WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.400 The first item on our agenda is items 1, items for 00:00:05.400 --> 00:00:06.679 consideration. 00:00:06.679 --> 00:00:14.039 1A is TSC 18-036 to consider the approval of the Traffic 00:00:14.039 --> 00:00:15.359 Safety Commission meetings 00:00:15.359 --> 00:00:19.199 of September 17, 2018. 00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:23.059 Did everyone have a chance to look at the minutes? 00:00:23.059 --> 00:00:24.059 Are there any corrections? 00:00:24.059 --> 00:00:25.059 Sorry for that. 00:00:25.059 --> 00:00:30.600 Are there any corrections or amendments to those minutes? 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:32.640 Move, we approve. 00:00:32.640 --> 00:00:33.640 Okay. 00:00:33.640 --> 00:00:34.640 We have one motion for approval. 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:35.640 Do I have a second? 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:36.640 Second. 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:37.640 We have a second. 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:41.320 Does everyone vote in favor? 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:42.320 Anyone opposed? 00:00:42.320 --> 00:00:43.320 Okay. 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:47.439 Minutes passed unanimously. 00:00:47.439 --> 00:00:54.329 Item 1B, TSC 18-037 is to receive a training and hold a 00:00:54.329 --> 00:00:57.000 discussion on City Boards and Commission 00:00:57.000 --> 00:00:58.000 training. 00:00:58.000 --> 00:00:59.000 Good evening, everyone. 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:04.159 My name is Preetam Deshmukh. 00:01:04.159 --> 00:01:09.560 Last week, we, the staff, city staff received a training. 00:01:09.560 --> 00:01:13.439 It was more in line with how do you run these meetings? 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:16.519 There are several board and committee--committees 00:01:16.519 --> 00:01:17.959 throughout the city. 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:19.519 What are the things that you need to know? 00:01:19.519 --> 00:01:22.560 How do you run the meeting? 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:25.239 And what are the things you need to watch out for? 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:28.329 So I'm going to quickly play a training video and then we 00:01:28.329 --> 00:01:30.519 can discuss if we have any questions, 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:31.519 we can get some answers. 00:01:31.519 --> 00:01:32.519 There it is. 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:33.519 I see YouTube. 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:34.519 Yeah, we have a YouTube channel. 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:53.519 If lots of them, why don't we have one? 00:01:53.519 --> 00:02:05.599 Okay. 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:25.719 [Video played] 00:02:25.719 --> 00:02:40.860 Congratulations on your appointment to one of our city's 00:02:40.860 --> 00:02:42.560 boards, commissions, or city 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:43.560 council committees. 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:46.199 Boards and commissions are essential to the successful 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:47.879 function of city government, and 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:50.960 your contributions will upshake the future of Denton. 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:53.810 You will be studying and recommending policy application on 00:02:53.810 --> 00:02:55.080 a variety of issues vital to 00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:56.080 the city's future. 00:02:56.080 --> 00:03:00.120 This training is designed to assist you in your service. 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:02.740 As a companion to your boards and commissions handbook, 00:03:02.740 --> 00:03:04.319 this video will provide a general 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:07.240 introduction to topics and processes that directly affect 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:08.840 members of boards, including 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:11.710 an overview of the city of Denton government structure, 00:03:11.710 --> 00:03:13.560 general membership information, 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:16.419 applicability of conflict of interest in open government 00:03:16.419 --> 00:03:18.319 laws, and procedural rules governing 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:19.319 meetings. 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:22.599 The city attorney, city secretary, and staff liaisons are 00:03:22.599 --> 00:03:24.240 also available to assist you 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:26.159 in your role as a board member. 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:30.009 The Denton city charter was adopted in 1959 and is the 00:03:30.009 --> 00:03:31.840 basic governing authority of the 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:32.840 city. 00:03:32.840 --> 00:03:35.469 The charter determines the form of municipal government, 00:03:35.469 --> 00:03:36.840 the composition and powers of 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:40.469 the city council, and establishes the legal framework 00:03:40.469 --> 00:03:42.879 necessary for a city to function. 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:45.439 The charter establishes a council manager form of 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:47.280 government where the city council 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:51.139 serves as political leaders and policy makers and retains a 00:03:51.139 --> 00:03:53.000 professionally trained manager 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:56.439 to oversee the delivery of public services. 00:03:56.439 --> 00:03:59.020 The city council consists of a mayor and six council 00:03:59.020 --> 00:04:00.800 members who are elected to serve as 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:03.759 the legislative body of the city. 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:06.509 As a legislative body, the council members are the 00:04:06.509 --> 00:04:08.280 community decision makers. 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:12.129 The council focuses on community goals, major projects, and 00:04:12.129 --> 00:04:14.039 long-term considerations such 00:04:14.039 --> 00:04:17.410 as community growth, land use development, capital 00:04:17.410 --> 00:04:20.120 improvement plans, capital financing, 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:22.199 and strategic planning. 00:04:22.199 --> 00:04:25.720 The city council appoints the city manager, city attorney, 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:27.199 and municipal judge. 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:30.290 All other city employees report to the city manager who is 00:04:30.290 --> 00:04:32.240 responsible for daily operations 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:34.519 of the city. 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:37.050 The city manager is appointed by the council to serve the 00:04:37.050 --> 00:04:38.800 community through the professional 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:42.720 administration of local government projects and programs. 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:45.470 The city manager prepares the budget for the council's 00:04:45.470 --> 00:04:47.480 consideration, recruits, hires, 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:51.000 and supervisors the local government staff, and serves as 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:52.759 the council's chief advisor 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:56.259 by bringing forth objective information regarding policy 00:04:56.259 --> 00:04:57.000 matters. 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:00.089 The manager makes policy recommendations to the council 00:05:00.089 --> 00:05:02.639 which the council may adopt, modify, 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:04.639 or reject. 00:05:04.639 --> 00:05:07.839 The city council also appoints the city attorney. 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:10.970 The city attorney's office serves as the legal branch of 00:05:10.970 --> 00:05:12.680 the city representing the city's 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:16.529 legal interests and rights, providing legal advice, and 00:05:16.529 --> 00:05:18.759 prosecuting criminal complaints. 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:21.920 Among other things, the city attorney's office drafts and 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:24.199 reviews the city's legal documents 00:05:24.199 --> 00:05:28.000 and issues legal opinions. 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:31.149 The city secretary administers the city's board and 00:05:31.149 --> 00:05:32.680 commission program. 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:35.930 The city secretary is also responsible for conducting city 00:05:35.930 --> 00:05:37.959 elections, preparing and posting 00:05:37.959 --> 00:05:40.649 the city council meeting agendas and minutes, and 00:05:40.649 --> 00:05:42.839 maintaining the official records of the 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:43.839 city. 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:47.250 The city manager assigns a staff member to work with each 00:05:47.250 --> 00:05:48.759 board or commission. 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:51.970 The staff liaison's role is to prepare meeting agendas, 00:05:51.970 --> 00:05:54.639 staff reports, and supporting information 00:05:54.639 --> 00:05:58.500 to the commission prior to meetings, ensure compliance with 00:05:58.500 --> 00:06:00.360 the Texas Open Meetings Act, 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:03.129 prepare board recommendations to the city council, and make 00:06:03.129 --> 00:06:04.399 presentations to the city 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:07.199 council on behalf of the board. 00:06:07.199 --> 00:06:10.459 Now to board members' requests for information related to 00:06:10.459 --> 00:06:12.120 the business of the board. 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:15.209 Board members do not have authority over the work program 00:06:15.209 --> 00:06:16.160 of city staff. 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:19.560 Rather, the liaison acts as an information resource and 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:21.759 provides technical assistance. 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:25.050 A board or commission may request staff's assistance on 00:06:25.050 --> 00:06:26.360 various projects. 00:06:26.360 --> 00:06:29.589 However, the city manager must approve all requests, which 00:06:29.589 --> 00:06:31.160 create a substantial amount 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:33.560 of work for staff. 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:37.410 You as an interested and informed citizen are essential to 00:06:37.410 --> 00:06:39.199 effective local government. 00:06:39.199 --> 00:06:42.069 Because your viewpoint is so valuable to the city council 00:06:42.069 --> 00:06:44.160 members, they take your appointment, 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:48.019 attendance, and involvement on the board very seriously and 00:06:48.019 --> 00:06:49.439 ask that you do also. 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:51.980 The council is aware that board members have careers, 00:06:51.980 --> 00:06:53.959 families, and other responsibilities 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:55.519 that demand their time. 00:06:55.519 --> 00:06:58.850 However, because of the importance of citizen boards, the 00:06:58.850 --> 00:07:00.639 city council asks that each new 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:03.769 board member make every effort to attend all meetings of 00:07:03.769 --> 00:07:05.480 the board and notify the staff 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:08.870 liaison of their board in advance if they are unable to 00:07:08.870 --> 00:07:10.600 attend a board meeting. 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:13.560 The unexcused absence of any board member from more than 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:15.120 three regularly called and 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:18.300 scheduled meetings in any one year, or the lack of 00:07:18.300 --> 00:07:20.800 attendance at 50% of the number of 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:24.319 regular meetings in a year, will be considered cost for 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:25.120 removal. 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:28.980 An excused absence includes illness, death of a family 00:07:28.980 --> 00:07:31.959 member, jury duty, military service, 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:35.220 testifying before the legislature, attending a seminar 00:07:35.220 --> 00:07:37.199 relative to the member's duties, 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:42.170 or absence necessary for business or employment, among 00:07:42.170 --> 00:07:43.120 others. 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:45.889 The staff liaison will provide a staff member at the 00:07:45.889 --> 00:07:48.000 meeting of each board to take minutes 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:51.079 of each meeting in a form consistent with city council 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:52.839 meeting minutes to reflect an 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:56.759 accurate record of business transactions at the meeting. 00:07:56.759 --> 00:07:59.170 Minutes of the meeting will be submitted for approval by 00:07:59.170 --> 00:08:00.600 the members present at the next 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:04.500 meeting with revisions, corrections, or amendments being 00:08:04.500 --> 00:08:05.839 made at that time. 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:09.699 The chair and vice chair will be elected annually by voting 00:08:09.699 --> 00:08:10.920 board members. 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:14.250 If for any reason the chair or vice chair vacates their 00:08:14.250 --> 00:08:16.839 seat, a special election should be held 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:19.360 to fill the unexpired term. 00:08:19.360 --> 00:08:23.470 A temporary chair may be selected by the board pursuant to 00:08:23.470 --> 00:08:25.519 Robert's rules of order. 00:08:25.519 --> 00:08:28.759 The staff liaison shall serve as the official secretary to 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:30.680 the board or commission to ensure 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:34.269 records are maintained in accordance with requirements of 00:08:34.269 --> 00:08:36.279 the city secretary's office. 00:08:36.279 --> 00:08:39.279 The city council has adopted an ethics policy that applies 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:41.279 to all council members and appointed 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:45.240 city officials, including board and commission members. 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:48.440 You can access the policy in your handbook. 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:52.090 Note the ethics policy lists some state penal laws that may 00:08:52.090 --> 00:08:53.960 be applicable to members. 00:08:53.960 --> 00:08:58.100 Please consult the city attorney with any questions about 00:08:58.100 --> 00:08:59.159 the policy. 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:01.830 There may be times when your board or commission would like 00:09:01.830 --> 00:09:03.519 to suggest policy recommendations 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:06.490 or seek clarification of policy statements from the city 00:09:06.490 --> 00:09:08.039 council that fall within the 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:10.039 scope or purpose of the board. 00:09:10.039 --> 00:09:13.600 A majority of the board or commission may request that 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:15.960 staff propose questions or policy 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:19.809 statements for response or consideration from the city 00:09:19.809 --> 00:09:20.440 council. 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:23.190 Boards and commissions may also provide an annual or more 00:09:23.190 --> 00:09:24.639 periodic report to the city 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:28.500 council as appropriate, outlining their activities, 00:09:28.500 --> 00:09:31.799 accomplishments, projects, and initiatives. 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:34.720 The density charter requires all board members to comply 00:09:34.720 --> 00:09:36.600 with the state conflict of interest 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:38.039 laws. 00:09:38.039 --> 00:09:41.409 State law requires a board member with substantial interest 00:09:41.409 --> 00:09:43.519 in a business entity or real property 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:47.059 to file an affidavit with the staff liaison and abstain 00:09:47.059 --> 00:09:49.039 prior to a vote or decision on 00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:52.879 any matter involving the business entity or real property. 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:56.009 If the action on the matter will have a special economic 00:09:56.009 --> 00:09:58.840 effect on the business entity distinguishable 00:09:58.840 --> 00:10:01.850 from the effect on the public, or if it is foreseeable that 00:10:01.850 --> 00:10:03.200 the action on the matter 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:06.350 will have a special economic effect on the value of the 00:10:06.350 --> 00:10:08.279 real property distinguishable 00:10:08.279 --> 00:10:10.519 from its effect on the public. 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:13.929 For example, the attorney general has opined that a special 00:10:13.929 --> 00:10:15.600 economic effect on the value 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:19.159 of real property distinguishable from the effect on the 00:10:19.159 --> 00:10:21.120 public exists when a PNZ board 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:25.090 member has an interest in real property located within 200 00:10:25.090 --> 00:10:27.279 feet of property being rezoned. 00:10:27.279 --> 00:10:31.370 However, the AG made it clear that these evaluations are 00:10:31.370 --> 00:10:33.320 highly fact intensive. 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:36.889 Ask yourself the question, will this action before my board 00:10:36.889 --> 00:10:38.480 affect the value of my real 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:42.850 property in a manner that is different from public at large 00:10:42.850 --> 00:10:43.080 ? 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:46.159 You have a substantial interest in a business entity, 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:48.200 nonprofit or government entity is 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:52.690 not a business entity, if you own 10% or more of the voting 00:10:52.690 --> 00:10:54.960 shares of the business entity 00:10:54.960 --> 00:11:00.529 or own either 10% or more than $15,000 or more of its fair 00:11:00.529 --> 00:11:02.799 market value, or you receive 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:07.279 funds from the business entity exceeding 10% of your gross 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:09.639 income for the previous year. 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:12.620 You have a substantial interest in real property if the 00:11:12.620 --> 00:11:15.080 interest is in equitable or legal ownership 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:19.399 with a fair market value of $2,500 or more. 00:11:19.399 --> 00:11:22.269 You have a substantial interest if your close relative 00:11:22.269 --> 00:11:24.559 within the first degree of consanguinity 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:28.840 and affinity has a substantial interest. 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:32.690 A violation of Chapter 171 is a Class A misdemeanor, 00:11:32.690 --> 00:11:35.720 although penal provisions are not applicable 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:38.720 to advisory board members. 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:42.570 If you think you have a Chapter 171 conflict, contact the 00:11:42.570 --> 00:11:44.480 staff liaison prior to the meeting 00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:47.669 to make arrangements for the signing of the required affid 00:11:47.669 --> 00:11:48.200 avit. 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:51.350 If you have any regarding potential conflicts of interest, 00:11:51.350 --> 00:11:53.159 please contact the city attorney 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:56.279 through your staff liaison. 00:11:56.279 --> 00:11:58.600 There are times you will have a perceived conflict of 00:11:58.600 --> 00:11:59.960 interest even though it is not 00:11:59.960 --> 00:12:03.320 a conflict that is prohibited by law. 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:05.750 In those cases, you should make a judgment call as to 00:12:05.750 --> 00:12:07.320 whether you should abstain from 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:08.320 the matter. 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:12.169 The city's ethics policy states, "I will act with integrity 00:12:12.169 --> 00:12:13.519 and moral courage. 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:15.679 I will be absolutely truthful. 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:19.259 I will make impartial decisions that are free of bribes, un 00:12:19.259 --> 00:12:21.399 lawful gifts, narrow political 00:12:21.399 --> 00:12:25.049 interests, and other personal interests that might impair 00:12:25.049 --> 00:12:27.039 my independence of judgment. 00:12:27.039 --> 00:12:31.519 I will always decide what is best for the whole city." 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:34.840 If you think the perceived conflict affects your ability of 00:12:34.840 --> 00:12:36.639 independent judgment or there 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:39.500 is a strong appearance that you lack the ability to divorce 00:12:39.500 --> 00:12:41.480 yourself from the perceived conflict 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:45.480 in making a decision, you should carefully consider whether 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:47.559 abstention is appropriate. 