but it's certainly one of the problems that has been throughout this whole year.

1024
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:22,320
 It's really back to zoning, and so there is a recommendation in there that talks about

1025
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:28,280
 appropriate zoning to increase mixed use and to increase density.

1026
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:33,440
 Ultimately, that will be dealt with through the development code and the zoning map update.

1027
01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:42,640
 So these recommendations do inform some areas that need more zoning, appropriate zoning,

1028
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:48,720
 and again, through that, we will implement through the development code update.

1029
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:50,680
 So I don't have the recommendation number.

1030
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:55,880
 I can maybe bring that up when we get to the public hearing, but there is some mention

1031
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:59,120
 of zoning as part of these recommendations.

1032
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:00,120
 Okay.

1033
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:01,120
 Thank you, Ron.

1034
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:02,120
 Commissioner Beck.

1035
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:03,120
 Thanks, Archer.

1036
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:04,120
 Just one quick thing.

1037
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:13,800
 With a little I dug into this, it appeared that the bulk of concern where you have people

1038
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:20,120
 actually seem to be waiting in favor of the sub area one, do you feel that the other two

1039
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:28,280
 sub areas were adequately represented as far as individuals, you know, coming up?

1040
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:34,000
 I would agree with you that there were a majority of them, when I see them, the steering committee,

1041
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:39,200
 that was focused on area one, however, I think with the chair and the vice chair, they made

1042
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:45,300
 sure that the other sub areas were also discussed and not left, you know, by themselves.

1043
01:14:45,300 --> 01:14:51,880
 So we have some committee members that live and work in sub areas two and three.

1044
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:56,280
 So we did get their input in representation as well.

1045
01:14:56,280 --> 01:15:00,840
 And just, Vice Chair, just a point of clarity or clarification.

1046
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:06,320
 This presentation that I just presented during the public hearing will have the steering

1047
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:09,560
 committee members make the presentations.

1048
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:16,160
 I felt that they needed to be involved in also to share and sharing with you all what

1049
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,920
 they went through with preparing this area plan.

1050
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:23,240
 So it would be a number of the steering committee making the presentation so that you all know

1051
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:24,720
 that's coming forward.

1052
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:25,720
 Okay.

1053
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,120
 Commissioner Pernado.

1054
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:33,880
 So when we talk about a vote to send before city council, I guess my question is exactly

1055
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:39,640
 -- well, we have a breakdown of how this will be implemented because there's a lot of little

1056
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:44,240
 things here and there that are all very different that should be implemented.

1057
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:50,160
 Are we voting to send through the whole thing in totality that will be voted on by city

1058
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:56,160
 council to enact or are these recommendations that will subsequently be resubmitted, you

1059
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:59,280
 know, as different, you know, projects?

1060
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,480
 The plan is to bring forward the whole package.

1061
01:16:01,480 --> 01:16:03,200
 It is a plan.

1062
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:05,440
 These are recommendations.

1063
01:16:05,440 --> 01:16:08,680
 Ultimately what happens after is the implementation.

1064
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:15,360
 And so if the recommendations are brought forward and agreed upon, accepted, we, the

1065
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:20,720
 staff and, again, the other agencies and the community will need to start to implement

1066
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:21,720
 those.

1067
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:25,560
 And what you have in your implementation strategy is the timing of those.

1068
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:27,840
 So we're not going to take all of them at one time.

1069
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:31,720
 We've identified some that we want to take forward sooner than later.

1070
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:37,000
 But those other recommendations will still be there and we will tackle them as time permits.

1071
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:38,000
 Okay.

1072
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:43,720
 And I guess kind of the main reason I'm asking how this will lay out because Commissioner

1073
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:49,360
 Beck asked a question about sidewalks on scripture and for those, you know, who may or may not

1074
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:56,320
 be familiar with scripture, if you get west of Malone and everything, you know, the street's

1075
01:16:56,320 --> 01:17:02,760
 narrow and basically any place we put sidewalks is going to have to be on, you know, the property

1076
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:06,680
 of individual homeowners and things like that.

1077
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:11,080
 By approving this and having it go through council, I imagine you mentioned we would

1078
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:17,040
 still have to work with homeowners in terms of securing, I guess, permission to build

1079
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:19,040
 sidewalks on their homes.

1080
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:23,960
 Will these be things that will wind up coming to us later?

1081
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:24,960
 It would not.

1082
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,880
 It would be part of our CIP program.

1083
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:34,200
 And again, when we develop a CIP program, this plan informs that process.

1084
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:38,680
 So you know, we've sort of done a little bit of the work already identifying the sidewalk

1085
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:45,960
 needs, the gaps, and we've talked about the prioritization of those installation of sidewalks.

1086
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:51,480
 As we move forward with the CIP program, we can use this plan as reference in identifying

1087
01:17:51,480 --> 01:17:55,120
 where we need to go first, and that is what will happen.

1088
01:17:55,120 --> 01:18:03,200
 So you won't see the details, but through CIP programs, I'm not sure that this will

1089
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:07,440
 be coming to this board per se or this commission per se, but that's how this plan is going

1090
01:18:07,440 --> 01:18:13,880
 to be used, is to help inform other strategy or implementation of other programs as well.

1091
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:14,880
 Okay.

1092
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:15,880
 Thank you.

1093
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:20,220
 It really works as a guiding document, right, to add to making decisions when it comes to

1094
01:18:20,220 --> 01:18:26,120
 zoning cases that do come before us or CIP projects or whatever becomes another tool

1095
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:28,480
 to be used and analyzed, correct?

1096
01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:29,480
 Correct.

1097
01:18:29,480 --> 01:18:36,240
 Again, it's a plan, and that sets forward some direction of what we need to do, and

1098
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:37,240
 that's really what this is.

1099
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:42,760
 So those catalyst projects that we just covered is something that the staff and the committee

1100
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:44,760
 would like to get started as well.

1101
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:50,600
 Ultimately, any overlay district that we will bring back to you because that's part of the

1102
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:51,600
 commission's responsibility.

1103
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:52,600
 All righty.

1104
01:18:52,600 --> 01:19:01,480
 This isn't a supplement to the comprehensive plan to design zoning decisions, necessarily,

1105
01:19:01,480 --> 01:19:02,480
 correct?

1106
01:19:02,480 --> 01:19:03,480
 Correct.

1107
01:19:03,480 --> 01:19:06,280
 It's a help guide.

1108
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:12,840
 We have a similar one for the downtown implementation, and if you know the downtown implementation

1109
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:18,320
 plan, there's a set of recommendations, actions that was covered under that plan as well,

1110
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:23,640
 and what we did with that is we started implementing those, and one that I can speak of is the

1111
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:25,760
 Wayfinding Signage Project, right?

1112
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:30,200
 That started out with the downtown implementation plan, and then that got going because there

1113
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:31,200
 was direction.

1114
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:34,600
 We needed to do that, and that's what the city did.

1115
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:36,200
 So think of it as that.

1116
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:37,200
 It's a guide.

1117
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:46,400
 It's a plan, a direction of how we should proceed with this area.

1118
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:47,400
 Commissioner Sanchez.

1119
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:52,160
 What I got from this is that there's a lot of similarities between the areas as far as

1120
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:57,880
 issues that they're having problems with, like transportation, revitalization, some

1121
01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:59,320
 of the issues in that.

1122
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:02,480
 I mean, what are you going to do to revitalize this area?

1123
01:20:02,480 --> 01:20:11,960
 I mean, so I mean, and I understand long-term you want to, but is there any kind of plan

1124
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:13,760
 when you talk about revitalization?

1125
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:15,560
 That's a real broad term.

1126
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:21,440
 Is there anything that would -- what would you do to do something like that?

1127
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:24,000
 When I look at revitalization, I'm looking at the housing.

1128
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:31,680
 A lot of that housing in those areas is rental property, and my concern, I guess, was how

1129
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:38,680
 do -- because it's lower income, a lot of investors get in there, and you can see the

1130
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:40,920
 -- and don't take care of those properties.

1131
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:47,400
 How are you planning on revitalizing those areas to make more people come into there

1132
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:51,600
 rather than become investment properties for students?

1133
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:55,080
 You do, Commissioner Sanchez, you do a number of different things.

1134
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:58,800
 We've got tools that can help revitalize an area.

1135
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:03,200
 I brought up this map because I wanted to show that we -- again, we're calling this

1136
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:04,200
 Cement City.

1137
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:07,440
 There's probably a better term or better area description for this area, but we're calling

1138
01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:08,440
 Cement City.

1139
01:21:08,440 --> 01:21:09,440
 Right, right.

1140
01:21:09,440 --> 01:21:14,120
 That is a potential special purpose overlay district, and through a special purpose overlay

1141
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:19,120
 district, you can enhance the development standards for that area.

1142
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:27,320
 Through zoning, you can promote other incentives, meaning zoning land uses can come into these

1143
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:31,320
 areas that are more conducive for that area.

1144
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:36,440
 Working with our community development department, right, there's programs that we can help these

1145
01:21:36,440 --> 01:21:43,040
 areas, but ultimately, the goal is to improve the area, which is going to require the participation

1146
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:50,680
 by the property owners, and through that participation and that partnership, we hope to get there.

1147
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:56,280
 So there's no one silver bullet, you know, it's going to take a lot of different things.

1148
01:21:56,280 --> 01:22:01,480
 I mean, I understand it's a plan, and it's great, and I'm not knocking it.

1149
01:22:01,480 --> 01:22:06,680
 I was just -- it's just -- and you're looking long-term, and that's basically what you're

1150
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:07,680
 doing.

1151
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:11,680
 And saying like we talked about being proactive, so we want to be proactive, right, before

1152
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:13,600
 things get any worse.

1153
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:18,320
 So through the overlay district and through some other programs or incentives, we hope

1154
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:22,400
 to get the right development there.

1155
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:28,400
 Yes.

1156
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:29,400
 >> Thank you, Ron.

1157
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:30,400
 >> All right.

1158
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:31,400
 Thank you.

1159
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:32,400
 >> Okay.

1160
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:37,520
 That moves us through our agenda.

1161
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:42,280
 Do we want to maybe break, get something to eat, and then do work session?

1162
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:44,520
 What do you think?

1163
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:45,520
 Okay.

1164
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:46,520
 Okay.

1165
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:50,800
 Well, then let's carry on to our work session items.

1166
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:54,680
 That would be receive an update on the proposed amendments to water and wastewater design

1167
01:22:54,680 --> 01:23:01,700
 criteria manual.

1168
01:23:01,700 --> 01:23:03,680
 >> Good evening, commissioners, chair.

1169
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:04,680
 Thank you for the opportunity.

1170
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:10,760
 I pretend that traffic engineers for the city, and we're back again.

1171
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:17,220
 We started this -- let me get back to the original.

1172
01:23:17,220 --> 01:23:18,220
 We're back here.

1173
01:23:18,220 --> 01:23:20,720
 We started this last year.

1174
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:26,540
 We came here in front of the same commissioners, all the commissioners here, and presented

1175
01:23:26,540 --> 01:23:28,320
 the criteria manuals.

1176
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:31,980
 We had completely overhauled those criteria manuals.

1177
01:23:31,980 --> 01:23:35,160
 We had updated them.

1178
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:41,140
 And as you can see in this slide, there are three criteria manuals that were coming back.

1179
01:23:41,140 --> 01:23:46,880
 We have started this on an annual basis that will come back every year updating those manuals.

1180
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:53,720
 We go through a process through summer of next year, we'll go and collect all the comments,

1181
01:23:53,720 --> 01:24:00,040
 all the changes that we received from developers, from other engineers, as well as our internal

1182
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:03,000
 staff that's working on some of these projects.

1183
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:07,240
 And we take that in, we process it, and then we go through a process.

1184
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:10,960
 I will show you the timeline a little bit next slide.

1185
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:15,760
 But tonight we're talking about three manuals here.

1186
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:20,040
 Summer and wastewater criteria manual, which was updated October of 2017.

1187
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:24,800
 The stormwater design criteria manual updated March of this year.

1188
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,200
 And there are some changes that are required.

1189
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:31,720
 We came across some serious concerns, and we're trying to update those.

1190
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:37,740
 And standard details, either engineering detailed drawings that are used out in the field by

1191
01:24:37,740 --> 01:24:44,100
 contractors to implement some of the -- as you can see in this drawing, some of the actual

1192
01:24:44,100 --> 01:24:45,880
 work that's done in the field.

1193
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:50,360
 So that one was updated in August.

1194
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:51,640
 This is the timeline.

1195
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:55,400
 We started -- the first stop was about October 9th.

1196
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:59,380
 We started a first public hearing period.

1197
01:24:59,380 --> 01:25:01,240
 It was posted for 30 days.

1198
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:07,560
 We started getting comments and receiving comments through our website.

1199
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:12,480
 Then on the 9th of November, I think that's the date.

1200
01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:20,620
 On the 9th, we presented it to about approximately 50 engineers and consultants that on a regular

1201
01:25:20,620 --> 01:25:22,400
 basis used these manuals.

1202
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:25,960
 We presented in front of them the changes.

1203
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:27,400
 These are the changes we're recommending.

1204
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:29,540
 We'll collect more comments.

1205
01:25:29,540 --> 01:25:35,020
 We got all those, made some revisions that stopped number two between November 12th and

1206
01:25:35,020 --> 01:25:36,020
 21st.

1207
01:25:36,020 --> 01:25:38,580
 We revised the documents.

1208
01:25:38,580 --> 01:25:44,300
 And then again, posted it for another 10-day period of comments between 26th and 7th.

1209
01:25:44,300 --> 01:25:48,520
 After which, now we're here, we've wrapped up all the comment periods and we're presenting

1210
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:49,800
 what the changes are.

1211
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:51,720
 I'm just going to give you a really high level.

1212
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:53,600
 It's not that much different.

1213
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:57,940
 It's not that many changes because we overhauled it big time last time.

1214
01:25:57,940 --> 01:25:59,760
 And the next step is definitely city council.

1215
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:05,800
 We're going to go to council approval on December 18th and the manuals will be effective January

1216
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:06,800
 1st.

1217
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:11,680
 And we're going to come back again next year, the same thing, and continue doing that.

1218
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:13,240
 These are the changes for water, wastewater.

1219
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:18,320
 They're minor editorial comments as well as some clarifications where people are misinterpreting

1220
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:20,440
 some of the information.

1221
01:26:20,440 --> 01:26:23,320
 And we've done that all throughout the document.

1222
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:28,880
 There are some major changes and the major changes is improving some of the pipe casing

1223
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:33,560
 to improve their long-term liability.

1224
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:39,640
 We found that there are some corrosive soils out there, so we increased or added a coating

1225
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:42,040
 or protection or lining on the pipes.

1226
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:47,720
 So if you can see on this particular item, these are the changes that are major in this

1227
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:48,720
 entire document.

1228
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:50,340
 These are the major changes.

1229
01:26:50,340 --> 01:26:54,880
 And then the last one which kind of deals with now the contractor needs to provide a

1230
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:58,600
 plan for flushing and disinfecting water pipe.

1231
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:02,460
 These are brand new pipes and what used to happen is they didn't have a plan.

1232
01:27:02,460 --> 01:27:06,520
 They would come in, last minute try to figure out what do we do.

1233
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:11,760
 So now they need to submit a plan and the real catch here is the chlorinated water.

1234
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:13,580
 How do they dispose it off?

1235
01:27:13,580 --> 01:27:17,560
 If they don't have a plan and you're running it last minute, it becomes a hassle.

1236
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:21,400
 Now if they submit a plan and we know exactly what they're doing with the chlorinated water,

1237
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:28,000
 how they're disposing it off, then we have a better way of tracking it and also providing

1238
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:31,120
 them guidance as to how do you safely dispose it.

1239
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:35,640
 So these are the main changes in water waste router manual.

1240
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:42,040
 Next one is storm water design manual and on similar lines we had some editorial changes,

1241
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:45,400
 clarifications throughout the document.

1242
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:50,840
 Major changes, we added a reference to the I-Swim which is the integrated storm water

1243
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:51,840
 management plan.

1244
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:53,560
 This is through COG.

1245
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:59,120
 I think you've heard that term last time so I'm pretty sure you're well worth it.

1246
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:01,440
 The main thing here was erosion control.

1247
01:28:01,440 --> 01:28:08,000
 We saw on most of these construction site there was very little or no erosion control

1248
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,320
 or specific plan was not being followed.

1249
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:15,760
 They were not guided or told what to do and this is where we've added some information

1250
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:18,920
 on what they should be doing, how they should be following it.

1251
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:24,800
 There needs to be a plan and we're going to start implementing these throughout all construction

1252
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:25,800
 sites.

1253
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:32,260
 It's more of tightening it up in the manual where everyone is held responsible.

1254
01:28:32,260 --> 01:28:39,680
 The contractor is held responsible for any sediment going through the storm water.

1255
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:43,640
 Similar here, erosion and sediment control should follow best practices.

1256
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:47,880
 That's the storm water and then the last is the standard details.

1257
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:53,880
 This was same minor cleanups on these standard detail drawings.

1258
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:59,360
 The only big change is we've reduced the size of the water meter can which means your water

1259
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:02,400
 meters are within an enclosed casing.

1260
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:06,680
 We've reduced the size so that you can fit them in the parkway area.

1261
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:12,080
 No one wants it in their driveway or any other place where they can't really access it.

1262
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:17,400
 This is one of the feedbacks we got and we're making that changes and then provide more

1263
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:20,560
 consistency with the other manuals.

1264
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:25,480
 We are referencing the standard plans back to the manuals and tightening up some of the

1265
01:29:25,480 --> 01:29:26,480
 languages.

1266
01:29:26,480 --> 01:29:31,560
 So these are the main changes in all these three different documents and I want to really

1267
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:37,320
 keep it, you know, a higher level discussion here because there are really minor changes.

1268
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:38,920
 We don't see any.

1269
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:39,920
 >> Commissioner Beck.

1270
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:40,920
 >> Thank you, Vice Chair.

1271
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:41,920
 Just a quick question.

1272
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:48,600
 How big of a problem is it this time of year with leaves and pine needles and everything

1273
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:51,600
 going into the storm drains and everything like that?

1274
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:54,360
 Is that posed in the special wildland or is --

1275
01:29:54,360 --> 01:30:01,560
 >> So I think the leaves and pine -- there has to be erosion control.

1276
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:02,560
 There has to be cleaning.

1277
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:07,240
 >> Well, okay, but I'm talking about existing lots where -- we're not talking about developments.

1278
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:12,960
 I walk my dog every morning up Foxcroft, Archer Trail and all that and these big beautiful

1279
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:16,120
 trees but they're dropping their leaves and they're all sitting in the gutter and I'm

1280
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:18,520
 thinking, boy, those are going to wash down into those drains.

1281
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:22,240
 So that type of thing, you're dealing with established homes that --

1282
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:28,120
 >> So sediment is one thing and we're really concerned about sediment getting into the

1283
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:31,280
 storm water which is really an issue to clog it.

1284
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:36,360
 As far as leaves and pine and all that, there are screens available in front of those and

1285
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:41,160
 we are trying to follow and make sure that we have some screenings going on but it's

1286
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:46,640
 a matter of they're caught in these screenings but the sediment is something that doesn't

1287
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:51,640
 get caught and that gets stuck in the pipe and it starts settling in the pipe and that

1288
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:53,360
 reduces the capacity of the pipe.

1289
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:54,600
 So that's a major concern.

1290
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:59,480
 I agree there are leaves and stuff but we're trying to get those leaves out of the -- through

1291
01:30:59,480 --> 01:31:00,480
 screening process.

1292
01:31:00,480 --> 01:31:05,800
 >> And I don't want to be dictatorial with homeowners or anything like that but it seems

1293
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:10,160
 like there ought to be some responsibility there on their part to keep those out of the

1294
01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:15,360
 gutter and to save themselves costs because the cost of the city to that one intersection

1295
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:21,040
 at Foxcroft and Northcrest I think got flooded because that one drain right there was just

1296
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:23,240
 blocked up with leaves.

1297
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:24,240
 So is that --

1298
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:25,240
 >> Yeah.

1299
01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:29,360
 I think coded enforcement, CIS, can be sent to those places.

1300
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:30,360
 >> I called them.

1301
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:33,840
 They got out and they took quick care of it but it just -- anyway, it just --

1302
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:37,680
 >> Commissioner Beck, yeah, can -- we're getting a little off topic there so --

1303
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:38,680
 >> Okay.

1304
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:39,680
 Okay.

1305
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:40,680
 >> Yeah, maybe take that up after.

1306
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:41,680
 >> Will.

1307
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:42,680
 Thanks.

1308
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:43,680
 >> Thank you.

1309
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:45,600
 I just have a quick question.

1310
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:50,000
 Did these changes come about after you had discussions along the way with --

1311
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:52,920
 >> No.

1312
01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:55,840
 So these are -- majority of them were gathered through the summer.

1313
01:31:55,840 --> 01:32:01,840
 So it came from our internal staff as well as working with all the developers and their

1314
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:06,500
 consultants as to, oh, this language is really confusing, we need to change it.

1315
01:32:06,500 --> 01:32:12,040
 So it was collected over the whole year, this whole last year, and now we're just putting

1316
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:14,120
 it in front of -- as a public document.

1317
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:15,120
 >> Okay.

1318
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:16,120
 Very good.

1319
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:17,120
 Anybody --

1320
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:18,120
 >> Any questions?

1321
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:19,120
 >> Any questions?

1322
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:20,120
 Okay.

1323
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:21,120
 Thank you.

1324
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:22,120
 >> Thank you.

1325
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:23,120
 >> Okay.

1326
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:27,320
 Last work session item is receive an update on project notification and submission list.

1327
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:28,320
 >> Okay.

1328
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:29,320
 >> Okay.

1329
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:30,320
 Welcome, Charlie.

1330
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:31,320
 >> Hey.

1331
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:32,320
 Good evening.

1332
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:42,720
 I'm a business services manager with the development services department.

1333
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:46,920
 Today I just wanted to give you guys a quick update on some changes we've made to the website

1334
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:51,360
 to increase transparency on some of the things we have going on.

1335
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:53,840
 I didn't have a presentation today.

1336
01:32:53,840 --> 01:33:08,400
 I was just going to walk through it with you.

1337
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:17,200
 So as you know, recently we went to city council with proposed development code amendment for

1338
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:19,120
 citizen participation.

1339
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:24,800
 The city council wanted to hold off on that until the development code was updated and

1340
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:27,120
 include that as the update.

1341
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:31,320
 But during that presentation they did ask that we start putting neighborhood meetings

1342
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:32,880
 on the website.

1343
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:38,840
 So what we've done here is on the landing page of the development services website we've

1344
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:41,120
 added upcoming neighborhood meetings.

1345
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:45,000
 So right now we just have the one over the Christmas time.

1346
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:46,600
 We don't have many neighborhood meetings.

1347
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:54,760
 But as more of these come up, then we'll begin filling this area in with upcoming meetings.

1348
01:33:54,760 --> 01:34:00,480
 Also we're going to begin sending those notifications out to planning and zoning as we become aware

1349
01:34:00,480 --> 01:34:04,480
 of those as well.

1350
01:34:04,480 --> 01:34:05,480
 >> Commissioner Beck.

1351
01:34:05,480 --> 01:34:08,000
 >> What page was that on the website?

1352
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:10,720
 >> It's on the development services landing page.

1353
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:16,160
 And so also one of the recent changes is we've added a new domain name.

1354
01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:21,440
 So if you go to Denton development services.com it will point you directly to our department

1355
01:34:21,440 --> 01:34:22,440
 page right here.

1356
01:34:22,440 --> 01:34:23,440
 >> Say that again.

1357
01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:28,880
 >> Denton development services.com.

1358
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:34,720
 The other item I wanted to talk with you guys about today is the -- one second, let me pull

1359
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:35,720
 it up here.

1360
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:36,720
 The new submissions list.

1361
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:42,920
 So it's my understanding that recently you were copied on the new webpage with the map

1362
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:45,920
 of new submissions.

1363
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:51,600
 We've also added that online under our map page.

1364
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:52,600
 >> Commissioner Smith.

1365
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:53,600
 >> Thank you, Chair.

1366
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:57,040
 Charlie, how fast are those neighborhood meetings put up?

1367
01:34:57,040 --> 01:35:01,080
 Because sometimes they -- I guess two questions really.

1368
01:35:01,080 --> 01:35:04,040
 How quickly do you guys get notified of the neighborhood meetings?

1369
01:35:04,040 --> 01:35:06,360
 How quickly are they put up on the website?

1370
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:08,160
 Sometimes we've had it before.

1371
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:14,160
 We've had projects come before us that say, well, we got notification two days before the

1372
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:19,040
 neighborhood meeting and they had the neighborhood meeting the week of the item and it just was

1373
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:20,040
 very quick.

1374
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:25,120
 So I don't know how quickly you guys are getting stuff up and how quickly you guys are getting

1375
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:26,120
 notified.

1376
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:27,120
 >> Yeah.

1377
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:30,000
 So in working with our communications department, we're trying to get that up as soon as we're

1378
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:32,000
 aware of it.

1379
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:35,520
 It's a new process to upload it to the website.

1380
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:38,560
 So we've had two thus far that have been included.

1381
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:42,740
 We had one in late November and then the one that's currently up there.

1382
01:35:42,740 --> 01:35:47,040
 So we're getting them on the website same day that we're notified.

1383
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:53,140
 But as far as the notifications to the planners go, maybe Richard, you can tell me how often

1384
01:35:53,140 --> 01:35:54,140
 we get them.

1385
01:35:54,140 --> 01:35:59,320
 >> We typically try to get at least two weeks leeway or two weeks head time so people can

1386
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:00,640
 plan for it.

1387
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:02,480
 Sometimes it does go a little bit quicker.

1388
01:36:02,480 --> 01:36:05,480
 And I think this time of year it's just with the holidays and everything.

1389
01:36:05,480 --> 01:36:06,480
 >> Sure.

1390
01:36:06,480 --> 01:36:07,480
 I get the time of year.

1391
01:36:07,480 --> 01:36:11,080
 But I know there was projects in the past that were pretty quick, bang, bang, I mean,

1392
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:12,080
 not two weeks.

1393
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:18,080
 They were -- we certified mail out on October 24th and the project was -- or the meeting

1394
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:19,640
 was, you know, November 1st.

1395
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:24,000
 It's like that's not -- that's not two weeks.

1396
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:25,000
 I can do math.

1397
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:26,000
 >> Right.

1398
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:30,960
 >> When you say you're finding out about the meeting, I mean, is it -- you're finding out

1399
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:36,040
 about it, the developers finally telling you, the applicants finally telling you, what's

1400
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:40,760
 -- >> So I think just as for this one as an example,

1401
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:47,160
 the meeting's going to be held on December 18th and Ron was notified on December 5th.

1402
01:36:47,160 --> 01:36:48,160
 >> Okay.

1403
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:51,080
 >> So they did let them know that they were going to hold that meeting at the --

1404
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:52,080
 >> It's pretty good lead time.

1405
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:53,080
 >> The central library there.

1406
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:54,080
 >> Chair.

1407
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:55,080
 >> Commissioner Bec.

1408
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:56,080
 >> Thank you.

1409
01:36:56,080 --> 01:37:03,280
 There wouldn't by any chance be any way that somebody who wants to be made aware all the

1410
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:13,840
 time, that if we could go in here, we could put our email address and when those meetings

1411
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:21,000
 come up, it sends us an email out, I don't suppose -- is that capable of being done,

1412
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:22,000
 something maybe in the future?

1413
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:23,840
 >> That's definitely something we can look into.

1414
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:24,840
 >> Okay.

1415
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:26,840
 >> I know we have alerts.

1416
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:27,840
 >> But it would make it easier.

1417
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:33,560
 Otherwise, it's up to me to go and check every day.

1418
01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:34,560
 >> Okay.

1419
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:40,240
 >> Well, one of the things that we have discussed is maybe the signs that we put up at properties,

1420
01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:44,720
 including that link to where they can check for upcoming neighborhood meetings, give them

1421
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:49,280
 a spot when they see it to search out for it.

1422
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:52,680
 But we could look into some kind of sign up.

1423
01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:53,680
 Yeah.

1424
01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:54,680
 >> Commissioner Smith.

1425
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:55,680
 >> Thank you.

