1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,160 Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton Traffic Safety Commission meeting of Monday, 2 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,600 November 5th, 2018. 3 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:24,360 We have a quorum and the first items on our agenda will be number one, items for consideration. 4 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:33,260 Item A, TSC 18-043 is to consider the approval of the Traffic Safety Commission meetings 5 00:00:33,260 --> 00:00:37,380 of October 1st, 2018. 6 00:00:37,380 --> 00:00:42,680 Did everybody have a chance to take a look at those minutes? 7 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,920 Were there any corrections or did someone make a motion for approval? 8 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:48,920 Motion for approval. 9 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:49,920 Okay. 10 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:50,920 We've got a motion for approval. 11 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:51,920 Do I have a second? 12 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:52,920 Second. 13 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:53,920 Everyone in favor say aye. 14 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:54,920 Aye. 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:55,920 Anyone opposed? 16 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:56,920 Okay. 17 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:01,920 The minutes will be accepted as submitted. 18 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:11,880 Item 1B, TSC 18-026 is to receive a report and hold a discussion regarding narrow streets 19 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:20,000 defined as less than 32 feet wide with on-street parking and emergency access in the Villages 20 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:24,440 of Carmel Subdivision. 21 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:25,440 Good evening Commissioners. 22 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:26,640 My name is Brad Layhart. 23 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:32,600 I'm the Fire Marshal, Assistant Fire Chief for Denton Fire Department. 24 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:38,200 Today we're going to discuss with you a couple of minutes about narrow roads discussions 25 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,440 and where we're at on the process. 26 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:47,560 Over the past few years we've had several projects that have been improved with roads 27 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:53,960 that are narrower than 28 feet, which is generally clear and free, about 26 feet, free and clear 28 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:58,720 once you throw the curbs in there, depending on what type of curbs that they have. 29 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:05,480 The advantages of doing this, it's reduced speed and also reduction in number of accidents. 30 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:10,760 The disadvantages is city vehicles and especially also city fire apparatus have a difficult 31 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:16,240 time navigating these streets because they're too narrow, especially when you allow parking 32 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:22,800 on both sides and it also increases emergency response times. 33 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,200 What are possible solutions? 34 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:30,200 The main solution that we've come up with with the traffic engineer for the city and 35 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:35,480 the city engineer is to widen the minimum widths of the streets going forward. 36 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:40,320 There are several projects though that are in various stages that were approved prior 37 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:48,440 to this so they have various stages and levels of grandfathering that have taken effect. 38 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,720 We can also restrict parking on one side of the street. 39 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:57,280 Certain developments we could do this, certain developments we might not be able to do this 40 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:03,480 and also it would have to be go through city council approval to limit parking on one side 41 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:09,340 of the street or no parking at all in developments. 42 00:03:09,340 --> 00:03:12,640 What we have been doing since originally we were going to come to you guys in May but 43 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:18,720 that meeting got canceled so what we've been doing in the interim time, we've been using 44 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:25,080 different ordinances which we started enforcing especially in the villages of Carmel too about 45 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:33,280 not parking within 20 feet of intersections, stop signs, right aways, etc. which has helped 46 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:40,720 a lot in that development, also 30 feet and our approach to flashing signal stop sign 47 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:45,300 or yield sign. 48 00:03:45,300 --> 00:03:49,080 This is a picture of the narrow streets that have been approved in the past. 49 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:53,740 You can see there's maybe an inch or two clearance on that side and a couple inches 50 00:03:53,740 --> 00:03:57,400 clearance on that side and this is just a standard size engine. 51 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:02,200 This is even one of our lighter trucks so this is the village of Carmel too. 52 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,360 I think all the streets are about this narrow, or actually several of them are this narrow. 53 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:15,600 Some of the other primary streets aren't as narrow as this but if you have any questions. 54 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,920 Like I said we've addressed this issue with Pre-Tam already and going forward we have 55 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:20,920 a solution. 56 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:21,920 Yes sir? 57 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:26,440 Where are we with the debt and development code on this? 58 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:32,560 They have to follow them through traffic and traffic in road manual which has the increased 59 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,680 size of the roads already built into it. 60 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:43,840 So the development code refers back to our transportation criteria manual which identifies 61 00:04:43,840 --> 00:04:51,040 and defines the width of the street so the sections within the manual itself have been 62 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:57,040 widened to 32 feet. 63 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:58,040 So will that include parking on both sides? 64 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:59,040 Correct. 65 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:00,200 So we're going to get 26? 66 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,000 We're going to get a clear 20 feet if we go with the fire code. 67 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,680 We have six feet parking on either side. 68 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,680 Six feet either side available for parking and a clear 20 foot lane in the middle. 69 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:12,680 Is that enough? 70 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:20,400 Yeah, that's about six more feet, five to six more feet than we currently have. 71 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:25,120 We had to come up with a middle point where everyone's happy. 72 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,840 We don't want to make the roads too wide especially in neighborhoods that people are just starting 73 00:05:28,840 --> 00:05:35,000 to do 40, 50 miles an hour down a residential street so they have to be wide enough for 74 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:41,880 fire apparatus and then also other city apparatus like all the yard waste and trash vehicles. 75 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:42,880 Solid waste. 76 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:43,880 Solid waste vehicles. 77 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:50,900 So this is a width that is no longer approved in the updated development code? 78 00:05:50,900 --> 00:05:51,900 Correct. 79 00:05:51,900 --> 00:05:52,900 Okay. 80 00:05:52,900 --> 00:05:53,900 And what is the setback? 81 00:05:53,900 --> 00:06:00,600 So one of the thoughts about widening the road, it doesn't look like there is a front 82 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:05,360 yard setback that is like the one in my neighborhood. 83 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:10,240 Yeah, this subdivision had some different setbacks. 84 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:17,080 The way it was multifamily, it's a single building that's connected all the way and 85 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:22,680 even though they're different units and they're sold separately, it's just the way it was 86 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:23,680 set up. 87 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:24,680 It's different. 88 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:30,840 It's a condo/townhome/different mix. 89 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:34,560 We've had a few other developments through grandfather and they've been approved already 90 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:39,160 for the narrow roads but Todd and Preetam have worked with those developers already 91 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:44,720 and a lot of the developments now that are just starting that are getting the narrow 92 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:49,720 roads are only going to be allowed to park on one side of the street so that's a huge 93 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:50,720 win. 94 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:57,080 And have the neighbors in this area been approached about going to one side of the road park, 95 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:01,920 one side of the street parking only or what do you want to do with this? 96 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:03,360 Yeah, that's a tough one. 97 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:08,520 I think we started with, as Brad mentioned, we started with focusing our attention on 98 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:14,080 the intersections which is where it becomes really more difficult for a truck to navigate. 