00:12:47.559 --> 00:12:50.940 Often these are difficult judgment calls for which there 00:12:50.940 --> 00:12:53.000 are no absolute right answers. 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:55.759 In making your decision, you should weigh the harm of 00:12:55.759 --> 00:12:57.799 participating against your general 00:12:57.799 --> 00:13:00.039 duty to serve on the board. 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:03.169 You have a duty to participate and vote on all matters that 00:13:03.169 --> 00:13:04.799 come before the board unless 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:08.769 you have a conflict or you lack information to decide the 00:13:08.769 --> 00:13:09.480 issue. 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:13.330 Chapter 176 of the Texas Local Government Code requires you 00:13:13.330 --> 00:13:15.120 to file a Conflicts Disclosure 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:19.610 Statement, CIS, with the city secretary if you or your 00:13:19.610 --> 00:13:22.600 family member A, has an employment 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:26.159 or business relationship with a city contractor or vendor 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:28.279 that results in taxable income or 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:32.139 B, received or accepted one or more gifts from a city 00:13:32.139 --> 00:13:34.480 contractor or vendor excluding 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:38.500 gifts of food, lodging, transportation, or entertainment 00:13:38.500 --> 00:13:40.240 accepted as a guest with an 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:45.039 aggregate value of $250 in the preceding 12 months. 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:48.009 You are required to file the form within seven days after 00:13:48.009 --> 00:13:50.039 you become aware of the relationship 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:51.039 with the city. 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:54.899 The CIS is signed under penalty of perjury and is a Class C 00:13:54.899 --> 00:13:57.000 misdemeanor to fail to timely 00:13:57.000 --> 00:13:58.000 file the form. 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:02.409 However, it is a defense to prosecution if you file the CIS 00:14:02.409 --> 00:14:04.440 not later than the seventh 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:07.440 day after you receive notice of violation. 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:11.639 Therefore you have two chances to comply. 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:15.500 By City Council rule, all boards must comply with the Texas 00:14:15.500 --> 00:14:16.919 Open Meetings Act. 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:19.919 The Act generally provides that meetings of a board shall 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:21.639 be public, although there are 00:14:21.639 --> 00:14:25.490 a few exceptions whereby a decision-making body may 00:14:25.490 --> 00:14:27.799 deliberate in a closed meeting. 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:31.240 The most common exceptions include consultation with 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:34.440 attorney, deliberations about real property, 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:38.879 deliberations about gifts and donations, personnel matters, 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:41.559 deliberation about security devices, 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:45.409 competitive banners of certain public power utilities, and 00:14:45.409 --> 00:14:47.240 deliberation about economic 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:48.240 development negotiations. 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:52.110 There are criminal penalties for holding an unauthorized 00:14:52.110 --> 00:14:54.240 closed meeting for boards with 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:57.120 decision-making authority. 00:14:57.120 --> 00:15:00.970 Written notice must be given of dates, times, and locations 00:15:00.970 --> 00:15:02.200 of all meetings. 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:05.070 Minutes of each meeting must be taken and a record of votes 00:15:05.070 --> 00:15:06.600 and decisions kept as public 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:07.600 record. 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:10.679 It is important that when more than two members are in any 00:15:10.679 --> 00:15:12.519 given place where city business 00:15:12.519 --> 00:15:15.740 is being discussed, the meeting should be posted as a preca 00:15:15.740 --> 00:15:17.240 utionary measure to avoid 00:15:17.240 --> 00:15:20.600 the accusation of attempting or conspiring to conduct city 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:22.039 business in private. 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:25.399 It is also very important that the board limit discussion 00:15:25.399 --> 00:15:27.559 during meetings to only those items 00:15:27.559 --> 00:15:30.559 listed on the posted agenda. 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:33.419 Conversation or action on items not posted on the agenda 00:15:33.419 --> 00:15:35.399 would also be considered a violation 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:36.840 of the Act. 00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:39.919 The Open Meetings Act does not apply to purely social 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:42.480 gatherings, conventions, or workshops 00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:46.200 such as Texas Municipal League events. 00:15:46.200 --> 00:15:48.929 Any specific question or issues should be referred to the 00:15:48.929 --> 00:15:50.519 City Attorney's Office through 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:52.759 the staff liaison. 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:55.620 The City Council has formally adopted rules of procedure 00:15:55.620 --> 00:15:57.120 that govern the proceeding of 00:15:57.120 --> 00:16:01.000 City Council, Board, and Commission meetings except where 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:02.679 those rules are signed. 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:06.230 In that case, the most recent edition of Robert's Rules of 00:16:06.230 --> 00:16:07.720 Order shall govern. 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:10.929 The rules of procedure also address the Code of Conduct and 00:16:10.929 --> 00:16:12.720 Participation Guidelines for 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:15.919 citizens, staff, and board members. 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:19.320 A copy of the rules of procedure is included in the append 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:21.080 ix section of the Unimor. 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:24.159 The function of the chairperson is to provide leadership to 00:16:24.159 --> 00:16:26.039 the group in the following ways. 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:29.899 One, to maintain order by enforcing the established rules 00:16:29.899 --> 00:16:30.600 and 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:36.169 Two, to ensure the meeting proceeds smoothly and follows 00:16:36.169 --> 00:16:37.320 the agenda. 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:41.169 If the group is indecisive, the chairperson should exercise 00:16:41.169 --> 00:16:43.360 leadership and make suggestions. 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:47.259 When debate is concluded, the chairperson should summarize 00:16:47.259 --> 00:16:48.879 the major points made. 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:52.100 In general, the chairperson should maintain order and try 00:16:52.100 --> 00:16:53.840 to bring the group to a conclusion 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:55.159 on matters before it. 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:58.240 It is important that the chairperson understands the 00:16:58.240 --> 00:17:00.679 parliamentary procedures of the board and 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:03.580 is willing to use them to facilitate the business of the 00:17:03.580 --> 00:17:04.160 board. 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:07.019 Here are a few obvious points that should be followed but 00:17:07.019 --> 00:17:09.000 are often forgotten. 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:14.039 One, the chairperson should recognize the person or persons 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:15.519 who wish to speak and only 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:17.920 they should be allowed to speak. 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:22.119 Others should hold their comments until they have the floor 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:22.119 . 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:26.000 Two, the board should discuss only one point at a time and 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:27.599 should only discuss those items 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:31.200 that are listed on the public agenda for discussion. 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:34.079 If a board member would like to discuss an item not on the 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:35.839 agenda, he or she may request 00:17:35.839 --> 00:17:39.720 that the item be placed on a future agenda for discussion. 00:17:39.720 --> 00:17:42.480 The discussion of an item that is not listed on the agenda 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:44.039 may be a violation of the Open 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:46.000 Meetings Act. 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:49.950 Three, before discussion of an issue by board members, a 00:17:49.950 --> 00:17:52.640 motion should be made and seconded. 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:55.349 The making of a motion normally occurs following a 00:17:55.349 --> 00:17:57.680 presentation or description of the issue 00:17:57.680 --> 00:18:00.359 by a staff member or chairperson. 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:03.880 After the motion is made and seconded, debate can be 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:04.920 conducted. 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:08.819 Example of the proper form of a motion is, "Mr./Madam Chair 00:18:08.819 --> 00:18:11.519 person, I move the following." 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:14.650 Four, if the meeting is a public hearing, the board should 00:18:14.650 --> 00:18:16.359 hear the public without making 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:20.480 comments until questions are allowed by the chairperson. 00:18:20.480 --> 00:18:23.630 Board members may listen to citizens speak and may ask 00:18:23.630 --> 00:18:26.160 questions of citizens for clarification 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:28.160 on the issue. 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:31.490 Board members may not engage citizens in a discussion of 00:18:31.490 --> 00:18:33.160 the topic because to do so could 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:36.720 potentially be a violation of the Open Meetings Act. 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:39.579 These are important procedural rules that allow the public 00:18:39.579 --> 00:18:41.279 to clearly follow the deliberation 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:44.779 of the board and provide for the most accurate recording of 00:18:44.779 --> 00:18:46.079 meeting minutes. 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:49.930 The rules of procedure accommodate public comment on agenda 00:18:49.930 --> 00:18:51.599 items and public hearings. 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:54.180 Members of the public may sign up to speak on regular 00:18:54.180 --> 00:18:55.839 agenda items by signing up with 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:58.279 the recording secretary. 00:18:58.279 --> 00:19:01.720 Members of the public are also able to speak on items 00:19:01.720 --> 00:19:03.759 posted as a public hearing. 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:06.990 Speakers generally have four minutes to address the board 00:19:06.990 --> 00:19:08.839 regarding the specific item. 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:11.500 Other information regarding public participation in 00:19:11.500 --> 00:19:13.799 meetings may be found in the rules of procedure 00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:16.440 in the appendix section of your handbook. 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:19.430 Again, congratulations on your appointment and thank you so 00:19:19.430 --> 00:19:20.720 much for your interest in 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:22.440 serving your community. 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:34.329 Your efforts will make Denton a better place to live and 00:19:34.329 --> 00:19:35.559 work. 00:19:35.559 --> 00:19:36.559 Any questions on this? 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:42.839 I do have a question. 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:49.599 Do you have a handbook? 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:50.599 We can look into that. 00:19:50.599 --> 00:19:53.819 I'll get with the city secretary and if there are specific 00:19:53.819 --> 00:19:55.720 handbooks we can have that given 00:19:55.720 --> 00:19:56.720 to you. 00:19:56.720 --> 00:19:58.799 You mentioned you had a handbook and I'm like, "Mm-hmm." 00:19:58.799 --> 00:19:59.799 The magical handbook. 00:19:59.799 --> 00:20:00.799 Yeah. 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:01.799 Yeah. 00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:02.799 All right. 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:03.799 Any other questions, comments? 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:06.799 Okay. 00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:12.039 So everybody's up to speed now. 00:20:12.039 --> 00:20:13.559 Okay. 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:19.359 The next item of business is 1CTSC 18-03A, which is to 00:20:19.359 --> 00:20:22.880 receive a report and hold a discussion 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:26.990 and make a recommendation to city council for approval of 00:20:26.990 --> 00:20:28.960 an amendment for advanced 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:33.549 funding agreement for furnishing and installing of traffic 00:20:33.549 --> 00:20:36.240 signal equipment by municipality 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:43.759 at the intersection of FM 2499 and Robinson Road. 00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:46.240 Okay. 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:47.720 This is a similar item. 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:54.930 It is an agreement between the city and TechStat to provide 00:20:54.930 --> 00:21:00.359 for funding specific signal equipment. 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:03.819 So typically what happens is TechStat, when they go in and 00:21:03.819 --> 00:21:06.140 widen these streets and corridors, 00:21:06.140 --> 00:21:11.539 they install signals at intersections that require signal 00:21:11.539 --> 00:21:12.640 ization. 00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:15.910 And while doing so, the equipment is bought by TechStat, 00:21:15.910 --> 00:21:18.160 their contractors, and they install 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:19.160 them. 00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:23.390 A lot of times what happens when we go that route, some of 00:21:23.390 --> 00:21:25.720 the equipment that is crucial 00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:30.089 to our communications, talking to different other signal 00:21:30.089 --> 00:21:32.559 equipment throughout the city, 00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:38.130 the type of equipment, the specifications of the equipment 00:21:38.130 --> 00:21:40.559 are not consistent and the 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:43.599 contractor loses it in the contract. 00:21:43.599 --> 00:21:48.039 So what we try to do is we provide our own specific type of 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:50.480 equipment, city buys it and 00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:53.630 provides it to TechStat while they're going through the 00:21:53.630 --> 00:21:54.720 construction. 00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:59.690 The ultimate goal being city is through an interlocal 00:21:59.690 --> 00:22:02.880 agreement, city manages all the 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:07.329 traffic signals throughout the city for all TechStat 00:22:07.329 --> 00:22:08.680 facilities. 00:22:08.680 --> 00:22:11.430 So ultimately we want to make sure that we can communicate 00:22:11.430 --> 00:22:13.160 with the signal, we can maintain 00:22:13.160 --> 00:22:17.599 them, we have the right equipment to replace, and that's 00:22:17.599 --> 00:22:19.920 why we have to make sure that we're 00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:23.599 consistent in all the signal equipment. 00:22:23.599 --> 00:22:27.230 This is similar to the item that we brought forward for 00:22:27.230 --> 00:22:30.400 another intersection along FM2181 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:32.039 last time around. 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:36.200 And this is an agreement amendment. 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:41.319 This particular FM2499 stretch had two signalized 00:22:41.319 --> 00:22:45.599 intersections, one at State School, which is 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:49.450 right here, this is signalized, and then the other one was 00:22:49.450 --> 00:22:50.559 Unicorn Lakes. 00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:53.869 So these two signals are already in place and the agreement 00:22:53.869 --> 00:22:55.720 between the city and TechStat 00:22:55.720 --> 00:22:57.759 has been signed. 00:22:57.759 --> 00:23:02.470 The signalized intersection at Robinson and 2499 was added 00:23:02.470 --> 00:23:04.359 at a later stage and this is 00:23:04.359 --> 00:23:09.000 where we're back for an amendment. 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:14.819 And staff recommendation is, commissioners, traffic safety 00:23:14.819 --> 00:23:17.799 commission recommends council 00:23:17.799 --> 00:23:22.329 for moving forward with this amendment and getting reimb 00:23:22.329 --> 00:23:24.839 ursed for the signal equipment 00:23:24.839 --> 00:23:29.039 that we've already supplied to TechStat. 00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:30.039 Any questions? 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:33.759 Is this the same intersection we were looking at last week? 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:37.920 So last, there is a little bit of confusion I think. 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:41.759 Last week we came here for a no right turn on red. 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:42.759 But it's the same intersection. 00:23:42.759 --> 00:23:44.799 It is the same intersection. 00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:49.960 But last week we came for an amendment of a different 00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:53.480 intersection on 2181. 00:23:53.480 --> 00:23:56.599 So the agreement was for a different location. 00:23:56.599 --> 00:24:04.559 This is an agreement for Robinson at 2499. 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:06.220 Okay any discussion? 00:24:06.220 --> 00:24:07.220 Any questions for Preetam? 00:24:07.220 --> 00:24:12.799 I just want to make sure I understand because I'm new. 00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:17.680 So the city's already provided the equipment. 00:24:17.680 --> 00:24:20.519 You're simply saying yes, pay for it? 00:24:20.519 --> 00:24:24.119 Is that what we're doing? 00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:25.119 Preetam? 00:24:25.119 --> 00:24:28.119 I apologize for that. 00:24:28.119 --> 00:24:33.000 Typically it is not, this is sort of backwards typically. 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:37.160 What happens is TechStat designs all these corridors and 00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:39.319 the signals and all the plans 00:24:39.319 --> 00:24:40.759 are prepared. 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:44.690 Then they make sure that they list all the intersections in 00:24:44.690 --> 00:24:45.960 the agreement. 00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:49.150 And then that goes through the process of traffic safety 00:24:49.150 --> 00:24:51.680 commission approving it, recommending 00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:53.799 it to the city council. 00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:55.839 And then they go for construction. 00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:59.700 In this case they did not anticipate signalizing Robinson 00:24:59.700 --> 00:25:01.079 at 2499. 00:25:01.079 --> 00:25:02.960 So the work has already been completed. 00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:07.410 And now we're in the process of backtracking and how can we 00:25:07.410 --> 00:25:09.480 get our money back for the 00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:13.960 equipment that we've already provided. 00:25:13.960 --> 00:25:16.319 I have a question about what changed then. 00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:21.710 If they were anticipating the building of these roads and 00:25:21.710 --> 00:25:24.680 did not originally anticipate 00:25:24.680 --> 00:25:30.319 the need for traffic signaling at that intersection, what 00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:31.519 changed? 00:25:31.519 --> 00:25:36.559 The city convinced them. 00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:42.690 Typically for example on 2181, if you take an example on Te 00:25:42.690 --> 00:25:45.400 asley, we already know what 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:46.400 the traffic is. 00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:48.359 It's a two lane highway. 00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:50.599 We know what the traffic is on the cross street. 