1426
01:37:55,680 --> 01:38:02,800
 Can you go back, Charlie, can you go back to the actual -- the good Sam one?

1427
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:07,840
 I just wanted to see what actually -- when you say learn more, what exactly is in there?

1428
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:11,640
 Is there going to be kind of the -- what things that are kind of the backup and everything

1429
01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:13,280
 else or just that?

1430
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:19,880
 >> So it's just date, time, a small synopsis, someone they can reach out to if they want

1431
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:24,080
 more information, that's going to be kind of our standard template and then if there's

1432
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:31,080
 any flyer or associated information, this one I think they included their own synopsis

1433
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:32,600
 and then some maps.

1434
01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:38,320
 >> Is there a way for us to include -- I know that it all depends upon when the agenda committee

1435
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:42,760
 is able to get this stuff out and it's all been posted for public notice, but is there

1436
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:47,160
 a way for us to incorporate -- I guess maybe this question is a little stupid, but a way

1437
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:52,240
 for us to incorporate the public documents into that link for that specific neighborhood

1438
01:38:52,240 --> 01:38:56,240
 meeting if it's a zoning case and then we already got the documents that already made

1439
01:38:56,240 --> 01:39:01,140
 public record, include them on that link so that if they want to be able to go look at

1440
01:39:01,140 --> 01:39:06,840
 the -- some of the documents that we're getting, that we're getting put on the website.

1441
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:08,600
 >> I think that's where we're trying to head.

1442
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:09,600
 >> Okay.

1443
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:18,840
 >> If we can go -- I don't know, Charlie, if you can pull up the submission list.

1444
01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:19,840
 >> Yeah.

1445
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:24,200
 >> So what we'd like to do with that is be able to click on and actually open up -- sort

1446
01:39:24,200 --> 01:39:29,880
 of have a one stop shop essentially for all your application questions.

1447
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:30,880
 >> Okay.

1448
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:36,280
 >> But pull that up, have one in the neighborhood meeting, have when it's projected, go to P&Z

1449
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:38,400
 in city council if need be.

1450
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:39,400
 >> Okay.

1451
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:40,400
 Got it.

1452
01:39:40,400 --> 01:39:43,400
 >> And so we expect to essentially just start to build on that.

1453
01:39:43,400 --> 01:39:44,400
 >> Okay.

1454
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:45,400
 Yeah, that was my recommendation.

1455
01:39:45,400 --> 01:39:46,400
 Hopefully I see that.

1456
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:48,400
 But this is a good move forward.

1457
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:49,400
 Appreciate it.

1458
01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:50,400
 >> All right.

1459
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:58,920
 The weekly submission list was the last thing I was going to update on, so if anybody else

1460
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:00,960
 has any questions.

1461
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:05,040
 Thank you, guys.

1462
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:12,400
 >> Thank you, Charlie.

1463
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:13,400
 Okay.

1464
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:14,960
 With that, that concludes our work session.

1465
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:18,920
 I will -- or close our work session at 6.15 p.m.

1466
01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:24,400
 Charlie will reconvene in council chambers at 6.30.

1467
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:25,400
 >> Good evening.

1468
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:26,400
 Thank you for your patience.

1469
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:30,880
 Welcome to the city of Denton's planning and zoning commission meeting for Wednesday, December

1470
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:33,200
 12, 2018.

1471
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:39,840
 With the quorum present, I will call our meeting to order at 6.44 p.m.

1472
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:43,080
 First on our agenda is the pledge to the U.S. and Texas flags.

1473
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:45,800
 Please join us and stand if you can.

1474
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:52,840
 >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic

1475
01:40:52,840 --> 01:41:00,280
 for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for

1476
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:01,280
 all.

1477
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:09,160
 Under the United States flag, I pledge allegiance to the United States of Texas, one state,

1478
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:14,320
 under God, one nation, indivisible.

1479
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:15,320
 >> Thank you.

1480
01:41:15,320 --> 01:41:18,120
 I would like to make a couple of notes.

1481
01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:22,840
 Two public hearing items are removed today from the agenda.

1482
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:30,360
 Public hearing AZ180011 is postponed to January 9th meeting.

1483
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:39,520
 And public hearing case DZ180021H has been permanently withdrawn from the city.

1484
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:50,920
 Okay, that will bring us to our item 2, which is approval of our planning and zoning minutes.

1485
01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:53,200
 We will take these individually.

1486
01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:55,920
 We've got November 14th.

1487
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:58,800
 Entertain a motion or discussion.

1488
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:00,360
 Commissioner Beck.

1489
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:06,320
 >> I move we approve minutes of November 14th.

1490
01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:08,320
 >> November 14th?

1491
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:12,600
 >> Commissioner Pernado.

1492
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:14,380
 >> Quick clarification.

1493
01:42:14,380 --> 01:42:18,000
 We were requiring an update to the -- >> Not on these minutes.

1494
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:19,000
 >> Okay.

1495
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:20,000
 Oh, I'm sorry.

1496
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:21,000
 Then second, yes.

1497
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:22,000
 >> Okay.

1498
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:26,200
 We've got a first and a second to approve November 14th PNZ minutes.

1499
01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:27,200
 Any discussion?

1500
01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:28,200
 Okay.

1501
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:49,080
 I'll call for a vote.

1502
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:55,280
 That passes 5-0 with one abstention in the November 28th minutes.

1503
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:56,280
 Commissioner Smith.

1504
01:42:56,280 --> 01:43:02,120
 >> Motion to approve, but with the removal of line 43 on page 10.

1505
01:43:02,120 --> 01:43:03,120
 >> Commissioner Pernado.

1506
01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:04,120
 >> I'll second with the amendment.

1507
01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:05,120
 >> Very good.

1508
01:43:05,120 --> 01:43:12,440
 We've got a first and a second to remove -- approve with removing line 43 page 10 of those minutes.

1509
01:43:12,440 --> 01:43:13,440
 Any discussion?

1510
01:43:13,440 --> 01:43:14,440
 Okay.

1511
01:43:14,440 --> 01:43:22,720
 Let's call for a vote.

1512
01:43:22,720 --> 01:43:25,480
 Motion carries 6-0.

1513
01:43:25,480 --> 01:43:30,680
 That moves us to our consent agenda.

1514
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:31,680
 Commissioner Smith.

1515
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:33,920
 >> Motion to approve the consent agenda.

1516
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:34,920
 >> Commissioner Beck.

1517
01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:35,920
 >> Second.

1518
01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:38,480
 >> We have a first and a second to approve consent agenda.

1519
01:43:38,480 --> 01:43:39,920
 Any discussion?

1520
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:40,920
 Okay.

1521
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:50,480
 Let's call for a vote.

1522
01:43:50,480 --> 01:43:52,360
 Motion carries 6-0.

1523
01:43:52,360 --> 01:43:57,400
 Okay, that will move us to our public hearings.

1524
01:43:57,400 --> 01:44:07,200
 With A being removed, we will go to public hearing B, DCA 18-0008.

1525
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:10,600
 I will open the public hearing at this time.

1526
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:13,040
 Hi, Haley.

1527
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:16,960
 >> All right.

1528
01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:22,560
 So this item is the update to the -- we're now calling the conservation and landscape

1529
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:24,440
 code.

1530
01:44:24,440 --> 01:44:31,880
 And I think Richard and I will kind of tag team this one with him speaking from the dais.

1531
01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:44,240
 >> Sorry, I'm trying to get a pull-up on my screen.

1532
01:44:44,240 --> 01:44:52,360
 Again, just wanted to -- for those that are hearing this for the first time, I know the

1533
01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:56,300
 commission has seen this slide already, but just again wanted to go through a little bit

1534
01:44:56,300 --> 01:45:02,640
 of the background into the tree preservation ordinance and sort of where it started from.

1535
01:45:02,640 --> 01:45:09,220
 So it started in 2003 as a reaction to redevelopment of flow hospital.

1536
01:45:09,220 --> 01:45:13,320
 So the tree preservation landscape requirements that we have today were essentially adopted

1537
01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:14,320
 in 2004.

1538
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:23,200
 A year later, there was the Denton Citizens Tree Committee created to look at that ordinance

1539
01:45:23,200 --> 01:45:28,960
 and recommend tightening it and eliminating some loopholes.

1540
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:34,480
 And so this update, ironically, has been going on since 2005.

1541
01:45:34,480 --> 01:45:40,360
 There's been multiple drafts by multiple different individuals, however, there was never a real

1542
01:45:40,360 --> 01:45:45,480
 consensus on updating the regulations.

1543
01:45:45,480 --> 01:45:54,400
 In 2014, however, there was a change to the code -- I'm sorry, in 2015, a recommendation

1544
01:45:54,400 --> 01:46:02,840
 from council that looked at doing some streamlining, but expand and protect -- to expand and protect

1545
01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:07,360
 tree canopy, including planting of trees on private property with expenditures from the

1546
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:08,360
 tree fund.

1547
01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:14,900
 In 2014, there were some minor amendments that were made, more so on the -- that had

1548
01:46:14,900 --> 01:46:20,640
 to do with the tree fund and how that could be used.

1549
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:25,520
 Shortly thereafter, 2016, there was the State of Denton Urban Forest that provided sort

1550
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:30,800
 of a good background and baseline of what we actually have today, or at least at that

1551
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:37,960
 point in time, as far as canopy and some of the value of those trees.

1552
01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:46,320
 And then over the last -- through '16-'17, there's been multiple drafts that were presented.

1553
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:53,040
 And then in 2017, early 2017, there was a council work session that talked about -- that

1554
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:59,360
 examined purchasing properties, five properties to be exact, however, nothing at that time

1555
01:46:59,360 --> 01:47:01,680
 came about.

1556
01:47:01,680 --> 01:47:09,760
 Including that in 2017, there was a House Bill 744, which looked at providing some preemptions

1557
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:12,440
 for municipalities and regulating trees.

1558
01:47:12,440 --> 01:47:19,060
 That bill failed, however, in the special session, House Bill 7 was approved and ultimately

1559
01:47:19,060 --> 01:47:26,160
 signed into law, creating Section 212-095 of the Texas Local Government Code that's

1560
01:47:26,160 --> 01:47:34,080
 now on the books that provides some limitations but not as far-reaching, I think, as what

1561
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:40,080
 was originally planned or intended from 744.

1562
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:44,880
 And so over the last year, this is just sort of a highlight of where we were and where

1563
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:46,440
 we are today.

1564
01:47:46,440 --> 01:47:51,320
 So again, earlier in April -- in the spring, April, May, we had a policy discussion with

1565
01:47:51,320 --> 01:47:56,440
 both council and the Committee on the Environment and then held a series of those -- series

1566
01:47:56,440 --> 01:48:02,040
 of meetings with the Committee on the Environment over a multitude of drafts and sort of concepts

1567
01:48:02,040 --> 01:48:04,160
 that we worked through.

1568
01:48:04,160 --> 01:48:09,600
 And then ultimately, the draft that you have today is sort of a combination of that, along

1569
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:15,200
 with one, making sure we increase preservation and mitigation, look to unify landscaping

1570
01:48:15,200 --> 01:48:21,200
 and the Environmentally Sensitive Areas Standards, or ESA, and most importantly, that we comply

1571
01:48:21,200 --> 01:48:25,680
 with the Texas Local Government Code.

1572
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:29,840
 And so just to touch on some of the goals that we talked about, when we first sort of

1573
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:33,920
 stepped back and approached this one thing, we wanted to make sure that we -- you know,

1574
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:38,240
 what do we want to accomplish with this update?

1575
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:45,280
 And so we sort of laid out a couple of goals to really sort of guide us through -- guide

1576
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:49,600
 us through the process.

1577
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:55,200
 And then just to briefly touch on that House Bill 7 and what it did.

1578
01:48:55,200 --> 01:49:00,840
 So one thing -- what it did is it prohibits a city from requiring homeowners from paying

1579
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:07,880
 any mitigation fees or replanting for any tree under 10 inches at DBH, and DBH's diameter

1580
01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:12,120
 at breast height, which is a measurement of 4 1/2 feet above the ground.

1581
01:49:12,120 --> 01:49:21,040
 In addition to that, if the tree is diseased or dead, how diseased is defined, you know,

1582
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:27,600
 it was not included in that bill, as well as any tree that poses an imminent or immediate

1583
01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:29,480
 threat to persons or property.

1584
01:49:29,480 --> 01:49:34,080
 Again, not very well defined and could ultimately mean a lot of different things to different

1585
01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:37,600
 people.

1586
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:45,200
 Tree fee credits, that's also something that was new, that I don't think was in some of

1587
01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:50,160
 the other previous draft bills, so that any time a municipality imposes a tree mitigation

1588
01:49:50,160 --> 01:49:54,600
 fee for tree removal, they must allow that person to apply for a credit for tree planting

1589
01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:56,840
 to offset that amount.

1590
01:49:56,840 --> 01:50:03,240
 And that -- in order to do that, it must be planted on the property for where the mitigation

1591
01:50:03,240 --> 01:50:09,560
 fee was assessed, or in a mutually agreed upon area by the municipality and the person,

1592
01:50:09,560 --> 01:50:13,040
 and then be at least 2 inches in diameter at the point of the trunk, 4 1/2 feet above

1593
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:17,060
 the ground, or that DBH measurement.

1594
01:50:17,060 --> 01:50:25,720
 And then in addition, there's also language about a 50% credit for residential and a 40%

1595
01:50:25,720 --> 01:50:28,000
 credit for non-residential.

1596
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:34,280
 And as I stated, I think at the last meeting, we've seen this put in one or two codes already.

1597
01:50:34,280 --> 01:50:40,720
 A lot of people don't have yet to incorporate this into their development codes.

1598
01:50:40,720 --> 01:50:44,680
 And interestingly enough, everybody kind of reads this a little bit differently.

1599
01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:52,760
 So we took just a very liberal interpretation that -- just a 50% credit, and you'll see

1600
01:50:52,760 --> 01:50:58,600
 how that -- how we've worked that into the current draft.

1601
01:50:58,600 --> 01:51:02,680
 And so what I wanted to do, again, is now sort of step back, and so this is a little

1602
01:51:02,680 --> 01:51:05,520
 bit different, I think, than what we -- what I presented in the past.

1603
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:13,320
 I wanted to switch it up so everyone gets excited and energized.

1604
01:51:13,320 --> 01:51:16,800
 But really, what this does is it has four major elements.

1605
01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:22,800
 So it has -- combines environmentally sensitive area, regulations, tree preservation, buffer,

1606
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:24,840
 and landscape.

1607
01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:27,360
 And couples highlight changes.

1608
01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:31,680
 Preserved trees will now be able to count for landscape and canopy.

1609
01:51:31,680 --> 01:51:35,480
 New plannings require diversity of tree age and species.

1610
01:51:35,480 --> 01:51:39,680
 There's also a section on low impact development standards.

1611
01:51:39,680 --> 01:51:43,280
 There's no more credits available for pervious area.

1612
01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:48,360
 At times, people were able to put pavers in their driveway and count that towards meeting

1613
01:51:48,360 --> 01:51:51,240
 their open space or landscape requirements.

1614
01:51:51,240 --> 01:51:58,840
 And so that will be eliminated, as well as any credits for ESA for canopy or landscape.

1615
01:51:58,840 --> 01:52:06,120
 And we did create a buffer and landscape area point system, which we think is -- offers

1616
01:52:06,120 --> 01:52:11,820
 some flexibility, but also provides at least some level of assurances.

1617
01:52:11,820 --> 01:52:17,400
 And on the table that you see on the right, we have two sort of distinct measurements.

1618
01:52:17,400 --> 01:52:22,320
 One is the landscape area, and the second is the tree canopy cover.

1619
01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:27,920
 And these are essentially what's on the books today, and we're just carrying those forward.

1620
01:52:27,920 --> 01:52:34,960
 And so a couple changes on the applicability that I wanted to highlight.

1621
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:42,560
 We did strike most of the city facilities or projects that currently are exempt.

1622
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:47,640
 The only one that remained is the city airport, and they're sort of under separate guise as

1623
01:52:47,640 --> 01:52:51,640
 far as trees and obstructions with respect to the airport.

1624
01:52:51,640 --> 01:52:56,400
 But we also included in there single family and duplex lots with trees under 10 inches

1625
01:52:56,400 --> 01:52:57,400
 of DBH.

1626
01:52:57,400 --> 01:53:00,600
 Again, that's straight from the local government code.

1627
01:53:00,600 --> 01:53:06,680
 But this would require or this would apply now to single family or duplex lots if the

1628
01:53:06,680 --> 01:53:08,440
 tree was greater than 10 inches.

1629
01:53:08,440 --> 01:53:10,760
 Right now, it does not apply to single family.

1630
01:53:10,760 --> 01:53:15,800
 So this is a significant change in that it will apply to single family properties, at

1631
01:53:15,800 --> 01:53:19,080
 least in the current draft.

1632
01:53:19,080 --> 01:53:20,520
 And then these are the tree types.

1633
01:53:20,520 --> 01:53:27,880
 And so what I wanted to do here is just sort of use the existing definitions from the code

1634
01:53:27,880 --> 01:53:30,040
 just in sort of a strike through and underline.

1635
01:53:30,040 --> 01:53:34,840
 And so protected essentially is what we're calling now a heritage tree.

1636
01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:39,200
 And protected is sort of encumbering all of the trees.

1637
01:53:39,200 --> 01:53:44,940
 Quality tree is relatively the same.

1638
01:53:44,940 --> 01:53:49,400
 Secondary trees, we struck mesquite and locust.

1639
01:53:49,400 --> 01:53:52,480
 We're proposing that those trees be exempt.

1640
01:53:52,480 --> 01:53:55,320
 Initially, we didn't have large secondary trees.

1641
01:53:55,320 --> 01:53:59,600
 We were incorporating those into the heritage tree.

1642
01:53:59,600 --> 01:54:04,040
 But as we started to look at that and sort of run a couple different scenarios, it became

1643
01:54:04,040 --> 01:54:07,280
 a little bit more difficult with respect to the credits.

1644
01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:13,760
 And so while it's not in this current discussion draft, large secondary trees will be brought

1645
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:20,760
 back in and include all but the mesquite and locust.

1646
01:54:20,760 --> 01:54:26,140
 And so with that, we've created this non-protected tree list.

1647
01:54:26,140 --> 01:54:29,680
 And so you have the mesquite honey locust, again, unless it's part of a preserved habitat

1648
01:54:29,680 --> 01:54:34,860
 or conservation easement, which we'll get into in a little bit, crepe myrtle diseased

1649
01:54:34,860 --> 01:54:38,760
 or dead trees, trees that pose an imminent or immediate threat to a person's property

1650
01:54:38,760 --> 01:54:45,000
 or any tree listed on the Texas Department of Ag noxious and invasive plant list.

1651
01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:48,240
 And what I wanted to do, I don't want to spend a whole lot of time on this table, but I wanted

1652
01:54:48,240 --> 01:54:54,740
 to at least provide some rationale as to how when we really look to exempt those trees,

1653
01:54:54,740 --> 01:54:59,480
 some of the thought that went into it, it wasn't just because we didn't like the trees.

1654
01:54:59,480 --> 01:55:05,160
 While they do pose some challenges with the thorns, particularly the honey locust and

1655
01:55:05,160 --> 01:55:10,720
 even the mesquite to a certain extent, what we did is we pulled this from that 2016 State

1656
01:55:10,720 --> 01:55:12,800
 of Denton urban forest.

1657
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:17,480
 And what it did is it measured things based on a functional value, which looks at carbon

1658
01:55:17,480 --> 01:55:23,660
 sequestration, avoided runoff, pollution removal, energy costs and carbon emission reductions.

1659
01:55:23,660 --> 01:55:28,120
 And then it has a structural value, which is the replacement cost for the type of tree

1660
01:55:28,120 --> 01:55:30,580
 it is and carbon storage.

1661
01:55:30,580 --> 01:55:34,380
 And so when we really looked at this, thought it was interesting when you take the exempt

1662
01:55:34,380 --> 01:55:36,600
 or the honey locust and mesquite.

1663
01:55:36,600 --> 01:55:41,920
 So it's 8% of the population, it covers 2% of the leaf area, but provides no functional

1664
01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:42,920
 or structural value.

1665
01:55:42,920 --> 01:55:46,360
 Again, this is from that 2016 report.

1666
01:55:46,360 --> 01:55:52,080
 The mesquite provides a little bit of functional value, but no structural value.

1667
01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:57,560
 I'll just kind of roll down to the box down below.

1668
01:55:57,560 --> 01:56:04,120
 And so post oak and pecan make up 10% of the trees, 14% of the leaf area, but has 36%

1669
01:56:04,120 --> 01:56:07,400
 of the functional value and 29% of the structural value.

1670
01:56:07,400 --> 01:56:12,680
 And so if you look at pecan, that's only 1% of our population, but it provides 13% of

1671
01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:14,680
 the functional and 12% of the structural.

1672
01:56:14,680 --> 01:56:20,160
 So for just a small amount, it does a lot, if you will.

1673
01:56:20,160 --> 01:56:22,680
 And then the exempt and secondary trees.

1674
01:56:22,680 --> 01:56:30,280
 At one point, we were looking at having all secondary trees be exempt, but just looking

1675
01:56:30,280 --> 01:56:35,800
 at exempt and secondary together, they make up 36% of the trees, 31% of the leaf area,

1676
01:56:35,800 --> 01:56:40,600
 but only 18% of the functional value and only 12% of the structural value.

1677
01:56:40,600 --> 01:56:46,560
 And so that was part of the rationalities for us in looking at where should we put the

1678
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:53,400
 focus on preservation.

1679
01:56:53,400 --> 01:56:58,080
 And so what I want to do with that is just show, kind of go back again to where our current

1680
01:56:58,080 --> 01:56:59,080
 tree code is.

1681
01:56:59,080 --> 01:57:04,280
 And so I kind of grouped secondary and large secondary and then quality and protected.

1682
01:57:04,280 --> 01:57:10,160
 And then if you recall, we have different standards if you're considered infill or not.

1683
01:57:10,160 --> 01:57:16,480
 And so if you're infill, there's absolutely no preservation requirements, no minimum preservation.

1684
01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:25,080
 And there is some mitigation, but interestingly, it's only if you're greater than a half acre.

1685
01:57:25,080 --> 01:57:27,280
 And even then, it's not a lot.

1686
01:57:27,280 --> 01:57:35,400
 And then outside, if you're not considered an infill lot, again, it really focuses on

1687
01:57:35,400 --> 01:57:39,080
 quality and secondary and not large secondary or protected trees.

1688
01:57:39,080 --> 01:57:45,120
 So if you're a protected tree, you have to mitigate, but there's no minimum preservation

1689
01:57:45,120 --> 01:57:46,760
 requirement related to that.

1690
01:57:46,760 --> 01:57:52,520
 And I think that's where you see a lot of that, where people get upset where they see

1691
01:57:52,520 --> 01:57:58,000
 some larger trees being cut down or post oaks being cut down and mosquitoes are being saved

1692
01:57:58,000 --> 01:58:00,840
 or something less desirable.

1693
01:58:00,840 --> 01:58:06,040
 And it's because there's not a requirement to preserve those, at least, again, this is

1694
01:58:06,040 --> 01:58:08,700
 the current code today.

1695
01:58:08,700 --> 01:58:10,600
 And so these are the tables right from the code.

1696
01:58:10,600 --> 01:58:12,160
 I just want to kind of provide that summary.

1697
01:58:12,160 --> 01:58:18,720
 Just see where it is and the mitigation that's required.

1698
01:58:18,720 --> 01:58:25,020
 And here it is for non-infill lots.

1699
01:58:25,020 --> 01:58:31,080
 And so this is sort of a comparison of current versus proposed.

1700
01:58:31,080 --> 01:58:34,960
 And I didn't use the infill, I just used the non-infill.

1701
01:58:34,960 --> 01:58:42,160
 And so proposed minimum preservation, yes, for all tree types, and then -- I'm sorry,

1702
01:58:42,160 --> 01:58:44,300
 with the exception of secondary.

1703
01:58:44,300 --> 01:58:48,340
 And then proposed mitigation, yes, for all four types.

1704
01:58:48,340 --> 01:58:54,960
 And so you see where really the only change is at the secondary, where we're not requiring

1705
01:58:54,960 --> 01:58:59,440
 any minimum preservation.

1706
01:58:59,440 --> 01:59:03,800
 And so you may recall this graphic from the last meeting.

1707
01:59:03,800 --> 01:59:09,040
 What we did do is we revised where we had secondary, sort of pulled that off to the

1708
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:10,040
 side.

1709
01:59:10,040 --> 01:59:15,840
 Now, secondary, again, it's not required to be part of that 30 percent minimum preservation.

1710
01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:18,320
 However, there is a replacement rate.

1711
01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:22,440
 So it's really any tree that you remove, regardless of size.

1712
01:59:22,440 --> 01:59:26,600
 So it'd be six inches to 17.9 inches.

1713
01:59:26,600 --> 01:59:29,880
 You could remove, but you still have to mitigate.

1714
01:59:29,880 --> 01:59:35,920
 Rather than mitigate it for an inch basis, it's done at one replacement tree, and a replacement

1715
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:37,480
 tree has to be two inches.

1716
01:59:37,480 --> 01:59:41,840
 Again, that's -- we're using the local government code standard for that.

1717
01:59:41,840 --> 01:59:46,880
 So large secondary tree, instead of incorporating that into a heritage tree, it just kind of

1718
01:59:46,880 --> 01:59:48,360
 stands alone.

1719
01:59:48,360 --> 01:59:54,600
 And so if you're a boat art actor or a cottonwood, it can be included in that 30 percent.

1720
01:59:54,600 --> 01:59:57,240
 There's the replacement rate at two to one.

1721
01:59:57,240 --> 02:00:01,200
 And then there is that credit, again, that I'll go through the table.

1722
02:00:01,200 --> 02:00:07,640
 But there is zero preservation credit for the large secondary.

1723
02:00:07,640 --> 02:00:13,840
 If you recall, we also had some options since we were -- we took the credits out of -- for

1724
02:00:13,840 --> 02:00:14,840
 the ESO.

1725
02:00:14,840 --> 02:00:20,040
 So what we did is we came up with a -- what we called is a preserved habitat.

1726
02:00:20,040 --> 02:00:26,040
 And so if it's an expansion of an ESA area, you can reduce your minimum preservation down

1727
02:00:26,040 --> 02:00:27,960
 to 20 percent.

1728
02:00:27,960 --> 02:00:34,380
 However, it needs to be -- the preserved habitat needs to be 10 percent of the total site or

1729
02:00:34,380 --> 02:00:38,520
 a minimum of 5,000 square feet.

1730
02:00:38,520 --> 02:00:42,720
 And then if you don't have an ESA on this site, we looked at having the ability of someone

1731
02:00:42,720 --> 02:00:44,600
 to do a conservation easement.

1732
02:00:44,600 --> 02:00:52,560
 Again, you can go down to 20 percent and then 10 percent or 5,000.

1733
02:00:52,560 --> 02:00:57,160
 Now if you recall from that table, if you do have a -- particularly in the preserved

1734
02:00:57,160 --> 02:00:58,160
 habitat.

1735
02:00:58,160 --> 02:01:03,200
 So if you do -- if you are sort of carrying forward and that ESA happens to be a floodplain

1736
02:01:03,200 --> 02:01:10,560
 area that has multiple honey locusts or mosquitoes, those honey locusts or mosquitoes can be counted

1737
02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:13,280
 for in that preserved habitat.

1738
02:01:13,280 --> 02:01:19,240
 So that -- so it's not completely excluded, but rather than go in and disrupt a habitat

1739
02:01:19,240 --> 02:01:25,680
 or continuation of an ESA, we allowed that to count.

1740
02:01:25,680 --> 02:01:30,520
 And so what I did here is rather than pull a multitude of examples, I thought it might

1741
02:01:30,520 --> 02:01:34,780
 be easier to just make one up.

1742
02:01:34,780 --> 02:01:40,720
 So what I did is I used the iTree design, if you've ever -- I can send you all a link.

1743
02:01:40,720 --> 02:01:43,440
 It's actually a pretty cool software.

1744
02:01:43,440 --> 02:01:46,000
 So what I did is I chose this lot.