99 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:19,600 In between mid-block, there's okay spacing so that the truck can zip by but turning around 100 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:25,080 is where they're having a tough time so we started enforcing some of that setbacks that 101 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:29,760 we require from intersections, 20 feet clear and 30 feet clear. 102 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:34,760 And that has helped a lot in this area. 103 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:40,480 Due to the density of this area, they don't really have a lot of other options to park. 104 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:41,480 Right. 105 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:42,480 Right. 106 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:43,480 Are there alleys? 107 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,680 They have alleys but they're real narrow alleys too. 108 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,280 I think they're 10 or 12. 109 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,440 Yes, they're really narrow. 110 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,480 And then off-street parking of nowhere? 111 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,080 Well, garages. 112 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:03,880 Garage driveways from the alley so they have driveways and then garages, yeah. 113 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:09,440 And this is at least a newer part that was approved recently but there are older neighborhoods 114 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:15,440 around UNT that have similar situation where the road was not designed for that kind of 115 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:16,960 parking on street. 116 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:17,960 Right. 117 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:19,400 And it's very narrow. 118 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:27,200 Part of it needs to be no parking and I think as part of the old gateway plan, we're coming 119 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:28,200 up with solutions. 120 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:32,520 What are the interim solutions and long-term solutions as far as when streets are less 121 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:41,120 than 32 feet wide, at a minimum, we should go with one-sided parking restriction and 122 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:46,400 if it's less than 26 feet or 20 feet, go with both-side restriction. 123 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:51,800 So we are recommending, I mean, once the plan goes through, we will recommend something 124 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:58,840 like that just because of the emergency response and the way the fire trucks move through this 125 00:08:58,840 --> 00:08:59,840 area. 126 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:05,760 There were a couple other locations within the UNT area, McCormick, and we worked one 127 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:12,560 location at a time where it had been an issue and we've gone through and considered it as 128 00:09:12,560 --> 00:09:17,760 a special case to move forward. 129 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:27,200 I'm curious, how do cities where they can't make the streets wider, how do they deal with 130 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,200 this problem? 131 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,200 Do they have smaller fire trucks or is there smaller equipment ever? 132 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:41,580 Some cities like San Francisco, for instance, I know have smaller apparatus, they're narrower, 133 00:09:41,580 --> 00:09:46,760 but they're in pretty unique situations too. 134 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:55,720 Our main concern is new construction and we've worked out a long-term plan for existing areas. 135 00:09:55,720 --> 00:10:00,560 Right now there's no incentive for the universities to build any additional parking, so they're 136 00:10:00,560 --> 00:10:08,640 using parking, off-campus parking, and using and congesting the roads that way now. 137 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,360 It's becoming worse and worse. 138 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:15,600 You should see fire station number three before, we used to have no one parking there, and 139 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:22,840 now there's probably 50 cars surrounding that station every single day from UNT students. 140 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:28,560 I'm sure there's been studies done on narrow streets and where the border is on this, because 141 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:34,280 obviously narrow streets with cars on it are safer and if safety is our big issue, but 142 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:38,280 this is the best middle of the two. 143 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,760 This is like walking a thin line and we're right in the middle where we don't want the 144 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:46,520 streets to be super wide, where people are racing up and down like Old North and Nottingham 145 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,600 on the north side. 146 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:54,760 We don't want this situation to happen either, so we're really running on the line. 147 00:10:54,760 --> 00:11:00,240 To that end, what we did also is we've approved rolled curbs for future, so if a developer 148 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,680 comes in and they're like, "Okay, I don't want to widen it to a point where it's 32 149 00:11:04,680 --> 00:11:07,880 or 33 feet wide," then what's the option? 150 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:13,400 You can do it 31 where if you have a rolled curb, part of the parking or the car is much 151 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:19,200 closer to the curb than it is on a six inch curb, so that still provides us the 20 feet 152 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,200 that we need. 153 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,000 Yeah. 154 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:29,480 A lot of the national codes don't even take into effect Texas-sized vehicles either, I 155 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:30,480 don't know about that. 156 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:31,480 That's old. 157 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:32,480 Okay. 158 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:40,600 Unless you have any more questions, that's all we have for you today on this subject. 159 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,600 Anything, anything. 160 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:44,600 Okay. 161 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,840 Well, thank you. 162 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:56,880 We will then move on to Item 1C, TSC 18-044, which is to receive a report and hold discussion 163 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:04,640 regarding the Idaho stop or rolling stop law for bicyclists and if possible implementation 164 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,360 in the city of Denton. 165 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,160 Mark. 166 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:16,600 Good evening and thank you. 167 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:27,600 Good evening, my name is Mark Oliphant, I am the Bicycle and Pedestrian Coordinator 168 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:28,600 from the city. 169 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:34,860 It's my pleasure to address you tonight and discuss the Idaho stop or rolling stop. 170 00:12:34,860 --> 00:12:44,560 This is a law that originated in Idaho in 1982 and the long and short of it is that 171 00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:50,160 cyclists in Idaho may treat a stop sign as a yield sign. 172 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:56,500 So they can approach an intersection, slow down, check that it's safe for them to proceed, 173 00:12:56,500 --> 00:13:01,560 but cyclists are not required to stop or put a foot on the ground or come to a complete 174 00:13:01,560 --> 00:13:05,240 stop at stop signs. 175 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:13,960 Delaware has implemented a similar law just last year and in Colorado, the state legislature 176 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:19,640 just this year allowed individual cities to make the decision as to whether or not they 177 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,840 wanted to implement that type of law. 178 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:32,800 Here's just a quick graphic of what a cyclist is encountering as they come to an intersection 179 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:40,200 with a stop sign, looking both ways, the cyclists and if you think about it, within the dimensions 180 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:46,400 of a typical automobile, that cyclist can often slow down to the point where he or she 181 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:52,600 can check to make sure that there are no competing vehicles at the intersection that may make 182 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,880 it dangerous and then proceed. 183 00:13:54,880 --> 00:14:04,480 If it's all right, I would like to show about 90 seconds, two minutes of a little video 184 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,560 that demonstrates this really well. 185 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:15,040 About three or four years ago in Oregon, they were considering a similar law statewide and 186 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:23,700 this video was put together by an advocate for the Idaho stop or rolling stop. 187 00:14:23,700 --> 00:14:48,320 Let's see, hold on, I'm going to do the volume. 188 00:14:48,320 --> 00:15:01,200 Thank you. 189 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:22,120 Let's try it now. 190 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:34,800 A bicycle is probably the most efficient form of transportation ever devised. 191 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:41,800 The average bicycle rider generates only around 100 watts of propulsion power, about as much 192 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:42,800 as it takes to power a light motor. 193 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:43,800 Compare this to the output of a typical car engine, which generates something like 1,000 194 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:44,800 light volts worth of power. 195 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:45,800 An inner bicycle can be a practical alternative to an automobile. 196 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:53,240 A bicycle's efficiency is almost entirely dependent on its momentum. 