00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:55.230 So you can go out there, collect existing data, do a signal 00:25:55.230 --> 00:25:57.099 warrants analysis. 00:25:57.099 --> 00:26:00.480 And based on that, okay, a signal is warranted. 00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:01.799 There is already one there. 00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:06.029 So TechStat goes ahead and designs it in their widening 00:26:06.029 --> 00:26:07.039 project. 00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:11.430 When there is a brand new facility, something like 2499, 00:26:11.430 --> 00:26:13.279 they do not have the data. 00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:17.529 So a lot of times their approach at looking at things is 00:26:17.529 --> 00:26:20.200 once we construct it, we'll collect 00:26:20.200 --> 00:26:25.240 the data at the later stage and then we'll implement it. 00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:29.099 So when we went back and forth, we had to do a lot of 00:26:29.099 --> 00:26:31.359 convincing and prove that if you 00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:36.200 leave this intersection un-signalized, there will be a lot 00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:38.279 of backup on Robinson. 00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:41.200 They were planning an all-way stop here. 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:45.349 And yeah, we lived through that phase of this project, all 00:26:45.349 --> 00:26:46.519 the way stop. 00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:47.519 Okay. 00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:48.519 All right. 00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:52.119 So who issued the change order on that, the city or the 00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:52.799 state? 00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:56.039 The state is trying to amend their agreement with the city. 00:26:56.039 --> 00:26:57.299 Trying to? 00:26:57.299 --> 00:26:58.299 This is an amendment. 00:26:58.299 --> 00:26:59.299 So it will... 00:26:59.299 --> 00:27:01.039 Oh, I thought I was on. 00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:02.039 Greenline. 00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:03.039 Greenline. 00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:04.039 Hello. 00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:05.039 I'm sorry. 00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:06.039 Hi. 00:27:06.039 --> 00:27:09.009 Again, the change order was issued by, as I understand, the 00:27:09.009 --> 00:27:09.559 state? 00:27:09.559 --> 00:27:10.559 Correct. 00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:14.420 The state realized they only have an agreement for two 00:27:14.420 --> 00:27:15.519 intersections. 00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:17.839 And since the city went ahead and helped them construct 00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:19.519 this third intersection, supplied 00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:23.079 the equipment already because it's running, they have 00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:25.599 issued an amendment to their existing 00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:26.599 agreement. 00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:27.599 A comment? 00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:32.349 For somebody like me who's relatively new to the community, 00:27:32.349 --> 00:27:34.880 I can look 2181 all day 00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:38.039 long, but this map doesn't show it that way. 00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:45.400 Do you have maps to correspond to the FM 2181 or 2499 as 00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:48.400 opposed to Robinson Road? 00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:54.049 So we don't necessarily have a map that shows FM 2499, but 00:27:54.049 --> 00:27:56.599 this Barrelstrap Road and State 00:27:56.599 --> 00:28:01.599 School Road, this from FM 2181 is right here. 00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:04.779 From this point all the way to 35E. 00:28:04.779 --> 00:28:09.319 If you go further south at some point, this will show up as 00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:11.000 FM 2499. 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:14.519 But it's just a matter of which view you're looking at. 00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:19.759 An observation from last week, if I could. 00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:23.630 We were taking a vote and it came up that if we voted a 00:28:23.630 --> 00:28:26.279 certain way, we would lose some 00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:27.279 money? 00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:28.279 Correct. 00:28:28.279 --> 00:28:32.690 For a future, if that would be impacting on another future 00:28:32.690 --> 00:28:34.960 decision, can you state that 00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:38.519 as part of the review for us up front? 00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:40.799 Okay, yes, definitely. 00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:43.509 It sets a precedence for the future projects that we're 00:28:43.509 --> 00:28:44.640 bringing forward. 00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:47.640 Very good, thank you. 00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:51.880 You can leave it on. 00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:56.160 Any other questions, comments? 00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:59.660 I would just say that maybe for Melissa's, since she wasn't 00:28:59.660 --> 00:29:01.160 here at the last one, we 00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:06.930 voted against one which we learned after the vote means 00:29:06.930 --> 00:29:10.240 that the city paid out the money 00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:12.319 and does not recoup it from the state. 00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:17.480 We reconsidered it and got the state to kick in. 00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:21.630 So a no vote on this one would arrive at the same situation 00:29:21.630 --> 00:29:23.319 , right, Pritam? 00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:24.319 Correct. 00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:28.759 Okay, thanks. 00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:29.759 Anyone ready to make a motion? 00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:30.759 I'll make a motion to approve. 00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:31.759 Do we have a second? 00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:32.759 I'll second. 00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:33.759 Okay, do we have a second? 00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:38.759 Yeah, make sure the green lights are on. 00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:43.359 Okay, everyone in favor of the motion? 00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:44.359 Aye. 00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:47.920 Okay, anyone opposed? 00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:50.200 And that passes unanimously. 00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:51.200 Awesome. 00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:58.079 Okay, that brings us to item 1D, TSC 18-039, which is to 00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:01.599 receive a report, hold discussion 00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:09.849 regarding neighborhood traffic management measures, traffic 00:30:09.849 --> 00:30:13.799 calming in the city of Denton. 00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:17.650 So traffic calming, this is a presentation that went before 00:30:17.650 --> 00:30:19.480 council to have specifically 00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:24.480 asked for this particular item to be brought forward. 00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:29.450 And this went in last week, Wednesday, part of it, I'm 00:30:29.450 --> 00:30:31.720 going to go through it. 00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:34.799 If you have any questions in the middle, just stop me at a 00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:36.900 particular traffic calming option 00:30:36.900 --> 00:30:38.539 that you're looking at. 00:30:38.539 --> 00:30:43.930 And I think this starts or sets the stage moving forward 00:30:43.930 --> 00:30:45.500 for the city. 00:30:45.500 --> 00:30:46.500 What is our process? 00:30:46.500 --> 00:30:50.200 How are we dealing with neighborhood speeding concerns? 00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:53.319 What are we doing as far as cut through traffic? 00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:55.119 How do we address neighborhood issues? 00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:59.299 There's been a lot of neighborhoods within the community 00:30:59.299 --> 00:31:02.200 that have raised this concern. 00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:05.630 As Denton continues to grow, traffic on the major arterials 00:31:05.630 --> 00:31:07.920 is finding ways around neighborhoods 00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:12.200 and getting through smaller streets at a higher speed. 00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:14.369 That's something that no one really likes in their 00:31:14.369 --> 00:31:16.160 neighborhood, in their front yard. 00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:20.690 So these are certain, this is how we're trying to handle 00:31:20.690 --> 00:31:21.440 this. 00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:25.599 I'll also talk about some next steps towards the end of the 00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:26.960 presentation. 00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:30.980 But in general, what are we doing? 00:31:30.980 --> 00:31:33.000 So what is traffic calming? 00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:37.619 It is mainly used for reducing speed as well as high cut 00:31:37.619 --> 00:31:41.160 through traffic through neighborhood 00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:42.160 streets. 00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:46.670 So really local residential streets, that where you have 00:31:46.670 --> 00:31:49.039 actual driveways and you back 00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:53.200 out on the street while you're getting out of your houses. 00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:55.559 On those particular streets, what are the steps? 00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:56.559 How do we address this? 00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:00.799 So the first, look at the three step method that we are, 00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:03.279 the first thing we do is educate 00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:06.119 people, make them aware of the situation. 00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:09.980 A lot of times there have been neighborhoods where 00:32:09.980 --> 00:32:13.279 neighbors themselves, people that live 00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:18.119 in the actual neighborhood subdivision community are 00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:21.680 participant to some of the speeding and 00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:23.160 other activities. 00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:27.339 So a lot of times if there's local awareness that helps 00:32:27.339 --> 00:32:29.759 address some of the issues. 00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:32.000 The second step is definitely enforcement. 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:35.359 We focus a lot on enforcement and I'll go through what 00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:37.920 police department staff is currently 00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:40.640 doing and what kind of method they're using. 00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:44.690 And then last, engineering, which is how do we physically 00:32:44.690 --> 00:32:47.640 address this issue using engineering? 00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:52.470 How do we narrow streets down, put in some of the traffic 00:32:52.470 --> 00:32:54.960 calming devices in place so 00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:58.990 that actual traffic slows down or is forced to slow down 00:32:58.990 --> 00:33:01.119 because of the features. 00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:05.009 So the first step, education and enforcement go hand in 00:33:05.009 --> 00:33:05.660 hand. 00:33:05.660 --> 00:33:09.509 Police department uses this method called SARA, which is 00:33:09.509 --> 00:33:11.440 scan, analyze, respond and 00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:12.619 assess. 00:33:12.619 --> 00:33:16.000 So once they get a speeding complaint, the first thing they 00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:17.460 are doing is doing speed 00:33:17.460 --> 00:33:20.609 studies to understand are people really speeding through 00:33:20.609 --> 00:33:21.880 this neighborhood? 00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:22.880 What is the percentage? 00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:25.400 Are a lot of people speeding? 00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:32.430 If they're more than 85th percentile speed is more than the 00:33:32.430 --> 00:33:35.799 posted speed limit, then 00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:40.019 the police department staff continues to for the next two 00:33:40.019 --> 00:33:42.799 to three weeks do a robust education 00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:45.960 and enforcement campaign. 00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:50.130 It's a combination of stopping people warning them if they 00:33:50.130 --> 00:33:52.079 're in a different range and 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:56.450 then enforcing or ticketing them if they're really above, 00:33:56.450 --> 00:33:59.640 way above the posted speed limit. 00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:04.799 After that two to three weeks, another second study is 00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:08.199 conducted and that's where they want 00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:11.760 to focus their attention on has the behavior changed? 00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:14.349 If there are any changes in the behavior, have people 00:34:14.349 --> 00:34:16.199 really started understanding that 00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:19.369 these are not the streets that they should be traveling at 00:34:19.369 --> 00:34:21.280 the rate that they're doing? 00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:25.139 And the last one is a third speed study and this is 00:34:25.139 --> 00:34:28.079 typically about two months after the 00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:31.429 second and they want to go back and see if the changes that 00:34:31.429 --> 00:34:33.440 they're trying to bring about 00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:34.760 are they permanent? 00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:35.800 Not permanent. 00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:38.880 So this is the process that we go through in the first two 00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:39.480 steps. 00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:44.659 Now at the end of this particular process, if it continues 00:34:44.659 --> 00:34:47.159 to happen that the speeders 00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:50.239 continue to speed, if there's a large amount of cut through 00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:51.719 traffic, then the next item 00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:53.679 that we look at is engineering. 00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:59.079 Okay, Tim, I have a question about the 85 percent, 85 00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:01.960 percent of the vehicles are above 00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:04.239 the posted speed limit. 00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:06.360 How is that decision made? 00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:11.329 So this is through a lot of engineering studies and data 00:35:11.329 --> 00:35:14.659 collection that traffic engineers 00:35:14.659 --> 00:35:19.260 throughout the nation have come to the conclusion that 00:35:19.260 --> 00:35:22.880 depending on the clues and the environment 00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:27.469 that a person is driving, typically if 85 percent of the 00:35:27.469 --> 00:35:29.519 people are driving under a 00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:34.489 certain speed, that is identified as a speed limit for that 00:35:34.489 --> 00:35:36.440 particular roadway. 00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:39.960 So if you really have a wide street, large street and 00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:42.000 people are really driving at a 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:45.170 kind of fast rate, then that becomes a normal norm because 00:35:45.170 --> 00:35:47.360 the environment that you're driving, 00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:48.360 the driver gets comfortable. 00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:52.159 It's more of a psychological assessment. 00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:54.739 And the more and more features, if you have more 00:35:54.739 --> 00:35:57.159 residential features, if you have narrow 00:35:57.159 --> 00:35:59.889 street or parking and the types of, that's part of the 00:35:59.889 --> 00:36:01.639 options that we have for traffic 00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:05.860 calming, then it makes it less desirable for any driver to 00:36:05.860 --> 00:36:08.280 be traveling at that particular 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:09.280 speed. 00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:13.139 So if 85 percent of the people are driving at a speed limit 00:36:13.139 --> 00:36:15.119 or below it, then that becomes 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:17.079 your speed limit or that's the 85 percent. 00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:19.400 So that's a national standard. 00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:20.400 That's a national standard. 00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:24.559 And then in some neighborhoods, is there a way for us in 00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:26.639 Denton then to have more of 00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:30.039 a graduated look at that? 00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:35.010 Like there are some neighborhoods where if 20 percent of 00:36:35.010 --> 00:36:37.599 the drivers are above the speed 00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:44.510 limit, then the risk to children, to pedestrians, to cycl 00:36:44.510 --> 00:36:48.519 ists on the road is more intense. 00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:49.800 Correct. 00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:53.900 So I think that's the next step is to go to engineering and 00:36:53.900 --> 00:36:55.880 force people to slow down 00:36:55.880 --> 00:37:00.090 at some of these nodes, intersections or along the stretch 00:37:00.090 --> 00:37:01.320 of the street. 00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:04.320 There are different options that can be looked into as to 00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:06.119 when you're entering a specific 00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:09.409 neighborhood or when you're going through a neighborhood, 00:37:09.409 --> 00:37:10.760 what are the options? 00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:13.369 If there's a lot of cut through traffic, because a lot of 00:37:13.369 --> 00:37:15.079 times it's not the local residents 00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:17.090 that are living in the community, a lot of cut through 00:37:17.090 --> 00:37:18.360 folks that are rushing through 00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:19.480 the area. 00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:21.840 So there are different alternatives that we can go through. 00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:26.880 And yeah, absolutely engineering is a way to address that. 00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:29.880 Thank you. 00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:33.219 So I want to start with what are the most common requests 00:37:33.219 --> 00:37:35.679 when it comes to slowing people down 00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:39.360 and there are some misconceptions associated with that. 00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:43.280 So the number one request is stop signs. 00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:47.130 Everyone wants a stop sign along the corridor so that 00:37:47.130 --> 00:37:49.400 people will slow down and stop at 00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:51.460 each and every intersection. 00:37:51.460 --> 00:37:56.429 On the contrary, studies have shown that if a person is 00:37:56.429 --> 00:37:59.719 traveling and stop signs are placed 00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:02.989 to reduce speed, not necessarily warranted, there's a whole 00:38:02.989 --> 00:38:04.440 warrant process that goes 00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:07.300 through the stop sign, but if they're not warranted, they 00:38:07.300 --> 00:38:08.599 're installed for slowing 00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:12.659 folks down, they will come to a rolling stop first and then 00:38:12.659 --> 00:38:15.039 second, they will try and speed 00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:16.920 up between the intersections. 00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:20.789 So those studies have proven that it is not really an 00:38:20.789 --> 00:38:23.559 effective tool and second, if it's 00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:26.440 not warranted, it cannot be enforced. 