1745
02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:54,160
 It's about an acre, and I -- so the trees that you see in the column on the left, those

1746
02:01:54,160 --> 02:01:56,880
 are the trees that are representative there.

1747
02:01:56,880 --> 02:02:03,200
 And the canopy growth is essentially what they predicted that based on -- based on the

1748
02:02:03,200 --> 02:02:06,920
 data that they have within the iTree, and this is at -- at this time.

1749
02:02:06,920 --> 02:02:10,040
 So it's not a 20-year growth or 30-year growth.

1750
02:02:10,040 --> 02:02:14,280
 You can predict all of that, but for this exercise I did not.

1751
02:02:14,280 --> 02:02:18,960
 I know some of you may be counting it, saying you're missing a tree.

1752
02:02:18,960 --> 02:02:25,320
 Ironically, the mesquite is not -- was not a choice, it was not an option.

1753
02:02:25,320 --> 02:02:30,600
 And so at least under this exercise, they didn't recognize it as a tree, and so that's

1754
02:02:30,600 --> 02:02:36,760
 why you don't see it on the -- on the -- on the exercise.

1755
02:02:36,760 --> 02:02:42,640
 And so what I did is I took this and assumed that it was a one-acre infill parcel.

1756
02:02:42,640 --> 02:02:45,680
 Just to give you an idea of what it -- what it does.

1757
02:02:45,680 --> 02:02:48,240
 And so this is -- again, this is the current code.

1758
02:02:48,240 --> 02:02:55,000
 And so under the current code, there's zero preserved, and then mitigation would be 71.5

1759
02:02:55,000 --> 02:02:58,320
 inches or 36 trees we typically round up.

1760
02:02:58,320 --> 02:03:03,400
 Or if you just paid it, it would be just under $9,000.

1761
02:03:03,400 --> 02:03:10,640
 And then assuming that it wouldn't fall into a infill lot, it changes -- you do have some

1762
02:03:10,640 --> 02:03:15,520
 preserved trees, albeit 14 inches.

1763
02:03:15,520 --> 02:03:21,920
 If you look at the column under preserved, the -- what I have in parentheses, the 2 1/2,

1764
02:03:21,920 --> 02:03:27,320
 the 2 1/2 and 5, that's actually what would be required based on the code.

1765
02:03:27,320 --> 02:03:30,920
 And so because they don't have a tree that's small, so they're only required to preserve

1766
02:03:30,920 --> 02:03:32,560
 2 1/2 inches.

1767
02:03:32,560 --> 02:03:38,320
 And so because we just took the closest tree to that, and so that's why you have the 14

1768
02:03:38,320 --> 02:03:45,760
 inches, but technically only 5 inches would have been required to be preserved.

1769
02:03:45,760 --> 02:03:49,040
 So that's that 14 -- those 14 inches.

1770
02:03:49,040 --> 02:03:50,760
 So everything else could be taken down.

1771
02:03:50,760 --> 02:03:56,960
 And then there is some mitigation, either planting 62 trees or paying $15,000, just

1772
02:03:56,960 --> 02:03:57,960
 over $15,000.

1773
02:03:57,960 --> 02:04:01,920
 Again, this is the current code today.

1774
02:04:01,920 --> 02:04:08,360
 And so using that same example, I'm going to go through sort of what we're proposing

1775
02:04:08,360 --> 02:04:11,800
 in a couple different scenarios.

1776
02:04:11,800 --> 02:04:20,080
 And so under the first scenario, we looked at if you preserved all of the post oaks.

1777
02:04:20,080 --> 02:04:21,840
 And so this sort of carries forward.

1778
02:04:21,840 --> 02:04:30,680
 And if you look at the spreadsheet or the chart that's within the regulations, I thought

1779
02:04:30,680 --> 02:04:36,760
 this might be a little bit easier to follow, and I can't point to it, so I'll try to

1780
02:04:36,760 --> 02:04:39,720
 describe it as best I can.

1781
02:04:39,720 --> 02:04:44,120
 But really what we did is, so if you look at the heritage trees, 42 inches, that takes

1782
02:04:44,120 --> 02:04:50,360
 into account the pecan and the black walnut, the 22 and 20.

1783
02:04:50,360 --> 02:04:56,840
 Heritage post oak, there was zero removed, but that is the -- there's 24 inches total

1784
02:04:56,840 --> 02:05:01,540
 there, which you see down in the column for preserved.

1785
02:05:01,540 --> 02:05:08,760
 Quality trees, there was 12 inches removed.

1786
02:05:08,760 --> 02:05:16,520
 And then 8 inches that were preserved, that's the -- I'm sorry, that's the pecan.

1787
02:05:16,520 --> 02:05:21,280
 Large secondary, there were 19 removed.

1788
02:05:21,280 --> 02:05:24,720
 And then secondary, there were three trees.

1789
02:05:24,720 --> 02:05:28,680
 And so under calculated DBH, that's the multiplier.

1790
02:05:28,680 --> 02:05:39,080
 So it's three for heritage, quality is one and a half, and large secondary is one and

1791
02:05:39,080 --> 02:05:40,680
 a half.

1792
02:05:40,680 --> 02:05:45,480
 And then the three, that's the two inches, and so that's how that gets calculated.

1793
02:05:45,480 --> 02:05:49,720
 And then your preliminary, so that's your total calculated DBH.

1794
02:05:49,720 --> 02:05:58,680
 Eliminary mitigation DBH, which applies that 50% credit to that 188, gives you the 94.

1795
02:05:58,680 --> 02:06:06,160
 And so going down to the preserved section of this, there's the three multiplier, because

1796
02:06:06,160 --> 02:06:10,540
 you're preserving the post oak, so that brings it to 72.

1797
02:06:10,540 --> 02:06:18,200
 You get some, you get a half for quality trees, we put that at .5, and so there is some credit

1798
02:06:18,200 --> 02:06:23,760
 that you get for the quality, so your preserved credit is 76, so your total mitigation inches

1799
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:29,160
 would be 18 under this scenario.

1800
02:06:29,160 --> 02:06:40,440
 And then we did a -- I did a second scenario that removed all of the post oaks, removed

1801
02:06:40,440 --> 02:06:51,400
 all, but removed 20, I'm sorry, removed 22 inches of heritage, preserved the quality,

1802
02:06:51,400 --> 02:06:54,960
 removed large secondary, and then as well as the secondary.

1803
02:06:54,960 --> 02:06:59,680
 And so your total calculated DBH, 182, preliminary at 91.

1804
02:06:59,680 --> 02:07:04,880
 So your heritage, you do get that, you do get the credit.

1805
02:07:04,880 --> 02:07:09,200
 And then quality, you still get the credit, so your preserved credit is 50, which brings

1806
02:07:09,200 --> 02:07:11,000
 your mitigation inches at 41.

1807
02:07:11,000 --> 02:07:17,560
 And so again, same project, just different methods and options for somebody.

1808
02:07:17,560 --> 02:07:25,160
 And then I did a third option, just to kind of give you the look and feel of it all.

1809
02:07:25,160 --> 02:07:31,720
 So if they just preserved quality and large secondaries and decided to cut out all of

1810
02:07:31,720 --> 02:07:37,120
 the post oaks and all of the heritage trees, I won't go through the whole steps again,

1811
02:07:37,120 --> 02:07:43,760
 but you see your mitigation inches comes up drastically to 92.

1812
02:07:43,760 --> 02:07:48,720
 So really they have an option, they can go 18 if you preserve sort of the -- what we'll

1813
02:07:48,720 --> 02:07:54,040
 call the heritage trees, or if you want to go with the quality or smaller trees, then

1814
02:07:54,040 --> 02:07:58,920
 your mitigation will be much higher.

1815
02:07:58,920 --> 02:08:03,640
 And then as far as mitigation fee, the current fee is at 125.

1816
02:08:03,640 --> 02:08:13,240
 At one point we had proposed following a manual that references a calculation for tree, which

1817
02:08:13,240 --> 02:08:17,360
 was essentially came out to about 202 at DBH.

1818
02:08:17,360 --> 02:08:24,080
 We talked to parks to see what the actual cost, their cost is for that, and they're

1819
02:08:24,080 --> 02:08:26,440
 at 317 an inch.

1820
02:08:26,440 --> 02:08:31,520
 And so we don't know where -- this will be something ultimately that council decides,

1821
02:08:31,520 --> 02:08:37,080
 but most likely it will be greater -- I would anticipate it will be greater than 125.

1822
02:08:37,080 --> 02:08:41,000
 I can't say for certain, but at least that would be our recommendation.

1823
02:08:41,000 --> 02:08:45,840
 That I'll turn it to Hayley.

1824
02:08:45,840 --> 02:08:46,840
 >> All right.

1825
02:08:46,840 --> 02:08:50,640
 So the landscape code is one of the other big pieces of the draft that you have before

1826
02:08:50,640 --> 02:08:51,640
 you.

1827
02:08:51,640 --> 02:08:55,240
 And as Richard mentioned before, the primary change is that we're going from the very

1828
02:08:55,240 --> 02:09:00,400
 prescriptive standards we have now to a point system across the board.

1829
02:09:00,400 --> 02:09:04,520
 So the compatibility buffers between adjacent uses are one of the main components of the

1830
02:09:04,520 --> 02:09:06,200
 landscape code.

1831
02:09:06,200 --> 02:09:10,800
 What you can see here is that we would still maintain kind of the matrix we have in the

1832
02:09:10,800 --> 02:09:17,160
 code now where depending on your use, it would determine kind of how large and how intensive

1833
02:09:17,160 --> 02:09:18,640
 that buffer needs to be.

1834
02:09:18,640 --> 02:09:24,760
 So it would vary from no buffer at all between certain uses to needing either 10, 20 or 30

1835
02:09:24,760 --> 02:09:27,040
 points within your buffer area.

1836
02:09:27,040 --> 02:09:32,040
 And those points are attained from the second table that's in your draft, which is kind

1837
02:09:32,040 --> 02:09:36,560
 of the combination of proposed elements that could fit within that buffer to provide screening

1838
02:09:36,560 --> 02:09:40,040
 and some spatial separation between uses.

1839
02:09:40,040 --> 02:09:45,520
 So that's everything from wood fences, masonry walls, up to various combinations of trees

1840
02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:48,680
 and shrubs.

1841
02:09:48,680 --> 02:09:52,520
 As far as the remainder of the landscape code, you know, the right-of-way screening, parking

1842
02:09:52,520 --> 02:09:57,020
 lot landscaping, all of those things, we're going to a similar structure.

1843
02:09:57,020 --> 02:10:00,440
 Whereas our code now dictates, you know, a certain width of screening area depending

1844
02:10:00,440 --> 02:10:03,720
 on where your parking lot is and exactly what has to be in that.

1845
02:10:03,720 --> 02:10:06,040
 This would allow, once again, that flexibility.

1846
02:10:06,040 --> 02:10:10,360
 So within the table that we're about to look at, each site would have to choose two elements

1847
02:10:10,360 --> 02:10:14,120
 to provide right-of-way screening, two elements for internal parking lot landscaping, and

1848
02:10:14,120 --> 02:10:18,680
 then the remainder of the points required for the site, which is a total of 30, could

1849
02:10:18,680 --> 02:10:25,100
 be drawn from any of these various categories depending on what works best for the site.

1850
02:10:25,100 --> 02:10:28,080
 So again, kind of a menu board of options.

1851
02:10:28,080 --> 02:10:30,920
 As I mentioned, right-of-way screening is still an important aspect.

1852
02:10:30,920 --> 02:10:34,680
 So we would require that each site that has parking in front of their building choose

1853
02:10:34,680 --> 02:10:35,680
 two of these.

1854
02:10:35,680 --> 02:10:39,460
 If they just have dry vials in front of the building, that could be reduced to one.

1855
02:10:39,460 --> 02:10:46,020
 So again, that's a combination of either berms, trees, shrubs, or some sort of low wall.

1856
02:10:46,020 --> 02:10:51,120
 And then within the parking lot, again, whereas now the code just says you have to have 7%

1857
02:10:51,120 --> 02:10:56,160
 landscaping, 15% tree canopy, and then depending on the size of your parking lot, it dictates

1858
02:10:56,160 --> 02:11:00,080
 how often you have to have landscape islands, this would just require that you pick at least

1859
02:11:00,080 --> 02:11:02,880
 two of these things and incorporate them in your parking lot.

1860
02:11:02,880 --> 02:11:07,240
 So end caps, internal islands, or landscape medians could be an option that our current

1861
02:11:07,240 --> 02:11:10,240
 code doesn't provide for.

1862
02:11:10,240 --> 02:11:14,280
 And then in terms of the remainder of your site landscaping, there are a wide variety

1863
02:11:14,280 --> 02:11:16,820
 of things that could give you credit towards that.

1864
02:11:16,820 --> 02:11:21,020
 Some of that would be encouraging drought tolerant plants and things of that nature with

1865
02:11:21,020 --> 02:11:22,020
 in your site.

1866
02:11:22,020 --> 02:11:26,000
 But it also includes things that we don't have in our code now, such as allowing rooftop

1867
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:31,280
 vegetation to count, living walls on a building could now be an option.

1868
02:11:31,280 --> 02:11:35,400
 And then a new one that we've added recently is the Butterflyer Pollinator Gardens, since

1869
02:11:35,400 --> 02:11:37,440
 Stinton has been designated as a monarch city.

1870
02:11:37,440 --> 02:11:42,160
 So to go along with that, we added that as another option.

1871
02:11:42,160 --> 02:11:46,580
 So I wanted to kind of look at an example, we won't get into it in too much detail.

1872
02:11:46,580 --> 02:11:50,880
 Some of you may remember a recent ADP that we had just earlier this year for a church

1873
02:11:50,880 --> 02:11:52,740
 at the corner of Latimer and Audra.

1874
02:11:52,740 --> 02:11:56,680
 They actually had an ADP back in 2009 for some of their landscaping.

1875
02:11:56,680 --> 02:11:59,880
 And then when they added onto their parking lot, they had to come back to revise that

1876
02:11:59,880 --> 02:12:05,920
 ADP and request some new deviations from the code, because of their unique site features,

1877
02:12:05,920 --> 02:12:10,280
 such as this large drainage channel in the front of the property.

1878
02:12:10,280 --> 02:12:14,320
 So we won't get into this in too much detail, but this table kind of outlines what the original

1879
02:12:14,320 --> 02:12:20,180
 ADP was for, what their update was for, and then how this could change under the new code.

1880
02:12:20,180 --> 02:12:24,920
 So the site, because of its zoning of NR4, requires 50 percent tree canopy.

1881
02:12:24,920 --> 02:12:29,980
 We are proposing that that standard remain in the code, and one of the points of discussion

1882
02:12:29,980 --> 02:12:33,840
 that we would like to bring to you all and council ultimately is how we could provide

1883
02:12:33,840 --> 02:12:35,880
 some relief for that.

1884
02:12:35,880 --> 02:12:39,920
 What we've had but we haven't put into the draft yet would be, rather we would allow

1885
02:12:39,920 --> 02:12:43,040
 payments into the tree fund to be made if someone couldn't provide all their canopy

1886
02:12:43,040 --> 02:12:44,040
 on site.

1887
02:12:44,040 --> 02:12:47,640
 Could they make payment to allow those trees to be planted elsewhere in the city so that

1888
02:12:47,640 --> 02:12:50,280
 we still get that canopy in the end.

1889
02:12:50,280 --> 02:12:53,000
 But again, that's not in the code now, so that may still be a thing that we would see

1890
02:12:53,000 --> 02:12:56,200
 occasional alternative development plans for.

1891
02:12:56,200 --> 02:12:59,400
 A second requirement of the site was a Type C buffer.

1892
02:12:59,400 --> 02:13:03,360
 Part of their ADP both times around was that they didn't want to provide that buffer on

1893
02:13:03,360 --> 02:13:04,360
 site.

1894
02:13:04,360 --> 02:13:06,600
 They thought the lot was large enough and they were separated enough from the single

1895
02:13:06,600 --> 02:13:12,640
 family home that that wasn't necessary, and that was approved with those ADPs.

1896
02:13:12,640 --> 02:13:16,520
 There is an existing wood fence on the site, which under our proposed code would have allowed

1897
02:13:16,520 --> 02:13:20,320
 them to at least attain some sort of buffer and get credit for that fence where the current

1898
02:13:20,320 --> 02:13:22,240
 code doesn't allow it.

1899
02:13:22,240 --> 02:13:26,760
 So again, it could have at least reduced the need for that ADP in this case.

1900
02:13:26,760 --> 02:13:30,360
 And then the other piece was their screening along the right-of-way.

1901
02:13:30,360 --> 02:13:35,440
 As you can see here on the far left, the current code has a very specific set of four things

1902
02:13:35,440 --> 02:13:37,760
 that you have to have if you have front parking.

1903
02:13:37,760 --> 02:13:43,240
 So that 15 foot wide area has to contain a berm, one of those two combinations of trees

1904
02:13:43,240 --> 02:13:46,840
 and then either a wall, shrubs, or zero scaping.

1905
02:13:46,840 --> 02:13:50,640
 As I showed you on their landscape plan, they have this huge drainage feature in front of

1906
02:13:50,640 --> 02:13:54,840
 the property that made it very challenging for them to fit that in there because trees

1907
02:13:54,840 --> 02:13:58,660
 are not encouraged in drainage easements.

1908
02:13:58,660 --> 02:14:02,560
 So what they ended up doing was kind of mixing the site around and providing a few trees

1909
02:14:02,560 --> 02:14:06,880
 where they could and then enhancing the site with additional shrubs.

1910
02:14:06,880 --> 02:14:10,040
 With what we're proposing now, they could have selected options that would have eliminated

1911
02:14:10,040 --> 02:14:15,840
 the need for the ADP for that particular challenge, because they could have fit in a cluster of

1912
02:14:15,840 --> 02:14:19,960
 trees, a low wall or things like that that would have worked on the site and allowed

1913
02:14:19,960 --> 02:14:24,000
 them to still provide screening but not have to come before you all to request the deviation

1914
02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:27,560
 from the code.

1915
02:14:27,560 --> 02:14:31,720
 And then the final thing here is we just wanted to show you kind of the anticipated schedule

1916
02:14:31,720 --> 02:14:34,440
 for how this will move forward from here.

1917
02:14:34,440 --> 02:14:38,480
 So we are planning a series of kind of community and stakeholder meetings with the various groups

1918
02:14:38,480 --> 02:14:42,480
 such as the developers, keep it in beautiful some of those groups that would be interested

1919
02:14:42,480 --> 02:14:46,920
 in this and that will occur this month and on through January and maybe a little beyond

1920
02:14:46,920 --> 02:14:48,920
 that.

1921
02:14:48,920 --> 02:14:52,640
 And then we are looking to bring this back in January for another public hearing with

1922
02:14:52,640 --> 02:14:56,080
 a more finalized draft at that point that we would be considering implementing.

1923
02:14:56,080 --> 02:15:01,160
 And then ultimately city council, this shows February, I believe that February 19th meeting

1924
02:15:01,160 --> 02:15:05,640
 has been canceled, so it would probably be early March that it would go to city council

1925
02:15:05,640 --> 02:15:13,000
 if we stay on this timeline and we can go backwards, answer any questions, whatever you

1926
02:15:13,000 --> 02:15:16,920
 all would like to do at this point.

1927
02:15:16,920 --> 02:15:22,000
 I don't see any questions from the commission at the moment, but this is a public hearing.

1928
02:15:22,000 --> 02:15:36,800
 I don't have any cards for this unless this is one coming here, and it is.

1929
02:15:36,800 --> 02:15:41,880
 Rick I'm sorry, I can't read your last name.

1930
02:15:41,880 --> 02:15:54,120
 Come on down and talk to us. Sorry, my handwriting is not very good, but

1931
02:15:54,120 --> 02:15:55,120
 my name is Rick Barry.

1932
02:15:55,120 --> 02:15:56,120
 I live in Denton.

1933
02:15:56,120 --> 02:16:04,080
 I'm at 5112 Edwards Road and I just want to say that I think the staff should be congratulated.

1934
02:16:04,080 --> 02:16:09,400
 It's been a long, long, long time coming.

1935
02:16:09,400 --> 02:16:12,560
 And every time I read it, it gets better.

1936
02:16:12,560 --> 02:16:16,520
 And if I have any quibbles, they're small.

1937
02:16:16,520 --> 02:16:22,040
 As someone who does tree surveys from time to time, there are a few things that I might

1938
02:16:22,040 --> 02:16:26,960
 point out that I'm not sure that they're needed, that might be helpful, and I'll just address

1939
02:16:26,960 --> 02:16:29,480
 a couple of those.

1940
02:16:29,480 --> 02:16:32,920
 One of them, let's see, there's a few here.

1941
02:16:32,920 --> 02:16:42,280
 The section that's, section F starts at 586, Tree Survey and Preservation Plan.

1942
02:16:42,280 --> 02:16:46,200
 We're asked to provide the common and scientific name of each tree.

1943
02:16:46,200 --> 02:16:50,280
 That's fine, but you remember these are going to be presented probably as an Excel spreadsheet.

1944
02:16:50,280 --> 02:16:53,440
 That's generally the way it's done, so let's just one more column.

1945
02:16:53,440 --> 02:16:57,840
 And if we already know the name of the tree, why do we need two?

1946
02:16:57,840 --> 02:17:03,440
 Then the other one is diameter, oh, that's great, condition of the tree.

1947
02:17:03,440 --> 02:17:08,040
 I usually make notes, I have a section for notes.

1948
02:17:08,040 --> 02:17:12,600
 Average canopy spread, don't know that that's necessary if we're not really registering

1949
02:17:12,600 --> 02:17:14,080
 canopy in the first place.

1950
02:17:14,080 --> 02:17:21,920
 We're really, this is a system that uses tree diameter, and that makes at least two, sometimes

1951
02:17:21,920 --> 02:17:27,400
 four other measurements that would have to be done for that tree by the surveyor, not

1952
02:17:27,400 --> 02:17:31,440
 just by someone like me who's measuring it and writing down the condition and what type

1953
02:17:31,440 --> 02:17:33,560
 of tree it is.

1954
02:17:33,560 --> 02:17:39,360
 And then the number eight, location coordinates and state plane data, and I don't think that's

1955
02:17:39,360 --> 02:17:41,380
 necessary either.

1956
02:17:41,380 --> 02:17:45,840
 If the trees are kind of sparse and are out in the middle of a field, well, if someone

1957
02:17:45,840 --> 02:17:49,160
 from the city wants to check our work, then they can walk out and pretty much look at

1958
02:17:49,160 --> 02:17:53,120
 the map and see that's that tree and check the numbers.

1959
02:17:53,120 --> 02:17:57,120
 If they're close enough to where you need them to be numbered and you need the northing

1960
02:17:57,120 --> 02:18:02,700
 and the easting, I would say that most likely the handheld that would be used by someone

1961
02:18:02,700 --> 02:18:06,920
 working for the city of Denton would not be accurate enough to make much difference.

1962
02:18:06,920 --> 02:18:11,260
 You might get within 10 feet, but there could be three or four trees right there.

1963
02:18:11,260 --> 02:18:13,480
 So I don't know that that's necessary.

1964
02:18:13,480 --> 02:18:17,780
 And those data, if you want to carry them out as far as you need to to make it accurate,

1965
02:18:17,780 --> 02:18:21,300
 I think it goes, I don't know, eight or 12 decimal places.

1966
02:18:21,300 --> 02:18:22,840
 So I don't think that's necessary.

1967
02:18:22,840 --> 02:18:26,880
 I have a few other things, but I can see that I'm about to run out of time.

1968
02:18:26,880 --> 02:18:30,960
 But most of it has to do with the type of trees.

1969
02:18:30,960 --> 02:18:36,240
 I think that, yes, all trees do provide us with shelter and they provide us with a lot

1970
02:18:36,240 --> 02:18:40,180
 of benefits, but some trees are just better than others.

1971
02:18:40,180 --> 02:18:43,960
 And I think that we've lumped them into two large groups here.

1972
02:18:43,960 --> 02:18:49,680
 I'd like to see some of the trees not considered to be quality trees because they're not quality.

1973
02:18:49,680 --> 02:18:56,480
 And I guess I'll just leave it at that and say thank you for your time.

1974
02:18:56,480 --> 02:19:01,060
 Thank you, Mr. Barrio.

1975
02:19:01,060 --> 02:19:04,880
 Anyone else wishing to speak on this item?

1976
02:19:04,880 --> 02:19:15,600
 Okay, seeing none, I will close the public hearing and entertain any discussion from

1977
02:19:15,600 --> 02:19:21,840
 the commission.

1978
02:19:21,840 --> 02:19:22,840
 Commissioner Smith?

1979
02:19:22,840 --> 02:19:23,840
 Motion for approval.

1980
02:19:23,840 --> 02:19:32,400
 We'll be bringing the draft back.

1981
02:19:32,400 --> 02:19:36,440
 So actually, I don't, I just had it as a public hearing so we can take input.

1982
02:19:36,440 --> 02:19:39,760
 Do we need a motion to table then?

1983
02:19:39,760 --> 02:19:40,760
 What's the?

1984
02:19:40,760 --> 02:19:44,720
 How about a motion to postpone indefinitely?

1985
02:19:44,720 --> 02:19:49,680
 And the staff will bring it back according to the anticipated schedule to be sent possible.

1986
02:19:49,680 --> 02:19:54,440
 Revise a motion for motion to postpone indefinitely.

1987
02:19:54,440 --> 02:19:58,000
 Commissioner Beck?

1988
02:19:58,000 --> 02:20:04,000
 Okay, we have a motion on the floor to postpone.

1989
02:20:04,000 --> 02:20:05,000
 Any discussion?

1990
02:20:05,000 --> 02:20:20,640
 Okay, let's call for a vote.

1991
02:20:20,640 --> 02:20:23,640
 Motion carries 6-0.

1992
02:20:23,640 --> 02:20:25,720
 Thank you for your hard work, Richard.

1993
02:20:25,720 --> 02:20:28,080
 I think that showed up as a motion to approve.

1994
02:20:28,080 --> 02:20:30,440
 Was it shown in the minutes as a motion to postpone?

1995
02:20:30,440 --> 02:20:31,440
 Okay.

1996
02:20:31,440 --> 02:20:41,560
 I just wanted to let, for those watching or those in the audience, we do have a comment

1997
02:20:41,560 --> 02:20:50,000
 form on the website, so if you do have additional comments, you can enter them there or reach

1998
02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:51,000
 out to me directly.

1999
02:20:51,000 --> 02:20:56,080
 I'd be more than happy to sit down and go through your comments.

2000
02:20:56,080 --> 02:21:00,560
 I know you're on that first committee, so.

2001
02:21:00,560 --> 02:21:01,560
 Thank you, Richard.

2002
02:21:01,560 --> 02:21:07,200
 Okay, that moves us to next public hearing item, PZ18179.

2003
02:21:07,200 --> 02:21:14,360
 At this time, I'll open the public hearing and bring up Ron Mangida.

2004
02:21:14,360 --> 02:21:17,640
 Thank you, Madam Vice Chair, members of the commission.

2005
02:21:17,640 --> 02:21:26,520
 This presentation, just to clarify, is for the commission to consider a future resolution

2006
02:21:26,520 --> 02:21:35,880
 that City Council will consider on recommendations that are part of a steering committee's task

2007
02:21:35,880 --> 02:21:39,360
 to identify some improvements or enhancement for the area.

2008
02:21:39,360 --> 02:21:47,280
 It is not tied to an update to the comprehensive plan, but rather just recommendations as directed

2009
02:21:47,280 --> 02:21:51,640
 by our council to work on an area plan.

2010
02:21:51,640 --> 02:21:58,520
 Started in this presentation will be a purpose, a history of the area, a couple background

2011
02:21:58,520 --> 02:22:04,200
 information as it relates to how we start this process, the steering committee, their

2012
02:22:04,200 --> 02:22:10,720
 meetings that they've held, public outreach efforts throughout the process, and then we'll

2013
02:22:10,720 --> 02:22:17,120
 get into the draft vision statements, the goals, the recommendations again, and then

2014
02:22:17,120 --> 02:22:25,200
 the implementation strategy to how these recommendations are to be implemented.