197 00:15:53,240 --> 00:16:02,280 A moving bicycle is operating at peak efficiency, even as it slows it remains efficient. 198 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:08,440 It's coming to a dead stop that really saps a rider's available energy, so white riders 199 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:16,720 do the best to preserve their momentum, to make the most efficient use of their 100 watts 200 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:17,720 of power. 201 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:22,720 Even though they want to keep moving, most white riders approach stop signs with extreme 202 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:23,720 care. 203 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:30,560 If only because they know they usually have the most to lose in collision. 204 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,720 Most cyclists approach stop signs with the caution they were taught in driver's debt. 205 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:41,200 They slow down, they look left, they look right, they look left again. 206 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:45,200 They make sure the way is clear, and that they have the right of way before they proceed. 207 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:52,000 Yet many, if not most, do all this while preserving some small amount of forward motion. 208 00:16:52,000 --> 00:17:01,380 This approach to stop signs is known as a rolling stop. 209 00:17:01,380 --> 00:17:06,120 The proposed Idaho stop sign law would seem to allow white riders to treat stop signs 210 00:17:06,120 --> 00:17:07,120 as yield signs. 211 00:17:07,120 --> 00:17:13,160 It would, in effect, allow for rolling stops, making this common sense approach legal, and 212 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:18,440 in doing so, encourage safe, sensible, and efficient bicycle transportation. 213 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,040 There's no question as to the safety of the proposed law, because it's based on a law 214 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:27,440 that's been in effect for the last 27 years in Idaho, and Idaho's bike safety record 215 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:28,440 is excessive. 216 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:33,200 Despite being a more rural state than Oregon, Idaho makes for a fair comparison, because 217 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,700 if Boise were a city in Oregon, it would... 218 00:17:36,700 --> 00:17:42,040 It goes on to discuss the merits specific to Oregon. 219 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:50,300 But I think you can see from there the argument that is made for the Idaho stop in preserving 220 00:17:50,300 --> 00:17:55,680 that forward momentum, because the engine powering a bicycle is much less powerful than 221 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,880 that of an automobile. 222 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:12,200 But talking about options, we are a small body, we are a small town and a big state. 223 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:20,780 Unfortunately, any movement toward legalizing the Idaho stop or the rolling stop would require 224 00:18:20,780 --> 00:18:26,680 something to happen at the state level, would require Austin to either make that the law 225 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:36,200 statewide or pass some sort of legislation that allows individual municipalities to have 226 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,580 an Idaho stop or a rolling stop. 227 00:18:38,580 --> 00:18:45,740 That has not happened, and the leading bicycle advocacy organization in the state is not 228 00:18:45,740 --> 00:18:50,420 currently pushing that as a major item on their agenda. 229 00:18:50,420 --> 00:18:58,840 So as a cyclist, I see some benefits here, but we are limited in what we might do. 230 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,360 But I'm happy to take questions. 231 00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:05,040 Which organization is that that's not pushing for it? 232 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:06,040 That's... 233 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:07,040 What is it? 234 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:08,040 Bike Texas? 235 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:09,040 Yes, Bike Texas. 236 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:10,040 Bike Texas, yeah. 237 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:15,440 Do they have a legislative agenda at all? 238 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:23,120 They do advocacy for certain items, and they post some of those things on their website, 239 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:25,040 but it's not to be found. 240 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:30,160 What do you think the odds are? 241 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:37,200 Well, it's interesting that this was in Idaho in, what was it, '82, and it was 30 years 242 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,040 later, 35 years later than the next state. 243 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:45,360 So maybe the tipping point was Delaware. 244 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:46,720 I don't know. 245 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:53,240 And Texas is, I would say, a more automobile-oriented state, although Idaho has a lot of industry 246 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,600 and it's hard to say. 247 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:03,760 The thing I always point out is it's a very automobile-friendly policy because automobiles 248 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,960 don't want to be behind slow bikers, and this gets you through the intersections at a much 249 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,880 better, more reasonable speed, and so I think automobiles like it better, too. 250 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:16,040 We can't do it. 251 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:22,200 Thank you for doing the research because I've asked about this over the years, and this 252 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:29,120 is the first time somebody has done the research and said, "This is where we sit," so I appreciate 253 00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:31,320 that you did the research for us. 254 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:38,960 I'm sad, though, that the research points to this, but thank you. 255 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,280 I guess I have one question. 256 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:43,280 Uh-huh. 257 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:48,560 Is there an agenda that you would like us to prompt? 258 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:54,360 This is dialogue in Austin, or is this FYI? 259 00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:55,680 This is FYI. 260 00:20:55,680 --> 00:21:02,400 The question arose, I believe, in September at this meeting. 261 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,640 I've been here three months. 262 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:12,920 But probably there's some other things that we could talk about as far as being more bicycle 263 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:13,920 and pedestrian-friendly. 264 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:18,840 They're probably near-term, lower-hanging fruit to focus on rather than this at this 265 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:19,840 time. 266 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:20,840 Yeah. 267 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:21,840 I think so. 268 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,840 I just wanted one of those yellow arrows to come out of my head. 269 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:25,840 All right. 270 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:36,960 That's true. 271 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,680 I have a question, please. 272 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:47,040 Are we aware of any significant data that shows that there's a lot of citations of bicyclers 273 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:54,680 actually receiving if they're utilizing the rolling stop and getting ticketed for it? 274 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,160 I'm not aware of that data, not here in Texas. 275 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:04,440 I can say from my experience coming from Washington, D.C., there were occasional pushes by law 276 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:09,280 enforcement to make sure that cyclists were doing this. 277 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:15,200 But I've also seen some recent data that says that actually cyclists are more mindful of 278 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:20,000 stop signs and coming to a complete stop, I think because of how much skin they have 279 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:27,520 in the game, if you will, that if struck by a motor vehicle, they'd never win. 280 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,800 And the consequences are often very tragic. 281 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:31,800 Thanks. 282 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:32,800 All right. 283 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:33,800 Any other questions, comments? 284 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:34,800 All right. 285 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:35,800 Well, thank you very much for doing that. 286 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:36,800 I should address the question about bicycle citations. 287 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:37,800 Oh, great. 288 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:38,800 Thank you. 289 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:58,440 I have been the prosecutor here for almost 25 years. 290 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:03,200 I don't know the number of citations, but they're very small. 291 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:08,800 UNT writes more of them than Denton because of the problem with keeping their pedestrians 292 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:15,360 safe to their bicyclists, but even UNT doesn't write very many. 293 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:20,600 Often if I get a bicycle citation, they've, you know, run into an intersection against 294 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:26,160 a red light or stop sign and been struck by a car and they were determined at fault. 295 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,360 And the officers are very quick to write the car if the car is at fault. 296 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:36,840 I had a vulnerable road user citation to a driver who struck a bicyclist. 297 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,720 Thank goodness the bicyclist wasn't hurt very badly. 