00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:31.210 So it's not enforceable, we cannot regulate that, PD cannot 00:38:31.210 --> 00:38:33.159 go out and ticket if it's 00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:34.159 not warranted. 00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:38.699 So if there is a case if someone challenges, legally we 00:38:38.699 --> 00:38:41.639 cannot really issue a citation. 00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:44.579 So that is a misconception. 00:38:44.579 --> 00:38:50.250 Stop signs are typically installed based on federal and 00:38:50.250 --> 00:38:53.719 state guidelines and those yield 00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:57.170 and stop signs, these are regulatory signs, cannot be used 00:38:57.170 --> 00:38:58.519 for speed control. 00:38:58.519 --> 00:38:59.760 So that's the first thing. 00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:02.340 And I'll get on, touch a little bit more on the speed house 00:39:02.340 --> 00:39:05.039 , but that's the second most 00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:11.510 common, that's the second most common request for reducing 00:39:11.510 --> 00:39:12.440 speed. 00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:16.280 This is the process that we typically follow. 00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:19.230 Obviously when we get, I touched on the first couple, we 00:39:19.230 --> 00:39:21.000 get a request, we go through the 00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:24.639 education enforcement piece. 00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:28.000 Part of that also includes data collection and assessment. 00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:33.309 And here's how we determine eligibility is if your average 00:39:33.309 --> 00:39:36.159 volume is, average daily volume 00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:42.039 is 1000 vehicles or 100 peak hour vehicles, that's a good 00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:44.280 candidate for a street to look 00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:47.280 at cut through traffic as well as speeding. 00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:51.409 The 85th percentile, we talked about that, if the 85th 00:39:51.409 --> 00:39:53.559 percentile speed is five or more 00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:57.409 than the speed limit, so for example 30 miles an hour is 00:39:57.409 --> 00:39:59.400 the speed limit, if majority of 00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:04.150 the folks, 85 percent are going more than that, five more 00:40:04.150 --> 00:40:06.559 than that, more than 35, so 00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:09.690 that at that point it becomes a good candidate to get into 00:40:09.690 --> 00:40:12.039 the next step for looking at engineering 00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:13.519 solutions. 00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:18.250 And then of course a lot of cut through traffic with 100 00:40:18.250 --> 00:40:19.739 trips in there. 00:40:19.739 --> 00:40:22.199 So what do we do after we get all this data? 00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:27.820 We develop a plan, traffic calming is, I wouldn't say 00:40:27.820 --> 00:40:32.320 controversial, but very choice specific 00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:34.889 between different residents, some residents like it, 00:40:34.889 --> 00:40:36.320 certain ways, some don't. 00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:41.480 So we do have to develop a plan and get a neighborhood 00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:44.519 meeting, a community sort of 00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:47.409 most preferred alternative, not everyone's going to agree, 00:40:47.409 --> 00:40:48.900 but if we go through the process 00:40:48.900 --> 00:40:51.650 of reaching out to the community and saying this is the 00:40:51.650 --> 00:40:53.360 majority of the folks, this is 00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:57.750 a better option than the other one, at that point that 00:40:57.750 --> 00:41:00.519 concept is chosen and then we can 00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:03.389 move forward with the next steps as far as funding, 00:41:03.389 --> 00:41:05.559 engineering design, and then after 00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:10.050 that construction portion just assess the effectiveness, 00:41:10.050 --> 00:41:12.199 evaluate it, how much is, this 00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:17.280 is the process that staff typically follows. 00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:22.000 We are actually in the preliminary stages of implementing 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:23.679 this everywhere. 00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:27.929 This is something new that the city has started so that we 00:41:27.929 --> 00:41:31.039 can address some resident concerns. 00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:33.559 Yes, Jim. 00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:38.099 One of the factors, I saw the presentation you did at the 00:41:38.099 --> 00:41:39.239 other one. 00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:41.210 One of the factors is it might be a temporary problem 00:41:41.210 --> 00:41:42.559 because of road construction. 00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:43.559 Correct. 00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:47.170 So if you're going to do three studies and you're going to 00:41:47.170 --> 00:41:48.880 do them within two months, 00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:52.239 it may not be the good approach. 00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:55.159 Yeah, and I'm glad you brought that up. 00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:59.530 We are going through a similar issue along some of the 00:41:59.530 --> 00:42:02.960 neighborhoods off of FM 2181. 00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:05.400 There are certain parallels, North, South Street that run 00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:06.840 through neighborhood and people 00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:09.519 cut over into that neighborhood. 00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:13.019 So as TechStop moves forward with some of their projects, 00:42:13.019 --> 00:42:14.960 we move forward with our bigger 00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:16.440 capital projects. 00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:19.829 We identify a lot of these neighborhoods that are going to 00:42:19.829 --> 00:42:21.480 be on a temporary basis. 00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:24.650 One of the things that we're also looking at is what is a 00:42:24.650 --> 00:42:26.960 temporary engineering solution? 00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:31.030 By that I mean how can we install some of these traffic 00:42:31.030 --> 00:42:33.559 calming devices on a temporary 00:42:33.559 --> 00:42:37.099 basis, on a bolt down basis, or are there any signs and 00:42:37.099 --> 00:42:39.400 markings that we can use better? 00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:42.559 So there are different ways of looking at it. 00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:47.090 We can actually go ahead and install curbs or bulb outs 00:42:47.090 --> 00:42:50.119 using temporary rubberized curbs 00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:53.250 that will be bolted throughout the construction period of a 00:42:53.250 --> 00:42:54.880 year or two years, and then we 00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:58.159 can be removed after the issue has been resolved. 00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:02.239 So there are several ways that we can address this issue. 00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:04.280 Yes? 00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:07.639 What do you think is the cause of the problem? 00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:11.820 What leads to roads that ... the problem in the first place 00:43:11.820 --> 00:43:13.599 , is it the roads are built 00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:14.599 too wide? 00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:16.599 Is it just that there's congestion in other areas? 00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:20.969 Is there anything planning long term we can do differently, 00:43:20.969 --> 00:43:22.559 and are we doing it? 00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:29.030 So yes, the main cause of this is how well the city is 00:43:29.030 --> 00:43:30.599 planned. 00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:33.400 Are there master plans in place? 00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:37.840 Have you already identified major arterials and thorough 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:40.360 fare that should be in place when 00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:41.960 the traffic arrives? 00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:44.929 So it's a combination of development happening at the same 00:43:44.929 --> 00:43:46.840 time the city's trying to implement 00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:48.320 their master plan. 00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:53.159 So a lot of times there is not really an overlap. 00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:54.920 We miss the dates. 00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:56.800 The schedules are not the same. 00:43:56.800 --> 00:44:00.260 So by the time one of the capital project goes in, there's 00:44:00.260 --> 00:44:01.960 already two subdivisions 00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:02.960 in place. 00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:06.360 So that kind of creates an issue that that subdivision 00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:08.280 receives a lot of cut through 00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:11.719 traffic until the project goes in. 00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:14.159 The prime example is FM 2181. 00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:17.199 2181 has been in the design for 10 years. 00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:20.719 It's just by the time it went to construction, it is ... we 00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:22.119 're in 2018. 00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:27.090 So what has happened if 2181 was already constructed to a 00:44:27.090 --> 00:44:30.039 full six lane facility as it's planned 00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:33.889 today, then some of this neighborhood cut through traffic 00:44:33.889 --> 00:44:35.559 and speeding would have not 00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:36.559 occurred. 00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:39.159 So it's a matter of scheduling. 00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:43.750 And as we grow, city is going to go through some sort of 00:44:43.750 --> 00:44:44.679 pains. 00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:51.170 How many of these street sites are ... can you do it once 00:44:51.170 --> 00:44:52.659 as a study? 00:44:52.659 --> 00:44:57.000 We can look at a total neighborhood for a study. 00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:00.849 So there are areas that can be identified saying, for 00:45:00.849 --> 00:45:03.199 example, I think Fulton is a great 00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:04.199 example. 00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:06.119 There is Fulton intersection at Egan. 00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:09.630 There are several intersections along Fulton near Denton 00:45:09.630 --> 00:45:11.559 High, between Denton High and 00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:14.320 US 380 and that whole neighborhood. 00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:16.889 So instead of just focusing on one street or one 00:45:16.889 --> 00:45:19.079 intersection, we can look at the grid 00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:23.269 system of all the streets coming in and create a wholesome 00:45:23.269 --> 00:45:26.000 plan that says, okay, within this 00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:30.110 neighborhood there are certain areas that should be 00:45:30.110 --> 00:45:33.639 restricted or deter people by implementing 00:45:33.639 --> 00:45:35.199 some of these traffic calming devices. 00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:38.429 So they would not use those, instead use University or some 00:45:38.429 --> 00:45:40.480 of the larger streets that are meant 00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:41.480 for traffic. 00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:42.480 Any other questions? 00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:43.480 I'll move on. 00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:49.400 Okay, so these are the options that are a bunch of more. 00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:51.440 So these are about 14. 00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:54.000 We have some more that are not listed here. 00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:59.440 I'm going to focus on the first seven on the left side. 00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:02.079 So I'm going to talk about all of these. 00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:03.079 These are there. 00:46:03.079 --> 00:46:05.840 If you're interested, I can provide more information on 00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:07.920 what exactly they are and pros and cons 00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:09.639 and stuff like that. 00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:11.920 Let's start with speed humps. 00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:13.159 Everyone knows what that is. 00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:18.170 It's a three, four inch bump in the road, which is about 12 00:46:18.170 --> 00:46:20.400 to 20 feet wide with the 00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:22.239 typical width of the road. 00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:25.719 And then it's commonly used for traffic calming. 00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:29.269 Appropriate locations are in mid-block, generally on a 00:46:29.269 --> 00:46:32.360 street and in the residential neighborhood. 00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:34.239 What are the advantages? 00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:38.199 Yeah, it is effective in slowing traffic. 00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:39.199 Relatively low cost. 00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:42.360 It's a matter of adding a little bit more asphalt. 00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:48.130 But once you start focusing in on the disadvantages, things 00:46:48.130 --> 00:46:50.719 get much more clear why. 00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:54.000 The main issue is the emergency response. 00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:58.570 This is not so much so that it would reduce the response 00:46:58.570 --> 00:47:01.000 time or affect it as much. 00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:05.280 It's more of a hazard for paramedics. 00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:07.400 It's ambulances going over these. 00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:12.369 And when patients, especially when patients are in, the 00:47:12.369 --> 00:47:14.840 amount of displacement or the 00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:18.239 amount of speed that they can drive on considerably reduces 00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:18.519 . 00:47:18.519 --> 00:47:20.639 So that's a major concern. 00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:22.920 It definitely is an issue. 00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:26.420 If it's a major transit route, you don't want the bus to 00:47:26.420 --> 00:47:28.360 slow down every single speed 00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:29.639 hump that you're in. 00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:33.400 And then the last one is the drainage concerns. 00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:36.690 If the speed hump extends all the way to the drainage, 00:47:36.690 --> 00:47:39.079 definitely there are issues of water 00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:40.840 not moving forward. 00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:43.159 So these are the main drawbacks. 00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:47.550 And that's why speed humps, typically the easiest one, are 00:47:47.550 --> 00:47:49.500 not recommended because they 00:47:49.500 --> 00:47:51.360 have some serious drawbacks. 00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:53.760 What is the alternative? 00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:58.000 Well, why is it that you said it's the most requested? 00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:01.230 And is it simply because people don't know that there is an 00:48:01.230 --> 00:48:03.280 entire suite of other options? 00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:05.239 Is that the default setting? 00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:06.239 Correct. 00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:08.000 It has been used widely. 00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:09.360 And that's what people know. 00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:12.949 So there's a lot more information out there about that as 00:48:12.949 --> 00:48:14.880 opposed to anything else. 00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:20.239 So this is an improved version of the speed humps. 00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:22.760 These are called speed cushions. 00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:28.329 And they do exactly what the speed humps do, but they do 00:48:28.329 --> 00:48:32.079 have these grooves that are spaced 00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:36.489 such that only emergency vehicles with wider wheelbase, 00:48:36.489 --> 00:48:39.519 axlebase, can actually drive through 00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:41.719 these grooves. 00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:44.800 No trucks, passenger vehicles cannot drive through these 00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:46.519 grooves because their axle bases 00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:48.000 are not wide enough. 00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:52.860 I think this is about 71 inches wide, 70 or 71. 00:48:52.860 --> 00:48:56.710 So if there are places such that you have these spaces in 00:48:56.710 --> 00:48:58.519 there and then there is space 00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:03.369 at the end near the drainage, so drainage issues go away, 00:49:03.369 --> 00:49:05.920 the emergency vehicle issues 00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:06.920 go away. 00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:08.639 This is a better picture. 00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:13.309 And to your point, Commissioner Owens, that these are bolt 00:49:13.309 --> 00:49:15.440 downs, so you can put them 00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:19.360 for a couple years and then take them out when construction 00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:21.079 is completed or the issue 00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:22.559 has gone away. 00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:27.599 One of the also a good aspect of the bolt downs is it can 00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:30.599 also be used as an educational 00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:31.800 tool. 00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:36.519 So if an area or a community feels that majority of the 00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:39.760 people that are really speeding in 00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:43.119 our area are locals, are folks that live in, and all we 00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:45.599 need is more education, get everyone 00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:48.559 on board, then we can implement this for six months or a 00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:50.320 year, a couple years, take it 00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:55.289 out after that so that people get in a routine of following 00:49:55.289 --> 00:49:56.539 that habit. 00:49:56.539 --> 00:50:00.559 So obviously there are several advantages here. 00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:04.420 It does help in reducing vehicular speeds, minimal impact 00:50:04.420 --> 00:50:06.320 to emergency vehicles, and 00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:09.599 then you can also use them on emergency route. 00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:12.460 One of the drawbacks that's shown here, there might be some 00:50:12.460 --> 00:50:13.639 traffic diversion. 00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:17.199 If you install those, people are not going to use the same 00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:17.860 route. 00:50:17.860 --> 00:50:19.519 They might go to the neighborhood streets. 00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:22.599 So that's why when we look at traffic calming, we look at 00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:23.679 the grid pattern. 00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:28.650 We look at all the streets and identify if certain aspects 00:50:28.650 --> 00:50:30.880 or if the traffic would be 00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:31.880 diverted. 00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:35.170 If it will be, then we have to come up with a different 00:50:35.170 --> 00:50:36.400 plan to address. 