2015
02:22:25,200 --> 02:22:32,000
 Looking at the Dem Plan 2030 as a guide, we have a vision statement that provides the

2016
02:22:32,000 --> 02:22:38,040
 citizens and the City Council what we want to see the city be in the next 20 years, 50,

2017
02:22:38,040 --> 02:22:39,040
 20 years.

2018
02:22:39,040 --> 02:22:45,880
 We want to see that we retain our sense of community, share values, welcome arrivals,

2019
02:22:45,880 --> 02:22:49,640
 and celebrate the growing diversity that we have.

2020
02:22:49,640 --> 02:22:55,960
 We want to see our established neighborhoods where revitalization and compatible infill

2021
02:22:55,960 --> 02:23:00,920
 contributes to a stable, livable, and historic character that fosters neighborhood pride

2022
02:23:00,920 --> 02:23:03,920
 and homeownership.

2023
02:23:03,920 --> 02:23:08,800
 Specifically there's a goal in the comprehensive plan that talks about small area plans.

2024
02:23:08,800 --> 02:23:16,080
 They identify it as a way of preserving and enhancing a character or district in areas

2025
02:23:16,080 --> 02:23:18,520
 of an area.

2026
02:23:18,520 --> 02:23:26,560
 Following that action is identification of a neighborhood university compatibility area.

2027
02:23:26,560 --> 02:23:32,240
 In that area, I'm going to skip a slide here, in that area that we're talking about

2028
02:23:32,240 --> 02:23:35,360
 is the lighter blue area that we see here.

2029
02:23:35,360 --> 02:23:39,040
 The area that's light blue is the neighborhood compatibility area.

2030
02:23:39,040 --> 02:23:45,760
 The darker blue is the UNT property, which is considered a government as well as institutional

2031
02:23:45,760 --> 02:23:47,080
 future land use.

2032
02:23:47,080 --> 02:23:52,960
 We also see some low density or low residential to the north, shown here in yellow, and then

2033
02:23:52,960 --> 02:23:53,960
 commercial along I-35.

2034
02:23:53,960 --> 02:23:59,600
 A little bit of history of the area.

2035
02:23:59,600 --> 02:24:07,440
 I think everyone knows the downtown is right here on Hickory, Oak, Elm, Locust.

2036
02:24:07,440 --> 02:24:13,540
 What I wanted for you all to take out of this slide is the area to the west.

2037
02:24:13,540 --> 02:24:16,440
 You see that back in 1883.

2038
02:24:16,440 --> 02:24:17,880
 There really wasn't anything.

2039
02:24:17,880 --> 02:24:20,720
 We got our downtown, but growth was coming.

2040
02:24:20,720 --> 02:24:26,400
 Part of that growth was the University of North Texas back in 1890.

2041
02:24:26,400 --> 02:24:29,300
 It was called Normal College.

2042
02:24:29,300 --> 02:24:35,180
 Just to illustrate that, back in 1950, there was no highway.

2043
02:24:35,180 --> 02:24:37,000
 There was no highway in the area.

2044
02:24:37,000 --> 02:24:40,880
 This was just our city.

2045
02:24:40,880 --> 02:24:45,440
 I want to point out as well that Bonnie Bray, further out, there really wasn't anything

2046
02:24:45,440 --> 02:24:48,960
 past that, but there was development, again, in 1950.

2047
02:24:48,960 --> 02:24:54,600
 As you all know, we grew from that to where we are today.

2048
02:24:54,600 --> 02:24:59,920
 In fact, this area I read that it was served by a trolley system.

2049
02:24:59,920 --> 02:25:04,040
 That trolley system started at the train depot back on Railroad and Hickory.

2050
02:25:04,040 --> 02:25:11,760
 It extended heading west on Hickory, turning north on Elm, and then further west on Oak.

2051
02:25:11,760 --> 02:25:18,080
 This image to the top illustrates that trolley that was traveling along Oak, making its way

2052
02:25:18,080 --> 02:25:23,560
 eventually to Avenue C, heading south to an area called Highland Park.

2053
02:25:23,560 --> 02:25:30,000
 That park was the terminus to one end, and the trolley would go back and serve, again,

2054
02:25:30,000 --> 02:25:37,600
 not only the university or the campus, but also the area that we're talking about today,

2055
02:25:37,600 --> 02:25:39,840
 tonight.

2056
02:25:39,840 --> 02:25:46,000
 These illustrations here just, again, help explain that in 1957, the highway came that

2057
02:25:46,000 --> 02:25:54,480
 you see now here, and then later in the coming years, I-35W was installed or constructed.

2058
02:25:54,480 --> 02:26:00,440
 Just to give you a little context that the area's already filled in by this time with

2059
02:26:00,440 --> 02:26:07,560
 the university expansions, as well as additional development within the area.

2060
02:26:07,560 --> 02:26:09,640
 Why are we doing an area plan?

2061
02:26:09,640 --> 02:26:11,280
 Why is it important that we do that?

2062
02:26:11,280 --> 02:26:16,320
 Well, one, the comprehensive plan is a direction that we need to look at, that neighborhood

2063
02:26:16,320 --> 02:26:20,720
 compatibility area, those areas in light blue.

2064
02:26:20,720 --> 02:26:26,440
 As a result, we also dealt with a proposed mixed-use development.

2065
02:26:26,440 --> 02:26:32,160
 Some of you may recognize this proposed development between Oak and Hickory right there, between

2066
02:26:32,160 --> 02:26:35,000
 Avenue B and Fry Street.

2067
02:26:35,000 --> 02:26:40,040
 That proposed development required an amendment to the Fry Street Overlay District.

2068
02:26:40,040 --> 02:26:42,000
 It ultimately didn't pass.

2069
02:26:42,000 --> 02:26:48,360
 It was withdrawn at the last city council, but the concerns that were raised as part

2070
02:26:48,360 --> 02:26:55,960
 of that process dealt with traffic, parking, neighborhood compatibility, the noise and

2071
02:26:55,960 --> 02:26:59,480
 safety associated with this development.

2072
02:26:59,480 --> 02:27:05,720
 That raised some questions and some need for an area plan, an idea to be more proactive

2073
02:27:05,720 --> 02:27:09,240
 in how do we address these concerns.

2074
02:27:09,240 --> 02:27:13,280
 That was the Fry Street small area plan.

2075
02:27:13,280 --> 02:27:16,880
 That area plan here is shown in red.

2076
02:27:16,880 --> 02:27:24,400
 It's a very small area compared to the larger area, which is the Oak Gateway area plan.

2077
02:27:24,400 --> 02:27:28,520
 The reason why we chose a larger area, because it's really not a small area plan.

2078
02:27:28,520 --> 02:27:32,880
 It's a fairly large area, but we really wanted to make sure we comprehensively looked at

2079
02:27:32,880 --> 02:27:36,120
 this planning study area for the following reasons.

2080
02:27:36,120 --> 02:27:42,720
 Again, the comprehensive plan directed that this area be looked at, maybe a small area

2081
02:27:42,720 --> 02:27:44,800
 plan, which we're doing.

2082
02:27:44,800 --> 02:27:49,280
 Development pressure was coming, not only to this area, which is Fry Street area, but

2083
02:27:49,280 --> 02:27:50,280
 to the north.

2084
02:27:50,280 --> 02:27:56,480
 There's development pressure, although on the other side as well, on the west side.

2085
02:27:56,480 --> 02:27:58,120
 It didn't make sense to just look at this area.

2086
02:27:58,120 --> 02:28:02,920
 We needed to look at the greater area, which involves the area to the west, to the east,

2087
02:28:02,920 --> 02:28:06,240
 and to the south of the university.

2088
02:28:06,240 --> 02:28:08,920
 Areas of concern, the areas of concern is to the north.

2089
02:28:08,920 --> 02:28:13,400
 We've got historic districts, the West Oak Historic District, the Oak Gateway Historic

2090
02:28:13,400 --> 02:28:18,520
 District, as well as the residential areas to the north.

2091
02:28:18,520 --> 02:28:27,640
 Again, looking at a possibility of some special purpose overlay districts to, again, be proactive

2092
02:28:27,640 --> 02:28:31,840
 to look at how we can protect some areas, but also to be able to enhance some areas

2093
02:28:31,840 --> 02:28:34,700
 that we feel needs to be enhanced.

2094
02:28:34,700 --> 02:28:37,040
 We know that the University of North Texas is going to grow.

2095
02:28:37,040 --> 02:28:38,160
 It continues to grow.

2096
02:28:38,160 --> 02:28:45,240
 It's projected to grow another 5,000 enrollment students by 2030, and that growth has got

2097
02:28:45,240 --> 02:28:46,240
 to go somewhere.

2098
02:28:46,240 --> 02:28:51,880
 We want to make sure that we're, again, proactive as to where they're supposed to be, but also

2099
02:28:51,880 --> 02:28:57,640
 address some of the concerns that relates to the pedestrian and the traffic and the

2100
02:28:57,640 --> 02:29:04,280
 parking and all that other stuff that we heard from the community.

2101
02:29:04,280 --> 02:29:10,600
 On January 16, 2016, the City Council directed staff to start that process for an amendment

2102
02:29:10,600 --> 02:29:15,560
 to the overlay small-year plan.

2103
02:29:15,560 --> 02:29:16,560
 There were some discussions.

2104
02:29:16,560 --> 02:29:17,560
 It went back and forth.

2105
02:29:17,560 --> 02:29:24,000
 It took a little bit over a year to finally determine that we needed to hire a consultant,

2106
02:29:24,000 --> 02:29:30,960
 and that meant that we needed to select one in order to start the old Gateway Area Plan.

2107
02:29:30,960 --> 02:29:37,800
 Officially, the Gateway Plan started on September 13, 2017, and then a committee was selected

2108
02:29:37,800 --> 02:29:41,400
 and started the work on November 7, 2017.

2109
02:29:41,400 --> 02:29:47,960
 This photo just illustrates the first meeting that we held as part of the committee.

2110
02:29:47,960 --> 02:29:52,280
 We started the committee with 24, and that's a lot of committee members, but we wanted

2111
02:29:52,280 --> 02:29:56,760
 to make sure we had a representation in all stakes.

2112
02:29:56,760 --> 02:30:03,600
 You see here, we've got residents, we've got business owners, DCTA and UNT was represented,

2113
02:30:03,600 --> 02:30:08,400
 builders, bicyclists, UNT student representative.

2114
02:30:08,400 --> 02:30:12,160
 Some of the steering committee members are here.

2115
02:30:12,160 --> 02:30:15,840
 Some of them will actually present part of this presentation.

2116
02:30:15,840 --> 02:30:20,800
 You can see that their dedication in this plan carries today because they're here making

2117
02:30:20,800 --> 02:30:22,480
 this presentation.

2118
02:30:22,480 --> 02:30:29,040
 Ultimately, we could not make quorum in some meetings, so we asked council to reduce the

2119
02:30:29,040 --> 02:30:30,040
 number.

2120
02:30:30,040 --> 02:30:33,000
 We went from 24 to 17, which helped.

2121
02:30:33,000 --> 02:30:39,200
 We were able to get quorum and make some decisions and recommendations.

2122
02:30:39,200 --> 02:30:44,680
 As part of your backup, you have those recommendations that the committee has reviewed, drafted,

2123
02:30:44,680 --> 02:30:48,120
 and recommended.

2124
02:30:48,120 --> 02:30:53,760
 They did this through 20 plus meetings held at the Development Service Center.

2125
02:30:53,760 --> 02:31:00,280
 We did some area plan tours where we got into some vans and drove around the areas, because

2126
02:31:00,280 --> 02:31:03,480
 it's a large area, and we wanted to make sure we understood what was happening in those

2127
02:31:03,480 --> 02:31:04,480
 areas.

2128
02:31:04,480 --> 02:31:08,800
 We wanted to make sure that they knew what those areas were or what they are.

2129
02:31:08,800 --> 02:31:14,600
 We also did walking tours, walked the area, identified where there were concerns.

2130
02:31:14,600 --> 02:31:23,440
 This photo here is off of scripture, and I want to say ponder.

2131
02:31:23,440 --> 02:31:30,200
 Starting with the work that the consultant did, we held a community workshop where we

2132
02:31:30,200 --> 02:31:36,440
 had over 125 people attend, which is a great turnout to get their input, to understand

2133
02:31:36,440 --> 02:31:41,880
 what their concerns, and to confirm some of the things that we already knew.

2134
02:31:41,880 --> 02:31:47,160
 On November of this year, just a month ago, we held a follow-up public open house to share

2135
02:31:47,160 --> 02:31:58,920
 with the public what we have drafted in regards to visions, to goals, and to recommendations.

2136
02:31:58,920 --> 02:32:06,880
 Before we continue, I want to introduce our vice chair, who's going to make the next

2137
02:32:06,880 --> 02:32:08,880
 presentation on the next few slides.

2138
02:32:08,880 --> 02:32:15,400
 If the commission does not have any questions, I'd like to invite Patrice Lyke to make the

2139
02:32:15,400 --> 02:32:16,400
 next presentation.

2140
02:32:16,400 --> 02:32:17,400
 Thank you.

2141
02:32:17,400 --> 02:32:18,400
 Patrice Lyke, 1109 Eagan.

2142
02:32:18,400 --> 02:32:31,980
 The first part that I'll be talking about here are the draft vision statements.

2143
02:32:31,980 --> 02:32:35,920
 One of the first things we recognized that we needed to do, because this small area plan

2144
02:32:35,920 --> 02:32:42,480
 is such a big area, was to divide the area into these three areas.

2145
02:32:42,480 --> 02:32:47,320
 There are many shared goals among these three areas.

2146
02:32:47,320 --> 02:32:55,000
 However, each of these areas does have a set of individual characteristics that we wanted

2147
02:32:55,000 --> 02:32:58,760
 to particularly point out.

2148
02:32:58,760 --> 02:33:02,600
 This is going to be a reference point when we're thinking about future development coming

2149
02:33:02,600 --> 02:33:04,640
 to any of these areas.

2150
02:33:04,640 --> 02:33:09,880
 This will be a reference point for planning and zoning to look back to, for the city council

2151
02:33:09,880 --> 02:33:11,080
 to look back to.

2152
02:33:11,080 --> 02:33:17,280
 It is important that we do make some good choices as we're moving forward.

2153
02:33:17,280 --> 02:33:21,760
 With sub area one, when we're talking about a walkable neighborhood in which to live,

2154
02:33:21,760 --> 02:33:28,240
 work, and play, there's emphasis here on the historical character in the sub area.

2155
02:33:28,240 --> 02:33:33,640
 I'd like to point out that there are a lot of UNT faculty and staff that live in sub

2156
02:33:33,640 --> 02:33:38,960
 area one, so it is a super walkable area.

2157
02:33:38,960 --> 02:33:48,040
 The northern terminus of the sub area is Panhandle, and that neighborhood to the south of Panhandle,

2158
02:33:48,040 --> 02:33:54,320
 including West Oak, including Eagan Panhandle, Congress, including Oak Hickory, is really

2159
02:33:54,320 --> 02:33:57,920
 full of people who walk to work.

2160
02:33:57,920 --> 02:34:05,760
 We looked at that as a very important piece, that the walkability, the bikeability is maintained

2161
02:34:05,760 --> 02:34:07,560
 in that area.

2162
02:34:07,560 --> 02:34:17,840
 We're also looking at the contextual compatibility in any proposed revitalization in the area.

2163
02:34:17,840 --> 02:34:25,560
 In sub area one, right now, there is some zoning in here that we hope will be changed

2164
02:34:25,560 --> 02:34:34,440
 that with the updated DDC that some of the zoning will become more neighborhood compatible.

2165
02:34:34,440 --> 02:34:40,520
 Right now, some of the zoning in here is in place from when Flow Hospital was there, and

2166
02:34:40,520 --> 02:34:45,880
 there were offices, there were businesses, there were neighborhoods scaled that supported

2167
02:34:45,880 --> 02:34:51,480
 the hospital and the people, of course, visiting their friends in the hospital, but not all

2168
02:34:51,480 --> 02:34:57,680
 of that zoning is genuinely compatible with the future that we're seeing for the area,

2169
02:34:57,680 --> 02:35:00,320
 so we're hoping to look at that.

2170
02:35:00,320 --> 02:35:05,380
 Sub area two, this is the area we were talking about earlier that we, of course, refer to

2171
02:35:05,380 --> 02:35:07,640
 as Cement City.

2172
02:35:07,640 --> 02:35:15,680
 Here we're looking at housing that is affordable to low to moderate income families and to

2173
02:35:15,680 --> 02:35:16,680
 students.

2174
02:35:16,680 --> 02:35:24,960
 There is a family component in this area, and it is an economically, frequently an economically

2175
02:35:24,960 --> 02:35:31,800
 precarious set of families that live in this area, which is why we found it important as

2176
02:35:31,800 --> 02:35:40,000
 a committee to put in writing that we wanted to help preserve affordable housing where

2177
02:35:40,000 --> 02:35:43,400
 it has traditionally been affordable.

2178
02:35:43,400 --> 02:35:50,000
 Additionally, when we're looking at quality green spaces, you'll notice, of course, in

2179
02:35:50,000 --> 02:35:59,440
 sub area two that there is one park, and it is pretty much a concrete park on Stella.

2180
02:35:59,440 --> 02:36:08,520
 Our hope is that as the area can be revitalized, that perhaps some of the revitalization projects

2181
02:36:08,520 --> 02:36:16,040
 may increase intensity on a site, yet while not increasing density, potentially leaving

2182
02:36:16,040 --> 02:36:24,080
 more room for green space to be added where it has thus far been void.

2183
02:36:24,080 --> 02:36:29,720
 Sub area three, we're looking at the area then to the south of the university.

2184
02:36:29,720 --> 02:36:33,920
 Again, a mixed-use neighborhood for families and students.

2185
02:36:33,920 --> 02:36:43,240
 There's a lot of single-family housing still in that area, so we hope to, again, keep the

2186
02:36:43,240 --> 02:36:50,760
 existing green spaces, continue with established tree canopy because there's a lot of established

2187
02:36:50,760 --> 02:36:58,160
 trees in that area, but once again, continue to enhance the livability for people who are

2188
02:36:58,160 --> 02:36:59,640
 in that area.

2189
02:36:59,640 --> 02:37:05,680
 The overall plan, a stable, walkable area in which to live, work, and play, protecting

2190
02:37:05,680 --> 02:37:13,760
 existing neighborhoods and to revitalize, reinvest, and look at projects that are compatible

2191
02:37:13,760 --> 02:37:18,040
 in use, scale, and design.

2192
02:37:18,040 --> 02:37:26,640
 In that area in particular, there's a lot of fairly low-intensity sites, and some of

2193
02:37:26,640 --> 02:37:29,880
 that gets threatened.

2194
02:37:29,880 --> 02:37:40,160
 The draft land use goals that we have here, looking again at protecting historic districts

2195
02:37:40,160 --> 02:37:46,600
 and identifying new historic districts in this area, we've got some of those on tap.

2196
02:37:46,600 --> 02:37:51,240
 Looking at creating more businesses along scripture, maybe looking at some aspirational

2197
02:37:51,240 --> 02:37:59,280
 zoning in that area to protect the neighborhoods surrounding the area, again, with Area 1,

2198
02:37:59,280 --> 02:38:00,280
 LU3.

2199
02:38:00,280 --> 02:38:07,320
 A development that is in scale with the existing development in the area.

2200
02:38:07,320 --> 02:38:09,480
 Community design goals.

2201
02:38:09,480 --> 02:38:10,480
 We've talked a little bit.

2202
02:38:10,480 --> 02:38:18,560
 I know we've begun to talk about collegiate housing as a separate zoning area, and one

2203
02:38:18,560 --> 02:38:24,800
 of the things that our committee has talked about a lot is the difference between collegiate

2204
02:38:24,800 --> 02:38:30,440
 housing versus truly multi-family housing.

2205
02:38:30,440 --> 02:38:38,520
 We have agreed that Sub-Area 1 is the place for sure, multi-family housing, but that as

2206
02:38:38,520 --> 02:38:45,440
 we discuss collegiate housing further, that collegiate housing is not an appropriate use

2207
02:38:45,440 --> 02:38:49,600
 for Sub-Area 1.

2208
02:38:49,600 --> 02:38:51,760
 Sub-Area 1 mobility goals.

2209
02:38:51,760 --> 02:39:00,240
 Again, we will discuss sidewalks more, and again, identification of gaps in the sidewalk

2210
02:39:00,240 --> 02:39:08,400
 infrastructure for future CIPs, but again, the emphasis here is on pedestrians, the emphasis

2211
02:39:08,400 --> 02:39:15,720
 is on cyclists, whether we're talking about lighting, talking about sidewalks, and then

2212
02:39:15,720 --> 02:39:17,800
 the parking and service goals.

2213
02:39:17,800 --> 02:39:23,880
 This is something we will discuss further too in relationship to hoping to alleviate

2214
02:39:23,880 --> 02:39:28,560
 many of the parking pinches that we see in the area.

2215
02:39:28,560 --> 02:39:36,880
 The parking pinch is one of the reasons that this small area is so large, because as you

2216
02:39:36,880 --> 02:39:39,440
 know, cars are like water.

2217
02:39:39,440 --> 02:39:46,340
 If you squeeze out one place for students and faculty staff to park, they're just going

2218
02:39:46,340 --> 02:39:49,160
 to ooze over some place else.

2219
02:39:49,160 --> 02:39:56,560
 That's part of the reason that we ended up with a large encompassing UNT on all sides,

2220
02:39:56,560 --> 02:39:58,040
 a small area plan.

2221
02:39:58,040 --> 02:40:03,520
 One of the things about looking at developing a visibility marketing program that will attract

2222
02:40:03,520 --> 02:40:09,280
 economic development to the area, this is something that if you'll notice, we talked

2223
02:40:09,280 --> 02:40:15,200
 about with the demise of Sac and Save to the south side of campus that we lost the only

2224
02:40:15,200 --> 02:40:24,340
 grocery store in the area, but again, we would like to encourage some seeking out of businesses

2225
02:40:24,340 --> 02:40:34,040
 that could be good fits for any of these three areas, three sub-areas, in order to, again,

2226
02:40:34,040 --> 02:40:41,020
 encourage walkability, encourage people to stay close so they can get many, probably

2227
02:40:41,020 --> 02:40:46,720
 not all, but get many of the things they need by simply hopping on their bike or walking

2228
02:40:46,720 --> 02:40:50,880
 three or four blocks to get those things.

2229
02:40:50,880 --> 02:40:53,120
 That's the end of my portion.

2230
02:40:53,120 --> 02:40:56,860
 I'll be back, though, and we have more coming.

2231
02:40:56,860 --> 02:41:02,120
 Any questions for me at the moment?

2232
02:41:02,120 --> 02:41:03,120
 We do.

2233
02:41:03,120 --> 02:41:04,120
 Okay.

2234
02:41:04,120 --> 02:41:05,120
 Commissioner Smith.

2235
02:41:05,120 --> 02:41:06,120
 Thank you, Chair.

2236
02:41:06,120 --> 02:41:10,400
 Mrs. Light, thank you very much for your presentation.

2237
02:41:10,400 --> 02:41:22,320
 I think my only real concern or real question is that it does seem like it is sub-two, sub-three

2238
02:41:22,320 --> 02:41:26,480
 are places for students, but sub-one is not a place for students.

2239
02:41:26,480 --> 02:41:33,680
 It's kind of the gist that I'm getting a lot from a lot of this is that the vision for

2240
02:41:33,680 --> 02:41:40,760
 the area is that sub-one is not meant to be a place where student housing, student growth

2241
02:41:40,760 --> 02:41:45,080
 has been to be, and please correct me if I'm getting the wrong gist from it.

2242
02:41:45,080 --> 02:41:51,040
 You did just say in the last thing, if you go back one slide, that sub-one is not intended

2243
02:41:51,040 --> 02:41:52,920
 to be a student housing area.

2244
02:41:52,920 --> 02:42:02,240
 Well, we can't say that just because collegiate housing as a zoning designation, as a particular

2245
02:42:02,240 --> 02:42:10,360
 use there, does not mean that multifamily would not be appropriate and a place where

2246
02:42:10,360 --> 02:42:13,240
 students could indeed live.

2247
02:42:13,240 --> 02:42:18,640
 The difference when we're looking at collegiate housing, and this is a ... Collegiate housing

2248
02:42:18,640 --> 02:42:24,080
 has precedents set in other university towns in Texas.

2249
02:42:24,080 --> 02:42:30,480
 So if you look at, for instance, many of the SROs, we've been calling them SROs, those

2250
02:42:30,480 --> 02:42:36,600
 are floor plans that cannot accommodate a family.

2251
02:42:36,600 --> 02:42:44,860
 So when those structures are built, they tend to be locked into that particular use.

2252
02:42:44,860 --> 02:42:53,080
 If you look at many older cities in which apartment buildings become condos, apartments

2253
02:42:53,080 --> 02:43:01,800
 are eventually bought by people who have ownership of these, multifamily can morph, multifamily

2254
02:43:01,800 --> 02:43:02,800
 can change.

2255
02:43:02,800 --> 02:43:03,800
 Yeah.

2256
02:43:03,800 --> 02:43:13,000
 The floor plans and the business plan of the collegiate housing product is very limited.

2257
02:43:13,000 --> 02:43:14,000
 Yep.

2258
02:43:14,000 --> 02:43:21,880
 Now, in sub area one, we already have apartment buildings and students live in those apartment

2259
02:43:21,880 --> 02:43:22,880
 buildings.

2260
02:43:22,880 --> 02:43:29,000
 They tend to be two-story apartment buildings, parking is on site, students are close to

2261
02:43:29,000 --> 02:43:32,200
 campus, works out really well.

2262
02:43:32,200 --> 02:43:36,280
 I live a block from an apartment complex, it's fine.

2263
02:43:36,280 --> 02:43:37,640
 It's absolutely fine.

2264
02:43:37,640 --> 02:43:40,280
 I wouldn't want to change it.

2265
02:43:40,280 --> 02:43:49,240
 The difference is in the tall SROs, which will never be a place where a family could

2266
02:43:49,240 --> 02:43:51,600
 live if a family chose.

2267
02:43:51,600 --> 02:43:57,520
 Whereas sub two and sub three would be in the future, it wouldn't be solved with this,

2268
02:43:57,520 --> 02:44:03,880
 it would be solved with the DDC update and the rezoning, but sub two and sub three based

2269
02:44:03,880 --> 02:44:09,360
 on this area plan would be more susceptible to SRO type buildings, by the way, that's

2270
02:44:09,360 --> 02:44:12,640
 going to be zoned and coded if this council follows this.

2271
02:44:12,640 --> 02:44:14,840
 It would be more appropriate in those areas.

2272
02:44:14,840 --> 02:44:15,840
 Sure.

2273
02:44:15,840 --> 02:44:21,900
 Again, if you look at where UNT's services for students are, UNT's been building, they're

2274
02:44:21,900 --> 02:44:24,000
 building a new dorm on the south side.

2275
02:44:24,000 --> 02:44:25,000
 Sure.

2276
02:44:25,000 --> 02:44:30,120
 UNT has permission to build another dorm, but it's not in the pipeline at the moment.

2277
02:44:30,120 --> 02:44:37,200
 They can do it, but the cafeterias are going on the south side.

2278
02:44:37,200 --> 02:44:42,120
 Over to the west, there are already dorms over there, cafeterias.

2279
02:44:42,120 --> 02:44:47,880
 On the north side, it's office buildings.

2280
02:44:47,880 --> 02:44:51,240
 It's significantly more appropriate.

2281
02:44:51,240 --> 02:44:57,820
 Students would probably feel much more a part of campus as well if they are choosing those

2282
02:44:57,820 --> 02:45:00,440
 places to the south and to the west.

2283
02:45:00,440 --> 02:45:01,440
 Sure.

2284
02:45:01,440 --> 02:45:05,120
 I guess my only real reason to bring it up is the fact that it was very clear during

2285
02:45:05,120 --> 02:45:06,120
 work session.

2286
02:45:06,120 --> 02:45:07,120
 I think you were in there.

2287
02:45:07,120 --> 02:45:08,120
 I saw you in there.

2288
02:45:08,120 --> 02:45:12,680
 It was very clear during work session that those who are on this committee is very heavily

2289
02:45:12,680 --> 02:45:16,880
 represented by sub one residents.