298 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,200 But it's a very, very small number. 299 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:48,280 Officers are not out there looking for bicyclists that don't stop all the way at the stop signs. 300 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:53,240 But again, they're more common at UNT and I think it's because of their heavy pedestrian 301 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,520 and bicyclists and skateboarders, they have a lot of skateboarders too, but it's a very 302 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:58,520 small number. 303 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,640 Have you ever had a DUI on a bicycle? 304 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:03,640 I have. 305 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:04,640 No, sir. 306 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:05,640 Personally? 307 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:06,640 No. 308 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:07,640 No, no, sir. 309 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:13,320 I'm sure there's been, I'm sure there's been some public in talks is what they would 310 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:18,080 charge him with, but I can't even think of any of those. 311 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:23,040 I knew somebody in another state that got arrested for that. 312 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,040 It depends on how it's defined, right? 313 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,040 I agree with Mark, though. 314 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:35,280 We can't do it right now because of state laws, so the legislatures would have to prompt 315 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:36,280 that. 316 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:37,280 Yes, sir. 317 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:38,280 Who are you? 318 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:39,280 I'm sorry. 319 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:40,280 I'm Stephanie Berry. 320 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:41,280 I'm an assistant city attorney. 321 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:42,280 I'm standing in for Trey. 322 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,160 I work at the police department, but I'm the prosecutor. 323 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:45,160 So when Patrice? 324 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:46,160 Patrice, yes. 325 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,160 Asked a question about citations, I think. 326 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,160 Or somebody did. 327 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,160 One of you all asked how many citations we had. 328 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,160 Oh, I'm sorry. 329 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,160 That's okay. 330 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,160 I thought I could address that. 331 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:58,400 It's a very small number. 332 00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,400 Thank you. 333 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:00,400 Take care. 334 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:01,400 Thanks. 335 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:02,400 Okay. 336 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:03,400 Okay. 337 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:14,040 I always just think, you know, one of the things, this is like a moment of the pet peeve 338 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:21,880 thing for me, that when there's a discussion about bicycle, pedestrian safety, and somebody 339 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:27,920 doesn't like the idea of bike and, you know, making any kind of accommodations for bicyclists 340 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:34,280 and pedestrians, this little sentence comes like zooming out of their mouths of, "Bikes 341 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:44,080 don't follow the rules," as though that completely nullifies all discussion of bike safety, pedestrian 342 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:48,080 safety, infrastructure, bike lanes. 343 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:53,000 And so, you know, if I just feel, I mean, we're not going to get a rolling stop probably 344 00:25:53,000 --> 00:26:01,520 in my lifetime in Texas, but if there's one less rule that has to be followed when it's 345 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:07,960 not necessary, then that's one less time for people to shake their fingers at cyclists 346 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,800 and say, "They don't follow the rules." 347 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:17,000 Well, give me one less rule that I don't have to follow when it's ridiculous that I follow 348 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,680 it, and I'll be OK. 349 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:20,680 That's my soapbox. 350 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:21,680 Getting down. 351 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:22,680 OK. 352 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:23,680 Anything else for Mark? 353 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:24,680 All right. 354 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:25,680 Thanks. 355 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:36,720 That moves us on to item 1D, TSC 18-045, which is to receive a report, whole discussion 356 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:43,320 regarding citywide sidewalk infrastructure and the ongoing efforts for improving connectivity. 357 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:49,320 Since you guys like Mark, he's going to continue talking. 358 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:50,320 We do like Mark. 359 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,280 I'm just going to stay right here. 360 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:53,280 All right. 361 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:58,320 Well, thank you again for your time, so now moving on to discuss sidewalks. 362 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:03,480 Sidewalks is an interesting topic because the city has developed, obviously, over many 363 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:09,120 decades, and at various times, sidewalks have received more value than at other times. 364 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:14,920 Unfortunately, a lot of the city developed, I would say, from the '60s through the '80s 365 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:20,360 when sidewalks were not given a high priority, and so they're just missing in large areas 366 00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:21,360 of the city. 367 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:29,120 Now, also, in 1990, the Americans with Disability Act was passed, which mandated certain sidewalk 368 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:36,640 infrastructure, and it had to abide by a certain nationwide code. 369 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,400 Also, in some places in the city where we do have existing sidewalk infrastructure, 370 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:46,600 it does not meet current Americans with Disabilities Act requirements. 371 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:52,800 The city has been working to update the infrastructure, but just everyone needs to keep in mind it's 372 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,320 a very large effort. 373 00:27:55,320 --> 00:28:01,600 The amount of roadway that we have without sidewalks is significant in the city. 374 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:08,600 There was a bond in 2014 that was passed that included money to build sidewalk infrastructure. 375 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:14,560 The last of that money was just obligated in the last fiscal year, so there are two 376 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:23,280 big design packages going on right now for sidewalks in the city, but one interesting 377 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:29,600 aspect of sidewalks, though, is that there is not a dedicated annual fund or annual program 378 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,840 to make sure that this happens, so now that those funds from the bond have been exhausted, 379 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:41,600 we don't have a plan on the horizon to continue the improvements. 380 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:46,480 In your packets, we included information about sidewalk segments. 381 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:52,200 It was quite large, but if there are any specific questions or anything like that, we will tell 382 00:28:52,200 --> 00:29:01,280 you city transportation staff go through a process to vet sidewalk segments and prioritize 383 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:06,560 them as to which should be completed sooner rather than later. 384 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,520 We keep continuing lists of suggested segments. 385 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:15,920 We get communication from residents or from members of the city council, or if we notice 386 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,960 a particular area where it could benefit, and then as money becomes available, we go 387 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:30,320 through a process to rank and prioritize which segments might get funded. 388 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:36,780 Qualities that cause them to score high are things like proximity to schools, so for making 389 00:29:36,780 --> 00:29:41,400 it safe for children to get to school. 390 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:53,720 This is an example of some segments, proximity to schools, other areas where we have high 391 00:29:53,720 --> 00:30:00,420 pedestrian traffic already, so for example, in the downtown area, this is a very walkable 392 00:30:00,420 --> 00:30:09,720 area, and areas connecting to the universities, things like that. 393 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:14,920 Some other aspects are if we have a network of sidewalks, but we are missing a small segment 394 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:20,920 or something like that, where we could add some infrastructure and it would connect and 395 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,680 give us a much larger network. 396 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:30,280 One other factor for consideration is whether or not we own either right-of-way or easements 397 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:35,920 or something like that, because if we have to obtain the right-of-way, that can add time 398 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,800 and cost to some of the projects. 