00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:40.769 On street parking, as I alluded to a little bit early, this 00:50:40.769 --> 00:50:42.599 is also part or can be used 00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:46.460 for calming traffic when there are narrower lanes, when 00:50:46.460 --> 00:50:48.599 there's little width available 00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:50.460 for driving on. 00:50:50.460 --> 00:50:54.309 Then people tend to go slow, they stay away from some of 00:50:54.309 --> 00:50:56.800 these cars that are already parked, 00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:59.659 thinking you might hit someone's doors or someone's 00:50:59.659 --> 00:51:01.079 probably getting out. 00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:03.960 You're cautious, you're attentive. 00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:07.679 So that helps calm traffic. 00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:10.159 So here are some of the advantages. 00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:13.159 It helps reduce it. 00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:16.630 It also acts as a buffer between the pedestrians on the 00:51:16.630 --> 00:51:19.599 sidewalk and the actual vehicles traveling 00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:23.360 in the lanes. 00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:26.920 Disadvantage clearly are visibility of pedestrians. 00:51:26.920 --> 00:51:30.800 That's a big disadvantage that if there are cars parked too 00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:33.000 close, there are gaps that 00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:36.760 pedestrians can run through, especially kids. 00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:39.360 And/or if you want to step outside the curb and cross the 00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:40.800 street, it becomes an issue 00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:41.920 for visibility. 00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:48.000 So there are obviously some risks associated with this. 00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:51.440 And then even risk for cyclists for dooring. 00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:53.280 I mean, that's also common. 00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:58.429 If a cyclist is using the travel lanes, then someone opens 00:51:58.429 --> 00:52:01.679 the door, that becomes an issue. 00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:03.840 Traffic circles, this is slightly separate. 00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:07.199 This is different than the roundabouts. 00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:09.320 This is a typical intersection. 00:52:09.320 --> 00:52:12.300 That's where you can install those. 00:52:12.300 --> 00:52:17.369 And every person that enters a circle has to negotiate on 00:52:17.369 --> 00:52:19.639 the right side so they go 00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:22.199 around the circle. 00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:26.329 These are typically installed with either yield signs so 00:52:26.329 --> 00:52:28.559 that people, when they're approaching 00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:32.139 an intersection, they yield to the traffic within the 00:52:32.139 --> 00:52:32.940 circle. 00:52:32.940 --> 00:52:38.619 They're not advised for higher volumes because it's not 00:52:38.619 --> 00:52:41.960 designed for a higher volume. 00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:44.400 Here are some of these advantages. 00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:47.739 The potential conflict points are very little because any 00:52:47.739 --> 00:52:49.920 person coming into the intersection 00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:52.199 is only looking to their left. 00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:56.480 So they're only conflicting one direction of traffic. 00:52:56.480 --> 00:53:00.420 And then you can actually landscape some of this to enhance 00:53:00.420 --> 00:53:03.159 the appearance of the neighborhood. 00:53:03.159 --> 00:53:05.400 So that's traffic circle. 00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:08.079 What are some of the disadvantages? 00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:12.130 It's difficult for emergency vehicles to go through the 00:53:12.130 --> 00:53:12.960 circle. 00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:17.329 Essentially what traffic circle does is this island in the 00:53:17.329 --> 00:53:20.000 middle impedes any through traffic 00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:21.159 to go fast. 00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:25.190 It forces everyone to really slow down, make this very 00:53:25.190 --> 00:53:28.039 slowly, and then continue going. 00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:31.039 So it does help even though they're not completely coming 00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:33.320 to a stop, they're slowing considerably 00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:34.440 down. 00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:37.949 And if you have some of these at certain intersections or 00:53:37.949 --> 00:53:40.800 intervals, you can definitely help create 00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:45.050 an impact on the actual speed of flowing through the 00:53:45.050 --> 00:53:46.199 corridor. 00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:50.050 They're also an issue for larger vehicles, trucks, buses 00:53:50.050 --> 00:53:51.320 that cannot turn in. 00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:54.190 But if you're in a smaller neighborhood that doesn't have 00:53:54.190 --> 00:53:55.719 that much of that traffic, then 00:53:55.719 --> 00:53:59.320 those are the places you can install them. 00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:04.599 Some impacts for on-street parking at the corners. 00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:07.900 The on-street parking at the corners have to be restricted 00:54:07.900 --> 00:54:09.519 so cars can get over closer 00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:11.840 to the curb and then turn. 00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:15.800 So those are some of the disadvantages. 00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:19.340 So the traffic circle is a roundabout with a smaller 00:54:19.340 --> 00:54:20.400 footprint. 00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:23.480 Are there other pieces that are different? 00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:24.480 They're different. 00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:27.760 I'll pull up a roundabout. 00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:31.239 Traffic circle is not a roundabout. 00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:35.880 It's more of an intersection with an island in the middle. 00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:39.130 And this island in the middle, what it essentially is doing 00:54:39.130 --> 00:54:41.320 is forcing people to slow down because 00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:45.000 they can no longer go through the intersection. 00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:50.159 What a roundabout does, which is next, what a roundabout 00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:52.920 does is actually channelizes 00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:55.840 people with these deflector islands. 00:54:55.840 --> 00:55:01.949 It will channelize people to enter this area slowly with 00:55:01.949 --> 00:55:05.639 much wider turning radius on each 00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:06.639 side. 00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:07.840 So a little bit more space is required. 00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:10.239 You have to better plan this. 00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:14.090 And with this, the only thing you're looking at while you 00:55:14.090 --> 00:55:16.079 're yielding is this one vehicle 00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:17.079 coming in. 00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:21.079 And there could be multiple vehicles within this round area 00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:21.840 around. 00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:24.760 It's a much larger area. 00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:28.320 And while exiting, you're exiting at a different angle. 00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:30.039 So the angles are different. 00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:33.519 They force vehicles to enter much slower. 00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:39.989 And there can be several vehicles within the island, within 00:55:39.989 --> 00:55:43.800 this area inside the roundabout. 00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:46.199 Circulating vehicle, these are all the things. 00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:50.159 Parking is not allowed within this area. 00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:54.309 And then all of the vehicles circulate counterclockwise, 00:55:54.309 --> 00:55:56.559 passing through the island. 00:55:56.559 --> 00:56:00.130 So when you're talking about the traffic circle and you 00:56:00.130 --> 00:56:02.840 said that it's best in an application 00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:10.360 where the intersection sees fewer than 3,500 trips a day? 00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:12.400 Correct. 00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:17.369 Are there -- give me an example of an intersection that you 00:56:17.369 --> 00:56:20.079 might be aware of that would fit 00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:24.920 the definition for that application? 00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:29.159 So these are smaller intersections, definitely. 00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:33.630 And I'm not sure about the 3,500 because I don't have the 00:56:33.630 --> 00:56:35.639 count numbers on top of my 00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:36.639 head. 00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:41.190 But some of the intersections within that Fulton/Egan can 00:56:41.190 --> 00:56:43.320 be looked at to really slow 00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:46.590 down someone that is passing through that intersection at a 00:56:46.590 --> 00:56:47.719 very high speed. 00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:49.940 So when they're passing through the intersection, they know 00:56:49.940 --> 00:56:51.119 that there is an island and they 00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:52.119 have to slow down. 00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:54.599 So definitely it will slow down. 00:56:54.599 --> 00:56:56.920 You don't have to make any changes to the outside curve at 00:56:56.920 --> 00:56:58.000 these intersections. 00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:02.369 So that's why this is an option instead of having a full-bl 00:57:02.369 --> 00:57:04.360 own roundabout where you have 00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:06.559 to redesign and rework everything. 00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:10.599 This is like an inner option that you can throw in there. 00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:13.340 And this would be something, if you were going to plan for 00:57:13.340 --> 00:57:15.039 a traffic circle, you would have 00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:20.010 to get, for instance, bus patterns because of the 00:57:20.010 --> 00:57:23.440 difficulty of making a left turn and 00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:28.000 location to the nearest fire station. 00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:29.000 Correct. 00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:32.429 So emergency routes and bus routes and we have to identify 00:57:32.429 --> 00:57:33.360 all of that. 00:57:33.360 --> 00:57:37.210 So as long as you find that you have an intersection where 00:57:37.210 --> 00:57:39.519 you know that there's not going to be 00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:43.380 public transportation or school transportation needing to 00:57:43.380 --> 00:57:44.400 make the left. 00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:47.039 If they could come in from another way and they're aware of 00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:48.280 that, then that would be 00:57:48.280 --> 00:57:49.280 it. 00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:50.280 These folks can still make a left. 00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:54.960 They have to go around and the turn angle is very 00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:59.480 restrictive to buses and large vehicles. 00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:03.239 Okay. 00:58:03.239 --> 00:58:07.139 So right and right out islands, these are right and right 00:58:07.139 --> 00:58:09.079 out as the name suggests. 00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:13.019 It is at an intersection where no left movements out of 00:58:13.019 --> 00:58:15.800 that particular neighborhood or in 00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:19.239 to that neighborhood are allowed. 00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:24.079 And as I mentioned, this is mostly at intersections where a 00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:27.880 smaller street, residential neighborhood 00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:31.849 or other type of street comes in and intersects a major 00:58:31.849 --> 00:58:34.440 arterial or a major collector. 00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:38.860 So this is an intersection where you really don't want that 00:58:38.860 --> 00:58:40.960 main street traffic to really 00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:44.389 use or enter your neighborhood making left from either 00:58:44.389 --> 00:58:46.440 direction or getting out of your 00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:47.440 neighborhood. 00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:51.010 You just want the quick right and right out folks that can 00:58:51.010 --> 00:58:52.079 go in and out. 00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:54.159 So it's a partial access. 00:58:54.159 --> 00:58:55.760 There is a complete closure also. 00:58:55.760 --> 00:58:57.760 There's that, that is an option. 00:58:57.760 --> 00:59:01.199 There are other options for that. 00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:05.610 It reduces traffic on local streets, improves pedestrian 00:59:05.610 --> 00:59:06.639 crossing. 00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:09.300 If you look at there, it creates a refuge area for 00:59:09.300 --> 00:59:10.280 pedestrians. 00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:14.920 So someone has to only look in one direction to cross. 00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:19.880 And then it may divert traffic to some parallel streets. 00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:23.179 So it could be, it could be worked in a combination of one 00:59:23.179 --> 00:59:24.719 is right and right out. 00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:28.599 The other one gets a full access or vice versa, depending 00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:30.960 on the type of residential street 00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:32.719 and how much traffic they have. 00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:37.039 It can be worked into the whole traffic calming. 00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:39.920 Next one is curb extensions. 00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:42.079 These are bulb outs. 00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:46.239 Typically the intersection is narrowed out. 00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:49.440 You take out parking and bring in the curbs outside. 00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:53.300 So when cars are entering, this is not a full wide 00:59:53.300 --> 00:59:56.559 intersection, but it's actually a narrow 00:59:56.559 --> 00:59:57.559 place. 00:59:57.559 --> 01:00:00.719 So when you're approaching the intersection, you're really 01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:02.199 slowing down and then you go 01:00:02.199 --> 01:00:03.199 through the intersection. 01:00:03.199 --> 01:00:07.059 So this is creating more of a effect that you have very 01:00:07.059 --> 01:00:09.039 little space to go through this 01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:10.039 place. 01:00:10.039 --> 01:00:14.559 So it creates that sense of narrowing and feeling of, okay, 01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:16.519 I need to slow down or else 01:00:16.519 --> 01:00:18.960 I'm going to hit the curb. 01:00:18.960 --> 01:00:23.000 It is appropriate for local roads on some of the collectors 01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:24.320 and arterials. 01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:26.719 It works well in the downtown area. 01:00:26.719 --> 01:00:31.090 I think this will be considered as part of one of the 01:00:31.090 --> 01:00:34.119 improvements for the Mew Street. 01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:38.780 I'm not sure if you're aware of the streets that are behind 01:00:38.780 --> 01:00:41.480 the square, Austin, Pecan. 01:00:41.480 --> 01:00:44.059 Those are looked into for redesigning and this is one of 01:00:44.059 --> 01:00:46.000 the options that will be considered. 01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:49.860 How can we make it more of an entry point that's safe for 01:00:49.860 --> 01:00:52.440 pedestrians and bicycles and everyone 01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:57.030 as opposed to a thoroughfare for vehicles to just go 01:00:57.030 --> 01:00:59.039 through that area? 01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:04.480 And then it can also be used as mid-block locations. 01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:07.000 There are advantages and disadvantages. 01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:09.690 It does definitely improve pedestrian safety because 01:01:09.690 --> 01:01:11.559 pedestrians are way out here in front 01:01:11.559 --> 01:01:15.480 of the traffic as opposed to way back here. 01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:19.730 It may help reduce some of the travel speeds because you're 01:01:19.730 --> 01:01:21.739 entering a narrow area. 01:01:21.739 --> 01:01:23.360 It does prevent illegal parking. 01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:27.500 I think this gets more into a space where UNT and TW, all 01:01:27.500 --> 01:01:29.559 the universities that are 01:01:29.559 --> 01:01:33.559 running into the issue of parked cars near intersections. 01:01:33.559 --> 01:01:36.980 They're so close to the intersections that they are 01:01:36.980 --> 01:01:38.679 blocking visibility. 01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:41.539 They're so close to driveways that people can't even get 01:01:41.539 --> 01:01:42.920 out of their driveway. 01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:47.449 All that can be avoided with some of this where the parking 01:01:47.449 --> 01:01:49.519 itself is eliminated. 01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:53.679 You're technically enforcing your existing ordinance which 01:01:53.679 --> 01:01:55.800 requires vehicles to be parked 01:01:55.800 --> 01:01:59.960 30 feet from the intersection stop signs. 01:01:59.960 --> 01:02:05.210 So this bringing out of the curb will help enforce some of 01:02:05.210 --> 01:02:07.639 our parking problems. 01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:10.539 And then obviously with some landscaping and all, it 01:02:10.539 --> 01:02:12.159 improves the appearance. 01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:15.730 Of course, loss of parking may prevent right turns at the 01:02:15.730 --> 01:02:16.920 intersection. 01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:21.349 This is leading to a larger vehicles, buses, and trucks 01:02:21.349 --> 01:02:23.760 trying to make this right turn 01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:26.079 when there is already a vehicle here. 01:02:26.079 --> 01:02:30.099 So they have to probably wait until that vehicle clears and 01:02:30.099 --> 01:02:32.480 then you make a wide angle turn. 01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:36.690 And then it may create some difficulties for bicyclists if 01:02:36.690 --> 01:02:38.679 there's a bike lane that's 01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:40.760 next to the curb. 01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:44.619 But some of those issues can be looked at when we're 01:02:44.619 --> 01:02:47.159 actually recommending the types 01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:50.639 of traffic calming options. 01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:56.030 This one, last one that came about, this is use of public 01:02:56.030 --> 01:02:58.599 art in traffic calming. 01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:03.150 And there are several cities that are being created, use of 01:03:03.150 --> 01:03:05.340 murals on the wall or public 01:03:05.340 --> 01:03:10.320 art within an island area, median area. 01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:15.710 Some are using landscaping, lighting, paint on the pavement 01:03:15.710 --> 01:03:17.719 and stuff like that. 01:03:17.719 --> 01:03:20.000 This all helps. 01:03:20.000 --> 01:03:22.750 It gives that feel of, this is something new, I need to 01:03:22.750 --> 01:03:24.320 slow down a little bit and look 01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:25.960 at this. 01:03:25.960 --> 01:03:28.280 It helps. 01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:31.670 Maintenance wise, there is a pavement, this pavement 01:03:31.670 --> 01:03:34.079 marking, maintenance is an issue. 01:03:34.079 --> 01:03:36.280 You have to maintain it a lot. 01:03:36.280 --> 01:03:41.369 The other issue that comes across using public art is once 01:03:41.369 --> 01:03:43.880 you've seen it and you see it 01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:46.199 for a couple times, the third time you're not going to slow 01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:46.599 down. 01:03:46.599 --> 01:03:50.039 So you have to constantly be doing something about, you 01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:53.440 know, refreshing it, changing it, 01:03:53.440 --> 01:03:54.920 moving it, something like that. 01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:59.510 So this is still pretty much a starting point or a starting 01:03:59.510 --> 01:04:01.900 idea and we will develop more 01:04:01.900 --> 01:04:03.400 as we move forward. 