2290
02:45:16,880 --> 02:45:24,480
 I would hate to go through and make a recommendation to council to approve a revision for an area

2291
02:45:24,480 --> 02:45:33,720
 that is primarily dominated by one section of a neighborhood to then take what is usually

2292
02:45:33,720 --> 02:45:41,760
 seen as not a very likable or not a very favorited use of building of SROs and say, "Well, you

2293
02:45:41,760 --> 02:45:44,800
 can do them in this small area, but just not near me."

2294
02:45:44,800 --> 02:45:45,800
 Right.

2295
02:45:45,800 --> 02:45:46,800
 That's all I wanted to bring up.

2296
02:45:46,800 --> 02:45:48,600
 I think I'm going to interrupt you.

2297
02:45:48,600 --> 02:45:50,480
 I'm going to let them finish their presentation.

2298
02:45:50,480 --> 02:45:52,240
 We're not even through the presentation yet.

2299
02:45:52,240 --> 02:45:53,240
 Why don't we hold?

2300
02:45:53,240 --> 02:45:57,640
 Because we're going to get into too much detailed discussion, I think, so why don't we let the

2301
02:45:57,640 --> 02:45:58,640
 presentation continue?

2302
02:45:58,640 --> 02:45:59,640
 Okay.

2303
02:45:59,640 --> 02:46:00,640
 Okay.

2304
02:46:00,640 --> 02:46:01,640
 Thank you.

2305
02:46:01,640 --> 02:46:02,640
 I totally empathize with that.

2306
02:46:02,640 --> 02:46:05,200
 You did a good job of looking around.

2307
02:46:05,200 --> 02:46:06,200
 Okay.

2308
02:46:06,200 --> 02:46:12,280
 Christopher Wilkins is up next.

2309
02:46:12,280 --> 02:46:14,400
 Hello.

2310
02:46:14,400 --> 02:46:15,400
 My name is Christopher Wilkins.

2311
02:46:15,400 --> 02:46:22,240
 I'm going to be going over some of the draft goals of sub area two, there we go, which

2312
02:46:22,240 --> 02:46:25,080
 we all fondly call cement city.

2313
02:46:25,080 --> 02:46:29,760
 While it might be a term of endearment for people and didn't, it does have a sort of

2314
02:46:29,760 --> 02:46:33,880
 a negative connotation to it, understandably.

2315
02:46:33,880 --> 02:46:39,240
 To me, and I'm just speaking for myself, it talks about almost transient, almost forgotten

2316
02:46:39,240 --> 02:46:43,080
 place in terms of development, in terms of opportunity, and it's very transient in terms

2317
02:46:43,080 --> 02:46:50,040
 of people who live there, and that seems to be a lost opportunity for a neighborhood that's

2318
02:46:50,040 --> 02:46:55,080
 nestled right by UNT and right between future housing and raise a ranch that will eventually

2319
02:46:55,080 --> 02:46:56,840
 go over there.

2320
02:46:56,840 --> 02:47:03,600
 This neighborhood is ripe for possibilities and so these are a few of them.

2321
02:47:03,600 --> 02:47:07,680
 Land use and community design goals, some of the things we talked about were supporting

2322
02:47:07,680 --> 02:47:14,040
 existing housing in the area and identifying and prioritizing neighborhood revitalization

2323
02:47:14,040 --> 02:47:17,040
 and reinvestment needs and the opportunities that it affords.

2324
02:47:17,040 --> 02:47:21,960
 One of the big infrastructure projects over there we all know is the Bonneberry expansion,

2325
02:47:21,960 --> 02:47:26,800
 and we want to include more multimodal infrastructure projects, including pedestrian and bicycle

2326
02:47:26,800 --> 02:47:33,400
 paths in that area that can help connect, like I said, the Seamont City neighborhood

2327
02:47:33,400 --> 02:47:39,200
 with UNT and raise a ranch, make it more one giant pathway.

2328
02:47:39,200 --> 02:47:43,960
 We also want to increase open space in the area any way possible, perhaps through vertical

2329
02:47:43,960 --> 02:47:49,640
 housing to make use of lack of land space, community courtyards, and stuff like that.

2330
02:47:49,640 --> 02:47:54,280
 Some of the mobility goals we discussed is to, again, like I mentioned before, improve

2331
02:47:54,280 --> 02:48:00,020
 pedestrian and bicycle circulation in the area, create more access and connectivity

2332
02:48:00,020 --> 02:48:05,720
 to major destinations that are walkable, and even incorporate public art to make it more

2333
02:48:05,720 --> 02:48:11,280
 of a communal space for people to actually enjoy and to want to spend more time there,

2334
02:48:11,280 --> 02:48:14,120
 to make it more of a home.

2335
02:48:14,120 --> 02:48:18,480
 One of the also things is we want to increase ridership and improve transit in the area.

2336
02:48:18,480 --> 02:48:24,080
 DCTA is actually a partner in trying to improve ridership in sub area too.

2337
02:48:24,080 --> 02:48:28,300
 So they're working with us on that goal.

2338
02:48:28,300 --> 02:48:29,300
 Parking and services goal.

2339
02:48:29,300 --> 02:48:34,160
 Parking, as everybody probably knows, is pretty rough around there sometimes, and so we want

2340
02:48:34,160 --> 02:48:38,600
 to implement a comprehensive strategic parking action plan, which will be discussed in a

2341
02:48:38,600 --> 02:48:40,640
 later slide, so we will hear more about that.

2342
02:48:40,640 --> 02:48:44,840
 So if you have any questions, I would probably wait for that.

2343
02:48:44,840 --> 02:48:51,680
 And again, since it's right by raise a ranch, it seems like all the services that they could

2344
02:48:51,680 --> 02:48:53,200
 possibly need is right there.

2345
02:48:53,200 --> 02:48:58,560
 There's actually opportunities for us to develop services in Siemens City itself.

2346
02:48:58,560 --> 02:49:00,320
 There's actually some infrastructure there.

2347
02:49:00,320 --> 02:49:05,760
 I can't think of the street, but there's a few existing structures that we could revitalize

2348
02:49:05,760 --> 02:49:12,400
 and help bring more entrepreneurial spirit in that neighborhood of all sorts of types.

2349
02:49:12,400 --> 02:49:15,200
 And also just improve the visual perceived area.

2350
02:49:15,200 --> 02:49:22,080
 I started this presentation saying that Siemens City has a very negative connotation sometimes,

2351
02:49:22,080 --> 02:49:26,100
 but we want to use all these goals that we talked about to kind of revitalize the image

2352
02:49:26,100 --> 02:49:30,680
 of the area by working to make it more of a livable neighborhood.

2353
02:49:30,680 --> 02:49:37,840
 So I'm also going to be presenting on sub area three, which is my neighborhood personally.

2354
02:49:37,840 --> 02:49:43,160
 Some of the land use goals we talked about is protecting existing single-family dwelling

2355
02:49:43,160 --> 02:49:50,000
 units in the area, support existing housing already there in the area.

2356
02:49:50,000 --> 02:49:55,640
 The big thing for me was to maintain single-family dwelling and multi-family dwelling balance

2357
02:49:55,640 --> 02:49:56,920
 in the area.

2358
02:49:56,920 --> 02:50:04,360
 So we make sure that a lot of people who live there already are not pushed out.

2359
02:50:04,360 --> 02:50:11,880
 And also a big thing for me is to create a potential overlay of an equal drive to create

2360
02:50:11,880 --> 02:50:15,320
 more businesses on there and more business opportunities that are walkable and in scale

2361
02:50:15,320 --> 02:50:17,840
 with the area itself.

2362
02:50:17,840 --> 02:50:23,120
 Also with the community design goals we talked about is returning to a sense of community,

2363
02:50:23,120 --> 02:50:26,520
 making it more of a gathering place for people to want to invest in for a long time to buy

2364
02:50:26,520 --> 02:50:30,840
 houses to commit themselves to it for a good period of time.

2365
02:50:30,840 --> 02:50:37,840
 And just part of all of this is preserve the character of the area any way we possibly can.

2366
02:50:37,840 --> 02:50:40,180
 Mobility goals is create gateways into the area.

2367
02:50:40,180 --> 02:50:44,280
 One of the gateways, or possible gateways, is the fire station off of McCormick.

2368
02:50:44,280 --> 02:50:50,120
 Ronald 35 and McCormick when you go in, places that are like markers for the area, some place

2369
02:50:50,120 --> 02:50:56,040
 that makes it feel like, okay, this is my area now, welcomes you to the neighborhood.

2370
02:50:56,040 --> 02:51:00,400
 Improve traffic signal operations in the area in terms of streetlight timing for vehicles

2371
02:51:00,400 --> 02:51:04,640
 and pedestrians, especially along Eagle.

2372
02:51:04,640 --> 02:51:08,120
 Improve traffic safety in the area in general.

2373
02:51:08,120 --> 02:51:10,600
 And improve pedestrian safety and circulation as well.

2374
02:51:10,600 --> 02:51:15,400
 Those are two pretty big things, especially as they're expanding on UNT, that seems to

2375
02:51:15,400 --> 02:51:18,080
 be kind of an issue at the moment.

2376
02:51:18,080 --> 02:51:24,400
 Parking and services goal, yeah, just as improved parking, I'm assuming we're gonna go through

2377
02:51:24,400 --> 02:51:26,120
 that more later.

2378
02:51:26,120 --> 02:51:28,480
 Create more, and also just create more neighborhood services.

2379
02:51:28,480 --> 02:51:34,000
 We talked about through maybe potential overlay on Eagle Drive, but also there's some other

2380
02:51:34,000 --> 02:51:37,400
 existing infrastructures we could also revitalize in the area later on.

2381
02:51:37,400 --> 02:51:38,400
 All right.

2382
02:51:38,400 --> 02:51:42,440
 And that being said, I'm gonna hand it off to my partner in crime, Christopher Walker.

2383
02:51:42,440 --> 02:51:53,440
 - Good evening, commissioners, my name's Christopher Walker, I reside at 805 Emory Street.

2384
02:51:53,440 --> 02:52:03,000
 Back to overarching recommendations and goals and visions for the entire area in total.

2385
02:52:03,000 --> 02:52:06,920
 Protecting established neighborhoods and enhancing neighborhood character.

2386
02:52:06,920 --> 02:52:11,840
 This right off the bat, I think, is an overarching through point through all of the recommendations,

2387
02:52:11,840 --> 02:52:16,680
 goals, and visions that we, as a subcommittee, have been drafting.

2388
02:52:16,680 --> 02:52:24,680
 We're very, very careful and mindful that we want to reflect and enhance the already

2389
02:52:24,680 --> 02:52:26,800
 established character of this area.

2390
02:52:26,800 --> 02:52:34,240
 And you'll notice that we don't use the term redevelop in most any of this entire presentation.

2391
02:52:34,240 --> 02:52:39,040
 But we really emphasize reinvestment and revitalization.

2392
02:52:39,040 --> 02:52:45,680
 LU2 promote economic development and strategic locations along key corridors and major intersections.

2393
02:52:45,680 --> 02:52:53,520
 Again, that can be along Eagle Drive, certain key areas within sub area two, or along Oak

2394
02:52:53,520 --> 02:52:58,080
 and Hickory, as well as Scrippeter Street.

2395
02:52:58,080 --> 02:53:02,200
 LU3 support a diverse land use pattern, creating opportunities for mixed use within strategic

2396
02:53:02,200 --> 02:53:05,880
 locations for people to live, work, and socialize.

2397
02:53:05,880 --> 02:53:09,120
 Onto community design goals, improve streets that enhance the community's image through

2398
02:53:09,120 --> 02:53:13,400
 streetscape improvements among major road quarters that welcome residents and visitors.

2399
02:53:13,400 --> 02:53:20,200
 This gets a little bit back to the name of this entire plan, the Oak Gateway Plan.

2400
02:53:20,200 --> 02:53:24,600
 It's emphasized in other ways throughout this presentation, but we really see that this

2401
02:53:24,600 --> 02:53:28,600
 area is a gateway into Denton itself.

2402
02:53:28,600 --> 02:53:36,320
 If you think about it geographically, it sits within the very center and heart of our city

2403
02:53:36,320 --> 02:53:37,320
 land area.

2404
02:53:37,320 --> 02:53:43,840
 And from the highway and traversing through, it provides figurative and could be literal

2405
02:53:43,840 --> 02:53:49,800
 gateway entrances into the rest of the city.

2406
02:53:49,800 --> 02:53:53,600
 CD2 create an integrated system of parks, trails, and open space with walking and biking

2407
02:53:53,600 --> 02:53:56,720
 distance for residents.

2408
02:53:56,720 --> 02:54:01,400
 This will go through immobility, improving linkages between sub-areas and other distinct

2409
02:54:01,400 --> 02:54:07,000
 destinations between those two, really thinking thoughtfully about how people move through

2410
02:54:07,000 --> 02:54:15,400
 this space and how linkages and from before, integrated systems can enhance that.

2411
02:54:15,400 --> 02:54:19,520
 Area Plan M2, continue coordination between the neighborhoods, UNT, and the city to identify

2412
02:54:19,520 --> 02:54:23,440
 and develop multiple ways to safely move through and around the area, again, re-emphasizing

2413
02:54:23,440 --> 02:54:24,440
 that same point.

2414
02:54:24,440 --> 02:54:29,320
 M3, reduce congestion and expand transportation options.

2415
02:54:29,320 --> 02:54:34,160
 Within the parking goals, and again, as we've been alluding to, this will be hashed out

2416
02:54:34,160 --> 02:54:39,120
 here in an incoming slide, develop a comprehensive strategic parking action plan based on community

2417
02:54:39,120 --> 02:54:41,840
 input, then implement that plan.

2418
02:54:41,840 --> 02:54:46,920
 Promote new parking facility designs that support mixed-use developments.

2419
02:54:46,920 --> 02:54:54,320
 One of the major impetuses amongst folks within our subcommittee is thinking about the businesses

2420
02:54:54,320 --> 02:54:59,680
 that are there and what their parking needs are and how they can be mitigated, enhanced

2421
02:54:59,680 --> 02:55:03,760
 upon, and contended with.

2422
02:55:03,760 --> 02:55:08,200
 Service goals, S1, create comprehensive funding mechanisms to fund public improvements for

2423
02:55:08,200 --> 02:55:09,440
 the area plan.

2424
02:55:09,440 --> 02:55:14,400
 S2, continue coordination between the neighborhood, UNT, and the city to identify and enhance

2425
02:55:14,400 --> 02:55:16,280
 neighborhood services to the area.

2426
02:55:16,280 --> 02:55:19,760
 It's already been mentioned, the loss of SAC and SAVE, but one of the things that we're

2427
02:55:19,760 --> 02:55:29,200
 very mindful of is this is a bit of a grocer food desert, and then even beyond the grocery,

2428
02:55:29,200 --> 02:55:34,040
 any actual restaurants and whatnot are kind of contended within one particular area within

2429
02:55:34,040 --> 02:55:38,400
 this entire area plan, and we think there's certainly room and opportunity for that to

2430
02:55:38,400 --> 02:55:44,320
 be made available in the other two areas as well.

2431
02:55:44,320 --> 02:55:48,280
 S3, further coordination between property owners, business owners, and the city, whether

2432
02:55:48,280 --> 02:55:53,040
 that comes through bodies similar to our subcommittee and like an expansion and continuation thereof

2433
02:55:53,040 --> 02:55:54,240
 or something otherwise.

2434
02:55:54,240 --> 02:55:59,000
 S4, improve the area's image and enhance neighborhoods using codes, regulations, programs,

2435
02:55:59,000 --> 02:56:00,000
 and enforcement.

2436
02:56:00,000 --> 02:56:06,000
 That again gets to overly districts and not only the zoning code update that is coming,

2437
02:56:06,000 --> 02:56:18,640
 but something with, again, more thoughtful and directed codes and regulations that fit

2438
02:56:18,640 --> 02:56:23,940
 development and reinvigoration to fit the character of the areas themselves.

2439
02:56:23,940 --> 02:56:27,600
 S5, provide a wide range of high quality and affordable housing options.

2440
02:56:27,600 --> 02:56:32,240
 S6, create facilities and programs that serve the city, areas, neighborhoods, and residents.

2441
02:56:32,240 --> 02:56:37,720
 Okay, so one of the things we've been alluding to for a while here and what we're thinking

2442
02:56:37,720 --> 02:56:44,760
 is a catalyst or pilot program within the Oak Hickory and Fry Street areas, this district

2443
02:56:44,760 --> 02:56:47,840
 would be a parking benefit district.

2444
02:56:47,840 --> 02:56:53,040
 This could be a public private entity or agency that is administered through the city but

2445
02:56:53,040 --> 02:57:00,280
 has advice and consent through neighborhood groups within that district as an oversight

2446
02:57:00,280 --> 02:57:05,480
 committee consisting of property owners, business owners, and city staff.

2447
02:57:05,480 --> 02:57:10,200
 It has defined boundaries of where this is managed parking.

2448
02:57:10,200 --> 02:57:18,040
 It would be paid parking metered through, if you're familiar with seeing this across

2449
02:57:18,040 --> 02:57:22,840
 other cities, both in our state or elsewhere, whether that be app based, whether that be

2450
02:57:22,840 --> 02:57:31,760
 a terminal kiosk in a parking lot or at adjacent intersections for blocks and streets.

2451
02:57:31,760 --> 02:57:37,680
 Let me run through here and make sure I don't miss something.

2452
02:57:37,680 --> 02:57:41,080
 The parking revenues that would be coming from this benefit district would first go

2453
02:57:41,080 --> 02:57:45,560
 towards paying for its enforcement and an evaluation would need to be done to see whether

2454
02:57:45,560 --> 02:57:51,680
 or not the enforcement should be primarily via police or can be of its own enforcement

2455
02:57:51,680 --> 02:57:52,680
 staff.

2456
02:57:52,680 --> 02:57:58,960
 It was the mood and general direction of our subcommittee that the enforcement should be

2457
02:57:58,960 --> 02:58:03,560
 coming from the agency itself as paid staff.

2458
02:58:03,560 --> 02:58:08,200
 Then eventually, it being a parking benefit district is that the excess revenue of this

2459
02:58:08,200 --> 02:58:16,400
 goes back into the actual streetscape infrastructure and continuously enhancing the area that it

2460
02:58:16,400 --> 02:58:17,400
 manages.

2461
02:58:17,400 --> 02:58:23,800
 In a similar fashion, we have considered and are offering to propose within that same sort

2462
02:58:23,800 --> 02:58:27,760
 of agency, a residential parking district.

2463
02:58:27,760 --> 02:58:36,240
 This would be opt in by block, but not necessarily by an entire street, so a certain contingency

2464
02:58:36,240 --> 02:58:44,120
 of numbers of homes and homeowners or the owners within a block would have to collectively

2465
02:58:44,120 --> 02:58:49,200
 and by majority vote to opt in, not necessarily opt out.

2466
02:58:49,200 --> 02:58:56,680
 It would be by permits, and there's options for both hang type permits or app based things

2467
02:58:56,680 --> 02:59:05,200
 similar to the rest of the parking benefit district and enforced in the same agency.

2468
02:59:05,200 --> 02:59:13,160
 Some catalyst projects within Area 1P1, you notice the way the parking striping happens

2469
02:59:13,160 --> 02:59:16,400
 here along Hickory Street.

2470
02:59:16,400 --> 02:59:25,560
 We've heard feedback that this kind of striping as opposed to the directly defined this exact

2471
02:59:25,560 --> 02:59:31,440
 car space where it's not a loose, but a designated like this is the strip in which someone can

2472
02:59:31,440 --> 02:59:37,200
 park rather than the exact notch out of each individual vehicle was appropriate.

2473
02:59:37,200 --> 02:59:41,760
 However, this of course needs to come with enforcement to avoid situations like this

2474
02:59:41,760 --> 02:59:46,760
 in which an enterprising vehicular driver thinks that if one portion of their vehicle

2475
02:59:46,760 --> 02:59:52,960
 is there that that counts, in which it should not.

2476
02:59:52,960 --> 02:59:53,960
 This one is a big one.

2477
02:59:53,960 --> 02:59:57,760
 I know there's going to be some feedback from the room on this.

2478
02:59:57,760 --> 03:00:07,600
 I, as well as Sonia, were some of the bicycle representatives on this committee.

2479
03:00:07,600 --> 03:00:12,800
 This is a component of this area plan and recommendations that has received a lot of

2480
03:00:12,800 --> 03:00:21,880
 feedback from both our public forums and the open house that came afterwards.

2481
03:00:21,880 --> 03:00:27,480
 Out of our last meeting, an option was presented in the style of a warner.

2482
03:00:27,480 --> 03:00:35,840
 I think that was articulated a little bit before in the meeting earlier today.

2483
03:00:35,840 --> 03:00:42,880
 If you read it, just laid out as it is here on this slide, it seems to signify just parallel

2484
03:00:42,880 --> 03:00:54,840
 parking, a share row, and some bump outs and other infrastructure that would indicate a

2485
03:00:54,840 --> 03:00:55,840
 slowing down.

2486
03:00:55,840 --> 03:01:02,320
 Personally, as a bicyclist, when I hear share row, I think dooring, because I've seen that

2487
03:01:02,320 --> 03:01:03,320
 happen.

2488
03:01:03,320 --> 03:01:08,920
 That is not what we as a committee were agreed to last week.

2489
03:01:08,920 --> 03:01:13,720
 We were sold on the idea of a true warner.

2490
03:01:13,720 --> 03:01:19,840
 To articulate that, we'll have a partial slide here.

2491
03:01:19,840 --> 03:01:25,600
 You see certain enhancements that could happen here at the intersection, such as these raised

2492
03:01:25,600 --> 03:01:26,980
 bump crosswalks.

2493
03:01:26,980 --> 03:01:32,440
 You notice the utilities have been sunken to the ground, and the street lights are now

2494
03:01:32,440 --> 03:01:39,880
 off to the side requiring that vehicles, or really all intermodal users of these two blocks,

2495
03:01:39,880 --> 03:01:45,800
 would have to pay attention to their surroundings for the basic traffic hues.

2496
03:01:45,800 --> 03:01:53,800
 What really distinguishes a Woonorff from this style, Woonorff is an overarching European

2497
03:01:53,800 --> 03:01:59,520
 term, but you might have also heard this as a better block, complete street, living street,

2498
03:01:59,520 --> 03:02:01,120
 things like that.

2499
03:02:01,120 --> 03:02:07,000
 The way that actually comes about is that it slows and directs all intermodal traffic

2500
03:02:07,000 --> 03:02:12,880
 in a way that embraces what this area actually is, and that is a heavily pedestrian trafficked

2501
03:02:12,880 --> 03:02:13,880
 area.

2502
03:02:13,880 --> 03:02:19,240
 Again, harkening back to each recommendation in this area plan is to enhance the already

2503
03:02:19,240 --> 03:02:22,560
 existing character of that area.

2504
03:02:22,560 --> 03:02:25,480
 That means people are crossing mid-block, not just at intersections.

2505
03:02:25,480 --> 03:02:29,040
 That means this is a shared intermodal space.

2506
03:02:29,040 --> 03:02:34,600
 If a true Woonorff were to happen, it would have to reflect that character and enhance

2507
03:02:34,600 --> 03:02:35,600
 upon it.

2508
03:02:35,600 --> 03:02:40,480
 That doesn't necessarily mean a share where it is just a straight line and parking on

2509
03:02:40,480 --> 03:02:46,440
 both sides, but parking broken up, infrastructure brought out and abutting into the streets

2510
03:02:46,440 --> 03:02:51,400
 so that it's not just a straight through lane, but it is a little bit of a wiggle or a curve

2511
03:02:51,400 --> 03:02:56,440
 so that it demands that anybody using that street actually pays attention to what's going

2512
03:02:56,440 --> 03:03:02,640
 on and maintains the safety they are in.

2513
03:03:02,640 --> 03:03:08,560
 I think if we need to expand upon that further, we can, because I'm sure it will receive both

2514
03:03:08,560 --> 03:03:16,480
 public comment and questions from you all, just judging on the facial reactions I'm seeing.

2515
03:03:16,480 --> 03:03:22,400
 The one other thing I would note upon that is that out of last week's meeting when we

2516
03:03:22,400 --> 03:03:26,760
 were content with this, it was contingent upon it being designed and brought back as

2517
03:03:26,760 --> 03:03:28,520
 a true Woonorff.

2518
03:03:28,520 --> 03:03:34,000
 If it wasn't, I think a heavy caveat would be there that the protected bike lane that

2519
03:03:34,000 --> 03:03:41,640
 had been presented and received a lot of favorable comments and agreement upon from the community

2520
03:03:41,640 --> 03:03:46,160
 would be the default standby, if were that not to be the case.

2521
03:03:46,160 --> 03:04:07,600
 We identified some catalyst projects, some things that we could begin to look at immediately

2522
03:04:07,600 --> 03:04:14,840
 so we would feel like we were doing something once the plan is voted on and begins doing

2523
03:04:14,840 --> 03:04:16,440
 its thing.

2524
03:04:16,440 --> 03:04:24,360
 One of the catalyst projects that we looked at is creating some additional overlay districts

2525
03:04:24,360 --> 03:04:31,840
 within the small area plan and also another conservation district.

2526
03:04:31,840 --> 03:04:36,480
 The first one that we looked at here is the scripture street.

2527
03:04:36,480 --> 03:04:44,800
 Like I said earlier, the zoning that is currently in place is tied to the old flow hospital.

2528
03:04:44,800 --> 03:04:50,840
 So Chopsticks is there, perfect, Killer's Tacos is there, perfect.

2529
03:04:50,840 --> 03:05:00,600
 But they also left room for an SRO going in on the old rehab center site.

2530
03:05:00,600 --> 03:05:07,840
 So with that in mind, we have identified scripture as a good place for an overlay that would

2531
03:05:07,840 --> 03:05:16,440
 allow additional requirements to revitalization in the area, any projects coming up.

2532
03:05:16,440 --> 03:05:18,560
 It would encourage more walkability.

2533
03:05:18,560 --> 03:05:24,040
 You can see on this slide that there are sidewalks over there on the south side.

2534
03:05:24,040 --> 03:05:29,540
 This is the intersection right here of Jago and scripture.

2535
03:05:29,540 --> 03:05:35,240
 So there are sidewalks on one side, you don't have sidewalks on the north side of that street.

2536
03:05:35,240 --> 03:05:42,640
 But additionally, this is a neighborhood that wants more goods and services that are close

2537
03:05:42,640 --> 03:05:43,640
 by.

2538
03:05:43,640 --> 03:05:47,020
 These are mainly neighbors who don't want to get in their cars for everything.

2539
03:05:47,020 --> 03:05:53,920
 So if we could identify this area as, again, a good place to enhance the walkability, enhance

2540
03:05:53,920 --> 03:06:02,640
 the bikeability, but also encourage more businesses to invest in that area.

2541
03:06:02,640 --> 03:06:05,560
 Again, neighborhood goods and services.

2542
03:06:05,560 --> 03:06:10,560
 We also tossed out there the idea of using a form-based code in the area.

2543
03:06:10,560 --> 03:06:16,200
 There is interest in this area in a national registry district, which would then preserve

2544
03:06:16,200 --> 03:06:17,200
 the structures.

2545
03:06:17,200 --> 03:06:24,040
 And of course, a form-based code would require that the structures, historic structures remain

2546
03:06:24,040 --> 03:06:30,140
 intact, yet the use of those structures could change.

2547
03:06:30,140 --> 03:06:40,080
 So there is the area with Normal Street, Bryan, Frye, where there are still some single-family

2548
03:06:40,080 --> 03:06:41,080
 residences.

2549
03:06:41,080 --> 03:06:53,360
 But if a business was interested, again, there's already law offices on Sycamore, I believe.

2550
03:06:53,360 --> 03:06:57,740
 But you could change the use without changing the building.

2551
03:06:57,740 --> 03:07:03,720
 So the character could remain the same, but there could be more services for the neighborhood

2552
03:07:03,720 --> 03:07:08,080
 and for people on the north side of UNT.

2553
03:07:08,080 --> 03:07:14,560
 The other catalyst project we're looking at is an overlay district in the Oak Hickory

2554
03:07:14,560 --> 03:07:17,480
 area, which would then include Frye Street.