399 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,480 These are things we look at, all these segments are current projects that we are looking at 400 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,520 to bring sidewalks up to ADA compliance. 401 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:54,800 One other thing I will mention is that projects that touch sidewalks, for example, the repaving 402 00:30:54,800 --> 00:31:00,300 of Hickory Street, that touches the sidewalks on both sides, so by law we are required to 403 00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:07,640 bring that touching sidewalk infrastructure up to ADA compliance, which is a good thing. 404 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:12,280 One thing I will also say is that since Americans with Disabilities Act was passed, the City 405 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:19,880 has been requiring new development and redevelopment to have pedestrian infrastructure that meets 406 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,520 Americans with Disabilities Act standards. 407 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:27,920 Going forward, new development and redevelopment does do that. 408 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:35,680 It's something important for everyone and also especially for those who might use mobility 409 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:41,840 devices or something like that, because if it's not ADA compatible, sometimes it is just 410 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:47,080 not passable. 411 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,840 I think those are all the major points. 412 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:49,840 Are there any questions? 413 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:50,840 Go ahead. 414 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:59,120 I was going to ask, when you redo these sidewalks, I think we've talked about this before, how 415 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,600 often are there trees or other things added, specifically on some of these streets like 416 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,800 McKinney when you have cars moving pretty quick, and so like trees could provide a pedestrian 417 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,680 barrier potentially? 418 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,760 Is that part of it, or is there just in most cases not room for it? 419 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,680 Yeah, it's on a case by case basis. 420 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:22,980 A lot of these streets are already up to their right-of-way, so when the sidewalk is typically 421 00:32:22,980 --> 00:32:30,480 put in, it's the edge of the sidewalk is technically the right-of-way in all of these older areas 422 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:36,960 where the streets are what they used to be, for example, Bell, going through the whole 423 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,560 downtown area. 424 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:45,160 We've widened as much as we could almost to the face of the buildings, so there are places 425 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:50,120 that we don't have, but when we go back and redesign, for example, McKinney will be redesigned, 426 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:57,400 then we will add the parkway area, we'll get as much as we can within the right-of-way 427 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:04,040 to put in landscaping as well as have the infrastructure for bikes and pedestrians built. 428 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,480 And I guess just one key is like putting the trees between the cars and the pedestrians, 429 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:14,320 because right there on I think it's Boulevard, when we had the new parking lot that was built, 430 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,800 for some reason the little trees on the sidewalk were put just kind of right in the middle 431 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,280 of the sidewalk, and so you walk back out to the street now on those, and I don't know 432 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,640 why the trees weren't just pushed to the other side to provide the barrier for pedestrians. 433 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,440 I don't know, that may have just been a single case where that happened. 434 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,800 I think it was case by case, it's a single area. 435 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:38,720 It is the city's preference, though, to have that grass strip between the curb and the sidewalk 436 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,920 when space does allow pedestrians to feel more comfortable, and you also have space 437 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,080 to plant a tree. 438 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:50,720 So I do have questions about right-of-way, but I noticed that one of the segments that 439 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:56,640 you're planning to put in is on Parkway, across from like the library and the parking lot. 440 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:04,080 So that side, that north side, is that some -- that city owns enough of that in order 441 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,880 to put in a sidewalk, or is -- 442 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:12,160 >> So part of the design process is identify how much right-of-way we have. 443 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,160 And so once we get the surveying in, we'll find out how much we have and what kind of 444 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,600 sidewalk we can implement there. 445 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:23,320 But we're also looking at that segment of Parkway to go on a road diet, most likely, 446 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:24,320 so -- 447 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:25,320 >> Oh, okay. 448 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,400 >> Because there's very little traffic that goes across between -- all the way from Carroll 449 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:34,000 to where it ends or bends around at the library. 450 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,480 It's a very low-traffic area. 451 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:43,560 We're also looking at if the signals are warranted at Almond Locust, they will be pulled out if 452 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:44,560 they're not warranted. 453 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,240 We're looking at studying that particular corridor. 454 00:34:47,240 --> 00:34:49,360 >> Mm-hmm, okay. 455 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:56,960 And that can be a dangerous -- to cross onto Congress from the Emily Fowler parking lot 456 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,480 because of that turn. 457 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:04,980 >> So once it goes to road diet, it'll have that middle area for cars to pull into or 458 00:35:04,980 --> 00:35:09,880 pull from so that that way they don't have to make the hole across four lanes. 459 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:10,880 >> Yeah. 460 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,080 >> They will have a middle lane for refuge. 461 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,640 >> Mm-hmm, okay. 462 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:20,080 >> And I noticed, so when we're looking, for instance, at that section of Walnut, if we're 463 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:25,960 going to do sidewalks, then are we -- I'm really not up to speed on my Muse Street projects. 464 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,760 And are we then going to be minimizing or eliminating parking, for instance, on the 465 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:31,760 Muse -- 466 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:32,760 >> That's the -- 467 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:33,760 >> -- streets? 468 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:39,360 >> Isn't that what we got the report on, the one that just came out with the three different 469 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:40,360 options? 470 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:41,360 >> Yes. 471 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:42,360 >> Okay. 472 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,560 >> I think this might be not in the list, actually. 473 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:45,560 >> Okay. 474 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:46,560 >> But what we did is we -- 475 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:47,560 >> Oh, this one moved to Muse? 476 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:48,560 >> Yeah. 477 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:49,560 I think it was pulled out for Muse. 478 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:50,560 >> Okay. 479 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,680 >> So all the Muse streets are out of the actual package. 480 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:53,680 This might be in there. 481 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:54,680 >> Right. 482 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:55,680 Oh, okay. 483 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:56,680 Okay. 484 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,600 >> But I do want to point out a couple of things. 485 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:04,680 So we had $2 million for bond funding for the total sidewalk program. 486 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:12,620 We sent out two packages, total of 45 segments for sidewalk, which had almost five linear 487 00:36:12,620 --> 00:36:15,000 miles of sidewalk in there. 488 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:21,020 So we're designing all of it, but we won't be able to fund all of it through the $2 million 489 00:36:21,020 --> 00:36:22,020 that we have. 490 00:36:22,020 --> 00:36:26,560 So we might be able to only fund half of those, which is the first package. 491 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:31,280 And once that money is exhausted, as Mark pointed out, we'll have to go and ask for 492 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:37,560 more money, which is at some point we're going to come back to the committee and, you know, 493 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:38,560 make recommendations. 494 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,800 We're already done designed, so we need money. 495 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,400 Where do we find the money? 496 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,980 >> What's the -- is the Muse project going before City Council, is that? 497 00:36:47,980 --> 00:36:50,880 >> I think they're starting in the conceptual phase. 