01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:08.320 Have there been any studies on that to show the... 01:04:08.320 --> 01:04:12.570 There has been one to show the impact and pretty much to 01:04:12.570 --> 01:04:15.400 the face of it, it's inconclusive 01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:18.710 but what they're saying is within the next two, within the 01:04:18.710 --> 01:04:20.360 first two or three weeks, 01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:24.389 the impact or the effect is considerably reduced for 01:04:24.389 --> 01:04:26.320 slowing people down. 01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:27.320 That's what it says. 01:04:27.320 --> 01:04:30.610 There are not that many studies or there are not that many 01:04:30.610 --> 01:04:32.519 locations as it has been really 01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:33.519 helpful. 01:04:33.519 --> 01:04:34.519 Oops. 01:04:34.519 --> 01:04:38.800 And then next steps, this is the last slide. 01:04:38.800 --> 01:04:42.679 We're going to compile this information and the other seven 01:04:42.679 --> 01:04:45.039 that we had, all that information 01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:47.960 into a easy to read format. 01:04:47.960 --> 01:04:52.409 It will work with our public communications office to put 01:04:52.409 --> 01:04:54.880 it online, get into brochures 01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:58.570 and pamphlets and then finally this will be developed into 01:04:58.570 --> 01:05:00.400 a handbook and the handbook 01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:03.630 will get into more details of, okay, what are the design 01:05:03.630 --> 01:05:05.480 specifications, what are the 01:05:05.480 --> 01:05:09.340 engineering behind some of these alternatives and how do we 01:05:09.340 --> 01:05:10.639 implement them? 01:05:10.639 --> 01:05:14.070 And then finally we'll take this handbook once it's done, 01:05:14.070 --> 01:05:15.679 bring to the committee and 01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:20.199 then present it to city council for adoption. 01:05:20.199 --> 01:05:23.199 Those are our next steps. 01:05:23.199 --> 01:05:24.199 Any questions? 01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:25.199 I have one. 01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:26.199 Yes. 01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:31.599 So somebody I know brought up the road next to the North 01:05:31.599 --> 01:05:34.440 Lakes Park and how people go 01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:37.840 fairly fast through there and they had mentioned that there 01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:39.840 's a light, a blinking light that 01:05:39.840 --> 01:05:44.440 you can click on and people can go across there. 01:05:44.440 --> 01:05:47.050 And they think that works and this was, I didn't see this 01:05:47.050 --> 01:05:47.800 mentioned. 01:05:47.800 --> 01:05:51.559 Is that considered a calming device? 01:05:51.559 --> 01:05:57.130 That is more of a pedestrian safety device because you can 01:05:57.130 --> 01:05:58.039 cross. 01:05:58.039 --> 01:06:03.639 Signage and pavement marking is part of traffic calming. 01:06:03.639 --> 01:06:07.489 Those are the really preliminary steps before you even get 01:06:07.489 --> 01:06:09.760 into heavy engineering and putting 01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:12.119 some of these high dollar things. 01:06:12.119 --> 01:06:15.969 The first step is more of educating people and part of that 01:06:15.969 --> 01:06:17.880 process is what kind of signage 01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:21.239 can I install, what kind of pavement markings I can install 01:06:21.239 --> 01:06:21.519 . 01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:24.809 And then, yeah, it is more for the safety of the 01:06:24.809 --> 01:06:26.719 pedestrians crossing. 01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:28.639 Is that why we have the light? 01:06:28.639 --> 01:06:30.639 It's not for slowing vehicles. 01:06:30.639 --> 01:06:31.639 Okay. 01:06:31.639 --> 01:06:32.639 Thank you. 01:06:32.639 --> 01:06:34.639 I wonder, has there been any discussion? 01:06:34.639 --> 01:06:36.840 It seems like some of these would be really good ideas 01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:38.320 right off the square because right 01:06:38.320 --> 01:06:41.679 now our roads just really, you're driving slow on the 01:06:41.679 --> 01:06:42.440 square. 01:06:42.440 --> 01:06:43.440 There's all these things to look at. 01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:45.800 So people go slow and then it just opens up and people gun 01:06:45.800 --> 01:06:47.280 it, especially like I'm thinking 01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:51.000 of on locust when you're going north. 01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:53.420 So I just would see like there even at McKinney would be a 01:06:53.420 --> 01:06:54.920 great spot to like bring out the 01:06:54.920 --> 01:06:59.639 curbs and slow everyone down right in that area. 01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:02.920 Is that TextDot though? 01:07:02.920 --> 01:07:07.400 Both those, Locust and Elm are TextDot facilities. 01:07:07.400 --> 01:07:11.460 And we are in the process of taking that over as a city 01:07:11.460 --> 01:07:12.360 street. 01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:13.360 Awesome. 01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:20.079 So TextDot has alluded that they want to get rid of that. 01:07:20.079 --> 01:07:23.760 So part of those two streets, we're going to look at how do 01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:25.559 we make them more complete 01:07:25.559 --> 01:07:29.929 streets as opposed to just highways or free, which was they 01:07:29.929 --> 01:07:31.760 intended to use back in the 01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:35.610 day was it was more of a highway which went through the 01:07:35.610 --> 01:07:36.079 city. 01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:39.469 Now it's more of a complete street where how do we move 01:07:39.469 --> 01:07:40.280 people? 01:07:40.280 --> 01:07:42.639 How do we make it pedestrian and bike friendly? 01:07:42.639 --> 01:07:45.500 So we're going to definitely look at the Mew Street, but 01:07:45.500 --> 01:07:47.199 yes, you can definitely extend 01:07:47.199 --> 01:07:51.800 it not only north side, even on the south side as some of 01:07:51.800 --> 01:07:54.280 the properties develop, we 01:07:54.280 --> 01:07:55.960 can definitely put it in. 01:07:55.960 --> 01:07:57.320 There's so much room there. 01:07:57.320 --> 01:07:59.119 There's we can put everything there. 01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:02.719 Park cars on both sides, two bike lanes. 01:08:02.719 --> 01:08:05.679 There's so much space though on Locust. 01:08:05.679 --> 01:08:11.300 Is there a timeline for City of Denton taking over the Text 01:08:11.300 --> 01:08:11.960 Dot? 01:08:11.960 --> 01:08:16.930 Yeah, I think we're going out to bid pretty soon for the 01:08:16.930 --> 01:08:20.960 for the utility relocation portion. 01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:24.409 And then right after that will come a complete street rehab 01:08:24.409 --> 01:08:26.279 by TextDot and then we'll take 01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:27.279 it over. 01:08:27.279 --> 01:08:30.279 We'll get it fixed and then take it over. 01:08:30.279 --> 01:08:31.279 Oh, that'll be nice. 01:08:31.279 --> 01:08:32.279 Okay. 01:08:32.279 --> 01:08:34.119 So what happens then after we have this handbook? 01:08:34.119 --> 01:08:38.800 Will the city be reaching out to the neighborhoods or will 01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:41.640 the neighborhoods need to know to 01:08:41.640 --> 01:08:43.560 come to the city? 01:08:43.560 --> 01:08:50.479 And then who funds this potential hardscaping and? 01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:52.000 So that's a good point. 01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:56.960 I think we're taking smaller steps at this point. 01:08:56.960 --> 01:09:00.960 Once the handbook is set, once we have a process set, then 01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:03.720 we'll also establish how do we accept 01:09:03.720 --> 01:09:05.960 these some of these concerns? 01:09:05.960 --> 01:09:08.239 How do we analyze and process them? 01:09:08.239 --> 01:09:10.739 Once everything is done and we know for sure that we're 01:09:10.739 --> 01:09:12.279 going with this one particular 01:09:12.279 --> 01:09:18.939 improvement, on a temporary basis, we're going to acquire 01:09:18.939 --> 01:09:22.319 some of the removable curbs, the 01:09:22.319 --> 01:09:25.000 rubberized curbs that can be bolt down. 01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:29.600 Those are really comparatively very cheap, don't need a lot 01:09:29.600 --> 01:09:31.600 of engineering and we can 01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:34.439 start implementing some of those. 01:09:34.439 --> 01:09:40.199 And as more and more neighborhoods or other streets come on 01:09:40.199 --> 01:09:43.119 board, we can either, when 01:09:43.119 --> 01:09:46.199 we're evaluating the effectiveness, if say six months down 01:09:46.199 --> 01:09:48.000 the line, they're really effective 01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:50.989 and now we want to go in a permanent phase, then we go to 01:09:50.989 --> 01:09:52.760 council for funding to put in 01:09:52.760 --> 01:09:54.960 something permanent. 01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:57.819 If you feel that, yeah, it has achieved what it was 01:09:57.819 --> 01:09:59.880 supposed to, we can remove that use 01:09:59.880 --> 01:10:00.880 in some other place. 01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:04.220 We are getting at least two or three different sets of 01:10:04.220 --> 01:10:06.359 things that we can implement on a 01:10:06.359 --> 01:10:09.159 temporary basis and start evaluating. 01:10:09.159 --> 01:10:13.079 So that's our first step. 01:10:13.079 --> 01:10:15.119 How do we do traffic calming currently? 01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:16.119 Currently? 01:10:16.119 --> 01:10:23.479 Is it similar to that or you just put it to pen? 01:10:23.479 --> 01:10:26.680 We don't have this in place yet, the process. 01:10:26.680 --> 01:10:30.079 So we are trying to get everything lined up. 01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:32.989 We're in the first two phases where we do a lot of 01:10:32.989 --> 01:10:35.439 education and enforcement and we are 01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:39.300 trying to get on the engineering side what can we do and 01:10:39.300 --> 01:10:41.840 how we can get everything addressed 01:10:41.840 --> 01:10:42.840 through engineering. 01:10:42.840 --> 01:10:47.210 So this is a new start for us and I think Patrice can 01:10:47.210 --> 01:10:49.920 mention that, but this is a new 01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:52.920 start and we're excited. 01:10:52.920 --> 01:10:58.199 All right, anybody else have any questions, comments? 01:10:58.199 --> 01:11:04.079 All right, excited to watch this move forward. 01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:07.079 We're excited for you. 01:11:07.079 --> 01:11:13.329 All right, that is going to bring us to item 1E, which is T 01:11:13.329 --> 01:11:17.920 SC 18-040, which is to receive 01:11:17.920 --> 01:11:21.770 a report, hold discussion regarding University of North 01:11:21.770 --> 01:11:24.159 Texas joint traffic study for proposed 01:11:24.159 --> 01:11:29.159 street closures within and around UNT campus. 01:11:29.159 --> 01:11:32.520 All right, next presentation. 01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:38.800 Okay, so this is a traffic study. 01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:42.000 Let me get back up a little bit. 01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:46.420 City of Denton staff started coordinating with UNT staff 01:11:46.420 --> 01:11:48.720 about a year, year and a half 01:11:48.720 --> 01:11:52.640 last May when we kicked off some of the meetings. 01:11:52.640 --> 01:11:57.720 And in that coordination effort, UNT had brought up some of 01:11:57.720 --> 01:12:00.479 their dream ideas, projects and 01:12:00.479 --> 01:12:02.239 stuff like that. 01:12:02.239 --> 01:12:06.399 UNT went through a big update in their master plan. 01:12:06.399 --> 01:12:10.510 They already have a campus master plan and then they also 01:12:10.510 --> 01:12:12.680 had a transportation master 01:12:12.680 --> 01:12:14.140 plan. 01:12:14.140 --> 01:12:17.430 Based on what was included in the transportation master 01:12:17.430 --> 01:12:19.659 plan, they wanted to look at options 01:12:19.659 --> 01:12:22.420 of how can we shut down some of the streets that go through 01:12:22.420 --> 01:12:23.199 the campus. 01:12:23.199 --> 01:12:28.250 And the two that were really identified and focused on were 01:12:28.250 --> 01:12:30.600 Avenue C between Eagle and 01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:38.569 Hickory, and then Highland between, I forget the limits, 01:12:38.569 --> 01:12:42.720 but Highland between Welch and 01:12:42.720 --> 01:12:47.279 I would say Avenue C, Welch and Avenue C. Those streets 01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:48.720 were identified. 01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:54.619 So we started talking as to what's the process, how do we 01:12:54.619 --> 01:12:58.000 make sure that we get there or at 01:12:58.000 --> 01:13:02.390 least understand what the implications would be to closing 01:13:02.390 --> 01:13:04.300 some of these streets. 01:13:04.300 --> 01:13:09.869 So we embarked on a joint study and looked at what are the 01:13:09.869 --> 01:13:11.079 impacts. 01:13:11.079 --> 01:13:13.960 Short term, immediately what happens. 01:13:13.960 --> 01:13:17.979 In long term, when most of the city would be built out and 01:13:17.979 --> 01:13:19.960 there's a lot more traffic 01:13:19.960 --> 01:13:24.460 in the area and the campus itself grows, what happens? 01:13:24.460 --> 01:13:28.319 So we looked at all those different scenarios and we 01:13:28.319 --> 01:13:31.439 identified what the impacts were, where 01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:35.439 they were, what the improvements are needed as part of this 01:13:35.439 --> 01:13:36.119 study. 01:13:36.119 --> 01:13:39.270 And then now the next step, I think we're wrapping up the 01:13:39.270 --> 01:13:40.680 study at this point. 01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:44.920 I want to go over how we did the study and what was ent 01:13:44.920 --> 01:13:45.840 ailed. 01:13:45.840 --> 01:13:50.039 And now we're at a point where once we've identified, then 01:13:50.039 --> 01:13:51.800 we go to the next step, identify 01:13:51.800 --> 01:13:52.800 funding. 01:13:52.800 --> 01:13:55.920 Who's going to fund what and the phasing. 01:13:55.920 --> 01:13:59.220 When do we really need some of these improvements to be in 01:13:59.220 --> 01:13:59.840 place? 01:13:59.840 --> 01:14:03.789 So an overview, what was the purpose of the project, the 01:14:03.789 --> 01:14:06.119 methodology that we followed, 01:14:06.119 --> 01:14:11.140 the actual analysis, what were the impacts, mitigations, 01:14:11.140 --> 01:14:13.239 and then the schedule. 01:14:13.239 --> 01:14:19.710 So the purpose of the project, as I mentioned, there was a 01:14:19.710 --> 01:14:21.840 campus master plan, UNT parking 01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:25.479 and transportation master plan. 01:14:25.479 --> 01:14:29.850 So we met with the UNT staff and we wanted to see how we 01:14:29.850 --> 01:14:32.279 could align their master plan 01:14:32.279 --> 01:14:36.000 with our future infrastructure needs. 01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:39.130 So what we did is we determined traffic condition on 01:14:39.130 --> 01:14:42.239 thoroughfare surrounding a campus, evaluated 01:14:42.239 --> 01:14:46.439 existing and future 2040 conditions, looked at feasibility 01:14:46.439 --> 01:14:48.159 of closing those two streets 01:14:48.159 --> 01:14:52.930 that I mentioned, and then what is needed for improving the 01:14:52.930 --> 01:14:55.119 public infrastructure in 01:14:55.119 --> 01:14:59.239 that area as a result of those closures. 01:14:59.239 --> 01:15:01.800 Project methodology, data collection is obviously the first 01:15:01.800 --> 01:15:02.199 step. 01:15:02.199 --> 01:15:06.710 We collected data at 50 intersections within and outside 01:15:06.710 --> 01:15:07.800 the campus. 01:15:07.800 --> 01:15:11.199 I'll pull up the actual map in a little bit. 01:15:11.199 --> 01:15:15.289 We looked at not only vehicles, but pedestrians and 01:15:15.289 --> 01:15:16.359 bicycles. 01:15:16.359 --> 01:15:20.729 And then we looked at 31 segments along the street, street 01:15:20.729 --> 01:15:21.600 segments. 01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:24.720 I think the map shows in the next slide. 01:15:24.720 --> 01:15:26.760 We did some traffic forecasting. 01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:31.600 What would happen by 2040 and what type of network we need, 01:15:31.600 --> 01:15:33.720 what type of transportation 01:15:33.720 --> 01:15:37.239 circulation demand do we have in this area. 01:15:37.239 --> 01:15:43.289 So we looked at existing 2017, no-build 2040, and then what 01:15:43.289 --> 01:15:46.560 happens if we close it in 2040. 01:15:46.560 --> 01:15:50.409 And then obviously I did the analysis, identified impacts 01:15:50.409 --> 01:15:52.159 and mitigation measures. 01:15:52.159 --> 01:15:54.479 So this is the project boundaries. 01:15:54.479 --> 01:15:56.560 These are the project boundaries. 01:15:56.560 --> 01:15:59.960 As some of you may recognize, these are the same boundaries 01:15:59.960 --> 01:16:01.720 for the Oak Gateway Small 01:16:01.720 --> 01:16:03.760 Area Plan. 01:16:03.760 --> 01:16:07.039 And this is sort of a joint effort. 01:16:07.039 --> 01:16:11.420 We are looking at traffic conditions while implementing the 01:16:11.420 --> 01:16:12.840 UNT master plan. 01:16:12.840 --> 01:16:16.989 And then this is going to help make some of the decisions 01:16:16.989 --> 01:16:19.600 for the Gateway Specific Plan. 01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:26.229 So here are the 50 or so intersections starting one all the 01:16:26.229 --> 01:16:28.640 way to 50 here. 01:16:28.640 --> 01:16:32.560 These intersections we looked at daily volume and decided 01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:34.920 that there's not that much traffic 01:16:34.920 --> 01:16:37.670 all the way going to Panhandle at some of these 01:16:37.670 --> 01:16:38.920 intersections. 01:16:38.920 --> 01:16:42.770 So they were not really considered part of this analysis 01:16:42.770 --> 01:16:44.520 because if you close Avenue 01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:48.369 C and Highland in this area, the impacts were not getting 01:16:48.369 --> 01:16:49.840 translated up here. 01:16:49.840 --> 01:16:53.920 So existing volume, these are the volumes we have. 01:16:53.920 --> 01:16:58.420 Some of them really high volume streets as Carol is close 01:16:58.420 --> 01:17:03.399 to 32,000, 33,000 daily trips. 01:17:03.399 --> 01:17:07.539 Bonnie Bray on the other side is close to 15,000 daily 01:17:07.539 --> 01:17:10.199 trips, 16 here, 14 something 01:17:10.199 --> 01:17:11.199 here. 01:17:11.199 --> 01:17:15.640 The axis is about 10,000 and then the real ones that you 01:17:15.640 --> 01:17:17.439 want to focus on are Avenue 01:17:17.439 --> 01:17:20.680 C, it has about 6,000 daily trips. 01:17:20.680 --> 01:17:24.529 Obviously when you shut this down, these trips are going to 01:17:24.529 --> 01:17:26.859 be displaced onto parallel streets. 01:17:26.859 --> 01:17:32.039 So that's one and then Highland is about 3,300 daily trips. 01:17:32.039 --> 01:17:34.880 So this is the existing conditions. 01:17:34.880 --> 01:17:39.050 The next step was looking at what is happening at the 01:17:39.050 --> 01:17:40.680 intersections. 01:17:40.680 --> 01:17:45.989 Usually as you may know if you travel this area on a daily 01:17:45.989 --> 01:17:47.520 basis, yes. 01:17:47.520 --> 01:17:49.399 Can you go back to the last slide? 01:17:49.399 --> 01:17:50.399 Yes. 01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:54.199 What are you getting on Stella? 01:17:54.199 --> 01:17:59.170 Stella is not, we did not count the ADTs on Stella as part 01:17:59.170 --> 01:18:00.680 of this study. 01:18:00.680 --> 01:18:06.250 But yeah, we don't have data on Stella at which 01:18:06.250 --> 01:18:10.800 intersection are you talking about, 01:18:10.800 --> 01:18:11.800 North Texas? 01:18:11.800 --> 01:18:14.159 Yeah, between North Texas and Bonnie Bray. 01:18:14.159 --> 01:18:18.270 Yeah we did not really collect data on Stella as part of 01:18:18.270 --> 01:18:19.000 this. 01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:21.920 The reason being I think Avenue C closure was impacting 01:18:21.920 --> 01:18:23.640 Bonnie Bray, not necessarily 01:18:23.640 --> 01:18:25.399 east-west traffic on Stella. 01:18:25.399 --> 01:18:29.770 So that was part of the assessment that our consultant made 01:18:29.770 --> 01:18:30.039 . 01:18:30.039 --> 01:18:33.119 There were some boundaries that they had to set and we 01:18:33.119 --> 01:18:35.199 could collect information on each 01:18:35.199 --> 01:18:40.239 and every street. 01:18:40.239 --> 01:18:44.100 But as part of the Bonnie Bray project, we are looking at 01:18:44.100 --> 01:18:45.960 every opening intersection 01:18:45.960 --> 01:18:46.960 on Bonnie Bray. 01:18:46.960 --> 01:18:50.039 So I can get you the data as part of that study. 01:18:50.039 --> 01:18:51.680 If you're just looking for existing volume. 01:18:51.680 --> 01:18:52.680 Just finish Hickory. 01:18:52.680 --> 01:18:55.680 Small thing, just finish Hickory. 01:18:55.680 --> 01:18:59.720 We're getting there. 01:18:59.720 --> 01:19:04.229 I'm looking at, when I'm looking at existing traffic volume 01:19:04.229 --> 01:19:06.159 , did you look at the North 01:19:06.159 --> 01:19:09.550 Texas plan for Light the Tower that they released this 01:19:09.550 --> 01:19:11.279 morning at 5 o'clock? 01:19:11.279 --> 01:19:13.960 I did not look at that. 01:19:13.960 --> 01:19:17.600 The build out for right across the highway. 01:19:17.600 --> 01:19:20.779 They're putting in, planning a baseball diamond indoor 01:19:20.779 --> 01:19:21.439 tennis. 