2555
03:07:17,480 --> 03:07:23,200
 But this overlay would go up West Hickory.

2556
03:07:23,200 --> 03:07:29,360
 It would then be backing up to the West Oak Historical District.

2557
03:07:29,360 --> 03:07:34,520
 So we would need to discuss buffering and compatibility there.

2558
03:07:34,520 --> 03:07:43,900
 But again, encouraging more urban design, more goods and services for that area.

2559
03:07:43,900 --> 03:07:52,200
 We're also looking at the Collins area as an overlay district, a historical overlay

2560
03:07:52,200 --> 03:07:55,720
 district, or a conservation district.

2561
03:07:55,720 --> 03:08:02,160
 Lots of single-family homes there with, again, they could be preserved.

2562
03:08:02,160 --> 03:08:07,080
 And I get a little picture there of the old Greenlea Street, my goodness.

2563
03:08:07,080 --> 03:08:13,560
 And then finally, we're taking a look at the Sycamore area as a potential historical conservation

2564
03:08:13,560 --> 03:08:14,560
 district.

2565
03:08:14,560 --> 03:08:22,760
 Again, if it's a conservation district and we additionally use form-based code with that,

2566
03:08:22,760 --> 03:08:30,780
 that is a perfect area where we could do, again, like I said, more attorney's offices,

2567
03:08:30,780 --> 03:08:40,720
 more just services, and you maintain the structure, yet bring revitalized businesses in.

2568
03:08:40,720 --> 03:08:44,240
 So those are some catalyst projects that we're looking at.

2569
03:08:44,240 --> 03:08:53,120
 And they would be additional overlays to the small area plan, so that's a lot of layers,

2570
03:08:53,120 --> 03:08:57,120
 but we can do it.

2571
03:08:57,120 --> 03:09:01,200
 And next, Kim's going to talk about sidewalk programs.

2572
03:09:01,200 --> 03:09:05,280
 I think that's one of the things I'm going to talk about.

2573
03:09:05,280 --> 03:09:06,280
 My name's Kim McKibbin.

2574
03:09:06,280 --> 03:09:11,680
 I've been pleased to be the vice chair of this program for the past year, and it's been

2575
03:09:11,680 --> 03:09:16,120
 a really interesting program, and I don't think it's something that's going to go away.

2576
03:09:16,120 --> 03:09:22,880
 Because what we do have here are some very concrete recommendations that we can begin

2577
03:09:22,880 --> 03:09:27,080
 with, we can look at as ongoing projects in the city, things that are already happening,

2578
03:09:27,080 --> 03:09:31,420
 things that can move some of these other things forward that are in line with those visions.

2579
03:09:31,420 --> 03:09:36,680
 One of the first recommendations that comes up as an ongoing recommendation is the priority

2580
03:09:36,680 --> 03:09:38,040
 sidewalk connections.

2581
03:09:38,040 --> 03:09:43,880
 Now, these have been identified by the city, by the different people who are working on

2582
03:09:43,880 --> 03:09:49,040
 these projects, by our new pedestrian and bike coordinator, but to be able to repair

2583
03:09:49,040 --> 03:09:53,480
 and enhance some of the existing sidewalks in the areas that we're talking about, and

2584
03:09:53,480 --> 03:09:57,520
 install some of the sidewalks where there's gaps in the area.

2585
03:09:57,520 --> 03:10:01,000
 It's very obvious you'll be walking along, and the sidewalk will be there, and then it'll

2586
03:10:01,000 --> 03:10:05,440
 be gone for half a block, and then it'll come back again, and it'll go away again.

2587
03:10:05,440 --> 03:10:10,200
 Some of the sidewalks are the old WPA things, some are newer sidewalks that have been put

2588
03:10:10,200 --> 03:10:12,980
 in, some desperately need repair.

2589
03:10:12,980 --> 03:10:18,760
 We are asking or suggesting a minimum five-foot sidewalk, but we'd really like an eight-foot

2590
03:10:18,760 --> 03:10:21,160
 if that can be worked into the plans.

2591
03:10:21,160 --> 03:10:26,720
 Also, in a lot of places through this whole area, because of the proximity to the university,

2592
03:10:26,720 --> 03:10:31,920
 we're asking that maybe some rapid flashing beacons be at unsealed pedestrian crossings.

2593
03:10:31,920 --> 03:10:39,280
 One of these would be the one at Welch and Oak, where it runs into the church there.

2594
03:10:39,280 --> 03:10:44,160
 It's just really hard to get across in those kinds of areas, so some flashing lights might

2595
03:10:44,160 --> 03:10:48,000
 be really helpful for us in some of those areas.

2596
03:10:48,000 --> 03:10:53,280
 When you go back and you think again about catalyst projects, where do we get started?

2597
03:10:53,280 --> 03:10:57,200
 You've heard a whole lot of stuff, and these were just some of the highlights, but there

2598
03:10:57,200 --> 03:11:03,000
 are pages and pages and pages of an Excel spreadsheet that we worked on and worked from

2599
03:11:03,000 --> 03:11:06,320
 near the end, identifying what could we do now?

2600
03:11:06,320 --> 03:11:09,520
 What could we use to get started as a catalyst?

2601
03:11:09,520 --> 03:11:11,320
 What do you start this process with?

2602
03:11:11,320 --> 03:11:12,620
 Where do you begin?

2603
03:11:12,620 --> 03:11:16,560
 Because it's a huge ongoing project from now on out.

2604
03:11:16,560 --> 03:11:19,900
 We're looking at this and working on these plans.

2605
03:11:19,900 --> 03:11:24,520
 Another catalyst project that was coming up, because this came up over and over again,

2606
03:11:24,520 --> 03:11:29,260
 was to repair the existing street lights in some of the areas and install street lights

2607
03:11:29,260 --> 03:11:31,640
 where they're needed.

2608
03:11:31,640 --> 03:11:35,080
 There's one here on Fry Street that you can see, and then here's another on Stella.

2609
03:11:35,080 --> 03:11:40,620
 You can just barely see the little pocket park or the park that's on the corner there

2610
03:11:40,620 --> 03:11:43,080
 behind the dumpster.

2611
03:11:43,080 --> 03:11:45,400
 A lot of these places don't have any street lights.

2612
03:11:45,400 --> 03:11:49,680
 If there are street lights, they're not functional.

2613
03:11:49,680 --> 03:11:54,920
 The one here on Stella Street is these telephone poles are set to be replaced with the power

2614
03:11:54,920 --> 03:11:57,680
 poles for DME.

2615
03:11:57,680 --> 03:12:01,880
 We do have assurance that DME is going to put those lights back up there.

2616
03:12:01,880 --> 03:12:03,320
 That's also helpful.

2617
03:12:03,320 --> 03:12:07,760
 A catalyst project that everyone was interested in is getting more light into the area, so

2618
03:12:07,760 --> 03:12:09,480
 sidewalks, lighting.

2619
03:12:09,480 --> 03:12:14,780
 This goes back to the walkability and the compatibility of the different spaces.

2620
03:12:14,780 --> 03:12:19,880
 Another catalyst project that came up is in Area 3, and this is something that can be

2621
03:12:19,880 --> 03:12:25,720
 done immediately, minimal cost, that multiple people identified.

2622
03:12:25,720 --> 03:12:29,840
 That's to expand the two-way stop at Bernard and Collins to a four-way stop.

2623
03:12:29,840 --> 03:12:33,280
 It's a nice, long stretch.

2624
03:12:33,280 --> 03:12:35,360
 People get going pretty fast.

2625
03:12:35,360 --> 03:12:38,480
 Over and over again, we heard from people on the committee and from people who came

2626
03:12:38,480 --> 03:12:44,060
 to the community meetings, this was something that needed to happen.

2627
03:12:44,060 --> 03:12:49,560
 Here's another thing in Area 1 and Area 2, where they come together, a catalyst project.

2628
03:12:49,560 --> 03:12:54,680
 Because of the things that are happening in the city right now, we might be able to make

2629
03:12:54,680 --> 03:12:59,280
 some improvements to existing parks and identify new park opportunities.

2630
03:12:59,280 --> 03:13:03,800
 The Bonny Bray expansion is going to make major changes to the landscape down there

2631
03:13:03,800 --> 03:13:04,800
 in that area.

2632
03:13:04,800 --> 03:13:11,680
 It's going to isolate a little spot and open up some spaces.

2633
03:13:11,680 --> 03:13:15,940
 Parks opportunities, the UNT property at Bradley Street has been discussed.

2634
03:13:15,940 --> 03:13:19,520
 There's a little place there that could easily become a park at park.

2635
03:13:19,520 --> 03:13:23,800
 There's very few parks in this area.

2636
03:13:23,800 --> 03:13:29,100
 The decommissioned DME property on the northwest corner of Bonny Bray and Hickory Street could

2637
03:13:29,100 --> 03:13:34,160
 possibly become utilized as a pocket park, a wider, linear park, as they're talking

2638
03:13:34,160 --> 03:13:38,720
 about along Bonny Bray.

2639
03:13:38,720 --> 03:13:42,200
 One of the recommendations that comes through over and over again is we're not going to

2640
03:13:42,200 --> 03:13:47,160
 be able to do this if we don't engage the community groups to participate in the implementation

2641
03:13:47,160 --> 03:13:49,680
 of this.

2642
03:13:49,680 --> 03:13:52,640
 We don't envision that it's going to be the city coming in and say, "This is the way it's

2643
03:13:52,640 --> 03:13:53,640
 going to be."

2644
03:13:53,640 --> 03:13:57,200
 It's going to be the communities coming back to the city and saying, "This is how we would

2645
03:13:57,200 --> 03:13:58,520
 like to do this.

2646
03:13:58,520 --> 03:14:01,360
 This is where we would like to go with these sort of things."

2647
03:14:01,360 --> 03:14:06,840
 We really do have to encourage citizen engagement and keep them involved in the process.

2648
03:14:06,840 --> 03:14:16,560
 Well, okay, what we had to look at, once again, with a lot of the spreadsheets, was what were

2649
03:14:16,560 --> 03:14:19,600
 the priority recommendations?

2650
03:14:19,600 --> 03:14:21,700
 What did we want to fix off the bat?

2651
03:14:21,700 --> 03:14:24,720
 What did we want to look at first?

2652
03:14:24,720 --> 03:14:32,360
 We came up, or the city people came up with recommended implementation timelines, short-term,

2653
03:14:32,360 --> 03:14:38,760
 medium-term, and long-term, and implementing agencies would need to be identified.

2654
03:14:38,760 --> 03:14:43,280
 Some we have already identified in this paperwork, who needs to work together to get something

2655
03:14:43,280 --> 03:14:48,480
 done, and the catalyst in ongoing projects that you've just seen here.

2656
03:14:48,480 --> 03:14:52,560
 Those were the beginning points for us.

2657
03:14:52,560 --> 03:14:56,940
 We did have a quorum in our last meeting last Thursday night.

2658
03:14:56,940 --> 03:14:58,120
 We looked at all of this.

2659
03:14:58,120 --> 03:15:03,080
 We looked at sheets and sheets of stuff that we've written on all three plans, and on the

2660
03:15:03,080 --> 03:15:09,040
 areas as they combine as a whole, and also is how they influence other areas right adjacent

2661
03:15:09,040 --> 03:15:11,360
 to these areas.

2662
03:15:11,360 --> 03:15:17,800
 We did recommend, as a committee, approval 11 to 0.

2663
03:15:17,800 --> 03:15:22,000
 Staff is also recommending approval of the draft visions, goals, recommendations, and

2664
03:15:22,000 --> 03:15:23,000
 implementing strategies.

2665
03:15:23,000 --> 03:15:24,880
 You ready to come back up, Ron?

2666
03:15:24,880 --> 03:15:31,080
 We're going to let Ron field out all your questions and point to the rest of us.

2667
03:15:31,080 --> 03:15:32,080
 Thank you.

2668
03:15:32,080 --> 03:15:33,080
 Thank you.

2669
03:15:33,080 --> 03:15:34,080
 Appreciate the time.

2670
03:15:34,080 --> 03:15:38,240
 I know it was a long presentation, but this was an important project.

2671
03:15:38,240 --> 03:15:40,960
 We want to make sure we cover it as much as we could.

2672
03:15:40,960 --> 03:15:46,400
 With that, I'm happy to answer any questions that you all may have.

2673
03:15:46,400 --> 03:15:47,400
 I think we do, Ron.

2674
03:15:47,400 --> 03:15:50,540
 If I could just say a couple of things to the commissioners.

2675
03:15:50,540 --> 03:15:57,200
 If you have specific questions to staff, then let's ask them and get them answered, but

2676
03:15:57,200 --> 03:16:00,680
 maybe not long discussion, because it is a public hearing.

2677
03:16:00,680 --> 03:16:04,160
 We do have people who want to speak, so we do have more things to listen to.

2678
03:16:04,160 --> 03:16:05,160
 Okay?

2679
03:16:05,160 --> 03:16:06,160
 Please.

2680
03:16:06,160 --> 03:16:07,160
 Commissioner Smith.

2681
03:16:07,160 --> 03:16:08,160
 Thank you, Vice Chair.

2682
03:16:08,160 --> 03:16:14,840
 Ron, just to get clarification, it is a vote of vote, or really I should say it's more

2683
03:16:14,840 --> 03:16:20,280
 of a legal question, but what you're wanting to get approved tonight is a recommendation

2684
03:16:20,280 --> 03:16:26,480
 to city council that just gives them essentially direction on what this plan would be, would

2685
03:16:26,480 --> 03:16:32,400
 just be direction for what the neighborhood wants this area to become and how it wants

2686
03:16:32,400 --> 03:16:33,400
 to be treated.

2687
03:16:33,400 --> 03:16:34,400
 It's not specific projects.

2688
03:16:34,400 --> 03:16:39,360
 It's not even specific details in relation to specific projects in that area, but it's

2689
03:16:39,360 --> 03:16:47,160
 more of this plan gives an overview direction for this geographical location in our city

2690
03:16:47,160 --> 03:16:51,360
 and what the people who are involved in this committee, which were a lot of residents who

2691
03:16:51,360 --> 03:16:54,520
 live in that area, what they would like to see this area treated as.

2692
03:16:54,520 --> 03:16:55,520
 Is that correct?

2693
03:16:55,520 --> 03:16:56,520
 That is correct.

2694
03:16:56,520 --> 03:17:04,060
 It's an area plan, a plan for the area, recommendations, what happens after.

2695
03:17:04,060 --> 03:17:09,720
 We have to go through an implementation of it, and that would, if required, need to go

2696
03:17:09,720 --> 03:17:14,960
 to certain groups in particular.

2697
03:17:14,960 --> 03:17:19,880
 If it's a utility, if it's a planning relay, we'll have to come back to you all, but it's

2698
03:17:19,880 --> 03:17:22,960
 just a recommendation, a guide of what we need to do next.

2699
03:17:22,960 --> 03:17:23,960
 Correct.

2700
03:17:23,960 --> 03:17:24,960
 Thank you very much.

2701
03:17:24,960 --> 03:17:25,960
 I appreciate it.

2702
03:17:25,960 --> 03:17:30,440
 If I could add on to that, it's not a plan, as I understand it, in the sense of a plan

2703
03:17:30,440 --> 03:17:36,280
 amendment under the plan amendment procedure of the DDC, and I know that's rather confusing

2704
03:17:36,280 --> 03:17:43,120
 because it was posted for a double public hearing as if it were a recommendation to

2705
03:17:43,120 --> 03:17:52,920
 the city council to change the plan that would influence and give credibility to future zoning

2706
03:17:52,920 --> 03:17:57,560
 actions that would be taken in accordance with it.

2707
03:17:57,560 --> 03:18:06,320
 There are a number of provisions in here that are not within the scope of the planning and

2708
03:18:06,320 --> 03:18:13,120
 zoning commission's charge necessarily, like, for example, the layout of traffic devices

2709
03:18:13,120 --> 03:18:21,040
 on public streets or parking enforcement methodologies, the use of parking funds, the creation of

2710
03:18:21,040 --> 03:18:31,120
 parking committees that would not be binding upon future zoning cases, even with a recommendation

2711
03:18:31,120 --> 03:18:35,840
 that would be brought forward.

2712
03:18:35,840 --> 03:18:42,560
 It's a recommendation that's brought forward to the planning and zoning commission as an

2713
03:18:42,560 --> 03:18:51,680
 advisory board in much the way that a rate ordinance might be recommended to the city

2714
03:18:51,680 --> 03:18:54,600
 council by the public utilities board.

2715
03:18:54,600 --> 03:19:02,040
 So in making a recommendation, passing along to the city council, this is the hard work

2716
03:19:02,040 --> 03:19:09,720
 of this committee, these are the recommendations that they would like to see in this area,

2717
03:19:09,720 --> 03:19:14,640
 but because of the way that this was posted, because of the possibility that there could

2718
03:19:14,640 --> 03:19:21,160
 be confusion, you know, I just wanted to make sure that there wasn't confusion.

2719
03:19:21,160 --> 03:19:26,880
 It's not a plan in the sense of a plan amendment procedure of the DDC, it's not a plan in the

2720
03:19:26,880 --> 03:19:32,400
 sense of a comprehensive plan or a comprehensive plan amendment.

2721
03:19:32,400 --> 03:19:36,080
 Thank you, Jerry.

2722
03:19:36,080 --> 03:19:37,080
 Commissioner Sanchez.

2723
03:19:37,080 --> 03:19:43,920
 I guess my question is, the committee has done a great job of identifying needs for

2724
03:19:43,920 --> 03:19:46,000
 each of those areas.

2725
03:19:46,000 --> 03:19:51,760
 Does a committee, is a committee going to continue, or that's it?

2726
03:19:51,760 --> 03:19:55,080
 So once the plan has been created, they resolve?

2727
03:19:55,080 --> 03:20:00,640
 Correct, that was their task, and the committee will dissolve once this recommendation is

2728
03:20:00,640 --> 03:20:03,600
 brought forward to city council.

2729
03:20:03,600 --> 03:20:06,680
 Commissioner Pernao.

2730
03:20:06,680 --> 03:20:12,360
 And I just kind of wanted to go back and clarify, you know, some of the points that you, in

2731
03:20:12,360 --> 03:20:14,580
 legal, just made.

2732
03:20:14,580 --> 03:20:20,200
 So during the presentation, I know there was a discussion about things that were in the

2733
03:20:20,200 --> 03:20:27,000
 plan that weren't specifically what I guess some of the members of the committee had agreed

2734
03:20:27,000 --> 03:20:28,000
 on.

2735
03:20:28,000 --> 03:20:30,800
 I think bike lanes was one of them and everything.

2736
03:20:30,800 --> 03:20:33,680
 And I just wanted to stress kind of what you were saying.

2737
03:20:33,680 --> 03:20:39,640
 When we vote to approve this, what we're not doing is saying this is exactly how things

2738
03:20:39,640 --> 03:20:42,520
 are going to go, this is just a general overview.

2739
03:20:42,520 --> 03:20:49,860
 And in particular, things like a bike lane or the, you know, the textured walk crossways,

2740
03:20:49,860 --> 03:20:53,300
 those aren't in the purview of planning and zoning anyway, right?

2741
03:20:53,300 --> 03:20:54,300
 Right.

2742
03:20:54,300 --> 03:20:55,300
 Okay.

2743
03:20:55,300 --> 03:21:00,520
 There's no super majority vote that will be created as a consequence of your vote tonight

2744
03:21:00,520 --> 03:21:02,760
 with city council.

2745
03:21:02,760 --> 03:21:09,720
 It's just, you know, forwarding along the recommendations of this committee and confirming

2746
03:21:09,720 --> 03:21:18,200
 that you did hold a public hearing on this and letting the council consider it, you know,

2747
03:21:18,200 --> 03:21:22,960
 within their purview as a legislative body of the city of Denton.

2748
03:21:22,960 --> 03:21:23,960
 Okay.

2749
03:21:23,960 --> 03:21:28,760
 And this one I think would go back to Ms. Lyke.

2750
03:21:28,760 --> 03:21:34,120
 We kind of had a little question about, the first thing I wanted to ask was, you used

2751
03:21:34,120 --> 03:21:41,200
 the phrase intensity versus density and can we get a clarification on, you know, what

2752
03:21:41,200 --> 03:21:45,840
 the idea is between the distinction of those two terms when related to cement city?

2753
03:21:45,840 --> 03:21:46,840
 Yeah.

2754
03:21:46,840 --> 03:21:48,120
 I would have to say it is an idea.

2755
03:21:48,120 --> 03:21:49,120
 This is not a codification.

2756
03:21:49,120 --> 03:21:50,120
 Okay.

2757
03:21:50,120 --> 03:21:53,400
 This is something, you're not going to find it in black's law, let me tell you.

2758
03:21:53,400 --> 03:21:54,400
 Okay.

2759
03:21:54,400 --> 03:22:01,320
 But as we talked about this idea in cement city, for instance, that we didn't want to

2760
03:22:01,320 --> 03:22:09,480
 necessarily demand that we increase density on a one acre, for instance.

2761
03:22:09,480 --> 03:22:10,480
 Okay.

2762
03:22:10,480 --> 03:22:17,760
 So the number of, you know, the number of bodies that could inhabit one acre might not

2763
03:22:17,760 --> 03:22:28,440
 necessarily change per recommendation, but the intensity of use in an area might change.

2764
03:22:28,440 --> 03:22:37,880
 Right now that area allows for, I think, 40 foot buildings, but there's a height max in

2765
03:22:37,880 --> 03:22:38,880
 that area.

2766
03:22:38,880 --> 03:22:39,880
 Right.

2767
03:22:39,880 --> 03:22:45,000
 And that means that necessarily those apartment complexes have spread.

2768
03:22:45,000 --> 03:22:50,240
 Now that is an area that's close to the highway, it's close to UNT.

2769
03:22:50,240 --> 03:22:58,280
 So they are ripe for higher buildings, taller buildings, more vertical buildings that might

2770
03:22:58,280 --> 03:23:06,240
 then be going up, allow for more green space, allow for some of the, you know, more parks

2771
03:23:06,240 --> 03:23:08,040
 as we've been talking about.

2772
03:23:08,040 --> 03:23:14,400
 So the intensity on that like three quarters acre might increase, but the density over

2773
03:23:14,400 --> 03:23:21,880
 one acre might not because the other quarter acre could remain green space or, you know,

2774
03:23:21,880 --> 03:23:24,160
 shared parks.

2775
03:23:24,160 --> 03:23:28,600
 So it's more like the difference between capacity versus footprint, right?

2776
03:23:28,600 --> 03:23:29,600
 Yeah.

2777
03:23:29,600 --> 03:23:30,600
 Okay.

2778
03:23:30,600 --> 03:23:31,600
 Right.

2779
03:23:31,600 --> 03:23:32,600
 Right.

2780
03:23:32,600 --> 03:23:33,600
 Yeah.

2781
03:23:33,600 --> 03:23:35,520
 The other thing that I wanted to, and somebody mentioned it when we were talking about it,

2782
03:23:35,520 --> 03:23:39,920
 and I think you mentioned it as well, the loss of SAC and SAFE as far as the grocery

2783
03:23:39,920 --> 03:23:40,920
 store.

2784
03:23:40,920 --> 03:23:43,200
 And that's one of the things that's kind of occurred to me in that area that we have

2785
03:23:43,200 --> 03:23:46,920
 effectively created a food desert because I guess people would have to go to Albertson's

2786
03:23:46,920 --> 03:23:54,360
 Way over in Bonnie Bray or, but I guess Kroger, which is far away and not, you know, compatible

2787
03:23:54,360 --> 03:23:56,200
 with foot traffic.

2788
03:23:56,200 --> 03:24:04,120
 Are there areas that y'all have identified where we might be able to put or entice maybe

2789
03:24:04,120 --> 03:24:12,080
 a grocery store that would make those areas more accessible for people on foot to get

2790
03:24:12,080 --> 03:24:13,080
 basic staples?

2791
03:24:13,080 --> 03:24:22,280
 Well, we were not able to identify specific lots or specific areas, but as like Ron was

2792
03:24:22,280 --> 03:24:30,080
 saying, we're doing our best to give suggestions so that we create a hope which could create

2793
03:24:30,080 --> 03:24:38,000
 an expectation that those services would become part of these neighborhoods.

2794
03:24:38,000 --> 03:24:44,160
 But I don't believe that we could establish a particular site where we would say that's

2795
03:24:44,160 --> 03:24:48,840
 definitely where we would put that particular, you know, grocery store.

2796
03:24:48,840 --> 03:24:54,280
 And by that I didn't mean a specific site, but like, you know, I know that there are

2797
03:24:54,280 --> 03:25:00,640
 different ideals identified as to where things could go, were there any areas that y'all

2798
03:25:00,640 --> 03:25:05,840
 thought are in general would be an area where that could, you know, we could see that kind

2799
03:25:05,840 --> 03:25:06,840
 of development?

2800
03:25:06,840 --> 03:25:12,360
 Well, we did think, of course, that sub area two, if there was an area that was going to

2801
03:25:12,360 --> 03:25:20,680
 be revitalized would be a perfect place for small grocery stores.

2802
03:25:20,680 --> 03:25:26,080
 People do talk about the failure of many of the small grocery stores that have popped

2803
03:25:26,080 --> 03:25:33,080
 up in Denton, but another member of our steering committee has seen very successful bodegas

2804
03:25:33,080 --> 03:25:38,600
 go in, in many of the surrounding communities.

2805
03:25:38,600 --> 03:25:46,560
 So something small, something that is, again, this intensity meets the neighborhood, and

2806
03:25:46,560 --> 03:25:49,600
 I think sub area two would be a great place.

2807
03:25:49,600 --> 03:25:53,440
 We apparently know nothing about what's going in right now.

2808
03:25:53,440 --> 03:26:02,200
 What will go in south of UNT, where, you know, Poncho's was, that whole Carriage Square area.

2809
03:26:02,200 --> 03:26:03,200
 Right.

2810
03:26:03,200 --> 03:26:04,200
 Carriage Square.

2811
03:26:04,200 --> 03:26:05,200
 Okay.

2812
03:26:05,200 --> 03:26:06,200
 Yeah.

2813
03:26:06,200 --> 03:26:07,200
 All right.

2814
03:26:07,200 --> 03:26:08,200
 That's a little bit.

2815
03:26:08,200 --> 03:26:09,200
 Yeah.

2816
03:26:09,200 --> 03:26:10,200
 Thank you.

2817
03:26:10,200 --> 03:26:11,200
 Okay.

2818
03:26:11,200 --> 03:26:12,200
 This is a public hearing.

2819
03:26:12,200 --> 03:26:13,200
 I've got some cards to speak.

2820
03:26:13,200 --> 03:26:24,520
 Kevin Marshall, is that your name and address, and your time will begin?

2821
03:26:24,520 --> 03:26:25,520
 Yeah.

2822
03:26:25,520 --> 03:26:29,120
 So I just came here ... I need your name and address for the record.

2823
03:26:29,120 --> 03:26:30,480
 Your name and address for the record.

2824
03:26:30,480 --> 03:26:31,480
 Kevin Marshall.

2825
03:26:31,480 --> 03:26:32,480
 Thank you.

2826
03:26:32,480 --> 03:26:35,680
 700 West Hickory Street.

2827
03:26:35,680 --> 03:26:42,720
 I own a property, 700 West Hickory Street, and also a business there.

2828
03:26:42,720 --> 03:26:49,000
 So I mainly just came today to point out ... I mean, everything that I've heard so far has

2829
03:26:49,000 --> 03:26:55,840
 been really nice, because I think everything from the trees to the zoning areas are different

2830
03:26:55,840 --> 03:26:59,480
 things that apply to me with two of the locations that I have.

2831
03:26:59,480 --> 03:27:07,440
 But the main thing is, whenever y'all are looking at developing out Hickory and that

2832
03:27:07,440 --> 03:27:14,920
 area in there, the main thing that I wanted to kind of push forward is, I definitely think

2833
03:27:14,920 --> 03:27:22,360
 when we develop that area that we need a designated bike lane and not shared lanes.

2834
03:27:22,360 --> 03:27:26,360
 That's one thing I sit there and do all day long is watch cyclists and pedestrians walk

2835
03:27:26,360 --> 03:27:28,000
 down the road.