498 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:56,460 So it will go to City Council early next year with a concept plan. 499 00:36:56,460 --> 00:36:59,920 And from that point forward, they'll go into design and then construction. 500 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:02,560 So it's not going to happen any time soon. 501 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:07,160 >> But they haven't approved the comprehensive improvements that we -- right, the three options 502 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:08,160 we got sent, they haven't. 503 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,200 >> No, they haven't approved that. 504 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,480 So it has to go through an engineering study. 505 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:18,280 Because those streets are being converted into one-ways or being proposed as one-ways, 506 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:23,480 they have to go look at traffic, look at parking, engineering studies. 507 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,920 And then once they come back, they're going to present three feasible options or two feasible 508 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:32,840 options and go from there. 509 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,200 >> Okay. 510 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,320 Any questions? 511 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:42,880 >> I like to see sidewalks, so keep bringing them back. 512 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:53,040 >> What -- what could we do to create a continuing improvement fund that's continuing? 513 00:37:53,040 --> 00:38:00,200 >> We'll come back with that item, but I need to ask that question and see what's the process 514 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:05,360 rule can be put in place as far as the continuous approval. 515 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,600 Because I think we have continuous approval on bike funding. 516 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,440 We have, I think, a marked amount of $50,000 a year. 517 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:17,080 We can establish something similar, but I need to ask that question. 518 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,080 >> How much sidewalk could -- 519 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,880 >> City management, just the process, how do we present it? 520 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,640 How do we take it to council? 521 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:30,400 Do we come through the traffic safety, mobility, the process itself? 522 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,960 >> You said $50,000 a year for a bike? 523 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:34,960 >> Correct. 524 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,720 >> That goes a lot further for the bike if you're just talking about striping or something 525 00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:39,720 because it's on. 526 00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:40,720 It's not -- 527 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:47,920 >> So how much -- just for a frame of reference, how much would $50,000 buy you in sidewalk? 528 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:48,920 >> Very little. 529 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:49,920 I think it's -- 530 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:55,560 >> I did -- Commissioner Thurmond and I were speaking the other day, and I pulled some 531 00:38:55,560 --> 00:39:01,880 sample numbers that we got from a consultant, so please everyone put a lot of asterisks 532 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:09,000 on this number, but we did talk about it, and so I wanted to bring it up, let's see. 533 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,000 Okay. 534 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,520 This was a sample estimate, which was -- we typically have five-foot wide sidewalks, the 535 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:21,560 concrete and so forth, $6 a square foot, so we're talking $30 for each linear foot, you 536 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:27,600 know, so if a frontage of 20 feet or whatever, just multiply by that. 537 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:35,600 But also I think about a 100% addition of other things, like do utilities need to be 538 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:36,600 moved? 539 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,680 And this is on a gross basis where you're talking about thousands of feet or something, 540 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:46,680 this is the number you get to, but because, you know, you have utility poles, you might 541 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:54,560 have fire hydrants and things like that, so you have those costs, and then the right of 542 00:39:54,560 --> 00:40:02,080 way, easement, but so this was, you know, something, take it with a grain of salt, but 543 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:08,280 this is a rough cost that was delivered to us by a contractor looking at a large project. 544 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:14,240 Yeah, and if we can avoid what I think Dallas did, they had a sidewalk that went straight 545 00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:22,520 into a traffic signal pole and just ended right there, and there was six inches on either 546 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:27,040 side. 547 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,040 Thank you. 548 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,040 Okay. 549 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:39,640 I also suggest that maybe City Council does not grant any variances for developers who 550 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,200 don't want to build sidewalks, but what do I know? 551 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,200 Sorry. 552 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:50,960 I think sidewalks are in our requirement, it's a requirement, it's in our specifications 553 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:51,960 now. 554 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:58,360 And sometimes those variants are granted. 555 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:04,760 One other thing happening in the city is recently the City Council moved to reestablish the 556 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:12,280 Mayor's Committee on Americans with Disabilities Act, and so I think that is a move in the 557 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:22,720 direction of more attention and hopefully some funding, dedicated funding for sidewalks. 558 00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:47,360 I'm aware of an incident in a file location similar to Clay's question, a ramp on a corner 559 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:57,180 of the city, and I'm not going to suggest it, but how do we prevent it from happening? 560 00:41:57,180 --> 00:42:02,400 Yeah, so that's part of the design review, and currently where we look, especially in 561 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:08,400 subdivisions and some of these designs, that none of the utilities are in the same area 562 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,000 as these sidewalks, especially on the corners. 563 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:17,200 So if you visit all the new subdivisions, you'll see ADA ramps going across the intersections, 564 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,760 there are no utility folds in the middle. 565 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:26,040 It's more of an issue in the older part of the town where there was no sidewalk, per 566 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,600 se, considered back in the day. 567 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:36,880 And those streets or the utilities were not designed or looked at from a holistic perspective 568 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,160 for the whole cross-section. 569 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:46,280 So things went in at different times, and there was one time where the street was constructed 570 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,760 and the next thing you know the utilities build their poles, and then someone asked 571 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,720 for a sidewalk and ramps, and it was just another place to put it. 572 00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:57,960 So the sequencing has changed now with all the new development. 573 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,480 We look at everything that's going through that corridor and make sure that they're 574 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:02,480 spaced appropriately. 575 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:23,000 There are quite a few things that they will be involved in, but from our perspective, 576 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:28,360 engineering perspective, there are many capital projects that we're currently working on, 577 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,240 and that's something that we'll discuss, that there are certain corridors going through 578 00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:41,680 the middle of the city or on the outside, and how would access be on some of these streets 579 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,720 or where would you like the access to be? 580 00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:51,240 What type of signage, what type of elements do you need as far as from an ADA perspective? 581 00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:55,320 So those are the things that we're looking for an input in. 582 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,800 A lot of the projects are retrofit, so if we're retrofitting something, then we'll 583 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:06,560 need a perspective and some feedback from the committee saying, "Okay, if you go this 584 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:12,720 direction or post signage here or put ramps here, that would be a better alternative than 585 00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:14,840 what you're suggesting in your plans currently." 586 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:15,840 So that's the input. 587 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,440 >> Would you have somebody from staff that shines after that? 588 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,040 >> Yes, absolutely, and probably you're looking at him. 589 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,280 >> That's more of a thing. 590 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,280 >> Okay. 591 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:34,040 We're going to stay on topic, so we have to keep to our agenda, but good question. 592 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,520 Okay, anything else on sidewalks? 