01:19:21.439 --> 01:19:22.439 Yeah. 01:19:22.439 --> 01:19:23.439 Yes. 01:19:23.439 --> 01:19:27.840 And I'm looking at the little tiny roads over there. 01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:30.680 So we are looking at that. 01:19:30.680 --> 01:19:35.430 In our last UNT coordination meeting, they did release some 01:19:35.430 --> 01:19:37.680 of the information that was 01:19:37.680 --> 01:19:38.880 not public back then. 01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:41.840 It's now public. 01:19:41.840 --> 01:19:45.300 And we do have some ideas of how to deal with some of that 01:19:45.300 --> 01:19:46.439 and options. 01:19:46.439 --> 01:19:49.000 And we've started discussing those. 01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:50.000 What are the major streets? 01:19:50.000 --> 01:19:53.859 How they can come in and tie in and keep the traffic off of 01:19:53.859 --> 01:19:56.199 some of these smaller streets. 01:19:56.199 --> 01:20:02.310 So yeah, definitely Bonnie Bray in this area will soon be 01:20:02.310 --> 01:20:05.000 under construction. 01:20:05.000 --> 01:20:07.819 Impacts obviously, all the big intersection. 01:20:07.819 --> 01:20:11.479 Anything red, I like the red, green and yellow. 01:20:11.479 --> 01:20:17.880 Anything red has a delay of 55 seconds or more. 01:20:17.880 --> 01:20:20.750 If you approach that intersection, you're on an average 01:20:20.750 --> 01:20:22.479 sitting there for 55 seconds 01:20:22.479 --> 01:20:24.720 or more today. 01:20:24.720 --> 01:20:28.319 For example, if you're at Collins Street at Carroll, on 01:20:28.319 --> 01:20:30.439 both approaches you're sitting 01:20:30.439 --> 01:20:33.319 there on an average for 55 seconds. 01:20:33.319 --> 01:20:40.100 Similarly, at the intersection of Welch and Oak, this Welch 01:20:40.100 --> 01:20:43.039 approach is impacted with 01:20:43.039 --> 01:20:44.819 considerable delays. 01:20:44.819 --> 01:20:48.600 So these are the intersections that are impacted. 01:20:48.600 --> 01:20:51.949 Yellows are your at C and D level of service, which means 01:20:51.949 --> 01:20:54.500 you're anywhere between 20 seconds 01:20:54.500 --> 01:20:57.960 and 55 seconds at that intersection. 01:20:57.960 --> 01:21:02.090 And then A and B is less than 20 seconds average delay at 01:21:02.090 --> 01:21:03.439 intersection. 01:21:03.439 --> 01:21:07.239 So this is how the picture looks today. 01:21:07.239 --> 01:21:10.800 These are existing conditions, existing counts. 01:21:10.800 --> 01:21:15.189 What happens in 2025 if you go back and all the-- some of 01:21:15.189 --> 01:21:17.319 these yellows start turning 01:21:17.319 --> 01:21:20.920 red because of the growth in traffic. 01:21:20.920 --> 01:21:25.329 So North Texas intersections and then Bonnie Bray, Oak at 01:21:25.329 --> 01:21:27.800 North Texas, all of these start 01:21:27.800 --> 01:21:31.520 turning red. 01:21:31.520 --> 01:21:36.300 Some of the green ones start turning yellow in this area. 01:21:36.300 --> 01:21:40.260 So because of just the growth, you see that the impacts on 01:21:40.260 --> 01:21:42.359 these intersections, if we 01:21:42.359 --> 01:21:45.890 don't do anything today or if we don't have a plan, then 01:21:45.890 --> 01:21:48.720 this is what's going to happen. 01:21:48.720 --> 01:21:51.560 By 2040, a lot more red, a lot more yellow. 01:21:51.560 --> 01:21:55.359 So we're talking about congestion, delays. 01:21:55.359 --> 01:21:58.680 So that's the reason we conducted this study. 01:21:58.680 --> 01:22:00.399 How are we going to fix this? 01:22:00.399 --> 01:22:03.119 Fixing this is our ultimate goal. 01:22:03.119 --> 01:22:05.810 Majority of the times, intersections are choke points where 01:22:05.810 --> 01:22:07.159 you are traveling around the 01:22:07.159 --> 01:22:10.140 corridor, you arrive at the intersection and then you're 01:22:10.140 --> 01:22:11.760 stuck waiting for traffic and 01:22:11.760 --> 01:22:13.319 then traffic starts backing up. 01:22:13.319 --> 01:22:17.170 So that's why intersection is our major focus and delay at 01:22:17.170 --> 01:22:18.920 the intersection is the main 01:22:18.920 --> 01:22:20.880 concern. 01:22:20.880 --> 01:22:24.729 So these are the three scenarios we looked at and I know in 01:22:24.729 --> 01:22:26.760 the packet, I think they're 01:22:26.760 --> 01:22:31.199 really small but this one is the first scenario, Avenue C 01:22:31.199 --> 01:22:35.380 which carries about 6,000 daily trips. 01:22:35.380 --> 01:22:38.600 If we just close down Avenue C, it's going to impact 30 01:22:38.600 --> 01:22:39.760 intersections. 01:22:39.760 --> 01:22:44.239 30 out of the 50 that we looked at will be impacted. 01:22:44.239 --> 01:22:47.479 And then five roadway segments will have increased volumes. 01:22:47.479 --> 01:22:50.979 So these are the five roadway segments, obviously Oak and H 01:22:50.979 --> 01:22:53.000 ickory on the north, Eagle Drive 01:22:53.000 --> 01:22:56.479 on the south and then North Texas and Welch on the east and 01:22:56.479 --> 01:22:57.079 west. 01:22:57.079 --> 01:23:02.279 So these are the impacts associated with this closure. 01:23:02.279 --> 01:23:06.359 Scenario two, if you just shut down Highland Street between 01:23:06.359 --> 01:23:08.199 Avenue C and I think this is 01:23:08.199 --> 01:23:14.670 Avenue A, then the impact, you're going to reroute a little 01:23:14.670 --> 01:23:18.600 over 3,000 daily trips. 01:23:18.600 --> 01:23:21.939 That will impact 37 intersections out of the 50 that we 01:23:21.939 --> 01:23:23.720 looked at and then four roadways 01:23:23.720 --> 01:23:25.800 all next to Highland. 01:23:25.800 --> 01:23:30.989 It's going to impact Maple, Eagle, Welch and North Texas on 01:23:30.989 --> 01:23:32.439 either side. 01:23:32.439 --> 01:23:37.270 Oak closed together, we're talking about rerouting 10,000 01:23:37.270 --> 01:23:40.159 daily trips, 40 intersections out of 01:23:40.159 --> 01:23:44.229 the 50 are impacted and then six roadways in and around 01:23:44.229 --> 01:23:45.199 this area. 01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:48.239 All of them pretty much covered by these two scenarios. 01:23:48.239 --> 01:23:52.840 So these are the scenarios that we looked at. 01:23:52.840 --> 01:23:55.000 Obviously we went with the worst case scenario which was 01:23:55.000 --> 01:23:55.800 scenario three. 01:23:55.800 --> 01:23:59.829 What happens if they really decide to follow their master 01:23:59.829 --> 01:24:01.920 plan and then move ahead with 01:24:01.920 --> 01:24:03.039 closing this? 01:24:03.039 --> 01:24:04.039 What are the impacts? 01:24:04.039 --> 01:24:09.439 I have a question about scenario three, the 9,000 plus 01:24:09.439 --> 01:24:12.359 existing daily trips rerouted. 01:24:12.359 --> 01:24:17.670 But mathematically that wouldn't be 9,000 people inconven 01:24:17.670 --> 01:24:19.880 ienced because let's say you 01:24:19.880 --> 01:24:23.760 have got one person who wants to drive down both Highland 01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:25.560 and Avenue C. So I think that 01:24:25.560 --> 01:24:29.930 number, when we put that number out there, I think it might 01:24:29.930 --> 01:24:31.640 be a little shocking. 01:24:31.640 --> 01:24:37.289 But if people think that through, it's not like 6,000 more 01:24:37.289 --> 01:24:40.600 people are going to be inconvenienced 01:24:40.600 --> 01:24:41.600 daily. 01:24:41.600 --> 01:24:45.220 It's fewer than that because many of those people would be 01:24:45.220 --> 01:24:46.920 traveling both routes. 01:24:46.920 --> 01:24:47.920 Correct. 01:24:47.920 --> 01:24:51.250 So we are presenting absolute worst case if everyone is 01:24:51.250 --> 01:24:53.279 independent of each other which 01:24:53.279 --> 01:24:57.399 may happen one of the days, once in a blue moon. 01:24:57.399 --> 01:24:59.359 But yes, you're right. 01:24:59.359 --> 01:25:01.979 A lot of people that are traveling on Avenue C may turn on 01:25:01.979 --> 01:25:03.680 Highland and then continue going 01:25:03.680 --> 01:25:04.680 east. 01:25:04.680 --> 01:25:05.960 And that's a possibility. 01:25:05.960 --> 01:25:11.130 So while looking at the impacts, we're definitely focusing 01:25:11.130 --> 01:25:13.760 on the worst case scenario. 01:25:13.760 --> 01:25:17.229 These are the intersections that were impacted and required 01:25:17.229 --> 01:25:18.239 mitigations. 01:25:18.239 --> 01:25:22.609 They're spread out and these are major intersections along 01:25:22.609 --> 01:25:25.479 Bonnie Bray, North Texas as suspected 01:25:25.479 --> 01:25:27.680 along Welch. 01:25:27.680 --> 01:25:30.850 I think Malone and Scripture, a lot of folks can relate to 01:25:30.850 --> 01:25:31.560 that one. 01:25:31.560 --> 01:25:33.760 That one's an always stop. 01:25:33.760 --> 01:25:38.159 So what would be the cost estimate to fix some of these 01:25:38.159 --> 01:25:39.840 intersections? 01:25:39.840 --> 01:25:42.520 And it's broken down into two aspects. 01:25:42.520 --> 01:25:47.199 One is due to the closure, which means purely shutting down 01:25:47.199 --> 01:25:48.680 those streets. 01:25:48.680 --> 01:25:53.420 What are the impacts versus other impacts meaning impacts 01:25:53.420 --> 01:25:56.359 related to the growth of traffic. 01:25:56.359 --> 01:25:59.960 Now growth of traffic is not necessarily completely based 01:25:59.960 --> 01:26:01.119 on UNTs growth. 01:26:01.119 --> 01:26:05.590 It is also based on the whole area growing and some of the 01:26:05.590 --> 01:26:08.560 through traffic, say for example 01:26:08.560 --> 01:26:13.619 along Bonnie Bray or Carroll, that will play a big part 01:26:13.619 --> 01:26:14.680 into it. 01:26:14.680 --> 01:26:19.989 So the cost for fixing impacts due to the closure is 01:26:19.989 --> 01:26:21.920 separated out. 01:26:21.920 --> 01:26:24.779 For example, if we go with, this should be scenario three, 01:26:24.779 --> 01:26:25.479 apologize. 01:26:25.479 --> 01:26:30.789 But if we go with this cost, 117,000 is strictly due to the 01:26:30.789 --> 01:26:33.239 closure, but the overall needs 01:26:33.239 --> 01:26:35.199 are 2.6. 01:26:35.199 --> 01:26:38.460 So that's where the city has to do a better plan or put a 01:26:38.460 --> 01:26:40.159 plan together to how do you 01:26:40.159 --> 01:26:42.479 address these impacts? 01:26:42.479 --> 01:26:44.199 When do you need to address them? 01:26:44.199 --> 01:26:48.000 What is the phasing for putting some of these improvements? 01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:49.000 It's a big number. 01:26:49.000 --> 01:26:50.880 So we need to plan it better. 01:26:50.880 --> 01:26:54.640 We need to focus our attention. 01:26:54.640 --> 01:26:57.829 On the city side, we've already started looking at Bonnie 01:26:57.829 --> 01:26:59.760 Bray corridor and how can we fix 01:26:59.760 --> 01:27:01.279 Bonnie Bray. 01:27:01.279 --> 01:27:05.680 We're also looking at this Welch. 01:27:05.680 --> 01:27:10.800 How can we better fix it, make it more conducive to bicycle 01:27:10.800 --> 01:27:13.279 pedestrian facilities? 01:27:13.279 --> 01:27:17.359 So we are working towards, yes sir. 01:27:17.359 --> 01:27:22.479 I don't see you factoring the extension of Panhandle over 01:27:22.479 --> 01:27:24.600 to the service road. 01:27:24.600 --> 01:27:28.689 Yes so as part of the traffic model that was looked at, it 01:27:28.689 --> 01:27:30.840 's not shown in the map, but 01:27:30.840 --> 01:27:34.100 the traffic model did consider the circulation associated 01:27:34.100 --> 01:27:36.199 with that and that connection moving 01:27:36.199 --> 01:27:37.199 forward. 01:27:37.199 --> 01:27:41.050 So when this growth was calculated, we have a traffic model 01:27:41.050 --> 01:27:43.039 that looks at a future network. 01:27:43.039 --> 01:27:45.039 What are the possible streets that will come in? 01:27:45.039 --> 01:27:47.760 And yes, this is inbuilt in our master plan. 01:27:47.760 --> 01:27:49.520 So it is included in the model. 01:27:49.520 --> 01:27:51.319 It's just not in the map. 01:27:51.319 --> 01:27:54.520 Is it possible that over time? 01:27:54.520 --> 01:27:58.159 There might be an option for? 01:27:58.159 --> 01:27:59.159 Option for. 01:27:59.159 --> 01:28:03.010 At this time, UNT says that this is their master plan, that 01:28:03.010 --> 01:28:04.520 they only want to go with 01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:07.600 the closure of those two streets. 01:28:07.600 --> 01:28:10.640 At this point, they don't have any more options in there. 01:28:10.640 --> 01:28:13.939 And how are the costs split between the two? 01:28:13.939 --> 01:28:17.380 So the cost is split between the two based on if you just 01:28:17.380 --> 01:28:19.159 close the street and there 01:28:19.159 --> 01:28:23.760 is no growth in the area, then this is what UNT closures 01:28:23.760 --> 01:28:26.520 would require to fix, all these 01:28:26.520 --> 01:28:27.520 intersections. 01:28:27.520 --> 01:28:30.079 So that's the cost that was calculated. 01:28:30.079 --> 01:28:33.449 If the cost implications associated with the growth are 01:28:33.449 --> 01:28:35.399 much higher and we're planning 01:28:35.399 --> 01:28:37.840 some of it upfront. 01:28:37.840 --> 01:28:39.960 Yes. 01:28:39.960 --> 01:28:49.409 Stay close to Avenue C at Mulberry this weekend, to Hickory 01:28:49.409 --> 01:28:49.840 . 01:28:49.840 --> 01:28:54.800 I mean to Avenue C at Mulberry all the way to Hickory. 01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:57.640 Avenue C between Mulberry and Hickory? 01:28:57.640 --> 01:28:58.640 Yeah. 01:28:58.640 --> 01:28:59.640 Okay. 01:28:59.640 --> 01:29:01.359 Can you repeat the question? 01:29:01.359 --> 01:29:03.760 I'm sorry. 01:29:03.760 --> 01:29:05.359 Can you repeat the question? 01:29:05.359 --> 01:29:06.359 What related to that? 01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:10.760 I was driving it this weekend for the game and when I go 01:29:10.760 --> 01:29:13.640 past the environmental services 01:29:13.640 --> 01:29:17.819 on Mulberry, you look to your left and the whole street's 01:29:17.819 --> 01:29:19.920 closed at Avenue C and it's 01:29:19.920 --> 01:29:22.119 closed to Mulberry. 01:29:22.119 --> 01:29:26.439 So I guess they're already starting or something else. 01:29:26.439 --> 01:29:27.880 No, it is something. 01:29:27.880 --> 01:29:31.479 It's probably a utility or street or drainage project or 01:29:31.479 --> 01:29:33.600 some of the closure associated 01:29:33.600 --> 01:29:36.479 with buildings around UNT. 01:29:36.479 --> 01:29:38.000 It's not related to anything. 01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:39.000 Oh, okay. 01:29:39.000 --> 01:29:41.039 This is, yeah, we're still further away. 01:29:41.039 --> 01:29:43.840 We're far from getting there. 01:29:43.840 --> 01:29:47.039 I think the next discussion that the city's going to 01:29:47.039 --> 01:29:49.279 probably have on these closures is 01:29:49.279 --> 01:29:50.680 what do we do with the utilities? 01:29:50.680 --> 01:29:51.680 What type of easements? 01:29:51.680 --> 01:29:54.119 What kind of access we have to the utilities that are 01:29:54.119 --> 01:29:55.840 currently under these streets? 01:29:55.840 --> 01:29:59.800 So that's the next discussion and then it's a process. 01:29:59.800 --> 01:30:01.399 We'll slowly get there. 01:30:01.399 --> 01:30:03.960 Yeah, so it said interested in closing. 01:30:03.960 --> 01:30:07.039 So is the thing is you'd like to get there but you're 01:30:07.039 --> 01:30:09.119 trying to figure out is this even 01:30:09.119 --> 01:30:10.119 possible? 01:30:10.119 --> 01:30:12.800 What happens if X, Y, and Z happens? 01:30:12.800 --> 01:30:14.600 Is there going to be too traffic and it just can't, too 01:30:14.600 --> 01:30:15.640 much traffic and it just can't 01:30:15.640 --> 01:30:16.640 happen? 01:30:16.640 --> 01:30:17.640 Is that where we're at? 01:30:17.640 --> 01:30:18.640 Correct. 01:30:18.640 --> 01:30:20.039 So this is a feasibility sort of study. 01:30:20.039 --> 01:30:23.890 Even if it's, we wanted to find out if it was feasible and 01:30:23.890 --> 01:30:25.640 now that we think, yeah, these 01:30:25.640 --> 01:30:29.869 costs don't look super high, it is a possibility then we go 01:30:29.869 --> 01:30:32.319 on to the next level, which is, 01:30:32.319 --> 01:30:36.479 okay, what are the things that are necessary and how do we 01:30:36.479 --> 01:30:37.319 fund it? 01:30:37.319 --> 01:30:38.319 In what fashion? 01:30:38.319 --> 01:30:40.159 How do we phase them? 01:30:40.159 --> 01:30:44.079 What year certain improvements go in? 01:30:44.079 --> 01:30:45.800 All that plan has to be put in place. 01:30:45.800 --> 01:30:47.119 So we're pretty much planning. 01:30:47.119 --> 01:30:50.159 We're in the first step of planning. 01:30:50.159 --> 01:30:55.470 So why do they want to close some of these particular 01:30:55.470 --> 01:30:56.640 streets? 01:30:56.640 --> 01:30:58.600 They just don't want traffic in there at all? 01:30:58.600 --> 01:31:02.079 They don't want the students have to deal with traffic? 01:31:02.079 --> 01:31:03.079 Yes. 01:31:03.079 --> 01:31:08.649 Ideally, their main master plan calls for this to be 01:31:08.649 --> 01:31:12.520 pedestrian walkways or pedestrian 01:31:12.520 --> 01:31:16.069 mall areas, if you may, where kids can or students can 01:31:16.069 --> 01:31:18.239 actually walk on the street and 01:31:18.239 --> 01:31:21.479 they're completely shut down to traffic. 01:31:21.479 --> 01:31:25.479 So that's what they want to create is more of a pedestrian 01:31:25.479 --> 01:31:27.199 campus experience. 01:31:27.199 --> 01:31:28.880 One more question. 01:31:28.880 --> 01:31:31.760 Do you know, have they talked to the students about this? 01:31:31.760 --> 01:31:34.039 I mean, has the student senate been approached? 01:31:34.039 --> 01:31:37.039 Do they have they taken it or is this the university like 01:31:37.039 --> 01:31:38.359 this is what we want? 01:31:38.359 --> 01:31:42.210 So as part of the transportation master plan and it's I 01:31:42.210 --> 01:31:44.399 think available online, there were 01:31:44.399 --> 01:31:47.729 extensive student surveys that they had conducted and based 01:31:47.729 --> 01:31:49.720 on that, this is the plan that they 01:31:49.720 --> 01:31:52.680 came up with. 01:31:52.680 --> 01:31:56.539 How would emergency vehicles be accessing kind of the inner 01:31:56.539 --> 01:31:57.079 campus? 01:31:57.079 --> 01:31:59.949 So yes, so that's part of our discussion that we're going 01:31:59.949 --> 01:32:00.520 to have. 01:32:00.520 --> 01:32:03.439 Do they completely shut down with blocking everything? 01:32:03.439 --> 01:32:05.220 Would there be gates? 01:32:05.220 --> 01:32:07.600 Would there be any emergency access provided? 01:32:07.600 --> 01:32:10.289 That's part of the bigger discussion that we're going to 01:32:10.289 --> 01:32:10.760 have. 01:32:10.760 --> 01:32:13.329 And if they're going to completely shut down, what are the 01:32:13.329 --> 01:32:14.520 cross street access that they 01:32:14.520 --> 01:32:15.520 can provide? 01:32:15.520 --> 01:32:17.720 So we're not there yet. 01:32:17.720 --> 01:32:19.439 We'll still try to figure out. 01:32:19.439 --> 01:32:22.800 The second one would be what about handicap access to the 01:32:22.800 --> 01:32:23.520 center? 01:32:23.520 --> 01:32:27.380 Because you're moving some streets and some parking further 01:32:27.380 --> 01:32:28.720 out and it's going to make 01:32:28.720 --> 01:32:32.720 it more difficult for some handicap access like a lot of 01:32:32.720 --> 01:32:35.319 programs at the music building. 01:32:35.319 --> 01:32:37.920 Yes now that's a good question. 01:32:37.920 --> 01:32:40.689 We are working with UNT so that's something that will be 01:32:40.689 --> 01:32:42.359 brought up in our discussion. 01:32:42.359 --> 01:32:45.869 If you're taking away these accesses, what happens to some 01:32:45.869 --> 01:32:47.520 of the parking spaces that 01:32:47.520 --> 01:32:50.050 wouldn't be at-- I mean you wouldn't be able to get to 01:32:50.050 --> 01:32:51.359 those parking spaces. 01:32:51.359 --> 01:32:53.359 Do they go away? 01:32:53.359 --> 01:32:55.810 What about the handicapped spaces that come with those 01:32:55.810 --> 01:32:56.720 parking spaces? 01:32:56.720 --> 01:32:59.800 Definitely that's a question that will be asked. 01:32:59.800 --> 01:33:04.170 Yeah, so people don't have to go several blocks to access, 01:33:04.170 --> 01:33:05.119 you know. 01:33:05.119 --> 01:33:06.119 Correct. 01:33:06.119 --> 01:33:08.119 I'll just add, I mean there's a lot of campuses that have 01:33:08.119 --> 01:33:09.279 interior closed streets. 01:33:09.279 --> 01:33:10.279 It's actually pretty common. 01:33:10.279 --> 01:33:13.140 UT is a good example and they do have access for cars to 01:33:13.140 --> 01:33:14.840 get on campus for emergencies 01:33:14.840 --> 01:33:17.359 and then also I think they do have spots where cars can 01:33:17.359 --> 01:33:17.979 pull in. 01:33:17.979 --> 01:33:20.479 So I think there's solutions to that. 01:33:20.479 --> 01:33:23.340 The question for me is if UNT's campus has the density in 01:33:23.340 --> 01:33:24.680 the spots they want to do it 01:33:24.680 --> 01:33:27.079 is my question because most campuses when they have those 01:33:27.079 --> 01:33:28.399 roads, it's like really dense 01:33:28.399 --> 01:33:30.729 all around and UT has so many parking lots in between but 01:33:30.729 --> 01:33:32.279 maybe they're planning buildings 01:33:32.279 --> 01:33:33.279 for those. 01:33:33.279 --> 01:33:34.279 I don't know. 01:33:34.279 --> 01:33:39.039 Yeah, there's definitely a lot of campuses are going that 01:33:39.039 --> 01:33:40.279 direction. 01:33:40.279 --> 01:33:44.300 They want their campus more of a walking, biking area as 01:33:44.300 --> 01:33:46.539 opposed to allowing vehicles 01:33:46.539 --> 01:33:47.539 to interact. 01:33:47.539 --> 01:33:50.619 I think along Avenue C at Chestnut and some of these 01:33:50.619 --> 01:33:53.399 intersections there's a lot of pedestrians 01:33:53.399 --> 01:33:58.500 crossing so to begin with today, vehicle through traffic is 01:33:58.500 --> 01:34:01.720 very restricted in certain hours. 01:34:01.720 --> 01:34:03.819 It's hard to cross that intersection sometimes. 01:34:03.819 --> 01:34:07.279 So they're trying to make sure that students don't have to 01:34:07.279 --> 01:34:09.239 interact with vehicles so that 01:34:09.239 --> 01:34:11.000 they're safer. 01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:13.000 That's their long-term goal. 01:34:13.000 --> 01:34:16.229 And there are already been some other places on campus 01:34:16.229 --> 01:34:18.399 where there must have at some point 01:34:18.399 --> 01:34:20.840 been a through street but they've closed them. 01:34:20.840 --> 01:34:25.510 So long ago we don't know but like right behind my building 01:34:25.510 --> 01:34:28.159 over off Hickory behind the auditorium 01:34:28.159 --> 01:34:31.680 building, there are a number of handicapped spots there. 01:34:31.680 --> 01:34:37.550 There's some motorcycle parking back there but the ingress 01:34:37.550 --> 01:34:40.319 at that point off Fry Street 01:34:40.319 --> 01:34:44.890 looks like at some point was a full-on street coming into 01:34:44.890 --> 01:34:47.960 campus but they just kind of blocked 01:34:47.960 --> 01:34:50.960 stuff off but they left all the parking. 