2836
03:27:28,000 --> 03:27:32,400
 And there are constantly ... I mean, there's more pedestrians walking from campus to the

2837
03:27:32,400 --> 03:27:39,040
 square than there are cyclists, and the sidewalks are definitely packed out.

2838
03:27:39,040 --> 03:27:43,720
 I ride on that road probably every day.

2839
03:27:43,720 --> 03:27:49,480
 And it's definitely not a safe area if you've ever been there on a bike.

2840
03:27:49,480 --> 03:27:52,720
 People leave campus in quite a hurry in their cars.

2841
03:27:52,720 --> 03:27:57,620
 So I know my friend actually sits out, he also owns property on Hickory, and he sits

2842
03:27:57,620 --> 03:28:06,320
 out there with a ... he's got a laser speed gun and tracks how fast people are going in

2843
03:28:06,320 --> 03:28:09,760
 his front yard.

2844
03:28:09,760 --> 03:28:14,600
 So there are people constantly flying down that road, so we definitely need a safe way

2845
03:28:14,600 --> 03:28:19,520
 to get back and forth from campus to the square.

2846
03:28:19,520 --> 03:28:22,480
 But that was the main thing that I was just gonna point out.

2847
03:28:22,480 --> 03:28:28,920
 I think I love the idea of developing the area, actually doing some multi-zoning where

2848
03:28:28,920 --> 03:28:35,040
 it can be residential, but leaving ... I mean, I'm one of the rare spots where I'm in a historic

2849
03:28:35,040 --> 03:28:40,320
 district, but I am a residential historic district, but I am a business right there.

2850
03:28:40,320 --> 03:28:45,440
 So I know it's been really good for me, and there are some other businesses there.

2851
03:28:45,440 --> 03:28:52,640
 I really like everything that I heard in y'all's plan, it all sounded really good, seemed like

2852
03:28:52,640 --> 03:28:56,400
 it was moving in the right direction for that area.

2853
03:28:56,400 --> 03:29:02,920
 But definitely when we are looking at doing that, we need to give cyclists a safe way

2854
03:29:02,920 --> 03:29:07,360
 to get from campus, because you are gonna have ... you're gonna end up having people

2855
03:29:07,360 --> 03:29:09,240
 get killed.

2856
03:29:09,240 --> 03:29:11,840
 That's really what it comes down to.

2857
03:29:11,840 --> 03:29:18,900
 Over the years, I've lost a couple of customers just from automobile accidents, getting hit,

2858
03:29:18,900 --> 03:29:24,560
 being cyclists, getting hit by cars, and so that is something that you will see, and you'll

2859
03:29:24,560 --> 03:29:30,800
 look back on the development of that area and the decision to share that road.

2860
03:29:30,800 --> 03:29:34,320
 So I think it's pretty serious, and we need to take it with that weight.

2861
03:29:34,320 --> 03:29:35,320
 But yeah.

2862
03:29:35,320 --> 03:29:36,320
 Thank y'all.

2863
03:29:36,320 --> 03:29:37,980
 Y'all are doing a great job.

2864
03:29:37,980 --> 03:29:38,980
 Thank you.

2865
03:29:38,980 --> 03:29:40,400
 I shall mark you in support.

2866
03:29:40,400 --> 03:29:43,120
 You didn't mark your card, so in support of what you heard today?

2867
03:29:43,120 --> 03:29:44,120
 Yeah.

2868
03:29:44,120 --> 03:29:47,920
 Support and support of having designated cycling lanes.

2869
03:29:47,920 --> 03:29:48,920
 Very good.

2870
03:29:48,920 --> 03:29:53,920
 Thank you for coming out.

2871
03:29:53,920 --> 03:29:54,920
 Commissioner Cole.

2872
03:29:54,920 --> 03:29:58,400
 I just had a quick question for you.

2873
03:29:58,400 --> 03:30:03,160
 I mean, you're in the battle zone, so if you could guesstimate, I mean, the last two days

2874
03:30:03,160 --> 03:30:06,720
 I've seen two people almost get killed on a bicycle.

2875
03:30:06,720 --> 03:30:09,880
 In a week, how many close calls do you see?

2876
03:30:09,880 --> 03:30:10,880
 Yeah.

2877
03:30:10,880 --> 03:30:20,720
 I was actually, I mean, leaving the Frey Street area where somebody was going so fast they

2878
03:30:20,720 --> 03:30:24,840
 lost control on their car and hit a telephone pole and died.

2879
03:30:24,840 --> 03:30:30,280
 So me and my friend walked up on that.

2880
03:30:30,280 --> 03:30:31,280
 So yeah.

2881
03:30:31,280 --> 03:30:37,520
 It's definitely something that's a problem, like there needs to be, I mean, even the sidewalk

2882
03:30:37,520 --> 03:30:44,880
 right there, I would love to see the sidewalk developed out where even being able to walk,

2883
03:30:44,880 --> 03:30:49,440
 because I have daughters and we get on their bikes and we'll go on the sidewalk and go

2884
03:30:49,440 --> 03:30:53,500
 all the way down to Beth Marie's and J&J's Pizza on the Square.

2885
03:30:53,500 --> 03:30:58,760
 And so just having sidewalks that they could even go where there's a ramp so that when

2886
03:30:58,760 --> 03:31:02,920
 they're going off, I don't have to stop and like pick my daughter's bike up with her on

2887
03:31:02,920 --> 03:31:10,920
 it, but yeah, definitely even in the winter, like I've sat there and just counted and about

2888
03:31:10,920 --> 03:31:18,760
 every three minutes there's a cyclist riding down the bike lane right there.

2889
03:31:18,760 --> 03:31:26,680
 So there are cyclists all year round, but it's definitely, yeah, a high traffic area

2890
03:31:26,680 --> 03:31:30,440
 for, especially when campus lets out, there's a lot of traffic.

2891
03:31:30,440 --> 03:31:31,440
 Thanks.

2892
03:31:31,440 --> 03:31:36,320
 I appreciate it.

2893
03:31:36,320 --> 03:31:39,320
 Next card is Daisy Horta.

2894
03:31:39,320 --> 03:31:45,920
 If you'll state your name and address, please.

2895
03:31:45,920 --> 03:31:51,320
 Hi, my name is Daisy Horta, I live at the 3252 Bent Creek Drive.

2896
03:31:51,320 --> 03:31:52,320
 Hi.

2897
03:31:52,320 --> 03:31:54,880
 Is my time starting?

2898
03:31:54,880 --> 03:31:55,880
 All right.

2899
03:31:55,880 --> 03:31:56,880
 Okay.

2900
03:31:56,880 --> 03:31:57,880
 Hi there.

2901
03:31:57,880 --> 03:32:01,320
 I also came to talk about the bike lane there.

2902
03:32:01,320 --> 03:32:06,560
 I do agree with Kevin, everything that sounds really great as far as a zone, but I mean,

2903
03:32:06,560 --> 03:32:10,640
 as a person who does ride their bicycle, I did have concerns about the particular lane.

2904
03:32:10,640 --> 03:32:14,840
 I think that a shared space is a great idea, but it may be difficult to enforce because

2905
03:32:14,840 --> 03:32:16,160
 it's very high traffic.

2906
03:32:16,160 --> 03:32:21,640
 You do have the pedestrians, so sharing the thick sidewalk on the right-hand side is maybe

2907
03:32:21,640 --> 03:32:24,280
 not the best idea for that reason.

2908
03:32:24,280 --> 03:32:30,600
 A slower speeding limit is also going to be difficult to enforce.

2909
03:32:30,600 --> 03:32:36,000
 As someone earlier pointed out, when you have parking taken away, cars will find their ways

2910
03:32:36,000 --> 03:32:40,760
 around to neighboring neighborhoods where maybe the traffic is less and there are less pedestrians

2911
03:32:40,760 --> 03:32:43,740
 in that area, or at least they're not as congested.

2912
03:32:43,740 --> 03:32:49,480
 Having that specific lane there may be a way to get cars to park somewhere else.

2913
03:32:49,480 --> 03:32:53,560
 There's also that added thing that somebody else already pointed out is when cars open,

2914
03:32:53,560 --> 03:32:55,960
 it's going to be something that people don't really look at.

2915
03:32:55,960 --> 03:32:58,400
 Are there people behind you running bicycles?

2916
03:32:58,400 --> 03:33:02,880
 The lane is also going downhill on Hickory, so there's that added speed, again, with that

2917
03:33:02,880 --> 03:33:08,960
 enforcement of how do we enforce the speed limit, and so I just wanted to point out that

2918
03:33:08,960 --> 03:33:09,960
 concern.

2919
03:33:09,960 --> 03:33:10,960
 Thank you.

2920
03:33:10,960 --> 03:33:11,960
 >> Thank you.

2921
03:33:11,960 --> 03:33:12,960
 And Daisy?

2922
03:33:12,960 --> 03:33:13,960
 >> Do you have questions?

2923
03:33:13,960 --> 03:33:14,960
 >> Well, I have a question.

2924
03:33:14,960 --> 03:33:15,960
 >> Yes.

2925
03:33:15,960 --> 03:33:18,520
 >> Would you be in support or opposition of the-

2926
03:33:18,520 --> 03:33:19,520
 >> I'd be in support.

2927
03:33:19,520 --> 03:33:20,520
 >> Very good.

2928
03:33:20,520 --> 03:33:21,520
 >> Yes.

2929
03:33:21,520 --> 03:33:22,520
 >> Thank you so much.

2930
03:33:22,520 --> 03:33:23,520
 Thanks for speaking.

2931
03:33:23,520 --> 03:33:34,000
 I have Suzanne Rumore, who is speaking in opposition.

2932
03:33:34,000 --> 03:33:44,560
 >> Okay, hi, my name is Suzanne Rumore, and you pronounced it beautifully, it's my new

2933
03:33:44,560 --> 03:33:45,560
 last name.

2934
03:33:45,560 --> 03:33:52,880
 I live at 1700 Crescent Street, and I have been at all of the open houses and public meetings

2935
03:33:52,880 --> 03:33:58,520
 and everything regarding the Oak Gateway area plan, and also things involving the bike lane

2936
03:33:58,520 --> 03:34:00,680
 on West Hickory Street before that.

2937
03:34:00,680 --> 03:34:06,640
 I also want to applaud the steering committee, they've put in a lot of hard work, I really

2938
03:34:06,640 --> 03:34:08,680
 love the plan overall.

2939
03:34:08,680 --> 03:34:14,160
 My big concern is having gone to all of those open houses and public meetings, this is the

2940
03:34:14,160 --> 03:34:19,700
 first time that I've seen that option for the bike infrastructure.

2941
03:34:19,700 --> 03:34:24,600
 So we have not had the opportunity to vet that option, we have not had the opportunity

2942
03:34:24,600 --> 03:34:27,740
 to have any public input on that option.

2943
03:34:27,740 --> 03:34:32,480
 We had lots of options presented to us, but this is the first time we've seen that one,

2944
03:34:32,480 --> 03:34:33,920
 is today.

2945
03:34:33,920 --> 03:34:38,600
 So I have a pretty strong concern of moving forward a recommendation that was basically

2946
03:34:38,600 --> 03:34:42,040
 not presented publicly until today.

2947
03:34:42,040 --> 03:34:45,440
 Ideally what I would like to see is I would like to see the bike, West Hickory Street

2948
03:34:45,440 --> 03:34:49,840
 bike lane actually separated from the Oak Gateway area plan, because I feel like the

2949
03:34:49,840 --> 03:34:54,440
 area plan needs to move forward, I think it looks really good otherwise, but I don't want

2950
03:34:54,440 --> 03:34:58,720
 the bike lane holding it back, but I feel like this bike lane option needs to be separated

2951
03:34:58,720 --> 03:35:02,400
 and considered further, further vetted.

2952
03:35:02,400 --> 03:35:07,680
 One thing I would like to add is there's sort of been some chatter on Facebook, so on the

2953
03:35:07,680 --> 03:35:15,320
 Federal Highway Administration page, though I always say the word wrong, Wooernerf option

2954
03:35:15,320 --> 03:35:20,800
 that was presented, is generally designed for residential streets that have low volume

2955
03:35:20,800 --> 03:35:26,400
 of traffic, which probably doesn't define West Hickory Street, and it's also generally

2956
03:35:26,400 --> 03:35:31,000
 not appropriate where there's a need to provide for non-resident motorists to access services

2957
03:35:31,000 --> 03:35:32,680
 or through streets.

2958
03:35:32,680 --> 03:35:37,640
 So my understanding of West Hickory Street is it's supposed to carry quite a bit of traffic,

2959
03:35:37,640 --> 03:35:43,560
 so even this option may not be the best, but I'm definitely open to talking about it, discussing

2960
03:35:43,560 --> 03:35:47,920
 it, but we haven't had the opportunity to do that yet, and I see there's a lot of residents

2961
03:35:47,920 --> 03:35:52,480
 in Denton who have lived in places where that design exists, so some people who have lived

2962
03:35:52,480 --> 03:35:56,480
 in the Netherlands, we've got people in Denton who have lived there, and they can talk about

2963
03:35:56,480 --> 03:36:00,720
 their experience and do they think that would apply to this area, but we just haven't had

2964
03:36:00,720 --> 03:36:02,360
 the chance to discuss it yet.

2965
03:36:02,360 --> 03:36:07,860
 So I do approve of the overall Gateway Area Plan, but I don't approve of the recommendation

2966
03:36:07,860 --> 03:36:10,960
 for the West Hickory Street bike lane, so I wasn't sure what to write on the comment

2967
03:36:10,960 --> 03:36:11,960
 card.

2968
03:36:11,960 --> 03:36:12,960
 Thank you.

2969
03:36:12,960 --> 03:36:14,760
 We do have a question for you.

2970
03:36:14,760 --> 03:36:15,760
 Commissioner Beck.

2971
03:36:15,760 --> 03:36:16,760
 Thanks, Vice Chair.

2972
03:36:16,760 --> 03:36:20,600
 I think you actually answered it there at the end, so it's just strictly the bike lane

2973
03:36:20,600 --> 03:36:25,680
 itself, pedestrian walkways, you're not concerned about that, you're okay with what's being

2974
03:36:25,680 --> 03:36:33,760
 proposed in the Gateway Plan for that, right, but you want to distinguish the bike path

2975
03:36:33,760 --> 03:36:41,120
 of this vision plan they have from the overall plan, make it a separate deal, is that right?

2976
03:36:41,120 --> 03:36:45,600
 Yeah, I would like the bike lane topic to be separated from this overall plan so it

2977
03:36:45,600 --> 03:36:48,440
 can be discussed independently of the plan.

2978
03:36:48,440 --> 03:36:54,040
 Certainly we should consider the plan in the design options, but 2012 City Council actually

2979
03:36:54,040 --> 03:36:58,960
 approved a bike lane through this stretch, so the recommendation actually goes against

2980
03:36:58,960 --> 03:37:01,800
 a City Council approved bike plan.

2981
03:37:01,800 --> 03:37:05,560
 So that's another consideration and something that needs to be discussed further.

2982
03:37:05,560 --> 03:37:06,560
 Okay.

2983
03:37:06,560 --> 03:37:14,520
 I think too, if I can ask legal again, we're not actually approving a bike plan here, we're

2984
03:37:14,520 --> 03:37:21,120
 just approving this general plan and there will be room I believe down the road to delineate

2985
03:37:21,120 --> 03:37:24,480
 what will and won't be approved as far as bike lanes.

2986
03:37:24,480 --> 03:37:32,280
 Actually there's really no rule for PUB to approve anything, as I understand this.

2987
03:37:32,280 --> 03:37:41,800
 It's posted for a public hearing and P&Z can make a recommendation to City Council as it

2988
03:37:41,800 --> 03:37:51,840
 sees fit, but there's no requirement under the law for P&Z to make a recommendation at

2989
03:37:51,840 --> 03:37:57,440
 all and no consequence of a recommendation either way.

2990
03:37:57,440 --> 03:37:58,440
 Okay.

2991
03:37:58,440 --> 03:38:05,200
 I guess my concern here, because I understand her concern, Suzanne's concern, but I don't

2992
03:38:05,200 --> 03:38:11,000
 want to hold this up with the notion that her consideration isn't going to be considered.

2993
03:38:11,000 --> 03:38:13,040
 It will be, but on down the road.

2994
03:38:13,040 --> 03:38:15,040
 We're not going to negate...

2995
03:38:15,040 --> 03:38:16,040
 Right.

2996
03:38:16,040 --> 03:38:17,040
 Okay.

2997
03:38:17,040 --> 03:38:18,040
 Is that clear as mud?

2998
03:38:18,040 --> 03:38:19,040
 Yeah.

2999
03:38:19,040 --> 03:38:22,880
 As long as the bike lane can be separated further down the road, I would be good with it.

3000
03:38:22,880 --> 03:38:26,320
 Just my understanding is this, I guess you all are forwarding on the recommendation to

3001
03:38:26,320 --> 03:38:30,560
 City Council, but they're talking about it next Tuesday I think, so I'm kind of concerned

3002
03:38:30,560 --> 03:38:34,920
 that it's going to all end up in their lap and have not been separated or further discussed.

3003
03:38:34,920 --> 03:38:41,920
 Well, again, Jerry, but we're not going to make a recommendation about the bike plan

3004
03:38:41,920 --> 03:38:42,920
 itself.

3005
03:38:42,920 --> 03:38:49,420
 If you could recommend to separate it, I don't know if you all can do that, but...

3006
03:38:49,420 --> 03:38:59,200
 It's very confusing the way that is written here, and I think that the plan that's been

3007
03:38:59,200 --> 03:39:07,320
 brought forward does not appear to be and has been explained that it's not a comprehensive

3008
03:39:07,320 --> 03:39:13,480
 plan or comprehensive plan amendment that would ordinarily be within P&Z's charge to

3009
03:39:13,480 --> 03:39:16,320
 make a recommendation to City Council on.

3010
03:39:16,320 --> 03:39:21,540
 It appears to be something beyond that or something more than that and something other

3011
03:39:21,540 --> 03:39:31,760
 than that, so the P&Z is simply allowing the public hearing to take place and it will decide

3012
03:39:31,760 --> 03:39:36,960
 as it sees fit whether to make a recommendation to council or not.

3013
03:39:36,960 --> 03:39:38,360
 Thank you, Susan.

3014
03:39:38,360 --> 03:39:39,360
 Commissioner Prenda?

3015
03:39:39,360 --> 03:39:44,280
 And this is kind of along those lines because I know we started the public conversation

3016
03:39:44,280 --> 03:39:51,120
 with the idea that what we were voting on today was not a recommendation on bike lanes

3017
03:39:51,120 --> 03:39:55,200
 and stuff, but I know a lot of people have a concern about bike lanes.

3018
03:39:55,200 --> 03:40:01,880
 I just wanted to toss out to staff, so knowing that today what we're voting on is not about

3019
03:40:01,880 --> 03:40:06,240
 bike lanes and that bike lanes are actually not part of what we would vote on because

3020
03:40:06,240 --> 03:40:11,060
 it's not a planning and zoning thing, there are a number of concerns about what seems

3021
03:40:11,060 --> 03:40:14,680
 to be written out.

3022
03:40:14,680 --> 03:40:17,400
 What would be the normal process right now?

3023
03:40:17,400 --> 03:40:21,160
 Because I know we're not putting in a final plan to council.

3024
03:40:21,160 --> 03:40:25,600
 For the people who do have concerns about this, what would be their recourse for making

3025
03:40:25,600 --> 03:40:32,120
 sure that their concerns are registered with you before this goes to council?

3026
03:40:32,120 --> 03:40:33,120
 Sure.

3027
03:40:33,120 --> 03:40:34,120
 Appreciate the comment.

3028
03:40:34,120 --> 03:40:41,120
 The way I see it is this actual recommendation is just that, is a recommendation.

3029
03:40:41,120 --> 03:40:48,320
 Ultimately, the design of this area has got to go through a process, right?

3030
03:40:48,320 --> 03:40:56,640
 And if the commission wants to move forward a recommendation, you can put a condition

3031
03:40:56,640 --> 03:41:02,840
 or pull this particular recommendation out and make comments to it that you'll forward

3032
03:41:02,840 --> 03:41:06,920
 to city council, and they will ultimately make a decision on how they want to address it.

3033
03:41:06,920 --> 03:41:13,680
 So it's an opportunity to, like they were saying earlier, maybe recommend the rest,

3034
03:41:13,680 --> 03:41:17,960
 but this particular recommendation that's on the screen that you have in front of you

3035
03:41:17,960 --> 03:41:22,360
 may be something that needs further discussion, and certainly that you can provide that or

3036
03:41:22,360 --> 03:41:26,960
 forward that to city council.

3037
03:41:26,960 --> 03:41:34,360
 I do have one more card here, Garrett Lamour, speaking in opposition.

3038
03:41:34,360 --> 03:41:37,160
 Put your name and address, your time will begin.

3039
03:41:37,160 --> 03:41:43,280
 My name is Garrett Lamour, also at 1700 Crescent, and my card might be mislabeled.

3040
03:41:43,280 --> 03:41:48,920
 Overall, I'm in favor of the plan, there's a lot of great things in there.

3041
03:41:48,920 --> 03:41:57,560
 My main point for speaking tonight is also on the bike lane, and even though this commission

3042
03:41:57,560 --> 03:42:05,400
 is making a recommendation and it's not like legally binding or whatnot, the city council

3043
03:42:05,400 --> 03:42:12,880
 has looked at this bike lane before, and they, I forget what the exact procedure status was,

3044
03:42:12,880 --> 03:42:18,800
 but they kind of tabled it and attached it to the Oak Gateway area plan, just pending

3045
03:42:18,800 --> 03:42:20,160
 the outcome of that.

3046
03:42:20,160 --> 03:42:26,120
 So the recommendation that comes from this, I'd expect it to have a bit of weight in how

3047
03:42:26,120 --> 03:42:30,520
 they view moving forward.

3048
03:42:30,520 --> 03:42:36,800
 So with that, I do have some concerns with how the committees are recommending to not

3049
03:42:36,800 --> 03:42:38,380
 complete the bike lane.

3050
03:42:38,380 --> 03:42:46,360
 As Susie mentioned, the Wooner configuration was not presented at any of the open meetings,

3051
03:42:46,360 --> 03:42:52,200
 the public meetings, open houses, so really just kind of found out about it four hours

3052
03:42:52,200 --> 03:43:01,800
 ago, and so as far as I know, nobody's really seen any designs of what that will actually

3053
03:43:01,800 --> 03:43:02,800
 look like.

3054
03:43:02,800 --> 03:43:09,560
 We had the little mock-up of the crosswalks and some of the other niceties, but none of

3055
03:43:09,560 --> 03:43:14,520
 those really reflected kind of what I found with a Google image search, and so if you

3056
03:43:14,520 --> 03:43:19,880
 go and compare those, they're great spaces when you look those up, but they don't really

3057
03:43:19,880 --> 03:43:26,040
 identify with Hickory and its current configuration, and I couldn't see how that would be implemented

3058
03:43:26,040 --> 03:43:30,600
 without a lot more work and thought on how traffic would be redirected and such.

3059
03:43:30,600 --> 03:43:32,560
 So I think it's a larger project.

3060
03:43:32,560 --> 03:43:39,040
 So anyway, from my point of view, this idea hasn't been openly discussed or vetted, and

3061
03:43:39,040 --> 03:43:43,920
 we have an approved bike plan that calls for a continuous bike lane through that area,

3062
03:43:43,920 --> 03:43:53,560
 and through this plan, several designs from our city engineers were presented for consideration,

3063
03:43:53,560 --> 03:44:00,400
 and up until the meeting today, every indication was that it would recommend a bike lane of

3064
03:44:00,400 --> 03:44:06,120
 some form was the takeaway that I had for most of the meetings and communications.

3065
03:44:06,120 --> 03:44:14,360
 So I would recommend using one of those vetted designs, and basically pursue the feasibility

3066
03:44:14,360 --> 03:44:18,580
 of the Wooner at some other time under some other project.

3067
03:44:18,580 --> 03:44:21,120
 So thank you.

3068
03:44:21,120 --> 03:44:22,120
 Thank you.

3069
03:44:22,120 --> 03:44:23,120
 I don't see any questions.

3070
03:44:23,120 --> 03:44:24,120
 Thank you so much.

3071
03:44:24,120 --> 03:44:25,120
 Thank you very much.

3072
03:44:25,120 --> 03:44:32,120
 I don't have any other cards, but it is a public hearing, so anyone is welcome to speak.

3073
03:44:32,120 --> 03:44:37,160
 Jennifer's on her way down.

3074
03:44:37,160 --> 03:44:48,800
 Hey, Jennifer Lane, 1526 Willowwood Street, Denton, and I have ridden that area more in

3075
03:44:48,800 --> 03:44:53,840
 the past than I do these days, but I've ridden it a lot, and two things come to mind.

3076
03:44:53,840 --> 03:44:59,040
 One, with reference to the bike lane, one is that there's a lane there now.

3077
03:44:59,040 --> 03:45:04,160
 It's kind of almost erased, and the road has been torn up so much that it seems to be almost

3078
03:45:04,160 --> 03:45:09,080
 as if it weren't there, but it is in the memory of Denton that there's a bike lane already

3079
03:45:09,080 --> 03:45:16,340
 on Hickory, and so to refresh it and keep it seems to be part of the historical aspect

3080
03:45:16,340 --> 03:45:17,960
 of the district.

3081
03:45:17,960 --> 03:45:20,680
 It's one of the few that's been here a long time.

3082
03:45:20,680 --> 03:45:24,320
 The new ones that are coming in are really welcome and really nice, but that one's been

3083
03:45:24,320 --> 03:45:25,920
 there for a long time.

3084
03:45:25,920 --> 03:45:29,360
 I'm not exactly sure if the city did it, or if people just painted it, or what's going

3085
03:45:29,360 --> 03:45:32,600
 on with that bike lane, but there always was a little figure of a cyclist, and you sort

3086
03:45:32,600 --> 03:45:37,120
 of knew at least at one point to get in it.

3087
03:45:37,120 --> 03:45:43,880
 The other thing is that it seems to me that the plan in general is quite nice, perfect

3088
03:45:43,880 --> 03:45:53,920
 in many ways, and that cyclists will always use common sense, they'll always do what is

3089
03:45:53,920 --> 03:45:59,440
 safest as a cyclist, always that choice.

3090
03:45:59,440 --> 03:46:03,360
 So there has to be room for discretion for cyclists.

3091
03:46:03,360 --> 03:46:09,720
 For example, using the Idaho laws, for example, treating traffic lights as stops, and treating

3092
03:46:09,720 --> 03:46:14,120
 stops as yields allows cyclists, when there's nothing else happening, to sort of get out

3093
03:46:14,120 --> 03:46:19,160
 of the way, and then when the big things need to move fast, they're not competing with small

3094
03:46:19,160 --> 03:46:21,840
 vulnerable things.

3095
03:46:21,840 --> 03:46:29,880
 Treating it as a yield, drivers maybe need to realize that actually stopping the bicycle

3096
03:46:29,880 --> 03:46:34,240
 and getting off of the seat and standing is as if every car when it pulled up to a stop

3097
03:46:34,240 --> 03:46:36,920
 sign had to open the door and get out.

3098
03:46:36,920 --> 03:46:41,880
 That would be sort of equivalency in terms of the vulnerability created.

3099
03:46:41,880 --> 03:46:46,400
 And yet at the same time, it's quite dangerous to ride on sidewalks, which cyclists will

3100
03:46:46,400 --> 03:46:51,240
 often do when they feel unsafe in the street, and the reason that it's dangerous is because

3101
03:46:51,240 --> 03:46:54,200
 then when they get to the intersections, the cars haven't seen them.

3102
03:46:54,200 --> 03:46:57,920
 They're sort of hidden by bushes and shrubs and houses and things, and then all of a sudden

3103
03:46:57,920 --> 03:46:58,920
 a cyclist appears.

3104
03:46:58,920 --> 03:47:03,640
 We've had a number of city accidents from precisely that.

3105
03:47:03,640 --> 03:47:10,400
 So maybe even in the center of town, it's part of this plan, some of the bigger picture

3106
03:47:10,400 --> 03:47:16,200
 of how cyclists should function together with cars, together with pedestrians, might require

3107
03:47:16,200 --> 03:47:22,000
 some looking -- that's it.