593 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,120 Okay, thank you. 594 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:47,560 That brings us to 1ETSC 18-046, which is our staff update. 595 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:55,680 We got some suggestions about rescheduling our December meeting. 596 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,400 And then we also need to talk about our matrix. 597 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,920 I don't remember what the dates were in December because I was pretty open, so. 598 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,800 >> So let me start with why we're requesting this. 599 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:18,060 A couple of weeks ago, a week and a half ago, we had a meeting with TWU, and TWU wants to 600 00:45:18,060 --> 00:45:22,120 look at alternatives in implementing their master plan. 601 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:31,200 And part of the goal there working with TWU is conduct a big traffic study that analyzes 602 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,600 different options. 603 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:38,420 Closing down bill is what they're requesting, and in a similar fashion, we've done something 604 00:45:38,420 --> 00:45:39,800 similar with the UNT right now. 605 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,560 We're going through the traffic study and understanding what are the impact. 606 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:48,120 So we want to embark on something similar. 607 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:55,720 The thinking was that next December, I think December, we have a joint meeting between 608 00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:58,920 city staff as well as TWU staff. 609 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:03,800 And within that, we're supposed to come with a plan to decide if we're moving forward with 610 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:04,800 the study. 611 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,440 And once we have that set up, we'll bring it to this committee and go through the elements 612 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,320 of this is where we'll be covered in the study. 613 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:18,240 Once we get approval from the committee and recommendation, then we can move forward to 614 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:23,520 council and get their approval on funding and moving forward with the study. 615 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,600 That's the reason we're looking for moving this meeting. 616 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:35,160 The joint staff meeting is first week of December, and it was right after our first meeting. 617 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,080 So we're thinking if we can meet second week. 618 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:43,820 I think the dates are 13th, 19th, 20th, and 27th. 619 00:46:43,820 --> 00:46:45,440 Who wants to meet on the 27th? 620 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:46,440 No. 621 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:47,440 I'm just kidding. 622 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:48,440 [ Laughter ] 623 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:55,440 >> Does anybody have any preferences? 624 00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:06,360 The 13th would be our first shot, maybe a Thursday night. 625 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,440 >> Very much open to anything except the 20th. 626 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:09,440 That's my granddaughter's birthday. 627 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:10,440 >> Okay. 628 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:11,440 So we're taking 20th off the table. 629 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:12,440 That leaves us with the 19th and the 13th. 630 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:13,440 >> I think the 13th. 631 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:14,440 >> Anybody feel? 632 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:15,440 >> For me. 633 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:16,440 >> Okay. 634 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:17,440 Jeff? 635 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:18,440 >> I'm open. 636 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:19,440 >> Okay. 637 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:20,440 >> 13th. 638 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:21,440 Jim? 639 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:22,440 Okay. 640 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:23,440 Do we want a motion? 641 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:24,440 >> Yeah. 642 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:25,440 That way, yeah. 643 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:26,440 We can -- definitely. 644 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:27,440 >> Okay. 645 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:28,440 So who wants -- 646 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:33,440 >> I make a motion that we reconvene on December. 647 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,440 >> 13th? 648 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:37,440 >> 13th. 649 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:38,440 >> Thursday? 650 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:39,440 Okay. 651 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:40,440 530? 652 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:41,440 >> 530. 653 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:42,440 >> Okay. 654 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,040 We have a motion to reschedule to Thursday, December 13th. 655 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,040 530. 656 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:48,040 Do we have a second? 657 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:49,040 Melissa seconds. 658 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,040 Everybody in favor? 659 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,040 Aye. 660 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,040 >> Aye. 661 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,040 >> Aye. 662 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,040 >> Anybody opposed? 663 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,040 Excellent. 664 00:47:55,040 --> 00:48:02,400 We will be back on the 13th of December with a report from TWA and city staff. 665 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:08,920 And then that brings us to our matrix, our favorite part. 666 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:14,600 >> So I'd like to ask you if you have any specific item on the matrix that you want 667 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:23,880 to talk about because I'm going to most likely jump to the last item that is the collision 668 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:28,280 reports and data that was asked in the previous meeting. 669 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:33,720 We did request some information from PD and there's a lot of information that needs to 670 00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:34,720 be distilled. 671 00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:43,440 They just gave a list of top 10 intersections that have collisions and as expected these 672 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:51,520 are U.S. 38935, those tech stock roadway intersections that are large, that carry a large number 673 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:52,520 of vehicles. 674 00:48:52,520 --> 00:49:01,600 So we want to get into and get a better idea of how much are those involving pedestrians 675 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,080 and bicyclists because that's a lot of our focus. 676 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,720 And then also come back with a better explanation. 677 00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:16,820 So most likely next meeting we'll come back with a better report breaking it down further. 678 00:49:16,820 --> 00:49:22,760 On the Mew Street we can include that because we're moving forward with the design aspect 679 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:29,280 of it and we'll have some more information but I'm not sure if I can bring that next 680 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,540 meeting because we wouldn't have that much information more than what you've already 681 00:49:32,540 --> 00:49:35,360 seen on it. 682 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,360 Any specific one that? 683 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:48,040 I was curious about, so I had asked about the poor signage on Welch near the Union and 684 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,040 I have... 685 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,040 Poor signage. 686 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,040 Oh yes. 687 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,120 So that street has been closed for the past couple weeks as you may know because of drainage 688 00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:56,120 construction. 689 00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:00,640 So yes, once that construction moves out we'll take a look at the whole street and drive 690 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,500 it and install the signage. 691 00:50:02,500 --> 00:50:04,480 This is for the lane assignment, correct? 692 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,960 The lane assignment changes and no one understands. 693 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:17,040 I'll take that if you want. 694 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:24,000 I was going to just follow up on nine. 695 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:30,080 So we just have those businesses, I think we mentioned, station motors specifically 696 00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:36,520 right on the corner of McKinney and Locust where their cars block the sidewalks and push 697 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:41,960 pedestrians right when the roads open out into the street area and everything's unclear 698 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:42,960 over there. 699 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,280 You probably know it's not clear anywhere. 700 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,840 And so maybe resolving that with those businesses and I don't think they're the only one that's 701 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:50,840 blocking those sidewalks. 702 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:51,840 There are a lot of those. 703 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:56,000 And they've probably been doing it for a long time and no one said anything but it's a pretty 704 00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:00,120 dangerous situation because it pushes you pretty close to cars that are speeding up 705 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,120 quickly. 