01:34:50.960 --> 01:34:54.550 So a lot of the, even in the old part of campus, there's a 01:34:54.550 --> 01:34:57.359 lot of handicapped parking internally. 01:34:57.359 --> 01:35:01.880 So near the back doors but again, it's still accessible. 01:35:01.880 --> 01:35:03.869 And when they make these changes, they tend to make a lot 01:35:03.869 --> 01:35:05.039 of improvements to pedestrian 01:35:05.039 --> 01:35:08.350 towns which can be really helpful for handicapped bicycles, 01:35:08.350 --> 01:35:09.319 pedestrians. 01:35:09.319 --> 01:35:14.119 I know we relieve a lot of complaints of students and staff 01:35:14.119 --> 01:35:16.079 on Hick, on Island. 01:35:16.079 --> 01:35:17.079 Yes. 01:35:17.079 --> 01:35:21.479 If you do something to, sorry, go ahead. 01:35:21.479 --> 01:35:23.000 We got the other chairman here. 01:35:23.000 --> 01:35:27.229 How is this going to work with the smaller airplane, Fry 01:35:27.229 --> 01:35:29.680 Street, or Oakgate, right? 01:35:29.680 --> 01:35:33.239 Well, you know. 01:35:33.239 --> 01:35:34.239 Huh? 01:35:34.239 --> 01:35:39.550 Well, we talked about this last week and in some ways, you 01:35:39.550 --> 01:35:42.479 know, we're always going to, 01:35:42.479 --> 01:35:46.000 we have to work in conjunction obviously with UNT but at 01:35:46.000 --> 01:35:48.760 that point, we got the same presentation 01:35:48.760 --> 01:35:52.479 last Thursday as we got today. 01:35:52.479 --> 01:35:57.449 So the city and UNT are still, you know, doing, running 01:35:57.449 --> 01:36:01.880 numbers, doing preliminary considerations. 01:36:01.880 --> 01:36:05.479 You see any major, you see any major red flags? 01:36:05.479 --> 01:36:07.359 I don't. 01:36:07.359 --> 01:36:12.789 I think a couple people on the steering committee may have 01:36:12.789 --> 01:36:16.159 had some concerns but I don't think 01:36:16.159 --> 01:36:19.359 it's anything we can't work out. 01:36:19.359 --> 01:36:24.770 All right, so this is the schedule we've already talked 01:36:24.770 --> 01:36:25.760 about. 01:36:25.760 --> 01:36:30.130 We're wrapping the draft report so we are still reviewing 01:36:30.130 --> 01:36:30.640 it. 01:36:30.640 --> 01:36:32.880 We have not commented it. 01:36:32.880 --> 01:36:36.739 We're in this phase and we should be wrapping the study 01:36:36.739 --> 01:36:39.680 soon and then folding it into the 01:36:39.680 --> 01:36:42.239 Oakgate way, specific plan. 01:36:42.239 --> 01:36:44.399 Any more questions? 01:36:44.399 --> 01:36:46.920 I think we're, last slide. 01:36:46.920 --> 01:36:47.920 Okay. 01:36:47.920 --> 01:36:50.640 Anything else on this? 01:36:50.640 --> 01:36:51.640 Okay. 01:36:51.640 --> 01:37:07.680 That then brings us to 1F, TSC 18-041 which is staff 01:37:07.680 --> 01:37:15.920 reports including the matrix. 01:37:15.920 --> 01:37:23.520 Let me get this open here. 01:37:23.520 --> 01:37:32.880 Okay. 01:37:32.880 --> 01:37:36.729 There are several items that were added starting from item 01:37:36.729 --> 01:37:38.720 number 9 that were added in the 01:37:38.720 --> 01:37:39.720 last meeting. 01:37:39.720 --> 01:37:40.720 Can you put it up there? 01:37:40.720 --> 01:37:41.720 Yeah, actually. 01:37:41.720 --> 01:37:42.720 I don't have a copy. 01:37:42.720 --> 01:37:49.720 Okay. 01:37:49.720 --> 01:38:13.039 So there we are. 01:38:13.039 --> 01:38:16.479 There are several items that have been discussed. 01:38:16.479 --> 01:38:20.340 They're old, I think some of them are really tied with 01:38:20.340 --> 01:38:22.720 other, like this one, the small 01:38:22.720 --> 01:38:23.720 area plan. 01:38:23.720 --> 01:38:27.819 They're tied with some of the other projects and ongoing 01:38:27.819 --> 01:38:30.239 things within the community. 01:38:30.239 --> 01:38:34.439 Old North University, this issue has been resolved. 01:38:34.439 --> 01:38:37.909 The intersection, we've implemented northbound and south 01:38:37.909 --> 01:38:39.439 bound left turn lanes. 01:38:39.439 --> 01:38:43.909 So now there is a clear distinction when people approach in 01:38:43.909 --> 01:38:46.359 north and south direction that 01:38:46.359 --> 01:38:49.300 they're not confused whether someone's going through the 01:38:49.300 --> 01:38:51.000 intersection straight or making 01:38:51.000 --> 01:38:52.600 a left or making a right. 01:38:52.600 --> 01:38:55.920 So it is helping this intersection. 01:38:55.920 --> 01:38:56.920 We're still monitoring. 01:38:56.920 --> 01:39:02.399 We wrapped this up a couple weeks ago, I think. 01:39:02.399 --> 01:39:05.600 Old Alton, students walking without sidewalk. 01:39:05.600 --> 01:39:14.800 TechStat has, it is a current work zone along FM 2181 and 01:39:14.800 --> 01:39:19.279 TechStat through Denton ISD is 01:39:19.279 --> 01:39:21.880 working on creating a solution. 01:39:21.880 --> 01:39:26.390 I think this one, they're using a parking lot that is south 01:39:26.390 --> 01:39:29.079 of 2181 and students are 01:39:29.079 --> 01:39:31.020 parking there and actually crossing. 01:39:31.020 --> 01:39:34.890 So we worked with TechStat to put in a pedestrian signal at 01:39:34.890 --> 01:39:37.319 Old Alton so that kids can actually 01:39:37.319 --> 01:39:38.319 cross. 01:39:38.319 --> 01:39:39.479 There was no signal. 01:39:39.479 --> 01:39:40.479 They were unprotected. 01:39:40.479 --> 01:39:43.399 They could not cross. 01:39:43.399 --> 01:39:46.350 I think PD was helping us out when the signal didn't exist 01:39:46.350 --> 01:39:48.199 and now that the signal is there, 01:39:48.199 --> 01:39:51.149 they can actually push the button, get a pedestrian signal 01:39:51.149 --> 01:39:52.039 and go across. 01:39:52.039 --> 01:39:55.170 So that's something that we're, so slowly we're working 01:39:55.170 --> 01:39:56.760 through this list as things 01:39:56.760 --> 01:39:59.239 move forward. 01:39:59.239 --> 01:40:02.079 Mingo Road, this is ongoing. 01:40:02.079 --> 01:40:05.930 We're working with TWU, how we can better use their 01:40:05.930 --> 01:40:07.800 existing golf course. 01:40:07.800 --> 01:40:11.279 Pats, some of them are permanent concrete paths. 01:40:11.279 --> 01:40:12.760 How can we connect to those? 01:40:12.760 --> 01:40:16.609 So that would be something that would be an interim fix 01:40:16.609 --> 01:40:18.640 until we design and build Mingo 01:40:18.640 --> 01:40:21.779 with sidewalks. 01:40:21.779 --> 01:40:24.619 This is another short term. 01:40:24.619 --> 01:40:29.180 This is another project related to the small area plan, 01:40:29.180 --> 01:40:32.239 Fort Worth at Collins, left turns. 01:40:32.239 --> 01:40:35.439 So once that plan is implemented, we have an implementation 01:40:35.439 --> 01:40:35.720 . 01:40:35.720 --> 01:40:38.180 We looked at this intersection as part of our traffic 01:40:38.180 --> 01:40:39.640 impact study and I think one of 01:40:39.640 --> 01:40:43.529 the mitigations is to put those left turns onto Fort Worth 01:40:43.529 --> 01:40:44.239 Drive. 01:40:44.239 --> 01:40:48.000 So yes, at some point once we get the funding identified. 01:40:48.000 --> 01:40:51.880 So a lot of these are either on the way or on our list to 01:40:51.880 --> 01:40:53.239 be completed. 01:40:53.239 --> 01:40:58.550 We added a bunch more starting with item nine and yeah, we 01:40:58.550 --> 01:41:01.399 haven't really had a chance to 01:41:01.399 --> 01:41:02.399 look at it. 01:41:02.399 --> 01:41:03.399 I'd like to clarify that one. 01:41:03.399 --> 01:41:06.619 It really is not, it would benefit pedestrians, but I'm 01:41:06.619 --> 01:41:08.500 thinking more of motorists. 01:41:08.500 --> 01:41:11.439 Is there approaching South Hunterdale, is there approaching 01:41:11.439 --> 01:41:11.920 Mingo? 01:41:11.920 --> 01:41:17.090 If you're going to make a left turn, the way the, you've 01:41:17.090 --> 01:41:19.439 got the poles and then you got 01:41:19.439 --> 01:41:22.939 the fencing right there and the fencing angles and it's 01:41:22.939 --> 01:41:25.239 difficult to see oncoming traffic 01:41:25.239 --> 01:41:28.439 until you have to pull it way forward. 01:41:28.439 --> 01:41:32.600 So that would tie into our discussion at TWA. 01:41:32.600 --> 01:41:34.000 That could be folded. 01:41:34.000 --> 01:41:36.399 Just fold that one into that and take that one out. 01:41:36.399 --> 01:41:39.479 I think part of the discussion is to take that fence 01:41:39.479 --> 01:41:41.600 completely out so that it becomes 01:41:41.600 --> 01:41:43.600 an open area for public. 01:41:43.600 --> 01:41:47.659 There are some concerns by, safety concerns by PD there, 01:41:47.659 --> 01:41:50.039 but we're still working through 01:41:50.039 --> 01:41:52.239 that, but that fencing will be in that discussion. 01:41:52.239 --> 01:41:54.800 Yeah, I was just thinking fencing is a nice quick, easy 01:41:54.800 --> 01:41:56.380 thing that could be done as these 01:41:56.380 --> 01:41:58.760 others are being worked on. 01:41:58.760 --> 01:41:59.760 Okay. 01:41:59.760 --> 01:42:01.880 And then we are looking into that. 01:42:01.880 --> 01:42:07.119 I think I had a, stop signs are for yield for bicyclists. 01:42:07.119 --> 01:42:09.159 We had a discussion with our bike pet coordinator. 01:42:09.159 --> 01:42:11.659 He'll bring an item soon forward. 01:42:11.659 --> 01:42:15.520 So we'll see what are the options and explore the options 01:42:15.520 --> 01:42:17.720 or provide more information as 01:42:17.720 --> 01:42:20.119 part of a next agenda item. 01:42:20.119 --> 01:42:21.119 Yes. 01:42:21.119 --> 01:42:24.060 Can I, I don't know anything about that since I wasn't here 01:42:24.060 --> 01:42:24.520 last. 01:42:24.520 --> 01:42:25.699 What is that about? 01:42:25.699 --> 01:42:29.350 So this particular is, there is something called Idaho stop 01:42:29.350 --> 01:42:31.000 , which means in the state 01:42:31.000 --> 01:42:35.250 of Idaho, bicyclists can actually use a stop sign as a 01:42:35.250 --> 01:42:36.439 yield sign. 01:42:36.439 --> 01:42:38.880 So when they're approaching an intersection, they see that 01:42:38.880 --> 01:42:40.119 there's no one, they can go 01:42:40.119 --> 01:42:42.039 through the intersection by slowing down. 01:42:42.039 --> 01:42:43.039 Okay. 01:42:43.039 --> 01:42:44.319 Rest of the states don't have that. 01:42:44.319 --> 01:42:47.520 You have to have complete stop for bicycles. 01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:50.199 I thought there's no other states that have adopted it. 01:42:50.199 --> 01:42:52.720 I thought, I thought quite a few states have adopted it. 01:42:52.720 --> 01:42:55.319 I don't believe, but we'll look into that. 01:42:55.319 --> 01:42:57.779 That's exactly the information that our bike pet 01:42:57.779 --> 01:42:59.600 coordinator will bring forward. 01:42:59.600 --> 01:43:00.600 Cool. 01:43:00.600 --> 01:43:05.880 And would agendize that particular item. 01:43:05.880 --> 01:43:07.600 Temporary improvements to Hickory. 01:43:07.600 --> 01:43:11.319 Yes, we're working on the project. 01:43:11.319 --> 01:43:17.640 So you say temporary for temporary bike lanes. 01:43:17.640 --> 01:43:18.640 Okay. 01:43:18.640 --> 01:43:22.000 Any more, we can start writing them down. 01:43:22.000 --> 01:43:23.000 Yeah. 01:43:23.000 --> 01:43:26.460 So Melissa, this is a point where, you know, since the 01:43:26.460 --> 01:43:28.560 commission is also like the eyes 01:43:28.560 --> 01:43:31.199 on the street and you talk to people. 01:43:31.199 --> 01:43:36.279 So if you are running into yourself little places where you 01:43:36.279 --> 01:43:39.680 're realizing pedestrian safety, 01:43:39.680 --> 01:43:43.239 bike safety, anything like that could be improved. 01:43:43.239 --> 01:43:45.560 You can bring that and put that on the matrix. 01:43:45.560 --> 01:43:49.170 If somebody talks to you and says, oh, I see this at this 01:43:49.170 --> 01:43:51.239 time of the day, you can bring 01:43:51.239 --> 01:43:52.239 that. 01:43:52.239 --> 01:43:56.270 A lot of these little things, you know, they are definitely 01:43:56.270 --> 01:43:57.520 more granular. 01:43:57.520 --> 01:44:00.909 Many staff isn't out there in the streets as much as we are 01:44:00.909 --> 01:44:01.199 . 01:44:01.199 --> 01:44:04.079 And so, well, sometimes they are. 01:44:04.079 --> 01:44:09.159 But a lot of these things are really super quick fixes. 01:44:09.159 --> 01:44:13.560 Some of them are paint and some signage and a lot of the, 01:44:13.560 --> 01:44:15.760 but you can bring things in 01:44:15.760 --> 01:44:16.760 and put them on the matrix. 01:44:16.760 --> 01:44:20.279 Well, I was going to say, can I, may I? 01:44:20.279 --> 01:44:24.869 So I talked to somebody tonight who is a teacher over at UN 01:44:24.869 --> 01:44:25.359 T. 01:44:25.359 --> 01:44:30.979 And his comment to me was that on Welch, and I had him, I 01:44:30.979 --> 01:44:33.039 had this with me. 01:44:33.039 --> 01:44:37.239 On Welch he says going, where is it? 01:44:37.239 --> 01:44:42.199 I have to find it now. 01:44:42.199 --> 01:44:48.239 So I guess it's Welch and over by the Union. 01:44:48.239 --> 01:44:54.739 When you, when you are going, that would be east and then, 01:44:54.739 --> 01:44:57.479 wait, is that right? 01:44:57.479 --> 01:44:58.479 Welch goes north-south. 01:44:58.479 --> 01:45:02.329 Okay, when you, there is a road that runs into Welch that 01:45:02.329 --> 01:45:03.640 goes east and west. 01:45:03.640 --> 01:45:07.779 When you go east on it to hit Welch and then you go up Wel 01:45:07.779 --> 01:45:10.319 ch, he says that there is, it's 01:45:10.319 --> 01:45:14.880 like three lanes and there is poor signage. 01:45:14.880 --> 01:45:19.340 And he's seen multiple times where people don't know which 01:45:19.340 --> 01:45:21.439 way they are going because 01:45:21.439 --> 01:45:22.920 the roads aren't marked well. 01:45:22.920 --> 01:45:25.119 There's not like a dotted line for the turn. 01:45:25.119 --> 01:45:26.760 And that was just tonight. 01:45:26.760 --> 01:45:30.380 He said he had did a whole presentation on it in front of 01:45:30.380 --> 01:45:32.000 the Student Senate. 01:45:32.000 --> 01:45:33.840 I can have him bring it. 01:45:33.840 --> 01:45:36.079 I can have him give it to me if I need, you know. 01:45:36.079 --> 01:45:38.159 Yeah, it would be helpful if we can provide more 01:45:38.159 --> 01:45:39.560 information on the exact location. 01:45:39.560 --> 01:45:40.560 And just bring it up next time. 01:45:40.560 --> 01:45:41.560 Yeah, that would be helpful. 01:45:41.560 --> 01:45:42.560 Okay, I can do that. 01:45:42.560 --> 01:45:43.560 Okay. 01:45:43.560 --> 01:45:44.560 Any more? 01:45:44.560 --> 01:45:54.250 I'd like to add, as I talked to you earlier, that I'd like 01:45:54.250 --> 01:45:59.239 us to look at maybe quarterly 01:45:59.239 --> 01:46:03.090 receive reports from the police department on accidents, 01:46:03.090 --> 01:46:06.199 pedestrian, motor vehicle, bicycle. 01:46:06.199 --> 01:46:09.329 So we can, there may not be anything we can do about them, 01:46:09.329 --> 01:46:10.920 but at least some education 01:46:10.920 --> 01:46:13.840 for us and maybe for the citizens. 01:46:13.840 --> 01:46:14.840 Okay. 01:46:14.840 --> 01:46:19.250 I know if there's any causes we can determine that there's 01:46:19.250 --> 01:46:21.640 anything we can impact, you know. 01:46:21.640 --> 01:46:24.000 We just need the data. 01:46:24.000 --> 01:46:26.760 We need the data to be able to do something. 01:46:26.760 --> 01:46:27.760 I would agree. 01:46:27.760 --> 01:46:31.010 I mean, I, as a, because I am a bike commuter, there are 01:46:31.010 --> 01:46:33.000 many times I see people do things 01:46:33.000 --> 01:46:35.840 and I'm like, why are you doing that? 01:46:35.840 --> 01:46:38.479 You're just making, you're going to get hurt. 01:46:38.479 --> 01:46:41.079 So I think, you know, how can we educate? 01:46:41.079 --> 01:46:44.689 Like if you know what's happening, then is there a way we 01:46:44.689 --> 01:46:46.239 can educate people? 01:46:46.239 --> 01:46:47.239 Okay. 01:46:47.239 --> 01:46:52.960 Anybody have anything else for the matrix? 01:46:52.960 --> 01:46:56.279 I do have one, and this maybe doesn't need to go. 01:46:56.279 --> 01:46:57.279 I don't know, just a quick question. 01:46:57.279 --> 01:47:00.369 So I was just thinking about those alleyways on, between 01:47:00.369 --> 01:47:02.199 Locust and Elm, you know, that 01:47:02.199 --> 01:47:06.479 have businesses along both Walnut and Mulberry. 01:47:06.479 --> 01:47:10.359 You guys are familiar, so Mulberry has several businesses 01:47:10.359 --> 01:47:12.520 on it, including what's the nice, 01:47:12.520 --> 01:47:16.279 there's a nice restaurant there that everybody goes to. 01:47:16.279 --> 01:47:18.239 It's right across from Mulberry Street Cantina. 01:47:18.239 --> 01:47:19.239 Oh, okay. 01:47:19.239 --> 01:47:20.239 That is Mulberry. 01:47:20.239 --> 01:47:23.640 So those two alleyways, one side, yeah, Hannah's. 01:47:23.640 --> 01:47:25.960 And so on one side you have a sidewalk, but it tends to, 01:47:25.960 --> 01:47:27.359 whenever I've walked through 01:47:27.359 --> 01:47:29.079 that area and gone through that area, people on the other 01:47:29.079 --> 01:47:30.079 side don't make their way over 01:47:30.079 --> 01:47:32.199 to the sidewalk and we kind of just have cars parking on 01:47:32.199 --> 01:47:32.760 the side. 01:47:32.760 --> 01:47:36.130 I wonder if there's just a temporary, an easy solution 01:47:36.130 --> 01:47:38.680 where we could make lines that created 01:47:38.680 --> 01:47:39.680 a sidewalk there. 01:47:39.680 --> 01:47:40.680 I don't know what it is. 01:47:40.680 --> 01:47:42.239 So it's mainly on the north side. 01:47:42.239 --> 01:47:44.000 I think the south side is fine. 01:47:44.000 --> 01:47:45.819 But people tend to just walk in the street and then cars 01:47:45.819 --> 01:47:46.640 are coming around. 01:47:46.640 --> 01:47:48.560 It's also next to a lot of bars. 01:47:48.560 --> 01:47:50.960 So there could be an easy solution. 01:47:50.960 --> 01:47:51.960 I don't know. 01:47:51.960 --> 01:47:55.189 It would be helpful if you send me a street view showing 01:47:55.189 --> 01:47:57.079 the parking area, because we 01:47:57.079 --> 01:48:01.619 received a similar complaint at the intersection of Elm and 01:48:01.619 --> 01:48:05.119 Mulberry on the south side of Mulberry. 01:48:05.119 --> 01:48:09.489 And there were parallel parked cars near this property, 01:48:09.489 --> 01:48:12.800 near this building that almost encroached 01:48:12.800 --> 01:48:14.520 into the sidewalk. 01:48:14.520 --> 01:48:17.880 And all we did is we definitely re-striped the sidewalk, 01:48:17.880 --> 01:48:19.640 delineated better, and then 01:48:19.640 --> 01:48:21.840 the cars were pushed out in the street. 01:48:21.840 --> 01:48:25.840 Well, on Mulberry, I mean on the north side, there's not a 01:48:25.840 --> 01:48:27.800 clear sidewalk anywhere. 01:48:27.800 --> 01:48:31.000 There's ramps coming out from several of the buildings. 01:48:31.000 --> 01:48:33.510 And then you just have cars and dumpsters taking up the 01:48:33.510 --> 01:48:34.560 rest of the space. 01:48:34.560 --> 01:48:38.130 So people just walk in the street pretty much whenever they 01:48:38.130 --> 01:48:39.560 're going through. 01:48:39.560 --> 01:48:41.439 But it seems like there's room there. 01:48:41.439 --> 01:48:43.449 It just seems like when you clear a direction on where cars 01:48:43.449 --> 01:48:43.800 park. 01:48:43.800 --> 01:48:47.989 Like if we had a line for parallel parking, then maybe that 01:48:47.989 --> 01:48:50.079 space between would just be 01:48:50.079 --> 01:48:51.079 pedestrian. 01:48:51.079 --> 01:48:54.079 So I've got it up right now. 01:48:54.079 --> 01:48:56.319 I don't know if that's helpful. 01:48:56.319 --> 01:48:57.319 I could show you after. 01:48:57.319 --> 01:48:59.989 But I don't know what the actual answer is, because it's 01:48:59.989 --> 01:49:01.239 kind of a weird space. 01:49:01.239 --> 01:49:04.109 Yeah, well, we'll have to really take a look at it of what 01:49:04.109 --> 01:49:05.159 exactly we can do. 01:49:05.159 --> 01:49:10.130 We can't have a walking space within the parking and the 01:49:10.130 --> 01:49:11.680 actual street. 01:49:11.680 --> 01:49:14.079 So we'll have to see how we can-- 01:49:14.079 --> 01:49:15.079 OK, we got you. 01:49:15.079 --> 01:49:16.079 We can stripe it. 01:49:16.079 --> 01:49:17.079 We can make a better use of that area. 01:49:17.079 --> 01:49:21.279 At that corner, there is not a curb, is there? 01:49:21.279 --> 01:49:23.359 Is it still-- 01:49:23.359 --> 01:49:25.479 On the north side? 01:49:25.479 --> 01:49:27.720 On the south side of that intersection? 01:49:27.720 --> 01:49:31.640 Because that used to be an old Greyhound bus depot. 01:49:31.640 --> 01:49:32.640 Which building? 01:49:32.640 --> 01:49:33.640 On the other side? 01:49:33.640 --> 01:49:34.640 Yeah, on the south-- 01:49:34.640 --> 01:49:35.640 The Trophy Shop? 01:49:35.640 --> 01:49:36.640 Yeah, where the Trophy Shop. 01:49:36.640 --> 01:49:39.319 Yeah, so is there a curb that has been built there now? 01:49:39.319 --> 01:49:41.359 No, yeah, that's a whole weird corner, too. 01:49:41.359 --> 01:49:44.729 And obviously, because there's nothing there, people can 01:49:44.729 --> 01:49:46.640 also swoop around the corner into 01:49:46.640 --> 01:49:49.399 a little alley where people are walking. 01:49:49.399 --> 01:49:51.159 That is actually a very good point. 01:49:51.159 --> 01:49:54.260 So just clear-- just clarifying where people are supposed 01:49:54.260 --> 01:49:55.960 to be, there's no lines anywhere. 01:49:55.960 --> 01:49:58.760 Yeah, is that part of the MUSE project, then? 01:49:58.760 --> 01:49:59.760 Well, it is. 01:49:59.760 --> 01:50:01.960 Mulberry is not, so-- 01:50:01.960 --> 01:50:02.960 OK. 01:50:02.960 --> 01:50:06.159 Oh, OK. 01:50:06.159 --> 01:50:09.600 So we can look at specifically Mulberry and see. 01:50:09.600 --> 01:50:10.600 OK, great. 01:50:10.600 --> 01:50:14.199 What is the MUSE project? 01:50:14.199 --> 01:50:20.670 The city is looking at doing some traffic calming and some 01:50:20.670 --> 01:50:24.439 work on what used to be the alleyways 01:50:24.439 --> 01:50:28.039 behind Locust and Elm Street. 01:50:28.039 --> 01:50:32.439 So these are the streets we're talking about. 01:50:32.439 --> 01:50:34.720 Austin and then Walnut. 01:50:34.720 --> 01:50:37.720 I think they've worked on Cedar quite a bit. 01:50:37.720 --> 01:50:40.800 Cedar is completely updated, but we're looking-- focusing 01:50:40.800 --> 01:50:42.439 on these three streets as part of 01:50:42.439 --> 01:50:45.439 the MUSE. 01:50:45.439 --> 01:50:46.439 OK. 01:50:46.439 --> 01:50:50.800 OK, does anybody have anything else? 01:50:50.800 --> 01:50:54.600 All right. 01:50:54.600 --> 01:50:57.600 Do we have a motion to adjourn? 01:50:57.600 --> 01:51:00.600 I motion to re-adjourn. 01:51:00.600 --> 01:51:01.600 OK. 01:51:01.600 --> 01:51:02.600 Everyone in favor? 01:51:02.600 --> 01:51:03.600 Yes. 01:51:03.600 --> 01:51:04.600 Aye. 01:51:04.600 --> 01:51:05.600 OK, I agree. 01:51:05.600 --> 01:51:06.600 Unanimous. 01:51:06.600 --> 01:51:07.600 OK. 01:51:07.600 --> 01:51:07.600 Thank you all.