3108
03:47:22,000 --> 03:47:23,360
 Safety first.

3109
03:47:23,360 --> 03:47:24,360
 Thanks.

3110
03:47:24,360 --> 03:47:27,240
 >> Thank you, Trevor.

3111
03:47:27,240 --> 03:47:30,720
 Anyone else wanting to speak on this item?

3112
03:47:30,720 --> 03:47:46,120
 >> I can be corrected if I'm mistaken in this regard, but I believe a recommendation is

3113
03:47:46,120 --> 03:47:53,320
 to complete a contiguous bike lane, but if there was the opportunity to make this distinct

3114
03:47:53,320 --> 03:47:58,400
 area even more safe through order of design to go that route.

3115
03:47:58,400 --> 03:48:05,680
 But I believe most everyone in the subcommittee is on board with completing that bike lane.

3116
03:48:05,680 --> 03:48:09,520
 >> Thank you for the clarification.

3117
03:48:09,520 --> 03:48:14,400
 Anyone else wishing to speak on this item?

3118
03:48:14,400 --> 03:48:22,520
 Seeing none, I will close the public hearing and entertain discussion or a motion.

3119
03:48:22,520 --> 03:48:23,520
 Commissioner Smith.

3120
03:48:23,520 --> 03:48:28,400
 >> I'm going to motion for approval on the recommendation to City Council for this with

3121
03:48:28,400 --> 03:48:36,880
 no amendments in regards to the bike lanes, not the -- that I feel that bike lanes are

3122
03:48:36,880 --> 03:48:43,800
 important or that I have no care for the Hickory bike lane or anything like that, but rather

3123
03:48:43,800 --> 03:48:50,320
 that the recommendation we're making tonight is just that it is a recommendation to the

3124
03:48:50,320 --> 03:48:54,920
 City Council to give direction for how this area should be treated, and that has been

3125
03:48:54,920 --> 03:49:00,240
 formed by a committee of the residents of the area, and that future projects, the implementation

3126
03:49:00,240 --> 03:49:06,040
 of those projects and how those projects look is not within the scope of what we are discussing

3127
03:49:06,040 --> 03:49:11,760
 tonight or what the recommendation is being made to City Council, and so a continuous

3128
03:49:11,760 --> 03:49:18,680
 bike lane through Hickory, whether the subcommittee talked about it or not, honestly, those are

3129
03:49:18,680 --> 03:49:23,760
 all just ideas and options that can happen in the future, and so the fact that they're

3130
03:49:23,760 --> 03:49:29,040
 not concrete details that are part of a plan that if we approve it tonight and that City

3131
03:49:29,040 --> 03:49:33,480
 Council approves it next Tuesday means that that's exactly how things have to be done.

3132
03:49:33,480 --> 03:49:34,480
 That's not what we're voting on.

3133
03:49:34,480 --> 03:49:35,840
 That's not what we're talking about.

3134
03:49:35,840 --> 03:49:43,800
 So I do want to vote an approval for this recommendation.

3135
03:49:43,800 --> 03:49:44,800
 Commissioner Cole.

3136
03:49:44,800 --> 03:49:48,300
 I'd like to second that.

3137
03:49:48,300 --> 03:49:53,480
 We have a motion on the floor to approve and a second.

3138
03:49:53,480 --> 03:49:54,480
 Commissioner Beck.

3139
03:49:54,480 --> 03:49:55,480
 Thank you, Vice Chair.

3140
03:49:55,480 --> 03:49:58,480
 I'm not going to have a hard time agreeing with this.

3141
03:49:58,480 --> 03:50:05,600
 I did have a few concerns I wanted to address to some of the members, if I may, and Patrice

3142
03:50:05,600 --> 03:50:11,200
 maybe if you could come forward and answer this, I think you'd be better served.

3143
03:50:11,200 --> 03:50:13,280
 We were talking about collegiate housing.

3144
03:50:13,280 --> 03:50:16,200
 I think we're talking about SROs, and it is an issue.

3145
03:50:16,200 --> 03:50:17,200
 It's a concern.

3146
03:50:17,200 --> 03:50:21,800
 It's something that we don't want to see over in sub area one.

3147
03:50:21,800 --> 03:50:27,000
 I've always kind of supported the notion that sub area or the cement city area would be

3148
03:50:27,000 --> 03:50:28,000
 a liking place.

3149
03:50:28,000 --> 03:50:32,620
 There'd have to be some zone changes, and that's something down the road, but as a member

3150
03:50:32,620 --> 03:50:43,180
 of the Denton Code Rewrite Subcommittee, as Commissioner Ellis is too, what would you

3151
03:50:43,180 --> 03:50:46,680
 say to this subcommittee about SROs?

3152
03:50:46,680 --> 03:50:52,680
 If you had something to offer the subcommittee, is this something that there's a place for

3153
03:50:52,680 --> 03:50:58,800
 them in Denton, or is this something we should probably stay away from?

3154
03:50:58,800 --> 03:51:08,120
 I would say that, first of all, the SRO business model as we look at it today was subsumed

3155
03:51:08,120 --> 03:51:15,280
 into multifamily when they first came into Denton maybe 15 years ago, because we didn't

3156
03:51:15,280 --> 03:51:17,880
 have ... It wasn't on our radar.

3157
03:51:17,880 --> 03:51:25,760
 We didn't think about that business model, ergo that floor plan, as being something that

3158
03:51:25,760 --> 03:51:28,960
 would be in Denton's landscape.

3159
03:51:28,960 --> 03:51:35,800
 When they were first proposed, when projects came forward, then the default was of course,

3160
03:51:35,800 --> 03:51:42,920
 "Oh, that is multifamily," because we didn't have another way to talk about them.

3161
03:51:42,920 --> 03:51:50,940
 With more of them coming online, more of them being built, and there are problems that are

3162
03:51:50,940 --> 03:51:55,280
 in-house with the SROs.

3163
03:51:55,280 --> 03:52:01,800
 There is ... You can ask the Denton PD, I've read things in the Denton paper, about the

3164
03:52:01,800 --> 03:52:09,360
 crime statistics within the buildings are higher than in, for instance, dormitories

3165
03:52:09,360 --> 03:52:15,600
 or in multifamily, because the students don't necessarily know each other going into rental

3166
03:52:15,600 --> 03:52:16,600
 contracts.

3167
03:52:16,600 --> 03:52:23,160
 There's a whole raft of problems that kind of fly under the radar, because they are problems

3168
03:52:23,160 --> 03:52:30,920
 that are happening with students, and students might not report everything.

3169
03:52:30,920 --> 03:52:34,480
 We just kind of defaulted into multifamily.

3170
03:52:34,480 --> 03:52:40,280
 Of course, what we're learning is one of the problems is that, again, like I said earlier,

3171
03:52:40,280 --> 03:52:49,960
 the development and the floor plan is fixed for that use into the lifespan of that building.

3172
03:52:49,960 --> 03:52:51,780
 A family can't live there.

3173
03:52:51,780 --> 03:52:57,600
 You may have some choice, real estate, that a family may be interested in living in a

3174
03:52:57,600 --> 03:52:58,600
 neighborhood.

3175
03:52:58,600 --> 03:53:03,720
 Sub-area one is sent students to the IB schools in Denton.

3176
03:53:03,720 --> 03:53:10,240
 Newton Razor Elementary, Calhoun Middle, and Denton High are all IB schools.

3177
03:53:10,240 --> 03:53:14,880
 You have to live in that area in order to go to the schools.

3178
03:53:14,880 --> 03:53:17,020
 The transfer list is huge.

3179
03:53:17,020 --> 03:53:21,560
 The number of transfers that, for instance, Newton Razor takes is very small.

3180
03:53:21,560 --> 03:53:28,880
 There may be families interested in living in that area that if we use truly multifamily

3181
03:53:28,880 --> 03:53:34,600
 in sub-area one, we could accommodate more families, because none of us said no, keep

3182
03:53:34,600 --> 03:53:37,920
 all multifamily out of sub-area one.

3183
03:53:37,920 --> 03:53:45,560
 With a collegiate housing designation, that could be something then that when you're approving,

3184
03:53:45,560 --> 03:53:52,120
 in planning and zoning, city council is approving a project, you know exactly what's coming

3185
03:53:52,120 --> 03:53:53,120
 in.

3186
03:53:53,120 --> 03:53:55,600
 You say, "Okay, this is collegiate housing.

3187
03:53:55,600 --> 03:53:58,840
 We have designations, areas where it is appropriate.

3188
03:53:58,840 --> 03:54:05,280
 We discussed where some of those areas would be," and then the transparency is built in

3189
03:54:05,280 --> 03:54:13,720
 to that particular zoning designation that will accommodate that particular use.

3190
03:54:13,720 --> 03:54:22,000
 As it is, you can come forward with a project for a multifamily zoning designation, but

3191
03:54:22,000 --> 03:54:28,880
 neighborhoods might not know what's coming your way until it's in the pipeline, as long

3192
03:54:28,880 --> 03:54:35,760
 as nothing has to have an ADP or an SUP or any type of additional overlay to it.

3193
03:54:35,760 --> 03:54:36,760
 Okay.

3194
03:54:36,760 --> 03:54:37,760
 Well, that's good.

3195
03:54:37,760 --> 03:54:39,240
 I appreciate that.

3196
03:54:39,240 --> 03:54:45,920
 Now, to the point that I believe either Commissioner Puneet or Commissioner Smith made about how

3197
03:54:45,920 --> 03:54:50,640
 this would impact low-income families over there, if we start building this, if we're

3198
03:54:50,640 --> 03:54:56,200
 tearing down older apartment complexes and building that, then we're raising costs.

3199
03:54:56,200 --> 03:55:03,960
 That would be a negative result of putting SROs over there, so how would you respond

3200
03:55:03,960 --> 03:55:04,960
 to that?

3201
03:55:04,960 --> 03:55:07,800
 I don't have a good answer for that.

3202
03:55:07,800 --> 03:55:15,080
 There is a lifespan, however, to all buildings, and we cannot guarantee at this moment that

3203
03:55:15,080 --> 03:55:22,200
 even as some of those genuinely multifamily buildings that are housing families, we cannot

3204
03:55:22,200 --> 03:55:31,520
 guarantee that when the building runs its lifespan, that it will not be changed to collegiate

3205
03:55:31,520 --> 03:55:35,120
 housing and SRO even at this moment.

3206
03:55:35,120 --> 03:55:36,120
 We can't change that.

3207
03:55:36,120 --> 03:55:38,120
 We can't do anything about that now.

3208
03:55:38,120 --> 03:55:39,120
 That's a good point.

3209
03:55:39,120 --> 03:55:46,080
 In that area, really, housing a lot of multifamily units now anyway would be, it would be less

3210
03:55:46,080 --> 03:55:52,240
 threatening, I guess, than if we were to put it over in a single-family residential area.

3211
03:55:52,240 --> 03:55:53,240
 Right.

3212
03:55:53,240 --> 03:55:54,240
 Okay.

3213
03:55:54,240 --> 03:55:59,080
 Then I think I have one question for ... Thank you, Patrice, by the way.

3214
03:55:59,080 --> 03:56:06,280
 Christopher Walker, I believe, you were the one that addressed the parking thing.

3215
03:56:06,280 --> 03:56:08,480
 Benefit district, yes.

3216
03:56:08,480 --> 03:56:12,800
 I guess my question on that was what kind of authority would a private force that you're

3217
03:56:12,800 --> 03:56:20,120
 talking about that monitors the parking with fees or what, how would they compel adherence

3218
03:56:20,120 --> 03:56:25,800
 if it's not the police force, if it's not the police, how's a private force going to

3219
03:56:25,800 --> 03:56:26,800
 compel adherence?

3220
03:56:26,800 --> 03:56:32,800
 The recognition is not exactly a private force, but a public-private joint partnership force.

3221
03:56:32,800 --> 03:56:33,800
 Okay.

3222
03:56:33,800 --> 03:56:34,800
 Elaborate on that a little bit.

3223
03:56:34,800 --> 03:56:41,120
 Public-private entities and agencies are a common thing across the country and in different

3224
03:56:41,120 --> 03:56:49,280
 cities and whatnot in which it is governed by city as an agency, but has continued extenuating

3225
03:56:49,280 --> 03:56:58,160
 governance through boards and commissions to this proposal, a board of similar to our

3226
03:56:58,160 --> 03:57:04,440
 body that the subcommittee is of the relevant stakeholders in this impacted area.

3227
03:57:04,440 --> 03:57:05,440
 Okay.

3228
03:57:05,440 --> 03:57:11,600
 It would actually be then police that would be enforcing the violation?

3229
03:57:11,600 --> 03:57:15,280
 Part of the recommendation of this is evaluating whether that would be more efficient for either

3230
03:57:15,280 --> 03:57:23,880
 police or enforcement staff from that agency to be the enforcement staff.

3231
03:57:23,880 --> 03:57:32,480
 You don't see any problem with people, you're not the police force, sorry, get out of here.

3232
03:57:32,480 --> 03:57:36,120
 One of the things that we did discuss and would need to be worked through is how is

3233
03:57:36,120 --> 03:57:38,600
 that fine then taken, how does that go?

3234
03:57:38,600 --> 03:57:39,600
 Does that go to municipal court?

3235
03:57:39,600 --> 03:57:43,920
 How does the money from that work back out of the court itself?

3236
03:57:43,920 --> 03:57:44,920
 Okay.

3237
03:57:44,920 --> 03:57:48,560
 Does that go into the agency to support the agency's endeavors, but no, it would, the

3238
03:57:48,560 --> 03:57:56,320
 fine and fee itself, the penalty, the punitive act of going against what the parking benefit

3239
03:57:56,320 --> 03:58:01,280
 district would establish would be fines and fees similar to any other fee that would end

3240
03:58:01,280 --> 03:58:02,280
 up in municipal court.

3241
03:58:02,280 --> 03:58:04,760
 And it would be dealt with in the legal community?

3242
03:58:04,760 --> 03:58:05,760
 Yes.

3243
03:58:05,760 --> 03:58:06,760
 Okay.

3244
03:58:06,760 --> 03:58:07,760
 Great.

3245
03:58:07,760 --> 03:58:08,760
 Thank you.

3246
03:58:08,760 --> 03:58:10,760
 That's all I've got.

3247
03:58:10,760 --> 03:58:11,760
 Okay.

3248
03:58:11,760 --> 03:58:14,000
 I've just got a couple of comments.

3249
03:58:14,000 --> 03:58:19,960
 I think the committee has done a great job and put together some really thorough information.

3250
03:58:19,960 --> 03:58:22,960
 I think you missed density in this discussion.

3251
03:58:22,960 --> 03:58:28,600
 I don't think we've marked any areas as being something that could grow more densely and

3252
03:58:28,600 --> 03:58:30,280
 I think it's needed in that area.

3253
03:58:30,280 --> 03:58:34,200
 I would like to have seen that in this plan.

3254
03:58:34,200 --> 03:58:38,440
 Overall, I think it's well done.

3255
03:58:38,440 --> 03:58:44,680
 One issue I'm having is the way we've posted it and I'm still not sure I have clarification

3256
03:58:44,680 --> 03:58:48,360
 that I'm comfortable with from legal.

3257
03:58:48,360 --> 03:58:52,560
 There was a lot of confusion in work session which made us late to this meeting, making

3258
03:58:52,560 --> 03:58:56,520
 me uncomfortable to move this forward at this time.

3259
03:58:56,520 --> 03:59:02,120
 So I guess I will defer once again to you, Mr. Drake, and see if you can enlighten me

3260
03:59:02,120 --> 03:59:03,120
 a little bit.

3261
03:59:03,120 --> 03:59:04,120
 I'll try my best.

3262
03:59:04,120 --> 03:59:09,520
 Just stepping through the way that it's worded, hold a public hearing, we did do that.

3263
03:59:09,520 --> 03:59:15,360
 There's no particular requirement for notice the way there is with a zoning case, with

3264
03:59:15,360 --> 03:59:21,400
 a code amendment or what have you, notifying people within 200 feet, any of that stuff.

3265
03:59:21,400 --> 03:59:26,240
 But nevertheless, we did post the meeting properly.

3266
03:59:26,240 --> 03:59:32,580
 There was a hearing that was afforded to citizens and we did follow the hearing procedures.

3267
03:59:32,580 --> 03:59:40,480
 We're making a recommendation to the city council regarding an ordinance.

3268
03:59:40,480 --> 03:59:46,700
 The way that it's posted, the PMZ could always do less than what's posted, but can never

3269
03:59:46,700 --> 03:59:48,160
 do more.

3270
03:59:48,160 --> 03:59:54,960
 And so I think that what we talked about was making a recommendation, it could be a recommendation

3271
03:59:54,960 --> 03:59:59,320
 in favor of the plan, it could be a recommendation generally opposed to the plan, it could be

3272
03:59:59,320 --> 04:00:02,200
 no recommendation at all.

3273
04:00:02,200 --> 04:00:07,400
 What you're bound to do is to consider making a recommendation and maybe you will, maybe

3274
04:00:07,400 --> 04:00:08,400
 you won't.

3275
04:00:08,400 --> 04:00:13,780
 And as far as regarding an ordinance, to accept the vision's goals and recommendations, I

3276
04:00:13,780 --> 04:00:18,640
 don't think that an ordinance will ultimately be the appropriate vehicle.

3277
04:00:18,640 --> 04:00:21,800
 I'll just go ahead and share that with you now.

3278
04:00:21,800 --> 04:00:27,040
 I think that it will likely be a resolution of the city council, it won't be an ordinance

3279
04:00:27,040 --> 04:00:32,400
 because there won't be a direct authorization to expend budgeted funds, there won't be

3280
04:00:32,400 --> 04:00:43,800
 a direct punitive law that's imposed upon the citizens, it will essentially be a vote.

3281
04:00:43,800 --> 04:00:50,000
 And a vote stated another way is a resolution, it's just the name of it.

3282
04:00:50,000 --> 04:00:55,000
 Accepting the vision's goals, recommendations, and implementation strategy, maybe they will,

3283
04:00:55,000 --> 04:01:01,840
 maybe they won't, proposed in the Oak Gateway area plan, there are a lot of ideas in there,

3284
04:01:01,840 --> 04:01:07,280
 a lot of the ideas that are proposed are not matters that are ordinarily put forward to

3285
04:01:07,280 --> 04:01:12,360
 P&Z and within the charge of the Planning and Zoning Commission.

3286
04:01:12,360 --> 04:01:19,240
 For example, bike lanes on existing public streets, those are traffic issues and those

3287
04:01:19,240 --> 04:01:26,480
 are matters within the council's legislative prerogative, speed limits, traffic calming,

3288
04:01:26,480 --> 04:01:31,440
 some of the other things that we heard about tonight, parking enforcement, the methodology

3289
04:01:31,440 --> 04:01:36,000
 of parking enforcement, who will enforce traffic laws, who will enforce parking laws, how will

3290
04:01:36,000 --> 04:01:39,300
 fines be collected, how will they be used?

3291
04:01:39,300 --> 04:01:45,120
 Those are all matters that are within the city council's legislative prerogative.

3292
04:01:45,120 --> 04:01:50,040
 Perhaps some of these recommendations, some of these visions, some of these goals will

3293
04:01:50,040 --> 04:01:58,800
 bear upon the city council's future actions or decisions, but perhaps not.

3294
04:01:58,800 --> 04:02:06,560
 It has no binding impact upon them, they're not forced to do this, but I think that there

3295
04:02:06,560 --> 04:02:11,880
 are a number of very, very interesting ideas that have been put forward for consideration

3296
04:02:11,880 --> 04:02:20,000
 that I'm sure the council will love to hear and love to consider as appropriate, but it

3297
04:02:20,000 --> 04:02:26,840
 won't be anything that's going to be, it's not going to force their decision one way

3298
04:02:26,840 --> 04:02:32,520
 or another as far as how P&Z makes a recommendation, if at all.

3299
04:02:32,520 --> 04:02:36,260
 Okay, so let me clarify you where the word I'm stuck on is ordinance.

3300
04:02:36,260 --> 04:02:42,720
 So the motion as given right now by Commissioner Smith is, that's what we're recommending,

3301
04:02:42,720 --> 04:02:44,880
 that they create an ordinance to accept this?

3302
04:02:44,880 --> 04:02:49,520
 Yes, and you could choose to recommend that they create a resolution instead.

3303
04:02:49,520 --> 04:02:55,280
 You could recommend not to create a resolution, you could recommend that they merely consider

3304
04:02:55,280 --> 04:03:00,300
 the ideas for whatever they think is appropriate.

3305
04:03:00,300 --> 04:03:02,640
 Commissioner Pernado.

3306
04:03:02,640 --> 04:03:08,680
 To what Legalist just suggested, I guess to Commissioner Smith, would you be amenable

3307
04:03:08,680 --> 04:03:15,680
 to changing the motion to a recommendation regarding a resolution recommending the vision's

3308
04:03:15,680 --> 04:03:16,680
 goals?

3309
04:03:16,680 --> 04:03:23,920
 As long as it's okay for us to change that, it wasn't posted as a resolution, it was

3310
04:03:23,920 --> 04:03:26,840
 posted as an ordinance, but as long as it's saying that's fine, then I'd be amenable

3311
04:03:26,840 --> 04:03:27,840
 to that amendment.

3312
04:03:27,840 --> 04:03:32,240
 I think it would be fine as far, like I said, the P&Z could always do less than what's

3313
04:03:32,240 --> 04:03:38,440
 posted, and after all, the posting is to consider making a recommendation.

3314
04:03:38,440 --> 04:03:43,720
 That includes the possibility that you would consider not making a recommendation.

3315
04:03:43,720 --> 04:03:49,600
 Yes, I'd be amenable to make an amendment to calling it a resolution rather than an

3316
04:03:49,600 --> 04:03:50,600
 ordinance.

3317
04:03:50,600 --> 04:03:53,600
 So is that a friendly amendment to the motion?

3318
04:03:53,600 --> 04:03:57,480
 That's up to the mover to accept a friendly amendment or not.

3319
04:03:57,480 --> 04:03:59,440
 I accept a friendly amendment.

3320
04:03:59,440 --> 04:04:00,440
 Commissioner Cole.

3321
04:04:00,440 --> 04:04:01,440
 I second that.

3322
04:04:01,440 --> 04:04:08,000
 I have a question for Ron.

3323
04:04:08,000 --> 04:04:13,120
 Given the way that this was posted, what are you wanting to see from City Council?

3324
04:04:13,120 --> 04:04:15,600
 From City Council or from the Commission?

3325
04:04:15,600 --> 04:04:21,880
 From the Council, we would like to see a resolution accepting the recommendations for this area

3326
04:04:21,880 --> 04:04:24,880
 plan.

3327
04:04:24,880 --> 04:04:25,880
 That's for us to move to Council.

3328
04:04:25,880 --> 04:04:30,920
 What do you want to see from Council, a resolution or an ordinance?

3329
04:04:30,920 --> 04:04:31,920
 A resolution.

3330
04:04:31,920 --> 04:04:32,920
 Okay.

3331
04:04:32,920 --> 04:04:33,920
 Yes.

3332
04:04:33,920 --> 04:04:34,920
 Very good.

3333
04:04:34,920 --> 04:04:35,920
 Thank you.

3334
04:04:35,920 --> 04:04:36,920
 Thank you.

3335
04:04:36,920 --> 04:04:37,920
 Okay.

3336
04:04:37,920 --> 04:04:42,760
 Is there any further discussion?

3337
04:04:42,760 --> 04:04:43,760
 Commissioner Cole.

3338
04:04:43,760 --> 04:04:47,960
 I just wanted to thank you guys for all your hard work.

3339
04:04:47,960 --> 04:04:49,920
 This is volunteerism.

3340
04:04:49,920 --> 04:04:54,880
 You're giving your time to the city, and I sure do appreciate it.

3341
04:04:54,880 --> 04:04:57,320
 It's been great getting to know you guys better.

3342
04:04:57,320 --> 04:05:04,520
 Patrice, you're a heck of a leader, and you steered us true and away from the rocks.

3343
04:05:04,520 --> 04:05:10,960
 We kind of got off kilter a couple of times, but thank you.

3344
04:05:10,960 --> 04:05:17,800
 You fostered an environment of open discussion, and everybody felt free to talk and give their

3345
04:05:17,800 --> 04:05:18,800
 ideas.

3346
04:05:18,800 --> 04:05:27,240
 Thank all you guys for participating.

3347
04:05:27,240 --> 04:05:29,160
 Any further discussion?

3348
04:05:29,160 --> 04:05:30,760
 Okay.

3349
04:05:30,760 --> 04:05:41,240
 We will call for a vote on the board.

3350
04:05:41,240 --> 04:05:47,320
 Motion will carry 6-0.

3351
04:05:47,320 --> 04:05:50,200
 That will move us to our matrix.

3352
04:05:50,200 --> 04:05:57,920
 Does anybody have anything for our matrix?

3353
04:05:57,920 --> 04:05:59,240
 Richard, do you have anything?

3354
04:05:59,240 --> 04:06:04,600
 Just wanted to note that the last item provided for the neighborhood meetings and projects,

3355
04:06:04,600 --> 04:06:09,200
 we went ahead and just moved that up tonight once the other items started falling off.

3356
04:06:09,200 --> 04:06:12,200
 So that one will just take off the list.

3357
04:06:12,200 --> 04:06:13,200
 Okay.

3358
04:06:13,200 --> 04:06:14,200
 And then concluding items.

3359
04:06:14,200 --> 04:06:15,200
 Okay.

3360
04:06:15,200 --> 04:06:20,280
 I've just got one to the fellow commissioners.

3361
04:06:20,280 --> 04:06:26,760
 If you have any input with regard to the tree and landscape discussion today, if you could

3362
04:06:26,760 --> 04:06:33,080
 provide that to Richard, you can send comments to him via email or to Haley so we can keep

3363
04:06:33,080 --> 04:06:34,080
 that moving along.

3364
04:06:34,080 --> 04:06:37,320
 I know we postponed it to a date uncertain today, but hopefully that will come back and

3365
04:06:37,320 --> 04:06:38,480
 we can get that rolling.

3366
04:06:38,480 --> 04:06:44,160
 So you've got the draft in several of these agendas.

3367
04:06:44,160 --> 04:06:50,400
 So I would recommend going through it and then making your comments to him if you have

3368
04:06:50,400 --> 04:06:54,880
 any so we can keep it rolling.

3369
04:06:54,880 --> 04:06:56,320
 Okay.

3370
04:06:56,320 --> 04:07:00,960
 With that, I'll just say since Ron is coming up to the podium.

3371
04:07:00,960 --> 04:07:06,840
 I just want to advise or update the commission on the special called meeting.

3372
04:07:06,840 --> 04:07:11,680
 I think there was some question on the special called meeting regarding the DDC update.

3373
04:07:11,680 --> 04:07:17,240
 It was supposed to be scheduled, obviously, next week, but that is not the case.

3374
04:07:17,240 --> 04:07:24,640
 It's actually going to be more in February, February the 13th is what we're looking at.

3375
04:07:24,640 --> 04:07:28,760
 I know it's sometimes away, but I just want to make sure that the commission knew that

3376
04:07:28,760 --> 04:07:33,880
 the special called meeting is not scheduled for next week and that it will be in February

3377
04:07:33,880 --> 04:07:35,880
 of next year.

3378
04:07:35,880 --> 04:07:36,880
 Wonderful.

3379
04:07:36,880 --> 04:07:37,880
 Okay.

3380
04:07:37,880 --> 04:07:41,640
 And since it's our last meeting of the year, happy holidays to you all.

3381
04:07:41,640 --> 04:07:47,680
 And thank you all for your hard work and hope everyone enjoys time with family and friends

3382
04:07:47,680 --> 04:07:53,960
 and thanks for the time given to help the city move forward in a better direction.

3383
04:07:53,960 --> 04:07:58,000
 So thanks to those watching and online.

3384
04:07:58,000 --> 04:07:59,000
 Happy holidays.

3385
04:07:59,000 --> 04:08:00,000
 We'll see you next year.

3386
04:08:00,000 --> 04:08:02,240
 I will close our meeting at 9, 10 p.m.