706 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:15,240 I can update, nothing's changed. 707 00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:19,280 And so I guess aside from actual changes to the street, even just letting the business 708 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:20,280 know. 709 00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:27,680 We'll get with the enforcement and see what we can do. 710 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,680 Can I add one? 711 00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:31,680 Yes, absolutely. 712 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:50,720 Is it possible, because the cars come all the way out to the end and that's where the 713 00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:57,560 white stripe is, is it possible to move the stripe back on the left-hand side? 714 00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,360 Oh, I see. 715 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,960 So big trucks, fire trucks. 716 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:03,960 So the stop bar. 717 00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:10,000 The buses, you know, we can't, you know, it's very hard to make the turn, you know, and 718 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,440 not hit the curb. 719 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,520 Okay, we'll look at it, definitely. 720 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:32,640 Turning radius. 721 00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,800 Does anybody else have items for the matrix? 722 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:44,360 I'd like to add looking at protected bike lanes. 723 00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,440 Looking at all the different options that we could have. 724 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:53,760 I mean, we've done a lot about traffic calming and stuff like that, and I think we need to 725 00:52:53,760 --> 00:53:01,000 look at that in the same way with protected bike lanes, and maybe what kind of pilot projects 726 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,000 we could do. 727 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:07,360 You know, Eagle Drive was a pilot project for a road diet, and it's worked out pretty 728 00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:15,640 well and now Welch is, I mean, not Welch, but Malone is, particularly starting around 729 00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:25,440 schools or something, and since you just did Malone, maybe around Newton-Razor, some type 730 00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:32,240 of bollards that can protect the approach to school from both directions, and just the 731 00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:34,120 different options we can have. 732 00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:35,120 Okay. 733 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:39,920 You're talking, focusing on existing bike facilities, or are you talking about brand 734 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:40,920 new? 735 00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:49,960 I'd like both, but I think we need to look at what we've got, and then any new construction, 736 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:55,200 trying to incorporate that into it, as well as you're talking about pedestrians. 737 00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,200 Yeah. 738 00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:00,200 Well, I mean, I wonder if Hickory would make sense, too, between UNT and the square as 739 00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,360 a possible one, because we already have a bike lane there and seeing what it would look 740 00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,720 like to make it a protected lane. 741 00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:06,720 Right. 742 00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:13,080 I'd be curious also about Bell, just because of the Strickland Middle School. 743 00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:18,320 I mean, could kids ride their bike down Bell to get to Strickland? 744 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:19,320 And Bell's... 745 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:20,320 Not safely. 746 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:21,320 Bell's fairly wide street. 747 00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:22,320 Yeah, it's great. 748 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:23,320 Just throwing it out there. 749 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:24,320 Okay. 750 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:25,320 We'll look at it. 751 00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:34,520 Anyone else have anything for the matrix? 752 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:35,520 Yeah. 753 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,560 I'd like to make a request, please. 754 00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:39,560 I was just curious. 755 00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:40,560 I get a lot of questions. 756 00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:41,560 I'm sure a lot of you all do, too. 757 00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:47,840 And I know that we've touched on it briefly here in the past about the construction on 758 00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:54,520 I-35 between Teasley and State School, or 2499, I think it is now. 759 00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:59,240 And I was just wondering if you might be able to provide us or put on the agenda to provide 760 00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:04,680 us information on, you know, what the original plan was there, you know, kind of where we're 761 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:12,240 at with the plan now and moving forward, and any details that would be, you know, supply 762 00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:17,480 us with a better understanding of exactly what's going on there. 763 00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:22,920 And also, if possible, you know, once we receive that information that you could actually provide 764 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:29,240 us with any -- if there's any significant changes in the current plan, that you might 765 00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:31,600 be able to provide those updates to us. 766 00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:32,600 Definitely. 767 00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:33,600 Thanks. 768 00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:34,600 All right. 769 00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:35,600 All right. 770 00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:36,600 Anything else for pre-TEMS matrix? 771 00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:37,600 That's how I like to think of it. 772 00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:38,600 Okay. 773 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:39,600 So is there anything else, then, from staff? 774 00:55:39,600 --> 00:56:00,760 No, I think we -- quick update on the -- some of the changes that's happening with the -- our 775 00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:02,240 staff organization. 776 00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:08,480 We have had two new engineers added to the traffic group, which is really helping me 777 00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:12,800 out on top of Mark being there as a bike/pet coordinator. 778 00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:18,840 We have a senior engineer, Tracy, that's being assigned to traffic, and she's diligently 779 00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,120 writing down what needs to be done. 780 00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:23,640 And there is a new person that started. 781 00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:30,080 She unfortunately didn't make it today, but her name is Pam, and she's starting with traffic 782 00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:31,280 too. 783 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,120 So she's more on the signal side. 784 00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:35,480 Tracy is more on the planning side. 785 00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:39,920 So we -- I -- now we have help, and we can get more things done. 786 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:46,720 Just wanted to know that there are more people to help on the staff side. 787 00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:51,480 Tell them about your promotion. 788 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:59,880 So I think there was a -- there was a memo or some information out there last week. 789 00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,000 I'm getting new duties assigned. 790 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:06,240 I'll be working on the development review. 791 00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:11,040 I'll have a new group under me called engineering services that will review all the new development 792 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:12,040 going in. 793 00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:17,920 So all the design criteria that we updated make sure that the lane sizes and all the 794 00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,640 requirements are implemented appropriately. 795 00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:26,000 So that's going to be -- that's why I have -- I'm happy I have more traffic folks that 796 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:31,520 can focus on all the traffic needs, and then I'll be focusing on development review. 797 00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,320 So are you still going to be ours? 798 00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:34,320 Yes. 799 00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:35,320 Okay. 800 00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:36,320 Good. 801 00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:41,320 Do your other job, that's fine, but just -- so you're still ours. 802 00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:42,320 Okay. 803 00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:43,320 Okay. 804 00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:44,320 Congratulations. 805 00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:45,320 Thank you. 806 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:46,320 Yeah. 807 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:47,320 Congrats. 808 00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:48,320 All right. 809 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:49,320 Anything else? 810 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:50,320 Okay. 811 00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:58,080 We will adjourn at 627, and we'll see you in December.